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J.T.'s Holiday Special · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: The following program is a special presentation.
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  Speaker 2: That's the spirit you'll be celebrating life day before you
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  Speaker 2: know it.
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  Speaker 3: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 3: Picture Association of America.
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  Speaker 4: It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 5: Power, power, power.
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  Speaker 6: I've always had a thing for Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 7: You're gonna have to provide more.
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  Speaker 8: Cooling in the containment.
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  Speaker 2: Chambers. Do your stint, James.
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  Speaker 9: We've got to do it.
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  Speaker 10: I feel like George Wallace campaigning in Harlem.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 11: Welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Alan.
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  Speaker 11: Happy Life Day!
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  Speaker 6: Happy Life Day!
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  Speaker 11: It's the holiday special, and so here we obviously don't
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  Speaker 11: want to pick one. holiday so we'll just go with
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  Speaker 11: the most movie geek oriented version life day everyone's favorite
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  Speaker 11: holiday special mostly lucy.
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  Speaker 6: When you were able to ruin two things that i
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  Speaker 6: held dear to my heart simultaneously star wars and christmas.
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  Speaker 11: Wasn't my fault i blame i can't even blame lucas
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  Speaker 11: really because he even didn't have anything to do with
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  Speaker 11: that it got like shoved off on some network executive
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  Speaker 11: so Let's blame network executives. They're probably guilty of many
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  Speaker 11: of the evils of society now.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I still, Harvey Korman was the bomb in that.
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  Speaker 11: I don't see how anybody can fault his performance.
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  Speaker 6: Or Bea Arthur's.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Bea Arthur was great.
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  Speaker 11: Art Carney, though, was phony, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not his best work.
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  Speaker 9: Definitely was not.
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  Speaker 12: How did it ruin Christmas as a whole?
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  Speaker 6: Well, just the concept of holiday, really.
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  Speaker 11: Have you seen? Were you there for that one? I
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  Speaker 11: can't remember.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I went back and watched it after.
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  Speaker 6: Because of the ringing endorsement.
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  Speaker 11: I was curious. It does suck the life out of
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  Speaker 11: you a little bit, but I don't know about ruining
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  Speaker 11: the entire holiday season.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 11: You're a sadist.
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  Speaker 1: For what it was.
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  Speaker 12: I was like, this is just such a weird thing.
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  Speaker 12: I was watching a lot of weird movies at that time.
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  Speaker 11: It's a very weird thing.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: The animated part's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It is kind of delightful just to know that it exists.
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  Speaker 1: To know that it exists, you have to watch it.
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  Speaker 11: Now, I posted that one later. Did you see that
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  Speaker 11: other one I ran across that was like... I'm trying
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  Speaker 11: to think who it was. It was one of those, like,
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  Speaker 11: kind of the Donny and Marie special of the moment.
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  Speaker 11: You know, back when they had their show and they'd
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  Speaker 11: ice skate and disco dance or whatever they'd do that week.
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  Speaker 11: And it was kind of that era. And they were
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  Speaker 11: doing a, like, a Star Wars-themed segment that goes on for, like,
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  Speaker 11: 20 minutes. And it's got, um... I think the voice
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  Speaker 11: of Darth Vader is, what's his name that does Tony
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  Speaker 11: the Tiger?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, Thoreau Ravenscroft?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 11: He was the voice of Darth Vader because that's what
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  Speaker 11: they could get.
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  Speaker 13: I guess.
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  Speaker 11: But I'm like, well, I mean, that's a lateral move.
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  Speaker 11: That's amazing. He's equally as awesome as James Earl Jones.
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  Speaker 11: And then what was the other? They had so many
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  Speaker 11: weird people come in. I'll have to see if I
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  Speaker 11: can find it again and repost it because it was like,
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  Speaker 11: It was like last Christmas, maybe, but it was the weirdest.
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  Speaker 11: And possibly what the holiday special should have been, because
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  Speaker 11: it was kind of awesomely put together. Maybe I'll see if.
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  Speaker 9: I can dig it up here.
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  Speaker 6: Did any cats die in that one?
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  Speaker 11: You're jumping ahead.
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  Speaker 6: I am jumping ahead.
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  Speaker 11: We'll get to that later.
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  Speaker 1: What about Jefferson Airplane?
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  Speaker 11: There was no Jefferson, which maybe, again, might have been
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  Speaker 11: a little bit of a boost.
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  Speaker 1: Were they Jefferson Airplane, or is that what turned them
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  Speaker 1: into Jefferson Starship, was doing that?
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  Speaker 11: I thought they were Starship at that point, because if
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  Speaker 11: you watch the special, there's no Grace involved. So it
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  Speaker 11: was post-Grace getting out of there.
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  Speaker 1: There was no Grace involved.
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  Speaker 11: But before she came back.
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  Speaker 6: That's an understatement.
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  Speaker 11: So, yeah, I think it might have been the Jefferson
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  Speaker 11: Starship era, but not Starship era.
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  Speaker 1: This is important. It really is. We need to know that.
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  Speaker 12: How do you just know the voice of Tony the Tiger?
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  Speaker 6: Because he's a fascinating person. He is pretty awesome. He
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  Speaker 6: did stuff for Elvis. He did a lot of Elvis
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  Speaker 6: movie backup singing and a lot of stuff for Disney,
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  Speaker 6: like various Disney rides. He was super prolific, but only
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  Speaker 6: did awesome stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Only did awesome stuff.
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  Speaker 6: And has an awesome name, if that is in fact
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  Speaker 6: what it is. Is that, in fact, what it is?
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  Speaker 11: Okay, I'm looking it up to make sure. And the
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  Speaker 11: sad thing is I was right. It is a Donnie
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  Speaker 11: and Marie sketch off of their show. But the cast
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  Speaker 11: alone is amazing. First of all, it involves Paul Lind.
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  Speaker 1: Yay.
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  Speaker 11: We're already in, like, a whole new territory. Thoreau Ravenscroft, Donnie,
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  Speaker 11: let's see. There's an R2-D2 that comes into play. I'm
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  Speaker 11: trying to think what the rest of the cast was.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, wait, I forgot.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 11: So the voice of the Force comes in. I guess
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  Speaker 11: he's supposed to be Obi-Wan, if I remember, towards the end,
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  Speaker 11: which is Red Fox.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, great.
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  Speaker 1: He is the Force.
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  Speaker 11: He is the Force, if you ask me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I'm amazed by this.
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  Speaker 4: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
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  Speaker 4: There was an evil force at work to destroy the
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  Speaker 4: values by which decent people lived. Values like patriotism, cleanliness, thrift,
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  Speaker 4: and good dental hygiene. Did the evil force win the battle?
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  Speaker 4: That's for us to know and you to find out.
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  Speaker 5: Princess Leia, our goose is cooked Unless we lift off
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  Speaker 5: of the star Luke.
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  Speaker 14: I know you're right We just gotta take flight Before
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  Speaker 14: they find out where we are God will keep searching.
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  Speaker 8: Up and down Till he finds our hiding place Before
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  Speaker 8: very long They'll know we're gone Got to get lost
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  Speaker 8: in space.
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  Speaker 13: You know, things are changing out here in space. I
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  Speaker 13: come from a distant planet called Sanford. My planet has
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  Speaker 13: its own moon, its own stars, and its own galaxy.
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  Speaker 13: But this year, Sanford has no sun.
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  Speaker 11: Thought you'd get away. Don't you know you'll never escape
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  Speaker 11: from the farce?
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  Speaker 4: That's the force.
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  Speaker 12: I don't buy you grammar at a time like this.
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  Speaker 6: Get your big ape hands off me.
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  Speaker 11: I'll have to post it again on the old Facebook
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  Speaker 11: page so you guys can share because it is on
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  Speaker 11: YouTube right there and it's a nightmare.
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  Speaker 6: Why did we not watch this for today's episode? I
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  Speaker 6: feel like I would not have spent the morning crying inconsolably.
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  Speaker 6: If that had been our choice. Maybe in a different way.
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  Speaker 1: If I remember Donnie and Marie, you probably would have.
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  Speaker 11: We'll have something to look forward to next year. So,
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  Speaker 11: following that tradition, occasionally we will kick things off with
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  Speaker 11: a holiday rant. Does anyone have any specific thing? I mean,
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  Speaker 11: in previous years, it's been usually me complaining about some
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  Speaker 11: holiday special or possibly ruining Lucy's life in some other fashion, but...
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  Speaker 11: If you have any other holiday-related, it doesn't really have
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  Speaker 11: to be a rant. You could have a good memory, too,
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  Speaker 11: if you'd like. Any holiday-related items you wanted to attend to?
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  Speaker 1: I heard somebody say the other day, sort of funny,
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  Speaker 1: one of the guys in government, she said, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: an 11-month streak of no Jingle Bell Rock was just ending.
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  Speaker 7: Damn it!
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm on the precipice of a couple
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  Speaker 1: of rants, but I think maybe I ought to just
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  Speaker 1: pull back from the edge. So I think I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to pass.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, so with that out of the way, we can
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  Speaker 11: also address other important social issues of the day. I
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  Speaker 11: will at least give credit where credit is due. Did
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  Speaker 11: anybody see the middle this past week?
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  Speaker 6: Can't say we did.
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  Speaker 11: It's one of those I didn't expect to like that show.
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  Speaker 11: It's actually pretty damn funny. I have to give him credit.
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  Speaker 11: It's a random sitcom. But anyway, one of the running
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  Speaker 11: jokes on the Christmas episode this year was the older
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  Speaker 11: son and his friends got into a fight, eventually like
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  Speaker 11: a physical fight, over King Moon Racer. Are you familiar
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  Speaker 11: with the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer stop-motion animation special of
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  Speaker 11: King Moon Racer? No.
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  Speaker 12: He has his own special?
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  Speaker 11: No, it's Rudolph. You've never seen the Rudolph special.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't remember him as a character.
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  Speaker 11: I remember Rudolph.
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  Speaker 6: It's like a huge part of him.
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  Speaker 14: And I remember.
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  Speaker 12: He's the king of the land of.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, the Island of Misfit Toys.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 11: So that was the question is, is he a toy?
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  Speaker 11: Everything else on the list. the island is a toy.
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  Speaker 11: So is he a toy or is he a living creature?
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  Speaker 11: And if so, why is he the only one on
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  Speaker 11: this island and ruling over a whole group of toys?
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  Speaker 12: Didn't he declare himself to be just kind of a benevolent,
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  Speaker 12: caretaker of these toys until they could all find a home.
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  Speaker 12: Maybe he's just a really good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Just moral authority.
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  Speaker 11: Kind of, but then in listening to his little speech
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  Speaker 11: he gives Rudolph and them, he specifically says they can't
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  Speaker 11: stay on the island because living creatures can't hide on
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  Speaker 11: an island. They have to go back into the world.
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  Speaker 11: So either he's not a living creature, he is a toy,
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  Speaker 11: or he makes the rules but he doesn't have to
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  Speaker 11: follow them.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: You've given me something to think about.
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  Speaker 11: I think it's something for all of us to think about.
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  Speaker 1: There was somebody there who wasn't a misfit. Which character?
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  Speaker 1: I overheard somebody arguing about whether somebody was a misfit
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  Speaker 1: and whether they belonged there, but I can't remember which
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  Speaker 1: character it was.
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  Speaker 4: Was it in the main group?
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  Speaker 12: Was it Cornelius the Miner?
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  Speaker 1: Is he a misfit? Not really.
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  Speaker 12: He's just kind of mining for gold and silver.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: He's an odd character, I'll give you that.
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  Speaker 12: He just kind of goes along with them. I watched
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  Speaker 12: this last year with Imogen. Do you remember how much
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  Speaker 12: of a dick Santa is?
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  Speaker 11: See, that was going to be one of mine. I'm like,
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  Speaker 11: what exactly are we passing on to children?
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  Speaker 1: It's really terrible in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 11: I kind of went off on that the other day
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  Speaker 11: because somebody was talking about it and they were complaining
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  Speaker 11: that it was badly written overall. And this was somebody
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  Speaker 11: that was older than I. Usually we get nostalgic of
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  Speaker 11: a certain era. This was somebody even older that had
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  Speaker 11: watched it with their kids and then re-watched it this
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  Speaker 11: year and was just like, I don't remember it being
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  Speaker 11: this bad. And I'm like, I don't know that it
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  Speaker 11: was bad as far as the writing, but why is
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  Speaker 11: Santa such a jackass? And like, not just a little bit,
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  Speaker 11: like the fact that he's like, number one, how dare
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  Speaker 11: you have a child that's different?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Number two, hide your identity. And if not, everyone will
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  Speaker 11: mock you and that's okay. And the worst of all
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  Speaker 11: to me is we're going to shun you and treat
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  Speaker 11: you like a freak the entire time in your life.
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  Speaker 11: Except when we need you. When it's convenient for us
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  Speaker 11: to have you. Oh no, we'll welcome you with open arms.
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  Speaker 11: Santa's kind of a jerk.
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  Speaker 12: What sticks out to me is the scene where the
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  Speaker 12: elf choir is singing and their choir leader is really
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  Speaker 12: kind of anxious about impressing Santa. And the whole time
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  Speaker 12: they're singing, he's just like looking back. He's got this
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  Speaker 12: look of fear on his face. And then at the end,
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  Speaker 12: all Santa says.
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  Speaker 4: Is, it needs work.
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  Speaker 1: And then he just leaves and slams the door.
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  Speaker 12: And that's it.
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  Speaker 11: That is a jerk.
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  Speaker 12: They put that together for him as a gift, and
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  Speaker 12: he just.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do remember him being a dick. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have that vivid a memory of it. I haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: it in a while. I mean, he really.
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  Speaker 11: And again, now you can.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole Rudolph thing kind of has that.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, even the story itself, the song and all
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  Speaker 11: of that is based on kind of like We're going
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  Speaker 11: to make fun of you. But when it's working out
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  Speaker 11: for us, when you can help us, well, then it's okay.
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  Speaker 11: Then we love you and we'll sing songs about you.
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  Speaker 11: But only when you get us something. I don't know.
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  Speaker 11: It's not really a good message to send along every year.
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  Speaker 12: I feel like I saw a movie about that earlier
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  Speaker 12: this year, except it was with gay people helping the minors.
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  Speaker 12: It was called Pride. And that's just the parallel I drew.
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  Speaker 11: Well, it kind of was when I've watched it recently, though.
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  Speaker 11: This whole, like, we want you to hide who you are, Rudolph,
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  Speaker 11: that goes on in the whole first part of that.
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  Speaker 11: I'm just like, you can make analogies about that now. Like,
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  Speaker 11: you were born this way, but we don't like it,
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  Speaker 11: so we want you to hide who you are in
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  Speaker 11: your entire existence. And if not, you'll be forced to
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  Speaker 11: leave our society. I'm just like, this is kind of
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  Speaker 11: heavy if you want to think about it too much,
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  Speaker 11: which I usually do.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, because I think the moral is supposed to be that,
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  Speaker 12: you know, you can realize that different people are just
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  Speaker 12: as good as you. It just comes across... That came
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  Speaker 12: out all weird. But it comes across the other way. Yeah,
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  Speaker 12: or something like that.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I think I.
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  Speaker 11: With all these, like, kids' specials, I'm like, it's no
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  Speaker 11: wonder our kids, like, flip out and go crazy. Because
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  Speaker 11: that seems like that's what should happen on all these specials.
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  Speaker 11: At some point, Rudolph just needs to lose it and
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  Speaker 11: go crazy and start taking people out, like that Mad
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  Speaker 11: TV sketch.
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  Speaker 1: It just really reflects the culture at the time.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 1: Because it was, like, a really crude, bullying....
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  Speaker 11: Disgusting culture but it's the same thing with charlie brown
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  Speaker 11: i'm like at what point is he gonna snap and
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  Speaker 11: start taking out some of those kids because they like
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  Speaker 11: they push him every holiday.
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  Speaker 15: Special they're like how much of a jackass can we
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  Speaker 15: be and let's all focus it on this one guy
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  Speaker 15: like linus is a weirdo they don't really mess with
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  Speaker 15: him they're just like a nice blanket loser but they
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  Speaker 15: focus all their ridicule on charlie brown they're.
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  Speaker 1: Always were kids yeah everybody that was like the person
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  Speaker 1: to pick on and I remember every now and then
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  Speaker 1: like there was a gym teacher who did that and
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  Speaker 1: he would like call this girl in the class like
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  Speaker 1: this made up name and I just thought man when
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  Speaker 1: I grow up if I run into you on the
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  Speaker 1: street there's going to be a problem there's just something
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  Speaker 1: so nasty about a teacher getting into that I don't
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  Speaker 1: know and that's always the.
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  Speaker 11: Sick things with the holiday specials is it ends in
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  Speaker 11: such a happy note. There's no real revenge. There's no
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  Speaker 11: comeuppance for all the people who were horrible to them.
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  Speaker 11: It's just kind of like, oh, I saved the day,
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  Speaker 11: and now I guess everybody will love me, but they'll
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  Speaker 11: probably continue to be horrible people. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: When your kids are growing up, you remember these movies
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  Speaker 1: that you liked when you were a kid, and you
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  Speaker 1: watch them with your kids, and there's this gulf between
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  Speaker 1: what you remember, and it's like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea. Well, I mean, for me, I
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  Speaker 1: get that even with recent things because I tried to
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  Speaker 1: make my daughter watch Deadwood with me. And like in
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  Speaker 1: the first episode, I'm like, oh, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you want to see. I forgot about the part where
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to push the bullet out of the guy's head.
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  Speaker 1: And she's like really squeamish about it. But it's really
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  Speaker 1: good if you stay with it. Oh, I forgot about
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  Speaker 1: this part, too. Yeah, you're not going to like this.
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  Speaker 6: I'm getting attacked over here.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: The puppy might need to go out for a bit.
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  Speaker 11: Joe, control yourself.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I think all podcasts should have like a maniacal puppy
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: attacking people.
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  Speaker 11: And it's just this undercurrent. Well, I mean, it does
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: seem like there's an uphill battle for podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: He's in Godzilla mode. Come on, pup.
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  Speaker 11: You go that way.
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  Speaker 1: Robo-maker.
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  Speaker 10: All right, on that note, we will take our break
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  Speaker 10: and be back with this week's... Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Cartons of camels are sure to please. Besides, they look
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  Speaker 3: so handsome under Christmas trees. So easy to give, so
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  Speaker 3: It's gift-packed, ready to give, with a space for your greetings.
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  Speaker 9: Why would you use wood to make technology?
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  Speaker 11: Because it's like they're steampunk.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Is steampunk really wood?
• 17:50
  Speaker 11: I thought it was more of a brass thing. Well,
• 17:52
  Speaker 11: you got to work the wood in to hold the
• 17:53
  Speaker 11: brass together. These are the fancy high-end steampunk versions with
• 17:57
  Speaker 11: a mic built in, mind you. But yeah, where would
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• 18:22
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• 18:27
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  Speaker 11: Around the holidays, I was putting that word out. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 11: was like, you know, go ahead and stock up.
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• 18:54
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• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for a while there, we were thinking at the alley,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: we'd have a giant stack of iPads and be like, hey, guys,
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• 19:05
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  Speaker 11: That's a pretty good promo, actually. So anyway, the basic
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• 19:32
  Speaker 11: That's all I'm saying. Christmas is full of holiday cheer.
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  Speaker 8: Hercules!
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  Speaker 7: This holiday season, join Hercules on a mission to spread
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  Speaker 7: the spirit of Christmas and to save one boy from
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: being added to Santa's permanent naughty list.
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  Speaker 1: May that be.
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  Speaker 4: Of the gods be upon you.
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  Speaker 1: May the hatred of men.
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  Speaker 4: Persecute you until you have paid for the blood of
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  Speaker 4: a thief.
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  Speaker 7: Fetch the spirit of Christmas and treat yourself to a
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  Speaker 7: real adventure in this heartfelt, fun-filled movie special.
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  Speaker 2: If you will join me in the conquest of the world...
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  Speaker 2: All mankind will recognize me as their queen and adore
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: you as their one and only God. Love me, Hercules,
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  Speaker 2: and together we shall reign over men and gods.
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: Hercules Saves Christmas, coming this holiday season.
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• 20:49
  Speaker 9: Doo-Wop Shop. We're serious about music.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Hi, this is Lily Tomlin, and I'm moving meltdown.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: With Brian. It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 11: What you want for Christmas, child?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: A cat?
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: What?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I want me this cat I found.
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: You reckon I can have him? Please.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: He's near dead. He needs a home. I don't have
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: me enough trouble. I got to nurse me a half-dead cat.
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: I swear, I ain't got to send you a phone, but.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Anyhow, the only.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Animals they allow in this place is rats.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Aw, Mama, he's liable to die.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Please. Couldn't I have him?
• 22:06
  Speaker 16: Cat's got nine lives. Losing one won't matter much.
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: Santa Claus.
• 22:20
  Speaker 14: Goes straight to the ghetto.
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: Heads up your reindeer.
• 22:27
  Speaker 14: Goes straight to the ghetto Santa Claus, go straight to
• 22:36
  Speaker 14: the ghetto. Fill every stocking you find.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: The kids are going.
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: To love you so.
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: Leave a toy for Johnny. Leave a doll for Mary.
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: Leave something pretty for Donnie. And don't forget about Gary.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 4: Go straight to the ghetto.
• 23:06
  Speaker 14: Santa Claus.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Go straight to the ghetto Tell.
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: Him James Brown sent you Go straight to the ghetto
• 23:20
  Speaker 14: You know that I know what you will see Cause
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: that was once me.
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: Alright, so this week's Holiday Sofa Theater Edition. We kind
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: of threw it out in a different direction. Normally we're
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: very feature based as far as films. We've worked in
• 23:40
  Speaker 11: a few made for TV and I'm kind of fine
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: with that. Again, it's still sort of movie based. I
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: don't mind the made for TV movies as much as
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: some other people out there. But this one's even weird
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: for that because it's part of one of those like
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: playhouse showcase kind of things where they just do different stuff.
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: So out of most of it was just because Fred
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: has discussed this for quite a while now. So do
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: you want to give your history with this one?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I just remember seeing it when I was a kid.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: It was different from other things on TV. And I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: just really, it was one of the few things my
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: brother and I agreed on. We both really liked it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: But weirdly, there's a scene I remember in it that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: isn't in it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: Do you think you're just losing it?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: It's possible, but there are other things like that that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: have happened to me. There was a book my dad read,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and he told me the scene out of it. It
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: stayed with me, and eventually I got around to reading
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the book. Scene, not in there.
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: He was just messing with you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Well, he knew the guy who wrote the book. It's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: possible he had seen an earlier draft. I don't know.
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: Maybe you and your brother were hanging out with JT
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: and you saw like a director's cut somewhere.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I might, yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: I think you got invited to the premiere.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: So what's the scene you remember?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I remembered him sneaking into a hospital to see somebody.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But he, you know, he was by himself. But there
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: was a family going in and there was like a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: little kid at the end of the family holding hands
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: with his brother. And he just grabbed the hand of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the kid and snuck in. And we were like, yes!
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It was like the perfect crime. And it's not in
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the movie. He doesn't visit any.
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: I was going to say, who would he be going
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: to visit?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought it was like... I remember
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: his grandmother was in it. And I thought there was
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: some scene where he went to visit somebody. But this
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: was after, you know, like decades of not seeing it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: Do you think it was another movie? And do we
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: need to figure out what that movie was?
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I bet there's somebody at home right now screaming
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: at their computers.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I did meet the incredible Inman not long ago.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And I tried to grill him on that, but he
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't know anything. He doesn't know anything. He did know JT.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: He knew that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: That's better than most people.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I asked him the question that has haunted
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: us for years. A friend of my daughter's remembered this movie.
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: What is King Moon Racer?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: She remembered a movie vividly, and she said, it's a
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: movie where a guy goes into or through a thing
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: or something. And then, in a garage, something happens, but
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that was before the other thing. And we tried for
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: years to figure out what this was. We thought it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was Drop Dead Fred, but we described that to her. No,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it's this other thing. Eventually found it, it's Don't Look
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Under the Bed. And it is online, on YouTube.
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: What is the thing they go through or into or around?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: They just go through or into a thing or something.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: A guy goes through or into a thing or something.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And that was the clue we had. Eventually we did
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: find it. I'm just proud of that. You don't have
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to call me incredible. I'm not that kind of guy.
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: I think you'd have to bill yourself as that to
• 27:04
  Speaker 11: be here.
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I do have a cape, but I usually don't wear it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: He was wearing it when I got here.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: He's actually wearing it right now.
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: All right, so the official rundown for this one is JT,
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: the year is 1969. The director is Robert M.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Young.
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: We'll throw an extra little shout out. The writer is
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: Jane Wagner, which I'm sure we'll also address later. And
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: the plot, according to IMDb, is JT Gamble, a shy,
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: withdrawn Harlem youngster, shows compassion and responsibility when he takes
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: on the care of an old, one-eyed, badly injured alley
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: cat days before Christmas and secretly nurses.
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: It back to health. Spoilers.
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: Which, actually, there will be one, because the horrible thing
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: that was already alluded to, I kind of didn't see coming.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: I saw it coming from the first time we saw
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: that cat. And I was like, Fred wouldn't do this
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: to me. Fred wouldn't do this to me. Fred wouldn't
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: do this to me. I mean, now Fred did it
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: to me.
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: After I saw it, I was like, well, it makes sense.
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: Every other animal movie about animals with kids, they always
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: end like that. It always goes horrible.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: And also, the plot was going nowhere. Nothing was happening.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: Nothing could happen other than the cat dies tragically.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: But see, I had remembered that the cat went to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the hospital. And the kid snuck in and visited.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: So it's not your fault.
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, not my fault.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: I really, the whole time I was thinking, like, he
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: just wouldn't do that to me. It's too cruel a
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: thing to do to.
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: See, this time it's not even my fault, because I
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: hadn't seen JT. This was my first viewing.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, bawling.
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: No, I honestly didn't see it coming for some reason.
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: I just kind of imagined at the end of it
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: he'd get to take the cat home.
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: And all would be well somehow.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Everything would be okay.
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: Kind of my thinking.
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: It's a pretty benign kind of.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: I really liked it, though.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I was really.
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: The IMDB thinks that he was responsible, but I just...
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: I was really bothered by how he shut the cat
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: in the oven with a radio.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: I was like, he's not going to just walk away.
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: And then he did.
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: It would be fine, except it was really loud, too.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: It's like an active cruelty more than anything.
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: But he keeps locking the cat up in the oven.
• 29:14
  Speaker 16: Why?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: And how did the oven door get put up in
• 29:19
  Speaker 12: the first place?
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: By the time, because I originally was like, how the
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: hell did that cat get in there? But I think
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: if you look at it, that top tray part was gone.
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: So the burners were there, but there was no tray.
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: So he could jump out. Because then that's also why
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: he put the umbrella over there, because snow could fall in.
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: Because that top plate piece was missing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I just remember the oven with the umbrella on. on
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: it being this great image that stayed.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: With me and i loved that umbrella yeah.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: By the way yeah it was cool and i also
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: remember him sharing the sandwich with the cat i just
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: remember as a kid being like wow you can do
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that i don't.
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: Know And my question was, what was that they were eating?
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: It was some sort of sandwich thing. I know school
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: lunches are pretty unidentifiable sometimes, but what the hell was
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: that thing?
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just like that he put ketchup on the
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: fries before he took them to the cat.
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: I like that as he put them in a plastic bag,
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: he put ketchup on them.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of weird little things like that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It just made it feel more like life than most
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: things that you saw on TV.
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: Definitely.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: No, and I think it makes sense, too, that when
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: I looked and saw that the director was primarily a
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: documentary filmmaker, it's all of a sudden that whole verite thing.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: I loved all the angles, all the cameras, all the setups.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: I just thought every sort of shot was just beautifully
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: crafted in a way that you don't think a television
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: film would be.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just have the feeling watching it that somebody knows.
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: What they're doing.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: And is taking some time with it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and that guy also really loves Edward James Olmos.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: If you go further into his, as he goes on,
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: almost every non-documentary project stars Edward James. It's very strange.
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: I'm like, how weird. Because, yeah, they just, I guess,
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: became friends and kept working together.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Like how Jane Wagner and Lily Tomlin just weirdly worked together.
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: For years and years and years. That's a very different story,
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: I think.
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: Officially, it wasn't. I mean, I don't know. ask her
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: that i was just like how was it kind of
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: working with again i guess to go into our shout
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: out earlier jane wagner wrote this and what i thought
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: was interesting looking at her imdb this is pretty much
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: the only thing she ever did that wasn't related to
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: lily tomlin yeah Everything else she did after that.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And it kind of made her name. It was the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: first thing she did that got her attention.
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: And then, I guess, at that point, she met Lily. And, like,
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: ever since then, they've worked together. And she's been producer
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: and executive producer and writer and, like, involved and actually
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: directed one of her movies. Like, she's been so involved
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: in all these different parts of the entertainment industry. But
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: after that, they always tied to Lily.
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, she.
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: Was the friend back in the day of Lily Tomlin.
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: And they would ride to work. together and like yeah
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: i think even she's like we didn't say anything but
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: most people kind of knew you know and because it
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: was only like i think last year they got married
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: like so it was a the first time anything official
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: had been done other than that they've just been together
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: for years and years and years yeah i was reading.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: A people magazine article where people was sort of talking
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: about how lily tomlin had appeared in people over the
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: years and she was always cited as her best friend jane.
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: Wagner Well, yeah, I think they, at one point, were
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: describing it as her writing partner. It's always a good
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: professional way to work around it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It's like frog and toad are friends. You know there's
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: something more going on there.
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: Froggy went to Corton's while I was there.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: But I think anybody, if you hooked up professionally with
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Willie Tolman, you would just cling on for life.
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: I mean, if you have sense. Not that Jane's not
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: talented in her own right, but... Regardless, I mean, Lily's
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: pretty damn impressive.
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah, she's awesome.
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: She is pretty impressive.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I also like when he explained to the cat that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: this was the best radio station in New York.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: Like he needed to, like the cat didn't know right
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: off the bat. I was thinking that's like a magical
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: transistor radio that only plays awesome shit.
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: Was it awesome? It was so awesome. Because I felt
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: like it was really generic. And then as I listened
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: to it, I was like, it's probably really generic so
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: they don't have to pay anybody for the licensing. Because
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: these had a pretty minimal budget.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: My grandmother had a radio in her kitchen that only
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: played news that had no effect on anyone and Rocky Top.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: that was the one song that would come on.
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: Well i liked it because this is like and you
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: get a lot of that in like i guess starting
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: that far back and then definitely all through the 80s
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: you get this like stories about kids and they have
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: pretty much entire lives of their own like you see
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: him leave the house and then all this other stuff
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: goes on that his mom has no idea about like
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: he's he's running from other kids, and gonna, they're gonna
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: beat him up, or like, he's stealing stuff, or like,
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: he's hiding in an abandoned building that could possibly fall
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: on him at any moment, like, there's all these horrible
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: things from a parental point of view, they're like, oh
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: my god, this poor kid, but like, it's just a
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: day for him, like, it's just normal adventures, and I,
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: I like that, because I do like, you know, kids
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: kind of do, like, we always just sort of see
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: this family unit, and all you see, it's like sitcom mode,
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: all you see is what takes place in the living room,
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: but I like when everyone goes their separate ways. They really,
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: especially kids, have this own existence that nobody else really understands.
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but I felt like I had it. The mom
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: said a line that kind of defined for me the
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: entirety of her character.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: She said, it's.
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: Almost as if that boy's been getting worse since his
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: daddy died.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Or went away.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: Wonderful explanation.
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: He just skipped out.
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: And the keyword was, it's almost as if. Like, clearly
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: that's what's going on. But she's clearly not paying attention.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, good catch.
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: I don't even know that it wasn't paying attention. I think.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I.
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: Mean, she's paying attention enough to know, but she's just
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: not connecting the dots.
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: It was really uncomfortable. I think it's also a pretty
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: good portrait of that place and time and a single
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: parent trying to raise this rambunctious kid in the middle
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: of Harlem where she's also working probably how many hours
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: a week? She was gone most of the day, so
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: I'm just like... don't know like to me there's a
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: lot of that that's just like I don't know sometimes
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: you don't have time for that stuff in life you're
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: just like I'm trying to take care of my kid
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: but at the same time I gotta be at work
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: 60 hours this week so I'm trying to keep him
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: through the roof over his head I'm trying to pay
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: the grocery down the street so it's like I think
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: it was kind of an interesting little window into that
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: life too that you're also watching the single mother trying
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: to raise this kid and the kids you know probably
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: it was pretty easy when he was younger and he
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: wasn't running the streets but now he's He, again, has
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: a life of his own and has become this terror
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: in her eyes.
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: Well, but it's like she expects him to just be
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: totally unaffected by the sudden upheavals in his life and
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: just her complete disregard of that.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I think that, too. That's probably pretty accurate of the culture.
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: At the time. Well, again, how old do we think
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: he was?
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: Like 11, maybe?
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: 69.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: 69.
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, in the story. So, I mean, he
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: was basically raising himself. Like, you go down to the
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: bus station and pick up your grandma, and I'm just like,
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: they probably wouldn't let me off the street at that age,
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: you know, even a few years later. So, yeah. It's
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: funny how much each generation kind of gets more and
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: more protective of their kids. And, like, now we're to
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: the point of helicopter parents. So, it's like, it goes
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: too far the other way sometimes. But, I don't know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: it is that period in time, too, where you just
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: latchkey kids did whatever the hell they wanted, and, like,
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: nobody really thought about it, period.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's what people did. Kids just ran
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the streets and did stuff. And I guess there is,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you know, it's cool to go out and have adventures,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, no, I did the helicopter thing.
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: And yours actually turned out pretty.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I was cool with it, yeah. But, yeah, I'm not
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: parenting that. One of the things I enjoy about Mad
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Men so much is they remind you of that stuff
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you just forget. That it wasn't that long ago that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: stuff was so... My favorite scene ever in Mad Men
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: is when they go on a picnic. And at the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: end of the picnic, Don throws his beer can into
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the woods. And I remember that gesture. I saw that
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: all the time, just throwing the beer can. Then Betty
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: gets up and picks up their little... cloth for the
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: picnic shakes all the trash out on the ground and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: they get in the car.
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: And somewhere an indian whipped.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: It's just so true oh man yeah but uh uh
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: jt for me it still feels the same as when
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: i first saw it it it holds up i just
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: i really liked it then and i really like it
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: now well.
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: Of those like things that Again, until you see this, you,
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: I guess, knew that it existed, but you forget. The
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: fact that how many people in that building shared a bathroom,
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: I'm like, that's a nightmare. Sharing a bathroom with people
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: in your own family is one thing, but everybody on
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: that floor probably had to share that bathroom, and he
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: gets hassled by that cranky old lady down the hall.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, she was great.
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: That's too much to think about, especially for a little kid.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Or a little... sarcastic rant at him about his radio. Oh,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: we've all just been enjoying your.
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: Oh, and the other thing I really loved was, and
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: I had forgotten this, the thing about the batteries were
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: going to transistorize his brain.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: One day your brain's going to turn into a battery
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: or something. Every time she passed him, she gave him
• 39:13
  Speaker 11: one of those lines.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: I just like that that actress was apparently, she's like
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: the Harry Dean Stanton of black women. She was never... Young.
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: She was always an old lady. And always played that
• 39:25
  Speaker 11: sassy old black lady that had some sort of hassling
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: for whoever our main character was. there were a good
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: handful of those women that just kind of they turned
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: up on well i feel.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: Like 20 years before 227 i.
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: Feel like the mom was kind of that like she
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: played the most mom mom you're ever gonna get not
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: like his mom but her the grandma that's my mama
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: grandma she yeah i'm like she's that's my mama for
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: whatever you want to cast her in like she would
• 39:50
  Speaker 11: be that woman in probably every role like and she
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: was kind of amazing at it like i'm like i
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: want her to be my grandma yeah can i get
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: some wisdom before bed like that's i'll go pick her
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: up at the bus station i got i'll get a
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: car i'll ride her home she'll have to walk and
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: deal with Whatever the rude people on the street, she
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: was kind of going off there for a minute.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I wanted to hear the end of the story about
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the coffee. Because she's like, oh yeah, the coffee came out,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: but no cup. But I got my quarter back, and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, here's an idea.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: Use that to put more.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: You put the cup, put your quarter back in.
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: I just, come on.
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: Worst case scenario, you get two cups. Then you don't
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: burn your hand. Although I think technically.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: It was grape soda. So way to reinforce stereotypes, JT.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: Because you were trying to take away the racial stereotype.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe. Or it didn't even register to me.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't see racial stereotypes anymore.
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: Or I don't think I've ever seen one of those
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: that wasn't a coffee. Like, again, they'd all probably broken
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: by the time. Because I do remember the coffee ones
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: dropping down with the cup, but I really don't remember
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: a soda one. I think I've seen, like, them, again,
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: in movies and stuff. But in the real world, I
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: think the only one I've seen where it drops the
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: cup down were coffee ones.
• 41:10
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I guess based on my experience, that's what I'm thinking.
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: Fair enough.
• 41:14
  Speaker 11: And you might just want some coffee right now.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it all... The way that it's put together,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything to compare it to, but I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: remember at some point I read the opening couple of
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: paragraphs of Alice in Wonderland, and it was when my
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: kids were little, and so I saw a couple of versions,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: movie versions of Alice in Wonderland, and it just takes
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the movies forever to establish the things that are just
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: thrown out in the first paragraph. And it's just so effortless,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you aren't even aware there's any exposition. But then you
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: see a movie treatment trying to get it all in,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and it's just so ponderous and lumbering. There's a real
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: talent for editing things so that they just happen naturally,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and they lead you into the story without you going, yeah,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: what's the deal? Oh, I guess they're going to answer that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: I mean, that is a skill to be able to
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: take that and not only make it make sense on screen,
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: but make it make sense in a succinct manner that
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: you're not like making one of the three hour movies
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: that you're like, well, why is this so damn long?
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: Which I do remember thinking that at the end, I
• 42:33
  Speaker 11: was like, it feels like we got a lot of
• 42:36
  Speaker 11: this slice of life for like under an hour. Like it,
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: it seems like there's a whole lot of stuff going
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: on in his life. And then all the time we
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: spend with the cat and like, Somehow it packs it
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: all into this pretty short amount of time for, I
• 42:49
  Speaker 11: don't know, it feels like it's more than a complete
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: picture than you would get even out of some movies
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: that sort of piece together these bad relationships.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I guess that's what I was trying to say about it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: It does a lot really fast.
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: Would you like to have a midnight snack with me?
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: I made some boiled custard.
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: I know how bad you're hurting, honey.
• 43:15
  Speaker 16: That cat? He was something real special to you.
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: I know.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: You. You're something special, too.
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: You are.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Why did it have to happen?
• 43:30
  Speaker 13: Why?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 43:31
  Speaker 16: Oh, child, I wish I could give you the answer.
• 43:35
  Speaker 16: But I don't know. Seemed like life got a whole
• 43:40
  Speaker 16: lot more questions than answers to it. You start out
• 43:43
  Speaker 16: young asking questions. You end up old asking questions. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 16: the puzzlement is, they're mostly the same questions. There's just
• 43:54
  Speaker 16: a very few years in between where you think you
• 43:58
  Speaker 16: got the answers to match up with the questions.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Why did it have to happen? Why?
• 44:07
  Speaker 16: Death is a mean way to have to learn about life.
• 44:11
  Speaker 16: But that's the way of it sometimes. That's just the
• 44:15
  Speaker 16: way of it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Sure made me love that cat.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was. It was a great cat, too. That
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: cat should have been like the Harry Dean statue of
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: cats in movies.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Maybe it was that we didn't recognize the cat because
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: it was so effective.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: In its other roles. He disappears into the role. He
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: also played the other cat, the kitten.
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: He is that good.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: You didn't even.
• 44:40
  Speaker 11: Recognize him. Again, because maybe it was just a time
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: period and they were grab whatever cat but it seems
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: like now it would be super cute the whole way
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: through and i'm like he looks rough when he first
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: gets there i was like damn he does look like
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: a cat living in an abandoned building like he looked
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: like he needed somebody to love and i was like
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: damn it jt stepped up.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: They knew he was going to die. I just assumed
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: the whole time that they were going to knock down
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: the building. Like, that was one of the buildings that
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: they were going to take down, and they were taking
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: down the building over the cat. And then we'd just see, like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: a cat.
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: Tail coming out of a rubble. When they set up
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: the windows thing, yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, God, no.
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: I thought at least he was going to be in
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: there with the cat and was going to be trying
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: to save the cat while the building was getting demolished.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: See, while the teacher was taking so long, and he
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: was like, I got to go, I got to go.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, no, they're tearing that building down
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: right now. But no, it was worse.
• 45:26
  Speaker 12: Oh, that would have been so much better, though. Just story-wise.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: I gave it too much credit. I gave Fred too
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: much credit.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: It didn't even occur to me.
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: No, no, this, I mean, this movie is awesome. If
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: for no other reason than we get to see a
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: cat with an eye patch. Yeah, that was a good moment.
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: That may be the funniest thing I've ever seen.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: And you could tell that the actor cat didn't want
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: the eye patch either.
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: Like, there was clearly going to be more with.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: The eye patch, and then there was some continuity stuff
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: there with it, too, because it was like that cat
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: was having none of it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: Any animal that you're going to do that to is
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: going to immediately be like, get the hell off me,
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: and just start trying to, yeah, so. That was kind
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: of my favorite. You see him over there. And I
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: kind of was.
• 46:06
  Speaker 12: I'm like, what?
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: It's much like Grandma. I'm like, what is he doing
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: over there? Like, little did I know. Cat eye patch.
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: That's pretty hilarious. But yeah, like, again, it all seems
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: very real. Like, it seems like something a kid would do. Like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: I'm sure I would have done that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: The only time I thought he was reaching a little
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: bit was, like, when he was doing his doctor patter.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It was like, really?
• 46:27
  Speaker 16: Really?
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I just went over your charts this morning.
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: I thought it started. It maybe went on a little long,
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: but I thought the beginning was pretty funny. I was like,
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: kids say some crazy stuff sometimes.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: But then you had to have it for later when
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: he's like longingly looking at the stethoscope. Oh, God, it
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: killed me.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really affecting.
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: It is.
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: Suck me in.
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: I didn't feel anything.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: But you're dead inside.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: I literally, like, I was so excited. I got my laptop, like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: this morning. I woke up, and I was like, I'll
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: watch this in bed. Yay, JT! And I was, like,
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: not even just, like, you know, sometimes I get teary
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: at movies, but, like, I was uncontrollably weeping. And, like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: it started with the cat dying, but then it just, like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: crescendoed with, like, him being so affected by it. Like,
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: seeing his sad little face, it destroyed me.
• 47:22
  Speaker 12: I've had a weird alteration in the way I experience
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: movies emotionally. Like, anything involving... small children getting hurt I
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: just used to be able to not like stand even
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: even the scene in the butterfly effect where the baby
• 47:33
  Speaker 12: gets blown up by it's a stupid scene but it
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: kind of pissed me off um and.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: Then you had a kid and now you're like what up.
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: No I don't know like I saw think of these kids.
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: I saw the homesman earlier this week the Tommy Lee Jones.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Movie oh no spoilers for this because I'm really excited.
• 47:46
  Speaker 12: About seeing this movie this isn't a spoiler and don't
• 47:47
  Speaker 12: be excited oh I've.
• 47:50
  Speaker 11: Heard mixed things spoiler for your expectations.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I guess like ha ha ha well that was a
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: spoiler ha ha ha don't be excited this isn't a
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: spoiler don't be excited.
• 48:03
  Speaker 12: Like a baby gets thrown into an outhouse and that's not.
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: A spoiler that's just kind of gross.
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: And I was like that was really poorly shot meanwhile
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: the theory of everything made me.
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: Tear up in weird ways and i.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: Was totally unaffected by that movie totally unaffected you're both
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: dead inside i don't know i thought it was i
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: thought it was interesting it was a good performance but
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: i just didn't i didn't feel anything so.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: We're having a contest of who's dead who's deader should
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: i recuse myself i mean we.
• 48:37
  Speaker 11: All assume you win but we're trying to find the
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: next level down I feel like so much of this
• 48:46
  Speaker 11: still felt pretty real, though. Him building the extra special house.
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: I'm like, I think I did that kind of stuff, actually.
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: I'm just stacking crap up and calling it something. That's
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: what kids do.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: If I go through a neighborhood to this day, I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: still look at it in terms of opportunities for play.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: And just houses and yards, they had this magic fascination
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: for me. But at the same time, like I have
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the adult side of my brain that knows that nothing
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: really very interesting is happening there. And the two things,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, they just, they all perpetually make me
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: want to take a photograph of everything. Just because it's like, well, look,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you can see how, no, I don't know.
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: Probably not. If you had time, you would stop and
• 49:35
  Speaker 11: play everywhere.
• 49:36
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: No wonder you don't want to work. You're missing play opportunities.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I know. I've got things to do.
• 49:44
  Speaker 11: I've got clubhouses to build, damn it. I don't have
• 49:47
  Speaker 11: time for this job.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Go work. Like, I don't have stuff to do. I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, man. It's ridiculous. You go to work and
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: there's a manager and he's like, can you pick that up?
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Can you pick it up? Can you
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: manage to pick it up?
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: I'm going to go build a clubhouse. You pick that up.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I heard some comedian do that somewhere or something. You
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: get a job, they want you to show up all
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the time. I was like, yeah, I know.
• 50:13
  Speaker 11: What's that about? So, of the other things that are
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: lost to the ages, just go into a store and
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: get in credit. Yeah. Just put it on my account.
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: I'm just like, yeah, that's not going to happen now.
• 50:28
  Speaker 11: You can go in debt with a credit card real easy,
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: but they don't just trust you to come back next
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: week or two months later and pay your bill. Like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 11: that's a lost era right there.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I got me some red curtains on credit. I don't
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: know if you remember that. It's the line from Monster's Ball.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: To me, that's the signature line of the entire movie.
• 50:56
  Speaker 11: On that note, we haven't really addressed the shop owner,
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: which ends up being a pretty key character in all this.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess looking back on it, before I watched
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: it again, I felt like It's going to seem kind
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: of clumsy, kind of like, you know, it's a little PC.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: But PC didn't exist back then. People didn't even know
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: what that was. They didn't have a PC on their desk,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and they didn't have the term PC. It was back,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you know, around the time when All in the Family
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: was on TV, and I guess Norman Lear was doing, like,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: social issues thing on stuff on television. But, yeah, I mean,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: he was definitely, I was a little worried for his
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: business plan at points, you know. So was his wife. Yeah,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you would be. Ugh, women.
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: Always trying to put a scarf on you.
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: Putting scarves on you and shit. What's that about? That
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: was the most, like, what line? I was like, really? Like,
• 52:02
  Speaker 11: we've just come to a, like, oh, look at this
• 52:05
  Speaker 11: wonderful old man. Wait, what was that? Is that a
• 52:08
  Speaker 11: random sexist remark you just made? But he's an old guy.
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: I guess you can pull that stuff off when you're
• 52:12
  Speaker 11: an old guy. Just like, that's a weird moment to
• 52:16
  Speaker 11: throw that in. It's like you could almost even pull
• 52:19
  Speaker 11: it off back at the shop in the middle when
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: we didn't really care about him that much. And he
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: was sort of a stereotype anyway. But like, yeah, by
• 52:26
  Speaker 11: the end I was just like, but we just liked
• 52:27
  Speaker 11: you now. That was an odd moment.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it has the little echo when she put, Oh, wait,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: before you go. And puts the scarf around his neck.
• 52:37
  Speaker 11: Women always put scarves.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Or the George Carlin joke was, if you fall asleep
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: on a couch in a house, and there's a woman
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: in that house, when you wake up, there will be
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: a cover on you.
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: Well, the mom proved that. I mean, she comes over
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: and covers up the.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 11: Which, at one point, is it just me, or did
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: Grandma refer to herself as the aunt? i don't know
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: i swear i thought at one point when she's in
• 53:07
  Speaker 11: there talking to jt after he's upset she's like listen
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: to your aunt or something like that and i was
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: like but.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: She really didn't look that much.
• 53:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah but like they always like even in all the
• 53:18
  Speaker 11: stuff i've read like they always say her mother like
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: it's always referred to as his grandmother but i was
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: like i'm pretty sure that line's in and then i
• 53:26
  Speaker 11: was just like well actually i know of quite a
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: few people especially of that era where like the mom
• 53:32
  Speaker 11: dies and the oldest kid steps up and becomes the
• 53:37
  Speaker 11: new parent because dad works 65 hours a week back then.
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: And like, so yeah, it's, I know one in my
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: family that did that. And I know another one that like,
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: she refers to somebody as mom and another somebody as
• 53:51
  Speaker 11: mom and neither are birth mother. And like, it, it
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: gets kind of confusing and weird.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I know a few people.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I think Jack Nicholson's, uh, mother, told him all his
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: childhood that she was his sister. And he didn't find
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: out until he.
• 54:08
  Speaker 9: Was, like, in his 20s or something.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: Didn't she raise him as a girl, too?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: I might have just made that up.
• 54:14
  Speaker 11: I think you're thinking of a couple of horror movies.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: Or Ernest Hemingway. It happens. Forgive it.
• 54:22
  Speaker 11: I'm thinking of a couple right now.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: We were raising the puppy as a girl for a
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: few weeks.
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: I know. I noticed that. Yeah, it was a weird thing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 11: No wonder he wears that sweater.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:35
  Speaker 11: He's having issues, right?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: It is funny. I thought that was interesting, what affects
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you in movies and concern about kids. Because I remember
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: talking to somebody when I was watching The Sopranos. He said, oh,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I think this episode last night, he was taping it
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: for me because I didn't get HBO.
• 54:54
  Speaker 16: No.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: He said, I don't know. And he gives me the tape.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: He says, be careful. I think they maybe went too
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: far in this one. I don't know. See what you think.
• 55:04
  Speaker 11: It comes with a warning.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: And so the opening shot is, what's his name's kid? Ralphie.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Ralphie's kids are in the backyard playing Lord of the Rings.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: And one of them has a bow, an actual bow
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and arrow. And the other one has a cardboard box
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: he's running around with with a Target painted on it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, God, no. No, don't do this. And
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Ralphie's in the fucking bathtub. And I'm like, get out
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: of there. Stop this. And sure enough, the kid gets
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: shot in the neck. And he's in the hospital. And
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: then I think later in the episode, Tony kills Ralphie
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: and cuts him up in a bathtub. But I didn't
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: care about that. It was like, it's already over.
• 55:49
  Speaker 11: But the impressive part was when he was in the hospital,
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: JT went to visit him, and he snuck in.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Snuck in. The perfect crime. Hold him in the hand.
• 55:58
  Speaker 11: And we've just answered your own question.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he watched that, and he gave me that,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: but then he told me he was watching Mayberry, and
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Opie got a job working at the store, and Andy
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: was all proud of him, and he thought he'd stop
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: by and see him at the store. And so he
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: stops in and he says, so how much is that
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: cologne up there on that shelf? And Opie gets on
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: a ladder and gets it down and says, it's $ 70.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: And he says, I think I'll just wait on that.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: And he leaves and Opie goes to put it back
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: up and he drops it and it smashes on the
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: floor and there's like cologne everywhere. And I said, so
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: what happened?
• 56:40
  Speaker 11: And he said, I don't know.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I couldn't watch it anymore after that. It's just too
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: much for me. I knew it would be okay and
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: they'd work it out, but I just couldn't sit through it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: Couldn't wait the 12 minutes for the resolution.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm like, well, it was probably mislabeled. It
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: couldn't have been $ 70. So he'll worry about it a lot.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: It'll turn out it's okay. And it was $ 7. He'll
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: do the right thing. Yeah. Yeah, but now we'll never know.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: We'll never know what happened to Opie. But that was
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the thing he couldn't watch. We both got through the
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: bow and arrow and like the Ralphie scene. I remember
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: like the raid. He sprayed Tony's face with rain. That
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: was so funny. But yeah, you got to draw the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: line somewhere, I guess.
• 57:27
  Speaker 12: I actually had to turn off the movie the other
• 57:29
  Speaker 12: night because I'd been wanting for a while to watch
• 57:31
  Speaker 12: Definitely Maybe because it's about kind of a divorced father
• 57:35
  Speaker 12: with his daughter kind of thing.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: So I thought this will be cathartic.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: In a way.
• 57:38
  Speaker 12: And I got through the title sequence, which was very
• 57:42
  Speaker 12: romantic comedy-ish. And then the very first scene after that
• 57:45
  Speaker 12: was he went to school and there's just utter chaos
• 57:48
  Speaker 12: because they're teaching the kids sex ed. And the kids
• 57:52
  Speaker 12: are just going crazy and the parents are going crazy.
• 57:54
  Speaker 12: And he's like, aren't they a little old for this?
• 57:56
  Speaker 12: And then they leave. And I had to turn it
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: off because I decided I just really wasn't going to
• 58:01
  Speaker 12: agree with the filmmaker's views on the world.
• 58:03
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: Sometimes that's the case.
• 58:08
  Speaker 12: I took my four-year-old to the science center and pointed
• 58:10
  Speaker 12: out the reproductive stuff because my sister is pregnant. So
• 58:14
  Speaker 12: now she knows where a baby grows and how it
• 58:15
  Speaker 12: comes out and everything.
• 58:16
  Speaker 11: She's only four and.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: She's cool with that.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: That's the way I was with my kids. It's like
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: anything they want to know, I'm not like the guardian
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: of information.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Alan, will you explain it to me later? Okay.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Y'all need to go take a field trip to the
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: science museum.
• 58:35
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 9: I do want some visual aids.
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: That's all I got to say. Oh, Christmas.
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: You can't get aids that way.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 58:46
  Speaker 12: It brings to mind that I watched The Meaning of
• 58:48
  Speaker 12: Life this year for the first time ever in the
• 58:50
  Speaker 12: scene where John Cleese is instructing his class on intercourse.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 58:56
  Speaker 12: And just brings his wife in and denunciates and he
• 58:57
  Speaker 12: keeps having to yell.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: At them because they're like, look out.
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: Now this is for you in the back.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Pay attention. That was in The Meaning of Life?
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:06
  Speaker 12: No wait yes yes.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Okay some of them that like the scenes like that
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: get mixed up in the different python movies for me
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: as they got more segmented was that the one that
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: had like uh every sperm is sacred song.
• 59:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah the universe song and oh.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: The universe song is a great song I've always meant
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to learn that song, but I can't remember the lyrics.
• 59:30
  Speaker 12: It's on YouTube, just the song itself.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I just love the whole visual of the thing. Everything
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: about that scene is... Yeah.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always wanted to learn, too, like the Grinch lyrics,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the Grinch song. But I can never remember them all.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: They're pretty awesome.
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: Sung by Thoreau Ravenscroft.
• 59:49
  Speaker 11: That's an extra tie-in there.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: Uh-huh.
• 59:53
  Speaker 11: Did you just piece that together?
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: He's everywhere.
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: He's in everything. That's awesome.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Now you'll never forget his name either.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Thoreau Ravencroft?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 12: No, that's a.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Is it Ravencroft or Ravenscroft?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. Actually, now that I'm saying it.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Is it Keith Richard or Keith Richards?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 11: You told me he changed it.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: He did. Early on, they thought it was cooler if
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: it was Richard, and then he changed it.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure it's Ravenscroft, but I could be wrong.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 11: Ravenscroft.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: That's better.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: That sounds like that would be like an alternate school
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: at Hogwarts. You might get sorted into Ravenscroft.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 11: Every kid just has a really deep voice. I don't
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 11: know how you ended up in this one.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Me either.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: That's pretty funny.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 11: Ravens with an S, Croft. For those of you playing
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 11: the home game. Ravenscroft.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Croft is just like.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 9: As in Laura Croft.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Well, no, actually, the funniest thing in my hometown, and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I like visit it every time I'm in my hometown,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: is along Scottsville Road, there's these little apartments called Scottscroft
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Manor Apartments. And it just cracks me up because I know.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 11: That's not a real word.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, real estate person was just like, well, what are
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: we going to call it? We want it to sound classy.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: It's like Scottsville Road apartment sounds like what it is,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: like dumpy little apartments. I know. Scottscroft. I can't keep
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: a straight face every time I see it. It's just
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: such blatant bullshittery.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 12: Is there not a meaning for the suffix croft?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Is there? I don't know.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 12: I'm going to let you know in a second.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 11: The family of Laura.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: That's what it says.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: If there is, I think then you could add a
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: croft onto croft to class it up.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Croft, croft? Yes.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: That's a weird tangent.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 12: Well, okay, croft is, as one definition, is an area
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 12: of land with a crofter's dwelling used for crofting, which
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 12: is small.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 11: How many times can we work croft into this sentence?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 12: Which is small-scale food production.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 11: Croft, croft, croft, croft, croft. That sounds like English people crafting,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 11: doesn't it? Oh, I do some crofting.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 12: You've also got Crofton Town, which is a place.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: A made-up place.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 12: Yeah, ton means town, so that's... So, as far as land, yeah,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 12: it's an area of land where a small-scale food producer lives.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 11: Just throwing off our whole plan of them being full
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 11: of shit. So, Scott's Croft.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's still full of shit.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: It's still them reaching for more class than they actually have.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Unless there's a small-scale food producer living in those apartments.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: There might be. There could be.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 12: But it would only be, I think, the land that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 12: he owns or she owns.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: And they're not landowners. They're land renters.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 12: So it's not.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: Well, sucks to be them.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: And that reminds me. This, JT, and one other movie
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: kind of have this connection in my mind, although they
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: have no real connection. They may. They may have a
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: connection that I don't know about. But the movie Tomorrow,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: you've probably heard me talk about. Which one? It's early
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Robert Duvall. It's based on a Faulkner story.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 11: I do kind of remember you, yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: And he plays this guy who is a sharecropper and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: he lives on this little patch of land and works
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the land for somebody. And they tell him, oh, we
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: can build you a house here if you're going to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: stay here and work. But for now, there's this barn
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: he's staying in, and he doesn't care. But this pregnant
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: woman shows up, whose family has abandoned her, and she's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: not doing well, and he takes care of her. You know,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: he gets involved in taking care of her.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 11: Does he keep her in an oven?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he keeps her in an oven with a plastic
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: umbrella on.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 11: All right, well, then he is taken care of.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: And he's so good in that role. It's like if
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: you've ever run into, like.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Actual mountain guys who are kind of like really shy
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: and they have like this, this, this kind of stilted
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: way of talking. Like they're a little shy and they're
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: a lot like the guys in, uh, Tucker and Dale.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: You know, they're like, they're kind of shy. They're not
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: really outgoing. And he has this awkward way of talking
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that sounds almost a little speech impediment. But, uh, he
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: says things like, I'm going to save you. Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 11: Seems like it would work really well with Robert Duvall.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, and then this guy comes by to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: see him and he's like, and he gets like standoffish
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: cause he's got that woman there and he's, and the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: guy's like, I didn't come by to spy on you.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I came by to see if you want to go fishing.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: And then he's like, then he wants the house now.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: So he marches off the, where he wants the house built.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: And it's just, it's, It's a great little movie with
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same kinds of themes. And it's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: one that not many people have seen, but I keep
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: trying to... I think it got an Oscar one year.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: It was a while back.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 11: At any point, does some random hoodlum come pick up
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 11: the pregnant woman and throw her into traffic?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 11: The really disturbing thing is, on the way over here,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 11: there's a black cat sitting at the edge of the road,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 11: like past the parked cars. It's only kind of a
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: lane and a half-ish to work with anyway, and he's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: sitting right at the edge there. And I'm like, damn it,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: if you run out in front of me, I'm like,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 11: if this all comes true just for the sake of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 11: this crazy movie, I do not want any of this.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 11: I'm like, I'm going to slow down.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this street up here is like a street of cats.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: You really have to watch it.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: Good to know.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: There's like a, a guy there who sort of takes
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: care of a lot of the stray cats, and so
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: they know that and they congregate there.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: Speaking of things that are completely different based on era
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: and the reason why you can never remake this film
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: now is that nobody would actually stop their car and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: nobody would actually gather or care.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there wouldn't be a whole bunch of people around going,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 11: what happened? They'd barely do that if a person got hit,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 11: let alone a cat. So, yeah.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Again, I mean, there are.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 11: Moments that are very, like, it does seem like a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 11: TV special. Like, even the way, like, it's structured, but
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 11: I kind of don't care because I kind of like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 11: the way it wraps up so well. Like, is it very, like,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 11: does it feel very written by Jane Wagner that not
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 11: only does he return the radio that he steals at
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 11: the beginning of the movie, but he then immediately decides
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 11: to get his act together and go get a job
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 11: at 11 years old. He like, he so turns his
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 11: entire life around in the span of this one scene.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 11: And I'm like, I kind of don't care because I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 11: want good things for this kid. So it's like, I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 11: don't care how cliche or made for TV wrap up
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 11: it is because it's what I wanted to see happen
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 11: outside of that middle part with the cat. But even
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 11: then we kind of like, well, there's a replacement cat.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 11: Sorry about that part. But everything sort of wraps up
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 11: in the most TV way, but I kind of don't care.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 12: Well, you say he's turning his life around. He was
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 12: never really as bad a kid as they all thought
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 12: he was. So I don't think he turned his life around.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 12: Now that everybody kind of saw that he can, in fact,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 12: be responsible, he felt more comfortable being a word about.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: That, I guess.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true. I think you sort of
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: follow the way people see you a little bit.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 11: Well, I think he did, but it was that this
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 11: is what we could show on TV in 1969. So
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 11: I think it's also like a 69, for all practical purposes,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 11: a slightly simpler time. The evils and horrible things going
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 11: on are equally as rampant, but I feel like we
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: can't show him doing crack yet. We can't show, like,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: the prostitutes on the corner. That was probably all going
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: on right then, too. It wasn't crack yet. But still, like,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: I'm sure all these horrible things were there, but they're
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: not going to show. I mean, it actually was made
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 11: for Saturday morning programming.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 11: And it got such good reviews, they re-ran it the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 11: next week in primetime.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's amazing.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah. I mean, again, that probably wouldn't happen now either.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 11: Networks would be like, tough luck, here's your spot. But
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 11: in one week, it got such good praise that they
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 11: felt like they need to share it with grown-ups too,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 11: which I think is pretty impressive.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: I do think it transcends those sort of clunky moments
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: that you expect as a happy ending because... I mean,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: if you just compare it to other things that have
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: those same moments, it's just... It seems like it earns them,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 11: I think because he's such a real kid, too. He
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 11: does not feel like a Hollywood kid.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not like that perpetual cute black kid that
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: you had to have on TV.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 11: And I looked him up now, and thank God he
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 11: grew into those teeth. He just had the most messed
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 11: up kid teeth And I'm just like that's just because
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 11: he's a kid He had kind of a Jerry Seinfeld
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah I was like I'm assuming So later he became
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 11: a very handsome man He.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: Still has that same goofy smile He grew into.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 11: Him or he got caps I don't know which Either
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 11: way good for you man he grew into it But
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 11: yeah I think so much of that is like He's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 11: just a really genuine kid This was his first acting
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 11: job So he probably wasn't acting Very much Can you imagine.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Putting that on your resume when you were a kid?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: Remember that movie?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 16: I don't know.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 12: Maybe in some ways it's easier for me. I really
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 12: love Kevengene Wallace in Beasts of the Southern Wild, and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 12: it felt like you just put a six-year-old in there
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 12: and just kind of let her run around with fireworks,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: and she's going to get an Oscar nomination. And now
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 12: she's acting for Annie, and I haven't seen it yet,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 12: of course, but you watch the trailer, it just kind
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 12: of looks.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 11: It looks pretty good. Standard, yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's something about that. If you can
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: get people to be natural on camera and have the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: material that makes you care about what they're doing, that's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: probably true.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 11: It's hard to do, but I think it's easier with
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 11: kids because kids don't have that barrier yet. They don't
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 11: know that they shouldn't be doing that, so I think
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 11: it works better if you kind of get those most
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 11: honest performances out of the kids, their first performance.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: It's really hard with inarticulate mountain men. Unless they're Robert Duvall.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Unless they're like... production of All the King's Men.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 11: Odd thing was, before that movie, Robert Duvall actually was
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 11: an inarticulate mountain man. And after that, he found his
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 11: calling and turned his life around, too.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Well, he said... And this ties back into the show,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: and Angel wanted me to make this point. She brings
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: this up a lot. Duvall doesn't like to watch other actors.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: He likes watching old newsreel stuff and just seeing... like
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: documentary stuff, because he thinks you see more real stuff
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: in that.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 11: He seems like an odd character, but he makes it work.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 11: He's so good on screen that whenever weird stuff he
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 11: wants to do off screen, more power to you, buddy.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I always get annoyed at him because of his politics.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know why he can't just be a liberal
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: douchebag like every other actor. Wasn't that... I don't know.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I thought there was a rule about that.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 11: I try not to pay attention to any of their politics.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 11: Or regular people's bodies.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: It does seem weird that, like, you would look to
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: somebody who, you know, has an artistic ability for, like,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: guidance on other stuff. I mean, how does that make sense?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: You're really good at pretending to be other people.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 11: Perhaps you could.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: Tell me about how to govern countries.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 11: Could one of your fake personalities tell me what I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 11: should think in the real world?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but, I mean, I guess they do that with
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: everybody because, like, Jesus could walk on water and then
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: they ask him about religion. I'd be asking him about physics.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 11: I'd be asking him to promote my new Diet Coke.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 11: You know he'd be getting sponsorships now, so it was
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 11: obviously another era there, too.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: Jesus, for Diet Coke.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 11: You know, when I've walked across the lake, it's a
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 11: hot day. Kick back with a Diet Coke.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: You're really good at making up commercials off the top
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: of your head. That Tom Waits commercial.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 11: I wonder how many have seeped in over the years
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 11: is the problem.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that Tom Waits Pringles commercial, that was just.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that one, I probably couldn't have come up with
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: it if I thought too much. It just happened. That
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 11: was last year's holiday extravaganza.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Well, have we done JT? Is there more to the story?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 11: I think that was most of it. I mean, I
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 11: don't know. Do you take anything from it other than
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 11: what it presents on the screen? Because, I mean, it
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 11: throws out a lot of big questions, like mostly Grandma.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 11: I mean, Grandma has all the big lines of... I mean,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 11: the one I actually kind of liked is You know,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 11: they're going through The Cats Have Nine Lives, and she's like,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 11: you've only got one life to live. What are you
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 11: going to do with it? And I'm like, that's a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 11: pretty damn good question, actually. It's like, TV movie of
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 11: the week or not, that's a pretty damn good question.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 11: Especially for a little kid at that point.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I liked the thing when he got a job. I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: think I was about the age when I got a job,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm a big supporter of child labor.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 9: Child labor.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 11: That's what happened.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: I really am. Just because people do it. Wrong and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: ruin it doesn't mean that it's not a good thing.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 11: That coal's not going to mine itself, damn it.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: Little hands are so effective.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 11: Who needs canaries when you got little kids?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 12: Anyway.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: I did feel like he was wasting himself in retail, though.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: I felt like veterinary medicine was clearly where he was headed.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 11: Well, he's working his way up.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: You did get the feeling that he, like, was projecting, like,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: being a doctor or taking care of animals in some way.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it seemed like it just really hit the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: spot for him.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: Can we talk about what a terrible teacher she was?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: There is nothing about that scene that would not suggest
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: that he can't read or write. Like, nothing about that scene.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 11: Except he could. Like, later we saw that he could.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 11: But I'm like, he must have... Well, I mean, he
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 11: wrote Welcome. I assume she knew his work.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: Well, for her, he just drew a cat, which to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: me would suggest this child.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: He really likes cats oh i love the scene in
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the bathroom with the kid who could draw could you
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: draw that i.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 11: Thought that was i thought that was going somewhere actually
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 11: because i like that kid and i was like i
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 11: hope we get more with this kid because he's kind
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 11: of weird but i'm totally sold on him yeah.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: And that scene went nowhere i was actually wondering if
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: that kid had like won a contest like if it
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: was like a saturday morning like you could be on
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: a saturday Because it didn't go anywhere.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: It really didn't go anywhere, but it was really memorable
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: and vivid, and it just seemed like that.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: No, and he rocked those glasses.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he made glasses cool.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that had nothing to do with anything.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: Oh, maybe there was like an optical sponsor or something.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, looks like you need glasses. That kid's obviously going
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 11: to be an optometrist. This art thing is a waste
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 11: of time.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: And they're going to be like buddies for the rest
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: of their life. There's going to be an optometrist shop,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: a veterinary shop next door. They'll go have lunch together
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: and play chess.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 11: Well, that kid will doodle on the napkin. It'll be
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 11: really good, but he's not going to do anything with that.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 11: He's got glasses to paint.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: Go to dance parties. The clothes. I want to talk
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: about the clothes mostly. Maybe exclusively.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 11: All right. You were shopping is what you're saying? throughout
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 11: if you don't know lucy likes her some vintage clothes.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah i was thinking of etsy keywords to type in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: following the film.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 11: Just putting jt and everything cast of jt where are
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 11: they now can i have your wardrobe i did.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: Notice which i really loved and i thought was a
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: fun detail and i assume it was purposeful because how
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: could it not be like how friggin swank the mom
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: was i mean she was dressed to the nines constantly
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: like not just dressed but like you know, had like
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: accessories and things that a person on a budget would
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: not have. So you can only assume that she owned
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: those things in her previous life and she was still
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: trying to sort of project this image of this working person.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: And I just felt like there was the whole subplot
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: there that was just based on that one cue.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 11: Again, there was a lot, I felt like, in between
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 11: the lines with the mom situation and how much had
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 11: happened and ever since your dad left and I got
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 11: to work all day. And like, and it's just these
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 11: few lines here and there. And like, How guilty she
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 11: feels towards the end when she's just like, I should
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 11: have been paying attention. I should have been, you know,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 11: nurturing him more. I should have noticed he was the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 11: sweetest kid ever. Yeah, I was just like, I should
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 11: have realized I was not paying attention to the details.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 11: And again, I was like, that's just kind of parenting
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 11: when you got way too much stuff to do. But
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 11: I do feel like there was, what little time we
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 11: spend with her, I think she does such a good
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 11: performance with it.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 12: I sure don't feel like doing no Christmas decorating this year.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 14: JT won't even know the difference.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Ain't no Christmas.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 16: Tree gonna jolt him out of his misery.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Been unfair to him, Mama.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 16: Put all my frustrations on that boy.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: I lost how to reach him.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 11: And I had to look up that actor because she was.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 11: Ridiculously pretty. I was just like, what else was she on?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 11: On Good Times? All right, I need to go watch
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 11: some Good Times.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Was she on Good Times?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 11: She was not. I think she was the friend. Because
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 11: the mom had that friend that turned up, but I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 11: think only for a while.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: On those shows back then, there was always a hot friend.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 11: There was always a hot friend that wandered in from
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 11: across the hall.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I would have thought I was watching that.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: Cue sounds of panting.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 11: I was going to let the dog party finish and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 11: then we'll continue on.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: Hot lady and then there's a panting sound effect.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 11: That's no sound effect.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just keep that clip. And we'll have that every
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: time a hot lady is mentioned.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 11: Lucy likes her some hot dudes.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: I was just panting over the clothes.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 11: So which were your favorites? Were there specific terms that
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 11: you were going to type in?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: I really dug his corduroy jacket with the little faux
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: fur collar. I liked that one a lot. I liked
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: really everything she wore. I liked the jackets most of all. Oh,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: at the very beginning, there's like a little girl skipping rope,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: and she's wearing a dynamite jacket. All the extras were
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: very well-attached. Like Jimmy J.J.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 11: Walker dynamite?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you apply like vintage terms to vintage clothes?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 11: That jacket is dynamite at some point you're like what
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 11: are you talking about jt you gotta work in all
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 11: your 70s and 80s catchphrases some.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Kid uh was auditioning for an indie movie uh Kid
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: from here in town. I think it was John Chorey's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: son by one of his ex-wives. It was. And he
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: was supposed to play a 70s pothead, and he was
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: grilling me about the slang. He was saying, did they.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 11: What is he saying about you?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: He said, did people say things were cool back then?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's been around for a while. There
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: were some others, too. And I was like, yeah. But then...
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I do remember vividly, like, groups of potheads, maybe it
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: was just us, would spawn their own language.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 11: I think most friends, if they have any sense about them,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 11: which potheads probably is arguable, but, you know, I mean,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 11: some of the horrible things that we've spun off just
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 11: in our little group on this show that now we
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 11: will reference as a term that, like, only we get.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 11: I would think most groups of friends.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if you ever got that part. Oh, yeah. Burlesque.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 11: Burlesque.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: Still my favorite.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 11: Old school fans have to remember that. If not, you'll
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 11: have to delve through the archives. So, I guess to
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 11: wrap up, what does Christmas mean to you? In bad
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 11: teacher form.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: What does Christmas.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I was like, she's... Well, she said or more.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: She's the.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: It just had to be at least.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 11: But still, 25 words. He's not like a four-year-old. Like,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 11: why 25 words? Like, they're old enough to write a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 11: real theme. Even Ralphie wrote more than that.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Is she gonna post to the... On Twitter?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 13: Really?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: What are they?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 11: Keep it under 140 characters, kids.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Tweet what Christmas means to you.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 11: Tweet me your assignment this week. That's about how bad
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 11: she was, actually. Like, the fact that he would just
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 11: come and go from school, which, again, probably could happen
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 11: very easily back then, but still, like, he would just
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 11: leave and disappear and she wouldn't see him all day.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 11: The fact that he never really seemed to be doing
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 11: work in school... Or at home.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: And then he gave no indication that he could read
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: or write.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and then he wrote welcome, damn it.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: But she didn't know that.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 11: Well, I'm saying he could. She just didn't know that
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 11: because she's a terrible person. But yeah, the fact that
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 11: she like also like, how long did that go on? Like,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 11: are you not teaching them anything else the whole rest
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 11: of the week? Like, how long was this period she
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 11: gave them to do 25 words and like, She's still
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 11: checking back days and days later. I'm like, are you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 11: not doing anything else in the classroom between then? What
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 11: is this teaching going on? Because it's a sorry excuse
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 11: for her.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the thing about the whole movie that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I really love is that it's so efficient when it's
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: going somewhere that it has time. to have this other
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't go anywhere. And that stuff is really
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: great because I remember, like in most plays, if you
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: mention someone's coming to visit and they're coming on the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: next train, they always walk in right then because they
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: took an earlier train. You announce it, it happens. It's
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: like a clockwork and it's predictable and it's depressing. And
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: it's just lovely. To have something that, like, there's no
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: reason for that. But it's really well done. And it's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: part of the art of acting and showing people existing. And, like,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: the mom having, like, this evidence of this life that
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: we're not going to go into.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: But you see glimpses of it reflected in the choices.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: And I guess the comparison I'd make to it is,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: last night I was trying to watch a movie called
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Bad Meat. which I've been planning to watch for maybe
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: 10 years and never got around to it.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 11: It's a long-range plan you've got.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: And it was the editor of The Onion back in
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: their early days, Scott Dickers, and he tried to go
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: into movies. And this was his movie that he co-wrote
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: with somebody. And I thought I ought to watch that.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: And it's just so terrible. It's just amazingly terrible. And
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: I think part of the reason is, is like, The
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: idea for the movie is there. There's a story. There's
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: a plot. There's stuff happening. But there's not any fun
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: stuff for anybody else in the movie to do except
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: the guy who's having the idea for the movie and
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: sort of writing it or co-writing it. There's not really
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: any acting that I couldn't do. And that sets a
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: really low bar. And it's just so depressingly... It would
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: be better if you just heard him tell you the movie.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: It would be a better thing. It would be more
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: entertaining if you just sat down and he said, okay,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I have this movie where these guys do this and that. Okay,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: all right. That's all I need. It doesn't have that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: extra stuff that just really enjoys what you can do.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: with making a movie.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 11: I think that's the key to these things that we
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 11: latch on to and we come back to time and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 11: time again is those movies that feel lived in. That
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 11: it really does feel like that's a real place. Those
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 11: are real people and that maybe, and this I think
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 11: JT definitely feels like that, like that place could still
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 11: be going on. Like, you know, it's like that felt
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 11: like it was all the stuff that was going on
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 11: there was going on before we started watching and continued
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 11: on after we watched. And like, You don't always feel
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 11: like that. Sometimes it is a very like stage play
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 11: performance and it's like, okay, and go. People sat down
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 11: and watching this. Now we start acting, you know, but
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 11: it's like, if to me, if it's a really good
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 11: performance and a really good like piece that this, you know,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 11: director or writer or whoever is put together, it feels
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 11: like a real thing that goes on and has been
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 11: going on before you ever came into it. I think,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 11: I think JT has that even in its more clunkier moment.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 11: I think everything else is so well pieced together.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it still feels like that lady is going to
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: be sarcastic in the hallway.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 11: Tomorrow.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 11: The teacher's going to continue to be a bad teacher.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: It's not like the minor characters in, it always bothered me,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: like the minor characters in Moulin Rouge, their lives just
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: revolve around the stars like they know they're the stars
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: of the movie. Who told them that they're in a movie?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, we don't care what's happening for us. These
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: are the main characters.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 11: We'll go stand in the back and be quiet when
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 11: they talk.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 12: Shh, dialogue.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 11: Anything else that Christmas means to you that we need
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 11: to pass along before we wrap this up?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a broad question.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 12: Has anybody seen the I Am Santa Claus documentary?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 11: I saw someone post it earlier today, I think. I've
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 11: heard pretty good things from everybody on there that had
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 11: mentioned it.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: I've been watching a lot of documentaries.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 11: I heard a couple of good ones on that little feed.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: The most fun thing in the movie I was watching
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: last night was a promo for a documentary called Confessions
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: of a Superhero.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 11: Have you seen that? No.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: It seemed like they were celebrity lookalikes, like there was
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: a guy who looks like Christopher Reed.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 11: I do remember this trailer. I haven't seen it, but
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 11: I do remember the trailer.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: I'm going to have to.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Check that out. It's weird when you're like halfway, or God,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I hope halfway through a movie, and you're thinking, that's
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: an interesting.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 11: You're still thinking about the trailer of another movie that's
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 11: probably better than this one.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: It looked pretty funny. The guy kind of does look
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: like Christopher Reed, but just, you know, off a little.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 12: I was at the tap room last night with some people,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 12: and there was a guy who looked, the way the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 12: people described it is, it was like somebody told him
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 12: he looked like Joseph Gordon-Levitt, he just ran with it.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 12: And he really does, like, imagine what Joseph Gordon-Levitt looks like,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 12: and that's exactly what this guy looked like. It was amazing.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 11: Sometimes it's best to not tell people they look like celebrities.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 11: I think it just goes horribly wrong.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 12: I don't know what his deal was because I didn't
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 12: know him.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was weird.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 12: I ended up being able to just observe him for
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 12: about an hour because he happened to go all the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 12: places I was. He just grabbed this drunk woman and
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 12: told her that she needed to stop being so drunk.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 12: He'd been stumbling around all night himself.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 11: Sounds like drunk activity to me. This is why I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 11: don't go places.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: I keep meaning to go there, because they do that
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: open mic, and I know some people who play there.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: And you made me think of my Christmas thing.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 11: Okay, what is your Christmas theory?
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Well, about the time, like, I was remembering JT, and
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I remember I liked it, and I was going to
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: watch it again, and it held up to watching again,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: but somewhere in that time, I re-heard the Velvet Underground song,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll. and it just came back to me
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: how much i fucking love that song and i had
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: completely forgotten about it i had just forgotten it was
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: even a thing but i heard it and i'm like
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: because i'm not really always a big fan of lou
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: reed's voice or anything um.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 11: I i have respect for what he was doing but
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 11: yeah i'm kind of hit and miss sometimes on the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 11: song it.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: Just sounds like he has bad breath or something.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 11: You know That's a very good ear you have.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I've described his voice in a positive way as
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: sounding like he keeps looking for the note even after
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: he's hit it, like a guy looking for his car
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: keys while he's holding them in his hand.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 11: He's still patting his pockets.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: And that's cool, but I think it works sometimes, and
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: it really works in that song. And if you don't
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: know the song, it's about a five-year-old named Jenny who's
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: experiencing ennui. There's just nothing going on. There's nothing on
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: the radio. Every time she turns on the radio, there's
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: nothing happening. And then she turns on, one day she
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: turns on this New York station, which I believe is
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: the same station that JT was listening to and telling
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: the cat about. And then all of a sudden she
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: discovers rock and roll and it saves her life is
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: what the next line says. Nice. Her life is saved
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: by rock and roll.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 11: I was trying to decide what we need to go
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 11: out on. I think, you know, as the tie-in, J.T.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 11: listening to this station.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 11: Your Christmas miracle right there.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: And the thing it does, and it's sort of in J.T.,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: But that song captures that moment in life that can
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: happen any time to anyone, no matter how old you are,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: where you just go, fuck it, I love what I love.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 11: And I want to share it with my cat.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a great, to me, that's a Christmas thought.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 11: And I think that's how we should get out of here.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: Merry Christmas, everyone.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 11: Happy Life Day.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: And, yeah.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, I'm rolling them all into one. This is
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 11: going up probably around Hanukkah too, so have yourself a
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 11: happy whatever you're into. Otherwise, that about does it. We
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 11: will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: Jenny said when she was just five years old, there
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: was nothing happening at all. Every time she puts on
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: the radio, there was nothing going down at all.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 16: Not at all.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: Then one fine morning, she puts on a New York station.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: You know, she don't believe what she heard at all.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: She started shaking to that fine, fine music. You know
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: her life was saved by rock and roll.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: Despite all the.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: Amputations, you know you could just go out and dance
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: to the rock and roll station.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: It was alright.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: It was alright.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 11: Hey baby, you know it was alright. It was alright.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: Ginny said when she's just about five years old, you
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: know my pants are going to be the death of
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: us all.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 11: Two TV sets and.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: Two Cadillac cars, well, you know, ain't going to help
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: me at all. Nah, just a tiny bit. And one
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: fine morning, she turns on a New York station.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 11: She doesn't believe.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: What she hears at all. She started dancing to that fine,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: fine music You know life is saved by rock and
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: roll Yeah, rock and roll Despite all the computation She
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: could just dance to that rock and roll station And baby,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: it was all right Yeah, all right Hey, it was
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: all right Hey, here she comes now Like Ginny said
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: when she was just about five years old Hey, you know,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: there's nothing happening at all Not at all Every time
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: I put on the radio You know there's nothing going
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: down at all.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 11: One fine morning she is.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: A new york station she doesn't believe.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: What you heard at all hey not at all she's
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: told to dance to that music you know her life
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: is saved by rock and roll yes rock and roll
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: oh despite all the computation you know you.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: Could just dance to a rock and roll station.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 13: All right.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: And it was all right.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 11: Oh, you listen to me now. And it was all right.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 8: Come on now.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 13: Hey.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, come on.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 11: Lucy, stop starting dog fights.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 12: It was really cute for a second.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 11: It was cute and then it was terrifying.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Angel's just so loud. That's her only real character flaw.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 11: She's the character art.
• 1:35:46
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• 1:35:49
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• 1:35:58
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