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- 0:01OK, good morning. We are starting kufpe tet.
- 0:05All right, so this is it's a long Simon.
- 0:08It's all about vesit vesit kavua, vesit chaina kavua.
- 0:13So I'm just going to start off with a short hakdama.
- 0:17Just it'll it'll help put this in perspective and maybe you'll
- 0:21re listen for a short review. It'll be a drop of review from
- 0:26what we learned and but mostly, mostly new stuff.
- 0:31OK, so we learned that the vest at the right, there's the the
- 0:37moxor, there's the 30 day cycle, whatever the normal cycle is the
- 0:41vest, it's when, when there's the flow, right?
- 0:45Once every approximately 30 days, whatever it is.
- 0:48And so is there a set time or not?
- 0:53So and then we learned previously that whenever she has
- 0:57her vested, whenever it's expected, we're going to learn
- 1:00more details then the right, the husband and wife, they need to
- 1:05be separated at least for tashmish for that Ona right?
- 1:10The other stuff's mahalkas, but like hugging and kissing, but
- 1:14there's one Ona in particular. They have to be separate now.
- 1:18Sometimes you have to be Koshish for numeral numerous different
- 1:24vestos or you know, there's the vested, the Khodesh vested, a
- 1:28flaga, A guff, whatever it is. So sometimes you have to worry
- 1:31for multiple times. There's Ona Bain on it.
- 1:33We're going to discuss, but whatever that period is, there's
- 1:38one Ona of 12 hours, basically sunrise to sunset or sunset to
- 1:45sunrise. And that's when they have to be
- 1:48separate for one Ona. OK, so that's the din.
- 1:51That's a clear din Halacha la maisa that it's there's one
- 1:55period of 12 hours la culi alma. The question is there's there is
- 2:03a coma of keeping in or a second minority opinion.
- 2:08The halacha. It's not the amiqar adin.
- 2:10There's the extra ona before, right?
- 2:13We learned from the Orzarua. He's the famous one pointing it
- 2:17out. Orzarua says you get an extra 12
- 2:19hours, not only the Obna itself, that day or night is a whole
- 2:25extra day or night before the extra 12 hours preceding.
- 2:29So what's Halaq Alamaisa on that one?
- 2:31So really it depends who you ask.
- 2:36So for example, Araka Shokhan, Abadi Youssef and many
- 2:41Ashkenazim, basically when they teach it, they don't teach that.
- 2:45They when they teach to be mafish for one or another, they
- 2:47don't teach the khumra or the of the Orizurua or they let you
- 2:51know about that there is a khumra in the orizurua.
- 2:54So that's what many will teach. Either they don't either they
- 2:58don't mention it or they mention it as a Midas Hasidas.
- 3:02Then the second group will be, they'll say 1.
- 3:06Should it's to be Mahmir, it's preferred.
- 3:09It's better to be Mahmir unless there's a need.
- 3:13That's basically the wording from the egress Moshe and
- 3:17Benishkai. So that's benzo.
- 3:21You ask both. He goes on the trip.
- 3:25Well, so those are details when you don't, well, there's
- 3:27exceptions to the rules when you might not have to keep it or
- 3:30not. So it's when you're going on a
- 3:32trip. So it's a machocus even for the
- 3:34first the, the Iker Ona. And so then we're gonna, I'll
- 3:37just point out since you, you jumped the gun a little bit
- 3:41regarding this Orzarua. So most opinions, again, depends
- 3:45who you ask, but most opinions are not when they're Mahmir for
- 3:48the Orzarua. They're not Mahmir when it's too
- 3:52difficult or maybe go on a trip, the husband's leaving or they
- 3:57don't be, or for the 31st day, which we're going to get to
- 4:00later. The Ona benunit.
- 4:02We all know that it's 30 days, but there's an opinion that
- 4:05holds 31. I think Sachavasdas is is known
- 4:09as the Havas 31 days. So many will teach that it's for
- 4:15the Onna Benonis. Not only do you keep 30, but you
- 4:18should also keep the 30th day. Sorry, 31st day, right?
- 4:2430th day means 29 days later and the 31st day means 30 days later
- 4:30because it's always you're counting when she saw the first
- 4:33time and when the 30th day includes when she first saw the
- 4:37blood, the bleeding. So it's you add 29 or 30 days.
- 4:41So again, the Mikar did and we all hold 30 days.
- 4:43I know you add 29 days, which is the 30th day Yam Shoshim.
- 4:48But so some are Mahmir and so some teach to be Mahmir.
- 4:52Also for that 31st generally Spartan, they're not Mahmir for
- 4:55it and Mang Ashkenazim, it depends who you you know against
- 4:59who you ask or who's teaching. And so many times they'll point
- 5:03out again, there's different, you know, different opinions on
- 5:06how much they stress the khumra. But OK, so that's the same
- 5:10similar concept by the Orizurua and that 31st day, I think, OK,
- 5:20what else I want to put? And some depends who they teach,
- 5:23if they're teaching someone who's, you know, more of a
- 5:25Bentara or someone who's more, you know, Hamon AM or different
- 5:31background. So then it depends who they
- 5:33teach, depends on the Kahila, the Khule.
- 5:35And OK, let's move on now. I just want a list about
- 5:42different types of Vestos. OK, so I have a list of maybe
- 5:4610, but again, it depends on how you break it up.
- 5:50So the one that we're one that we're all familiar with is
- 5:54Vestit Hafluga. So the the interval days.
- 5:58So it's let's say she has it every 20th day, every 25th day,
- 6:02every 30th day, whatever it is. So then that's that would make
- 6:07it so if it happens an established pattern.
- 6:10So you can get a vested Kavua for that or we'll see.
- 6:14OK, well, let's just continue. So that's one category vested
- 6:18haflaga. Now under the category of vested
- 6:20haflaga is also Ona Beno needs that's the same thing.
- 6:24It's every 30th day, OK, Vesit hakodesh, that's the based on
- 6:29the day of the month, the calendar, right?
- 6:31The first of the month or second or whatever it is, it's every
- 6:341st of the month. OK Vesit hashavua is another
- 6:38one. So that's basically it's always
- 6:40the exact same number. If it's if there is a vesakovua
- 6:44for this vesit hashavua means it's always the same number of
- 6:48weeks and always the same day of the week.
- 6:50It's every Wednesday, for example, every fourth or fifth
- 6:53Wednesday. So that would be that's what we
- 6:55would call a veset Shiva. Veset Diluk.
- 6:58You wouldn't say that it's the the she has a vessel for 28 days
- 7:02or 35 days. I mean, is there enough Kamena?
- 7:11Good point. Maybe not.
- 7:14OK, All right. I'm not sure if there what's
- 7:16enough. If there is enough Kamena.
- 7:18OK. Veset Veseta Diluk.
- 7:21Why don't you let me know later? Vested at D look is when the
- 7:26days change a little bit. In other words, the first, but
- 7:29there's a pattern obviously has to be a set pattern.
- 7:32So the first, if it goes by days, so it could be 25 and the
- 7:36next month is 26, then it's 27. So it could be established.
- 7:39And then it's 28. Once you have this haflug of
- 7:43three times. So obviously for a flug, we're
- 7:46going to you need 4 dates because you need a starting to
- 7:49create three same intervals. So if it's 252627, then you know
- 7:55the next time she has when the a day 28 comes, right, whatever
- 8:00this example was 2527. So then 28 she has to be
- 8:03mouthfish. So that's a pattern based on so
- 8:07that's deal. Now it could be one day
- 8:08difference. It could be two days difference,
- 8:10whatever the pass set pattern is, but that's deal look, and it
- 8:13could also be by the month. One month it's Aleph and then
- 8:17the next month it'll be beis on the on the calendar and then the
- 8:20next month it'll be the third. So these are all Vesit.
- 8:24That's that's it. These are all it's really it's a
- 8:27it's a it's it's called Vesita Diluk, but it's a Diluk.
- 8:30Oh, Vesita Kodesh or Vesita Shavua.
- 8:33Vesit has to say rug is when it skips a month.
- 8:37Let's say she has a period every other month or whatever.
- 8:39The pattern's going to be set for every other month, and then
- 8:42we're going to see some of this inside or all of that.
- 8:45Si rug. Si rug sameth.
- 8:49Yeah. Si ruk sameth.
- 8:51Yudh reshvav ghimal. Veset hagoof is the next
- 8:54category. So there's two types of veset
- 8:57hagoof. So the first types of veset
- 8:59hagoof is when the body itself gives you a sign.
- 9:05Everyone calls it veset hagoof. When the body calls, it gives
- 9:08you a sign. There is, for example, a woman
- 9:12could be shivering, could be cramps in the lower abdomen, in
- 9:16the pelvis or whatever it is, hot flashes, hiccups, sneezing,
- 9:20having flatulence, yawning, headaches.
- 9:22So these are all, I mean, not nauseous.
- 9:26These are all I these are all things that if it's that could
- 9:30become a vested hagoof again, depends has to be like it's
- 9:36obvious that this is an unusual amount.
- 9:38That's that's when she gets this unusual amount, perhaps tied to
- 9:43a particular day. So then that's when it becomes,
- 9:47it could become established or you have to worry about it.
- 9:50So that's Vesita goof. OK, the next category, some call
- 9:55it Vesita goof and some call it Vesita onus.
- 9:58It's the same thing. But this it's not it's not a
- 10:04sign from the body itself telling you it's or it's
- 10:10somewhat category vested A goof. The first one was a seman and
- 10:13this is vested A goof or it's a siba.
- 10:16The woman is doing something that causes it to happen or some
- 10:20people call it just vested onus. So she could be jumping,
- 10:24exercising, carrying a heavy load, these things that she does
- 10:29something that causes it to come.
- 10:32And the Rama adds, it's from the Gemara that also eating spicy
- 10:37foods can also cause can. If it causes it, then it can be
- 10:43one of the causes that establishes A vested ha goof or
- 10:46a vested ha onus. Now don't get mixed up.
- 10:49These vested ha goofs is not the Hargasha that we learnt that
- 10:53makes the flow of blood. What's it called?
- 10:58Enidar or as zava Dai raisa, that's Hargasha.
- 11:03That's a certain type of Hargasha that she feels.
- 11:07Again, some of those things might apply or not.
- 11:10Generally it has to be cramps or she feels it opening.
- 11:14But the Hagasha that makes blood, that's in Dinder Isa,
- 11:18that's when it's felt exactly at the time when the blood leaves
- 11:25and the right and the opening or cervix opens up and the blood
- 11:29comes out. That's the Hagasha that we're
- 11:31talking about over there here. Most of these examples of vesita
- 11:36guff are completely not relevant to the hagasha that she feels of
- 11:40the cervix opening up completely.
- 11:42Nothing relevant. Also, these are all examples of
- 11:44things that happen that it'll usually 'cause it, whether it's
- 11:485 minutes later, an hour later, whatever the woman knows but has
- 11:51nothing to do with Hagasha. OK, don't get mixed up.
- 11:55Another example would be Vesit Lescha OTT for let's it's going
- 12:03to be in Gilmo. We'll explain when we get there
- 12:05what Shaot might be referring to.
- 12:08OK, Vesit Kafu, where these are just a couple names that are
- 12:14mentioned. Vesit Kafu's like she would have
- 12:17the same pattern twice within let's say 130 days.
- 12:21OK, it's not so common, but let's say every 15 days she
- 12:24would have a repeat of the same thing.
- 12:26So that could be anyway, it's just a name that's out there.
- 12:30Another category. What?
- 12:33Oh, period. Let's say she has the same
- 12:34period every. Let's say she.
- 12:36Exactly. So I'm going to call that vested
- 12:38that kafu just in case You you we come across that word.
- 12:41That's yeah. Vested.
- 12:44Hamarkov is more common where it's a combination of two
- 12:47different ones. OK, OK.
- 12:52Now, I wouldn't, I wouldn't just put it down.
- 12:54I wouldn't know if I didn't see anyone write it as a separate
- 12:56category, but we'll see how it's related.
- 12:59You can have a vessel related to taking the pill or medication or
- 13:04stop taking the pill. OK, fine.
- 13:06So let's go on. Yeah, So it could be under that
- 13:13category too. Like I said, some of these are
- 13:17depends how you want to categorize it.
- 13:19One thing I just want to point out, which is interesting, we're
- 13:21going to get this. We're about to read it in a SEC
- 13:23for the for the Baino. Neat.
- 13:27Ona Benonit, we said is day 30, right?
- 13:30So is that a din that everyone agrees to?
- 13:33No. So happens happens to be the
- 13:35riff and the Rambam does not hold this ona benonit that for
- 13:39every if she doesn't have a vested kabua, she has to be
- 13:42mafrish for the 30th day. That's I think it's in the rush.
- 13:47But anyways, that is the halacha la maisa.
- 13:50Clearly it's in the shalkhanara. We're about to read it.
- 13:52So but that's just interesting that the owner Bejanit, which in
- 13:57some in some aspects were were more Mahmir for some things were
- 14:02less Mahmir than the other ones. But it's it's a Mahlokas if it
- 14:06exists. But anyways, Allah Kalamaisa
- 14:08does exist and OK, let's let's go on inside.
- 14:14So let's read Kovpeitat Aleph call Ishash in la vasit kavua.
- 14:21So a woman if she does not have a vested kavua not a set pattern
- 14:25that was established 3 times hosheshit liyong shloshim
- 14:29lirieta. So she has to be worried that
- 14:32she's going to get her vested. It's going to come on the 30th
- 14:36day. Shuhu ona benonit listam nashim
- 14:40So firstam nashim we say it's the 30th day.
- 14:43Fine and the Imeshla veset kavua lizman yadua ma estrem la estrem
- 14:51om cafe la cafe khosheshit lizman hayadua.
- 14:56So so if she has no veset kavua. So then we know there's three
- 15:01times in general, a woman has to be to be Mafrish from her
- 15:06husband for at least one ona, right?
- 15:11Some people say they're Mahmir for the Orzeru Adafka for the
- 15:15benonit. Anyways, so on that aspect,
- 15:18they're more strict with the benonit because they're more
- 15:21worried about it, even though there's a it's a Mahoka
- 15:23rishonim, if that one even exists.
- 15:25But anyways, right, Because also what I meant is to say is
- 15:32generally they're not mockpit like we said before for a double
- 15:35khumra or for Kubok Veneshuk for example, or anyways, back to
- 15:42here. So if no kavua, so they have to
- 15:47be worried for 3 * 1 is Benonit, the 30th day, one is Yoma Kodesh
- 15:54and the other one is Yom Haflaga, whatever the last
- 15:58interval was. So for women in general, doesn't
- 16:02have not a vested kavua, the three things she always has to
- 16:05worry about is the previous interval, Oona Benonit and Yoma
- 16:11Kodesh. And so here if she has a vesit
- 16:15kavua, one second vimesha vesa kavua.
- 16:19So whatever the day is, she has to be worried for for whatever
- 16:24the day is, all right. But it's based on the set
- 16:26interval. Fine happens to be the the Shah
- 16:33also writes again we everyone holds Lachlamaisa.
- 16:37We keep the 30 as Ona Benonit. The Shah doesn't hold of the Ona
- 16:40Benonit either. He says when the Shalkhanarak he
- 16:44reinterprets the shalkhanarak. But the other, according to the
- 16:47post, can don't agree that when he says Yomah Shoshim he really
- 16:50means Yomah Kodesh. Anyway, I am sham.
- 16:54Let's read bet inside Keitzad kovata.
- 16:58So how do we establish A vesit kavua kagon shatira araba pamim?
- 17:04So she has to see four times, like we mentioned ubineham
- 17:06shlosha zamanim shavim. And so she has three exact same
- 17:12intervals, the same number of days, right?
- 17:15So to have three intervals, you obviously need to have four
- 17:18times, but you need one before and one after.
- 17:20OK, so you know when to start counting and one to end
- 17:23counting. OK, go on sharada yomalova sof
- 17:27estrem Yom Pennsylvania maherat. So she sees one day, then she
- 17:30counts, and then she sees 20 days later sof estrem Yom.
- 17:34Well, day 20, which was 19 days later.
- 17:37But OK, the old la sof estrem Yom, again on the 20th day, the
- 17:42old la sof estrem Yom, and again on the 20th day for three times
- 17:46the zennikra vesit taflagot. And this is what we call vesit
- 17:50taflaga ullah sarika arbariot. So you need to see it four times
- 17:55times Sharia rishana in a minion.
- 17:57The first one doesn't count because it's intervals.
- 18:00How can it count? If you shayna there's no
- 18:04intervals but before she gets established so she's still.
- 18:11So it's a vesit shayna kavua hosheshit hosheshit shimiyat a
- 18:16harshitapam akashit. So then the first time she sees
- 18:24so the end of the first interval.
- 18:26So she has to worry Well after she gets her first, after she
- 18:30gets her first interval, then she has to worry about 20 days
- 18:33later. And so so once she creates her
- 18:39first interval of 20 days, so then she has to worry for the
- 18:42next 20. Mchen biryat ayyamim shihila
- 18:45yamim yaduim lokodesh. Miyad Miyad aharshirata palmaqas
- 18:51Liam yadua lokodesh. So then she sees for the first
- 18:56time she still doesn't have a set time, right?
- 18:59She doesn't have three times yet.
- 19:01So she has to worry already the next month for the the same day
- 19:06of the month again. Kaf alef.
- 19:09Let's say it's 21st of T-shirt. So then she'll have to worry
- 19:12about the 21st of the Khashwan, right?
- 19:15Yeah. Oh, kaf.
- 19:17Hey. Or if the example's the 25th and
- 19:19she has to worry about the next month on the 25th.
- 19:21Well, Khojashima pal Maharit Zehayom the Surah, the shamesh
- 19:26call OTA ona. And so that entire ona she has
- 19:29to be separate from her husband at least for for tashmish, the
- 19:34huadin, the sharmini vesit and so too for the other types of
- 19:39acid that she has to worry about it.
- 19:43OK, go on hoots. MI vesit hadilog okamachi.
- 19:49Not for everything. For someone like for dilog, you
- 19:51don't have to worry about right for the extra day.
- 19:54You need a full 3 times to to be worried about it.
- 19:59Fine veloamrul shetarika kovam shalosh PE amim LL inyan Akira
- 20:07so in order to why do you need what's it called?
- 20:11It says three times that's for the purposes of to undo it.
- 20:16Shakevan shikava toba shalosh PE amim in onek carbajo MI shalosh
- 20:21PE amim. Once she got established 3 times
- 20:25then it becomes a vested kavua. To undo a vested kavua then you
- 20:29need to. It needs to happen three times
- 20:32where she checks at the same time and she doesn't see it.
- 20:35That's how you undo it. But if you only see it once then
- 20:39you do have to be koshish for those three times you mentioned
- 20:43right? Haflaga Benonite and Yamaha
- 20:45Kodesh Shakozman Shaloha Leah saw her I feel a palmachus.
- 20:52But even one time makes you asser that you have to be
- 20:55khosheshitlo the palm shnea for the second time for those three
- 20:59times, right Meal, however, of alpicia khosheshitlo netekar the
- 21:05palmachus, if she only saw it once and it wasn't a set pattern
- 21:09three times, then you only need one time to undo it.
- 21:13You only have to worry about it one time and not again the next
- 21:16month. All right, all the time you have
- 21:19to keep on doing it. Second of months is if it became
- 21:21established 3 times, then you have to worry about it for the
- 21:24next three times. Afilu again umilu afal pisha
- 21:28khosheshetlo nekharba palmajas afilu Kava.
- 21:33Now let's say it became established 2 * 2 months or two
- 21:36intervals. Then you only need one more time
- 21:41to undo it. Because it's three or it's 2
- 21:45doesn't help you to to establish a vested kavua or to unestablish
- 21:502 doesn't help you. You need either 3 or it's the
- 21:52same as one, OK? You don't have to.
- 22:01You don't need 2 times to undo it.
- 22:05You don't have to worry about it twice.
- 22:10OK, OK. Now this gimel, I'll just tell
- 22:13you this EF gimel is not really understood very well.
- 22:16It's not really lahalaka and but we'll read it.
- 22:20It's it's mentioned. I believe it's from the Ryvid.
- 22:24Yeah. And the base Yosef brings it
- 22:26down. And it's a question what he
- 22:28means exactly. But the base, I'll just say the
- 22:32base Yosef quotes the Ryvid and he says what he means and the
- 22:35taz brings it down. So let's just read it.
- 22:38IM Kava A vesit lesha OT here. It means it was an established.
- 22:44It doesn't mean if you want to say it was Shah OT, it doesn't
- 22:47mean OK Veloliyami, there's no veset of days, but she does have
- 22:52a veset of Shah OT now it doesn't mean a time doesn't mean
- 22:56430. It doesn't mean a number of
- 22:59hours. The Shah if you've got the taz,
- 23:02well, let me just finish reading it and you'll see Ena khoshat al
- 23:06ashata. You only have to worry for that
- 23:08Shah. It's more of a an occurrence.
- 23:13It doesn't mean like a specific time on the on, on, on, on your
- 23:16watch or on the clock. It could be right.
- 23:22You could call it a Vesida onus. This one gets uprooted even just
- 23:32once and you don't have to do a Bediga.
- 23:35Just look at the tags real quick.
- 23:36Pereshgun ahart bilata or shardsbarium Coyote, Bazech
- 23:40shiraguila, lira mahmat oto Zaman.
- 23:43It's normally when we say vesteda onis, it's a it's like
- 23:47vesteda guff and it means you're exerting your body.
- 23:51So you could put it in that category once if you want to
- 23:54make it a separate category. But here it's referring to
- 23:58something happens, she's going to see something, she's going to
- 24:00go to the swimming, she's going to go to the mikvah.
- 24:03Something happens that she does, She's not overexerting her body,
- 24:07but it's something that she experiences and that causes it.
- 24:11That's shot of, I mean, I think it's a shot.
- 24:13That's what the TA says. That's what the basiosic himself
- 24:15says. Certain number of hours after,
- 24:18let's say, going to the mikvah, right?
- 24:21Three times it happens where after she goes to the mikvah, it
- 24:24happens a certain amount of hours after going to the mikvah.
- 24:27So the Gomar I think was the case was with the Gomar.
- 24:29There's a similar case after the mikvah.
- 24:32She went by the time she gets home, she's she has she's
- 24:38bleeding already. So the rabbi says so just so be
- 24:40with your husband when you walk out of the river.
- 24:42Just take care of what you need to do there before you get home
- 24:46because otherwise she'll never be permitted to her husband.
- 24:48So that's the case in the Gomar. But but some want to point out
- 24:52that means he's the sholkhanarak is referring to a specific
- 24:56number of hours. Again, it's not lahalaka.
- 24:58We always say a vested is always by days, always days.
- 25:03But one opinion says maybe he means every, let's say 30 hours
- 25:08and you have an interval of 30 hours, 30 hours, 30 hours.
- 25:11And then so eventually it's going to be off a day because
- 25:13you're it's not 24 hours. But that's not lahalaka and no
- 25:16one holds like that. And it could also mean, maybe it
- 25:19means a specific time that you have to be Koshish for.
- 25:23But that's again, that's the fair shape, not the halacha.
- 25:25But anyways, we'll continue tomorrow with Dalit or the next.