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Unburden Unhealthy Ancestral Patterns with Ancestral Clearing with Elizabeth Kipp · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

0:38
SPEAKER_02: Hello, hello, hello.
0:40
SPEAKER_02: I am so excited to have you all on the Mystic Nerve Squad podcasts.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: Whether you're catching this live streaming or after via video or audio, uh, you're gonna get excited about this conversation today.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: I have been waiting to talk to Elizabeth Kinp, who is an ancestral clearing practitioner.
1:06
SPEAKER_02: This is something I was telling Elizabeth before we came on.
1:10
SPEAKER_02: I don't have a whole lot of information and knowledge about, and I'm really excited about it.
1:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so let me tell you a little bit about Elizabeth.
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SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth is a chronic pain specialist, a yoga-informed addiction recovery coach, ancestral clearing practitioner, yoga meditation teacher, and international best-selling author of The Way Through Chronic Pain: Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power.
1:36
SPEAKER_02: She focuses on helping people realize their power of their inherent healing.
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SPEAKER_02: So, I what really excites me about this, Elizabeth, is um the chronic pain piece and that this is giving people perhaps a route to healing chronic pain in a way they may not have thought about it.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, welcome.
2:03
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
2:05
SPEAKER_01: It's great to be here.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I think, you know, we had been talking about before we came on that chronic pain has been an issue for people for a long time.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, and in the past couple years, mentally, physically, spiritually, people have been experiencing more of that.
2:28
SPEAKER_02: So I think it would be great for us to kind of start off the bat with defining what chronic pain is.
2:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, perfect.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: Love the question.
2:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh, chronic pain is any pain that's felt 15 days out of 30 for three months or more.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: Notice I said any pain.
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SPEAKER_01: The brain can't tell the difference between a broken bone and a broken heart.
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SPEAKER_01: Physical, mental, emotional, it all sends the same signal to the brain.
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SPEAKER_01: It hurts.
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SPEAKER_01: So that uh creates a wider canvas maybe for people than they uh maybe realized uh beforehand.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, for instance, um I um I kind of have a subspecialty in um I I I love going on con podcasts about uh ancestral clearing and chronic pain, but I have a kind of a subspecialty of podcasts on grief because that's a chronic experience, right?
3:24
SPEAKER_01: So we um we experience chronic pain on many levels.
3:30
SPEAKER_01: And the National Institutes of Health prior to COVID, underlined prior to COVID, estimated that 25% of North America suffered chronic pain over all socioeconomic uh measures, including children.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: And the World Health Organization estimated a fifth of the population on the planet of the humans.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: So it's all by itself.
4:04
SPEAKER_02: It's pervasive, yeah.
4:06
SPEAKER_02: And that's interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: I hadn't I hadn't actually thought about it applying to children, but now that you say that, that that kind of piques my interest a little a little bit more even in, you know, what what are we doing to help to mend some of this chronic pain?
4:29
SPEAKER_02: And um what really excites me is we've often talked about pain as something that we're going to apply something to.
4:42
SPEAKER_02: So are we gonna give it medication?
4:43
SPEAKER_02: Are we gonna give it a bomb?
4:45
SPEAKER_02: Are we gonna, you know, give it therapy?
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SPEAKER_02: And I think, at least in my own personal experience managing pain, you can kind of get to it at the physical level or the therapy level, but there are those deeper levels that are not being necessarily addressed.
5:05
SPEAKER_02: Is that fair?
5:07
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's an interesting kind of view on it.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: I I'm gonna take us in a little bit closer and say, what happens with chronic pain in the brain?
5:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
5:16
SPEAKER_01: What happens to us?
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SPEAKER_01: Now, also, you can't separate mind, body, and spirit.
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SPEAKER_01: So what happens to one part happens to all.
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SPEAKER_01: So if we look at the at what happens in the brain, why is chronic pain different than acute pain?
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SPEAKER_01: In chronic pain, the brain is actually changed by the experience.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, how does that how does that um manifest?
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and anyone who has had a chronic pain experience will totally get it when I say they'll they'll be nodding their heads when I say this.
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SPEAKER_01: One, brain fog, two, chaos.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh uh, three, memory.
5:54
SPEAKER_01: I don't even remember what I just did or five minutes ago.
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SPEAKER_01: Where did I put my keys?
5:58
SPEAKER_01: And it's a thing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not just every once in a while, it's like a chronic thing.
6:02
SPEAKER_01: And negativity.
6:05
SPEAKER_01: Now we have a we have a slight negative bias anyway.
6:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, kind of like the first thing when we see something new, the first thing we do is say no, because it helps protect us in the world.
6:18
SPEAKER_01: But in chronic pain, we're saying no.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: We're saying we're saying we're not just saying no, we're blaming others, we're we have just kind of a we're blaming ourselves, mostly blaming ourselves.
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SPEAKER_01: We turn that pain in on ourselves and and make ourselves wrong, uh, and again, like blame other people.
6:43
SPEAKER_01: You've asked a really big question.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: What's happening?
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SPEAKER_01: What is chronic pain manifesting in in the mind-body-spirit system?
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SPEAKER_01: Understanding what that is, then we can approach it with uh a modality that'll help heal those changes.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: And I was on I was I was on uh opiates and benzodazpines for a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: The doctors didn't know what else to do.
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SPEAKER_01: They're like, you know, trying to numb it with this, like you said, like a band-aid, it just makes it worse.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, it doesn't heal the changes.
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SPEAKER_01: So we need to bring modalities that heal the changes, and meditation would be like the number one thing that helps to quiet that chaotic mind.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I bring in uh ancestral clearing as another aspect.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, we don't say uh ancestral clearing heals anything per se.
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SPEAKER_01: We can't make claims like that, but we bring in the we bring in the spiritual aspect of, and I'll and I can share a little bit of that, uh like an actual experience of that with the listeners today and the viewers and on the replay, but we're we're actually uh working on a more spiritual level, looking at that aspect of it.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: And as I said, you can't separate mind-body from spirit.
8:07
SPEAKER_01: So when you work on one, you're working on all three.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it makes so much sense.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: And I'm just thinking in my own, you know, life experience.
8:17
SPEAKER_02: I I in my 20s was married and had a very difficult marriage to someone who um was addicted to alcohol.
8:30
SPEAKER_02: And um I thought that getting divorced was going to be like what would heal me.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm gonna get out of this relationship, I'm gonna move on, I'm gonna start over, everything's gonna be better.
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SPEAKER_02: And my physical body tanked, and my emotional body tanked.
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SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't until I began healing my physical body, like looking at nutrition and things like that, and then started to work on, you know, through therapy and kind of going through like and taking responsibility for my part to play and identifying, oh, oh, I was codependent.
9:17
SPEAKER_02: That's what happened, and learning about like, oh, codependent and somebody with addiction goes like hand in hand.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a very common thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and it really, I would say it was sort of like a decade journey for me to finally coming at the end to introducing more of that spiritual piece um and really sort of connecting with my inner self and some things that I had shut off for myself.
9:48
SPEAKER_02: You know, for example, I forgot that I wrote poetry, and that happens to be a very healing process for me.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: So I kind of came this full journey um with that.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: So, so what you're saying completely I relate to.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I had never thought about the chronic pain associated with the pain of uh being in a really difficult relationship.
10:15
SPEAKER_02: But it makes so much sense to me now.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: So so thank you for that.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: It was a huge, it was a huge realization to me when I learned it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and I was so grateful.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'll share with you the man who who really uh brought it to the forefront for me was Dr.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: Peter Prescott, who broke wrote the book Conquer Chronic Pain, an innovative mind-body approach.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: He passed away, but he left us this book.
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SPEAKER_01: And my book is like this companion um uh to his.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like the user's manual to the researchery uh doctory.
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SPEAKER_01: Um he has exercises in the back of the book as well, and and I do too.
10:57
SPEAKER_01: But anyway, this is kind of a match set.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: And he understood, you know, he was the first doctor, and I had been with doctors for like 40 years trying to solve this problem all over the place, um, uh really across the globe.
11:10
SPEAKER_01: Um and he was the first doctor that when I went to him, he's like, I don't need your records or your or your x-rays.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: I I I don't I I I want to know who you are.
11:23
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Now it's interesting because you can take a patient who has a I have a structural uh I had a break in my low back and it it broke the bone and the part of the bone sitting forward and pulling the nerves with it.
11:38
SPEAKER_01: So when you see that on X-ray, I and I'm okay now.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: I had surgery and it's stable, but it took a long time to get it all right.
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SPEAKER_01: If a doctor in the kind of Western medicine reductionist model put an x-ray up that looks just like mine, and he had three different patients with the same condition, one of them would have chronic pain all the time.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: One of them would have chronic pain only when they're stressed, would have pain only when they're stressed, and the other one wouldn't have any pain at all.
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SPEAKER_01: How do you explain that using the x-ray looking at physical symptoms alone?
12:18
SPEAKER_01: You can't.
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SPEAKER_01: And I've been all three of those people, I've experienced all three of those uh things.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: So Western medicine in its current iteration doesn't have a large enough bandwidth because of the limitation of the scientific method, uh, to be able to really get that.
12:40
SPEAKER_01: So we have to go outside of the scientific um area to really kind of understand this.
12:47
SPEAKER_01: And what am I talking about?
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SPEAKER_01: Science can only comment on that which it can measure, observe, and describe.
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SPEAKER_01: So we heal in the all that is.
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SPEAKER_01: Science can only talk about the kind, the part that it can observe, measure, and describe.
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SPEAKER_01: We heal in the all that is.
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SPEAKER_01: So our we have to look kind of we have to look in the all that is for the healing, not just and I'm not dissing science, I'm just saying it has a limitation by definition, and we need to understand that.
13:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh that I just got so excited by that.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I have this picture in my mind of sort of this like like grayed out area and one lit up area, which is, you know, scientifically what we can prove, what we see, what we know, you know, what that x-ray is going to show us.
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SPEAKER_02: And but it's so much more dynamic than that.
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SPEAKER_02: And there, if we broaden our scope and our view and we open it up a little bit more, there's more potential to tackling some of the other underlying issues.
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SPEAKER_02: So I for me, like just to kind of bring it back, maybe it's helping people with an example.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: I had chronic migraines, you know, and for sure part of that was diet, and that helped, but the healing related to that was so much deeper than that for me.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I had chronic migraines for seven years.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I know the pain of that.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh, and I yeah, that's that's uh, and it was it was diet, but it was also for me, it was my attitude about the pain.
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SPEAKER_01: I just was, I was, I was so I would so contract, I get so mad, and I'm like, I don't know how to deal with this, and oh my god, it's so horrible.
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SPEAKER_01: And I I kind of went in that space.
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SPEAKER_01: And the very last migraine I had, I remember lying in the bed, there's no sound in the room, it's dark, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm as comfortable as possible, as we all do when we get migraine, right?
14:47
SPEAKER_01: I swear I heard this voice.
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SPEAKER_01: I swear Grace just came down and said, Man, she's had enough.
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SPEAKER_01: Said, Elizabeth, what would it be like to try a contrary action?
15:02
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what would that even be?
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: Clearly, what I'm just doing, clearly what you're doing is not working, right?
15:11
SPEAKER_01: Try a contrary action.
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SPEAKER_01: So instead of me fighting, fighting as strong as I could, because I gotta I can fight, you know, I can I got that, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I've got that down.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like, can you just allow?
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SPEAKER_01: Can you just allow it to be what it is and not and not you know not try and fight it?
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SPEAKER_01: And I did because I'd never never occurred to me to do that before.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I completely switched direction.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know what happened?
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SPEAKER_01: My my I never had another migraine.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it was kind of like a surrendering process.
15:48
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, like instead of fighting, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um it's it's that release, surrender, allow it to be without judging it as negative, and wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, uh, here's something else I think that's really important because um you as you said earlier, um, for instance, we're all kind of programmed when I was a kid, and and uh uh somebody would hurt themselves or I bumped myself or I, you know, whatever the problem was, the adults in the area would rush in to stop the pain, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So we have we're in a war with pain, it's bad.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, we have this, this is all this judgment around it.
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SPEAKER_01: Nobody ever said, but I'm saying it now, pain is part of healing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's part of healing, so let's stop fighting with it.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's understand that it's there to serve us, and we just have to understand his message and get out of its way because the body has this a miraculous uh intelligence in it that knows how to heal, and our attitude about the healing process keeps it from acting, you know, naturally.
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SPEAKER_01: We it gets in the way.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I can relate to that so much.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, and and we we also call in more pain when we sort of complain about it or dwell on it, or it becomes like like it's almost your identity.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a I'm a chronic pain sufferer.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a chronic migraine experiencer, like this is something, this is who I am.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and when we attach an identity to something, our ego doesn't want to let it go.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, then we're really in trouble because we've gotten confused with who we are and who we aren't.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: And just like wow.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: So uh you said you said something really important about widening our view, and that takes us right into the ancestral clearing aspect of because I'm really um I do chronic pain, I help people with chronic pain, and then I I have all these other hats underneath it.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: It sounds like I have all these hats, but ancestral clearing, yoga, meditation, addiction recovery, it's all under this like, can we help with the chronic pain problem?
18:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: So they're all things that I use to help with the chronic pain problem, and the ancestral clearing part is very interesting to me because um spiritual teachers have been telling us forever that we come into this life with the gifts and the burdens of our ancestors.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: And we know from the work with um Watson and Crick uh about DNA that um we we do uh that information's passed to one from one generation to another, eye color, hair color, other kinds of characteristics.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm gonna open that model a little bigger to include kind of the quantum physics in terms of the quantum physics tells us that past in the present moment we can access past, present, and future.
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SPEAKER_01: It's all here.
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SPEAKER_01: So imagine this the egg that was you, Kelly, it wasn't just in your mother first, it was in your grandmother first.
19:19
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you're experiencing the frequency of energy that your mother felt and your grandmother.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: And the egg that was you that was in your grandmother first, that she was in her grandmother.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: See, and it goes back and back like that.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of a another way of understanding like how does this stuff get passed down from one thing to another, one person to another, one generation to another.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's really interesting to me.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Now, I I do ancestor cloning, I've been in this uh for um a little over eight and a half years and um work the process with somebody almost every day on the planet somewhere, um, with the virtual, this beautiful virtual world we have.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, I do and I do group group and and individual stuff.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh when we're when COVID isn't happening, I I do live sessions out of the world, which is kind of fun.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: But um the important thing is that it's important to recognize that who I am in this moment, I'm the culmination of of a lot of trial and error that happened, you know, through many generations that came to me.
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SPEAKER_01: And now I have the opportunity to um what am I gonna do with this information?
20:47
SPEAKER_01: Now, not all the information is positive, some of it is is um the result of unresolved trauma uh all unresolved uh traumas and experiences in past lifetimes.
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SPEAKER_01: For instance, um, most viewers probably know someone, perhaps the women in their family, but not necessarily, who's a chronic worrier.
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SPEAKER_01: Worry, they carry worry energy, they're always worrying about fretting, fretting, right?
21:16
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: That's not necessarily something they they developed in that they may have developed in this lifetime, but more likely they came in with that.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: They kind of come in with I came in with um I came in with uh with a gift of gratitude, which was interesting because that's always been a tool for me.
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SPEAKER_01: When things get bad, I'm like, oh, but I have this, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I've always done that, and I didn't dream that up.
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SPEAKER_01: It was the gift that came with me.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: But I also had um I also came in with um a very high uh energy of um some of which was uh contributed into my um early life, but I I still feel like I came in with uh a lot of um oh now what's gonna happen kind of energy.
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SPEAKER_01: Very anticipated, you know, like uh oh, you know, so hyper-vigilant kind of.
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SPEAKER_01: Now that's something that of course my own childhood experiences really lock that in.
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SPEAKER_01: But I feel like I I kind of always had this.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: And that makes sense too, because how else are we supposed to stay safe in the world um to reproduce to the next generation?
22:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: So you see, this stuff comes down with us.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: It's those are just two very small examples of.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: Many.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very relatable, you know, and uh I think it's relatable for parents too.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: You know, you sort of have this plan for your kiddos, and then they're born, and then they have these identities and these like, you know, um qualities that they're born with that you didn't necessarily foster in them.
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SPEAKER_02: They just they have it.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: And and from where did it come?
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SPEAKER_02: You know, sometimes you wonder.
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SPEAKER_02: And I can relate to it individually in that I can remember being very hyper-vigilant as a child, and there wasn't really an environmental reason for it.
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SPEAKER_02: I was just sort of born that way, came in with a lot of um just empathic tendencies, like very much reading the literal room, reading people created a lot of anxiety as a kid because I felt other people's emotions and I thought they were mine, and it was confusing.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: And I sort of shut down all my gifts when I was very little because um it was too much.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: And I realized that it made me too much.
23:51
SPEAKER_02: People felt like, oh, she's too much, she's too emotional, she's got too much.
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SPEAKER_02: And I realized that wasn't desirable to other people and just like went into that codependent, people-pleasing.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be who people need me to be because it keeps me safer.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Most of the, I mean, I'm I Kapoor Monte would say uh all of our behaviors are to keep us safe.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: They're all, they're all they're all that's they're all honest.
24:19
SPEAKER_01: They're all honest, right?
24:21
SPEAKER_01: So um so we come into this world with certain tendencies.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: Um I had left-handedness and um and that created some, and I had a kind of a learning, I it wasn't it's not full-blown dyslexia, and they didn't even know what that was back when I was in school, but um, they'd have a name for that.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: But I had a tendency, so I I had difficulty with math, but I I had, you know, I had difficulty with with certain things and and uh had to overcompens, you know, I had to figure out my way in the world.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: And and um I don't think that was necessarily developmental.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: I think it came in with me.
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SPEAKER_01: Just come in with handedness.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: That's that's how we come in, and then we you know, all right.
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SPEAKER_01: So anyway, so we we come in with these things, and ancestral clearing is a way to help us release some of that burden.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: And I'd like to just give you the listener, everyone, an experience, just a just a couple of minutes of of what it what it feels like.
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SPEAKER_01: So what we're doing in this practice is we're we're asking creator energy, the source of all it is, to come in on our behalf and and help and offer up through the process of forgiveness, meaning offering up, offering up our burden to it to help us, uh help us release it.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: We're not asking it to get rid of anything.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: We're not that's not what we're doing.
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SPEAKER_01: We're asking it to help us release what we're carrying.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: So that's the process.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: And and what I'd love for everyone to do is just notice kind of what they're feeling in their body.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: We need you to stay as present as you can just while I while I uh and let these words just kind of wash over you.
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SPEAKER_01: Creator, all that you are, source of all that is, was, and ever will be.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: We ask humbly and gratefully that you help everyone listening to this and all their relationships, all their ancestors and all their relationships through all time, space, dimension realms, lifetimes and incarnations.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: For all the times you weren't nurtured, loved, supported the way you needed, anytime you were abandoned, times you abandoned others, weren't able to support love and nurture others the way they needed, and any time you weren't able to love yourselves.
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SPEAKER_01: Please help you all forgive each other, help you all forgive yourselves, please.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: For any time we you believed or felt or were shown you weren't enough, for the times you tried to earn or learn your way into the value of your family, your relationships, or into the grace and the love of the Creator.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: For all that led up to this, please help you all to forgive each other, forgive yourselves.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: Be at peace with each other and at peace with yourselves.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: Please and thank you.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: For all empathic hurts and wrongs, times you took on others' unresolved issues, carried or shouldered their burdens, for all adversity, struggle, and hardship you saw, especially as children.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Please help all of you to forgive each other, forgive yourselves, all family members' relationships, times this was done to you, and times you did this to others.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: Please and thank you.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: Please and thank you.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: For the times you weren't shown or encouraged to stand up, speak up, and do things in your way.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: For the times you didn't feel safe to say no when appropriate.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: Please help you all forgive each other, help you all forgive yourselves.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: Parents, family members, relationships, help them all forgive you and help you all forgive yourselves.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: Please and thank you.
29:27
SPEAKER_01: Please and thank you.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Please lead, guide, and direct all of you into your perfect light, love and light.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: Now and forever, please and thank you.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: Now take a breath in and let it out.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: And then what feels in the body.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: That was incredible.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: I if if it if it's okay with you, can I just describe kind of what I felt?
29:53
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes, please, please share.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: So immediately I felt the room open.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: I felt space open.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: I felt like I had support at my back.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: I felt like I had hands over my heart.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: And it I got a little emotional.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: That was just such a beautiful practice and so simple.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: That felt really good.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: You can see why I like to do this.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: It's one of my favorite things to do.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: I really fell in love with practice.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I have this science background.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: I've got one foot in the science world and one foot in the spiritual world.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: And I I walked in and was not expecting this when it when it was presented to me.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: And I was in so much pain.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: And I was in a room full of other people that had uh were were loaded up with pain.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: And we all felt a release of the pain afterwards.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: And we I was just look, I was just looking around going, what is the happening?
30:58
SPEAKER_01: I got this researchery mind on, like, right?
31:00
SPEAKER_01: I had my my science hat on, and I'm like, what's happening here?
31:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, can we measure this?
31:06
SPEAKER_01: I know something happened.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: Can we measure this?
31:08
SPEAKER_01: And is it reproducible?
31:10
SPEAKER_01: And how do we research this?
31:11
SPEAKER_01: You know, like it was just like yeah, I and I went to the first uh training that I could.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: This is a process um that's been uh uh uh trademarked and registered by John Newton of Health Beyond Belief.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: And uh he teaches it.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: There's only one man that teaches this practice, and it and it's John.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: And I I I'm one of his practitioners, and I took the first training I could find as soon as I got out of that uh experience.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: I the first time I'm just like I gotta go learn this.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's amazing.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: And I I have to say, like, I I feel really good.
31:48
SPEAKER_02: And it also makes me sort of, I'm like you, like a foot in the science world, a foot in the spiritual world.
31:54
SPEAKER_02: That's why I'm doing this podcast because it both worlds excite me.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, sort of figuring out how to make them mesh better together excites me.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: But I think about, you know, we talk about measuring and what is like what is observable, right?
32:10
SPEAKER_02: Like if we're doing a scientific experiment, we're looking for like what is the change, what do we see?
32:16
SPEAKER_02: But I've also done a lot of outcomes measurement, which is sort of not looking at the direct output of something, but the outcome.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: So looking at what is the outcome of that, and not what what is in the immediate that we can observe and see and is happening here, but as a result of that moving forward, what does somebody's life look like if they're accepting that deep a level of of forgiveness and and healing and almost taking on healing for present, past, and future times, how does that then inform how someone moves forward in their life and what they do with their life?
33:06
SPEAKER_02: And so I'm just uh kind of like curious, you know, is there a different way, uh a new way of sort of looking at what the outcome is versus what that direct link is to what just happened in the moment, you know?
33:25
SPEAKER_01: Well, I I love the question and and um and I feel like it's it's absolutely valid.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: Um what I would say is I noticed uh that I feel lighter when I do this work.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: And uh I felt it a lot when I I felt a lot when I first, oh man, I had to drink to make sure I had drink drink plenty of water and had you know root vegetables for grounding in my in my my diet and just to kind of help me, you know, because I felt so much lighter, right?
33:56
SPEAKER_01: So if you imagine that we come into this world with the gifts and the burdens of our ancestors, and and if we had a pair of glasses on, they'd be they'd be colored, they'd be they'd be clouded with the with the burden.
34:08
SPEAKER_01: And as we do this work, the glasses become less and less cloudy.
34:14
SPEAKER_01: And then we can see, oh, now I know what my purpose, what my mission is on the planet.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: Now I know I'm here.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I can now I see it, now I can do it.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of the way, for instance, like I found my voice.
34:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, you you wouldn't think with somebody like I got no problem sitting here with Kelly in a cock podcast and you know talking about the problem.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: You would not think that I was this like you know, shrinking violet, wanting to disappear into the woodwork, you know, because I've because I've been so uh had so much burden around uh speaking up.
34:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm kind of a living example of how that can blossom, right?
34:52
SPEAKER_02: Agreed, same.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: And I I'm sure people would think, like, I she's never had trouble talking.
34:59
SPEAKER_02: She seems like it's the opposite.
35:01
SPEAKER_02: She, you know, can't, but I I same.
35:04
SPEAKER_02: I was very much a shrinking violet.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of it had to do with just feeling like I wasn't good enough.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: And I I believe that that's an ancestral pattern that I came into life with.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: And and I've been told as much, you know, doing some energy healing over time that I was born with that.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: And I had somebody actually in a in a Reiki healing remove it from from me.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: And um, I had had that messaging in my mind my just my whole life, like just this repeat pattern.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm not good enough, not good enough, not good enough.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: And then it was just gone.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: You know, they they removed it and I was like, whoa.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: So the mental piece that that repetitive voice in my head left me.
35:52
SPEAKER_02: And I I feel like that was such a a catalyst for me, also finding my voice and then feeling like it doesn't matter if what I do is perfect or not, it just matters that I go out there and learning that I'm more of an experiential learner.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: So I had always identified my failures as I'm a failure versus I'm an experiential learner, which means sometimes I make mistakes.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: And but because I frequently make mistakes, I also frequently find the better way to do things, and I'm good at explaining to other people how to do that.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: So I can pass forward my knowledge.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: That's a gift.
36:38
SPEAKER_02: That's like the gift for me that was hidden underneath.
36:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm not good enough.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, beautiful.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, I have a one of my teachers, Rolf Gates, beautiful yoga teacher.
36:48
SPEAKER_01: He he says, We learn to live life by living it.
36:54
SPEAKER_01: And I wrote this thing on uh the five gratitudes, the five forgivenesses and the five gratitudes.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: And my last one, my last forgiveness of the five, and my last gratit of the five gratitudes was I forgive for having to learn life by living it.
37:11
SPEAKER_01: And then I the last gratitude is I'm grateful for getting to learn to live life by living it.
37:17
unknown: Right.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: But you know what?
37:19
SPEAKER_02: That brings me back to what you were saying earlier about when we give pain a label of being negative, you know.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: So when we can release the label and let things be as they are, not trying to define them, but to let them just be, it gives us a lot more freedom.
37:43
SPEAKER_02: And and I can relate to that feeling of feeling a unburdened, a little bit lighter, you know, and then being like, okay, well, let me crown myself a little bit.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll be having some more root vegetables today.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that's amazing.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a it's a very fun practice.
38:03
SPEAKER_01: And that was just what, a minute and a half or something, uh 60 seconds, whatever.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: It's just a short little um, my sessions are 50 minutes long, and you know, kind of whatever's coming up for you.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Again, like you, we do the work in the moment, it's all what's in the field in this moment, and and we work with that.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: And so I I you know people say, Well, what is gonna happen?
38:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: We'll see what happens when we do the work.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: We'll just see what shows up when we do the work, right?
38:33
SPEAKER_01: It's pretty cool.
38:34
SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a beautiful uh and it's also I I love it because I'm not doing the work, it's creators doing the work.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm just you know, allowing the space, kind of a little bit of a guide, um, helping the client to focus, and and that that's my so I don't have to like you know, all I have to do is do that.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: It's so easy.
38:57
unknown: Right.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: And don't we want everything to be easy?
39:00
SPEAKER_02: But we're so good at making things hard.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
39:05
SPEAKER_02: That's like that's like human experience in a nutshell.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: We we've everything comes to us, we're born in ease and we make it hard.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: That's our conditioning, right?
39:16
SPEAKER_01: That's and and in this world nowadays, um that space that you and I are talking about, the being space, where we're just attending to what's coming to us in this present moment, um, that can be more and more elusive because uh we're we go faster and faster, and deadlines are looming uh sooner and sooner, and we we get into this doing, doing, doing space, and um we forget how to be.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: It's not exactly taught in school.
39:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it'd be really cool if we taught meditation and and and and kind of like this flow state stuff in school, um, so that so that we we would understand how to move in the world more effectively and with more ease and grace.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:02
SPEAKER_02: I I work with kids in my day job.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: And if anything, these past couple years we've learned uh the implications of you know social distancing and you know, literally cutting people off from each other and how as human beings we thrive in our connection.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: And I, you know, I work with kids with special needs and multiple disabilities, and so like disconnecting them from the presence of people has been just really traumatic, I think.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I I hope some people don't hear that and say, well, that's really like excessive, but I think it is traumatic, and we're noticing, you know, things like preschoolers having to sit at desks and not on the floor playing with each other and engaging with each other.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: And so one of my passions is how do we bring that mindfulness and um that healing space to our kiddos because their resiliency is so important.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you know, and you've said the magic word connection.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, when I took biology, which is a while ago, um uh this was not part of the list, but it is now.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: Connection is a biological imperative, you know, that that was not connection is a biological imperative, it was not a list of biological imperatives.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: It is when I took biology, but it is now, and I on and so uh so important um to recognize that um, you know, quantum physics tells us that we're not just connected, we're enmeshed and entangled.
41:56
SPEAKER_01: So what happens to one happens to all.
42:01
SPEAKER_01: And so how do we do with that?
42:04
SPEAKER_01: It's a mystic nerd squad territory here.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: What do we do with that?
42:10
SPEAKER_01: So the way I kind of you know see that is I'm you know, I as Elizabeth, I'm here in this this is in this field.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: What I'm putting out, I try and put out things that are consciously put out, intentionally put out, you know, and what kind of energies behind that.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, am I am I all upset and angry, or am I putting out, you know, positive healing kind of energy?
42:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I I I try and put out that kind of energy.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: And I and I feel like if the education community could focus on that and understand how connected we really are and the importance of children staying in this connection, uh co-regulated um uh uh space, that uh we would we would have a real drop in the depression rate and this all this trouble that just suicide rate and so forth that we're having with teens.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: I I just that's just where I would come from.
43:09
SPEAKER_02: 100%.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: I'm with you.
43:11
SPEAKER_02: And uh I'm an occupational therapist.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: My specialty is sensory integration.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: I work on regulation a lot with with my students, and um I see so much empowerment come from that ability to sort of identify how you're feeling, to recognize choice.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, I feel angry, I can choose to hit someone, which is not a good choice, or I can choose tools that help me to regulate myself and to be back available to learn.
43:48
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like I kind of get to get in there in that healing place, you know, while still remaining in the realm of the scope of practice and working in a school and working with children.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, really I'm there as a related service professional there to support them in their participation in school.
44:10
SPEAKER_02: But, you know, I have this deeper underlying understanding of their neurological system.
44:18
SPEAKER_02: And if they're in any kind of a state of fight, flight, or freeze, they're not available to learn.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: So I can come in and help them learn how to be more available to learn and to self-regulate and co-regulate.
44:34
SPEAKER_02: And because that makes them so much available to participate, whether it's social, whether it's academic, whether it's eating, whatever it is, but it builds towards that connection and being plugged in versus internalized and distanced.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: And the only thing I would add to that, which you've just laid out a whole buffet of beautiful um uh teachings and learnings that the students uh would experience, would be that the teachers need to take responsibility and understand how important their co-regulation skills are with the students.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: If they just become aware of what co-regulation is and kind of how it's done um in a healthy way, I I just feel like it would it would just um that part of it would be would be helpful as well.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: That's 100% that's one of my passions, you know.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: Over I've I've been practicing in schools for over 20 years.
45:38
SPEAKER_02: And one of my most favorite things to do is to help teachers and staff identify their own challenges with self-regulation.
45:48
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, like the difference between me walking into a room and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna give your kid a wiggly seat because they need to move to learn.
45:55
SPEAKER_02: And like some teachers are up for the chaos.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: And some, it's going to disrupt their system.
46:02
SPEAKER_02: And I will never set a teacher up to fail.
46:05
SPEAKER_02: So I have to understand their system.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: And I think that next step is that like understanding our own regulation.
46:13
SPEAKER_02: And just like you said earlier, you know, you're consciously in the state of being where you're putting out very positive energy and healing energy.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: And you've healed and released the pain that you had and all of the things that are associated with that, so that you're now a catalyst for healing versus the opposite.
46:39
SPEAKER_02: And we're all powerful in how we can do that.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: And that piece that you said beyond connection, the emeshment and entanglement really makes sense to me.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad you're in that space in the education.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: That's wonderful what you're doing.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: Well, you're what you're explaining to me is sort of giving me that like, aha, ah, this is where you're you're getting it right.
47:08
SPEAKER_02: And your intuition to sort of go this route.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: But it may look like I'm this lens, but I'm so much bigger than that.
47:18
SPEAKER_02: And I can both be there and here and still falling within the the expected role um working in a school.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: And and I feel like we all can do that.
47:30
SPEAKER_01: We all have that power.
47:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:32
SPEAKER_01: It's just a matter of kind of like, you know, what's the conditioning uh that we're carrying that we need to kind of clear, clear, uh, you know, release and transmute, transform uh to get there.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Consciously to get there.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Consciously.
47:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:48
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
47:50
SPEAKER_02: I I'm so glad other people are listening to this, but I I feel personally like this was so good for me.
47:58
SPEAKER_02: Selfishly, I I I have like the best job in the world getting to be uh on the other side of the screen from my guests.
48:06
SPEAKER_02: And Elizabeth, this has been amazing.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: I certainly have enjoyed it.
48:10
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
48:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I just want to take a little bit of time for you to share how people can connect with you, some things you have coming up, and for sure where they can get your book and um get more opportunities to connect uh with you because your your healing power is tremendous.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh you guys can find me at uh elisabeth hyphen kipp.com.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: That's K-I-P-P.
48:39
SPEAKER_01: You gotta put the hyphen in there because Elizabeth Kip.com uh is uh is a web designer and an amazing photographer, but she's not me.
48:48
SPEAKER_01: So Elizabeth Hyphen Kip, and you'll find me, right?
48:52
SPEAKER_01: And uh you'll find all my social media links on the website.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh I I have private uh sessions.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: I teach uh trauma-informed yoga uh once a week uh online.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: Uh you can get the recording if you if you if you're interested in, but you can't do it at that time.
49:08
SPEAKER_01: I'll just send you the recording as anyone that registers can can uh grab the recording.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: You can get my book at the website as well.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm just gonna say uh we're about to release the third book in the series, The Ancestors Within.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: Amy Gillespie-Dharty is the lead uh author on that.
49:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm uh there's 25 of his co-authors now.
49:28
SPEAKER_01: I think it's really interesting.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: This is the third book.
49:31
SPEAKER_01: She's got a series of four.
49:33
SPEAKER_01: That's almost a hundred uh different people in the ancestral clearing healing space that want to be authors.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: That that's really interesting to me that they're that they're willing to write about their experience, and there's that many people in the ancestral healing arts at this time, which we so need it, right?
49:55
SPEAKER_01: That I was just like, this is such a great project.
49:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's no mistakes.
50:00
SPEAKER_02: There's no mistakes.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: And then I'm right there with you in this um sort of movement to empower people that it can be as simple as purchasing a book and getting 25 tools and being able to heal yourself.
50:20
SPEAKER_02: I I love that we're moving from the idea of we have a guru we go to to like I have that potential within me.
50:27
SPEAKER_02: All I need is a little bit of information and support, and I can get there.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, I also want to point out the this book that I have that goes along with that collection.
50:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, Elizabeth is in here, The Ancestors Within Journal, which uh I haven't started yet, but I'm kind of really looking forward to diving into that and going through all those different tools and journaling activities.
50:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think this work that you're doing is amazing.
50:55
SPEAKER_02: I think you're amazing.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: And um, I'm sure as people are catching this now or catching it in the replay, they can kind of feel all the positive energy that we've just released into the world.
51:07
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like if we do that, we've done our job and we can feel really good about ourselves as we go forward.
51:16
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
51:17
SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much uh for this opportunity.
51:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's great to spend some time with you, Kelly.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: Take care.
51:22
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
51:23
SPEAKER_02: Have a good one, everybody, and stay curious.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: Bye now.