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Tax Refund Day Rally?🚀 Doomspending Incoming🔥Coinledger INTERVIEW · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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  Speaker 1: Tax Day just around the corner. Could we see a
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  Speaker 1: doom spending rally today we'll break it down with a
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  Speaker 1: David from a coin Ledger. We've had him on usually
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  Speaker 1: around this time of year talking about taxes. So David,
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  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am doing well.
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  Speaker 3: We have like a week left of the US tax
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  Speaker 3: season before the fifteenth, so it's a busy time here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. Listen, We've got a couple of people
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  Speaker 1: pointing at the April fifteenth as a potential bullish indicator.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Hogan was talking about saying, Hey, the fifteenth could
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  Speaker 1: mean that we could see an up trend of people
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  Speaker 1: finally off the hook of having to deal with taxes
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  Speaker 1: after the fifteenth. Do you think we'll see a rally
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  Speaker 1: on on crypto after all this.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance.
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  Speaker 3: You know, as people get refunds back, there is more
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  Speaker 3: liquidity in the market, especially amongst retail folks, and so
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that some of that finds
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  Speaker 3: its way into crypto assets.
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  Speaker 1: We saw this last year on gen Z and some
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  Speaker 1: millennials that were doom spending is what do they call it?
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  Speaker 1: And typically it's like you get your tax refund back
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  Speaker 1: and then you go put it against a few things.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people would maybe go against crypto. I've
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  Speaker 1: got a clip here I want you to watch. Take
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  Speaker 1: a look. We're not going to be financially responsible with
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  Speaker 1: our tax refund if I'm being completely honest.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna get me a little something.
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  Speaker 3: I put eight hundred dollars into my stocks.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, my beauties, let's spend the day together.
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  Speaker 1: First, we're gonna go get breakfast at waffle House.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go do some retail shopping.
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  Speaker 1: I got the brownie batter.
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  Speaker 2: It was okay, but not my face. I'm about to
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  Speaker 2: spend all of my money.
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  Speaker 3: Looks like Christmas came early. They better send it with interest.
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  Speaker 2: They're real quick to charge us interest when we owe
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  Speaker 2: them money. It is okay to see, but do you
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  Speaker 2: know how.
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  Speaker 3: Rare this is to find online?
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  Speaker 2: This is how the Disney company is still raking in cash.
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  Speaker 2: Is unbelievable, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So the point is is that people could take
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  Speaker 1: this tax or fund, move it into investments and kind
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  Speaker 1: of get going here. Do you think this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be another doom spending year? Do you think people
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  Speaker 1: are finally going to say, hey, no, I need to
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  Speaker 1: beat inflation and invest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think some of the money will find its
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  Speaker 3: way into investments and some won't.
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  Speaker 2: The question is how much.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I do think you know a
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  Speaker 3: chunk of that will find its way into assets like crypto.
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  Speaker 1: In your opinion right now, I'm just kind of curious.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think this year was because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people lost money in crypto? In twenty five some people
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  Speaker 1: took tax lost harvesting in December? Do you think this
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  Speaker 1: was a good or a bad tax here for crypto
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  Speaker 1: in general.
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  Speaker 3: I think overall bad just in terms of folks did
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  Speaker 3: lose money now, not across the board, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the period of prices declining year over year, that
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  Speaker 3: does create tax savings opportunities, as you mentioned, because if
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  Speaker 3: you have realized losses, that deducts against gains and income
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  Speaker 3: and you can save money on your total taxable income.
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  Speaker 3: But overall, I think, yeah, not as great of a
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  Speaker 3: year when we look back on twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Anything that you guys have been getting in terms of
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  Speaker 1: data or trends that you could see, especially for preparing
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six, that you could share with us,
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  Speaker 1: anything that you're watching.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, The big thing is the big change that all
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  Speaker 3: the exchanges are now sending out Form ten ninety nine
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  Speaker 3: D to all investors.
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  Speaker 2: So if you bought solder trade a crypto on let's.
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  Speaker 3: Say coinbase, now coinbase will send you a tax form
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  Speaker 3: that details those trades and the irs will receive an
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  Speaker 3: identical copy. And so this is really kind of bringing
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  Speaker 3: out folks who maybe are a little bit behind or
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  Speaker 3: haven't historically been reporting any crypto income. And so I
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  Speaker 3: think that's really the story of the year from our
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  Speaker 3: side is we're seeing a lot more folks come out
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  Speaker 3: of the woodwork who you know, are kind of reconciling
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  Speaker 3: these ten ninety nine dy a's for the.
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  Speaker 2: First time that the IRS now has a copy of.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think okay? So for twenty twenty six, is
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  Speaker 1: there anything coming down the pipeline that you know of
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  Speaker 1: other than it's likely that we'll see Congress probably once
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  Speaker 1: clarity is done, and I want to kind of get
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  Speaker 1: your opinion on that, start to move forward on some
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  Speaker 1: sort of tax code for crypto anything that you're concerned
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  Speaker 1: with around crypto taxes for twenty twenty six that might
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  Speaker 1: cycle into next year.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think not concerns, more like hopefully benefits, hopefully
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  Speaker 3: maybe deminimous spending exemptions, more clarifying facts around stable coin
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  Speaker 3: transactions and how that can you wash out and not
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  Speaker 3: have to get reported line by line, So more hopeful things.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's going to be any like dooms
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  Speaker 3: like legislation that are going to harm people.
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  Speaker 2: I think hopefully only good.
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  Speaker 1: So good news maybe coming out of that, especially if
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  Speaker 1: we get clarity going through. I think that'll be the
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  Speaker 1: first step which will have other effects that will be
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  Speaker 1: somewhat tertiary to what's happening in the market right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the potential here of taking your tax
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  Speaker 1: refund and looking at long term savings, and if you
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  Speaker 1: think about staking eth would be one. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: right now about two and a half. You look at
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  Speaker 1: even what they're doing with some of the vaults, which
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  Speaker 1: have been pretty significant. What do you think about this?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think this would be a good strategy for
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  Speaker 1: someone in terms of how to deal with a tax refund.
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  Speaker 1: Now you've got a little bit of cash back. Is
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  Speaker 1: this an opportunity to maybe take advantage of?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think as interest rates have come down, more
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  Speaker 3: incentive to put liquid assets into these types of vehicles
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  Speaker 3: is kind of the money markets aren't paying out as high,
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  Speaker 3: so if you just have idle cash can be a
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  Speaker 3: good spot to keep some of that cash or you know,
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  Speaker 3: pull it off kind of in an investment. As we've seen,
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  Speaker 3: the money market funds aren't paying what they were a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the advantage here is this would not
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  Speaker 1: be qualified as income when you're on liquid steak tokens,
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  Speaker 1: so because it just rolls in it to the token itself.
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  Speaker 1: Are there other things that you guys are are watching
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  Speaker 1: that maybe starts to build value without creating those those
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  Speaker 1: kinds of events that occur when you start to take
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  Speaker 1: profits on crypto in general.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're totally right.
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  Speaker 3: When it accrues to kind of the token itself in
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  Speaker 3: that mechanism, then when you realize the game by x
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  Speaker 3: the position, it's like a sale event, and that realizes
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  Speaker 3: capital gains.
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  Speaker 2: Most tax professionals would.
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  Speaker 3: Argue, which are taxed typically less than your ordinary income
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  Speaker 3: tax bracket. And so that is a great strategy if
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  Speaker 3: you're wanting staking exposure to go that route rather than
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  Speaker 3: a route where you're getting dripped rewards to a wallet
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  Speaker 3: which that is very certainly income which is going to
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  Speaker 3: be taxed at your ordinary income tax.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so we're.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing bitcoin now hovering around seventy k again, even after
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  Speaker 1: you know, the most recent events, we started to see
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  Speaker 1: a little bit upside. But the point being is that
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  Speaker 1: is this a time maybe in which somebody might start,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because for twenty twenty six, they may not
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  Speaker 1: want to take and sell their bitcoin, but they may
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  Speaker 1: want to garner assets against it. So taking out a loan,
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  Speaker 1: things of that is that still a solid strategy for
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  Speaker 1: a crypto investor is loaning against their asset.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 3: If you are trying to make a large purchase in
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  Speaker 3: your life and you need some cash, but you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to sell your bitcoin and you don't want to
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  Speaker 3: realize maybe you still are in a large gain position.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of folks do find when they run the
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  Speaker 3: numbers that hey, the lending rate that I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: owe on lending against my bitcoin pulling out cash kind
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  Speaker 3: of like a home equity alone, if you think about it,
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  Speaker 3: is less than the tax bill I would incur by
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  Speaker 3: just liquidating it. Now you have to be aware of
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  Speaker 3: if you take out a loan and the price goes down,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you could get margin called and have to
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  Speaker 3: post more collateral. But this has been a strategy that
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  Speaker 3: sophisticated folks have been using for a long time to
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  Speaker 3: not realize the capital gain and still be able to
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  Speaker 3: leverage the asset value of their bitcoin holdings.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the difference here for a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people who've maybe done with this with real estate or
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  Speaker 1: gold is the volatility that you know cryptotypically, you know encounters,
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  Speaker 1: So that's the one factor there. But at the point
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  Speaker 1: we are are right now, which is I would say,
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  Speaker 1: either near the bottom or possibly seeing one major leg
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  Speaker 1: down again, It's very possible, depending on what your loan
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  Speaker 1: to value would be, that would probably be a good
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  Speaker 1: time as we as you start to see it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: going down, because then as it accelerates up, it starts
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  Speaker 1: to create a really great benefit for you. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Clarity Act, so clarity comes through right now.
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  Speaker 1: There's a new White House report out here. They did
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  Speaker 1: a whole thing on whether or not stable coins would
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  Speaker 1: cause problems for banks. They found out that, no, it's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily the case. I'm kind of curious on your opinion.
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  Speaker 1: You've been watching this for quite some time. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think we could get lucky and actually win on the
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  Speaker 1: on the yield situation in general the industry?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope.
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  Speaker 3: So. I think coinbase and others have been fighting the
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  Speaker 3: good fights, and I am hopeful that we can, you know,
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  Speaker 3: get those wins and get that passed into law so
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  Speaker 3: that you know, future administrations, whether left or right, that
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  Speaker 3: is much harder to change when it gets signed into law.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Before we go to our lightning round, David, which is
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  Speaker 1: just kind of a quick random questions on where the
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  Speaker 1: industry is as related to taxes. Is there anything that
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  Speaker 1: a person could do now, knowing that tax deadline is
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  Speaker 1: next week? Is there anything they can do now? And
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  Speaker 1: would an extension hurt them or help them even if
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  Speaker 1: they owe tax What would you be your scenario there?
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  Speaker 3: So there's no penalty or harm in filing an extension
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  Speaker 3: now to your point, if you do owe taxes, then
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  Speaker 3: you need to make that payment before April fifteenth, otherwise
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  Speaker 3: you'll owe penalties.
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  Speaker 2: But if you don't have all.
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  Speaker 3: Of your documents together, or if you're missing some maybe
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  Speaker 3: k ones or ten ninety nine's that you're going to
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  Speaker 3: need a lot of people file an extension gives them
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  Speaker 3: to you in the middle of October to get everything
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  Speaker 3: fully filed with their tax return. And so that is
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  Speaker 3: a great strategy. It's not even really strategy, it's just
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  Speaker 3: a times buyer. If you don't have everything fully put
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  Speaker 3: together now again, if you still are going to o taxes,
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  Speaker 3: you should make an estimated payment and try to overshoot
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  Speaker 3: what you believe you're going to owe, because then that
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  Speaker 3: will come back to you when you file the return
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  Speaker 3: as a refund. But yes, a lot a lot of
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  Speaker 3: crypto investors do file extensions for kind of these reasons.
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  Speaker 1: What is the one tip now that let's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's past April fifteenth, we're already starting to prepare for
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  Speaker 1: next year twenty twenty six. Is there anything a tax
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  Speaker 1: planner should do now someone that's starting to say, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to really start to get ahead of this game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is take a look at
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  Speaker 3: what assets you're holding are underwater or not, meaning what's
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  Speaker 3: in a lost position or what's not Because tax loss harvesting,
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  Speaker 3: while it's most commonly done in December, can be done
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  Speaker 3: at any point throughout the year. So if you, for example,
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  Speaker 3: let's say, are expecting a large gain in some other
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  Speaker 3: asset class. Let's say you're selling your house this year,
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  Speaker 3: or you have a big run on some AI stocks
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  Speaker 3: that you've been investing in, and if you're down in
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  Speaker 3: a crypto position, it can be smart to, hey, realize
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  Speaker 3: that right now, you lock in that loss by back in,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know you can offset against the expected
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  Speaker 3: capital gain.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's smart from.
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  Speaker 3: Like a tax planning perspective to try to match those
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  Speaker 3: losses in the gains because those are going to net
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  Speaker 3: out on the year, the tax year.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you just hit on something, and that is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the wash rule, being able to jump back into that
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  Speaker 1: same asset and the only variance would be maybe a
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  Speaker 1: few days of trades. That is a huge strategy, I think.
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  Speaker 1: And back to your point, because where the market is
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  Speaker 1: right now, you could take that loss. I agree, especially
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  Speaker 1: if you are up against maybe house sale or maybe
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  Speaker 1: some gold sales or other assets of business, etc. That
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  Speaker 1: could start to play into that. I want to go
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  Speaker 1: over to our lightning round and ask you a few questions.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Congress is going to pass a crypto
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  Speaker 1: tax related bill this year?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: If you don't count the clarity stuff, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So not on that one. Who is more to
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  Speaker 1: blame for the twenty six crypto tax reporting nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: If I had to choose Biden?
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  Speaker 3: More so is when the really owner's stuff got passed
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  Speaker 3: and now it's being implemented now.
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  Speaker 1: I see, Okay. And then as far as the issue
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  Speaker 1: on one big beautiful bill tax cuts worth the economic
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  Speaker 1: chaos in terms of Trump's war, healthcare cuts and inflation
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  Speaker 1: all that, what do you.
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  Speaker 3: Think now, that's a tough on I'm like in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of this, but I'd have to go with disagree, disagree?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, all right?
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  Speaker 1: And then what crypto? Would gen Z spend their tax
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  Speaker 1: refund on? Bitcoin eight or meme coins in Nvidia?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm disconnected for this, but I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: go bitcoin and eat bitcoin eat for.
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  Speaker 1: The gen Z crowd. I kind of agree with you there.
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  Speaker 1: I think it will be bitcoin eth for sure. What
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  Speaker 1: would you recommend people use their tax refund for payoff
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  Speaker 1: debt or.
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  Speaker 3: I? Right here, right now, I would pay off debt
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  Speaker 3: if that's what people are.
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  Speaker 1: Sitting away from the high interest. That's I'm on your
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  Speaker 1: that's the Dave Ramsey point, get away from debt. Tax
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  Speaker 1: advisors should be replaced by AI agents. Are you guys
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  Speaker 1: using any kind of AI within coin Ledger right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: That's our biggest push internally, actually is and that's the
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: biggest growth of our business is our professional service offerings.
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  Speaker 3: And we're laying in AI agents to handle a lot
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  Speaker 3: of those day to day, heavy manual tasks.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to agree.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what should should they be replaced, but
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  Speaker 3: they overtime will more and more now it takes a
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  Speaker 3: long time for these technology to really distribute.
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  Speaker 2: But I agree on that.
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  Speaker 1: So when you say you're you're adding it into your
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  Speaker 1: professional services.
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  Speaker 3: What is that? Yeah, so we coin lecturer will do
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  Speaker 3: your crypto taxes for you. So if you don't want it,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: you're the agent. Yeah, if you don't want to do
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: it yourself, our team will just do it for you.
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  Speaker 3: Now obviously we charge much more money for that. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: but that's a very manual process. We go through your
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  Speaker 3: whole account, we reconcile all of your trades, we make
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  Speaker 3: sure everything's being reported correctly. Now we can really layer
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  Speaker 3: in smart agentics workstreams to do a lot of that
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  Speaker 3: heavy work.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, this AI agent will run through a whole customer's transactions,
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  Speaker 3: figure out this all should be labeled income, These should
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  Speaker 3: be marked as transfers, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I didn't know you guys had that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's good news for that. Anything else you guys
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  Speaker 1: are planning for, you know, working on this year, for
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  Speaker 1: the twenty six year that you can kind of share.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the biggest thing we'll be leaning into this so
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: we will be offering more and more full service offering.
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  Speaker 3: So we will do your tax returns for you, We
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: will do all of your crypto reconciliations for you. And
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: this is the fastest growing line of our business, and
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: so we're really leaning in building a lot of smart
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: technology to kind of be able to do that really well.
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  Speaker 1: Listen. I think that's a good product because so many
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: CPAs right now run away from this, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: just don't understand enough about it, and they just don't
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  Speaker 1: obviously they don't want to get in sideways with a client.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that'll be a big benefit. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that when Okay, first of all, I guess my
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  Speaker 1: question to you is have you elevated that up into
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  Speaker 1: where you will do it for a managed trust that's
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  Speaker 1: also dealing with that rather than just a personal tax.
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  Speaker 3: Have not gotten in there, But I'm sure as we
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  Speaker 3: really sink our teeth in to like just full personal
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  Speaker 3: tax returns, we'll get a lot more feedback from the market.
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  Speaker 2: So I can't say not yet, but that's an interesting one.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people this over this last
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  Speaker 1: year they had been going and putting a lot of
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  Speaker 1: their assets into managed trust and several people that come
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  Speaker 1: to our you know, seminars keep talking about this, and
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  Speaker 1: one of the problems they face is the tax issues
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  Speaker 1: down the road because either their CPAs or their accountants
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  Speaker 1: don't completely understand the crypto side of it. They understand
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the other stuff, but the crypto side of it is
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  Speaker 1: usually what buddies of the water. So anyway, David listen,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for coming in today.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you always good to chat.
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  Speaker 3: Paul. I'm glad you're doing well.
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