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'HIGHLY EDUCATED BEAUTY' Sucks Bong, Stabs Date 108 TIMES IN 'POT FRENZY,' GETS ZERO JAIL TIME · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a young son, a brother,
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Speaker 1: a first generation Irish American great grades athlete, studying his
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Speaker 1: head off to pass the grueling CPA exam. This is
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Speaker 1: every parent's dream come true. So why was this golden
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Speaker 1: boy Chad Emilia brutally stabbed? Dead? Stabbed over one hundred times?
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Speaker 1: We think one hundred and eight times, but all of
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Speaker 1: you legal eagles that after multiple stabbings, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: tell how many times someone was stabbed because of overlapping,
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Speaker 1: But we can document one hundred and eight times, and
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Speaker 1: you may think, like many sage crime fighters do, he
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Speaker 1: stabbed one hundred and eight times? What was he doing wrong?
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you nothing? This truly is the golden
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Speaker 1: boy scrubbed in sunshine. And then we learn the woman
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Speaker 1: who stabs her date over one hundred times was in
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Speaker 1: a weed induced frenzy. Now ask yourself what could be
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Speaker 1: worse than losing your child. Many of you know my
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Speaker 1: fiance was murdered shortly before our wedding, and I thought
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Speaker 1: I knew it all about grief in mourning deep depression
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Speaker 1: until a few years ago when I had the twins.
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Speaker 1: And now I know that nothing could be worse than
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Speaker 1: losing your child except for one thing, losing your child
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Speaker 1: to murder and the murderer get straight probation. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now, including Becca Whitnall at Thousand Oaks, Acorn,
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Speaker 1: Andy Kahn, victims' rights advocate, doctor Othan Menna, medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: Robin Draeke, former FBI behavioral expert dot Org, Chris Mahandi,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist and author, Audrey Newzigger, the Special District Attorney
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Speaker 1: Deputy DA on this case. But first, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go to a very special guest joining me. It's Sean Amelia,
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Speaker 1: Chad's father. How did an evening that started so innocently
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Speaker 1: go so horribly wrong? One hundred plus stabbings on your
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Speaker 1: beautiful boy. The moment I saw him, all I could
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Speaker 1: think about is my big boy, John David Lynch. When
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Speaker 1: did you learn about what happened? Sean?
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Speaker 2: It was the morning of May twenty eight, It was
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Speaker 2: about ten fifteen am in the morning. To Sheriff's deputies
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Speaker 2: came in my home and they they were explaining to me. Initially,
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Speaker 2: actually they were trying to determine if I was Chad's father,
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Speaker 2: and when we you know, I gave him that information
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Speaker 2: made Wait.
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Speaker 1: Where were you? Were you in the kitchen having coffee?
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Speaker 1: Were you getting ready for what was happening?
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Speaker 2: Actually I was coming down from a home that I
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Speaker 2: own about or owned four houses up the street from
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Speaker 2: where I live because my parents, my mother and my stepfather,
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Speaker 2: he had progressed into dementia. So I picked up that
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Speaker 2: home hoping that they would move into it. But by
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Speaker 2: the time it was finished being renovated, he had passed,
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Speaker 2: so she never moved into that house.
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Speaker 1: So you guys all grew up as a big extended family.
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Speaker 1: You're all Irish, you came to the US, and your
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Speaker 1: son was the first generation American.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct. Yes, So so the the gentleman asked me,
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Speaker 2: you know, he showed me a picture. Chad had a
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Speaker 2: tattoo of what's called the Triquetra. It's a Celtic Irish
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Speaker 2: symbol on his forearm and it symbolizes the father's son
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Speaker 2: in the Holy Spirit and the unity of all things
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Speaker 2: in the world. And that's how They asked me to
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Speaker 2: identify him, and I said, yeah, that's my son's tattoo.
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Speaker 2: And then I said, I'm extremely worried about what you're
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Speaker 2: doing right now. What's going on?
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Speaker 1: And okay, wait a minute, let me understand something, mister Amelia.
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Speaker 1: Guys you were hearing Sean Amelia. This is Chad's father
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Speaker 1: and he comes up to his home and meet there's
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Speaker 1: LA law enforcement and they what would you do if
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Speaker 1: somebody says, does your son have a tattoo of the father,
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Speaker 1: the son and the holy ghost? I would want to
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Speaker 1: know what's going on? The worst would go through my mind.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 2: Well, I, you know, gave them acknowledgment. Yes, that's that's
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Speaker 2: my son's tattoo. And I said, what's going on? And
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Speaker 2: then they asked me immediately. There's two of them. They said,
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Speaker 2: what can you tell us about his girlfriend? And I
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Speaker 2: looked at him and I said, he doesn't have a girlfriend.
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Speaker 2: And that's when they turned and looked at each other,
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Speaker 2: kind of surprised, and I said, you guys are really
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Speaker 2: you know, you guys are really worrying me at this point.
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Speaker 2: What is going on? And you know, Chad was he
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Speaker 2: was an incredibly strong young man. He was very fit,
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Speaker 2: very tough, and the sheriff said to me, well, he's
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Speaker 2: been stabbed. And at that moment, you know, I thought, okay,
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Speaker 2: I need to go see him wherever he is. I
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Speaker 2: just thought he'd be in a hospital somewhere or you know,
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Speaker 2: he was not. You know, you know, I didn't even
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Speaker 2: it didn't even dawn on me occur to me that
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Speaker 2: what he was going to say next, because I said, well,
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Speaker 2: I want to go see him. Where is he? And
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Speaker 2: he said, we cannot allow you to go to this scene.
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Speaker 2: He's deceased. And that's when that's when I realized, you
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Speaker 2: know that, you know, I just I just couldn't believe
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Speaker 2: what happened. So I literally dropped to my knees and
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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe what they had told me. And at
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Speaker 2: that point, just by by coincidence, one of my uncles,
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Speaker 2: who is the matriarch of our family, he just happened
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Speaker 2: to pull up into my driveway, and you know, thinking
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Speaker 2: that he did, because you know, he kind of pulled
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Speaker 2: me together and then we all went into the kitchen.
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Speaker 2: I went into the kitchen with the two sheriffs and
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Speaker 2: my uncle and I had to explain to him what
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Speaker 2: they had just told me. He couldn't believe it. And
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Speaker 2: then the sheriff asked me right after that, I said, look,
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Speaker 2: we need to notify his mother. Do you want to
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Speaker 2: do that or do you want us to do it?
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Speaker 2: And I said, well, I don't want her to find
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Speaker 2: out the way I just found out, so I will
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Speaker 2: take care of it. And I called her immediately, and
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Speaker 2: she had an appointment that she was headed to, and
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Speaker 2: I asked her to cancel the appointment, and I drove
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Speaker 2: to her home, which was very close to my home,
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Speaker 2: and I sat her down and I, you know, I
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Speaker 2: had to tell her. I'd say, you know, Michelle, I
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Speaker 2: just got some really bad dude had Chad. You know,
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Speaker 2: he's dead, and you know from that moment forward, mean,
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Speaker 2: I just you know, she just it was like it
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Speaker 2: was like literally was like looking into her eye and
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Speaker 2: seeing something something just break in a human being. They're
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Speaker 2: seeing anything like before. But that's what happened. And I
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Speaker 2: was concerned about leaving her because I had to. Obviously
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Speaker 2: the next person I had to go drive and tell
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Speaker 2: was my mother, and they were very close and he
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Speaker 2: I just you know, reached out to her sister and said,
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Speaker 2: you need to come here. She cannot be here by herself.
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Speaker 2: And she has really good friends, strong friends, so they
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Speaker 2: came and supported her, and then I left and I
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Speaker 2: had about an hour and forty five minute drive to
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Speaker 2: get to my mom's house. And I remember, you know,
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Speaker 2: telling my mom to tell my mom, but you know,
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Speaker 2: the same thing. I sat her down and just said, mom,
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Speaker 2: And she knew something was wrong because I was there
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Speaker 2: with my uncle Nol and my uncle Christopher. I took
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Speaker 2: them with me, and my uncle Nole actually drove me there,
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Speaker 2: and you know, she goes, what's going on? And I
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Speaker 2: just said, well, Mom, I got some really bad I said,
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Speaker 2: chat Is, chat is deceased, and you know, I could
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Speaker 2: see that she was in dock, but she she excuse me.
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Speaker 2: She reached out and she grabbed old knee and she
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Speaker 2: just looked at me and said, well, you know, Sean,
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Speaker 2: he's in a better place than we are. And that's
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Speaker 2: what she said to me. So that's kind of how
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Speaker 2: the initial understanding of his loss went for me and
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Speaker 2: our family.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you were hearing the father of chat Amelia literally
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Speaker 1: scruffed in sunshine. And I'm not saying that this perfect
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Speaker 1: boy life is any more or less valuable than anybody else's.
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Speaker 1: It just the irony, the bad taste of a kid
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Speaker 1: growing up and doing everything right, and then out of
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Speaker 1: the blue, this boy stabbed over a hundred times by
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend. She in a weed induced frenzy. And everybody
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Speaker 1: across the country that's legalizing pot saying it's okay, it's fine,
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Speaker 1: it's not. It is not. I know I'm the voice
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Speaker 1: of the wilderness on this, but I've seen so many
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Speaker 1: victims fall prey to pot. That's not the issue today.
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Speaker 1: That's a much different argument. The issue today is his
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Speaker 1: killer is walking free on straight probation. Time Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Greece to Audrey Nfzigger, Venture County Senior Deputy District
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Speaker 1: Attorney who prosecuted this case. She did not agree with
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Speaker 1: straight probation. This was not a deal. You know, you
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Speaker 1: can either plead guilty with the plea deal that the
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Speaker 1: state agrees with the defense and they present it to
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Speaker 1: the judge. You can plead blind plea where you plead
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Speaker 1: guilty and you just throw yourself on the judge's mercy,
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Speaker 1: or you can go to trial. This was not an
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Speaker 1: agreed deal, so don't hold this against her. My question
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Speaker 1: to you, Audrey, is when you hear mister Amelia speaking,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, for all the years I prosecuted
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Speaker 1: violent crimes, I would add that pain to my own
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Speaker 1: heart and I carry it around to this day. Does
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Speaker 1: it ever become staggering to you? Because sometimes it did
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Speaker 1: to me. I would have to pull off the road
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Speaker 1: when I would leave the courthouse sometimes and just cry.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I couldn't let anybody else see me cry
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Speaker 1: because that would be weak. But when you hear mister
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Speaker 1: Amelia telling his story, and you know his killer who
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Speaker 1: voluntarily took pot smoke pot, it got so high she
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Speaker 1: stabbed him. That's not in question. It's not who did it,
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Speaker 1: she did it. How does that hit you, Audrey.
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Speaker 3: Nthy You said it exactly right. I carry I carry this,
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Speaker 3: the trauma, the pain. I don't know the pain that
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Speaker 3: Sean knows, but it deeply impacts me. And listening to him,
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Speaker 3: I mean, I brought the tissue box over and it's
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Speaker 3: just how can anyone not feel the humanity of losing
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Speaker 3: chat Amelia.
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Speaker 4: It's just a horrible thing.
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Speaker 3: And in compounding it in this case was the extraordinarily
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Speaker 3: graphic video that I had to watch.
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Speaker 4: I don't even know how many times, maybe one hundred times,
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Speaker 4: and it's it's just something you can never unsee and
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Speaker 4: it's very it's horrible, the horrible thing to experience. And
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Speaker 4: I think as a prosecutor, you know, we harness, we
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Speaker 4: harness that pain and we use it to get through
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Speaker 4: horrible trials and to bring justice as as we can.
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Speaker 4: And that's what I did.
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Speaker 1: You know to Andy Kahn joining me, colleague and Fred,
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Speaker 1: director of Victim Services at Crime Stoppers Houston, Andy, I
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Speaker 1: know how much you research every case that you advance.
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Speaker 1: When I look and I know you've seen pictures of
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Speaker 1: my son John David. When I look at Chad, this
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Speaker 1: guy that smile, he's got a million dollar smile, just
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Speaker 1: full of life, full of happiness, it just kills me
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Speaker 1: to think what this judge has done.
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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, crime victims in this case is like
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Speaker 5: the poster child. They are no longer victims under the
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Speaker 5: guise of this new criminal justice reform that we seem
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Speaker 5: to be operating on the defendants like this lady, they
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Speaker 5: are now the new victims and actual crime victims are
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Speaker 5: basically treated as non entities and Here's what I really
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Speaker 5: find fascinating. So they're claiming this cannabis induced psychosis that
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Speaker 5: led her to stabbing Chad over one hundred times. The
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Speaker 5: lead was purchased at this local dispensary. Amazingly, you tell
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Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. But that's the only case that
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Speaker 5: I've seen, and we're going on six years. So it's
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Speaker 5: not like people who purchased this type of marijuana all
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Speaker 5: of a sudden get this psychosis induced and they go
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Speaker 5: around stabbing people to death. This is a precedent setting
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Speaker 5: decision that's going to have far reaching consequences for future
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Speaker 5: case is the impact of this decision is frightening.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Becca Whitnall, Editor one thousand Oaks Acorn
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Speaker 1: at Acorn Newspapers, Becca, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Who is this judge Worley? David Whorley?
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Speaker 6: I believe, well he's a vent Terry Commy superior courting judge,
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Speaker 6: and I keep asking myself the same thing. I kind
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Speaker 6: of wonder why you even have a jury if you're
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Speaker 6: ruling is going to kind of almost negate what they found.
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Speaker 1: So, Becca Whittnall, regarding this judge, I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: Why bother to go through the time and expense of
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Speaker 1: having a jury when you're going to negate everything they
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Speaker 1: do and just sentence the guy to straight probation. I've
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Speaker 1: seen this before in a murder. It was in the
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Speaker 1: Louise Woodward ou Pair murder where she murdered baby Matthew Eapan.
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Speaker 1: The jury came back with a homicide conviction and the
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Speaker 1: judge sentenced her to straight probation. And they came back,
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Speaker 1: as I recall, with either a murder of voluntary not involuntary,
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Speaker 1: and the judge just took it upon himself to give
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Speaker 1: straight probation. It has happened before, and that is why
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Speaker 1: I am calling for a recall. I don't want this
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Speaker 1: judge to just slither off the bench and enjoy retirement.
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Speaker 1: I want to recall effort on David Whory because what
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Speaker 1: he did was wrong. To you, Sean Amelia, I've looked
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Speaker 1: up worly. He was basically an ambulance chaser in a
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Speaker 1: law firm and then somehow got appointed to the bench
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Speaker 1: and then ran. What is your response to what the
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Speaker 1: judge did, Sean, Well.
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Speaker 2: I have to agree with you know what Becka just said.
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Speaker 2: I don't there are two things that happened that I
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Speaker 2: don't even understand why we were put through them and
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Speaker 2: after what he did. You know, obviously, the first is,
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Speaker 2: you know, the good people of the County of Ventura
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Speaker 2: did their civic duty. They listened to the evidence, they
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Speaker 2: listened to the facts, and they came to a unanimous
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Speaker 2: decision in a very short period of time. And you know,
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Speaker 2: the DA then asks for the maximum time. Then you
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Speaker 2: have the probation officer recommending Failuy jail time. And then
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, all of that collective information gets
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Speaker 2: put in the hands of one individual where there's no
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Speaker 2: checks and balances on and at that point he can
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Speaker 2: do whatever he wants. So I, in my opinion, he
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Speaker 2: failed Chad, he failed the people of Ventura County.
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Speaker 1: He just he.
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Speaker 2: Really did not do in my opinion, he didn't do
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Speaker 2: his job reviewing it objectively and seeing this in whom
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Speaker 2: the fact person as an individual. He was too focused,
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Speaker 2: I believe, on the perpetrator of the crime as an
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Speaker 2: individual and not on the facts of the case.
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Speaker 1: Two. Doctor Chris Mohandi joining US forensics psychologist, author of
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Speaker 1: Evil Thoughts Wicked Deeds. Doctor Mahondi, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. I was listening to what Sean Amelia was
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Speaker 1: saying as he described being told his son had been stabbed.
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Speaker 1: His immediate reaction was much like mine was when Keith
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Speaker 1: was murdered. I thought, if I could just get to him,
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Speaker 1: I could fix it. I could get him to the
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Speaker 1: right hospital, the right doctor, we could perform the right
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Speaker 1: surgery or methods, and everything was going to be fine.
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Speaker 1: That did not happen. It's almost as if you can't
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Speaker 1: take in what you're hearing. What is that psychological phenomena?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's just so traumatic and overwhelming to
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Speaker 7: be presented with the idea that somebody that you you know,
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Speaker 7: that you're you know, so basically attached to as your
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Speaker 7: own child, as as a parent. There's no way, It's unfathomable.
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Speaker 7: It's just something that your your mind is incapable of processing.
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Speaker 7: It's too much so that denial is the first thing
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Speaker 7: that comes up.
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Speaker 2: No, this can't be.
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Speaker 7: And that is actually the beginning of the grief process,
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Speaker 7: is that denial. But it's it's just such a powerful
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Speaker 7: thing because it goes to that basic, you know, attachment
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Speaker 7: as well as the idea that you know what your
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Speaker 7: your kids We're not supposed to see our kids, you know,
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Speaker 7: pass away and die from many cause we're supposed to
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Speaker 7: go first.
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Speaker 1: I think it's that the idea that your son or
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Speaker 1: your fiance has been murdered is so out of left
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Speaker 1: field that your mind tries to apply your normalcy to
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Speaker 1: what you're hearing and somehow in your mind fix it
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Speaker 1: and make it something acceptable. I don't think your mind,
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a shrink can take it in. What
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Speaker 1: exactly happened? How did the judge reads this outrageous decision
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Speaker 1: that a woman and a pot induced frenzy who stabs
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend one hundred and eight times should walk free.
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Speaker 1: What happened that night? Listen to investigative reporter Nicole part Vinnie.
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Speaker 8: Olivera is upstairs in his room when he hears the
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Speaker 8: sounds of things breaking downstairs. Taking a look down the stairs,
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Speaker 8: Olivera sees Omelia and Spacher's dogs together on the landing area,
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Speaker 8: looking scared. Heading downstairs, Olivera sees furniture toppled. The couch
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Speaker 8: is flipped over and covered in blood, and Omelia is
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Speaker 8: severely wounded. Olivera says there is a hole where his
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Speaker 8: heart is with blood everywhere, and o'melia says, Vinnie, please
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Speaker 8: help me. She stabbed me. Vinnie Olivera runs back upstairs
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Speaker 8: to get his phone to call.
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Speaker 1: For help to doctor Othan Minna, Ventura County Assistant Chief
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, who performed the autopsy on this young man,
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Speaker 1: Chad Amelia, Doctor Othen Minna. The chairs were turned over,
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Speaker 1: furniture was tumbled around. It was clearly violent, very violent.
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Speaker 1: He tried to protect himself. But is there any way
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Speaker 1: that someone can be saved if they've been stabbed in
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Speaker 1: the heart? Was he stabbed in the heart or did
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Speaker 1: it just look that way to the roommate.
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Speaker 9: Yes, he was stabbed in the heart and also the
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Speaker 9: lungs and liver. That's actually where most of the severe
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Speaker 9: injuries were located, in the chest and back along with
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Speaker 9: his neck.
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Speaker 1: Can anyone survive a stab to the heart, doctor.
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Speaker 9: Mana, Well, it depends on the severity. Since it's a
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Speaker 9: superficial injury and medical aid is rendered shortly after, it's
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Speaker 9: certainly possible, but not when there was this much blood
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Speaker 9: loss and multiple other sites that were injured that were
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Speaker 9: also bleeding.
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Speaker 1: According to the defense, the defendant in this case, a
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Speaker 1: girlfriend Brent Spacher had a quote psychotic break from reality
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Speaker 1: and that therefore her use of cannabis pot was involuntary.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the law is very clear, is it not,
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Speaker 1: Audrey and f Zigger that voluntary use of drug for
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Speaker 1: alcohol is not a defense, never a defense unless you
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Speaker 1: the defendant are completely comatose. And she's not comatose because
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Speaker 1: she's throwing over sofas and coffee tables and stabbing the
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Speaker 1: victim over one hundred times. So her voluntary use of
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Speaker 1: pot is not going to be a defense.
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Speaker 3: That's correct. That's exactly what the laws says, and that's
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Speaker 3: what the jury found in this case.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, doctor Mahondi joining us. Did
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Speaker 1: you administer a psychological test too Spachure before trial? Did
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Speaker 1: you learn anything about the amount of pots she ingested?
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Speaker 7: Well, the psychological test, like the MMPI two which is
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Speaker 7: what I used, the Multi Minnesota Multi Phasic Personality Inventory two,
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Speaker 7: does not have anything to do with determining how much
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Speaker 7: cannabis she ingested. That's derived from the toxicology that was
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Speaker 7: from the blood drop, the hospital and so forth. So
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Speaker 7: that testing posts, you know, event that I did from
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Speaker 7: a psychological standpoint is not what's going to result in
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Speaker 7: the you know, cannabis induce psychost That's not what's going
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Speaker 7: to result in the cannabis induce psychosis diagnosis. That's derived
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Speaker 7: from the fact that there was nothing else in her
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Speaker 7: that she did test positive for THHC, and that she
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Speaker 7: has no other history, no other agents that could have
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Speaker 7: caused it, and that it remitted. That means the symptoms
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Speaker 7: went away as soon as she came down from the
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Speaker 7: intoxicating properties of it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I understand. So her state of mind was
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Speaker 1: completely due to smoking a bong. I don't get it,
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Speaker 1: Sean Amelia. This is Chad's dad. When someone is drunk
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Speaker 1: out of their gourd and they have a car crash
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Speaker 1: and kill a young man, they go down for vehicular homicide, right,
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Speaker 1: So why is this any different? She was sucking on
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Speaker 1: a bong and then went into a pot frenzy and
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Speaker 1: murdered Chad. How is that different?
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Speaker 6: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it is different. And not being an attorney,
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Speaker 2: it's very hard for people that just go to work
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Speaker 2: every day to take care of their families to understand
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Speaker 2: how you stab somebody one hundred and eight times and
27:39
Speaker 2: you you don't go to prison. There's a I think
27:43
Speaker 2: there's a case pending right now. It's going to be
27:46
Speaker 2: very interesting to hear what the outcome is. It's the
27:49
Speaker 2: Rebecca Grossman case. I understand she ran over two people,
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Speaker 2: and it'll be interesting to see if she's treated differently.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious why the judge thought the
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Speaker 1: pot is any different, because isn't it true? Becco Whitnall
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Speaker 1: joining us from Thousand Oaks Acorn at the time, Spacher
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Speaker 1: stated she had taken one puff of a bog but
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Speaker 1: did not want to smoke anymore. Then she blames the victim,
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Speaker 1: claiming he urged her to smoke more and that what
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Speaker 1: two or three more puffs made her go into a frenzy.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that for one minute. She's lying.
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Speaker 6: Apparently she had taken the first hit and told ched
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Speaker 6: she wasn't feeling anything, so he says, oh, let me
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Speaker 6: reload it, and and she takes the second hit in
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Speaker 6: that when all hell breaks though.
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Speaker 1: I find it really hard to believe that she was
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Speaker 1: in a frenzy after two puffs on a bong. But
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Speaker 1: that said, what else do we know happened that evening?
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Speaker 10: Nanny, Olivera runs back down the stairs, dialing nine to
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Speaker 10: one one on his cell phone. Olivera sees bren Spager's
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Speaker 10: attack on Chad o'melia hasn't ended. She still him as
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Speaker 10: he's fallen to the ground. Olivera is now outside the condo,
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Speaker 10: screaming for help, crying as he tries to explain to
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Speaker 10: nine to one one what is happening, but says he's
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Speaker 10: in some type of shock and remembers little of what
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Speaker 10: happens next. He does remember police arriving on the scene
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Speaker 10: and hearing what he thought were stun guns going off
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Speaker 10: a few times. The voices that bren Spacher and only
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Speaker 10: Brin Spachrier is hearing, are telling her she has to
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Speaker 10: keep fighting, she has to keep doing what she's doing.
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Speaker 10: What she is doing is stabbing chat o'melia at least
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Speaker 10: one hundred and eight times, as well as her dog
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Speaker 10: and herself. According to Sergeant Stephen Jenkins. Spacher says the
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Speaker 10: more violent she is, the more she feels like she
29:36
Speaker 10: is coming back to life.
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Speaker 1: Robin Drake joining me behavior expert, former FBI Special Agent
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Speaker 1: and chief of FBI Counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, author
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Speaker 1: of Sizing People Up a veteran FBI Agents Manual for
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Speaker 1: Behavior prediction. Let me throw a legal phrase on you, Latin.
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Speaker 1: She's thing lying her story. It's all over the place.
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Speaker 1: First she has one suck on a bong, and then
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Speaker 1: she doesn't want to smoke anymore. Next thing, I know,
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Speaker 1: she's gone into a pot frenzy. Now she's saying she
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Speaker 1: heard voices.
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Speaker 11: Whatsology.
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Speaker 12: That's about the level of my phraseology to Nancy. This
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Speaker 12: case is so complex. Yeah, I know the case is
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Speaker 12: so complex, and I've taken the anes and it's confusing.
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Speaker 13: But when so confusing, I'm looking at behavior arcs all
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Speaker 13: over the place on this one. I think that's what
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Speaker 13: the judges too, are trying to figure out the judge's
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Speaker 13: sentencing because what's his behavior arc that made him get
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Speaker 13: such a light sentence to encountermine basically what the jury said,
30:42
Speaker 13: And then what's her behavior arc because.
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Speaker 2: This is her behavior was complete deviation, which.
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Speaker 11: Then makes a lot of incongruencies and makes it very
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Speaker 11: unbelievable for people. But the bottom line here, this whole
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Speaker 11: thing is e roaded trust and confidence in the legal
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Speaker 11: system because there's such an in congruins between the sentenceing
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Speaker 11: and between what the jury said, and there's victims everywhere,
31:05
Speaker 11: and like has been said earlier, they're they're making the
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Speaker 11: perpetrator of the crime the victim. And that's the new
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Speaker 11: trend that has become scary in the whole system.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that too, Andy, conn she's somehow trying
31:20
Speaker 1: to blame him for what she did. And did you
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Speaker 1: hear that. After the roommate sees what's happening, he thinks
31:28
Speaker 1: it's over, he wants to call nine one one, and
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Speaker 1: the victim check is still saying help me, he's still alive.
31:36
Speaker 1: He comes back the roommate and she's attacking him again. Andy.
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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, I've actually lost track of how many people,
31:44
Speaker 5: especially victims of violent crime, have been victimized under this
31:48
Speaker 5: new realm of criminal justice reform and the rights that
31:52
Speaker 5: you and I and other victim advocate trailblazers have now
31:55
Speaker 5: been essentially steamrolled and they're pushed under the carpet. And
31:59
Speaker 5: then name a criminal justice reform. I wish I could
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Speaker 5: say this is an anomaly, but it's not. It's part
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Speaker 5: of a pattern. Listen to the judge's own statement where
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Speaker 5: he said, through no fault of her own, that being
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Speaker 5: the offender. The defendant was out of touch with.
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Speaker 1: Reality as through no fault of her own.
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Speaker 5: That's not true, I agree, But this is what the
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Speaker 5: judge is basing his decision on. This is his perspective,
32:29
Speaker 5: and that's what we're seeing all over the country right now.
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Speaker 2: You have statements saying.
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Speaker 5: That, oh gosh, the poor little defendant, she's never going
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Speaker 5: to lead a normal life.
32:41
Speaker 2: She has now wait for this.
32:44
Speaker 5: Now her medical license and ability to help deaf people
32:48
Speaker 5: is at risk. And basically Chad is a non entity.
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Speaker 5: He doesn't exist anymore. And that's why I firmly believed
32:57
Speaker 5: in cases like this, and Dad listened to me, and
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Speaker 5: I'll be more than happy to help you.
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Speaker 2: Your son has.
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Speaker 5: To be a catalyst for change. This has got to
33:06
Speaker 5: stop where basically victims are now being treated as non
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Speaker 5: entities and defendants are now being treated as a new
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Speaker 5: victim in this new era of criminal justice reform.
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Speaker 1: So she's upset that her training as an audiologist to
33:25
Speaker 1: help deaf people could be revoked or impaired because she's
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Speaker 1: a murderer. That's what she's worried about. Did I get
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Speaker 1: that right shot?
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Speaker 5: That's correct?
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Speaker 1: Okay, what else do we know happened that day. Listen
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Speaker 1: to Sidney Summer Crime online.
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Speaker 14: When police arrived, they find Shad o'melia dead from over
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Speaker 14: one hundred stab wounds in Brent Speecher crying and screaming
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Speaker 14: hysterically while still holding the bloody knife in her hands.
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Speaker 14: The Ventura County Star reports Officers find Speecher in a
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Speaker 14: pool of blood holding a knife, and as officers try
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Speaker 14: to disarm her, officers use a teaser in several baton
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Speaker 14: blows before before they were able to finally disarm Speecher,
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Speaker 14: along serrated bread knife is taken from her hands. Chattle
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Speaker 14: Melia is dead at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Baton blows and a taser to calm this woman down,
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Speaker 1: and she's worried about her license? Is that correct? Becca
34:20
Speaker 1: Whitnall after Crouch.
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Speaker 6: I think it was nine blows with the baton before
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Speaker 6: they could get her to let go of the knife
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Speaker 6: that she was stabbing herself with.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you say she was stabbing herself. Wait
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Speaker 1: a minute. I see the pictures. I see them. Those
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Speaker 1: are completely superficial. She doesn't even have a stitch.
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Speaker 6: Nothing I have to say in court, it seems the
34:43
Speaker 6: parties agreed that had the police, not or the sheriff's
34:47
Speaker 6: officers not gotten that knife out of her hands, that
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Speaker 6: she likely would have suffered much more. She did have
34:54
Speaker 6: to go to the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Did she get stitches?
34:56
Speaker 6: I would know that she got stitches. I know she
34:58
Speaker 6: was in the hospital for.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. Looking right at her, I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at the scratches. Scratches. No, she stabbed this boy
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Speaker 1: to death and she is walking free. Now brace yourselves,
35:17
Speaker 1: listen to this.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't take the jury very long to find Brin
35:21
Speaker 8: Spacher guilty of killing Chad O'melia. The couple had only
35:25
Speaker 8: dated for a couple weeks when Spaecher attacks Omelia after
35:29
Speaker 8: she takes two hits from his bong. There is blood
35:32
Speaker 8: evidence I witness from the roommate, and when police arrive
35:36
Speaker 8: on the scene, she was holding the bloody knife in
35:38
Speaker 8: her hand. But she wasn't convicted of first degree murder
35:42
Speaker 8: like she was originally charged. Spacher is convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 1: Question to you, Audrey V. Zigger, Ventira County Senior Deputy
35:52
Speaker 1: District Attorney who worked this case, why was the Why
35:55
Speaker 1: were the charges reduced? Because the jury never even had
35:59
Speaker 1: a chance to look at murder.
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Speaker 4: Did they that's correct. I'm the second attorney on the case.
36:03
Speaker 3: And when we got when I got this case, how
36:06
Speaker 3: the defense finally produced to us their defense strategy of
36:11
Speaker 3: marijuana and do psychosis. And so we then hired doctor
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Speaker 3: Mahondi because he is an expert in this area and
36:19
Speaker 3: in friends of psychology in general. And he did the
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Speaker 3: test and he evaluated to her. He went through all
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Speaker 3: of the evidence, including the video evidence. And it's very hard.
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Speaker 2: I think it's very.
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Speaker 3: Hard for people to grapple with the idea that that
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Speaker 3: is what happened here.
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Speaker 4: But I will tell you this, Nancy Seein is believing.
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Speaker 1: You're saying it would be hard for people to believe
36:41
Speaker 1: she was in a psychosis. Yes, it's okay. Didn't I
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Speaker 1: ask you a question? Can I ask you a question?
36:48
Speaker 1: She's in psychosis because of what?
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Speaker 6: Because she voluntarily sucked that bomb just.
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Speaker 1: Like that, that's right. She is and psychosis because she
36:58
Speaker 1: sucked a bomb, that's right, and stabbed her boyfriend dead.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you this woman did not
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Speaker 1: just descend down from heaven. The roommates were very suspicious
37:12
Speaker 1: of her and thought that the victim in this case
37:16
Speaker 1: Chad Omelia was moving way too fast with her. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut two from Nicole Parton Chad.
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Speaker 8: O'melia lives in a condo in Thousand Oaks with two
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Speaker 8: roommates and his dog. O'melia is working at an accounting
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Speaker 8: firm while studying to be a certified public accountant. O'melia
37:36
Speaker 8: meets audiologist Brin Spacher at a dog park and the
37:40
Speaker 8: two strike up a friendship that quickly moves to something more,
37:44
Speaker 8: even though the two have only dated a few weeks.
37:46
Speaker 8: One of o'melia's roommates, Vinnie Olivera, tells The Acorn that
37:51
Speaker 8: Chad was definitely smitten with Brin Spacher. He says, Omelia
37:55
Speaker 8: is talking about Spacher all the time and at one
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Speaker 8: point suggests they might be moving too fast.
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Speaker 1: So the roommates realized this was moving way too fast.
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Speaker 1: Robin Drie, you're the behavior expert. When all your friends
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Speaker 1: can see something is wrong and you're the only one
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Speaker 1: that can't see it, particularly when you think you're in love.
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Speaker 1: What is that?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's lack of loving critics in your life and
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Speaker 15: your ability to listen to him. You're giving yourself your
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Speaker 15: own confirmation bias. Of what you're seeking, and that's exactly
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Speaker 15: what's going on here, and he confirmed his own bias
38:29
Speaker 15: for her and it led to his death.
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Speaker 1: Unlike unfortunately to you, Sean, this is Chad's dad. Had
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Speaker 1: he ever had a serious girlfriend before?
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Speaker 9: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the first thing the Sheriff's department app
38:44
Speaker 2: myself and his mother, Michelle for was a list of
38:49
Speaker 2: young ladies that he had dated, and we produced that
38:52
Speaker 2: list and they interviewed all and you know, they all
38:58
Speaker 2: you said, he was a gentleman, and you know he
39:02
Speaker 2: was raised that way, and so is his brother, and
39:04
Speaker 2: so was I.
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Speaker 1: That's curious, Sean, Amelia. It sounds to me like what
39:08
Speaker 1: they were trying to do the defense was trying to
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Speaker 1: raise a self defense strategy, but that was completely impossible.
39:17
Speaker 1: You know. Back to you, doctor Othen men of inter
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Speaker 1: County Assistant Chief Medical Examiner, have you ever handled a
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Speaker 1: case where the victim has been stabbed this many times?
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Speaker 9: Yes, a few times, handful times. There have been this
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Speaker 9: many times in the dovens probably not this many, but
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Speaker 9: at least in the seventies to eighties.
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Speaker 1: So then not this many? Is it true, doctor Menna,
39:44
Speaker 1: that when you have so many stab wounds. It's hard
39:47
Speaker 1: to determine the exact number as the stab wounds begin
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Speaker 1: to overlap, and you can't tell if it's one, two,
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Speaker 1: or three stab wounds in the same in the same cut.
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Speaker 15: Right.
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Speaker 9: That can happen, especially in terms of internal injuries. They
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Speaker 9: start kind of intersecting each other and crossing each other's patterns.
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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, this is not the
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Speaker 1: first time a judge has completely distorted and thwarted the
40:31
Speaker 1: law in this jurisdiction. Does the name of Sean Shirk
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Speaker 1: ring a bell? Take a listen to our cut eighteen.
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Speaker 10: Sam Shirk has five sons, and oftentimes his sons don't
40:43
Speaker 10: get along with his living girlfriend, fifty nine year old
40:46
Speaker 10: Margaret Dahl. Sam Shirk's son Sean, has been staying with
40:50
Speaker 10: his dad and Margaret Dahl, but when Dahl's elderly mother
40:53
Speaker 10: is coming to stay for a visit, Sean has to
40:56
Speaker 10: move out. Around midnight. On August twenty fourth, a few
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Speaker 10: weeks after being four out of the home he's been
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Speaker 10: living in, Shawn Shirk, extremely intoxicated, breaks a back sliding
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Speaker 10: glass door, sneaks into the house, violently attacks Margaret Dahl,
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Speaker 10: and her mother, Phyllis Porter. The next morning, when Shirk's
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Speaker 10: brother goes to the home, he discovers the shattered glass
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Speaker 10: door and the women inside.
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Speaker 1: Two women dead. Now take a listen to cut twenty sewn.
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Speaker 10: Shirk's defense attorney begins working to have the double homicide
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Speaker 10: charges reduced to involuntary manslaughter. At hearings over a four
41:27
Speaker 10: year period of time, experts testify about Shirk being the
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Speaker 10: victim of abuse as a child and suffering PTSD. But
41:34
Speaker 10: the biggest thing the defense has proven Sean Shirk was
41:37
Speaker 10: so intoxicated the Knight of the murders that he was
41:39
Speaker 10: not in control of his own actions. The prosecutors go
41:42
Speaker 10: along with the defense, and now Shirk's attorney argue that
41:45
Speaker 10: Shirk was drunk and in the midst of a bout
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Speaker 10: with PTSD when he fatally stabbed Margaret Dahl and her
41:51
Speaker 10: mother Phyllis Porter. The jury find Shirk guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 1: Once again, in the same jurisdiction, the defendant commits murder
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Speaker 1: and walks free even when a jury comes back with
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Speaker 1: a conviction on involuntary manslaughter, but still the judge sentences
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Speaker 1: in a manner that the defendant walks free. In this case,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what the defendant begins saying
42:24
Speaker 1: what she realizes she's getting charged. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: investigator reporter Sydney Summer.
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Speaker 14: According to Speecher, she tells investigators that she begins hearing
42:33
Speaker 14: a sinister like voice in her head before stabbing Omelia
42:37
Speaker 14: to death a little after midnight. The VC Star points
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Speaker 14: out that under California law, a person is seen as
42:42
Speaker 14: responsible for their actions when impaired by drugs or alcohol
42:46
Speaker 14: unless they're intoxication is involuntary.
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Speaker 10: Spacher's defense attorney claims that their client was involuntarily intoxicated
42:53
Speaker 10: and that o'melia had allegedly bullied and intimidated her into
42:56
Speaker 10: smoking the last bit of marijuana.
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Speaker 1: Now the defense Now they are arguing that the pot
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Speaker 1: Spacher used was completely different from all the other pot
43:08
Speaker 1: in the world. Again total bs take a listening our
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Speaker 1: twenty three Dave Matt Crime on the R.
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Speaker 10: Lawyers are now claiming that the marijuana she consumed was
43:17
Speaker 10: a strain of the drug with a THHD level of
43:20
Speaker 10: more than thirty percent, significantly higher than the average dose.
43:24
Speaker 10: Lawyers claim that Spacher was not a regular smoker of marijuana,
43:27
Speaker 10: but the strain O'melia had her smoke had a warning
43:29
Speaker 10: label indicating it was for high tolerance users only, since
43:33
Speaker 10: its THHD content was above the average level of between
43:35
Speaker 10: eighteen and twenty four percent. Spaecher's attorneys claim the strain
43:39
Speaker 10: Brent Spacher consumed was a strain with thirty one point
43:42
Speaker 10: eight percent THHC. Prosecutor Audrey Nauzinger told the jury there's
43:46
Speaker 10: no evidence Omelia put anything other than regular old marijuana
43:51
Speaker 10: in the bong he prepared for Spature that night.
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Speaker 1: The argument to the jury by the defense is that
43:55
Speaker 1: this was some kind of unique, superpotent pot. True, the
44:00
Speaker 1: pot was analyzed. What was left at the apartment to
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Speaker 1: Sean Amelia, this is Chad, Amelia's dad. Chad was stabbed
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Speaker 1: dead by a weed crazed girlfriend. You believe the judge
44:17
Speaker 1: favored white women. Why do you say that, Well, earlier.
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Speaker 2: On in the case, when the charges were being charging,
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Speaker 2: document was being changed and the charges were being changed
44:33
Speaker 2: from murder to involuntary manslaughter, I addressed the court, and
44:39
Speaker 2: at that time, when I addressed the court, the judge
44:43
Speaker 2: actually started to when he was talking and speaking back
44:47
Speaker 2: to me, he was taking a position, and he was
44:50
Speaker 2: actually instead of just listening to my comments, he was
44:54
Speaker 2: defending her. He was defending her actions. And at one point,
44:58
Speaker 2: I mean the trand I have the copy of transcript.
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Speaker 2: At one point, you know, that's when he sort of
45:04
Speaker 2: emphasized as well, it's very it's a very tough thing
45:07
Speaker 2: for somebody to lose their medical license. And I responded,
45:11
Speaker 2: I said, well, my son lost his life. How can
45:13
Speaker 2: you compare, you know, her degree to my son's life.
45:17
Speaker 2: I was insulted by the remark, but I want to
45:20
Speaker 2: get back to what you guys. This has been bothering
45:24
Speaker 2: me for a long long time. Her attorneys keep even now,
45:30
Speaker 2: they're still out there doing the victim blaming thing, and
45:34
Speaker 2: I mean they're claiming that this marijuana was something that
45:38
Speaker 2: it was not. The marijuana was tested, and I don't
45:43
Speaker 2: smoke marijuana. I don't use marijuana, so I had to
45:45
Speaker 2: do a little homework on this myself. So my understanding
45:48
Speaker 2: from what I can gather in the research I've done,
45:51
Speaker 2: that high potency marijuana is anything over twenty percent THC
45:56
Speaker 2: content or ten micrograms per dose. This marijuana was tested
46:01
Speaker 2: several different times, and the lab reports, and if I'm wrong,
46:07
Speaker 2: tell me I'm wrong. But if the lab reports show
46:09
Speaker 2: it was between twelve percent and sixteen percent, that is it.
46:14
Speaker 2: So this was no special strain. And the container that
46:19
Speaker 2: it came in had no warning label on it. And
46:22
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, I want to be told I'm wrong.
46:24
Speaker 2: But I saw that in the evidence photos and there
46:29
Speaker 2: was no warning label on it. So I mean, none
46:33
Speaker 2: of that what they say makes any sense to me.
46:37
Speaker 2: From the beginning, it was blamed the victim, attack the witnesses,
46:43
Speaker 2: badger the witnesses, and then in the end, in Robert
46:48
Speaker 2: Schwartz's closing argument, and I think this will really put
46:51
Speaker 2: the jury off, he actually started to attack Audrey. I
46:55
Speaker 2: mean he was attacking the prosecutor, who had nothing to
46:58
Speaker 2: do with this other than for presenting the evidence and
47:01
Speaker 2: the facts. So I'm disgusted in those two individuals as
47:07
Speaker 2: human beings.
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Speaker 1: I'm also discussed it with a judge for allowing it.
47:12
Speaker 1: And you are allowed to argue in a closing statement,
47:14
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about, closing arguments, but you are
47:17
Speaker 1: not allowed to spout incorrect facts, facts that are not
47:22
Speaker 1: in evidence, which is what he did, and attacking the prosecutor.
47:27
Speaker 1: That's to be disallowed. But you know, and we keep
47:30
Speaker 1: referring to her as a doctor. She's not a doctor.
47:33
Speaker 1: She has a doctorate in audiology. She is not a
47:36
Speaker 1: medical doctor. And her whining about how murdering your son
47:41
Speaker 1: is going to affect her future, I don't quite get that.
47:48
Speaker 1: And again, I understand where you're coming from. I'm not
47:52
Speaker 1: as angry about the BS claim that there's a special
47:57
Speaker 1: poete in marijuana. I'm angry that this woman can stab
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Speaker 1: a defenseless guy. He didn't have a knife, he didn't
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Speaker 1: have a gun, who's sitting on the sofa over one
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Speaker 1: hundred times and can walk free no jail time, based
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Speaker 1: on a quack theory that she made up, claiming she
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Speaker 1: was hearing voices that told her the more she stabbed him,
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Speaker 1: the more she would live. I think I've got that right.
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Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, somebody jump in and tell me. But Sean,
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Speaker 1: when you heard the sentence, what went through your mind?
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Speaker 2: Well? I felt immediately that the system had failed Chad
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Speaker 2: first of all, and that I could not, for the
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Speaker 2: life of me, understand why we had to go through
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Speaker 2: five and a half years of going back and forth
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Speaker 2: to courtrooms and just hearing her attorneys constantly as for
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Speaker 2: extensions and then being granted, and then I just felt
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Speaker 2: that there's absolutely no justice in the system and that
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Speaker 2: the system is broken at this point.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that she got a light sentence because
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Speaker 1: of her gender and her education, that somehow a white
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Speaker 1: woman is going to be believed in court when a minority,
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Speaker 1: a black male would not be believed in court. That's
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Speaker 1: two tiers of justice. That's not what our founding fathers
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Speaker 1: had in mind. That is not what the constitution says.
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Speaker 1: It's called equal protection under the law. Lady justice is
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Speaker 1: blind for a reason. She's not supposed to get a
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Speaker 1: break because she's a more affluent, educated white female. That's
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Speaker 1: not okay.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, And to answer your question, I
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Speaker 2: absolutely feel that way. And I said earlier in my comments,
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Speaker 2: I didn't. He didn't separate himself from seeing her as
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Speaker 2: you described, and he just he just saw her that
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Speaker 2: way and said, you know, this isn't the type of
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Speaker 2: person that I should put in prison. For some reason
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Speaker 2: that must have went through his head. But her brother
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Speaker 2: when he got up to give his remarks, and I
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Speaker 2: was really angry about this. It was very difficult at
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Speaker 2: times for me not to stand up and say things
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Speaker 2: in that courtroom because we went through this exercise of
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Speaker 2: you know, giving the victims impact statements, which Judge Morley
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Speaker 2: didn't even consider. He had written his remarks prior to
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Speaker 2: and read from them on his sentencing decision. So we
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Speaker 2: shouldn't have been put through that. But her brother gets
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Speaker 2: up there and says, you know, she's not the type
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Speaker 2: of person that should go to prison. And I thought
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Speaker 2: to myself at that moment, do I stand up and
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Speaker 2: say something here or do I sit down?
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Speaker 1: And I yeah, like like Chad, like in this case,
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Speaker 1: Chad's night. The first kind of person that should be
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Speaker 1: dead and buried.
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Speaker 2: The people that are supposed to go to prison are
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Speaker 2: people that break the law and don't adhere to the
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Speaker 2: laws of the land. There's no there is no like
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Speaker 2: demographic or there is no certain type of person that
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Speaker 2: should or should not go to prison others than someone
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Speaker 2: that doesn't follow the law.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I I'm just so distraught about how
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Speaker 1: this sentencing went down and how this judge Worley contorted
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Speaker 1: the law. Is it true, Sean that Chad's mother, Grief Fricken,
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Speaker 1: died during the trial.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, about a year and a half after we lost Chad,
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Speaker 2: she had type two diabetes and she just kind of
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Speaker 2: got depressed and he stopped taking care of herself and
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Speaker 2: she was just isolated herself. And you know, it's hard
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Speaker 2: you lose a child and you think to yourself, is
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Speaker 2: it okay for me to be happy? And one day,
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Speaker 2: is it okay for me to smile? Is it okay
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Speaker 2: for me to be happy with my other son?
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Speaker 7: You know?
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Speaker 2: And all those you know, like it's a feeling of
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Speaker 2: guilt if I'm with my other son. And it was
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Speaker 2: the same for Michelle, and it was worse for her,
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Speaker 2: and she just declined. And I got a call on
52:48
Speaker 2: I believe it was March seventeenth, at about seven point
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Speaker 2: thirty at night from her good friend Lacretia Musman, and
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Speaker 2: she said, you need to get to the hospital right away.
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Speaker 2: And I said why and she said, Michelle's not doing well.
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Speaker 2: And when I got to the emergency department, I knew
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Speaker 2: something really bad had happened because her sister was there,
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Speaker 2: Macrecia was there, a few of her other friends were there,
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Speaker 2: and I asked, what's going on? And then they just
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Speaker 2: directed me into a room and she was laying on
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Speaker 2: a table pretty much. She was already she was on
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Speaker 2: life support and she was already gone. She just couldn't
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Speaker 2: handle it. And it's also hard for my younger son, Shane,
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Speaker 2: because he feels in ways that you know, Michelle felt
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Speaker 2: so bad about what occurred, but he wishes that, you know,
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Speaker 2: she would have focused more kind of on what we
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Speaker 2: still have going forward, but she was unable to do that.
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Speaker 2: She was just so focused on the loss of Chad
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Speaker 2: that it just took her down.
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Speaker 1: Sewn Amelia, I don't know if you knew this or not,
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Speaker 1: but as the killer the girlfriend, bren Spacher was walking
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Speaker 1: out of court, you know what she said, right she
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Speaker 1: started bitching that she could not believe the judge had
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Speaker 1: sentenced her to probation in community service. She was actually
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Speaker 1: complaining on her way out of the courtroom. She should
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Speaker 1: have been lying prostrate in the floor, thanking this judge
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Speaker 1: for completely ignoring his duty, but instead she was whining
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Speaker 1: and complaining, I can't believe I got to do community service?
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Speaker 1: Did you know that?
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Speaker 2: Actually I was unaware of that, but I would say
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Speaker 2: given some of the other evidence that was presented that
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Speaker 2: I don't think she thought was gonna be presented. It
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Speaker 2: kind of doesn't surprise me. She portrays herself as one
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Speaker 2: thing and then this is who she really is. This
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Speaker 2: is who this person is. And this is why when
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Speaker 2: we saw the text messages that were presented during the case,
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Speaker 2: you know, we realized that, you know, she's really not
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Speaker 2: presenting herself truthfully. And I can't believe that she did
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Speaker 2: say that because she is lucky that she hasn't been
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Speaker 2: incarcerated for murder.
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you what did the text say?
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Speaker 2: The texts were she made this claim that she was
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Speaker 2: a naive marijuana user, and that the text before these
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Speaker 2: were texts before she had met Chad, and the texts
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Speaker 2: were illustrating that, you know, she was talking to her
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Speaker 2: friends about marijuana use and about edibles and about how
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Speaker 2: you can put oil on ice cream and get high
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Speaker 2: from the marijuana oil.
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Speaker 1: So she's a killer and a liar.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 2: I think that I don't think she faces the reality
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Speaker 2: of what she's done. I think that she she believes that,
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Speaker 2: for some reason, that she shouldn't be held accountable for
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Speaker 2: any of this.
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Speaker 1: It's it hurts so badly to know that the judge
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Speaker 1: discounted everything you and your family have been through and
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Speaker 1: sentenced this killer to straight probation. If you want your
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Speaker 1: voice to be heard, contact Governor Gavin Newsom. He needs
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Speaker 1: to hear this. Gavin dot Newsom at gov dot c
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Speaker 1: A dot gov. Repeat Gavin dot Newsom at gov, dot
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Speaker 1: c A gov. His number is nine one four four
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Speaker 1: four five two eight four one. Make your voice be heard.
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Speaker 1: This is not justice and may Chad Omelia and his
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Speaker 1: mother find peace. Goodbye, friend,