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DEATH BY MERCEDES: $$$ Socialite mows down little brothers · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Why did two little brothers,
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Speaker 1: ages nine and eleven both have to die? I've been
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Speaker 1: looking at a photo of them over and over. They
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Speaker 1: both have beautiful, dark brown, curly hair. The picture I
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Speaker 1: keeps seeing of them that I'm looking at right now
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Speaker 1: looks like them, maybe at a baptism or some church event.
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Speaker 1: Both just scrubbed in sunshine, big smiles on their faces.
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Speaker 1: They look so much alike. Ages nine and eleven now gone.
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Speaker 1: Mark and Jacob both dead. I want just crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Why did two little boys not well,
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Speaker 1: but two brothers die? Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at NBC four. Such a tough situation out here in
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Speaker 1: Westlake Village. We've seen sheriff's deputies visibly shaken after a
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Speaker 1: young boy was struck and killed by a vehicle here
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Speaker 1: on Triunepho Canyon Road and Saddle Mountain Road. You can
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Speaker 1: see the intersection behind me still shut down tonight as
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Speaker 1: investigators continue their work. Now we are still waiting to
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Speaker 1: get details from sheriffs. We know this happened just after
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Speaker 1: seven this evening. That young boy only described as a
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Speaker 1: juvenile was pronounced dead at the scene and we also
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Speaker 1: see what looks like a child's scooter and helmet. Such
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Speaker 1: difficult images to take in. Now, a second young boy
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Speaker 1: we are told was also struck dot Boy was taken
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Speaker 1: to the hospital and his condition is not known at
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Speaker 1: this time. Can you imagine that coming up on the
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Speaker 1: scene and seeing a little helmet, a child's scooter, and
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Speaker 1: crime scene tape with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First
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Speaker 1: of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation, Mark class You
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Speaker 1: can find him at class Kids dot org. And that's
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Speaker 1: with the k. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at NC Domestic Law dot com. Renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, Doctor Angela Arnold at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com, Founder director the Coldcase Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: Former president of mad Georgia Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Cheryl McCullum,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, Anne, star of a new series on
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Speaker 1: the True crime network, Poisonous Liaisons. Joseph Scott Morgan, but
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Speaker 1: first to the lead news anchor W Dbo Ray Kiputo.
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Speaker 1: Ray Kiputo two brothers dead and one fell sloop. One
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Speaker 1: just nine years old, the other just eleven. What happened, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this was a really hot day. That's happened in a
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Speaker 1: Westwak village, Filifornia's about an hour west LA, depending on
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Speaker 1: the traffic, and it's so hot day and the family
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Speaker 1: goes out of the eating eleven. They're with their mom
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Speaker 1: and they're dead and two other siblings and they're simply
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Speaker 1: crossing the streets. They're okay, hold on, just let me
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Speaker 1: understand something. It's okay. They're with their whole family. It's
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Speaker 1: not like the children were in the middle of the
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Speaker 1: road riding their scooters. They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct, Yes,
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Speaker 1: well marked crosswalk. You know. I'm I want to understand
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Speaker 1: where this is? Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation.
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Speaker 1: Where is Westlake Village? Where is that in California? Well,
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Speaker 1: it's several hundred miles from where I am. But I've
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Speaker 1: been through Westlake and it's a suburb of Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you say a suburb of LA. Having
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Speaker 1: lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars, that
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Speaker 1: could mean anything. I mean, it could be a beach area,
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Speaker 1: it could be a rural area. It could be farming
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Speaker 1: land because California is so diverse. But a good hour
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Speaker 1: outside of LA, in my mind, means suburbs. People that
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Speaker 1: will drive an hour to get to work in LA
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Speaker 1: through that god awful traffic. So we're talking about a
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Speaker 1: suburb of LA which is full of beautiful country called
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Speaker 1: Westlake Village. We're talking about Mark and Jacob and they're
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Speaker 1: nine and eleven years old and therewith their entire family
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Speaker 1: include mommy and Daddy. So back to your raycomputer. I
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Speaker 1: think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk. Correct, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a crosswalk. Now, this is a suburb, so
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a heavily congested area. And when you think
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Speaker 1: of love downtown Los Angeles, it's kind of a concrete Jongnal.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like this. There wasn't a lot of hills though,
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Speaker 1: and it was residential and they were across. What they
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Speaker 1: were doing what a lot of families do on a
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Speaker 1: Tuesday night when it's hot out. You want to get
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Speaker 1: a little exercise, you know. I take Lucy and John David,
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Speaker 1: we get the dog fat Boy, and we walk all
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Speaker 1: the time, practically every day, rain or shine and It's
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Speaker 1: usually about that time when they're done with school and
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Speaker 1: I'm through with work and everything is calming down from
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Speaker 1: all the craziness during the day, and I'm just imagining
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Speaker 1: this family. You know, Raycomputer, you said the whole family
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Speaker 1: was there. How many of them were there, Well, there
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Speaker 1: was at least siblings. One of them was in at
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Speaker 1: so there was the mom and the dad, and you
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Speaker 1: can imagine that that. You know, the child in the
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Speaker 1: street warders getting the most attention. They're getting pushed around,
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Speaker 1: but you know, everybody was there. Mom and dad were
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Speaker 1: with the kids in and it was just there. They
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Speaker 1: get six of them, including the boys, the whole family together.
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Speaker 1: You know, when I go with the whole family together somewhere,
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Speaker 1: I feel more safe because we're all there together. I've
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Speaker 1: got the children with me, my husband's there. Were all
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Speaker 1: focused on keeping the twins safe at all times. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Chris Holmstrom at k AL nine. It
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Speaker 1: was just before dark. A family of six was walking
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Speaker 1: across this crosswalk when tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Basarah with
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Speaker 1: the La County Sheriff's Department describes what happened next. The
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Speaker 1: family were in a mark cross crosswalk clearly marked. As
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Speaker 1: she realized there were two cars speeding her way, she
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Speaker 1: was able to reach out and grab one of her
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Speaker 1: children off of a razor scooter, pulled her, pulled the
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Speaker 1: child back with the stroller, but another child of a
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Speaker 1: stroller um as the car entered the intersection and hit
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Speaker 1: the other two boys. There's six people, including two adults
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Speaker 1: and a stroller. How could you not see that? It
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Speaker 1: wasn't even dark yet? To Ray Caputo, did the two
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Speaker 1: boys nine and eleven die right there on the same
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Speaker 1: where they raced to the hospital? What happened? Oh, it's
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Speaker 1: just terrible, Nancy. Well, one of the boys died at
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Speaker 1: the seat. He was carried on the hood of the
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Speaker 1: car for about hundred feet and then the car stopped
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Speaker 1: and the little boy flew off and then he was
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Speaker 1: he was ran over the other child. Okay, wait wait
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Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait, slow down. What did
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Speaker 1: you just say? Unfortunately, the woman hit the little one
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Speaker 1: of the little boy can carry him one hundred seats
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Speaker 1: and then he flew off the car and random wait
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Speaker 1: wait wait right there, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: So it's not dark yet. They're in a crosswalk. There
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Speaker 1: are six people, including two adults and a stroller. That
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Speaker 1: accounts for three people, so there were three others. That
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Speaker 1: is a group. How can you miss a group of people?
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Speaker 1: And Kathleen Murphy just let's just pretend that ship the
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Speaker 1: driver come over a hill and hit them, which I
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Speaker 1: don't believe is the case because under the rules of
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Speaker 1: the road, just like where you put a double line,
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Speaker 1: you're not supposed to cross on a double line or
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Speaker 1: pass anybody because you're going around a curve. You wouldn't
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Speaker 1: put a crosswalk right there as coming up over a
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Speaker 1: hill because it's too dangerous. So as if you couldn't
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Speaker 1: see them a mile away. We learned from witnesses that
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Speaker 1: one of these two little boys was carried on the
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Speaker 1: hood of the car for one hundred feet, fell off,
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Speaker 1: and then the car ran over them. What happened, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, how could you not see it? Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about the vehicular deaths
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Speaker 1: of two little boys. When I take the children for
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Speaker 1: a walk, I am like a hawk watching cars and
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Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll say get off the road,
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Speaker 1: get into a yard, just get off the road, because
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Speaker 1: I'm afraid the car is not looking. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to you, Ray Kiputo. This
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Speaker 1: was in a crosswalk, and they have engineers looking at
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Speaker 1: where a crosswalk should be, where there should be a
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Speaker 1: double line, where you should put a red light or
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Speaker 1: a stop sign or a flashing yellow light for reasons
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Speaker 1: because it fits with a topography. I just don't believe
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Speaker 1: that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills. That's where I'm
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Speaker 1: getting this from you, Ray Kidputo. I just don't believe
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Speaker 1: a crosswalk was right at the top of the hill. Well,
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Speaker 1: there was a crosswalk team, and there's a road that's
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Speaker 1: coming down a hilly, very hilly road coming down into
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Speaker 1: that and then there's a crosswalk. So my assumption is
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Speaker 1: is that you know that might have played into it.
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Speaker 1: It says that she was on this road, and I
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Speaker 1: believe that she have taken a turn where there was
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Speaker 1: a stop sign. It just kep ripping through it because
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Speaker 1: she was going really fast. And I've seen this on
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Speaker 1: a map and I can understand how someone who's entire
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Speaker 1: execute just out of their minds not paying attention to
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Speaker 1: the room. And if you're coming down a road like
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Speaker 1: you're saying, there's a hill coming down. You can see down.
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Speaker 1: It's not as if she was coming up a hill
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're in a crosswalking there people in
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Speaker 1: the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president
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Speaker 1: of Mothers Against Junk Driving Georgia. Help me out here, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: There were so many things this woman did wrong before
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Speaker 1: that accident. I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk.
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Speaker 1: Crosswalks are there in that spot for a reason, so
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Speaker 1: you can see it, correct, but not somebody that's drunk.
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Speaker 1: It could very well be she was fiddling with the radio.
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Speaker 1: It could be that she was going through her purse. Okay,
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Speaker 1: speaking of that, take a listen to anchor Suzanne Marquez
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Speaker 1: with Tina Patel CBS LA. We have more breaking news.
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Speaker 1: A driver has been arrested after a crash last night
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Speaker 1: in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is
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Speaker 1: Tina patelis live with the latest on this investigation. It's
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Speaker 1: heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina. It really is. One boy
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Speaker 1: died here at the scene. The other one was taken
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Speaker 1: to the hospital and we just learned that he also
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Speaker 1: passed away. Now, the Sheriff's department is not releasing the
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Speaker 1: ages of those boys are saying whether they are related.
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Speaker 1: But you can see the news of the tragic death
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Speaker 1: has hit this community. Many are coming now to leave flowers.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and
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Speaker 1: now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth
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Speaker 1: McDade KTLA five Grossman, who's married to a prominent plastic
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Speaker 1: surgeon Peter Grossman, reportedly hit one boy who rolled up
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Speaker 1: onto her hood. She reportedly slammed on her brigs so
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Speaker 1: he'd roll off, and then she ran him over. Deputies
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Speaker 1: reportedly caught up with Grossman about a quarter mile away
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Speaker 1: in her white Mercedes, which at front end damage, and
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Speaker 1: arrested her. Rebecca Grossman was arrested for vehicular she'd be
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Speaker 1: charged two counts of vehicular manslaughter and his arrested for
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Speaker 1: du The scandals are well known in their Westlake village
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Speaker 1: and church communities. So Rebecca Grossman was driving that white
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Speaker 1: Mercedes married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman. Now
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mad m ADD Mothers Against
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Speaker 1: Drunk Driving Georgia, did you hear that that reportedly hit
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Speaker 1: one boy and he flew up onto her hood. She
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Speaker 1: kept going about one hundred feet and slammed on brake
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Speaker 1: so the boy would roll off, then ran over him
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Speaker 1: and did not stop. She kept going. Did you get
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Speaker 1: that in the news report from KTLA five. Cops didn't
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Speaker 1: find her for a quarter of a mile. But Nancy
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Speaker 1: think about the fact that she's already heard him severely
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Speaker 1: by running over him and killing his brother. She makes
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Speaker 1: the choice of getting that child off the hood of
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Speaker 1: her car and ran over him in order to flee
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Speaker 1: and get away. She made the conscious choice to do
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Speaker 1: more damage to that baby than to stop and renders
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Speaker 1: joining me right now, I want to go straight out
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Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: What in the world would make you keep going after
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Speaker 1: you hit a child. It reminds me of a case
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Speaker 1: I covered on Court TV while back, and the defendant's
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Speaker 1: name was Chantey Mallard. She hit a man in the street,
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Speaker 1: then with him on the hood. Stuck on the hood,
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Speaker 1: she drives all the way to her home, pulls her
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Speaker 1: car into the garage, closes the garage, and leaves him
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Speaker 1: on the windshield. He could have been saved and the
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Speaker 1: time she sat and there going Wow, Am I going
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Speaker 1: to get in trouble for this? She left the guy
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Speaker 1: impelled on the hood while he died. Here, you've got
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Speaker 1: this woman, according to eyewitnesses who you know, they may
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Speaker 1: be cross examined at trial, carried the little boy on
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Speaker 1: the hood of the car one hundred feet, slammed on brakes,
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Speaker 1: the boy fell off, then she ran over him. So's
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Speaker 1: it's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of us
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Speaker 1: cannot understand. But to me, it speaks to something deeper
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Speaker 1: that is wrong with this woman. On top of her
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Speaker 1: alcohol addiction. Apparently, Well, let's talk about that for a moment.
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Speaker 1: I want to find out from you, Ray Kaputo, w
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Speaker 1: DBO why alcohol is being thrown around. How come we
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Speaker 1: don't think she was just let's just say, street racing
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Speaker 1: or joy or eye or in a hurry. How did
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Speaker 1: alcohol get into the mix? Well, that's what the deputy said,
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Speaker 1: what they found her on a mile down the Roadancy,
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Speaker 1: this is a scary car. We see this a lot
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Speaker 1: with people who have money. They know what happens when
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Speaker 1: things go sideways. If you hit somebody and you're drinking,
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Speaker 1: the best thing to do to get the heck away
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Speaker 1: from the scene, apparently and not be seen until you
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Speaker 1: sober up. This woman's car breaks down a mile away,
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Speaker 1: and that's when she's busted. If she would have got away,
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Speaker 1: I would almost guarantee that they would be mounting a
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Speaker 1: defense of I wasn't drinking now. Also, you mentioned street racing.
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Speaker 1: She was apparently street racing too. She was traveling at
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Speaker 1: a high rate of speed, and she was drinking. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what a host of factors. And you wonder why something
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Speaker 1: went wrong here, I'll tell you how I learned that
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Speaker 1: Dui driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs was
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Speaker 1: part of this. Because she is renowned, prominent member of
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Speaker 1: the community. A husband is a high profile plastic Surgeon's
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Speaker 1: arrested on suspicion of manslaughter and dui after smashing her
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Speaker 1: speaking Mercedes and two brothers, Mark and Jacob eleven and
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Speaker 1: nine Westlake Village. She only stopped a mile and a
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Speaker 1: half away when her engine cut out. Cheryl McCollum, former
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Speaker 1: director of Mad Mothers Against Junk Driving Georgia. She didn't
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Speaker 1: pull over and call police. She was only stopped because
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Speaker 1: of car trouble. She didn't nothing to help the family.
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Speaker 1: She did nothing to help the two little boys. She
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Speaker 1: did nothing to render aid helping anyway. She didn't even
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Speaker 1: go to a pay phone and call NY one one
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Speaker 1: anonymously to get help. There, you know, Cheryl, suffering the
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Speaker 1: sudden and criminal death of somebody you love sticks with
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Speaker 1: you forever, as you well know, having dealt with so
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Speaker 1: many crimes victims. But this mother and father were right there.
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Speaker 1: One son died on the scene. Cheryl and the car
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Speaker 1: kept going what that must be like to them? I mean,
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Speaker 1: hugs used to raise BMX and I can play right
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Speaker 1: now in my head the worst rent he ever had,
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Speaker 1: and he was fine. But as a mother, you just,
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Speaker 1: you know, play it over and over and over what
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Speaker 1: they must be living with watching their two children moved down,
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Speaker 1: one killed. It the scene one you have hoped for
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Speaker 1: for a moment, and then that snacks from you too.
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Speaker 1: Because this woman decides she wants to drink and street raise.
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Speaker 1: You're not talking about a seventeen year old kid that
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Speaker 1: makes a stupid decision. You're talking about a woman that
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Speaker 1: has probably drunk more days than she's not that again,
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Speaker 1: made the decision earlier in the day to do things
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Speaker 1: that were illegal. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about this sudden and tragic death of two
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Speaker 1: little boys, age nine and eleven, brothers walking across a
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Speaker 1: crosswalk clearly marked on the street, when fate intervened. According
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Speaker 1: to police, this woman, Rebecca Grossman, prominent in her community
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Speaker 1: and wealthy, not only mowed the two little boys down
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Speaker 1: in front of mom and dad, but kept going. She
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Speaker 1: was charged with suspicion of voluntary manslaughter and DUI. I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut number twelve.
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Speaker 1: Now you may recognize some of these voices. This is
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Speaker 1: a montage of all the average about how fantastic this
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Speaker 1: woman and her husband were. So many of us at
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Speaker 1: ABC News know about the work that the Grossman Burn
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Speaker 1: Foundation has done to provide so much care, new life
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Speaker 1: for women, children, people around the United States and the
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Speaker 1: world in need of that urgent medical care. I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to take a moment of your time this evening
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Speaker 1: to say a few words about the Grossman burn Foundation.
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Speaker 1: This extraordinary organization is making a huge difference around the world.
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Speaker 1: Another miracle at the Grossman Burn Center here in southern Calimarista.
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Speaker 1: So the Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to
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Speaker 1: stop the violence carried out against women around the world.
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Speaker 1: A local Oscar winning special effects artist has become a
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Speaker 1: hero to a woman on the other side of the globe,
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Speaker 1: a woman whose face was destroyed by her own husband.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman of the Grossman Burn Foundation found out about
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Speaker 1: Eustonce Rebecca takes the prosthetics, travels to Indonesia and delivers
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Speaker 1: them to Houston's in person. It's a day Euston's never
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Speaker 1: thought would come. Finally she gets the first sign of
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Speaker 1: hope that she'll feel complete again. You're hearing so much
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Speaker 1: about the Burn Foundation. Remember, this woman's husband is a
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Speaker 1: prominent plastic surgeon, so they're well known and wealthy in
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Speaker 1: that community. What does that mean? Is that why we
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Speaker 1: don't know the facts of the case. Is that why
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Speaker 1: we don't know her blood alcohol content? Is that why
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Speaker 1: so many of the facts of this case have been
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Speaker 1: shrouded in mystery. I know that the husband, who is,
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Speaker 1: as I said, a wealthy and prominent plastic surgeon, had
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Speaker 1: been working with the Burn Foundation. But what about the wife,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman, And what about that particular day that these
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Speaker 1: two little boys were mowed down? Take listen to Tina
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Speaker 1: Patel's cbs LA investigators arrested a fifty seven year old
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Speaker 1: driver and charger with vehicular manslaughter. A white Mercedes with
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Speaker 1: front end damage was towed away about a half mile
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Speaker 1: from the crash scene, but investigators would not confirm whether
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Speaker 1: the drivers stop voluntarily or whether this was a hidden run.
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Speaker 1: People who live nearby hope this crash will be a
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Speaker 1: wake up call for drivers to slow down and for
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Speaker 1: the city to do more to protect pedestrians. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to you, Mark Class, founder of
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Speaker 1: Class Kids Foundation to protect children. Have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: cases where the public doesn't get all the details for
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Speaker 1: a lot of the facts surrounding the case are kept
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Speaker 1: under the rug. For instance, what is this woman's blood alcohol?
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Speaker 1: They're not even saying that. They'll confirm it was a
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Speaker 1: hit and run. She was arrested about a mile away. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it was a hit and run. I don't need a
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Speaker 1: crime scene reconstructions to tell me that, Mark Class. You Nancy,
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Speaker 1: The nonprofit world is full of hypocrites. It's full of
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Speaker 1: wealthy people who sit on boards of nonprofit organizations for
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Speaker 1: no other reason than they can talk about themselves at
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Speaker 1: cocktail parties and give each other awards for the great
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Speaker 1: work that they do. And I think Cheryl can attest
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Speaker 1: to that she knows the nonprofit world as well. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what we have here. Now. They
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Speaker 1: can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is and all
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Speaker 1: of the great things she's done, But she's also the
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Speaker 1: woman who plowed down two little boys, bumped one of
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Speaker 1: them off of the hood of her car, and then
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Speaker 1: ran over him again so that she could escape responsibility.
23:43
Speaker 1: This is a woman with no conscience. This is a
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Speaker 1: woman with no morals. This is a woman who most
23:49
Speaker 1: certainly does not belong behind the driver's seat of a car.
23:53
Speaker 1: But I think we're going to find in the end,
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Speaker 1: given that this was la given that she's wealthy, given
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Speaker 1: that she's white, given that she's blonde, that this woman
24:02
Speaker 1: will probably walk away with a very little accountability for
24:07
Speaker 1: the hideous crime that she committed against this innocent family. Well,
24:12
Speaker 1: this is what I know. They have not released the
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Speaker 1: BAC blood alcohol content. Cops are saying, Oh, we don't
24:18
Speaker 1: know if it was hit and run. Yeah, it was
24:20
Speaker 1: a hit and run, Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's
24:23
Speaker 1: charged with suspicion dui. Now you know the case will
24:28
Speaker 1: be ruined if they did not do an appropriate blood
24:32
Speaker 1: alcohol content test on her, a blow test, and that
24:37
Speaker 1: is the end of a dui case. If you let
24:40
Speaker 1: her off the hook from that blow test at the scene,
24:44
Speaker 1: you can't prove at trial she was dui. So they
24:48
Speaker 1: have her charge with suspicion dui. Why would they have
24:53
Speaker 1: charged her with that, Cheryl, There must be some evidence
24:56
Speaker 1: either they could smell alcohol on her breath, there was
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Speaker 1: evidence in the car of a bottle or something like that.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy, the other thing they're missing. They don't have
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Speaker 1: the traditional things you would have with an accident like this.
25:08
Speaker 1: They're not going to have kid marks. She didn't stop
25:11
Speaker 1: good point point, so there's so many things. They can't
25:15
Speaker 1: get her accurate speed, They may not have an accurate
25:19
Speaker 1: be a thing. They may not have it. We do
25:22
Speaker 1: know this though, Cheryl. Now, this is good needs for
25:25
Speaker 1: the prosecution if they take the case all the way,
25:28
Speaker 1: if they don't get over and pressed with money and prominence.
25:34
Speaker 1: Just got Morgan, the professor forensic shacksil State University and
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Speaker 1: death investigator. The cops have broken down and told us
25:42
Speaker 1: that this socialite Rebecca Grossman did test over the legal limit. Explain, Yeah,
25:49
Speaker 1: the legal limit depended upon where you are. It is
25:52
Speaker 1: generally going to be in a range of about point
25:59
Speaker 1: zero one five that that region right there, and it's
26:03
Speaker 1: going to go to significant impairment and that is your
26:07
Speaker 1: motor function. How can you make judgments? But this is
26:11
Speaker 1: this is one of the problems going back to what
26:13
Speaker 1: Max said just a second ago with her. You know,
26:16
Speaker 1: this woman has a history of driving while intoxicated. This
26:22
Speaker 1: is my question. If she is addicted to alcohol, her
26:28
Speaker 1: tolerance level is going to be much higher. So there
26:32
Speaker 1: are people that have a dependency upon alcohol that can
26:35
Speaker 1: still function be up you know. Whereas you or I
26:38
Speaker 1: might have a drink a couple of glasses of wine
26:40
Speaker 1: or something and we're out like a baby, this woman
26:43
Speaker 1: might could go through two or three bottles of wine
26:45
Speaker 1: still be upright and functioning. Uh So, it's it's kind
26:49
Speaker 1: of a hit or miss. They need to have done
26:51
Speaker 1: this early on. Look at the front end of her
26:58
Speaker 1: you can see it at climb online dot com. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: into another car at the front end of her Mercedes.
27:07
Speaker 1: It looks like she ran into another car. Yeah, if
27:10
Speaker 1: I could address that this is a full size Mercedes sedan, Nancy.
27:14
Speaker 1: And you know Mercedes, one thing they're known for. It's
27:17
Speaker 1: not just a luxury car. They're known as being a
27:18
Speaker 1: safe car, well built. And Nancy, it looks like she
27:21
Speaker 1: ran into a damn telephone pole. It's a center mass strike.
27:25
Speaker 1: And just so people at home will understand, if you
27:29
Speaker 1: imagine that great, big Mercedes symbol that sits right in
27:32
Speaker 1: the center of the grille, that's gone, and not only that,
27:36
Speaker 1: the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an
27:39
Speaker 1: indication that when she struck these two little boys, as
27:43
Speaker 1: you mentioned just a second ago, in front of their parents.
27:47
Speaker 1: Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that,
27:50
Speaker 1: at least because I don't have all the data from
27:52
Speaker 1: the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a
27:54
Speaker 1: fixed object, Nancy, not some you know, non anchored person
28:02
Speaker 1: like these two children. She hit something at such a
28:06
Speaker 1: high rate of speed it literally collapsed the front of
28:09
Speaker 1: that car. I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying.
28:12
Speaker 1: And if you look at that image real quick, she
28:14
Speaker 1: did try to flee, and the only reason she didn't
28:17
Speaker 1: get away if you take a real close look at
28:19
Speaker 1: that image on crime A line. You'll see that there
28:21
Speaker 1: are fluids that have poured out of the bottom of
28:24
Speaker 1: this thing, so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is,
28:29
Speaker 1: as Ray had alluded to earlier, is that if she
28:33
Speaker 1: could have put as much distance between her and that event,
28:38
Speaker 1: that homicide, then you would have had time for the
28:43
Speaker 1: blood alcohol to metabolize in her system. She would have gone.
28:47
Speaker 1: And this has happened numbers of times with high profile
28:50
Speaker 1: people over the years. If you don't have that science
28:53
Speaker 1: to back it up, if you don't know what the
28:55
Speaker 1: BA is at that moment in time, you've lost it forever.
28:59
Speaker 1: So you can three incremental ten minutes, fifteen minutes that
29:03
Speaker 1: passed by the blood alcohol gets the alcohol content gets
29:08
Speaker 1: absorbed in the body crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys
29:28
Speaker 1: were talking about the street desks of two little children
29:32
Speaker 1: nine and eleven, and I want to read something to you.
29:37
Speaker 1: Our beloved angels Mark and Jacob departed to our Heavenly
29:45
Speaker 1: Christ after being hit by a car last night. The
29:50
Speaker 1: church wrote this. They were members of Archangel Michael Coptic
29:57
Speaker 1: Orthodox Church. These two little children and listen to this.
30:03
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mothers against drunk driving Georgia.
30:09
Speaker 1: Listen to this. Six family members were crossing the three
30:14
Speaker 1: way intersection in a marked crosswalk on the road. The
30:21
Speaker 1: parents heard the speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding.
30:28
Speaker 1: And I know that to be true because when I'm
30:32
Speaker 1: with the children walking, I can hear a car and
30:35
Speaker 1: I can tell it's speeding. You can tell and hearing
30:40
Speaker 1: the car, they reached out to grab their children. They
30:46
Speaker 1: grabbed Zachary and Violet, Mark and Jacob were too far away.
30:52
Speaker 1: They heard the speeding car, Cheryl, Now you understand the
30:56
Speaker 1: legal implications of this. They could hear it at a distance, speeding.
31:01
Speaker 1: There were no skid marks. The parents to grab the
31:04
Speaker 1: children they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach were
31:08
Speaker 1: mowed down. Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum. Nancy, what you're gonna
31:14
Speaker 1: have is you're gonna have the police go. They've got
31:16
Speaker 1: to go back. They've got to get video from every
31:19
Speaker 1: ring camera. If they have the flock system, they've got
31:23
Speaker 1: to get that video. They've got to trace her actions backwards.
31:29
Speaker 1: Where did you drink? How much did she drink? Where
31:32
Speaker 1: did she get it from? Did she pay for it?
31:34
Speaker 1: Was it already at home? Was she ad a bar when, Yeah,
31:37
Speaker 1: they're going to retrace all of their her steps, at
31:40
Speaker 1: least I hope they are. That they've got to Nancy
31:43
Speaker 1: because they don't have anything else, because again, they know
31:47
Speaker 1: the blood alcohol is going to be contested. They know
31:49
Speaker 1: that they're going to have a fight on their hands.
31:51
Speaker 1: So they've got to go back and show, just like
31:54
Speaker 1: you used to do that this crime didn't occur at
31:57
Speaker 1: ninety seven pm, six forty five. This crime occurred at
32:02
Speaker 1: two o'clock when she took her first drink. It occurred
32:06
Speaker 1: at three fifteen when she took the next one, It
32:08
Speaker 1: occurred at five to sixty when she had her third one,
32:12
Speaker 1: and then she chose to get in the car after
32:14
Speaker 1: five or six or a bottle. And that's what they've
32:18
Speaker 1: got to show the importance of that. They've got to
32:21
Speaker 1: go back and show every speeding ticket. They've got to
32:24
Speaker 1: show every failure to maintain lane. They've got to show
32:27
Speaker 1: every DUI she's ever had, even if they reduced it
32:31
Speaker 1: to you know whatever, they might have reduced it to
32:35
Speaker 1: reckless driving or such. You know, we all know reckless driving.
32:38
Speaker 1: Usually a DUI that's been reduced. They got to look
32:41
Speaker 1: at every single one, every single time her prominent husband
32:45
Speaker 1: has saved her, they've got to go talk to friends
32:47
Speaker 1: and said, Hey, how many cocktail parties does she throws?
32:51
Speaker 1: How often do y'all know her to? You know's going
32:53
Speaker 1: to be critical that they trace her steps that day? Amen,
32:59
Speaker 1: Because Mark Class, I mean, we still don't know what
33:02
Speaker 1: a blood alcohol is or was because they're not releasing it.
33:06
Speaker 1: But have you ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's
33:11
Speaker 1: no accident, Mark Class, Because as Cheryl McCollum was saying,
33:16
Speaker 1: you start in the day drinking, you decide to get
33:19
Speaker 1: your car keys, You decide to walk out to your
33:21
Speaker 1: car after you've been drinking. You decide to insert the
33:25
Speaker 1: key in the ignition and start the car, put it
33:27
Speaker 1: reverse and then drive there you go. All those were
33:31
Speaker 1: conscious decisions, Mark Class. There were conscious decisions by a
33:36
Speaker 1: woman who's probably done that hundreds of times and doesn't
33:40
Speaker 1: really seem to care about the safety of anybody else,
33:43
Speaker 1: feels that she's privileged enough that she can do what
33:46
Speaker 1: she wants when she wants, and have some kind of
33:49
Speaker 1: a sterling reputation and a lot of money to fall
33:51
Speaker 1: back on. Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial
33:55
Speaker 1: lawyer Kathleen, I pray to God they did a blood
33:58
Speaker 1: alcohol test on her. If they did in the case,
34:01
Speaker 1: is you know over because they're not going to be
34:04
Speaker 1: able to prove she was DUI at the time. But
34:07
Speaker 1: let me ask you my question. At the scene, we've
34:11
Speaker 1: seen so many celebrity walk a straight line, tests, touch
34:15
Speaker 1: your nose tests, say the ABC's test. What other tests
34:19
Speaker 1: are performed at the scene or supposed to be performed
34:22
Speaker 1: when cops suspect DUI. Well, obviously the markers are a breathalyzer.
34:29
Speaker 1: She could refuse the breathalyzer. She refuses the breathalyzers, they'll
34:33
Speaker 1: take blood work at the hospital or wherever she can
34:35
Speaker 1: cars hers. I would suppose they can do the field
34:38
Speaker 1: sobriety tests such as hiltoe. They also can take other
34:45
Speaker 1: steps to determine whether or not they're drinking, such as
34:47
Speaker 1: alcohol bottles in the car, the smell of alcohol on
34:51
Speaker 1: that lady's breath. I've looked on line and I can't
34:55
Speaker 1: find out anything with respect to a report of her
34:59
Speaker 1: blood alcohol level, none whatsoever. But we do know this, Kathleen,
35:03
Speaker 1: we do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman was
35:08
Speaker 1: involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver
35:12
Speaker 1: claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five
35:16
Speaker 1: in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back
35:20
Speaker 1: of his car. The driver passed away later from ill hilp,
35:25
Speaker 1: but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,
35:32
Speaker 1: in that case, we know that insurance paid out one
35:36
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and a settlement with Grossman. She was
35:42
Speaker 1: injured in that too, So what, if anything do we
35:45
Speaker 1: know about her history, Ray Kaputo. Well, Dancy, she's got
35:48
Speaker 1: a good driver, that's for sure. I mean, you can
35:50
Speaker 1: only speculate that that's connected to this. I don't know
35:55
Speaker 1: for sure, but it seems to be that the rating
35:57
Speaker 1: was on the wall for miss Grossman, and she had
35:59
Speaker 1: plenty of opera to need to fix, you know, some
36:01
Speaker 1: of the issues that she had in her wife when
36:04
Speaker 1: you know she didn't And here we are. This tragedy
36:07
Speaker 1: was avoidable. There was something that shouldn't have happened and not.
36:10
Speaker 1: This family is going to be living with us for
36:13
Speaker 1: the rest of their lives and disclose. His wife is
36:15
Speaker 1: done too. Pretty much, a reputation is gone. I'm really
36:19
Speaker 1: more worried about the two dead boys than anybody's reputation,
36:24
Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, What about the people surrounding her? I mean,
36:27
Speaker 1: according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's a reckless driver.
36:32
Speaker 1: The socialite charge with killing two young boys in Dui
36:35
Speaker 1: hit and run previously totaled another driver's car after quote
36:39
Speaker 1: speeding through a red light, and then she sued him
36:44
Speaker 1: even though she ran into the back of his car.
36:47
Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, I don't believe that they should be
36:50
Speaker 1: calling her a socialite. I think that they should be
36:53
Speaker 1: calling her a sociopath. That is what this woman is
36:58
Speaker 1: at at the whole or of who she is. She
37:01
Speaker 1: is a sociopath. Why do we have to be describing
37:04
Speaker 1: this woman who has hit and killed two children and
37:09
Speaker 1: has absolutely no remorse instead of a socialite, we should
37:13
Speaker 1: be calling her a sociopath today, because that is just wondering.
37:17
Speaker 1: Gimy Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia, mothers against jun
37:22
Speaker 1: driving everybody around her? I mean, are they enabling her
37:28
Speaker 1: drinking and driving? Way in? Nancy, I think the most
37:33
Speaker 1: important thing is forgetting everybody around her. This is solely
37:36
Speaker 1: on her. She did this. This is nothing new behavior
37:42
Speaker 1: she chose to drink, she chose to drive, she chose
37:45
Speaker 1: to try to cover it up, she chose to try
37:48
Speaker 1: to hide her face. Now she has chosen not to
37:50
Speaker 1: reach out to the family and apologize. She has chosen
37:54
Speaker 1: to do all of these things that show exactly who
37:59
Speaker 1: she is. And I think that last statement was been
38:02
Speaker 1: own accurate. She is a sociopath, you know, Cheryl McCollum.
38:08
Speaker 1: People refer to these scenes as an accident. I disagree completely.
38:15
Speaker 1: This is no accident. No, this is a homicide thing. Period.
38:20
Speaker 1: It's a murder thing. Can you recomputer lead news anchor
38:24
Speaker 1: for WDBO. What's the status of the case? And now
38:28
Speaker 1: is she sitting behind bars? Absolutely not, Nancy. She was
38:32
Speaker 1: out of jail very quickly. She made that and right now.
38:36
Speaker 1: But she's spacing some pretty serious charges. I mean, this lady,
38:40
Speaker 1: is that by any stretch of the imagination and happy
38:43
Speaker 1: caver spacing two counts of murder, two counts of vehicular manslaughter,
38:47
Speaker 1: of gross negligence, and one kind of hit the one driving.
38:50
Speaker 1: And I know that that last the hit one part.
38:52
Speaker 1: They had to figure out if she'd actually ran or
38:55
Speaker 1: her car was a mile away, so they say had
38:58
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of investigating, and that charges
39:01
Speaker 1: the remo too. What was there to investigate? She was
39:03
Speaker 1: a mile away, of course she ran. Well, she probably
39:07
Speaker 1: could have spun a towel that she had, you know,
39:09
Speaker 1: or shaken up or one half you But I didn't
39:12
Speaker 1: condition she was in when she was found. But clearly
39:14
Speaker 1: she was charged with Well you're right about that, Kapito.
39:17
Speaker 1: Nobody knows because all the details are being kept secret.
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Speaker 1: But we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace climbed story,
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Speaker 1: signing off good bye friend,