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The Late Debate | 3 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the late Base. Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Caleb Bond with Danika to Georgio and filling in
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  Speaker 2: for James McPherson is James Morrow. You know, we decided
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  Speaker 2: we needed someone to fill in for j M. James McPherson,
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  Speaker 2: so we found another j M. James Morrow.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't want to change the monogram on the towels.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, that's right. And I hear you're very picky
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  Speaker 1: about these things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, high throat count.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah what about you, Denika?
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  Speaker 2: You I've heard about you throwing the towel in literally
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  Speaker 2: when you don't get what you want in the dressing rooms.
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  Speaker 4: I'm an angel. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm an angel.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that. We might have to discuss
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  Speaker 2: that later was coming up tonight. Defense Minister Richard Marles
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  Speaker 2: says xenophobia is making Australia less safe and that multiculturalism
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  Speaker 2: is fundamental to defending the country. Now, I'd be reaching
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  Speaker 2: for the bombs before the multiculturalism myself, but there you are.
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  Speaker 2: That's soon someone that the ABC is in the pooh.
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  Speaker 2: They took their dog to work and let it go
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  Speaker 2: a number two on the floor and then didn't bother
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  Speaker 2: to clean it up.
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  Speaker 1: What was the dog even doing in the office in
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  Speaker 1: the first place. That stinker coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And people on dope will be allowed to drive on
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales roads so long as it's given to
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  Speaker 2: them by a doctor. That's on the front of tomorrow's
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  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph. And while we're talking about the roads of
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales, it turns out that the state government
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  Speaker 2: is in talks with an American company called Weimo to
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  Speaker 2: do a trial of driverless cars very soon. If you
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  Speaker 2: are driving around Sydney you could be seeing this. Now
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  Speaker 2: that's three evil robotic driverless cars boxing some poor unsuspecting
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  Speaker 2: motorist in Presumably the driverless cars are then about to
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  Speaker 2: do some sort of heyst on him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But the state government, we find out thanks to the
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  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph and FOI documents that they got their hands on,
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  Speaker 2: has been having discussions with weimou, which is owned by
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  Speaker 2: Google's parent company Alphabet.
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  Speaker 1: The Transport Minister John Graham.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, is said to be supportive of it. And you've
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  Speaker 2: got the bureaucrats in negotiations to try and nut out
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  Speaker 2: a deal.
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  Speaker 1: Now they reckon.
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  Speaker 2: This may not come for a few years yet, but
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  Speaker 2: the government seems to want to put driverless cars on
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales roads. I don't know, Denika, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure about it. I worry that driverless cars, like anything
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  Speaker 2: else that is robotic, could be hacked. And we know
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  Speaker 2: that the concerns we have with Chinese EV's that are
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  Speaker 2: driven by people, and that they could be disabled remotely
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  Speaker 2: or slowed down, or detonated or used as listening devices
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  Speaker 2: and all sorts of stuff. What happens if someone hacks
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  Speaker 2: into the system that controls these driverless vehicles and then
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  Speaker 2: decides to I don't know, ram them all through the
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  Speaker 2: doors of the lodge or something. I mean, there's one
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  Speaker 2: hundred different permutations where I think this could go wrong,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not sure I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's not just the security concerns, Mike.
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  Speaker 5: As a driver, I don't feel comfortable with a road
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  Speaker 5: full of driverless vehicles. And for the simple fact is okay, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: it's proven that they can do basic things. They can
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  Speaker 5: stick between the lanes, they can take a left turn,
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  Speaker 5: they can take a right turn, they can do a
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  Speaker 5: parallel park. But my question is is there enough data
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  Speaker 5: out there to suggest that they know how to function
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  Speaker 5: in high risk situations? What happens if there is an
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  Speaker 5: unforeseen weather event, there's chaos and carnage on the roads.
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  Speaker 5: You've got flooding. Do these cars know how to drive
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  Speaker 5: themselves properly? Another high risk events? What if it's a
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  Speaker 5: gravel road, what if they have to navigate through really
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  Speaker 5: small narrow pathway.
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  Speaker 4: We simply don't know.
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  Speaker 5: In California recently, a police officer was absolutely stumped because
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  Speaker 5: one of these Waimo vehicles did an illegal U turn.
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  Speaker 4: So this guy has gone to pull over.
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  Speaker 5: The police officer's gone to pull over the vehicle and gone, eh,
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  Speaker 5: hang on.
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  Speaker 4: There's a well driver. Where do I put them? So
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  Speaker 4: again for road rules, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: And the other example I've got in San Francisco, the
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  Speaker 5: traffic lights were out this WAYMO vehicle absolutely crapped itself
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of the road, parked itself like a
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  Speaker 5: brick with its hazard lights on. Because I didn't know
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  Speaker 5: what to do and how to operate the situation.
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  Speaker 3: James, Well, you know, it's interesting. You would expect that
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  Speaker 3: I would be joining you guys in this camp here
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  Speaker 3: and say oh no, no, no, I'm all against the
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  Speaker 3: dravelist cars, but you guys know, I am a motoring
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  Speaker 3: enthusiast of many people out there also, No, I'm motoring enthusiasts,
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  Speaker 3: particularly members of the New South Wales Highway Patrol. Well
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  Speaker 3: you know the old.
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  Speaker 1: But you're making your voluntary donation.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, so I'm helping the state with their deficit. But
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  Speaker 3: that's all that aside. I actually don't have a huge
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  Speaker 3: problem with this. I mean a lot of the problems
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  Speaker 3: you talk about, Deneka. Have you ever seen your typical
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  Speaker 3: uber driver in a white cameri and how well they
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  Speaker 3: do when it comes to navigating through the narrow streets
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  Speaker 3: of Balmain, or when you know, we have one of
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  Speaker 3: our six pm torrential rain storms, when everybody still decides,
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  Speaker 3: hey nah, it's raining and the visibility is about three feet,
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  Speaker 3: I'm still not going to turn my lights on, just
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  Speaker 3: out of spite the data out of San Francisco in
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  Speaker 3: places like that, and you know, in San Francisco, they've
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  Speaker 3: got a lot more challenges because they've got to drive
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  Speaker 3: around all the needles which could pop their tires. They've
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  Speaker 3: got to drive around the human feces and the junkies
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  Speaker 3: and the homeless people. So it's a very complicated environment
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  Speaker 3: out there in San Francisco. They do fine, and in fact,
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  Speaker 3: they're actually proven to be safer, you know, a mile
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  Speaker 3: per per mile than cars. I would hate to see
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  Speaker 3: I well, in terms of accidents and fatalities and things
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  Speaker 3: like that, I would hate to see driving per se
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  Speaker 3: replaced by the machine because I love the techne as
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  Speaker 3: the Greeks would say, of actually driving and the you
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  Speaker 3: know the process of that. But you know, in terms
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  Speaker 3: of like for things, it's like you're basic ubering around town.
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  Speaker 3: And also you know, we've got a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who are driving uber who are you know, they're here
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  Speaker 3: on various visas and so on. Well, this would be
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  Speaker 3: a good way to kind of solve some of the
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  Speaker 3: problems around that as well.
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  Speaker 2: So if I run someone over in my car, I
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  Speaker 2: will be held responsible to that. Now it could be
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  Speaker 2: death by dangerous driving, it could be if I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do it, murder or manslaughter or whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you think is held responsible if a waimo
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  Speaker 2: runs someone over and kills.
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  Speaker 3: Them, Well, you'd have presumably something akin to industrial manslaughter laws.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you do have laws where people can go
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  Speaker 3: to jail from a corporate perspective, if they've created an
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  Speaker 3: unsafe condition, say on a work site, and if something
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  Speaker 3: similar like that happened I think on the road. Now
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a lawyer. I haven't you know, worked out
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  Speaker 3: what the legals are, but I imagine that there'd be
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  Speaker 3: some sort of regime something along those lines.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who'd want to take the fall for that?
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  Speaker 2: Would put your hand up and say I'll be the
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  Speaker 2: person in charge of the driver.
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  Speaker 3: Google is clear happy, Alphabet is clearly happy to. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I just think the company won't be the responsibility. Presumably
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  Speaker 3: it will be, because if you could say, okay, we'll
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  Speaker 3: have corporate finds if things go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But if I, as a driver do something wrong, I
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  Speaker 2: go to jail. So money is one thing, but it's not.
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  Speaker 2: They don't find me for death by dangerous driving.
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  Speaker 1: They put me in there.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a lot to go to jail in this
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  Speaker 3: day here.
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  Speaker 5: It's like the example I just gave you in California
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  Speaker 5: when the weimo did an illegal U turn. So this guy,
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  Speaker 5: the police officer, has gone, well, I don't know how
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  Speaker 5: to give a ticket to I've got to give a
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  Speaker 5: ticket to somebody, and then it was forced to go
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  Speaker 5: up higher into WEIMO, and then WYMO had to investigate
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  Speaker 5: whether or not there was a technical error in that view,
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  Speaker 5: Why are we why?
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  Speaker 3: But why are why are we being so anti technology
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  Speaker 3: in this country? I know, I'm sorry when I moved
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  Speaker 3: to this country twenty five years ago, and Australia has
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  Speaker 3: been very very good to me, as they say, but
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  Speaker 3: that's said when I moved here. This is a much
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  Speaker 3: more forward thinking, early adopter nation when it came to
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  Speaker 3: new technologies. You know, this is this great developed market,
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  Speaker 3: small population, kind of isolated, and they could test things
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  Speaker 3: here and now you can't test things here because it
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh no, we need the rules, we need
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  Speaker 3: the regulations. I think we should be more open to this.
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  Speaker 3: And I say, this is somebody who loves to be
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  Speaker 3: behind the wheel himself.
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  Speaker 1: About the rules and regulations. What about the jobs?
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  Speaker 3: The jobs were jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Jobs driving cars and trucks and buses and all sorts
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  Speaker 2: of things.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean we're the jobs driving horses and buggies
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  Speaker 3: and they had farriers to do horseshoes. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is what this is, what this is what, this is
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  Speaker 3: what progresses. And as I said, so many of the
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  Speaker 3: people here who are Uber driving there are temporary visas
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  Speaker 3: that are on student visas, you know that sort of thing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I mean like they should be leaving at
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  Speaker 3: the end of their visa. Anyway, it's not like this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Australian population of people who do put out
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  Speaker 3: of work if Uber, if you know, all the camera
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  Speaker 3: guys had to look.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the job.
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  Speaker 5: The jobs is not my issue, right because we've already
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  Speaker 5: got AI, and I would say a large part of
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  Speaker 5: this technology is AI. I'm not worried about that that
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  Speaker 5: side of it. But I am concerned though that there
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  Speaker 5: is not enough data out there to suggest that these
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  Speaker 5: cars are safe for use in high risk situations. Now,
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  Speaker 5: if you were to present me with the data that says, yep,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, in the event of an emergency, the
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  Speaker 5: way MOS know exactly what to do and how to
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  Speaker 5: handle it, I would say, fantastic, let's go for it.
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  Speaker 5: But we do not have enough overseas trials at this
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  Speaker 5: point to say that. But at what point do you say,
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  Speaker 5: I think one says more more evidence to suggest that
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  Speaker 5: these vehicles are able to adapt to emergency situations on
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  Speaker 5: the road.
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  Speaker 1: You need trials in order to prove that don't this
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  Speaker 1: is true.
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  Speaker 4: You do need trials.
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  Speaker 1: So someone has you.
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  Speaker 4: Have either of you been at a driverless vehicle before?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I don't know the guy I drove
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  Speaker 3: me held from the pub. The other native could have.
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  Speaker 2: Well you can't remember if well, we're both kind of
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  Speaker 2: driver Anyway, Hey, I had another story that I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: This here this and you teased this at the tip
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  Speaker 3: of the show, keeleb. This is actually a really serious
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  Speaker 3: story and it goes to a lot of things that
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  Speaker 3: we've been talking about this week, and it's part of
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  Speaker 3: this whole issue around multiculturalism. Now, people who read my
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  Speaker 3: stuff in the Telegraph watch me here on Sky know
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  Speaker 3: I think multiculturalism failed experiment, But it doesn't stop it
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  Speaker 3: from me. This club that the Left uses to wage
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  Speaker 3: policy warfare on everybody else and decide, you know, what's
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  Speaker 3: appropriate to talk about and what's not appropriate to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought this was absolutely disgraceful on the part
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  Speaker 3: of Defense Circlear Richard Morris. Have a look what he
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  Speaker 3: had to say here.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it is oftenly unacceptable that for a country
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  Speaker 6: where fully one fourth of our citizens are born overseas
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  Speaker 6: that we have leading politicians who are seeking to draw
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  Speaker 6: a distinction between migrants and Australians.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a few things unpacked there. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: they know their internal polls are showing that Angus Taylor's
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  Speaker 3: policy about denying wealth to non citizens is starting to land.
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  Speaker 3: The second, and people are really in favor of that.
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  Speaker 3: The second thing is he's being mendacious here. There's always
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  Speaker 3: been a difference between citizens and non citizens. Before I
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  Speaker 3: was a citizen, I couldn't vote, I couldn't serve for
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  Speaker 3: the adf here. But the big thing here is this
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  Speaker 3: lie that he has been pushing here, and the left
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  Speaker 3: pushes that unless we go the full multiculty route, than
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  Speaker 3: we are somehow putting ourselves at risk. That we have
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  Speaker 3: to become less like the Australia that we knew and
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  Speaker 3: many people grew up with, and more like Asia. Otherwise
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  Speaker 3: Asia's not going to like us. I think that that
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  Speaker 3: is a deeply irresponsible and dangerous thing to say, particularly
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  Speaker 3: as we know that China actually looks from an intelligence
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  Speaker 3: point of view at multiculturalism as a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: weakness in Australian society.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it makes you go no, I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 5: this is the problem with the left's narrative on this right,
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  Speaker 5: and this is classic from Richard Miles. They conflate any
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  Speaker 5: sort of discussion or debate about migration with being xenophobia
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  Speaker 5: or you know, they think it's racist, and they love
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  Speaker 5: that narrative. There's actually a very, very big difference. There
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  Speaker 5: is nothing racist about having a conversation about the number
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  Speaker 5: of people we're bringing into this country, where the people
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  Speaker 5: are coming from, and whether or not they are going
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  Speaker 5: to assimilate into our way of life, Are they going
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  Speaker 5: to adapt to our values and do they belong or
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  Speaker 5: they can they assimilate in a Western liberal democracy. Now,
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  Speaker 5: these are obviously questions that we are asking. One nation
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  Speaker 5: is certainly at the forefront of this, no wonder, Pauline
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  Speaker 5: Hanson is ahead in the polls, and finally the Liberal
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  Speaker 5: Party are starting to stand up. We have not had
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  Speaker 5: a proper migration debate about really in the last two elections.
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  Speaker 5: It's well, Peter Dutton tried to take a migration policy
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  Speaker 5: to the last election and then you recall it was
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  Speaker 5: sort of just pushed into the never never in the
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  Speaker 5: weeks leading up to it. The reality is is that
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  Speaker 5: we have too many people. Labour's brought in more than
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  Speaker 5: one point two million migrants since it was first elected,
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  Speaker 5: and now according to the budget papers, there's going to
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  Speaker 5: be at least another one point four between now and
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  Speaker 5: the end of the decade.
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  Speaker 4: Where we're going to put all these people.
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  Speaker 5: We can't get every day ossies into houses as it is.
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  Speaker 5: So this is irresponsible language on the part of Richard
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  Speaker 5: Miles to try and shut down debate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's the framing of it is frankly offensive. And
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  Speaker 2: so the Defense Minister, right, who of all people should
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  Speaker 2: be saying, you know, we are a strong nation and
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  Speaker 2: we can stand on our own two feet, we can
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  Speaker 2: defend ourselves, etc. He's saying, but we've got to worry
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  Speaker 2: about what Asia thinks of us, right, So he's setting
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  Speaker 2: up Asia as the dominant entity and US is the
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  Speaker 2: submissive entity. And you know we've got to be multicultural
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  Speaker 2: in order to win the favor of Asia. Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: is Australia at any point saying to Asia, well, you've
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  Speaker 2: got to be a bit more Australian so that you
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  Speaker 2: get our respect. Of course not, but we are expected
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  Speaker 2: to count out to them. Not that I think Asia
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  Speaker 2: is particularly asking us to be more multicultural, maybe certain
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  Speaker 2: parts of Asia, but not Asia as a whole. And
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  Speaker 2: this bit gets me as well.
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  Speaker 1: He said.
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  Speaker 2: Our diverse, multicultural, socially cohesive society is fun mental to
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  Speaker 2: our national security and maintaining it is fundamental to defending Australia.
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  Speaker 2: At what point does multiculturalism become part of our military attached?
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  Speaker 3: Well beyond that though, I mean this is again, these
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  Speaker 3: are bedtime stories the left tell themselves at night, and
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  Speaker 3: they are things that they use to weaponize against people
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  Speaker 3: on the right, people like us. The fact of the
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  Speaker 3: matter is academic study after academic study, and in fact,
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  Speaker 3: headline after headline are we're talking about some more later
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  Speaker 3: on in the program show that actually, far from being
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  Speaker 3: our strength. There's a lot of evidence that shows when
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  Speaker 3: you make a population more diverse, social cohesion, which we
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  Speaker 3: love to talk about, drops, the atomization of society increases
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  Speaker 3: and people tend to balkanize and they know they stay
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  Speaker 3: and they live with people who are of their own
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  Speaker 3: cultural background. If you're not saying no, no, no, no no,
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  Speaker 3: you have to come and join Team Australia. Otherwise, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like what Tony Abbat talks about Hotel Australia. You
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  Speaker 3: don't want that, you don't need that. It's actually it's
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  Speaker 3: undermining cohesion. And I was talking about this in the
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  Speaker 3: Telegraph earlier this week when we had the issue out
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  Speaker 3: in Lakemba in Western Sydney, heavily Lebanese Muslim population and
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: they want to put loud speakers on the minaret. Well,
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  Speaker 3: this is not about being Team Australia, I'm sorry. This
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  Speaker 3: is about declaring that this part of Australia is actually
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: belonging to a specific sectarian group. And it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 3: what that sectarian group is, to be clear, But the
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  Speaker 3: fact is, when you start to make those sorts of
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  Speaker 3: declarations and colonizing public space, you have a real problem.
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  Speaker 3: And if we want to truly defend Australia, the best
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  Speaker 3: way to defend Australia is that to ensure that everybody
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  Speaker 3: who comes into this country and becomes a citizen is
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: assimilated as a member of Team Australia. Yes, they can have,
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  Speaker 3: you know, their customs and their foods and all that stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but they have to be part of Australia. And that's
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  Speaker 3: a very specific set of values. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry those values do come from the Anglo sphere,
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: the British speaking, the English speaking world and Judeo Christianity.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Fact, you can be multi ethnic but monocultural. You all
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: have to back in behind the same.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: But I mean, you look at what's happening at the
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: moment in London, right, London is a prime example of
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: the route that we do not want to go down.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: It might even remember back back in March there was
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: that mass s Wulslm prayer session in the middle of
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Trafagar Square square right in the middle.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: This happens in New York. Turn now in Times Square.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: So you know, and I agree with your point. I
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: think that multiculturalism has failed. And I think that here
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: in Australia, the Bondi attack was a big wake up
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: call for people to go, Okay, we certainly have got
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: a problem with migration in this country, but look, I
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: want to stay in the UK now and now you
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: would have heard of the murder of eighteen year old
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: white student Henry Nowak, who was stabbed four times and
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: killed by a Sikh man.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: It's Henry on the screen right now. Now.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: The killer is a finance student. His name is twenty
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: three year old victim Digwa, he was just sentenced a
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: couple of days ago found guilty. Now he told police
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: that he was attending the stabbing scene back in England,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: claiming that he himself was the victim of a racial attack,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: when an actual fact, it was Digwa who had attacked
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Novak and he died at the scene. But of course
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: the worst part about this is that police completely ignored
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: this young student's please for help and essentially let him
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: die without giving him any assistance because they believed the murderer.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: They believed that he was the perpetrator of this, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: that the murderer was the actual victim of a racial attack.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Now we have got the vision that was taken by
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: police of that night in a warning this is very distressing.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Course you've been starved whereabouts, mate, humbred.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Put the hand in the cuff.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Mate, and that image there is actually frightening. You can
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: see a white hand. He was basically lifeless.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: At this point.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: He's saying, I can't breathe his white hand. He's running
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: out of air, he's running out of oxygen, and police
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: are handcuffing him at this point. Now we've seen in
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: the last twenty four hours, a number of protests because
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: people are sick and tired. They're sick and tired of
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: this racial division. There's two tier policing that's going on
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: over in the UK. Now, I've got three quick points
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: to make about this right. First of the crime itself
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: is absolutely horrific. You've got Sikhs in the UK. They're
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: allowed to carry these knives. They're called kerpans. It's a
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: ceremonial sword. Everyday ordinary Brits if they were found to
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: have a knife or any sort of possession of a weapon,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: they would be thrown into jail or fined. Second, the
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: cover up and the lies has been an absolute disgrace.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: The brother actually spoke to police.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: A brother of the murderer spoke to police and said, oh,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: we've been the victim of a racial crime. The mother
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: hid the weapon and she's now been charged for it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: The third point, of course, is the actions of police
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: and the racial undertones of this. Now, firstly, in what
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: world the law enforcement offices officers let somebody die and
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: not even give them any level of assistance. But two
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Black Lives Matter has destroyed the game for everybody because
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: it's this anti racism no white people. You know, white
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: people are the perpetrators. We blame white people all the time.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: We take the word of everybody else, if you're of color,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: we take your word ahead of white people. And look
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: at what has happened to this poor eighteen year old boy.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: It is hang your head in shame. What's happened over
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: there in the UK.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny that you mentioned black lives matter,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: because there is a terrible squaring of the circle. There
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: is a terrible coming full circle here with this story.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I can't breathe. These were, of course the words of
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: George Floyd when he died with a CoP's knee on
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: his neck six years ago in twenty twenty. Now, of
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: course George Floyd was a career criminal and he was
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: a much different character to this young man Henry Noak
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: who died, who was a completely innocent man. However, after
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that we had even Keer Starmer taking the knee. There
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: was a whole there's an image of him there. You
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: had this go infect the entire British as well as
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the American as well as the Australian police services. The
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: police services in Great Britain have to and have since said,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: basically a tone for the sin of whiteness. And so
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: everything is seen through racial and intersectional terms. And the
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: worst thing you could be is a white male, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the best thing you could be as a person of color.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: And the person of color always has to be believed.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And you know, there are all sorts of complicated things
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: that say, well, you want to keep from arresting people
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: of color because you know, there's they're overrepresented in the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: jails and that sort of thing. So it's all about
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: this racial equity kind of scheme. But that was, of course,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: George Floyd was deeply politicized. There were months of riots,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: and it was in fact actually kept going to make
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: it hard for Donald Trump to win reelection in twenty twenty.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Now we have people saying, oh, no, no, no, no,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: don't politicize this. Well, I'm sorry, you have to politicize this.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: The police forces in Great Britain are deeply, deeply damaged
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and their reputation is broken. And I've seen all sorts
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: of clips of people saying, you know, these furious demonstrations,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: lines of cops stoneface and people are shouting at them.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: In England, take the knee, Take the knee of course,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the cops took the knee for George Floyd, the career criminal.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to Henry Noak, oh well, you know, well,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: we're sorry that this happened, but you know, racial justice
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: is the most important thing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Well, and you make this point about these not to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: politicize it and the links to BLM, so that the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Home Secretary in England, Shabanima Mood, said it was completely
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: unacceptable these scenes that you're looking at and said that
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: demonstrators were hijacking this tragedy to stir up violence and disorder.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: But how is that any different to as you.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Saw before the photograph of Sekirstarma taking a knee to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: support the Black Lives Matter movement that, as you note,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: James perpetrated riots all across the United States. So it's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: all good and well when riots and protests and whatever
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: are being done in the name of a black man
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: who was killed, unfortunately by a police officer. But when
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: it is a white man, oh well, you know, we
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: can't politicize this because it's a very different story. Well,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: it's not a different story. What happened to this young
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: man was racist. It was racist by the police, because
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of course the police have made a judgment in this
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: case that the larger crime here is not the possibility
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that this man was indeed stabbed and dying, It was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: that an Indian fellow said that he'd been racially abused
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: by this chap and when he says I've been stabbed,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the copper says, I don't think you have, mate. I mean,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: it just goes beyond any responsibility that you are meant
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to have as a police officer. If someone says I've
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: been stabbed, surely the first thing you would do is
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: say where have you been stabbed?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Can I take a look at it? Even if the guy.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Might have racially abused someone, if he says he's been stabbed,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: you would try to sort that out.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And instead you disbelieve him.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Why because you take the word of someone who is
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: not white over the white guy. You're believing him, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: you are disbelieving the white man who is dying in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: front of you, and you put him in handcuffs.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That is racism.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting because the police officer actually asked the murderer,
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: have you been attacked? And he said yes, I was attacked.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I was called a racial slow I was I think
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: he said cut over the eye or he had an
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: injury over his eye. And then he said and he
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: ripped my turban off. So the police officer asked the
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: guy who was standing there uninjured if he was okay,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: but not the guy dying on the floor.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Can I make one final point on this, because I
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: know when to move on to the next story. But
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: there's a great linkage between this story and the last
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: story that we spoke about Richard Morriles. Now obviously two
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: very different stories, but the common thread is this. It
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: is the left deciding what we are allowed to make
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: political and what is not this and this pattern happens
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again. They say, no, you're
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: not allowed to talk about it. You're not allowed to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: make this one political. Sorry, a guy is dead here,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: and I think very politicized circumstances we are. It's the
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: same thing with talking about migration. Multicultural has been defensed.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: You cannot, you cannot seed control over what you are
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: allowed and not allowed to talk about to these people.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Indeed, let's move on from the series to the not
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: so serious a proper change of gears here. There's one
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: question that everyone at the ABC in Canberra is asking
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and they're asking that because someone at the ABC's offices
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: in Canberra walked into the loo and found this at
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the entrance way. You will see in a few moments
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a photograph come up of dog poo.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: It's a disturbing content warrant.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: That's a very good point.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So they've walked into the toilet. We haven't even made
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: it as far as the toilet. Is the entrance and
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: what these dog poo here? So apparently someone the ABC
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: has in Canbra has taken the dog to work for
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the day and a little Fido has had his stomach
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: upst at whatever and he needs to go and evacuate
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: his bowels. So they thought, what I'll do is I'll
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: take the dog towards the toilet. The dog didn't even
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: make it to the toilet and they left it there.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: What sort of freak does this stuff? So of course
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: it's elicited an email from the ABC's regional facilities manager
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: for the ACT and New South Wales, Jane Franklin, who wrote,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: we know many staff enjoy bringing their dogs to work
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: from time to time and we generally take a practical
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: approach to pitts in the office.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Whatever that means. I don't know.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: However, incidents like the attached have the potential impactor. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: believe that should be the potential to impact. This is
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: your ABC's writing here that that privilege for everyone. A
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: staff member kindly removed the offending pooh and sanitized the floor.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you. A friendly reminder to keep dogs on a leash.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: We're appropriate, supervise them at all times, and endure I
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: assume it's meant to be ensure they are taken outside
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: regularly or toilet breaks would be appreciate. I just I
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: cannot get over the fact that a you've taken your
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: dog to the office in the first place. This is
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: not a crash or doggy daycare, it's a place of work.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And two that your dog, having done its droppings on
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the way to the toilet, you go, I'll leave that
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: for someone else to clean up. I believe we actually
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: have some exclusive footage of the incident and the staff
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: member in question, aside or the.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you do that?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: How do you let your dog do a boot in
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the office and then say I'll leave it there, presumably
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: because it's the ABC and someone else does everything.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think there's a couple of issues
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: that we need to separate from this hip o. The
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: first point is that this story is about as perfect
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: a metaphor for the EBC staff collective that I could
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: ever ever come up with. I mean, the idea that
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: you would, you know, let your dog go and do
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: a number two on the floor and leave it, leave
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: the mess for somebody else to clean up perfectly encapsulates
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the entitlement mentality of a news network and a broadcast
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: network and everything else that has that receives one point
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: four billion dollars of yours and my money for absolutely
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: no scrutiny. Essentially, it doesn't have to compete in the
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: marketplace with declining viewership and all the rest. But they're
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: entitled to, you know, have their network, have their one
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: point four billion dollars. So of course of course they're
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: gonna think, well, you know, I can let the dog
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: crap on the floor and somebody else will take care
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: of that. Maybe the taxpayer will come and deal with that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Here they can scoop it up with some of the
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: money that Jim Chalmers is picked out of our pockets
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: for the latest budget. But there's the other issue to
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: which I think is more interesting to interrogate. And that's
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the one of dogs in offices. And you know, I'll
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: tell you what I think we were discussing this before.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say something that you guys are gonna hate.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I would love to bring my Cocker Spaniel, Poppy. I
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: think we might have a photo of her that we
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: can show on the screen. There's Popsicle my car. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: if she's at home watching right now, yeah, she's gonna
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: see herself on the screen and be very confused because
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I do leave the TV on for her. But wouldn't
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: it be lovely for her to be able to, you know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: sit here on the set or you know, hang out
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in the newsroom. I've spent ten to twelve hours a
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: day here. Sometimes she's a lovely companion. And you know, me,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: being a responsible citizen and dog owner and also an
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: employee of News Corporational Australia, not the ABC, knows how
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: to care for a dog and sometimes the things that
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: a dog will do.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Look, James, While I think Popsicle little Poppy is absolutely gorgeous.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: She is very very sweet, very very cute. Dogs don't
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: belong in white places. It's disgusting just as much as
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: dogs don't belong in workplaces. Don't bring your family members,
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: don't bring your kids, don't bring you know, your wife,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: your husband. Sorry, keep your personal and your work life
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: completely separate. Do not bring dogs into workplaces? Right aside
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: from it the ABC where clearly you know this was
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: disgusting that whoever that staff is filthy, clearly absolutely filthy, right,
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: but I don't think it is appropriate.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Now some people bring their puppies in.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, like, meet the staff, here's my new puppy, here's
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: a little penny or whatever.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Sorry, lovely gorgeous.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Why don't you organize a playdate outside of work in
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: your own time. Do not bring it into the office.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: It doesn't need to be running around. It's distracting staff.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: It is a general nuisance. And I love dogs. I'm
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: a dog person, but I just think that there needs
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: to be some workplace rules and this is one of them.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: There have to be some lines, right, I mean, you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: if you want to hang around your dog, get a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: job where you can work at home.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Like, why are we making the office like the home?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Bring you take it dog everywhere?
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: You should operate a crate for dogs.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Jakes like, well, I'm not look I'm not I'm not
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: going to win this one here, but I'm just saying,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I think that that a well behaved, slightly
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: chunky Cocker Spaniel would be just the addition that either
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph or skyd newser would need me.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: But I've got a couple of cats. I wouldn't dream
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of saying.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Can I worry?
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'll tell you what, if you brought a
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: cat into this office, I would be so disgusted.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what they than a dog.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think cats are just hideous. Why I
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: just think they're so ugly.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Look, well, I'll tell you one thing.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing a cat won't do is
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: take a dump at the entrance to the toilet and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: just leave it there, because cats cover up their own
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: droppings and can look after these things without humans having
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to do it for them.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've had this argument before.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I believe James, you know, I think and dogs are
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: fundamentally left wing and cats are right wing because a
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: dog's are mendicant and they're reliant on everyone else to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: do everything for them. Hats look after themselves.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: They believe in the individual and they don't need it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, but hang on, hang on, I'm sorry. I okay. Now,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: like this whole idea that cats are right wing and
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: dogs are left wing. Now, I'm gonna ask everybody on
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the set here and everybody out there in TV land here,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: conjure up a cat person in one part of your
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: brain and catdrew up a conjure up a dog person
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: in the other. And I don't know, I kind of
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: feel like with the cat person, there might be some
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: purple hair, there might be some piercings. I'm thinking with
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: the dogs, you know, you're thinking maybe Richard Nixon, Yes,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: you know who was another great.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: James.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: When they go to the rallies, they've got you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: the bullhorn around their their nose, they've got the purple hair,
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: and they've got the.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Little ears, the little cat ears.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, playing as cats.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Dogs also reliant on welfare. Then they can't.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: They need someone to pick up their turns for them,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: someone for them.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Dogs provide incredible service watchdog service for example. You know
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: they they are protective. They alert you when somebody is
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: coming to the door. I always always always know if
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: the neighbor's cat is being encroaching, like a tie tax
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: lefty on my property by you know, standing up on
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: the fence. Pel you know, I'm sorry, but you know
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Poppy is like Poppy is like Peter Costello with the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: old question time, just going after them.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to say what happens if I bring
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: a boo and claud claude?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: What an a pistol and boo? Right?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: But they were dogs, weren't they?
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: You guys like you know part of me Joyce. They're
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: putting a gun to the head of the dogs.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: See out of the office.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you who we need to put a gun
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to the head his government, because bloody government all the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: time trying to charge you more and more. They don't
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: know anything about fiscal responsibility. We've been talking all week
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: about various stories examples from state and federal government levels
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: where they just spin, spin, spend and they don't care.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I think we've done a couple of council ones as well,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: but finally a sensible councilor who said maybe we need
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to tighten our.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Belts for a little while.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Now over at all free council, they're wanting to jack
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: up the rates by as much as forty six percent.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: What because they have projects coming out of their wazoo.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: There's a toilet at the local pool that is apparently
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: going to cost nine hundred thousand.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Dollars for a toilet for goodness sake. I don't know.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe they should put that in at the ABC, so yeah,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the dogs can use it. They did some consulting on
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: a bike path. They cost them five hundred and fifteen
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. They resurfaced a street that apparently no one
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: asked for that was one point six million dollars. And
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: they did a land strategy review on a piece of
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: land that they don't own for one hundred fifty So
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: they're in a spot of bother and as I said,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: forty six percent they want to jack the rates up
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: by in Aubrey. But the Deputy mayor, thank god, someone
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: can see that this stuff is wrong. Jessica Kellerhan, she says,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: we're getting to this point. We were about to adopt
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: a budget that I absolutely feel has a lot more
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: fat to cut off. To me, I don't think we're
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: looking at it with enough criticality and saying, hey, if
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: we want to avoid an SRV, that's the method by
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: which you are allowed to jack the rates up beyond
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the cap, then we probably need to look at our
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: capital and operational projects. And I think we need to
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: be thinking a little bit more like that and be
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a bit tougher on what we're spending our money on.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: To be honest, I think we need to be eating
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: baked beans for a little while. Ah. I am shocked.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: An elected representative who says we should we should cut
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: our budgets and spend less.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: And this woman please go into federal politics and give
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Jim Chalmers attempt to do on how to rain and
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: spending or papshit. Even go down to Victoria, give give
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: the just into Alan government down there a bit of
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: a hand. Finally we've got actually as somebody saying no,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: we cannot be charging rate payers these exorbitant rates.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: And the one thing I will say is that as
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: a resident of a rate pair in the Inner West
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Council here in Sydney, that all of these things are
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: actually for real things like toilets and bake paths and
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: not you know the stuff that my rates go to,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: which are things like you know, underwater basket weaving for
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: pan sexuals.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Night, good evening to Darcy Byrne Yes, Darcy. After the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: break we'll get into the papers. On the front of
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph, you'll be able to drive around on
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: dope and Tessy Devils on the loose will tell you
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: where in.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: The country that's happened.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Don't go away, Let's find out what's happening tomorrow tonight,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: shall we your erstwhile employer, the Daily Telegraph, Well.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: By continuing employee, Well, in fact, actually the Daily Telegraph kleb.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I don't hatch any eggs heaven, but anyway, Yeah, I
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: love this story here, and I love this headline, in
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: particular Men's That's Crispins and New South Wales premiere takes
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the bong and winding road on new drug driving laws.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Rolling Stoned is the headline. And this is basically this
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: rule that is being pushed that will allow medicinal cannabis
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: users and we can debate the legitimacy of that being
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: given the green light to drive with small amounts of
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: THC in their system, which I'm frankly you know, I'd
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: rather a way mo sharing the road with me then
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: somebody who's got a quote unquote small amount of THC
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: in their system. I don't know about you guys.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I say, is what gives you the high?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Is that right? So I don't have a problem.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: With medicinal cannabis. I'm for medicinal cannabis, but I do
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: have a problem with THHC. And I do have a
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: problem with you being behind the wheel claiming that you
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: absolutely a okay when you might be a bit off
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: your brains at that point. So I'm not sure what
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Chris Bins is doing here. Normally he actually has quite
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: sound policies, but this I don't understand.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: What he's doing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: It says here that this is the biggest shake up
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: to road rules in two decades.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Well, I just think it puts people at risk personally.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: If you're starting to make the exception that you can
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: drive with you know, low levels of THHC in your system,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: if you're on medicinal cannabis, why could you not then argue, well,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: if you're not on medicinal cannabis.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: What difference differences make?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Because if the THHC level is the issue here,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: whether you got it from the doctor or some dodgy
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: dealer down the pub, what difference does it make your
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: ability to drive?
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: It's THC. It's the same thing with alcoholm actually sort
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: of reminded of when Winston Churchill with America during Prohibition
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: and he got to know from his doctor saying he
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: needed medicinal alcohol a bottle of whiskey a day, just
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: to you know, for medginal purposes. But I do I
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: also have a bit of a I mean, like, yeah,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of people say medicinal marijuana is good, useful, helpful, whatever, fine.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I worry coming from my background in America and New York.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: You know that where you see in America where medicinal
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: marijuana is just simply you know, you sign something and
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you can buy part of these dispensaries, and the streets
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: in New York are just redolent with that horrible, funky
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: smell of marijuana. And I just and I don't think
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: that a stone society is a successful society.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Indeed, that every successful civilization has been built on the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: back of drinkers, not dope pots or people who go
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to run clubs. On the front of the Australian it
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: says Green's light on tax turns red. I thought the
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: green side is going to be more about the dope there,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: but it is the Greens and Cross benches are demanding
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers extensively wine back his extraordinary ministerial powers in
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the government's new tax laws if he wants Labour's budget
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: revenue raid on property and capital gains swiftly passed through
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the Senate. Nearly three weeks after unveiling the plan to
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: raise nearly eighty eight billion dollars through changes to negative
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: gearing CGT and trusts, Anthony Albinizi finally introduced the first
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: change of tax legislation to Parliament and declared his new
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: system would cement Labor as the party of aspiration.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: What on?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: But both the Greens and Independent Senator David Pocock said
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: the high level of ministerial discretion in the Treasurer's new
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: tax bill was a concern and that it left doctor
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Charmers with the ability to fundamentally alter the laws after
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: they are voted on by Parliament. Now that is a
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: very fair point. But can I just go back to
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: this business about our cemmense.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Labor as the party of aspiration? What am I talking about?
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Seriously, this is not the party of aspiration, clearly and clearly,
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: the backlash to the budget would suggest that Labor is
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: extremely concerned where it's going.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: No, Labor is the party of redistribution and it's a
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: party of dependency. It is those are the things. Those
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: are the things that the party is known for. The
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: fact that the Greens are even calling bs on this
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: is spectacular, and that of course has to do with,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: as you were saying, the unbelievable power the Minister of
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the day will be given to decide who gets what
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, that really does totally upset the balance of
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: what it is to be a democratic society where everybody
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: gets the same treatment under law. When you have a
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: minister who can, like, you know, an agent of the
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: king in the Old in the Middle Ages, dispense you know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: a tax break for you because we like you, but
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: we don't like you so much so you're not going
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: to get the same treatment. I mean, the fact that
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: even the Greens have come to the party on this
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: is extraordinary. But you know, the fact is a lot
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: of the stuff's going to get through. They can't even
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: explain things like whether a granny flat, if you build
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: a granny flat on your property, whether that is a
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: new build or not new build of its grandfather, or
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: what you know, this has been a million instances of
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: a John Houston birthday cake moment here with this budget,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: its disaster is unparted with absolutely everybody, and yet.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It's going to pass well, I know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting this quote from the Prime Minister on
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: that front page here it says these changes are for
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: young Australians who are this close to just giving up
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: on buying a home.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: My government has got your back.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: But the larger, the larger word is my bondy the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: larger photograph times. Next to him is a chap who's
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: just bought his first home and he saved up sixty
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: grand and then used the government's First Home Buyers scheme
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: in order to buy it. So that was the five
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: percent deposit, and then he spent another one hundred and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: eighty k on doing the house up in the hopes
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: that it would then be worth one million to one
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: point one million. It's just been valued at eight hundred
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and fifty k. So this is what happens. You want
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to it's all. I'm all for the first home buyers,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: except for the ones who just bought a home, because
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: of course, if you buarred at seven hundred and in
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the market goes backwards and it's now worth six hundred.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: You're in negative equity.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: But also what about the renters, because it's going to
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: be the renters as well that are going to be
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: highly impacted by this. I mean, this is the generation
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: that was all part of this intergenerational equity pitch. This
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: was going to help the young generation, and it's actually
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: done the opposite.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Now the story on the front of the Odds Tomorrow
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: human Rights body slams INDIAS reform as ablest. The Human
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Rights Commission has launched a stinging attack on NDIAS reforms
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that the Labour government insists are essential to keeping the
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars a year scheme alive, declaring the cuts
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: were ablest and prioritized finances above disabled people's rights.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Of course, the Human Rights Commission.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Can we just end the Human Rights Commission?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Just just end it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Next the next government, whether it's coalition or one nation
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: or some animal that hasn't informed yet, can they just
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: end it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Get rid of them, get rid of them.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Let's have some fut of the Gold Coast Bollet and
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: Dare Devil Escapes in Park remains closed after a Tasmanian
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: devil staged a daring escape, taking an abnormally large leap
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: to get out of her enclosure and sparking a suburb
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: wide hunt. Staff at Village road Shows Paradise Country have
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: spent almost two days searching for the endangered animal named Mary,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: who vanished from her enclosure. She was in an indoor
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: quarantine habitat when she went missing during a routine check
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: on Tuesday morning.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: There you go, Mary, do we hear, Harry?
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Do we have any of the footage of the escape
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: there of this devil? I'm not sure do you have
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: any of that?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think we do.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, oh, here we go? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: can tell you though I've spoken to the zoo. They
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: have arranged for a very clever, rascally rabbit. You are
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: dressed up in costumes, trick the trick the devil into
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: a cage and everything. Fine, yes, thank goodness for that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Why don't you tell us very quickly? What's on the
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: herald sun tomorrow? What's on the Herald's side? Let's look
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: at the old Herald's side here. Taking the mick a
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: colorful identity, shall we call him mcgatto has been arrested
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: in early morning raid in Mount Martha at a Mount
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Martha mansion didn't relation to a current investigation into alleged
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: financial offenses. So just an interesting bit of news out
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: of Melbourne.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Rhythm dated there.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: It SATs a little while since mcgaddo has been on
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: the front page. But this is the Task Force Hawk,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: which is the mob that's been looking into union corruption.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: So anyway, we shall see how all of this unfolds.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: A little bit of Melbourne gangland back in the news.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: After the break, we'll take a look at some of
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the winder and wacky as stories of the day don't
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: go away. If ever, I have seen a worthy entrant
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: for this category, I think he is.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Don't the day.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, today's entry is a twenty one year old French
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: chap who's been in the country for all of two
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: weeks but decided he would go and hire a car
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: so he could do some Uber Eats driving. And so
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: he's punched into the Google Maps, you know, the directions
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to wherever this joint is. He'd gone and picked up
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: some mackers, but he had the great smarts to put
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: it on the walking mode, so it wasn't telling him
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the roads to take. It was, you know, as if
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: he was walking to the destination which we'll let you
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: walk through parks and all sorts of things like this.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: So when Google Maps told him to drive into Hyde
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Park in.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Sydney, that's what he did.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: So he drives the car into Hyde Park and then,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: having realized that maybe he's gone a bit far, decides
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: to reverse to turn around to get out, and in
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: doing so, reverses the car into Archibald Fountain.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Take a look at this photo of the cuff. How
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: do you even do that?
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: I don't get it. How does it happen?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: How fast was he going in reverse to do that?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And of course he doesn't have an Australian license. He's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: been here for two weeks. God knows if he has
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: a word of English or understands all the road signs
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: or anything. By the way, when the coppers got there,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: he was eating the maccas that he was meant to be.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Delivered of the audacity, imagine having that level of audacity
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: that you're just like, man, I've just you know, I've
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: just knocked over a fountain, and I've just crashed myself
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: into a fountain. Wasn't following the directions. I'm just gonna
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: help myself to some macers.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Can't get any worser.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: No, that's it. Well, you know what could possibly be worse.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: And I don't know about you.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: If you've ever been a bridesmaid or a groomsman and
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: you have to stand there during a husband and wife's
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: most important moment of their lives and you've got to
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: stand really still, you're thinking, don't cough, nothing, nothing can
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: possibly go wrong.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: All right, thank you. That's a very old man noise.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much for that.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Well, spare a thought for the best man at a
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: wedding in Texas when well this happened silence.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: After a long day. Sometimes it looks like laughing. It's
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: something no one else would understand.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, he fainted, he actually face planted. The poor guy
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: feels sorry for him, But you just say that. The
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: chaplain or the guy officially doing the service, they just
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: kept going and he didn't even like, oh yeah, well
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: he can help himself.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Let's just keep getting these two married.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I reckon, the priest has seen that sort of thing happened.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: We've been here before. Let's keep on going on with
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: the with the liturgy. Hey, I want here for you,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Hugh Jackman.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Look, maybe it's just because you know, I'm a migrant
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: and I don't understand all these Australian traditions and I'm
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: not properly assimilated into this country here. But he Hugh
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Jackman was together with his mate Ryan Reynolds and introduced
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: him to the concept of I think it's disgusting the shoey.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Have a look.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: To everybody, how does.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: This become the big Australian thing. You're wasting a shoe,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: You're wasting good booze. It's gross.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Don't get like imagine pouring your beer into a sweeting shoe, yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and then thinking, oh that will be.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Hughes brothers are very dignified, Supreme Court Justice. I don't
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: know what's happening here in the family.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're putting the best foot forward for Australia,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: perfectly honest. Anyway, that's it from us tonight. Thank you
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us up nixt to the rate
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: of pane, he showed.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Good night.