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5 - Elimination Chamber Week 2026 · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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Hello, welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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podcast. I am Pete.
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Evening. I'm Luke.
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We are your two man announce team taking you through this
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week's fantastic episode. Luke, how are you doing?
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Very well. It's been a big week, hasn't it?
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It's been an Elimination Chamber.
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I think the WrestleMania cards definitely starting to take
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form, especially after watching Raw.
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We'll no doubt talk about that and I am feeling good ready as
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I've had to go hydrated. I've got my water good to go.
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I love what you're saying that, you know, this will be our fifth
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episode of Sigmets and Suplexes. We obviously started at the
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beginning of February with a sort of a look back at the Royal
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Rumble week, and here we are one month later looking at
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Elimination Chamber week. But as usual, we will of course
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be looking not just at the past week in professional wrestling
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but also diving into sports entertainment nostalgia.
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But before we dive into our usual segments, we've got some
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housekeeping. The deal, Luke, because we
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recorded last week's episode early and our schedule the sort
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of come out at its usual time. It wouldn't let me put a poll
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on. So I have we have not got a poll
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this week to discuss. So apologies to you Luke, and
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apologies to the listeners. But we have got some fantastic
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comments and some questions. Are you ready for those?
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I am always. So the first one is from Lou.
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Lou says on Spotify with Chamber in the rearview mirror and
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WrestleMania ahead, do you prefer having a big stipulation
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match type gimmick themed pay-per-view beforehand?
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Or would you rather a more traditional No Way Out style
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pay-per-view between Rumble and Mania?
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I asked a really good question is something that I thought
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about this week that I might have actually brought up with
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you, but it's happened early, so here we go.
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I don't like it to be honest, because the chamber should just
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kind of come out of no way. I think like it used to.
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Same with like Hell in the Cells.
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So yeah, I prefer it not to have that because then it puts the
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pressure on it as well where you know there's going to be a
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chamber. So it's like, what's it actually
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for? And we said at the start like we
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weren't 100% sure what the women's one was for because it
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wasn't that detailed out. So no, I don't actually like
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themed pay per views because there's one point where it got
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really bad where you had Hell in a Cell.
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Yeah, TLC, Money in the Bank and Elimination Chamber all is for
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paper views. And it's I don't like it.
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And that was why I was thinking about it, bringing it up
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actually, because I don't like Money in the Bank being when it
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is now. I quite like that that was a
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WrestleMania match for the 1st 345 years, whatever it was,
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because I like the idea of them having a year from Mania to
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Mania to cash in. And as we talked about in a
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previous episode, Ken Kennedy actually saying kind of I'm
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going to cash it in it next year's Mania.
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Yeah, it never happened, but I think that's a cool little thing
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to have. So I'm not a fan.
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I say I'd love it to go back. No way out.
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Maybe that's a nostalgia, but I think big stipulation matches
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that should just kind of come out when the warrant it like
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Punk versus Drew, it held in a cell that was warranted.
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You know what I mean? That was a massive blow off to a
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feud. It made sense.
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Whereas like just having the Elimination Chamber match for
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the sake of getting who's facing who for the tight each titles, I
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think it takes away from it. Especially having two.
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I don't mind 2 rumbles for the men and the women, but like 2
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elimination chambers in one night I think it's too much.
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I definitely know what you're saying.
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And I agree with like the hell in a cell, the TLC, take the
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extreme rules, you know, the money in the bank, like, yeah.
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And I'm glad we've got away from that now.
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I think there's less of those now.
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Definitely. An old school Pete, he says
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like, yeah, give us a Norway out.
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But part of us thinks because there's two world titles now in
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men's and women's, so 4 world titles, you have the Royal
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Rumble where it's like a big gimmick Royal Rumble match
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winner goes to WrestleMania and WrestleMania has two nights now.
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And it's like, would the other match be sort of regarded less
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if the challenge I didn't go through like hell and back or
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have a challenge. So you know, the winner, the
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Rumble, it's a big challenge to win that.
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And you know, you sort of you climb the mountain to win the
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Rumble and then you pick your opponent for WrestleMania.
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And then the next person goes through the chamber, through
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hell and back, climbs the mountain of the chamber, wins.
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And then they they get the sort of the second pickings sort of
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thing. So I can see why it works and I
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can see why it's sort of ingrained in our cycle.
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And not like in my mind, it's like, yeah, Rumble chamber
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Mania. Like even now in my mind, it's
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like that, even though I prefer time nostalgia wise of like
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Norway out being in the middle where like any match can take
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place and who knows what's happening storyline wise.
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And it's usually story driven where the chamber has more
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situational driven if that makes sense.
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Yeah, definitely. But I think in this this kind
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of, you know, we'll bring it in early fees in a kind of one of
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my negatives of the week where I get what you're saying, go
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through hell and back to kind of win the Chamber.
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I get a Mania, but I don't think you're getting Randy Orton
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versus Drew McIntyre on a one-on-one match.
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So then it's muddled, you know what I mean?
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So it's like Randy's won that match this week, but you know
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for a fact it's going to end up being a multi man match.
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So therefore, it kind of takes a little bit away from the
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Chamber, and I think it's seven weeks between chamber and Mania.
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Like, that's plenty of time to build someone for a, you know,
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for a world title shot without having to go through a chamber.
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Like the one that was 6 out of my mind was when Booker T won
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the battle royal to face Triple H at WrestleMania 19.
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Like that was done where it was the first Raw after No Way Out.
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He wins that. You've then got four or five
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weeks, six weeks to tell a story.
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That story got a bit racist. And maybe he's not the best
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example of how you build it, but you've got plenty of time to
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build without, you know, having to go through a chamber much
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necessarily. Yeah, I definitely see that
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point. You as well.
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So I suppose what I'm saying is that I'm on the fence.
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Yeah, I'm sort of absolutely would love to go back to have No
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Way Out and having all that story driven and build the
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storylines. But it's also been ingrained in
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my mind now that like this is the rule of WrestleMania.
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We do Rumble, then we do Elimination Chamber and then we
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go to Mania. And like, you know, so they've
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done a good job in sort of mind wiping us, you could say, I
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suppose. And I don't hate it.
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Like do I mean like it's it's still a gimmick match.
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So you're kind of like, oh, excite in the chamber, what's
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going to happen? Like it is still good.
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Like it's not like absolutely terrible.
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But yeah, I do think that like, it doesn't necessarily have to
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like be done every year and especially 2 chambers in one
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night. I think that does I think that's
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probably harder for the talent. Do you know what I mean?
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Because you're probably going to have to have big discussions
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about what spots are getting done in each one because like,
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there is only so much you can do inside there to an extent.
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Definitely, I think in any good show would be, you know, you
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want you don't want your spots to happen more than once, right?
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So therefore you have to try and keep it original and fresh.
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So that's difficult to do. One thing I will say is that I
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prefer the chamber when it's like when a championship's been
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vacated or when there's so many people going for a championship
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and all them are sort of eligible.
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You have to up the jeopardy and put them all in there.
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Yes, because this is just you get a chance of water
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WrestleMania. I suppose so.
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I know that's what he called myself a bit, but that's another
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view I have on it. Which you are entitled to, Don't
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you worry about that. Indeed.
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But yeah, so I just think, yeah, like I can't see them going away
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from a canoe. No, but then anything can
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happen. Corner.
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It depends. Like I can't because I think the
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way it's kind of marketed now is that like, yeah, it's, it has to
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be there, doesn't it? It's like it's one of the unique
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selling points, isn't it? Like we're going to give you
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that chamber in in February every year Because it was, it
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was a bit of a bit more last year, wasn't it?
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Because it was rumours. It was going to be in the Uki
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think. And then it went to Canada.
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So, yeah, I think it obviously sells to the people that like,
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you know, to the the cities that they're going to in it in it.
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And I get why that does sell, but I think if you actually look
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at it, you can pull threads away quite quickly with it as to why
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it's not necessary something that needs to be done all the
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time. Indeed, we've got our next
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question is from Rob. So Rob asked us the question
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about albums last week, he said. Love the responses on the
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album's question, gents. Some alternate choices for those
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who prefer their wrestling records are loud, fast and
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heavy. And he's saying that Brody King
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he's got a album called God's Hate.
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He says Amy Dumas, who is of course leader has one called the
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Lucha Gores and the Blade, who was Andy Williams from AW, He
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has one called Every Time I Die. So a couple of may be heavier
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fast rock albums there to listen to.
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If you like real wrestlers doing music.
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Then he also said also Luke mentioned his insurrection event
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shirt. This leads me to your personal
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favorite wrestling merch, not including toys.
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We can see that for another episode.
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I think it's because he knows I love wrestling toys.
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He says his personal favorites are the classic Cactus Jack
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wanted tea and the DX mesh jersey.
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Luke, I know you through your life have had a lot of wrestling
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merch. Can you narrow it down?
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Only a couple to talk about. I do think the cat is Jack.
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One's a classic. I've I've still got one of those
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in rotation at the moment. I kind of currently sat in front
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of like on the wall there. I've got the winged and not the
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winged eagle, the big eagle world title belt.
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Big fan of that. That's probably me prize
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possession at the moment. And in front of his I've got me
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Cody Rose weightlifts and belt that my fiance got us a couple
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of Christmas as ago. So those are kind of the big
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ones that I've got. I've also got they're in storage
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at the moment, but I collected them and I'm glad that Dick
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remember the Jacks Pacific Classic collection with like all
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the kind of Hall of Famers and stuff like that.
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I collected all the rubber LGNS. So I think Austin flair take.
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I think both the Hardys are in that sets or 9 or 10 of them as
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well. They're pretty.
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They're up there as prized possessions.
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Awesome selections if you had to see you may have one resting T
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to take with you to hell or heaven, wherever you're going.
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Purgatory, Mecca, wherever it is you're going.
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Madison Square Garden, wherever your afterlife is.
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Luke, what's the one item you're taking away?
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I like me Eddie Guerrero, Scarface 1 The Latino Heat 1 the
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black and white. Or what?
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He's got the belt. Yeah, yeah, and it was somebody
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had it on in one bottle after another as well the recent film.
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So I did like seeing that there because even you even get cold
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as you know he in it. So yeah, I'm a big fan of that
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one. So probably that one.
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What about you? It's.
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One of my favorite T-shirts and I think I still have it.
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My wife want me to throw it out because it's a size medium and
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it certainly does not fit anymore but it is.
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It's an Archaeo Legend color T-shirt for Mike, Ron, Jordan
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and the other 2005 I think it was.
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Has it got a bar code on it? No.
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No, it's like Orkyo. It's all.
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It's only had the Orkyo on the front of the New World Order,
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remember? Yeah, Yeah, I do.
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Actually. Yeah, I think I do.
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That's what a legend killer underneath it.
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So that's one of your favourites?
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I'm trying to think. I did have the WrestleMania 20
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make 40 T-shirt where it was the :) yellow :) in the mask in the
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back. It's got the rest of me a 20
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logo. And it all begins again from
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Shop Zone back in 2004, which is when I really got back into
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wrestling after a couple of years of being on the outskirts.
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So what's the point of the two of your T-shirts?
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You've got anyone? Of them a big I'm a Big Mac
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Cardona mark, everyone knows that and I have got so his own
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toy company, the major major toys they do a big group of guys
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which is essentially a version of like LGNS.
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So I've got like a Mac Cardona LGN, which is awesome, and I've
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also got a Mac Cardona NECA Super 7, not like a Super 7.
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They're completely different toy companies.
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Sorry. Super 7 Ultimate, I think
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they're called, which was pretty cool.
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Concerned. I've got those at the time when
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he wasn't assigned. So he was getting those made and
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producing those and being a big part of that like on the Indies,
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which I suppose is one of the reasons why he became king of
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the Indies, I suppose. What are you going to say?
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Look, I know everybody with Macaron and Madness.
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No, no, that's, that's absolutely fine.
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I think there's some of them as well that I've got where it's
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like I got them out because I've lost a bit of weight like the
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past year or so. And it was like I've got an
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Evolution 1 where it's the really cool like at the
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Evolution logo one that looks like the kind of front of a like
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Rolls Royce type of thing. But then I realized that on the
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back it says getting paid, getting laid.
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And it's I'm 36 year old. I can't wear that.
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Like, do you know what I mean? Like it's pathetic.
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Like if I just walk around like like Asda with that on, just
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say, what the fuck am I doing? So like there is some T-shirts
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where it's like you've got like the Radar Superstar Edge one as
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well. Like there's a whole spiel on
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the back of that way if anyone reads it.
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What the fuck you doing? Like it's just, it's like it's
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this is not cool, is it? So yeah, there's some that you
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quite like as well. But like there's haven't aged
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very well. And I always reminds me of like,
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I think it was Becky Lynch's first T-shirt where we just had
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last kicker on the front where like if people don't know what
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that's about, that's quite a weird T-shirt.
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What we're on saying isn't it that you're a last kicker,
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especially the especially the Northeast.
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Yes, a woman abuser walk around. And probably about.
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It I think you should keep that getting paid getting laid
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T-shirt well on your wedding night board.
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Yeah, I might. I might have once, like once we
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thought I goes to like school. I might wait for the school
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runs. Or definitely that's the one way
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of turn heads and the other cool dads, if they're no rest and
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they'll appreciate. It exactly.
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Yeah, I'll make some friends, seek them out.
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You will indeed. So yeah, I think, yeah, I think
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that's overall for for mine, I've got some really cool WCW
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trading cards from 892 that I bought in New York, like fresh
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packs. I've already opened one of the
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packs, so I've got 2 left. So that's a cool little bit of
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merch that I do own as well. Moving on from that, final
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comment in the housekeeping segment is from Michael Crosby.
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He says with Dan Housing recently debuting in the WWE, do
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you think we'll see a change or any slight tweaks to his
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character or do you think he'll stay the same?
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So I think he means the same as he was sort of on his indie run.
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And then obviously I know he was in AW, but I think he was used
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much certainly on the last year. Obviously we'll talk about Dan
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Howison probably when you go to the weekend review.
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But for me, I became a big fan of Dan Howson in the pandemic,
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just come across him by accident on sort of YouTube, social
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media, followed him, really loved it.
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Your wife was like, what are you watching?
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This is madness. And I'm like, it's performance
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art and it's wonderful. I suppose my take on Michael's
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question is that do you think they will change or make any
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slight tweaks? I think no, because I think I
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think performance art is the correct way to talk about Dan
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Housing. And the way Dan Housing Works is
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that his character acts in a certain way, OK?
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So whatever the situation is, he he reacts to it.
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OK, It's performance art. So I think he will keep doing
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that, so the situations he's in and the things he's doing will
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change, but the way he thinks and reacts will be the same, if
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that makes sense. No, 100%.
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We'll dive into it a bit more. We're kind of positive negatives
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of the week. But no, I don't think at the
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minute they are going to look to change too much about them.
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And like I kind of got into about the same time as you
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because you you showed me what you'd be watching.
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And it's that I'm quite hit and miss with kind of the some of
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the comedic stuff. But like I was just on throw by
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straight away because I think it was the videos where he was
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talking about The Simpsons. So it's like I was just watching
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him like in character talk about Simpsons episodes and I was like
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engrossed in it. And then it kind of stemmed from
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there. So no, like, you know, the way
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you've described what his act is, I think is correct.
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And you'd be silly to stray too far away from it.
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But we'll, we'll talk about a bit more because I think there
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is more you could do with it. There is indeed, definitely.
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So that brings an end to housekeeping and we're going to
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move into week in review. Luke, I'll let you go first with
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your 3 positive things from the past week in professional
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wrestling. So I really enjoyed AJ getting
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his Hall of Fame nod and enjoyed the whole presentation on Raw.
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It was nice to kind of like see people like Abyss there coming
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out the cupboard even had people like Omos there, which obviously
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I forgot they had that little tag team run, but that reminded
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us of it and the Good Brothers. So it was good to see that not
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only was it a tribute show to him, but there was actually
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people there that meant stuff to his career.
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And like I say, I think it's really cool that he's going
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straight into the WE Hall of Fame.
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I think he's a great headline act and I think it's because I
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kind of want him to be retired now.
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Do you know what I mean? Especially his whole spiel about
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how he's never been a full time father because he's been on his
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road. And you know, it was nice to
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speak and hear him speak so highly of his wife and all she's
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done to keep everything running the background.
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So like when people talk like that, you kind of like, I hope
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that you do stay at home then if that's the case.
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And one of the positives I like from it is that obviously if you
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don't go off what people have said, he didn't know that
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induction was coming and the undertaker came out and I also
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started to tell him and he also did that with Stephanie.
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And I saw this week it was also undertaker that told Axon Smash.
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And I quite like how in retirement now, you know, this
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is quite UK specific reference, but Undertake has become this
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kind of Jeremy, Jeremy Beadle, Mr. Bloody Blobby type Hall of
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Fame induction character where like you don't know if he's
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going to pop up, but if he does, you're going in the Hall of
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Fame. I like how that's his role now,
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just going around and ducked in people.
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Yeah, it's like if Stephen Mulhern turns up, you know, and
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that you'll be on an index show, don't you?
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Exactly. That's exactly.
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That's probably more more modern reference than Jeremy Beetle and
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Mr. Blobby. But yeah, I just like this idea
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that you never know and that it is going to turn up and talk
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somebody into the Hall of Fame now.
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My uncle actually got caught by Jeremy Beetle and he got a got
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set up doing like dancing classes back in the day, so in
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there. Yeah, the really good Jeremy
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Beadle 1 is the woman who got convinced there was an alien
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landing in her backyard. Like it's mental.
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It's worth seeking out a totally off topic, but it's like, it's
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it's so quaint now because I don't want to be able to get
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away with it. But this woman thinks like an
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aliens landed in her back garden and it and it creates havoc as
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well. So yeah, if you want.
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Television is genius but it just doesn't have a place now.
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Like production company wouldn't wouldn't make it.
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Yeah, there's two IPA. Yeah, there's probably lots of
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reasons for that, but it's off topic.
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But yeah if you want some non related advice go watch Jeremy
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Beetle Alien Invasion. I like hearing AJ talk about and
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I don't know if it was on Stephanie's podcast or somewhere
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else, but AJ was talking about how he debuted at the Wire
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Rumble. So he wanted to finish his
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career at the Wire Rumble, you know, and it was his decision
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and you know, and all those lot of online stuff about or like
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you shouldn't have lost there and like you shouldn't have lost
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the gun time, blah, blah, blah. But like seems like AJ was
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pretty just pretty sure about what he was doing and very
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secure about, you know, a start at the rumble ends at the
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rumble, gun tag goes over and then I retire.
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Obviously we're in Saudi, so there's no point in making the
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big deal about everyone coming out and clapness because we'll
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do that later. Your hometown on royal.
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That makes sense. So it may just seems like I had
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a great plan all the way through and AJ was very settled in his
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decision, if that makes sense. No, definitely.
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And it's like it's been used a lot in football this season
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where people say like, you know, leave the football before the
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football leaves you. And I think that's kind of, you
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know, can be used with AJ Styles CLS, like, you know, he's gone
19:32
out where he was still on top of his game.
19:34
So fair play. Do you know what I mean?
19:35
There's never anything where anyone was like, should he be
19:37
still doing this? And it's it's not a lot of
19:39
people can do that. So that I said now that the kind
19:42
of dust is settled on it like, you know, him can be by going
19:45
through news. And I think like, yeah, good for
19:47
him. And I hope it, I hope he finds
19:49
the happiness in it. And he does stay retired for the
19:51
right reasons. Definitely your next positive
19:56
board. Yeah, so I liked.
20:00
Randy win in the chamber because I didn't expect that.
20:03
Like I think, you know, you read things online, things like that.
20:05
If it seems like they are definitely and have been for a
20:08
while heading down the road of a multi man WE title match at
20:12
Mania. Obviously the names mentioned
20:13
with Cody, Jacob and Drew. So I know they've been hints
20:18
with Randy in the last couple of weeks, but him actually winning
20:20
the chamber, I thought it was really, really good moment.
20:23
I like that it kind of, you know, it's he's later in his
20:25
career now. He could be very close to kind
20:27
of a scene that type retirement 2 hour.
20:29
Maybe he just goes like AJ where people aren't expecting it.
20:32
But I think he's someone who the past couple of years necessarily
20:37
hasn't kind of had a lot of big moments.
20:39
He has had his injuries as well, but he's kind of been in the
20:42
background more kind of that open mid card picture.
20:45
And it's good to see that he's looks meet that.
20:47
You bet you're getting one last good run because whether it's a
20:50
one-on-one match or multi multi man match at mania, I think you
20:54
might win it now, even if he drops a pretty quickly.
20:56
I think you might have like that one of those nice one of those
20:59
last moments left in them. And I think I wouldn't be that
21:02
shocked if he now goes on to win the title and.
21:04
I think if he wins one more ties to reach on 14, is that right?
21:08
World titles. He's already on 14.
21:10
I don't know, I might be wrong, I don't know.
21:13
But yeah, I don't think it'll be the record really, if you look
21:16
at where he's at. But it's another one on there
21:18
and I think looking at it long term, I think it could
21:21
potentially lead to a Cody. He'll turn on Randy, which I
21:26
think could be interesting as well.
21:27
That's just a thought I've had. But yeah, I thought it was good
21:30
because it was unexpected. And I like the way that he
21:32
didn't hesitate to just drop Cody straight away after Drew
21:34
got involved. So it's like, you know, because
21:37
I think that's part of what his bills be in the past couple of
21:40
years. He's more calmer, he's chilled,
21:42
He's good guy, Randy Orton. Whereas those instincts kicking
21:45
in the chamber and he didn't hesitate.
21:48
No, it was and he told the story really well with his like his
21:50
body language and his reactions were like perfect, as you would
21:53
expect from a master storyteller like Randy Orton.
21:58
I love the fact that Drews get involved.
21:59
So we know he's cost try it cost Cody the qualification of the
22:03
chamber, but he failed. He did cost Jacob qualification
22:07
and he's cost Cody in the chamber here.
22:10
I think it leads to the storyline where the general
22:13
manager, I think always is going to have to do something because
22:15
like, obviously come Smackdown, Jacob's going to be furious.
22:18
So is Cody and he's got no control over his champion here.
22:21
And it's going to be interesting to see Drew's going to push him
22:25
so far, but he's going to, is he going to make it a four, four
22:27
way or is he going to make Drew defend the title before
22:30
WrestleMania? I don't know, but it's exciting
22:33
and it means, as you said before, I think there's what, 7
22:35
weeks between now? A Mania, A lot of television to
22:37
feel that we need to have good television.
22:39
And the fact that Cody and Jacob are still in this storyline here
22:43
with Vendetta's against the Champion, it's going to keep it
22:46
exciting and alive, which I think is really, really cool.
22:49
Do you think Cody wins the title back on Friday?
22:54
No, but would I be surprised? No, I wouldn't be surprised
22:59
either, if that makes sense. Is that a cop out?
23:01
Am I cheating there? No, no, because I think it is
23:04
I'm 5050 where like I think I would, yeah, no, I think you put
23:07
the knee on the headway if it happens.
23:08
I wouldn't be surprised if it's just more interference and
23:11
stuff. Wouldn't be surprised either.
23:12
But the kind of eluded Alistair Black couple of weeks ago as
23:16
well. So I don't know if that's going
23:17
to be added in like a huge big multi man.
23:20
I mean what's what's your overall opinion on like multi
23:22
man matches like that? I think they have a place and
23:27
definitely work. I think because you've got two
23:29
world titles and we'll probably talk about it soon because
23:32
you've got such a a big match in pumpkin Rin's and the storylines
23:37
only just getting even hotter. Now off the back of my net royal
23:40
promo, which we'll probably talk about.
23:42
You know, I think that's going to carry like the the human like
23:45
super story. So yeah, the other title match
23:50
can be a multi man as long as they do it right next to you.
23:52
Probably everyone gets looks good in it, you know, good.
23:57
But I think if you're doing the multi man, do you do the multi
24:01
man just have Cody win, or do you have the multi manner sort
24:03
of to change the champion? Or do you have the multi manner
24:06
to have Drew beat all the multi man and have them say, look, not
24:11
even five years computers or however many years, four years
24:14
could be this, three years could be this like I've beat all years
24:16
now. So there's a lot that could do
24:18
with the multi man. I think it does work if they
24:19
executed correctly. And I think because your actual
24:23
the big main event, which is probably going to be an event
24:25
this Sunday is pumpkin rains. That's already there.
24:28
You've got that. It allows you to be more free
24:30
with the other main event. I don't know if you think that's
24:33
right or not. Good.
24:34
But yeah, that was going to be the next question.
24:35
So do you think that headlines then as well?
24:37
So you have Punk Roman, the Sunday and then do you think if
24:39
it is a multi mile match, do you think that definitely headlines
24:42
the Saturday? Yes.
24:44
Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah, well, like I say, I mean,
24:47
I think there's just one of those ones on the way.
24:48
Like they can get a bit clustered, but if it's done
24:52
right, it could be exciting. I mean, there is big, like
24:54
there's a lot of big names in it.
24:56
And then especially if you have jail Fatty and potentially
24:58
Alistair Black in there as well, you've kind of got a good mix of
25:01
kind of new and also, yeah, I think it could be good.
25:05
But yeah, it just seems the kind like the Punk, which we talked
25:07
about earlier just then slightly takes away from the Chamber
25:10
because they straight away you had the oldest McIntyre in
25:15
interaction with them, books the match for Smackdown.
25:18
So yeah, we'll see. But yeah, I think it's, there's
25:20
no way it's not going to be a multi man.
25:21
I can't, I don't think. Time will tell what is next for
25:26
you bud. So CM Punks 24 hour as well, 48
25:31
hours. So I thought the Punk versus
25:32
Bala match was excellent. Like I thought was a really like
25:35
kind of gritty. I thought it was like a
25:37
brilliant professional wrestling match.
25:40
Wasn't sports entertainment because I think I expected like
25:43
the judgement to get involved in them to start that kind of
25:46
spiral in the title match. But they didn't.
25:49
They just went out there, had another fantastic match, shook
25:53
hands at the end and I thought it was quite interesting because
25:56
obviously, you know, see things online, but like I think a lot
25:59
of people that have right. I think a lot of what you called
26:02
like Die Hard, WE fans found it a bit boring.
26:06
But I think if that match had happened in AW, their fans would
26:11
have been Raven about. It is kind of one of the matches
26:13
of the year. And I thought it was like an
26:15
interesting juxtaposition of like when WWE go for just full
26:19
professional wrestling, it doesn't always land universally.
26:22
I mean, what was your thoughts on the match?
26:25
So this match is one of my positives as well so.
26:27
Excellent. Go into, then I.
26:31
Just thought this is what I wrote.
26:33
I wrote like it's the little things like facial expressions,
26:37
body language, subtle little tweaks that both Punk and Ballad
26:40
did not just at the beginning of the matter all the way through.
26:43
It was like perfect storytelling using psychology on its best.
26:47
You know, I've also got that, you know, Finn shredded.
26:51
There was a great close up when obviously they were being ring
26:54
announced and you just see how sort of shredded sculpted
26:57
perfectly Finn's body is like, you know, and it was, you know,
27:02
Punk's not a sculptor, but he's a bigger guy.
27:04
So it was like, you know, this like this brute versus this sort
27:08
of fine-tuned shredded guy. Both like will class from around
27:13
the world. I thought the total fantastic
27:16
wrestling story. And it was like, yeah, like bad
27:19
obviously said, I'm not having the judgment day get involved.
27:23
They didn't. And I just think they had a
27:27
great match. Both showed great respect to
27:30
each other at the end. Yeah, I think it was just great
27:32
psychology all the way throughout where like there was
27:36
times when I suspended me disrerete where it's like, oh,
27:37
like Bala's like holding his own here.
27:40
I'm like, could he win? So yeah, I think I think the
27:44
match was just a perfect wrestling match, perfect
27:46
storytelling, perfect psychology, perfect use of all
27:49
the tools that these two guys have, not just moves, but like I
27:53
said, little things like facial expressions, body language,
27:57
little tells out the do the psychology.
27:59
It was just awful. Perfect to be fair.
28:01
Five star match for me. No, it was, I say it was just it
28:04
was a proper professional wrestling match and I thought it
28:06
was, I thought it was excellent. And I say I think it's just
28:09
interesting with it being on the card of like where you've got UK
28:11
mix of Elimination Chamber match and stuff.
28:13
Like I say, I've seen mixed things online, but I think the
28:16
mixed things are from people who just kind of want spot after
28:18
spot an Elimination Chamber match.
28:20
And yeah, I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
28:22
And and then obviously just I say what Punk's 48 hours is,
28:26
then the promo him and the Roman then had, because obviously, you
28:28
know, it does settles. But definitely Punk Roman now at
28:31
WrestleMania and I thought him and Romans promo heading out the
28:34
pot again. They're just kind of Roman
28:36
coming out kind of big dog him a bit as he is just saying that,
28:40
you know, we brought you back. I'm going to put you back down.
28:42
I'm going to send you the NXT to be a trainer.
28:45
And then Punk just absolutely rattling him and walking away by
28:48
saying I'm going to bury you, but at least you won't be lonely
28:51
because I'll bury you next to your dad and stuff like that.
28:55
Like what comes the my mind straight away is Randy Orton
28:58
telling Ray Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero's in Hell.
29:01
I think it can be a bit tactless.
29:03
But why I thought it was really, really good is that there's no
29:07
way that never got signed off on Roman Reigns beforehand.
29:10
There's no way he's getting that like in the moment.
29:12
So like that obviously both agreed on it and it rattled
29:15
Roman Reigns and Punk walked off and I thought like Roman sold it
29:20
really well where it's like Punk had to ask a Roman had all the
29:23
confidence in the world and almost like just looking through
29:26
Punk, like, you know, he's going to win.
29:28
But then like with that one sentence, it's kind of advantage
29:31
Punk now. So where do we go next?
29:34
Indeed, I think it, you know, as punk says best in this ring, on
29:37
this microphone, even a comment, it's like Roman has had the I
29:41
wouldn't say the other hand. Roman's like had a lot to say
29:44
about Punk and sort of had really good promos.
29:47
You know the one he's talking about how, you know, the Shields
29:49
save them all the time. I think he brought it up again
29:51
this time around, you know, and belittle and punk and say like
29:56
I'm the big dog here. But then punk with just one
29:58
sentence, just what it's what's great is what Rome was saying.
30:03
Obviously fired punk up and then punk just fired back and cut
30:06
through and like that's what punk can do now.
30:08
Romans like guess what, Roman, this is going to be personal.
30:11
So you think you just go in and just like work methodically,
30:14
know what's going to be personal and gritty and you're going to
30:17
have to like dig down deep and maybe keep your temer out the
30:20
way as well because we all know that not seeing what happened.
30:22
But you know, you can't get this qualified right because it's a
30:24
one-on-one match. So yeah.
30:26
So it's it's perfect storytelling.
30:29
It increases the jeopardy. It builds these two guys who
30:33
haven't me seen the ring much, but we've seen them doing promos
30:36
together over the past month and like they keep getting hotter,
30:40
which is what you want in the seven weeks to go.
30:42
It can only get hot or I think from here as well, which is
30:44
absolutely fantastic. Also, what you're saying about
30:46
the pure Wrestling match as well is popping your head.
30:48
Obviously wrestling's a variety show, especially when it's a
30:50
long show like Monday Night Royers or like peer reviewers or
30:54
a PLE sorry, as they're now called.
30:56
And you know, you've got two in the mission chambers that are
30:59
all going to be pretty spot heavy.
31:00
So I think it made sense to have Ponton Balla going there and
31:02
have a wrestling classic because if they're going to do all the
31:05
spots as well, then you've just got like 3 hours of spots and
31:08
it's overwhelming. So it's actually, no, we're
31:09
going to actually, we're going to bring it down, give you some
31:12
psychology, give you some story, give you 2 muscles of their
31:15
craft doing their thing. And then guess what?
31:16
End of the show, we're going to give you some more spots.
31:18
Don't worry. No, definitely, and that's what
31:21
I was said. Well, I even which will
31:22
obviously bring in Dan housing by into again.
31:24
I say it's a variety show, so you need a comedy act, you need
31:27
some pro wrestling, you need the, you know, a spot match.
31:30
So yeah, that's what that the best wrestling show will have a
31:32
bit of everything, and I thought the Chamber kind of delivered
31:35
that overall. Yes, definitely.
31:39
So my turn for the positives. So I think we've already spoke
31:42
about Finn, Balanci and Punk in the Punk promo, so they're all
31:47
on my list as well. And then Speaking of, I don't
31:51
know why I really love this. Maybe it's because I'm simple.
31:53
I'm all going to find that out. But we talked about it earlier.
31:57
We talked about how you know you've got 2 chain matches, so
31:59
you've got to be careful of what spots you use because you don't
32:01
want to do the same thing that's already been done in a previous
32:03
match because does that become born and repetitive?
32:05
Maybe it does. I love towel and it came out the
32:08
blue. But of course you could do it
32:09
when Oscar used the mist in the chamber because like, oh, that's
32:12
fantastic. Also, nobody else can do that.
32:15
So you haven't used anybody else's spot up.
32:17
And it's like original to her. And I thought it was really cool
32:21
to see that. I don't know what your thoughts
32:24
were on the appearance of the mist in the Girls chamber.
32:27
No, it was it was good and I've kind of it's been quite, I've
32:30
been quite low key and joy and like what Oscar has been doing,
32:32
especially with curries. It's like that kind of, it's
32:36
almost like a domestic piece of relationship, which isn't funny,
32:39
but I think they've been doing it quite well.
32:41
So no, I was like, I say, I know what you mean.
32:44
Like why couldn't you do it in the chamber?
32:45
So no, I was, it was, I thought that much was good as well.
32:48
Yeah. What is What do you think about
32:49
Rio winning? So that's one of my not a
32:53
negative, but I, it's one of the things I'm a bit iffy about
32:55
because I feel obviously I was quite bored into sort of the tag
33:01
team with, with her. And they've been tagging
33:05
channels after they dropped the belts, obviously just before the
33:07
pay-per-view. And I do feel like maybe they've
33:11
got a hot angle right with Liv Morgan and Stephanie Verqua.
33:16
And I just feel maybe they've been stuck with who to put
33:20
against Jade. Do we put our sort of our
33:23
biggest, our biggest female star, like one of our biggest
33:26
stars in general, like in that match to sort of boost the card?
33:30
Does it help sell tickets? Because we do know that tickets
33:32
have been slow. Silence, shall we say.
33:37
But I, I feel the baby. They've cut short a storyline
33:40
between Ria and your Sky and being tag team champions to put
33:46
Ria in this with Jade early to sort of help ease that pressure,
33:50
which is it's a good leave at a pull if you needed.
33:52
But I think it would have been nice to see what would have
33:53
happened between your Sky and and Ria in the long term.
33:59
Yeah. And I think that might have been
34:00
what you might have got at WrestleMania because, you know,
34:03
he's saying pull that leave as probably the right way to do it.
34:06
Because again, if you believe what you read, I think the
34:08
original plan was that Bianca, Bella, it would have been back
34:11
and it would have kind of been Bianca versus Jade, which
34:14
obviously ties back into them. Naomi last year, but apparently
34:18
she wasn't going to be. Obviously she wasn't in the
34:20
chamber. She's not going to be back for
34:22
WrestleMania. So I think it has been a bit of
34:24
a puller lever. What's the best match we can do
34:27
here? So it will be interesting to see
34:29
what they've done. I know they've already started
34:31
some stuff online which has learned the lines a bit, but
34:34
have you seen that where they've been slagging each other off
34:37
online? Yes, I have.
34:41
And Chelsea Green's involved in it and then Piper and Evans
34:43
piped in. So yeah.
34:45
And it looks like a work brother, but I.
34:47
So obviously we'll see how that begins properly on Smackdown,
34:50
because that's what you said on Raw.
34:51
She's going to smack down to start that.
34:53
So we'll see how they book that program.
34:54
But yeah, I mean, because she's never had any really long
34:58
matches and never did any WI either.
35:02
Like I'm still, I still don't really know what Jade Cargill's
35:06
full capability is. So hopefully we'll get a really
35:11
good kind of, you know, a longer match at WrestleMania and that's
35:14
something that she's able to do and like we'll get a good week
35:16
because I still don't have like an opinion on her.
35:19
Like as far as like our in ring ability goes presentation wise,
35:23
fantastic. But yeah, I don't know what like
35:25
her ceiling is as a wrestler yet.
35:27
Do you? I don't.
35:30
I think from Martin Garr. She's a person who is constantly
35:33
learning and I think while her presentation in the ring and on
35:37
television shows on a certain light and shows us her
35:41
strengths. I get the feeling that in the
35:43
background like she will be down in at the performance centre,
35:47
like working on things and working on things before Raw and
35:50
Smackdowns like behind the scenes.
35:52
That makes sense. Like to improve on things to to
35:54
get to that point. So sort of the opposite of a
35:57
Goldberg That makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
35:59
No, no, it's probably good putting.
36:01
I was heated. He was definitely not doing
36:02
that. She probably is putting the work
36:04
in the background. So yeah, yeah.
36:05
Like I say, it's not criticism of us the way they've built and
36:08
it's worked well. But I think this match, Will
36:11
Ripley, it's going to have to be it's do you want me?
36:14
It's not going to be a squash match, is it?
36:15
And not just not squashed everyone, but yeah, it's going
36:18
to have to have some kind of length to it.
36:21
So hopefully it's not like, oh fuck, why?
36:23
Which can't wrestle and I've just watched 20 minutes of
36:25
awful. So yeah, hopefully it's the
36:27
other side of the coin on that. Yeah.
36:30
And I would like to think that they should be aware of what
36:31
you're cutting can't do and what a progress is like.
36:33
So I would like to think that the book in this now, no, not
36:36
like right now is the time for us to show this side of her
36:38
because she's got it down now. So that's that's going to do
36:42
this. It's the right time.
36:44
No, definitely. My other negative was, and
36:52
again, I've not really seen this me wife's been in me head about
36:55
it like or everyone's complaining about Downhouse and
36:58
some people me like some of the chats I've been not seen
37:02
everyone's talking about complaining about Downhouse and
37:05
I really haven't seen actually people are telling me people are
37:08
complaining. I haven't actually seen many
37:10
complaints. That makes sense.
37:14
Obviously people are saying he was booing out the building as
37:16
well on his debut. I think two things for me, I
37:18
think for me watching it, the chamber, I think towards the end
37:26
of Van Housen's presentation and the dance routine towards the
37:28
end, I did hear some boos. Not the whole building, but some
37:31
boos. And I can sort of get that.
37:33
Because if you're waiting for the chamber match and you're
37:34
ready for all the spots and you've got this that's going on
37:38
too long, you understand it like you might Boo.
37:40
I can understand that, but I think to say that everybody
37:43
hated him, I think is is too far.
37:45
And I think also even everybody did Dan Housen's character I
37:51
worked with, as I said, it's performance art.
37:53
OK, So whatever happens, he will react to OK, and he's already
37:57
done that on all these promo and he was like, oh, everybody was
37:59
was thunderous applause and everybody loved his.
38:01
And you saw like PS like rolled his eyes because obviously it
38:04
was a bit of a mixed reaction put like Dan Housen's
38:07
performance art. And he will just like do that.
38:11
He'll just go with the floor and tell lies because he's the
38:13
character, right? That's what he does.
38:14
And no matter what you do, he will turn around in the content
38:17
and in the in the value, if that makes sense.
38:20
Dan Housing could be in a ring and it could be fully silent,
38:23
right? Which is the worst reaction you
38:25
want as a wrestler, right? And he would turn around to say
38:27
something like, oh, everybody's silent because they want to
38:29
listen to me, the king speak or like something like that.
38:31
So he turns around where like he makes it work for his character.
38:34
And because his character is delusional, it works, if that
38:38
makes sense. No, 100%.
38:40
Like it was one of my negatives. It was like the general reaction
38:44
after Elimination Chamber when it was at one thing.
38:46
So I didn't mind it. I thought it was good because
38:50
like you got a feel like if you've never seen the character
38:52
before, whether you thought it looked fucking stupid or not,
38:55
you got a feel for it. Like it was very nice.
38:57
It was very evil. He was dancing.
38:59
His teeth were there. He gave Michael Cole the jar of
39:01
teeth. So it was like it was the
39:03
presentation of Dan Housen of what he's been doing on the
39:05
Indies and in AW. So it's like if you're a fan of
39:08
them, you should think, all right, OK, they've not made any
39:10
changes here. That's a positive if you didn't
39:13
know them. So all right, bit weird.
39:14
Yeah, I've I've watched the back, like the like the Boo and
39:18
very mild. It wasn't booed out the
39:19
building, but I think ultimately like the online reaction, it was
39:23
kind of like, you know, a quote, the quote, the famous whole
39:26
quote UN quote. I think a lot of wrestling fans
39:27
just worked themselves into a chute with it.
39:29
And because Bully, Bully Rail or Bori Dudley was saying, I don't
39:32
normally always agree with him, but he was saying that like the
39:36
main criticism of it is that WWE pit like built the box up too
39:41
much. And it's like, no, it didn't
39:43
like wrestling fans did online by saying it's Chris Jericho or
39:47
it's this and it's that. Like it was the online community
39:50
that built it up where it was never going to be the
39:53
expectation that the one do, which I think ultimately the one
39:55
would it be Chris Jericho. But like, I think people would
39:58
have heard that as well because it would make no fucking sense
40:00
for Chris Jericho to come out of a box.
40:02
But even on this show, like since the box turned up, you
40:04
know, I've been told what's in the box and I've said like, WE
40:07
actually made the box a joke. Like Roden wanted, Smackdown
40:11
then wanted. They were sending it back and
40:12
forth. Nobody wanted the box and to me,
40:15
if it was going to be somebody in the box, it was going to be
40:17
Dan housing because he's like a vampire type character, right?
40:20
Whatever he is. But like a normal person
40:23
wouldn't couldn't be in the box. If does that make sense?
40:26
So if it was going to be a person, it was going to be Dan
40:28
housing. It was a person.
40:30
So it was Dan Housing. But yeah, like do we re track
40:32
the box as a joke that no one, no one really wanted?
40:34
And like there were force opening out of the chamber.
40:36
There was no excitement or opening.
40:37
It was like force. That makes sense.
40:39
It was a boxers are running joke on television.
40:41
That makes sense. Yeah, it was like, oh, do we
40:44
build it up too much? It's like if you probably timed
40:47
those backstage segments where they sent the box back and
40:50
forth, it was probably less than 5 minutes of TV time.
40:52
So how was that building something up too much?
40:55
Like you said, it was played as a joke.
40:56
So I think, yeah, I think the negative reaction is from people
40:59
working themselves up to thinking it was something that
41:01
it wasn't, and then when it wasn't what they wanted, it was
41:04
then automatically shit. But then I'd say it was a mixed,
41:09
a mixed kind of debut because like you say, you know, it was
41:12
in a bit of a funny position. People brought themselves up.
41:15
But then Monday night on Raw, you got the full kind of in a 1
41:19
little backstage segment, like the full kind of brilliance of
41:24
down had down housing and you know, and again, a 1-2 minute
41:26
section. And then, you know, he cursed
41:28
Dominic Monsieur and he's lost the title.
41:30
So he's, he's off to a good start for me.
41:32
I think that kind of turned it back on the people that were so
41:35
like I saw that one, like what? I can't remember what website it
41:38
was, but one person was like after his debut he's dead in the
41:41
water. The only thing you can do now is
41:43
just go to NXT and hope that works in a smaller crowd.
41:46
It's like he walked with a ring and then left in less than 5
41:50
minutes. How was he dead?
41:51
Do you know what I mean? Like it was, it was just, it
41:53
seemed really extreme, the negative of it.
41:57
Yeah, which is what the neck can be, isn't?
42:00
It, I don't know, I'm surprised, but yeah, like that one was the
42:02
one for me where they were like I was dead in the water.
42:04
I've sent my next tea after like coming out of a coffin and that
42:07
was it. Yeah, and again, for Darling,
42:11
even if he was dead in the water, he would make that work
42:14
because he just reacts to it. Whatever's happening, he reacts
42:16
to. So like, whatever.
42:18
So yeah, I thought if it was going to be done housing coming
42:23
out the box, I think that maybe should have been backstage had
42:26
him cut a few words and like that be it.
42:29
And then you maybe wouldn't have had some of the boos that you
42:31
got. But the presentation down.
42:34
I was like, you've already said it.
42:35
You know, the dance number with with the girls, this perfect Dan
42:39
housing presentation. And it's similar to when they
42:42
went and got Cody brought Cody in.
42:44
That's one very different caliber last bought, you know,
42:46
on the card. But like they took Cody's
42:48
presentation from AW and they just brought it over.
42:51
Didn't have to change anything. Now they've done the same with
42:54
Dan Housing here, which I think is absolutely fantastic.
42:57
No, even little things like when he gave Adam PS his demands, he
43:00
asked for a blimp. That's like Dan housing Canon,
43:03
if you will. Do you know what I mean?
43:04
He's always talking about blimps.
43:05
So yeah, like if they've presented him in the way he's
43:08
always presented himself and other promotions.
43:10
So yeah, I think, I think it's I think it's off to a good start.
43:13
And what what what was saying that was told about on the
43:16
questions we had wrote down? I wasn't at the start.
43:18
Is that like I think there is Miles in it because like you
43:20
say, his performance on he's talented.
43:23
So like, you know, there is a man behind the mask.
43:25
So like there is a potential where like you could take him
43:28
seriously. It could become a serious
43:30
character. Do you know what I mean?
43:31
If someone runs him down and then he gets a little like a run
43:34
as a serious character, you don't know dear So and I think
43:37
with the character like that, you've got different options.
43:39
So now I think overall it was very like positive and I'm
43:44
looking forward to more. What I'm not happy about
43:46
actually going back. One of the questions were hard
43:49
is that his new T-shirt is on WWE Euro Shop.
43:52
But I've noticed now that they they don't really sell stuff
43:55
from this country. So they want to £15 for the
43:58
shipment from the USA and I can't justify 48 lbs for Dan
44:01
Housing T-shirt. You are charging a 15 LB
44:04
shipping. Yeah, because it's from, it's,
44:07
it says it's shipped from the US, So it was £34.
44:10
Then when I got a check, I was 48 and I was like, I'm not, I
44:12
can't, I'm not paying 40. It's the principal.
44:15
That's what's while I mean, wow, I mean I spend money on silly
44:18
things, but I will think twice while that.
44:21
No. Well, I haven't.
44:21
Yeah, I did have to think twice, but yeah.
44:24
Maybe put a joint order in and save on the?
44:27
Yeah, if anyone else wants anything older enough to a euro
44:29
shop, get in touch. We'll do a joint order so we can
44:31
see what the ship would. The T-shirt looks brilliant and
44:34
you can tell they put their degree like facades on it, but
44:37
like, but it is done house and Brandon like it's it's on brand
44:40
for him, which is fantastic. Yeah, so people see he's barred.
44:44
Apparently he's the best sound on the merch site currently so.
44:47
Exactly, I so I think it's just people wanting to dislike it for
44:50
the city dislike, you know, but yeah, that's that's kind of
44:52
that'll be my only negative that would could would think
44:55
worthwhile bringing up this week.
44:58
Awesome stuff, awesome stuff. I think that's that was my only
45:02
negative really was was that and and sort of the we are
45:04
everything other than that pretty pretty positive.
45:08
I think that's an end of a week in review.
45:10
And this is anything else you want to talk about, Luke?
45:12
No, I think we've, I think we've reviewed enough.
45:14
Should we go to a moment in time?
45:17
Yeah, definitely. Let's do it.
45:18
So I've chose the one this week. We've gone a little bit further
45:22
back than we have done so far. So we're going to go to Summer
45:26
Slam 94 for diesel versus Razor Ramon for the Intercontinental
45:32
title. So it was on the August 29th,
45:35
1994. It was at the new United Center
45:38
in Chicago, which was purely coincidental.
45:40
This which was where Elimination Chamber was this weekend I do
45:43
believe, wasn't it? Correct.
45:46
Yeah, setting of the little bit setting of the scene.
45:49
So it's in the summer of 94 in the UK, as I like to do.
45:52
Wet, wet, wet lovers all around. Was #1 for the whole month.
45:55
That that's disappointing. That's not good.
45:57
And the highest grossing movies that year with The Lion King,
46:00
Forrest Gump, True Lies, The Santa Claus and The Flintstones.
46:05
So I think the movies are better.
46:06
That's a good little cultural as what's going on in the world as
46:10
well. And the PS1 was also released.
46:14
Wow, that's a big thing. That's a cultural shift in time.
46:17
The PS1 common disk drive console.
46:19
Yeah, well, I think Kirk had been died as well.
46:22
Friends started, which I thought was quite interesting because
46:26
when after when you put this pay-per-view on.
46:28
So a Slam 94 obviously is 1 match we're focusing on, but you
46:32
can tell WWE hadn't quite caught up yet.
46:34
It was in that strange in between time where I think it
46:37
was still very much kind of gimmicky in kind of that new
46:41
generation aimed towards kids. So it was interesting to see
46:45
that at that point, kind of the culture wasn't necessarily
46:48
influenced when what you were seeing in the ring.
46:52
I would agree with that. I think is the new generation.
46:55
Macho Man obviously opens the show and he's very much like
46:58
this is the new generation, the promoting that is like the era
47:02
on the. Yeah, 100%.
47:04
I mean, obviously the main event of that card is undertaker
47:07
versus the fake undertaker. And during the kind of
47:11
pay-per-view, you had skits with, you know, Leslie Nielsen
47:13
from Naked Gun trying to work out who the fake Undertaker is.
47:19
But then this. But then the semi main event is
47:21
Brett hot versus Owen hot in a cage which is like.
47:25
Yeah, yeah. That's, that's like, that's,
47:28
that's a match we could have done for this, to be honest.
47:30
I think like there's a there's A and I think Nash.
47:32
Yeah. Well, Razor Ramon and Diesel is
47:35
kind of a sign that the arcs starting to change things.
47:38
But yeah, I mean, I'll quickly run through the cards with the
47:39
rest of the card. You had Adam Bong.
47:41
Adam Bong defeated Kang Bam Bam Bigelow in the IRS defeated Fatu
47:46
and Samu, Alondra Blaze defeated Bull Nakano Tatanga beat Lex
47:51
Luger, and you had Jeff Jarrett defeated Mabel.
47:55
Who was tagging with what was it?
47:58
Was the IT was the hip hop tag team, wasn't it?
48:01
Men on a mission. Men on a Mission, that was it,
48:03
yes, with Jeff Jarrett versus Mabel, which I didn't get around
48:07
to watching the full preview. I didn't watch that, but I can't
48:09
imagine how that that match went.
48:10
But he might get mentioned later.
48:12
I might need Mabel. He might do, yes.
48:14
He's a good lad. Yeah.
48:16
But I'll say that the match we want to focus on, and I say it
48:18
was Diesel versus Razor Ramon, I thought was quite an interesting
48:22
one because when I put it on, it kind of got us thinking of like
48:25
what had happened before, what would be what kind of happened
48:28
afterwards. So what I mean by that is that
48:30
kind of Hulk Hogan's only been gone for about two months at
48:34
this point. So he signed with WCW two months
48:37
prior to this. So obviously you are starting
48:42
looking kind of pushing new people and then you still, at
48:45
the same time though, you're still 2 years away from the NWO
48:48
formula WCW. So I thought it was really
48:50
interesting to see kind of, you know, Nash and Hall still kind
48:54
of doing their gimmicks in WWE. And what were your overall
48:57
thoughts on the match? First of all, just as a match.
49:02
Well, I think I thought the match was like 2 big guys going
49:07
like quite full speed. It was quite hard hitting, good
49:10
psychology. And I've got a question actually
49:16
I've put is is this now I know Diesel will will go on to WCWB
49:22
Kevin Nash where I think he grows in his character work, but
49:26
I feel this period of Diesel is Kevin Nash's best in ring work.
49:29
I don't know what your thoughts are.
49:30
Not my silly, I'm telling the truth.
49:32
No, I think you're probably right because I say that it is
49:35
really interesting that you said about the IT was hard hitting
49:37
and the good psychology because Kevin Nash has a lot of things
49:41
online. And I really like Kevin Nash,
49:42
but one of his big criticisms of kind of modern wrestling is that
49:47
people don't work stiff enough and there's not much psychology.
49:50
So watching this match applied that to see, you know, is he
49:54
practicing what he preaches? And in this match, like he
49:56
absolutely does. So like you've already said, it
49:58
was really hard hitting from both of them and because the
50:01
like I always forget how big Scott Hall is like, but because
50:03
they are so big, like it just looks like, you know, two big
50:06
guys kicking the shell of each other.
50:08
But Nash works halls back throughout the match.
50:11
He constantly goes into the back, constantly goes in the
50:13
back to then apply the stretch of mission on it as well.
50:18
So as far as Kevin Nash kind of in 2026, criticizing people for
50:23
not kind of for lack of psychology, not being hard
50:25
hitting, at least, you know, back in what you've said as
50:28
Prime was kind of was practicing what he preaches.
50:31
And I think it is probably a good run of matches because
50:34
obviously drops the IC title in this spoiler.
50:37
You think this is like only a couple of months out from then
50:40
becoming world champion and then having his Mania match for Shawn
50:44
Michaels, which I think is a really good match as well.
50:46
So yeah, I think you could maybe put this kind of year for Nash
50:49
as probably his best in ring work.
50:52
Definitely, and I said once he goes to WCW and BS Kevin Nash in
50:56
the NWO in the outside, I think his character work grows a lot,
51:01
but he's in ring work. He has fantastic.
51:02
What I loved is that obviously he's working in the back to make
51:05
sure that Razer cannot do the Razer's edge right.
51:08
And obviously Razer does not win with the Razer's Edge.
51:10
He doesn't get a chance to do it because he's Nash's worked the
51:12
back and they keep that psychology in the story going.
51:15
I love the tag team dynamic. Obviously, they tell the story
51:17
that on a house, Shaw, Shawn Michaels and Diesel have won the
51:22
tug belt from the head shrinkers on there.
51:26
He actually, Michaels says he has like a heel manager in
51:28
Diesel's corner. Razor Roan has a legendary NFL
51:31
player, Walter Payton, in his corner.
51:33
Obviously a celebrity for the Chicago area, but I think it
51:36
works well, you know, and I think.
51:38
Yeah, he's good, isn't he? Because he doesn't distract it
51:41
too much. He's out there and he does what
51:43
he needs to do. And I think Sean does quite a
51:47
good job of kind of selling them as a threat at times.
51:49
Maybe he's that small because, you know, at this point Sean's
51:51
the kind of cowardly heel. But I think Sean does do a good
51:54
job of kind of at least selling them as a bit of a threat.
51:58
Certainly does. And I think, yeah.
52:02
And that leads to sort of the finish, which is the switching
52:04
music. And I loved how this wouldn't
52:08
happen today. But obviously like he hits the
52:09
switching music and then like there's a lot of time passes and
52:12
Razor managed to like he's all over and gets the three count
52:16
where I think now it will be a kick out because that much time
52:19
went by. But obviously legitimately
52:21
saying that like the Super kick, the switching music is a legit
52:24
like killer at this moment in time where now people do a super
52:28
kick and they do like a back rate while we've written in
52:29
London moonsault or something. Yeah, there was.
52:32
There was a nice ref, but in the batch as well where the diesel,
52:36
it took the turnbuckle pad off. So obviously it was exposed and
52:40
then the ref seen it and saw that hole was going to get
52:42
thrown into it. So he dove in the way of it to
52:44
like stop it, stop it from happening.
52:45
I don't think I've ever seen that as a way of kind of
52:48
preventing that. So I quite like that little kind
52:49
of ref spot as well. It was good as the ref being
52:52
like I know you guys are cheaters, I know what he's
52:54
trying to do and I think they'd use the turnbuckle spot to win
52:57
the belt, I think possibly previously.
52:59
So, right. OK, so.
53:01
I think he was ready for it. But yeah, obviously showing that
53:07
this, you know, and then at the end, it's sort of raised as the
53:11
champion, which is good. He can go on to continue that
53:14
storyline. And obviously we're starting to
53:16
see the cracks in the is it the Heartbreak Hotel?
53:18
What? What are these guys called
53:19
again? Twos it was a 2 dudes, 2 bad
53:22
dudes with attitude. I'm not quite sure about it's
53:24
one of them, but but yeah, we're starting to see the cracks in
53:28
the Shawn Michaels diesel relationship, which is going to
53:30
lead them on a path to destruction, shall we say.
53:33
Yeah, I thought it was a cool one to have for that the match
53:36
because I see, I think it's really good character work from
53:38
everyone involved and it is a bit of a throwback.
53:40
But yeah, let's say the moment in time, like you've said, is
53:42
the fact that, you know, you've probably got Nash going on to
53:45
have his best year after this in the ring.
53:47
But let's say after this match, at least to the breakdown of him
53:50
and Sean, it leads to obviously Kevin Nash winning the world
53:54
title. He has some great matches with
53:55
Brett as well. And you've also got kind of Riza
53:58
Ramona going on to a much longer title reign.
54:01
And this is kind of their last kind of 18 months in the
54:04
company. And you know what I thought was
54:06
mad as well because I kind of worked this out that Nash wins
54:09
the world title before Shawn Michaels does.
54:12
Like Shawn Michaels is still about 18 months away from
54:16
winning the world title from Brett at WrestleMania.
54:18
That didn't seem right in me head, you know, I mean at the
54:20
time. Yeah, you don't remember like
54:24
obviously at this period of the Hogan's gone, Vince has been
54:29
forced us in order. That's why Brexit the champion,
54:33
but like Vince would probably have the big men still.
54:35
So obviously like Diesel and rears are perfect things of
54:38
that. So obviously Diesel's showing
54:39
here that he can be the IC champion and then obviously
54:42
proving he's going to be the next World champion.
54:44
Where we're looking back, we think it's city that like Sean
54:47
would be second after Diesel, but at the time the thing and
54:50
Vince probably sees Diesel's more of a legitimate like poor
54:54
Salman for the company, if that makes sense. 100% And I think
54:57
it's kind of just skewed from the fact that, you know, in 94 I
55:00
wasn't watching this every week. Like it wasn't probably till 97
55:03
that I really started watching every week.
55:05
So it was just that kind of in my head, like if you had to went
55:08
to me who won the world title first, Sean or Kevin Nash, I
55:10
would have went Sean like 100%. So it was quite, I quite enjoy
55:14
kind of going back over kind of like where we were in time with
55:17
this and kind of everything that leads up to obviously then
55:20
eventually leads up to kind of national leaving to the world go
55:23
meet up with Hogan to form the NWO.
55:26
Yeah, one of the things I like as well is obviously watching
55:28
Reza Yani's prime. You know, he looks like a
55:30
healthy Scott Hall. Obviously, I'm not quite sure of
55:32
what he parting is like at this point, but he looks good in the
55:35
ring. He he's caught with meantness.
55:36
He puts on a great show. And that was really good to see
55:39
because I think there's someone who's seen Scott Hall's life and
55:43
how it ends up. You know, I think there's some
55:45
bad moments and then it's tragedy to watch that.
55:48
But you always see a man who loves professional wrestling
55:51
doing what he does best, which I think was fantastic.
55:53
Just my final thoughts on the match.
55:54
Yeah, I think was it was heavy hitting, two big men going at
55:57
it, hard hitting nice and snug. I thought it was fast that both
55:59
guys could move like throughout the ring and there was some
56:02
spots where they were getting onto the outside and things like
56:04
that. So not only was it 2 big men
56:05
being heavy hitting, but it was quite a good pace.
56:08
Not as fast as I could cruise away obviously, because it
56:10
wouldn't be, but it was quite quite fast-paced.
56:12
You know, it was, it was energetic.
56:14
It was hard. Great psychology.
56:18
The outside interference by Michaels and then Walter Payton
56:20
get involved. Like it worked.
56:22
It was like heel manager and the good guy manager and I think
56:25
overall we get the title change and then we get the storyline
56:28
continuing to sort of show the seeds of discrimination between
56:32
Shawn Michaels and Diesel. I think it's all around a great
56:35
match. It was great to watch and it
56:37
sets everyone in the match up for like their next part of
56:40
their next stories, which I think's perfect.
56:43
Yeah, and kind of just an overall interesting period in
56:45
the WWF because, you know, a lot of people say that, you know,
56:48
Nash was one of the worst drawn champions and things like that.
56:50
But was that down to the fact that it's just, you know, you
56:53
have ups and downs or was it down the fact that was Kevin
56:55
Nash? So I think it's interesting to
56:56
say this is where he's now taking that step up.
56:59
And if you watch that match, I think both guys look great in it
57:02
and the crowd are into it. So I don't know if you'd have
57:04
to. You'd have to look in a little
57:06
bit further really, wouldn't you, as a why, why that was so
57:08
low drawn for such a low drawn period of time?
57:11
I wrote down as well that the the fans were like ecstatic with
57:14
like both guys. Obviously both guys look great.
57:17
You know, they're both big jacked, you know, attractive men
57:20
in there. Like both give me everything,
57:23
all the energy, all the big hits and you have the crowd all
57:25
happening up. Really, really good energy in
57:27
the crowd. No, it was 100%.
57:30
And I think, but I think the crowd, yeah, the crowds always
57:32
were like, it's an interesting thing which we could maybe do a
57:34
deep dive into on this like that kind of that, that general
57:38
period obviously leading up to kind of the end we were starting
57:41
and then starting to get in real trouble and the attitude here.
57:43
But yeah, I think it's an interesting period of time, no?
57:47
It certainly is. Any final thoughts on Salsa 94?
57:52
Just that like we need more. Obviously he's dead now, but we
57:55
need more investigation sketches with Leslie Nielsen.
57:58
It's a shame that never happened.
58:00
Could we get the new Leslie Nelson?
58:02
Liam Neeson? Could he do it?
58:04
Well, that's what I mean. You could because if you look,
58:06
that film had Cody Rhodes in it, so there's obviously some kind
58:09
of Naked Gun wrestling crossover that's still going on at this
58:12
day. So yes, do that.
58:16
Let's do it. Let's move on our next segment,
58:18
which is did they really say that this is a, we look back at
58:22
a court either from a promo, from an interview, from
58:24
someone's autobiography, from a shoot interview, whatever it is.
58:28
We look at a court that somebody said and we look at hasn't aged
58:31
very well and where does it sit in today's world?
58:34
And we've got a new one today. New Jack is making his debut on
58:39
the did they really say that segment?
58:41
And basically new Jack is cutting a promo.
58:46
And at the time, it's obviously at the time of like the OJ
58:50
Simpson, the controversy in America and the court case.
58:55
And he sort of ends up promo with the new Jack says, I would
58:59
like to send a special shout out to my homeboy OJ Simpson.
59:03
Keep up the good work, baby. 2 less we got to worry about, you
59:07
understand, keep up the good work.
59:13
So Aussie very triggering, especially when that was very
59:16
fresh. I think if there's like there's
59:22
more approval that he goes on a lot of things.
59:23
He talks about Klansmen chicken farmers to all sorts of new Jack
59:27
was famous in Smoky Mountain, which was obviously like quite
59:29
like a white Hick town. He would like to go to the shop
59:32
beforehand and buy like children's dolls that were
59:35
usually white and like hang them from nooses and come out the
59:37
ring with them and stuff in in Smoky mountain just to get
59:41
people going nuts and no real heat that would get you really
59:44
chased out of town type of stuff.
59:47
But this line's obviously like, it's a big part of pop culture
59:52
at the time, the news, you know, even now, people talk about like
59:56
OJ Simpson, you know, think about how big the Kardashians
59:59
are now. Like, would they be that big if
1:00:00
OJ Simpson trial hadn't happened?
1:00:02
All that type of stuff. And to think of it in today's
1:00:05
world, it would be almost like, I don't know, somebody coming
1:00:12
out. In like Manchester and being
1:00:15
like shout out to Ian Huntley. Good job getting those
1:00:18
Manchester girls or something like it wouldn't it would not
1:00:21
happen today, would it would not happen because it's really bad
1:00:24
taste and be like just they're not going to do that.
1:00:27
But like here we are in the 90s and that's the type of thing is
1:00:32
is happening. What's your thoughts on that,
1:00:34
Luke? Well, it's historically in your
1:00:37
court really, isn't it? Because Audrey was innocent?
1:00:39
So I don't know why he said that.
1:00:42
It's not correct. But no is it's out there.
1:00:46
It's wild, isn't it? It's kind of what we've talked
1:00:48
about before when I can't remember what the topic was.
1:00:50
I think it was what The Rock said to Kane, where it was like
1:00:53
it was of its time, wasn't it? Where it's quite a kind of
1:00:55
shock. Jerry Springer statement to say,
1:00:58
isn't it? And I think the context, what
1:01:00
you've given us there is important.
1:01:01
So he was a heel in Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which was a
1:01:05
Hick town, probably full of quite racist people.
1:01:09
So if you're going to go out and want to piss them off, that's
1:01:12
probably the best thing you can, one of the best things you can
1:01:14
do at that time to say it. So I mean, yeah, it's
1:01:17
controversial. Would you say it now?
1:01:20
I mean, you might on a on that type of short.
1:01:23
Do you know what I mean? Because it wasn't this wasn't
1:01:25
that you say it was more you might wrestling wasn't it wasn't
1:01:27
ACW, it wasn't WWE, anything like that.
1:01:29
So you still hear things getting said, don't you, at indie shows
1:01:33
for shock value? So but if it did, it would be a
1:01:37
massive outcry. That was completely
1:01:38
inappropriate. So yeah, it's an inappropriate
1:01:40
comment, but I like it. I think it's it's cheap heat but
1:01:44
I like it. It's cheap heat and one thing
1:01:46
we've always got to remember is that everything's at work,
1:01:49
brother, it's all at work. Exactly was you know, they were
1:01:53
being racist to him. So he was just you know, they
1:01:55
they port the bear. You don't port new jacket.
1:01:57
He will stab you. But yeah, I think, you know,
1:02:01
today if any person's has something similar, it would get
1:02:03
filmed on a phone and then it would go viral and they'll get
1:02:05
cancelled. But like, this is a more like a
1:02:09
time where you could be creative, don't get us wrong.
1:02:12
Be like close to the line, maybe try go over the line sometimes,
1:02:16
you know, but you've got to try these things and sometimes the
1:02:17
work, sometimes they don't obviously think for this
1:02:20
character in this town, this type of promo does work to get
1:02:24
that heat, if that makes sense. The nuclear heat that I got
1:02:26
them. And you know, you talk about the
1:02:27
nuclear heat, the time, you know, when Ric Flair couldn't
1:02:30
survive escape in Puerto Rico because he was going to get
1:02:33
knife because we couldn't take a promo.
1:02:35
Do you know what I mean? I think like, it worked both
1:02:38
ways, but I just think that type of promo would not happen now.
1:02:40
I think the closest we get to this type of thing, like talking
1:02:43
about things in the popular culture on the news again, going
1:02:45
back to the Acclaimed and when Max Casta would do his raps and
1:02:49
he'd talk about what's been happening, you know, in the
1:02:52
world and tight into the wrestlers cutting the promo
1:02:54
against. I don't think anything he said
1:02:56
would ever go this hard against something that was, like in the
1:02:59
outside world and also in like an open trial where, like, all
1:03:02
cameras, the whole world was talking about OJ Simpson at the
1:03:05
time. So everyone in that crowd
1:03:06
would've knew what he meant because everyone knew what was
1:03:08
going on. And yeah, just like just the Oh
1:03:12
my God jaw drop moment wouldn't happen now.
1:03:15
You know, do you know what it's just reminded me of actually,
1:03:17
which is kind of, if it did happen now, this is exactly what
1:03:20
would happen. I can't remember when it was,
1:03:24
but it was probably in the last 10 years.
1:03:27
Can you remember, was it Abraham Washington, who was the manager
1:03:33
of Titus O'Neil and Darren Young for a bit?
1:03:35
Do you know what I'm do I mean? Yes, I do.
1:03:38
So he used to do like he had like a megaphone or something,
1:03:40
didn't he? Or like he was on a headpiece
1:03:42
while they were in the ring. And is it Kobe Bryant had just
1:03:46
been accused of raping someone, hadn't he?
1:03:47
In a hotel room? And he said live on raw,
1:03:51
something like Titus O'neil's like Kobe Bryant in a Colorado
1:03:54
hotel. He's unstoppable.
1:03:55
He was fired the next day. No, he.
1:03:57
Was Yeah, Yep. So it's kind of it's it's
1:04:00
similar, it's similar type of court, isn't it?
1:04:03
As in like it was pop culture, it was shocked and it was of the
1:04:06
moment. And that happened, I think
1:04:08
definitely in the last 10 years. And he got sat the next day.
1:04:11
So there you go. That's that was 10 years ago
1:04:13
that you could I think, oh, making noise that things are
1:04:16
even more amplified now. So yeah, you say that now.
1:04:18
You don't. Aren't you it?
1:04:20
Is indeed, I think when you look back, excellent.
1:04:21
You're wrestling. I'm sure you can probably find
1:04:23
Corner talking about this promo and probably talk about how air
1:04:27
like balls to the wall it was, but also how like fire it was
1:04:29
and how the heat not territory at the time it got maxed out
1:04:34
with this type of behaviour, which is a good thing for
1:04:36
business I suppose. Yeah, and I think it was quite a
1:04:39
hot territory for a bit, that Smokey swing around wrestling.
1:04:42
If you look, there's some big names coming for it, like Jared
1:04:44
Gordon. Landstorm started there.
1:04:46
Kane was there as the Unabomber to get, you know, quite an
1:04:50
interesting popular culture reference there, the Unabomber.
1:04:53
But yeah, I think there's some interesting stuff there.
1:04:55
It's another thing that'll be quite interesting and maybe have
1:04:56
a further look at somewhere down the line.
1:04:59
No, definitely 100%. Moving on from did they really
1:05:04
say that where you're going and you want a Cursed by the
1:05:06
Wrestling Gods? This is where you look at a
1:05:08
gimmick or a person, a full career.
1:05:11
It could be an event, a type of match, whatever.
1:05:13
It is just something that you know didn't work out due to sort
1:05:16
of unforeseen circumstances. Maybe somebody had great promise
1:05:18
and didn't fulfill it and we'll discuss whether we think that's
1:05:21
the case or not. It's my pick this week and I
1:05:23
have gone with Nelson Lee Fraser Junior who you may know as
1:05:28
Vizira, Big Daddy V or of course Mabel in his first WWE run.
1:05:35
What's your thoughts when asked to talk about Viscera or Mabel
1:05:38
or Big Daddy V Luke? I get annoyed with what culture
1:05:42
because I once submitted an idea where I wanted to rank all the
1:05:45
different characters of Mabel and they said that wasn't
1:05:49
something that would be interested in.
1:05:50
So I like his different characters, and I still think
1:05:53
that should be an article that's published on their listing
1:05:55
website. Who needs who needs print based
1:05:58
text when we start a podcast? And we're going to talk about
1:06:01
Mabel right now, buddy. Exactly, and I'll give you my
1:06:05
list at the end of it, but no, is someone that like because my
1:06:09
first kind of like introduction to him was when he was in the
1:06:12
like the ministry, like of darkness where he was like had
1:06:15
the big black and like the big black leather trench coat on.
1:06:19
And like you have the bleach blonde Mohawk and the PS NS.
1:06:21
And like I thought like I would be 8 or 9 that he looked cool.
1:06:25
Do you know what I mean? Like as in he looked completely
1:06:27
different than anyone else that had on the card.
1:06:30
And I think that was always the case with him.
1:06:32
So like, I always kind of had a bit of a soft spot for him.
1:06:36
Yeah, I mean, the guy is 6 foot 9, right?
1:06:38
And he's like 487 lbs. So he's a big guy and spot on
1:06:42
me. He's got the Mohawk, he's got
1:06:44
the look, you know, he stands out, which is fantastic.
1:06:49
He begins his career in 1991 and he's sort of working in A tag
1:06:52
team called the Harlem Knights. They are signed to the WWF.
1:06:59
And yeah, sort of, I think the Harlem Knights are given the new
1:07:01
gimmick where they're called men on a Mission.
1:07:03
As we mentioned earlier, Nelson became comes Mabel, his tag team
1:07:07
partner Bobby become more and they get a rapid manager named
1:07:11
Oscar. They're called mountain mission
1:07:14
in the Don colourful Guiya and we're sort of introduced to the
1:07:17
WF in June of 1993 vignettes produced for them portraying
1:07:24
them as African American men trying to make a positive change
1:07:27
in inner city neighborhoods. So when I think something Amber
1:07:30
drew staff, maybe he did and they established themselves as
1:07:33
faces, which is the main thing in the sort of made their paper
1:07:38
through debut with Survivor Series November team of the Bush
1:07:41
team of the Bushwalker has to defeat Bomber Bigelow, Bastian
1:07:44
Booga and the Headstringers in a foreign force of our series of
1:07:47
the Nation match. And yeah, the tag team don't
1:07:55
really do much and obviously Mabel's on for bigger things
1:08:00
when he does win King of the Ring.
1:08:04
Can you remember Mabel winning King of the Ring and sort of the
1:08:08
big deal it was at the time? So I can't remember like that.
1:08:12
Like it was wasn't when I was actively watching, but it's
1:08:14
something that I always kind of like, again, think about Kevin
1:08:19
Nash talking about there's a really good kind of a source, we
1:08:21
call it a shoot interview where he talks about like how nobody
1:08:25
saw that coming backstage and people were quite surprised by
1:08:28
it. And like, when you look back at
1:08:29
it now, when how his career spanned out, it seems like a bit
1:08:33
mad. Well, I think the King of the
1:08:35
Ring is one of those ones where you've got to try something,
1:08:38
haven't you? So like it's, I don't think it's
1:08:39
like, I think it's cool that they at least try to push
1:08:41
someone different. Definitely, as we've said, he's
1:08:45
a big guy, He's big, he stands out, He's quite stylish in a way
1:08:49
where his styles like legitimately his, if that makes
1:08:52
sense. And yeah, like if you've got
1:08:55
someone big who's legit, who's legitimate threat, you need to
1:08:58
push them as that and being competitive in King of the Ring
1:09:01
is that. But yeah, you're right.
1:09:02
So you sort of the tag team fizzles out and out of nowhere
1:09:07
he does get a push as a singles wrestler.
1:09:10
He defeats Savio Vega to win the King of the Ring tournament in
1:09:12
June. After the victory, becomes one
1:09:15
as King Mabel. So that's his second Mabel name,
1:09:18
and Moore becomes his manager. And he's called Sermo, of
1:09:22
course, because he's the manager of King Mabel.
1:09:27
Used to get carried around didn't he?
1:09:29
As well as fuck me. That must have took some
1:09:31
lifting. Yeah, and he's also awarded the
1:09:33
championship belt and grave of King of the Ring, so yeah.
1:09:38
Kind of do that now. Don't know that's that's kind of
1:09:40
been brought, but I'm sure that with the Saudi championship.
1:09:42
So yeah, I mean, it's not something that's that unheard of
1:09:44
now. But I never knew we had a title
1:09:47
though. I never knew we had that.
1:09:48
So I don't use on television. Looks like me.
1:09:50
We didn't, but it was created for him.
1:09:52
So yeah. So the we trying things and
1:09:55
creating things for him to push him.
1:09:58
So he's obviously the WFS top heel and King Mabel just
1:10:00
challenged Diesel for the WF Championship at Summer Slam.
1:10:04
He obviously does not win that King of the ring.
1:10:11
He failed to win the championship from Diesel.
1:10:13
According to Frazier. He reckons that Finsock man
1:10:15
planned for him to win the title, which fell through due to
1:10:18
backstage influence on the Click.
1:10:20
And then sort of from Summer Slam in the October in your
1:10:27
house for Mabel fights you because we went to a double
1:10:29
camera. So he's already finding his way
1:10:31
down the card and not winning things.
1:10:35
Mabel ends up in a high profile feud with the Undertaker though,
1:10:38
after he helps Yokozuna attack it down Undertaker in sort of,
1:10:44
you know, from there just goes more and more downhill.
1:10:47
Mabel loses the Undertaker on a casket match.
1:10:51
Mabel's push comes to an end. He wrestles the last three
1:10:53
matches in 1996. He's buried in an 8 second loss
1:10:56
to Diesel at New Year's, the edition of Raw.
1:10:59
He loses another Casket match, Undertaker, on the January 6th
1:11:01
edition of WF Superstars. And he fails to win the Wire
1:11:04
Rumble in Not January. And then he's released for a
1:11:08
bit. Works some Indies.
1:11:11
He does spend some time in ACW when I say that I think it's one
1:11:14
appearance in ECW. But he does return to the
1:11:17
company in 1998 for the Ministry of darkness in the corporate
1:11:20
ministry, which is what you've just said to where he's sort of
1:11:24
he's there, but he's he's more of a sudden falls off of the
1:11:29
ministries and he has my memory of it.
1:11:31
Yeah, but I think that's a good role, isn't it?
1:11:33
Like he's imposed and that's the express you when they had him in
1:11:35
the all black leather and stuff like that.
1:11:37
Like he looks terrifying. He does.
1:11:40
That's a big thing. He looks terrifying.
1:11:41
He looks legit. He's a monster, right?
1:11:43
And he's a killer and sadly doesn't happen for him in
1:11:48
becoming a world champion or having like a long career.
1:11:51
He is the hardcore champion in around 1999 and he's released in
1:11:56
2002 again. So he's only here for like
1:11:59
another couple of years, goes back to the indie circuit. 2004
1:12:03
he returns again to the company and then this is where he
1:12:09
because a few different cool storylines, like one of them
1:12:12
involves Sheldon Benjamin, I think.
1:12:17
Does he get involved with shot and then just mom?
1:12:19
I can't remember what that's a thing.
1:12:20
Yeah, because doesn't he become like the big love machine and he
1:12:23
starts wearing like pajamas? Big Daddy V yeah, was just just
1:12:28
change his name and yeah, like he's back, he's back to the
1:12:34
company for a bit. Gets involved with Shot and
1:12:36
Benjamin. He's Big Daddy V, but you know,
1:12:40
by the end of 2008 he's he's gone again.
1:12:44
He wrestles for the N.W.A bit as King V.
1:12:46
He wrestles in some Indies. He goes to old Japan wrestling
1:12:50
for sort of 2000 and ten 2011 where he was known as Big Daddy
1:12:54
Voodoo and later just Big Daddy. But yeah, that's pretty much it.
1:13:00
Sadly, Mabel or Frasier he died of a heart attack on February
1:13:05
18th, 2014, just four days after his 43rd birthday.
1:13:09
He had dropped 100 lbs and so his blood pressure dropped to a
1:13:12
healthy level, but you know that type of life he.
1:13:17
He had passed away on the 1st anniversary of his death, though
1:13:21
his widow father Wrongful death loss regains.
1:13:23
WE alleging that the company had concealed information,
1:13:27
misrepresented research and misinformed Vizrah and other
1:13:29
wrestlers on performance risks straight to concussions and CTE
1:13:34
injuries, which the suit claimed left him with severe short term
1:13:38
memory loss, migraines and depression which contributed to
1:13:41
his health. WWE attorney Jerry Mcdivitt
1:13:43
responded to in an interview with The Boss and Herald,
1:13:46
explaining that the company was considering pursuing action
1:13:50
against her attorney. As they've been involved all
1:13:54
that also it's against Dewey. Dewey said the death was tragic,
1:13:58
but added it's ridiculous that someone can try to blame someone
1:14:00
because a gentleman with the way a condition died of a heart
1:14:03
attack in the shower is. After he last performed, the
1:14:06
lawsuit was dismissed by AUS District Judge to basically said
1:14:12
that they failed to show his death to linked to CTE.
1:14:15
So bit of a bitter end for Frazier's family.
1:14:19
And yeah, I think, you know, he's with the company like 3 * 3
1:14:22
different stints. I think each time he sort of
1:14:26
gets some screen time and some pushes.
1:14:28
You know our first one, you know he's in A tag team.
1:14:31
It's not quite working. You know comes king of the ring,
1:14:33
King Mabel. Obviously the don't pull the
1:14:35
trigger on and beating diesel and he comes back the next time
1:14:38
he's in the ministry. You know he's working in a team
1:14:41
with the undertaker, you know and those guys and they were
1:14:43
very big at the time. The attitude of the Arsen's on
1:14:46
its all time boom period right positive thing, but then again
1:14:49
he's around for a bit, but then he goes again.
1:14:51
Then he comes back in. You know, he's working the likes
1:14:57
of shuttle Benjamin, but it's it's more for the advancement of
1:15:00
Shelton than him in those types of storylines.
1:15:02
Like he's Korea, you know, king of the ring.
1:15:05
He's wrestling an Undertaker in like multiple types of matches,
1:15:09
including casket matches. You know, he's worked some great
1:15:11
opponents and he's had some big pushes and some big moments, but
1:15:14
then it just doesn't doesn't work out.
1:15:18
Is there a world, do you think where Mabel or Viscera or Big
1:15:22
Daddy V or Frasier would be a world champion, do you think?
1:15:26
I think, yeah, I think you probably got closer than a lot
1:15:29
of people have. I would, to be honest.
1:15:30
I think, you know, him saying that he didn't win the title
1:15:33
because of the click might have some truth to it, because I say
1:15:35
it was they come back in my head for this.
1:15:37
But I've definitely seen an interview and Nash where he was,
1:15:40
he was essentially saying that like he didn't win the world
1:15:43
title because he was too dangerous.
1:15:44
He kept injuring people. So the.
1:15:46
Court, court. I remember like the back of me,
1:15:48
my hand is that Nash? Nash, because he's got to be a
1:15:51
word, says obviously Mabel was injuring some people, so he was
1:15:56
maybe not the safest to workers, not on purpose, but obviously
1:15:59
not the safest. But I think he'd injured some of
1:16:01
the Samoans. And then Nash famously says if
1:16:05
you are injuring Samoans, it's time to shut that ride down
1:16:08
because obviously. There's yeah, that's.
1:16:10
Like if you're, if you're actually able to hurt them,
1:16:12
they're like you're not working safe at all.
1:16:15
Shut that ride down. So you can kind of imagine
1:16:17
there's truth to both sides of that where like Nash has
1:16:19
probably gone to people backstage and says he's
1:16:21
dangerous. So it kind of them might have
1:16:24
made them flip the decision on when the title.
1:16:25
So I feel like it does sound like he's pretty close to
1:16:28
winning it. And when he came back, you know,
1:16:30
it's not the main one, but when he when he that kind of final
1:16:34
repatch in WWE is Big Daddy VI. Remember it well because it was
1:16:38
on that repackaged WWE ECW. And if you did, if you did with
1:16:44
Pumpkin Cane for the ECW title a couple of times and that was
1:16:48
like right at the like kind of last character revision of them
1:16:51
there. So I think that again, you know,
1:16:53
he was back in the title picture.
1:16:55
So again, like, is there a world where he could it be world
1:16:57
title? Yes, because it sounds like in
1:16:59
the 90s he might have been if he hadn't gone around injuring
1:17:02
people and the click didn't have such a presence.
1:17:04
And then yes, under the WWE ECW, because that brand was almost
1:17:09
quite experimental at times. So who knows, maybe he's one day
1:17:12
they might have thought, fuck it, let's see what he's like as
1:17:14
the champion. So I think, yeah, there's
1:17:15
definitely a universe where he could have been world champion.
1:17:18
I just think he was, he's a throwback, isn't he?
1:17:22
I think maybe he's one of the things I like kind of had that
1:17:25
soft spot for him is that like he's got that kind of giant
1:17:27
haystacks Big Daddy, but not Big Daddy V, but you know, UK Big
1:17:31
Daddy look to him and you don't see a lot of that anymore.
1:17:35
And there's there's a reason for it is because the industry's
1:17:38
moved on. But yeah, I think he was maybe
1:17:39
he's like, had he been around even five years earlier, I think
1:17:43
he might have definitely had a world title run.
1:17:47
Yeah, and I said the guy, you know, he's big, He looks legit.
1:17:51
He looks unique and like, yeah, it's definitely like he's a
1:17:54
killer. And if you book him that way, he
1:17:55
can be. And I think, yeah, I think it's
1:17:58
definitely well where they do pull the trigger on him and give
1:18:00
him a chance. But obviously you get so close
1:18:03
but doesn't happen. So he does end up with just he
1:18:05
wins the hardcore championship once.
1:18:07
He does win the tag Team Championships once.
1:18:09
And he is the king of the ring winner in 1995.
1:18:14
So, yeah, rest in Grace Mabel. Again, I always enjoyed, I
1:18:20
always enjoyed watching. Indeed, I always enjoyed
1:18:22
watching because Guinea was unique and just watching them in
1:18:24
the ring was like, it was a spectacle.
1:18:26
You know, it was like something you don't see every day.
1:18:29
Yeah, like, fantastic. But yes.
1:18:32
Nelson Leifer. Yeah.
1:18:33
Rest in peace, buddy. Yeah, you might think that like
1:18:37
if I had it, if you had to been around now, there might have
1:18:39
been able to handle them more as an attraction where I know
1:18:42
there's a lot of people quite negative about how WE book or
1:18:45
Moss, but like he was kind of used as an attraction for a bit.
1:18:49
Still is. I know he's in a triple at the
1:18:51
moment. But yeah, maybe he's ever had it
1:18:53
been kind of him with that look now there might have been kind
1:18:57
of a work, a better work around for him.
1:18:59
Maybe he's not being as kind of crisp in the ring as everyone
1:19:02
else. Yeah, definitely.
1:19:05
Well, that brings an end to Cursed by the Wrestling Gods.
1:19:10
That brings us to our pro wrestling feel good fact of the
1:19:12
week. Luke, between you, I'm going to
1:19:13
take the lead on. Yeah.
1:19:15
So this week, kind of feel good fact moment, I've gone with
1:19:18
Christian's first world title win in WWE.
1:19:21
So not the ACW title that we just kind of touched upon that
1:19:24
was a bit flippant. But when he beat Alberto Del Rio
1:19:27
for the world title, what's your kind of memory of that
1:19:30
happening? I remember like this is after
1:19:33
Edge is retired, right? So it's a bit like he does it
1:19:35
for Edge, he does it for himself.
1:19:38
And it's like I have had some feelings like when when rear one
1:19:44
after Eddie's death, obviously Edge hadn't died, but you know,
1:19:47
Edge's career was, we believed over.
1:19:52
No, 100% and that's why I've picked it as I kind of the feel
1:19:54
good. So it does.
1:19:55
It comes directly off the back. So obviously Edge retires
1:19:58
because of his neck injury. Nobody saw that comment kind of
1:20:00
as the viewer. So that was a surprise in and of
1:20:03
itself. So then that's then sets up the
1:20:06
world title match for the vegan title at extreme rules of that
1:20:10
year. So you've got the match Del Rio
1:20:12
Christian. What I liked about it even a bit
1:20:15
more feel good factor. It was a ladder match.
1:20:17
So obviously, you know, Edge, Christian Hardy's, Dudley's, you
1:20:19
know, synonymous with. The TLC matches.
1:20:23
So I thought it was a nice little kind of added extra that
1:20:26
he won his first kind of major world title in the WWE in a
1:20:30
ladder match. It was off the back of Edge
1:20:32
retiring and Edge gets involved in the ring by kind of driving
1:20:36
out. I think it was a truck to
1:20:38
distract El Rio. So not only does he get to kind
1:20:40
of win his first world title kind of for Edge in a ladder
1:20:44
match, edges there to have that moment with him as well.
1:20:47
So I think it's kind of one of those often forgotten world
1:20:50
title wins, but I think there's kind of enough kind of plate
1:20:53
spinning in it that make it kind of really cool good feel factor
1:20:56
moment. Yeah, definitely Christian
1:20:59
somebody who was maybe overlooked as well.
1:21:00
Certainly people saying that the tag team syndrome have one of
1:21:05
them, one of them. Sure Mike wasn't one of those
1:21:07
more genetic right and has to be one of the other.
1:21:09
And I think maybe there's a time People for Christian was the
1:21:11
more genetic of edging Christian.
1:21:13
But he proves that he can win the big one.
1:21:16
And he does it sort of with the love and embrace of his talking
1:21:19
part, which is absolutely wonderful.
1:21:21
And as well, like it's I think Edge said it fairly recently in
1:21:24
an interview that like when Christian I actually probably
1:21:27
retires, I think people will then really start a look, kind
1:21:29
of look back and realize like how fun good he was.
1:21:33
And that kind of what made us think about this is the feel
1:21:35
good moment as well as kind of like after he wins the world
1:21:38
title, he then goes on to have like a full summer series of
1:21:41
matches with Randy Orton Mitchell.
1:21:43
I absolutely unbelievable. We could maybe pick one of those
1:21:45
for a moment in time because there's like 3 or 4 matches and
1:21:48
like all the motors absolutely brilliant and the kind of flip
1:21:50
flop the belt between each other as well.
1:21:52
So although the feud went on a while, it was still exciting
1:21:56
because kind of they were dropping the belt all the time
1:21:58
flight to and from each other. So you could.
1:22:00
Be one more match. One more match.
1:22:03
That was it. Yeah, exactly.
1:22:04
Yeah, that. Was where it started, wasn't it?
1:22:06
One more match because it kept flipping that much that Chris,
1:22:09
she was like, give us one more March.
1:22:11
Yeah, it was. And obviously then obviously,
1:22:13
yeah, led to a heel turn eventually.
1:22:15
But yeah, it was, I thought it was a really cool moment because
1:22:17
he was someone who, as he said, you know, maybe people have
1:22:19
painted him as the mortgage and that he he had gone away in one
1:22:22
TNA world title, which obviously nothing the recent if that.
1:22:25
And he'd been brought back and he'd won the ACW title.
1:22:27
But it's like, again, that kind of had connotations that it
1:22:31
wasn't as important as other belts, which was probably
1:22:33
definitely the case. So it was just, yeah, like you
1:22:36
say, a really cool moment to kindly finally see him RIP that,
1:22:39
RIP that belt down and not be A tag team belt or an IC title
1:22:42
belt. No, definitely absolutely agree
1:22:45
with that Luke. Brilliant thing to pick then.
1:22:48
A positive moment in wrestling I suppose.
1:22:51
Do you think we'll ever see Christian back in WWE or see
1:22:53
still working AWI? Don't you know, you never say
1:22:58
never, But I think that one might.
1:23:00
I think you'll definitely be in the Hall of Fame.
1:23:02
And I think Edge and Christian might go in together as well.
1:23:05
But they're not not anytime soon.
1:23:07
But no, I said he's he's one of the like, you know, going back
1:23:10
kind of sorry, but like he's been one of the best that he
1:23:13
hasn't been on for a while now. But like his run in AW where,
1:23:18
you know, he was the patriarch was absolutely fucking
1:23:20
brilliant. Speaking of fucking off the cuff
1:23:21
comments, he made a lot of comments like that.
1:23:23
Yeah, you could maybe bring up now, but like he was that was
1:23:26
brilliant. It'll run it.
1:23:27
Was indeed. It was indeed.
1:23:30
Do you think? Obviously I don't edges do
1:23:32
Batman television soon now he's been filming things.
1:23:35
Do you think we see them? Too bad to get an AW then and
1:23:37
sort of one last run. I think they've had the match
1:23:40
having this, so I don't think it necessarily needs to be done,
1:23:43
but I could see them. But obviously they got took out
1:23:46
by FTR. Didn't know.
1:23:47
So there's movies that bridge to do and there's a lot of rumours
1:23:49
that there's a big, there's a big AW pay review schedule for
1:23:53
Toronto this year and a lot of people seem to have that pegged
1:23:56
as Edges final match. So we'll see.
1:23:58
But I did, I did meet Christian once.
1:24:00
I was told about that when I was in New Orleans.
1:24:02
No, I don't think so. So I went, it was he wasn't with
1:24:05
W at the time. So it was one of the like
1:24:07
wrestle con conventions. And like I was, I was fucking
1:24:10
hanging actually spotlight. I'd bought me ticket for sake to
1:24:13
get me picture of Christians was like, I'll go, I'll go.
1:24:16
But it was when Edge and Christian were doing their
1:24:18
podcast and can can remember the character Christian used to do
1:24:22
called Paul smackage. I used to talk like this and I
1:24:25
want to roll you up brother, out of no way.
1:24:27
So I say I was I think I was still drunk and I finally got me
1:24:30
Christian and I caught him. Like I wasn't actually that
1:24:32
bothered about meeting you a day.
1:24:34
And he kind of looked at his like, where the fuck's this
1:24:36
going? I I really wanted to meet Paul
1:24:38
smackage, but I can't see him anywhere.
1:24:39
And then he just dove straight in the character like, Oh,
1:24:42
brother, I heard Paul smackages on Bourbon Street last night
1:24:45
rolling people up till the early hours, and it was like a really
1:24:47
cool little moment with him. And then I got me fought when he
1:24:50
did the Captain Christmas. He was a really cool guy.
1:24:52
I mean, he was, and I love that kind of having that moment.
1:24:55
How Yeah. You went to that character for
1:24:57
us because I brought it up. That is awesome.
1:24:59
I think of course, I mean sometimes Christian was a Dick.
1:25:01
I think people, certainly when you listen to the head chance
1:25:04
Michael doing on my eyes talk about the peer, I'll be a bit of
1:25:07
angry asshole sometimes like a nice one, but angry asshole.
1:25:10
But yeah, I think it's good. Funny, though, I think it's
1:25:12
like, yeah, like like a bit snidey, but good.
1:25:14
Like not like not not going out. You will be like a prick.
1:25:17
Yeah, but the fuck you fuck for you there.
1:25:19
He's like, no, he's just, he's brought it up.
1:25:21
I'm going to do the character for get in like that's what's
1:25:24
wonderful. Especially because I started
1:25:26
with that, didn't really want to meet you a day like I think he
1:25:28
was. I think he was about like what
1:25:30
the fuck you doing? But then like I managed to pull
1:25:32
it back. Yeah, that is, that is awesome.
1:25:35
You have to, you have to send us a picture of you and Christian
1:25:38
if you've got it for the for the podcast.
1:25:40
I have got it. Yeah.
1:25:41
Well, I'll send it over. Yeah, put it.
1:25:42
Put it on the socials. Yeah, put it on the socials.
1:25:44
Well, indeed, and that's what brings us to the perfect
1:25:46
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1:25:49
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1:25:52
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1:26:21
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1:26:33
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1:26:37
Luke, any closing thoughts for myself or the listeners?
1:26:41
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