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Former Knick Kiki VanDeWeghe, Musician Les Dudek · WGBB Sports Talk New York

• 0:29
  Good
• 0:29
  evening
• 0:29
  and
• 0:29
  hello
• 0:29
  again
• 0:29
  everybody.Welcome
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  to
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  Sports
• 0:29
  Talk
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  New
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  York
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  on
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  WGBBMerrick,LongIsland,onwgb,Merrick,
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  Long
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  Island,NewYork.IamBill
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  Donahue.I'mherewithyouonthis,the2nddayofMarch,2025.OurengineerBrianGravesus.Asalways,we
• 0:48
  haveagreat
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  show
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  linedformerNickandformercoachoftheNets,KikiVanderway.Inthesecondhalf,weswitchgears
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  former
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  coach
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  of
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  the
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  Nets,
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  Kiki
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  VanDeWeghe.
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  In
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  the
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  second
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  half,
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  we
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  switch
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  gears
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  as
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  we
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  do
• 1:04
  occasionally,
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  we'll
• 1:05
  welcome
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  in
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  singer,
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  songwriter,
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  guitarist
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  Les
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  Dudek.
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  So
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  sit
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  back,
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  relax,
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  get
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  yourself
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  a
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  snack
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  and
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  a
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  drink.
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  We'll
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  wait
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  for
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  you.
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  Go
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  ahead.
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  No,
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  I'm
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  only
• 1:17
  kidding.
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  And
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  get
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  comfy.
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  Enjoy
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  the
• 1:19
  show
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  tonight.
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  As
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  always.
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  Before
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  we
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  start,
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  I
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  invite
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  alook.YoucanalsofollowmeonXDonahuewgbb.Alloneword.Andifyoumissashowhereatgbb,don'tworrybecausethey'reoutonourwebsitethenextdayatwww.sportstalknewyork.com.catchup
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  atyourleisure.Well,
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  beingthatwe'retalkinghoopstonighton
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  theshow,Iwouldliketomention
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  tonightistheanniversaryofthegamewhenWiltChamberlainpouredin100pointsagainstDarrellImhoffandtheNewYorkKnicks.ThatwasattheHersheyparkarenainofcourseHershey,Pennsylvania.Itwasthesweetest
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  placeonearththatnightforWiltandthePhiladelphiawarriors.ThatwasMarch2,1962.Nowwhenyoutakethe
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  kidsouttoHersheypark,thatarenastillstands.Insidethepark,it'snottheGiantcenterwheretheHersheyBearsgate.It'stheolderlookingbuilding.And
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  that'swhereWiltdidhisdamagetotheKnicksthatnight.Well,ourfirstguest,aswesaid,formerNick,formercoachof
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  theNets,twotimeNBAAllStar,averagedalmost20
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  pointsagameforhisstellarNBAcareer,currentlyworksfortheNBA.IwelcometoSportsTalkNewYorktonight,KikiVanderway.Kiki,goodevening.
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  Good
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  evening.
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  It's
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  a
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  pleasure
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  to
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  be
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  with
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  you.
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  Hello
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  to
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  everybody.
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  Great
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  to
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  have
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  you.
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  Everyone
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  is
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  well
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  here.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  asking.
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  Now
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  your
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  dad
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  of
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  course
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  was
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  Ernie
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  Vanduway.
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  He
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  was
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  a
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  local
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  boy.
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  He
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  played
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  for
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  the
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  Knicks
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  for
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  his
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  old
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  career
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  and
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  Oceanside
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  High
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  School
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  Oceanside.
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  Grew
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  up
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  in
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  Oceanside,
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  actually
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  was
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  born
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  in
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  Canada,
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  in
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  Montreal
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  and
• 3:06
  grew
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  up
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  in
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  Oceanside,
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  though.
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  And
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  the
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  interesting
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  thing
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  about
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  my
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  dad
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  was
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  he
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  went
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  to
• 3:12
  Colgate
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  and
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  he
• 3:15
  was
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  assigned
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  to
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  the
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  Knicks.
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  He
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  was
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  a
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  regional
• 3:19
  draft
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  choice.
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  I
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  don't
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  think
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  they
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  even
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  have
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  that
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  anymore.
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  That's
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  not
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  even
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  on
• 3:22
  the
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  books.
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  Right.
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  So
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  he
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  was
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  going
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  to
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  go
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  to.
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  He
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  was
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  going
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  to
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  medical
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  school
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  and
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  had
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  planned
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  to
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  go
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  to
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  medical
• 3:27
  school
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  and
• 3:28
  was
• 3:28
  not
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  going
• 3:28
  to
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  play
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  basketball.
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  But
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  the
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  NBA
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  made
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  an
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  exception
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  and
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  said,
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  look,
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  if
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  you're
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  in
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  New
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  York
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  and
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  that's
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  where
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  you're
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  going
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  to
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  go,
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  all
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  right,
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  fine,
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  you
• 3:37
  can,
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  you
• 3:39
  can
• 3:39
  go
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  the
• 3:39
  Knicks.
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  And
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  things
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  were
• 3:41
  a
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  little
• 3:41
  bit
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  different
• 3:42
  back
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  then,
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  as
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  you
• 3:44
  know.
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  But
• 3:44
  what
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  he
• 3:45
  used
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  to
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  do
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  is
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  take
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  the
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  subway
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  down
• 3:47
  Garden.
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  At
• 3:48
  that
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  time
• 3:48
  was
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  50th
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  and
• 3:49
  8th
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  subway
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  right
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  down
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  from
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  Columbia,
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  books
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  in
• 3:54
  hand,
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  run
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  across
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  the
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  street,
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  you
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  know,
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  right
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  by
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  the
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  second
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  quarter
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  and
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  you
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  know,
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  warmed
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  up
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  in
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  the
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  hallway
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  and
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  out
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  he
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  goes,
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  starts
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  the
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  second
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  quarter
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  and
• 4:03
  plays
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  the
• 4:04
  rest
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  of
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  game.
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  But
• 4:05
  didn't
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  travel.
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  That
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  was
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  an
• 4:06
  interesting
• 4:07
  team.
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  Did
• 4:08
  not
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  travel
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  except
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  in
• 4:09
  the
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  playoffs.
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  And
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  Knicks
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  were
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  obviously
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  at
• 4:12
  that
• 4:13
  time.
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  Anybody
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  who
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  remembers
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  were
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  very
• 4:15
  good
• 4:15
  at
• 4:15
  that
• 4:16
  time,
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  just
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  like
• 4:16
  they
• 4:16
  are
• 4:17
  now
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  and
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  made
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  the
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  finals
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  a
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  few
• 4:19
  years,
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  but
• 4:21
  he
• 4:22
  had
• 4:22
  a
• 4:22
  great
• 4:22
  career.
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  And
• 4:23
  it
• 4:23
  was
• 4:23
  always
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  because
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  of
• 4:25
  my
• 4:25
  dad,
• 4:25
  always
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  a
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  dream
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  for
• 4:27
  me
• 4:27
  to
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  play
• 4:28
  for
• 4:28
  the
• 4:28
  Knicks.
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  And
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  got
• 4:29
  to
• 4:29
  do
• 4:29
  that.
• 4:29
  So
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  very
• 4:30
  grateful
• 4:30
  for
• 4:30
  that.
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  You
• 4:31
  did.
• 4:31
  That's
• 4:31
  a
• 4:32
  great
• 4:32
  story,
• 4:32
  Kicky.
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  Nobody
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  probably
• 4:34
  knows
• 4:34
  that
• 4:35
  story
• 4:35
  now.
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  Another
• 4:36
  thing
• 4:36
  that
• 4:37
  people
• 4:37
  may
• 4:37
  not
• 4:37
  know
• 4:38
  is
• 4:38
  your
• 4:38
  mom,
• 4:39
  Colleen
• 4:40
  K.
• 4:40
  Hutchins
• 4:41
  was
• 4:41
  Miss
• 4:41
  Utah
• 4:42
  and
• 4:42
  also
• 4:43
  Miss
• 4:43
  America
• 4:44
  1952.
• 4:45
  How
• 4:45
  about
• 4:45
  that,
• 4:46
  folks?
• 4:46
  And
• 4:47
  your
• 4:47
  uncle
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  was
• 4:48
  Mel
• 4:48
  Hutchins,
• 4:49
  who
• 4:50
  also
• 4:50
  played
• 4:50
  for
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  Knicks.
• 4:51
  Quite
• 4:51
  a
• 4:51
  pedigree,
• 4:52
  Kiki,
• 4:52
  I
• 4:53
  gotta
• 4:53
  say.
• 4:54
  Well,
• 4:55
  you
• 4:55
  know,
• 4:55
  my
• 4:56
  uncle
• 4:56
  was
• 4:56
  a
• 4:56
  very
• 4:56
  good
• 4:57
  basketball
• 4:57
  player.
• 4:58
  He
• 4:58
  was
• 4:58
  a
• 4:58
  five
• 4:58
  time
• 4:58
  all
• 4:59
  Star
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  actually
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  a
• 5:01
  lot
• 5:01
  of
• 5:01
  people
• 5:01
  don't
• 5:01
  know.
• 5:02
  Got
• 5:02
  traded
• 5:03
  to
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  Knicks.
• 5:04
  He
• 5:04
  played
• 5:04
  for
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  Fort
• 5:05
  Wayne
• 5:05
  Pistons
• 5:06
  at
• 5:07
  that
• 5:07
  time
• 5:08
  and
• 5:09
  the
• 5:09
  Knicks
• 5:09
  traded
• 5:10
  for
• 5:10
  him,
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  think
• 5:11
  five
• 5:11
  or
• 5:11
  six
• 5:12
  players
• 5:12
  for
• 5:12
  him.
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  And
• 5:13
  he
• 5:13
  played
• 5:13
  only
• 5:14
  16
• 5:14
  games
• 5:15
  and
• 5:15
  got
• 5:15
  hurt.
• 5:15
  So
• 5:16
  we
• 5:16
  won't
• 5:16
  really
• 5:17
  relive
• 5:17
  that.
• 5:17
  But
• 5:17
  he
• 5:18
  was
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  good
• 5:18
  player,
• 5:19
  very
• 5:19
  good.
• 5:20
  And
• 5:20
  my
• 5:20
  mother
• 5:21
  obviously
• 5:21
  was,
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  know,
• 5:23
  very,
• 5:24
  very
• 5:24
  pretty
• 5:25
  and
• 5:27
  just
• 5:27
  a
• 5:27
  wonderful
• 5:28
  person.
• 5:29
  And
• 5:29
  was
• 5:30
  introduced
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  my
• 5:31
  dad
• 5:32
  by
• 5:32
  the
• 5:33
  gentleman
• 5:33
  and
• 5:33
  this
• 5:33
  is
• 5:33
  an
• 5:34
  old
• 5:34
  time
• 5:34
  name.
• 5:35
  Joey
• 5:35
  Goldstein
• 5:36
  was
• 5:37
  the
• 5:38
  next
• 5:39
  PR
• 5:39
  guy
• 5:41
  and
• 5:41
  introduced
• 5:42
  him
• 5:42
  to
• 5:42
  my
• 5:43
  dad
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  have
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  picture
• 5:44
  of
• 5:45
  them
• 5:45
  being
• 5:46
  introduced
• 5:47
  somewhere.
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  don't
• 5:48
  know,
• 5:48
  I've
• 5:49
  moved
• 5:49
  around
• 5:49
  so
• 5:49
  much
• 5:49
  But
• 5:50
  I
• 5:50
  do
• 5:50
  have
• 5:50
  it.
• 5:51
  And
• 5:52
  he's
• 5:52
  on
• 5:52
  the
• 5:53
  court.
• 5:53
  He's
• 5:53
  standing
• 5:54
  there
• 5:55
  right
• 5:56
  at
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  bench,
• 5:56
  talking
• 5:57
  to
• 5:57
  my
• 5:57
  mother,
• 5:58
  my
• 5:59
  future
• 5:59
  mother
• 6:00
  and
• 6:00
  his
• 6:00
  future
• 6:01
  wife.
• 6:02
  But
• 6:03
  both
• 6:03
  of
• 6:03
  them,
• 6:03
  they
• 6:03
  met
• 6:04
  that
• 6:04
  night.
• 6:04
  And
• 6:05
  according
• 6:05
  to
• 6:06
  both
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  them,
• 6:06
  they
• 6:06
  were
• 6:07
  inseparable
• 6:07
  after
• 6:07
  that.
• 6:10
  Yeah,
• 6:10
  Great,
• 6:10
  great
• 6:11
  love
• 6:11
  story.
• 6:12
  Definitely.
• 6:12
  Now,
• 6:13
  what
• 6:13
  teams
• 6:13
  and
• 6:14
  players
• 6:14
  did
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  root
• 6:15
  for
• 6:15
  as
• 6:15
  a
• 6:15
  youngster?
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  rooted
• 6:18
  for
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  Knicks.
• 6:19
  Okay.
• 6:20
  You
• 6:20
  know,
• 6:21
  that
• 6:21
  was.
• 6:22
  I
• 6:22
  was
• 6:22
  a
• 6:23
  busher
• 6:24
  guy.
• 6:25
  Love
• 6:25
  the
• 6:26
  Knicks.
• 6:26
  When
• 6:26
  they
• 6:27
  won
• 6:27
  their
• 6:27
  world
• 6:27
  championship,
• 6:28
  you
• 6:28
  know,
• 6:28
  we
• 6:28
  were
• 6:29
  out
• 6:29
  living
• 6:29
  out
• 6:29
  in
• 6:29
  Los
• 6:30
  Angeles
• 6:30
  at
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  time,
• 6:31
  so
• 6:32
  obviously
• 6:32
  a
• 6:32
  Laker
• 6:33
  fan.
• 6:33
  And.
• 6:34
  Except
• 6:35
  when
• 6:35
  they
• 6:35
  were
• 6:35
  playing
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  Knicks
• 6:36
  and,
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  know,
• 6:38
  loved
• 6:39
  Jerry
• 6:39
  west
• 6:40
  and
• 6:40
  Elgin
• 6:40
  Baylor,
• 6:41
  Wilt
• 6:41
  Chamberlain,
• 6:43
  they
• 6:43
  just
• 6:43
  had,
• 6:44
  you
• 6:44
  know,
• 6:44
  fantastic
• 6:45
  superstars.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:47
  believe
• 6:47
  it
• 6:48
  or
• 6:48
  not,
• 6:48
  now,
• 6:48
  another
• 6:49
  interesting
• 6:49
  story.
• 6:50
  Jerry
• 6:51
  west,
• 6:51
  my
• 6:51
  dad
• 6:52
  was
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  team
• 6:52
  doctor,
• 6:53
  so
• 6:53
  he
• 6:54
  went
• 6:54
  over
• 6:54
  to
• 6:54
  Jerry
• 6:54
  West's
• 6:55
  house.
• 6:56
  His
• 6:56
  kids
• 6:56
  were
• 6:56
  sick,
• 6:57
  and
• 6:58
  I
• 6:59
  called
• 6:59
  him
• 6:59
  Mr.
• 7:00
  West.
• 7:00
  But
• 7:00
  Jerry
• 7:00
  west
• 7:01
  took
• 7:01
  me
• 7:01
  out
• 7:01
  in
• 7:01
  his
• 7:02
  driveway,
• 7:03
  taught
• 7:03
  me
• 7:04
  how
• 7:04
  to
• 7:04
  shoot
• 7:05
  basketball
• 7:06
  in
• 7:06
  his
• 7:06
  driveway.
• 7:07
  Not
• 7:08
  too
• 7:08
  shabby,
• 7:08
  Kiki.
• 7:09
  Yeah.
• 7:10
  I
• 7:10
  gotta
• 7:11
  tell
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  for.
• 7:11
  You
• 7:12
  know,
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  was
• 7:12
  about
• 7:13
  12,
• 7:13
  13
• 7:13
  years
• 7:14
  old.
• 7:14
  I
• 7:15
  really
• 7:15
  hadn't
• 7:15
  played
• 7:15
  much
• 7:16
  basketball.
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  was
• 7:16
  a
• 7:16
  swimmer
• 7:17
  before
• 7:17
  that.
• 7:18
  But
• 7:18
  to
• 7:19
  get,
• 7:19
  like,
• 7:19
  an
• 7:20
  All
• 7:20
  Star,
• 7:21
  unbelievable
• 7:22
  player.
• 7:23
  To
• 7:23
  me,
• 7:23
  it
• 7:23
  was
• 7:24
  like,
• 7:25
  oh,
• 7:25
  Michael
• 7:26
  Jordan
• 7:26
  took
• 7:26
  me
• 7:26
  out
• 7:26
  in
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  backyard
• 7:27
  and
• 7:27
  showed
• 7:28
  me.
• 7:28
  Gave
• 7:28
  me
• 7:28
  a
• 7:28
  shooting
• 7:29
  lesson.
• 7:29
  Okay,
• 7:31
  how
• 7:31
  do
• 7:31
  you
• 7:31
  top
• 7:31
  that?
• 7:33
  But,
• 7:33
  yeah,
• 7:34
  he
• 7:35
  was
• 7:35
  an
• 7:35
  amazing,
• 7:36
  amazing
• 7:36
  mentor.
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  was
• 7:37
  so
• 7:37
  lucky
• 7:37
  I
• 7:38
  had
• 7:38
  him
• 7:38
  as
• 7:38
  a
• 7:38
  mentor
• 7:40
  most
• 7:40
  of
• 7:41
  my
• 7:41
  life.
• 7:41
  Was,
• 7:41
  sorry
• 7:42
  to
• 7:42
  lose
• 7:42
  him
• 7:42
  last
• 7:43
  year,
• 7:43
  but
• 7:44
  he
• 7:44
  was
• 7:44
  a
• 7:44
  great
• 7:45
  influence
• 7:46
  and
• 7:47
  really
• 7:47
  a
• 7:47
  special
• 7:48
  guy.
• 7:48
  Yeah,
• 7:49
  those
• 7:49
  were
• 7:50
  magical
• 7:50
  matchups,
• 7:51
  Kiki,
• 7:52
  with
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  Knicks
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  those
• 7:54
  Lakers.
• 7:55
  Definitely.
• 7:56
  I
• 7:56
  remember
• 7:56
  as
• 7:56
  a
• 7:56
  kid
• 7:57
  listening
• 7:57
  to
• 7:57
  Marv
• 7:57
  Albert
• 7:58
  from
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  Garden
• 7:59
  on
• 7:59
  the
• 8:00
  transistor
• 8:00
  radio
• 8:01
  because
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  home
• 8:02
  games
• 8:02
  weren't
• 8:02
  on
• 8:03
  tv.
• 8:04
  You'd
• 8:04
  get
• 8:05
  to
• 8:05
  catch
• 8:05
  them
• 8:05
  out
• 8:05
  in
• 8:06
  L.
• 8:06
  A
• 8:06
  playing
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  Lakers
• 8:07
  then.
• 8:07
  But
• 8:08
  you
• 8:08
  had
• 8:08
  to
• 8:08
  listen
• 8:08
  to
• 8:08
  Marv
• 8:09
  on
• 8:09
  the
• 8:09
  radio.
• 8:10
  And
• 8:10
  he
• 8:11
  painted
• 8:11
  a
• 8:12
  wonderful
• 8:12
  picture
• 8:13
  for
• 8:13
  us
• 8:13
  on
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  radio.
• 8:14
  Now,
• 8:15
  I
• 8:15
  gotta
• 8:15
  ask
• 8:15
  you,
• 8:16
  you
• 8:16
  played
• 8:16
  your
• 8:17
  college
• 8:17
  ball
• 8:17
  at
• 8:18
  ucla,
• 8:19
  but
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  played
• 8:19
  for
• 8:20
  Larry
• 8:20
  Brown,
• 8:20
  who
• 8:21
  never
• 8:21
  coached
• 8:22
  in
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  college
• 8:22
  ranks
• 8:23
  before
• 8:23
  that.
• 8:24
  From
• 8:24
  where
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  stand,
• 8:25
  Kiki,
• 8:26
  what
• 8:26
  was
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  difference,
• 8:27
  do
• 8:27
  you
• 8:28
  think,
• 8:28
  playing
• 8:28
  for
• 8:28
  Larry
• 8:29
  than
• 8:29
  playing
• 8:30
  for
• 8:30
  Coach
• 8:30
  Wooden?
• 8:33
  So
• 8:33
  I
• 8:33
  never
• 8:34
  played
• 8:34
  for
• 8:34
  Coach
• 8:34
  Wooden,
• 8:35
  but
• 8:35
  we.
• 8:36
  I
• 8:36
  had
• 8:36
  three
• 8:36
  coaches
• 8:37
  in
• 8:37
  Utah,
• 8:37
  ucla.
• 8:38
  It
• 8:38
  started
• 8:39
  with
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  coach
• 8:39
  right
• 8:40
  after
• 8:40
  John
• 8:41
  Wooden,
• 8:41
  which
• 8:42
  was
• 8:42
  Gene
• 8:42
  Bartow.
• 8:44
  Great,
• 8:45
  fantastic
• 8:46
  coach.
• 8:47
  One
• 8:47
  of
• 8:47
  the
• 8:47
  nicest
• 8:48
  people
• 8:48
  you'll
• 8:48
  ever
• 8:48
  meet
• 8:49
  in
• 8:49
  sports.
• 8:50
  He's
• 8:50
  passed
• 8:50
  away,
• 8:51
  unfortunately.
• 8:52
  And
• 8:52
  then
• 8:52
  Gary
• 8:52
  Cunningham,
• 8:53
  who
• 8:54
  was
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  long
• 8:54
  time.
• 8:55
  He
• 8:55
  was
• 8:55
  a
• 8:55
  Wooden
• 8:56
  player,
• 8:56
  played
• 8:56
  for
• 8:56
  ucla,
• 8:57
  but
• 8:57
  a
• 8:57
  Wooden
• 8:58
  disciple.
• 8:59
  And
• 8:59
  then
• 8:59
  my
• 8:59
  last
• 9:00
  year
• 9:01
  played
• 9:02
  for
• 9:02
  Larry
• 9:02
  Brown
• 9:03
  and
• 9:04
  lifelong
• 9:05
  friendship
• 9:05
  with
• 9:05
  Larry
• 9:06
  Brown.
• 9:07
  Larry
• 9:08
  is
• 9:09
  one
• 9:09
  of
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  most
• 9:09
  creative
• 9:11
  coaches
• 9:11
  you'll
• 9:12
  ever
• 9:12
  meet
• 9:12
  in
• 9:13
  his
• 9:14
  brother
• 9:14
  Eubie.
• 9:16
  Both
• 9:16
  of
• 9:17
  them,
• 9:17
  they
• 9:17
  really,
• 9:18
  really
• 9:18
  know
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  game.
• 9:20
  And
• 9:20
  he
• 9:21
  first
• 9:21
  introduced
• 9:22
  me
• 9:22
  because
• 9:22
  we
• 9:22
  ran
• 9:23
  what
• 9:23
  was
• 9:23
  called
• 9:24
  a
• 9:24
  UCLA
• 9:25
  offense
• 9:25
  or
• 9:26
  a
• 9:26
  high
• 9:26
  post
• 9:26
  offense
• 9:28
  and
• 9:28
  very
• 9:29
  traditional
• 9:29
  stuff
• 9:30
  my
• 9:30
  first
• 9:30
  three
• 9:31
  years.
• 9:31
  And
• 9:31
  Larry
• 9:32
  introduced
• 9:32
  a
• 9:32
  passing
• 9:33
  game.
• 9:34
  And
• 9:34
  passing
• 9:35
  game
• 9:35
  is
• 9:36
  basically
• 9:36
  very
• 9:37
  similar
• 9:37
  to
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  modern
• 9:38
  day
• 9:38
  basketball
• 9:39
  today.
• 9:40
  And
• 9:40
  where
• 9:41
  there's
• 9:41
  a
• 9:41
  lot
• 9:41
  of
• 9:42
  movement,
• 9:42
  there's
• 9:43
  a
• 9:43
  lot
• 9:43
  of
• 9:43
  pick
• 9:43
  and
• 9:44
  rolls
• 9:44
  and
• 9:44
  backdoors.
• 9:45
  And
• 9:46
  Rick
• 9:46
  Pitino
• 9:47
  was,
• 9:48
  well,
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  was
• 9:48
  lucky
• 9:49
  enough
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  play
• 9:49
  for
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  year
• 9:51
  at
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  Knicks,
• 9:52
  you
• 9:52
  know,
• 9:52
  great
• 9:52
  proponent
• 9:53
  of
• 9:53
  that
• 9:53
  great
• 9:54
  college
• 9:54
  coach.
• 9:54
  But
• 9:55
  Larry
• 9:56
  was
• 9:56
  unique.
• 9:58
  He
• 9:58
  was
• 9:58
  a
• 9:58
  different
• 9:59
  kind
• 9:59
  of
• 9:59
  coach.
• 10:00
  Very
• 10:00
  emotional,
• 10:01
  very
• 10:02
  driven.
• 10:03
  And,
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  know,
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  was
• 10:05
  very
• 10:05
  lucky
• 10:05
  to
• 10:05
  have
• 10:06
  him
• 10:06
  because
• 10:07
  what.
• 10:08
  What
• 10:08
  A
• 10:09
  lot
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  people,
• 10:10
  no
• 10:10
  way
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  know
• 10:11
  this,
• 10:11
  but
• 10:11
  I'll
• 10:12
  tell
• 10:12
  you,
• 10:13
  don't
• 10:13
  tell
• 10:13
  anybody,
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  course,
• 10:14
  no.
• 10:14
  When
• 10:15
  Larry
• 10:15
  was
• 10:16
  my
• 10:16
  coach
• 10:16
  at
• 10:16
  ucla,
• 10:20
  I
• 10:20
  was
• 10:20
  having.
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  got
• 10:21
  drafted
• 10:22
  by
• 10:22
  the
• 10:22
  Dallas
• 10:22
  Mavericks
• 10:23
  and
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  didn't
• 10:25
  go
• 10:25
  play
• 10:26
  for
• 10:26
  Dallas.
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  was
• 10:27
  actually
• 10:27
  hurt
• 10:27
  and
• 10:28
  was
• 10:28
  having
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  little
• 10:29
  contract
• 10:29
  issue
• 10:30
  with
• 10:30
  them.
• 10:30
  It
• 10:30
  wasn't.
• 10:31
  Contracts
• 10:31
  were
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  little
• 10:32
  different
• 10:32
  back
• 10:32
  then
• 10:33
  in
• 10:34
  1980,
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  they
• 10:35
  were
• 10:36
  basically,
• 10:37
  you
• 10:37
  could
• 10:37
  sign
• 10:37
  for
• 10:38
  whatever
• 10:38
  the
• 10:39
  team
• 10:39
  would
• 10:39
  give
• 10:39
  you
• 10:39
  and
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  negotiated
• 10:40
  every
• 10:41
  contract.
• 10:41
  There
• 10:41
  aren't
• 10:41
  the
• 10:42
  salary
• 10:42
  cap
• 10:42
  rules.
• 10:43
  There
• 10:43
  were
• 10:43
  today.
• 10:44
  So
• 10:44
  anyway,
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  was
• 10:45
  sitting
• 10:45
  out
• 10:46
  and
• 10:47
  Larry
• 10:47
  called
• 10:48
  his
• 10:48
  best
• 10:49
  friend,
• 10:50
  a
• 10:50
  coach
• 10:50
  by
• 10:50
  the
• 10:50
  name
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  Doug
• 10:51
  Moe.
• 10:52
  Yeah,
• 10:52
  ABA
• 10:53
  guy,
• 10:54
  ABA
• 10:55
  guy,
• 10:55
  local
• 10:56
  New
• 10:56
  York
• 10:56
  head.
• 10:57
  And
• 10:58
  who
• 10:59
  all
• 10:59
  those
• 10:59
  guys
• 10:59
  played
• 11:00
  with
• 11:00
  my
• 11:00
  uncle,
• 11:01
  who
• 11:01
  was
• 11:01
  Gary
• 11:02
  Vanderway,
• 11:02
  who
• 11:03
  was
• 11:03
  my
• 11:04
  dad's
• 11:05
  younger
• 11:05
  brother.
• 11:07
  Anyway,
• 11:07
  so
• 11:08
  Larry
• 11:09
  said,
• 11:09
  hey,
• 11:10
  Doug,
• 11:10
  who
• 11:10
  was
• 11:10
  an
• 11:11
  assistant
• 11:11
  coach
• 11:12
  for
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  Denver
• 11:12
  Nuggets,
• 11:13
  said,
• 11:13
  hey,
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  should
• 11:13
  get
• 11:14
  this
• 11:14
  kid.
• 11:14
  He's
• 11:14
  pretty
• 11:15
  good.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:17
  so
• 11:17
  they
• 11:17
  ended
• 11:17
  up
• 11:17
  trading
• 11:18
  for
• 11:18
  me.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:18
  that's
• 11:19
  how
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  got
• 11:19
  to
• 11:19
  my
• 11:20
  first
• 11:20
  team,
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  Denver
• 11:20
  Nuggets.
• 11:22
  Larry
• 11:22
  got
• 11:22
  me
• 11:22
  there.
• 11:23
  Nice.
• 11:24
  As
• 11:24
  you
• 11:24
  say.
• 11:25
  No
• 11:25
  one
• 11:25
  knows
• 11:25
  that.
• 11:26
  And
• 11:27
  they
• 11:27
  never
• 11:28
  really
• 11:29
  saw
• 11:29
  you
• 11:29
  in
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  same
• 11:30
  light
• 11:30
  in
• 11:30
  Dallas.
• 11:31
  They
• 11:31
  really
• 11:32
  didn't
• 11:32
  take
• 11:32
  a
• 11:32
  shine
• 11:32
  to
• 11:33
  you
• 11:33
  down
• 11:33
  there,
• 11:33
  did
• 11:33
  they?
• 11:35
  Well,
• 11:35
  you
• 11:36
  know,
• 11:37
  it
• 11:37
  was
• 11:37
  funny
• 11:38
  because
• 11:38
  the
• 11:39
  first
• 11:39
  game
• 11:40
  that
• 11:40
  I
• 11:41
  ever
• 11:41
  played
• 11:41
  in
• 11:41
  Dallas,
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  Nuggets
• 11:43
  were
• 11:43
  playing
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  Mavericks.
• 11:45
  And
• 11:46
  you
• 11:46
  walk
• 11:46
  across,
• 11:46
  you
• 11:47
  stayed
• 11:47
  at
• 11:47
  a
• 11:47
  hotel
• 11:48
  right
• 11:49
  next
• 11:49
  to,
• 11:50
  what
• 11:50
  was
• 11:50
  called,
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  think,
• 11:50
  the
• 11:51
  Reunion
• 11:51
  Hyatt.
• 11:52
  And
• 11:52
  because
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  arena
• 11:53
  was
• 11:53
  the
• 11:54
  Reunion
• 11:54
  Arena.
• 11:55
  Right.
• 11:55
  They
• 11:55
  don't
• 11:55
  play
• 11:55
  there
• 11:56
  now,
• 11:56
  but
• 11:56
  that's
• 11:57
  what
• 11:57
  we
• 11:57
  played.
• 11:58
  And
• 11:58
  you
• 11:58
  walked
• 11:58
  across
• 11:58
  all
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  teams.
• 11:59
  Walked
• 11:59
  across.
• 12:00
  I
• 12:00
  had
• 12:01
  armed
• 12:01
  bodyguards
• 12:03
  walk
• 12:03
  me
• 12:03
  across
• 12:04
  two
• 12:04
  of
• 12:04
  them.
• 12:04
  Wow.
• 12:05
  And,
• 12:06
  oh,
• 12:06
  boy.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:06
  it
• 12:07
  Was
• 12:07
  really
• 12:07
  funny
• 12:07
  because.
• 12:08
  So
• 12:09
  they're
• 12:09
  introducing
• 12:10
  us.
• 12:10
  Every
• 12:10
  time
• 12:11
  I
• 12:11
  touched
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  ball,
• 12:11
  they
• 12:12
  were
• 12:12
  booing,
• 12:13
  and
• 12:13
  they.
• 12:14
  They
• 12:14
  had
• 12:15
  so
• 12:15
  much
• 12:15
  fun.
• 12:15
  And
• 12:15
  I
• 12:16
  kind
• 12:16
  of
• 12:16
  enjoyed
• 12:16
  it
• 12:17
  in
• 12:17
  some
• 12:18
  weird
• 12:18
  way,
• 12:18
  too.
• 12:18
  But
• 12:20
  it
• 12:20
  was
• 12:20
  really
• 12:20
  funny
• 12:21
  because
• 12:22
  my
• 12:22
  team,
• 12:23
  you
• 12:23
  know,
• 12:24
  when
• 12:25
  they
• 12:25
  introduce
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  starters,
• 12:26
  the
• 12:26
  starters
• 12:27
  go
• 12:27
  out
• 12:27
  and
• 12:28
  they
• 12:28
  line
• 12:28
  up,
• 12:28
  right,
• 12:29
  and
• 12:29
  they
• 12:29
  line
• 12:30
  up
• 12:30
  together
• 12:30
  and,
• 12:31
  you
• 12:31
  know,
• 12:31
  they
• 12:32
  wave
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  crowd
• 12:32
  or
• 12:33
  whatever,
• 12:33
  and
• 12:34
  then
• 12:36
  all
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  other
• 12:37
  starters.
• 12:37
  So
• 12:37
  we're
• 12:37
  introduced
• 12:38
  and
• 12:39
  I'm
• 12:39
  out
• 12:39
  there,
• 12:39
  and
• 12:39
  all
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  other
• 12:40
  starters
• 12:41
  won't
• 12:41
  stand
• 12:42
  next
• 12:42
  to
• 12:42
  me.
• 12:42
  They
• 12:42
  stand,
• 12:43
  like,
• 12:43
  five
• 12:43
  feet
• 12:44
  away,
• 12:45
  all
• 12:45
  standing.
• 12:46
  They
• 12:46
  thought
• 12:46
  it
• 12:46
  was
• 12:46
  the
• 12:47
  funniest
• 12:47
  thing.
• 12:47
  I
• 12:47
  didn't
• 12:47
  think
• 12:48
  that
• 12:48
  was
• 12:48
  funny.
• 12:49
  But
• 12:49
  anyway,
• 12:50
  it
• 12:51
  ended
• 12:51
  up
• 12:52
  that
• 12:53
  I
• 12:55
  had
• 12:55
  a
• 12:55
  good
• 12:56
  time
• 12:56
  in
• 12:56
  Dallas,
• 12:57
  and
• 12:57
  I
• 12:58
  kept
• 12:58
  coming
• 12:58
  back,
• 12:59
  and
• 12:59
  people,
• 13:00
  they
• 13:00
  became.
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  found
• 13:01
  out
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  they
• 13:02
  were
• 13:02
  very
• 13:02
  friendly.
• 13:03
  They're
• 13:03
  great
• 13:03
  people
• 13:03
  in
• 13:03
  Dallas.
• 13:04
  They're
• 13:05
  just
• 13:05
  fantastic
• 13:06
  people.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:06
  they
• 13:06
  said
• 13:07
  they
• 13:07
  would
• 13:07
  come
• 13:07
  up
• 13:07
  to
• 13:08
  me
• 13:08
  and
• 13:08
  say,
• 13:08
  you
• 13:08
  know
• 13:08
  what?
• 13:09
  We
• 13:09
  really
• 13:09
  admire
• 13:10
  you,
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  way
• 13:10
  you
• 13:10
  play,
• 13:10
  but
• 13:11
  we
• 13:11
  just
• 13:11
  love
• 13:11
  to
• 13:11
  boo
• 13:12
  you.
• 13:12
  We
• 13:13
  have
• 13:13
  so
• 13:13
  much
• 13:13
  fun.
• 13:14
  I
• 13:14
  said,
• 13:14
  you
• 13:14
  know
• 13:14
  what?
• 13:14
  I'm
• 13:14
  having
• 13:15
  fun,
• 13:15
  too.
• 13:16
  And
• 13:16
  it
• 13:16
  became
• 13:16
  one
• 13:16
  of
• 13:17
  my
• 13:17
  favorite
• 13:17
  cities
• 13:18
  to
• 13:18
  go
• 13:18
  to.
• 13:19
  And,
• 13:19
  you
• 13:20
  know,
• 13:20
  I
• 13:20
  ended
• 13:20
  up
• 13:21
  as
• 13:21
  an
• 13:21
  assistant
• 13:22
  coach
• 13:22
  in
• 13:22
  Dallas.
• 13:23
  You
• 13:23
  know,
• 13:23
  worked
• 13:24
  for
• 13:24
  work
• 13:24
  for
• 13:24
  Mark
• 13:25
  Cuban
• 13:25
  and
• 13:26
  Don
• 13:27
  Nelson.
• 13:28
  Also
• 13:29
  one
• 13:29
  of
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  most
• 13:29
  creative
• 13:30
  coaches
• 13:30
  ever.
• 13:32
  And,
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  know,
• 13:33
  at
• 13:33
  a
• 13:33
  wonderful
• 13:34
  time
• 13:34
  that
• 13:34
  really
• 13:35
  started
• 13:35
  me
• 13:36
  back
• 13:36
  into
• 13:37
  the
• 13:37
  NBA,
• 13:39
  you
• 13:39
  know,
• 13:39
  from
• 13:40
  there.
• 13:40
  From
• 13:40
  there,
• 13:40
  I
• 13:40
  became
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  general
• 13:41
  manager
• 13:42
  of
• 13:42
  the
• 13:43
  Denver
• 13:43
  Nuggets.
• 13:44
  So
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  Dallas
• 13:45
  Mavericks
• 13:46
  have
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  really
• 13:47
  long
• 13:48
  history
• 13:48
  and
• 13:49
  really
• 13:49
  enjoyed
• 13:50
  living
• 13:50
  in
• 13:50
  Dallas.
• 13:50
  I
• 13:51
  must
• 13:51
  say
• 13:51
  that
• 13:51
  if
• 13:51
  there's
• 13:52
  any
• 13:52
  Dallas
• 13:52
  fans
• 13:52
  out
• 13:53
  there,
• 13:53
  I
• 13:53
  enjoyed
• 13:53
  living.
• 13:54
  It
• 13:55
  was
• 13:55
  great.
• 13:55
  Had
• 13:55
  a
• 13:55
  lot
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  fun.
• 13:56
  All
• 13:57
  worked
• 13:57
  out
• 13:57
  for
• 13:57
  Kickey
• 13:58
  in
• 13:58
  Dallas,
• 13:58
  folks.
• 13:59
  Hickey
• 13:59
  Vandeway
• 14:00
  with
• 14:00
  us
• 14:00
  tonight
• 14:01
  on
• 14:01
  Sports
• 14:01
  Talk
• 14:02
  New
• 14:02
  York.
• 14:03
  Now,
• 14:03
  you
• 14:03
  had
• 14:04
  some
• 14:04
  great
• 14:05
  seasons
• 14:06
  out
• 14:06
  there
• 14:06
  in
• 14:06
  Denver
• 14:07
  for
• 14:07
  the
• 14:07
  Nuggets.
• 14:08
  1984,
• 14:10
  they
• 14:10
  turn
• 14:10
  around
• 14:10
  and
• 14:10
  trade
• 14:11
  you
• 14:11
  to
• 14:11
  Portland.
• 14:12
  How
• 14:12
  did
• 14:12
  you
• 14:12
  feel
• 14:13
  about
• 14:13
  going
• 14:13
  out
• 14:13
  to
• 14:14
  Portland?
• 14:16
  Well,
• 14:16
  you
• 14:17
  know,
• 14:17
  I
• 14:17
  loved
• 14:18
  Denver
• 14:18
  at
• 14:18
  the
• 14:18
  time,
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  right
• 14:19
  then
• 14:19
  it
• 14:20
  was,
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  know,
• 14:20
  nobody
• 14:21
  likes
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  really
• 14:22
  be
• 14:22
  traded.
• 14:23
  And
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  had
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  lot
• 14:24
  of
• 14:25
  success
• 14:25
  in
• 14:25
  Denver,
• 14:26
  but
• 14:26
  the
• 14:26
  problem
• 14:27
  for
• 14:27
  me
• 14:27
  was
• 14:28
  I
• 14:28
  had
• 14:28
  hurt
• 14:28
  my
• 14:28
  back,
• 14:29
  so
• 14:30
  I
• 14:30
  had
• 14:30
  fallen
• 14:32
  in
• 14:32
  a
• 14:32
  game
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  I
• 14:34
  kept
• 14:34
  playing,
• 14:34
  which
• 14:34
  I
• 14:35
  shouldn't
• 14:35
  have
• 14:35
  done
• 14:35
  and
• 14:36
  you
• 14:36
  wouldn't
• 14:36
  today,
• 14:36
  but
• 14:37
  I
• 14:37
  did
• 14:37
  at
• 14:37
  that
• 14:37
  time
• 14:38
  and
• 14:39
  kept
• 14:39
  playing,
• 14:39
  and
• 14:39
  it
• 14:40
  really
• 14:40
  wasn't
• 14:40
  fully
• 14:40
  healthy,
• 14:42
  so.
• 14:42
  And
• 14:42
  I
• 14:42
  never
• 14:43
  really
• 14:43
  got
• 14:43
  healthy
• 14:44
  again
• 14:46
  because
• 14:46
  of
• 14:46
  it.
• 14:46
  But
• 14:47
  I
• 14:48
  ended
• 14:48
  up
• 14:48
  having,
• 14:49
  you
• 14:49
  know,
• 14:49
  a
• 14:50
  great
• 14:50
  time
• 14:51
  in
• 14:51
  Portland
• 14:52
  as
• 14:52
  well.
• 14:53
  We
• 14:53
  had
• 14:53
  good
• 14:53
  teams
• 14:54
  and,
• 14:54
  you
• 14:55
  know,
• 14:55
  arguably
• 14:56
  my,
• 14:56
  you
• 14:56
  know,
• 14:56
  my
• 14:57
  Best
• 14:57
  friend
• 14:57
  in
• 14:57
  the
• 14:58
  NBA
• 14:58
  is
• 14:58
  Clyde
• 14:59
  Drexler,
• 14:59
  who
• 14:59
  I
• 14:59
  met
• 15:00
  there
• 15:00
  in
• 15:00
  Portland.
• 15:01
  And
• 15:01
  we
• 15:01
  had,
• 15:02
  we
• 15:02
  had
• 15:03
  a
• 15:03
  wonderful
• 15:03
  time
• 15:04
  together.
• 15:04
  And
• 15:05
  you
• 15:06
  know,
• 15:06
  Portland's
• 15:06
  got,
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  know,
• 15:08
  some
• 15:08
  of
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  best
• 15:08
  fans
• 15:09
  in
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  world.
• 15:09
  That's,
• 15:10
  that's
• 15:10
  well
• 15:10
  known
• 15:11
  and
• 15:12
  you
• 15:12
  know,
• 15:12
  never
• 15:12
  played
• 15:13
  before
• 15:13
  anything
• 15:14
  but
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  sold
• 15:14
  out
• 15:14
  house
• 15:15
  in
• 15:15
  Portland.
• 15:16
  But
• 15:17
  it's,
• 15:17
  you
• 15:17
  know,
• 15:17
  great
• 15:17
  place
• 15:18
  to
• 15:18
  live.
• 15:18
  It
• 15:18
  rains
• 15:18
  a
• 15:19
  little
• 15:19
  bit
• 15:19
  there,
• 15:20
  you
• 15:20
  know,
• 15:20
  just
• 15:21
  news
• 15:21
  flash
• 15:21
  to
• 15:22
  everybody.
• 15:22
  But
• 15:23
  it's,
• 15:24
  it's
• 15:24
  a
• 15:24
  wonderful
• 15:25
  place
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  play
• 15:25
  sports
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  lot
• 15:26
  of
• 15:26
  the,
• 15:27
  a
• 15:27
  lot
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  Blazers
• 15:28
  end
• 15:28
  up
• 15:28
  staying
• 15:28
  there
• 15:29
  no
• 15:30
  matter
• 15:30
  where
• 15:30
  they
• 15:30
  come
• 15:30
  across
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  US
• 15:31
  just
• 15:31
  because
• 15:32
  it's
• 15:32
  such
• 15:32
  a
• 15:32
  wonderful
• 15:32
  place.
• 15:33
  You
• 15:33
  did
• 15:34
  mention
• 15:34
  Clyde
• 15:34
  the
• 15:35
  Glide
• 15:35
  Drexler.
• 15:36
  Kiki,
• 15:37
  you
• 15:37
  guys
• 15:37
  formed
• 15:38
  really
• 15:39
  a
• 15:39
  great
• 15:40
  one,
• 15:40
  two
• 15:40
  scoring
• 15:42
  duo.
• 15:43
  Why
• 15:43
  did
• 15:44
  you
• 15:44
  guys
• 15:44
  work
• 15:44
  so
• 15:44
  well
• 15:45
  together?
• 15:47
  You
• 15:47
  know,
• 15:48
  I'm
• 15:48
  just
• 15:48
  going
• 15:48
  to
• 15:48
  say
• 15:48
  I
• 15:49
  was
• 15:49
  always
• 15:49
  very
• 15:50
  fortunate
• 15:51
  to
• 15:51
  have
• 15:52
  really
• 15:52
  great
• 15:53
  players
• 15:55
  play
• 15:56
  alongside.
• 15:56
  And
• 15:57
  in
• 15:57
  Denver
• 15:57
  I
• 15:58
  had
• 15:58
  Alex
• 15:58
  English,
• 15:59
  who
• 15:59
  was
• 15:59
  one
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  the
• 16:00
  all
• 16:00
  time
• 16:00
  great
• 16:00
  scorers,
• 16:01
  hall
• 16:02
  of
• 16:02
  Fame,
• 16:02
  and
• 16:02
  also
• 16:03
  Dan
• 16:03
  Issel.
• 16:04
  But
• 16:05
  I,
• 16:05
  you
• 16:05
  know,
• 16:05
  in
• 16:06
  Portland,
• 16:06
  you
• 16:07
  know,
• 16:07
  Clyde
• 16:08
  and
• 16:08
  I
• 16:08
  formed
• 16:09
  sort
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  a
• 16:09
  special
• 16:10
  bond
• 16:10
  and
• 16:10
  we
• 16:11
  really
• 16:12
  sort
• 16:12
  of
• 16:13
  complemented
• 16:13
  each
• 16:14
  other's
• 16:14
  game.
• 16:15
  He
• 16:15
  is
• 16:15
  such,
• 16:16
  such
• 16:16
  a
• 16:16
  tremendous
• 16:17
  talent,
• 16:19
  arguably
• 16:19
  one
• 16:19
  of
• 16:20
  the
• 16:20
  best
• 16:21
  talents
• 16:21
  ever
• 16:22
  to
• 16:22
  play
• 16:22
  in
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  game.
• 16:23
  He
• 16:23
  was
• 16:23
  just
• 16:24
  fantastic,
• 16:24
  could
• 16:25
  do
• 16:25
  everything
• 16:26
  and
• 16:28
  you
• 16:28
  know,
• 16:29
  he
• 16:29
  liked
• 16:29
  to
• 16:30
  use
• 16:30
  a
• 16:31
  teammate
• 16:31
  who
• 16:32
  made
• 16:32
  everybody
• 16:33
  better.
• 16:33
  And
• 16:33
  that's
• 16:34
  sort
• 16:34
  of
• 16:34
  the
• 16:34
  definition
• 16:35
  I
• 16:35
  have
• 16:35
  for
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  star
• 16:37
  and
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  superstar.
• 16:39
  You
• 16:39
  know,
• 16:40
  a
• 16:40
  star
• 16:40
  gets
• 16:41
  his
• 16:41
  own
• 16:41
  points
• 16:41
  and
• 16:43
  you
• 16:43
  know,
• 16:43
  can
• 16:43
  help
• 16:43
  your
• 16:44
  team
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  win
• 16:44
  obviously
• 16:45
  and
• 16:45
  will
• 16:46
  win
• 16:46
  games
• 16:46
  for
• 16:47
  you.
• 16:47
  But
• 16:48
  a
• 16:48
  superstar,
• 16:49
  and
• 16:49
  Clyde
• 16:50
  was
• 16:50
  a
• 16:50
  superstar,
• 16:51
  made
• 16:52
  everybody
• 16:53
  make
• 16:53
  everybody
• 16:53
  else
• 16:54
  better.
• 16:54
  When
• 16:55
  they
• 16:55
  step
• 16:55
  on
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  court,
• 16:56
  everybody's
• 16:56
  better.
• 16:57
  And
• 16:58
  that's
• 16:58
  the
• 16:58
  likes
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  obviously
• 16:59
  LeBron
• 17:00
  James.
• 17:01
  He
• 17:01
  makes
• 17:02
  everybody
• 17:02
  better.
• 17:02
  He
• 17:02
  makes
• 17:03
  his
• 17:03
  team
• 17:03
  so
• 17:03
  much
• 17:04
  better.
• 17:04
  You
• 17:05
  know,
• 17:05
  Michael
• 17:05
  Jordan,
• 17:06
  Kobe
• 17:06
  Bryant,
• 17:07
  Bill
• 17:08
  Russell,
• 17:10
  there's
• 17:10
  so
• 17:10
  many
• 17:11
  out
• 17:11
  there.
• 17:11
  The
• 17:11
  Oscar
• 17:12
  Robertson
• 17:12
  if
• 17:12
  you
• 17:13
  go
• 17:13
  back
• 17:13
  a
• 17:14
  little
• 17:14
  farther.
• 17:14
  But
• 17:15
  you
• 17:15
  know,
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  that
• 17:16
  to
• 17:17
  me
• 17:17
  is
• 17:17
  a
• 17:17
  superstar
• 17:18
  and
• 17:18
  Clyde
• 17:18
  was
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  superstar.
• 17:19
  He
• 17:19
  helped
• 17:20
  me
• 17:20
  be
• 17:20
  better
• 17:21
  and
• 17:21
  he
• 17:22
  helped
• 17:22
  everybody
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  be
• 17:23
  better.
• 17:23
  He
• 17:24
  did.
• 17:24
  And
• 17:25
  as
• 17:25
  we
• 17:25
  said,
• 17:25
  you
• 17:25
  guys
• 17:26
  worked
• 17:27
  so
• 17:27
  well
• 17:27
  together.
• 17:28
  Very
• 17:28
  high
• 17:29
  praise
• 17:29
  for
• 17:29
  Clyde
• 17:30
  Drexler
• 17:30
  there
• 17:30
  from
• 17:30
  Kiki
• 17:31
  Vandeway.
• 17:32
  Now
• 17:32
  you
• 17:32
  come
• 17:32
  to
• 17:33
  the
• 17:33
  Knicks.
• 17:34
  How
• 17:34
  did
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  enjoy
• 17:35
  playing
• 17:36
  in
• 17:36
  front
• 17:36
  of
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  Garden
• 17:37
  faithful
• 17:38
  and
• 17:39
  your
• 17:39
  time
• 17:39
  in
• 17:39
  New
• 17:39
  York
• 17:40
  here,
• 17:40
  Kiki?
• 17:42
  I
• 17:42
  loved
• 17:43
  it.
• 17:44
  I
• 17:44
  just
• 17:45
  really
• 17:45
  loved
• 17:45
  it.
• 17:46
  And
• 17:46
  you
• 17:46
  know,
• 17:46
  my
• 17:47
  only
• 17:47
  if
• 17:48
  it
• 17:48
  could
• 17:48
  be.
• 17:48
  I
• 17:48
  don't
• 17:49
  have
• 17:49
  too
• 17:49
  many
• 17:49
  regrets
• 17:50
  at
• 17:50
  all.
• 17:50
  I
• 17:51
  was
• 17:51
  very
• 17:52
  blessed
• 17:52
  in
• 17:52
  exchange
• 17:53
  career,
• 17:54
  very
• 17:54
  fortunate,
• 17:55
  but
• 17:56
  I
• 17:56
  really
• 17:56
  wasn't
• 17:57
  healthy
• 17:57
  at
• 17:58
  all.
• 17:58
  When
• 17:58
  I.
• 17:59
  When
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  came
• 17:59
  to
• 17:59
  the
• 17:59
  Knicks,
• 18:00
  and,
• 18:02
  you
• 18:02
  know,
• 18:03
  it
• 18:03
  was
• 18:03
  too
• 18:04
  bad
• 18:04
  because
• 18:06
  I
• 18:06
  used
• 18:06
  to
• 18:06
  think
• 18:07
  about
• 18:07
  it
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  little
• 18:08
  bit.
• 18:08
  Geez,
• 18:08
  if
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  was
• 18:09
  here
• 18:10
  a
• 18:10
  little
• 18:11
  earlier
• 18:11
  in
• 18:11
  my
• 18:11
  career,
• 18:12
  I
• 18:12
  could
• 18:12
  have
• 18:12
  done
• 18:13
  a
• 18:13
  lot
• 18:13
  more
• 18:13
  for
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  team
• 18:14
  to
• 18:14
  help
• 18:14
  the
• 18:15
  team
• 18:15
  win.
• 18:17
  But
• 18:17
  I
• 18:17
  enjoyed
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  time,
• 18:18
  you
• 18:18
  know,
• 18:19
  playing
• 18:20
  with
• 18:21
  Patrick
• 18:21
  Ewing
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  Oakley
• 18:23
  and
• 18:24
  Davier
• 18:25
  McDaniel,
• 18:26
  Mark
• 18:27
  Jackson
• 18:28
  and
• 18:28
  all
• 18:29
  these
• 18:29
  great
• 18:29
  players,
• 18:31
  and
• 18:31
  playing
• 18:32
  in
• 18:32
  front
• 18:32
  of
• 18:34
  the
• 18:34
  Garden
• 18:34
  crowd,
• 18:35
  as
• 18:35
  you
• 18:35
  say.
• 18:35
  And
• 18:36
  it's
• 18:36
  really
• 18:37
  true.
• 18:37
  People
• 18:37
  in
• 18:37
  New
• 18:38
  York,
• 18:38
  sometimes,
• 18:39
  they
• 18:39
  know
• 18:39
  how
• 18:39
  great
• 18:40
  the
• 18:40
  Garden
• 18:40
  is,
• 18:40
  and
• 18:41
  I
• 18:41
  think
• 18:41
  they
• 18:41
  do.
• 18:42
  But
• 18:43
  it's
• 18:43
  got
• 18:43
  an
• 18:44
  electricity
• 18:44
  in
• 18:45
  it
• 18:45
  that
• 18:45
  when
• 18:46
  the
• 18:47
  Knicks
• 18:47
  are
• 18:47
  going
• 18:47
  well
• 18:48
  and
• 18:49
  things
• 18:49
  are
• 18:50
  exciting
• 18:51
  and
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  game's
• 18:51
  close,
• 18:53
  the
• 18:54
  Garden
• 18:54
  is
• 18:54
  electric.
• 18:56
  You
• 18:56
  can
• 18:56
  feel
• 18:57
  it
• 18:57
  in
• 18:57
  the
• 18:57
  air.
• 18:58
  And,
• 18:59
  you
• 18:59
  know,
• 18:59
  I
• 18:59
  remember
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  first
• 19:00
  time
• 19:00
  I
• 19:01
  was
• 19:01
  introduced
• 19:02
  as
• 19:02
  a
• 19:02
  Knick
• 19:03
  right
• 19:03
  after
• 19:05
  they
• 19:05
  used
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  show.
• 19:06
  And
• 19:06
  I
• 19:06
  don't
• 19:06
  know
• 19:06
  if
• 19:06
  they
• 19:07
  show
• 19:07
  it
• 19:07
  still
• 19:08
  every
• 19:08
  game,
• 19:08
  but
• 19:09
  every
• 19:09
  game
• 19:09
  they
• 19:09
  used
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  show
• 19:11
  Willis
• 19:11
  Reed
• 19:12
  coming
• 19:12
  out
• 19:13
  in
• 19:14
  that
• 19:14
  last
• 19:14
  game,
• 19:16
  you
• 19:16
  know,
• 19:17
  and
• 19:17
  it
• 19:17
  was
• 19:17
  just,
• 19:18
  you
• 19:18
  know,
• 19:18
  kind
• 19:18
  of,
• 19:18
  the
• 19:19
  Garden
• 19:19
  crowd
• 19:20
  goes
• 19:20
  nuts.
• 19:21
  And,
• 19:22
  you
• 19:23
  know,
• 19:23
  that
• 19:23
  was
• 19:23
  just.
• 19:24
  You
• 19:24
  get
• 19:24
  chills
• 19:25
  when
• 19:25
  you
• 19:25
  watch
• 19:25
  that.
• 19:26
  And
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  was
• 19:27
  mesmerized
• 19:28
  every
• 19:28
  time
• 19:28
  I
• 19:28
  watched.
• 19:29
  It
• 19:29
  was
• 19:30
  fantastic.
• 19:30
  And
• 19:30
  the
• 19:31
  first
• 19:31
  time
• 19:31
  I'm
• 19:32
  looking
• 19:32
  down
• 19:32
  and
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  got
• 19:33
  a
• 19:33
  Knicks
• 19:33
  uniform
• 19:34
  on
• 19:35
  special
• 19:35
  night.
• 19:36
  Yeah,
• 19:37
  as
• 19:37
  you
• 19:38
  say,
• 19:38
  a
• 19:38
  magic
• 19:39
  moment
• 19:39
  in
• 19:39
  Knicks
• 19:39
  history
• 19:40
  when
• 19:40
  the
• 19:41
  captain
• 19:41
  comes
• 19:41
  walking
• 19:42
  out,
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  Lakers
• 19:42
  are
• 19:43
  watching
• 19:43
  him,
• 19:44
  and
• 19:44
  I
• 19:44
  think
• 19:45
  they
• 19:45
  knew
• 19:45
  at
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  point
• 19:46
  that
• 19:47
  they
• 19:47
  were
• 19:47
  heading
• 19:47
  for
• 19:48
  trouble.
• 19:52
  No
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  mean,
• 19:52
  you
• 19:52
  know,
• 19:52
  he
• 19:52
  comes
• 19:52
  out.
• 19:52
  He
• 19:52
  gets
• 19:52
  his
• 19:52
  first
• 19:53
  shot,
• 19:53
  and
• 19:53
  I
• 19:53
  don't
• 19:53
  know
• 19:53
  how
• 19:54
  much
• 19:54
  in
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  game.
• 19:55
  I
• 19:55
  don't.
• 19:55
  I'm
• 19:55
  not
• 19:55
  sure
• 19:55
  he
• 19:56
  played
• 19:56
  that
• 19:56
  much,
• 19:56
  but
• 19:57
  it
• 19:57
  didn't
• 19:57
  matter.
• 19:58
  You
• 19:58
  know,
• 19:58
  the
• 19:59
  Knicks
• 19:59
  were,
• 19:59
  you
• 19:59
  know,
• 20:00
  rolling,
• 20:01
  and
• 20:01
  the
• 20:02
  crowd
• 20:02
  was
• 20:02
  rolling.
• 20:03
  I
• 20:03
  don't
• 20:03
  think
• 20:04
  there
• 20:04
  was
• 20:04
  any
• 20:04
  beat.
• 20:05
  You
• 20:06
  go
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  work
• 20:06
  in
• 20:06
  the
• 20:07
  front
• 20:07
  office.
• 20:07
  Now,
• 20:08
  as
• 20:08
  you
• 20:08
  said,
• 20:08
  Kiki
• 20:09
  and
• 20:10
  Dallas
• 20:11
  is
• 20:11
  where
• 20:11
  you
• 20:11
  started.
• 20:12
  You
• 20:12
  were
• 20:13
  instrumental
• 20:13
  in
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  development
• 20:14
  of
• 20:15
  Dirk
• 20:15
  Nowitzki
• 20:16
  down
• 20:17
  there.
• 20:18
  When
• 20:18
  you
• 20:18
  were
• 20:18
  with
• 20:18
  the
• 20:19
  Nuggets,
• 20:19
  you
• 20:20
  had
• 20:20
  Carmelo
• 20:20
  Anthony
• 20:21
  and
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  hired
• 20:22
  George
• 20:23
  Carl
• 20:24
  as
• 20:24
  head
• 20:24
  coach.
• 20:25
  Really,
• 20:25
  some
• 20:26
  great
• 20:26
  moves.
• 20:28
  Well,
• 20:28
  thank
• 20:28
  you.
• 20:29
  You
• 20:29
  know,
• 20:29
  I
• 20:30
  just
• 20:30
  really
• 20:30
  enjoyed.
• 20:33
  The
• 20:33
  only
• 20:34
  way
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  describe
• 20:34
  me
• 20:34
  is
• 20:35
  I
• 20:35
  was
• 20:35
  a
• 20:35
  gym
• 20:35
  rat.
• 20:36
  I
• 20:36
  just
• 20:36
  loved
• 20:37
  playing
• 20:37
  basketball.
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  loved
• 20:39
  talking
• 20:39
  about
• 20:39
  it.
• 20:39
  I
• 20:39
  loved
• 20:40
  thinking
• 20:40
  about
• 20:40
  it.
• 20:41
  And,
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  know,
• 20:42
  to
• 20:43
  be
• 20:43
  a
• 20:43
  general
• 20:43
  manager
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  make
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  NBA
• 20:46
  is
• 20:46
  a
• 20:46
  dream
• 20:46
  come
• 20:47
  true.
• 20:47
  Obviously,
• 20:47
  we
• 20:47
  all
• 20:48
  dream
• 20:48
  of
• 20:48
  that
• 20:48
  type
• 20:49
  of
• 20:49
  stuff
• 20:49
  when
• 20:49
  we're
• 20:49
  kids.
• 20:50
  And,
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  know,
• 20:51
  that
• 20:52
  was
• 20:52
  a
• 20:52
  dream
• 20:52
  there.
• 20:53
  And
• 20:53
  then,
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  know,
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  kind
• 20:54
  of
• 20:54
  dream,
• 20:54
  oh,
• 20:54
  maybe
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  could
• 20:55
  be
• 20:55
  a
• 20:55
  general
• 20:55
  Manager,
• 20:56
  I
• 20:56
  could
• 20:56
  run
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  team.
• 20:57
  And
• 20:57
  I
• 20:58
  was
• 20:59
  so
• 20:59
  fortunate.
• 21:00
  I'm
• 21:00
  so
• 21:00
  grateful
• 21:01
  to
• 21:01
  have
• 21:01
  that
• 21:01
  opportunity.
• 21:03
  And
• 21:03
  we
• 21:04
  had
• 21:04
  a
• 21:04
  great
• 21:04
  time,
• 21:05
  did
• 21:05
  a
• 21:05
  lot
• 21:05
  of
• 21:05
  innovative
• 21:06
  things,
• 21:07
  you
• 21:08
  know,
• 21:09
  that,
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  know,
• 21:10
  are
• 21:11
  really
• 21:12
  sort
• 21:12
  of,
• 21:13
  you
• 21:13
  know,
• 21:13
  this
• 21:14
  just
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  normal
• 21:15
  thing
• 21:15
  now.
• 21:16
  And
• 21:17
  so
• 21:18
  we
• 21:18
  were
• 21:18
  very
• 21:19
  involved
• 21:19
  in
• 21:19
  analytics.
• 21:20
  We
• 21:20
  were
• 21:20
  very
• 21:21
  involved
• 21:21
  in
• 21:22
  taking
• 21:22
  care
• 21:22
  of
• 21:23
  players.
• 21:23
  And,
• 21:24
  you
• 21:24
  know,
• 21:25
  we
• 21:25
  got
• 21:26
  a
• 21:26
  lot
• 21:26
  of
• 21:26
  things
• 21:26
  for
• 21:27
  the
• 21:27
  players.
• 21:27
  And,
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  know,
• 21:29
  people
• 21:29
  really
• 21:30
  love
• 21:30
  playing
• 21:30
  there.
• 21:30
  I
• 21:31
  still
• 21:31
  get
• 21:31
  calls
• 21:31
  today
• 21:32
  from,
• 21:32
  you
• 21:33
  know,
• 21:33
  some
• 21:33
  of
• 21:33
  the
• 21:33
  players
• 21:34
  and
• 21:34
  even
• 21:34
  some
• 21:34
  of
• 21:34
  the
• 21:34
  players
• 21:35
  wives
• 21:36
  who
• 21:37
  say,
• 21:37
  hey,
• 21:37
  you
• 21:37
  know
• 21:37
  what?
• 21:38
  That
• 21:38
  was
• 21:38
  a
• 21:39
  fantastic
• 21:39
  experience.
• 21:40
  We
• 21:40
  just
• 21:40
  want
• 21:40
  to
• 21:41
  thank
• 21:41
  you
• 21:41
  for
• 21:41
  it.
• 21:42
  You
• 21:42
  know,
• 21:43
  it's
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  things
• 21:43
  like
• 21:44
  that
• 21:44
  that
• 21:45
  make
• 21:45
  it
• 21:45
  all
• 21:45
  worthwhile.
• 21:46
  Nice.
• 21:47
  They
• 21:47
  really
• 21:47
  do.
• 21:48
  Quite
• 21:48
  rewarding.
• 21:49
  Definitely.
• 21:50
  Now,
• 21:50
  your
• 21:51
  time
• 21:51
  with
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  Nets,
• 21:51
  you
• 21:52
  spent
• 21:52
  with
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  Nets,
• 21:52
  you
• 21:52
  got
• 21:53
  to
• 21:53
  work
• 21:53
  with
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  Hall
• 21:53
  of
• 21:54
  Famer,
• 21:54
  a
• 21:54
  great
• 21:55
  guy,
• 21:55
  Mr.
• 21:55
  Rod
• 21:56
  Thorne.
• 21:57
  Bob.
• 21:58
  Rod,
• 21:58
  the
• 21:58
  best.
• 21:58
  Yes.
• 21:59
  And,
• 22:00
  you
• 22:00
  know,
• 22:00
  it
• 22:01
  was
• 22:01
  funny.
• 22:01
  We
• 22:01
  had
• 22:01
  a
• 22:02
  great
• 22:02
  relationship
• 22:03
  and
• 22:03
  still
• 22:03
  do,
• 22:04
  you
• 22:05
  know,
• 22:05
  because
• 22:05
  he.
• 22:06
  When.
• 22:06
  When
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  got
• 22:07
  hired
• 22:08
  the
• 22:08
  Knicks,
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  mean,
• 22:09
  the
• 22:10
  Nets
• 22:10
  were
• 22:10
  in
• 22:10
  the
• 22:11
  process
• 22:11
  of
• 22:12
  sort
• 22:13
  of
• 22:13
  negotiating
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  move
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  Brooklyn.
• 22:16
  And
• 22:17
  it
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  owned
• 22:18
  by
• 22:18
  a
• 22:19
  guy
• 22:19
  by
• 22:19
  the
• 22:19
  name
• 22:20
  of
• 22:20
  Bruce
• 22:20
  Ratner,
• 22:21
  and
• 22:21
  he
• 22:22
  was
• 22:22
  a
• 22:22
  real
• 22:22
  estate
• 22:22
  guy.
• 22:23
  And
• 22:23
  he's
• 22:23
  moving
• 22:23
  the
• 22:23
  team
• 22:24
  to
• 22:24
  Brooklyn,
• 22:25
  ends
• 22:25
  up
• 22:26
  selling
• 22:26
  it
• 22:26
  to
• 22:26
  Mikhail
• 22:27
  Prokoff.
• 22:27
  But
• 22:29
  when
• 22:29
  I
• 22:30
  got
• 22:30
  there,
• 22:30
  I'd
• 22:31
  known
• 22:31
  Rod
• 22:31
  for
• 22:31
  years,
• 22:32
  and
• 22:32
  Rod
• 22:32
  had
• 22:33
  tried
• 22:33
  to
• 22:33
  hire
• 22:33
  me,
• 22:34
  believe
• 22:34
  it
• 22:34
  or
• 22:34
  not,
• 22:35
  earlier,
• 22:36
  as
• 22:37
  an
• 22:37
  assistant
• 22:38
  coach.
• 22:39
  When
• 22:39
  I
• 22:40
  first
• 22:40
  was
• 22:40
  in
• 22:41
  Dallas
• 22:41
  as
• 22:42
  an
• 22:42
  assistant
• 22:42
  coach
• 22:43
  for
• 22:43
  Byron
• 22:44
  Scott,
• 22:46
  I'd
• 22:47
  known
• 22:47
  Byron
• 22:47
  for
• 22:48
  years.
• 22:48
  And
• 22:49
  so
• 22:49
  I
• 22:49
  knew
• 22:49
  Rod
• 22:50
  and
• 22:50
  good
• 22:50
  relationship
• 22:51
  with
• 22:51
  him,
• 22:51
  everybody
• 22:52
  knew
• 22:52
  Rod.
• 22:53
  And
• 22:53
  when
• 22:53
  I
• 22:53
  got
• 22:54
  there,
• 22:54
  we
• 22:54
  just
• 22:55
  hit
• 22:55
  it
• 22:55
  off.
• 22:55
  And
• 22:56
  Rod
• 22:57
  said
• 22:57
  to
• 22:57
  me,
• 22:57
  you
• 22:57
  know,
• 23:00
  we
• 23:00
  need
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  rebuild
• 23:01
  this
• 23:01
  team.
• 23:01
  And,
• 23:02
  you
• 23:03
  know,
• 23:03
  you've
• 23:03
  done
• 23:03
  a
• 23:04
  pretty
• 23:04
  good
• 23:04
  job.
• 23:04
  And
• 23:05
  you
• 23:05
  know,
• 23:05
  the
• 23:05
  teams
• 23:05
  you
• 23:05
  were
• 23:06
  with
• 23:06
  before
• 23:06
  Dallas
• 23:07
  and
• 23:08
  Denver,
• 23:09
  and,
• 23:09
  you
• 23:09
  know,
• 23:11
  that's
• 23:11
  not
• 23:11
  me,
• 23:11
  I
• 23:12
  think,
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  know,
• 23:12
  I
• 23:13
  don't
• 23:13
  know
• 23:13
  if
• 23:13
  I'm
• 23:13
  going
• 23:13
  to
• 23:15
  last
• 23:15
  much
• 23:16
  longer.
• 23:16
  You
• 23:16
  know,
• 23:16
  maybe
• 23:17
  a
• 23:17
  year,
• 23:17
  maybe
• 23:18
  six
• 23:18
  months.
• 23:18
  I'm
• 23:19
  not
• 23:19
  sure.
• 23:20
  You
• 23:21
  know,
• 23:22
  and
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  great
• 23:24
  thing
• 23:24
  was,
• 23:24
  and
• 23:25
  the
• 23:25
  best
• 23:25
  compliment,
• 23:26
  you
• 23:26
  know,
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  year,
• 23:28
  year
• 23:28
  and
• 23:28
  a
• 23:28
  half
• 23:29
  goes
• 23:29
  by,
• 23:29
  says,
• 23:29
  you
• 23:29
  know
• 23:30
  what?
• 23:30
  I'm
• 23:30
  having
• 23:31
  so
• 23:31
  much
• 23:31
  fun
• 23:32
  with
• 23:32
  this
• 23:32
  rebuild
• 23:33
  and
• 23:34
  sort
• 23:34
  of
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  moves
• 23:35
  and
• 23:35
  everything,
• 23:37
  you
• 23:37
  know,
• 23:37
  I'm
• 23:38
  going
• 23:38
  to
• 23:38
  keep
• 23:38
  doing
• 23:38
  this.
• 23:39
  I
• 23:39
  love
• 23:40
  it.
• 23:40
  And
• 23:40
  I,
• 23:41
  you
• 23:41
  know,
• 23:41
  anybody
• 23:42
  who
• 23:42
  knows
• 23:42
  Rod
• 23:43
  knows
• 23:43
  he's
• 23:43
  a
• 23:44
  lifer.
• 23:45
  He's
• 23:45
  always
• 23:45
  going
• 23:45
  to
• 23:45
  be
• 23:46
  involved
• 23:46
  in
• 23:46
  the
• 23:46
  NBA
• 23:47
  and
• 23:47
  just
• 23:48
  a
• 23:48
  fantastic.
• 23:49
  He's
• 23:50
  a
• 23:50
  great
• 23:50
  individual.
• 23:51
  He's
• 23:51
  also
• 23:51
  extremely
• 23:52
  smart.
• 23:54
  And
• 23:54
  it
• 23:55
  was
• 23:55
  fun.
• 23:55
  It
• 23:56
  was
• 23:56
  a
• 23:56
  really
• 23:56
  high
• 23:57
  Praise
• 23:57
  to
• 23:57
  have
• 23:57
  him
• 23:58
  say,
• 23:58
  hey,
• 23:59
  listen,
• 23:59
  you
• 23:59
  know
• 23:59
  what?
• 24:00
  No,
• 24:01
  I
• 24:01
  don't
• 24:01
  want
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  retire.
• 24:01
  I
• 24:02
  don't
• 24:02
  want
• 24:02
  to
• 24:02
  go
• 24:02
  anywhere.
• 24:03
  I'm
• 24:03
  having
• 24:03
  a
• 24:03
  great
• 24:03
  time
• 24:04
  doing
• 24:04
  it.
• 24:04
  So
• 24:05
  that
• 24:06
  was
• 24:06
  great.
• 24:06
  A
• 24:06
  good
• 24:07
  man.
• 24:07
  Yeah,
• 24:07
  that
• 24:07
  is
• 24:08
  for
• 24:08
  sure.
• 24:08
  Now,
• 24:09
  what
• 24:09
  are
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  doing
• 24:09
  these
• 24:09
  days
• 24:10
  in
• 24:10
  the
• 24:10
  NBA?
• 24:12
  So,
• 24:13
  a
• 24:13
  couple
• 24:14
  things,
• 24:14
  and
• 24:14
  I
• 24:15
  consult
• 24:15
  in
• 24:15
  a
• 24:16
  number
• 24:16
  of
• 24:16
  companies,
• 24:17
  and
• 24:18
  obviously
• 24:18
  I.
• 24:19
  I
• 24:19
  think
• 24:19
  I'm
• 24:19
  always
• 24:20
  going
• 24:20
  to
• 24:20
  be
• 24:21
  involved
• 24:21
  in
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  NBA
• 24:22
  in
• 24:23
  some
• 24:23
  regard,
• 24:24
  whether
• 24:25
  it's,
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  know,
• 24:26
  people
• 24:26
  who
• 24:27
  call
• 24:28
  me
• 24:28
  up
• 24:28
  and
• 24:28
  ask
• 24:28
  me
• 24:29
  different
• 24:29
  questions,
• 24:31
  you
• 24:31
  know,
• 24:31
  whether
• 24:32
  it
• 24:32
  be
• 24:32
  players
• 24:32
  or
• 24:33
  some
• 24:34
  coaches
• 24:35
  or
• 24:35
  general
• 24:36
  managers.
• 24:37
  And,
• 24:38
  you
• 24:38
  know,
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  still
• 24:38
  watch,
• 24:39
  obviously,
• 24:40
  and,
• 24:41
  you
• 24:41
  know,
• 24:41
  I
• 24:42
  like
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  watch
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  games.
• 24:43
  Not
• 24:43
  as
• 24:43
  much
• 24:43
  as
• 24:43
  I
• 24:43
  used
• 24:44
  to,
• 24:45
  but,
• 24:46
  you
• 24:46
  know,
• 24:46
  because
• 24:47
  I
• 24:47
  was.
• 24:47
  I
• 24:48
  ran
• 24:48
  basketball
• 24:49
  operations
• 24:49
  for
• 24:49
  the
• 24:50
  NBA
• 24:50
  for
• 24:51
  almost
• 24:52
  10
• 24:52
  years,
• 24:53
  which
• 24:53
  I
• 24:53
  loved.
• 24:55
  David
• 24:55
  and
• 24:56
  Adam
• 24:56
  Silver,
• 24:57
  arguably,
• 24:59
  you
• 24:59
  know,
• 24:59
  arguably
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  best
• 25:01
  commissioners
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  all
• 25:02
  time.
• 25:03
  I
• 25:03
  mean,
• 25:04
  and
• 25:04
  both
• 25:04
  of
• 25:04
  them
• 25:05
  were
• 25:05
  perfect
• 25:06
  for
• 25:06
  their
• 25:06
  time.
• 25:07
  David
• 25:08
  was
• 25:08
  perfect
• 25:08
  in
• 25:08
  the
• 25:09
  time
• 25:09
  that
• 25:10
  he
• 25:10
  was
• 25:10
  there,
• 25:11
  and
• 25:11
  Adam
• 25:11
  couldn't
• 25:12
  be
• 25:12
  more
• 25:12
  perfect
• 25:13
  now,
• 25:13
  and
• 25:13
  they
• 25:14
  couldn't
• 25:14
  be
• 25:14
  more
• 25:14
  different
• 25:14
  and
• 25:15
  personality,
• 25:16
  which
• 25:16
  is
• 25:16
  interesting,
• 25:18
  you
• 25:18
  know,
• 25:19
  David
• 25:19
  was
• 25:20
  sort
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  a
• 25:21
  bulldog
• 25:21
  who,
• 25:22
  you
• 25:22
  know,
• 25:22
  was
• 25:23
  dominant,
• 25:24
  got
• 25:24
  in
• 25:24
  there.
• 25:24
  And
• 25:25
  Adam
• 25:25
  is
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  ultimate
• 25:26
  consensus
• 25:27
  builder.
• 25:27
  He
• 25:27
  is
• 25:28
  just,
• 25:28
  you
• 25:28
  know,
• 25:28
  he
• 25:28
  makes
• 25:29
  you
• 25:29
  feel,
• 25:30
  you
• 25:30
  know,
• 25:30
  great
• 25:31
  about
• 25:31
  yourself,
• 25:32
  great
• 25:32
  about
• 25:32
  what
• 25:33
  they're.
• 25:33
  What
• 25:33
  you're
• 25:33
  doing,
• 25:34
  and
• 25:35
  everybody
• 25:36
  buys
• 25:36
  in
• 25:37
  and,
• 25:37
  you
• 25:38
  know,
• 25:38
  so
• 25:38
  very
• 25:39
  lucky
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  work
• 25:39
  with
• 25:40
  those
• 25:40
  guys.
• 25:41
  And
• 25:42
  that
• 25:42
  was
• 25:42
  just
• 25:43
  a
• 25:43
  great
• 25:43
  experience.
• 25:43
  We
• 25:44
  did
• 25:44
  a
• 25:44
  lot
• 25:44
  of
• 25:44
  cool
• 25:45
  stuff
• 25:45
  and
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  replay
• 25:47
  center
• 25:47
  and
• 25:47
  the
• 25:48
  coaches
• 25:48
  challenge
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  a
• 25:49
  lot
• 25:49
  of
• 25:50
  the
• 25:50
  stuff
• 25:50
  that's
• 25:50
  current
• 25:50
  in
• 25:51
  the
• 25:51
  game
• 25:51
  now
• 25:52
  play
• 25:52
  in
• 25:53
  tournament,
• 25:54
  and
• 25:55
  it's
• 25:55
  just
• 25:55
  great
• 25:56
  to
• 25:56
  be
• 25:56
  part
• 25:56
  of
• 25:57
  that
• 25:57
  experience.
• 25:58
  And
• 25:59
  I
• 25:59
  couldn't
• 26:00
  believe
• 26:00
  I
• 26:00
  was
• 26:00
  sitting
• 26:00
  there.
• 26:01
  I
• 26:01
  was
• 26:01
  sitting,
• 26:02
  talking
• 26:02
  to
• 26:02
  a
• 26:02
  friend
• 26:02
  of
• 26:02
  mine.
• 26:03
  He
• 26:03
  says,
• 26:03
  can
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  believe
• 26:04
  this
• 26:04
  is
• 26:04
  a
• 26:05
  one
• 26:05
  of
• 26:05
  one
• 26:05
  job
• 26:06
  running
• 26:06
  basketball
• 26:07
  operations
• 26:07
  for
• 26:07
  the
• 26:07
  NBA?
• 26:08
  Can
• 26:09
  you
• 26:09
  believe
• 26:09
  I'm
• 26:09
  doing
• 26:09
  this?
• 26:11
  My
• 26:11
  friend
• 26:11
  who'd
• 26:11
  known
• 26:12
  me
• 26:12
  all
• 26:12
  my
• 26:12
  life
• 26:12
  said,
• 26:13
  yeah,
• 26:13
  I
• 26:14
  can't
• 26:14
  believe
• 26:14
  you're
• 26:14
  doing
• 26:15
  this.
• 26:15
  You're
• 26:15
  just
• 26:16
  a
• 26:16
  kid
• 26:16
  in
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  gym.
• 26:17
  Last
• 26:17
  time
• 26:17
  I
• 26:17
  remember
• 26:18
  you.
• 26:19
  No.
• 26:19
  Okay.
• 26:20
  That's
• 26:21
  a
• 26:21
  definition
• 26:22
  of
• 26:22
  true
• 26:23
  happiness.
• 26:24
  Doing
• 26:24
  what
• 26:24
  you
• 26:24
  love,
• 26:24
  Kiki,
• 26:25
  all
• 26:25
  these
• 26:25
  years
• 26:26
  and
• 26:27
  certainly
• 26:28
  from
• 26:29
  the
• 26:29
  moment
• 26:30
  that
• 26:31
  you
• 26:31
  were
• 26:31
  born,
• 26:32
  a
• 26:32
  life
• 26:32
  well
• 26:33
  lived,
• 26:33
  I
• 26:34
  think.
• 26:34
  And
• 26:34
  I
• 26:34
  think
• 26:35
  that
• 26:35
  that's
• 26:35
  the
• 26:36
  highest
• 26:36
  compliment
• 26:36
  I
• 26:37
  could
• 26:37
  pay
• 26:37
  somebody.
• 26:38
  And
• 26:38
  that's
• 26:39
  an
• 26:39
  example
• 26:40
  of
• 26:40
  you
• 26:40
  right
• 26:40
  there.
• 26:41
  Well,
• 26:41
  Kiki
• 26:41
  Vandeway,
• 26:42
  it's
• 26:43
  been
• 26:43
  a
• 26:43
  real
• 26:43
  pleasure.
• 26:44
  I
• 26:44
  thank
• 26:44
  you
• 26:45
  for
• 26:45
  taking
• 26:45
  time
• 26:45
  out
• 26:46
  of
• 26:46
  your
• 26:46
  Sunday
• 26:46
  night
• 26:46
  to
• 26:46
  spend
• 26:47
  some
• 26:47
  with
• 26:47
  us
• 26:48
  back
• 26:48
  here
• 26:48
  in
• 26:48
  New
• 26:48
  York.
• 26:49
  Thanks
• 26:50
  again.
• 26:50
  We
• 26:50
  wish
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  all
• 26:51
  the
• 26:51
  Best,
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  we'll
• 26:53
  talk
• 26:53
  to
• 26:53
  you
• 26:53
  down
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  road.
• 26:55
  Thank
• 26:55
  you.
• 26:55
  I
• 26:56
  appreciate
• 26:56
  it.
• 26:56
  Good
• 26:56
  night,
• 26:57
  everybody.
• 26:57
  That
• 26:58
  is
• 26:58
  the
• 26:58
  great
• 26:58
  Kiki
• 26:59
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• 26:59
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• 27:00
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• 27:00
  gentlemen.
• 27:00
  Up
• 27:00
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• 27:01
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• 27:01
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• 27:01
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• 27:02
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• 27:02
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• 27:02
  we
• 27:02
  switch
• 27:03
  gears
• 27:04
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• 27:04
  we
• 27:04
  welcome
• 27:04
  in
• 27:04
  singer,
• 27:05
  songwriter
• 27:06
  and
• 27:06
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• 27:07
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• 27:07
  Mr.
• 27:07
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• 27:08
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• 27:08
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• 27:09
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• 27:09
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• 28:06
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• 28:06
  right,
• 28:06
  ladies
• 28:07
  and
• 28:07
  gentlemen,
• 28:07
  Bo,
• 28:08
  ladies
• 28:08
  and
• 28:08
  girls,
• 28:08
  we
• 28:09
  are
• 28:09
  back
• 28:09
  with
• 28:10
  Sports
• 28:10
  Talk
• 28:10
  New
• 28:10
  York
• 28:11
  here
• 28:11
  on
• 28:11
  WGB
• 28:12
  AM
• 28:13
  FM
• 28:13
  radio.
• 28:14
  We're
• 28:15
  live
• 28:15
  from
• 28:15
  beautiful
• 28:16
  downtown
• 28:16
  Merrick,
• 28:17
  Long
• 28:17
  Island,
• 28:18
  New
• 28:18
  York.
• 28:18
  Well,
• 28:19
  right
• 28:19
  now
• 28:19
  we're
• 28:19
  going
• 28:19
  to
• 28:20
  switch
• 28:20
  gears,
• 28:20
  as
• 28:20
  we
• 28:21
  do
• 28:21
  occasionally,
• 28:22
  and
• 28:23
  bring
• 28:23
  in
• 28:24
  someone
• 28:24
  from
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  entertainment
• 28:25
  field.
• 28:25
  Not
• 28:26
  that
• 28:26
  athletes
• 28:26
  are
• 28:27
  not
• 28:27
  in
• 28:27
  the
• 28:27
  entertainment
• 28:28
  field,
• 28:28
  but
• 28:29
  these
• 28:29
  guys
• 28:30
  a
• 28:30
  little
• 28:30
  more
• 28:30
  succinct
• 28:31
  than
• 28:31
  that.
• 28:31
  Our
• 28:31
  next
• 28:32
  guest,
• 28:32
  he's
• 28:33
  a
• 28:33
  singer,
• 28:33
  songwriter,
• 28:34
  great
• 28:35
  guitar
• 28:35
  player.
• 28:36
  In
• 28:36
  addition
• 28:36
  to
• 28:37
  his
• 28:37
  solo
• 28:37
  material,
• 28:38
  he's
• 28:38
  played
• 28:39
  guitar
• 28:39
  with
• 28:40
  get
• 28:40
  ready
• 28:40
  for
• 28:41
  the
• 28:41
  Steve
• 28:41
  Miller
• 28:41
  Band,
• 28:42
  his
• 28:43
  own
• 28:43
  Dudak,
• 28:43
  Finnegan
• 28:44
  Kruger
• 28:44
  Band,
• 28:45
  Stevie
• 28:46
  Nicks,
• 28:46
  Cher,
• 28:47
  Boz
• 28:48
  Skaggs,
• 28:49
  the
• 28:49
  Allman
• 28:49
  Brothers
• 28:50
  Band,
• 28:50
  Maria
• 28:51
  Moldauer,
• 28:52
  Bobby
• 28:52
  Whitlock
• 28:53
  and
• 28:54
  Dave
• 28:54
  Mason.
• 28:55
  That's
• 28:55
  not
• 28:55
  too
• 28:55
  shabby,
• 28:56
  folks.
• 28:56
  Well,
• 28:57
  welcome
• 28:58
  to
• 28:58
  Sports
• 28:58
  Talk
• 28:59
  New
• 28:59
  York.
• 28:59
  Tonight,
• 28:59
  Les
• 29:00
  Dudek.
• 29:00
  Les,
• 29:01
  good
• 29:01
  evening.
• 29:02
  How
• 29:02
  are
• 29:03
  you?
• 29:03
  We're
• 29:03
  doing
• 29:04
  great.
• 29:04
  How's
• 29:04
  everything
• 29:05
  with
• 29:05
  you?
• 29:06
  It's
• 29:07
  a
• 29:07
  beautiful
• 29:07
  day
• 29:08
  down
• 29:08
  here
• 29:08
  in
• 29:08
  Florida,
• 29:08
  down
• 29:09
  in
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  swamp.
• 29:10
  Ah,
• 29:10
  there
• 29:10
  you
• 29:10
  go.
• 29:11
  Okay.
• 29:11
  Y'all
• 29:12
  be
• 29:12
  down
• 29:12
  there
• 29:12
  next
• 29:12
  week
• 29:13
  for
• 29:13
  spring
• 29:13
  training,
• 29:14
  catch
• 29:14
  a
• 29:14
  little
• 29:15
  baseball,
• 29:15
  so.
• 29:16
  I
• 29:16
  always
• 29:16
  enjoy
• 29:17
  that.
• 29:18
  Yeah.
• 29:18
  Yeah,
• 29:18
  yeah.
• 29:19
  Well,
• 29:19
  I
• 29:19
  tell
• 29:19
  you
• 29:19
  what,
• 29:19
  today
• 29:20
  was
• 29:20
  like,
• 29:21
  I
• 29:21
  call
• 29:21
  it
• 29:22
  California
• 29:22
  weather.
• 29:23
  It
• 29:23
  was
• 29:23
  just
• 29:23
  no
• 29:24
  humidity
• 29:24
  and
• 29:25
  it's
• 29:25
  just
• 29:25
  beautiful.
• 29:26
  Yeah.
• 29:26
  The
• 29:26
  spring
• 29:27
  down
• 29:27
  there
• 29:27
  can't
• 29:27
  be
• 29:27
  beat.
• 29:28
  I
• 29:28
  know.
• 29:28
  Well,
• 29:29
  I
• 29:29
  want
• 29:29
  to
• 29:29
  ask
• 29:29
  you,
• 29:30
  your
• 29:30
  dad
• 29:30
  was
• 29:31
  a
• 29:31
  World
• 29:31
  War
• 29:31
  II
• 29:32
  veteran
• 29:32
  in
• 29:32
  the
• 29:32
  Navy,
• 29:33
  and
• 29:33
  your
• 29:34
  mother
• 29:34
  was
• 29:34
  really
• 29:35
  a
• 29:35
  local
• 29:35
  lady
• 29:36
  here
• 29:36
  from
• 29:36
  Brooklyn.
• 29:37
  That's
• 29:38
  right.
• 29:38
  She
• 29:38
  was
• 29:38
  from
• 29:38
  Flatbush.
• 29:40
  Okay.
• 29:40
  And
• 29:41
  she
• 29:41
  was.
• 29:41
  Folks,
• 29:42
  Les's
• 29:43
  mom
• 29:43
  was
• 29:43
  a
• 29:43
  Radio
• 29:44
  City
• 29:44
  Music
• 29:44
  Hall
• 29:45
  Rockette.
• 29:46
  How's
• 29:46
  that?
• 29:46
  We
• 29:46
  have
• 29:47
  somebody
• 29:47
  whose
• 29:48
  mother
• 29:48
  was
• 29:49
  Miss
• 29:49
  America
• 29:50
  on
• 29:50
  Previously
• 29:51
  and
• 29:51
  now
• 29:52
  Les's
• 29:52
  mom
• 29:52
  is
• 29:53
  a
• 29:53
  Radio
• 29:53
  City
• 29:54
  Music
• 29:54
  Hall
• 29:54
  Rockette.
• 29:55
  You
• 29:55
  can't
• 29:55
  beat
• 29:56
  that.
• 29:56
  Tell
• 29:56
  us
• 29:56
  a
• 29:56
  little
• 29:56
  bit
• 29:57
  about
• 29:57
  your
• 29:57
  mom's
• 29:57
  experience
• 29:58
  doing
• 29:58
  that,
• 29:59
  Les.
• 30:00
  Well,
• 30:00
  she
• 30:00
  was
• 30:00
  a
• 30:00
  high
• 30:01
  kicker,
• 30:01
  you
• 30:01
  know,
• 30:01
  she
• 30:02
  wasn't
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  permanent
• 30:02
  fixture
• 30:03
  in
• 30:03
  there,
• 30:03
  but
• 30:03
  she,
• 30:04
  you
• 30:04
  know,
• 30:04
  she
• 30:04
  would
• 30:04
  fill
• 30:05
  in
• 30:05
  for
• 30:05
  anybody
• 30:05
  that
• 30:06
  was
• 30:06
  sick
• 30:06
  and
• 30:06
  this
• 30:06
  and
• 30:06
  that.
• 30:07
  She
• 30:07
  had
• 30:07
  other
• 30:07
  things
• 30:07
  going
• 30:08
  on,
• 30:08
  but
• 30:09
  that
• 30:09
  was
• 30:09
  one
• 30:09
  of
• 30:09
  her
• 30:09
  loves.
• 30:10
  And
• 30:10
  yeah,
• 30:11
  she
• 30:11
  was
• 30:11
  a
• 30:11
  high
• 30:11
  kicking
• 30:12
  dancer
• 30:12
  for
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  Rockettes.
• 30:13
  That
• 30:13
  is
• 30:13
  outstanding.
• 30:14
  Well,
• 30:15
  and
• 30:15
  her
• 30:15
  brother
• 30:15
  and
• 30:16
  her
• 30:16
  brother
• 30:16
  Joe
• 30:18
  had
• 30:19
  a
• 30:19
  comedy
• 30:20
  burlesque
• 30:21
  show
• 30:21
  that
• 30:22
  ran
• 30:22
  in
• 30:22
  Vegas
• 30:22
  and
• 30:23
  Atlantic
• 30:23
  City
• 30:23
  and
• 30:24
  all
• 30:24
  over
• 30:24
  called
• 30:24
  Bottoms
• 30:25
  up
• 30:25
  for
• 30:25
  years.
• 30:26
  It
• 30:26
  was
• 30:26
  even
• 30:26
  on
• 30:26
  Ed's.
• 30:27
  Oh,
• 30:28
  boy.
• 30:28
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  Well,
• 30:29
  something
• 30:30
  else
• 30:30
  on
• 30:30
  Ed
• 30:30
  Sullivan,
• 30:31
  Les.
• 30:32
  Like
• 30:33
  so
• 30:33
  many
• 30:33
  musicians
• 30:34
  I
• 30:34
  talked
• 30:34
  to
• 30:35
  on
• 30:35
  the
• 30:35
  show,
• 30:36
  four
• 30:37
  guys
• 30:37
  from
• 30:37
  Liverpool
• 30:38
  who
• 30:38
  were
• 30:38
  on
• 30:38
  with
• 30:38
  Ed
• 30:39
  Sullivan
• 30:39
  kind
• 30:40
  of
• 30:40
  caught
• 30:40
  your
• 30:40
  ear
• 30:41
  at
• 30:41
  an
• 30:41
  early
• 30:41
  age
• 30:41
  and
• 30:42
  were
• 30:42
  your
• 30:43
  first
• 30:43
  influence,
• 30:44
  right?
• 30:45
  Yeah.
• 30:45
  I
• 30:45
  mean,
• 30:45
  where
• 30:45
  did
• 30:46
  they
• 30:46
  come
• 30:46
  from?
• 30:46
  You
• 30:46
  know,
• 30:47
  what
• 30:47
  was
• 30:47
  all
• 30:47
  that
• 30:47
  about?
• 30:52
  They
• 30:52
  had
• 30:53
  moderate
• 30:53
  success,
• 30:54
  right?
• 30:55
  They
• 30:55
  had
• 30:55
  a
• 30:56
  little
• 30:56
  bit
• 30:56
  of
• 30:56
  success
• 30:57
  going
• 30:57
  on
• 30:57
  there.
• 30:58
  You
• 30:58
  know,
• 30:58
  it's
• 30:58
  like.
• 31:00
  I
• 31:00
  mean,
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  can't
• 31:01
  imagine
• 31:01
  nobody
• 31:02
  ever
• 31:02
  not
• 31:02
  hearing
• 31:03
  about
• 31:03
  those
• 31:03
  guys.
• 31:05
  Yeah.
• 31:05
  What
• 31:06
  kind
• 31:07
  of
• 31:07
  impression
• 31:07
  did
• 31:07
  they
• 31:08
  leave
• 31:08
  on
• 31:08
  you?
• 31:08
  What
• 31:09
  did
• 31:09
  you
• 31:09
  think
• 31:09
  about
• 31:09
  them
• 31:10
  when
• 31:10
  you
• 31:10
  saw
• 31:10
  them?
• 31:11
  Well,
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  know,
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  just
• 31:14
  thought
• 31:14
  that
• 31:15
  they
• 31:15
  were
• 31:15
  like
• 31:15
  the
• 31:16
  Everly
• 31:16
  Brothers
• 31:16
  on
• 31:17
  steroids,
• 31:18
  you
• 31:18
  know,
• 31:19
  it's
• 31:19
  like
• 31:19
  they
• 31:20
  just
• 31:20
  had
• 31:20
  great
• 31:21
  harmonies
• 31:21
  and
• 31:22
  it
• 31:23
  was
• 31:23
  just
• 31:23
  a
• 31:24
  really
• 31:24
  solid
• 31:25
  band
• 31:25
  with
• 31:25
  great
• 31:25
  writing
• 31:26
  and
• 31:26
  great
• 31:26
  singing,
• 31:27
  you
• 31:27
  know,
• 31:27
  the
• 31:27
  Beatles
• 31:27
  we're
• 31:28
  talking
• 31:28
  about.
• 31:29
  And,
• 31:29
  you
• 31:30
  know,
• 31:30
  I
• 31:30
  mean,
• 31:30
  it's
• 31:30
  like,
• 31:31
  need
• 31:32
  I
• 31:32
  say
• 31:32
  any
• 31:32
  more?
• 31:33
  You
• 31:33
  know,
• 31:34
  Right.
• 31:35
  You
• 31:35
  know,
• 31:35
  and
• 31:35
  the
• 31:36
  rest
• 31:36
  they
• 31:36
  say,
• 31:37
  as
• 31:37
  they
• 31:37
  say,
• 31:37
  is
• 31:37
  history.
• 31:38
  And
• 31:39
  you
• 31:39
  can
• 31:39
  look
• 31:39
  it
• 31:39
  up,
• 31:40
  folks
• 31:40
  like
• 31:41
  Casey
• 31:41
  Stengle
• 31:41
  used
• 31:42
  to
• 31:42
  say
• 31:42
  now.
• 31:43
  Yeah,
• 31:43
  you
• 31:43
  asked
• 31:44
  your
• 31:44
  parents
• 31:44
  for
• 31:44
  a
• 31:45
  guitar
• 31:45
  for
• 31:45
  Christmas
• 31:46
  back
• 31:46
  in.
• 31:47
  I
• 31:47
  guess
• 31:47
  it
• 31:47
  was
• 31:47
  around
• 31:48
  62.
• 31:49
  You
• 31:49
  got
• 31:49
  an
• 31:49
  acoustic
• 31:50
  guitar
• 31:50
  from
• 31:51
  Sears.
• 31:51
  Did
• 31:52
  you
• 31:52
  pick
• 31:52
  it
• 31:52
  out
• 31:52
  from
• 31:53
  the
• 31:53
  catalog?
• 31:54
  Well,
• 31:54
  it
• 31:54
  was
• 31:55
  one
• 31:55
  of
• 31:55
  those,
• 31:55
  you
• 31:55
  know.
• 31:56
  In
• 31:56
  fact,
• 31:56
  I
• 31:56
  still
• 31:57
  have
• 31:57
  it.
• 31:57
  My
• 31:57
  dad
• 31:58
  saved
• 31:58
  it
• 31:58
  after
• 31:59
  all
• 31:59
  these
• 31:59
  years.
• 32:01
  It's
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  little
• 32:02
  cheapy
• 32:03
  acoustic
• 32:04
  Silvertone.
• 32:05
  And
• 32:05
  then
• 32:05
  the
• 32:06
  mom
• 32:06
  got
• 32:06
  me
• 32:06
  one
• 32:07
  of
• 32:07
  those.
• 32:07
  I
• 32:08
  forget
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  number
• 32:08
  on
• 32:08
  it,
• 32:08
  but
• 32:09
  it
• 32:09
  was
• 32:09
  another
• 32:10
  Silver
• 32:10
  Tone.
• 32:10
  It
• 32:10
  looked
• 32:11
  like
• 32:11
  a
• 32:11
  big
• 32:11
  Gretsch,
• 32:12
  you
• 32:12
  know,
• 32:12
  I
• 32:12
  had
• 32:12
  the
• 32:12
  big
• 32:12
  detail
• 32:13
  piece
• 32:13
  and
• 32:13
  all
• 32:13
  that,
• 32:14
  you
• 32:14
  know,
• 32:14
  but.
• 32:15
  Yeah,
• 32:16
  yeah,
• 32:17
  yeah.
• 32:17
  And
• 32:17
  I
• 32:18
  still
• 32:18
  have
• 32:18
  it,
• 32:18
  you
• 32:18
  know.
• 32:20
  It's
• 32:21
  a
• 32:21
  piece
• 32:21
  I
• 32:21
  can't
• 32:21
  part
• 32:22
  with,
• 32:22
  you
• 32:22
  know.
• 32:22
  Yeah,
• 32:23
  I
• 32:23
  can
• 32:23
  imagine.
• 32:24
  But
• 32:24
  I
• 32:25
  got
• 32:25
  the
• 32:25
  bug
• 32:25
  from
• 32:25
  the
• 32:25
  Ventures,
• 32:26
  man.
• 32:26
  Like
• 32:27
  the
• 32:27
  Ventures
• 32:27
  is
• 32:28
  what
• 32:28
  really,
• 32:29
  you
• 32:29
  know,
• 32:29
  Noki
• 32:30
  Edwards,
• 32:30
  when
• 32:30
  he
• 32:30
  played.
• 32:31
  One
• 32:32
  of
• 32:32
  my
• 32:32
  favorite
• 32:32
  Venture
• 32:33
  tunes
• 32:33
  was
• 32:33
  Slaughter
• 32:34
  on
• 32:34
  10th
• 32:34
  Avenue.
• 32:35
  And
• 32:36
  back
• 32:36
  in
• 32:36
  those
• 32:36
  days,
• 32:36
  they
• 32:37
  were
• 32:37
  getting
• 32:37
  sounds
• 32:38
  on
• 32:38
  their
• 32:38
  guitars
• 32:38
  that
• 32:38
  nobody
• 32:39
  was
• 32:39
  getting.
• 32:41
  So
• 32:42
  the
• 32:42
  Ventures.
• 32:44
  I
• 32:45
  caught
• 32:45
  my
• 32:45
  ear
• 32:46
  guitar
• 32:47
  wise
• 32:47
  through
• 32:47
  the
• 32:48
  Ventures.
• 32:49
  Okay,
• 32:49
  we
• 32:49
  get
• 32:49
  you
• 32:50
  there?
• 32:50
  Yeah.
• 32:50
  The
• 32:50
  Ventures,
• 32:52
  I
• 32:52
  think.
• 32:52
  Cream
• 32:53
  and
• 32:53
  Hendrix,
• 32:53
  too,
• 32:53
  right?
• 32:54
  Gotcha.
• 32:56
  Oh,
• 32:56
  yeah.
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  mean,
• 32:57
  that
• 32:57
  was
• 32:57
  the
• 32:57
  late
• 32:57
  60s
• 32:58
  craze
• 32:58
  that
• 32:59
  I
• 32:59
  call
• 32:59
  it
• 32:59
  the
• 33:00
  white
• 33:00
  man's
• 33:00
  blues
• 33:01
  era.
• 33:01
  You
• 33:01
  know,
• 33:01
  when.
• 33:02
  When
• 33:02
  it
• 33:02
  was
• 33:03
  like,
• 33:03
  you
• 33:03
  know,
• 33:05
  all
• 33:05
  the
• 33:05
  Brits,
• 33:05
  you
• 33:06
  know,
• 33:06
  were
• 33:06
  coming
• 33:06
  over
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  big
• 33:07
  pond,
• 33:08
  you
• 33:08
  know,
• 33:09
  of
• 33:09
  course,
• 33:09
  they
• 33:09
  were
• 33:09
  already
• 33:10
  digging
• 33:10
  on
• 33:10
  all
• 33:11
  our
• 33:11
  blues
• 33:11
  greats,
• 33:12
  like,
• 33:12
  you
• 33:12
  know,
• 33:13
  all
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  kings,
• 33:13
  B.B.
• 33:14
  king
• 33:14
  Albert
• 33:14
  King,
• 33:15
  Freddie
• 33:16
  King,
• 33:16
  who
• 33:16
  I
• 33:16
  did
• 33:17
  a
• 33:17
  gig
• 33:17
  with
• 33:17
  with
• 33:17
  Bob
• 33:18
  Skaggs
• 33:18
  in
• 33:19
  Tuscaloosa
• 33:21
  back
• 33:21
  in
• 33:22
  the
• 33:22
  70s.
• 33:22
  And
• 33:23
  when
• 33:23
  I
• 33:23
  met
• 33:24
  him,
• 33:24
  his
• 33:24
  hand
• 33:24
  was
• 33:25
  so
• 33:25
  much
• 33:25
  bigger
• 33:25
  than
• 33:25
  my
• 33:26
  hand.
• 33:26
  I
• 33:26
  was
• 33:26
  like,
• 33:27
  man,
• 33:28
  he's
• 33:28
  a
• 33:28
  big
• 33:28
  man.
• 33:32
  Yeah,
• 33:32
  the
• 33:33
  blues
• 33:33
  definitely
• 33:33
  caught
• 33:34
  my
• 33:34
  ear.
• 33:34
  It
• 33:35
  really
• 33:35
  influenced
• 33:35
  me
• 33:35
  a
• 33:36
  lot.
• 33:36
  Well,
• 33:37
  the
• 33:37
  reputation
• 33:38
  that
• 33:38
  you
• 33:38
  gained
• 33:39
  around
• 33:40
  Florida
• 33:41
  on
• 33:42
  your
• 33:42
  guitar
• 33:43
  cost
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  year
• 33:44
  of
• 33:44
  the
• 33:44
  Allman
• 33:45
  Brothers.
• 33:45
  And
• 33:46
  you
• 33:46
  were
• 33:47
  involved
• 33:47
  with
• 33:47
  the
• 33:47
  recording
• 33:48
  of
• 33:48
  Brothers
• 33:48
  and
• 33:49
  Sisters.
• 33:49
  But
• 33:50
  that
• 33:50
  didn't
• 33:50
  turn
• 33:51
  out
• 33:51
  too
• 33:51
  well,
• 33:51
  did
• 33:51
  it?
• 33:53
  Well,
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  mean,
• 33:54
  you
• 33:54
  know,
• 33:55
  for
• 33:55
  what
• 33:55
  it.
• 33:55
  What.
• 33:56
  You
• 33:56
  know,
• 33:56
  for
• 33:57
  what
• 33:57
  went
• 33:57
  down,
• 33:57
  it
• 33:58
  was
• 33:58
  okay.
• 33:58
  I
• 33:58
  mean,
• 33:59
  you
• 33:59
  know,
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  mean,
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  was.
• 34:01
  I
• 34:01
  mean,
• 34:01
  I
• 34:01
  was
• 34:02
  able
• 34:02
  to
• 34:02
  play
• 34:02
  guitar
• 34:02
  on
• 34:03
  their.
• 34:03
  Two
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  their
• 34:04
  biggest
• 34:04
  hits,
• 34:05
  right?
• 34:05
  You
• 34:05
  know,
• 34:06
  but
• 34:06
  what
• 34:07
  happened
• 34:07
  was,
• 34:07
  was
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  keyboard
• 34:09
  player
• 34:09
  I
• 34:10
  was
• 34:10
  working
• 34:10
  with
• 34:10
  in
• 34:10
  Florida
• 34:11
  at
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  time
• 34:12
  knew
• 34:12
  Dickie
• 34:13
  Betts.
• 34:13
  He
• 34:13
  grew
• 34:13
  up
• 34:14
  with
• 34:14
  Dickie.
• 34:14
  And
• 34:15
  when
• 34:15
  Dwayne
• 34:16
  died
• 34:17
  in
• 34:17
  that,
• 34:18
  you
• 34:18
  know,
• 34:18
  that
• 34:19
  motorcycle
• 34:19
  wreck,
• 34:21
  Peter
• 34:21
  Sless
• 34:22
  was
• 34:22
  our
• 34:22
  keyboard
• 34:23
  player's
• 34:23
  name.
• 34:24
  He
• 34:24
  caught
• 34:25
  the
• 34:25
  wind
• 34:25
  that
• 34:25
  Dickie
• 34:26
  was
• 34:26
  looking
• 34:26
  for
• 34:26
  players
• 34:27
  because
• 34:27
  he
• 34:27
  didn't
• 34:27
  know
• 34:27
  if
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  brothers
• 34:28
  were
• 34:28
  going
• 34:28
  to
• 34:28
  stay
• 34:29
  together
• 34:29
  or
• 34:29
  not.
• 34:29
  So
• 34:30
  he
• 34:30
  was
• 34:31
  forming
• 34:31
  another
• 34:31
  band.
• 34:32
  So
• 34:32
  Peter
• 34:32
  and
• 34:32
  I
• 34:32
  went
• 34:32
  up
• 34:33
  and
• 34:33
  jammed
• 34:33
  with
• 34:33
  Dickie
• 34:33
  at
• 34:34
  the
• 34:34
  Farm
• 34:34
  one
• 34:34
  weekend.
• 34:36
  And
• 34:36
  as
• 34:37
  a
• 34:37
  result
• 34:37
  of
• 34:37
  that,
• 34:38
  about
• 34:38
  a
• 34:38
  week
• 34:38
  or
• 34:38
  two
• 34:38
  later,
• 34:39
  they
• 34:39
  called
• 34:39
  me
• 34:39
  back
• 34:39
  up.
• 34:40
  And
• 34:41
  so
• 34:41
  we
• 34:42
  were
• 34:42
  going
• 34:42
  to
• 34:42
  start
• 34:42
  what
• 34:43
  was
• 34:43
  going
• 34:43
  to
• 34:43
  be
• 34:43
  the
• 34:43
  original
• 34:44
  great
• 34:44
  Southern
• 34:45
  with
• 34:45
  Dickie,
• 34:46
  you
• 34:46
  know,
• 34:47
  and
• 34:47
  then.
• 34:47
  And
• 34:47
  then
• 34:48
  one
• 34:48
  thing
• 34:48
  led
• 34:49
  to
• 34:49
  another,
• 34:49
  and
• 34:49
  they
• 34:49
  decided
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  do
• 34:50
  another
• 34:50
  record.
• 34:51
  And
• 34:52
  then,
• 34:52
  you
• 34:52
  know,
• 34:52
  I
• 34:53
  got
• 34:53
  signed
• 34:53
  to
• 34:53
  Phil
• 34:54
  Walls
• 34:54
  and
• 34:54
  Capricorn
• 34:55
  Records,
• 34:55
  all
• 34:55
  that
• 34:55
  stuff.
• 34:56
  I
• 34:56
  was,
• 34:56
  you
• 34:56
  know,
• 34:57
  deep,
• 34:58
  deep
• 34:58
  in
• 34:59
  with
• 34:59
  that.
• 34:59
  And
• 35:00
  Dickie
• 35:01
  invited
• 35:01
  me
• 35:01
  down
• 35:02
  to
• 35:02
  the
• 35:02
  studio
• 35:02
  one
• 35:02
  night
• 35:03
  when
• 35:03
  they
• 35:03
  were,
• 35:04
  you
• 35:04
  know,
• 35:04
  working
• 35:04
  on
• 35:05
  Rambling
• 35:05
  man.
• 35:05
  And,
• 35:07
  you
• 35:07
  know,
• 35:07
  he
• 35:08
  asked
• 35:08
  me,
• 35:08
  you
• 35:08
  know,
• 35:08
  what
• 35:09
  I
• 35:09
  thought
• 35:09
  about
• 35:09
  this,
• 35:09
  what
• 35:09
  I
• 35:10
  thought
• 35:10
  about
• 35:10
  that.
• 35:10
  And
• 35:11
  I
• 35:11
  gave
• 35:11
  him
• 35:11
  my.
• 35:12
  And
• 35:12
  then
• 35:13
  finally
• 35:13
  he
• 35:13
  just
• 35:13
  said,
• 35:13
  why
• 35:13
  don't
• 35:13
  you
• 35:13
  just
• 35:14
  come
• 35:14
  on
• 35:14
  out
• 35:14
  here
• 35:14
  and
• 35:14
  play
• 35:14
  it
• 35:15
  with
• 35:15
  me,
• 35:15
  you
• 35:15
  know?
• 35:16
  So
• 35:16
  I
• 35:17
  ended
• 35:17
  up
• 35:17
  playing
• 35:17
  on
• 35:18
  Ramble
• 35:18
  Man.
• 35:19
  And
• 35:19
  then
• 35:19
  one
• 35:20
  night
• 35:20
  later
• 35:21
  after
• 35:21
  that,
• 35:22
  Dickie
• 35:22
  had
• 35:23
  the
• 35:23
  beginning
• 35:23
  of
• 35:23
  this
• 35:24
  instrumental
• 35:24
  song,
• 35:25
  and
• 35:26
  he
• 35:27
  just
• 35:27
  had
• 35:27
  the
• 35:27
  verse,
• 35:27
  and
• 35:28
  he
• 35:28
  had
• 35:28
  kind
• 35:28
  of
• 35:29
  a
• 35:29
  Writer's
• 35:29
  block
• 35:29
  on
• 35:30
  it.
• 35:31
  He
• 35:31
  just
• 35:31
  didn't.
• 35:31
  He
• 35:32
  needed
• 35:32
  another
• 35:32
  part
• 35:33
  before
• 35:33
  we
• 35:34
  could
• 35:34
  go
• 35:34
  in
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  studio
• 35:35
  and
• 35:35
  cut
• 35:35
  it.
• 35:36
  And
• 35:36
  so
• 35:36
  he
• 35:36
  invited
• 35:37
  me
• 35:37
  over
• 35:37
  one
• 35:37
  night
• 35:37
  for
• 35:37
  steaks,
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  me
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  my
• 35:39
  girlfriend
• 35:39
  went
• 35:40
  over
• 35:40
  there
• 35:40
  and.
• 35:41
  And
• 35:41
  we
• 35:41
  were
• 35:42
  hanging
• 35:42
  out
• 35:42
  and
• 35:42
  we
• 35:42
  were
• 35:43
  kind
• 35:43
  of
• 35:43
  kicking
• 35:43
  it
• 35:43
  around.
• 35:44
  And
• 35:44
  then
• 35:44
  he
• 35:44
  got
• 35:45
  a
• 35:45
  little
• 35:45
  frustrated
• 35:45
  with
• 35:45
  it
• 35:46
  and
• 35:46
  went
• 35:46
  in
• 35:46
  the
• 35:46
  kitchen
• 35:46
  and
• 35:46
  checked
• 35:47
  on
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  steaks,
• 35:47
  and
• 35:48
  I
• 35:48
  stuck
• 35:48
  with
• 35:49
  it.
• 35:49
  And
• 35:49
  I
• 35:49
  came
• 35:49
  up
• 35:49
  with
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  bridge
• 35:50
  to
• 35:50
  that
• 35:50
  song.
• 35:51
  And
• 35:51
  the
• 35:51
  song
• 35:51
  was
• 35:51
  Jessica.
• 35:53
  And
• 35:54
  so.
• 35:54
  And,
• 35:55
  you
• 35:55
  know,
• 35:56
  it
• 35:56
  was
• 35:56
  all.
• 35:57
  It
• 35:58
  was
• 35:58
  real
• 35:58
  mystical.
• 35:58
  I
• 35:58
  mean,
• 35:59
  you
• 35:59
  know,
• 35:59
  I
• 35:59
  mean,
• 36:00
  he
• 36:00
  lit
• 36:01
  up
• 36:01
  like
• 36:01
  a
• 36:01
  Christmas
• 36:01
  tree
• 36:02
  when
• 36:02
  I
• 36:02
  showed
• 36:02
  him
• 36:02
  the
• 36:03
  bridge
• 36:04
  section
• 36:04
  I
• 36:04
  came
• 36:05
  up
• 36:05
  with.
• 36:06
  And
• 36:06
  we
• 36:06
  ended
• 36:07
  up
• 36:07
  going
• 36:07
  and
• 36:07
  trying
• 36:07
  to
• 36:07
  play
• 36:08
  for
• 36:08
  everybody.
• 36:08
  We
• 36:08
  only
• 36:09
  found
• 36:09
  Jamo
• 36:09
  and
• 36:09
  Lamar,
• 36:10
  couldn't
• 36:11
  find
• 36:11
  Greg
• 36:11
  or
• 36:11
  nobody,
• 36:12
  but.
• 36:12
  But,
• 36:13
  you
• 36:13
  know,
• 36:13
  and
• 36:14
  it
• 36:14
  was
• 36:14
  the
• 36:14
  kind
• 36:14
  of
• 36:14
  thing
• 36:15
  where,
• 36:15
  you
• 36:15
  know,
• 36:15
  they,
• 36:16
  you
• 36:16
  know,
• 36:16
  Dickie,
• 36:17
  you
• 36:17
  know,
• 36:17
  promised
• 36:17
  me
• 36:18
  royalties
• 36:18
  and
• 36:18
  this
• 36:18
  and
• 36:18
  that,
• 36:20
  but
• 36:20
  he
• 36:20
  said
• 36:21
  he
• 36:21
  didn't
• 36:21
  want
• 36:21
  me
• 36:21
  to
• 36:21
  play
• 36:21
  the
• 36:22
  harmonies
• 36:22
  on
• 36:22
  it.
• 36:23
  He
• 36:23
  just
• 36:23
  wanted
• 36:23
  me
• 36:23
  to
• 36:23
  play
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  acoustic
• 36:24
  because
• 36:24
  he
• 36:24
  didn't
• 36:25
  want
• 36:25
  people
• 36:25
  to
• 36:25
  think
• 36:25
  I
• 36:25
  was
• 36:26
  going
• 36:26
  to
• 36:26
  be
• 36:26
  in
• 36:26
  the
• 36:26
  band.
• 36:27
  Right?
• 36:27
  Yeah.
• 36:28
  So
• 36:29
  I
• 36:29
  said,
• 36:29
  okay,
• 36:29
  no
• 36:29
  problem.
• 36:30
  You
• 36:30
  know,
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  don't
• 36:30
  care.
• 36:31
  I'm
• 36:32
  getting
• 36:32
  songwriters
• 36:33
  credits
• 36:34
  on
• 36:34
  a
• 36:34
  new
• 36:34
  Allman
• 36:34
  Brothers
• 36:35
  album.
• 36:35
  So
• 36:35
  I
• 36:35
  was
• 36:35
  tickled,
• 36:36
  you
• 36:36
  know,
• 36:37
  and
• 36:37
  then,
• 36:38
  you
• 36:38
  know,
• 36:38
  it
• 36:39
  just
• 36:39
  turned
• 36:39
  into
• 36:39
  a
• 36:39
  thing.
• 36:41
  I
• 36:41
  ended
• 36:41
  up
• 36:42
  with
• 36:42
  Bob
• 36:42
  Skaggs.
• 36:43
  And
• 36:43
  then,
• 36:44
  you
• 36:44
  know,
• 36:44
  they.
• 36:44
  When
• 36:44
  the
• 36:45
  Brothers
• 36:45
  and
• 36:45
  Sisters
• 36:46
  album
• 36:46
  came
• 36:46
  out,
• 36:46
  they
• 36:47
  swept
• 36:47
  me
• 36:47
  under
• 36:47
  the.
• 36:48
  Under
• 36:48
  the
• 36:48
  rug,
• 36:49
  you
• 36:49
  know.
• 36:49
  Yeah,
• 36:49
  that
• 36:49
  wasn't
• 36:50
  cool.
• 36:50
  Yeah.
• 36:51
  And
• 36:52
  it
• 36:52
  was
• 36:52
  like,
• 36:52
  what.
• 36:52
  I
• 36:53
  mean,
• 36:53
  you
• 36:53
  know,
• 36:53
  Dickie
• 36:54
  literally
• 36:54
  marched
• 36:55
  me
• 36:55
  in
• 36:55
  the
• 36:55
  Walden's
• 36:56
  office
• 36:56
  and
• 36:56
  stood
• 36:56
  me
• 36:57
  at
• 36:57
  his
• 36:57
  desk
• 36:58
  and
• 36:58
  said,
• 36:59
  I
• 36:59
  don't
• 36:59
  know,
• 36:59
  you
• 37:00
  know,
• 37:00
  how
• 37:00
  to
• 37:00
  split
• 37:00
  it,
• 37:00
  but,
• 37:01
  you
• 37:01
  know,
• 37:01
  lest
• 37:02
  you
• 37:02
  get
• 37:02
  some.
• 37:02
  Some
• 37:03
  credit
• 37:03
  and
• 37:03
  some
• 37:03
  royalties
• 37:04
  for
• 37:04
  this,
• 37:04
  because
• 37:04
  he,
• 37:05
  you
• 37:05
  know,
• 37:06
  because
• 37:07
  I
• 37:07
  came
• 37:07
  up
• 37:07
  with
• 37:07
  a
• 37:07
  bridge.
• 37:08
  And
• 37:09
  after
• 37:09
  we,
• 37:10
  you
• 37:10
  know,
• 37:11
  came
• 37:11
  up
• 37:11
  with
• 37:11
  a
• 37:11
  bridge
• 37:12
  with
• 37:12
  that,
• 37:12
  then
• 37:12
  we
• 37:13
  had
• 37:13
  enough
• 37:13
  of
• 37:13
  the.
• 37:13
  So
• 37:14
  calling
• 37:14
  to
• 37:14
  go
• 37:14
  into
• 37:14
  the
• 37:15
  studio
• 37:15
  and
• 37:16
  start
• 37:16
  working
• 37:16
  it
• 37:16
  out.
• 37:18
  And
• 37:18
  so
• 37:19
  we
• 37:20
  did,
• 37:20
  and
• 37:21
  we
• 37:21
  spent
• 37:21
  a
• 37:21
  whole
• 37:21
  week
• 37:22
  on
• 37:22
  that
• 37:22
  song.
• 37:23
  And
• 37:23
  that
• 37:23
  song,
• 37:24
  there's
• 37:25
  no
• 37:25
  overdubs
• 37:26
  on
• 37:26
  it.
• 37:26
  We
• 37:26
  did
• 37:26
  it,
• 37:27
  like,
• 37:27
  night
• 37:27
  after
• 37:28
  night
• 37:28
  until
• 37:29
  we
• 37:29
  were
• 37:29
  like.
• 37:30
  Our
• 37:30
  fingers
• 37:30
  were
• 37:30
  bleeding.
• 37:32
  I
• 37:32
  think
• 37:33
  there
• 37:33
  was
• 37:33
  one
• 37:33
  night
• 37:34
  where
• 37:34
  Dickie
• 37:34
  and
• 37:35
  Greg
• 37:36
  got
• 37:36
  in
• 37:36
  a
• 37:36
  tiff.
• 37:37
  A
• 37:37
  little
• 37:37
  verbal
• 37:38
  thing,
• 37:38
  and
• 37:38
  they'd
• 37:38
  split
• 37:39
  off.
• 37:40
  So
• 37:41
  we
• 37:41
  ended
• 37:41
  up
• 37:41
  just
• 37:42
  jamming
• 37:42
  that
• 37:43
  night.
• 37:43
  And
• 37:43
  Johnny
• 37:43
  Sandlin
• 37:44
  just
• 37:44
  hit
• 37:44
  the.
• 37:45
  Hit
• 37:45
  the
• 37:45
  recording
• 37:45
  button
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  we,
• 37:46
  you
• 37:46
  know,
• 37:47
  some
• 37:47
  of
• 37:47
  that's
• 37:48
  on
• 37:48
  that.
• 37:51
  What
• 37:51
  would
• 37:51
  you
• 37:52
  call
• 37:52
  that?
• 37:53
  Not
• 37:53
  a
• 37:53
  centennial
• 37:54
  album,
• 37:54
  but
• 37:54
  the.
• 37:54
  Like
• 37:54
  a
• 37:55
  box
• 37:56
  set?
• 37:56
  Yeah,
• 37:58
  it
• 37:58
  was
• 37:59
  when
• 37:59
  they
• 37:59
  re
• 37:59
  released
• 38:00
  a
• 38:00
  special
• 38:01
  edition
• 38:01
  Brothers
• 38:02
  and
• 38:02
  Sisters
• 38:02
  album.
• 38:05
  They
• 38:05
  thought
• 38:06
  Barry
• 38:06
  Oakley
• 38:07
  played
• 38:07
  bass
• 38:08
  on
• 38:08
  it,
• 38:08
  but
• 38:08
  no,
• 38:08
  Barry
• 38:08
  had
• 38:09
  already
• 38:09
  died
• 38:10
  also.
• 38:11
  And
• 38:11
  it
• 38:12
  was
• 38:12
  Lamar.
• 38:12
  I
• 38:12
  had
• 38:13
  to
• 38:13
  tell
• 38:13
  them.
• 38:13
  No,
• 38:13
  that
• 38:13
  was
• 38:13
  Lamar
• 38:14
  playing
• 38:14
  base
• 38:14
  on
• 38:14
  it,
• 38:15
  you
• 38:15
  know.
• 38:16
  But
• 38:17
  anyway,
• 38:18
  so,
• 38:18
  you
• 38:18
  know,
• 38:19
  it
• 38:19
  just,
• 38:19
  it
• 38:19
  just
• 38:19
  got
• 38:20
  to
• 38:20
  be
• 38:20
  kind
• 38:20
  of,
• 38:21
  kind
• 38:21
  of
• 38:21
  a
• 38:21
  bitter
• 38:21
  thing
• 38:22
  because
• 38:22
  they
• 38:22
  were
• 38:22
  just
• 38:23
  kind
• 38:23
  of,
• 38:23
  you
• 38:23
  know,
• 38:23
  like
• 38:24
  making
• 38:25
  me
• 38:25
  out
• 38:25
  like
• 38:25
  a
• 38:25
  bad
• 38:25
  guy.
• 38:26
  And
• 38:26
  it's
• 38:26
  like,
• 38:26
  look,
• 38:26
  man,
• 38:27
  I
• 38:27
  just,
• 38:27
  you
• 38:27
  know,
• 38:28
  I
• 38:29
  contributed
• 38:29
  on
• 38:29
  it
• 38:30
  and
• 38:30
  you
• 38:31
  promised
• 38:31
  me
• 38:31
  this
• 38:31
  and
• 38:31
  that
• 38:32
  and
• 38:32
  nothing
• 38:32
  ever
• 38:32
  happened.
• 38:33
  And
• 38:33
  finally,
• 38:34
  you
• 38:34
  know,
• 38:34
  I
• 38:34
  ended
• 38:35
  up
• 38:35
  going
• 38:35
  out
• 38:35
  on
• 38:35
  the.
• 38:36
  On
• 38:36
  the
• 38:36
  Joker
• 38:37
  tour
• 38:37
  with
• 38:37
  Steve
• 38:38
  Miller
• 38:38
  and
• 38:38
  Bob
• 38:38
  Skaggs
• 38:39
  and.
• 38:40
  And
• 38:40
  as
• 38:40
  a
• 38:40
  result,
• 38:41
  Miller.
• 38:41
  Steve
• 38:41
  Miller
• 38:42
  got
• 38:42
  me
• 38:42
  out
• 38:42
  of
• 38:42
  that
• 38:42
  whole
• 38:43
  deal.
• 38:43
  Yeah.
• 38:44
  He
• 38:44
  says,
• 38:44
  he
• 38:45
  said,
• 38:45
  once
• 38:45
  you,
• 38:45
  you
• 38:46
  know,
• 38:47
  you
• 38:47
  know,
• 38:48
  are
• 38:48
  you
• 38:48
  going
• 38:48
  to
• 38:48
  stay
• 38:48
  in
• 38:48
  Macon?
• 38:49
  I
• 38:49
  said,
• 38:49
  well,
• 38:49
  you
• 38:49
  know,
• 38:50
  not
• 38:50
  really.
• 38:50
  I
• 38:50
  don't
• 38:50
  really
• 38:51
  want
• 38:51
  to.
• 38:51
  He
• 38:51
  said,
• 38:51
  well,
• 38:51
  why
• 38:51
  don't
• 38:51
  you
• 38:52
  come
• 38:52
  out
• 38:52
  and
• 38:52
  play
• 38:52
  in
• 38:52
  my
• 38:52
  band?
• 38:53
  And
• 38:53
  he
• 38:54
  gave
• 38:54
  me
• 38:54
  some.
• 38:55
  An
• 38:55
  advance
• 38:56
  on
• 38:56
  a
• 38:56
  tune
• 38:56
  that
• 38:57
  me
• 38:57
  and
• 38:58
  James
• 38:58
  Curly
• 38:59
  Cook
• 38:59
  wrote
• 38:59
  that
• 38:59
  was
• 39:00
  on
• 39:00
  my
• 39:00
  first
• 39:00
  album
• 39:01
  and
• 39:01
  it
• 39:01
  was
• 39:01
  on
• 39:01
  Steve
• 39:01
  Miller's
• 39:02
  Book
• 39:02
  of
• 39:02
  Dreams
• 39:03
  album
• 39:03
  called
• 39:04
  Sacrifice.
• 39:05
  And
• 39:05
  he
• 39:06
  advanced
• 39:06
  me
• 39:06
  some
• 39:07
  money
• 39:07
  on
• 39:07
  that
• 39:07
  and
• 39:07
  I
• 39:07
  was
• 39:08
  able
• 39:08
  to
• 39:08
  move
• 39:08
  out
• 39:08
  to
• 39:08
  California.
• 39:09
  And
• 39:09
  that
• 39:09
  was
• 39:09
  it,
• 39:10
  man.
• 39:10
  He
• 39:10
  gave
• 39:10
  me
• 39:11
  his
• 39:11
  lawy,
• 39:11
  here's
• 39:12
  a
• 39:12
  number.
• 39:12
  And
• 39:12
  I
• 39:12
  got
• 39:13
  out
• 39:13
  of
• 39:13
  that
• 39:13
  deal
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  that
• 39:14
  was
• 39:14
  that.
• 39:14
  It
• 39:14
  was
• 39:15
  kind
• 39:15
  of
• 39:15
  a
• 39:16
  bittersweet,
• 39:16
  you
• 39:17
  know.
• 39:17
  Worked
• 39:18
  out.
• 39:19
  Worked
• 39:19
  out,
• 39:20
  yeah.
• 39:21
  I
• 39:21
  mean,
• 39:22
  in
• 39:22
  retrospect
• 39:23
  I'm
• 39:23
  glad
• 39:23
  I
• 39:23
  left
• 39:24
  because
• 39:24
  I
• 39:24
  did
• 39:25
  so
• 39:25
  many
• 39:25
  more
• 39:25
  things,
• 39:26
  you
• 39:26
  know,
• 39:27
  as
• 39:27
  a
• 39:27
  result.
• 39:28
  Otherwise
• 39:28
  I
• 39:28
  would
• 39:28
  have
• 39:29
  just
• 39:29
  been
• 39:30
  hanging
• 39:30
  out
• 39:30
  there.
• 39:31
  We
• 39:32
  got
• 39:32
  Les
• 39:32
  Dudek
• 39:33
  on
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  show
• 39:33
  tonight.
• 39:34
  People
• 39:34
  may
• 39:35
  remember
• 39:35
  on
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  show
• 39:36
  we've
• 39:36
  had
• 39:36
  several
• 39:37
  people
• 39:37
  involved
• 39:38
  with
• 39:38
  the
• 39:38
  Brothers
• 39:38
  and
• 39:39
  Sisters
• 39:39
  album.
• 39:40
  Butch
• 39:40
  Trucks
• 39:41
  has
• 39:41
  been
• 39:41
  on
• 39:41
  the
• 39:41
  show.
• 39:42
  Valor
• 39:42
  Trucks
• 39:43
  has
• 39:43
  been
• 39:43
  on
• 39:43
  the
• 39:43
  show.
• 39:44
  Who
• 39:44
  people
• 39:44
  may
• 39:44
  not
• 39:45
  know
• 39:45
  is
• 39:46
  the
• 39:46
  blond
• 39:46
  haired
• 39:46
  kid
• 39:47
  on
• 39:47
  the
• 39:47
  front
• 39:47
  of
• 39:47
  the
• 39:48
  Brothers
• 39:48
  and
• 39:48
  Sisters
• 39:49
  album.
• 39:49
  That's
• 39:49
  Butch's
• 39:50
  son,
• 39:50
  Chuck
• 39:51
  Lavelle,
• 39:52
  who
• 39:52
  they
• 39:52
  really
• 39:53
  replaced
• 39:53
  Dwayne
• 39:54
  with
• 39:54
  Chuck
• 39:55
  Lavelle
• 39:55
  on
• 39:55
  the
• 39:55
  piano.
• 39:56
  And
• 39:57
  now
• 39:57
  we
• 39:58
  got
• 39:58
  Les
• 39:58
  Dudek
• 39:59
  with
• 39:59
  us.
• 39:59
  So
• 39:59
  we're
• 40:00
  doing
• 40:00
  pretty
• 40:00
  good,
• 40:01
  folks.
• 40:01
  Now,
• 40:03
  what
• 40:03
  do
• 40:04
  you
• 40:04
  mean
• 40:04
  by
• 40:04
  the
• 40:04
  bridge
• 40:05
  section
• 40:05
  of
• 40:05
  Jessica?
• 40:06
  For
• 40:06
  the
• 40:06
  people
• 40:06
  that
• 40:07
  don't
• 40:07
  know
• 40:07
  what
• 40:08
  that
• 40:08
  means?
• 40:09
  What
• 40:09
  does
• 40:09
  that
• 40:10
  mean?
• 40:10
  What
• 40:10
  part
• 40:11
  of
• 40:11
  the
• 40:11
  tune
• 40:11
  is
• 40:11
  that?
• 40:12
  Okay,
• 40:13
  the
• 40:13
  song
• 40:13
  starts
• 40:14
  off,
• 40:14
  it's
• 40:14
  in
• 40:14
  the
• 40:14
  key
• 40:15
  of
• 40:15
  A.
• 40:16
  And
• 40:17
  what
• 40:17
  I'm
• 40:17
  calling
• 40:18
  a
• 40:18
  verse
• 40:18
  section
• 40:19
  is.
• 40:19
  I
• 40:20
  could
• 40:20
  play
• 40:20
  it
• 40:20
  for
• 40:20
  you
• 40:20
  if
• 40:21
  I
• 40:21
  had
• 40:21
  my
• 40:21
  guitar.
• 40:22
  But
• 40:22
  it's
• 40:23
  the,
• 40:26
  you
• 40:26
  know,
• 40:26
  that's
• 40:27
  like
• 40:27
  the
• 40:27
  Verse
• 40:27
  section,
• 40:28
  and
• 40:28
  it
• 40:29
  needed
• 40:29
  another
• 40:29
  section.
• 40:30
  And
• 40:30
  Dickie
• 40:30
  was.
• 40:31
  He
• 40:31
  was
• 40:31
  just.
• 40:31
  You
• 40:31
  know,
• 40:32
  he
• 40:32
  was
• 40:32
  really
• 40:32
  struggling
• 40:33
  with
• 40:33
  it.
• 40:34
  And
• 40:34
  then
• 40:34
  I
• 40:35
  said,
• 40:35
  well,
• 40:35
  why
• 40:35
  don't
• 40:35
  you
• 40:35
  just
• 40:36
  drop
• 40:36
  it
• 40:36
  down
• 40:36
  to
• 40:36
  G?
• 40:37
  You
• 40:38
  know?
• 40:38
  And
• 40:38
  we
• 40:38
  dropped
• 40:39
  it
• 40:39
  down
• 40:39
  to
• 40:39
  G,
• 40:39
  and
• 40:40
  I
• 40:40
  came
• 40:40
  up
• 40:40
  with
• 40:40
  that.
• 40:41
  That
• 40:41
  riff.
• 40:47
  And
• 40:47
  then
• 40:47
  he
• 40:47
  says,
• 40:48
  well,
• 40:48
  what
• 40:48
  now?
• 40:48
  I
• 40:48
  said,
• 40:49
  just
• 40:49
  walk
• 40:50
  up.
• 40:50
  Just
• 40:50
  keep
• 40:50
  walking
• 40:51
  up.
• 40:51
  And
• 40:51
  he
• 40:51
  was
• 40:52
  like,
• 40:52
  okay,
• 40:52
  walking
• 40:52
  up,
• 40:53
  walking
• 40:53
  up,
• 40:53
  walking
• 40:54
  up.
• 40:54
  Now
• 40:54
  what?
• 40:54
  Now
• 40:54
  what?
• 40:55
  You
• 40:55
  know,
• 40:55
  I
• 40:55
  said,
• 40:56
  go
• 40:56
  all
• 40:56
  the
• 40:56
  way
• 40:56
  to
• 40:56
  the
• 40:56
  top.
• 40:57
  Okay,
• 40:57
  now
• 40:57
  what?
• 40:57
  I
• 40:58
  just.
• 40:58
  I
• 40:58
  said,
• 40:59
  stop.
• 40:59
  And
• 41:00
  then
• 41:00
  he
• 41:00
  says,
• 41:00
  now
• 41:00
  what?
• 41:01
  I
• 41:01
  said,
• 41:01
  just
• 41:01
  start
• 41:01
  over.
• 41:05
  Yeah,
• 41:06
  right.
• 41:06
  He
• 41:07
  lit
• 41:07
  up
• 41:07
  like
• 41:07
  a
• 41:08
  Christmas
• 41:08
  tree,
• 41:08
  man.
• 41:09
  I
• 41:09
  mean,
• 41:09
  it
• 41:09
  was
• 41:09
  like
• 41:11
  we
• 41:11
  ended
• 41:11
  up
• 41:11
  throwing
• 41:12
  the
• 41:12
  acoustic
• 41:13
  guitars
• 41:13
  in
• 41:13
  the
• 41:13
  back
• 41:13
  of
• 41:14
  his
• 41:14
  pickup
• 41:14
  truck,
• 41:15
  and
• 41:15
  we
• 41:16
  were
• 41:16
  trying
• 41:16
  to
• 41:17
  find
• 41:17
  everybody
• 41:17
  to
• 41:17
  play
• 41:18
  for
• 41:18
  everybody.
• 41:19
  And,
• 41:19
  you
• 41:19
  know,
• 41:20
  it
• 41:20
  lightly
• 41:21
  started
• 41:21
  snowing
• 41:22
  outside.
• 41:22
  It
• 41:22
  was
• 41:23
  real
• 41:23
  mystical.
• 41:23
  It
• 41:23
  was
• 41:24
  like,
• 41:24
  almost
• 41:24
  like.
• 41:25
  It's
• 41:25
  almost
• 41:26
  like
• 41:26
  Dwayne
• 41:26
  says,
• 41:26
  hey,
• 41:27
  you
• 41:27
  guys
• 41:27
  got
• 41:27
  that
• 41:27
  part,
• 41:28
  didn't
• 41:28
  you?
• 41:28
  Now
• 41:29
  you
• 41:29
  can
• 41:29
  go
• 41:29
  in
• 41:29
  the
• 41:29
  studio.
• 41:31
  And
• 41:32
  so,
• 41:32
  yeah,
• 41:33
  it
• 41:33
  was
• 41:33
  very
• 41:34
  mystical.
• 41:34
  Great
• 41:35
  story,
• 41:35
  Les.
• 41:36
  Yeah,
• 41:36
  that
• 41:36
  is
• 41:36
  tremendous.
• 41:37
  You
• 41:38
  tell
• 41:38
  us
• 41:38
  you
• 41:38
  enjoyed
• 41:39
  yourself
• 41:39
  with
• 41:39
  Boz
• 41:40
  Skaggs
• 41:41
  and
• 41:41
  Steve
• 41:41
  Miller.
• 41:42
  But
• 41:42
  I
• 41:42
  have
• 41:43
  to
• 41:43
  ask
• 41:43
  you
• 41:43
  about
• 41:43
  my
• 41:43
  favorite
• 41:44
  tune,
• 41:44
  Old
• 41:45
  Judge
• 41:45
  Jones.
• 41:47
  A
• 41:47
  little
• 41:48
  bit
• 41:48
  about.
• 41:48
  There
• 41:48
  used
• 41:49
  to
• 41:49
  be
• 41:49
  a
• 41:49
  band
• 41:49
  around
• 41:50
  Long
• 41:50
  island
• 41:50
  here
• 41:51
  called
• 41:51
  the
• 41:51
  Stanton
• 41:51
  Anderson
• 41:52
  Band,
• 41:53
  and
• 41:53
  they
• 41:54
  did
• 41:54
  an
• 41:54
  amazing
• 41:55
  cover
• 41:55
  of
• 41:55
  Old
• 41:56
  Judge
• 41:56
  Jones.
• 41:56
  And
• 41:57
  that's
• 41:57
  where
• 41:57
  I
• 41:57
  first
• 41:58
  discovered
• 41:58
  you
• 41:59
  was
• 41:59
  finding
• 41:59
  out
• 42:00
  that
• 42:00
  that
• 42:00
  wasn't
• 42:00
  one
• 42:00
  of
• 42:01
  their
• 42:01
  tunes.
• 42:01
  That
• 42:02
  was
• 42:02
  a
• 42:02
  Les
• 42:02
  Dudek
• 42:03
  tune.
• 42:04
  Oh,
• 42:04
  yeah,
• 42:04
  Yeah,
• 42:05
  I
• 42:05
  wrote
• 42:05
  that.
• 42:06
  That
• 42:06
  was
• 42:06
  one
• 42:06
  of
• 42:06
  my.
• 42:07
  One
• 42:08
  of
• 42:08
  those
• 42:09
  just.
• 42:09
  I
• 42:09
  don't
• 42:09
  know,
• 42:10
  man.
• 42:10
  It
• 42:10
  was
• 42:10
  just
• 42:10
  one
• 42:10
  of
• 42:10
  those
• 42:12
  tunes
• 42:12
  that
• 42:13
  just.
• 42:13
  I
• 42:13
  mean,
• 42:13
  I
• 42:13
  couldn't
• 42:14
  get
• 42:14
  it
• 42:14
  on
• 42:14
  paper
• 42:15
  quick
• 42:15
  enough.
• 42:16
  You
• 42:16
  know,
• 42:17
  I
• 42:17
  wrote
• 42:17
  that
• 42:17
  song
• 42:18
  in
• 42:18
  two
• 42:18
  hours.
• 42:19
  Wow.
• 42:20
  Yeah.
• 42:21
  And
• 42:21
  the
• 42:22
  way
• 42:22
  it
• 42:22
  started
• 42:22
  was
• 42:23
  I
• 42:23
  was
• 42:24
  slated
• 42:24
  to
• 42:24
  do
• 42:25
  a
• 42:26
  gig
• 42:26
  with
• 42:26
  the
• 42:26
  Doobie
• 42:26
  Brothers
• 42:27
  at
• 42:27
  Spartan
• 42:28
  Stadium
• 42:28
  in
• 42:29
  San
• 42:29
  Jose,
• 42:30
  Calif.
• 42:30
  And
• 42:31
  I
• 42:31
  didn't
• 42:31
  have
• 42:31
  a
• 42:31
  drummer.
• 42:32
  And
• 42:33
  I
• 42:33
  called
• 42:34
  the
• 42:34
  promoter.
• 42:34
  I
• 42:34
  was
• 42:34
  trying
• 42:34
  to
• 42:34
  cancel.
• 42:35
  He
• 42:35
  goes,
• 42:36
  no,
• 42:36
  you
• 42:36
  can't
• 42:36
  cancel
• 42:37
  it.
• 42:37
  It
• 42:37
  was
• 42:37
  like
• 42:37
  the
• 42:37
  Doobies,
• 42:39
  Pablo
• 42:39
  Cruz,
• 42:40
  War
• 42:41
  and
• 42:41
  myself.
• 42:42
  And
• 42:43
  so
• 42:43
  I
• 42:44
  said,
• 42:44
  well,
• 42:44
  let
• 42:45
  me
• 42:45
  see
• 42:45
  what
• 42:45
  I
• 42:45
  can
• 42:45
  do.
• 42:45
  And
• 42:46
  I
• 42:47
  called
• 42:47
  up
• 42:47
  Jeff
• 42:47
  Piccaro,
• 42:49
  who
• 42:50
  was
• 42:50
  later
• 42:51
  with
• 42:51
  Cotto,
• 42:52
  you
• 42:52
  know,
• 42:52
  and
• 42:53
  of
• 42:53
  course,
• 42:54
  Jeff
• 42:54
  played
• 42:54
  on
• 42:55
  five
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  my
• 42:55
  records.
• 42:56
  But
• 42:56
  I
• 42:57
  called
• 42:57
  up
• 42:57
  Jeff
• 42:57
  and
• 42:57
  I
• 42:57
  said,
• 42:58
  jeff,
• 42:58
  I
• 42:58
  said,
• 42:58
  man,
• 42:59
  I'm
• 42:59
  doing
• 42:59
  a
• 42:59
  gig
• 42:59
  with
• 43:00
  the
• 43:00
  Doobie
• 43:00
  Brothers,
• 43:00
  and
• 43:00
  I
• 43:01
  need
• 43:01
  a
• 43:01
  drummer
• 43:01
  real
• 43:01
  bad.
• 43:02
  Do
• 43:02
  you?
• 43:02
  You
• 43:03
  know?
• 43:03
  And
• 43:03
  Jeff
• 43:04
  goes,
• 43:04
  well,
• 43:04
  where's
• 43:04
  my
• 43:04
  ticket?
• 43:08
  So
• 43:08
  I
• 43:08
  brought
• 43:09
  up
• 43:09
  Jeff.
• 43:09
  And
• 43:10
  so
• 43:10
  when
• 43:11
  we
• 43:11
  were
• 43:11
  rehearsing
• 43:11
  at
• 43:12
  My
• 43:12
  house
• 43:12
  in
• 43:12
  Nevada,
• 43:13
  California,
• 43:13
  which
• 43:14
  is
• 43:14
  like
• 43:14
  30
• 43:15
  miles
• 43:15
  north
• 43:15
  of
• 43:15
  the
• 43:16
  bridge.
• 43:16
  You
• 43:16
  know,
• 43:17
  we
• 43:17
  were
• 43:17
  just
• 43:18
  jamming
• 43:18
  around,
• 43:18
  and
• 43:19
  I
• 43:19
  came
• 43:19
  up
• 43:19
  with
• 43:21
  this
• 43:22
  riff.
• 43:24
  While
• 43:25
  we're
• 43:25
  jamming
• 43:26
  on
• 43:27
  their
• 43:27
  Fiat
• 43:27
  Pocoro,
• 43:28
  says,
• 43:29
  les,
• 43:29
  man,
• 43:30
  you
• 43:30
  gotta
• 43:31
  not.
• 43:31
  Don't
• 43:32
  forget
• 43:32
  that
• 43:32
  riff,
• 43:33
  man.
• 43:35
  So
• 43:35
  I
• 43:35
  ended
• 43:35
  up
• 43:35
  writing
• 43:35
  a
• 43:36
  song
• 43:36
  around
• 43:36
  it.
• 43:36
  And
• 43:37
  we
• 43:37
  did
• 43:37
  it
• 43:37
  on
• 43:37
  my
• 43:37
  second.
• 43:38
  My
• 43:38
  say
• 43:38
  no
• 43:39
  More
• 43:39
  album.
• 43:40
  Yeah,
• 43:40
  I
• 43:41
  tell
• 43:41
  you,
• 43:41
  I
• 43:41
  could
• 43:42
  listen
• 43:42
  to
• 43:42
  that
• 43:42
  one
• 43:42
  all
• 43:43
  day.
• 43:43
  Les,
• 43:43
  that
• 43:43
  is
• 43:44
  tremendous.
• 43:44
  Les
• 43:45
  Dudek
• 43:45
  is
• 43:46
  with
• 43:46
  us
• 43:46
  tonight
• 43:46
  on
• 43:46
  Sports
• 43:47
  Talk
• 43:47
  New
• 43:47
  York.
• 43:48
  Now,
• 43:48
  people
• 43:48
  want
• 43:48
  to
• 43:49
  know.
• 43:49
  Les,
• 43:50
  tell
• 43:50
  us
• 43:50
  about
• 43:50
  Cher.
• 43:52
  Oh,
• 43:52
  man,
• 43:54
  what
• 43:54
  don't
• 43:55
  you
• 43:55
  already
• 43:55
  know?
• 43:57
  Like
• 43:57
  I
• 43:57
  said
• 43:58
  on
• 43:58
  my
• 43:58
  Facebook
• 43:59
  page
• 43:59
  today,
• 44:00
  Les
• 44:00
  had
• 44:00
  a
• 44:01
  relationship
• 44:01
  with
• 44:02
  Share.
• 44:02
  And
• 44:02
  I
• 44:02
  said,
• 44:03
  probably
• 44:03
  many
• 44:03
  of
• 44:03
  you
• 44:04
  guys
• 44:04
  did
• 44:04
  as
• 44:04
  well.
• 44:05
  In
• 44:05
  parentheses,
• 44:05
  you
• 44:06
  know,
• 44:06
  talking
• 44:06
  about
• 44:06
  the
• 44:07
  people
• 44:07
  on
• 44:07
  Facebook,
• 44:08
  probably
• 44:08
  that
• 44:09
  was
• 44:09
  a
• 44:09
  cheap
• 44:09
  shot.
• 44:10
  But
• 44:11
  we
• 44:12
  don't
• 44:12
  know
• 44:12
  what
• 44:12
  happened.
• 44:14
  Well,
• 44:14
  you
• 44:15
  know,
• 44:15
  it
• 44:15
  was.
• 44:15
  Basically
• 44:16
  what
• 44:16
  happened
• 44:16
  was
• 44:16
  I
• 44:17
  was.
• 44:17
  I
• 44:17
  was
• 44:17
  at
• 44:17
  the
• 44:17
  Rainbow
• 44:18
  one
• 44:18
  night,
• 44:18
  you
• 44:18
  know,
• 44:18
  and
• 44:19
  I
• 44:19
  was
• 44:19
  on
• 44:19
  a
• 44:19
  hiatus
• 44:20
  from
• 44:20
  the
• 44:20
  dfk.
• 44:21
  We
• 44:21
  just
• 44:22
  got
• 44:22
  off
• 44:22
  the
• 44:22
  road.
• 44:22
  We
• 44:22
  did,
• 44:23
  like,
• 44:23
  almost
• 44:24
  four
• 44:24
  months
• 44:24
  with
• 44:24
  Kansas
• 44:25
  in
• 44:26
  78.
• 44:27
  And
• 44:28
  this
• 44:28
  guy,
• 44:29
  Richard
• 44:29
  T.
• 44:29
  Baer,
• 44:30
  a
• 44:30
  friend
• 44:30
  of
• 44:30
  mine,
• 44:30
  said,
• 44:30
  hey,
• 44:30
  you
• 44:31
  know,
• 44:31
  Cher's
• 44:31
  doing
• 44:31
  some
• 44:32
  auditions
• 44:32
  down
• 44:33
  at
• 44:33
  the
• 44:33
  CBS
• 44:34
  lot.
• 44:34
  You
• 44:34
  know,
• 44:35
  you
• 44:35
  ought
• 44:35
  to
• 44:35
  come
• 44:35
  down.
• 44:35
  I
• 44:35
  said,
• 44:36
  okay,
• 44:36
  yeah,
• 44:36
  I'll
• 44:36
  go
• 44:36
  down
• 44:37
  there.
• 44:37
  So
• 44:37
  I
• 44:37
  ended
• 44:38
  up
• 44:38
  going
• 44:38
  down
• 44:38
  there,
• 44:38
  and
• 44:39
  it
• 44:39
  turns
• 44:39
  out
• 44:39
  that
• 44:39
  Finnegan
• 44:40
  and
• 44:40
  Stephen
• 44:41
  Sills
• 44:41
  were
• 44:42
  down
• 44:42
  there.
• 44:42
  You
• 44:42
  know,
• 44:43
  Finnegan
• 44:43
  was
• 44:44
  the
• 44:44
  K
• 44:44
  of
• 44:44
  the
• 44:44
  dfk,
• 44:45
  you
• 44:46
  know.
• 44:46
  And
• 44:47
  so,
• 44:47
  you
• 44:48
  know,
• 44:48
  it
• 44:48
  was
• 44:48
  Cher's,
• 44:49
  like,
• 44:49
  auditions.
• 44:50
  And
• 44:50
  we
• 44:50
  just
• 44:51
  turned
• 44:51
  it
• 44:51
  into
• 44:51
  one
• 44:51
  big
• 44:52
  jam
• 44:52
  session,
• 44:53
  you
• 44:53
  know.
• 44:53
  And
• 44:54
  finally
• 44:54
  Cher
• 44:55
  just
• 44:55
  said,
• 44:55
  stop,
• 44:56
  stop.
• 44:56
  It's
• 44:57
  like,
• 44:57
  I'm
• 44:58
  trying
• 44:58
  to.
• 44:58
  You
• 44:58
  know,
• 44:58
  I'm
• 44:58
  trying
• 44:59
  to
• 44:59
  put
• 44:59
  together
• 44:59
  a
• 44:59
  band
• 45:00
  here,
• 45:00
  and
• 45:00
  you
• 45:00
  guys
• 45:00
  turn
• 45:00
  it
• 45:01
  into
• 45:01
  a
• 45:01
  jam
• 45:01
  session,
• 45:02
  you
• 45:02
  know.
• 45:02
  So
• 45:03
  we
• 45:03
  all
• 45:03
  ended
• 45:03
  up
• 45:04
  going
• 45:04
  down.
• 45:04
  She
• 45:05
  treated
• 45:05
  us
• 45:05
  all
• 45:05
  to
• 45:06
  dinner
• 45:06
  at
• 45:06
  Nick's
• 45:07
  Fist
• 45:07
  Market
• 45:07
  down
• 45:08
  in
• 45:08
  West
• 45:08
  Hollywood
• 45:09
  there.
• 45:09
  And
• 45:10
  then
• 45:10
  she
• 45:10
  came
• 45:11
  up
• 45:11
  to
• 45:11
  me
• 45:11
  afterwards.
• 45:11
  She
• 45:12
  goes,
• 45:12
  well,
• 45:12
  you
• 45:12
  know,
• 45:12
  are
• 45:13
  you
• 45:13
  interested
• 45:13
  in
• 45:13
  being
• 45:13
  in
• 45:13
  my
• 45:14
  band?
• 45:14
  I
• 45:14
  said,
• 45:14
  well,
• 45:15
  I'm
• 45:15
  not
• 45:15
  doing
• 45:16
  anything
• 45:16
  right
• 45:16
  now.
• 45:16
  What
• 45:16
  you
• 45:17
  got
• 45:17
  going
• 45:17
  on?
• 45:18
  What
• 45:18
  is
• 45:18
  it?
• 45:18
  You
• 45:18
  know?
• 45:18
  And
• 45:19
  one
• 45:20
  thing
• 45:20
  led
• 45:20
  to
• 45:20
  another.
• 45:21
  She.
• 45:21
  She
• 45:21
  invited
• 45:22
  herself
• 45:22
  over
• 45:22
  to
• 45:23
  my
• 45:23
  house,
• 45:23
  and
• 45:23
  I
• 45:24
  said,
• 45:24
  come
• 45:24
  on
• 45:24
  over
• 45:24
  and
• 45:24
  we'll
• 45:25
  talk
• 45:25
  about
• 45:25
  it.
• 45:26
  And
• 45:26
  we
• 45:26
  did.
• 45:26
  And,
• 45:27
  you
• 45:27
  know,
• 45:28
  I
• 45:28
  hoped
• 45:28
  to
• 45:28
  get
• 45:28
  a
• 45:29
  producer
• 45:29
  for
• 45:29
  it.
• 45:29
  So
• 45:29
  he
• 45:29
  had
• 45:30
  about
• 45:30
  four
• 45:30
  or
• 45:30
  five
• 45:30
  producers
• 45:31
  at
• 45:31
  the
• 45:31
  time.
• 45:32
  I
• 45:32
  said,
• 45:32
  you
• 45:33
  know,
• 45:33
  you
• 45:33
  ought
• 45:33
  to
• 45:33
  just
• 45:33
  get
• 45:33
  James
• 45:34
  Newton
• 45:34
  Howard.
• 45:34
  He's
• 45:35
  one
• 45:35
  of
• 45:35
  the
• 45:35
  best.
• 45:35
  You
• 45:36
  know,
• 45:36
  I
• 45:36
  just
• 45:36
  did
• 45:36
  an
• 45:36
  album
• 45:37
  with
• 45:37
  him
• 45:37
  with
• 45:37
  dfk
• 45:38
  and
• 45:39
  James,
• 45:39
  you
• 45:39
  know,
• 45:40
  like,
• 45:40
  later
• 45:40
  on,
• 45:41
  he
• 45:42
  wrote
• 45:42
  many
• 45:42
  scores
• 45:43
  for
• 45:43
  many
• 45:44
  big
• 45:44
  movies,
• 45:44
  like
• 45:45
  some
• 45:45
  of
• 45:45
  the
• 45:45
  Batman
• 45:46
  stuff
• 45:46
  and
• 45:46
  all
• 45:46
  that.
• 45:47
  And
• 45:47
  he
• 45:47
  had
• 45:48
  been
• 45:48
  working
• 45:48
  with
• 45:48
  Elton
• 45:48
  John
• 45:49
  and
• 45:49
  all
• 45:49
  that.
• 45:49
  Just
• 45:50
  a
• 45:50
  great
• 45:50
  keyboard
• 45:50
  player
• 45:51
  and
• 45:51
  a
• 45:51
  great
• 45:51
  producer.
• 45:52
  So
• 45:52
  we
• 45:53
  did
• 45:53
  the
• 45:53
  Black
• 45:53
  Rose
• 45:54
  album.
• 45:54
  I
• 45:54
  mean,
• 45:54
  basically
• 45:55
  it
• 45:55
  was
• 45:55
  her
• 45:55
  album.
• 45:56
  You
• 45:56
  know,
• 45:56
  she
• 45:56
  just.
• 45:57
  She
• 45:57
  wanted
• 45:57
  to
• 45:57
  front
• 45:58
  a
• 45:58
  rock
• 45:58
  and
• 45:59
  roll
• 45:59
  band,
• 46:00
  and
• 46:00
  I
• 46:01
  wasn't
• 46:01
  doing
• 46:01
  anything.
• 46:01
  I
• 46:02
  said,
• 46:02
  sure,
• 46:03
  yeah,
• 46:03
  I'll
• 46:03
  help
• 46:03
  you
• 46:04
  with
• 46:04
  that,
• 46:04
  you
• 46:04
  know.
• 46:05
  So
• 46:06
  we
• 46:06
  did
• 46:06
  that.
• 46:06
  And
• 46:07
  I
• 46:07
  took
• 46:07
  a
• 46:07
  lot
• 46:07
  of.
• 46:07
  Lot
• 46:08
  of
• 46:08
  flack
• 46:08
  for
• 46:08
  that,
• 46:08
  I
• 46:09
  gotta
• 46:09
  tell
• 46:09
  you.
• 46:10
  Oh,
• 46:10
  man.
• 46:11
  Yeah,
• 46:12
  my
• 46:12
  record
• 46:13
  company
• 46:13
  was
• 46:13
  not
• 46:13
  happy,
• 46:14
  you
• 46:14
  know,
• 46:15
  but
• 46:16
  I
• 46:16
  thought,
• 46:16
  well,
• 46:17
  heck,
• 46:17
  I'm
• 46:17
  not
• 46:17
  doing
• 46:17
  anything
• 46:18
  else.
• 46:18
  And
• 46:18
  Finnegan
• 46:19
  was
• 46:19
  down
• 46:19
  here
• 46:19
  and
• 46:19
  he's
• 46:19
  on.
• 46:20
  He
• 46:20
  was
• 46:20
  on
• 46:20
  Columbia
• 46:21
  Records
• 46:21
  at
• 46:21
  the
• 46:21
  time
• 46:22
  also.
• 46:22
  So
• 46:22
  it's
• 46:23
  like,
• 46:23
  what's
• 46:23
  the
• 46:24
  big
• 46:24
  deal?
• 46:24
  You
• 46:24
  know,
• 46:24
  I'm
• 46:24
  not
• 46:25
  doing
• 46:25
  anything
• 46:25
  else,
• 46:25
  so.
• 46:26
  So
• 46:26
  I'll
• 46:27
  go
• 46:27
  help
• 46:27
  share.
• 46:28
  And,
• 46:28
  you
• 46:29
  know,
• 46:29
  one
• 46:29
  thing
• 46:29
  led
• 46:29
  to
• 46:29
  another,
• 46:30
  and
• 46:30
  then
• 46:30
  all
• 46:30
  of
• 46:30
  a
• 46:30
  sudden,
• 46:31
  you
• 46:31
  know,
• 46:31
  we
• 46:31
  turn
• 46:32
  into
• 46:32
  an
• 46:32
  item
• 46:32
  for
• 46:33
  three
• 46:33
  years,
• 46:33
  you
• 46:34
  know.
• 46:34
  So,
• 46:34
  yeah,
• 46:35
  I
• 46:35
  knew.
• 46:36
  I
• 46:36
  knew
• 46:36
  less
• 46:36
  you
• 46:36
  were
• 46:37
  going
• 46:37
  to
• 46:37
  give
• 46:37
  me.
• 46:37
  The
• 46:37
  one
• 46:37
  thing
• 46:38
  led
• 46:38
  to
• 46:38
  another
• 46:38
  thing.
• 46:39
  I
• 46:39
  just
• 46:39
  knew
• 46:40
  you.
• 46:42
  I
• 46:43
  didn't
• 46:43
  go
• 46:43
  into
• 46:43
  it
• 46:44
  trying
• 46:44
  to
• 46:44
  have
• 46:45
  a
• 46:45
  relationship
• 46:47
  on
• 46:47
  a
• 46:47
  business
• 46:48
  level,
• 46:48
  trying
• 46:49
  to
• 46:49
  help
• 46:49
  her
• 46:49
  do
• 46:49
  a.
• 46:50
  Do
• 46:50
  a
• 46:50
  project,
• 46:50
  you
• 46:50
  know,
• 46:51
  and
• 46:52
  we
• 46:52
  did.
• 46:52
  And
• 46:53
  then
• 46:53
  one
• 46:53
  thing
• 46:53
  led
• 46:54
  to
• 46:54
  another,
• 46:54
  and
• 46:54
  then
• 46:54
  we
• 46:55
  ended
• 46:55
  up,
• 46:55
  you
• 46:55
  know,
• 46:55
  all
• 46:55
  of
• 46:56
  a
• 46:56
  sudden,
• 46:56
  now
• 46:56
  I'm
• 46:56
  living
• 46:56
  at
• 46:56
  her
• 46:57
  house.
• 46:58
  Not
• 46:58
  bad.
• 46:58
  Yeah,
• 46:59
  you
• 47:00
  could
• 47:00
  be
• 47:00
  with
• 47:00
  worse
• 47:00
  people,
• 47:01
  Les,
• 47:01
  let
• 47:01
  me
• 47:01
  tell
• 47:02
  you.
• 47:02
  Yeah,
• 47:03
  you
• 47:03
  know,
• 47:03
  I
• 47:03
  mean,
• 47:03
  I
• 47:03
  thought,
• 47:04
  what
• 47:04
  the
• 47:04
  hell?
• 47:05
  Why
• 47:05
  not?
• 47:05
  You
• 47:05
  know?
• 47:06
  I
• 47:06
  mean,
• 47:06
  I
• 47:06
  made
• 47:06
  a
• 47:06
  lot
• 47:06
  of
• 47:06
  people
• 47:07
  jealous,
• 47:07
  I
• 47:07
  got
• 47:07
  to
• 47:07
  tell
• 47:08
  you
• 47:08
  that.
• 47:08
  Yeah,
• 47:10
  I
• 47:10
  can
• 47:10
  imagine.
• 47:11
  Yeah.
• 47:11
  Les
• 47:12
  dicks
• 47:12
  with
• 47:12
  us
• 47:12
  tonight.
• 47:13
  Now,
• 47:13
  how
• 47:13
  about
• 47:14
  working
• 47:14
  with
• 47:14
  Stevie
• 47:14
  Nicks?
• 47:16
  Oh,
• 47:16
  God.
• 47:17
  Well,
• 47:17
  that
• 47:17
  was
• 47:17
  a
• 47:17
  whole
• 47:18
  nother
• 47:18
  scenario.
• 47:18
  You
• 47:19
  know,
• 47:20
  Stevie
• 47:20
  and
• 47:20
  I
• 47:22
  hooked
• 47:22
  up
• 47:22
  with
• 47:23
  Stevie,
• 47:23
  and
• 47:23
  I
• 47:23
  went
• 47:23
  over
• 47:24
  to
• 47:24
  her
• 47:24
  house
• 47:24
  and
• 47:25
  hung
• 47:25
  out
• 47:25
  with
• 47:25
  her
• 47:26
  for
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  month.
• 47:27
  I
• 47:27
  was
• 47:27
  only
• 47:27
  supposed
• 47:27
  to
• 47:28
  go
• 47:28
  there
• 47:28
  for
• 47:29
  just
• 47:29
  a
• 47:29
  few
• 47:29
  hours.
• 47:29
  And
• 47:30
  a
• 47:30
  month
• 47:31
  later,
• 47:31
  I
• 47:31
  said,
• 47:31
  you
• 47:32
  know,
• 47:32
  Stevie,
• 47:32
  I
• 47:32
  gotta
• 47:32
  go
• 47:33
  home
• 47:33
  and
• 47:33
  do
• 47:33
  my
• 47:33
  laundry
• 47:34
  and
• 47:34
  pay
• 47:34
  some
• 47:34
  bills.
• 47:37
  She
• 47:38
  goes,
• 47:38
  well,
• 47:39
  hurry
• 47:39
  back.
• 47:40
  Wow.
• 47:41
  Yeah.
• 47:42
  Yeah.
• 47:42
  So
• 47:43
  we
• 47:43
  wrote
• 47:43
  a
• 47:43
  couple
• 47:43
  songs
• 47:44
  together,
• 47:44
  one
• 47:44
  of
• 47:44
  which
• 47:45
  was
• 47:45
  on
• 47:45
  her
• 47:46
  rock,
• 47:46
  a
• 47:46
  little
• 47:46
  album
• 47:47
  called
• 47:47
  Sister
• 47:48
  Honey.
• 47:49
  And
• 47:49
  then
• 47:50
  the
• 47:51
  other
• 47:51
  one
• 47:51
  was
• 47:51
  called
• 47:51
  Freestyle.
• 47:52
  And
• 47:53
  I
• 47:53
  have
• 47:53
  that
• 47:53
  on
• 47:55
  one
• 47:55
  of
• 47:55
  my
• 47:55
  CDs,
• 47:56
  is
• 47:56
  called
• 47:56
  Freestyle.
• 47:57
  It's
• 47:57
  the
• 47:57
  tune
• 47:57
  that
• 47:57
  we
• 47:57
  wrote
• 47:58
  together,
• 47:58
  you
• 47:59
  know,
• 47:59
  and,
• 48:00
  yeah,
• 48:00
  it
• 48:01
  was
• 48:01
  one
• 48:01
  of
• 48:02
  those
• 48:02
  things.
• 48:04
  It's
• 48:05
  funny,
• 48:05
  I
• 48:05
  get
• 48:05
  a
• 48:06
  call
• 48:06
  from
• 48:06
  Cher
• 48:06
  one
• 48:07
  night.
• 48:07
  She
• 48:07
  goes.
• 48:07
  She's
• 48:08
  reading
• 48:08
  Rolling
• 48:09
  Stone
• 48:09
  magazine,
• 48:09
  and
• 48:09
  there's
• 48:10
  a
• 48:10
  little
• 48:10
  blurb
• 48:10
  in
• 48:11
  there
• 48:11
  about
• 48:11
  Stevie
• 48:12
  and
• 48:12
  I
• 48:12
  writing
• 48:12
  some
• 48:12
  tunes.
• 48:13
  And
• 48:13
  Cher
• 48:14
  goes,
• 48:14
  who's
• 48:15
  this
• 48:15
  blonde
• 48:15
  chick
• 48:15
  you're
• 48:16
  writing
• 48:16
  the
• 48:16
  tunes
• 48:16
  with?
• 48:17
  You
• 48:17
  know,
• 48:17
  who's
• 48:17
  this?
• 48:18
  I
• 48:18
  said,
• 48:19
  come
• 48:19
  on,
• 48:19
  man.
• 48:20
  Yeah,
• 48:21
  man.
• 48:22
  Friend
• 48:23
  to
• 48:23
  many.
• 48:23
  Let's
• 48:24
  do
• 48:24
  that.
• 48:25
  That
• 48:25
  is
• 48:25
  for
• 48:25
  sure.
• 48:26
  Now,
• 48:26
  what
• 48:26
  happened
• 48:27
  with
• 48:27
  Steppenwolf,
• 48:28
  Les?
• 48:30
  Yeah,
• 48:30
  well,
• 48:30
  that
• 48:31
  was.
• 48:31
  That's
• 48:32
  a.
• 48:32
  That's
• 48:32
  a.
• 48:33
  That's
• 48:33
  a
• 48:33
  kind
• 48:33
  of
• 48:33
  a
• 48:33
  weird
• 48:34
  story.
• 48:34
  You
• 48:34
  know,
• 48:35
  I
• 48:35
  went
• 48:36
  out.
• 48:36
  I
• 48:36
  was
• 48:36
  actually.
• 48:37
  I
• 48:37
  was
• 48:38
  filling
• 48:38
  in
• 48:38
  for
• 48:39
  my
• 48:40
  friend
• 48:41
  Ron
• 48:41
  Richard,
• 48:42
  who
• 48:42
  we
• 48:42
  did
• 48:42
  the
• 48:42
  Black
• 48:43
  Rose
• 48:43
  thing
• 48:43
  with
• 48:43
  Sheer
• 48:44
  Ron,
• 48:45
  or
• 48:45
  we
• 48:46
  call
• 48:46
  them
• 48:46
  Rocket,
• 48:47
  you
• 48:47
  know,
• 48:47
  and
• 48:47
  Rocket
• 48:48
  was
• 48:48
  playing
• 48:48
  with
• 48:49
  Cher,
• 48:50
  you
• 48:50
  know,
• 48:51
  and
• 48:52
  then
• 48:53
  he
• 48:53
  was.
• 48:53
  You
• 48:54
  know,
• 48:54
  we
• 48:54
  did
• 48:54
  that
• 48:54
  together
• 48:55
  and
• 48:55
  then.
• 48:56
  Are
• 48:56
  you
• 48:56
  there?
• 48:56
  Yeah,
• 48:57
  I'm
• 48:57
  here.
• 48:57
  Yourwalletandstuff.
• 48:57
  Yeah.Okay.Yeah.Ididn'tknowmyphonewasdoingsomethingweird.But
• 49:00
  anyway,he
• 49:02
  playedwithJohnK.AndStepmofor
• 49:04
  a
• 49:04
  while,
• 49:04
  and
• 49:05
  then
• 49:05
  it
• 49:06
  came
• 49:06
  up
• 49:06
  to
• 49:06
  where
• 49:06
  he
• 49:07
  was
• 49:07
  going
• 49:07
  to
• 49:07
  go
• 49:07
  play
• 49:07
  with
• 49:08
  David
• 49:08
  Lee
• 49:08
  Roth.
• 49:09
  So
• 49:09
  Rocket
• 49:10
  called
• 49:10
  me
• 49:11
  and
• 49:11
  said,
• 49:11
  man,
• 49:11
  you
• 49:11
  ought
• 49:11
  to,
• 49:11
  you
• 49:12
  know,
• 49:12
  do
• 49:12
  this
• 49:12
  thing
• 49:13
  with
• 49:14
  Seven
• 49:14
  Wolf.
• 49:15
  So,
• 49:15
  you
• 49:15
  know,
• 49:16
  I
• 49:16
  did
• 49:16
  it,
• 49:16
  you
• 49:16
  know,
• 49:16
  and
• 49:16
  it
• 49:17
  was.
• 49:17
  It
• 49:17
  was
• 49:17
  okay.
• 49:17
  And
• 49:18
  it
• 49:19
  was
• 49:19
  just,
• 49:19
  you
• 49:19
  know,
• 49:20
  there
• 49:20
  was
• 49:20
  some
• 49:20
  weird
• 49:21
  thing
• 49:21
  happened
• 49:21
  in
• 49:21
  Vegas,
• 49:22
  you
• 49:22
  know,
• 49:22
  where.
• 49:23
  I
• 49:23
  mean,
• 49:24
  it's
• 49:24
  kind
• 49:24
  of
• 49:24
  a
• 49:24
  long
• 49:25
  story,
• 49:25
  but
• 49:25
  basically
• 49:27
  we're
• 49:27
  playing
• 49:27
  a
• 49:28
  gig
• 49:28
  in
• 49:28
  Vegas,
• 49:29
  and
• 49:30
  an
• 49:30
  old
• 49:31
  Hills
• 49:31
  angel
• 49:31
  friend
• 49:31
  of
• 49:32
  mine,
• 49:32
  you
• 49:32
  know,
• 49:33
  found
• 49:33
  out
• 49:33
  that
• 49:33
  I
• 49:33
  was
• 49:34
  playing
• 49:34
  in
• 49:34
  the
• 49:34
  band.
• 49:34
  He
• 49:34
  started
• 49:35
  sending
• 49:35
  me
• 49:35
  up
• 49:35
  some
• 49:35
  drinks,
• 49:36
  you
• 49:37
  know,
• 49:37
  and
• 49:37
  then
• 49:37
  at
• 49:38
  the
• 49:38
  end
• 49:38
  of
• 49:38
  the
• 49:38
  show,
• 49:38
  he
• 49:38
  invited
• 49:39
  me
• 49:39
  over
• 49:39
  to
• 49:39
  his
• 49:39
  house.
• 49:39
  He
• 49:39
  says,
• 49:40
  les,
• 49:40
  you
• 49:40
  got
• 49:40
  to
• 49:40
  come
• 49:40
  meet
• 49:41
  my
• 49:41
  wife
• 49:41
  and
• 49:41
  my
• 49:41
  family
• 49:41
  and
• 49:42
  stuff,
• 49:42
  you
• 49:43
  know.
• 49:43
  So
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  did.
• 49:44
  And
• 49:44
  then,
• 49:44
  anyway,
• 49:45
  so
• 49:45
  we,
• 49:45
  you
• 49:45
  know,
• 49:46
  we
• 49:46
  hung
• 49:47
  out
• 49:47
  for
• 49:47
  a
• 49:47
  while.
• 49:47
  And
• 49:47
  then
• 49:47
  he
• 49:48
  put
• 49:48
  me
• 49:48
  in
• 49:48
  a
• 49:49
  cab
• 49:49
  to,
• 49:50
  you
• 49:50
  know,
• 49:50
  send
• 49:50
  me
• 49:50
  back
• 49:51
  to
• 49:51
  the
• 49:51
  hotel.
• 49:52
  And
• 49:53
  the
• 49:53
  cab
• 49:53
  driver
• 49:54
  was
• 49:54
  running
• 49:54
  me
• 49:54
  all
• 49:54
  around
• 49:55
  town.
• 49:55
  I
• 49:55
  mean,
• 49:55
  like
• 49:56
  I
• 49:56
  said
• 49:56
  earlier,
• 49:57
  my
• 49:57
  uncle
• 49:57
  had
• 49:57
  a
• 49:58
  show
• 49:58
  in
• 49:58
  Vegas,
• 49:58
  and
• 50:00
  I
• 50:00
  used
• 50:00
  to
• 50:00
  go
• 50:01
  out
• 50:01
  there,
• 50:01
  and
• 50:01
  I
• 50:01
  was
• 50:02
  there
• 50:02
  with
• 50:02
  Cher
• 50:03
  at
• 50:03
  Caesar's
• 50:03
  Palace.
• 50:04
  And
• 50:04
  I
• 50:04
  know
• 50:04
  my
• 50:05
  way
• 50:05
  around
• 50:05
  Vegas,
• 50:06
  you
• 50:06
  know,
• 50:06
  and
• 50:06
  the
• 50:06
  guy
• 50:06
  was
• 50:06
  just
• 50:06
  running
• 50:07
  me
• 50:07
  around
• 50:07
  town.
• 50:07
  Anyway,
• 50:08
  one
• 50:08
  thing
• 50:09
  led
• 50:09
  to
• 50:09
  another,
• 50:10
  and
• 50:10
  he.
• 50:11
  I
• 50:11
  finally
• 50:12
  said,
• 50:12
  look,
• 50:12
  if
• 50:12
  you
• 50:12
  can't
• 50:13
  just
• 50:13
  get
• 50:13
  me
• 50:13
  to
• 50:13
  the
• 50:13
  hotel,
• 50:14
  just
• 50:14
  drop
• 50:14
  me
• 50:14
  off
• 50:14
  and
• 50:15
  I'll
• 50:15
  walk
• 50:15
  there
• 50:15
  and
• 50:15
  get
• 50:15
  there
• 50:16
  quicker,
• 50:16
  you
• 50:16
  know.
• 50:17
  And
• 50:17
  so
• 50:18
  he
• 50:19
  had
• 50:19
  an
• 50:19
  attitude,
• 50:19
  and
• 50:19
  when
• 50:20
  he
• 50:20
  pulls
• 50:20
  up
• 50:20
  to
• 50:20
  the
• 50:20
  hotel
• 50:21
  and
• 50:21
  he
• 50:21
  wanted
• 50:21
  to
• 50:21
  fight,
• 50:22
  oh,
• 50:22
  man,
• 50:25
  it's
• 50:25
  like,
• 50:25
  dude,
• 50:25
  it's
• 50:26
  like,
• 50:26
  you
• 50:27
  know,
• 50:27
  I
• 50:27
  just
• 50:27
  want.
• 50:28
  I
• 50:28
  just
• 50:28
  wanted
• 50:28
  to
• 50:28
  get
• 50:28
  to
• 50:29
  the
• 50:29
  hotel,
• 50:29
  please.
• 50:30
  And
• 50:30
  anyway,
• 50:30
  so
• 50:31
  they
• 50:31
  ended
• 50:31
  up
• 50:31
  calling
• 50:31
  the
• 50:32
  cops,
• 50:32
  you
• 50:33
  know,
• 50:33
  and
• 50:33
  it's
• 50:33
  like,
• 50:34
  for
• 50:34
  what
• 50:34
  you
• 50:34
  know,
• 50:35
  and
• 50:35
  it's
• 50:35
  like,
• 50:35
  anyway,
• 50:35
  one
• 50:36
  thing
• 50:36
  to
• 50:36
  another,
• 50:36
  but
• 50:37
  the
• 50:37
  cop
• 50:38
  finally
• 50:38
  says,
• 50:39
  all
• 50:39
  right,
• 50:40
  if
• 50:40
  you
• 50:40
  just
• 50:40
  pay
• 50:41
  him,
• 50:41
  we'll
• 50:41
  just
• 50:41
  forget
• 50:41
  about
• 50:42
  everything,
• 50:42
  right?
• 50:42
  And
• 50:43
  I
• 50:43
  said,
• 50:43
  well,
• 50:43
  I
• 50:43
  never
• 50:43
  said
• 50:44
  I
• 50:44
  wasn't
• 50:44
  going
• 50:44
  to
• 50:44
  pay
• 50:45
  him,
• 50:45
  you
• 50:45
  know,
• 50:46
  And.
• 50:46
  And
• 50:46
  so
• 50:47
  I
• 50:47
  gave
• 50:47
  him
• 50:47
  a.
• 50:48
  Gave
• 50:48
  him
• 50:48
  the
• 50:48
  money
• 50:48
  and
• 50:48
  gave
• 50:49
  him
• 50:49
  a
• 50:49
  $10
• 50:49
  tip.
• 50:50
  I
• 50:50
  said,
• 50:50
  here,
• 50:50
  man,
• 50:51
  just
• 50:51
  keep
• 50:51
  it,
• 50:52
  you
• 50:52
  know?
• 50:52
  And
• 50:53
  so
• 50:53
  the
• 50:53
  next
• 50:53
  thing
• 50:54
  I
• 50:54
  knew,
• 50:54
  the
• 50:54
  cops,
• 50:55
  you
• 50:55
  know,
• 50:55
  I
• 50:55
  went
• 50:55
  to
• 50:56
  pick
• 50:56
  up
• 50:56
  my
• 50:56
  wallet,
• 50:56
  my
• 50:57
  possessions,
• 50:58
  and
• 50:58
  the
• 50:58
  cops
• 50:58
  says,
• 50:59
  oh,
• 50:59
  you
• 50:59
  got
• 50:59
  to
• 50:59
  go
• 50:59
  downtown
• 51:00
  to
• 51:00
  get
• 51:01
  your
• 51:03
  And
• 51:03
  I
• 51:03
  said,
• 51:03
  wait
• 51:04
  a
• 51:04
  minute.
• 51:04
  I
• 51:04
  said,
• 51:04
  you
• 51:05
  just
• 51:05
  told
• 51:05
  me
• 51:05
  if
• 51:05
  I
• 51:05
  pay
• 51:06
  it,
• 51:06
  we're
• 51:06
  done.
• 51:07
  He
• 51:07
  says,
• 51:07
  yeah,
• 51:08
  but
• 51:08
  you.
• 51:09
  So.
• 51:09
  So
• 51:09
  I
• 51:09
  looked
• 51:10
  at
• 51:10
  him.
• 51:10
  I
• 51:10
  said,
• 51:10
  so
• 51:10
  what
• 51:11
  you're
• 51:11
  telling
• 51:11
  me
• 51:11
  is
• 51:12
  you
• 51:12
  want
• 51:12
  me
• 51:12
  to
• 51:12
  get
• 51:13
  back
• 51:13
  into
• 51:13
  a
• 51:13
  cab
• 51:14
  and
• 51:14
  go
• 51:14
  downtown
• 51:15
  to
• 51:15
  get
• 51:15
  my
• 51:16
  wallet?
• 51:18
  You
• 51:18
  know,
• 51:18
  it's
• 51:19
  like,
• 51:19
  well,
• 51:19
  since
• 51:20
  I
• 51:20
  got
• 51:20
  to
• 51:20
  do
• 51:20
  that,
• 51:20
  can
• 51:20
  I
• 51:21
  have
• 51:21
  your
• 51:21
  name
• 51:21
  and
• 51:21
  your
• 51:22
  badge
• 51:22
  number?
• 51:23
  And
• 51:24
  then.
• 51:24
  And
• 51:24
  then
• 51:24
  he
• 51:25
  peeled
• 51:25
  my
• 51:25
  nose
• 51:25
  back,
• 51:26
  says,
• 51:26
  you're
• 51:26
  high
• 51:26
  on
• 51:27
  cocaine.
• 51:28
  I'm
• 51:29
  busting
• 51:29
  you
• 51:29
  for
• 51:30
  controlled
• 51:31
  substance.
• 51:31
  Yeah.
• 51:32
  And
• 51:33
  so.
• 51:33
  And
• 51:33
  so
• 51:34
  it
• 51:34
  just,
• 51:34
  you
• 51:35
  know,
• 51:35
  so
• 51:36
  it's.
• 51:36
  It
• 51:36
  was
• 51:37
  just
• 51:37
  one
• 51:37
  of
• 51:37
  those
• 51:37
  things
• 51:37
  where,
• 51:38
  I
• 51:38
  mean,
• 51:38
  I
• 51:38
  didn't
• 51:39
  even
• 51:39
  have
• 51:39
  to
• 51:39
  have
• 51:39
  an
• 51:39
  attorney
• 51:40
  to
• 51:40
  get
• 51:40
  out
• 51:40
  of
• 51:40
  that
• 51:41
  one,
• 51:41
  you
• 51:41
  know,
• 51:41
  I
• 51:41
  just.
• 51:42
  I
• 51:42
  got
• 51:42
  out
• 51:43
  of
• 51:43
  that
• 51:43
  one
• 51:43
  myself
• 51:43
  because
• 51:44
  it
• 51:44
  was
• 51:44
  all
• 51:44
  bogus,
• 51:45
  you
• 51:45
  know.
• 51:45
  It
• 51:46
  was
• 51:46
  just
• 51:46
  a
• 51:46
  bogus
• 51:47
  thing.
• 51:47
  And
• 51:48
  as
• 51:48
  a
• 51:48
  result,
• 51:49
  though,
• 51:50
  John
• 51:50
  Cave
• 51:51
  had
• 51:51
  been
• 51:51
  trying
• 51:51
  to
• 51:52
  cancel.
• 51:53
  Cancel
• 51:54
  a
• 51:54
  date
• 51:54
  in
• 51:54
  Aspen,
• 51:55
  Colorado,
• 51:56
  for
• 51:57
  the
• 51:57
  next
• 51:57
  night
• 51:58
  that
• 51:58
  we
• 51:58
  had
• 51:59
  to
• 51:59
  go
• 51:59
  to,
• 52:00
  and
• 52:00
  there
• 52:00
  was
• 52:01
  no
• 52:01
  way
• 52:01
  we
• 52:01
  could
• 52:01
  get
• 52:01
  there
• 52:02
  in
• 52:02
  the
• 52:02
  bus.
• 52:02
  So
• 52:03
  he
• 52:03
  used
• 52:03
  my
• 52:04
  bus
• 52:04
  as
• 52:05
  an
• 52:05
  excuse
• 52:06
  for
• 52:06
  him
• 52:06
  to
• 52:06
  cancel
• 52:07
  that
• 52:07
  page.
• 52:09
  So,
• 52:09
  yeah,
• 52:10
  it
• 52:10
  was
• 52:10
  one
• 52:10
  of
• 52:10
  those
• 52:10
  rock
• 52:10
  and
• 52:11
  roll
• 52:11
  road
• 52:12
  stories,
• 52:12
  the
• 52:12
  horror
• 52:13
  stories,
• 52:13
  you
• 52:13
  know.
• 52:13
  There
• 52:14
  you
• 52:14
  go,
• 52:14
  folks.
• 52:15
  Yeah.
• 52:15
  I
• 52:16
  want
• 52:16
  to
• 52:16
  ask
• 52:16
  you,
• 52:16
  Les,
• 52:17
  what's
• 52:17
  the
• 52:17
  Hell's
• 52:18
  Angels
• 52:18
  home
• 52:19
  like?
• 52:20
  Oh,
• 52:21
  man,
• 52:21
  no,
• 52:21
  Big
• 52:22
  Ron,
• 52:22
  man,
• 52:22
  he
• 52:22
  was
• 52:22
  a
• 52:22
  good
• 52:23
  dude.
• 52:23
  He
• 52:23
  was
• 52:24
  the.
• 52:24
  I
• 52:24
  knew
• 52:25
  him
• 52:25
  from
• 52:25
  the
• 52:25
  Troubadour
• 52:26
  in
• 52:26
  la.
• 52:26
  He
• 52:26
  was
• 52:27
  the
• 52:27
  door
• 52:27
  manager.
• 52:27
  The
• 52:27
  Troubadour.
• 52:28
  Okay.
• 52:29
  You
• 52:29
  know,
• 52:30
  and
• 52:30
  then
• 52:30
  he
• 52:30
  moved
• 52:31
  to
• 52:31
  Vegas,
• 52:31
  and
• 52:31
  he
• 52:31
  had
• 52:31
  a.
• 52:32
  He
• 52:32
  had
• 52:32
  a.
• 52:32
  He
• 52:33
  had
• 52:33
  a
• 52:33
  little.
• 52:34
  I
• 52:35
  don't
• 52:35
  know
• 52:35
  if
• 52:35
  I
• 52:35
  could
• 52:35
  say
• 52:35
  it.
• 52:36
  A
• 52:37
  sort
• 52:37
  of
• 52:38
  a
• 52:38
  burlesque
• 52:38
  bar
• 52:39
  in
• 52:39
  Vegas.
• 52:40
  Yes,
• 52:40
  yes,
• 52:40
  we
• 52:41
  know.
• 52:41
  Okay.
• 52:42
  I'll
• 52:42
  be
• 52:43
  nice
• 52:43
  about
• 52:43
  it.
• 52:44
  An
• 52:44
  adult
• 52:45
  entertainment
• 52:45
  establishment.
• 52:47
  Yeah.
• 52:47
  You
• 52:48
  know,
• 52:48
  a
• 52:48
  real
• 52:48
  nice
• 52:49
  guy
• 52:49
  knew
• 52:49
  Big
• 52:50
  Ron
• 52:50
  from
• 52:50
  the
• 52:50
  Troubadour.
• 52:51
  And
• 52:51
  so,
• 52:52
  you
• 52:52
  know,
• 52:52
  he
• 52:52
  had
• 52:52
  a
• 52:52
  real
• 52:52
  nice
• 52:53
  family,
• 52:53
  real
• 52:53
  nice
• 52:53
  house,
• 52:54
  you
• 52:54
  know,
• 52:54
  and
• 52:54
  we,
• 52:54
  you
• 52:54
  know,
• 52:55
  we
• 52:55
  just
• 52:55
  hung
• 52:55
  out
• 52:55
  and
• 52:56
  had
• 52:56
  a
• 52:56
  couple
• 52:56
  drinks
• 52:57
  and
• 52:57
  he
• 52:57
  also
• 52:58
  worked
• 52:58
  with
• 52:58
  Van
• 52:59
  Halen
• 52:59
  for
• 52:59
  a
• 52:59
  little
• 52:59
  while,
• 53:00
  too,
• 53:00
  as
• 53:00
  a
• 53:00
  tech,
• 53:01
  you
• 53:01
  know,
• 53:01
  so.
• 53:02
  So,
• 53:03
  you
• 53:03
  know,
• 53:03
  he
• 53:03
  was
• 53:03
  a
• 53:03
  good
• 53:04
  dude,
• 53:04
  but
• 53:04
  he
• 53:04
  just
• 53:05
  couldn't.
• 53:05
  He
• 53:05
  couldn't
• 53:05
  take
• 53:06
  me
• 53:06
  back
• 53:06
  to
• 53:06
  the
• 53:06
  hotel,
• 53:06
  so
• 53:07
  he
• 53:07
  put
• 53:07
  me
• 53:07
  in
• 53:07
  a
• 53:07
  cab,
• 53:08
  you
• 53:08
  know,
• 53:09
  and
• 53:09
  it
• 53:09
  turns
• 53:10
  out
• 53:10
  that
• 53:10
  the
• 53:10
  cab
• 53:10
  driver
• 53:11
  was
• 53:11
  a
• 53:11
  total
• 53:12
  schmuck.
• 53:12
  Yeah.
• 53:13
  Psycho.
• 53:14
  Yeah.
• 53:15
  We
• 53:16
  got
• 53:16
  a
• 53:16
  couple
• 53:16
  of
• 53:16
  minutes
• 53:17
  left,
• 53:17
  Les.
• 53:18
  What
• 53:18
  are
• 53:18
  you
• 53:19
  working
• 53:19
  on
• 53:19
  now?
• 53:19
  Anything.
• 53:20
  Let
• 53:21
  me.
• 53:21
  First
• 53:21
  of
• 53:21
  all,
• 53:22
  let
• 53:22
  me
• 53:22
  give
• 53:22
  a
• 53:22
  shout
• 53:23
  out
• 53:23
  to
• 53:23
  my
• 53:23
  cousin
• 53:24
  there
• 53:25
  on
• 53:25
  Long
• 53:25
  Island.
• 53:27
  Hi,
• 53:27
  Joanne.
• 53:29
  Hi,
• 53:29
  Bob
• 53:30
  the
• 53:30
  Bishop.
• 53:30
  Bob,
• 53:30
  I
• 53:31
  gotta
• 53:31
  say
• 53:31
  hi
• 53:31
  to
• 53:31
  my.
• 53:32
  My
• 53:32
  cousin's
• 53:32
  there
• 53:32
  on
• 53:33
  Long
• 53:33
  Island.
• 53:34
  What
• 53:34
  town
• 53:34
  are
• 53:34
  they
• 53:34
  in,
• 53:35
  Les?
• 53:35
  Do
• 53:35
  you
• 53:35
  know?
• 53:36
  Yeah,
• 53:36
  they're
• 53:36
  in
• 53:37
  West
• 53:37
  Iceland.
• 53:38
  Oh,
• 53:39
  I
• 53:39
  can
• 53:40
  throw
• 53:40
  a
• 53:40
  rock
• 53:40
  into
• 53:40
  West
• 53:41
  Island.
• 53:41
  Yeah,
• 53:42
  exactly.
• 53:43
  So
• 53:43
  if
• 53:44
  I
• 53:44
  didn't
• 53:44
  say
• 53:44
  hi,
• 53:45
  they'd
• 53:45
  throw
• 53:45
  long
• 53:46
  darts
• 53:46
  at
• 53:46
  me.
• 53:46
  You
• 53:46
  know
• 53:47
  what
• 53:47
  I'm
• 53:47
  saying?
• 53:47
  Yeah.
• 53:48
  Okay.
• 53:50
  So.
• 53:50
  Hi,
• 53:51
  kids.
• 53:51
  I
• 53:52
  hope
• 53:52
  you're
• 53:52
  having
• 53:52
  a
• 53:52
  good
• 53:53
  night
• 53:53
  listening
• 53:53
  to
• 53:53
  me
• 53:53
  on
• 53:53
  the
• 53:54
  radio
• 53:54
  over
• 53:54
  there.
• 53:56
  Yeah.
• 53:57
  Oh,
• 53:58
  that's
• 53:58
  great.
• 53:59
  Well,
• 53:59
  you
• 54:00
  know,
• 54:00
  I'm,
• 54:00
  you
• 54:01
  know,
• 54:01
  usually
• 54:01
  in
• 54:01
  the
• 54:02
  summertime,
• 54:02
  I,
• 54:03
  you
• 54:03
  know,
• 54:03
  I'm
• 54:04
  down
• 54:04
  in
• 54:04
  Florida,
• 54:04
  so
• 54:05
  I
• 54:05
  like
• 54:05
  to
• 54:05
  get
• 54:05
  up
• 54:05
  there
• 54:06
  up
• 54:06
  north
• 54:07
  in
• 54:07
  the
• 54:07
  summer
• 54:07
  to
• 54:07
  get
• 54:07
  out
• 54:08
  of
• 54:08
  the
• 54:08
  heat,
• 54:08
  you
• 54:09
  know,
• 54:09
  And
• 54:09
  I
• 54:09
  usually,
• 54:10
  you
• 54:10
  know,
• 54:10
  play
• 54:10
  all
• 54:10
  around
• 54:11
  Upper
• 54:11
  State
• 54:11
  New
• 54:12
  York.
• 54:12
  Sometimes
• 54:12
  I
• 54:12
  go
• 54:13
  into
• 54:13
  the
• 54:13
  city,
• 54:14
  sometimes
• 54:14
  I
• 54:14
  go
• 54:15
  into
• 54:15
  Long
• 54:15
  island
• 54:16
  and
• 54:16
  Pennsylvania.
• 54:17
  Well,
• 54:18
  we'll
• 54:19
  look
• 54:19
  for
• 54:19
  you
• 54:19
  next
• 54:19
  summer.
• 54:20
  You
• 54:20
  know,
• 54:21
  we
• 54:21
  got
• 54:21
  some
• 54:21
  great
• 54:21
  beaches
• 54:22
  out
• 54:22
  here.
• 54:24
  That's
• 54:24
  what
• 54:24
  I,
• 54:25
  you
• 54:25
  know,
• 54:25
  like
• 54:25
  Coney
• 54:26
  Island.
• 54:26
  Come
• 54:26
  on,
• 54:26
  man.
• 54:27
  I
• 54:27
  remember.
• 54:27
  I
• 54:28
  remember
• 54:29
  when
• 54:30
  I
• 54:30
  was
• 54:30
  five
• 54:30
  years
• 54:30
  old,
• 54:31
  I
• 54:31
  remember
• 54:31
  doing
• 54:32
  the.
• 54:33
  What
• 54:34
  was
• 54:34
  the
• 54:34
  big
• 54:35
  Cyclone?
• 54:36
  What
• 54:37
  was
• 54:37
  the.
• 54:37
  Oh,
• 54:38
  God.
• 54:39
  I
• 54:39
  got
• 54:39
  a
• 54:39
  picture
• 54:40
  on
• 54:40
  my
• 54:40
  refrigerator
• 54:41
  coming
• 54:42
  down
• 54:42
  on
• 54:42
  the
• 54:42
  slides
• 54:43
  of
• 54:43
  the
• 54:43
  people
• 54:43
  chase.
• 54:44
  The
• 54:45
  people
• 54:45
  chase
• 54:45
  the
• 54:45
  Cyclone.
• 54:46
  They're
• 54:46
  all
• 54:47
  out
• 54:47
  there.
• 54:47
  Yeah.
• 54:48
  Oh,
• 54:48
  yeah,
• 54:48
  man.
• 54:48
  I
• 54:49
  rode
• 54:49
  the
• 54:49
  Cyclone.
• 54:49
  All
• 54:50
  that.
• 54:50
  In
• 54:51
  fact,
• 54:51
  when
• 54:51
  my
• 54:51
  mom
• 54:52
  passed
• 54:52
  away,
• 54:54
  I
• 54:54
  had
• 54:54
  to
• 54:55
  put
• 54:55
  some
• 54:55
  of
• 54:55
  her
• 54:56
  ashes
• 54:56
  off
• 54:56
  the
• 54:56
  pier
• 54:57
  there
• 54:57
  in
• 54:58
  Coney
• 54:58
  island
• 54:58
  because,
• 54:59
  you
• 54:59
  know,
• 54:59
  just
• 54:59
  because,
• 55:00
  you
• 55:00
  know,
• 55:00
  for
• 55:00
  the
• 55:01
  bombs,
• 55:01
  you
• 55:01
  know.
• 55:01
  Well,
• 55:02
  let
• 55:02
  me
• 55:02
  know
• 55:02
  when
• 55:02
  you're
• 55:02
  going
• 55:02
  to
• 55:03
  be
• 55:03
  around.
• 55:03
  We'll
• 55:03
  go
• 55:03
  to
• 55:03
  Nathan's,
• 55:04
  eat
• 55:05
  about
• 55:05
  40
• 55:05
  hot
• 55:05
  dogs.
• 55:07
  I
• 55:07
  did
• 55:07
  that.
• 55:07
  I
• 55:08
  did
• 55:08
  that.
• 55:08
  That's
• 55:09
  a
• 55:09
  good
• 55:09
  spot
• 55:09
  for
• 55:09
  hot
• 55:10
  dogs.
• 55:10
  That
• 55:10
  is.
• 55:10
  That
• 55:11
  is.
• 55:11
  Well,
• 55:11
  Les,
• 55:12
  I
• 55:12
  tell
• 55:12
  you,
• 55:12
  it's
• 55:13
  been
• 55:13
  a
• 55:13
  panic.
• 55:14
  One
• 55:15
  thing
• 55:15
  led
• 55:15
  to
• 55:15
  another,
• 55:16
  and
• 55:16
  we
• 55:16
  had
• 55:16
  a
• 55:17
  great
• 55:17
  time.
• 55:17
  I
• 55:17
  thank
• 55:18
  you
• 55:18
  for
• 55:18
  taking
• 55:18
  time
• 55:18
  out
• 55:19
  of
• 55:19
  your
• 55:19
  Sunday
• 55:19
  night
• 55:20
  to
• 55:20
  spend
• 55:20
  some
• 55:21
  of
• 55:21
  it
• 55:21
  with
• 55:21
  us
• 55:21
  out
• 55:22
  here
• 55:22
  on
• 55:22
  Long
• 55:22
  Island.
• 55:23
  I
• 55:23
  wish
• 55:23
  you
• 55:24
  all
• 55:24
  the
• 55:24
  best,
• 55:25
  and
• 55:25
  we'll
• 55:26
  have
• 55:26
  you
• 55:26
  on
• 55:27
  again,
• 55:27
  if
• 55:27
  that's
• 55:27
  okay.
• 55:29
  Absolutely.
• 55:29
  We
• 55:30
  enjoyed
• 55:30
  it
• 55:30
  thoroughly,
• 55:31
  man.
• 55:31
  Anytime.
• 55:32
  That's
• 55:32
  it.
• 55:32
  That's
• 55:33
  Les
• 55:33
  Dudank,
• 55:33
  ladies
• 55:34
  and
• 55:34
  gentlemen.
• 55:34
  That
• 55:35
  will
• 55:35
  do
• 55:35
  it
• 55:35
  for
• 55:35
  me
• 55:35
  tonight
• 55:36
  on
• 55:36
  Sports
• 55:36
  Talk
• 55:37
  New
• 55:37
  York.
• 55:37
  I'd
• 55:38
  like
• 55:38
  to
• 55:38
  thank
• 55:38
  my
• 55:38
  guest,
• 55:39
  Kiki
• 55:39
  Vandaway,
• 55:40
  and
• 55:40
  the
• 55:41
  great
• 55:41
  Les
• 55:41
  Dudek,
• 55:42
  my
• 55:42
  engineer,
• 55:43
  Brian
• 55:43
  Graves,
• 55:44
  and,
• 55:44
  of
• 55:44
  course,
• 55:45
  you
• 55:45
  guys
• 55:45
  for
• 55:45
  joining
• 55:46
  us.
• 55:46
  I'll
• 55:47
  see
• 55:47
  you
• 55:47
  next
• 55:47
  week
• 55:48
  on
• 55:48
  no
• 55:49
  Hell,
• 55:49
  we
• 55:49
  won't
• 55:49
  be
• 55:50
  back
• 55:50
  till
• 55:50
  March
• 55:50
  23rd.
• 55:51
  Mark
• 55:51
  that
• 55:52
  on
• 55:52
  your
• 55:52
  calendars,
• 55:52
  folks.
• 55:53
  March
• 55:53
  23rd,
• 55:54
  more
• 55:54
  great
• 55:54
  sports
• 55:55
  talks.
• 55:55
  Till
• 55:56
  then,
• 55:56
  Bill
• 55:56
  Donahue,
• 55:57
  be
• 55:58
  safe,
• 55:58
  be
• 55:58
  well.
• 55:59
  Good
• 55:59
  evening,
• 55:59
  folks.