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Pirates sign Ryan O’Hearn, Mets ship Jeff McNeil to Sacramento · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Here come the buckos. Two years, twenty nine million dollars
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  Speaker 1: for Ryan O'Hearn. The Pittsburgh Pirates keep working on what
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  Speaker 1: was a brutal offense in twenty twenty five, and they're
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  Speaker 1: doing it. They're making moves right now. This contract also
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  Speaker 1: includes five hundred thousand dollars in performance bonuses in each
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  Speaker 1: season for O'Hearn. Good job by FT insider Robert Murray
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  Speaker 1: on that case. Okay, KP Brandon Lao was just acquired
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  Speaker 1: by this team, and on our show yesterday they potentially
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  Speaker 1: had a thirty home run pop and a veteran. They
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  Speaker 1: have the top prospect in the sport in Connor Griffin.
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  Speaker 1: According to Baseball America, he should be ready at some
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  Speaker 1: point this season. Now. They added Ryan O'Hearn, who's consistently
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  Speaker 1: been a very very solid bat, above average bat in
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  Speaker 1: baseball over the last few years, and the glove was
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  Speaker 1: better than ever this past season, so you can get
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  Speaker 1: some first space time out of him. What do we
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  Speaker 1: think about the Pirates heading into twenty twenty six? Are
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  Speaker 1: they at a potential playoff contender level yet?
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  Speaker 2: Before I answered that question, all I could think about
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  Speaker 2: when that news came out and I saw on our
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  Speaker 2: message breaking news. I didn't want to peak see what
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  Speaker 2: it was. I wanted to be surprised. But the streak
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  Speaker 2: is over the first multi year deal since Ivon Nova
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  Speaker 2: and what year was.
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  Speaker 4: At twenty seventeen? Sixteen for Pirates twenty sixteen. The Pirates
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  Speaker 4: have done it.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to give them a round of applause
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  Speaker 2: for signing someone up for more than one year. Would
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  Speaker 2: have never thought it was going to be Ryan O'Hearn,
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  Speaker 2: but good for them. You know, we talk about another
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  Speaker 2: guy who you know, came up, struggled a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of bounced around, found a home in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 2: kind of really turned his career around.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately they got traded at the deadline. But I love
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  Speaker 2: seeing stories like this. I love seeing guys that kind
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  Speaker 2: of on topic with what we were just talking about,
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  Speaker 2: that can improve, that can make themselves.
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  Speaker 4: Better baseball players.
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  Speaker 2: But to answer your question, I think the Pirates are
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  Speaker 2: doing something. I think they're doing something. I think their
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  Speaker 2: offense is much improved with some of the additions that
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  Speaker 2: they have done. I think they'll be able to go
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  Speaker 2: out and play good defense. I think they got a
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  Speaker 2: great leader, and obviously their pitching staff is legit. I
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  Speaker 2: think they need a little bit more help at the
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  Speaker 2: back of their bullpen, and I think they can make
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  Speaker 2: some noise in that division.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: First thing that called me up, Pirates so I always
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  Speaker 3: have a place and they always have a place in
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  Speaker 3: my heart. They've gone through a lot of things. Scott,
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  Speaker 3: you asked, is this enough yet? I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: think they had the after the the second half last year.
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  Speaker 3: I think they had the sixth best defense. Everybody knows
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  Speaker 3: what they're bringing with the starting rotation. You want a
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  Speaker 3: healthy year out of Jared Jones, you want a full
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  Speaker 3: year out of some of their prospects. You got Harrington,
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  Speaker 3: you have guys coming up, obviously, have Paul Skins. And
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  Speaker 3: to me is the question is if you think they're
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  Speaker 3: a playoff team in the NL Central, if they have
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  Speaker 3: enough to make the playoffs because of the Ryan o'hearns signing,
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  Speaker 3: all you have to do is look in the AL
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  Speaker 3: Central and say, are the Pirates better than what the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers were two years ago? And if you believe that,
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  Speaker 3: because you have the other best pitcher in the game,
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers had Terror scruball the Pirates have Paul Skins.
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  Speaker 3: If you believe that this lineup is better than the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers lineup, then you have to believe, even though the
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  Speaker 3: National League is tougher, they still play in NL Central,
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  Speaker 3: that the Pirates have a chance to make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: And I think Ryan O'Hearn's signing is amazing. I think
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  Speaker 3: he is a prime example of what we talked about.
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  Speaker 3: These are the Royals. He didn't play much. He was
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  Speaker 3: shuttled up and down from Triple A. When he was
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  Speaker 3: up in the big leagues, he'd get a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a stint and then you know it didn't work out. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna face We're gonna you're gonna face righties. Salve's
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  Speaker 3: gonna still catch. And then days when it's lefties, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna have someone else play first base. Salvi's gonna
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  Speaker 3: play first so we can have more of a right
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  Speaker 3: handed lineup. He went to Baltimore, he kind of emerged.
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  Speaker 3: He got about three hundred and fifty at bats, and
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  Speaker 3: then he got four hundred some at bats, and then
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  Speaker 3: last year he gets five hundred. And he's always had
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  Speaker 3: above an eight an eight hundred slugging percentage and a
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  Speaker 3: plus ops. So, to me, is the good signing for
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  Speaker 3: a guy that needs to and will play every day
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  Speaker 3: for the Pirates.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna sound ridiculous, but it's not. You know
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  Speaker 1: how you sometimes say players like diet whatever or so
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  Speaker 1: and so light. It's almost like take big poppy as
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  Speaker 1: coke and then it's like coke zero is Ryan O'Hearn
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  Speaker 1: copy didn't get much beat with Minnesota in the Midwest
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  Speaker 1: moves over to the Red Sox obviously was more of
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  Speaker 1: like a you know, one sixty ish showps plus guy
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  Speaker 1: on average, and O'Hearn's more of like a one thirty ish.
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  Speaker 1: But my point is Ryan O'Hearn has been a consistently
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  Speaker 1: awesome bat, like all star level with his bat here.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at the roster real quick for the
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  Speaker 1: Pirates because when we entered the off season, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: they have to replace I would say five or six spots.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to give one spot to the
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  Speaker 1: top prospect in the sport, that's fine. But still Ryan
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  Speaker 1: O'Hearn immediately enters the lineup as their best hitter. He's
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  Speaker 1: the best hitter in the lineup, right, Isn't he gonna
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  Speaker 1: hit three or four for them?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know who they had who they had hitting forth?
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  Speaker 3: And I say this all the time. I went to
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  Speaker 3: a game in April, you know who their fourth hitter
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  Speaker 3: was behind Brian Reynolds. Because people are gonna be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: Brian Reynolds, he had a terrible year. You know who
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  Speaker 3: was hitting behind him? He Manuel Valdez was hitting fourth. Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: it's a big league player. It's not a four hitter.
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  Speaker 3: I batted behind Edwin er Canassio, and I hit fourth
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  Speaker 3: one time in my career hitting behind Eddie. I should
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  Speaker 3: never hit behind Edwin and conossion. Emmanuel Valdez should never
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  Speaker 3: be a big league team's fourth hitter. And now they
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  Speaker 3: have a legitimate person that to me, this is a
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  Speaker 3: signing that raises that raises all ships. This is a
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  Speaker 3: signing that helps maybe O'Neil Cruz take that next step.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's a big time underachiever. I
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  Speaker 3: think he needs to take that next step where his
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  Speaker 3: talent and his as Andrew McCutchen called him, the avatar,
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  Speaker 3: takes that next step. Well, how's he supposed to take
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  Speaker 3: the next step if everybody's if everybody's attacking him like
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  Speaker 3: he's the superstar in the lineup, How's Brian Reynolds supposed
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  Speaker 3: to use his elite power from both sides of the plate,
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  Speaker 3: if everybody's attacking him like he's the best hitter in
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  Speaker 3: the lineup. This takes a little bit of pressure off
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  Speaker 3: those guys and maybe helps them take that next step.
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  Speaker 2: I think it makes it more attractive for other players
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  Speaker 2: to want to go there now too. You're talking about
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  Speaker 2: kind of raising the bottom up. You know, we talked
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  Speaker 2: about this before Thanksgiving, and I know it's McCutcheon's job
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  Speaker 2: until he doesn't want anymore. But I think a guy
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  Speaker 2: like Marcelo Zuno would fit so good in this lineup.
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  Speaker 2: Brandon laut also just recently traded over there too. Brian Reynolds,
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  Speaker 2: I know, is a switch hitter, O'Neil Cruz, switch hitter
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  Speaker 2: Ryan o'haran left handed. Feels like they need a right
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  Speaker 2: handed back kind of in the middle of that. And
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  Speaker 2: I think Marcelo Zuno talk about, you know, making players
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  Speaker 2: better around him, like an O'Neal Cruz and as you know, Cratzy.
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  Speaker 2: It's a real thing Latino to Latino, like they just
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  Speaker 2: there's a comfort level there, there's a communication that it's
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  Speaker 2: just hard. You know, they've come from the same place
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  Speaker 2: as they've been through the same things. Marcelo Zuna is
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  Speaker 2: a legendary figure when it comes to Dominican players, Like
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  Speaker 2: it's such a voice that O'Neil Cruz can listen to.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, going out and making a
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  Speaker 2: signing like this is making it more attractive for players
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  Speaker 2: who maybe only need only commanding a one year deal,
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  Speaker 2: maybe coming off a bounce back year to kind of
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  Speaker 2: see the future could kind of be here now they
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  Speaker 2: have an opportunity to win. You think about the division
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  Speaker 2: they play, and obviously the Milwaukee Brewers are still there,
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  Speaker 2: the Chicago Cubs are there, but after that it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of you know, anyone's division. And you know, when you
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  Speaker 2: look at lineup the way the lineups are constructed, name
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  Speaker 2: for name, you know, I know the Milwaukee Brewers went
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  Speaker 2: out and won, you know, ninety some games, best record
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  Speaker 2: in the National League. But I don't think the names
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  Speaker 2: on the paper throughout the performance, the names on the
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  Speaker 2: paper are not that much different when you compare these
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  Speaker 2: two teams.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, Hey Cubs fans too, look out here, come
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  Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh Pirates. Yeah. You look on paper at your
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  Speaker 1: a zoom idea and you're like, oh, is there room
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  Speaker 1: for all of them? But it is true. You're getting
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  Speaker 1: ready bat. I mean, first base DH right now is
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  Speaker 1: probably a Spencer Horowitz, Ryan o'hearnshuffle. They're both lefties. I
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  Speaker 1: know they like both of those guys. They're both lefties.
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  Speaker 1: So yead Azuna, you give yourself a little more depth
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  Speaker 1: and flexibility with the lineup. They acquired the password, remember
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  Speaker 1: from the Red Sox. That's another righty bat to be
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  Speaker 1: able to at least handle lefties, if not more. Heading
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  Speaker 1: into this season, Law is positioned at second base every day.
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  Speaker 1: I know Reynolds is coming off a down year, but
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  Speaker 1: he's still a productive player. He should play every day shortstops,
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  Speaker 1: where hopefully Connor Griffin emerges. Nick Gonzales can probably hold
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  Speaker 1: it down for now, O'Neil Cruz in center field. They
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  Speaker 1: have some work to do over at third base. Two.
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  Speaker 1: Who's playing third right now? It's Gared Triolo, maybe Gino Suarez?
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  Speaker 1: What about Geno Suarez.
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  Speaker 3: One year deal when everyone else is and everyone else
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  Speaker 3: has gone home and taking their ball and gone home. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: that would be I really think the Pirates have done here.
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  Speaker 3: I really think they have done it, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that they need it. Are you hitting Asuarez? But
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  Speaker 3: it definitely doesn't hurt. He knows the division, he knows
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  Speaker 3: they know him. In the division because he's killed him
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  Speaker 3: for years with the Reds. Like to me, I think
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  Speaker 3: that that would be an amazing signing, but got to
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  Speaker 3: give We got to give credit where credit's due and
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  Speaker 3: the pirates with this. To me, you don't make this
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  Speaker 3: deal without saying Connor Griffins are Connor Griffins are starting
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  Speaker 3: shortstop in the big leagues next year. Nothing against Nick Gonzalez,
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  Speaker 3: but what Conor Griffin's done. You can bring him into
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  Speaker 3: a situation where now you have veteran Brian Reynolds, you
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  Speaker 3: have veteran Brandon Lao, you have veteran Ryan O'Hearn. All
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  Speaker 3: guys that I know are stand up dudes. Joey bart
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  Speaker 3: is going to be your catcher. He's been a prospect
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  Speaker 3: to bust. So maybe they can, you know, have conversations
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  Speaker 3: about how, hey, you know what as a rookie, it
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  Speaker 3: didn't work out for me with the Giants. I can
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  Speaker 3: kind of help you through this. To me, they're giving
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  Speaker 3: him a soft landing spot for a guy who will
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  Speaker 3: probably never have a soft landing spot because you're the
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  Speaker 3: number one prospects in baseball and his mental makeups there.
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  Speaker 3: To me, I think we called d k up Don
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  Speaker 3: Kelly and say push for this man, kind of similar
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  Speaker 3: to how the Padres in twenty nineteen with the Eric
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  Speaker 3: Hosmer Manny Machado, those guys pushed for Fernando Tatist to
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  Speaker 3: make the team out of spring training. I think that
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  Speaker 3: is a huge, huge piece. And the Pirates have done
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  Speaker 3: an amazing job without giving out you know, the one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million to a Kyle Schwarber in these cases.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they did make an attempt there, but now they're
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  Speaker 1: able to spread that money out amongst what could be
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  Speaker 1: maybe a couple other players that entered the mix here
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  Speaker 1: for the Pirates.
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  Speaker 2: Luis Rinfo, who when I was with him in twenty year,
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  Speaker 2: had a really good year. He had a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a down year last year. To play third base. Wichitter,
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  Speaker 2: you know, proven hitter could hit kind of towards the
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  Speaker 2: top of lineup, bottom lineup, ability to steal bases, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're talking about one year deals kind of
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  Speaker 2: you know, give him eight ten million bucks to kind
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  Speaker 2: of just go out there play third base every day
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  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, allow him to re up his value.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning between two thoy twenty two and twenty four two
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  Speaker 2: seventy three, you know, one to eleven WRC plus only
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  Speaker 2: struck out sixteen percent of the times. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're in I don't think they were
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  Speaker 2: in position to go out and sign a you know,
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  Speaker 2: surez because I don't think Swors has taken a one
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  Speaker 2: year deal. I think, I mean, what he hit over
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  Speaker 2: fifty homers last year, he's not taking a one.
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  Speaker 1: Year Yeah, but he wasn't KP. He's not as valued
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  Speaker 1: amongst the front offices, and I think the trade deadline
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  Speaker 1: showed that, you know, a lot of front offices almost
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  Speaker 1: looked at that as I don't want, say a fluke,
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  Speaker 1: but something that's not going to be repeated.
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine if one year deals were out there,
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  Speaker 2: if one year deals were out there for him, I
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  Speaker 2: would see Seattle as more of a fit for him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's obviously sure beloved there, went back there.
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  Speaker 2: If all things are equal, I mean, Seattle's in a
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  Speaker 2: much different position than the Pittsburgh Pirates are in terms
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  Speaker 2: of winning right now. But you know, I think to
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  Speaker 2: Crass's point, if you just have slight upgrades at all
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  Speaker 2: these positions, it kind of raises the floor for this team.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, I mean they have to overpay, at
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  Speaker 1: least to an extent. My guess is that O'Hearn's best
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  Speaker 1: offer was say two twenty four, twenty five, and then
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  Speaker 1: you make a call and go, hey, he's yours if
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  Speaker 1: you make it twenty nine something like that. Do you
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  Speaker 1: guys agree, I think based on the past for the pirates, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to think how people out I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 2: how people would view them right now. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 2: you would make that case with a place like Sacramento.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know if Pittsburgh is that undesirable as
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  Speaker 2: a place to live. Cratsy, I mean, he's.
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  Speaker 1: Place to live. It's just the organization and how it's
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  Speaker 1: been run for six years or so, and there is
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  Speaker 1: still a chance that it doesn't go well and then
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  Speaker 1: you end up getting moved again. They haven't played in
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  Speaker 1: these waters in a long time. Maybe O'Hearn is not
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  Speaker 1: the best example because he's probably looking for the best deal. Kratz,
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  Speaker 1: this is his one time to strike.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And I would say maybe, and we'll ask O'Hearn.
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  Speaker 3: Remember put it down in your notes. Scotty always has
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  Speaker 3: a big awesome note section.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: But when Scott o'heart, Scott O'Hearn. When Ryan O'Hearn comes on,
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  Speaker 3: we got to make sure we ask him did the
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Allow signing or trade change his mind? Did it
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  Speaker 3: push it across the line for him? I would think
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  Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't necessarily an extra five million dollars, Maybe
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  Speaker 3: it was. Maybe there was just you know that extra cash.
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  Speaker 3: Five million dollars is a lot of money, no matter
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  Speaker 3: how much you're making. But you know, without Brandon Low,
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  Speaker 3: are you like, man like, that's just a lot of
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  Speaker 3: weight to carry for this lineup? Brandon Low is now
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: on the team, does that push it across or you're
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: or you're having those conversations and say, hey, wait, wait
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: and see, wait and see what we're gonna do as
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: an organization, wait and see the moves we're gonna make.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: We're we're gonna call Connor Griffin up this year. We
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: really feel like he is ready to go based on
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: what he shows us in spring training. And you're like,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: as a free agent, You're like, I don't know, you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I've heard this about the pirates, heard that about the pirates.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: And then the Brandon Law trade goes through. Oh well,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: that's kind of a that's kind of a nice deal.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I kind of do want to play with Paul Skeens.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I kind of do want to see what Brian Reynolds
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: has out there. Connor Griffin seems like the real deal.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I loved watching Jake Mangnum play like who knows what
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: goes into it, but maybe that Brandon low or trade
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: not contract trade pushed it over for him, like, Hey,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: they are really making moves and they might have some
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: more moves that they promised Ryan O'Hearn that they're going
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: to make.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Who knows, Yeah, I don't know if they're going to
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: be Well, they're now not going to be in play
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: for Okamoto. He's going to be at first. So they
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: were linked to him, and maybe those conversations were happening
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: and they went though hearn direction O'Hearn Horwitz. I don't
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: think they're going to add another guy who's primarily a
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: first baseman but third base.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And out did Nakamo go play third?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I think he plays third and first, but you feel
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: better about him.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Murakama was more of the first d H and the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: defense and strikeouts for the issue. Akamoto I thought was
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: a third baseman and I thought a very serviceable third baseman.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: And think about the production that they got at third
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: base for the last three years in Kibrian Hayes. Now
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: they're going to have a tough time that that pitching
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: staff which was which was really good. It's gonna have
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: tough time, you know, having a third basement there that's
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: not kim Brian Hayes, who's a goal glove third basement.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: So that will be a change. But if Alkamoto to me,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I think Pittsburgh is a great landing spot.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yep, first time, I.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Forget there's only so many first base jobs available to.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: You know, we who knows what he who knows what
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: he had out there. This could have been the best
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: opportunity for him, you know, could have guaranteed him the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: most playing time. But I don't think it's an unattractive place.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've only ever been there as a visiting player.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Beautiful stadium. I know you kind of hear kind of
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: in the industry, you know, how the pirates have done
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: things in the past, or the way that they do things,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: or their lack of being able to go out and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: spend money. But sometimes when you get a generational talent
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and you win the lottery and you get the first
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: overall pick, and you get like Paul's schemes, and he
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: goes out what he's done in his first two years.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe it changes the way the organization is planning on
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: acting moving forward, and maybe it changes the way that you,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: as a player feel about the organization. If I'm playing
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: right now, I want a front row seat to watch
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Paul Skins play for at least the next four years
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that he's signed up to be a Pittsburgh Pirate.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, and the Central got tougher. The team
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that I think has to be looking around and making
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: sure that they do something is the Cups. I mean,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: they're going to lose Kyle Tucker and the Pirates are
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: getting better. The Brewers aren't going anywhere. You know, there's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a few wins. Sometimes the Cubs just pummel the Pirates.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: They're not going to be as easy to pummel this year.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So something that the Cubs should keep in mind. You know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: if the Brewers win the division, there might not be
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a wildcard team, or it could be a team like Pittsburgh.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Given the Cubs a run for one of those.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Spots, I mean, I think that's a I think that's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a fair point. When you have a lot of these
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: or at least a bottom feeder in your division. It
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you know, the teams like the Cubs can go out
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and feel like, you know, we play them X amount
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of times a year, we're gonna just beat them, you know, majority.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Of the time.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Kind of sets your bar at that, you know, eighty
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: six to ninety wins. You know, as these teams get better,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe there isn't a wildcard team that comes
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: out of the centro anymore. Maybe there's only one winner
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: because the the gap is shrinking a little bit, it
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: becomes a little bit more competitive.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the Reds haven't done much, but
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: they're pitching good, so they're not going to be a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: pushover next year. Really, the Cardinals could be the pushover
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: of all teams that would be the bottom feeder coming
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: into next season. Jeff McNeil traded to the Sacramento Athletics.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: First off, KP, You played with McNeil.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I did.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: We played together in New York, Okay, and you played
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: with I guess most of the long tenured Mets who
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: are now gone. So this continues to unravel. We are
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: going to give good love to the A side and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: what their lineup looks like, which I think is pretty good.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But let's start with the Mets dismantling their core. What
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: do you think about it? What does it tell you?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I think it has a lot more to do with
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: who's running the team and David Stearns. Obviously Steve Cohen
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: at the top, but he brings in someone like David Stearns,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and you know, sometimes people that are as successful as
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: he is and has done what he's been able to do.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: When they inherit a team with a lot of really
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: good players on it and it doesn't work, or if
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: it does work, sometimes they like to kind of strip
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it down and kind of bring in their own guys
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and leave their own fingerprint. I think this is a
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: lot more to do with David Stearns and wanting to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: leave his fingerprint on the Mets organization more than maybe
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: some of these rumors that you see about a lot
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: of these pieces not really fitting together. Because when I
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: was there, yes, every team going to have some you
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: know argument and behind closed doors, you know, fights or
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: disagreements and stuff. But you know a lot of these
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: players that are no longer there were really good players,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and they all kind of fit in. You know, it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: was a bunch of different unique personalities. But when it
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: came to playing ball, these guys love playing ball and
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: love winning. And I know ultimately they haven't won, But
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I think this has to do more with trying to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: leave his fingerprint on bringing in his guys.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: But they won recently. Like I get it, they didn't
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: win this year. And I don't think anything was so
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: bad and so agregious that this past year was like
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: we got to get rid of four of our most
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: productive players, let alone fan favorites, like for McNeil, he
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: had a one to eleven ops plus, like he was
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: above league average. Yes, his defense was what it was.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: There was some tists. You would see some of his
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: you know, emotion. You gotta have guys that have emotions.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: So the fact that David Stearns came in here and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: has now dismantled a very huge core of this team,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: he still hasn't dismantled two of the biggest core pieces
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: in Juan Soto and Francisco Lindor. The biggest question will
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: be for him and I don't because I know Stearns,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like he's coming in going. My fingerprint
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: needs to be on this. I don't a lot of
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: gms have that, and player president of baseball operations have that,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: like this is me. I want to be me. I
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: want to show everybody who I am, and this is
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: my kind of team. He's more of. I want to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: build something that's sustainable. I want to build something that wins,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: not just this year, but for the next fifteen years.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: And I think sometimes those decisions are not always the
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: most popular decisions at this moment, saying all that he
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: needs needs to definitely come up with a lot of
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: value to be able to fill in for the guys
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: that he's lost. When you figure Nemo's twenty seven home runs,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: when you figure what Pete Alonso has done and what
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: he did in this past year, when you figure in
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Jeff McNeil, I get it's been a while since he
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: won a batting title, but he's still an above average
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: hitter and the best, if not one of the best
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: closers in the game. And Edwin Diaz all gone to
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: fill in for those. Luke Weaver and Devin Williams good start,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: There's a lot he needs to do on this offense
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that was actually pretty good last year. It's the starting
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: pitching that cooked them, so it'll be interesting. But another
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: piece out of the Mets is gone.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Okay KP. Jeff McNeil and Francisco Lindor got into it
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: several years ago, and then it was reported that they
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: got into it again this past year. They're one of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a billion get into it situations that occur throughout a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: baseball season, but they're in New York, so some of
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: them have become public. It's hard to dissect how to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: view this one. Is it just because the Mets want
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to clear some more money and get David Stearns his
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: own guys in there, or is there also a factor
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to switch up personalities involved in the clubhouse. I mean,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: if there are two guys that go at it every
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: once in a while, do we like it? Is it good?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Is it healthy? Or do they prefer to have two
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: bestest friends that are always combo or you know, in
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the lineup together frequently.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think all these things are fair, but
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you know, they also really didn't have a place for
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil. You bring in someone like Marcus Simi who's
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: going to play every day second base. You have Mark
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Vientos and a Brett Bady are going to be kind
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: of competing for third base. Jeff McNeil is a fine outfielder.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Is he a goal glove caliber outfielder. No, but he's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: kind of a jack of all trades, could kind of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: fit in anywhere. You know, this could just be more
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: about he just kind of became the odd man out in,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: you know, the way their roster was configured. But I
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: really do like the moves on the on the A
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: side because I do think the young core of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: A's players is something promising. I think once they're able
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to kind of build a pitching staff around them, and
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's really gonna happen until they moved
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to Vegas, because I don't think there's a ton of
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: free agents wanting to sign in Sacramento at this point,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: given how hit or friendly it is, how kind of
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: far behind it is on their facilities. But I do
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: love what they're gonna be able to do. From the
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: offensive side. You have guys like Jeff McNeil and Jack
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Wilson who just are really tough out who put the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: ball in play, and you think about the guys around them,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be able to score a lot
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: of runs, and they're gonna need to be able to
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: score a lot of runs to win games because their
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: pitching staff isn't quite there yet.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think of the A's heading into next Yearocratz?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: If they just wipe out May, they would have been
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: close to a playoff team this back season. They need
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: more pitching. I think that's pretty obvious. I think the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: lineup is a playoff worthy lineup, I would say so.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I think they have. I think they have a good
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: mix of what KP just said. I mean McNeil pop
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: you ten to twelve home runs. Jacob Wilson will pop
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: you ten to twelve home runs. So those are the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: contact guys. I think Rook has been just that solid,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: solid DH for this team. And then with the emergence
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: of Nick Kurtz last year, you have an aircraft carrier
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that makes Brent Rooker the guy that you're like, I mean,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: who do we go after here? I guess my better
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: matchup is against the lefty. I'll try to go after
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Nick Kurtz. I think they have a good lineup. I
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: think Soderstrum's full year of being in the big leagues
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: after a full year of being in the big leagues
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: will be huge, and I think Low Dog is going
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: to have a bounce back year. They have a great lineup.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: But man, you can't you can't win like you can't
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: win the way they were trying to win last year. Whatever,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: if it's Sacramento or not. KP will tell you if
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you're standing out in the field in Sacramento, Toronto, Philly,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: wherever it is, and you just scored seven runs and
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: you're losing eight to seven and the seventh inning, it's draining.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: It drains on you. It just drains on you watching
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: more guys run in from the bullpen, watching more runs
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: get given up, and it's a track meet out there.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: So they have to find a way to get quality
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: innings from the starters but also be able to just
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: flat out give up less runs. And they get rid
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: of JP Sears, they got rid of their lockdown closer
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and Mason Miller. So yes, you get rid of May
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff is great, Like, you know, you
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: had a decent season, Try to finish an entire season,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: not just the last month and a half. Two months
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: without Mason Miller. They had a stop a stop gap cloth.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I mean they had guy that stopped the game in
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the ninth inning in Mason Miller, and now they don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: have it. They got a lot of work to do
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: on the pitching side. It's another team that I'm going
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to be pushing that over all year next year.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that park's tough. Did you get time there, KP.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I played there. I played there early, so it
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: was a little cooler when I was there.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: But it's still a launching pad.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's runs are always going to be flying
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: on the board there. It's hard to you know, it's
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: much like Colorado. You know there and you're expecting to
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: score a lot of runs. And to Crats's point, when
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you're someone that's in the field, whether you're in the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: outfield or infield, and guys are just running around the bases,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you're constantly going to the bullpen, it does affect your
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: offense over the course of the year, the more you're
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: standing on your feet. So, you know, I love their offense.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: We forgot about shay Langeliers also a really good player.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: The guys capable of hitting thirty home runs. So like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you think about their lineup from top to bottom, they
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: have right and lets you know, contact, they have some speed,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: they have some pop, They're gonna score runs. It just
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: comes down to if they can get enough pitching. You know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you saw what happened when they went out and signed
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a seven reno. They had to severely overpay, and then
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: they got a frustrated player when he actually got the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Sacramento and played. You know, I think if they do
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a good job and just continue to kind of lock
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: these guys up and kind of built for two to
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: three years from now, you know, I think they're gonna
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: be a team that's gonna be really good. But they
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: got to find a way to get pitching. And I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: don't know much about their their minor league depth and pitching.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: If they have options that they're able to bring up,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: but it's it's tough shoes to fill when you have
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a guy like Mason Miller leave and even jpcre is
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: very reliable.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Is he an ace on a staff? No, But sometimes
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: you need guys.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: That can make their thirty two starts and you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: throw one hundred and eighty innings a year.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right now, their pitching is not close. You know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I'm looking as you guys are talking. But hitting wise,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: everybody in the lineup was above average by a pretty
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: nice margin. Besides the bottom three in the regular order,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: which would include Lawrence Butler, who was more of a
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: league average guy this past season with the bat, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: then they have Max Muntzy pegged to third, the other
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Max Monty, and Denzel Clark who's sick in center field.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Everybody else is nicely above average if you go off
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: numbers like weighted runs created plus or ops plus. So
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they're building something nice with the core. They should do
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: some spending on the free agent market. I'm not saying
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they're going to go out and spend one hundred and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: fifty million bucks on a starter, but they have a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: lot of work to do. You guys are right. I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to do it, but we'll see.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: In January. Hey, good for Rob Refsnyder signing a contract
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: with the Seattle Mariners. And you know, he's one of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: those specialists KP. He either bashes or is able to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: solve left hand pitching as well as anybody in baseball,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and the Mariners recognize that. It's been around the game
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: for a while and he's really found a fit in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: terms of how he's able to put together just incredibly
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: incredible quality at bats, so the Mariners pick him up.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: For some reason, I lost where the money was, but
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I believe Kratz. Do you have it off the top
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of your head. One year? What is it? Six and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: a half?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Six and a half.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nice coin for Rob.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I love everything about it. I played with Rob Ruth Snyder.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember when, but he was kind of
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: just up and down. He was still trying to kind
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: of figure out his.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Way in the game.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: You know, all of a sudden he ended up in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Boston and he kind of found his niche in this game,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and I love that. And I remember seeing him in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the off season, I think the year before he signed
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that two year deal with Boston, and he wasn't even
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: sure he wanted to continue to play. Not because he
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: didn't love the game. He just had a young family
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and as Krats knows, it weighs on you a lot
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: being gone, and he ended up sticking it out. He
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: found his niche in this game with Boston. He really
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: found his specialty. And I love that he got paid
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: for it because typically you see guys that even dominate
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: left handed pitching because it usually ends up being about
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a third of the at bats that a.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Lefty would get. You know, normally they get.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Shafted on, you know, being a specialist. And I know
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: earlier this offseason we had talked about just the quality
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: of left handed pitching in the major leagues right now,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and majority of them are starting game one of the playoffs.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: You need a guy like this if you're Seattle, if
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: you got to go up against a Trek Scooble in
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: game one of a wildcart series. So good for him
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: for finally, you know, getting a good payday, and good
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: for the Mariners for you know, paying a guy six
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and a half million dollars to platoon because typically the
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: right handed platoon guys are the ones that you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: end up with two or three million dollars, So good
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: for them paying them six and have million bucks.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the fact that he did this at an
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: elite level is my favorite. Like I'm not saying he's
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the best one available, I mean the best right handed
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: bat available to hit lefties. But when you look at
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: what he did is last two years ops plus over
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: one third, and people are gonna say, well, he's gonna
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: get overexposed in Seattle. Seattle had to go through Trek Scubele,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: and they did. They beat him, But you know you're
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: gonna have to go through some quality lefties if you
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: want to win the American League, you were gonna have
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to go through maybe Max Freed, Carlos Rodin, Trek Scubele,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Garrett Crochet like and I'm not even I'm not even
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: mentioning guys in there in their division right now. And
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: to me, he's the best one available. And he showed
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I had it pulled up, how many like this is
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: a truly he can go in there, he can face
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: your lefties. But he has played this past year. He
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: played forty three games in the outfield, twenty nine of
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: them in right field, so he was bouncing around. He
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: DHD twenty times, and he played forty six in left field. Like,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: and he's playing in Boston. That's a tough transition from
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: left field in Boston to right field in Boston. He
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: has really created since being a minor leaguer in the
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yankees organization. When he came up, it was like, I
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: mean on that on those minor league teams, it was
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Tyler Austin, it was Aaron Judge, it was and he's
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: really good friends with Aaron Judge Tyler Wade, like guys
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: that were all prospects, and some of them have you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: gone their separate ways Japan and utility guy and all
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: that stuff. He's really re upped his value since going
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: to Boston, similar to what like Randall Gritchik has done
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: in Arizona. It's like, hey, you you you gain that
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: value and all of a sudden, teams see what you
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: can bring. And defensively he's versatile enough. I think this
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: is a huge addition for the Mariners, but it can't
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: be enough. And at six point four to six point
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: five million what he got, it's a pretty expensive piece.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I love like with KP's said, I love that they
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: got him this, but it's it's a steep price. Let's
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: put it that way for somebody who's only going to
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: face lefties if you want him to have his most success.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is speaking my language exactly. One.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I know the difficulty of playing right field and left
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: field in Boston, and you know they're two completely different
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: worlds playing out there. But my point is a guy
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: like this, you look at his numbers, the eight thirty AOPs,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the one point thirty ops plus, you can't really put
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: an accurate number on it, because people don't realize the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: difficulty it is to sit there on the bench only
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: face left handed pitching. You were subject to the rotation
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that you were playing in the upcoming weeks of when
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you were actually going to get a chance to play.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: I platooned when.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I was in Atlanta, and there was days I went
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: seventeen days without that bat because we didn't face the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: left handed starter, or my spot didn't come up with
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: a lefty reliever coming in. So you have to kind
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: of look at that number and you have to realize
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the difficulty that it comes with staying ready every single day,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: not knowing when your number is gonna get called off
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the bench, and then ultimately being only playing when your
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: numbers called when a left handed starter goes. It's really
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: difficult to do. I wish there was like a scale
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that you could just put a one p thirty ops
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: in compared to like a guy who plays every day, because,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: as Kratzy knows, is a guy who had an opportunity
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: to play every day at some point is queer and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: also coming off the bench. It's two completely different ballgames.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I would love that I would love that I wish
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: there was. I wish there was a formula too, because
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: everyone's like, yeah, but you hit this or you hit that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Like if you take the best superstar and you put
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: them on the bench, like KP said, seventeen days in
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: a row, four days in a row of not playing,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: and then two more days off and you don't play again.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Or when you do play, you're facing that lefty, they
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: bring a righty in and the seventh and you only
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: got two at bats. I would love to see where
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: that sliding scale of your success goes. It is. It's hard,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: and so to have the numbers that ref Snyder has
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: at a one thirty eight ops plus and the year
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: before one thirty one, I bet that's actually higher. You know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: we value like defensively if or we value in positions.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: If a catcher hits has one hundred ops plus league average,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: he's league average, but position average, he's above average coming
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: off the bench only facing lefties. If you have that,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: if you have a thirty eight percent higher ops plus
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: than the rest of the league, to me, that's higher.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: That's more like a fifty percent Because of how hard
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: it is to come off the bench and be productive
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: for an entire season.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Also, remember that we love using the I would say
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: basic advanced stats like OPS plus or weighted runs created
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: plus is very similar. They do not factor in if
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you're hitting against left handed or right handed pitching, so
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you can put a little more value on someone who's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: hitting lefties based off something that's become a trend in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the game. Left handed pitching tougher than ever. To hit
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: left handed pitching specifically has gotten so difficult, right, there's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the talent, there's the platooning that gets done with many players.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: It's there's a whole mix. There's guys, right you got
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: rid of the loogi's the guys who really cannot get
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a right out. They're not really in the league anymore.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: So you add everything up, and that is why I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: think Rob Refsnyder gets six and a half versus maybe
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: three and a half. Crats will go back to your
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: other point about the Mariners not enough. I think they're
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: done on the position player side. I mean, I know
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: they didn't bring back Coorge Polanco, but I'm just slicing
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: up the lineup right now and what I think they're
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: going to do. And we know Jerry Depoto likes to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: swing a trade, so if there's some crazy opening in
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: terms of someone that's available on the market, he'll have
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: a conversation. But I think it's more likely that they
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: try and load up and trade for maybe yet another reliever.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: They love Jose Ferrer and actually they made a great
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: point again talking lefty righty. Farrere is someone who can
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: come in as left you with three good pitches out
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of the bullpen, including I think two that or plus
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: after essentially an entire rotation of right handed starting pitchers.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So they just felt like they needed more than most
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: teams do because they want to have you. I would say,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I would say ideally three high leveraged lefties, which is
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: difficult to do. So maybe I think they've got two now,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: maybe they end up getting a third. But anyway, back
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to the lineup for a second, Randy Rose Arena should
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: be playing every day. Cale Rowley's going to play every day,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Julio Rodriguez is going to play every day, Josh Naylor
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: is going to play every day. D H. Probably your
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: most common situation here is can Zone against righty's, who
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: actually had a crazy year against righty's, and then ref
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Snyder against lefties. Obviously, ref Snyder can play other positions too,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: but they've got Victor Roeblaz who will still probably get
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a good chunk of time out there. That's the one
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: spot that you could look at as maybe a weaker
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: spot where he could be a fourth outbuilder for a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: first division team versus what he was. JP Crawford's going
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: to play every day, and then you've got second and third.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Cole Young I think is taking up second base. They
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: love him. I know you're going to make a face
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Crafts because he's young and unproven, but he's one of
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the top prospects in baseball and this is his time now,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: this is his year. He's twenty two and a half
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: right now, so next year I think will be his
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: age twenty three season. And then Ben Williamson over at third.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: That's where you can make the case. Do they bring
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Gino Suarez back even though he wasn't great with them
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: down the stretch, so you don't have two super youngsters
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: at second and third. What do you want to see done?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I mean I said it before and you we'll see
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: in my wish list later on. Kotel Marte would do
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: for this team what I think the Mariners saw Josh
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Naylor did for this team, not taking anything away from
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: cal Rally. Cal Rally was the reason they got to
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: where they were and did what they did. I get it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: But when you brought Josh Naylor in and he stole
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: twenty two bases in two months, when you bring in
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: a guy like you Hineo Suarez, who I think he
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: only had thirteen homers in his like fifty games he played,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I get it. He didn't do well. It changes the
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: look of that lineup for the other team when they're
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: attacking guys, and I think helped cal Ralely have success
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: the rest of the season and not fade or get
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: pitched around as much as he should have for a
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: guy that hit sixty homers. To me, I think if
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: you trade for Kateel Marte, I get what they're saying
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: about Cole Jung. He looks great. He's the PA guy,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: so I'm always banging a drum for Pennsylvania guys that
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: need to come up. He's not gond tell Marte, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: that's okay. He hit two forty in the minor leagues
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: last year and that's okay. It doesn't mean he's not ready,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it just means not could tell Marte and it just
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: means Mariners have too often not done that last little thing.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: And they did it last year and look how close
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: they got to make it the World Series. This team
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: has the pitching, kateel Marte puts them over the top.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: And I say it the other day, I'll say it
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: again later on today they get him. They are the
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: best team in the American League.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, it's a good call. And hey, I mean, I
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: just want to clarify. I completely agree. I think one
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: more movie is necessary. Could tell Marte or Brendan Donovan.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just not positive they're going to go down that route.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to go down the signing
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: route unless no one likes Gino Suarez and they get
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: him at a discount and they bring him back because
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: they love him. But otherwise I'm with you. The one
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: piece left, it's Donovan or it's kateel Marte. I just
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're actually going to do it. I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: hope they do it. A couple quick hitters that we
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: didn't have time for earlier. Sean Neukom signed with the
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: White Sox. They're handing out money now, four and a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: half million bucks on a one year contract. Jeff Passen
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: talked about how he was one of the most highly
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: sought left handed relievers on the market, so good for
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the White Sox. That helps prove a little bit at
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the margins. If Nukem looks great, you can usually flip
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: them at the deadline for a prospect, and you also
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: end up only paying what sixty percent or so of
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: that contract if the White Sox aren't playoff relevant. These
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: are the kind of moves that I think you should
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: be making left and right if you're the White Sox.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: The way that you can catch up quickly. And we've
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: gone over this many times. Kevin is how the White
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Sox should be able to spend their way out of
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a rebuild a little bit quicker by making signings like
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: this and acquiring more prospects.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: No doubt.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I think also read that he's going to compete for
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: a starting rotation job too. I don't think he's I
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: don't think he's signed there to be a reliever. I
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: think I had read that he's going to have a
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: chance to compete in the rotation and obviously if it
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out, his fallback he can be a legit
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: left handed weapon out of any bullpen. But yeah, I
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: think teams that are in a position like the White
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Sox are in that need to, you know.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Do some things.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: You go out and sign these players that you know
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: or only really commanding one year deals, given opportunity to play.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: You have spots on your roster to fill.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Let him go out and play.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: If you got to overpay a little bit, you know
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: you're only paying sixty percent of it because you're not
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: a playoff team, and go on acquire some prospects.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yep, I'm with you, hey. And then last one, last
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: bit of news, and I truly think this was based
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: off yesterday's show. I'm not saying this to be hockey
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: or anything. We had Pete Alonso on the show yesterday
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and one of our last questions was about how we
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: haven't heard any news about him linked to the World
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Baseball Classic. He was part of that team last go Round?
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: What pops up? Hours later, Bryce Harper announced as the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: first baseman for Team USA, or at least that he's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: joining Team USA. Pete was like, dro call me, and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I'm looking and I'm thinking, why aren't they calling Pete yet?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're waiting for Bryce to make a decision. Brice
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: didn't participate last go round, not that Pete can't still
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: join the team, but my guess is that there was
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a wait see on Bryce first before they started exploring
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: phone calls to Pete, matt Olsen, maybe Michael Bush, guys
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: like that. So Krats, the timing was impeccable. We've had
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: all of these days on the calendar, and hours after
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: our conversation and Pete's public call out that got a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: lot of play on social media, we get another member
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: of the World Baseball Classic USA squad at it, and
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a great one for the USA fans out there in
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Bryce Harper.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Don't think so highly of yourself, Scott that you're that
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: you're making that you're making trendy, trendy moves. But yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent, like it's time, it's time, you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: maybe a call was made, Hey, Bryce Haye, how you feeling?
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: What's your what's your move? Because I know Pete, Pete
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: wants to Pete wants to play. I completely forgot, honestly,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Like when he said it yesterday, my mind's going, Okay,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: who's going to play first? Can't you can't mess up
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: first base as a as team USA. I'm like there's
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: no way. I'm like, and I never thought of Bryce Harper,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Like he's right here in my backyard, and I'm like,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: who's gonna play first? And I thought of Matt Olson,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, there's no way, Like I haven't
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: heard anything about Matt Olsen, and then I never even
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: thought of Bryce Harper's. But good for Team USA. Look,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: you can find a spot. You can find a spot
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: for Pete. You can even find a spot for Matt Olson.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: You can have all three of them, bring them all like,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: bring your lit's, just like you said in the movie,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: bring your green hat, like we're going streaking in the
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: quad when the when the WBC.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: You've got righty pop LEFTI pop with those guys first
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: base DH. We'll see how the rest of the roster
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: shakes out. Pete might still be part of it. But
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I do think, yeah, Bryce saying let's do this had
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit to do with the oh hey, yeah,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it is December twenty third. I'd love to figure out
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: where I'm going to be in March. Am I going
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: to be justin spring training with the Ools? Or am
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I going to be spending some time in the World
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Baseball Classic? And two more orders of business crats hats,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and then a special shout out on the way out.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I got my Santa hat on. There's
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: no team on it. What you guys are. You guys
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: are my team. There actually is a Phillies Phillies Santa
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: hat that we have somewhere in the house and it
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: actually fits me a little bit better because it's a
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: little bit larger. But it was like it was a
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: gift to It was a gift to my son, I
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: think years ago. But anyway, you guys are my You
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: guys are my Christmas gift. I don't need to ask
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: for anything. I love having KP on the show. I
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: love working with Scott every day. I love working with
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Gab and Claude and Jare and Mark and Michael sometimes
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Justin and if I'm forgetting somebody, Olivia, like everybody, all
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: everybody behind the scenes, even Aj he's off gallivanting in Africa.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: But this ft is my is my Christmas gift and
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I love it and I love all the fans that
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: are here. So everybody, Marry Christmas. Honika just ended. Happy
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Honikah and a happy New Year.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said George and Vince and Sarah and so
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: many more. Frankie, I mean, the list goes on and on.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, it's a big group and they're awesome,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and then we'll show one more tweet at the finish line.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: We don't ask for this often, but when it does
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: get posted, we rarely show it on shows, and I'd
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: like to do it a little bit more frequently. Ref.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: One of our OG's in the chat among many that
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  Speaker 1: we love in there and the YouTube live chat every
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  Speaker 1: day said, apparently I'm the top one percent of Foul
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  Speaker 1: Territory viewers on YouTube group chat confirmed. We're all certified sick. Ohs.
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  Speaker 1: My wife thinks I have a problem. I think I
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  Speaker 1: have priorities, no regrets. Top point one percent, not just
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  Speaker 1: one percent. Ref. You showed us the screenshop point one
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  Speaker 1: percent of viewers. You watched three hundred and forty nine
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  Speaker 1: of our videos this year. That is dedication. We love
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  Speaker 1: you and all of the ftfam that has been watching
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  Speaker 1: us all year long. KPTE. Great to have you as
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  Speaker 1: an addition to the team. Looking forward to a big
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  Speaker 1: year and more announcements in twenty twenty six. Have an
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  Speaker 1: awesome holiday, have a few on me, or actually just
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  Speaker 1: put it on Santa's Tab tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, pet on Santa's Tab.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta say Happy birthday to my mom too, to
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  Speaker 2: my mom's birthday today.
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  Speaker 4: Holidays are crazy.
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  Speaker 2: My dad's birthdays the day after Christmas, so this is
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  Speaker 2: like the official kickoff of the holiday.
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  Speaker 4: Season for us.
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  Speaker 2: So happy birthday, Mom, and love you guys. Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: having me. You guys have been a Christmas gift for
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  Speaker 2: me all along, allowing me to stay, you know, in baseball.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm excited to get up in the morning and
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  Speaker 2: check my phone to kind of stay in the loop
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  Speaker 2: of baseball. And you guys had given me a great outlet.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Have a we love having it.
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  Speaker 2: And Happy New Year.
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  Speaker 3: Your mom's got a birthday that's today.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta go here.