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The "Smither-vent" - Episode 142 - Bloodbath this weeked? Let's hand out library cards. · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC the talk station, Dan Carol and for
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas taking the week off. I get
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Speaker 1: to be here today and Tomorrow and Wednesday, and then
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Speaker 1: And of course Joe Strecker is running the big board
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Speaker 1: as he always does in the fifty five KRC Command Center,
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Speaker 1: who went all the work behind the scenes.
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Speaker 2: And this show wouldn't be around without.
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Speaker 1: Joe s Kirker, so we always appreciate him. And when
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Speaker 1: Monday morning comes around on fifty five KRC, right around
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Speaker 1: this time in the morning, it's always a great time
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Speaker 1: to Actually, I think we're a little bit ahead of
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Speaker 1: time because Chris Smitheman has requested an hour this morning
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Speaker 1: for the smither Vent, So I guess he's got a
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Speaker 1: lot to get off of his chest this morning. And
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Speaker 1: Chris Smitherman, it's great to talk to you again. How
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Speaker 1: you doing, buddy?
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Speaker 3: Hey? Dan, look, and we talked sometimes during the week.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes we do.
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Speaker 3: That is a fact, that's a fact. I mean, I
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Speaker 3: think we all have a lot to get off our
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Speaker 3: chest after a weekend, like we just like we just
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Speaker 3: came out of the bullets this weekend, the bullets were
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Speaker 3: flying and.
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Speaker 2: Called you called this uh.
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Speaker 1: I think the last time we talked was probably about
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Speaker 1: three or four weeks ago, and you told me that
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Speaker 1: this was going to happen.
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Speaker 3: It's like the weather warms up. It's the perfect storm.
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Speaker 3: You know. City council doesn't have a real plan to
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Speaker 3: respond and it just bot five shootings, you know, you know,
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Speaker 3: and we we these are talking about shootings around Edy
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Speaker 3: Park as an example. You know, it's like almost like
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Speaker 3: the mayor, the city, even even people in our neighborhoods
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Speaker 3: are just numb to it. Like it's it is very
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Speaker 3: unusual to say, hey man, somebody somebody got shot. You know,
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Speaker 3: four people got shot in Avondale, you know, and it
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Speaker 3: just happened. You know, It's like, this isn't normal to
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Speaker 3: wake up and see this level of violence over one weekend.
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Speaker 3: And then when you add Dan Carroll to what we
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Speaker 3: saw in Columbus around Bexley, the team takeover that happened
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Speaker 3: at that festival, and you add the twelve shot in
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Speaker 3: Toledo at that other event, right, so you're seeing a trend.
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Speaker 3: We live in Cincinnati, you see what's happening in Toledo.
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Speaker 3: You see what's happening in Columbus. What makes you think
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Speaker 3: is not going to happen here? Like we are moving
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Speaker 3: in the direction. It's so unfortunate for me to say this,
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Speaker 3: Like I feel like we're returning into that baby Detroit,
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Speaker 3: you know where violence is just you know around us,
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Speaker 3: and and the mayor and the and the council and
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Speaker 3: the city manager are just sitting around watching the bloodshed
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Speaker 3: while they paint a mural on the front of city
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Speaker 3: Hall that says black lives matter. Now, those two things
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Speaker 3: are very disconnected. If you say I can get shot
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Speaker 3: and be a black mail and die in the street,
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Speaker 3: I'm not in I'm not in Iran. I'm right in
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Speaker 3: the in the heart of Avondale, or I'm in walnot Hills.
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Speaker 3: I can get shot like in a war and bleed
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Speaker 3: out in the street right on Gilbert, right on Reading Road.
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Speaker 3: But you have a mural in front of city hall
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Speaker 3: that says black lives matter. I'm suggesting to our neighborhood, neighborhoods,
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Speaker 3: our fifty two neighborhoods, that city hall does not care
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Speaker 3: about black lives matter. If you did, you'd say, man,
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Speaker 3: our first line of defense. Are police not a library card?
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Speaker 3: Like the juvenile court judge suggested this week, let's get
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Speaker 3: library cards for all of the babies. Maybe he hasn't
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Speaker 3: looked at the library, but the police are having a
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Speaker 3: lot of runs there, and people are very concerned about
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Speaker 3: being safe inside the library and outside of the library.
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Speaker 3: I just don't get these silly responses that they think
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Speaker 3: take the point of having good policing. Our first line
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Speaker 3: of defense is law enforcement, and Cincinnati has surrendered our
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Speaker 3: city to criminals. The criminals are protected, but we, the
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Speaker 3: law abiding citizens, have to walk around unarmed because they
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Speaker 3: tell us, in this democratic city, guns are bad. Don't
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Speaker 3: have a gun. The guns are the things that are
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Speaker 3: killing everybody. And those people out here say, man, I've
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Speaker 3: got to carry a firearm because I might just be
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Speaker 3: walking to my car. Somebody might decide to jump me.
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Speaker 3: Somebody might just decide to try to steal my car
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Speaker 3: and carjack me. I'm just saying, Dan Carroll, when the
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Speaker 3: mayor says today, as he says all weekend, everything is
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Speaker 3: a o K, I'm suggesting to you that it is
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Speaker 3: not Dan Carroll.
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Speaker 1: Well, Chris Minnerman, you bring up so many points and
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Speaker 1: so many points I want to explore, and one is
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Speaker 1: the library. And I give credit to Local twelve that
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Speaker 1: put a piece up a well. They actually did this
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Speaker 1: back in May, and they talked about the incidents of
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Speaker 1: violence at Cincinnati's main library downtown so frequent that police
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Speaker 1: report they are averaging a call for service more than
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Speaker 1: once a day. And this is just the main branch downtown.
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Speaker 1: And so you couple this with a juvenile court judge
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Speaker 1: Carrie Bloom who says, you know, we want to I guess,
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Speaker 1: I guess straighten out juvenile delinquents or juveniles who commit
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Speaker 1: crime by making them do what get library cards. So
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Speaker 1: we've already got so many people who are employees who
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Speaker 1: talk to Local twelve didn't want to give their names
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Speaker 1: because what because they're afraid of what Chris Smith.
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Speaker 2: They're afraid of retribution.
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Speaker 1: They're afraid that this is going to come back and
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Speaker 1: haunt them if if people know that they're being called out.
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Speaker 1: And so we have a judge who is going to
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Speaker 1: look at criminals and instead of give them a harsh
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Speaker 1: sentence or have them learn a lesson about what they did.
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Speaker 1: Now here, go get your library card, go and get
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Speaker 1: a book, and give me.
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Speaker 3: A book report.
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Speaker 1: I mean, these things don't happen in a vacuum. And
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Speaker 1: now you know we've got that, and so we've got
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Speaker 1: reports of the violence is up at the libraries. It
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Speaker 1: seems to me we might be able to connect some
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Speaker 1: dots there.
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Speaker 3: Now, Dan Carroll, before we take our break, I just
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Speaker 3: want to let your listening audience know you're not exaggerating
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Speaker 3: like I wish you were, like just making a joke
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Speaker 3: like stand up comedy. Literally, the juvenile court Jude said
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Speaker 3: her response to the crime is when they come to
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Speaker 3: her court, she's going to require that they get a
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Speaker 3: library card. I mean, that's what she's said.
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Speaker 1: I've got to here's the quote right here. Wants it
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Speaker 1: to be a summer of discovery. The goal is to
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Speaker 1: get kids connected with positive people and institutions in the community. Now,
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Speaker 1: make no mistake, there are a lot of positive things
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Speaker 1: that are associated with the library, very positive for the community,
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Speaker 1: positive people there. But instead, do you think these a
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Speaker 1: lot of these individuals that can make crime on a
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Speaker 1: regular basis are interested in positivity or connecting with positive
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Speaker 1: people in a in a productive way.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. And what her number one job should be
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Speaker 3: as a juvenile court judge is to hold those youth
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Speaker 3: accountable for their behavior. That's exactly what she should be doing.
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Speaker 3: She shouldn't be talking about library cards. She should be
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Speaker 3: talking about holding people accountable. And if we don't get
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Speaker 3: a judicial system. For example, you and I have not
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Speaker 3: discussed the person who took there who took their girlfriend
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Speaker 3: on a joy ride with a gun right held her hostage,
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Speaker 3: I believe, will be arranged this morning, on Monday morning,
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Speaker 3: and the question is will the judge hold that person accountable?
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Speaker 3: Obviously the poor woman who was stabbed and killed in Norwood,
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Speaker 3: that judge did not hold that person accountable. There's another
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Speaker 3: bite at the apple because we had somebody in Cincinnati
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Speaker 3: do something crazy like that this weekend and will be
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Speaker 3: arranged today. What will the judge do? Will the judge
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Speaker 3: just say, hey, I'll give you a library card, let
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Speaker 3: you out, see you tomorrow, or put you on one
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Speaker 3: of those ankle bracelets and say we're going to monitor
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Speaker 3: you and poor Sarah Hannick or nos that no one's
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Speaker 3: going to be really monitored. So what's going to happen
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Speaker 3: today for the person the young man or the man
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Speaker 3: who had his girlfriend hijacked her by gunpoint and went
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Speaker 3: on a chase with our cops. Doesn't make any sense
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Speaker 3: to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, Chris, the thing is is that it's fine to
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Speaker 1: sit around in the halls of academia and discuss all
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Speaker 1: these restorative justice issues and all these other sorts of
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Speaker 1: lofty ideas. But the bottom line is that people pay
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Speaker 1: with their lives when these sorts of jams are put
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Speaker 1: into practice. And those are the real life consequences of
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Speaker 1: these sorts of things, and where do people go to
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Speaker 1: get that back? It just doesn't happen. Chris Smitherman, stay
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Speaker 1: right there. We'll get to a quick break and continue
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Speaker 1: on with the smither event on fifty five K see
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Speaker 1: the talk station Great KINGCOK station seven nineteen on this
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Speaker 1: Monday morning, Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas, and once again
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Speaker 1: we are engaged with Chris Smithman for the smither vent
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Speaker 1: during a whole hour today. Chris, So, yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know you've always got to be in your bonnet,
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Speaker 1: but we were talking about this dude, Adam Williams facing
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Speaker 1: nineteen charges, going to be in court at nine o'clock
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Speaker 1: on this morning. We'll find out, you know how hard
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Speaker 1: the judge is gonna come down on him. Police say,
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Speaker 1: you know, this guy had all kinds of drugs on him,
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Speaker 1: had drugs in his mouth. I guess, had repeatedly threatened
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Speaker 1: to harm his girlfriend. And I know whatever the justice
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Speaker 1: system did in the case of this guy certainly didn't work.
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Speaker 1: Didn't work for her. And then we have, of course
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Speaker 1: the specter of the young woman who was stabbed to
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Speaker 1: death in just a horrible crime at the Norwood Skyline,
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Speaker 1: Chile restaurant. Thank god for some people who were there
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Speaker 1: witnessed the crime. They ran and chased this guy down.
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Speaker 1: But the owner of the restaurant is absolutely incensed that
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Speaker 1: you know, this guy was taken. He's got a million
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Speaker 1: dollar bond on him right now. To my way of
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Speaker 1: thinking that that million dollar bond is way too low
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Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking five million. You know, there should be
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Speaker 3: a clear message today, you know, I know, the guy
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Speaker 3: that stabbed the woman to death and Nora would with
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Speaker 3: two children, got a million dollars. This one should be
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Speaker 3: five million this morning. You've got to send a message
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Speaker 3: that when you are threatening in these domestic situations your
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Speaker 3: spouse or your girlfriend, that we take you serious, we
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Speaker 3: take you at your word, and it would be completely
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Speaker 3: unacceptable to let this person out of jail, completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: That woman has to be terrified this morning having gone
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Speaker 3: on that ride on that highway being chased by the
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Speaker 3: cops right now. Imagine how she feels in thirty days
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Speaker 3: or one week or two weeks if he's out on
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Speaker 3: the street again with the monitor. So I hope the judge,
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Speaker 3: I hoope Hamilton County is listening. We are tired of
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Speaker 3: these soft judges, soft on crime. We need to be
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Speaker 3: very serious and diligent here and start putting some real
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Speaker 3: time on these bad decisions that people are making in
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Speaker 3: our city. What frustrates me as I think about city
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Speaker 3: Hall is that I think that the city manager, the
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Speaker 3: current fire chief, you keep hearing all kinds of rumbling
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Speaker 3: rumblings around the current police chief that things aren't as
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Speaker 3: rosy as we think they are. And so my concern
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Speaker 3: is that we're going to be right back here in
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Speaker 3: a week or two or a month with the city
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Speaker 3: manager discharging one or both of our police and fire chiefs.
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Speaker 3: This is a really serious issue, and it's not happening
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Speaker 3: with the police and fire Dan Carroll. It is happening
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Speaker 3: with the chief operating officer, the CEO, the city manager.
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Speaker 3: There's something going on in that office where whether who
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Speaker 3: you hire isn't going right, meaning you're hiring somebody and
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Speaker 3: it's not turning out right, or you're you're quick on
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Speaker 3: the trigger and you are firing people where you don't
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Speaker 3: have calls, and it's causing so much disruption in a department,
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Speaker 3: in two departments that we need so much. Meaning the
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Speaker 3: beginning of our show, you know, I was talking about
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Speaker 3: the chaos of the weekend, of the blood baff that
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Speaker 3: we had and the Black Lives Matter mural that's right
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Speaker 3: there at the front of city Hall that most likely
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Speaker 3: they'll spend another two hundred and fifty to five hundred
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars while facing a thirty million dollar deficit to
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Speaker 3: repaint it, but they won't hire cops or encourage officers
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Speaker 3: to go after cold cases. If you talk to moms
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Speaker 3: out there, they want to know who killed my kids.
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Speaker 3: You know, if you talk to Hope Dudley, she wants
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Speaker 3: to know who killed our kids. And so we need
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Speaker 3: more detectives going out for cold cases. We need more officers,
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Speaker 3: two hundred of them on our streets in order to
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Speaker 3: protect the law abiding citizens that live and go to
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Speaker 3: work every day, Dan Carroll, this is what frustrates me
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Speaker 3: right now about City Hall. I can't get off it
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Speaker 3: because black males are being murdered in our streets every
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Speaker 3: single day. I got so infuriated that I reached out
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Speaker 3: to our governor over the weekend and I said, Governor
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Speaker 3: Mike Dryand we need your help. We cannot allow these
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Speaker 3: blood baths to happen. We can't wait for it to
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Speaker 3: end up in Bexley. We can't wait for it to
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Speaker 3: hit Indian Hill, we can't wait for it to get
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Speaker 3: Hyde Park before we then say there's a problem. There's
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Speaker 3: a problem right now. I'm tired of all of the
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Speaker 3: window dressing of Oh, Kumbai, y'ah, we've got the Black
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Speaker 3: Family Reunion. Everybody's gonna be wonderful. Let's put the mural
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Speaker 3: out in front of city all and then we don't
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Speaker 3: get down to the brass tack of making sure that
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Speaker 3: when somebody has a gun they take the life of
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Speaker 3: a black youth, buy a black youth, that we're gonna
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Speaker 3: put you in the jail for the rest of your life,
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Speaker 3: and we're not gonna play around with you when you
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Speaker 3: have a gun. That message is not clear, Dan Carroll.
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Speaker 3: In the streets of Cincinnati, it is just the opposite.
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Speaker 3: It is soft on crime. If you have a gun,
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Speaker 3: you'll be out by Monday on no ar bond. Don't
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Speaker 3: worry about it. If they do bring you in, you'll
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Speaker 3: just get a month or two, maybe six months, back
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Speaker 3: out with your family, back doing what you were doing before,
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Speaker 3: selling drugs and on the street. I'm tired of it
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Speaker 3: as a black American that lives in Cincinnati, but watching
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Speaker 3: this violence all across our country and you have these
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Speaker 3: democratic cities that continue to do the same thing. Let's
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Speaker 3: open up the pools, Let's have midnight basketball, all that
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Let's give library cards out. We're at
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Speaker 3: the front line of it is. They're really pushing defund
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Speaker 3: the police, reimagine the police while black people are being
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Speaker 3: slaughtered in our streets, and it looks worse than what
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Speaker 3: we see happening in places like the Iraq War.
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Speaker 1: Well, Chrissy, and I'm glad you you. I'm always glad
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Speaker 1: when you bring up the points that you bring up.
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Speaker 1: And during your last statement there, you reminded me of
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Speaker 1: a conversation that I had with an individual, and it
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Speaker 1: has to do with perception versus reality, and so I
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Speaker 1: want to ask you about that. So we'll do that
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Speaker 1: when we come back from the break. Chris Smithman joins
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Speaker 1: us for the Smith Event and we'll continue on right
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Speaker 1: after this on fifty five KRC, the talk station.
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Speaker 2: At U Line. They know firsthand the road to success.
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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC DE talk station seven point thirty on
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Speaker 1: this Monday morning, as we continue to the Smith event
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Speaker 1: with Chris Smithman and Chris, I was having a conversation
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Speaker 1: with a friend of mine a few days ago, and
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Speaker 1: of course the issue of crime came. Look I talk
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Speaker 1: about this a lot with you, Corey Bowman, Judge Hartman,
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Speaker 1: others when it comes to the idea of crime in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: And the conversation was about perception versus reality. And he says, look,
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Speaker 1: I go I'm downtown on a regular basis. He says,
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Speaker 1: I feel safe down there, you know. He says, you know,
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Speaker 1: I witnessed some minor things every once in a while,
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Speaker 1: but the idea that you're going to go downtown, that
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Speaker 1: you're going to get shot is probably very unlikely that
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Speaker 1: anything like that is going to happen. And I think
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Speaker 1: two things can be true at the same time, so,
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Speaker 1: and I think in look, this is a person who
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Speaker 1: like you and me, we want Cincinnati to be a
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Speaker 1: great city. We want robust economic activity happening down there.
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Speaker 1: We want people to be safe when they come into
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Speaker 1: the city, and not just downtown but any part of
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Speaker 1: the city. We want people to have a good, clean, healthy,
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Speaker 1: safe experience when they come into the city of Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: So when you have people, and I'm sure you hear
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Speaker 1: people make these arguments to you on a regular basis,
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Speaker 1: just like they do to me, that we might be
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Speaker 1: overdoing this a little bit when we talk about these issues,
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Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't match up to the experiences that
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Speaker 1: so many people have when they do come into the city.
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Speaker 3: What do you say. I'm not a gambling I'm not
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Speaker 3: a gambling man, but I don't want to play Russian
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Speaker 3: Roulette with my life. I don't know about you, so
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to me what the odds are. If
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Speaker 3: it happens to me, or happens to my daughter, or
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Speaker 3: happens to one of my boys, it's absolutely devastating to
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Speaker 3: my family and something that most families can't recover from.
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Speaker 3: So why not just avoid it? Right? There are three
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Speaker 3: ways to deal with risk. Right, you can retain that risk,
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Speaker 3: you can ensure that risk, or you can avoid the risk.
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Speaker 3: I choose avoid right. So until I have a mayor
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Speaker 3: and a city council that acknowledges that we have a
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Speaker 3: problem because they're waking up on Monday morning saying it's
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Speaker 3: your person, everything is cool, and I'm going it's not.
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Speaker 3: If you live in Avondale right now, it's not if
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Speaker 3: you live in near Eton Park, it's not It's not
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Speaker 3: okay to wake up and four people being shot. This
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Speaker 3: is not normal. And so the problem is you don't
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Speaker 3: have a mayor that gets behind a podium it's not
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Speaker 3: a ribbon cutting and says these words, I support my cops.
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Speaker 3: I've now empowered my cops to do proactive policing and
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Speaker 3: I have their back. Until we have a mayor that's
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Speaker 3: willing to do that right at the front line, we're
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Speaker 3: going to continue to have this problem. This is not
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Speaker 3: about library cards, it's not about opening swimming pools. It's
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Speaker 3: not about making sure we have midnight basketball. All that
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Speaker 3: stuff is great, but without the real penicillin, which is
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Speaker 3: a very robust police department that is empowered to do
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Speaker 3: proactive policing, we will continue to have the problems that
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Speaker 3: we're having. And I'm suggest to everyone listening to me
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Speaker 3: that people at city Hall, through their public policy, they
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Speaker 3: do not care about black lives. I am a Black American.
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Speaker 3: I've raised for black men. I understand what it takes
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Speaker 3: to run a household and make sure that your kids
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Speaker 3: come up a responsible person, and most Black Americans in
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Speaker 3: the United States of America are law abiding citizens. We
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Speaker 3: are all sick and tired of all of this violence
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Speaker 3: that goes unanswered on Monday morning, with the same crap
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Speaker 3: that comes from these mayors that say everything is okay.
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Speaker 3: It's not your children that are dying out here. I
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Speaker 3: know it's okay because you're going to go home to
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Speaker 3: your little comfy condo on the hill, paying up with
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Speaker 3: a million dollar mortgage, and everything is going to be cool.
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Speaker 3: It's not cool for that single mom that's in Avondale
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Speaker 3: every day getting up, going to work on an hourly
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Speaker 3: wage on a bus where somebody was shot on a
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Speaker 3: metro bus this summer, and go everything is okay. I
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Speaker 3: am angry at this leadership in the city that continues
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Speaker 3: to just turn their backs on the people that vote
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Speaker 3: for them. And I say that to Black Americans. Stop
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Speaker 3: voting for these Democrats. Leave these Democrats alone. They don't
21:17
Speaker 3: care about your life. They don't care about public policy
21:21
Speaker 3: that will really support your family. They're running around talking
21:24
Speaker 3: about all kind of crazy stuff, and in the end,
21:26
Speaker 3: they'll put a guy up for Senate tomorrow in a
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Speaker 3: primary who's wearing a Nazi symbol on his chest and
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Speaker 3: tell you that it's okay. What black American wakes up
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Speaker 3: and says, this is a guy that says he hates women,
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Speaker 3: he's got a Nazi sign on his chest, and the
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Speaker 3: Democratic leadership at the federal level of saying we are
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Speaker 3: moving forward, we're endorsing this guy and everything is okay.
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Speaker 3: That's what's wrong, Dan Carroll. Black America needs to wake
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Speaker 3: up and say, we are separating ourselves from a party.
21:57
Speaker 3: We're going to focus on public policy, and if you
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Speaker 3: don't deliver the public policy, the basic thing of safety
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Speaker 3: to my neighborhood, I'm not going to vote for you.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't say it better myself. Chris Smithman, We'll get to
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Speaker 1: one more break. Stay right there as we continue on
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Speaker 1: with the smith event on fifty five krc.
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Speaker 2: DE talk station. When it comes to your import car
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Speaker 2: service needs. There's only one.
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Speaker 1: Five krc DE talk station. We continue on with Chris
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Speaker 1: Smitherman and the Smith Events and Chris one more question
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Speaker 1: about crime and then we'll move on to something else.
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Speaker 1: But we have the specter now of Sarah Herringer. She
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Speaker 1: issuing the city a wrongful death lawsuit against the City
22:36
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati when her husband was killed. Her husband, Patrick
22:41
Speaker 1: was killed by Mordecai Black, convicted felon, cut off his
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Speaker 1: ankle monitor, broke into their home stabbed him to death
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Speaker 1: as a turney. Her attorney, Todd McMurtry was on with
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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham last week and laying out the case about
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Speaker 1: how the way Cincinnati police are able to do and
22:59
Speaker 1: talked about it proactive policing that that has gone by
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Speaker 1: the wayside and either directly or indirectly led to this crime.
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Speaker 1: Then we have a piece that was posted in the
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Exchange. Adam Taylor has really a good analytical piece
23:17
Speaker 1: and they're talking about is crime down in Cincinnati or
23:20
Speaker 1: have we simply stopped reporting crime? And he makes the
23:24
Speaker 1: case that perception again perception versus reality here. So I
23:30
Speaker 1: think more and more people are getting onto this idea
23:33
Speaker 1: that the way we have changed policing. And look, no
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Speaker 1: one is pointing a finger at the cops on the street.
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Speaker 1: They are doing what they have been directed to do
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Speaker 1: by their leadership, and of course they're following the orders
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Speaker 1: that come from city Hall.
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Speaker 3: Well, you really packed it in. My heart goes out
23:54
Speaker 3: to Sarah and Patrick Pinninger, who you know, his life
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Speaker 3: was taken and it shouldn't have happened. I think that's
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Speaker 3: the bottom line, and I support her litigation. If I
24:08
Speaker 3: were in her position, I would see Also, let me
24:12
Speaker 3: also just remind everybody that Patrick was a military vet.
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Speaker 3: He's somebody who served several tours in the military, putting
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Speaker 3: his life on the line, and died in OTR running
24:25
Speaker 3: a small business of fitness with his beautiful wife. And
24:30
Speaker 3: so it was absolutely a tragedy of a number of
24:33
Speaker 3: things where you have a monitor Dan Carroll on somebody's
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Speaker 3: leg that's been cut off for weeks, maybe even months,
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Speaker 3: and there's no reporting of that. And so yes, we're
24:45
Speaker 3: not blaming our law enforcement officers who are told every
24:48
Speaker 3: day to not go out and do proactive policing, and
24:51
Speaker 3: when they do it, you have people like missus Irish
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Speaker 3: Rollie who might just walk up and interveed in that
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Speaker 3: proact the policing telling that person what their rights are,
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Speaker 3: intervening inappropriately as our officers are doing their job. And
25:08
Speaker 3: so that sends a very clear message out to the
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Speaker 3: public that you don't have to listen to police officers.
25:15
Speaker 3: High Hey, we have a person we're paying six hundred
25:17
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars a consultant who's telling us we
25:20
Speaker 3: don't have to listen to cops. I can intervene and
25:23
Speaker 3: start shooting off on what their rights are in a
25:26
Speaker 3: basic traffic stop or a walk up in downtown. Let
25:30
Speaker 3: me say this to you, Dan Carroll, we should all
25:33
Speaker 3: investigate shots spotterer in our city. This is technology. It's
25:37
Speaker 3: very much not reported, but somebody should do a public
25:40
Speaker 3: information request and say shots fire, meaning you and I
25:44
Speaker 3: are talking about people who were shot, but we don't
25:47
Speaker 3: have the full picture of the weekend of how many
25:50
Speaker 3: shots were actually fired. And I'm sharing with you it's
25:54
Speaker 3: like a war zone out here in some of our
25:56
Speaker 3: neighborhood and that we should for city Hall, the city manager,
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Speaker 3: and the mayor and all members of council. I served
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Speaker 3: as Chair of Law and Public Safety to actively report
26:06
Speaker 3: to us at the end of every weekend shots fired.
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Speaker 3: So we have an understanding about what my perception and
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Speaker 3: my reality is meaning of you and I find out
26:15
Speaker 3: that there were five people shot, but there were one
26:18
Speaker 3: hundred bullets that were shot, right, that is a different
26:21
Speaker 3: picture of what people are actually living through on a
26:24
Speaker 3: daily basis, diving down on their apartment floor because they
26:27
Speaker 3: hear bam bam, bam, bam bam. Nobody was shot, but
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Speaker 3: five people, five bullets go off. And so I'm just
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Speaker 3: saying to you the underreporting that you identify is so true.
26:38
Speaker 3: But Shotspotder would unveil that to you, Dan Carroll and
26:42
Speaker 3: all of the radio hosts around our region about what's
26:45
Speaker 3: really really happening in our downtown and in our fifty
26:48
Speaker 3: two neighborhoods. I want to again stress to people that
26:52
Speaker 3: are listening because they'll come back and say, well, Smith
26:54
Speaker 3: Aman doesn't have any solutions. Let me give you some
26:57
Speaker 3: brother right here so people can hear. Do Number One,
27:01
Speaker 3: we need to have a plan. We don't have one.
27:03
Speaker 3: Number Two, we need to organize all law enforcement in
27:06
Speaker 3: the region, bring them all in a room, which they
27:09
Speaker 3: will not do, including the FBI, including ATF including the
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Speaker 3: prosecutor's office, including the head of the Hamilton County judicial system.
27:17
Speaker 3: Bring them all in a room. Put the bad guys
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Speaker 3: on the table. Say here are the ten or fifteen
27:24
Speaker 3: people who are creating most of the habit. Go after them,
27:27
Speaker 3: arrest them, give them big cases, put them under the dog,
27:31
Speaker 3: on jail for a long time. Number two, you have
27:34
Speaker 3: workers that are out here doing work in the middle
27:36
Speaker 3: of the morning. Switch those shifts so in these hot
27:39
Speaker 3: spots your lighting it up. So you're fixing our roads, which,
27:43
Speaker 3: by the way, we should never sold our railroad. We
27:45
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening with potholes, but assuming that city
27:48
Speaker 3: Hall has an interest in fixing our street, let's do
27:51
Speaker 3: it at night where their problems. Bring our men and
27:54
Speaker 3: women there who have jobs and have them do some
27:56
Speaker 3: of this work at night in these hot spots. Light
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Speaker 3: them up, because guess what, crime and people who are
28:02
Speaker 3: doing crime do not like activity. They do not like light.
28:06
Speaker 3: That doesn't that helps us. Number four, Meet with your judges,
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Speaker 3: line them up and tell them we want real, serious
28:13
Speaker 3: consequences for people who have guns who are shooting and
28:17
Speaker 3: killing people in our city. Number five, we need to
28:20
Speaker 3: talk to our governor Governor Mike Dryn. We accept all
28:23
Speaker 3: of your resources, your helicopter, you're detectives right. We support
28:28
Speaker 3: our State Highway patrolman coming into the City of Cincinnati
28:31
Speaker 3: and policing some of the areas that our police are
28:34
Speaker 3: currently doing so they can be dispatched into other areas.
28:38
Speaker 3: Number six, have recruit classes, hire cops, stop downing them,
28:43
Speaker 3: increase them morale, and go to every single roll call
28:46
Speaker 3: you possibly can. When have you seen this? Mayor ever
28:49
Speaker 3: go to a roll call? Ever, do a drive go
28:52
Speaker 3: into and do a ride along with our with our
28:54
Speaker 3: with our Cincinnati police officers. The message is Dan Carroll
28:58
Speaker 3: at the end is we have a city hall that
29:00
Speaker 3: is not active with law enforcement, and they keep sending
29:03
Speaker 3: the message that they just don't care.
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Speaker 1: All right, Chris smithment one segment to go, stay right
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Speaker 1: there and we will wrap things up with the Smith event.
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Speaker 1: It's been an unbelievably fast hour so far on fifty
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Speaker 1: five KRC the talk station Shaffac's Credit Unions Community Shred
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Speaker 1: Day happening Saturday.
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Speaker 2: Fifty five KRC DE talk station.
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Speaker 1: Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas as we continue on with
29:28
Speaker 1: the Smith events and Chris Smithman at City Hall Today,
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Speaker 1: Council Committee is going to hear the budget priorities of
29:36
Speaker 1: the council members. I think this will be interesting as
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Speaker 1: city Council faces a thirty million dollar deficit and we're
29:43
Speaker 1: going to hear what the priorities are of the individual
29:46
Speaker 1: council members. I can hear you chuckling in the background
29:51
Speaker 1: because how much CD read meat. What kind of priorities
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Speaker 1: do you expect to be revealed today?
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Speaker 3: Brother? We'll be talking about it next Monday. You know,
30:02
Speaker 3: it's a lot of pork and it's going to be
30:04
Speaker 3: a lot of disconnected from reality of what's really happening.
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Speaker 1: Are they going to give the for the music for
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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Symphony Music Center, the Farmer Center there and
30:15
Speaker 1: down there in.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, that's done. They are they are, yes, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean I mean I'm just look, you could you'll
30:27
Speaker 3: continue to highlight Dan Carroll the disconnectedness and what what
30:30
Speaker 3: Dan Carroll is saying is here is today we get
30:33
Speaker 3: to hear the priorities of the nine members of council,
30:36
Speaker 3: your board of directors. So they're all introducing their motions
30:39
Speaker 3: to the budget Chair, and the budget chair takes those
30:42
Speaker 3: motions and says, hey, where do I have five votes
30:45
Speaker 3: on these priorities and each member of council is trying
30:48
Speaker 3: to line up five members of council to support whatever
30:51
Speaker 3: they whatever their desire is, whatever that project they want
30:54
Speaker 3: to see go forward. We should take each of those
30:57
Speaker 3: motions and and and put them like we should read them.
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Speaker 3: In a week all each office will will will deliver
31:03
Speaker 3: their emotions and you get a chance to see where
31:05
Speaker 3: their heads are, what they think are the priorities for
31:08
Speaker 3: the city on. You know, as a member of the
31:09
Speaker 3: Board of Directors, I guarantee you there's a disconnect between
31:13
Speaker 3: what we've been discussing this morning. Right, the most important
31:16
Speaker 3: thing is life, meaning our lives and safety. You won't
31:20
Speaker 3: see many motions, if any, coming from the non members
31:23
Speaker 3: of council and that's what made me.
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Speaker 2: Child So yeah, well go ahead. What were you going
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Speaker 2: to say?
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Speaker 3: Well, well, I want to say to to your listening
31:33
Speaker 3: audience is that you know our petition is not just
31:37
Speaker 3: a petition that came from nowhere, Dan Carroll. It comes
31:41
Speaker 3: from a place of watching the city manager constantly, one person,
31:46
Speaker 3: one voice, having the power to fire and hire without
31:52
Speaker 3: the Board of Trustees, the non members of council having
31:54
Speaker 3: any accountability or any say in it. And I just
31:58
Speaker 3: believe that they could have gone on into executive session
32:01
Speaker 3: and ask the city manager, why are you here to
32:03
Speaker 3: fire Chief Washington? And she would not have been able
32:07
Speaker 3: to articulate that to the nine members of council. So
32:10
Speaker 3: she wouldn't have been able to get seven people, seven
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Speaker 3: members of the elected, the people that go before you
32:16
Speaker 3: and are voted on, to say yes, let's move forward,
32:18
Speaker 3: and we wouldn't be facing some ten million dollar settlement,
32:22
Speaker 3: our thirty million dollar settlement with our fire chief. And
32:25
Speaker 3: so this is why this petition is so important. The
32:28
Speaker 3: Democratic Party is lining up against it right They're saying,
32:31
Speaker 3: this is chaos, it's political, it's going to create more chaos.
32:35
Speaker 3: I don't see how we can have more chaos. I
32:38
Speaker 3: just believe that having one person, meaning, by the way,
32:41
Speaker 3: I want to say, you can't fire the city manager
32:45
Speaker 3: without seven members of council. What's so interesting is I'm
32:48
Speaker 3: actually saying, the same way we deal with the city manager,
32:52
Speaker 3: we deal with the police, and we deal with the
32:55
Speaker 3: fire chief. If they all have the same level of protection,
32:59
Speaker 3: you cannot terminate the three of them without seven members
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Speaker 3: of council. But you have members of council to say, oh,
33:04
Speaker 3: this is just so Chaoti. We don't know where this
33:06
Speaker 3: came from. It came from a place of the taxpayers,
33:10
Speaker 3: Dan Carroll, when you mentioned the thirty million dollar deficits,
33:13
Speaker 3: we're the ones ultimately that will pay this settlement. It's
33:17
Speaker 3: not the money is not coming from someplace out on
33:20
Speaker 3: the moon, Dan Carroll. The people that live in the
33:23
Speaker 3: City of Cincinnati. While the mayor says he wants to
33:26
Speaker 3: increase our income tact, we are the ones that will
33:29
Speaker 3: ultimately pay for these settlements. That is why it is
33:31
Speaker 3: our business, and it is why the seven members of council.
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Speaker 3: People can go to Dave Auto Over on the west
33:38
Speaker 3: side of town. They can sign the petition there when
33:41
Speaker 3: they're open and they're hours. They can go to Jim
33:43
Speaker 3: and Jacks they can sign it there. We need citizens
33:46
Speaker 3: to engage in this process so that when we approach them,
33:50
Speaker 3: they say, yes, I heard this, I heard it. You
33:52
Speaker 3: and Dan Carroll were talking about it. I'm definitely going
33:55
Speaker 3: to sign this petition if I live in the City
33:57
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati in order to put this on the ballot
33:59
Speaker 3: for NOVA so we can say forever and forever we
34:03
Speaker 3: say the city manager only has the power to recommend termination,
34:08
Speaker 3: but the seven members of council are all nine have
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Speaker 3: been collectively have the final say.
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Speaker 1: Chris, let me ask you this real quick, and we've
34:14
Speaker 1: just got about a minute left here. Do you expect
34:17
Speaker 1: people to be surprised when the Mike Washington case, the
34:21
Speaker 1: fire chief case is wrapped up, and the case with
34:24
Speaker 1: CG is wrapped up? Eventually, the information that's contained within
34:29
Speaker 1: each of those various court cases, I think a lot
34:33
Speaker 1: of stuff is going to come to light that a
34:36
Speaker 1: lot of people probably don't understand or realize about the
34:40
Speaker 1: inner workings of city Hall and the city manager's office
34:43
Speaker 1: and the rest of that. Do you expect people to
34:45
Speaker 1: be surprised by some of that information that will eventually
34:48
Speaker 1: be revealed?
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Speaker 3: I do. I think people live very busy lives. They're
34:53
Speaker 3: not doubt into this very important subject matter, and I
34:55
Speaker 3: think they're going to be shocked by the size of
34:58
Speaker 3: the settlements on both cases. Yes, I think you know
35:02
Speaker 3: when you sit back and you think there are people
35:03
Speaker 3: out there who still think that Chief Washington now even
35:07
Speaker 3: under deposition, when the city manager was asked, do you
35:10
Speaker 3: have any information about sexual misconduct from Chief Washington, the
35:15
Speaker 3: answer was no. Under deposition when she was asked this
35:18
Speaker 3: simple question, how many female firefighters do you know? None?
35:24
Speaker 3: How many how many firefighters who are female that are
35:28
Speaker 3: are that are on currently the fire department? I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I'm saying these were questions that were asked under deposition.
35:35
Speaker 3: When the public gets a hold of that deposition and
35:38
Speaker 3: they read that and then they understand why we have
35:41
Speaker 3: the petition, right, they'll be running to sign it because
35:44
Speaker 3: we just can't have one person making the call that
35:47
Speaker 3: cost us tens of millions of dollars. We're going to
35:50
Speaker 3: have to issue what are called bonds out here in
35:54
Speaker 3: the open market, meaning we're not going to we don't
35:57
Speaker 3: have ten or fifteen or five or twenty million dollars.
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Speaker 3: We're going to have to literally go out into the
36:02
Speaker 3: bond market and issue debt in order to pay for
36:05
Speaker 3: this for this litigation. And we'll be paying for that
36:08
Speaker 3: litigation with interest of probably seven percent or eight percent
36:12
Speaker 3: for the next thirty or forty years.
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Speaker 2: All right, Chris Smithman, we got to run.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thank you, Dan Carroll, give me.
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Speaker 1: The social media, give me at vote smithmant at vote.
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Speaker 3: Smitherman, you can follow me. See you next week. Dan Carroll,
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Speaker 3: thanks you for covering for Brian Thomas and my love
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Speaker 3: to him as he is. You know is recovering this week.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Chris, you're the best. On fifty five KRCV talk station
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Speaker 3: At the top of the hour, here's