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JFK Assassination - Ep. 261 - Jack S. Martin · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Crazy Clay Take five is an energy six. Yes, the gable Jason Ron
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stream Razed Crazy to the Sea, Flasy you and here we go is write,
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folks, what's up? And Welcome to the Lone Gum And Podcast video
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version episode number two hundred and sixty one. I figured this was not going
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to go off without a hitch, so sorry for arts. We're still learning
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how all this works. So hopefully we're streaming live. I can't see a
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preview right now, so live it looks like the uh, the chats are
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lighting up. It says, uh, you are live. Let's go,
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fellas. What's up? Doug? I see you in there, Big Mike
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Swanson, Hey Mike, Big Mike, Mister Doug. Yep, the boy,
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the Boy always they're here. So here's the deal, folks, Welcome
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to the new formatted cast, and I wanted to welcome you all to the
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show. We will get better at this, I promise, I promise.
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This is still all new to us. We're going to be doing a lot
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of Martin's related shows, which is what we did at Lancer our presentation on
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this year. Tonight, we'll be focusing on Jack s Martin. But before
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we get to Jack, s. Martin. There's another big change to the
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show that I want to inform everybody about. And you probably heard am I
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already talking, but that is my co host moving forward for the Lone Gum
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And Podcast, mister Joe Borelli. So everybody, welcome Joe Brailely to the
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Lone Gum And Podcast. What's up, Joe, Hey, what's up?
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Guys? Am I allowed to clamp for myself? Yes, no, I
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am happy to be on the Lone Government Podcast. Rob and I have put
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in over a year of work into this Martin Show project, and this live
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series will be really new and refreshing info. And I just want to introduce
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myself for a minute. I did it Lancer, So if you were not
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at Lancer or you were not viewing virtually, I'll give you a quick,
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little thirty second summary. My background is in finance. I currently work for
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a financial tech firm where I do data and patterned analysis. And I noticed
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the pattern of Jay first name Jay in some cases middle initial Jay Martin showing
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up many times in the assassination story. And when Rob and I started seriously
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searching this anomaly, we were stunned what we came upon, which was over
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thirty j plus martins which spanned decades and a lot of them are associated with
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our favorite agency, and I am fresh back from Lancer. We had a
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great time. The presentation was had a lot of good reviews and feedback,
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and hopefully you will view it soon. It is currently in a place where
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we'll tell you about shortly. That's right, So moving forward, you know,
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it's all about content creation nowadays. We spend a lot of time and
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energy researching into this stuff to bring you fresh, new and exciting content.
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And it's no different than somebody that writes a book that tries to sell you
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a book, or makes a documentary wants to sell you a docentary. You
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know, we wanted to bring this show to YouTube as a video deal because
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we feel there's a big void to fill nowadays in this arena of legitimate research
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into the Kennedy assassination. There's a lot of people who like to put up
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a lot of clickbait and and they want to, you know, put a
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bunch of crap out there to muddy the waters. But this is going to
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be something for serious researchers. So we've created a community over on locals dot
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com where you can support the show and get a lot of great content.
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And all of the files that we're going to be talking about here this evening
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will be available over on our Locals channel. The link is in the description,
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So if you join up over there, you'll have access to our video
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answer presentation immediately. You'll have access to every Jackass Martin file well you collected
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over the past year and a half, and you will do we put up
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something else over there. I can't remember the intro, but there's a lot
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more to come, Yes, much more to come. We're going to be
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adding files to the relevant shows that we do on here, kind of piecemeal,
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just so everybody can kind of keep control of things and it doesn't get
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too out of hand. But I said, the files will be downloadable for
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our members over there on Locals, so make sure you check it out and
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help support the show. So, like I said, I've been working with
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Joe for god year and a half now. Before that, he was just
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a listener to the show. We would email talk and things like that.
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But he's very knowledgeable and he's got a great mind, and I think you're
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going to really enjoy Joe's presence on the show and our and our back and
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forth ability moving forward to bust each other's balls a little bit here and there
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and make the show entertaining, of course. So Joe, if you will
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everybody know, because you just got back from Lancer, and I know you
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had a great time. I know we presented there. I wish I could
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have been there, but unfortunately not this year. So just let everybody know
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your thoughts and how you think that Lancer went for us and yourself. Well,
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Lancer was an amazing experience, and this was my first foray into anything
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regarding that she has community or whatsoever. And the love I was shown there
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by different researchers, and the feedback we got from the people that put on
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the conference, and even mister Larry Hancock was very quote mind blown on some
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of the documents I showed him, and we had an hour long conversation almost
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on Sunday morning, and it was probably the highlight of the weekend for me,
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him being one of my favorite authors. And it was great meeting Doug
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Campbell. Of course, we had exchanged a lot of emails on the kids,
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and that's how actually the Martin story starts arted with a long, like
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five paragraph email on James Herbert Martin, and it kind of started out as
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a joke, funny enough, and we were like, oh, we found
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another one. Oh we found another one. Oh we found another Martin.
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And then when we got like past like fifteen or twenty, you'd be like,
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oh, you might have something here, and we indeed do. So
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let me share something from our Lancer. Got just two pictures from Lancer.
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And on the left is me playing Abraham's appruder with my assistant Monica whereas him
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and as the daughter of Marita Lorenz holding me up because I was a very
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accident prone. If you don't know me, so I I'm kneeling. I'm
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trying to get the best shot I know, you know. And on the
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right, we we got those people you know who that clan you ain't supposed
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to fuck with, you know what I mean, And that is Philip Vtal
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Doug Scaramucci on the left and Roy Joe Hargraves on the right. And if
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you look at the picture of the dark complected and I'm rollman, Ah,
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I have to say, we have some pretty good form there and that was
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really fun. And this is me and Larry talking and one of the like
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I said, highlights of of of my weekend, you know, him being
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one of my favorite authors by far. And on the right we I put
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a little long gunnment business card on the pick of fence and it's kind of
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funny that he ov you are about to kill JFK. On the left,
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and of course that's not It might be still there maybe someone maybe somebody probably,
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But although we laugh at that comment, it's obviously the sixtieth anniversary.
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Usually anniversaries are happy occasions. In this case, it is not a happy
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occasion. It is a very sad day in American history. And in my
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opinion, I started to h derail our democracy when when you had a guy
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that was going, you know, trying to make peace with with the Soviet
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Union and Cuba and got his head blown off for it in the middle of
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the day, in the middle of a major American city, and you know,
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everyone knows the rest and the cover up, and it's sad. But
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we are looking forward to moving this case forward. We have a lot of
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brand new research. We've dug very deep into many subjects we think that we're
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not focused on as they should have been. And we'll tease you a little
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bit and we all have to wait for those, but we have a lot
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of great stuff coming for you, and we're happy that you're joining us,
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and even if you're watching later, we appreciate it and we hope you stay
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with us for the whole Martin series. That's right, Joe, And yeah,
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our stream is filling up. It's good. What's up Uncle Dave from
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Beautiful Phoenix, Arizona or New Mexico. I can't ever remember which one.
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Alpha sixty six is in Dallas watching what's up? Tiny Dancer? I see
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you, Grunge Truck. He's the drunk guy. And thank you guys for
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showing up for the stream. Now for what you've been waiting for, We're
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going to get into jack S s Martin a little bit first, so you
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know, when it comes to the Martins, we've had thirty we found thirty
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Jay Martin's related to the assassination, and we just recently found a couple more.
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I think we're up to thirty two now, Okay, so we've got
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a lot of them to talk about, and jack S was of course the
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first one that we want to focus on. But Joe, if you could
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bring up the list exactly what we're talking about here, So there he is
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at the top of the list. Jack S. Martin, We're going to
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be doing him tonight. He also had the aliases of Colonel Jack Martin,
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John J. Martin, and Bishop John J. Martin as well. Joe,
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I guess we can just ping pong back and forth on the rest of
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these if you want to do that, sure, Bert, I'll just do
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the highlighted ones. There was a John C. Martin who was the head
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of security at the International Trademark obviously owned by Clay Shaw. John Martin Junior,
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who was a postal worker who filmed Daily Plaza Film also worked with Harry
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Holmes. And speaking of Martin's who took films, we have John T.
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Martin, who we went in depth in our Lancer presentation. He was a
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Minnesota student who filmed both Walker's House and the fracas involving Lee, Harvey Oswald
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and Color Springier. But preassassination. Yes. The next up we have Johnny
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or Juan Martin, who was involved with the Serita Odio, Sylvia Odio's sister,
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and that's a PG thirteen word involved. He hid it. He was
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banging, Yes, Srita, Sweet Srita. He was a gun runner.
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He offered her arms for anti Castro group Jere and he was also involved in
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uh, well, not involved, but there's there's there's some kind of cross
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contamination with Warren Caster uh and possibly Genio Martinez with this Johnny Martin guy Juan
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Martin. But we'll get there, I promise. UH. And then we
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got John Martin, which is the French word for John Martin, uh,
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the New Orleans alias of Pierre lafitte Z c I a spy from coop in
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Dallas from his book. And then we got John Martin Thorne, who was
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Marina's lawyer during her Warren Commission testimony and she was introduced or he was introduced
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to Marina by her quote business manager James Herbert Martin, who's another one that
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we'll get to here in a minute, yes, sir. And next up
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we have James Wilford, commonly known as Jim Martin, who was Ruby's lawyer
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and the only survivor of the meeting at Ruby's apartment on Sunday night in November
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twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three. The other members of that meeting met unfortunate
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demises pretty close after that meeting. Within a couple of years. And of
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course you have James Herbert Martin, Greena's business manager and quote agent, and
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he will be the subject. He was a subject of one of our subjects
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of the Lancer Commerce presentation. We focused on three of them. He was
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one of them, and he has a fascinating story and that story will blow
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your mind. I can guarantee you that that's right. Next up, we
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got Jack Martin, who was a secret service suspect who was being avidly searched
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for. On November the twenty second, nineteen sixty three, they sent John
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Rice out of New Orleans, a secret Service agent, to try and track
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this guy down, and he did. But the interesting thing about that is
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they were looking for this guy before Oswald was even arrested. They're looking for
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a Jack Martin in Louisiana. Kind of interesting. Which brings us to Joseph
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James Martin, who was a CI agent from nineteen fifty to fifty eight,
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and he was an intelligence assistant in the Transportation Branch Services division of the CIA.
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And we'll get more into him a little bit in this presentation because he
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is sometimes confused with Jack Martin of the CIA. Yes, and Jolly Joe
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Martin will be the topic of a segment we will get into later. He
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was on the radio in Omaha and shielded Thomas Beckham from extradition to Louisiana and
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was later condemned by the CIA. And next we have Roland Jay Martin,
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who was the owner of Martin's Cafe in New Orleans. I wouldn't you know
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it that Oswalt cashed at least nine checks from the Riley Coffee Company at Martin's
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Cafe, and Roland Jay Martin endorsed nine of those checks, with a couple
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other people endorsing a couple others. But very interesting coincidence. And there's gonna
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be a lot of coincidences in this story, yes, which brings us to
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Lewis J. Martin, the alias of Lewis McWillie, who is a close
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friend to Jack Ruby, a gun runner and traffic conte and mob associate.
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And then that also brings us to John Martin no John Martin no John Martine,
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former Castro prisoner, mobster, electronics expert, an alleged bag man for
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THEFK assassination according to some dubious sources. And we have many, many more
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that we're going to get into. But those are going to be a surprise.
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So now without further ado, Joe, well let's talk about Jack sm
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So bring up that graphic and let's take a look, good look at this
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dude, because we found some pictures of him, and a lot of people
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have seen certain pictures of him in Garrison's office, but the earlier photos of
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this guy are very intriguing as well. He looks like a totally different person
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than he did in the in the mid sixties. Just tells you what,
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you know, a hard life of drinking and God knows what else will do
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to you. So, like I said in the upper left corner, that's
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what everybody see or things of when they see Jack as Martin. But these
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other photos are him from the forties and fifties, so you know he was
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a kind of suave debonair before and you see what the hard life, what
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ten years a hard drinking will do to you. Now, Jack Martin,
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according to according to the CIA, was born in nineteen fifteen, and according
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to the FBI, he was born in nineteen twenty and according to somebody else,
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he was born in nineteen twenty one. So we don't actually know really
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when this guy was born. But it was somewhere around that era. And
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we found a Journal Herald article from Dayton, Ohio, dated December one,
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nineteen forty three, and it was kind of a piece about Jack Martin.
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He had served three years in the Air Force. This guy saw action at
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Pearl Harbor and Midway Island. He was discharged on a medical discharge November seventeenth,
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nineteen forty three, from a head injury that he sustained in a plane
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crash in Hawaii. Now, if you're going to crash your plane anywhere,
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Hawaii sounds like a pretty damn places do it. He was a radio operator
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and a B seventeen waistgunner. The crash was in March of nineteen forty three,
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and he made He stayed in eight hospitals throughout that year, including it
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happened to be called Kennedy General Hospital. So that's interesting. And then we
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move up into the fifties when this guy turns into a kind of a grifter,
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a drifter. In nineteen fifty two, he's wanted for murder in Houston.
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I was dismissed. He was acquitted probably from an abortion, an illegal
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back alley abortion. Nineteen fifty four, he's arrested for vacancy drunk in Galveston,
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and from fifty six to fifty eight he spent some time in the psych
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ward at a hospital in New Orleans for a quote character disorder or a really
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bad trip on LSD, however you want to look at that, and then
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again rested in nineteen sixty for impersonating a federal officer. Now, Jack Martin
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is notorious, at least according to Thomas Beckham, for alleging to be a
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CIA agent. Right, so when we came across some things looking into Jack
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Martin, there's only so much out there on this guy, and one of
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the foremost experts is Joan Mellon. So we went back and we looked at
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her book At a Farewell to Justice, and there's actually, excuse me,
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a chapter at the end of her Garrison biography that's about six pages long and
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it's dedicated to Jack Martin as well. But some of the things that Joan
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Martin put forth about Jack Martin we found to be quite not true. Okay,
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there's absolutely nothing out there officially from the CIA that puts this guy as
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an official CIA asset or agent or whatever you want to call it. It
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just doesn't exist. Now, the body named Joseph James Martin, who worked,
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as we mentioned at the top of the show from fifty to fifty eight
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at the CIA, and the CIA in nineteen sixty seven were questioning themselves whether
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or not this is the same guy. You know, they were thinking,
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well, this guy's out here saying he works for the CIA. Who is
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this guy? Could he possibly beat this guy, Joseph James Martin. So
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they thoroughly looked into it, they really did, and they prepared a four
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page report about it, citing over fourteen points of contention. But in the
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end they determined that they were not the same individual, other than both being
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drunks and having a pretty sweet pencil thin mustache much like Joe's. Yeah,
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now, when we're talking about Jack Martin, everybody thinks, okay, everybody
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thinks, all right, this is the guy that was pistol whip by Guy
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Banister. Everybody thinks about the movie JFK that scene. You know, what
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was the truth behind that? What did Jack Martin say about that incident?
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Well we'll get there, I promise, And everybody thinks that it was Jack
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Martin that dropped a diamond. David Ferry and kind of set him up and
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said, and you know, put the FBI onto David Ferry, and this,
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that and the other, which is true, but it wasn't violuntary.
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And what I mean by that is it wasn't Jack Martin purposefully going into the
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police department and saying, hey, you need to check out this guy,
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David Ferry. Somebody dropped the dime on Jack Martin on eleven, twenty three,
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sixty three. This is the day after the assassination. And I'm reading
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from an FBI document here which you can get over all the locals at about
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seven forty five pm this date, mister W. Hardy Davis of thirty forty
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four Louisiana Parkway. That's the same street David Ferry lived on, by the
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way called r rifle used by Oswald. In captioned matter, David stated that
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agents should contact a mister Jack S. Martin Senior, who lives on North
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Prior Street in New Orleans, Louisiana. David said that Martin can give information
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regarding a mister David Ferry. Ferry, according to Davis, was in the
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Civil Air Patrol with Oswalt is a disbarred airline pilot speaks Spanish, is a
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gun collector and a fanatic like Oswald. Ferry maybe the man who obtained the
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rifle for Oswalt. So it was this guy W. Hardy Davis who contacted
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the FBI the day after the assassination and told him that they needed to talk
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to Jack Martin about David Ferry, so that it's very interesting now. On
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the twenty seventh November, the FBI interviewed W. Hardy Davis a little bit
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more in depth and they started getting into whether or not Oswald was in Fairies
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Civil Air Patrol unit, which they determined that he was. They figured that
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they were talking about a library card, so that's where that comes from.
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From Hardy Davis. The Ferry had Oswald's library card, and then they talked
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to A. Roy McCoy that two who he had photographs in his possession from
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the Civil Air Patrol and that David Ferry and Oswald were both in the picture.
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Occoy said, to the best of his recollection, Oswald never attended any
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Civil Air Patrol meeting at the New Orleans Airport, nor did he ever meet
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Oswald, but he did have a photo from the months Civil Air Patrol Airport
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photo and then in January sixty six, a witness, Miss Shirley Basil,
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who worked part time for Guy Banister from nineteen sixty to sixty one, stated
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that she knows Jack Martin as far as she knows, his reputation was unsavory.
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She will be willing to come to the office and give any information desires.
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She's very cooperative. Also, an investigator named Joseph Newborough worked for Banister
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with Martin. Newborough spent five years in a federal pen for embezzlement. So
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all these shisty guys hanging around Walker well, yes, Yes. In nineteen
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sixty six for Jim Garrison, Jack Martin provided a written statement. It says,
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in the late summer of sixty three, I was sitting in the office
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of Guy Banister Private Detective one Lafayette Street, located in the rear of Mancuso's
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David Ferry walked in wearing an army type fatigue suit in sunglasses. Also with
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him were three or four young men in their twenties dressed in sports shirts.
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One of them was Morse Brownly, another was a man they referred to as
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Lee. After the assassination, I recognized Lee Harvey Oswald as one of the
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men who had walked in with Ferry and Brownly all of them went in to
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see Banister, and the door was then a shut, so I wouldn't know
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what to talked about. My reason for being at the office was to use
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Banister's typewriter, which I frequently did. These people before seeing Banisters sat around
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in the waiting room fifteen or twenty minutes, occasionally picking up magazines to look
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at. I looked at them frequently because I thought this was a rather odd
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assortment of people. The above statement is true and correct to the best of
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my knowledge, and is made of my own free will. This statement was
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given to Da Jim Garrison in the presence of Lou Ivon and typed by Lou
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Ivan on December twenty twenty six, nineteen sixty six. So that's from Jack
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Martin. And then, of course we get to the incident, Joe,
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the big famous incident. Pistol whipping bye bye pop right like you threatened to
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do to me earlier. Today, I used more than a pistol. But
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that's a people down here. We call that a molly wopping, all right.
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I don't know what that is, but I'm not sure I want not
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feel free to google, all right, So that brings us to Jack Martin's
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HSCA testimony given in nineteen seventy seven. So we know what he looked like
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in sixty six. He looked pretty rough. I can only imagine what this
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dude looked like in nineteen seventy seven when investigators Robert Burris and LJ. Delsa
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tracked him down in New Orleans. Okay, he was living in a hotel
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at the time, in December. It was December fifth, nineteen seventy sevenven
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and his hotel was located at six two eight Saint Charles Avenue in New Orleans.
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Mister Martin then brought us to the pair of Dice Baray, located at
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Decatur and Bent in Benville Street in New Orleans. Martin stated, and we
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later confirmed that William Littleworst Dalzel was now working part time there. And just
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in a side, William Dalzel figures in with another Martin that will get too
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much later, So put that feather in your hat because we'll get there.
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And he's also another alleged CIA asset, this William Dalzel character. And it's
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just interesting in the late seventies that they're still hanging out together Jack Martin and
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William Dalzell, so the investigators in Jack Martin went to the Holiday Inn located
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at the one hundred block of Royal Street and conducted an interview. He says
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that he served in World War Two in the Air Corps. Served in the
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Pacific where he did a lot of radio work, including military intelligence works on
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ships out of Pearl Harbor, including He said he was near Pearl Harbor on
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December seventh, nineteen forty one, when the Japanese attacked. He received an
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honorable discharge and his very anti communist. He told the investigators about a letter
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from retired General Claire Chaneau, which the investigators later read, where he asked
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Martin to help him in a group of other Americans that would work for General
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Shang kashek they would use World War two fighters and capture ships going to mainland
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China and forced them to port for Mosa. Martin stated that the plan fell
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through for lack of finances. Shocker Martin stated he has worked as an investigator
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or furnished info to the following people in the New Orleans area. Mayor of
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Victor Schiro W Guy Banister, Aaron Cohne of the Metropolitan Crime Commission, Jim
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Garrison g Ray Gill Martin stated that he'd been closely associated with people that the
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Select Committee might be interested in, such as David Ferry, which we all
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know. Jack Martin felt that the gun Oswald used might have belonged to Ferry,
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or he Oswald might have purchased the rifle from the same place that Ferry
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hit. Martin stated the Ferry was very close to many Cubans and often wore
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Army fatigues allegedly trained with the Cubans. Ferry helped Sergeiold Kasha Smith and made
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flights over Cuba, dropping supplies and possibly a bombing run. Some of the
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supplies that were dropped in Cuba came from the efforts of William Dalzel, who
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helped Smith, Sergery Alkasha get medical supplies when they were in the Balter Building
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in the four hundred block of Camp Street. Jack Martin said that since he
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made that first phone call in nineteen sixty three, that he has been a
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branded man. Where do you think he got branded? Joe Little Virginia.
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But but but did David Ferry do that on his body? Probably probably on
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the same day of the phone call. He was drinking in the Cats and
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Jammer bar with the guy Banister, and they got into a heated argument.
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This is coming from Jack Martin's mouth, so horses mouth stuff here, not
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from the secretary, not from a police report, not from bank. Sure,
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this is from Martin. They went back to Banister's office and in the
37:07
heat of the argument, Guy Banister said something and Martin replied, what are
37:13
you gonna do? Kill me like you all did Kennedy. And at that
37:15
point Banister drew his three P fifty seven magnum and beat Martin in the head,
37:21
which required medical attention, but not ceo us. When Martin was on
37:25
the ground, he says Banister pointed the gun at his head and he believes
37:30
Banister would have killed him, but one of the secretaries, possibly Delphine Roberts,
37:37
told Banister not to shoot him. A police report was made and Banister
37:40
paid all of the medical bills and Martin dropped the charges, so you know.
37:51
And it goes on for a lot of more pages, but interesting stuff
37:59
with Jack ass Martin and for sure and one of the most colorful Jay Martin's
38:05
in the whole arena of our j Martin universe for sure. Yes, and
38:12
of course he is a j. Martin, but his real name was Edward
38:16
Suggs. But he had four Martin aliases and was an all type of screwy
38:28
in Kentucky with fake bishops and Christopher Maria Stanley and nineteen sixty seven, nineteen
38:39
sixty eight ish and and then get there was no love loss between David Ferry
38:46
and Jack Martin or Suggs at all. They did not like each other.
38:53
And they, you know, like Rob said, Jack dropped a dime on
39:01
uh or Edward dropped the dime on Ferry as soon as he was questioned,
39:07
and it was, you know, there was they were. They hated each
39:15
other for whatever reason. Yes, they were not fans of each other whatsoever.
39:24
And when it comes to you know, other Martins, there's not a
39:28
lot of Martin's. Well, actually, I take that back. When it
39:31
comes to Dallas and New Orleans, there's about an equal amount of Martin's.
39:35
Jay Martins is in each in each spot, and there's multiple Jack Martin's,
39:40
there's multiple John Martins, there's multiple multiple James Martin's with different initials here there,
39:46
and uh, it's all very interesting stuff. But Jack Martin is by
39:52
far the very colorful figure. Reading from the comments here, he usually feels
40:00
sorry for Jack Martin, and I get that. You know, he's kind
40:05
of like a bumbling idiot, a lovable bumbling drunk idiot. But he's associating
40:12
himself with a lot of these seedier types in New Orleans that come come across
40:17
as con men and people who would do anything for a buck, whether it
40:24
means selling you a diploma, making you a doctor, giving you most documents,
40:31
becoming a bishop. You know, we didn't even really get into his
40:37
fake bishop bishop nests and you know what all that means. And that's a
40:43
whole nother rabbit hole, right Joe, Yes, sir, and Ferry was
40:49
trying to get ordeemed as a bishop as well because of his proclivity Is was
40:59
denying, and maybe maybe that was the start of their their rivalry, if
41:12
you will, Yeah, most definitely. You know, some man, the
41:19
other crazy stuff that that that Martin told either the Garrison or the FBI.
41:25
He said that Ferry had possibly hypnotized Oswald to kill JFK because I guess,
41:32
you know, to each other, and he knew that Ferry was into hypnotism
41:37
and stuff, so he told him that. He also said Oswald was possibly
41:45
one of Ferry's kids, right crimes against nature and all that stuff. He
41:51
put forth the assertation that they were possibly involved with each other. Hardy Davis
41:59
told and that Ferry had left for Texas on November twenty second. He was
42:07
well deviate, expelled from the church. I believe you know. He was
42:10
telling Garrison in the FBI that and he felt that Ferry was involved in the
42:15
plot against JFK and things didn't really end well for Jack Martin. I'm not
42:23
sure exactly when he died. We weren't able to nail that down, but
42:30
my guess is it wouldn't have been too much longer past the HSCA, just
42:37
from his lifestyle and he was looking back then. Yeah. If you look
42:45
at that last picture, well, in the graphic that we had shown previously
42:51
in the top left corner which was him testifying or talking to Garrison and the
42:57
other pictures, he looked like he's you know, I'm a couple of minutes
43:02
away from dropping dead in an airport. Yeah, and what's up, Colonel
43:14
Reb You are our first super chat. Thank you very much. We appreciate
43:19
it. Man. I'll tell you what this whole thing has been stressful as
43:24
hell trying to figure all this health. Yes, but we finally did it,
43:32
and I promised we're only going to get better at this. You know,
43:37
we don't want to do marathon shows on this stuff. We want to
43:40
keep it, you know, somewhere around thirty minutes to an hour tops.
43:46
You know where I think we're at forty five minutes now we cover Jack Martin.
43:53
Good, So pay attention. We're going to set this up again for
44:00
Saturday morning, right, Joe ten Amy, Saturday ten am, We're gonna
44:09
we're gonna go live again. We're just doing a special tonight because it's November
44:15
twenty second, nineteen sixty three or twenty twenty three, sorry, and we're
44:22
gonna be doing the show live here on the weekends, more than likely to
44:27
be Saturday mornings Sunday, on the days that I record quick hits. But
44:34
so move forward. Next show is going to be on Sunday, ten am
44:38
Eastern. We'll get all that set up and hopefully the live will go off
44:43
without a next time, right, Joe, I hope so, but but
44:52
yeah, just on here, yeah, but just to follow up on what
44:57
you were were saying there, we have spent what like two months straight on
45:05
probably Saturday and Sunday, like four or five hour sessions taping our Lancer presentation
45:13
tank like forty seven, and it was it took us a long time to
45:23
figure out which Martin's were which, And you know, we would have loved
45:29
to tie Joseph James Martin to Jack s Martin and Suggs and the other Martin
45:37
aliases, but we weren't able to. And you know, we're like Rob
45:42
kind of mentioned and in the beginning in his intro, We're not going to
45:47
sensationalize stuff. We're going to give you the facts as per the documents and
45:54
the documentary evidence and our best inter cirtation of that, and we hope you
46:04
join us for the journey. The story is one hundred not finished, is
46:10
probably like fifty four percent finished. The more we dig into things, the
46:17
more questions we have. And like I said, I actually found a couple
46:24
more Martin's that will come into play in the John t story and possibly a
46:35
story involving some burglars who read it as safe. And it's really interesting how
46:45
it all comes together and over the course of decades, and it's it's been
46:54
a very long journey, and we have a drop off with files of each
47:02
Martin and each relevant file in that particular folder. So we're not just acquiring
47:12
jack S files and throwing them in the folder or actually breeding them and saying
47:15
is this significant? Is this going to disprove or prove that he might have
47:22
been Joseph James Martin, Like Joan Mellon clink we I mean, how long
47:29
do we argue we rob over this whether they were the same doctor? Yeah,
47:35
I would say no. And looking over we found a lot of stuff
47:37
that Joan Millan was that bless her heart got wrong and this is just one
47:46
of them. You know, there's absolutely no documentation the CI whatsoever confirming that
47:55
Jack Martin was ever a CIA ascid or ag or working for the CIA at
48:01
all. Yeah, that he was. In nineteen sixty he was arrested for
48:07
impersonating a government agent. You know. So and like like Uncle Dave said
48:14
in the chat something about the diploma, Mills and you know, him and
48:20
Beckham were tied up in this stuff with these false documents, and so were
48:24
these bishops, and you know, it's just it gets into the weeds a
48:30
lot. Did he know anything significant? Did he sensationalize things, probably so,
48:44
but you know, he was the impetus for the entire New Orleans investigation
48:52
part of this thing. And the problem was that Garrison couldn't put him on
48:58
the stand because he was a freaking job and a drunk. So and and
49:05
David Ferry died right before, right, yeah. And if you go listen
49:15
to uh some of the you can actually hear audio interviews with Jack Martin and
49:21
Jim Garrison, and you know, a real piece of work. And of
49:25
course I know it was a different era, but you know, he's a
49:28
real big fan of the N word in the in these interviews and it's hard
49:32
to listen to. But he doesn't sound anything like which you know, like
49:37
what you think, much like David Ferry in the movie JFK. Hey,
49:45
I see Caroline has dropped in the chat late better late than never, Caroline.
49:50
It's all right, you're fashionably late. It's okay. You're probably doing
49:52
your hair, you make up or something for you showed up. It's all
49:55
good. And they want you to say liberty lobby clothing with Martin. I
50:04
I am not I will not be saying that word tonight. We are going
50:08
to avoid it. At all costs. I'm sure there will be a point
50:13
on this show where I have to mention that word. And Kenneth Zeneker,
50:21
if you're out there watching, I want that shirt, bro, send it
50:27
to me. Okay, I will wear it proudly right here on YouTube.
50:34
He made me a special Liberty lobbity shirt and it's pretty sweet looking. Yeah,
50:40
oh shure, he didn't. He didn't tell me that. And I
50:44
spent a good amount of time with Kenneth over the weekend, and he is
50:49
just a great guy and and it is really put a lot of effort into
50:57
this Lancer conference and I couldn't be more grateful for his the opportunity and also
51:07
the friendship that we established over forty eight hours. But uh, you know,
51:15
I had I quit cigarettes like a year ago, but smoked a Marble
51:21
red one hundred because that was in Texas. I had to. Yeah,
51:28
And that's and that's the whole part of the thing is going and meeting new
51:30
people, people you can call friends, because you know, nerves like us
51:36
who are interested in the in the assassination in our real lives, you know,
51:40
we don't have anybody to really talk to about this stuff. That's why
51:44
I started the podcast in the first place to have someplace to talk about it,
51:49
because it couldn't do it, you know, anywhere around me. And
51:52
I've made a lot of great friends along this journey. And you know,
51:58
everybody that shows up here today, you're all included, Joe, Doug,
52:02
everybody. I mean, we want to push collaborative research, you know,
52:07
we want people to be involved in things, share documents with us, hypotheside,
52:15
tell us what you want us to talk about. I mean, yeah,
52:20
I mean, we got our plate full for a little while. What's
52:22
this Martin thing? But I promise once we get done that and we will
52:27
have other shows in between some of the Martin stuff, just to kind of
52:30
break it up a little bit, so nobody gets Martined out, nobody gets
52:36
Martin fatigue, but against David Ferry and fatigued with sunglasses on. Do you
52:42
think we have Martin? But again, we definitely have Martin. Just wait
52:49
till in a couple of months when we've finally done all these Martins. How
52:52
fatigued. I don't never want to meet anybody named Martin again, first or
52:57
last name. I'll punch him right in the face. Don't want to know
53:00
you. Yeah, and It's funny because that when when we started focusing on
53:09
the Martin's, I started noticing the Martin name just in regular life. And
53:15
there's actually I was taking a walk with my family and there's a whole plaque
53:20
on the Martin bird. Who even knew there was a Martin bird. Uh,
53:27
it's just it's just funny when when you look out for certain things and
53:32
uh, and pretty much patterned analysis, which is what I do for a
53:37
profession, and it's it's crazy the things that will stand out to you.
53:45
So I'm actually just going to give a little preview here. I didn't tell
53:50
her about this. You might give ahead of me. So we have a
53:58
hople folder of just every Martin and every relevant document with every Martin, and
54:07
this is all J. Jay Martin's. We then have some literature that will
54:15
be on locals exclusively, and also a ton of pictures of the Martins,
54:30
the pseudonyms and aliases, and the weird coincidences like the fact that JFK wrote
54:38
his inaugural speech and proposed to Jackie Kennedy or a book. I'm saying that's
54:47
wrong, Bolivia. But there's your liberty lobby mother, The liberty lobby fun.
54:54
Yeah, Jesus Christ h and uh particular boo Via Kennedy three times fast
55:07
when you say the Liberty Lobby, I will I just did Jacqueline Bouvia Kennedy.
55:15
Jacqueline Bouia Kennedy. Jacqueline Bouvia Kennedy. Okay, but uh, it's
55:22
interesting that that JFK proposed to her and wrote his inaugural address at the Bartons
55:29
Cafe pop in in DC. Os walkeshed just nine of his checks at least
55:34
nine in the Martins Cafe. And uh, and you have Margarite Oswald at
55:44
the Martins Department store in New York in nineteen fifty six. Yes, you
55:49
can't make this stuff up. It's it's epic. Yeah. But one of
55:52
the one of the first defectors to the USSR in the quote false defector program
56:00
was actually William H. Martin, which is not a J. Martin,
56:02
but he is a very interesting story too. So it really just goes so
56:07
deep and the more we look into it, the more questions we have.
56:13
And we really hope that you guys come along for the ride and join us
56:17
and help us. And you know, if you could find a document that
56:22
is relevant that we might not have found you know, share with us on
56:28
locals and let's talk about it, let's debate it, let's move this case
56:32
forward. That's what I said to my Q and A after our Lanser presentation,
56:38
which was the virtual I and I know Rob, we don't have any
56:47
agenda other than truth and that's what we're after and we want to we want
57:00
you to help us with that, and hopefully we have some serious listeners.
57:05
I know Rob has built up an amazing loyal base over the years, and
57:12
we can't be more excited about where this could go. And we're really interested.
57:19
So we're really intrigued and excited about this project we're undertaking. That's right,
57:28
Joe, And once again, just wrap this thing up. We're closing
57:30
in on an hour now. So once again, thank you to everybody who
57:36
showed up for our very first video live stream on here on YouTube. For
57:42
the oncoming podcast, this has been episode number two hundred and sixty one,
57:46
make sure you tune in Saturday. We'll set up the stream and everything and
57:52
we'll get into some more Martins. Martins, and once again, thank you
57:58
to Colonel Reb for the super chat. Much appreciated, my friend. Thank
58:04
you definitely much appreciated, and you know, just for you, Colonel reb
58:13
Well day go Garner here, thanks very much. I just want you to
58:17
know that you know, we don't mess around down here very much. So
58:22
you get today, Go Garner Void Live. You see my stupid facial expression
58:31
when I talk like Dave Little Garner, and I'm wearing my tight leviyes and
58:37
my tight sports shirt. My tattooed arms are flailing in the wind. I'm
58:42
a little sun burnt and ready of spending so much time outside and the weather.
58:47
But feel free to run your hands through my sweet brown, curly mullet
58:52
anytime you want to. Colonel rib all right, that's it, folks,
58:58
thanks for showing up on behalf of my new co host Joe Borelli. We
59:04
want to thank you again. It's been fun and more to come. And
59:07
I promise next time, hopefully we won't screw up the intro three times in
59:13
a row. But yes, you never know. Yeah it can happen next
59:17
time. It could happen twice and that would be an improvement, right,
59:22
but yes, that's right. I just want to say thank you to everyone
59:28
that has joined us Live and to everyone that will watch this later. We'll
59:36
have some links and under this episode, and we hope to see you over
59:46
at locals and on Saturday morning, that's right, And we will be putting
59:52
up exclusive content that you're not going to find here on Spreaker or anywhere else.
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So we're gonna we're gonna be putting up exclusive content on Locals. So
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Saturday morning, ten a m. Eastern, right, and uh, we'll
1:00:21
do our little outro now, Joe, if you want to, what's our
1:00:24
outrow where we go pop up? Peace peace, See you next time,
1:00:38
guys. Thank you,