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6-11-26 Hour 2 - Vic will be at Broncos OTAs/NBA CBA & Nuggets Expert Jake Coyne in studio · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Moser, Lombardy and Caine on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jake Coin and Studio.
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  Speaker 3: At eight twenty, we're gonna have the Joe's Sackic presser
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  Speaker 3: live at noon.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be there. You Why don't you attend that?
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  Speaker 4: Vict's right over there at Dove Valley the Family Sports.
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  Speaker 5: It's right there.
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  Speaker 6: Wait wait they're having it a Family Sports and not
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  Speaker 6: at uh at the Arena. Oh yeah, I'll go two
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  Speaker 6: for two, baby, I'll do that. I'll go from Broncos
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  Speaker 6: the Joe's presser, I will Are you going.
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  Speaker 7: To be there?
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  Speaker 5: I just done said I'm gonna be there?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 7: I was focused on something else.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure you were, so let me ask you, then,
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  Speaker 6: why don't you go with me to Broncos and then
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  Speaker 6: from there we go to.
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  Speaker 5: Sack get a haircut?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha?
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  Speaker 7: So is anybody from the show going to go to
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  Speaker 7: Broncos with me?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 7: As usual, it's just me. No, what I guess?
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  Speaker 5: My question as usual? My question to you is.
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  Speaker 2: This, I'm very important.
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  Speaker 7: It's not about being important.
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  Speaker 5: Elliot.
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  Speaker 6: It's about gathering information, so you have something to talk
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  Speaker 6: about on the show.
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  Speaker 7: And there's there's no information. Yeah, okay, so there's no information,
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  Speaker 7: all right?
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You can't call this this is twenty twenty six, is
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  Speaker 4: the summer of f Okay, I don't tomorrow, magic show,
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  Speaker 4: magic letter ef all right, it starts a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 7: There's no reason to go there.
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  Speaker 6: You do not at any point tomorrow asked me a
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  Speaker 6: question about the Broncos and what we saw, You're not
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  Speaker 6: allowed to go.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you something. You are not
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  Speaker 4: going to learn anything of concrete substance.
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  Speaker 7: You're probably right, okay, more than I.
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  Speaker 5: Will by getting my haircut.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's compare no tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: If you're going to the Broncos today, can you ask
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  Speaker 3: a question to the people who are in charge.
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  Speaker 6: Davis Webber I believe is going to talk to that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very interested to see what he has to say
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  Speaker 6: about how much how much of a leash he has
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  Speaker 6: in this offense?
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  Speaker 7: Can you ask them this question?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you think he's really going to come up with that?
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  Speaker 3: This from Parker Gabriel when the Broncos gave Patzertan the
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  Speaker 3: recent raise, they converted his base salary for twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: six in future years to option bonuses. According to over
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  Speaker 3: the caps or tans, twenty twenty six cap drops to
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  Speaker 3: twelve point sixty nine to eight million, down about four
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  Speaker 3: million in his lower in future years too.
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  Speaker 7: Ask him what that means, because.
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  Speaker 3: I've read that yesterday and it was one of those
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  Speaker 3: like I'm so stupid. I just said, huh, sounds cool.
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  Speaker 3: So you gave him more money, but you're paying him
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  Speaker 3: less money. I don't know how this works. I don't
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  Speaker 3: understand the football mumbo jumball. Like, imagine if the Nuggets
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  Speaker 3: could do that.
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  Speaker 7: U Yoki is.
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  Speaker 3: Going to make sixty eight million dollars next year, but
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  Speaker 3: they converted some of it into void years and option bonuses,
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  Speaker 3: and then they put a little bit incentives and now
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  Speaker 3: he only makes two million dollars next year against the cap.
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  Speaker 2: Me don't pretend to know how they've worked those contracts.
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  Speaker 6: I think the NBA is the most confusing of all
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  Speaker 6: of them, but the NFL's not too far behind.
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  Speaker 3: You're just telling me they gave him more money and
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  Speaker 3: are paying him less money against the cap, not just
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  Speaker 3: this year, but like every year, and I go, how
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  Speaker 3: does that work?
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  Speaker 7: And why don't you do that for everybody?
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  Speaker 4: Then?
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  Speaker 7: How about that is?
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  Speaker 3: Is it just the benefit of having an owner that
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  Speaker 3: can cut a check?
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  Speaker 7: Is that all it is?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the answers.
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  Speaker 6: I can tell you that he wants more money and
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  Speaker 6: if they're going to give it to him, he'll take
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  Speaker 6: it in whatever form it comes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So what's.
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  Speaker 2: The issue here? Who cares?
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  Speaker 7: How there's not an issue.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't understand how It's like, hey, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of cap problems, but we can pay this guy
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  Speaker 3: more money and it counts less against the cap. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, how does that work? If I came
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  Speaker 3: to you, Vic and I said, congratulations, I'm gonna double
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  Speaker 3: your salary and it's gonna cost us less money to
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  Speaker 3: pay you.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that money now versus money then deferred money.
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  Speaker 6: But what do you think the Dodgers are doing. The
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  Speaker 6: Dodgers are paying show Hay close to a billion dollars,
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  Speaker 6: most of it deferred. Yeah, so in a roundabout way,
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  Speaker 6: this is deferred money.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of the Broncos, you see a
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  Speaker 3: whole bunch of former players came out yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're saying goodbye to the current most Can you
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  Speaker 6: believe all those years in that building over there, all
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  Speaker 6: those years. So I'm old enough to remember when the
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  Speaker 6: Broncos were headquartered on North by twenty five, not too
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  Speaker 6: far away from Fire Flat Irons, Fire and Landscape off
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  Speaker 6: of fifty third Bannock.
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  Speaker 2: Right, not so far from there.
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  Speaker 4: You're not going to believe where the Broncos headquarters used
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  Speaker 4: to be. As you're driving you're driving north on twenty five,
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  Speaker 4: as you get to fifty eighth, on the left hand side,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a furniture row and all those left hand
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  Speaker 4: side on the other.
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  Speaker 5: Side of the freeway on the east side.
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  Speaker 7: Of near the north of the Grizzly Rose.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, there's a was a motorcycle dealership right there on
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  Speaker 5: the off ramp. Behind that was Bronco's head clumps.
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  Speaker 6: They had two trailers, Yeah, two trailers there, and when
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  Speaker 6: John Lay the trade was announced after a Nuggets game,
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  Speaker 6: they held a press conference.
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  Speaker 2: One of those trailers. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So they go from there, they moved to Dumb Valley, sure, and.
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  Speaker 2: Dove Valley at the time was considered the end of
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  Speaker 2: the earth.
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  Speaker 6: Still for me, it is because either on the other
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  Speaker 6: side of town where normal people live, now where you
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  Speaker 6: all live in.
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  Speaker 5: This dude, wrap the road.
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  Speaker 6: I was a Parker the other day. I'm like, what
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  Speaker 6: the hell is Parker? What's going on here? When did
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  Speaker 6: Parker and Puebla become borders?
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  Speaker 5: All of that?
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  Speaker 7: A wrap a hole road like that was?
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  Speaker 5: There was nothing out there, bro.
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  Speaker 2: So they moved to Dove Valley.
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  Speaker 5: They they build a.
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  Speaker 7: Couple of things there.
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  Speaker 6: They had they used to have a bubble in which
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  Speaker 6: they practiced in that got taken down by a storm
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  Speaker 6: one day, right in front of our eyes.
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  Speaker 2: So the building they're in right now, where the where.
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  Speaker 5: The weight room is right now, that was a giant.
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  Speaker 6: Bubble, just a big bottle. Storm comes in, storm comes in,
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  Speaker 6: airs it up. The building that they lived in forever
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  Speaker 6: is going down this week. Sweet, it's going down good.
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  Speaker 2: And then they're moving in formally to the place across
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  Speaker 2: the field.
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  Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety six. I run into al Davis at Dove Valley.
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  Speaker 4: We're just thinking of her, gets out of the limo,
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  Speaker 4: gets out of a limo with his towel. What are
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  Speaker 4: you doing here? I guess he was going to talk
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  Speaker 4: to Pat. I guess I don't know what he was doing,
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  Speaker 4: but he's hole right in front of Broncos Facilita is
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  Speaker 4: a dove valley in the middle of nowhere in his
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  Speaker 4: limo with his towel and heading inside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, to be honest with you, I don't trust the
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  Speaker 3: guy who just carries a towel with him.
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  Speaker 2: Don't like it sweating.
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  Speaker 3: If you're a chef, maybe it makes sense and heat
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  Speaker 3: hot stoves.
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  Speaker 4: I'm curious, though, what do you anticipate learning today at Broncos.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't go.
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  Speaker 4: I still like, I'm just curious what you think you're
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  Speaker 4: going to because because when I can when I can
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  Speaker 4: see guys battling for jobs.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not dumb watching them practice and do the O
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  Speaker 6: T A stuff. I won't learn the damn thing you
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  Speaker 6: learn when you go through the Q and A after practice.
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  Speaker 6: Did you say so you learned?
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  Speaker 7: Davis Webb talking today, you ask questions.
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  Speaker 6: Q and A is usually learning, Like I asked you
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  Speaker 6: a question and I learned what you have to say.
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  Speaker 2: I learned things.
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  Speaker 3: Can you ask a question for me? Because I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: be out of town? Can you ask him what he
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  Speaker 3: thinks of Marvin mims.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he's gonna speak highly of them.
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna be Oh, you're leaving today. Aren't you leaving today?
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  Speaker 5: But I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 7: Are you going?
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  Speaker 5: And your business? He's going to the mountain?
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  Speaker 2: Done your business?
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  Speaker 5: He's going up the mountain, right, aren't you going to
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  Speaker 5: the mountain?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, correct?
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  Speaker 6: But oh, if you're running a massive traffic outside the tunnel,
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  Speaker 6: could I'll live?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Have you ever done let me ask you something.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you haven't here.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't lived here long enough. You ever been outside
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  Speaker 2: the tunnel for four hours?
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  Speaker 6: Because it was so jammed you could move, and everybody
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  Speaker 6: got out of their cars and just start hung around,
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  Speaker 6: talked four hours.
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  Speaker 7: I always try and plant.
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  Speaker 3: I don't go up to the mountains very often, and
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  Speaker 3: I never go in the winter because I'm not a
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  Speaker 3: skier and that just seems like a nightmare. So only
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  Speaker 3: go like in the summer. But I make it a point.
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  Speaker 3: I'm leaving like on a Wednesday at seven o'clock in
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  Speaker 3: the morning. I'm trying to cut down as much as
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  Speaker 3: I can on them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, have you ever done three four hours outside the tunnels?
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  Speaker 7: Nobody's moving?
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  Speaker 4: I haven't done three to four hours. But I've done
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  Speaker 4: an hour.
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  Speaker 5: You've done it. I've done it.
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  Speaker 8: It's healthakes, helpless, helpless stakes.
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  Speaker 7: You're more of a Colorado. No, I just hope it
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  Speaker 7: happens to you. Why because you're leaving.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do too. I think that.
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  Speaker 4: I think that to be a true Colorado you need
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  Speaker 4: to be stuck some point at the Eisenhower Tunnel. Yeah, helplessly,
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  Speaker 4: preferably in the winter time.
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  Speaker 7: And you got a whiz like a racehorse.
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  Speaker 2: Service.
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  Speaker 4: You got a whiz like a racehorse, bro And there's
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  Speaker 4: nowhere to go, nowhere to hide.
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  Speaker 5: You can't climb them ounta and go take a whiz.
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  Speaker 5: Can't do it?
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  Speaker 3: Did you guys see that the Chiefs yesterday gave an
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  Speaker 3: extension to Mahomes. He has now got over half a
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  Speaker 3: billy that he's going to be owed until twenty thirty three.
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  Speaker 3: Just a quick question. We'll talk more about this with Leggy,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure later. The Chiefs have I think, taken a
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  Speaker 3: page out of the Broncos playbook, by the way.
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  Speaker 7: They've invested all.
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  Speaker 3: Of their resources, for the most part, in the defensive
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  Speaker 3: side of the football. Remember they had the sixth overall
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  Speaker 3: pick in the draft, who they take Monsieur de Lane,
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  Speaker 3: that really good corner out of Lay.
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  Speaker 2: Also traded away their best corner though.
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  Speaker 3: They did and brought back Lagerius Snead, who was their
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  Speaker 3: best corner from a couple of years ago. Now he's
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  Speaker 3: been really hurt the last couple of years, so who knows.
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  Speaker 3: But they've done all of this investing in the defense.
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  Speaker 3: There's part of me that thinks the Chiefs can just
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  Speaker 3: you know, rise back to be Kings of the AFC
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  Speaker 3: again this year. And there's part of me that thinks,
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  Speaker 3: even with them getting Kenneth Walker in the offseason, they
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  Speaker 3: have made almost no investments in their weapons in the
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  Speaker 3: passing game.
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  Speaker 7: And I look this up.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's really interesting is Travis Kelsey has aged
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  Speaker 3: his game has has gone down. Now he's thirty six
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  Speaker 3: years old, will be thirty seven in four months. He's
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  Speaker 3: an older guy. It makes sense. So in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey was at the peak of his powers one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and ten catch season, thirteen hundred yards, twelve touchdowns,
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  Speaker 3: best tied end.
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  Speaker 7: In the league, all timer, all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Each year subsequently, the numbers have gone down and down
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  Speaker 3: and down and down to last year, he had seventy
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  Speaker 3: six catches for eight hundred and fifty one yards five touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds like something we'd take in a heartbeat in Denver.
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  Speaker 5: It sutly does.
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  Speaker 3: But for him, that's his worst season that he's had
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  Speaker 3: since his second year in the league.
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  Speaker 7: Do you know what.
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes numbers have done in each year of Travis Kelcey's decline,
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes has declined numbers wise. Here's mahomes numbers and just
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  Speaker 3: tell me if you think this means anything at all,
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  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. That year that I said Travis Kelsey was
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  Speaker 3: at his peak, thirteen hundred yard season, twelve touchdowns. That
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  Speaker 3: was Mahomes' year. We had fifty two hundred passing yards
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  Speaker 3: and forty one td.
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  Speaker 5: That was an insane season.
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  Speaker 3: No, what he's had since then, He's haid forty one
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  Speaker 3: hundred yards and twenty seven touchdowns, fourteen picks, thirty nine
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  Speaker 3: hundred yards, twenty six touchdowns, eleven picks, and last year
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  Speaker 3: in fourteen games, twenty two and eleven for touchdowns to
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  Speaker 3: interceptions and thirty five hundred yards.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've they've been steadily going down. Although the year before,
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  Speaker 4: where did they get.
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  Speaker 7: The year before. Yes, yeah, they get to the Super Bowl. Correct,
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  Speaker 7: So even though.
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  Speaker 4: The numbers may be going down overall as a football team,
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  Speaker 4: they've been getting pretty good on the defensive side.
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  Speaker 5: Of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, but that's the thing, mos, they're off offensive prowess.
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  Speaker 3: That was like, oh my god, they can't be stopped.
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  Speaker 3: Their offense isn't like that and hasn't been for a.
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  Speaker 5: Few for a few years.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not as worried about Kansas City this upcoming. Jeez,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't even speak after that. He just did to
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  Speaker 2: his nose.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not as worried about Kansas City as I am.
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  Speaker 6: The next step that Broncos take the Colt. That's that's
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  Speaker 6: the thing I'm so the subject for me is not
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  Speaker 6: what the opposing teams are like in the division, because
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  Speaker 6: you know they're going to be pretty good, you know that.
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  Speaker 6: My thing is what's the next step for the Broncos.
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  Speaker 6: Can they can they get better offensively?
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  Speaker 3: That their next step is trade for Jalen Model and
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  Speaker 3: help that Davis Webkin will.
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  Speaker 2: Maintain themselves defensively.
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  Speaker 5: By two things.
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  Speaker 4: Number One, you'd be dumb to consider them just an
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  Speaker 4: average team. Now. If the Witch is coming back, if
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  Speaker 4: the wicked Witch of the West of the AMC West is.
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  Speaker 5: Coming back now.
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  Speaker 2: He said they're an average team.
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  Speaker 5: Well no, but Brent's like, can they get.
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  Speaker 3: Their defense is incredible? I'm saying, just their offense, That's
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  Speaker 3: what i was talking about.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we'll find out.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they got Kenneth Walker the third, but you
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  Speaker 4: know what, the but they still have they still have Worthy,
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  Speaker 4: they still have Rice.
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  Speaker 6: They nobody Kansas City like they once did. Can't that
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  Speaker 6: fear factors gone? Okay, so fine, So they're not as intimidating.
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  Speaker 6: So they've come back to the mean a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they had a terrible year.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it happens.
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  Speaker 7: Golden State basketball happens.
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  Speaker 5: Number one, I wouldn't count them out. Number two.
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  Speaker 4: The cole yones on this guy two to criticize a
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  Speaker 4: nose blow.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. I mean that's I mean, the good, the
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  Speaker 3: sane behavior, the absolute gall.
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  Speaker 5: Is a human being that you have is stupefying.
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  Speaker 7: Belly Mose.
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  Speaker 2: I'm back here, inspiring the youth of America.
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  Speaker 7: I'm talking to our special guest.
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  Speaker 2: I did not hear Vic sneeze?
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  Speaker 7: Did he? Did he have a bad one?
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  Speaker 5: Can you give me the nose blow a couple of
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: different things.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it was that's on the air. Brot
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  Speaker 3: had old glass houses whatever. I know, it's just seemed
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  Speaker 3: a little i mean superflow.
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  Speaker 5: The gall it'd be it'd be like it'd be like,
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  Speaker 5: oh my god, it'd be like.
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  Speaker 4: It'd be like Shaye, god man, I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 4: that Uh that ant that guy flops all over the place.
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  Speaker 4: It's disgusting to watch this guy flop. Uh, that's essentially
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  Speaker 4: what he just did.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of the NBA, Jake Coin is going to be
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  Speaker 3: in the studio with us. What can the Nuggets do?
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  Speaker 3: What can they do?
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  Speaker 2: When you're watching the NBA Finals?
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: Are you're watching these games saying, Okay, how did the
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: Nuggets match up if they had to play these teams?
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Right now? I'm asking those questions.
• 14:42
  Speaker 7: Sure you should.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: He'll give us a pathway towards that next All right,
• 14:46
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• 14:48
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• 14:50
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• 14:51
  Speaker 7: Instead we got Jake Coin. Might know by the stat
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: squatch on Twitter. He's with us in studio. First of all, Hi, Jake,
• 14:58
  Speaker 7: how are you?
• 14:59
  Speaker 8: I I'm doing excellent, Happy to be here, Thankful for
• 15:03
  Speaker 8: you guys having me on. I heard you guys talking
• 15:05
  Speaker 8: the other day about the report and the length of it,
• 15:09
  Speaker 8: which I would say shows how important this off season is.
• 15:12
  Speaker 8: But Brett Caine, I got something special.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Just for you today.
• 15:15
  Speaker 7: You got a cliff.
• 15:17
  Speaker 8: I hired out my best graphic designers for a picture book.
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: This is beautiful, fantastic. The C B A A B
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: C pass this over to this is amazing.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: So A is for aggregation, combining salaries in the trade. Okay,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: B is for bi annual exception, a salary exception that
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: some teams can use to sign free agency.
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: This is going to be This is like I just
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: got like a sports category.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Bless you bluss you do.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: That is so good.
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: I'll let you read the rest of that before you
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: get so. I want to apologize.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: Jake on behalf of this show, my co hosts, and
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: everybody at Altitude Sports Radio.
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: Jake, for those of.
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: You that don't know, he is a stat driven analytics
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: genius and every year he comes up with his Nuggets
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: manifesto of what he believes they should be doing in
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: the offseason, the situation they're in, cap wise, their movement
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: what they can and cannot do this year.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Your manifesto is how many pages? Seventy three pages.
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: I say, I tweeted this earlier this week you got
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: to read, so must read.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: For Nuggets fans.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: It is so of course the heathens I work with here,
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: they didn't read crap. I read it because I prepare
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: for the show and we're going to talk about it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: So you guys haven't.
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: Read this to me.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Therefore you should just sort of chill during the second.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: That's why he's here, so you have no knowledge of
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: what he put on paper.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Seventy three pages, like.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Basic question if the president has to be brief and
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: like some sort of military thing.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can read it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: A picture book comes in. You can either read it
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: or just pick a phone, call the guy or we
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: got the guy.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: I got him, and let's call it for what it is.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: I had most saying no offense.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: But it takes a special breed of human that I
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: don't possess. I don't possess the wherewithal nor of the
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: patients Jake to do this, which is why I admire
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: your work. It's completely geeky, total nerd stuff, but it's brilliant.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I wrote that into the business. I wrote stuff
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: down late the ground rules.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Let's go.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: You wrote that the Nuggets in clutch rating in the
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: playoffs were the worst in the playoffs at minus thirty
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: six point eight.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: What happened to.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: Their clutch play? That's where they usually killed teams? Where
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: did it go and why?
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: So clutch brit net rating, for those that don't know,
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: it takes into account your offense and your defense. So
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: how much better are you than your team on both
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: sides of the floor, better than your opponent? I should
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: say what happened is a good question. I think it's
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: probably a combination of things. But I think the number
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: one thing on that list is that the offense is
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: sort of predictable now. The two man game, yes, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: as good as it is, and it's one of the
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: best actions of the last ten years in the NBA,
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: I think won a championship. It did, and it will
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: go down as a legendary one, but I think it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: a little predictable now. And you kind of saw that
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: in the playoffs, how teams could sort of attack Jamal
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: all game hound him the whole way up the court.
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: Didn't quite have the same type of energy at the
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: end of the game, and then add in the predictability factor.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: Is it predictable or did they run into the wrong opponent,
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: Because during the regular season, that predictable offense was the
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: number one offense in the NBA. It was so, how
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: are you so damn good? And then all of a
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: sudden first round you're not. Is it the defense they.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Faced in twenty twenty three.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: It's not like it was a secret they were going
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: to two man games late in those playoffs either when
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: they won a chair and.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: They still did it.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, here's what I would say. Regular season, so Denver
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: was the best jump shooting team in the league this year,
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: and I think that really helps boost your offensive numbers.
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: Now when we've moved to the playoffs and talk just
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: about this clutch stuff. Now you're talking about kind of
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: a different sort of offense. It's more than just your
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: jump shooting. And you run into an opponent that's super
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: familiar with you in the Timberwolves and has the type
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: of defenders that give you problems. I think it was
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: a bad matchup. Like, if you ask me, now, are
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: the Nuggets better than the Timberwolves this last season? I
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: would say, yes, they just are a terrible matchup for him.
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: So bad matchup kind of helped drag down the offense
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: and clutch time in the playoffs this year.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: You know, the other thing I was wondering is, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: we always talk about what went wrong and how to
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: fix it, what do you think is the biggest problem
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: for them moving forward? I mean, obviously they can't retain
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the same roster, but what do you think if you had,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: if you were in charge, what's the one thing you'd
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: pinpoint this offseason?
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so the biggest problem is really just the new
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: CBA and how it limits you. Compared to pass champions
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: twenty years ago, they didn't have these same limitations. But
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: talking about more basketball related stuff, I would say the
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: biggest problem is just a degree of athleticism. And we
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: saw that because Peyton Watson was injured and Aaron Gordon
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: was two best athletes. They're two best athletes, and so
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: I think that makes a really big difference. But in
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: addition to those two, I think you really need to
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: look at adding some more guys.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: I agree wholeheartedly on that, But you know, in going
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: back to the two man game, I would argue that
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: the two man game struggled because that third element to
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: the two man game, Aaron Gordon rolling the baseline in
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: that dunker spot, was missing, or as seventy seven games
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: he's missed over the last two seasons. That's a huge void.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about another thing that you put your finger on.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Joker and Jamal Defensively. We know that offensively they're two
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: of the greatest. Defensively, they were woefull at times.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: How do you fix that?
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Is it fixable?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: I think it is. It's not one hundred percent fixable
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: because I don't think they're great defenders at their core,
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: but it's improvable, I would say, and we saw it
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: in twenty twenty three they were able to reach a
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: level defensively that was good enough for the team to
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: win it all. I think you can get back there,
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: but it's going to take commitment, and it's going to
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: take health, and it's going to take a level of
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: buy in from everyone on the roster to play the
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: defensive system that works around those two guys. So I
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: think it is fixable, even if not one hundred percent.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: So what he wrote and what I loved about his
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: manifesto guys is that he gave different variations of what
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: the Nuggets can do what they and then he offers
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: what he thinks they should do, so different trades they
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: can make me different. One of the problems is you
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: believe this roster and I agree wholeheartedly with you. It's
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: too top heavy. Clearly it's too top heavy, too much.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Money at the top.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Move off the longer contracts and move into shorter contracts,
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: which is easier said than done. If they had to
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: trade one of their bigs, one of their big deals,
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: which one is the most tradable.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: And why, Yeah, outside of Jokich, I think you would
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: have to go with probably Jamal Murray. It's really close
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: between him and Cam Johnson. Because Cam is an expiring deal,
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: teams don't have to take on a lot of financial
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: responsibility with him. But I think it is Jamal just
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: because he's coming off a really great year, an incredible
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: year and all time year. I would even say so.
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: I think it's him. But now you have to decide
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: is what you can get for him worth it. You know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: you don't trade guys just to trade guys. It has
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: to be something that actually works for your team.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: This guy's a proven killer, in the play he is.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: But Jake, at the same time, I know that you
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: said that you would not if you could go back
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: in time, you'd unwind the MPG trade, right, But I
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: guess my my question to you was, how can the
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Nuggets do anything? Because if you have that contract back
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: in the fold, you're hamstrung.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You can't you have they have.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: That contract in order to free up the ability to
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: do anything else.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: This is why he's here because I I think if
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I understand this right, which I guarantee I don't, that
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: you still could have gotten hard Away and Bruce Brown,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: but you couldn't have gotten Jonas, which ended up being
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: the guy you didn't use anyway.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: Right, that's correct. Yeah, So my thing about the MPG
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: trade is kind of this process versus results evaluation. So
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: let's say it's the end of a Nuggets game. They're
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: down by one. We want Jokich taking the shot, right,
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: that's our first option if he misses. Was that a
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: bad choice? No, I don't think it was a bad choice.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: But would I redo it to try and win the game?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: I would see. This is the same thing with this trade.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: Do I think it was a bad choice?
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: No?
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: But given how the season turned out, I would redo it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So you're playing the hindsight game.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: I would And as far as you know what Mose
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: was saying, the contract, you know it is fourteen or
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: fifteen million more than what Cam Johnson is making. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: the Nuggets are already tracking to be a second Apron team,
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: and so the difference that makes isn't quite as big.
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: But just like Brett Kine noted, last year, they did
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: get Jonas because of that deal. So they did use
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: that flexibility last year, which I give them credit.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, So but if you have a top heavy club
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: right now, we all agree, is your only way out
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: trading a big contract, because ag if he was healthy,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: incredibly tradable, eat healthy c B stepping into the new deal,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: that's a very I mean you can.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: If you can trade, you have to attach something. Trade
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: that's corret.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: You don't have any assets to attach.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: So is the only way forward trading a bigot I
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: mean by bigging I mean twenty seven you mean Jamal, Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: You mean Jamal.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: I think there's two ways forward. One, as you say,
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: this roster was good enough, they just weren't healthy, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: you bring everybody back that you can maybe you waive
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: Yonas to save a little bit there, but you bring
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: back everybody that you can. Second option is yes, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: think you do have to trade someone, and I think
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: it starts at the top of the roster. You need
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: to rebalance things. You need to make yourself more flexible
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: for trades during the season. If a player doesn't work out,
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: you need the flexibility to be able to go get
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: someone else. So I think it's one of those two things.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: Am I wrong in thinking this way?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I would put a great deal of emphasis And I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: don't think.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: I couldn't stomach letting Peyton Watson walk for nothing this offseason.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: And I think that there's potential, especially given what you're
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: talking about, if you want to trade Jamal or whatever.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I think there's a pathway where, like a year or
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: two from now, he is Yokich' No. Number two, and
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: he's he's something you don't have, which is an athletic
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: young player that seems to have all the potential in.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: The big ups. He's got big ups.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: How much emphasis would you put on making sure he
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't leave this offseason?
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: Massive emphasis, even if even if he ends up not
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: being part of your future. If we go back and
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: we look at the Warriors team prior to their last
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: title when Kevin Durant left, I believe they didn't let
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: him leave for nothing. They ended up getting the Angelo Russell,
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: I want to say, and then they ended up trading
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: Russell for Wiggins, who was a big part of their
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: twenty two title team. So with Watson, I think he
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: is part of the future, even if you don't think
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: that you want to keep him so that you can use.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: The number gets crazy. The number couldn't get crazy.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: What if Brooklyn, who has plenty of catch space, says
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: we're gonna do as high as we possibly can, approaching
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: thirty million.
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: A year, Honestly I would I would probably match it anyways.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so what you're saying, what you're saying that is,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: let's say he wasn't a part of the future, although
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I think we all hope he is. It's the asset
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: that you need to retain period, that asset that you
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: can then use in the future to do X, Y
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: and Z.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: That's what you're saying.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Not even the guy, although we love the guy, but
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: it's just having the ability to control that asset.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Hold on stop everything because we're talking about it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I'm getting it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: No, But I want to ask this question because everybody
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: wants to see listen, it's not my money. I would
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: love to see them retain everybody and bring more talent
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: in explain what the repeater tax does, because if the
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: Nuggets do not shed underneath that line they.
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: Are for repeater test, it's really not fun.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: What is it?
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: What does it mean?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And why should Nuggets fans know? The definition of repeater tax?
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: Jake, I got this for it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: They just.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: R is for repeater tax, extra luxury tax money you
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: pay if you've been a tax paying team too often recently.
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So first off, a click little rundown on what
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: it is. So luxury tax not repeater tax, luxury tax.
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: If you're let's say, the bracket is two dollars per dollar.
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: So what that means is if I'm spending five million
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: over the tax line at two dollars per dollar, then
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: I'm actually paying ten million. Already, you guys lost, no
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: make sense? I'm in keep.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Going all right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: And then the repeater tax, if you've been a tax
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: paying team too many times recently, that number the two
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: dollars per dollar might actually be four dollars per dollar.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: And so far and.
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: So that number gets exponentially bigger.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: So it goes from really five million cash, I mean
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: that you're spending to twenty million.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: You have to pay per.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: How many teams are in the repeater tax right now?
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: I think I think there's probably like five or six,
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: not too many. Cleveland, I think Clippers, Golden State, Golden State,
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: I imagine, I would imagine Cleveland. They're probably gonna be
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: one if they aren't won yet.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: They had the highest payroll in the NBA.
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they paid the highest tax bill is last year. Yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: so uh yeah, just a handful of teams.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Okay, So to get under that repeater tax line, you
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: would never be able to retain Peyton Watson.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's not possible.
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: And the current team, no, probably not. So the NBA's
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: salary cap this year is like one hundred and sixty
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: five million. If you combine the contracts of Christian Brown,
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray and Jokich, those four guys, that's
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: basically a salary cap worth of guys. Luxury tax line
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: is only thirty six million above that. So now you
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: have to take into account Cam Johnson, Peyton Watson, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: it's just.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Let me play. Let me play the role.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Let me play this role.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: If this is my team and my money, and I'm
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: saying to myself, Okay, i will bite the bullet and
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: pay the repeater tax if I'm one hundred percent sure
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: that this version of the Nuggets, this group is going
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: to contend for a title. Do you believe this version
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: can beat what you've seen in the playoffs?
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: I personally do not, but I think it's a conversation
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: and I think, you know, I don't know one hundred
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: percent that I'm right, but I would lean towards no,
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: which is why in my report I say I would
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: kind of pivot off some guys, maybe pay a smaller
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: tax bill this year, with the idea being maybe next year.
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: You're not a tax paying team at all because now
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: you've shed a bunch of money and you're a really
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: flexible team.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: So you're looking at the gap year approach. Personally, Yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: that's what I said. Remember we've been talking about.
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: I said, it's probably healthier this step the Nuggets to
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: take a step back. That's what I said. In people say, oh,
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: why would you? Because there's why.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: Because the flexibility and I still believe that Joker's got
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: more years in his prime. People aren't so worried about
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: him being expired.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: For some reason. No, he's he's going to be fine.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I've told you, when you see the three at
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: the front of their age, you start to feel someone.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but this guy, But this guy's a different cat.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: He's going to be the same guy to least fifty
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: That being said, Jake.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: That being said, so what you're telling me, Vic's plan,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: the gap plan, it's going to give you more offer
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: up in the future. If you decide to have a
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: gap year, it'll give you more longevity. Perhaps with the
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: big fellaw, who's going to be the same guy at
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: forty that he is right now.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: The only question is does he want to play basketball
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: till he's forty? Probably not.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's what I would say. So basically,
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: the poor ideas you move off of some of your
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: best players this year to get draft picks and to
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: get shorter money, And what that does for you next
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: year is it allows you to trade more draft picks,
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: and then your trade flexibility is not what it is now,
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: which is we can't trade for someone I couldn't trade
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: for someone making fifty million a year. By sending out forty,
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: you can only get forty. But if you're flexible, you
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: can do that. So now you're talking about having draft
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: picks and being able to trade for more money next year.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Say hand, we do this.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Can we keep Drake for another Second's I have way
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: more questions, have way more.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, sorry for nerding out, but this stuff is
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: really I like it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: But it's also very important. Yes, because this is a
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: huge offseason for this team.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, you guys have a picture book, you can
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: go by those, You've read the manifest.
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: Around j I'm good sticker.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Also, have you ever had an entire country angry at you?
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Ever? An entire country wants to hurt jake Coin?
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: Not yet? Well, let's make sure that happens after.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Let's do it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: We'll get the Greeks on you like they were with us.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: More jake Coin next?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: All right, I want one more segment with jake Coin,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: because there's a few things I want to ask him. Typically,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: this is when oh by the way would go on
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  Speaker 5: Let's just do it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: I have a question. Definitely, wasn't it. I have a
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: question for you.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: You said, Uh, with the benefit of hindsight, you wouldn't
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: have done the MPG deal. And I think that makes
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: sense because it gave you the flexibility for yonas valentiunis,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: which sounded cool at the time, but then playoffs started
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: and he didn't really play with the benefit of hindsight.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Was the Calvin Booth approach to this better trying to
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: stack rookie contracts long term lower numbers develop those guys.
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I think there was aspects of his approach that
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: were good and well grounded. The problem that I think,
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: you know, and this is just me talking with his approach,
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: is that when you're drafting in the twenties, the odds
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: of you getting a rotation player are pretty low, and
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: so I think the problem with his approach was they
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: weren't using assets to get up into like the late lottery,
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: like the twelfth pick or the fourteenth pick, where your
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: odds are a lot better of landing a really good player.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: So I think the thought process is good, like, hey,
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: let's get young, let's get cheap, let's get athletic.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: But the process of how.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: He did it, the execution, Yeah, I sort of get
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: the sense that maybe they were so confident in their
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: draft scouting that they were okay with that. But just statistically,
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: the odds of getting a great player that low, well
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: are pretty rough.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And I think.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Just utilizing second round picks as if it's you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: cups of water. In hindsight, you can't throw those second
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: round picks away because they're of value. I mean, look
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: at Io D. Sumnu from Minnesota. Would they would they
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: get four second rounders.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: Three four second round picks and a kind of a
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: whatever salary.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Match, so those things do have value.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: And then gets threw them away three of them for
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: no more Reggie Jackson.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Is what they say. And to move up and get
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Doron Holmes. Yeah, they gave a race, gave away second round.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, so let's get something. Let's get into some of
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: that now, Jake. Let's get into some of the guys
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: who need to come through and play, guys who need
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: to be players. We just mentioned one right there. What
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: is Doron Holmes? Who is Doron Holmes? Well, he look
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: like how good can he be? I mean, I have
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: zero clue on any of those, although we always have
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: high hopes. Isn't it true that some one of these
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: guys have to become.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Players for this team period. You can't keep missing.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: Doron Holmes is probably one of the top names on
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: that list as far as who he is. If you
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: watch like Miles Turner, that would probably be like the
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: top bend outcome for Doron Holmes. I've seen other people
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: say Al Horford, So you're talking about a guy who
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: can hit shots and block shots and be sort of
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: an athlete that way. That's what Doron Holmes is. And
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: if he can reach you know, his seventy percent outcome
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: or something, he would be a really great rotation player
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: for the Nuggets. I think the next name on that
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: list would probably be Christian Brown, who you just paid
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: last summer. He was dealing with injuries this year, so
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: a little grace can be given there, but he needs
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: to come through big time for them next year. And
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: I think we're all aware of the ways that he plays,
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: but they need a big year from Christian next year.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: My favorite part of what you wrote is all of.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: The trade scenarios and the ideas and what's you know?
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: You hear it all the time. Oh, the Nuggets should
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: trade for your honis just not possible.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: You can't do it. The Nuggets should trade for another
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: name that comes up? Who's the four in Cleveland?
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: Evan Mobley?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Just can't do it. I mean you can't do it financially.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: But you do have some trades in there that can
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: be done, and one of them involved Jamal. Marie Ye
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: had a couple scenarios. What could you get in return
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: for Jamal Maurray if you put him on the trademark?
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: What are the kind of players?
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I don't think for Jamal you could get
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: one of those really top tier players or guys like
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: Evan Mobley. Jannis, I don't think you're in that neighborhood.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: I think you're talking about guys who might be at
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: a slightly lower level than Jamal, or guys who are
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: at a similar level but have questions. So by that category,
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: I'm talking about Kawhi Leonard who has some questions with
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: his health in addition to some of the other off
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: the court stuff. Yes, Kyrie Irving who has some health questions.
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: Guys like that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: He's old, or you could sort of trade him down
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: for a lesser player like a Dejonte from New Orleans,
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: but then you also get other players back, So I
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: think it's I think that's the sort of neighborhood we're
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: talking about.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: That's ah, I.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Gotta tell you the approach in that, Like, let's just
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: say hypothetically they trade Jamaal, it would be interesting given
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the two names that you mentioned of the bigger players,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: and what kind of approach that they want, Like are
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: they going to take every year is going to be
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: or we're going to push it for a championship because
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: we have Yokichen that's what we do. Or are they
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: going to do these take a step back thing? And
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I honestly I don't know which is the right way
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to go. But like imagine if they made a trade
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, Kawhi is going to be a nugget.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Now you're like okay, then you're just going all in again.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: This is what we're doing. Like the Avs have done
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: this every year most like there's been they have no
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: assets either, they've given everything up, they got no cap space,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: no draft picks.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: It's like we're in it every single year.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: But they are.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: But we'll hear it from Joe today at noon. They're
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: right there, bro of Co're right there. Yeahs are not
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: right there. In my opinion, these guys are I mean, well,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: the right matchup, but they're they're right there.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: At the the end of season presser for them, when
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Kronky said, I think if we're healthy, we're a sixty
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: win team. They might have been like they might have
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: been if they were healthy all year.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I don't, Jake. What I don't want to do is
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: slough off the injury factor. Having Peyton Watson not be
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: able to play completely unavailable hurts big.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: More is AG. These are two huge cogs.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Now they ain't Joker and Murray, but they make they
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: they make the drink get stirred and you when you
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: don't have both of them.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: But certainly AG.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: To me, it creates so many more problems for your
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: team that it's they're unpluggable. There's no there's no other
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: option besides AG. So I mean health, If he's totally healthy,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: are you feeling good?
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: I think you are feeling good. I think the problem
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: is can you count on it?
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: No, that's the problem.
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: So I think the approach you have to take there
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: is okay, this guy gets injured a lot.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: What do we do about it?
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: Do you try and just count on it, or do
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: you try and do something about it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: So I take the Philadelphia.
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: Seventy six ers for example, who they've made some wrong
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: moves along the way. They have Joel Embiid, and they
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: have decided, in my opinion, to say, we can't count
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: on you anymore. So we're going with Max, We're going
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: with Edgecomb. They did the Paul George deal, which didn't
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: work out for them, but they made themselves not so
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: reliable on the injury prone player. Do the Nuggets need
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: to do that or do they just go into next
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: season and say, hey, we're counting on it, we need it,
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: and we'll see where it goes.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: At the age of thirty, the wisest body breaking down big,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's not old.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know the real answer to that, but can't
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: it come back? We shall find out. I just look
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: at the Nuggets this year and they're almost a mirror
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: image of what the Celtics were last year when the
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Celtics had to shed salary. And look at the Celtics now,
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: it's tough. They're in a situation where they had to
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: read themselves, that had to remake their lineup and it
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: didn't work. So what can the Nuggets learn from that?
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: I think the number one lesson you probably take away
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: from the Celtics last year is don't give up picks
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: to move off money unless you really have to.
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: The Celtics did a good job of.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: Moving like a Drew Holiday without having to give up
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: a lot to do that, So that would be the
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: number one lesson you learn. Number two lesson I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: is come trade deadline time, don't be afraid to upgrade
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: the team. I think the Celtics sort of held their
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: hand a little bit at the trade deadline this year,
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: where if they had made like a one solid move
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: they might still be playing who knows. So I think
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: those are probably the two big lessons you take from them.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, can the Nuggets afford to bring back Tim Hardaway Junior?
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: So the Nuggets can only give Tim Hardaway Junior a
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: twenty percent raise. The Bruce Brown thing, this is the yep,
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: same deal as Bruce Brown from a couple of years ago.
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: The difference being Bruce Brown was coming off a little
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: bit bigger of a deal. Tim Hardaway is just a minimum.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: So if Tim he's gone, if Tim wants to be
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: here he feel bad, he'll be here. But I projected
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: in my report that he has probably gone.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: So that's why they have a first round pick and
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: a second round pick. They may have to just keep
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: those picks for financial reasons.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: To fill out a roster.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, how do you trade away picks if you
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: need to fill your roster?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: You can't do it?
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, with the Nugget situation, you're really looking at the
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: draft and minimum salary contracts to be able to fill
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: that out. So certainly Tim Hardaway Junior a great example
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: of a minimum contract, but they're not all like that,
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: so they're certainly a risk, and I think that's why
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: you definitely need to draft someone this year.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Last, but not least, last question for me, the CBA
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: is convoluted and silly. Some teams like Oklahoma City, as
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: good as they've been, they've also gotten four that the
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: CBA changed when they started to cruing those picks.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yes?
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know in my report how to become more
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: like Okay see, but I also say you can't do
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: it the way they did no under this CBA. And
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: also just the luck they had with this Portrade super
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: fortunate and unfortunately in sports these days, I think a
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: lot of it is luck, whether it's injuries or matchups
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: or roster building.
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: You'll get you in the second round.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Was luck? Let's be honest here. Luck is part of this.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: It's what it is. Yeah, what's your problem?
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: There's another f in there? What it is? Health? Luck?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Health?
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Look? Health luck is do I can't tell you how
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: huge it is man health luck. Both these teams could
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: be playing right now with health luck. You didn't have
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: it because and I would even argue hell, maybe even
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the Nuggets good bye San Antonio, with those guys banged
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: ump because of the matchup and because they've owned the Spurs.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, most your last one again, I lied. We have
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: an analytical mind.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: With us, Jake coin as Brittany seventy three page manifesto
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: on the Nuggets.
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: But I have to leave you with this.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Would you call them manifesto or do you call it
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: just a report?
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Whatever, I'll leave you with this, Jake, analytically speaking, was
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: it okay for me with the Spurs leading by twenty
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: nine points to turn the game off last night to
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: watch Project Hail Mary with the understanding that the Spurs
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: had that game one.
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: Is it okay, Well, that's a good question. I would
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: say yes. At the time, we saw a one in
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: one hundred thousand outcome last night, probably one in ten thousand. Maybe, yeah,
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: I would say you were okay. I'm goody good guys.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: He gave me clearance. I'm good.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I did the same thing that is head of NBA
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Research for Stats performed, Jake Coin.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: He's our experts.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Well, tell him to tell him how to find all
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: your stuff.
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so pretty much my stuff will just all be
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: on X so I am at the stat Squatch and
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: all my reports stats during the season. You'll be able
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: to find right there.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: J K c o y any find Jake Cory now
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: on you throw out his nuggets article on our altitude,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: sr social and everything else.
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: Jake always appreciate it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, by the way, for my elementary
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: school pictionary book that explains all the details.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: We are absolutely well, you're not taking that home. That's
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: gonna be that's gonna hang up.
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: On the wall when we we are going to.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: Pull it aside. What is it? What is X four?
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: I was just looking at it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: X is for exhibit ten contract which your team signs
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: a player when they want them to stick around and
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: join their.
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: G League team. Okay, yeah, Jake, thanks so much, buddy.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it again at the stat Squatch on Twitter.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: It's Jake Coin. Jeff Lakewald next,