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Legally Brunette: The Murdaugh Murders · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode Illegally Brunette. I will
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  Speaker 1: be your host, Emily Simpson and Shane Shane. Okay, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, we have to do some updates on some
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  Speaker 1: cases that we've done previously. If you have not listened
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  Speaker 1: to our episode on Ellen Greenberg, I would suggest that
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  Speaker 1: you do that if you haven't, because it's a really,
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  Speaker 1: really interesting case. It's so interesting because you'll never actually
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  Speaker 1: know what happened, but we have some like breaking news
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  Speaker 1: or some new things that have happened.
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  Speaker 2: Breaking only heard here.
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  Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Medical Examiner reaffirms Ellen Greenberg's twenty eleven stabbing
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  Speaker 1: death was a suicide. Now, you know, when we talked
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  Speaker 1: about it previously, it was originally ruled a suicide, then
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  Speaker 1: it was ruled a homicide. Then I think it even
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  Speaker 1: may have gone back to a suicide, then maybe back
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  Speaker 1: to a homicide because the parents were pushing. They wanted
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  Speaker 1: it ruled as a homicide, because they wanted it investigated,
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  Speaker 1: and they never believed that their daughter took her own life,
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  Speaker 1: especially with twenty stab wounds. However, just recently, the Philadelphia
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  Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office issued a report affirming its ruling that
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  Speaker 1: the twenty eleven stabbing death of Ellen Greenberg was a suicide.
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  Speaker 1: It was a thirty two page report. The chief medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner was doctor Lindsay Simon, and she said that Ellen
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  Speaker 1: Greenberg would have been capable of inflicting the injuries on herself,
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  Speaker 1: noting that there was no sign of a struggle at
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  Speaker 1: the scene, no sign of an intruder. Her fiancees alibi
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  Speaker 1: was supported through surveillance footage, and his DNA was not
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  Speaker 1: found on the knife. The medical examiner also noted that
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  Speaker 1: Greenberg was under the care of a psychiatrist at the
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  Speaker 1: time for her anxiety, but quote, she did not survive
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  Speaker 1: long enough to address the actual anxiety itself. Thus she
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  Speaker 1: had to increase it energy to act on her anxious thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's really the crux of the issue. Was
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  Speaker 1: she going through such a psychosis episode that she was
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  Speaker 1: able to inflict those wounds herself or did her fiance
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  Speaker 1: have something to do with it. At the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, we'll never know, but it is officially ruled
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  Speaker 1: a suicide, and I think at this point that's probably
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  Speaker 1: a final determination. I don't know if the.
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  Speaker 2: Right I mean, whether he did or not. It's a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. I stoked, we didn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: He stoked, well exactly. William Trask is the Greenberg's family attorney.
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  Speaker 1: He blasted these findings in a statement and said the
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner so called independent review of Ellen's death is
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  Speaker 1: a deeply flawed attempt to justify a predetermined conclusion by
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  Speaker 1: ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, a recreation which proves
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  Speaker 1: Ellen could not self inflict all of the wounds. There's
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  Speaker 1: unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, and intact Locke accounts of
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  Speaker 1: a toxic relationship, et cetera. The medical examiner builds a
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  Speaker 1: flimsy case on distorted portrayals of Ellen's mental health. So
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  Speaker 1: obviously the family attorney is disagreeing, and we'll continue to
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  Speaker 1: follow that and see if there's any other breaking news.
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  Speaker 1: But as of right now, it has beneficial told a suicide. Again.
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  Speaker 2: Side note, if it's a homicide, insurances may be available.
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  Speaker 2: If it's a suicide, it's likely excluded.
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  Speaker 1: Is that because we're going into the Murdau murders? Is
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  Speaker 1: that why that's on your mind?
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  Speaker 2: That was my transition.
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  Speaker 1: That was, well, we're not transitioning yet.
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  Speaker 2: We have sorry more updates.
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  Speaker 1: We have some breaking news. Well actually it's just an update.
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  Speaker 1: I just like to say breaking news on Amy.
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  Speaker 2: Bradley again, another unsolved another.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, some people believe that she jumped, and then
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  Speaker 1: other people believe that she was trafficked. So the success
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  Speaker 1: of the Netflix docuseries Amy Bradley Is Missing has helped
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  Speaker 1: put Bradley's case in the national spotlight, bringing in hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of new leads to the FBI and Bradley's family. There
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  Speaker 1: are three very significant leads that a source close to
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  Speaker 1: the production has told the Hollywood Reporter. These are actually,
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  Speaker 1: these are really interesting. So I'm glad we're going to
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  Speaker 1: break these three new leads down just for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, a female bar server that was on
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  Speaker 1: board the cruise ship that night has come forward to
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  Speaker 1: corroborate the kidnapping version of events on the night Bradley
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  Speaker 1: went missing. A source says that this server was heard
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  Speaker 1: exclaiming to passengers and crew seniority to kidnapped, seniority to kidnapped.
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  Speaker 1: The server does not speak much English, and the bar
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  Speaker 1: server was then told to shut up and take into
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  Speaker 1: the back by a bartender. This server is currently being
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  Speaker 1: interviewed by investigators. So that is new tip number one.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, there has been a new highly suspicious hit
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  Speaker 1: to Amy Bradley's missing person's website. The site is being
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  Speaker 1: professionally monitored for activity, with the idea being that Bradley
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  Speaker 1: herself may use it as a way to feel connected
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  Speaker 1: with her family, or that her potential captors may use
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  Speaker 1: it as keeping tabs on the investigation. Through geolocating, investigators
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  Speaker 1: were able to trace the suspicious hip to an IP
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  Speaker 1: address of a device on a boat off the west
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  Speaker 1: end of Barbados. That seems like a more viable lead
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  Speaker 1: to me, Oh well, timely, because really, the only you
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  Speaker 1: have to find her, you can't. You can interview a
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  Speaker 1: server all day long that says that she saw something
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  Speaker 1: that night thirty years ago, but that's not gonna help
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  Speaker 1: you find her if she's still alive and she's existing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, and just seeing her, I mean, we need seeing
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  Speaker 2: her alone may not do anything at all. I guess
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  Speaker 2: there'd have to be more.
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  Speaker 1: Tips, right, But the website with an IP address is
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  Speaker 1: definitely more viable because then you can go to a
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  Speaker 1: location and search, all right. The third new information surrounding
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  Speaker 1: that Aby Bradley has a potential child. New evidence makes
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  Speaker 1: a more compelling case that Bradley has at least one child.
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  Speaker 1: The source believes the child is more than likely the
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  Speaker 1: result of Bradley being forced into sex work, and not
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  Speaker 1: a signal that she has settled down to have a family.
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  Speaker 1: Though this information is vague, I guess the source knows
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  Speaker 1: more information, but it is only sharing a little.
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  Speaker 2: That right there, just credits it.
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  Speaker 1: Why because they're not sharing everything. Well, maybe they're not
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  Speaker 1: publicly sharing it. Maybe they're sharing information, but they're not
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  Speaker 1: putting Okay, they're not putting the information a lot of
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  Speaker 1: information out publicly, all right, because obviously, if someone's following
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  Speaker 1: this case and she was sex trafficked, and there's people
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  Speaker 1: looking into it and following it, you don't want to put.
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  Speaker 2: All your right deliberately withheld from the public.
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  Speaker 1: Right it is the most significant piece of new evidence.
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  Speaker 1: If Amy Bradley has a child, then we know she
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  Speaker 1: didn't die at sea, and then maybe there's a way
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  Speaker 1: to locate her. All right, Let's move on to the
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  Speaker 1: twisted and crazy case of the murdaw murders. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: there's two documentaries that I watched. There is a Hulu
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  Speaker 1: documentary called The Murdaw Murders A Deadly Dynasty, which is great.
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  Speaker 1: I would suggest that there's also a documentary on Netflix
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  Speaker 1: called The Murdaw Murders A Southern Scandal, which is great. Also.
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  Speaker 1: Now Hulu has come out with a new It's not
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  Speaker 1: a documentary, it's a dramatization. And Shane and I watched
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  Speaker 1: the first three episodes, and I will tell you, like,
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  Speaker 1: I have a big problem with this dramatization, but we're
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  Speaker 1: going to come back to that because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we need to get into the story more. However, when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to dramatizations, what do you think? Like, I
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  Speaker 1: liked the Amanda Knox one because they did a good
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  Speaker 1: job as following the story as accurately as possible with
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  Speaker 1: facts and pulling all the testimony right.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise you just watch an action flick, any kind of
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  Speaker 2: murder mystery movie.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They stuck to the facts, and that's why I
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  Speaker 1: liked it. And then obviously with a dramatization, it's the
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  Speaker 1: it's the director or producer or whoever.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: They had some side stories as to where they add
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  Speaker 1: some creativity and you know where you see like Rafael's
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  Speaker 1: family or conversations he might have had with his sister
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  Speaker 1: or his dad, and they're trying to make it deeper,
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to add more to the characters. I don't
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  Speaker 1: mind that level of creativity as long as you're sticking
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  Speaker 1: to the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you watch these things and there's conversation, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: how do they know that conversation took place? But they're
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  Speaker 2: probably doing the best they can to interpret it and
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  Speaker 2: kind of get the vibe and tone and some of
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  Speaker 2: the things that might have been discussed.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Alex Murdach. He was a
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  Speaker 1: once prominent South Carolina attorney, a member of a powerful
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  Speaker 1: legal family, and he became the center of a massive
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  Speaker 1: criminal scandal after the June twenty twenty one murders of
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  Speaker 1: his wife Maggie and son Paul on his family's oney
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy acre hunting estate, which is called
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  Speaker 1: Mozelle Cow eighteen acres Acres YEA. The investigation into those
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  Speaker 1: two murders unraveled a web of financial crimes, corruption, and deceit.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors alleged that Murdoch killed his family members to distract
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  Speaker 1: from and delay exposure of his own extensive financial misconduct.
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  Speaker 1: He had been stealing millions from his law firm and
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  Speaker 1: clients for years.
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  Speaker 2: And this last firm goes back generations.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, it's like his great great grandfather was
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  Speaker 1: a prosecutor, and then that, then his great grandfather was
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  Speaker 1: a prosecutor. Then his grandfather was a prosecutor. So this
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  Speaker 1: is a well established legal dynasty in this low country I.
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  Speaker 2: Know everyone, everyone knows them.
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  Speaker 1: So this case drew national attention not just for the
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  Speaker 1: brutality of the murders, but for the exposure of the
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  Speaker 1: deep rooted influence of the Murdoff family in South Carolina's
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  Speaker 1: low country justice system. All right, let's start with the Murdals.
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  Speaker 1: Who they are, why they're so powerful. So the Murdof
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  Speaker 1: family is a once prominent and influential legal dynasty from
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  Speaker 1: Hampton County, South Carolina. Their prominence began back in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ten when Randolph Murdal Senior founded this is called the
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  Speaker 1: PMPED Law Firm. Obviously, PMPED stands for all the last
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  Speaker 1: names of the partners. Oh it's not pimped.
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  Speaker 2: I know what I saw. They need to add like
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  Speaker 2: a there.
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  Speaker 1: Something they could have an eye. It's a personal entry,
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  Speaker 1: A pimp law fer. I mean he kind of ran
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  Speaker 1: it like that a personal jury in civil litigation powerhouse.
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  Speaker 1: From nineteen twenty to two thousand and six, three generations
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  Speaker 1: of murder men. Randolph Senior, Randolph Junior, and Randolph the
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  Speaker 1: third served as solicitor for the Fourteenth Circuit. And solicitor
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  Speaker 1: is another way to say prosecutor. This meant the Murdoffs
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  Speaker 1: prosecuted every major criminal case in their region for over
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  Speaker 1: eighty six years, giving them deep ties to local law enforcement,
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  Speaker 1: judges and politicians. All right, so let's get into how
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  Speaker 1: all this starts to unravel. We might have to jump
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  Speaker 1: around just a little bit just to try to make
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  Speaker 1: this flow and make sense. But we're going to start
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  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen because I feel like that's where all
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  Speaker 1: the documentaries start as well, because you have to start
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  Speaker 1: with the boat crash. I feel like that's the catalyst
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  Speaker 1: for really the downfall of this family and and everything
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  Speaker 1: being exposed. So we're going to start there. Ebruary twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, was the Murdall boating accident. This is when
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  Speaker 1: the youngest son, Paul Murdall, was driving friends out on
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  Speaker 1: a boat late at night.
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  Speaker 2: He's like twenty right or something.
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  Speaker 1: Or he's nineteen at the time when he strivers. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so there were six longtime friends that were on a
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  Speaker 1: seventeen foot sea hunt boat owned by Alex Murdall. Now
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  Speaker 1: it was three couples. So you have Paul Murdall and
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  Speaker 1: then his girlfriend who was Morgan Dody. They're nineteen. Then
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  Speaker 1: there's Mallory Beach and her boyfriend Anthony, they're both nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's Connor Cook who is Anthony's cousin, and
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  Speaker 1: then his girlfriend Miley, who was also twenty and the
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  Speaker 1: three girls were friends and the three guys were friends.
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  Speaker 1: You've got six couples out on a boat late at night. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the group drove the boat to an oyster shrucking party
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  Speaker 1: and drank heavily at the event, and there's all these
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  Speaker 1: snapchat videos. If you watch any of these documentaries, there's
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  Speaker 1: so much real footage of that night, the party, on
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  Speaker 1: them partying, and there's so much snapchat videos and just
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  Speaker 1: social media type videos because you've got six young kids
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  Speaker 1: on a boat and they're all taking videos, they're all posting,
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  Speaker 1: so you get a real life idea of what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: They're all heavily drinking. We later learned that Paul insisted
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  Speaker 1: on taking the boat that night because he knew there
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  Speaker 1: would be routine traffic stops on the road, so he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to steer clear of that. So it's interesting that
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  Speaker 1: he wants to avoid a dui so they take the
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  Speaker 1: boat out instead. Despite being underage, Paul was able to
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  Speaker 1: buy alcohol at a local convenience store. This is prior
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  Speaker 1: to taking the boat out using his older brother's ID.
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  Speaker 1: His older brother's name is Buster. That night, witnesses described
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  Speaker 1: Paul as acting belligerent and drunk, and alternating between aggressive
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  Speaker 1: and erratic behavior. Paul was known to be a heavy drinker.
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  Speaker 1: His friends also had a name for his drunk alter ego.
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  Speaker 1: They called him Timmy. Now, I'm sorry, but you know
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  Speaker 1: that when you drink, like if your friends give you
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  Speaker 1: an entire different name and entirely different identity, because you
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  Speaker 1: become a totally different person when.
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  Speaker 2: You're drinking, and it's not for good. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: it becomes a gentleman.
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  Speaker 1: No, he does not become a gentleman. YEA, his name
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  Speaker 1: isn't like Bernard. His alter ego is Demmy, and Timmy
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  Speaker 1: is a menace. Friends testified that Paul refused to let
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  Speaker 1: anyone else drive the boat, even though they repeatedly asked
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  Speaker 1: him to stop operating it. So you see them all
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  Speaker 1: go to this oyster shuck which is pretty far down
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  Speaker 1: the river. They're all partying, they're all drinking. There's all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of social media videos of them drinking. They get
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  Speaker 1: back in the boat. I'm sorry, this cat is driving
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  Speaker 1: me insane. I can't with the animals. It's just there's
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  Speaker 1: so many of them.
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  Speaker 2: We should do a zoo podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So they leave the oyster shucking party and they're coming
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  Speaker 1: back and then Paul insists that they stop at a
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  Speaker 1: bar on their way back, so they dock the boat.
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  Speaker 1: On their way back, they go to a bar. It's
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  Speaker 1: him and I think like another one of the guys,
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  Speaker 1: and you can see the girls and you know their
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  Speaker 1: surveillance video of it. They're waiting on him and he
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  Speaker 1: comes back out of the bar and he looks like
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  Speaker 1: he's acting kind of beligerably.
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  Speaker 2: He's using his brother's ID to get the alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he used his brother's ID to buy alcohol before
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  Speaker 1: they took the boat out. So it shows him like
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  Speaker 1: pulling in in a big truck and he goes in
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  Speaker 1: the convenience story buy his alcohol. He gets back in
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  Speaker 1: the truck. He's got the boat hooked up.
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  Speaker 2: To it, So I mean, he's a criminal from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: It frights So they stop at a bar, they drink,
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  Speaker 1: They get back into the boat, and I know that
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  Speaker 1: they kept saying that they were asking, like repeatedly, that
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  Speaker 1: they did not want him to drive the boat. The
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  Speaker 1: other guys tried to drive the boat. Here's the thing
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  Speaker 1: that bothers me though. The other two guys are big guys.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, if you're
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  Speaker 1: that concerned with him, like, I don't understand why they
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  Speaker 1: don't physically just hold him down.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, if I'm driving the car and I'm drunk.
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  Speaker 1: I can't know. I can't even picture that.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, and you're trying to take the wheel from me,
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  Speaker 2: is it just a matter of you just taking the
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  Speaker 2: wheel from me?
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  Speaker 1: No? Yeah, but I can't overpa Well maybe I can,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't overpower your power.
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  Speaker 2: For words.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking thinking about the other two guys in the
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  Speaker 1: boat because it might take a.
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  Speaker 2: Minute to do it. Guys, I've ever seen cops try
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  Speaker 2: to take down someone. It sometime takes four or five cops. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so had him some slack, is what I'm saying. What
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  Speaker 2: the other guys, Yeah, you don't know what was going
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  Speaker 2: on in that boat.
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  Speaker 1: Well there's some video of it. It looks pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Chaotic there you go. That's why they couldn't take it
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  Speaker 2: over because it.
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  Speaker 1: Was chaotic at around two twenty am while speeding through
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  Speaker 1: the dark, foggy waters near Archer's Creek Bridge.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and keep in mind they were drunk too, so
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  Speaker 2: if they were drunk to it, they weren't, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're a low empede too.
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  Speaker 1: So the way I understood it is that they're close
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  Speaker 1: to Archer's Creek Bridge and Paul was driving erratic and
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to get him to stop driving, and
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  Speaker 1: it seems like there's a scuffle and there's chaos going on.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like the boat like circles a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and then the boat stops. Then I believe the way
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  Speaker 1: I understand it is that Paul grabs the throttle and
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  Speaker 1: just pushes it forward at full speed, so the ball
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  Speaker 1: so the boat lurches forward, goes full speed and slams
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  Speaker 1: into a piling, which are those thick pillars that support
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  Speaker 1: a peer or a doc. The impact threw multiple passengers
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  Speaker 1: into the water. Connor, one of the other guys, had
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  Speaker 1: a huge gash near his mouth and left a permanent scar,
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  Speaker 1: and Morgan needed to get surgery on her badly injured hand.
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  Speaker 1: So Morgan is Paul's girlfriend. Also, they claim that he
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  Speaker 1: slapped Morgan that night and spit on her like while
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  Speaker 1: they were all in the boat. So despite these concerning injuries,
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  Speaker 1: every passenger besides Mallory Beach surfaced. So everyone starts screaming
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  Speaker 1: out for Mallory because she's the only one out of
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  Speaker 1: all six people that they can't find. Everyone was screaming
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  Speaker 1: out for her while nine one one was being called.
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  Speaker 1: Nine arrives and they take all these kids to the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: right except for Anthony Cook. Anthony refuses to leave because
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  Speaker 1: it's his girlfriend. Mallory is the one that's missing. So, right,
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  Speaker 1: all of the remaining passengers go to the hospital besides Anthony,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of bodycam footage from the police
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  Speaker 1: of that night. When the police arrive, you can see
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Anthony's sitting there. He's yelling for Mallory. He's distraught, He's
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: like screaming at Paul, like you did this, you know
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: she's missing. He won't leave. Paul's belligerent. Here's why I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: don't understand. They tell the cops Paul's the one driving.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: They don't give him a breathalyzer at that time. Yeah,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and he's belligerent. He's acting drunk. I mean, he's obnoxious.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: They take him to the hospital and then once he
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: gets to the hospital, he's completely obnoxious. He's like saying
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: horrible things to the nurses, and he's belligerent. So all
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the kids are at the hospital, Paul calls his grandfather Randolph,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: as he notoriously did, for help because he gets in
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: trouble a lot. He was a known troublemaker, but he
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: would always call his grandfather. Randolph and Alex Murdoch quickly
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: appear at the hospital and attempt to manage the narrative.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: You can also see this in surveillance footage. You can
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: see the grandfather and Alex Murda arrive. You can see
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: them at the hospital. You can see them going from
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: room to room. Yeah. Well you can't hear what they're.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Saying, but you can see that, see them.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're going into the kid's rooms. And they're,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: you know, trying to control the narrative, and they're saying,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: don't worry about anything. We're going to represent you in this.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: And I are trying.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: To you got some crooked lawyers here, take care of it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: We're going to do this. So they try to intervene
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: when the kids were asked for their witness statements, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Alex repeatedly inferred that Connor was actually the one driving
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the boat. So already the dads, they are trying to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: change the narrative and trying to blame it on the
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: other kid, Connor. Connor did try to drive the boat,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, all the kids
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: testified that it was Paul was the one that, you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: put his hand on the throttle and was the one
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: driving the boat. Several witnesses also stated that the officers
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: did not immediately administer sobriety tests to Paul, which we
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: talked about. There were also allegations that Paul's name was
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: kept off of the official reports, which I'm sure I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: had to do with the influence of his dad and grandfather.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: They didn't want them to give witness statements. They were
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: going into the rooms. They were trying to, you know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: change the narrative that it was Connor driving.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: A totally different outcome because they were effectively represented right
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: away by lawyers who knew this could go criminal, right,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: so they were in their crooked So they're hardcore protecting
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: their kids, right, A totally different outcome. If if their
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: parents were like social workers and school teachers right and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: just worried for their children and Mallory, it'd be a
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: totally different outcome. We'd probably get more of the truth
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: right away.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, there was an ongoing search for Mallory Beach going on.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: A massive eight day search followed the crash, involving dive teams, helicopters,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and volunteers. On March third, twenty nineteen, Mallory's body was
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: finally found about five miles downstream. It was wedged among
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: reeds in the river. Her cause of death was blunt
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: force trauma and drowning. On April eighteenth of twenty nineteen,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Paul was indicted, and I think a lot of people were,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I mean hopeful, but probably skeptical that they would actually
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: indict Paul Murdal just based upon the fact of who
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he was, who his grandfather was, who his father was right.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: You know, they're just wondering, like why this kid and mose.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: People are gonna hear the simple fact of a Murdoch
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: kid was riding a boat. They probably know they have
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: a reputation for drinking and partying and being drunk or have,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: you know, going along those lines. And now Mallory's missing,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure they spread, you know, talk about how
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the dad's you know, doing this and that interfering, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: so yeah, they want him to go down.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So Paul Murdall was indicted on three felony counts.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Was he indicted before Mallory anything was determined on Mallory?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: He was indicted after she was found. Paul Murdau was
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: indicted on three felony counts boating under the influence causing
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: death and two counts of boating under the influence causing
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: great bodily injury. He pleaded not guilty and was released
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: on his own recognizance. Despite the severity of the charges,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Paul was never disciplined, and his family's influences over local
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: law enforcement became a major point of controversy. You know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I know they did say he was supposed to when
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: he was released. I think part of his release, part
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of his terms where he wasn't supposed to drink, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: then they show he was so stupid he would just
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: post things on social media that showed him out partying,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: drinking right after being indicted for these for these crimes.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, that's all documented. They have all that. Yeah,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that's funny because it's like, Okay, I'll let you go,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: but you have to follow the law. It's like, well,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: he didn't do it in the first place, that's why
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: he's in the courtroom. Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But I mean even when you're going through something like
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that and you've got three major charges against you, you've
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: been indicted, and you're gonna have to go. He pleaded
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: not guilty, so he's going to go to trial, right
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: unless he takes some plea deal at some point.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Well the parents are stupid for they fuel these their kid.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Mean, Daddy probably brought him a new boat right away.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Later on, Mallory's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Buster Murdof for allegedly allowing his brother to use his
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: ID to buy alcohol and the Parker's Kitchen convenience store
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that sold alcohol to Paul. The lawsuit placed major financial
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: pressure on Alex Murdall. All right, here's my thoughts because
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: two years later, this is in June of twenty twenty one,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and he hasn't gone to trial yet. So clearly the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: system is slow. But not only the system is slow,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm sure that they are influence on the system
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: being slow. So on June seventh of twenty twenty one,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: so this is two years later, because the boat crash
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: happened in twenty nineteen, Maggie and Paul Murdall are murdered.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: The morning of June seventh. Is the mom, this is
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the mom, and the boat driver, Paul Murdall, the youngest
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: son driving the boat. So on the morning of June seventh,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the chief financial officer at Alex Murdall's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: namesake law firm confronts him this is the morning of
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the murder, confronts him about seven hundred and ninety two
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars and missing funds from the law firm.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Did you take it straight from their bank account or
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: he took it from settlements? I think right, settlements. Well,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the way that he being paid out.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and the documentaries, and I mean he's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: he's charged with like eventually after the murders, he's charged
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: with like twenty one financial crimes or something. So he's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he has a ongoing long pattern of being able to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: defraud the system. And basically because he's an attorney and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: they do personal injury, he has, you know, invaluable knowledge
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of the inner workings of insurance and personal injury and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: all those things. However, he uses it for evil, right,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: instead of good.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too much to the inside, right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So, the way I understand it is there is a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a company called Forge, which is one of those financial
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: settlement companies, you know what I'm talking about, where you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: you come into money, but instead of taking it as
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a lump sum, those companies manage the money for you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and then pay out payments so that you don't end
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: up spending all your.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Money, allows the money and it's very safe, right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: So there was a company like that called Forge. So
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the way I understand it as Alex Murdau opened a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: personal banking account but called it Forge. Then he would
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: get his clients when they got these settlements, to deposit
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the money into this account called Forge. However, it wasn't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a legitimate business that was going to pay them out
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: their money. It was his own, it was his own
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: personal banking account is a little druggy fund, right, And
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: then I don't know how he manages, but I guess,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: like you said when we talked about this before, where
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: he would just constantly keep his clients at Bay saying
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: there's no settlement.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: That's almost like a pyramid scheme. So you get like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you know, a two million dollars settlement or whatever, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: then he would be like, Okay, you're going to get like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you know, thirty thousand a year. So he gives them
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand a year, but that's nothing. He's probably robbing
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: from Paul to pay Peter and doing all kinds of things.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And these people if as so long as they get
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: a little bit of money at a time his promise,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: they think it's all legit.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's paying them anything. I don't
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: know either, But I mean, I think for the majority
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of his clients who receive settlement money and he was
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: depositing into his own bank account, I think he was
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: just telling them that they're no settlement had come in yet,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: which I don't understand that thinking, because at some point
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: people are going to start asking.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: At some point, it's going to catch up, but he's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: not thinking like that. He's a criminal. They never they
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: always think they're never going to get caught. Otherwise he
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: wouldn't commit a crime. So he's not worried about.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: That all right. Then the evening of June seventh, twenty
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: twenty one, this is around seven to eight thirty pm,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul are at Mozelle together. Also, a lot
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of people thought it was strange that Maggie the mom
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: was at Mozelle because a lot of people were saying
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that she didn't like to be there. That's their hunting Mozell.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Mozelle's their hunting property. So they have a house.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: This is all on the same huge piece of properties.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Well they have they have another home. Jeez, that she
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: would always be at, but then Mozelle was the hunting property.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: The seventeen hundred acres with the dog.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Wasn't normal for it. She wouldn't like casually go there
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: No, So she apparently he had called her that morning
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: or something and asked her to be there.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: The record show right, so.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Phone records show there, So that was suspicious. Around eight
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: forty five this is this is the damn the most
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: damning piece of evidence against him. He claims that he
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, that he was at his parents' house having dinner.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: When did he make that statement to police?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So he calls NA the crime right, So he calls
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: nine one one right and says, you know, I found
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: my son and wife murdered. And then he's like and
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: then when they ask him, you know, where were you
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: were all those questions, He's like, I wasn't here. I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: was at my parents. I just came you know later
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and found them like this, And he claims that he
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: wasn't at Mozelle all day, all evening at all until
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: he arrived to find them murdered. However, at eight forty
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: four pm, Paul was making a Snapchat video of himself
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and the kennels with the dogs, and you can and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you can hear Alex Murdall the dad in the background of.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: The video talking inaudible or do we know what he's saying.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I listened to it. I don't remember what he was saying, but.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Nothing significant, just shows nothing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Significant, but it's clear that it's him, and it's clear
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that it's his voice. Okay, the investigators claim that the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: murders took place approximately between eight fifty and eight fifty
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: five PM. That's a very small window. That's five minutes.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they figure figure out a five
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: minute timeframe, but that's.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know either. Well, the phone calls and there
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: might have been a lot of things that narrowed it
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: down the time of death, and they limited it to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: so five minutes.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: So Paul was shot twice with a twelve gage shotgun.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: The first shot hit his chest and shoulder. The second
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: fatal shot entered his head at close range, blowing off
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: part of his skull and brain matters.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Dad just blew him up, yeah, like to.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: His like right up close to his head. Okay, And
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I tell you this this is a little side story.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: But when I posted on my Instagram a couple days
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: ago that we were going to talk about the murder murders,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and I posted that, a fan, someone that follows me
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: reached out and sent me a message and said that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they were really interested in this case and they'd followed
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it the whole time, and that they actually went to
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the Mozelle property. I don't know how they did. Yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: she sent me a bunch of photos of it, like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: up close photos of her just like and the dog
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: canoles and like she posted one I don't maybe, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: she sent the photos to me and she said that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: there's still brain matter like in the feeding room is
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: where the Paul was shot, untouched. And first of all,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, is this just is this not a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: crime scene anymore? It's just seventeen hundred acres out in
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the middle of the low country of South Carolina where
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you can just pull up and park and walk around.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And apparently, well, now I want to take a field trip.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I've already been to the Meninda's house. Now I'd like
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to go to South Carolina. I want to walk on
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the Mozelle property. All right. Then Maggie was shot after Paul,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and Maggie was shot five times with a three hundred
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: blackout semi automatic rifle.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Five times in the head.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: No from behind, because she was struck while trying to flee.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: She was hitting the back and the back of the head.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's probably how they determined the order too.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It's because she's running right, and Paul probably was the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: position where he wasn't running right.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling Paul, well, Paul was probably caught
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: off guard. Right, he's in the kennels. He's probably like
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: feeding the dogs on snapchat. Right, he's not paying attention.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: His dad comes up close range and shoots him right
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: there in the dog kennels. My, I mean, I'm just speculating.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: This is all alleged, but I have a feeling that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Maggie heard the gun shot, the gunshot, came out, saw
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: what happened, and then took off and he grabbed He
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: used two different guns, So I can't tell if he
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: used two different guns.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Because you mentioned this the other day. And he's a hunter.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Now I learned he has a hunting property, right and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a house for hunting or whatever.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: He was on tons of guns, right, Okay, But here's
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: my question. Do you think that the intent was to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: kill the mom and the son or your son and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the mom happened to come upon.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I think you're right. Maybe he considered it as a
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: possibility because Paul was in the boating accident. Paul committed
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: a murder by way of a boating accident. It was
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: going to tear the family apart in terms of the reputation,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: at least as far as the dad saw it. In
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: what mattered to him. And so Paul was a loose cannon.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: He was a loose end. He was a drunk, he
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was a snapping all the time. He was doing all
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: kinds of stuff.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Do you mean social media or do you mean like psychologically, Well, so.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: He's posting that he's drinking when he's just a mess.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: They probably can't keep it under control. And also you
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: didn't mention it. But the older son was in law
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: school at the time, at the same law school that
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the prior generations went, so he was carrying on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: family tradition. He was like the quote unquote smart one.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: He was the one that was doing what was probably
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: expected and hoped of the parents. Paul was a drinker,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: he was a menace, a partier, was always whatever whatever
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: was going on. And I know it sounded like they
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: were enabling him, right, They weren't caring for him. They
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: were just letting him do whatever. So he probably saw
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: him as less and thought, I'll kill him off. He'll
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: be he won't be a loose end, he won't be
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: convicted of murder.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: But see, but he called the mom and asked her
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to come to the hunting properties, so he must have
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: intended to kill the kids. So now I'm changing myself.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Because originally I thought he was going to eliminate both
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he and the reason she ran is because
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he's only one person, so he can only shoot one
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: at a time, so.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: He shoots all two guns. Yeah. Yeah, So I think he.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Had the guns positioned somewhere in the kennel hidden.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Well, then that might be why he had two guns. Maybe,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: depending on where they were, he planted two different guns.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe he planted the two different guns
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: because he was hoping it could be some type of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: like story that it was a couple of people that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Write different people.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, the guns were never found, so that's interesting to me.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: How he got rid of them so fast.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Well, he's got a big piece of property. This is
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: not his first rodeo he does.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he did it. They did show
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: on the cell phone data that his phone was like
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: either turned off or like completely inactive for hours and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: hours and hours, and then right after the murders happened,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: then it showed like two hundred and eighty six like
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: steps like all of a sudden on his on his
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: cell phone.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: He turned it while he was running or something.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know either, He was like either, I don't know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: but it showed like a huge amount of activity.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: All we've turned your phone off.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I don't turn my phone off. Nobody turns their phone off.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: At the most you reboot it. Yeah right, and you
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: don't even do that, but if you, you would reboot
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it so it'd be off for like a minute.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. What people need to do is they need to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: not turn their phone off. You just have to leave
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it somewhere. You just can't have a cell phone on it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: And put it in an uber and let it drive
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: around for a while, create an alibi, and then get back.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: That's brilliant. Just put it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Put it in an uber.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know, all right, to a squirrel, let it
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: run around.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Okay. Both weapons were family owned firearms, though neither gun
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: was ever recovered. They did during the investigation, they did
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: find the shell casings. They and then they claimed that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: they found other shell casings on the same property that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: matched those shell casings. So that was more evidence against
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Alex during his trial.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Evidence.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So during this time period, his alibi was he claimed
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that he had gone to his mother's house, who suffers
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: from dementia, so that's what his alibi was.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: He claimed that he was his is my mother that
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't remember anything, right, Trust trust me? Right.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So then Alex calls nine to one one, sounding distraught,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: while reporting that he had just returned home to find
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul shot near the kennel's. Deputies arrive and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: find Paul well that I just arrived, ye, she says,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I just arrived right. Deputies arrive and find Paul's body
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: inside the feed room at the kennels, and Maggie's body
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: is about thirty feet away. Both were obviously deceased. Alex
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: tells the officers that he had been visiting his mother
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: when the murders happened. He immediately speculates that they were
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: tarted over Paul's boat crash case, saying, my son has
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: been getting threats and then they began investigating. So the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: boat is really a catalyst of like the boat crash
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of the murders. I believe because I think you're right.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I think I think Paul going on trial is a
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: bad thing because I think Paul knows things about his dad.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Not only does he know his drug habit.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I talk about you, right, that Paul was probably aware
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of because he was the one that was always home.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: The other one's out living a normal life, right, and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: he's a drunk and he's at home, right, so he
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: knows things.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So we're going to get into the what happened to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Gloria Sadderfield, who is the housekeeper who had died back
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, So we're gonna have to take a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: little trip back in time. But Paul was there that
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: day when she fell, and my I'm just speculating, but
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I think Paul knows what happened to Gloria Sadderfield, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the dad knows that if Paul goes on trial, he
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: might have loose lips and start talking about things.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And then so keep in mind, because we talked about
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the boating murder, which was Mallory, and then the housekeeper
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: murder was.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't know if that's a murder. That was
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: never that was never breaking news. It was a murder,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: it was well, it was never confirmed a murder, but
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: we can talk.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: About it, Okay. It was a murder like scene that
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: was one year before the boating accident. Yes, I mean,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: that's that's right. There. You have a family that within
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: one year less than one year, there's two deaths, right,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: one in their home and one on their boat. Right, right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Let's leave it at that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Gloria Saderfield since we got into that
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: for a little bit. First of all, when we were
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: talking about the Hulu dramatization earlier, this is what I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: don't like about it. And you and I were watching it,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and you picked up on it before I did. The
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Hulu dramatization shows the boat crash of twenty nineteen.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: How it starts.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: That's how it starts. Then it shows several scenes in
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: conversations after the fact of Paul with Gloria.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Sadderfields throughout She's a series.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Throughout the entire thing. The problem is Gloria Sadderfield fell
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: down the stairs a year prior, a year prior in
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. So this is why I don't like this dramatization,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: because it's not just like conversations where people are using
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: creativity to say. They put her into a into a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: scenario that she wasn't around for. They have her talking
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to Paul about the boat crash. I believe Paul takes
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: her car to drive to the boat crash scene. He
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: calls her there's all these conversations.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: She's heavily involved in this in two thousand and nine,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: helping the family along during this time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Right, this is completely inaccurate. She was.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: There.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they did that either, but to me,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it illegitimizes it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: It's like if it's like, what else is inaccurate? Right?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: If you're taking someone who died in twenty eighteen and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: inserting them in scenes that took place in twenty nineteen,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: then I don't find this credible anyway. That really bothers
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a lot. So just warning you, I'm not a fan
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of the dramatization because of that. That's just too left
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: field for me, that you're inserting someone into scenes that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't even alive at the time. All right, let's just
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: talk about what happened with Gloria a little bit.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: So we're just going so we're going back in time.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Are you're prior to the boating murder.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: We're going to go back to twenty eighteen because I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: think that makes the most sense. So Gloria Sadderfield was
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the wait.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Can I say this? Yeah, there's the boating accident, which
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: we talked about first. Yes, subsequent to that, there was
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the mother and the son who was the boating under
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: the influenced kid then prior to that, so now we
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: have some other everything else is being highlighted like people
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: are going back in time highlighting the boat murder and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: highlighting the housekeeper's death right and say murder, right, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: then the other one too.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Right, So we're going to go back to twenty eighteen.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: So Gloria Sadderfield was the Murdaw's longtime housekeeper. She allegedly
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: fell on the steps of the family's Mozella estate and
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I remember that's their hunting law and later died from
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: her injuries. The Murdaws claimed she tripped over the family
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: dogs while walking up the steps. Gloria did not die
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: at the scene, but she was unable to tell anyone
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened before she passed due to her injuries.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I believe she spent like a week in the hospital
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and was never able to fully communicate. Alex Murdau encouraged
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Gloria's sons to sue him for wrongful death, claiming that
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: he would ensure that they received the insurance settlement. This
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: is really interesting to me because this is a very
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: elaborate scheme. And this is why I do not think
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: that this was an accident. First of all, he took
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: out an umbrella policy on the hunting lodge on that
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: property one month before her.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Oh really, one month before he'd had another policy.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm well, I'm saying it legally it has not
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: been confirmed a murder, but I'm saying he took out
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: an insurance policy one month before she fell down the stairs. Also,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: when he told investigators what happened, he made sure to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: tell investigators that she was not there that day working
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: in the scope of being a housekeeper.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that way it falls within the in policy, right,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: otherwise it'd be a work comp claim exactly, doesn't pay
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: much at all.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Right, He said that she was only there to pick
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: something up or to drop something off, not working as
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a housekeeper. Also, it was found out later that the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: dogs had nothing to do with her fall. That he
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: inserted the dogs into this whole scenario so that it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: would be a property claim because it's like his dogs
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that lived on the property caused the injury. Therefore it
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: would fall under these umbrella policies. So then he goes
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: to her sons and says, hey, I want to help
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you out. Why don't you sue my estate and I'll
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: represent you and.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Then you'll get you know, insurance consulting.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Right, So then he brings on like another attorney. He's
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: sending letters, and some financial advisor guy too, they're in
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: on it as well. And then he's he's constantly on
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the insurance company. He's sending them letters demanding payment with
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: his name on it, his own letterhead. Yes, he's representing
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: them against himself, which I don't even understand ethics.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Against his Well, he's the policy holder. He's not suing himself.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: He's suing the insurance company. But he's the policy holder, right.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that's a conflict of interest. I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: don't understand how ethically you can even represent.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: You're wondering about ethics this, I no, not at all.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: The man has no ethics. I mean he's a monster,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. I'm just saying, like, why
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the bar wasn't I mean, I guess this guy just
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: does whatever he wants, and you know, he's so used
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: to it. It doesn't no one's anyway. So he represents
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: them against himself and in his insurance policies and then
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: he ends up collecting over four million dollars from these
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: different I think it was four point I saw four
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: point and four point three, but over four tax free
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: takes the money again, I think he deposits it into
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that account he calls like the Forge account and then
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: continues to tell the brother the sons that they haven't
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: received settlement payments.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like still I'm hounding them. I'm waiting, right, So
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: there you go.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: All I know is I know it wasn't it. It
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: hasn't been classified as a murder. He wasn't prosecuted for
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it as a murder. But the fact that he took
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: out a numbrella insurance policy a month before, the fact
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that she fell down the stairs and had like blunt
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: force trauma to her head, and that he immediately offered
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to represent and sue. But the question is was he
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: there at the time, because he claims that he wasn't.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: There, It doesn't matter. He said it all up.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: But then who pushed or through her or no? But
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: he set it up I know anyway, Again, Paul was
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: definitely there and the mom was definitely there. So again
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that leads me to believe that maybe that's why he
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: ended up murdering the mom and the brother because again
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want anything to come out about what happened
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: to Gloria Sadderfield, and maybe they were both loosened in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the Gloria Sadfield situations. Right, So there you go. That
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: was twenty eighteen. That was one year before the voting accident.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: We'll just go back a little bit in January of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. This is when his trial starts. On
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: February first, prosecutors play a video taken by Paul Murdall
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: on the night he was killed. Alex Murdall's voice can
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: clearly be heard in the background, contradicting his claim that
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: he was not at the crime scene that night. So
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that was at eight forty four pm, which places him there.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: In March of twenty twenty three, after weeks of testimony,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: jurors deliberated for less than three hours before returning guilty
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: verdicts on all four charges. Murdall was facing two counts
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: of murder and two counts of possession of a weapon
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: and the commission of a violent crime. He is sentenced
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the next day to life in prison. Now this has
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: happened recently in twenty twenty five. In May fourteenth of
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the former Colton County Clerk of court.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: That was a lot of That was a lot of sees.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Do you hear that?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Colton County Clerk of court. Her name is Becky Hill.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: She is arrested and charged with obstructing justice and two
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: counts of misconduct and one count of perjury related to
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Alex Murdaw's murder trial. She was the clerk of court
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: at the time, but she was writing a book about
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the criminal trial, and she was also making inappropriate comments
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to jurors to persuade them to find a guilty verdict.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So the question is, right, what's the legal standard? Was
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: what she did? Would that have altered the outcome?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division they call it SLED.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: SLED had been investigating her over allegations of jury tampering
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: in the trial well and Murdaw's legal team requested a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: new trial based on those allegations. The trial court denied
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: it at the time. However, this is where we're at currently,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: This is twenty twenty five. This is where we're at
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: with his life sentenced and his conviction. His defense attorneys
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: appealed to the South Carolina Supreme Court. Both sides issued briefs,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and now it is currently they took on the case
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and now it's currently with the South Carolina Supreme Court
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to decide whether he's entitled to a new trial based
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: upon her being found guilty of jury tampering and persuading
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the jury. So that's in limbo right now. It's with
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the South Carolina Supreme Court, and there is no deadline.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: They don't have a deadline.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: They can just decide to look at it. Look, they
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: can look at.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: It when they want to look at it, and they
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: can schedule the worlds.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Let him serve twenty years first, then we'll look at it. Right.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: The next step if they move forward at all with
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: this would be to schedule or oral arguments for both sides.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: So basically, either they'll ignore it and let it just
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: go on and on and on and not do anything
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: about it, where they will schedule oral arguments. But right
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: now his case is with the South Carolina Supreme Court.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: So that's where we're at with that. All Right, one
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: last death on going further back, right, going even further
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: back now we're going to go back to twenty fifteen.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Is the death of Steven Smith, which occurred on July
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: eighth of two thoy and fifteen. Now, his death was
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: just immediately ruled a hit and run. He was found
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: dead in the on the kind of in the middle
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: of the road actually with like blunt force trauma to
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: his head. But there were many people that believed it
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't a hit and run because I guess there were
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: no skid marks on the you know, on the road,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and his shoes were still intact.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Which I hit and run with those skid marks. Yeah, Well,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: they were.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Saying that it didn't look like a typical hit and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: run looks like and I guess because he still had
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: his shoes on. I didn't know this. I'd never heard
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: this before, but I guess when people are hit with
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: high velocity impact they take their shoes, but their shoes
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: come off. I guess that's a common thing. But anyway,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: his shoes key boots fell off.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Once when I got hit by another skier. Oh really,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the same thing, Yeah, yeah, actually skis Yeah yeah, they
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: hit your out fast, very hard, knocked out of me. Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and your ski boots flew off. No, I flew out
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: of the ski boots all the ski boots down the hill. Yes,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: they were still they were fine.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just went out of them, yes, all right.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: So Stephen Smith was a nineteen year old nursing student
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: who was found dead in the middle of a rural
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: road in Hampton County, South Carolina. This again was back
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. Steven's body had severe head trauma, but
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: no vehicular debris was found, and his loose fitting shoes
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: still remained on his feet. South Carolina Law Enforcement Division
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: initially declines the case and defers it to the Highway Patrol,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: saying that it's a hit and run, even though despite
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: there being suspicious circumstances, the official determination leans toward hit
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and run. Then, for a year or so, the investigation
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: stalls unfounded. Rumors circulate that Buster Murdall may be connected
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: to the case, as his name appears multiple times in
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: investigative notes. So while they're investigating this, they're talking to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like a bunch of kids, right because this guy, this
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: kid's young. So there, and it shows in the documentary
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of recorded conversations with these kids in
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the area, and they're all bringing up Buster Murdall's name.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I heard it was Buster. I heard it was Buster.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I heard Buster and this kid, Stephen Smith, who was gay.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Buster was the older son, right right.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: But this is back in twenty fifteen, so he's not
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: in law school yet. But people were saying that they
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: had heard rumors that, you know, Buster was allegedly involved
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: with him romantically, and you know, maybe that was the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: intent to you know, I don't know. No one is
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: charged in the Smith family believe Stephen was murdered and
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: that the investigation was influenced or mishandled. Now they reopened
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the case after the murders of Maggie and Paul because
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: while they are investigating the murders of Maggie and Paul,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: something comes up during this investigation that leads them back
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to Steven Smith. I don't know what they've I've never
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: seen anywhere where they've elaborated on that.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Well, probably just the fact that there's murders all around
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: this family. I don't want to look into all of them.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's it. I think that there's specific details.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Something comes up during the investigation that leads them back
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: because they exoom the body.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, because at the time of that hit and run
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was, the murdocks were not well witnesses.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: This reference buster. But that's as far as it got.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were just kids saying they heard rumors. Right,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: So they're talking and this is back in twenty fifteen.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: This is prior to all these other killings.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: So for whatever reason that connection was made, whether it
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: was those witness statements.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Right. So then in twenty twenty one, when they are
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: investigating the murders of Maggie and Paul, there is evidence
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: that comes forward that leads them back to the Stephen
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Smith hit and run or murder, whatever you want to
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: call it, and they reopen the case and they actually
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: exhume his body.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Is that for a job title body bodies? I can't.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I you know what, every time I read something that
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a body was exhumed, like years later, I'm like, who
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: is the person that opens the casket? That's what I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: want to know? Who does that?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know?
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Would you ever want to be that person?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: No?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Me neither, because first of all, I don't even know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna find? I don't like you
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: open it? What's in there?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I know?
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: But I mean, what's it gonna look like? Like?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: How much botox and fillery.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Out if anybody wants to exhume my body, I'm just
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: gonna look just like this. So Sled releases a statement
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: confirming Steven Smith's death is being investigated as a homicide,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: not a hit and run. This comes after forensic review
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: and pressure from Smith's family and their legal team. The
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Smith family raises money to exzoom Steven's body for an
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: independent autopsy. Doctor Aaron Presnell. Original autopsy from twenty fifteen
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: is heavily scrutinized for ruling blunt force head trauma as
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: caused by the vehicle impact. So Then, in April of
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, after the body was exhumed, a second
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: autopsy is performed. The findings are not publicly publicly released,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: but reinforce foul play. Then in July of twenty twenty five,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: this is the most recent thing I could find. I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: don't think that Buster Murdall was involved in this. I
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: think that this family is so prominent, and everybody knows
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: their names, and everybody knows Buster Murdall, and everybody knows
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Paul Murdall, and these have bad reputations and they get
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: away with everything. I think it was I think it
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: was just a rumor mill that spread naming Buster probably
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the right something like that, like that was kind of
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the five. So now the there's two persons of interest.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: They haven't been charged with any but there was a
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: guy named Patrick Wilson and another guy named Sean Connolly
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: have been repeatedly discussed in nationwide reporting regarding this murder case.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: A confidential source close to Patrick Wilson provided an exclusive
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: first hand account detailing Wilson's confession the day Steven Smith died.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Patrick reportedly told the source, I think we hit somebody.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I think we killed someone before vomiting multiple times. I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: think they were out driving. I think this is just
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: me speculating. I don't know, but I think they were driving,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: probably driving fast, maybe they were driving drunk. And then
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I think the mirror on the side of a big
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: truck maybe hit him in the head and that's what
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: caused the blunt force trauma. But this interview and all
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: other interviews pertaining to Steven Smith have been handed over
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to SLED and no one has officially been convicted yet.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: That was the most recent article I could find. This
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: is July of twenty twenty five, so we don't know
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: what's going on. There obviously haven't released any information, and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Steven Smith. So we'll just
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: continue to follow that to see if anything else comes out.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this has never really been tied to it, then, no,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: there was just I think that I think.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: The actual investigation was clouded by the rumors that it
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: was Buster murdaal and I think he I don't think
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: he had anything to do with that.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Sum Up, we have the house keeper two thousand and
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: eight fell down the stairs. Yes, and he helped her
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: children sue his insurance company and gave them nothing and
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: kept it all right. And then there's a boating murder
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. He does everything he can to help
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: cover it up, including killing his son and wife.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't know if that's the reason. We're just speculating,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: but yes, in twenty twenty one, what it was, well
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: it changed.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it's confenced.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: That's why. That's the reason.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, he had an opioid addiction, that that's where a
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: lot of the money was.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Well you know what, yeah, well you know what I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: read and I don't even understand this. I read that
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: he said in an interview that he was spending close
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to fifty thousand dollars a week on opioids. How is
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: that possible?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Because his joy dealer knows he has money, and he
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: probably charges him a premium. He was paying whatever it took.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: That dealer knew he was hooked and he had money,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter. It was a lot of drugs
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and that guy was burning a lot of money and
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: taking them. Yeah, he's probably taking him every hour at
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: that rate.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's insane. Fifty thousand dollars a week, yeah,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I know, on a drug habit. Yeah, I mean his
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: drug dealer's got to be like driving around in a
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: he's still trying cases, like he's still like functioning. All right,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: There's one more thing that we have to talk about.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: This man is so whacked but so good at defrauding
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: insurance companies that he has another attempt to defraud an
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: insurance company by coming up with a scheme. This is
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, where he's going to He is
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: so his drug dealer, who's also like a distant cousin
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: of his. They call him cousin Eddie. I guess they
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: can cock some plan where Alex Murdall is going to
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: be on the side of the road and has like
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: a flat tire or something, and then the cousin's supposed
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: to come along and shoot him in the head, which
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: would be a murder. So then that Buster Murdoch can
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: collect ten million dollars in insurance money.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: So this was the way he wanted to kill himself
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: because of his drug addiction or something.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't I don't know. Did he get shot, yeah,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: but we I still don't know if he shot himself
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: or if Eddie shot him. Because shot in the head, yeah,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: but it didn't it didn't go through like a skull
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: or anything. It was a surface, superficial shot that has
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: kind of grazed. So and it's still unknown to me.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I tried to find it out, but
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I can't really tell what exactly happened, whether he shot
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: himself or whether cousin Eddie shot him. But on September
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: fourth of twenty twenty one, Alex Murdoch calls nine to
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: one one and reports that he was shot while on
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: the side of the road fixing a flat tire. He
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: was taken to a hospital where he was treated for
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: a superficial gunshot wound to the head. Court documents alleged
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: that Murdaw's roadside shooting was part of an arrangement in
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: which he hired someone to kill him so that his
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: surviving son, Buster, could collect a life insurance payout of
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: about ten million dollars. I tell you, that's where you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: are so.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Crazy, Wow, while he was committing suicide, right, well, we
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: believe one possible scenario was he was trying to commit
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: suicide but by way of staging it as a murder, Yeah,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: to collect insurance.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Fun So he stages this suicide attempt or murder or
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. This is after he
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: murdered his wife and son and is about to go
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: on trial, so maybe that was his way of avoiding trial.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: He was like, I'm just gonna like, I'm gonna have
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: this guy shoot me in the head and take me out,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna leave Buster ten million dollars.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Fifty thousand dollars worth of opioids while I'm in prison.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: He can't, Yeah, right, How am I going to scam
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: people out of their lawsuits? I can't? Right?
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Then, Curtis Edward Smith, who is a cousin of Alex
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the guy they call cousin Eddie is the one who
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: allegedly shot him. Many thought Curtis was Alex's drug dealer
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: and co conspirator in the shady business deals and money schemes.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: So in June, this is a crazy timeline. This guy
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: is just like busy where he's busy. This man is
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a busy man. I wonder he has to take so
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: many opioids in order to be able to wake up
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: every day, get defraud everybody that he's defrauding, and kill his.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Family anyone that is getting in his way.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: He's got to take fifty thousand dollars a week in
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: opioids to be able to do all of that. So
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: this is June of twenty twenty two where he's indicted
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: on the two counts of criminal conspiracy. That's to get
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the ten million dollars in life insurance funds for Buster.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Then in July of twenty twenty two, that's when he's
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: indicted on two counts of murder for his son and
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: his wife, and the two weapons counts in connection with
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: those twenty twenty one killings. All right, so let's talk
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: about where Buster Murda is currently. He's the only remaining
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: son He's not only is he the only remaining son,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: he's the only remaining.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Bird Dog family, right, the only offspring left.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: So Buster went from being a member of one of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: South Carolina's most well known families to living a life
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: in near isolation, cutting off contact from most of his
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: social circle following his mother and brother's deaths. He really
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: withdrew after everything happened, a former college roommate told People
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Magazine in twenty twenty two. He has really closed off
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: and built walls around himself. I mean, I don't blame
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the guy. Can you imagine. I mean, oh, your mother's murdered,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: your brother's murdered, your dad goes on trial for murdering
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: your mom and your brother. You're implicated, and this all
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: this crime against I'm.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Not going to hire you that you had all these
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: hopes for you, Like I'm going to work with my
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: dad's law firm, Pimped And then they don't want to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: hire you. They're like, no, thank you.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: So Buster has never returned to Mozelle or his family's
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: beach house on a Deesto Island, where his mother was
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: staying before her death. He also avoids his hometown of Hampton.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: He claims, I get stopped and yelled at all the time.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I got cussed at in a gas station the other day,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Buster told his father in a taped jailhouse phone call.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: To escape, Buster moved into his girlfriend, Brooklyn White, South
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Carolina condo. The longtime couple went on to purchase a
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: home together in bluffed in, South Carolina in May of
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Does Buster believe his dad?
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: He does that.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I thought that was crazy, but maybe he needs to.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, he believes that his dad's innocent, and the
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: murders of his.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Mom, well, if Rouster was familiar with the other murders
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: and that shady stuff was going in the family, then
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: maybe he's just, you know, complying and being part of
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: it to cover up.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Buster has stood by his father, maintaining his innocence during
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and after his trial. In an interview with Fox Nation
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: in August of twenty twenty three, Buster doubled down on
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: his stands that his father was innocent and did not
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: belong in prison. I do not think that he could
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: be affiliated with endangering my mother and brother. We have
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: been here for a while now and that's been my stance.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Buster added that he believed his father's trial was not
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: fair and that pre trial publicity led the jury to
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: form predetermined opinions about him. I think that I told
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: a very unique perspective that nobody else in the courtroom
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: ever held. And I know the love that I have witness,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Buster said, referencing his father's loving relationship with his family.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Buster also told Fox Nation that he believes the killer
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: is still on the loose and that his safety is
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: at risk as a result. I think I set myself
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: up to be safe, but yes, when I go to
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: bed at night, I have a fear that there is
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: somebody that is still out there, he shared.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: How could that be? I mean the simple fact that
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: he the dad calls nine one one and tells the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: police I arrived and they were murdered. Yeah, and then
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: there's snap video, right, which is time stamps of him
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: talking in a casual tone prior to the him being murdered. Right.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. That's why I was saying,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: do you think it's a psychological thing? Where because his
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: mother is now dead and his brother is dead, and
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: he has no one else in the world, maybe psychologically
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: he needs to believe that maybe Dad's.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Silence Dad's still controlling everything, and I mean, really, what
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: he needs to do is if he could get all
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: the properties, sell them all and go move to some
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: other town and start over.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: You know. Also, Buster was kicked out of law school,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: so he never graduated from law school. I guess he
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: was kicked out for plagiarizing, so he did not finish
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: law school. And also I do know that he currently
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: has lawsuits I believe against Netflix and Hulu and maybe
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: some other media outlets because he claims that they defamed
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: him by alleging that he was involved in Steven Smith's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: murder in twenty fifteen, and that that's ruined his reputation
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that he had nothing to do with it, that he
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't involved, and so we'll see what happens with that
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: as well. That's tricky because they did play actual recorded
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: interviews with people where they say that it was a
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: rumor and they heard that it was Buster. But they
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: played multiple interviews of people alleging that it was Buster.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: And the question is is that considered defamation or is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: that an opinion or.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Is that it depends on how they word. Yeah. So
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: with that said, everything I said earlier was alleged is.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: That your caveat at the end.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Sorry buster.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, we have now come to the conclusion of the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: twisted and crazy tale of Alex Murda and the murder murders.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: So if you have anything to add to that, any
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: more murders that come up in the South Carolina area
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: that might be tied to murder, make sure.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: You do me and let me know. Also, I feel
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: like we should plan I llegally Brunette field trip to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the Low Country of South Carolina, because apparently you can
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: just walk onto the Lozell property and just walk around,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: take a look and take photos like it's an amusement park.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: So see that you don't want to see that? I would?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I do?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: You don't even we go to universities and you won't
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: go to a fake hanted house and you're gonna go
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: see like a real place where someone was murdered and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: brain manners splattered everywhere.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: That I'm fine with. Yeah, I don't like makes you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fine with. All right. Thanks guys for listening
• 1:02:03
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• 1:02:05
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• 1:02:10
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• 1:02:13
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