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Beyond the Spirits with Jeff Fent. Part 2 · Trapped Souls Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have like, I guess, an apprentice or anything that are you just keeping the trade secret to yourself?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: If if someone wants to know how I build them, I show them.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: I've had several people.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: My friend down in uh Louisville, uh, I gave her wood from FCI because she wanted her dad.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: He he he built a he built a train, uh, like a pyramid ghost box for her with uh like a at the top of it was uh a triangular-shaped uh crystal that illuminates.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I helped him and sent him little drawings and what what to buy, pictures of the parts.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: And as he was putting it together, if he needed help, uh he just gave me a shout.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm all I'm all for uh helping people build their own boxes.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't it's no secret.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, yeah.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean some people probably I mean I know some box builders that do not want you to know what they do.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they they almost booby trap their boxes so that you know if you take it apart, you're you're screwed.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know one person in particular, you can't take his box apart.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you do, it's not gonna ever work again.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: It would have to go back to him.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Selby asked, Robert Selby asked, Carlo Zuzic is getting good with a saw, Jeff.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: He can be your interim.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think Carlos is a little busy.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: Frank, uh Carl, yeah.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Carlo was trying to use a nail gun.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're building I was helping them build the uh little stages in the Masonic Lodge.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's there's two smaller ones and one large one, the podium stage, and then there's two smaller ones.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think a chair sat on them.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so I built this whole podium thing, the smaller one, uh had it all built, put together, framed out, sitting on the floor where it needed to go.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: And and Carlo hadn't even nailed one board together.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he's he tried so hard, he's and he's trying to use the nail gun, and he tries to use it and won't shoot.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I go over and I grab it from him and shoots the nail.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: So he he eventually got pretty good at using the nail gun, but that was sort of crazy.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, if he's getting better with the saw, uh I'll have to commend him on it next time I talk to him.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's talk about the tuple a little bit.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's gonna open up soon, right?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: They haven't said when yet, but they're cruising on it.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it needed a lot of work.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the main room up on the second floor that was the Masonic Lodge, so to say.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was used for a batting cage, you know, everything was stripped out of there.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: I guess there was nets up in there for batting.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they've they've taken all that apart.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um they've been traveling out of state, buying all the Masonic Lodge, the official Lasonic Lodge benches, tables.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they just posted pictures, uh, Robert did of all the Masonic Lodge dishes and stuff.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: They have a full-blown kitchen there.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's a huge kitchen.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: It must have been, you know, done like that to serve, you know, all the men when they they come there.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean, everything that they're putting in there is like Masonic Lodge stuff.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's sort of crazy.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they're even building uh this a secret room that you know you normally would not, if you were visiting Masonic Lodge, you wouldn't be able to look into it.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they know what those rooms look like.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I'll be curious as to how that turns out.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Robert said soon.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm gonna be excited.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and talking about we're we're there working, okay.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Carlo and um Robert and me and and Doug, and we're uh working, we're sawing, and and you hear a door shut, and then you hear somebody coming up the steps, and we all stop.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're like looking over, they have to round the corner once they get up the steps for you to see them.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like listening to these footsteps coming up the staircase after we hear a door shut, but yet there's nobody there, nobody ever rounds that corner, and you look outside and there's no extra cars.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: You go downstairs, none of the doors are open.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's nobody there, and that was happening multiple times while I was there, and I'd only been there a couple times, you know.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: So um, it's interesting the activity that we got just the short time I was there.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm gonna be real curious what it's like once they have that place done.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe all the construction going on is ramping things up.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but it's a neat place.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a lot of people are excited about it.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: I know you've been working on it.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm guessing Robert's been working on it.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no idea who's working, Robert's on it like every day.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I've only been up for a couple afternoons, maybe.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Was it the screen?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: The screen police.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen that them up there for a while helping out.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean they post it.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know who's in in that group or not, but okay.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's cool.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's uh what you do and everybody, including Adam, to keep these historic places alive and up and running is unbelievable.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, how do you feel about that?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean well, you know, I'll I'll I'll just say something about Adam.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh and I don't know, probably not very many, and I don't even know if I should be even saying this or not, but a while back Adam was offered a substantial amount of money from Madison Seminary.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, a substantial amount of money, and he turned it down.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: He said, That's not why I bought this place.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I bought it to save it, and for people to be able to enjoy it and for it to be around forever.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't buy it to make a profit off of it by selling it after a while.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think a lot of people, I don't think very many people even know that he was offered, and it was a lot of money.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I was shocked at how much money he was offered for that property, and uh, and he turned it down.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: So if that tells you anything about Adam, um I mean I've heard Adam talk on his on Facebook Live and whatever, and you know, again, I haven't talked to him one-on-one, but it uh it is amazing what he's doing, and he says straight up that he just wants to save these properties, yeah, yeah.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: And that takes a lot of response.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: I I was talking to him yesterday, and he's like, Well, you know, a lot of these places they don't drop their prices in the winter, they don't do this, they don't do that.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Adam, for a weeknight, he's charging you 150 bucks for FCI or for Madison for the night.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now, granted, it's cold.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can go out in your car and warm up, you know, if you need to get warmed up.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: But 150 bucks for a weeknight, and I think he's charging 250 or 300 for a Friday or Saturday night.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and he was talking to me, and like, you know, I'm really not making, you know, much money off of it, but I get to pay the person that comes out and gives the tour and opens up.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I get to have money to maybe help with the utility bills and and maybe buy snacks and pop and different things for the locations, and and he says, and I'm good.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: So if that tells you anything else about Adam, he's like, you know, I I I and he has shoot most weeks are booked out during the winter.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so Travis, how cold is Madison in the winter?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: So cold, especially when you're left uh left for your solo for two hours.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: It it's like an ice box.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so yeah.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I I did an event up there in December called Fellowship of the Spirits, and I invited, you know, I think there are seven groups there just to get together and have a good time.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: And we played a game, and Travis got a solo.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's Sarah's room, correct?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I blew the Aztec death whistle to let everybody know that it was done.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: Before I left though, I was told someone was coming to get me.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, but you didn't hear the whistle.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: So it was before we left before we left to start the solos, uh, it was agreed upon someone was gonna come and get you and everything when the solo is over.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, got it.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not leaving till someone comes and gets me.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: So I left the little setup, they change their mind, and I was like, Well, I'll just blow the whistle, and that's gonna be it's gonna be done and everything.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: That was never passed along to me.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm there like an hour and a half already.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um my team members hopped in because I was uh live streaming it, hopped in and asked me, Hey, you're good and everything.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, wait a second, you're supposed to be doing solo.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, it's been done.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, yeah, I'm good.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh actually, Sarah wants our doll.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: Come and get it.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be honest, Justin watched that video about half an hour before he messaged you.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna get him now.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's more active than a cold.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's my personal belief.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um when Adam first bought that place, I I spent a week there pretty much primarily by myself because we had to get all the exosigns working.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: We had to retrofit new exosigns.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: We had to uh we had a lot of stuff to do.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was months and months and months, and and I got snowed in there, and it was like with the wind, it was like minus 20, no heat.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't get in the backhouse.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we were wearing those white hazmat suits, those plastic suits.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can buy them because they hold your heat.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: So if you kept moving around, you're okay.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: When you slept at night, you slept underneath like 10 sleeping bags.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's uh it got horribly cold there, but it was like extremely active.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was sleeping in one room and I left the hall lights on like it was gonna make a difference, you know, because like I was gonna keep the ghosts away or something, and I locked the one door and I could see into the next room over.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I couldn't lock that door.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm woken up by the doorknob jiggling in the next room over, and I could see something going under by the door from underneath the door because the hall was lit, and I was just like freaked out.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's multiple nights that I was so freaked out to be there by myself, but I uh part of it I was snowed in.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: There was so much snow, I couldn't get out.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: My truck that I had at the time, it wasn't four-wheel drive, and uh that place is uh I agree, it it was it was active in the cold when I was stuck there.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean I've investigated that place 15 times.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, even before Adam owned it.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like going there and investigate a couple more times before that, yeah, yeah.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was always okay, like there was some activity.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Then we started doing wintertime, but Adam started bringing a whole bunch of stuff in too.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it like wintertime just ramps it up.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's cold, you freeze, but yeah, it's worth freezing your butt off a little bit.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I had a lot.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: What's up, man?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: You got any questions here?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Anyone else got any questions?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_04: I have like a million questions, but I don't want to just run everything over.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um so going back to Adam real quick, we had a team member that passed away last year and he was with our team and he was with Hall of View.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_04: And Adam gave us Madison Seminary for free to hold a benefit for his family there.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: So and he doesn't know me from anybody.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: Just the fact that he would do that tells you everything you need to know about that man.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_04: That's yeah, he's amazing.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he he's uh he I I've I've heard of him doing that quite a few times for people, and uh and uh it's sort of some people are shocked by it, but if you if you know Adam personally, it doesn't surprise me at all.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I I that's just the way he is, and uh he's a hard guy to get a hold of at times, even for me, but he uh he's so busy.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you think I'm busy, he's like he's busy, yeah.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: But uh he does wonderful things like that all the time, and he doesn't even think twice about it.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean I thought about reaching out to him because I live right down the street, and I know you guys always try to get ready from adcon and everything, you know.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: I always see you out there and other people like to help out, clean up, whatever.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, but it's kind of hard to get like you said, it's kind of hard to get a hold of.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe when you come out, throw me a text.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's gonna be some projects that we've got going on, and uh I mean, if if you hear that I'm out there, because I'll post that I'm there, reach out to me, and I'll just say, hey, Adam Ryan wants to come help with this or that, and just you know, probably just say tell them to come on out.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, um that's how a lot of the Mad Con uh crew, you know, that's how they started off was just they just were coming out to help out.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do this, do that, paint, sweep floors, scrape paint off walls.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, so yeah, if if you want to help sometime, you know I'm there.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Just give me a shout.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna let you know.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: I know how to use a nail gun, just letting you know.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean, I appreciate you coming out.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, for what you do, I mean you're a busy man.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: I just kind of threw the message out to you and you got back.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, sweet, you got Jeff Fat coming on.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: So and I don't do, I think I told you.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I might do two podcasts a year.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not really on podcasts much.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so but I'm glad you asked me.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: Again, we try to get people on that are just influencing the paranormal, not just paranormal investigators.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's what we like to do on this show.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: So um for what you do and help out all these places, and a lot of people forget that without you, without Adam, we'd have no place to investigate.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, well, I I I don't I don't need any thanks for any of the stuff I do because I know like you would most people would just do what I do.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: I just just things have ended up the way they are for me.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I've been fortunate enough to meet Adam and he's needed help on things, so just everything's just sort of like ended up the way it is.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: It it wasn't any great plan of mine.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: I just you know, just like filling the boxes, it just happened and so but and and I don't I I I appreciate when people thank me and stuff like that, but I mean you would do the same thing, you know, you and you know, you'd help somebody um if they needed help, just like you're offering to come over to Madison now, and who knows if you know Adam may ask you to come do more stuff if you know you you come and and uh help, you know.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you just never know how things work out.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I just want to make sure stuff is successful, that's all I care about.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: So you might have to give up your podcast to go help out of Madison.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: What'd you say?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: I have to give up my podcast.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I only do like 20 shows a month, it's fine.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: Don't worry about it.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Dan Harris.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's just a Gen X attitude.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: We just do it.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Don't need recognition, just do it.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it's about.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Helping people helping people out.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's the lost cause in this life right now.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: So get it off topic, take pride in what you do, help people out.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Be a good person.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Travis.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Can I ask Travis a question?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Travis, where's your group?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Where's your group out of exactly?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we're 45 minutes east of Cincinnati.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: So uh we're located in Claremont County, Ohio.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do you go to a lot up by me?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in Columbus.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Do you quickly?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, no, we just started last year, uh last uh last year in April.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: So uh I mean the most that we've been, I mean, the furthest that we've been in Ohio was up into Madison in December and stuff.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean this year we definitely plan on trying to venture out more and everything.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's just hard.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: The three core members of us were in the fire service, and we do 2448.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: So okay, all right.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, and you gotta get up in uh Masonic Lodge.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: There, uh Carlos' other place, uh Beale.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the Gill, the Gill House is just about an hour north of me.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Vernella Cottage is a block away from that.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, there's a ton of places.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, there, yeah, Ohio.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: There uh we was talking about like on a couple other podcasts ago.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Ohio, it has a lot.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: And there's I I still believe there's more uh to be dis discovered.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, there is, there is.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, if you're up in my neck of the woods, give me a spot.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a spot.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely will.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, Bill Manor's awesome.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: I love Bill Manor.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's I'll I'll be there next weekend again.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: My next my next one there is I think December 4th with Alma normal, I think.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, trying to correct me on that because I have way too many, too much stuff going on.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: But but no, I love Bill.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I can't wait till lodge is open.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: I've not been to the Gill House yet.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: That that place is uh you're walking in uh Mr.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Gill, he was friends with like two presidents.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think Woodrow Wilson and John Deere, uh Thomas Edison, Mark Twain.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this dude had so many famous people in there.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you when you're walking around in there, you're just you're walking into uh famous people, people that you've heard about you know through history, they were there.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're walking in their footsteps.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's I'm not even naming them all.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's sort of crazy.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: The first, I think Henry Ford drove the first Model T into town and drove it to the Gill House, I believe.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's that it's that crazy with history.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: So um, and it's got a pretty good harding going on to it, too.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: So um definitely check that out.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: So let me talk to Bill House a little bit.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: So he brought some stuff from Bob Mackie's.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Do you believe Carl is attached to any of that stuff?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'll give you my thoughts on it after yours.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: We had some sort of crazy things happen in the basement of the field where Carl, some of Carl's stuff is, you know, where his door is and says keep out or whatever.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then a person that did not know that stuff was there, okay, um, had no clue that stuff was there.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: She's she's standing there and and she's got abilities, and she's like, Jeff, did a Carl live here?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Why does Carl's name keep popping up in my head?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And she's standing right, she's standing right there by his door, but she's not facing it.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I told her who who I think she's thinking about.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um they were still reviewing stuff from when we were there, so I don't know what they got.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what they're doing with Carl's bathroom, right?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: So Robert bought Carl's entire bathroom out of Bobby Mac's.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Everything, everything that was in there, the bathroom.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: He bought it.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna build that within the Masonic Lodge.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: So Carl's bathroom.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I'm supposed to be telling this, Robert, if he's watching.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, he did kind of say that he had all his bathrooms.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to build Carl's bathroom in the Masonic Lodge.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: So you it'll be like you're walking into it at Bobby Mackie's, but it'll be at the Masonic Lodge.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that tripped out?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's weird.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: So the base so Billman or basement.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: This is the feeling I got.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: I've been there twice since he got that stuff.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Is that people just ask about Carl so much?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think his spirit down there is getting pissed because it's not Carl, and he's being like forgotten.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I've been going there ever since Carlo got the place, and uh something has changed on the second floor.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the landing there when you come up the steps.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, definitely.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you're sitting, you're sitting there in those chairs, and um it didn't used to be anything bad, and and for two nights in a row, everything I got right there sitting in a chair listening to my box run was just the most horribly of things.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like this woman's talking about, and we have this on video about sucking or uh something about sucking her blood, and and the devil's going to kill you, and and and and things like okay, and we have all this on video, okay.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's Jeff.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh hurt him now, and just crap like that.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And this, and then you take the box otherware, other places in the building, and it's nice and calm and collect, and nice things are coming through.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: But you and then the next night you take it back up there thinking, okay, well, it's gonna change.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Same crap's coming through.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just like it's just the most horrible things are coming through that ghost box, and and it never used to be like that.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: So something has changed there.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Something on the second floor is pissed that through up there.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: It won't let us wouldn't let us talk to the kids.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which the last few times been there.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: We we at least you could hear a kid, whether you got to actually talk to him or not.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: But this last time um was just it was nuts, and then in the background, it was saying Satan, Satan, Satan.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: We it we we have the video.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've listened to it over and over, just trying like maybe I'm not hearing this right.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you know, no, it's uh yeah, it's I sent I sent it to Carlo.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what's going on, and it seems to be that second floor, it's right right there, that main hallway, right up front.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that kind of stinks because those kids are playful up there.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they're playful in the attic.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they're very talk talkative on the boxes.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um that that one room with the toys on the floor there, I think there's a crib in there, maybe.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um they were somewhat talkable there, but but not out in that main hallway.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, that's why Carla won't spend the night there, is because he's seen the child on the staircase when he first bought the place.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: You knew that, right?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was telling me about that last time I was there.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, I don't know.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's changed.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it could be just the things that are getting brought into there.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like Madison.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much and so many different pieces of furniture from so many different places, you know, and it's just like who owned this?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, did you know, did somebody die on that bed?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, who's who's you know, you you just don't you don't know, you know?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean energy in Madison has changed in the last five years.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't want to say darker, but it's changed a lot.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's a lot more there.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, think of the stuff he's bringing in there.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what's gonna happen when Carl's bathroom is in the Masonic Lodge, but I think that's you may be going to the bathroom in Carl's bathroom, maybe what it what's going on.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean how that's gonna work, but what's that?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great story.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: You got to use Carl's bathroom.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean uh not many people can say that.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is Robert still watching this?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know, he hasn't commented yet.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, because I don't know if I was supposed to say anything about that or not.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he said I I have all of Carl's bathroom a few minutes ago.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: Right before right before you said it.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: He type that in there, so yeah, he's still on.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that'll be interesting.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Let's get a generic question out of the way.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, bucket list, I ask everybody that one place.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you two places in any world that you want to go investigate.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: And Robertson.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, that's a hard one.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody, I've always wanted, and I don't know why, and I hate and I don't really like dolls, but I've always wanted to go to that island that has all them dolls hanging.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh doll is Mexico City.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've always wanted to go there and ghost hunt that and just see what the hell that's all about.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know why.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like to fly.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna take a boat there.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't I don't think I don't even know if I could get there or not, but um I don't know.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: I I would I would really like to go hit some castles up or something over in Europe at some point.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I really don't have any uh any specific place that I want to go hit up.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Probably my most favorite place out of every place I've ever been to was Waverly Hills.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um because of all the experiences I had there years and years and years ago.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: But uh but yeah, I'd probably just go to Waverly Hills instead of spending the money going overseas.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean honestly, I've never been to Waverly Hills because I heard their publics aren't great.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard they've gotten a lot better because of how many people are there, so I've been trying to stay away from that because I don't like doing public funds too much.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um our group used to do Waverly Hills website, so we got to go there twice a year for free.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: That was sort of the payment, and so we had a small group, sometimes as many as five or you know, five to ten people.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I just remember sitting on the third floor in the center of the wings, and the moonlights lighting up the one end.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: And my brother-in-law at the time, he was a former police officer.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we wanted him on the team because he would he looked at things differently with investigating, which I thought was pretty cool.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we're sitting there, and in the moonlight, we see this dude limp across the hall, and he goes, What we think we got, he goes into a room, and we're just like, who in the hell is that?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and we radioed down, like, no, nobody's up there.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we went down in case somebody was in the building, and there was no door there.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Where'd the dude go?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then so we're sitting there thinking about like we're sitting there, like, damn, like just in disbelief.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: And the dude comes out of the wall and limps across the hallway and just goes, we don't know where he went.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, that's just one example of one of the you know, many experiences we had there way back when, and and uh, and to this day, that's so burnt in my head.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: If I seen that dude walking in the street, I would pick him out because the way he was limping.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just like it's burnt into my brain.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't make it go away.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: So Waverley's Waverley's, I had a flashlight take off on the in the body chute.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: We asked the flashlight to turn on and off.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's sitting on the top step.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: And my buddy had never been ghost hunting before.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's filming it, it's in the dark, and uh, so we start hearing this metallic noise.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right, and I'm like, what the hell is that?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then my flashlight takes off.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: It it takes off, it goes one way, comes back another way, falls on the next step, stops in the middle, and then it moves out beyond the step to where two-thirds of that mag lights over the step.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: It should have fallen, it's just suspended there, and I reach down and grab it because I'm like, oh my god, and like and and he's like, Jeff, you shouldn't have touched it.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, he's freaking out.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't even he was speechless, but we we have that on video.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's just some crazy ass shit that goes on there.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: When I'm in the in the on one of the death trays, shoved in, my brother left me in there, I couldn't get out, and I'm fucking hearing organ music and shit.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, where the fuck's the organ music coming from?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: And there was nobody around, they all left me there to freak me out.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, where's this fucking excuse my language?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm hearing organ music like off some horror movie or something.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, so I don't know.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: That place is that's a place you need to go.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sounds like it.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um it I don't know if it's the same anymore or not with the activity.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's a big black used to be on the fourth floor.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was just it was just this black cloud mist would come and you you could see down the hall, and then it would just be coming for you.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: And you just start to lose sight of the doorways and rooms, it's getting closer and closer, and then you just get the hell out of there.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna wait to see what big black does to you when it overtakes you.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: But that was something that I witnessed there that we were told about.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: We used to call them Big Black.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: So oh man, I'm gonna have to go.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's uh there's a group out of the UK.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think next year they plan on coming over one of the groups, and Waverly was one of the places they wanted to do.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, maybe it will happen.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely, definitely try to do it.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: It amazes me because I'm always like bucket list to the people in the UK, and they're like, Waverly, Trans Allegheny.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, You're at the UK, like there's so much history over there.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you want to come over to America?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: But they do.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's been on so all is all these places have been on a lot of TV shows and stuff, and and you always wonder about them.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I can see them wanting to hit them up.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I get to live my dream a little bit.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going over there in June, so very cool.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I know I'm not getting a fan box, but what like cast iron 1800 soldiers?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Would that affect the fanbox?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um what the energy from them or what they're made out of?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: Just what they're made out of.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't think so.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Someone just found some, so I was just I'm going over there, I'm masking with her, so I was gonna maybe grab a couple.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Without her no and I don't know.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm starting to certain things I've had to Faraday cloth.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, like if I shadow box them off, I may Faraday cloth, you know, parts that are closer to electronics and things.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: I've started doing that on a few boxes that I noticed needed a little help with interference, but I wouldn't think those would affect anything unless they got some kind of crazy energy to them.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it could be.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting, like the paraday box and all that, because I don't know.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: I talked to NCPD and they were with their tripwire, they're having a lot of issues with that, with the wires getting too close to the EMF.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: That took a lot to work out.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh okay, besides the famous fence box, what other piece of equipment do you like using?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um just a fent box.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's fine.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: I have to think about this.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really use anything else.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Voice recorders.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I used to have, I mean, the the girl that I ghost hunt with, I mean, we have a lot of shared items.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: We have an ovulus, and we've got a thermal, and we've we've got quite a few other things.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: We've got several different ovuluses and uh RAM pods and different things, but um we really don't I don't use this stuff no more.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the one thing that I do like to use is the uh the lucid amped headphones.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Have you used those?
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they were selling out, they were selling them off at uh Menard's two years ago, clearing them out because Lucid was not going to make them anymore.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: They're called lucid amped headphones, and what they were is you could turn the volume up on them and they would enhance your hearing.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like wearing a parabolic dish.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had bought eight pair because they had them marked down to 10 bucks um at towards the end there.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: I've only got like three pairs of them left, but we walk buildings with those, and so we think that we hear like Jay L used to be on uh Josh Gates's TV shows.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: I walked FCI with Jay L.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: We're wearing those, and we got to the attic and we both heard a woman scream.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: And do I think that we could have heard her scream without those headphones on?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we I have a tendency to hear more things like EVPs and things, um wearing those headphones where you're hearing it with your physical ears through those headphones.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um once in a while they'll pop up on eBay for sale.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: They they generally charge a lot of money for them unless you can get a deal on them.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I have I have two pairs on a shelf I bought along with another pair.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've never used them because they're all sticky.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what they try to clean them with, but they do work.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: But uh they're on my shelf.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'll probably never do anything with them.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: If somebody wanted to wear sticky ones, we use them at work when we go shooting rifles.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: But these are the these are the these are the opposite.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: But no, they have microphones and they have oh okay.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: So they take the like the high decibels out, so when you're shooting a gun, it doesn't pierce your ear.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have to go.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but we sit in hallways just wearing those, just listening.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: You can hear footsteps that are yeah, because when you tap your finger, you you put those on and turn the volume up, and you tap your finger, it's loud.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: You can hear yourself breathe.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's nuts.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm uh I'm gonna have to get a pair of those and check those out next time we go somewhere.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Try it, try it.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: You go to Bel Air House.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: If if you're anywhere where I'm at, like like if you go to the cons, I normally have those with me.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you want to try a pair with me, I mean we can walk around with them and see what happens.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: See what you said anybody else have any questions for Jeff as he's on?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he only does two podcasts a year, and we got some special treatment here.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Travis, got any more questions for him?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: I mean you're you're down by him, so so uh I mean you said you you kind of only use uh the fent box and everything.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh what do you think uh about uh Ouija boards?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't use them, but I think that it's no different than using a ghost box.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can bring something bad in with a ghost box.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, as long as you use the Ouija box correctly, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like the mirror room at Madison.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everybody says that that's like you're messing your own, like, you know, it's a portal you're gonna draw demons in.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want to go in the mirror room at Madison.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, that's not why I build it.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: I built the mirror room to see what the hell, you know, what's going on.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a research thing.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: You go in with good intentions, and I think along with the Ouija board, if you have good intentions and close it out, I don't I don't have a problem with it, you know.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: So you said you did you build uh the mirror room in Madison, you said sorry I was running questions.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the troubles toy box.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: Did you make all the rules for it?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, that was Shelly.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think one is one of them like nose sex, uh no alcohol.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what else he's got on that.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: That was Shelly.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that makes sense.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, two questions.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Deborah wants to know when you can investigate with them.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: And Robert wants to know what is your favorite Bad Bunny song.
• 40:30
  unknown: Bad bunny song.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't is that because we were visited by fuzzies while we were there working on the place?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is that why you want to know?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I've never heard a bad bunny song.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: I never want to, so yeah.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you guys haven't heard the fent box, I mean I've heard it a few times.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: I said Barb has it at Ryder's End.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: I used hers.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um I was obviously um Stephanie from Haunted Havens.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, she has hers with her crystal.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: They're just they're just different.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they are different, they are different, they are different and they're cool.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: So and you were talking what it not to ask.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: Did you ask if I used anybody else's boxes?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, but you don't think it's I do have an FM um ghost box that uh oh my gosh, what's his name?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's a nanocom, nanocom or something.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh anyways, it's a pre yeah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it was a box that was used, the Ghost Brothers used it for one season, and and uh it was put up for sale, and and I and I bought it, and that box is freaking amazing.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I use at the Hensdale House Hanging Tree.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only box I use there.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think that is that what Mandy uses from Ghost Sisters, the ink box.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're called nano, I think they're called nano nana nanocoms or nanocoms.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know, but they're uh they're really needed for what they are.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if a box works, it works, you know.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not I'm not that picky.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: Answer me the spirit box, AM or FM.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: AM.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: The only place I ever use, I don't set these up mine up for anything but AM.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and the only place I use FM primarily is at the Hensdale house with that one with that FM box.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really use that FM box anywhere else.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: If nothing's working, I might flip it on.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now, uh the the house uh brick and or uh Nick and Bree have over there in Fort Wayne, ghost boxes work incredibly well there.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter what you walk in there with.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: They work so well it just freaks you out.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only place I've ever been.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter what kind of box you take in there.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they work, and they work well.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: So take one if you ever go.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: What is that box that Jack Osborne uses?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: The portal box or whatever it's called.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um they're outrageously expensive.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know that much.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: I looked them up.
• 43:33
  unknown: Yeah.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: What the the um box made by George Brown?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: The geo boxes, yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: The geo boxes.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: What do you want to know about it?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they well, besides that they're two thousand dollars, but I mean Yeah.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: What a what do you want to know about?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because I used to help I built George uh twenty seven cabinets, so I was helping put parts in them for.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: A little while for him.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's 15 of them that have my name on them.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: If you ever run across one, snatch it up.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was it says Jeff Finna edition on the front, Geo Box.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: They primarily work off of AM.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: He uses he was using either the COS radio or the Jensen.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Jensens are hard to find.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: They were hard to find back then.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: I hoard them.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll I'll always have them.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I have the very first one that he ever made.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: I have Geo Box one.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: I I love the box.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: They sound cool.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: It like Carlo has I traded in boxes.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: He has one of the Jeff Finn edition ones right now.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: He may trade me back, but uh they're hard to understand unless you listen to them a lot.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: You have to really focus on what they're saying, and it and uh as you use them more and more, you're able to figure out they just sound different.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: He uses he used reverb tanks in them from like you know, 1970 uh amps, it's a metal half of a tin can stretched out rectangular shape.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they just called them reverb tanks with like I think there's three springs that go through them, so that's why they're a little rough to listen to at times, but I I like them.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm used to listening to them, so okay.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like Spirit Box Microsoft.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you gotta get used to uh hearing the words.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Jack's ever used the one he has for me or not.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um used to see it on his uh when he did was doing his podcast, it sitting on the shelf behind him.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he's ever used that.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not, it may just be his a shelf sitter.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing about that.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: I guess if I come across a Jeff Fenton geo box, I'm gonna have to take a loan out or something.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's fine.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean um sometime we sold we sold 15.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: We took 15 orders on them.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: George did.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we made 15 of them.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: We sold them for 650 bucks a piece.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that included shipping when we made them, and then it's almost like the geo boxes like blew up after that, and then it just started going up, up, up, up, up.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't we made seven geo boxes and and he threw them on eBay.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm if you can get a geo box for a thousand bucks or fifteen hundred bucks, that's a deal.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because the first one on eBay, I think it sold for thirty eight hundred.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: The next one sold, I think, for 48.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: The next one sold for almost seven thousand, another one sold for eleven thousand, and then the last two sold for thirteen thousand two hundred and thirteen thousand six hundred.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: You believe that shit?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, wow, that's like I have a Gino box, but I can't afford to go Bescue anywhere, you know.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but uh if you can if you can snatch one up for a thousand bucks, fifteen hundred bucks, like if somebody has one for sale, grab it.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: All right, yeah, yeah, grab it.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: You you'll never get hurt on it price-wise, if you've got to resell it, yeah.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um so what do you think of some of the ghost apps?
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Specifically spare apps.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like them because I've talked to app makers, and what happens is when you're using those like on your phone, it ties into everything else on your phone.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it let's just say that you posted that you're going to uh Madison Seminary.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, now the app knows that you're going to Madison Seminary.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it ties into your maps, it knows your location.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: If if you've mentioned and you've tagged six different people that uh are there with you, now that app knows their names, okay, and can use their first names.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it just I've talked to app makers and they're like, yeah, what it those apps are designed to it sort of like takes control of everything on your phone.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: It dives into everything.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I I just don't trust them.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't trust those apps.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see how it's not like the reason I use the hacked radios is because I've always believed, like Frank believed, that that the spirits are able to grab onto those frequencies.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's energy in a way, and you and and they're able to talk through it, you know.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't how do they do that in an app?
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's always confused me, you know.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean most apps go ahead.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: I said most apps actually say for entertainment purposes only.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: So I think I think they kind of have to do that too, also uh from a legal standpoint.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, if you go look at like uh some of uh mirror boxes, um uh we we got a lot of our equipment from Osamander and everything.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_03: He helps that JW with the IDC devices stuff.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, just the craftsmanship and some of the stuff that goes into it, and you're gonna sit there and tell me my cell phone can do the same thing.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was gonna say something about Austin.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: Austin makes some pretty cool shit.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, he does.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I bought some doll eyeballs that will move back and forth.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if the doll leaned one way, the eyes would look so he designed me and his little circuit board that it reacts off of energy and it's got a servo on it, and so I'm planning on putting that in a box.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if if we get a you know, like a K2 hit or something, it it'll hit that circuit board and the eyeballs will move back and forth.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he did he did that for me.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't done it in a box yet, but I mean he was he just like did that for me.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, dude, I gotta do this.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: So Austin makes some pretty cool stuff.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, he does.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yep.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't even want to ask this question, but Pennsylvania After Dark, how do you get on a lottery to get a fent box?
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: I can tell you right now, the best way to get a fent box is go to the cons and do the lottery.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and hopefully you get lucky.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: But besides that, how do you get on a list for a fent box?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a lot of checking, it's a lot of checking with me, is what it does.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um I just have to keep texting you.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is that what you're talking about?
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I text you three times already.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I text you three times about the font box, no response whatsoever.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh I'm like, hey, do you want to come on a podcast?
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: Five seconds later, yes.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: Umce the weather breaks, then I'll just we'll figure out when we can talk, and then I can get something in the works.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: Just let you know, okay.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: I say pens man after dark, he's talking to me, not you, okay?
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: Just uh breaking it down.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just joking.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Send him a case of banana cream pies to speed him up.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what I heard.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: I heard that today.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: I like those.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: I told Almay, if they're in my fridge, I'm eating them because cold banana cream pies are the best.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I really appreciate what you do and how you take everything to heart from working on Madison, working with Adam, doing your investigations and into the Fox.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's unbelievable.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thanks.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure everybody who watched tonight, and there's a lot, not many people watch Bad Bunny, so that's good.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: But um, it's uh unbelievable.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was great to get to know you.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard so much about you.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: I always fish you at Madison.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's all I got for tonight.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Travis, Nacho, anything?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: You guys good?
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_04: My sister who's on here, Ryan's number one fan, just texted me a few minutes ago and she said, This guy is amazing.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's awesome.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_04: I I think all of us feel that way.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you very much, Jeff, for for giving us your time.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_04: It it does, it means a lot, not only for us, but for the people that are watching, to hear everything that you do for the paranormal and all these locations that you that you know about it.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's it's a big deal.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that a lot.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate it.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate everybody that jumped on.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, everybody.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: Most intrapsol.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: Jeff, have a good one.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
• 53:52
  unknown: All right.