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Steve Price | 14 March · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: If this is Steve.
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Speaker 2: Price, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Caleb
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Speaker 2: Bond filling in for Steve Price. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: to stand up to Donald Trump. Amid fears the agricultural
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Speaker 2: industry could soon be hit by tariffs. The prospect of
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Speaker 2: a Ukraine ceasefire is on shaky ground as Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 2: calls for major changes to the deal and the energy
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Speaker 2: wars heat up with Peter Dutton vowing to add more
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Speaker 2: gas to the mix, while Chris Bowen holds onto his
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Speaker 2: renewables dream despite looming power bill hikes. Now you may
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Speaker 2: not be aware, but tomorrow is the International Day to
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Speaker 2: Combat Islamophobia.
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Speaker 3: And the reason for that is probably.
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Speaker 2: Because Islamophobia right now isn't that much of a problem.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I'd argue that Islamophobia as a concept shouldn't exist.
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Speaker 2: Now that's not to say that discrimination against Muslims doesn't exist,
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Speaker 2: but I'll come back to that in a moment. In
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Speaker 2: the past seventeen months or so, since Islamist Hamas terrorist
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Speaker 2: attacked Israel on October seventh, we've heard a lot about
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism, of course, but also quote unquote Islamophobia. Often
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Speaker 2: in the same breath, as though those the increase in
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Speaker 2: those incidents of hatred is somehow equal.
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Speaker 4: I condemn totally any form of anti Semitism, including including
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Speaker 4: the comments by my local member, the member for Newtown,
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Speaker 4: whose comments about tentacles with regard to the Jewish community
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Speaker 4: I find offensive. I find it had its origins in
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Speaker 4: anti Semitism, and I condemn it unequivocally, just as I
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Speaker 4: condemn forms of that I have seen Islamophobic comments and behavior.
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Speaker 2: As he can't mention one without mentioning the other, never
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Speaker 2: mind the fact that what precipitated all of this was
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Speaker 2: an Islamist terror group attacking the Jewish homeland, and it
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Speaker 2: was the same when he announced a special envoy for
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism, Well, we had to have a special envoy
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Speaker 2: for Islamophobia too, again, as though the increase in anti
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Speaker 2: Jewish and anti Muslim hatred was somehow equal, and that
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Speaker 2: special envoy, A F. Tab Malik, has since complained that
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Speaker 2: we shouldn't ignore the threat to Muslim's quote simply because
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Speaker 2: we haven't seen mosques torched or cars vandalized. I would
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Speaker 2: have thought mister Malick would be grateful for that, rather
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Speaker 2: than complaining, but there you are. It makes it sound
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Speaker 2: as though his issue is that there's not enough Islamophobia
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Speaker 2: going around. Now. There are only two religions for which
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Speaker 2: we ascribe a specific term to describe bigotry and discrimination
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Speaker 2: against them, Judaism, anti Semitism, and Islam Islamophobia. And this
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Speaker 2: is why I make the argument that Islamophobia as a
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Speaker 2: concept shouldn't exist. Anti Semitism is a very distinct type
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Speaker 2: of bigotry because it's not just religious, it's ethno religious.
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Speaker 2: It's not just about the doctrines and values of Judaism,
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Speaker 2: it's about the distinct race of Jewish people. Most anti
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Speaker 2: Semites aren't particularly worried about beliefs. They're worried about race.
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Speaker 2: It is, in most cases a form of racism. But
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Speaker 2: Islam isn't a race. It's purely a religion that you
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Speaker 2: can choose or choose.
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Speaker 3: Not to belong to.
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Speaker 2: It's no more a race than Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism.
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Speaker 2: But you never hear of Christophobia or hindu phobia, or
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Speaker 2: seker phobia or buddhist phobia.
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Speaker 3: Do you The four.
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Speaker 2: Biggest religions in the world, in order are Christianity, Islam, Hinduism,
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Speaker 2: and Buddhism, and yet only one of them has a
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Speaker 2: specific word to describe discrimination against its adherents.
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Speaker 3: Why.
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Speaker 2: Philosopher and euroscientist Sam Harris has discussed this before in
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Speaker 2: his podcast Making Sense.
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Speaker 5: People criticize Christianity all the time and worry about its
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Speaker 5: political and social influences, but no one confuses this for
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Speaker 5: bigotry against Christians as people. There's no such thing as Christophobia.
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Speaker 5: If you criticize Christianity, and I have written an entire
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Speaker 5: book excoriating Christianity, no one accuses you of being a
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Speaker 5: racist against people from Brazil or Mexico, or Ethiopia or
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Speaker 5: the Philippines. But even the New York Times will use
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Speaker 5: the term Islamophobia as a synonym for racism against Arabs.
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Speaker 5: This is pure delusion and propaganda. There are Christian Arabs,
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Speaker 5: and I could become a Muslim in five minutes just
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Speaker 5: by converting to the faith.
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Speaker 3: He's right.
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Speaker 2: That perfectly describes why the concept of Islamophobia is nonsense.
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Speaker 2: I would argue that the purpose of the co concept
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Speaker 2: of Islamophobia is to run cover for the religion against
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Speaker 2: legitimate criticism.
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Speaker 3: There's no other reason.
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Speaker 2: That one religion would require a specific term to describe
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Speaker 2: a llegied discrimination, and they do this by linking the
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Speaker 2: idea of Islamophobia to racism. The two terms have somehow
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Speaker 2: almost become intertwined, but they're not related at all. Islam
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Speaker 2: is not a race, It's a religion, and every part
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Speaker 2: of that religion should and must be up for debate.
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Speaker 2: But of course by linking it to racism, it becomes
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Speaker 2: taboo to criticize Islam because we all agree that racism
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Speaker 2: is bad. So if you make it that criticizing Islam
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Speaker 2: puts you in a special bag of Islamophobia and that
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Speaker 2: is somehow tinged by racism, then people start calling you
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Speaker 2: a racist and hopefully you pipe down. That's what they
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Speaker 2: want anyway. Green Senator Marine Feruki, she's a Muslim woman,
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Speaker 2: did exactly this in a letter to the Prime Minister today.
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Speaker 2: She wrote, as one of the many Muslims living in
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Speaker 2: this country, I am hurt and exasperated by the glaring
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Speaker 2: double standards used when it comes to calling out and
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Speaker 2: dealing with Islamophobia. We are feeling really let down by
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Speaker 2: the Labor government. On this International Day to Combat Islamophobia,
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Speaker 2: I urge the government to drop the one sided approach
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Speaker 2: to racism, unequivocally acknowledge and tackle the breadth and depth
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Speaker 2: of rising Islamophobia, and loudly reject political narratives that fuel fear,
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Speaker 2: blame and hatred against Muslims.
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Speaker 3: What double standards?
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Speaker 2: Presumably she means you've talked too much about anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: and not enough about Islamophobia. But as I said before,
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism is intrinsically linked to racism. So called Islamophobia
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Speaker 2: is not. Doesn't matter how hard you try, it will
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Speaker 2: never be racism. The idea of Islamophobia is such a
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Speaker 2: joke that the Starmer government in the UK has set
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Speaker 2: up a working group to.
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Speaker 3: Try to define what it is.
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Speaker 2: And how hard can it be to define, unless, of
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Speaker 2: course it's a special way to include special things in
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Speaker 2: the umbrella of hatred, because of course we already have
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Speaker 2: things like racism and discrimination and bigotry to describe forms
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Speaker 2: of hate. Let me be clear, discrimination against Muslim people
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Speaker 2: does exist, Persecution of Muslim people does exist, Hatred of
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Speaker 2: Muslim people does exist, but that doesn't put it in
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Speaker 2: a special category, and it doesn't make it unique. There
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Speaker 2: is discrimination and persecution and hatred of people of all
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Speaker 2: religions across the world. For everyone else, we call that bigotry.
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Speaker 2: For Muslims, for some reason, we call that Islamophobia. Now,
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Speaker 2: the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims came up
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Speaker 2: with a definition for Islamophobia in twenty eighteen. They decided
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Speaker 2: that Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type
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Speaker 2: of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived muslimness.
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Speaker 2: There it is again racism, and what exactly is Muslimness?
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Speaker 2: I cannot say this anymore clearly. The purpose of the
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Speaker 2: concept of Islamophobia is to stop criticism of the religion
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Speaker 2: of Islam. And why would just one religion, the second
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Speaker 2: biggest in the world, need a special term to protect
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Speaker 2: it from criticism. Perhaps because there's only one religion that
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Speaker 2: people feel physically unsafe to criticize or mock. You can
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Speaker 2: openly mock Christianity Monty Python, the Book of Mormon, one
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Speaker 2: of the most successful musicals of all time. You can
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Speaker 2: even immerse a plastic crucifix in a glass of urine,
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Speaker 2: take a photo and win an award, and you'll never
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Speaker 2: fear for your safety. That was nineteen eighty four that happened.
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Speaker 2: But when the French magazine Charlie Hebdo published a cartoon
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Speaker 2: of Muhammad, well, twelve people were killed. There's no other
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Speaker 2: religion in the world that its adherents are so afraid
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Speaker 2: to leave. Ten countries in the world were apostasy. Leaving
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Speaker 2: the religion is punishable by death. They are Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Malaysia,
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Speaker 2: the Maldives, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates
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Speaker 2: and Yemen.
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Speaker 3: All of them are Muslim.
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Speaker 2: There are seven countries where homosexuality is punishable by death Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria,
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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Uganda. All of them except for Uganda,
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Speaker 2: are Muslim. There are more places in the world Muslim
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Speaker 2: countries where the law is unclear.
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Speaker 3: And I could go on with these examples.
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Speaker 2: And that, of course is not to say that all
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Speaker 2: Muslims agree with that. But that's the problem with Islamophobia,
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Speaker 2: the very real persecution of individual Muslims, often perpetrated by
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Speaker 2: their own Muslim brothers. It should be noted with warring
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Speaker 2: factions is lumped into the same category as calling out
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Speaker 2: the repugnant stuff I mentioned before. Yes, we should all
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Speaker 2: all stand up against discrimination and hatred of other human beings,
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Speaker 2: but religions, ideologies, ideas should all be fair game for
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Speaker 2: discussion and challenge and sometimes ridicule. Islam does not deserve
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Speaker 2: special treatment. We'll Former Labor Minister Bill Shorten No, he's
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Speaker 2: off earning a pretty penny as Vice chance of Canberra
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Speaker 2: University these days, but he's called on the government to
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Speaker 2: fight back against Donald Trump's tariffs at the same time
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Speaker 2: as the Opposition has been accusing the Prime Minister of
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Speaker 2: selling out Australian steel makers. Now the Government's ruled out
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Speaker 2: retaliatory tariffs, but mister Shorton thinks that every option should
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Speaker 2: be on the table.
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Speaker 6: At some point, We'll have to send a message to
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Speaker 6: mister Trump. This is what I'm hearing from people on
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Speaker 6: the street that if you do something to us, we'll
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Speaker 6: do it back to you. We cannot be pushed around
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Speaker 6: the end of the day. If they keep putting tariffs
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Speaker 6: on all of our goods, then we've got to reciprocate
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Speaker 6: dollar for dollar, tariff for tariff.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this and more. Where is
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Speaker 2: former Queensland Premier Campbell, Newman Campbell, thank you for joining me.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of what Shorten has had to say?
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Speaker 2: He is it correct that we should go eye for
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Speaker 2: and I like for like on this stuff?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think, Caleb, and thanks for having me. I
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Speaker 7: think we're going to have to soon because whilst I'm
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Speaker 7: one of the people who was pleased to see Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump elected as president because I see him as sweeping
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Speaker 7: away a whole lot of the wipe nonsense, I don't
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Speaker 7: particularly like the way he's carried on in the past,
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Speaker 7: and particularly the last two weeks have absolutely dismayed me.
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Speaker 7: I think we got to We're going to get to
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Speaker 7: a point where we have to take the US on
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Speaker 7: and I think we've got to be very careful about
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Speaker 7: how we do it, obviously, but it's about how do
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Speaker 7: we apply political pressure on Donald Trump from his own people.
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Speaker 7: So onto, I met American companies that are exporting to
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Speaker 7: this country, the most critical ones, important ones. They're the
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Speaker 7: ones that we need to think about and actually make
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Speaker 7: the overtures that we will do stuff that won't be
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Speaker 7: in their interests. Look, the bottom line is, we value
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Speaker 7: the relationship with the United States, we shouldn't do anything
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Speaker 7: sort of that will ultimately compromise that. But we do
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Speaker 7: have to stand up, and we can't just sort of plead.
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Speaker 7: We can't just sort of throw ourselves on the floor
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Speaker 7: and say, oh please, please, President Trump, don't hurt us anymore.
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Speaker 7: That's not going to get us anywhere. And we do
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Speaker 7: have this situation where they've got a massive trade surplus
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Speaker 7: with US, and that seems to be of no interest
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Speaker 7: to them. I'm afraid we have to send a few
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Speaker 7: signals of our own. So I'm agreeing with Bill.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Bill is probably right.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it would seem that Trump doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to take the phone calls of the Prime Minister or
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Speaker 2: Kevin Raud. This probably obvious reasons for that, But why
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Speaker 2: would you not play the same game. If they're going
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Speaker 2: to do it to why would we not do it
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Speaker 2: to them. I think it's almost sending a message of
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Speaker 2: weakness to say, well, you can slap any tariff you
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Speaker 2: want on us, and we're not going to do the
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Speaker 2: same to you. Why should they deserve any special treatment.
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Speaker 2: Trump hasn't given any special treatment to anyone in this
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Speaker 2: He said that he put tariffs on everyone, and that's
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Speaker 2: exactly what he's done.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 7: The trouble is, of course, though, that it's like that
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Speaker 7: old sort of nuclear war cold war thing about mutually
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Speaker 7: assured destruction. I mean, slapping on tariffs on US imports
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Speaker 7: into Australia will obviously increase our cost of living, and
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Speaker 7: that's the last thing we want. But of course that's
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Speaker 7: exactly what he's doing to his own citizens. For example,
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Speaker 7: on beef exports from Australia into the States. That is
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Speaker 7: going to hurt every day Americans, because I make no mistake,
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Speaker 7: and I was talking to my wife about it the
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Speaker 7: other day. I mean, she's not an economist, but I
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Speaker 7: tell you what Lisa was onto it straight away. Any
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Speaker 7: of these things, aluminium, steel, beef, the US producers will
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Speaker 7: fake faith, thank you very much, mister President. The price
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Speaker 7: is going up to just below what the cost of
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Speaker 7: the product from Australia is going to be. I mean,
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Speaker 7: that's why tariffs fundamentally are a bad thing to have
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Speaker 7: in place, and free trade has benefited us all. I'm
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Speaker 7: a great fan of free trade, and I'm very dismayed
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Speaker 7: to see where the world's going at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And that'll be the big problem. The cost to the consumer,
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Speaker 2: of course, happen your neck of the woods, Campbell. There
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Speaker 2: was this ridiculous story during the week that Queensland's disaster
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Speaker 2: management boss Alistair Dawson went on leave and bug it
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Speaker 2: off over seas on Sunday, when, of course Southeast Queensland
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Speaker 2: was dealing with flooding and roofs were blowing away, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: What on earth was he thinking. I mean, he's got
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Speaker 2: one job. He was employed by the Palache government with
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Speaker 2: one job, which is to manage natural disasters.
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Speaker 3: There is a natural disaster and he takes off.
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Speaker 2: I mean, why didn't the Emergency Services Minister say, excuse
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Speaker 2: use me, mate, you're not having your leave.
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Speaker 7: Minister Dan Purdy should not have allowed this to occurred,
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Speaker 7: shouldn't have approved it. I've been disappointed that the Christ
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Speaker 7: of Fawley government of sort of closed ranks this week
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Speaker 7: to excuse the unexcusable, the inexcusable. I should say, look,
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Speaker 7: that's what mister Dawson's paid to do.
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Speaker 1: That's why his place is. No one in.
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Speaker 7: A leadership role directly in an emergency like that should
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Speaker 7: be disappearing. We wouldn't have accepted it from the Prime
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Speaker 7: Minister or a premier or a minister, Why should a
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Speaker 7: senior public servant in that role be any different. It's
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Speaker 7: just not on and the words public servant has to
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Speaker 7: mean something. Mister Dawson should be serving the people of
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Speaker 7: Queensland commensurate with his very generous remuneration.
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Speaker 2: Exactly more than three hundred K. You'd think for that
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Speaker 2: sort of money you can hang around and do your
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Speaker 2: job when you're actually needed. Now, The Daily Telegraph had
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Speaker 2: an exclusive today that police believe the mastermind behind that
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Speaker 2: fabricated caravan terra plot is a Sydney businessman. His name
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Speaker 2: say itt irhan Akka.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: He allegedly fled the country a couple of years ago
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Speaker 2: while he was on bail for allegedly importing six hundred
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Speaker 2: kilos worth of drugs. Police sources have said that the
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Speaker 2: idea he would have been to offer info to the
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Speaker 2: cops on this bogus thing in the hopes that they
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Speaker 2: treat him a bit better in court.
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Speaker 3: And get some leniency.
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Speaker 2: Now, of course we're all happy that this was never
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Speaker 2: actually going to be a mass casualty of ent as
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Speaker 2: Chrismins was originally talking about. But I don't think we
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Speaker 2: can excuse it and say that anti Semitism isn't a
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Speaker 2: problem because the Australian have uncovered some old social media
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Speaker 2: posts from this bloke in which he said that Hitler
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Speaker 2: was only washing the earth. They made him out to
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Speaker 2: be evil, he commented Zighil on another post. So even
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Speaker 2: if he didn't intend to kill anyone, if indeed this
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Speaker 2: is their man, terror has still been instilled in Jewish people,
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Speaker 2: and it's allegedly been done by someone.
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Speaker 3: The history of anti Semitic comments.
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Speaker 7: Well, the things that have happened, particularly in Sydney have
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Speaker 7: totally alarmed, of course, the Jewish community. They've got every
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Speaker 7: right to be quite outraged about the way that our
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Speaker 7: society now has sort of presented itself to them. They
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Speaker 7: do feel unsafe, they feel very much under siege. But
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Speaker 7: in a way I take heart from this in a
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Speaker 7: little to a certain extent. And perhaps there'll be people
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Speaker 7: about the shout at the TV screen, But this just
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Speaker 7: if this is true, if this allegation is true, it
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Speaker 7: just shows that it shows the very corrosive and negative
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Speaker 7: impact of one individual.
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Speaker 3: If it's true.
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Speaker 7: Now, you know, in a way, if you flip that round,
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Speaker 7: perhaps that should give us a bit more confidence as
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Speaker 7: a nation that you know, it may it may not
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Speaker 7: be as widespread. Yes, there are people who are willing
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Speaker 7: to be the willing pawns of this alleged plot. One
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Speaker 7: person can make a positive difference in this world, but similarly,
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Speaker 7: one person can make a very negative impact in this
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Speaker 7: world as well, and perhaps at times we should we
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Speaker 7: should lose sight of that. Now having said that, we
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Speaker 7: should be doing everything we can right now to ensure
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Speaker 7: that we put this whole evil sort of sentiment back
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Speaker 7: in its box where it belongs, and we sort of
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Speaker 7: totally dismiss that. As Australians. We carry forward and try
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Speaker 7: and rebuild the relationships between communities, of course, and have
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Speaker 7: a commitment to a harmonious society. That's what this country
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Speaker 7: is all about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I take your point. I think the
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Speaker 2: bigger problem, you know, even if it's been caused by
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Speaker 2: one person, is probably that that's in bold and other
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Speaker 2: people to feel like they can say things that they shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry we've run out of time, Campbell, but thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for joining me. As always, not to
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Speaker 2: trigger your PDS, but I'm sure you heard yesterday that
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Speaker 2: power bills we're going to go up by as much
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Speaker 2: as nine percent from July.
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Speaker 3: It's just extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is still trying to defend Labour's renewable agenda.
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Speaker 3: Now he would have.
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Speaker 2: Heard him say yesterday that this was actually Cole's fault.
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Speaker 2: I explained last night what load of crap that was.
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Speaker 2: But he might want to read the regulator's reasonings for
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Speaker 2: this price hike. They've said that one of the factors
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Speaker 2: behind its decision to approve the increase was low solar
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Speaker 2: and wind output that drove high price events.
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Speaker 3: Bowen is just on another planet.
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Speaker 2: But we can talk till the cows come home about
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Speaker 2: everything that's been done wrong. What are we going to
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Speaker 2: do to fix it? Well, Peter Datton said today he'd
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Speaker 2: ramp up gas suppliers if the Coalition wins the election.
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Speaker 8: We have a balanced energy policy which will bring more
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Speaker 8: gas into the system and that helps with electricity generation.
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Speaker 8: It means that we can bring prices down and it
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Speaker 8: means that we can move away from Labour's blackouts, which
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Speaker 8: now are a certainty in the system as well.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is The Australian's Environment editor Graham. Lloyd Graham.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you would, as Dutton says, bringing more
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Speaker 2: gas into the market help fix this problem.
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Speaker 9: Well, certainly to the extent that a shortage of gas
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Speaker 9: in the market is lifting prices, that would be the case.
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Speaker 9: What we're seeing is that there's a growing need for
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Speaker 9: fuel to cover maximum electricity demand at times when solar
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Speaker 9: and wind can't produce it, and the market's getting out
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Speaker 9: of whack because that replacement gas is very expensive and
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Speaker 9: in short supply. So the obvious solution is to increase
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Speaker 9: supply and hopefully bring the price of doing that down.
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Speaker 2: It seems a pretty simple concept, doesn't I you wrote
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Speaker 2: in your column in the Odds today and that Bowen's
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Speaker 2: energy plan was the definition of insanity. I don't think
20:54
Speaker 2: you're too far off the mark. I mean, what do
20:56
Speaker 2: you think I was talking about this last time. What
20:58
Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen when you subsidized
21:01
Speaker 2: renewable energy up the wazoo and then all the major
21:05
Speaker 2: energy companies are spending all their money over there, But
21:08
Speaker 2: we can't keep up with the coal power and other
21:10
Speaker 2: fossil fuel power that we're taking offline. I mean, it's
21:13
Speaker 2: simple market economics. If you don't have enough supply, prices
21:17
Speaker 2: go up.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, we've actually designed a system that mandates that
21:24
Speaker 9: coal will exit, so no incentive to invest in that,
21:28
Speaker 9: and we're finding out that we're actually still very reliant
21:34
Speaker 9: on that. And the way we hoped the market would
21:38
Speaker 9: operate in terms of getting a lot of renewable energy
21:41
Speaker 9: in there would all be available, it would always be
21:44
Speaker 9: available somewhere isn't quite as simple in practice as it
21:48
Speaker 9: was on paper. This is borne out in the Energy
21:51
Speaker 9: Market Report, which says high price episodes resulted from effectively
21:59
Speaker 9: wind dropt and solar droughts as they have in other
22:02
Speaker 9: parts of the world, and that's now being factored into
22:05
Speaker 9: the sort of contract prices rather than the spot price.
22:09
Speaker 9: So this is being baked into the system into the
22:11
Speaker 9: future and it all points to enduring higher prices.
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Speaker 3: Well, isn't that great.
22:17
Speaker 2: While we've been talking about all of this, Coal Australia
22:20
Speaker 2: is claiming now that the CSIRO's costings that the government
22:25
Speaker 2: have been using about coal are wrong. They're starting analysis
22:30
Speaker 2: by ARC Energy that argues that the levelized cost for
22:34
Speaker 2: new coal fired plants is fifty to seventy dollars a megawatt,
22:37
Speaker 2: which is much cheaper than what the CSIRO is saying
22:40
Speaker 2: in their gen cost report, which is one hundred and
22:42
Speaker 2: two to one hundred and sixty four dollars a megawatt.
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Speaker 9: Who's right here, Well, very hard to say who's right,
22:51
Speaker 9: but I think what you can say is that other
22:54
Speaker 9: places are voting with their wallets and they're still investig
22:58
Speaker 9: in coal because it represents you for money over a
23:01
Speaker 9: longer term. The structural problems facing the coal power generation
23:06
Speaker 9: industry here, though, are not really about what CSIO thinks
23:11
Speaker 9: the cost will be that there's an ideological set against
23:16
Speaker 9: coal that has to be overcome if they're to have
23:19
Speaker 9: a long term place in the market, and it's going
23:22
Speaker 9: to take quite a disruption to people to face up
23:25
Speaker 9: to that fact. In the meantime, what we have is
23:30
Speaker 9: the solution being put forward by Peter Dunn and acknowledged
23:33
Speaker 9: by the government that gas is going to be that
23:35
Speaker 9: transitional fuel, even though baseload coal on balance would probably
23:41
Speaker 9: be a lot cheaper.
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Speaker 2: Just ridiculous, isn't it that we're in this position here,
23:46
Speaker 2: our first world country, rich in resources, and we have
23:49
Speaker 2: some of the most expensive energy in the world. Graham Lloyd,
23:52
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me. As I noted
23:55
Speaker 2: last night, as Peter Malinowska said last year. The fact
23:58
Speaker 2: that we export all of this, we're not using it ourselves,
24:01
Speaker 2: and we pay more for the energy than the stuff
24:03
Speaker 2: we're selling to people overseas just crazy. After the break,
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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin calls for significant changes to the US proposal
24:10
Speaker 2: for a ceasefire with Ukraine, but Donald Trump remains confident a.
24:13
Speaker 3: Deal will be reached.
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Speaker 2: Plus labour of ours to protect Australia's agricultural industry despite
24:18
Speaker 2: failing to secure an exemption from Trump steel and aluminum tariffs,
24:22
Speaker 2: Let's hope they have some more success this time.
24:24
Speaker 3: Don't go away.
24:29
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of doom and gloom around this week,
24:31
Speaker 2: so I thought i'd share three things I've liked this week.
24:34
Speaker 3: The first is Dolly.
24:35
Speaker 2: Parton's new song for a husband, Carl Dean, who died
24:38
Speaker 2: earlier this month.
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Speaker 10: Whoam would I be?
24:44
Speaker 2: You know?
24:46
Speaker 8: See the mess?
24:51
Speaker 3: Isn't it just gorgeous? If you hadn't been there?
24:53
Speaker 2: Where would I be without your trust, love and belief,
24:56
Speaker 2: the ups and downs we've always shared. And I wouldn't
24:59
Speaker 2: be here if you hadn't been there. I first heard
25:01
Speaker 2: it on the train this morning. Actually, I nearly sheded
25:04
Speaker 2: a little tear on the train, had to put myself together.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
25:07
Speaker 2: She still got it at seventy nine, doesn't she. The
25:09
Speaker 2: second thing is the Royal Australian Mint commemorating Australian poet
25:13
Speaker 2: Dorothea mckella with a new set of fifty cent coins.
25:16
Speaker 2: She of course wrote My Country, though I suspect a
25:19
Speaker 2: lot of kids wouldn't know that poem because as far
25:21
Speaker 2: as I know, it's not taught in schools. It certainly
25:24
Speaker 2: wasn't when I was at school.
25:25
Speaker 3: A little while ago.
25:26
Speaker 2: But we should do more to celebrate our literary artists,
25:29
Speaker 2: especially those who celebrate our great country. And the third
25:33
Speaker 2: is these idiots from extinction rebellion who rocked up out
25:36
Speaker 2: the front of the Santos Building in Adelaide this morning
25:38
Speaker 2: to protest and carry on. One glued herself to the
25:42
Speaker 2: cafe in the building, and the others dumped sand out
25:45
Speaker 2: the front for some reason or another. But the best
25:47
Speaker 2: bit is that the cops made them clean up their mess.
25:51
Speaker 2: If only that happened a little more often.
25:57
Speaker 3: Well.
25:57
Speaker 2: A lot of people were quick to criticize Trump's bat
26:00
Speaker 2: with thought of mire Zelenski, But we're much closer to
26:02
Speaker 2: peace now than we were a couple of weeks ago.
26:04
Speaker 2: It has to be said they've kissed and made up.
26:06
Speaker 2: The US is sending military aid and intelligence again, and
26:10
Speaker 2: Zelensky has now agreed to a cease fire. But the
26:13
Speaker 2: flying the ointment now is Vladimir Putin. He's rejected the
26:17
Speaker 2: initial terms of the thirty day ceasefire proposed by the
26:20
Speaker 2: United States because he wants the West to agree to
26:23
Speaker 2: stop providing arms to Kiev before he'll consider a deal.
26:27
Speaker 2: President Trump seems confident, however, that Russia will come around.
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Speaker 7: I hope Russia's gonna make the deal do and I
26:36
Speaker 7: think once that deal happens, you're never going to be
26:39
Speaker 7: in a process.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going back to shooting again.
26:43
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Australian Strategic Policy Institute senior analyst
26:47
Speaker 2: Malcolm Davis. Malcolm, good to see you. What do you
26:50
Speaker 2: think is going to happen here? Of course we had
26:52
Speaker 2: yesterday Trump threatening to take action, certainly economic action against
26:58
Speaker 2: Russia if they don't.
26:59
Speaker 3: Agree to a cease fire. How is this going to
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Speaker 3: play out?
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Speaker 11: Well, certainly not peace. I think that what you're seeing
27:07
Speaker 11: is Putin throwing the ceasefire deal back in Trump's face.
27:12
Speaker 11: He's essentially saying, we refuse to accept a thirty day
27:15
Speaker 11: cease fire because that would just give Ukraine time to
27:18
Speaker 11: reposition its forces and re arm. So he's indicating that no,
27:25
Speaker 11: Russia wants a so called agreement to end the war
27:29
Speaker 11: which favors Russia, which basically gives Russia everything that it wants.
27:33
Speaker 11: And Putin is laying this out very clearly. He says
27:36
Speaker 11: he wants control of all the occupied territories that Russia controls,
27:41
Speaker 11: the Donbasapariza and Crimea and Hassan. He wants Ukraine to
27:49
Speaker 11: be denied the opportunity to have security guarantees or membership
27:55
Speaker 11: of NATO, and not even to be able to be
27:57
Speaker 11: armed after any cease fire, not even to have a
28:00
Speaker 11: military force, let alone Western peacekeepers inside Ukraine. So Putin
28:06
Speaker 11: is making a mockery of Trump's attempt to create peace.
28:10
Speaker 11: And it's really time for Trump to open his eyes
28:12
Speaker 11: and realize that he's being played for a fool by Putin.
28:17
Speaker 11: And he needs to wake up and realize that Putin
28:20
Speaker 11: is exploiting him.
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Speaker 2: What's the alternative? How do you achieve peace in this war?
28:27
Speaker 2: If you can't get Putin to come to the table
28:29
Speaker 2: for a ceasefire.
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Speaker 11: You can't have peace unless you guarantee that there's no
28:35
Speaker 11: future war. We learned that with Czechoslovakia in nineteen thirty
28:40
Speaker 11: eight when Chamberlain signed with Hitler the Munich Agreement that
28:46
Speaker 11: led to so called peace in our time, and that
28:49
Speaker 11: immediately served the seeds for a wider war. But Nazi
28:52
Speaker 11: Germany War, we're facing exactly the same situation here with
28:56
Speaker 11: Putin's Russia.
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Speaker 1: So in other words, what is needed to.
28:59
Speaker 11: Have an enduring, lasting peace is for very strong and
29:04
Speaker 11: very visible security guarantees to be given to Ukraine, and
29:08
Speaker 11: that really does mean bringing Ukraine into NATO as a
29:12
Speaker 11: full member protected under Article five. At the same time,
29:16
Speaker 11: Ukraine needs to be fully supported by the West in
29:19
Speaker 11: terms of military assistance and intelligence support so that they
29:23
Speaker 11: can hold their own on the battlefield and ultimately push
29:25
Speaker 11: the Russians back from the illegally annexed areas that they've taken.
29:30
Speaker 11: At that point, you get a situation where a fair
29:34
Speaker 11: and just peace agreement can be determined where Russia is
29:37
Speaker 11: no longer in a position to threaten either Ukraine or
29:40
Speaker 11: NATO directly.
29:42
Speaker 2: Of course, Putin's been very clear from the outset of
29:44
Speaker 2: this war that the membership of Ukraine in NATO is
29:49
Speaker 2: one of the major reasons this is all going on.
29:51
Speaker 2: He won't have He does not want Ukraine to be
29:54
Speaker 2: part of NATO. He perceives that as a threat to Russia.
29:57
Speaker 2: How do you get Russia over a barrel so that
30:00
Speaker 2: they would accept a deal in which Ukraine would be
30:03
Speaker 2: allowed into NATO.
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Speaker 11: Well, firstly, Russia should have no say in who joins NATO. Okay,
30:09
Speaker 11: let's make that very clear. Russia does not get a
30:12
Speaker 11: say or a veto over who joins NATO. So really
30:15
Speaker 11: it's up to NATO and Ukraine to decide that. And
30:18
Speaker 11: I think secondly, you have to practice to terrence. So
30:22
Speaker 11: that does mean Europe in particular, but also the United
30:24
Speaker 11: States has to step up and strongly positioned military forces
30:29
Speaker 11: sufficient to deter Russian aggression in the future, as I said,
30:32
Speaker 11: iver against Ukraine or against NATO directly. And what you're
30:36
Speaker 11: seeing in Europe now is a recognition that Putin's war
30:39
Speaker 11: against Ukraine is not just about Ukraine. Pertin sees Ukraine
30:43
Speaker 11: is merely one campaign in a wider war against the West,
30:47
Speaker 11: and that's why you've got Russian hybrid warfare attacks occurring
30:50
Speaker 11: directly against NATO. Even now, there's some suggestion that ship
30:54
Speaker 11: collision that occurred off the coast of northeast England could
30:58
Speaker 11: have been a hybrid warfare attack because the ship that
31:01
Speaker 11: collided with that US military tanker was crewed by Russians.
31:05
Speaker 11: So I do think we need to open our eyes
31:07
Speaker 11: recognize that Russia is determined to confront the West and
31:11
Speaker 11: we need to deter them. And part of that deterrence
31:13
Speaker 11: process is bringing Ukraine into NATO and fully supporting it.
31:17
Speaker 2: While we're talking about Donald Trump, let's just talk quickly
31:20
Speaker 2: about the tariff for obviously that the Alban Eazy government.
31:24
Speaker 2: They've now vowed to protect the nation's farmers and food
31:27
Speaker 2: producers from possible tariffs after failing to.
31:30
Speaker 3: Secure an exemption. He's the Prime minister.
31:35
Speaker 10: Our government had worked tirelessly to secure an exemption. But
31:39
Speaker 10: it didn't matter which country, which leader, or which minister
31:43
Speaker 10: was making their case. No one, absolutely no one secured
31:48
Speaker 10: an exemption. We will be unrelenting in making our case
31:52
Speaker 10: to the United States and working tirelessly for Australia. This
31:57
Speaker 10: is essentially true for Australia's agricult sector, including our beef.
32:03
Speaker 2: John Farrell, Malcolm that was not the Prime ministry. He
32:05
Speaker 2: probably wishes he was the Prime minister. And I actually
32:08
Speaker 2: don't think Farrell's are bad, like I do know him.
32:10
Speaker 1: But how much of a threat.
32:12
Speaker 2: Is this to our relationship with the United States.
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Speaker 11: Look, it's a bizarre policy because Trump seems to be
32:21
Speaker 11: determined to wage these tariff attacks on its allies, not
32:28
Speaker 11: on its adversaries. And I don't understand why, because all
32:31
Speaker 11: Trump is doing with these tariffs is not only weakening
32:35
Speaker 11: the US economy and undermining the opportunity for economic growth,
32:39
Speaker 11: driving up inflation, driving up the cost of living, everything
32:42
Speaker 11: that he said he wouldn't do it that he would solve,
32:45
Speaker 11: he's basically making it worse through these tariffs. But he's
32:48
Speaker 11: also weakening the economies of key US allies, and that's
32:53
Speaker 11: exactly the sort of thing that the US adversaries Russia, China, Iran,
32:58
Speaker 11: North Korea would want him to do. And so I
33:01
Speaker 11: don't understand the logic behind the tariffs. It suggests a
33:06
Speaker 11: basic lack of understanding of modern international trade practices on
33:10
Speaker 11: the part of Trump and the Trump administration.
33:13
Speaker 1: That this is happening.
33:14
Speaker 11: So I think what we need to do is work
33:17
Speaker 11: with our allies and partners in the Inner Pacific region
33:19
Speaker 11: and in Europe to try and talk Trump down from
33:22
Speaker 11: this no win situation and make you realize that tariffs
33:26
Speaker 11: are a bad move. And at the same time we
33:29
Speaker 11: need to build resilience into our own economies and societies
33:33
Speaker 11: by not necessarily being so dependent on trade with the
33:36
Speaker 11: United States and build up new markets in Asia and
33:40
Speaker 11: in Europe, not necessarily by strengths spending more in China,
33:44
Speaker 11: but by going with countries like Japan or South Korea.
33:47
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the lesson we learned when we
33:49
Speaker 2: had the trades back with China. Of course, Malcolm Davis,
33:52
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me.
33:53
Speaker 3: Great time.
33:53
Speaker 2: By the way, as well, after the break, shocking new
33:56
Speaker 2: figures reveal the lasting impact of COVID lockdowns on school students.
34:00
Speaker 2: Class Macknight with the next the week Sorry in Review.
34:03
Speaker 2: In cartoons don't Go Away, Let's bring in tonight's panel
34:10
Speaker 2: small business Women, Australia CEO Amanda Rose and Sky News
34:14
Speaker 2: contributor Joe Hildebrand, who most recently has been pretending to
34:17
Speaker 2: be me on the Lake debate I.
34:19
Speaker 1: Have and now you're pretending to be Steve.
34:22
Speaker 2: Steve Grice, I'm pretending to be Steve talking to the
34:29
Speaker 2: bloke who pretends to be me. And you'll be doing
34:31
Speaker 2: this same on Monday as well, because I'll be back
34:33
Speaker 2: in this year for Peter Credlin. Let's start with the
34:36
Speaker 2: billionaire climate campaigner Mike cannon brooks now is all good
34:40
Speaker 2: climate alarmist do. He's gone and bought himself a private jet,
34:43
Speaker 2: which the Financial Review revealed yesterday. Well today, he said
34:47
Speaker 2: he suffered a deep internal conflict about it. He said
34:51
Speaker 2: he just had to do it so I can run
34:53
Speaker 2: a global business from Australia and still be a constantly
34:57
Speaker 2: present dad, which was quote unquote hard continual trade off
35:02
Speaker 2: I've had to make. But it's okay, he says, because
35:04
Speaker 2: quote I have an extremely rigorous carbon regime for all
35:08
Speaker 2: my flying, including using direct air capture and sustainable fuels
35:12
Speaker 2: for the carbon and contrails to exceed my flight footprint.
35:17
Speaker 3: Well there you go.
35:18
Speaker 2: If only we knew it was that easy that by
35:21
Speaker 2: having a private jet, Joe, you are the most environmentally
35:25
Speaker 2: friendly bloke on the face of the year.
35:26
Speaker 12: That's right, and the incredible. The is he's also managed
35:28
Speaker 12: to offset his internal conflict. Look, I think, I mean,
35:33
Speaker 12: Mike Cannon Brooks is a really nice guy. I've met
35:35
Speaker 12: him a couple of times. He's very, very sincere about
35:38
Speaker 12: this stuff. He's all there, but but no, but I
35:44
Speaker 12: know a lot of people will be triggered by that.
35:46
Speaker 12: He's a genuinely really nice guy, a South fan. You
35:48
Speaker 12: know it can't be all but again, these are the
35:52
Speaker 12: kind of allowances that he makes for himself with all
35:55
Speaker 12: the resources.
35:55
Speaker 1: In the world.
35:56
Speaker 12: And you know, he's got more money than God, and
35:58
Speaker 12: good on him.
35:59
Speaker 1: Just a mad and like the.
36:01
Speaker 12: How hard it must be for just everyday normal people
36:06
Speaker 12: to live the carbon neutral lives that everyone demands that
36:11
Speaker 12: we must, Like, everyone says, you have to do this,
36:12
Speaker 12: you have to do this, this has to be you
36:14
Speaker 12: have to buy this, you have to do this. Well,
36:16
Speaker 12: you know, Mike Cannon Books can afford to and that's great,
36:20
Speaker 12: but most ordinary people, you know, even he sort of
36:22
Speaker 12: succumbs to the temptation of a private jet or says
36:25
Speaker 12: he needsation private that he needs the private jet to
36:31
Speaker 12: make his life work. Doesn't know, I mean, I need
36:34
Speaker 12: the LPG Falcons my.
36:35
Speaker 2: Life he's to come to the private jet like.
36:41
Speaker 13: He could succumb to morality and not be a hypocrite.
36:45
Speaker 13: The thing is is the classic elitist do as I say,
36:49
Speaker 13: not as I do, and they just talk their way
36:51
Speaker 13: out of it. You probably take that jet to a
36:54
Speaker 13: climate conference. And the thing is, it's the hypocrisy. And
36:58
Speaker 13: what I don't like is that the every day person
37:00
Speaker 13: has essentially been brainwashed that the world is going to
37:04
Speaker 13: end tomorrow if you don't recycle. And then someone like
37:07
Speaker 13: that will say, don't worry, I bought a private jet,
37:09
Speaker 13: but I'm cool with it because you know, I gave
37:12
Speaker 13: some money to you know, implant some trees.
37:14
Speaker 3: And it makes him a bit of dad, apparently.
37:17
Speaker 13: As your worst dad for being a hypocrite.
37:18
Speaker 2: Most most kids have probably agreed that if dad came
37:22
Speaker 2: home with.
37:22
Speaker 3: A private yet, and he's a good dad, but the
37:26
Speaker 3: rest of us can't afford it. Now, while we're talking about.
37:29
Speaker 2: Kids, new data has revealed that nearly half a million
37:32
Speaker 2: students are regularly skipping school across the nation in what's
37:35
Speaker 2: believed to be one of the lasting impacts of the
37:37
Speaker 2: COVID pandemic. The Advertiser, my hometown paper, has done a
37:42
Speaker 2: four part DOCU series called Lockdown Kids, How to Break
37:45
Speaker 2: a Generation also found an estimated eighty thousand children are
37:49
Speaker 2: completely missing from the education system somehow. I wrote my
37:53
Speaker 2: column in The Tizer about this today, Joe, that you know,
37:56
Speaker 2: isn't it amazing that five years on people are staff
38:00
Speaker 2: having to wake up to what really went on during
38:02
Speaker 2: COVID and how bad lockdowns were, et cetera.
38:06
Speaker 3: I was saying it from the beginning. I was cooled
38:08
Speaker 3: a granny killer.
38:09
Speaker 2: But now even the Australian Human Rights Commission says that
38:12
Speaker 2: this was bad for humanity.
38:14
Speaker 12: You are absolutely correct, You were absolutely correct.
38:17
Speaker 1: I was saying that the same thing.
38:18
Speaker 12: And the people who were saying that all this was
38:20
Speaker 12: wrong and all the evidence was wrong and that you know,
38:23
Speaker 12: we were granny killers or whatever, where are they now?
38:25
Speaker 1: Where's the accountability?
38:26
Speaker 2: Where?
38:27
Speaker 12: Who's actually responsible for these eighty thousand kids that have
38:30
Speaker 12: just gone missing? Now this is the most important story.
38:33
Speaker 12: I'm so proud of the Advertiser and other newspurt master
38:35
Speaker 12: heads are reporting it as well around the country. I
38:38
Speaker 12: remember seeing in the Sydney Morning Hell and again, there
38:41
Speaker 12: was never any evidence for closing schools. There was never
38:44
Speaker 12: any justification for it. In fact, kids were where COVID
38:47
Speaker 12: went to die. You want to kill COVID, you give
38:50
Speaker 12: it to a kid because they get no symptoms, overwhelmingly
38:53
Speaker 12: have no symptoms and they do not pass.
38:55
Speaker 1: It on right.
38:56
Speaker 12: Study after study showed this study after a study of
38:59
Speaker 12: research analysis by the New South Wales government itself, its
39:02
Speaker 12: own Department of Education, its own researchers in their COVID
39:07
Speaker 12: contact tracing, found not a single case of transmission between
39:11
Speaker 12: kids in a school. They found this, and yet they
39:15
Speaker 12: shut the schools anyway because of pure panic, because people
39:19
Speaker 12: just simply panic, and no one had the guts or
39:21
Speaker 12: the decency to stick up for kids and say no,
39:23
Speaker 12: this is wrong.
39:24
Speaker 1: After the first lockdown, well and that were literally they're created.
39:29
Speaker 1: All those the freers were destroyed. And after the first
39:31
Speaker 1: lockdown alone, three thousand kids.
39:33
Speaker 12: The Teachers Federation own inquiry found that three thousand kids
39:38
Speaker 12: disappeared from the New South Wales state system alone just
39:41
Speaker 12: after one lockdown.
39:42
Speaker 1: And they did it again and again and again.
39:44
Speaker 12: They destroyed these kids' lives and they have disappeared.
39:47
Speaker 1: We basically just don't know where they are.
39:48
Speaker 2: You know how many people Amanda under the age of
39:51
Speaker 2: twenty have died in Australia from COVID right up to
39:55
Speaker 2: the end of last year twenty seven, twenty seven in
39:58
Speaker 2: the entire country. And this is what we did to
40:00
Speaker 2: kids to to stop them from day.
40:02
Speaker 13: It's funny how there was so much panic on this
40:04
Speaker 13: with little data. Yet if you look at our suicide
40:07
Speaker 13: rates which have increased, mind you, during as a result
40:10
Speaker 13: of lockdowns and everything since, they've skyrocketed, and no one's
40:14
Speaker 13: talking about that. And these poor children were totally disengaged.
40:18
Speaker 13: They were under so much pressure. And you know what's interesting,
40:21
Speaker 13: the government has done absolutely nothing to deal with that
40:25
Speaker 13: specific problem of actually, how can we bring them back
40:28
Speaker 13: to the school system. How can we change the.
40:30
Speaker 1: Type of school?
40:32
Speaker 13: No, because I deal with children like this that kind
40:34
Speaker 13: of disappeared, and how can we get them in the
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Speaker 13: programs that we run? For example, bring people, you know,
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Speaker 13: young kids, young people interested again into a future. So
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Speaker 13: we've got jobs of the future, like yes, I want
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Speaker 13: to come to that. I might not want to go
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Speaker 13: to school, so parents will bring them to these type
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Speaker 13: of programs. So there needs to be extracurricular programs. This
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Speaker 13: is where the corporate world can come in and help
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Speaker 13: to get them interested, engaged.
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Speaker 1: With other people in the community.
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Speaker 12: Often kids from vulnerable and the parents are not actually well.
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Speaker 13: True, the government's responsible for that. That's been hundreds of
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Speaker 13: millions of dollars unemployment services on youth services. Why aren't
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Speaker 13: they ordered in that to say this isn't working, we
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Speaker 13: need to fix its not.
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Speaker 12: Schools used to be where teachers and other staff could
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Speaker 12: identify kids who are being neglected or abused.
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Speaker 13: Where they just because of the mean.
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Speaker 12: Kids suddenly started saying, you're at home now and again
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Speaker 12: that is why I've got there. It is this most
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Speaker 12: vulnerable cohort that has disappeared from the system, and these
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Speaker 12: decision makers they were wrong there, they are wrong now
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Speaker 12: and they should be helped with account quickly.
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Speaker 3: Before we get to a break.
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Speaker 2: And people in the coffee industry are saying that, you know,
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Speaker 2: the cost of coffee is going to go up again,
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Speaker 2: and we're like Jesus, it used to be three dollars
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Speaker 2: for a flat white now it's about six bucks now.
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Speaker 3: Droughts are part of it.
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Speaker 2: In the world's largest coffee producing regions, it's limiting supply.
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Speaker 2: But one of the other things that's becoming a problem
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Speaker 2: is increased demand in China for coffee, which then, of
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Speaker 2: course is going to drive.
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Speaker 1: Up Always the Chinese.
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Speaker 2: Here, I know, I thought it was always Russia, the
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Speaker 2: co founder of the Caffeina Group says The coffee roasters
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Speaker 2: says that China hasn't been a factor in the past,
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Speaker 2: but their demand has come at a time when supply
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Speaker 2: is down and it will send prices up. Is there
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Speaker 2: anything else, Joe, that China can buger up for us?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Red wine, they mix it with poke.
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Speaker 3: Like serious, just just they've got tea.
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Speaker 2: They got what we used to We used to say,
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Speaker 2: you know, for all the tea in China, why can
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Speaker 2: they just stick to the tea and let us have
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Speaker 2: the coffee.
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Speaker 13: Look put this way, you know, if it's too expensive,
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Speaker 13: it's time for a detox everyone, and go back to
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Speaker 13: drinking water filtered though not tat water.
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Speaker 2: Deary, dear Amanda, Joe, thank you so much. After the break,
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Speaker 2: the Stories of the Week with cartooners Mark Knight, don't
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Speaker 2: go away, all right, Let's get through your favorite part
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Speaker 2: of the show. I know Herold's son cartoonis Mark Knight
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Speaker 2: joins me now with the stories of the week in
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Speaker 2: his cartoons. Mark great to see you. Let's run through
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Speaker 2: some of your fine work from this week. You've had
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Speaker 2: a fair bit to work with with Albow and federal
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Speaker 2: politics and international politics too. Speaking of which Albow and
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Speaker 2: the tariffs.
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Speaker 14: Yes, well, mister Trump is you know, sort of setting
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Speaker 14: the world on fire with his with his trade tariffs.
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Speaker 14: And you know, quite rightly Elbow stood up for us
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Speaker 14: and said that, you know, Australian should retaliate by buying
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Speaker 14: Australian only, And of course Jodie is sitting next to
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Speaker 14: him and she's telling him, well, we don't actually make
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Speaker 14: anything anymore, dear, So I don't know how that retaliation
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Speaker 14: will go because most of our stuff is Chinese. We
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Speaker 14: buy it on Timu, it's delivered by Amazon and American company,
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Speaker 14: and we order it on our American made iPhone.
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Speaker 1: So you know.
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Speaker 5: It's not going to work.
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Speaker 2: I think one thing they've been making is cliff top
43:54
Speaker 2: mansions up at Copa Cavana, certainly for the Prime Minister anyway.
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Speaker 2: But you know, he talks, he talks about the future
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Speaker 2: made in Australia, as though it's like this great thing
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Speaker 2: we're going to have manufacturing come back to Australia. That
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Speaker 2: the ships sailed. I mean, that's about the only thing
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Speaker 2: we're building is warships or submarines.
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Speaker 14: Well, yes, maybe we might be building a few submarines
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Speaker 14: in twenty five years time, but that depends on I
44:22
Speaker 14: guess the largest of America and mister Trump. So yeah,
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Speaker 14: I think the only thing we build in Australia is
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Speaker 14: this product is twenty five percent made in Australia stickers.
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Speaker 3: That we stick on things from overseas.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of warships, Malcolm Turnbull had a little encounter with
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Speaker 2: one this week.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, Caleb, we've had the Chinese navy sailing up
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Speaker 14: and down the East coast of Australia, and you know,
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Speaker 14: Donald Trump was pretty upset with what Malcolm said about him.
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Speaker 14: Was it Bloomberg? I think he was on And I thought, well,
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Speaker 14: if the Chinese are sending ships, why wouldn't why wouldn't
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Speaker 14: Donald Trump's and the Pacific fleet into Sydney Harbor to
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Speaker 14: front up outside what we used to call Malcolm mister
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Speaker 14: harbourside Mansion's residents and say Malcolm, what's going on?
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Speaker 2: You know, that might be a good thing, because, of course,
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Speaker 2: remember when the Japanese came into Sydney Harbor, everyone got
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Speaker 2: scared and didn't want to have property on the waterfront.
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Speaker 3: So maybe would actually be able to affordably.
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Speaker 2: Buy Malcolm Turnbull's own home if such a thing happened.
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Speaker 2: Now the Grand Prix, of course, is kicking off this
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Speaker 2: weekend in Melbourne. Great event that it is, but it
45:31
Speaker 2: seems crime problems may be interfering in your car too well.
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Speaker 14: Melbourne is in this, in this youth crime epidemic. If
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Speaker 14: you live well, particularly the eastern suburbs of Melbourne, if
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Speaker 14: you park your Audi or your beam doub in your driveway,
45:48
Speaker 14: there's a strong chance the next morning it's not going
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Speaker 14: to be there. With a group of way we'd use
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Speaker 14: have probably broken in, stolen your keys and stolen your car.
45:57
Speaker 14: So it's just a fact of life.
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Speaker 2: Now in Melbourne.
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Speaker 14: And so I put two and two together, and I wondered,
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Speaker 14: what you know, Lewis Hamilton's first pit stop might be
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Speaker 14: like in his first drive in his new Ferrari. If
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Speaker 14: I was herem I wouldn't be stopping too long in
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Speaker 14: the pits, because more than likely, as I show in
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Speaker 14: this cartoon, a gang of years are going to come
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Speaker 14: along and steal all the wheels. The engine, the fuel
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Speaker 14: and probably even the car. So yeah, I make it
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Speaker 14: a very quick pit stop.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be leaving the keys on the nightstand, that's
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Speaker 2: for sure. I don't know if you're an if one
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Speaker 2: man mark, but Oscar Piastre, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 3: Can he do it?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 14: I think he can for sure. He's red hot, He's
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Speaker 14: in a great car, good team, he has a good
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Speaker 14: relationship with his teammates. So I think whoever's in front,
46:44
Speaker 14: and hopefully it's Oscar, is allowed to win. So I'd
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Speaker 14: be putting my money on Oscar Piastre. And of course
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Speaker 14: we all hope that Jack Doing does a good job
46:53
Speaker 14: as well in his first drive down Under.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be great to see an Aussie win the
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Speaker 2: Aussie grow on pre Speaking of of crime in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: the bail laws, suddenly the premier just Interer Allen's woken up.
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Speaker 3: She's going to do something about it.
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Speaker 14: Well, as I say in this cartoon, I think she
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Speaker 14: really needs to get out of jail here because she's
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Speaker 14: in a bit of strife with bail laws, and as
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Speaker 14: I spoke about before, the youth crime epidemic. So I
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Speaker 14: think this is a political move by just seemed to
47:23
Speaker 14: change the bail laws, and you know she's I think
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Speaker 14: she's got a Next year is an election year, so
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Speaker 14: hopefully these bail laws will see her get out of jail.
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Speaker 14: But I don't like her chances. As my little pig
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Speaker 14: says in the corner, I think she should start digging.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's going to do much for her,
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Speaker 2: especially of course, when after she first announced there would
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Speaker 2: be a review of bail Laud's, the Police Minister Anthony
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Speaker 2: Carbine said, de matta know that it's really a review.
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Speaker 2: I've got ten things in my bottom drawer we could
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Speaker 2: do about bail law's tomorrow. Why didn't you already do
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Speaker 2: them very quickly before we go? While we're talking about elections,
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Speaker 2: it would seem there's not.
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Speaker 3: Going to be one in April.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be going for May because of a
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Speaker 2: small problem of a cyclone that became an X cyclone
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Speaker 2: up on the coast.
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Speaker 14: It really, you know, mother nature is having such an
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Speaker 14: effect on our lives now, and it's even changed per
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Speaker 14: Old Albow election plans. And when I was watching the
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Speaker 14: coverage of this cyclone, which I guess was wall to
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Speaker 14: wall coverage, I think We're all amazed by seeing people
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Speaker 14: out there trying to catch waves, and people walking their
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Speaker 14: dogs on these beaches and trying to climb up and
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Speaker 14: down these sort of eroded sandbanks. It was crazy. And
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Speaker 14: so I've pictured Albert our elbow here, you know, looking
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Speaker 14: out into the huge surface.
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Speaker 2: I think facing he's got high winds coming, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Mark that we run out of time. Thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for joining me. You can catch his cartoons in
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Speaker 2: the Herald Sun up now. The world according to Rowandine,
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Speaker 2: good night,