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#171 - Don Warnock Jr. - All Things Music · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Hello boys and girls. This is the Chris and Mike show
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  coming to you live from Riverside FM Podcasting Studios
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  and we are here today with our good friend Don Warnock.
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  We are also live on Twitch, YouTube, and now Chris and
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  mikeshow.com, so you can find all three of those platforms and
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  you can check us out. Check us out live wherever you
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  are right now in the world 'cause we're Mike. 29 countries
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  now, Mike. 30 brother, 3030 countries.
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  Yeah, we, we failed to welcome Sweden last week they joined on
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  board. So welcome, Sweden.
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  Hello, Sweden. We're not coming after you.
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  We're not Donald Trump. You can keep.
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  Every. We're not playing a grown up
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  game of Risk. I got Venezuela, now I'm going
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  for Greenland. Next is Australia, because
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  Australia has a stranglehold. Actually, it's kind of funny
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  because now that we have the website, the website, when you
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  look at the analytics, it's cool because it does look like a real
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  life game of Risk and we're starting to fill.
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  In it is mine too, so it's. Awesome.
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  Yeah, that was Nikki. That was Nikki's analogy of what
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  Trump's doing. He's like, he's playing a grown
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  up game of Risk and I'm like, it's pretty much.
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  It's brilliant. I love that.
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  Like how many cards? You got the green, you got the
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  green, you got the black. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So if you don't know, Don Warnock was on our show a while
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  back when we had an epic conversation about parts of his
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  life that were really cool that that he shared with us at night,
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  like even his parents hadn't heard.
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  But Don is such a cool human. We wanted to have him come back
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  on the show and just talk music because Don and I met via a
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  mutual friend, Neanderthal, who is a disc jockey here in in
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  Arizona. Also want to Kansas.
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  Right. Yeah, OK.
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  Yeah. So, so that was our mutual
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  connection. So I always actually thought Don
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  was some type of disc jockey or in the music world.
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  You know. Come to find out, he's not, he's
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  just like Mike and I had this innate amount of knowledge of
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  music and love and passion for it because it's it's it's life's
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  soundtrack. So we brought Don back just to
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  have a conversation about music and you know which Mike and I
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  love and. You're not going to find three
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  guys that like to talk about music more than us and I think.
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  Oh, my God, yes, both of us. So thank you for thank you for
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  having me back for stalkers. Yeah.
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  The love of music is unbelievable.
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  It it runs through our veins. I think personally, you, you
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  know, as recovering addicts, you know, music plays a huge part.
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  Oh yeah, of how we react to life.
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  And you know, having, you know, say Ozzy, for instance, you
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  know, you can go clear back to to the early mid 80s and, you
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  know, Ozzy got me through my first stint in rehab, lockdown
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  rehab. So yeah, super important, man.
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  You know, I went there, I got a piece.
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  Of music that I play all the time Don that literally saved my
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  life because I. Played my life, my man.
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  Over again to get me through those rough times, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, I could not agree more.
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  Every time I pick up my guitar and I play that, there's very
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  few times that I don't get emotional when I play that
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  particular course of music, you know, because I remember all
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  those times. It gives you chills down your
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  spine. I I got, I got chills now just
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  thinking about Ozzie, you know, God rest his soul, but.
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  How can he got? How can he not get chills
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  thinking about Ozzy? Yeah, you dance straight, Chris.
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  Well, you said it best when he died, Chris, the world got
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  quieter. Yeah, the world.
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  Stands to. And not just because of his
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  music, because of his pushback against what he considered the
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  ridiculous part of society. Right.
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  Yeah. You are.
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  Correct. Yeah.
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  And just everything. Ozzy was an enigma.
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  He's just. One of the times, one of the.
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  Times, I think and and thanks to Sharon, he became that that
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  worldwide icon because without Sharon, Ozzy doesn't have a a
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  solo career. I don't think to the level that
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  he did, he'd be. Dead or or or have some semi
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  restraint. Sharon, I think he's here and
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  held him down. Now he's a tough.
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  Actor, I think he admitted many times he would have never made
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  it out of that hotel room that you are correct.
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  Yep. Yeah, yeah.
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  So what do you want to start with today?
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  Whatever man. Fire away, dog.
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  OK, here. I'm going to just get it out the
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  way, Jens. Lead us under.
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  Start Shinedown. Sign down.
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  Let's say you do, man, I need one of those.
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  Yeah, it's a back stretcher. I love that guy I got.
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  Those too. It's from the Bear Cafe, the
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  Bear Claw. It works on the Bear Claw.
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  Yeah, yeah, yours, yours a little longer than my back
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  scratcher, yeah. That's what.
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  She's now you've got an extension.
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  You walk right into that one. That's awesome and even.
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  With the dinner. Make my shirt on man, Come on.
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  I was going to say mine's wider. No shit, Mike, right?
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  Hey, I've heard you know wider is better than.
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  You're not legs, right? Yeah.
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  Anyway, we'll start real quick with Shinedown and I'll take a
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  breathe. I did get to meet Eric, Berry,
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  Zach and of course Brent about two, 2-3 years ago.
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  Those gents could not have been kinder.
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  I love them live and, and, and the reason being you know just
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  what you know Mike and you and you, Chris said.
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  They got me through some very difficult times in my life.
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  With that being said, the radio station here, 98.9, The Rock,
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  Kansas City, we were the there were only 12 spots for meet and
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  greets. Myself, myself and my roommate
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  Scott Burroughs were 13 and 13 and 14.
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  Yeah, yeah, they'll watch. Yeah, he'll watch.
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  Why I? Waved high.
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  That's why I waved high. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So anyway, Brent, Brent came to us, yeah, at the very end of the
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  line because we are the odd ducks out.
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  We're the 13 and 14, which was only supposed to be AA12 spot on
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  meet and greet. And Brent asked me like 6 times,
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  is there anything we can do for you?
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  Is it? My jaw was on the floor because
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  I'm meeting Brent Smith, lead singer of Shinedown, my favorite
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  band, and. And I couldn't get the words out
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  of my head. And fortunately, my roommate,
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  Scotty, he spoke up. He goes, hey, man, just keep
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  spinning the tears, man. And end of the day, that's what
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  it's about. Yeah.
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  Anyway, that's why I love Shinedown.
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  And that's all I say about Shinedown.
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  That's cool. Well, and you know, those guys
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  are as much as that is an embarrassing moment at the time,
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  those guys are so used to that, you know.
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  Yeah. Where where somebody gets tongue
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  tied? Yeah, they don't.
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  I don't think they think. Mike, I was completely tough
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  about it. I I didn't even formulate the
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  words that I wanted to say to him and I.
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  Was been there almost every time I met somebody that we opened up
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  for. Pat Travers, like that guy was
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  one of my heroes in the bluesy style of playing, right?
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  I always wanted to put emotion into my playing.
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  There's nothing wrong with, like I put Megadeth in a category of,
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  I used to call it typewriter rock, right?
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  And that's really a bad way. I don't mean that in a bad way.
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  I mean it like, you have to be right on the key all the time.
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  You got to be right on the beat. There's no room for real
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  improvisation, right? I'm not saying their music
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  doesn't have a swing or a feel to it, because it does.
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  That's why I love them. But it's very precise is the
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  word I use now. I like the Pat Travers style of
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  looseness, and I tried to incorporate that into our rock
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  music, right? We were.
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  We had an edge to our music. It wasn't heavy metal, but it
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  wasn't Matchbox 20. You know, we were somewhere in
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  between. One radio rock I got you.
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  We we could have easily made it. On the radio, yeah, we could
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  have been ready to rock. We were more if I had to clarify
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  us, we were rock'n'roll, but we were kind of like arena rock.
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  We were because, because I always kind of say that we were
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  Creed before Creed was discovered, because that's kind
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  of how I wrote, right? We had hooks, we had style, you
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  know, we had a little, a little, we had a little something, you
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  know, we, we talked about it before.
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  I think with you, Don, where we'd come out, we'd play 3 songs
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  in a row. I didn't say shit to the crowd
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  and it's just boom, boom, boom. And then when we're done with
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  third song, everybody's just like, holy shit, we came to see
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  this other band and these guys are the opening act.
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  Who did we come to? See, and they RIP it apart,
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  baby. Because we just, we, we, you
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  know, we had the, some of the bands we opened for, we had to
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  like own our space and, and deliver right up front.
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  And then once we did that, once we busted out that once we
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  finished that third song and everybody takes a big deep
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  breath, you can feel the whole crowd go, oh, wow, that was 3
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  songs back, back-to-back. That was amazing.
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  Yeah. 'Cause some of the some of the
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  bands talking about are like Armored St.
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  Sacred, right? Their fans are not so forgiving
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  to seeing opening bands right? So we made sure that like when
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  we came out, just like Chris said, the first 3 songs were
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  like we got to beat him over the head or we're going to lose them
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  right away. You can't come out and play 100
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  beat a minute song right off the bat, and when you're opening for
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  a band that. Yeah, I got you.
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  So the night that we played for with Pat Travers, he was all I
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  had The opposite, you know, Like I had the Don't meet your heroes
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  moment because he was all coked up and didn't want to talk to
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  anybody. I've since forgiven him for that
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  because I went down that road myself.
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  I had not. Been there yet?
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  I. I didn't know what he was going.
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  We've been there time. Yeah, yeah, all, all three of us
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  have been there so. So I'm, I haven't done, I
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  haven't done coke, man. You're a lot.
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  Yeah, yeah. I watched.
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  I watched. Oh, that's cocaine.
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  Good. That that's Crystal.
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  Good thing, brother. Oh, that's freebasing.
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  OK. I had no idea.
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  Yeah, Mike didn't. Mike, when I when I was around,
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  Nemo says none of that was going on with some other bands I was
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  in after the fact that I was. Oh, that's oh, that's what
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  freebasing is. OK, I'm I'm out.
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  See. You yeah, good luck to you.
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  So anyway, Mike, to get back to what you were saying and and
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  Chris, you as well, because you brought up Creed, the difference
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  between Creed and Alter Bridge is one man and it's Miles
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  Kennedy and absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
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  Anyway, Miles, like you were mentioning, Mike, he plays in a
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  lower key, but he plays to where he plays a motion versus Mark.
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  Are we talking Miles or Mark? No, no, Miles.
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  OK, I see what you're saying now.
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  And then go, go to Mark Termani. Yeah, I see it, brother.
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  Yeah, I love it, my man. See the bottom.
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  So anyway, Mark. Mark Termani.
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  Yeah, I see it now. I know you're making me jealous,
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  man. So anyway, Tremonti plays more
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  mechanical, so I totally get what you're talking about.
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  Pat Travers. Yeah.
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  I didn't want to ever lose that Southern rock kind of looseness
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  with the double stops and, you know, just being able to put my
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  own flavor on my own music, right?
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  So I didn't have to play the same solo the same way every
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  time. I would always start it the same
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  way. And I was, I would pretty much
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  end it the same way. And somewhere in the middle it
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  would keep you knowing what was going on.
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  But I didn't have to play. You are correct for no, right,
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  Right. Mark Tremani is one of my
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  favorite guitar. Players.
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  Oh, I have you ever met with you?
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  Have you ever met? No.
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  I never had to play he's. Incredible.
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  Did he? And Chris has told me, Frank
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  Sinatra, you did see my piece, yeah.
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  I've listened to all that stuff, man, because it made me a way
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  that, number one, that he was interested in it and #2 he was
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  so good at it. And and #3 the Frank Sinatra
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  folks that run the trust gave him the blessing to sink.
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  Ah, you sucked. Now he's laying it on thick.
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  Yeah, I know. He's got a lanyard hanging out,
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  man. Afterwards it's Avip Pass.
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  I'm jealous. Of course it was.
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  So anyway, yeah, the Frank Sinatra troupe gave him the
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  blessing to do that. And he, he nails it from fly,
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  fly me to the moon. Right out the gates, fly me to
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  the moon. He does, and that first time I
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  heard him doing Sinatra I was like, shut the fuck up.
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  That's not. Tremonti.
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  That's Tremonti. That's Mark Tremonti, man.
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  Here's the squirrel. Here's another squirrel moment.
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  Oh, look at that. That's.
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  Badass dude. That's that's 35 years old or
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  30. Years old.
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  That's awesome dude. Unbelievable when you guys send
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  me. Yellowed.
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  Hey, that's the. Only one I got.
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  The only one I got, brother. Or you better save it dude.
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  This this is the only nemesis T-shirt I got.
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  You got any mic? I well, I might.
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  No, you don't got to say me anything.
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  I'm just kidding, man. I might.
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  That's awesome. I'm just I'm.
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  Just saying that was the only that was a teacher.
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  Like I saved memorabilia from our time and and really
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  ironically enough, the only two bands I saved shit was was was
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  Nemesis and the last one I was in.
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  But that's the thing. It's just, you know, that was.
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  Yeah. And the Christmas, yeah, I dug,
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  I dug back on on that. And I've seen, I think if I
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  remember right, I've seen some of your stuff live.
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  I'm not sure if it's Nemesis or not.
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  You may have seen. Hair from the council, you have
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  a. Little bit.
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  Wow hair. I don't remember what that fuck?
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  Yeah. Me neither bro, that's why I'm
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  wearing a hat. See, I wasn't.
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  In my very, very first band, if there's.
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  Anything out there? Yeah, you might want?
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  You might have got a one of those shirts for free had you
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  come seen us live because he used to just throw them out.
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  Oh, that was bumper stickers. That's how he got the crowd
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  going. He'd look for the loudest,
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  rowdiest person wherever we're at.
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  And yeah. And throw it down.
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  Target them, yeah. Yeah, yeah, my man, I want to.
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  Oh, that's cool. Now you're just rubbing it in
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  team. That's cool.
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  Dude, epic, my man. Epic.
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  When did that come on? Comic book.
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  It's a comic book. That's even better.
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  Dude, that's awesome. That's so cool.
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  It's a it's a it's one day remains, but they did it comic
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  booking. That's really cool, man.
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  Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Oh yeah, I can see. So it's it's a four.
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  It's a four set, four album set. Find the real One day remains
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  open Vinyl. Vinyl.
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  Yep. Burn it down.
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  Metal Lingus, broken wings And levering your memory down to my
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  last watch your words shed my skin.
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  And the end is here now the end is here.
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  Yeah. There is a part in that song at
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  the four minute 32nd mark. Listen to it a few times.
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  There's a harmonic that Tremonti does, Yeah.
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  I'm telling you, brother. The dude is I have AI have, I
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  have a list, I have a song list that ties to running a half
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  marathon. And if that song comes on, I
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  know I'm 2 songs away from finishing.
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  And I look at the distance and if I'm not there, I'm like fuck,
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  I'm not going to make it. Hey, man, it it'll fire up your
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  kit, man. You, you, you get Mark kicking
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  on the guitar, dude. It's he's unbelievable, man.
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  You mean Scott? No, Scott.
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  Scott's a drummer. You, you said, yeah, you said
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  you had said you get, you get Mark kicking on the drums.
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  Scott's a drummer. No, he said.
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  Guitar. Oh, I thought he said drums.
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  I'm not bad. I I misheard.
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  Hold on, I'll rewind. Yeah.
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  Hey Mike man, we better have his have his iPods too.
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  He's multitasking. On a level that most people
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  can't even imagine, that was that.
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  Was oh, that was a good. It's a company called Z2 Comics.
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  I keep bugging, I keep bugging Miles and and Tremonti's brother
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  to have them come on the show and they just don't want to talk
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  to me. Yeah, come on, He's a super fan.
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  There's that. No, definitely Mike.
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  I'm, I'm with Chris on this. I'm a super fan with Alter
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  Bridge. I am Gene, Creed and Creed of
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  course. I am too.
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  He got me into Alter Bridge. I hadn't really listened to him
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  till we started doing this podcast and he started talking
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  about it. So I went and downloaded their
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  whole catalog and just listened to it at work till I got
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  familiar with it and I. See it and it's it's legit.
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  It's it's the. They turn into zombies.
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  They turn into zombies on the tour.
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  Your wife's going to kick our booty, Chris.
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  You showing all your huh? Is she there?
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  I'm. Not showing.
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  I'm not showing my ass man. She's at work, dude.
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  Yeah, don't show your ass, man. She's at work.
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  This is BG 13 man. Yeah, PG13.
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  Now it gets tagged with explicit content every.
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  Time it gets the big X Oh yeah so anyway yeah let's let's let's
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  talk some eagles yeah talk some so I.
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  I did one of my favorite bands. Oh I saw the original Hell
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  Freezes over tour. Yeah, I did not.
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  I never got to see him. Mike.
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  I spent OK, so let me let me start this conversation real
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  quick. Yeah, my dad introduced me to
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  the Eagles, basically saying if you want to be a musician,
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  listen to the Eagles, the Doors, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling
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  Stones. Right.
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  And The Beatles. The Beatles is the songwriters
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  blueprint. The Rolling Stones invented what
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  we know is straight ahead rock'n'roll.
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  You are correct. Led Zeppelin advanced on that on
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  a level people are still trying to get me.
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  Paige, Baby. The Eagles, the harmonies, to
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  me, I had to know if they could really do that live, right.
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  So when they announced the hell freezes over to her, I was about
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  22 or 23 years old. They played at Sun Devil
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  Stadium. I paid $100 a ticket in 1993 or
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  90. 4 And that's a lot of money back then, man.
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  Yeah, and I was poor so, but I had to know.
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  And when I say that, not only can they.
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  The level delivered. Oh, my God, The level that they
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  can deliver live has only been matched in my eyes by a few
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  other bands. Pantera was one of them.
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  Metallica was one of them. Yeah.
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  The Eagles. Ted Nugent, Yeah.
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  Sweaty teddy baby. The level of live proficiency in
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  their vocals was just mesmerizing.
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  Yeah, my, my dad got to see him. I think it was, it might have
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  been held freezes over. I think they came to Arrowhead
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  and wherever they were, he he got to see the same tour and
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  said the exact same thing, man. And to hear Don Henley and Joe
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  Walsh. Jesus.
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  They talk about feeling. Unbelievable.
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  Dude, he gave him legitimacy. Sitting here thinking about
• 21:03
  yeah, Pink Shannon, champagne on ice.
• 21:08
  Oh yeah, something like that. Enough.
• 21:12
  Enough. See, my introduction to the
• 21:14
  Eagles was, was. Oh, fuck.
• 21:17
  Was it the long run? Was that an album?
• 21:18
  The long run, yeah. Absolutely.
• 21:20
  OK, that was the first. That was the first.
• 21:21
  I didn't remember. It was a song or an album.
• 21:23
  That was my first introduction to them.
• 21:24
  And then when I was in Illinois, when I was Illinois over summer,
• 21:28
  I was staying at my uncle's house and uncle's house, and I
• 21:31
  was in the basement and he had all his cassettes and stuff on
• 21:35
  an entertainment center. And I was going through it one
• 21:36
  day. Because it's farm farmland.
• 21:38
  What are you fucking doing in the farmland?
• 21:41
  And I found, I found the cassette and I listened to it.
• 21:45
  I forget what album it was, whatever album Desperado was on.
• 21:48
  But when Desperado came on. I had that holy.
• 21:51
  Shit and like, holy shit, like this is bad ass.
• 21:54
  And I was older than I was. I don't know, maybe maybe.
• 21:58
  Yeah, it was it was eighth grade, 8th to 9th grade.
• 22:00
  And I was like, wow, I didn't because I had the long run when
• 22:02
  I was a kid, like 8 or nine years old.
• 22:06
  And that's why I love the song on that.
• 22:08
  I think the long run has in the city.
• 22:10
  Is that right? Yeah.
• 22:11
  So that you and I have talked about that Mike.
• 22:13
  That song was been always been one of my favorites just because
• 22:15
  the way the way it builds up, you know, but the beginning and
• 22:19
  then when you tie them and then when you tie, when you tie the
• 22:22
  movie to the warriors to it at the ending scene where they, you
• 22:24
  know, when we come to the, the the ocean, we're home.
• 22:28
  And then they climb over that that Ridge of dirt, and there's
• 22:31
  the ocean and the thing that that note hits on the drums and
• 22:34
  just boom. You hear that opening riff?
• 22:36
  Right. Yep, Yep.
• 22:39
  It's magic, man. It's magic.
• 22:41
  And then Don Henley's solo stuff I thought was pretty legit too.
• 22:44
  Yeah, yeah. No question, Chris, Definitely.
• 22:47
  Yeah. Don Henley's solo stuff is
• 22:50
  attic. He strikes me as a fucking prick
• 22:52
  though. I'm just saying as an individual
• 22:54
  human. Yeah, I don't know.
• 22:56
  I'm busy. I don't.
• 22:57
  I don't. Think he he doesn't look very
• 22:58
  approachable at all. He never know.
• 23:02
  You know, maybe he's got male resting bitch face.
• 23:05
  Yeah, and the fact that they were the house band for Linda
• 23:08
  Ronstadt for years, you know, a lot of people, a lot of people
• 23:12
  don't know that, right? That they were the the house
• 23:14
  band for Linda Ronstadt and decision musicians and shit.
• 23:17
  That's how they got so good at what they did, you know?
• 23:22
  So where do you want to go next, Garth, bro, you want to go
• 23:24
  Garth? We can go Garth.
• 23:27
  Garth changed the face of country music.
• 23:29
  No, he changed everything. Yeah, well, he yeah, country
• 23:32
  music, Yeah, he definitely changed face country, but he
• 23:34
  opened it up for pop, rock country, which is not a good
• 23:36
  thing. Well, he took all the ideas from
• 23:39
  Kisses Arena Rock Show and turned it into a country arena.
• 23:42
  Rock show. He did.
• 23:43
  He did he. Took it straight.
• 23:44
  Out Gene and he Gene Fockett, man, Yeah.
• 23:48
  Gene. Price.
• 23:49
  And he says I was a good fan. It's not something he tried to
• 23:53
  hide, though he said he admitted it.
• 23:54
  I'm a huge KISS fan. So anyway, have you seen him?
• 23:59
  Oh yeah, I've. Never seen him.
• 24:00
  I've seen Garth twice in Vegas, twice here in KC, and every time
• 24:07
  twice. I'm sorry.
• 24:10
  Well, I think. Nick and I have seen him twice.
• 24:12
  Yeah, so and every time it's just been a big long sing along
• 24:19
  and and I love that part, you know, even with, you know, his
• 24:25
  sly guitarist may miss a cue, miss a key, His drummer may miss
• 24:31
  a key. But you don't know it unless
• 24:34
  you're unless you're a musician. Well, I can hear you recognize
• 24:37
  that shit. No, I can hear you.
• 24:38
  I know, but for the for the most part those person most.
• 24:42
  Yeah, most people wouldn't have. This person's not picking that
• 24:44
  shit up, no. And there's and there's.
• 24:46
  There's no, there's no, there's no show that's flawless.
• 24:48
  Look, don't, don't be. Don't be fool, boys and girls.
• 24:52
  There's a there's a, there's a chink in the armor somewhere at
• 24:55
  Everything will show that every single show that's ever played
• 24:57
  by any band because it's just, it's how it is.
• 24:59
  Unless what? And that's why I love live.
• 25:04
  Yes, live. If you go to a live show and
• 25:08
  it's flawless, right, what's the problem with that show?
• 25:11
  Yeah. It's it's not, it's not live,
• 25:13
  correct? Yeah, thank you.
• 25:14
  It's not what I was looking for. You got it.
• 25:16
  And Mike? Yeah, it's being studio track.
• 25:20
  Well, him and I know we've played thousands of shows.
• 25:22
  None of them were perfect. Right.
• 25:24
  No. That's why I love live music.
• 25:26
  Absolutely. But the audience thinks they're
• 25:29
  perfect, even the people who've seen this.
• 25:30
  Probably 100 times. Right.
• 25:33
  But you just don't. You don't.
• 25:35
  If you're an audience and you're and you love a music regardless,
• 25:38
  you you're going to notice subtle, subtle variances in a
• 25:41
  band's show because you're just not.
• 25:43
  You're too. You're too engaged in what's
• 25:44
  going on. Hell.
• 25:46
  You know, we get, we can step to the next band, ACDC.
• 25:50
  Oh my God, I think I had the pleasure of seeing them.
• 25:53
  Yeah, me too. I just.
• 25:54
  I never saw him. Oh.
• 25:56
  Chris, I know. I'm sorry.
• 25:58
  Perfection, brother. It's not because he didn't want
• 26:01
  to. That's why I'm not destiny.
• 26:03
  He would have let somebody off man I.
• 26:05
  I'll flip you the hundred a hundred if you want to be man.
• 26:08
  Whatever, man. No, no, I'm good.
• 26:10
  It's not like he doesn't like ACDC.
• 26:12
  I'd hammer you for that. So anyway, we give back to Jinx
• 26:16
  and the armor, you know, I've even seen Angus.
• 26:20
  You, you know, Angus, he plays like Mike when I was talking
• 26:24
  about Loose. He plays emotional, not
• 26:27
  mechanical, and I've heard him miss notes, you know?
• 26:32
  That's what happens when you that.
• 26:34
  Way of playing instead of an E by accident.
• 26:37
  That way of playing is dangerous, Don.
• 26:39
  That's why I love it, right? You're going to make mistakes,
• 26:41
  but you're also going to do, you're going to do what I call
• 26:45
  happy accidents, right? I stole that from Bob Ross.
• 26:47
  I got his little bobblehead. I love Bob Ross.
• 26:50
  Dude so. When you play loose as a guitar
• 26:54
  player, you make what I like to call happy accidents more than
• 26:58
  you make mistakes to the point where you're jamming along and
• 27:01
  everything's predictable and all of a sudden you as the player
• 27:04
  go, wow, what was that? That was awesome.
• 27:07
  Right. Yep, that works.
• 27:12
  That's how Angus plays. It's that loose and kind of, you
• 27:16
  know, behind the beat ever so slightly and what's going to
• 27:20
  happen next, you know? Well, and Angus, you know, he
• 27:24
  goes out. I don't know if you've watched
• 27:26
  any of the videos of Reese sort similar reason, but you know,
• 27:32
  he's picking it out on that thrust that goes out and to the
• 27:35
  crowd and he's doing his kick, you know, doing the Angus thing
• 27:40
  and you know you're you're bound to miss a goddamn string.
• 27:46
  Come on man. Yeah, he's basically doing the
• 27:49
  Chuck Berry Duck walk. Yeah, definitely.
• 27:51
  It's hard at the same. Time, duck, walk that big man.
• 27:56
  That is exactly right. Did you ever, Jake?
• 28:01
  Here's another band that I saw 9 or 10 times because the first
• 28:06
  time that I saw him talk about a sing along.
• 28:09
  Did you ever see Steve Miller? Yes, I I saw Steve Miller at
• 28:16
  they used to have a a big festival in Kansas City at the
• 28:21
  Liberty Memorial. It's World War One National
• 28:26
  Museum. OK, now I want to ask you a
• 28:28
  question about that concert. Yeah.
• 28:30
  Here's what blew me away because Steve Miller's recordings and
• 28:34
  it's very important when your music was recorded for a lot of
• 28:37
  people, right? Led Zeppelin is an except
• 28:39
  exception to the rule in that Jimmy Page was a studio master
• 28:43
  long before anybody else was. Unbelievable.
• 28:46
  What blew me away about Steve Miller was the drumming is
• 28:50
  outstanding in his band, but it never gets portrayed in the
• 28:53
  album the way it should. Right, Because they didn't have
• 28:56
  Studio. Musician.
• 28:57
  Yeah, well, no, they didn't have the recording capabilities to
• 29:01
  make the drum sound big and. Fat Yeah Megan 5 right to Megan
• 29:04
  Pop, his drummer. Blew me away, Don.
• 29:09
  Well, isn't it? Isn't Steve Miller's godfather
• 29:11
  Les Paul? Yeah, yes, OK.
• 29:13
  Yeah, I'm pretty sure we looked that up one time on the podcast
• 29:16
  to make sure that was true. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:19
  I just went and talked 20. 1000 people were louder than the band
• 29:22
  about 80% of the time because everybody knows every word to
• 29:26
  everyone. Every Steve Miller song.
• 29:28
  You You are correct, so do I. Well, it's like John Mellencamp,
• 29:33
  Mike and I sound I was just. Getting ready to go there,
• 29:35
  brother. So yeah, killer man.
• 29:37
  He's he's a bad motor scooter man.
• 29:39
  Yeah, and here's here's the here's the story about
• 29:41
  Mellencamp life, Mike. And I've talked about this lot
• 29:44
  'cause it's fucking amazing. It is.
• 29:45
  So Drummer Kenny's back to Drummond, right?
• 29:48
  Yep. And you can hear him break his
• 29:49
  snare. OK, He's he breaks his.
• 29:51
  Snare. By the time you right, but by
• 29:54
  the time he brings his hand back up and drops back down, his drum
• 29:58
  tech already swapped out. God damn, that's a good tech
• 30:02
  dude. And and Mike and I, no shit.
• 30:04
  Mike and I were at the show. We both taught it and and and
• 30:07
  like and like both. You want to talk about a tight
• 30:12
  band and and less. Than a beat that guy swapped
• 30:15
  that snare out. That's amazing.
• 30:17
  And it's not like, it's not like he's just, I mean, it was, I
• 30:20
  forgot what song it was. But that And then later in that
• 30:23
  show, the house lights come on and Mellencamp stacks back from
• 30:27
  the microphone and the entire crowd just sings the song back
• 30:30
  to him. Yep.
• 30:30
  That's that's that's that's. And then he bowed back to the
• 30:34
  crowd. It was so cool.
• 30:37
  Yeah. And I've seen him probably twice
• 30:39
  since and the last one was absolutely so bad on that team
• 30:41
  again. Let's not get off.
• 30:43
  I gotta find out I'm. Sorry, 'cause I, yeah, you're
• 30:45
  good, you're good. That's not your fault.
• 30:47
  It's his fault. He sounds like shit.
• 30:49
  He smells too much. He's did his.
• 30:50
  It destroyed his voice. Yeah, he should have stepped
• 30:52
  away from the. Cigarette.
• 30:53
  OK, so this is actually he just released this statement within
• 30:56
  the last week because he's going back out on.
• 30:58
  Tour. I know, I talk.
• 30:59
  About real, raw and relevant again, right, Right.
• 31:02
  His quote is I was playing to 20,000 people and everybody was
• 31:06
  drunk and I was just kind of the cheerleader.
• 31:08
  I just thought, I'm here to be a musician.
• 31:10
  This is not being a musician. This is being a fucking clown.
• 31:13
  I don't want to be a fucking clown.
• 31:15
  So what is your guys's opinion? Nah.
• 31:20
  On And Chris Knows Mine, if you have written songs that spoke to
• 31:25
  a generation and now it transcended to another
• 31:29
  generation, to another generation, you owe those fans
• 31:34
  the same performance that Chris and I saw in 1993 or 4 where
• 31:39
  people were dancing in the aisles.
• 31:41
  I get goosebumps every time I think about standing next to him
• 31:44
  at that show. It's the same experience I had
• 31:47
  with Scott at ZZ Top. I did not expect.
• 31:49
  I knew they were going to be good.
• 31:51
  I didn't know they were going to change my life.
• 31:52
  There's certain changes right there.
• 31:56
  And that Mellencamp show and Mike and I agree.
• 31:59
  And I've told this 1000 times when I'm asked what's the when
• 32:03
  somebody asked you what was the most entertaining concert you've
• 32:05
  ever been to, It's a loaded question because there's so
• 32:06
  many. But that show that Mellencamp
• 32:08
  did by far from an entertainment standpoint, I'm not talking
• 32:11
  about the musician. I'm not talking about the the
• 32:13
  songs. I'm not talking.
• 32:14
  About the history and the catalog of the music.
• 32:16
  Just that moment time, pure entertainment.
• 32:19
  I'm here, Rock'n'roll show. We're still talking about it 35
• 32:24
  years later, like we were there yesterday.
• 32:26
  Right. And then Garth Brooks has that
• 32:28
  from a country level standpoint, if the the most entertaining
• 32:31
  country song, country concert I've ever been to.
• 32:33
  And he did it in Phoenix at the at where the Suns play.
• 32:36
  I forget what it's called now, but he was doing he was doing
• 32:38
  back-to-back shows. He was doing 2 shows a night.
• 32:40
  Yep. He was doing he was doing a 6:00
• 32:43
  played for three hours and then came back on, I think, yeah.
• 32:46
  And then came back on an hour later and played and we got we
• 32:49
  caught the second show and it was fucking, it was
• 32:51
  unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
• 32:55
  Just unbelievable. Let let's step back to what Mike
• 32:59
  was reading. I'll step into Aaron Lewis.
• 33:06
  He he's got an an angelic voice and when he performs when he's
• 33:17
  on and not yelling at the crowd, right good, top notch.
• 33:23
  But I won't, will not go see him just because of what Mike just
• 33:29
  read, because he doesn't appreciate the people that put
• 33:33
  him on that stage. Thank you the Jeez, thank you,
• 33:38
  you know, which is, which is why the gracious musician we talked
• 33:41
  about this with Lemoyne Alexander, who was in who was a,
• 33:44
  who was a rap, a rap producer in the 90s and he's attached to
• 33:47
  every rap artist you can think of in the 90s.
• 33:48
  No, no joke, think of a 90s rap artist.
• 33:50
  Lemoyne was was attached to him in some way, shape and form.
• 33:53
  It's the same way the more gracious and humble the musician
• 33:57
  is, the the longer and more loved they are.
• 34:00
  The If you're a fucking asshole, you're going to talk about them
• 34:03
  being an asshole as opposed to any other thing.
• 34:05
  Oh, here's a three three fold easy.
• 34:08
  Here's here's a great. Quick example, and we won't name
• 34:11
  names because you know we're above that, but Chris just named
• 34:15
  a name because Lemoyne has come on here twice with platinum
• 34:19
  albums hanging. Behind.
• 34:21
  He has no reason to talk to Chris and Mike, right?
• 34:25
  No, no, he couldn't have been more gracious.
• 34:29
  Another example. Here's A.
• 34:32
  Here's another example. So Option B is a young and up
• 34:37
  and coming artist who is an incredible guitar player and
• 34:40
  probably going to make it, but hasn't made it yet.
• 34:44
  They don't have the platinum mountains hanging behind them,
• 34:46
  right? And they were too busy and too
• 34:49
  good to talk to us, right? And that's fine.
• 34:52
  Move on. That's, you know, that's sad.
• 34:55
  But it's what I would, I would like to tell that kid, right.
• 34:58
  You need to follow the Moines example in that he's been there,
• 35:02
  done that, has no reason to talk to us, has the money in the bank
• 35:06
  still making the music and was as joyous to be on here.
• 35:11
  As you are right now, forget his roots and that that's why I
• 35:14
  brought up Tech 9, because Tech is from Tech 9 is from Kansas
• 35:19
  City. And every label told him no, not
• 35:24
  too fast. Now he ain't going to make it.
• 35:27
  So he started his own label and he's huge.
• 35:34
  I mean, look up Tech 9 on YouTube and he's never worked.
• 35:38
  Yeah. And sometimes that's what you
• 35:40
  have to do. That's what we're doing here,
• 35:42
  right? Nobody came and knocked on our
• 35:44
  door and said, hey, would you guys do a podcast and interview
• 35:46
  some people? So we started our own, right?
• 35:48
  Yeah. You dance right I.
• 35:50
  Don't know why they you know they.
• 35:51
  Didn't I never started their own podcast?
• 35:55
  Oh, the Kelsey brothers. Started fuck the Kelsey brothers
• 35:58
  man. I am so I am so tired of the
• 36:03
  Kelsey Brothers man and you. Want to know why?
• 36:06
  You want to know why? I'm going to tell you why.
• 36:08
  I'm going to tell you why Jason Kelsey is nothing without his
• 36:11
  brother. Jason Kelsey was just a Sinner
• 36:13
  on her football team until Travis started Taste.
• 36:15
  Taste until Travis started dating Taylor Swift.
• 36:18
  Haters, you can hate, but it's a fact.
• 36:20
  Nobody fucking talked about Jason Kelsey.
• 36:23
  No, nobody. Nobody talked about Jason.
• 36:26
  No, but don't think about it. Tell me if I'm wrong.
• 36:28
  Nobody talked about Jason Kelsey until Travis started dating
• 36:31
  Taylor. The only reason Jason Kelsey's
• 36:33
  on a pregame is because of his brother.
• 36:35
  The only reason Jason Kelsey's on commercials is because of his
• 36:37
  brother. The only reason Jason Kelsey's
• 36:39
  got a podcast is because of his brother, which is fine, but you
• 36:42
  cannot tell me that if Travis did never, if Travis never dated
• 36:46
  Taylor Swift, you would not have the conversation as relevant
• 36:49
  with Jason and and Travis Kelsey.
• 36:50
  Travis Kelsey. Hold on.
• 36:52
  I know, hold on, hold on. Travis Kelsey is a badass
• 36:54
  motherfucker tied in this first four years in the NFL.
• 36:57
  He was like, motherfucker, get out of my way, I'm running you
• 37:00
  over. Get a great football player
• 37:02
  100%. But because of his dating with
• 37:04
  Taylor Swift #1 it kind of, it kind of tilted the NFL viewers.
• 37:09
  It skewed things big time. And it tilted the NFL
• 37:11
  viewership, which is fine. Women can love football, that
• 37:14
  kind of jazz. I'm not saying that.
• 37:16
  But it changed the way football's perceived.
• 37:18
  It turned it into drama. It turned into a reality show
• 37:21
  Was before football. First hard knock shows the
• 37:24
  behind. The scenes, right?
• 37:28
  Right, that's what I'm saying. That's football.
• 37:30
  I love it. That's when somebody hits this
• 37:32
  hot button issue. But that's but that's, and
• 37:33
  that's what I'm saying, Don, But because what the world decided
• 37:37
  that, Oh, we pay attention to Travis and and Taylor, it
• 37:40
  changed everything and it changed and and it changed
• 37:44
  everything in a negative way because look at the NFL now as
• 37:46
  opposed to what was five years ago.
• 37:48
  Microscope. Exactly.
• 37:50
  Which is fucking bullshit. It's a fucking game.
• 37:52
  You go play the game, you hit people, you light them up.
• 37:55
  Now there's people the the referees suck so bad now that
• 37:59
  that's the conversation you have Tuesday morning instead of about
• 38:01
  the game. You're not talking about the
• 38:03
  game. Here's the thing I'm going to
• 38:04
  agree with you on. OK, for four years he looked
• 38:07
  like and no, no, no, no. That's I love it when somebody
• 38:10
  hits your hot button. Issues, man, I think we hit this
• 38:14
  hot button, Mike. That's why people love listening
• 38:16
  to this show. Sometimes you hit my hot button
• 38:19
  issues, sometimes you're going to hit his.
• 38:21
  One thing I'll agree with him on is there's the potential that
• 38:26
  you would have said Travis Kelsey was one of the best tight
• 38:30
  ends to ever play the game for four years and then he would
• 38:32
  have faded into existence, right?
• 38:34
  That potential for his timeline was possible.
• 38:38
  I'm not going to disagree with Chris on that, right.
• 38:41
  So what you said, Don, is the dating of the superstar
• 38:46
  definitely skewed him to be a superstar, maybe longer than he
• 38:50
  would have otherwise, right? Right.
• 38:54
  Because this year, this year, would you have talked about
• 38:57
  Travis Kelsey? No, no, he had an off here and
• 39:00
  it's and it excuse the reason he's a superstar.
• 39:02
  He should be known for football, not for who he dates, period.
• 39:06
  I don't care who you on the NFL or or in in basketball or in
• 39:09
  baseball for that matter, or hockey, the Olympics, it it
• 39:12
  doesn't matter who you date, man.
• 39:14
  It's what you do on the field. It's it's what you're known for.
• 39:16
  You're this person, you're Travis healthy.
• 39:18
  This motherfucker. Leave the.
• 39:19
  Grill. Of right, right, without the,
• 39:22
  without the Super Bowls, he's still getting in the Hall of
• 39:24
  Fame because he has the numbers and he's produced.
• 39:26
  Year and year and year. Until this year.
• 39:29
  Kind of like Aaron Rodgers didn't do shit this year.
• 39:31
  Aaron Rodgers should have left when he blew his knee out in
• 39:32
  Dent in in New York and just called it a day.
• 39:34
  I'm done. Russell Wilson's going to
• 39:36
  continue playing. What's he doing?
• 39:37
  He's tainting his legacy. He's taking away his his second
• 39:40
  ballot Hall of Famer. Come on, Josh Allen.
• 39:43
  Josh Allen is a new Dan. Dan Marino he is.
• 39:47
  New fans, huh? He is.
• 39:50
  Look at him, he can't get past the first round of games.
• 39:52
  Like maybe I was pulling for Chris, I was pulling for.
• 39:56
  Him I was too. I like Josh.
• 39:58
  With my G2 now, he's always a bride.
• 40:01
  That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying though,
• 40:03
  with the Chiefs gone, this was this was Josh Allen.
• 40:06
  All all anybody talks about is the referees fucking up that
• 40:10
  call and talking about how Josh Allen and how Josh Allen right
• 40:15
  and how Josh Allen cried afterwards and how Sean
• 40:17
  McDermott, I was standing up for my team.
• 40:19
  That's why you got fired. Sean McDermott shut the fuck up
• 40:21
  your coach. You take the good and the bad.
• 40:24
  You were on the wrong side of it this year.
• 40:25
  You're alongside of it last year.
• 40:26
  So be it. The referees are inconsistent to
• 40:29
  the point that they're going to call the game the first 2-3
• 40:31
  quarters touching, grab, handling, you know, oh, blocking
• 40:34
  the hand and shit. Then it comes last five minutes,
• 40:36
  fourth quarter, you do this. Oh God fucking flag.
• 40:39
  You got to call the game consistent from the beginning to
• 40:42
  the end. Period if.
• 40:43
  You're going to let them hand fight?
• 40:45
  Right. If you let them hand fight in
• 40:46
  the first quarter, they're fucking hand fighting in the
• 40:47
  fourth quarter because it's not fair.
• 40:49
  It's going to go one way or the other.
• 40:51
  I. Agree with you, and here's why.
• 40:52
  Because I watch college basketball as much as I watch
• 40:56
  the NFL, right? And the one thing.
• 40:57
  That, I want to say, is basketball too, Mike.
• 40:59
  OK, so I'm a Hawks. Fan tell me if I'm wrong here.
• 41:05
  When you watch a college basketball game, to Chris's
• 41:08
  point, there will be games, especially in what do I want to
• 41:13
  say, the Big East? There's a lot of that's like a a
• 41:17
  contact game. It's East Coast.
• 41:19
  Maybe they're. Physical.
• 41:21
  So if you start watching a game and they're allowing them to be
• 41:24
  super physical the whole game's that way they don't change at
• 41:27
  half time and say, OK, now we're going to call the game tighter.
• 41:31
  They do do that in football. I agree with Christian Bates.
• 41:34
  Bullshit. And then?
• 41:36
  And then, and then when it comes to the playoffs, you'll, you'll,
• 41:38
  you'll hear it this season when it comes to the playoffs, the,
• 41:41
  the commentators will make the statement that they, all the
• 41:43
  referees said they're going to let them play today.
• 41:45
  Well, fuck you, dude. You can't do that.
• 41:47
  They're used to playing a certain way all year long.
• 41:50
  It becomes muscle memory. I cannot touch.
• 41:51
  I cannot go around this way. If my head's not, if my head's
• 41:56
  not turned around, I'm going to get flagged.
• 41:58
  You can't change it. That's the biggest problem with
• 42:01
  the officiating is it's inconsistent.
• 42:03
  And that then lingers to it, takes you to the fact that
• 42:06
  people think it's rigged, which I go back to Would Tom Brady
• 42:09
  really let Eli Manning be his bitch twice?
• 42:11
  Then they go back to betting and then yeah, and then.
• 42:14
  Right, but that's then that's the problem with allowing
• 42:17
  betting in the in. In football you can't.
• 42:19
  That's what happened when they open up betting like they have.
• 42:22
  So you'll appreciate this. I'm going to segue you all the
• 42:24
  way back to music. That's the same.
• 42:27
  Come on. That's the no.
• 42:28
  That's the same. Not football.
• 42:29
  It's the same bait and. Switch, it's all good, man.
• 42:33
  That's what we, that's what we do.
• 42:34
  I hear what he's saying. That's the same bait and switch
• 42:37
  as John Mellencamp writing all those great songs.
• 42:39
  And then you're going to see him play them live and he strips
• 42:42
  them down to an acoustic set and he plays them at a different
• 42:45
  tempo and in a different key. Because to Chris's point, he
• 42:49
  smoked way too much and he Can't Sing the way he used to or bring
• 42:53
  that same energy as I sit here and smoke and I'll understand,
• 42:56
  but I'm not a singer, OK? That's true.
• 43:00
  So this gets back to your Mellencamp story, Mike.
• 43:05
  We had Rob Zombie here one year. I saw him too.
• 43:09
  Yeah. And I've seen I've.
• 43:11
  Seen the full on Rob and the stripped down Rob well.
• 43:16
  He was naked. You saw Rob.
• 43:17
  Zombie. I haven't seen him No, no share
• 43:19
  a moon maybe but no I just kidding.
• 43:24
  Anyway, yeah, he showed up and our our rock station was
• 43:31
  anticipating the full on Rob Zombie full show with the pyro
• 43:37
  and everything. Now he showed up with the
• 43:39
  guitar. That was that.
• 43:41
  I was like, what The Nothing, nothing around.
• 43:43
  I'm like what's? This man, this.
• 43:44
  Fucking no, no, no. What's this dog down?
• 43:47
  There so much man, I couldn't. No, no, no.
• 43:49
  I have a squirrel moment. I was.
• 43:50
  Do you hear the background? Yes.
• 43:52
  Now, like, what the hell is that?
• 43:53
  It's a street sweeper. It's a.
• 43:55
  St. Sweeper.
• 43:56
  Oh yeah, I can hear it. Are they in your backyard?
• 43:59
  Yep, I can hear you. There's a street sweeper.
• 44:01
  In your backyard. In my front yard.
• 44:04
  Weren't they sweeping up pine cones in Arizona?
• 44:06
  I don't know what the hell there's a street sweeper.
• 44:11
  What a thought. In a in a rural neighborhood
• 44:13
  they got a fucking sweet sweeper.
• 44:16
  Is that the first? Time you've ever get in the
• 44:17
  stand off the street. I've watched this or I've seen
• 44:19
  it every now and then like after like like when major storms and
• 44:23
  shit, but not in the middle of fucking 1130.
• 44:25
  On a Friday, man. It's the middle afternoon, dude.
• 44:29
  You know nice blue skies and you know it's supposed to rain
• 44:32
  tomorrow. Not like it's doing in your
• 44:34
  neck. Now I've ate Chris.
• 44:36
  I fired up. I had to go get 40 in one premix
• 44:41
  for my snow blower and I fired up.
• 44:45
  Now, I hadn't fired the damn thing up in three years, so I'm
• 44:49
  surprised it worked. I, I told Mike to get his.
• 44:52
  We have, we have similar leaf blowers, hurricane strength leaf
• 44:54
  blowers. I got one.
• 44:55
  I told him I want him, I want him blow in the snow with a leaf
• 44:57
  blower and I want a video of it. I want a video mount saying with
• 45:01
  the snow. Backpack I told him I got.
• 45:04
  Yeah, no. I told him I had the backpack.
• 45:07
  I don't. Have a backpack.
• 45:07
  I don't have a backpack. I told him I got to get somebody
• 45:10
  to shoot the video because it's hard to video yourself and blow.
• 45:14
  Yeah, yeah. But you have, but you live near
• 45:16
  a family. You just have steel.
• 45:17
  Come on. What are you doing?
• 45:18
  Steel? Nothing.
• 45:20
  Come over here, man. No, this camera.
• 45:21
  Hold my phone. He'll hold my phone while I blow
• 45:24
  the snow. Chris wants a video.
• 45:26
  He'll do it. And then we're going to, and
• 45:27
  we're going to put it up on the Instagram page, you know, and
• 45:30
  then I'll do it in and then I'll do it in Arizona and there'll be
• 45:33
  no snow. I'll do one of ours.
• 45:35
  Honestly have side by side. Yeah, everything stops in
• 45:38
  Arizona when it snows. He sent me his horrible weather
• 45:41
  forecast. Last night, Don.
• 45:45
  Yeah. My forecast, Yeah, yeah, go
• 45:47
  ahead. Before we get to to off topic.
• 45:52
  Yeah, that's fine. I love Off Topic.
• 45:54
  Works for me anyway. Talking here.
• 45:56
  Let's talk metallic they are. Metallic Hey man, brother.
• 46:01
  Quite possibly kidding my I know you are bro OK my favorite band
• 46:09
  ever When when I first heard Metallica it was on Buddy of
• 46:17
  mine had it on on cassette in his.
• 46:19
  I heard ride the light. See this I like.
• 46:21
  Yeah, it was Ride the Light. Might have been Ride the Light.
• 46:23
  OK, And I'm going, you know, I was all in the Lynyrd Skinner
• 46:28
  back then, right? In 70s bands and Manny, he fires
• 46:32
  up some Metallica. I'm going, what the fuck is this
• 46:36
  man? Man, I'm telling you it
• 46:40
  Metallica changed my life, and me too.
• 46:42
  Was that the? Was?
• 46:43
  Was that? Was that the gateway to your?
• 46:45
  To your, your your down, down what?
• 46:48
  That's your puppet, What are you talking about?
• 46:50
  No, no, I'm just asking you if I'm not, if Metallica.
• 46:54
  No, no, no, I'm no. I want to know if Metallica.
• 46:56
  Listen to Metallica. Was was was Open the door to
• 46:59
  your chaos in life. No, okay, no, to answer your
• 47:04
  question. Okay, good, good.
• 47:07
  I wanted to. I want people to understand
• 47:09
  musics, not an influence on human behavior.
• 47:11
  That's why I not at all. No, okay, thank you.
• 47:14
  They kept me for. People who think so, Well, no,
• 47:17
  but there's people to think that.
• 47:18
  That's why I asked that. Because we, we, we all know your
• 47:21
  background. We all know you've been there,
• 47:22
  done that. But that's because you
• 47:23
  introduced to that song. That's why I wanted to just, I
• 47:25
  wanted to put those two pieces together and you answered the
• 47:27
  question. Probably they didn't drive you
• 47:28
  to a life of crime. Right, That's my point.
• 47:31
  That's my point. I'm.
• 47:32
  Glad you brought that up man. Yeah, because Tipper Gore would
• 47:35
  have said otherwise. Yeah.
• 47:36
  That's the fact. If you were.
• 47:37
  Listening to Metallica. You became a friend who was
• 47:39
  coming back. Hold.
• 47:40
  On Hey, somebody, somebody should have put a rag in her
• 47:45
  head, but. So when is the first time that
• 47:48
  you got to see him live, Don? It would be it.
• 47:51
  Was 1980. 8 for me 1986 he opened up for or Metallica
• 47:58
  opened up for Ozzy on the ultimate Centaur 86 baby and.
• 48:04
  Shut the front door. Yeah, he had to kick him off
• 48:06
  that. That's the real deal, man.
• 48:08
  Well, I heard that. I heard they had to kick him off
• 48:10
  the tour because they were they were disrupting his crowd.
• 48:13
  Yeah, he was too. They were too good.
• 48:15
  They were too good. Wow and Ozzy Ban, you know
• 48:20
  you're. Talking Aussie well back then.
• 48:22
  Ozzy, he was just coming out of a rough.
• 48:25
  Period. This was 86.
• 48:26
  You are correct. Yeah.
• 48:28
  And you know, he's sweating on the stage and doing Ozzy back
• 48:31
  and forth and but Metallica just crushed it.
• 48:34
  It was on Master of Puppets, by the way.
• 48:37
  Yep. And they had, they had the
• 48:38
  master of puppets, the all the guard behind no.
• 48:44
  Epic. So, so here's why I want to go
• 48:46
  with Metallica and, and, and I'm not disenlarged for what he did
• 48:49
  with with Napster because now you know what, 30 years later,
• 48:53
  large and the important, we understand the important.
• 48:56
  Well, we understand the importance of.
• 48:57
  Doing it is important, you are correct.
• 48:59
  But Metallica was not played, my man.
• 49:02
  Metallica was not played on the radio, right?
• 49:05
  No. OK.
• 49:06
  Well, other than. Shine there.
• 49:07
  But hold on though. Metallica was not played on the
• 49:10
  radio on a whole. So the way Metallica grew in in
• 49:13
  fans and in in in sales was bootlegs.
• 49:18
  Kids would copy, kids would record the shows they would they
• 49:20
  would they would record their cassette tapes and then start
• 49:23
  selling their friends and shit. That's how Metallica climbed out
• 49:25
  of the gutter of of a garage band to where they are.
• 49:30
  So the irony of what Large did, again, I'm not slamming Large
• 49:32
  because what he did was was needed to be done and he was
• 49:36
  totally right. But it it seemed ironic to me at
• 49:39
  the time that Large is going after somebody who's allowing
• 49:42
  bootlegging and music when the reason they got where they were
• 49:45
  is because of bootlegging. Music.
• 49:48
  I'm so glad that you brought that up, Chris, because we did
• 49:51
  not make that point the last time that we talked about this.
• 49:55
  And that is such an important point to the reason that people
• 49:59
  revolted against Metallica. Because if you're old enough,
• 50:03
  like the three of us are to have been there from the beginning,
• 50:06
  that band would not have existed if somebody had not handed one
• 50:12
  of us a cassette of No Life, Tell Leather or Ride the
• 50:16
  Lightning or whatever. You know, people were copying
• 50:19
  and handing out. There was no radio play until
• 50:22
  MTV came along and played one. And now you're talking 1988,
• 50:26
  right? They started in 1981.
• 50:29
  Yep. So it was almost 10 years later
• 50:31
  before the music ever got to be on any kind of media that the
• 50:35
  average person that would see that's such an important point.
• 50:38
  And the other cool thing about that, I remember Metallica
• 50:40
  basically staying from their camp because you you again, but
• 50:43
  back in the day were MTV took that mysterious away from you as
• 50:47
  a viewer, as a listener. You.
• 50:49
  Can see your rock heroes in front of you.
• 50:50
  Metallica made a point. Their camp anyway, that we're
• 50:53
  never going to be in our videos. So when they finally show up in
• 50:55
  the videos, I was like, come on man.
• 50:57
  Like you said, you weren't going to do that and now you're doing
• 50:59
  that. I I like the fact that one was
• 51:02
  one without the band in it at all.
• 51:04
  Yeah, there was just there's two versions.
• 51:06
  They got the version that has them and then they have the one
• 51:09
  that's based on the Johnny's got his gun or Johnny got his.
• 51:12
  Gun right, well, that's the one I'm related to because I never
• 51:14
  saw the other one when for whatever reason if they had two
• 51:17
  out at the same time, I only saw the Johnny got a gun version.
• 51:19
  I never I. Never.
• 51:20
  They have a jam in version where they're in a warehouse.
• 51:22
  It's it's in black and white just like the other one.
• 51:25
  OK. Well, yeah, so, but yeah,
• 51:28
  that's, I mean, that's the whole point I want to bring when you
• 51:30
  brought up Metallica, I mean, yeah, I first time I saw
• 51:32
  Metallica was with the the, the Phoenix International Raceway.
• 51:36
  It was with the Guns and Roses where they were torn together
• 51:39
  and Metallica fucking destroyed Metallica destroyed.
• 51:42
  Guns and Roses actually was an hour and a half.
• 51:44
  Late, I would agree. But yeah, Metallica just they
• 51:47
  destroy. Everyone life.
• 51:49
  And I wasn't even close to this stage like we were.
• 51:52
  It was such a mad, I mean, you know, 100,000 people and I'm
• 51:55
  probably in the, you know, the 80 thousandth row.
• 51:57
  And it's just like it's from all the way back there.
• 52:02
  It's. Just it's and you're in the damn
• 52:03
  nether, man. It's hotter than.
• 52:04
  Balls, didn't you? It was nighttime.
• 52:07
  It was, didn't. You guys go spot, didn't you?
• 52:11
  And I go to see them on the load tour.
• 52:14
  We may have. I'm just that was the that was
• 52:16
  the first time I saw them here. I think you and I saw them on
• 52:19
  the load tour as well. OK, well, let's I know Scott,
• 52:22
  actually the. Metallic, you guys went too
• 52:25
  Metallica GNR tour. You know who the opener was for
• 52:29
  us in KC? Body count made.
• 52:33
  Oh, really? Really.
• 52:34
  Yes, yeah, yeah. Cop killer, cop killer man.
• 52:38
  And and and and ice T sang it man.
• 52:42
  Oh. Yeah, I remember that
• 52:43
  controversy a whole. Oh, it's huge dude.
• 52:46
  I see was brilliant for that. Everybody was cool to the cops
• 52:50
  and they they ignored. Well, yeah, but but that was
• 52:52
  that was I see his brilliance. And now he's played a cop on TV
• 52:55
  for 25 years. Right.
• 52:57
  Yeah. And he lives in, he lives near.
• 52:58
  He lives. He lives where Nikki exactly,
• 53:00
  Mommy? He lived where Nikki schools.
• 53:04
  It's the craziest thing ever. Yeah, he lives in Chandler, AZ.
• 53:07
  Ocotillo Liquido. Not.
• 53:10
  Uh huh. People run into him and post
• 53:11
  him. Yeah, people run into him and.
• 53:14
  Why don't you get him on the show?
• 53:16
  Because I don't know him. He people just run into him.
• 53:18
  I've seen people he's ice. Tea Man I I would forgive him
• 53:21
  for not wanting to come on to Kirsten Mike's show, but if you
• 53:23
  want to ice tea, you're welcome. I met you in Smitty's in 19. 90s
• 53:28
  Smitty's as a record store, right?
• 53:31
  Smitty's. No, no, it's a grocery store
• 53:33
  kind of like a Walmart, kind of like a Walmart marker place
• 53:36
  because it had all the things that had a little restaurant in
• 53:38
  there and you had like, you know, the, the, the, the food
• 53:41
  stuff and you had like some casual clothes like jeans and
• 53:44
  shit like that, you know, Yeah, kind of like that store yellow.
• 53:47
  Front Kind of like the new Bucky.
• 53:48
  Well, the older Bucky's, just smaller.
• 53:51
  The TG and Ryan Bucky's. But I'll agree with you.
• 53:54
  I'll agree with you. I've never been to Bucky's.
• 53:56
  The extent of our conversation was you're iced tea and he said
• 53:58
  that's what they tell me. That's what they say.
• 54:04
  See, I think it's more powerful when you meet somebody that that
• 54:06
  is, is on that level. I'm not going to say famous
• 54:09
  because, you know, the fame is a is a, is a loaded word.
• 54:12
  But somebody on a different level.
• 54:13
  If you're not, oh, all, all shucks, it's more of a genuine
• 54:17
  interaction than Oh my God, Oh my God.
• 54:20
  Oh my God, man. Because yeah, yeah.
• 54:23
  Yeah, here. Here's a prime example and I've
• 54:25
  never met her personally. I know a lot of people that have
• 54:29
  met her. Lizzie Hale from Hailstorm.
• 54:32
  She's fucking awesome. She is the real deal man.
• 54:36
  Women can do anything, can obviously can sing.
• 54:40
  She could do anything to me. Yeah, well.
• 54:43
  I agree with you on that. I have to have Nicki's for me
• 54:44
  too, Yeah. Women singers.
• 54:46
  Me too, I have that permission. I don't need no permission,
• 54:49
  honey. Listen, we'll send her your way,
• 54:52
  Mike, all right? Now she she is her.
• 54:56
  And the boys are incredible. I love all four of them.
• 54:59
  I've seen them multiple times. I've never got to meet any of
• 55:03
  them, but yeah. She's what I like to call good
• 55:05
  for music, right? She's a fan, you know, no ego,
• 55:11
  just likes to jam. That's what I always appreciated
• 55:14
  about Chris. He was like, let's just jam, you
• 55:16
  know? Those were the kind of people I
• 55:17
  was looking for. I don't want a bunch of drama.
• 55:19
  Life's full of drama. We're here to have a good time.
• 55:22
  That's just fucking. Game.
• 55:23
  I agree, brother. Every band that was in when when
• 55:26
  people would arguing like shut the fuck up, let's just go jam.
• 55:28
  Let's just go play music. That's exactly what he says.
• 55:30
  Shut up, shut the shut up. Let's just.
• 55:33
  We're here to do this like just this is when we step out of our
• 55:36
  world. This is what music takes you if
• 55:40
  he gives you a break from reality.
• 55:41
  And let's choose you to say, but it does because as when you're
• 55:43
  in a band, yeah, think about it, think about it.
• 55:46
  You're, you're, you're not doing shit for 22 1/2 hours a day.
• 55:49
  When you're a touring band, you don't do shit for 22 1/2 hours
• 55:52
  sitting around thinking you have 90 minutes a day.
• 55:54
  If you're lucky, you're going to be a headliner by then to just
• 55:57
  go out there and and be in that space.
• 56:00
  And then you got to be on. Nothing else Where nothing else
• 56:03
  in the world matters, nothing else in life matters.
• 56:05
  You're there if you're in front of 10 people or 10,000, you're
• 56:08
  touching them, you're entertaining them and you're
• 56:10
  having the time of your life for 90 minutes.
• 56:12
  And hopefully they're singing back to you.
• 56:15
  Right the other, the other 22 1/2 hours.
• 56:19
  Right, the other 22 1/2 hours, you're fucking traveling.
• 56:21
  Yep, you're doing the mundane bullshit.
• 56:23
  It's just, it's not. Sitting around with the last
• 56:26
  right, what we call. It the last band, the last band
• 56:28
  I was in. We had Roda Sturges tour in 2008
• 56:30
  and it was the most mundane, monotonous, fucking dry, boring
• 56:34
  bullshit day after day after day until we got on stage and then.
• 56:38
  How many corn rats you got, man A?
• 56:40
  Lot of corn rats. Exactly.
• 56:42
  And and the bullshit drama that we had to deal with with one of
• 56:46
  the members in the band. It just we got home, 1 member
• 56:50
  quit, one member was on his way out.
• 56:51
  I convinced him to stay. He was going to walk out during
• 56:53
  the tour. And I'm like dude, you walk out,
• 56:55
  this is done. I'm not fucking going back to
• 56:56
  Arizona with the front of my ass.
• 56:57
  Yeah, we can't do this without whatever piece of you.
• 57:01
  But that's that's. What people don't get just Willy
• 57:03
  nilly hired drummer. No, you're just there to jam.
• 57:06
  You're there to entertain. Know your role.
• 57:08
  Stay in your lane. Along the lines.
• 57:10
  Of what Chris is. Along the lines of what Chris is
• 57:13
  talking about, I just heard Sturgill Simpson say it
• 57:15
  brilliantly, he said. The music part I do for free.
• 57:18
  I get paid to travel, right? Yep.
• 57:21
  Oh, brilliant. Yeah.
• 57:24
  Because to Chris's point, he's like, I would get up there and
• 57:27
  do that for free because I have every musician in the world has
• 57:32
  played for free. And even worse, a lot of
• 57:36
  musicians have paid to play right where we give the club
• 57:39
  owner. We never did that, but some
• 57:40
  bands give the club owner money for the privilege of being
• 57:44
  there. So we.
• 57:45
  Paid in it, we paid we, but we paid in a sense we first started
• 57:48
  out because we had the pre sell tickets.
• 57:50
  That was That was better than paying to play, though.
• 57:53
  Agreed, but we're still. We're still paying, no?
• 57:57
  But we we were still paying with our time and our effort.
• 58:00
  Like we weren't just going to get to go there and play.
• 58:02
  We had the show. We could sell tickets to have
• 58:05
  people come to the door. And the more kickers came to the
• 58:07
  door, the more the yeah, you. Had a free head count.
• 58:10
  Yep, yes, yeah. We had to guarantee them X
• 58:13
  amount of people and we always overdid.
• 58:15
  Because those people are going to be drinking, spending money,
• 58:17
  tipping the bartenders, etcetera, buying feud, whatever,
• 58:22
  right? But that, but that's the thing.
• 58:23
  So we we did in a sense, we didn't pay to play, but we still
• 58:27
  we paid with our time and our. Effort to make.
• 58:29
  Sure that people were there and this is before social media, so.
• 58:33
  Hey Chris, who is rigging for you?
• 58:34
  You we rigged. Our own show gear.
• 58:38
  Yeah, yeah, all the time, all the time.
• 58:42
  Yeah, we didn't have a lot of help.
• 58:44
  Yeah, we. Had a couple roadies, we had a
• 58:49
  couple roadies that that believed in us that showed up
• 58:51
  and and it. Wasn't a 50 man Rd. crew though.
• 58:54
  It was like a. Yeah, even when we even when we
• 58:59
  did the Sturgis tour with my last band, I I hauled my own
• 59:02
  shit. I took my own shit on the stage.
• 59:03
  I I didn't. I didn't.
• 59:05
  It's one. Thing cool about Chris Don, if
• 59:07
  we, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, you have to
• 59:11
  have been in a band to understand.
• 59:12
  A lot of times, singers that don't play an instrument,
• 59:14
  they're like, do you want me to get lost and get out of your
• 59:16
  way, or do you want me to help? There were nights where it was
• 59:20
  important for him to go work the crowd, right?
• 59:23
  And we took care of all that. Shit.
• 59:24
  And we, like you said, we had people.
• 59:26
  We had people that believed in us, that wanted to be there and
• 59:29
  we allowed them to be there. But there were nights where we
• 59:32
  needed his help and he would carry the drums and he knew what
• 59:35
  to do with them and the, you know, whatever we needed, he had
• 59:39
  watched. I got yelled at that.
• 59:40
  I got yelled at the I got yelled at the first couple of times
• 59:42
  touching Scott's drums. What are you doing?
• 59:43
  I'm like, no touching. I'm helping.
• 59:46
  I'm helping, man. OK, But you don't do it like
• 59:48
  this. You got to pick up OK.
• 59:50
  Fucking drummers are the most sensitive bastards on the
• 59:54
  planet. Like don't touch.
• 59:55
  It's the whole step brothers, right?
• 59:57
  That's where that came from. Don't touch your drums.
• 59:59
  Yeah, all when? Calls a lot of singers, you
• 1:00:03
  know, LSD, lead singers. Disease.
• 1:00:06
  That's drummers. That's their quirk.
• 1:00:08
  Dude, don't touch my drums. Don't stand on my course.
• 1:00:12
  Well, there's there was sometimes there was sometimes at
• 1:00:14
  practice. I there was times at practice I
• 1:00:17
  would just casually go sit on the on on his drum kit behind
• 1:00:19
  his drum kit and he'd come in the room and his eyes like
• 1:00:21
  fucking bugged out. What are you doing sweating?
• 1:00:23
  I'm just. I'm just sitting, man.
• 1:00:27
  I'm tired, Eddie. I'm tired, touch, anything,
• 1:00:31
  nothing sad. I was just, I was just sitting
• 1:00:32
  here admiring the view from the behind the stage.
• 1:00:34
  Man, and the longer that he wouldn't sit there, the more
• 1:00:37
  nervous Scott would get to the point where he'd be like.
• 1:00:40
  Fucking. Just move.
• 1:00:42
  Just move. Let me let.
• 1:00:43
  Me, just move. Let me just move.
• 1:00:44
  Just move. Yeah, I knew.
• 1:00:47
  My guitar players are. They're different.
• 1:00:49
  They're like I pick up my guitar player.
• 1:00:51
  Yeah, yeah, the guitar players are a little more melon.
• 1:00:54
  Crank it up, I got 3. More catching this are a little
• 1:00:57
  yeah, they're, they're more careful about their equipment,
• 1:00:59
  yeah. But it's true though, when you,
• 1:01:01
  when you're in a band and you see how, how perfect they line
• 1:01:05
  up their kit because every drummer is different, right?
• 1:01:07
  And how they, how they adjust the, the, the like there's
• 1:01:09
  tilts, there's certain tilts that he would do with his Toms,
• 1:01:12
  you know, and you'd sit there watching him before showing he's
• 1:01:15
  like, and just, and just like painstakingly doing 20 different
• 1:01:21
  things for like 10 minutes. I'm like, and you just like,
• 1:01:23
  what the fuck? And then when it's all sudden
• 1:01:25
  done, it's because it, it's just, it's where he needs them
• 1:01:28
  to be. Which goes back to the story
• 1:01:32
  with the Mellencamp, right? Which goes back to the
• 1:01:34
  Mellencamp story and the drum tech being right there and
• 1:01:37
  knowing as soon as he broke that snare man that it was done like
• 1:01:42
  he knew. I wish I knew exactly.
• 1:01:44
  Oh, and and it's. Never.
• 1:01:46
  Yeah, I had to get incredible. It was, it was, and we just
• 1:01:49
  happened and we just happened to be looking at the drummer.
• 1:01:52
  That was the thing. If we weren't looking at the
• 1:01:54
  drummer, right, we wouldn't have seen it.
• 1:01:56
  And it's just, it's just, I probably was in, I was probably
• 1:01:59
  watching Mellencamp, but he was probably in front of the drummer
• 1:02:01
  in some way, shape or form because so it was my line of
• 1:02:03
  sight. Mike's probably watching guitars
• 1:02:05
  and drummers and basses and shit.
• 1:02:07
  So we just kind of our eyes emerged at the same time, but
• 1:02:09
  that's the tightness of the band and that's knowing exactly where
• 1:02:12
  all the pieces were supposed to be truly incredible at all given
• 1:02:14
  times as a drummer. Because I mean, you're off.
• 1:02:16
  Oh, that symbol stands a centimeter to the left.
• 1:02:18
  Do we lose fucking pissing off the?
• 1:02:19
  Drummer, we might not laugh. Because then it's not hits.
• 1:02:21
  Frozen in Time Here's the movie Time.
• 1:02:27
  When is the last time going back to Metallica and when's the last
• 1:02:30
  time you got to see them play live, Don?
• 1:02:33
  Let's see, I went with Jason Farr.
• 1:02:38
  He's AKA Bubba. He's a Bubba.
• 1:02:42
  Anyway, we went and saw him at Sprint Center, which is now
• 1:02:46
  T-Mobile downtown Kansas City probably four years ago.
• 1:02:51
  And man, I am telling you that place is, it's made out of Glass
• 1:02:56
  Mike. So, you know, the, I don't know
• 1:03:02
  how the engineers built it, but it, the place it expands is the
• 1:03:10
  latter. The music gets, I think they
• 1:03:12
  built it to expand and you could actually feel the building
• 1:03:16
  breathing and it was unbelievable.
• 1:03:19
  They had the, they had the, you know, the drop downs, they had
• 1:03:24
  the 360 carousels that that hung from the ceiling and would do
• 1:03:31
  all the graphics. Oh, yeah, Those are at you know
• 1:03:34
  what those are? Those are drones.
• 1:03:36
  Those are being piloted. Yeah, and they had the drones.
• 1:03:38
  They did. They did have the drones.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, it was. That's, I mean, their show's
• 1:03:42
  insane. It unbelievable dude, you know
• 1:03:46
  and you know let's this goes clear back to James cat pill.
• 1:03:53
  You know, he has the same affliction we had, you know, and
• 1:03:58
  he, he battles every day to stay away from bad things.
• 1:04:04
  And man is is he stays sober and in his sobriety of whatever sort
• 1:04:14
  he he sounds better today than I saw him in 86.
• 1:04:18
  Oh, his. Voice just keeps getting
• 1:04:19
  stronger. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:21
  Can he hit the highs as as he did when he was 20s, thirties?
• 1:04:26
  No, neither can I. But his his range and his
• 1:04:33
  longevity that he can hold the note, you know, especially on,
• 1:04:39
  you know, one for, you know, whatever, just pick a song.
• 1:04:44
  He sounds better today than he did then.
• 1:04:47
  Yeah. So fortunately for Metallica,
• 1:04:51
  the high screaming part of their music wasn't as important as it
• 1:04:56
  might be for, like, a pop artist, right?
• 1:04:58
  So what he gained in his lower register made him a more
• 1:05:03
  powerful singer, which gave their music more legitimacy.
• 1:05:07
  Their music didn't need that high.
• 1:05:09
  And I appreciate those albums, but to be honest with you, Kill
• 1:05:13
  Them All is still a little hard to listen to.
• 1:05:15
  I'm waiting for the reissue. You could be a bitch now I'm
• 1:05:18
  with you. I love the song, I don't
• 1:05:21
  necessarily like to record in quality.
• 1:05:23
  Welcome back, brother. You guys are in this monumental
• 1:05:25
  fucking ice storm. Bad monumental weather and shit.
• 1:05:28
  I'm clear blue skies and cocks. See what happens.
• 1:05:32
  Cox Communications You are absolutely sunny, but it's 5°.
• 1:05:36
  That's, let's go on record, Cox Communications.
• 1:05:38
  You suck. You absolutely suck.
• 1:05:41
  You are pathetic. You are the worst Internet
• 1:05:43
  provider in America. I literally like all of a sudden
• 1:05:47
  it stopped. I agree, Jake.
• 1:05:49
  What? The hell And I'm on the wrong
• 1:05:51
  side of the screen. I was over there and I'm over.
• 1:05:53
  Here, yeah, you're on the left. Now you're on the right.
• 1:05:56
  But that's hot, man. Everything's off now.
• 1:05:58
  We got Mike in the middle, now Mike's in the middle.
• 1:06:01
  It's like a MM Malcolm, you know?
• 1:06:03
  Malcolm in the Middle. I'm felling in.
• 1:06:05
  Right all. Right, Mike, what are you going
• 1:06:09
  to play us out, man? Play us out of tune.
• 1:06:11
  Pick up that guitar Heavy D There you go every sorry Heavy D
• 1:06:17
  light on the I had to think about my strengths Chris.
• 1:06:20
  Sorry about that. Hey.
• 1:06:21
  So So what happened with your interview?
• 1:06:23
  Any news? Actually, it's funny, urban and
• 1:06:30
  newly do do you know urban clothing newly Anyway, we we
• 1:06:37
  have a million square foot warehouse here in ring.
• 1:06:39
  Wow, wow. Yeah, it's huge, dude.
• 1:06:42
  It's monster. Anyway, I got a call back for a
• 1:06:46
  second interview on Monday and I have another interview with Echo
• 1:06:53
  Bank or Echo Soap. Sorry.
• 1:06:56
  OK, it's a nonprofit, but just transporting whatever they need
• 1:07:01
  to transport. Cool.
• 1:07:03
  So the other one didn't work out.
• 1:07:05
  Oh. Bummer, man.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah, yeah. Hey, it's OK, Mike.
• 1:07:11
  I've had more nose than I can count, so Oh yeah, the second
• 1:07:16
  interview I'm happy with. Yeah, and that's with the urban
• 1:07:20
  one or the E1. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:22
  With both on Monday. Oh, cool.
• 1:07:24
  Right on fingers. Fingers.
• 1:07:25
  One that I, Yeah, the one I interviewed with you or when?
• 1:07:29
  When we had to reschedule. Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  I didn't get that. OK, that's OK.
• 1:07:36
  It's all good. If you need a, if you need a, if
• 1:07:38
  you need a reference, put me. Put me down.
• 1:07:41
  Oh, I do. Thank you, guys.
• 1:07:43
  Thank you I've. Known you.
• 1:07:44
  I've known you for a long time. So you put me down a deal, man.
• 1:07:46
  Yeah, that is a big deal, Jets. Thank you.
• 1:07:49
  Yeah, I want to comment the fact that you're a Kansas City's fan.
• 1:07:51
  I'll let that slide. No one thing wrong, Doctor
• 1:07:57
  Cohen. You sent me the damn poster.
• 1:07:58
  Oh good, because that's kind. Of love you man here.
• 1:08:00
  That's because I love you, man. You're a good human.
• 1:08:03
  When you sit here and have conversations like this with
• 1:08:05
  people, you definitely get to know them.
• 1:08:08
  And the one thing that I did not anticipate is how much you can
• 1:08:11
  feel someone's generous or not generosity.
• 1:08:15
  They're genuineness, right? You guys too man, it comes
• 1:08:19
  straight through the screen. I didn't anticipate that at all.
• 1:08:23
  I was like, how much, you know, are we going to really feel what
• 1:08:26
  these people are? And there's times where we'll
• 1:08:28
  get off here and basically have the same opinion or somebody.
• 1:08:32
  It's like they were, they were whatever, you know, or we'll
• 1:08:36
  just be so blown away. It, it's almost like it drains
• 1:08:39
  you, you know? Man, you know, we've been
• 1:08:41
  talking for a little over an hour now, man, it seems like 5
• 1:08:44
  minutes. It does.
• 1:08:45
  I mean, exactly. Yeah, it just.
• 1:08:47
  It does. No.
• 1:08:47
  Agreed. Agreed.
• 1:08:49
  Absolutely. That that is super fun.
• 1:08:52
  That's when you know you know, the the truth is the truth.
• 1:09:00
  The feelings are mutual and and the podcast is real and you
• 1:09:06
  know, I I Jesse James Dupree, Speaking of the demo, you know,
• 1:09:13
  when he had on full final swoon man, that was all real him and
• 1:09:19
  Mike Ballard and and that that is for real and he wouldn't.
• 1:09:23
  You know how I know? You know how I know that, Don?
• 1:09:26
  Yeah, because when I saw them, I saw him live twice.
• 1:09:29
  But the first time I saw him was in their.
• 1:09:31
  Heyday I made Jesse. And I got to see him at the
• 1:09:33
  Electric Ballroom, same place Chris had graced the stage many
• 1:09:37
  times. Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  And he came out and he's like, you know, got this shit eating
• 1:09:41
  grin on his. Face.
• 1:09:42
  Oh yeah, that's Jesse. Everybody like my new guitar and
• 1:09:45
  the whole crowd goes crazy. And he's like, yeah, I like it
• 1:09:48
  too, but mostly because they give it to me for free.
• 1:09:54
  That's just being just being honest, folks.
• 1:09:56
  Just being honest. All right, Hotel California,
• 1:09:59
  come on. I wish I knew.
• 1:10:01
  Hotel California, Yeah. He.
• 1:10:02
  Doesn't do covers, man. That's the thing about Mike.
• 1:10:04
  Mike's not a big. I'm taking MG man, come on.
• 1:10:07
  Yeah, I have not spent my whole life.
• 1:10:09
  Are you going to sing Chris? No.
• 1:10:11
  Chris will do. I'm going to do my I'm going to
• 1:10:13
  do my top, my speech that we do when we go out of a show.
• 1:10:16
  He'll play the music and he'll talk.
• 1:10:20
  He might sing because he actually knows this one.
• 1:10:23
  Yeah, maybe it doesn't work. It doesn't work though on a
• 1:10:26
  podcast, man. Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  It doesn't work across the Internet.
• 1:10:29
  It's like, I won't do karaoke either, you know, people like,
• 1:10:31
  why won't you do karaoke? Because you're singing too this.
• 1:10:34
  You're not, you know, and it's, it's, it's everything's
• 1:10:37
  different live. Everything's faster live.
• 1:10:39
  You feel the music live. You don't really feel the music
• 1:10:43
  on, you know, 2000 miles Away, although it is a good song.
• 1:10:47
  You've known heavy string, Mike. Come on, Mike.
• 1:10:50
  This is one of our songs that he wrote.
• 1:10:52
  Yeah, no, I like it. I like the chord.
• 1:10:54
  So as always, if you're feeling, if you're feeling sad or
• 1:10:57
  suicidal, depressed, don't do it.
• 1:10:58
  You know, go scream in a pillow, go journal, go for a run, go
• 1:11:01
  workout, go find somebody to talk to.
• 1:11:03
  If you can't find somebody to talk to, you can text 988.
• 1:11:06
  Somebody's there standing by waiting to help you deal with
• 1:11:09
  what you're dealing with. You don't want to be the person
• 1:11:11
  that doesn't wake up tomorrow because somebody does love you.
• 1:11:13
  Somebody will miss you and you will leave a hole in that
• 1:11:15
  person's heart. And it's a, it's a hole that's
• 1:11:18
  hard to fill because they're going to always question why you
• 1:11:21
  did what you did and why you didn't reach out for help.
• 1:11:23
  So don't be that person because we want you here.
• 1:11:27
  The world's a better place with you in it.
• 1:11:28
  So remember that. He's done Warnock, Super cool
• 1:11:31
  guy from Kansas City. We met long time ago.
• 1:11:33
  It's got to be, it's got to be, it's got to be 1012 years
• 1:11:36
  something now. Yeah, it's been a while, man.
• 1:11:42
  Yeah, he's Mike Michaels. He and I met at the Candle Box
• 1:11:44
  show back in the early 90s. And our lifestyle, our, our
• 1:11:48
  lives were forever changed. Speaking of Candle Box Monkey
• 1:11:52
  House, Monkey House Guitars built a guitar for Peter Clutt
• 1:11:55
  of Candle Box. Peter, we're still waiting for
• 1:11:56
  you to come on the show, you know, so Sammy Hagar.
• 1:11:59
  I have messaged it a couple of times.
• 1:12:01
  Come on Sammy, come, come talk to us.
• 1:12:03
  You know you liked Sammy's family.
• 1:12:05
  Sammy's family all chimed into my post.
• 1:12:07
  I liked it and I'm like OK Sammy where are you like come on, you
• 1:12:10
  can come back on. We get Sammy.
• 1:12:12
  I got a free hour. I'm going to be getting a hold
• 1:12:15
  of Mike pretty soon because I pretty much got the idea for the
• 1:12:18
  guitar in my head. I would like to get Mike and
• 1:12:21
  Peter on here together. Agreed.
• 1:12:23
  That'd be incredible. And I know, I know he wants to
• 1:12:26
  do that too. So yeah, let's hope that that
• 1:12:28
  happens because that would be amazing to hear his reaction
• 1:12:31
  while Mike's here. You know why he loves that
• 1:12:34
  guitar so much? And I'm not so sure that Mike
• 1:12:39
  isn't a little bit responsible for his love of Candle Box's
• 1:12:43
  music again. And they just announced that
• 1:12:46
  they're not going on a farewell tour.
• 1:12:48
  They're. Actually, I don't know.
• 1:12:49
  I saw that, Mike. That's so.
• 1:12:51
  Cool man, because I saw a farewell tour not.
• 1:12:55
  But but I see. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
• 1:12:57
  Sorry. But to be Mike Thompson of
• 1:13:00
  Monkey House and be in the middle of all that, I mean, even
• 1:13:03
  if it's a 10th of 1% of, you know, getting him back in that
• 1:13:07
  direction, that's so cool to be a part of that.
• 1:13:09
  Yeah, yeah, right. Now we're now we're a part of
• 1:13:12
  that as well. Right, I saw that towards
• 1:13:14
  always. They put the customers back in
• 1:13:18
  if you it's for you. Yeah, it's for.
• 1:13:20
  Yeah, Yeah. The radio edit sucks.
• 1:13:26
  The radio edit does suck. That's why I listen to Sirius
• 1:13:28
  Satellite and that's why I bought my.
• 1:13:29
  Own. Yeah.
• 1:13:31
  Yeah, yeah. But I saw Nikki and I saw that
• 1:13:33
  tour with Three Doors Down opening, which, you know, Brad,
• 1:13:37
  Brad Arnold, God bless him. I don't think he's turning
• 1:13:39
  around very quickly. I know.
• 1:13:41
  Did it, Brad. That's so.
• 1:13:42
  Sad man it is because he's such a he's such a nice.
• 1:13:45
  He comes across as somebody comes as we were talking about
• 1:13:48
  earlier. He comes across as somebody
• 1:13:49
  who's very approachable, who's very genuine, who would actually
• 1:13:53
  would would care that you acknowledged and he would
• 1:13:56
  probably be a little. Embarrassed if you have him,
• 1:13:57
  dude. Probably.
• 1:13:59
  Probably because he's just seems like that nice of a guy.
• 1:14:02
  So say a prayer for Brad Arnold, for those of you that pray
• 1:14:04
  because he's struggling with stage 4 cancer and some of the
• 1:14:08
  songs really hard now that he's written because they reference,
• 1:14:12
  you know, love me when I'm gone. But stay around.
• 1:14:16
  Stay around. Brad.
• 1:14:16
  You're you're a good human. We need good humans like you and
• 1:14:19
  the planet. You guys got anything else?
• 1:14:26
  Anything else? Where?
• 1:14:26
  Where's my breakfast? I don't know.
• 1:14:28
  I eat my breakfast. It's in your belly.
• 1:14:31
  You know, it's funny, dude. The reason why I sent you the
• 1:14:33
  banner is because you've always asked me to send you In and Out
• 1:14:36
  Burger and I could never figure out how to send you In and Out
• 1:14:38
  Burger. Yeah, now it'd be rotten.
• 1:14:40
  And then I and then I saw that banner on Marketplace and I'm
• 1:14:43
  like, you did great. And I would have loved, I would
• 1:14:45
  have loved to have been there when you opened it up because
• 1:14:47
  I'm sure you had no fucking clue what you're getting.
• 1:14:49
  No, none. That would have been the
• 1:14:52
  greatest thing ever. I should have text you hey when
• 1:14:54
  you get this package have have your wife fill me opening it
• 1:14:57
  'cause then it would have been it would.
• 1:14:58
  Have been yeah, I could have, man.
• 1:15:00
  Yeah, we. Did we did one year when Jake
• 1:15:02
  came home for Christmas, he wasn't supposed to come home.
• 1:15:04
  And he came home and I actually, I I told him not to tell Nikki.
• 1:15:08
  So I actually snuck him in the house to the garage service
• 1:15:10
  door. And I filmed the whole thing.
• 1:15:12
  And when, when he turned the corner and and she turned and
• 1:15:15
  looked and see, I mean, it was it was epic.
• 1:15:17
  It's like those. Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  It's like those cheesy commercials you see on TV when
• 1:15:22
  somebody comes home. No, that's that's a mob 11 or
• 1:15:24
  son. Yeah, well, it's, he's mama's
• 1:15:26
  boy. Sorry son, but your mama's boy.
• 1:15:28
  No, it's all good. Me too.
• 1:15:30
  Yeah, I'm not. We won't go there.
• 1:15:33
  Love you guys both. Have a great day.
• 1:15:35
  All right, You know, stay warm. Don.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to probably go
• 1:15:42
  outside, take a. 28 here today. Language D baby.
• 1:15:45
  Language D Yeah, I'm. Going to go outside and, and you
• 1:15:48
  know, just take off my shirt and do some yard work because it's,
• 1:15:50
  it's everything. Go golfing.
• 1:15:55
  Have a great day fellas. Thank you guys for the people,
• 1:15:58
  nothing but love man. Thank you for your time Don
• 1:16:00
  appreciate. You, you guys are very welcome,
• 1:16:02
  Donners.