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TMCP EP 28: What WIll Dana White Do to the Boxing World? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Put your hands together for Jamison.
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  Speaker 1: Row And in this standing at five foot ten, weighing
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  Speaker 1: in at pound and coming to us from his super
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  Speaker 1: secret bunker with no ac in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: Put your hands together for Louis Montemao. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 3: another episode of the Next Company podcast. Of course, on
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  Speaker 3: one half of the show, Jameis and Welsh always drawn
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  Speaker 3: by Louise and Louise. What's going on, man? It's been
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  Speaker 3: an eventful two weeks and change.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on man, jameson, I am stoked to be
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  Speaker 2: back on the MIC for episode twenty eight, still celebrating
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  Speaker 2: spooky season. I'm a little sleep deprived. I had a
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  Speaker 2: double feature of Texas Chainsawn Masacer at Nightmare on Numb Street,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't think I'm sleeping with the lights off
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  Speaker 2: for the rest of this month. Possibly, are you looking
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  Speaker 2: scars gart movies? No? No, how about this? Not typically,
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  Speaker 2: but you know when you watch a couple in a
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  Speaker 2: row and you turn off the lights and like the
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  Speaker 2: fridge makes a noise, You're like, well, what the hell
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  Speaker 2: is that? So yeah, yeah, yeah, typically not, but you
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  Speaker 2: know it's a how about this. I watch scary movies
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  Speaker 2: all year. They hit different when it's in October.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Plus plus I live in the ghetto, so there's always
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  Speaker 2: it's always dangerous outside of Asta. Come on, but no, man, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: really excited to be back on the show here talking
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  Speaker 2: to Boxing News. Let's get into it. But first I
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  Speaker 2: want to thank our sponsored Delightful Smoke Shop in Tucson, Arizona,
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  Speaker 2: twenty second Street and mark your calendars for Saturday, November fifteenth,
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  Speaker 2: because they will be having the third annual Car Show
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  Speaker 2: Extravaganza at five pm on site, so I'll be there
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  Speaker 2: most likely with our producer Jabari Davis as well. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty stoked. So thanks to Delightful Smoke Shop for
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  Speaker 2: the sponsorship and for forgetting his notice on the car show.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, let's see this past weekend, so we have
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  Speaker 2: been working with a platform called Millions dot Co officials
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  Speaker 2: partner of nineteen Media Group or network, and we've actually
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  Speaker 2: been doing some interviews with some fighters thanks to their help,
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  Speaker 2: and they were behind a pay per view for Danny
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  Speaker 2: Garcia versus Daniel Gonzalez this past Saturday. Danny Garcia this
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be his big farewell to Brooklyn. Turns
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  Speaker 2: out the fight ended with a Garcia knockout in the
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  Speaker 2: fourth round with a killer hook, and Danny's already saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: I got a probably got another fight in me. You know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of big talk about retirement, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: you get a taste of success. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: what we said about our boy Matt. Sorry you said
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  Speaker 2: about our boy Manipacchio. Competitive fight keeps him fighting, kind
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  Speaker 2: of brings him back into the ring. What is that
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  Speaker 2: feeling of Like it must be that that I said,
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  Speaker 2: that tastes of the success that you just can't you
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  Speaker 2: just can't let go of. Fighters can't let go of.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think about this this
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  Speaker 2: trend player, Well, big.
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  Speaker 3: Part of it is you guys retire at the end
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  Speaker 3: when it's over, when it's over over. I don't like
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  Speaker 3: the farewell of Brooklyn though Danny's a Philly fighter. I
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  Speaker 3: know he fought a lot of fights in Brooklyn, but
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  Speaker 3: he would have sold out Philly, or at least did
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  Speaker 3: like twelve or thirteen thousand in Philly. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if the venue was available. I don't know all the
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  Speaker 3: details about that. I know it is basketball and football season,
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  Speaker 3: so it might be a little bit more difficult than normal. However,
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  Speaker 3: with that being said, I would prefer that fight being
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  Speaker 3: in Philly personally, but that's hither there. Fires fight until
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  Speaker 3: they can't. So if a fire feels like he still
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  Speaker 3: has something, he's gonna fight for a lot of reasons. One,
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  Speaker 3: that's what they do. That's what they know. So that's
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  Speaker 3: what you know, and that's what you do. You're gonna
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  Speaker 3: keep doing it till you can't know more. Also, the money,
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  Speaker 3: there's a checkout there, they're gonna get that check. And
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  Speaker 3: he's one of the few guys out there that has
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  Speaker 3: some name recognition. We're off name alone. He can probably
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  Speaker 3: get a half million just to be on someone's card,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a million, just because and those things count, and
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  Speaker 3: especially in an economy that's kind of tough right now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't blame anyone for trying to get that is
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  Speaker 3: they can get it.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. You know, he's still obviously got name recognition,
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  Speaker 2: he's still got some some heat on his name, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you if it went the distance, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe he kind of wont a split decision majority.
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  Speaker 2: I could understand maybe him saying like, well, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: stick to it, I'm gonna say my goodbyes, but you
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  Speaker 2: got a fourth round knockout, and you know you got
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  Speaker 2: They play all this stuff over and over in social media.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I can't. I bet you get hyped up
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  Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, let's do that ship. Get I
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  Speaker 2: can't I carry it. I mean, you know, I've only
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  Speaker 2: ever done sparring with friends, but that that adrenaline rush
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  Speaker 2: is no joke. It is not it's you can't. You
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  Speaker 2: can't deny the Yeah, the the motivation of that adrenaline
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  Speaker 2: rush of of you know, throws some punches, not dying
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  Speaker 2: after getting hit in the face. For me specifically, that's
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  Speaker 2: probably like my biggest the biggest w I tuck is
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  Speaker 2: leaving the gym on my feet when I was doing
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  Speaker 2: this ship But yeah, I mean the only thing about
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  Speaker 2: it is that. But of course what I was doing
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  Speaker 2: had his own level of danger. But getting into a
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  Speaker 2: ring that is also no joke. You know that people
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  Speaker 2: are putting their lives at risk every time they get
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  Speaker 2: on there. So you know, hopefully with our fighters that
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  Speaker 2: are getting up there in age, you know, they're not
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  Speaker 2: putting themselves to that kind of position where, you know, right,
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  Speaker 2: something tragic might happen. Knock on wood, right. But speaking
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  Speaker 2: of Millions, by the way, so they were kind of
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  Speaker 2: enough to set up some interviews for us, well for
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  Speaker 2: me specifically, because there's only one one host at a time,
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  Speaker 2: so I was very grateful for them. I was able
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  Speaker 2: to talk to a couple of guys, one of them
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  Speaker 2: named Johan Ingram, nicknamed the Boogeyman, the other guy named
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  Speaker 2: the Dedication Daniel Bailey Junior. Awesome guys, really cool time
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  Speaker 2: talking to them. It was a lot of fun. So
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  Speaker 2: those interviews actually they're exclusively either on Millions dot co.
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  Speaker 2: Our show is on there, video uploaded every time we
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  Speaker 2: record an episode, or on YouTube we are we have
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  Speaker 2: a playlist on nineteen media groups channel. So I would
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  Speaker 2: encourage you to check those out. Uh, leave it a like,
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  Speaker 2: give it a comment. If there are other questions, because
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  Speaker 2: we do want to keep doing this with fighters. If
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  Speaker 2: there's questions that you think you want to learn from
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  Speaker 2: professional fighters, these are pros, please let us know. Here's
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  Speaker 2: a little a little taste of what my interview with
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  Speaker 2: Daniel Bailey.
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  Speaker 4: Advice, and you learn from it, learn from their mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say you've got a young kid who is getting
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  Speaker 2: into boxing, a teenager and is really dedicated and loves it.
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  Speaker 2: What steps would that kid I have to take to
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  Speaker 2: go to get something more serious?
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  Speaker 4: Learn from everybody when you have a boxer at a gym,
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  Speaker 4: you got guys who've been pro for years. You got
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  Speaker 4: guys who've been through what you're going through. So ask
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  Speaker 4: those guys for advice, and you learn from it. Learn
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  Speaker 4: from their mistakes because they gonna tell you what they
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  Speaker 4: wish they would have done and things that you should
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  Speaker 4: do immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, what a great and a handsome interviewer that was.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I know it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: And also there's a lot of things I learned as well.
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  Speaker 2: So it's because I don't know. I wouldn't imagine that
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  Speaker 2: some guys in a boxing gym are also pros. Are
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  Speaker 2: like like a gym that I would go to, like,
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be in my mind that somebody was pro
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  Speaker 2: at one time and actually fought just sitting there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the same gym as I am, you know, hitting
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  Speaker 2: the heavy bag or whatever. But that's a legitimate a thing,
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  Speaker 2: like there's no there's no pro versus like you know,
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  Speaker 2: gym's for regular dudes, right when it comes to boxing,
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  Speaker 2: So no.
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  Speaker 3: Gym is one size fit all. That's the funniest part
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  Speaker 3: when we're talking about boxing, is it's unique unlike anything else. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: there's no there's no rhyme or reason with boxing. It's
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  Speaker 3: just boxing. Yeah, you have the gym is open to
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  Speaker 3: the pros, but also when the pro's not there, you
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  Speaker 3: got everybody training there. That's just how it goes now.
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  Speaker 3: I like how he mentioned you learned from everyone else's mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good thing we see. I'll give you an example,
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  Speaker 3: Shakur Stevenson and Adrian Browner. You can see or one
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  Speaker 3: guy's learning from someone else's mistakes seeing or one guy's
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  Speaker 3: off the deep bend, and one guy's pretty level headed
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  Speaker 3: and grounded and focused on the boxing as a whole.
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  Speaker 3: You don't hear a lot of things by cur Stevenson
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  Speaker 3: out there in the streets. You don't hear them about
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  Speaker 3: him being outside or causing any problems or any legal issues.
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  Speaker 3: You see Adrian brown like Adrian Brono was all these
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  Speaker 3: guys OG because he came up a while ago. He's
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  Speaker 3: all these guys as OG. He's the guy people looked
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  Speaker 3: up to because at one time he was one of
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  Speaker 3: the faces of the of the sport of the New era,
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  Speaker 3: and we saw how that ended. So I like, how
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  Speaker 3: you want people mistakes. Unfortunately, there's mistakes to learn from,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it happens that way. But yeah, it's fairly
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  Speaker 3: interesting for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially since another thing with boxing that you know,
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  Speaker 2: these are sometimes literal children, you know, getting into the
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  Speaker 2: sport and training. You have to be really because it's
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  Speaker 2: that it's a young man's game and if you don't
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  Speaker 2: have somebody to guide you, not just on how to
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  Speaker 2: throw a punch, you know, on how to move your feet.
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  Speaker 2: There's all of these aspects of something we talked about
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  Speaker 2: with both of these fighters that interview too, is like
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  Speaker 2: careers end outside of the ring all the time, kind
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  Speaker 2: of the way you said, people get in trouble, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they get legal trouble, that they're not focused and it's
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  Speaker 2: just it's just crazy. I mean I kind of feel like,
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  Speaker 2: here's the question, because I only ever follow boxing. I've
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  Speaker 2: only ever cared about boxing. Does boxing have like a
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  Speaker 2: history of more notoriously like fighters getting into trouble outside
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  Speaker 2: the ring than NFL or NBA does? I don't know
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  Speaker 2: the different.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of boxers train here, so when you're training here,
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  Speaker 3: living here, there's a lot of temptation in Vegas, especially
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  Speaker 3: when let's say you train four hours out the day
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  Speaker 3: hypothetically speaking, let's you do your ring stuff, your cardio,
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  Speaker 3: your weightlifting. Let's say that takes four or five hours
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  Speaker 3: out of your day. You got nineteen and twenty hours
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  Speaker 3: still left in Las Vegas. You got pretty women, you
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  Speaker 3: got gambling, you got food, you got drugs. If you partake,
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  Speaker 3: everything is here for you every day. So Terrence Crawford
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  Speaker 3: training in Nebraska, it makes a lot of sense because, hey,
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  Speaker 3: now a lot of distractions are outside of family, not
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot going on out that way, But in Vegas,
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  Speaker 3: which most guys are hanging out at, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of distraction here, a lot of temptation, especially for younger
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  Speaker 3: guys that have never been out here like that. When
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  Speaker 3: you move out here from wherever you're from, it's a
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  Speaker 3: huge culture shock. It's a huge you know, basically, somebody
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  Speaker 3: spilling water on you and you have no idea where
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  Speaker 3: it came from. Now you got to try to regroup
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  Speaker 3: and figure out everything's gonna fly. It ain't for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It don't work out for everybody, but some people it
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  Speaker 3: does because also things like this too. You're out here,
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  Speaker 3: you probably got a little coint on, you probably made
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  Speaker 3: a little money, so you you're able to enjoy the
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  Speaker 3: things you never have where you're from. So that's why
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  Speaker 3: I always ask that question, because it's very hard staying focus,
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  Speaker 3: especially once you got a little bit of money on you.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really really good point. And I mean, here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. You can be broken Vegas and just you know,
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  Speaker 2: be only live at the gym because what else are
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  Speaker 2: you gonna do? But yeah, if it's not it's never
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  Speaker 2: been a cheap city, and I'm sure it's way less
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  Speaker 2: cheap now to live in training you know, get around.
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  Speaker 2: So uh yeah, it's kind of I would imagine as
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  Speaker 2: a fighter training in Vegas with its history, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's just a super cool thing. It's like
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of like being in the big leagues, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. For for a fighter trading in Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: but but if you are a person who can make
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  Speaker 2: it to the big leagues and you get there, then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how about this, Hey, there's a there's a reason that,
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  Speaker 2: like I only did a couple a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: boxing for fun because I would would never be dedicated
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  Speaker 2: enough to live in Vegas. I just I can't live
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  Speaker 2: in Vegas. Just now as a thirty nine year old band,
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  Speaker 2: I just who has a decent.
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  Speaker 3: Like, here's the thing. Everybody's camps are different. So back
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  Speaker 3: in the day, people training big Beer. Big Beer was
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  Speaker 3: a big place for a lot of boxers training that
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  Speaker 3: for various reasons, get out the way and everything. But
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  Speaker 3: Vegas is at the time, Vegas was very inexpensive, so
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  Speaker 3: you can rent a house out for a very low price.
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  Speaker 3: Cost living was very low and on the outskirts of
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  Speaker 3: Vegas it's pretty quiet. But now now it's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different. It's not so inexpensive. A lot of things
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  Speaker 3: have changed, so I get a lot of sides of it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, things have definitely changed over the years.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So, and taking my original question, of course, you
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  Speaker 2: live in Vegas to see a lot of fighters in Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: but as a whole, do you see boxers as being
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  Speaker 2: more boxers getting into trouble versus NBA players or foot players.
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  Speaker 3: No, because most NBA guys are kind of like socially awkward,
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  Speaker 3: so they do their stuff outside that you don't really
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  Speaker 3: see them outside like that, they'll be ducked off somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: They don't really do a whole lot except boxers, and
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  Speaker 3: even with boxers, like most people of For instance, I'll
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  Speaker 3: give you an example Jay Lean Love, who was on
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  Speaker 3: everybody's under card fight ten years ago, like he was
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  Speaker 3: always on the Floyd under card away BBC, like first
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  Speaker 3: fight of the of the TVs, part of the of
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  Speaker 3: the car even VU before he was after the three
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  Speaker 3: PM fights. But he wasn't so much short of a fight,
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  Speaker 3: but he would be always around like you see see
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  Speaker 3: you know, you see him at Costco, takeout food wherever.
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  Speaker 3: So it was just you didn't see him now, you
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  Speaker 3: didn't really see him out in about partying, but you
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  Speaker 3: saw him out about in general. I think now it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot different because social media and also the younger
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  Speaker 3: people don't necessarily aren't necessarily out and about like that,
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  Speaker 3: Like younger generation is not the same as our generation,
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  Speaker 3: our generation, commember, our duration heard how great Vegas was
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  Speaker 3: from our parents and our people, so it was like
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  Speaker 3: a thing to like, Hey, I can't wait till I
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  Speaker 3: get twenty one, twenty two. I'm gonna go Vegas and
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  Speaker 3: go crazy. This younger generation don't act like that, so
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of different. Now. With that being said, your
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  Speaker 3: temptations are still here no matter if you know whatever,
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  Speaker 3: whatever advice you have, it will get exploited here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So are you saying that Vegas is for the
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  Speaker 2: old heads now? Is that where we are? Well?
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  Speaker 3: I mean old heads, I mean over thirty, that's what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Give you and me old heads, I said, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the older the over twenty eight
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  Speaker 3: crowd for sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting, you know, and again there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things that I'm learning about boxing and boxing culture
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  Speaker 2: that I never really learned before the show because I
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  Speaker 2: always said I only care about what happens in the ring,
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  Speaker 2: like when the bell rings, everything else going on, you know, deals,
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  Speaker 2: press confidence, I've never kid about any of that. But
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  Speaker 2: the culture of where you train is so important for fighters.
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  Speaker 2: That's just wild to me. You know, learning this now
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  Speaker 2: after you know, watching boxing ferbs as long as they're
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  Speaker 2: a live boss.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Louise, think of like this, how many times has
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  Speaker 3: a fighter got beat in the press conference? The corner
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  Speaker 3: and the trainer is like, we should have had a
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  Speaker 3: better camp, We should have had a better camp, We
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  Speaker 3: should have took camp more. Seriously, we start a camp
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  Speaker 3: too late. There's too many breaks in camp, too many
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  Speaker 3: distractions of the camp. Happens often like whenever somebody lose
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  Speaker 3: the fight they should lose. It was like the first
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  Speaker 3: excuse they have less or hurt. But oh, our camp
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  Speaker 3: wasn't as great as it should have been, or we
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  Speaker 3: could have had a better camp, and that all all
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  Speaker 3: that is uh intertwine. How however, you can't have a
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  Speaker 3: great camp here in Vegas. You can do your job,
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  Speaker 3: be ready for fight night. Man. That's not an excuse.
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  Speaker 3: It just comes down to the strong will of the
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  Speaker 3: person and also the person that's remain focused.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my interviews John Ingram, he trained out
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  Speaker 2: of Vegas. Now he actually fights out of Arizona. But
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  Speaker 2: he said he's he's a country boy, so he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: go out like that. He does country things. He likes fishing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of things like that, so kind of
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  Speaker 2: how it keeps his focus and then Daniel Bayle is
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  Speaker 2: from Miami. Kind of the same thing. You know, that's Miami.
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  Speaker 2: I always say, a lot of high flights, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of hot nights. But his take on it was, you
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: grew up here, you just see like a celebrity. He said,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Lil Wayne is just walking down the street. You're like, oh,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: that's a little Wayne. So that kind of was you know,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: you see, yeah, beautiful ladies everywhere, but it's just kind
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: of what your life is. So it's a really really
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: interesting take from these guys who you know, they I
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: admire if I in so many ways, but I also
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I always wonder for their next interview. I got to
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: ask somebody like, when you're that focused you live at
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: the gym, Like, do you feel like you're missing out
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: on partying on the weekends, you know, having a nice
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: you know, so a bunch of fried chicken, some steak, whatever,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Because yeah, I when I was.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Because some people are been on sweets. Some people really
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: crave sweets and like cheesecake and cookies and brownies, et cetera.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Some people are digged to the carbs. Some people love pasta,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Italian food, Chinese.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I was working out like, you know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: six days a week, a couple of hours in the gym,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: but I was doing it so I could stuff my
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: fat face and get hammered on the weekends, you know
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: what I mean. So, but that's just like it's just
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: so different in that mindset of I can't really overdo it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Even one day week chee days are not really that
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: much of a thing. It's just amazing. It's just like
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: an amazing mindset the fighters have. They're almost like space
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: aliens to me. I got without different there. But yeah,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: so please yo, a couple of great interviews. I think
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: about did about twenty twenty five minutes or so with
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: each guy, so it doesn't take up a lot of
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: your time. Millions dot co. Find the Mixed Company podcast there,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: or go to our YouTube channel sorry our YouTube playlist
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: on the nineteen media group channel to check those out.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and one thing, just another thing that I
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: just want to mention. We don't have to get into
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: a whole thing, but tell Fema Lopez and Chris Stevenson
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to fight, are supposed to fight. At the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: beginning of twenty twenty six, the tell Femo saying crap, like, well,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: it's still marinating. It's still like we're figuring it out.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: This file, this of all the people, this fight Putter
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Knucket cancels.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: God damn it him, man, I'm getting tired because he's
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: the one that can make He's the one that can
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: make the fight. Sha Curse. Stevenson is taken a lot
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: of concessions with a lot of guys, and when it
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: comes to fights recently and negotiations or whatnot. Tired of
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: hearing this. I'm tired of the whole excuses. Either you
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: want to fight or you don't. At the end of
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: the day, let's cut the nonsense out. Let's cut the
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: posturing out Let's cut the tweets and all that out.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Either you want to fight or you don't. If you
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: don't want it, it's okay. We need to move on
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: to people who actually want to fight.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, Taylor is the A side, Score is the B side,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: So yes, Chaquor. I feel that Shaquur is more serious
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: about it. I feel I mean, obviously, tail Fe Malopez
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: is a great fighter. He is a very skilled, talented fighter.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Period the return return new paragraph. You know, I'm not
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: gonna knock that there, but I feel that he also
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't take the sport that seriously. He takes this, you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: training and fights it, but the sport as a whole
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: his I guess I could say maybe his responsibility is
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: one of the stars of the sport, you know, one
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: of the faces, one of the big names. Like that
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: means you gotta get your ass out there and get
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: in the ring with guys like there's no you're there's
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: no other things that you do as a boxer, like
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you do social media and stuff like that to promote
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: your fights. Right when we talk about another fighter that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a little later that got into the weeds doing all
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: kinds of other crazy shit, but that's later, this this
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: in this episode. But yeah, I agree, I'm kidding. I'll
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: get a little test. Sometimes he's funny. I'm not gonna lie.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Sometimes tail Field makes me laugh, and sometimes I'm like, bro,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: shut your goddamn out, shut your mouth to get in
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the ring. I just I just hate that the you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the dilly dell and get back and forth. Pick a date.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying that, you know, coming to
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: an agreement to a country, because he's another thing I
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about when it comes to being a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: pro fighter, But I it's easy enough. I feel like
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: they make it harder than that it needs to be.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: It's my ticket exactly, And I'll put it this way.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: When it comes to contracts, majority of the frameworkers already
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: read upon. We're arguing over little things that don't need
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: to be argued about this point, we want to see
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: the fight. November is next week. At that point, we
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: have about sixty ish days left in the year. Once
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: December tenth or thirteen comes around, the last two weeks
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: of the year, no one's shut her out in anyway,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: So we got about six more weeks in this year,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: and then once the first week of January comes, we're
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: on to a new year. So we need to figure
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: something out sooner than later. We don't need this drug.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Kids been going off for a whole year. Basically, this
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: whole tumming pools went off for this whole calendar year.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It's a waste of time. We need fights, we need
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: anticipation going to the next year. We need that as
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: a sport. It has to happen. But we'll see, we'll see.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. You know, it's gonna
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: be the end of the year like that, we're gonna
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: be talking, We're gonna be making Christmas plans like that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and this year, well, of course we'll do
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in a sort of an end of year review. But
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: like I feel like this year had just a lot
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of dilly delling back and forth about lots of fights.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Like Candella Crawford was kind of sucked the air out
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: of the room. But if you look back, I mean
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: it was always stop and start with this tale specifically,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: you know, supposedly maybe Ryan blah blah blah, and man,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to get down on the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: sport because I love it so much. But that's kind
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: of why I've been doing a lot of you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: checking out different places that have different fights. We talked
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: about over time boxing recently. You know, I just I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: just want to see fights. I want to see talented
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: people get into the damn ring, and you know, it
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: kind of relying on you know, the the bigger names
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to get off the damn couch and do their jobs.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: So anyway, another thing that's a little bit uh maybe
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: frustrating and uh, you know, kind of disconcerting about the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: boxing world. I'm gonna have a bit of a longer
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: conversation here about Dana White and his his role in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the boxing world. You know, we talked about at about
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Some things have been going on with
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: him trying to get into the boxing world, but his
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: way in the Saudi's way. So let's see, let's start here.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So Dana White has a company called Zoofo Boxing's the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: UFFA that's owned by TKO Holdings. TKO also owns UFC
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: WW and it's backed by the Sadis. So big money,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: big like the like. These are serious people. This is
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: serious money that you know is getting involved in boxing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: But apparently Dana White doesn't just want to jump in
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: throw his head into the ring. Pun intended his his
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: plan this this whole I guess which you'll enterprise. His
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: plan is to do it by changing the safeguards, legal safeguards,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: federal safeguards in boxing, specifically under the Muhammad Ali Act
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: of two thousand. So this is kind to drive me
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: crazy because I've been reading a lot about this. There's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of back and forth. You know, the Mohammad
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: le Act, it was created to protect the rights of boxers. Okay,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: it was intended to reduce corruption. There's a lot of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: things that it does, you know, get in some details,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: but it's not perfect. Boxing has never been for Boxing
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: has basically been probably one of the most corrupt sports ever,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: but it's something and some things, whether they're not enforceable,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: they're good ideas. Right. Dana White and his you know cohorts,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: they're very heavily involved in involved with with politics with
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: this administration specifically, they're there is a Muhammad Ali Revival
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Act which actually tries to gut a lot of these
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: protections and I'm not very happy about it. There's a
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: lot of people in the sport not very happy about
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: it either. To want to get your take before we
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: get into Louise Jamison of where we stand right now
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: with this.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: So ironically, I've said often on our show that Floyd
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: made whether they're ruined boxing, well, he also helped boxing
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: a lot as well. Mean that fighters are able to
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: get paid their net, their their fair share, they're able
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to make you know, they're able to you know, they're
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: able to make a profit on their skill set. Some
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: fighters are not paid more than they probably should have,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: but hey, that's what the sport was due to Floyd.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Floyd drove the money up some Oflar, how Tiger Woods
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: drove up in golf and other athletes and other sports.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: That being said, they're trying to ruin that now. They
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: are trying to tear all that down. Whenever you have
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: people from outside trying to come in, it's basically like
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: a private equity firm coming in and trying to take
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: over get involved. They have no concern for the sport
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: itself or the boxer itself. They're trying to maximize the
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: value of each and every fight and whatever happens to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: the fighters, if happens. The issue with the UFC, the
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: reason why we don't know a lot of the stars
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: because I don't get paid that much. Dana White and
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: UFC takes a lot of the money. They control all
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: of the money. Boxing isn't like that. If they're trying
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: to get boxing to get like UFC, it will not work.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: It will not work. That's not what we're here for
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and it shouldn't be like that. However, we are trending
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: that way. Until boxers step up and speak out, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I got some actual stats here for you to get
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a reaction from you. In UFC. Specifically, the athletes usually
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: have about eighteen percent of the revenue share. Okay, boxers
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: can be as high as eighty percent.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Here's another thing. UFC fighters they cannot have personal sponsorship deals.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: They're not allowed. Boxers can, of course they can. You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: they can put whoever they want and they're on their
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: boxing trunks and you know, Canelo's out here doing I
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: saw Canelo doing a corocial for for that Lord of
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the Rings TV show for Amazon and Spanish, like I guess,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: like the promoted in Mexico or something, which is kind
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: of ridiculous but makes sense, you know, huge Mexican celebrity.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, like you said, it's top down
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: with UFC. Dana White is at the top of the
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: chain and most of the money goes there. Here's the thing.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You don't go into boxing and wanting to like impose
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: your own model. That's in a very different sport, completely
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: different ways it up here. MMA Mixed Martial arts is
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the style of fighting. UFC is the promotional company. Like
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: people just say UFC because that's that's like, I think
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: it has ninety percent market share in MMA, right right,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: because who the hell else I wouldn't even know any
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: other protia company for for mixed martial arts. I don't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: know if you've ever heard of one. Yeah, so you
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: know they're the big game and they here's the thing.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I'll even go ahead and be be generous and say,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Daniel White, credit to you for you know, doing this
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and setting up the UFC in your in your own
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: way to benefit you because you're the big guy. You're
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the big man on campus. You can't do that shit
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: at boxing just because you know, you know, you're you're
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: friendly with whatever administration is currently in power at any
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: given time. You know what I'm saying, Like, you can't
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: do it because you're also had connections with the Saudi's
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and you want to completely change these these regulations that
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: here's the thing, boxing is so corrupt the federal government
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: had to get involved in. Say, we're the fans and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: we think this is fucked.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Up, right, right, right, right, Yeah, it's not a good idea,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: though it's not there's other ways things can be done that,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: ain't it?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Do you know?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Do you know what a big, big reason for the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Ali Act was in the nineties, Jameson that we've talked
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: about before on the show.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of guys that they might took by
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the promoters. A lot of guys were in the up
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: bro Unfortunately it was one of them, but Mike Tyson
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: had to take Don keying in the quart a couple
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: of times. You know, there's a lot of boxers that
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: have complained of foul play from the promoters and the
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: two Bangs promoter for Don King and Bob Aarrow. So
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: there you go.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the one one major thing that I like. Here's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the thing. There's a lot of aspects of the l
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: E Act that I never knew about. One thing that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I always knew was that it keeps distance between the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: promoter and the manager, right, can't be the same guy.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Because that was Don King's issue is that his nephew,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: he was a promoter done his nephew was the manager
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: and they had to sign with both guys. So that
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: was that was That's how a lot of dudes are
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: getting their money taken.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: And also for those that are out there who ever
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: get a little bit of money, never have your manager
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and the agent be repped by the same company. It
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: doesn't work out well, you know, or the the agent
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and the finance company be on the same office that nah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, so that's one very specific thing. And here's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the thing. People who are still try to get away
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: with that shit, you know, try to do shady deals
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: of just like you know, oh, I'm your manager, this promoter,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonnact that he's just my buddy that I've
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: known for you know, since we were kids, or here's
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: my neighbor or whatever. You know, they try to skirt
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: it already. Even though the ELIAC is a good.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Idea, it's a very good idea, and we don't need
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: deregulation in terms of sports. We don't need that. We
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: need we need the rules to say, the rules. There's
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: no need to loosen them up, no need for change.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Let's yeah, I think we should keep things as they
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: are and go from there.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Agreed. And here's the problem. I don't think the issues
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that the very real issues with the li A because
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: it's not perfect, is that you know, enforcing is difficult,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: et cetera. The way to fix this issue is not
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: more deregulation, you know, it's to find better ways to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: address those problems. I don't think anybody, anybody serious, anybody
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: who really cares about boxing, the sport, the safety of
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the fighters, the welfare and them being taken take advantage of.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody really who really cares about that
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: has an issue with the provisions in the l E Act.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I think it is all it's the same bullshit that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: we hear all the time from you know, the government
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: of well, this is going to help competition, this is
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: going to help innovation, this is going to help you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it's just helping to help me will make more more money.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Let's be let's call it what it is.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So that's my biggest issue with it. There's no real
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: need for it. It's just likely to happen because we've
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: got the people with the money, with the right connections,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: we have the ability to push this through. So now
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: that the the ALI Revival Act, which is the new
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: crappy one, it is not currently passed through through Congress.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It has to be past House Senate, be signed by
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the President. Okay, that has not happened. I don't see
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that happening probably this year with you know, we don't
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: have it. We don't even have a government right now
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: as of this recording. As if this show in October
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: at twenty twenty five, at the moment, we don't have one.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: So but here's the thing. You know, there's plenty of time,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and it's I feel like it's just a matter of
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: time if more and more fighters don't speak out, more
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: people involved. Hell, there was a time in twenty sixteen
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: when a Mark way Mullen, I don't remember if he
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: was a senator. I don't remember. He's a senator or
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: a representative, but he's a former actual former MMA fighter.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: He tried to apply the lact not just to boxing
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: the UFC, and UFC lost their goddamn minds, right. They
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: threw at Randy Couture, an MMA star was trying to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: speak up against it. In UFC are like, we're we
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: don't want this guy involved in any of the talks
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: because they know that he's he's for the fighters, because
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the former fighter himself. Right, So this is just this
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: is a shit show. I mean, they're trying to spin
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: this as like now, I will say, the way that
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: they're trying to package this is that it's good for
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the fighters and give some freedom to choose, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: where and how they compete. They actually have I got
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: this here, a minimum pay of one hundred and fifty
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: dollars per round, which some states have less, some things
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: don't even have. So okay, like that's cool, and you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: know that's that's a that's a good idea on paper.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it can't.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Come with all of these other you know, gutting of
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the of the l EXL.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: But that doesn't help the guys we know. That only
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: helps the guys that fight in the small fights in
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: small towns. That doesn't help anyone fight that's fighting on
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: TV or fighting on stream. One fifty round doesn't know.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: It doesn't help anything.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. You can always just make that change.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: You can always just make a you know, specific change
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to the minimum pay per round. That's perfectly fine. There's
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: nothing that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: You don't want a minimum pay around. Because what happened
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: is guys will the guy that's beating up the guys
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: just trying to hang around. Now you have fights that
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: are born, there should still be a flat fee. If
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: someone's giving you twenty grand for the fight, then that
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: show that show that sho cut. You get one hundred
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: grand for the fight, then that show cut. Once you
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: start having a minimum going around, tricky things get weird.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Now we start overanalyzed and things. We've been just fine
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: without that. We don't that we don't need it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: That's fair, you know, I've I've never I've never had
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: an issue with minim wage period for anything. But I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: can I can see your side of it. I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: also what we can, what people can do, is innovate.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: We talked a few episodes ago about overtime sports. They
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: have things like knockout bonuses, and then they have knockout
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: bonuses for the first and the last round, so fights
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: start exciting and then end exciting.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I think you have knock out bonus in general,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: just have that as a part of the pot. I
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: think that would meant for a lot more interesting fights.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: But also, like, here's the thing too, If if you
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: knock somebody out within the first four rounds, your bonus
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: is higher. So let's say the bonus is twenty grand,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: we knock somebody out the first four rounds, it's fifty grand,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think the old are
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: things where we can we can enhance excitement. But honestly, Louise,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you just want to see good fights. I think they
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: we want to see good fights that don't have any
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: bs to that. That's all I think that's all really want.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Whatever it takes to get there, we'll deal with. We
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: just don't want to know shanigans. I think that's the
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: biggest thing out of everything.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Sure, And like I said earlier, yeah, I love this
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: sport more than most things in the world. And I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: don't believe that Dana White has the integrity of the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: sport in mind. You know, you say what you will
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: about the Saudi's, you know, coming in with money and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to uh getting into to a lot
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: of different thing sports and concerts and comedy shows to
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: kind of offset their human rights abuses. But what Turkeylo
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Shake did is he was putting together big fights and
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: he was giving people, you know, putting people together. It
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: took a lot of extra money. I believe he did
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: say that Canela Crawford had a knockout bonus as well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: not that even though those dudes need the damn money,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: especially you know, even after the actual payment they were
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: going to get from the fight. But things can be
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: done to make better this. This is not it, you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: i't me give you some more. Get your thoughts on
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: another specific thing that this new act is trying to do.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: So they're trying to create what's called UBOs unified boxing organizations,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: so they're alternative from the sanctioning bodies, so they have
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: their own rankings, their own belt and there's not as
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: many regulations. Now we've all already talked about the sanctioning bodies,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the commissions. WOWBC, they have their issues. But is this
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: really like going to be a benefit to have a
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: completely separate, little linear, top down organization.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: No, no, it won't. Like the more people you have
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: in the kitchen, the worse it gets. We need a
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: boxing commissioner that oversees everything that get people on the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: same page, or at least get some sort of organization.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Right now, every federation has its own rules. Everybody's kind
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: of flying by the seat of their pants. Everything is
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: a freestyle. I'm not a big fan of that. I
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: think that the sport deserves more organization. I think that
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: there's too much money involved for it to be this scatter. However,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: some of the money might not be on up and up,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: so maybe we're opening up a can of worms we
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: don't even open up. I don't know, but it feels
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: like boxing is a so unorganized and it the the
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: overall direction of it just no one knows because there's
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: no set plan, there's no set direction, So it just
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: feels like we're all just kind of waiting to see
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: what the next announcement. Instead of oh, okay, it's November,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: we know this, this and that's happening. It's it's a
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: really worse spot right now.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you go back to a couple episodes ago,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: right before the Canelo Crawford fight, you know, we spoke
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to legendary sports commentator Al Bernstein. He was talking about
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: how it's the way he described as how boxing is.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: If you have the United States States without a federal
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: government with any rules, that's kind of how boxing is.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Everybody's kind of doing their own thing this and that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: But like, I think this would be worse because now
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you're not just kind of trying to regulate it in
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: terms of you know, fighter protection, whatever fairness, et cetera.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You're just kind of like setting up one dude at
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the top to do whatever the hell he wants with
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: no real like oversight and just make their own rules
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and have the money flow however they want it. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I think that's like that's part of the actual problem
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: that the problems that we have now in boxing, that's
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: more of that problem, just in a different way.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I think, Man, you don't want at the end of
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: the day, boxers for what they do to their bodies
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: and for what they do to put on a show.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Whenever they perform. They should be in control of where
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: the money goes, what goes on with the money, et cetera,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: et cetera.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Right, And here's the thing. I we talked about Randy
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Catuur being you know, a big, a big star in
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: MMA and UFC. You know, kind of broke out of that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: But for somebody who did did not follow UFC, Like
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I learned who he was because he was in that
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: first Expendables movie as one of the dudes. It was
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: like they had a slice the loan and like adult
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: luneleriness and then Randy Catuur. I'm like, oh, I guess
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: he must be a big deal in UFC. But that's
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: like he None of these guys, like you said, are
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: able to go mainstream. The other guy I know is
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: uh Frands is the Ghano because he actually beat uh
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Tyson Fury in a fight and got robbed by that decision.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Just justice for Frands is the goddamn but anyway, Yeah,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I mean this is uh sorry, I don't mean to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: be kind of rambling, but there's just so many ins
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and outs of this, uh you know, this attempt to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: get this act that it's not going to be good.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: We can we can say this, I can say this,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and in a more concise way, is that gutting the Muhammallik,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the the the Ali Revival Act would be bad for
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the sport. Having Dana White take his UFC model and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: apply it to boxing would be bad for the sport.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Now I know that there are a boxes out there
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: with who would love to have an opportunity. Dana what
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: is a name? He's uh we talked before how how
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: much we had like seven billion dollars for UFC on
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Paramount plus they also tossed a few bucks to ZUFA Boxing,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: so we will have fights on there as well. That's cool.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, credible credits due. Let's
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: have more fights available people to watch, more fights for
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: young fighters like the dudes I interviewed millions to you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: get their names out there. I'm sure being told you're
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: going to sign with this guy who's the biggest deal
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: in the world in combat sports, and he's going to
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: get you on, you know, in a ring on on
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: a TV like that's exciting. I wouldn't fault anybody for
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: thinking that it's a good idea to sign the Data White.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Let's be very clear about that, right. But Yeah, one
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: of the final things I want to say on this
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: is see I got a quote here. Look Thomas co
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: host of the show Morning Combat. He said, what does
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: it say about a law's ability to prevent monopoly if
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a monopoly from another industry won't enter the space until
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: they can get the rules helping to prevent the monopoly
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: over And that's what it is. I mean, you want
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to get into boxing, data cool, join join the group here.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Don't say I'm gonna I have to do it my
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: way because that's the only way I'm gonna gonna invest
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: in the sport. I think that's to be honest, right,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: what's your take on that? And whether how about this?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: If Data Wait cannot get this act revoked or at
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: least cut it or whatever it is, can we expect
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to still see him in the boxing world.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: He's gonna hang around because he deals with Turkey. Uh Turkey,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: So he's gonna hang around. But he's gonna try every
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: which way to make money off the fight, and it's
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: only gonna be the big fights. It's not gonna be
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: the small ones. It's gonna be the big, big fights.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: He ain't gonna be on the ones that are only
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: on his own only ain't gonna happen. He's not here
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: for that. He's not, so he's gonna be around. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: just don't think it's gonna get done. I think boxers
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: have been too satisfied in the ways that they've made
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: and they don't want to go away from that. I
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: don't think they want to go away from that. And
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: things are already weird now with how many times they
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: fight a year. So yeah, I don't see anything changing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't see Dana White being able to
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: bully himself in the boxing. I don't see it, okay.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Uh And yeah, you know, the a lot of the
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: people in boxing like the way it is, and Oscar
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Deloye has spoken out against Dana White, but Oscar is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: not fighting anymore. Like we're talking about young guys who
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: want to make a name for themselves and they, you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Dana White is is a known property. You know, I'm
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: more kind of worried about that is that you're kind
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: of taking the uh the guys who have a lot
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: of a lot of going for them, get them into
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the system where they're signing these contracts that are going
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: to screw them over, not going to make the money
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: that they that they should be making. And we already
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: have a problem not just with people fighting as often
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: or not are infrequently, we also have a problem with
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: young guys trying to make a name for themselves and
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: getting out there. You know, we talked about how social
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: media is essential to I think it's essential as a
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: pair of boxing gloves for young guys these days because
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: there's so many names out there and it's hard to
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: break through. So are we going to have you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a bunch of Dana White uh uh boxers that are
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: like UFC guys that nobody's heard of, that the general
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: you know, public doesn't know by name. That sucks, don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: think so? No, I think that's the worry, and that's
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: what I really hope, you know. Just I have no
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: problem with Dana putting getting his mits into into professional
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: box That's not what I'm saying here, But to do
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: it with all of this baggage and all of the
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Saudi money trying to do this specifically to this act.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's beast for the sport and I really
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: think that they should not be passing UH through covers.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: So that's my take. Anyway, any other thoughts on this
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: before we uh?
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Good?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh. That's that's Luis's rant for the day.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to uh. Speaking of people
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: fighters that have made their name in the mainstream that
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: are well known by most people, and even they don't
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: follow box. Let's get into many Pakiao. We are going
• 42:05
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• 42:08
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• 42:11
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• 42:58
  Speaker 2: about a documentary from fourteen called Many about of course,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: none other than Mini Paccio, one of the greatest fighters
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: of all time, my bad, one of the greatest fighters
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of all time, Jamison, What did you think of this documentary.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Let's get some initial thoughts from you before we get
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: into I.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Forgot how big a starr he actually was, like watching
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. Obviously I knew he how big he was,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: but he was an actual superstar in this country. And
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: it's very rare for a non American to be a
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: superstar in this country. It's very rare. It's not possible,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: but it's very rare. And his prime, he was must
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: watch TV. He was loved by a lot of fans,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: casual and fanatics. He was different. He was different, hell
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: of a prime, hell of a run. Yeah, and I
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: maybe go back. I remember Funk Morales a few times
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: in like the mid two thousands. It was like a big,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: big fight, like a big, big deal. And I also
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: didn't realize that obviously he's Filipino. Whenever a boxer from
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: a country like that, the whole country gravitateds for that boxer.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: And yeah, man pak Yaw was for the stoop star
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: he had in this country. He was much bigger overseas
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: as well, and he was good. But on the show
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of times it's interesting that people gravitated towards him.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Because Floyd would go the distance in his fights, pack
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Yew would get people out of here quick. So you
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: think of how he fought Oscar basically got Oscar out
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: of here. Floyd didn't fought Riggy Hatton. He got rig
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: ated Riggy Hatton out of here quickly. Floyd didn't, you know,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: so a lot around that time it was known why Hey,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: pack Ow's the much easier watch per se, but it
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: was all all it was really good, really really really good.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: H doc.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely like the PAQW. Mayweather eras like the
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: time that I can last you remember is when a
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: boxer kind of broke out of just being known by
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: boxing fans. You know, I feel like, because like everybody
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: knew who the hell both of these guys were right
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and I feel like they knew it, even though even
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: if they have never seen a match. I think that's
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: kind of the last time that I don't know. I
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: don't know that a lot of people know Canelo if
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: they even if they've never seen a boxing match, A
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: lot of Mexican outside maybe outside of Mexicans. I don't
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: know what you think.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: People have heard his name for so long that they
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: know of him, but it's not the same superstar feel people.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Pacquiao felt like a superstar. Canl is one, but it
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: don't feel that way, if that makes sense, not in
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: the same way pak Yao was. Pak Yao was a
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: superstar and it felt that I mean, hell pa, a
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Nike deal, all kinds of Yeah, he was. It was different.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: It was way way different.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and got to give credit to him. You know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm Mexican American, but you know that Manny Pacia
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: was the mexicane or one guy after another, you know,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: he uh Mexican Mexican boxing star. I got knocked down,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: knocked out, beaten by Manny. And And here's the thing,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Mexicans like the two. They still too did to watch
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: their favorites get you know, get pubbled fighting style.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: They love this fighting style. However, we know what happened.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: We know what happened the one Mexican he could not
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: get by.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's it took to the fourth fight because
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Did have a lot of questionable things that happened a
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: lot of questionable decisions and whatnot when you go back
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: and watch those fights, a lot of questionable things that's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: in place, but neither here nor there.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I remember correctly, and they did mention in
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the document But you know, my brain is Mushie's mushly
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: by the But I think he I think many won
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: all three fights, but definitely least one was a very
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: very controversial decision. Maybe the third one it was like
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: it was one of those like, hey, are we looking
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: at the same thing here? You know, you could say, well,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe he should have won this run one
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: of that. I believe the vibe around number three was
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Benny did not win that fight. That was a gift
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: So quickly.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and what's this documentary starts with the famous knockout,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: which is wild, and it ends, it starts and ends
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: and book it's bookended by that fight. So it's also
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: hilarious that near the end this isn't a spoiler because
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: it's the man's life, but right at the very end,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: you know, they they they close out the documentary with
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the Marquez four fight and the you know, classic punch
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: that gets Manny on the chin plays and they play
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: some you know, some little footage here when he was younger,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: that shot boom plays again, bra go to the Brah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: But I think like four times I got I'm sorry,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I was cackling. I was like, man, this is this
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: is Manny's documentary. Why are you ending with him getting
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: slept for like four times in a row. But that
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: was fun. But yeah, there's another crazy thing that it
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: didn't really again we're worldheads were washed, and you know,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: you think back at all this time that we all
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the things that we know and learn about boxing so far,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: this documentary is from twenty fourteen and the Mayweather back
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: and forth. You know, is this fight going to happen?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: The fights in the media, you know, the arguments in
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: the media, that's a part of it, But the fight
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: itself happened in twenty fifteen, so it's not a part
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: of this documentary. So it was wild to see this
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: because we just think back. I'm like, yeah, they fought
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: like around this time, you know where this was at.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But no, we're seeing a picture of what it was
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: like before that, and it ran me like that was
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: it took forever to make that fight. There was some
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you know, back and forth about this, this is not
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: doing the drug test, it's cheating here, blah blah blah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: You you sit down and watch this in theaters at
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: the time, you still might not know if that fight
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: is happening. You know, I don't know exactly when it
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: was announced. So that was wild to me because it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: just the thing that we just know, like Mayweather, I'm
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: packing up fought and that's that, you know what I mean,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: right right right.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: It's like it was so the first j m In
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: fight was a draw. So it was a draw, two
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: questionable decisions, and then the infamous knockout. So that's what
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: made it. That's what you got four. If you beat
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: God three times in earl, you're not getting fourth to one.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: That's not happening. But the lot the middle too, were
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: so highly contested they had to fight again.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a really good point as well. Yeah,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I uh, it's wild that number. You never see so
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and so, you know the fourth so and so over
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: and so and so in the fourth fight. Like it's
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: all trilogies. Everybody's trilogy is obsessed. I blame Lord of
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the Rings, that blame Star Wars. Even with movies, everybody
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: has to make a trilogy. You can just make two
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: or four things. That's fine, right, I bought a box
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: seat with like seven Nightmare on Elm Streets, Like, don't
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: worry about a trilogy. But whatever. But that's that is.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Bradley did not win that fight, by the way, Timothy
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Bradley did not beat him.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I remember at due time. I remember in real time,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Timothy Bradley not win that fight.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's in here as well. That and they did
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: bring up the fact that Timothy Bradley won by decision.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I think, oh split decison, yeah, not unanimous, but still yeah. Yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: So you know, Manny is as great as he was,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: you know, he was not. It's always it's never not
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: been a thing where somebody can look at a fight
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: and go robbery. You know, I don't know enough to say,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: you know why it was or what happened or what's
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes, but it is just the
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: thing that that's always going to be the thing boxing. You know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: there was a remember when there was some hubbub that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: we even talked about in the show. I don't know
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: if it was early this year, last year when they
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: were talking about AI judges because that was going to
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: fix boxing. Yeah, that's that's a terrible idea. Never use
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: AI judges. That's so stupid. But it feels like now
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: like what happened, Like people were like, wouldn't shut up
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: about ah Ai scoring AI judges. Maybe there's one fight
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: with that's actually going to be uh, have the AI
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: judges be like binding? And now no, just went out
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: the window. I guess everybody realized that people just wanted
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: AI for porn and that kind of went everything was
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: one out the window. Hey man, let's be real. That's
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: one of these guys talking about you know, they got
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: AI girlfriends now and they talk to the to the
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: robot like their their boyfriends or girlfriends. That's what it's
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: all about. It is very scary, yes, but at the
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: end of the day, I'd rather people use it for that,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: which is what they really wanted, then to bring it
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: into all these other places like.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I mean with boxing, you need the human element in there.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: You need someone to be able to dictate how a
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: fight is scored and judged. So yeah, we can. We
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: can't take that away.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But heading back to bringing back to Manufacure, one
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: another thing that I learned about him is just how
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: he had his fingers and all these other pies. I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: guess he'd say he was a politician in the Philippines.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: That I know about him, but I didn't know that
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: he attempted a singing career, that he was in terrible
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: action movies, I talk a lot about how fighters get
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: high on their own supply and they're trying to, you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: do all this other stuff and they get a little
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: taste of fame. Because another thing they show is that
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: just how he grew up in like like poverty, Like
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: that man grew up hungry as a child. Like So
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: you become a superstar and make a lot of money,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you think, well, I can do absolutely anything, and when
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: you have enough money, there's not enough people around you
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: to tell you, no, don't do that.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: That's correct.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: So that was that was wild to me kind of
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: seeing all the other stuff we did apart from being
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I knew boxing and politician and that's all I knew
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: that he was involved. But yeah, he's he was doing
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: like music videos like it was him, actual footage of
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: him in the recording studio trying to say, like I
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: can't sing for crap, and I can say many.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: You played trying to play basketball.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: That's right. They didn't bring in a movie, but I
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: remember this scene.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: That reason why, it's reason why, it's the reason why
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: they didn't bring that up.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, So.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: That's why.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't follow basketball, you're the box of
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: basketball fan. Then I need to know how far did
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: this get? Like what what.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Actually started his own league out there okay, or his
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: own team in the league whatever, But yeah, he physically
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: participated in basketball professional league out there in Philippines. Okay,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: And like you said, since he was a powerful Norman'll
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: say nothing.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And so did that like did he just fizzle out?
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Did he actually like.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Tried yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Obviously he probably lost a ship out of money on it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: And then just yeah, yeah, that's hilarious.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: No, I completely forgot about that. But I didn't know
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: that that he I just didn't know what it looked like.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Or you know, yeah, I mean the man for all
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: of his faults and for all of his uh mismanaging
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: his career and money. You know, like I said, it
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: was a super star. It was. It's amazing just seeing
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: footage of the people in the Philippines and when he fought.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Like another thing I knew was that like that whole
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: place stopped, Like the Philippines just shut down during a
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Manu Pacio fight. Yeah, it was really cool seeing like
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: footage of people watching the fights. You know, there's conflict
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: there with like separatists and the military, blah blah blah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Like there they said there is a cease fire during
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Manny Pachil fights. People are not shooting, right, So just amazing.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you this because my man has
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: been you know, famous for I guess a couple of decades.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: You know, he's coming. He came back recently in the
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: news and you know, the goal is to get as
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: many young fans into boxing. I don't know, there's probably
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that know Manny's name, maybe reputation,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: but if they've never actually saw some fight, maybe they
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: heard that this old man is back this year to
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: the body of fight. Do you think this documentary gives
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: a good picture for somebody that does not know this
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: man is just getting into boxing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely no, I think it does a very good
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: job of that. I think it broke down everything the
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: way it needed to be. It's something that if you
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: showed a non fight fan, if you showed them, that'd
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: be very interesting. And they do more research on him.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: That's how good it was. It's just it lacks some
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: context though. I wish it had a couple other parties
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: to kind of dissect a little bit of some things
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: that happened. But most part it did pretty well.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I agree. Did There was a jump scare in here
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: when Marky Mark was one of the interviewees, like, I
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: know he's a boxing fan and him and Jeremy Piven,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, again.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: That's how popular man he was in mid two thousands.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean, I here's the thing. I I
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: kind of get why they did it. They got Markey
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Mark and Jeremy Piven, one racist and one sex best allegedly,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we don't need that. We don't need them
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: in this. We need more.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: You got to remember he wasn't Anti Mayweather. He was
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: the guy, so you didn't like Floyd. You like Pack.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: So if you're not a Floyd Mayweather fan, you were
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: a Pack fan and then you got more exciting fights
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: and you know, more knockouts and blah blah blah. So
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: you know, gravitating towards Pack, you out for various reasons.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so what's and what's the reason for that? You
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: know again, I just I love fights. I love watching
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the reason why I okay, that's fair. We can we
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: can make it a little explicit in say of people
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: don't want to follow black fighter. That's fine. Yeah, uh,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if there was more to it than that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: I guess you know, you know what it is.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I get a razor, is something that works.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: That's when Floyd went from pre boy Floyd to money
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: to money Mayweather. And when that change happened, that pissed
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: off a lot of white people or a lot of
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: people in general, but especially a lot white people. They
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: didn't like that. Everything he talked about was money, Mohney,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: he had, how much money was getting that That turned
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of people off, and they went toward Pakiao,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: who was getting taking advantage of by Bob Aaron all
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: those years. So yeah, but many.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Wasn't white either, So like, what what was the reason?
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I guess white? The reason you hold black people so much?
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: You know, the reason a black guy that's dominant and
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: bragging about how dominant is while making the most money
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: athletes can make it a year every year for like
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: a five year stretch. Yeah, yeah, people are gonna feel
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: some kind of way that's fair.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I'm not arguing the point obviously,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Like I know that there's a lot of racism, initiative
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: race in the sport and an infend that's a lot
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: of what this Why were the Mixed Company podcast? I
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: was just wondering if there was just other aspects to
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: it that maybe I missed out on. Okay, Alkham's razors.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one, gotcha, gotcha?
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: No?
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, hey, look these both both these guys are
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: are amazing fighters, and both you know, diserre respect whatever.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: And again, whatever Floyd talked about or did outside the ring,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I never gave a shit, Like I never that just
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: never really like entered into my mindset. I was like,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: before that bell rings, nothing matters to me. That's the
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: kind of fight fan I've always been honestly, And that's what, Uh,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: that's part of why I love doing the show, is
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: just learning so much about the culture around it, you know,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the the audience reaction around it. But yeah, it was
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: kind of wild. Like, I Floyd comes up in the less,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I kin don't know twenty minutes of this, he just
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: pops up and I was like, oh, dam, it's like
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: a special guest star in this thing. Like because again,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: you know, this was before that fight. I didn't realize
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: that it was going to be. Uh, they're going to
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: bring it into They're gonna factor it into this documentary.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: They weren't tied to each other for basically a decade,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: from the mid two thousands to when they fought, and
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: even beyond, they were tied to each other. I would
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: say from seven to fifteen. You couldn't hear wowing out
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: the other's name being mentioned.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned before that that fight was ten
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: years ago, now that it was late then, so you know,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Brian Pachez was twenty.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Years And the weirdest, the weirdest thing is this, they
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: both fought the same guys. Both both fought Bosley, both
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: fight Codo. If I'm not mistaken, both fought Hattan, so
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, that's why it was. The ring around
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: the Rosie thing was so weird because they all end
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: up fighting the same guys as some random wort one
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: way or another.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I guess that was it was inevitable
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: kas Yeah, yeah, they did be my kids.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember Floyd's came back from retirement
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: to fight Marquez and pitched the shutout. That's how good
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: he was in that fight.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yep, I do remember that. So yeah, yeah,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, we're uh, this era of
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: boxing is very fascinating. It's amazing. You know, you got
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: two big superstars, two faces of the sport again, two
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: people that completely transcended just boxing, like it wasn't just
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: sports fans, and it doesn't. You're right, it doesn't feel
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: the same today, And I gotta wonder, like, who are
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: we going to ever see that again? You know, somebody
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: that just.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: There's no one the possibility because star can be born
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: every day, any day, but we whoever that person is,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: they're not currently boxing, if that makes sense. That person
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: is not yet established in the sport. I don't think
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: you have a current guy become the guy like that.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: It had to be somebody coming out of nowhere becoming
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: a guy carrying that on and going from there.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: I think Budd was ten years younger. If Bud was
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty eight, toy different discussion. If Earl Spence didn't,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: you know, have alcohol and driving issues, maybe we have
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: a different conversation. But yeah, nah no.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's very that's very fairy thing to say.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll end off on something that's completely ridiculous
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: in a while that you know, we're we're about thirty nine,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: and if we if we had seen we lived through
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: this era, and you know, this documentary could be a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: way to introduce if we had our children, our own
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: children to this, we're old enough to get into boxing
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: and learn about this, because I mean, I don't know
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I'm old enough to have an eighteen year old if
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I really, I don't have.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: I have friends that have kids going to college or
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: the same age. So you do the math.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm thirty nine, I'm just
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: the kids though, Why would I have another kid myself?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe eighteen if you got a kid, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: That's well. So anyway, So for those of you all
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: that are watched like Being Jamison, you know this is
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: you want to introduce your kids to Manypacao. This documentary
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: from twenty fourteen, and we should mention directed by Ryan
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Moore and Leon Gast and Leon Guest has been on
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: the show before because he directed the When We Were
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Kings documentary about Muhammed Ali that we've talked about on
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: the show. Also an amazing, amazing the documentary that's available
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: in the Criterion collection. But yeah, this this one, this
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: many one available for free on tub with ads so
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: you don't have to pay for it. And it's definitely
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: recommend if you're interested in an era of boxing that's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: just about this ner boxing that might come again someday
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: but definitely is not today. In the last let's say
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: like ten years, this era of boxing, it's there's been
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: nothing like it.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Uh So on the show we rate any films that
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: we talked about at a four gloves Jamison, how would
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: you rate this document.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: That's a four by the film itself, So it was
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: done well, it was playing well. Uh it would age
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: will also some when I was done ten plus years ago.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: I'll go to full four just by all the things
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: that took place. It fit the if, fit the need
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: for what it was. If that makes sense.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Yep, No, absolutely, there'sn't there. Actually I realized after I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: picked this one, there's another documentary. I think it's called
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Manipety Unstop Before. I'm just gonna watch it for fun,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: just to see. I mean the sure, there's probably a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff that's gonna be repeated, but yeah, it's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: just it makes me, uh, just makes you want to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: learn even more about this guy that you know, we
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: all know a lot about. So I'm gonna go I'm
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: gonna go three point seventy five because I cannot get
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: over the Markie Mark jump jump scare in this movie
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: and the Jeremy Piven h jump scare with like fake
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: hair that because we know that man was bald until
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: he figured that out upstairs with the with the with
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: the hair plugins. But so three point seven to five,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: but very good documentary, just fast forward thing, Markey Marcus talking,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: You'll be fine, all right, Jamison bricking. People find you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: on so.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Media at Twitter, on at V Jamison Excellent.
• 1:03:04
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