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1: Welcome to the Future Herd! · The Future Herd

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  Hi, I'm Jesse Hirsh and welcome to the Future Herd.
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  A herd is how food systems actually work.
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  Many independent actors adapting together.
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  This podcast exists to help people understand where their food comes from,
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  not just geographically but systemically, who makes decisions, where pressures,
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  enters the system, and how changes in one place ripple across farms,
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  producers, communities, and policy.
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  Food systems are changing faster than most of us realize, and faster than many
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  of our institutions are built to handle.
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  That gap is where risk accumulates, and the future herd is about leadership
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  through collaboration because no one controls food systems alone,
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  not farmers, not governments, not markets, and certainly not technology.
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  If you eat, this podcast is for you.
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  Not as a consumer, but as someone embedded in a system that has to work every
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  day under real constraints with quite frankly, very little margin for error.
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  Our aim this season is simple to help people understand where their food
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  actually comes from to help farmers and producers see the bigger forces shaping
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  their work, and to help policymakers adapt to a system that's already
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  moving, whether they're ready or not.
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  That work starts by letting go of the idea that food systems
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  can be managed from a distance.
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  Our first season is aligned with the AgriFood 2050 process.
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  AgriFood 2050 is an effort to look beyond short political cycles and
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  market timelines, and instead ask what Canada's food system needs to
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  look like over the next generation.
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  It brings together producers, researchers, policy makers, and
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  industry players to think in terms of resilience, adaptation, and long-term
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  coordination rather than quick fixes.
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  That long view matters because many of the pressures shaping agriculture
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  today like climate volatility, labor disruption, technological
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  lock-in, and demographic change.
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  They don't respond well to reactive policy or isolated interventions.
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  Our founding partner for this season is the Agricultural Adaptation Council.
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  The council's role in AgriFood 2050 is not to dictate outcomes, but to create
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  space for experimentation, dialogue, and collaboration across parts of the
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  system that rarely talk to each other.
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  That mandate aligns directly with the purpose of this podcast.
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  Additional partners are welcome and necessary as food systems don't
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  transform through single institutions, and neither does this project.
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  The Future Herd is designed to be a shared space, one that remains open
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  to multiple perspectives, disciplines, and forms of expertise, because food
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  futures don't emerge from reports alone.
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  They emerge from practice constraint, conflict, labor,
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  weather care, and of course failure.
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  They emerge from people and animals making decisions with incomplete information.
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  And as we begin recording these conversations, certain themes keep
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  resurfacing, not because we planned them that way, but because the system
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  keeps returning to the same pressures.
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  The first, of course, is time.
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  Why 2050?
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  Because long-term thinking is itself a collaborative act.
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  Futures aren't predicted.
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  They're negotiated across generations, across institutions, and across people
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  who won't experience the consequences in the same way this comes up whenever guests
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  talk about planning, investment risk or responsibility beyond the next cycle,
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  then there are the drivers of change.
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  Economic pressure, climate, volatility, technology, demographics, policy.
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  None of these operate in isolation.
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  What are the clearest signals that something matters is when
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  guests can't isolate the problem.
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  Every issue turns out to be entangled with others.
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  Collaboration in this sense isn't optional.
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  It's the only way to see the system clearly.
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  Labor is another recurring fault line, not just shortages or skill gaps, but
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  deep misalignments between systems that were never designed to work together.
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  Migration, education, automation, dignity, and care.
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  These conversations move quickly beyond jobs into questions of coordination
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  value, and what kinds of work we're willing to organize society around.
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  Climate resilience shows up when abstraction runs out, floods,
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  heat insurance, soil, water.
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  These aren't future scenarios, their operational realities.
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  Risk is shared.
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  Exposure is uneven, and adaptation becomes collective, whether
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  people want it to be or not.
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  Climate forces collaboration by removing the illusion of insulation.
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  Technology, especially AI and digital infrastructure, cuts across nearly every
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  conversation, sometimes as connective tissue, sometimes as an extractive layer.
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  When discussions turn to platforms, data or automation?
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  Well, questions of power, ownership and interoperability
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  surfaced almost immediately.
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  The issue isn't whether technology is used, but who it connects, who
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  it bypasses, and who gets locked in.
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  Consumers trust and narrative form.
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  Another system constraint.
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  Public perception, shapes, markets, regulation, and of course, legitimacy,
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  misinformation, cultural conflict and credibility of gaps appear whenever guests
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  talk about adoption or public support.
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  Collaboration here is as much narrative as technical because systems don't
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  function if people don't believe in them.
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  Similarly, equity and inclusion often appear indirectly through
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  absences, through friction, through moments where collaboration fails.
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  Because power is uneven, often by design, who gets to participate in shaping
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  the future of food and who is excluded before the conversation even begins,
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  is one of the quiet but persistent questions running through this season.
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  Governance and policy tend to appear not as command structures,
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  but as coordination technologies.
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  Guests often describe pilots, workarounds, or informal networks
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  that exist because formal institutions just can't adapt fast enough.
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  These aren't side stories.
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  They're signals of systems trying to evolve in real time.
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  And then there are the stories from the front lines.
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  Moments where lived experience contradicts models, strategies, or official
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  narratives where practice becomes theory.
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  These stories reveal collaboration, quite like trust as something improvised,
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  fragile and earned, and not something you can mandate or manufacture.
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  Almost every conversation eventually reaches the same place from vision to
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  action, from insight to implementation, not what should be done, but how do
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  we align enough to actually do it.
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  That tension between knowing and acting is where leadership
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  through collaboration becomes real.
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  The title of this podcast matters when people hear the word heard.
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  They often imagine a hive mind, a mass moving in unison,
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  blind conformity, no agency.
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  That image is wrong.
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  I.
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  Real herds are made up of independent actors.
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  Each animal responds to its own needs, perceptions and risks.
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  Movement emerges from interaction, not command.
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  Coordination happens without central control.
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  Herd intelligence is not obedience.
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  Its situational awareness.
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  Distributed across many bodies.
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  Food systems work the same way.
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  Farms, processors, transporters, animals, soils, microbes, weather systems, markets
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  and policies all acts semi autonomously.
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  No one sees the whole system, no one is fully in charge.
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  Stability emerges or collapses based on how well those parts adapt to one another.
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  This podcast takes that reality seriously.
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  And that brings us to another image at the heart of this project.
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  At first glance, it might look like the Border Collie and the Border Collie
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  has become a symbol of agricultural control, precision obedience,
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  efficiency, command and response.
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  It's a powerful image.
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  But it's also misleading.
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  The future herd is guided by a Colly mix.
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  A working animal shaped by adaptation rather than pedigree.
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  Responsive rather than rigid, capable of herding yes, but also of
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  improvising when the terrain changes.
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  A colly mix doesn't enforce order from above.
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  It reads the field.
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  It negotiates movement.
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  It works with the herd as it is not as an idealized abstraction.
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  And that distinction matters because so much contemporary AgriFood policy and
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  technology is designed as if farmers, animals, and ecosystems were programmable
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  components rather than living systems.
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  But the other reason we're using the ALI Mix metaphor is this podcast
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  isn't about urban versus rural.
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  It's about both, and it reflects the hybrid identity, which is not
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  either or, but something that is greater than the sum of the parts.
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  And that's why season one keeps returning to a simple but uncomfortable question.
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  Who is food system transformation actually for?
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  For farmers or for platforms?
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  For animals, or for throughput metrics for producers or for waste for communities.
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  Or for consolidation, for resilience or for efficiency
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  that collapses under stress.
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  Each episode is a conversation, but it's also a reality check, an opportunity for
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  collaboration, learning, and literacy.
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  We talk with people working inside agriculture, food production,
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  policy, research, and technology.
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  Not to celebrate disruption, but to examine its consequences.
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  We're interested in what scales, and of course, what breaks, what kinds
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  of knowledge are being sidelined because they don't fit institutional
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  timelines or investor expectations.
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  The future in the future herd isn't a prediction, it's a
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  question about direction.
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  Are we building systems that allow human and non-human to adapt together?
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  Or are we mistaking control for coordination and optimization for care?
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  This podcast is genuinely for everyone, for eaters who want to
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  know where their food comes from.
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  For farmers who have leadership and wisdom to offer, it's for policymakers
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  who want fewer abstractions, for technologists willing to accept real
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  constraints, and for anyone who senses that the future of food is being decided
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  faster than it's being understood.
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  Well, we don't promise answers, we promise.
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  Attention grounded conversation and a refusal to treat food is just another
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  sector to be managed from a distance.
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  You've been listening to the future, heard many independent actors.
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  Adapting together.