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Neil Casey Disobeys Bridger · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

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  Speaker 1: When I invited you here I thought I made myself
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  Speaker 1: perfectly clear When you're a guest in my home You
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  Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty-handed I said no gifts, your
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  Speaker 1: presence is presence enough And I already had too much
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  Speaker 1: stuff So how do you dare disobey me?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to I Said No Gifts. I'm Bridger Weiniger. I've
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  Speaker 2: just been told this episode will be released on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: October 29th. Two days until Halloween. You've got a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of time left to pick a costume. I'll be
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  Speaker 2: waiting until day of, then placing all of my stress
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  Speaker 2: and anger on anyone around me. And then probably not
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  Speaker 2: dress up as anything.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 2: If it's not Thursday, October 29th, when you're listening to this,
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  Speaker 2: you're a terrible listener. And you'll have to look at
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  Speaker 2: your calendar to figure out when Halloween is for you.
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  Speaker 2: So just I do what I can. Oh, actually, last night,
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  Speaker 2: speaking of Halloween, went to a haunted house and was
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  Speaker 2: volunteered into two separate situations. People just look at me
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  Speaker 2: and say, there's someone who wants to volunteer. I thought
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  Speaker 2: I did an excellent job. People were uncomfortable watching what
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  Speaker 2: I was doing. So I think I worked it out.
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  Speaker 2: That was that. And what else? There's nothing new in
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  Speaker 2: my life outside of the garbage disposal still working. The
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  Speaker 2: garbage disposal is still working. I fixed it. It's humming along.
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  Speaker 2: I'm crushing all types of food. It's incredible. And then
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  Speaker 2: I've watched a few episodes of Dead Files. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you've seen Dead Files. It's a reality show
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  Speaker 2: where two ghost hunters tour the country, go to different
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  Speaker 2: homes of people who essentially just refuse to admit they
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  Speaker 2: have bed bugs. It's an excellent show. You've made 400 episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Get into it. That's, I mean, I wish there was
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  Speaker 2: more to my life. Patreon.com slash I said no gifts.
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  Speaker 2: Endless entertainment. A community of beautiful people. Me just working
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  Speaker 2: myself to the bone. Get into it. Let's get into
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  Speaker 2: this podcast. I love today's guest. I adore him. It's
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  Speaker 2: Neil Casey. Neil, welcome to ICED.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 3: I'm very well. I was at the haunted house with
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  Speaker 3: you last night.
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  Speaker 2: You were a real volunteer in this situation. Do you
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  Speaker 2: want to explain what?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were all lined up. They let you in
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  Speaker 3: sort of group by group. Sort of like a theme
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  Speaker 3: park ride, I suppose. And right before they let us in,
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  Speaker 3: they said, is anybody feeling extra ambitious? And I said, yes.
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  Speaker 3: And what that meant is that I was going to
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  Speaker 3: enter before all of you through a separate entrance and
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  Speaker 3: do a lot of two-person improv. with actors for no
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  Speaker 3: audience in The Haunted House before I reconnected with you,
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  Speaker 3: the group. And it is an excellent production, The Haunted
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  Speaker 3: House and all that. But in practice, there was somebody
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  Speaker 3: asking me my blood type and I'm playing along going like,
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  Speaker 3: why do you need to know that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because at certain points it's just the two of you.
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  Speaker 2: No one's watching.
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  Speaker 3: No one.
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  Speaker 2: Because our group is separated from you at that point.
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  Speaker 2: That didn't occur to me that they didn't just say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: come here. We'll lead you to the spot you need
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  Speaker 2: to be. No, the actor continued to act with you.
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  Speaker 3: They're in character the whole time. I dealt with two
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  Speaker 3: separate characters in character before I got to the cage
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  Speaker 3: that they locked me in where you saw me briefly
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  Speaker 3: and then I moved on to the kitchen via a
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  Speaker 3: third character who had a fake gun in my back
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  Speaker 3: and then a fourth character who was one of the–
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  Speaker 3: madams of the house who led me to the gambling room. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to spoil. It really is an excellent production.
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  Speaker 2: It's very fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'd recommend it to anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Did you go down the slide?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes. I forgot to mention the very first move,
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  Speaker 3: they wanted me to go down sort of a makeshift slide,
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  Speaker 3: and there wasn't really a handlebar or anything. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not very graceful, so I don't really blame them for this.
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  Speaker 3: But as I started to get my feet to where
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  Speaker 3: the slide was, I was sort of balanced on almost
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  Speaker 3: like a windowsill of that was separate from the slide itself.
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  Speaker 3: So then when I was moving my body around the slide,
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  Speaker 3: I took a pretty decent slide backwards. It wasn't exactly
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  Speaker 3: a fall, it was sort of a drop, but I
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  Speaker 3: landed right on my tailbone on the concrete and sort
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  Speaker 3: of fell back and it hurt my side. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm old, I'm getting older.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I also went down the slide and when I
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  Speaker 2: heard we get to go down the slide, I thought, incredible,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have a wonderful time. And then it
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  Speaker 2: was a little bumpy, but I realized, well, I'm, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sneaking into the mansion. This isn't Discovery Zone. This is
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  Speaker 2: a haunted house and I'm sneaking in. It's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be an easy way down. But what a fun
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  Speaker 2: thing to sneak through a little hole in the basement
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  Speaker 2: or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: How often do you get that often?
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  Speaker 3: And how many basements are there in New Orleans? I
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  Speaker 3: mean the flooding.
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  Speaker 2: Huge plot hole.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to go in my review.
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  Speaker 3: Almost brought it up to the actor, but he was
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  Speaker 3: really selling it. He had his lines. He was good.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to derail the scene.
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  Speaker 2: You would probably have an answer to that. He's probably
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  Speaker 2: thought through that whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: The French Quarter is the high ground, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: house of the rising sun. I've been near there in
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans. It's the high ground.
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  Speaker 2: There are no real basements in California either.
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  Speaker 3: Rarely, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know why that is?
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  Speaker 3: That's a good question. It might have something to do
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  Speaker 3: with earthquakes. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I only know that because I think of Zodiac,
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  Speaker 2: the movie.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking of the same thing when you said it, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's like a big discovery, which is so scary.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But it feels like California should have plenty of basements.
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  Speaker 3: Why not?
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  Speaker 2: I guess they love these rambling homes. Did you grow
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  Speaker 2: up with a basement?
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  Speaker 3: I did. I grew up with a really fantastic basement, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I had a little– The former owners had sort of
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  Speaker 3: a workbench down there and I used it to make
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  Speaker 3: model rockets. And in retrospect, there was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: liquid cement and all this stuff. There's probably too many
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  Speaker 3: chemicals and things. But I loved it. I had my
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  Speaker 3: little area down there for messing with things.
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  Speaker 2: That's what a basement is for.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. And then they renovated it. My parents renovated it
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  Speaker 3: early in my high school career because I remember I
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  Speaker 3: threw a little party for my friends down there. But
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  Speaker 3: the ceilings were so low. It just wasn't right.
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  Speaker 2: Did they turn it into kind of a rompus room?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what that would be called?
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  Speaker 3: We were all too old for that. All my brothers
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  Speaker 3: were reaching high school soon. So it was carpeted. An
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  Speaker 3: old couch went down there, an old TV, an old VCR.
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  Speaker 3: And then a bit of storage went down there. So
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  Speaker 3: it was– but it flooded a lot. So that was
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  Speaker 3: part of it. They put in a– it was flooding
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  Speaker 3: so often that they put in like a French drain
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  Speaker 3: and something else. So then they said, while we're doing
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  Speaker 3: all this, we might as well make it a usable
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  Speaker 3: room as opposed to sort of a– the previous owner's
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  Speaker 3: son I think had done. So there was like a
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  Speaker 3: dark room. We didn't use it for this, but it
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  Speaker 3: was sort of a warren of little rooms. It was
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  Speaker 3: pretty spooky.
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  Speaker 2: I like this basement.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My friends and I, when we did movie, like we
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  Speaker 3: do like our little movies in late middle school, early
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  Speaker 3: high school, and we would film it as sort of
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  Speaker 3: a lair, sort of an odd little place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a basement flood that's an early, very
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  Speaker 2: traumatic memory family-wise. The sprinklers were left on too long
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  Speaker 2: and there was– Some parental anger that is a core memory.
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  Speaker 2: But my Super Nintendo was saved and that was the big–
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  Speaker 2: the crucial thing for me. But then I've– I wish you–
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  Speaker 2: I feel like if you were around four years ago,
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  Speaker 2: you would have had a lot to say about my
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  Speaker 2: house flooding. Because my house would not stop flooding and
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you would be– you would have some
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  Speaker 2: practical knowledge that no one we asked to come look
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  Speaker 2: at it had.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I wonder. I don't know. I'm kind of a–
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  Speaker 3: I'm a charlatan in some ways. I can steer conversations
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  Speaker 3: to things that I do know a lot about. That's
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  Speaker 3: the thing. I'm doing it now.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what a French drain is. I mean
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  Speaker 2: the fact that you can just rattle off French drain,
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  Speaker 2: that was what ultimately saved us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm an aspiring homeowner.
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  Speaker 2: More people need to understand what a French drain sounds–
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  Speaker 2: I think it sounds too fancy. I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: the thing that– but people should know it's just the
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  Speaker 2: only thing that will save your– any room from being
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  Speaker 2: overcome with rainwater. And this happened to– I think our room–
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  Speaker 2: this was like basically the podcast for two years was
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  Speaker 2: me talking about the room flooding. But OK. So I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad to know that you're just not capable of
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  Speaker 2: any sort of home improvements.
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  Speaker 3: Not yet. Not yet. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But you were building rockets in your basement? I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was building little Estes model rockets, balsa wood. It
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  Speaker 3: would come with a kit where there would be like
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  Speaker 3: a template that you would put over balsa wood that
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  Speaker 3: you would get separately. But then it came with sort
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  Speaker 3: of the tube and whatever plastic components it needed. And
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  Speaker 3: you would put it together and then you would buy–
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  Speaker 3: they were reusable, though a lot of them got lost
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  Speaker 3: or destroyed. They were reusable with the little engine you
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  Speaker 3: put in, which was just gunpowder of some kind or
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  Speaker 3: another that would shoot it off. The coolest one was
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  Speaker 3: I had one that took 110 film and it had
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  Speaker 3: a little camera and it had a very basic altitude switch.
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  Speaker 3: So it would hit altitude and then it would take
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  Speaker 3: several pictures in rapid succession.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's incredible.
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  Speaker 3: So then– and I probably have them– they're probably some
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  Speaker 3: drawer at home. But I remember most were garbage. Most
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  Speaker 3: was just a blurry view of the sky. But a
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  Speaker 3: couple real views of like back down at the park
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  Speaker 3: where we launched them that I thought was very cool.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure as a kid, that's dazzling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my brothers built a lot of rockets. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I would get a rocket, they would build it
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  Speaker 2: for me. There was a– anything that was required to
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  Speaker 2: be built, Legos, anything, I would just hand over to
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  Speaker 2: them and learn nothing. But I do like a model rocket.
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  Speaker 2: I love watching one shoot into the air. Do kids
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  Speaker 2: still build model rockets? Is that a thing or is that.
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  Speaker 3: Strictly for– In Roblox, right? Yeah, I don't know. No,
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  Speaker 3: it is a– I don't– they wouldn't do it around–
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen it. Yeah, I think it's dead. And
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  Speaker 3: the old hobby shops are dead. They were a throwback
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  Speaker 3: even in my time. My dad would take me to
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  Speaker 3: the remaining hobby shops around Wilmington, Delaware where they would
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  Speaker 3: have this and that and I'd buy in there. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that's all gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, our local hobby shop felt like a real predator nest.
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  Speaker 2: It was a place where there was just a vibe.
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  Speaker 2: It's very weird. So you definitely had to go there
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  Speaker 2: with your parents.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of transitions lenses.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Questionable trench coats.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not my favorite MRS hobby, RIP I imagine.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is I feel like a hobby store
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  Speaker 2: is always going to have– I mean they have no competition.
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  Speaker 2: For the people who want to buy rockets, there's only
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  Speaker 2: one place you can really go, the hobby shop. So
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  Speaker 2: I guess until the owner dies or something, you're sticking around.
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  Speaker 3: We had two. We had Vandiver downtown and then we
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  Speaker 3: had I think Smith's sort of out in the suburbs.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I could– I was price comparison, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Trains too, you know. I did model railroad as a
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  Speaker 3: very young boy. That turned into rockets as I matured
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  Speaker 3: out of the Victorian age into the space age of
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  Speaker 3: my life.
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  Speaker 2: Were you ever– this is something my brothers were doing
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  Speaker 2: a lot is building bombs with fireworks.
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  Speaker 3: No, not really. I mean any fireworks I ever set
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  Speaker 3: off were store-bought. I mean I would have those– I
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  Speaker 3: have like– I had some experience with like cherry bombs
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But no, I was too skittish.
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  Speaker 3: I was a rule follower. I was very worried about
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  Speaker 3: getting in trouble and all that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The amount of explosives my brothers were allowed to handle
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  Speaker 2: is very hard. The idea of anyone, especially like 12-year-old boys, fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Is your son into any of this sort of rocket stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Are you trying to force any of your hobbies on him?
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  Speaker 3: No, not really. I tried with aviation with him a
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  Speaker 3: little bit and he's not that into it. He really
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  Speaker 3: likes baseball, which I really like. We talk about that
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  Speaker 3: and we see a lot of ball games together, which
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  Speaker 3: is really just a dream thing to do with your kid,
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  Speaker 3: especially now that he's old enough. I'll take him to
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  Speaker 3: see UCLA Bruins games at the Jackie Robinson ballpark out
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  Speaker 3: there in Westwood. And he can have the run of
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  Speaker 3: the ballpark. Him and a bunch of other kids get
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  Speaker 3: together and they're running around catching foul balls and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just sitting there feeling like father of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Of course. And the whole thing is like $ 18. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my god. It's really great. What other– he is very funny,
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  Speaker 3: my son. And I really strongly approve of a lot
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  Speaker 3: of his– taste. Not that I would give him a
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  Speaker 3: hard time if I didn't, but he loves Phineas and Ferb.
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  Speaker 3: He's very funny, which is nice, and he's old enough
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  Speaker 3: that he's genuinely very.
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  Speaker 2: Funny, so he's a pleasure to be around.
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  Speaker 3: Not that I'd mind if you weren't. If you were
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  Speaker 3: a very serious sort of left-brained kid, that would be
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  Speaker 3: great as well. I'd love him no matter what, but
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  Speaker 3: he is very funny, and he watches things that I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's up for question if I have taste,
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  Speaker 2: but when I developed taste, when that happened... I wonder–
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  Speaker 2: there was nobody around to really confirm or deny I
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  Speaker 2: had good taste. It was just kind of forcing it
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  Speaker 2: through my childhood. So that's interesting to just hear about
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  Speaker 2: a parent recognizing good taste in their child.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just a quality sense of humor. Nothing to– yeah,
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  Speaker 3: nothing insulting to your intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: Are you dressing up for Halloween?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't planned on it. My son is going to
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  Speaker 3: be the Mandalorian. We just did the Oogie Boogie Bash
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  Speaker 3: down at Disneyland.
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  Speaker 2: What is the– we talked about– I mean you've mentioned
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  Speaker 2: this at work.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I can't stop talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: And I've just sat there just– everyone seems to know what–
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  Speaker 2: and I guess I can conceptualize a general Halloween something.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know what an Oogie Boogie Bash is.
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  Speaker 3: Oogie Boogie is the villain from A Nightmare Before Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Which is he's a sack of bugs.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He's an animated sack of bugs. He sings a great
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  Speaker 3: song in there. He's sort of torturing Santa Claus for
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  Speaker 3: a little while in the film. And– Disney, which I
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  Speaker 3: was not a Disney child nor a Disney adult. But
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  Speaker 3: as a parent, I am all for it. I think
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  Speaker 3: bang for your buck, entertainment hours for the dollar.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 3: All of that stuff. I think like if you can–
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  Speaker 3: we do it maybe once a year maybe. The amount
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  Speaker 3: of just– you're on foot. It's very theatrical. You're in
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  Speaker 3: this big– like the Haunted House. You're in this big
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  Speaker 3: nonstop theatrical event. There's all these things happening around there.
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  Speaker 3: And I've become a fan. I didn't have strong opinions.
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  Speaker 3: I'd been to Disney World as a kid, as a
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  Speaker 3: very young boy, and then once in junior high. Wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: That's happy memories. But it was not part of my
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  Speaker 3: identity at all. I guess it's still not part of
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  Speaker 3: my identity, but I have a stronger opinion on it
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  Speaker 3: now as a parent.
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  Speaker 2: It's really taking over.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all about it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like $ 200 to go to Disneyland.
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  Speaker 3: No, you can get the Southern California resident pass. You
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  Speaker 3: can get some deals from Costco. But even then, I
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  Speaker 3: would say that considering I'm already spending $ 80 to go
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  Speaker 3: see a movie at AMC with snacks and everything, I
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  Speaker 3: still say that even if you can't figure out some
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  Speaker 3: deal to get less than full price, still the entertainment
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  Speaker 3: per minute per dollar– Really can't be beat.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite ride at Disneyland?
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  Speaker 3: I really like Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's the first roller coaster that made me cry.
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  Speaker 3: With joy.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: With joy. No, in third grade. I think I was
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: in third grade. I was finally tall enough. I think
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I was probably tall enough by third grade to ride that.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And the boulders coming towards you.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Pure horror. I like the plain old train that goes around.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think I've ever been on that thing.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: It's good fun. I think about. So the Oogie Boogie
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Bash is a good example of this. It was really
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: always intended to be sort of a local park. Disney
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: and California Adventure, they do a good job of bringing
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: people from all over the country by pretending like it's
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: comparable to Disney World. But Disney World is this gigantic,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: sprawling resort. It's wild. I haven't been there real– I
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: have not been there as an adult. I think the
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: last time I went was maybe my– after– it doesn't matter.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe after my senior year of high school passing through.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. But Disneyland– When they do things that
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: are for the locals, I think succeed wildly. And the
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Oogie Boogie Bash is one of those.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's more meant for locals.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: It really is. They clear out the whole park. And
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I think part of it is that their California Adventure
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: numbers were probably low. Nobody was doing the sit-down restaurants.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Like I'm sure they crunched the numbers like the McRib.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: They're looking at the bottom line, the Walt Disney Corporation.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: But what they do is they shut down the whole
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: park early and then the only people who are allowed
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: in there– the only people who are there are ticket
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: holders for the Oogie Boogie Bash.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And they bring out all the villains and they make
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: it all very Halloween– very kid-friendly spooky. We're talking about
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: lights and sound effects, nothing jumpy or really frightening. And
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: they bring out the villains and they're bad guys and
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: they're razzing the audience and all that stuff. And it's
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: a big trick-or-treat around the park. They give away– mountains
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: of pounds and pounds of candy, courtesy of the M &
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: M Mars Corporation.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: That feels so out of character for a Disney property,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: anything being handed to you without some sort of payment. Oh,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: that's delightful. And you get to go on the rides
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: as well?
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: And you get to go on the rides as well, yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And some of them have been sort of rethemed for Halloween.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: And again, we don't go every year, but it's a
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: nice little thing. It's a nice little thing, and it's
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: for the people of Anaheim, Fullerton, and the greater L.A.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: metro area.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Wait, and it starts at night?
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: You can enter the park at 3 p.m. Okay. And
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: then it continues until nighttime. I think we stayed for
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: one of the parades and then left probably around night.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: It was still school night, just Sunday night. So we
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: got out of there by 9.30 or so.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I like to go to Disneyland every few years, have
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: a nice time, remember that I don't love getting the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: sun just beating down on me.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: It's awful.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: But the other parts of it are enjoyable if you're
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: with good company.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I have a very serious friend. I learned a hard
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: lesson a few years ago who's a very serious friend
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: with very adult tastes. And there was some conversation where
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: it came up and he said, I love Disneyland. And
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I laughed in his face. And then it was sincere.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: But it was because he's like– the art direction is
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: so wonderful and he really loves the attention to detail.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: But when people– I'm trying to just be better about–
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: not laughing in people's faces.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Watching my son experience it as a three-year-old, it really
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: sold me on. I was like, look at this. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: then having it sort of grow as an experience that
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: he's revisited a number of times and then started to
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: enjoy the more adult rides and all that stuff. But yeah,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: for me, it's about the kids. But I do have
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: an affection for it. It's for that reason. It's like
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: this choreographed, perfectly theatrical experience happening all around you. And
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: they're very committed to the bit. And the bit is
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: just like magic for your kids.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Everything is okay.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: So it's nice to see somebody else earning enough or
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: getting paid well enough that they're pretending to care that
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: myself is having a great day.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: You have a least favorite ride.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: The New Splash Mountain, too wet, and the water is disgusting.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Wow, why is the water disgusting?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I got in after the reboot
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: because I'm a fan of The Princess and the Frog.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: It's one of Randy Newman's best albums lately. But we
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: got in, and I– Sat down in the thing and
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: immediately got sloshed from the side. We hadn't even started
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: moving and I got sloshed from the side and was
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: fully soaked. And then when I put my feet down,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: my sneakers were immediately soaked through and there had been
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: no ride yet. And the water was sort of warm
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: and the funkiness of it. I said I'm never– never again.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: If my pants are wet as soon as I sit down,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the ride is ruined. I don't understand. Disney doesn't benefit
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: from people getting wetter.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: No one wants that. I think you're supposed to know
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: to put on a poncho or wear.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: A bathing suit or something. Is this a thing to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: sell ponchos you think?
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be. What a shock. Yeah. Oh, no.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I haven't been on the new one yet. But now
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I guess I– Don't care.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I think unless you're really prepared and it's foul, like
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: just knowing California and the gray water and just knowing
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: what I'm dealing with here is– I don't want to
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: touch it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Do you have a problem with California water?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: No, I don't have a problem with California water. I
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: just know that the freshwater restrictions– Tiana's Bayou Adventure must
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: be made to operate under the strictest of California drought rules.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Which means that I am swimming in non-potable gray water
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: that is fit for watering plants and very little else.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: So I don't think I'm being– it's not black water.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think I'm being exposed to fecundary. But there's
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: no way this is good stuff.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that never occurred to me that they have to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: kind of use the absolute worst, the bare minimum. It's like, yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I can water things. Wow, interesting. I've got a lot
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to think about there. We'll probably eventually get to a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: drought point that it will be a dry ride and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that's going to be tough for people.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be projected. It will just be holographic.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: A swarm of tiny drones creating the effect of water
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: next to just each carriage on its.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Own. Well, speaking of horrifying things that I don't want
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to deal with, I was looking forward to having you
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: on the podcast here. I thought Neil will come by.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: We'll have a nice time. Move on with our night.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: The podcast is called I Said No Gifts. So I
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: was a little surprised when you walked in holding this
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: gorgeous gift.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is a gift bag. I have a few
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: of these, but it is a gift I brought for you.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: This is for me, okay. Yes, and I hope you
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: like it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Should I open it here on the podcast?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I wish you would.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: All right, let's reach in here. It's in this very
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: cute little checkered bag, by the way.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: This is a dense... Oh, my God. It's a pocket knife.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: It's not a pocket knife. It's not? It is a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: bladeless Swiss Army tool that you can bring everywhere.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: So it won't be seized by places that ban blades. Right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It's a get creative if you want to hurt someone.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I believe it's a bottle opener, little scissors, and a
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: non-blade box cutter.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And you can keep it on you all the time.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Even on a plane.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Theoretically. Now, I understand that I may be putting you
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: in a position where you're going to have to make
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: a case. But that is the idea. They advertise that
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: as such. I got one for myself because I've had
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: any number of multi-tools and pocket knives and things over
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the years. Not so much anymore. But you bring a
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: bag that you forgot I had my Leatherman in or
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: something like that. I've lost a number of things over
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the years or had them seized. They're much friendlier about
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: it out in the sticks. If I'm in South Dakota
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: or something, they're like, sure, your pocket knife. Whereas at JFK,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: they're like, we got you, you son of a bitch.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: But anyway, it should theoretically be allowed everywhere, including on
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: a plane, which means you can just have it around.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: This is such a great idea. This is sort of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: thing would have never occurred to me, but I feel
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: like it's such a necessary thing at this point. You're
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: obviously not just going to take a pocket knife on
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: an airplane. I haven't owned a Swiss Army knife in
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a long time. I think the last one that was
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: purchased for me was at the West Jordan Kmart in Yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: West Jordan, Utah. I wonder where that ended up. Wow,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: this is so– you obviously know a lot about aviation,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: et cetera, because you're flying. But you can– your plane,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you can take any weapon on it you want.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I travel with a firearm in my plane quite often.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Now, you're– look how embarrassing. I don't know how to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: even close this thing. How do I– not break it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Show me how to.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I've opened it, listener.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So I think you just want the scissors. This is
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: how you would use the scissors. Okay. So then when
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: you return the scissors, you just want them as flat
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: as possible.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe I just am afraid to break it when I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: pushing it back in.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: They should be well made. It's the real Swiss Army thing. Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: it's gorgeous. It's gold. And this is a little box
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: opener for your Amazons and stuff. But again, not a blade. Right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: This is only in the last couple of years have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I started having a bottle opener on my key chain.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: And The feeling of power you have when nobody else
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: has one and you're like, oh, I'm prepared for something.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: A friend of mine for his wedding, as like a
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: wedding keepsake, what do you call it? Like a gift
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: bag thing at the end, you know, after the reception.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: He gave a bottle opener that looked like a little
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: skeleton key, but the key part worked as a bottle opener.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: And to have that on it, it's just excellent. It
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: was just excellent. It broke eventually, but it's really something.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I agree to have it ready to go.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It's great. It's great. Okay, so tell me why you
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: brought this.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I recently got one myself, and I thought it was cool.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I imagine you travel.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I hate flying. But I do travel.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: You bring it on a train, too. But no, I fly.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I fly, but only when required.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: In our business.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately required a lot for various reasons. And my–
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: this is a theme on this podcast, how terrified I
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: am of flying. And I think– I mentioned to you
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: recently I was talking about bit flipping, which was this
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: horrifying concept introduced to me. But I did– I had
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of listeners write in and say I was
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: listening to this while flying because I was talking about
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: bit flipping and didn't mean to just send people into
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: a panic on a flight. But I learned somebody else
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: reached out and said apparently on planes they've done something
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: to protect planes now from bit flipping.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Interesting. I found out about bit flipping because a guy won–
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I forget. It was one of the classics. I don't
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: remember if it was Super Mario Brothers or Donkey Kong
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: or like Galaga or Pac-Man or something like that. But
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: it was a classic. But they had somebody who– it
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: must have been a cosmic ray that flipped the right
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: bit at the right moment that allowed somebody to proceed
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: to a unreplicatable level of a famous video game. It's
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: like my.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Dream as a fourth grader. Ultimate fantasy. Yes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And I wish I came prepped for that. I thought
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: about that when you were talking about it in the room,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: but I didn't have it handy and I wish I'd
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: looked it up afterwards. That way I could follow up
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: on it here. But that famously, that's their explanation. It's
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: like the only way that this, that we could recreate
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: the experience, that we could recreate this phenomenon within the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: game is that if one, if this bit, and it
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: must have been like a higher, I don't know whether
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: it's last or first, but like, It was some high
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: or low order bit depending on– it doesn't matter. But
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: it had like a cosmic ray flipped this during somebody's
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: game and allowed them to hit an impossible high score.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I wish I knew more. I should look this up again.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: But it's interesting. But yeah, I mean airplane avionics, especially civilian–
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the reason some of it is so expensive, though boat
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: stuff is more expensive because saltwater is worse for everything.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Water, general source for everything. But saltwater especially. But, I mean, yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the electronics are made to sort of military spec. So, like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of the GPS in my plane is a
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Garmin that was built in the 90s. But my iPad
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: overheats and that Garmin does not. So, I'm in the plane.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And sure, the iPad is being– it's direct sunlight and
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. But the stuff that's built for certified aircraft,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: not experimental aircraft, is built to like, yeah, it's like
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: a military spec of, you know, the screw is built
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to like micron precision instead of millimeter precision, let's say,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: you know, things like that. So it's just better, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: it's also more expensive.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: How long have you been flying?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I took my first Discovery flight in 2014, right when
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I moved here. I was very eager to, it was
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: one of the, I was ambivalent about moving to Southern
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: California in general, but it was one of the things
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I was very excited to dip my toes into.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And was that something you had wanted to do your
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: entire life?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Though I didn't know it was possible. I didn't know
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: it was possible. I've said this before perhaps even on
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: other podcasts. But if I had known when I was
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: 14 or 15 that I could be taking– like I
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: could be working at the restaurant I was working at
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: and take that money and go like turn that into
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: flight hours down at the local airport, which I could have.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: It's just so within reach. That's what I'm evangelical about.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: If you're out there and you're tempted to– if you're like, oh,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I wonder what it would be like to fly an airplane.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I bet it's hard and impossible to get into.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: No. No.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Get $ 200. Go to your local little podunk airport. Take
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: a discovery flight. You'll be flying that weekend depending on weather.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: The weather is the only thing that's going to stop you.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you had asked me to answer that question,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I would have been like it's $ 500, 000 to even begin.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: It's just out of reach for anybody. It used to
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: be $ 100.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: When I took my discovery flight 10 years ago, a
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Chris Ben Franklin would get you one flight hour with
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: an instructor. And it's a loss leader, but it's a
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: discovery flight.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's really amazing. I'm not going to do it,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: but I think that that's– If.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You're in Southern California, just go to Van Nuys. Yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: feel free to DM me on Instagram and I'll tell
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: you more.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Of course, now I know someone in LA with a plane,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: but I still don't know anyone who owns a boat.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: That's what I want. I need to just have one
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: friend with a boat. I say it on this podcast
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: all the time. One friend in the Los Angeles area
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that will put me on a boat.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: If you want to go out, we could go to Oxnard.com.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: And we could hang out at a great dive bar
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: called the Rudder Room. And almost everybody there has a boat. Oh, interesting.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And I know I've met a number of people who
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: live out there who have boats.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: How did you discover this place?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: My flight instructor is a big surfer. I was. My
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: first flight instructor. He's a great guy. I'm friends with
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: him and he lives out in Oxnard with his wife
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and their kids and then– and he operates out of
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Camarillo Airport and Oxnard Airport as well. But I just
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: became friends with him and he lives out in Oxnard,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: surfs all the time.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: And the rudder room is the place you go.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: A bunch of boat owners.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Lots of boat owners out there and the little channel
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: islands out there, yeah.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Have you had any mildly to severely frightening experiences on
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: a plane?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, I've had a few. I've told this one quite
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: a bit. I'll try to tell the short version of
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: this because it is a fun story. I wanted to
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: go to Lake Tahoe. I've flown up to Tahoe before
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: and I wanted to return to Tahoe. But what I
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: really wanted to do was fly up the east side
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: of the Sierras up to Owens Valley. Up by like
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Bishop and Mammoth and the east– it's the east side.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: It's 395. It goes up to the east side of
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the Sierras. So from Lancaster, Mojave, you're going up the
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: east side, Owens Valley. But there was a bad weather
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: over Tahoe. So I ended up going to Reno. I said, oh,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: what's there to do in Reno? I don't know.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Love Reno.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: You been?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love Reno.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: There's charm to it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: There is charm.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Reno or Vegas, I'm Reno every time. I'm a Reno man.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: All right. We got to go to Reno. So it
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: was just sort of short notice. But like I'm– I
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: have some history with the fine people at Caesars Entertainment.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: So I was able to get a decent room on
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: a weeknight to stay up there. And I thought I
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: would just– really, it was the sightseeing up there that
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do. It kind of didn't matter where
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I stayed and then I wanted to come back. But
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: eventually I did get stuck there. So I had done
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: a night at Caesars. I went to like the Packard
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Automotive Museum and had, you know, everything I needed to
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: do in Reno. You know, had dinner at whatever steakhouse
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: was there. You know, this is going to be like
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: a one or two night trip. But I went down
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: to the Grand Sierra Resort, which was a very Shining-like experience.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: For a while, it was the largest casino in the
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: world or so they said. But it was wildly empty
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: when I was there. And I went into an empty
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Johnny Rockets. Like I was the only person in Johnny
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Rockets in the basement. I saw the I saw what
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: at the time was the previous Bond film showing at
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: their movie theater. Again, empty. I was alone.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: End of the world.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: It was. And I mean, it was perfectly fine, but
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: it was eerie. So I was waiting for the storm
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: to pass. And the storm had popped. What had happened
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: is the same storm had popped over the mountains from
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Tahoe and it drenched Reno in snow. So I called them.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: They put my plane in a hangar, which is, you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: they can do that for you and And it's all
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: very fraternal, the aviation world. Like they charge you, but
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: they're not– and nobody is trying to screw each other generally.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: So it costs more money to have them put it
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: in a hangar, but they figured out a spot for
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: me and very nice people. And I was at Reno International.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I was at the major airport. I got to speed
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: this up. So then it looked like the storm was clearing. Well,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the storm was clearing and I was doing some– Punch-up
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: for the Minecraft movie. Okay. That was due. I've done
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: a round on that for the great Jared Hess.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Right, and a phenomenon, weirdly.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes. I dare say a couple Casey specials
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: made it in there. At least I tell my son
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: as much, who loved it. So then I went back
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: to the airport. I wasn't sure I was going to fly.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: The storm had then moved back over the Owens River Valley.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: So my plan was I could fly visually, meaning I
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: wouldn't need to climb– There's two rule regimes that you
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: fly under, visual flight rules or instrument flight rules. And
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I was going to fly visually west over Truckee and
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: then down to the Central Valley where there was rain,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: but it would be like stratus clouds with easy rain,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: not cumulus, not thunderstorms and stuff. And I would fly
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: an easy breezy instrument approach into an airport like probably
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Fresno or Sacramento, maybe even make it as far down
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: as Bakersfield or something like that. And then land and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: flying through the rain. You just don't want cumulus. You
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: just don't want storms.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I feel sick about this entire thing already.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: So I was at the airport and I was talking
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: to the JSX pilots because it was a JSX terminal.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: It was also the terminal that I was hanging out
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: at waiting for. And they did the heater, got my
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: plane ready and all that. And I was talking to
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the JSX pilots who had come in that way mostly. And–
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: So eventually I decided to take off and try this plan.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: And then I had two airports that I could land
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: at along the way, North Reno, Reno Stead, North Reno Airport,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and then Truckee, which has a little airport up there
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that I've flown over before. And then once I was
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: in the Central Valley, I'm free and clear. But there's
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: extra things you need to be worried about when you're
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: flying through the mountains in the wintertime. Right, right. And
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I was– I had taken off and I was flying
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: northwest and I was pretty much over North Reno Airport.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: And then in the distance at the mountain pass, I
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: saw a totally unforecast, very surprising winter storm ahead of me.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: And you do. You have this reaction timer. I was
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: looking at it going, well, this really isn't supposed to
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: be here. So I just aborted and I just immediately
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: landed at Reno State Airport. And when I was on
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: the runway, the storm came in and it whooshed and
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: just whited me out, whited out my whole windscreen and
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. Now I can fly in zero visibility.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I'm instrument rated. I wouldn't want to, especially in the mountains,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. But there's no– like it's not as
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: if I had been about three miles ahead. I would
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: have been dead meat. But I would have been in
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: a much more precarious situation. Whereas if it had happened
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: when I was still on the ground, I would have
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: taken off. And then I was saying– questioning once I
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: landed and it was right out and I kept the
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: engine running. How long is this going to last? And
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: then as an exercise– and this doesn't come from the internet.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: It comes from FAA ground stations– The weather. You get
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the weather via 570 megahertz ADS-B, they call it, ADS-B in.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I said, well, this thing wasn't on my iPad. It
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: wasn't forecast. It wasn't anything. When is it going to
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: appear on my iPad? Just out of curiosity. I'm in
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: it now. I know it's here. So when am I
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: going to see it on the iPad? And it didn't.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: It never showed up. Oh, it was a phantom storm.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: It was a phantom storm. Oh, my God. It probably
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: showed up later, but then it was time to shut
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: down the engine and all that. Just as curiosity, I
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: was like, five-minute delay, ten-minute delay. When is this going
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: to appear? And a storm that doesn't show up on
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the radar on your iPad for more than ten minutes,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: it's not helpful information.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: No, it's all you've died. I'm in trouble.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: And I got out. It was bitter cold. I mean,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I'm in the mountains in Reno in the winter, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: it's very, very, very cold. I Called in the blind
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: on the radio and a very nice guy had confirmed
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: for me that I could get into the pilot's lounge
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: with a code that I probably would have guessed anyway,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: but it was nice for him to tell me. And
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I just got into a spot and I shut down
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: the plane and I did, you know, everything. My fingers
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: were cold and I had gloves and everything.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Do you wear a little scarf when you're in a plane?
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: No, no. That's for open canopies. That's for the Grumman Tigers. Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: And then I shut down the plane and then I
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: got into the pilot's lounge. So this was a long
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: time and I was working on Minecraft. So I was like,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: I might have to get on the Zoom tomorrow like
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: from here. I was also looking at the business cards
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: for the instructors in the pilot's lounge. Maybe I'll have
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: to get one of these guys to like ferry my
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: plane home. I'll fly back commercial and I'll pay somebody
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: else to do all this stuff. And then some police
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: officers come by because it's just on their beat. They
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: come in to use the bathroom, maybe take a shower
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: or whatever in the pilot's lounge. And I said, what's
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: going on? They said a– A truck, this storm came
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: out of nowhere and a tractor trailer jackknifed on the
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: 15 on the freeway. So nobody is getting through. Oh,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I forgot to say. I've been looking at Ubers. Oh, right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I've been looking at Ubers and all that. Nothing. Nothing.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: And they said, there's nobody getting here. There's nobody coming.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Settle in. And they were like, we'll swing by later.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: We'll swing by like four hours and we'll let you know.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: But there's a vending machine and water. I'm fine. It's
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: storming outside.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Very low rent The Shining.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's comfort. There's like a recliner. I was like,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I can sleep in this. All right, so the end
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: of the story is I had been continually pinging Ubers
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: while I'm trying to get some zingers in Minecraft. And
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: then eventually ping, it accepts one because Uber takes like
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: 10 minutes to time out. We're still looking. We're still looking.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: So I do it every once in a while. It goes,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: so-and-so in a Ford F-350 is on the way. It's
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: like an hour and 10 minutes away. Like, who is
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: this guy?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: And then I'm still– I'm working, right? I still want
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: to get all this done and go to bed at
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a reasonable time even if it's here in the lounge.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: So I keep checking and he's not on any road.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: So I'm zooming in on the map. He's not on
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: any road at all. He's like by the river and
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: like all this stuff. And I'm like, OK. And the
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: hour goes by and all that. And then eventually it's
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: like five minutes. I'm like, OK. Well, I'll just kind
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: of pack up a little bit and seems like he's
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: back on the roads and he's coming. And I look
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: out the door from the pilot's lounge on the– not
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: on the airport side, on the parking lot side, on
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: the civilian side. And I look out in the distance.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I see these lights coming. I'm like, what's going on?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: And he pulls in four to three feet with all
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: this gear in the back, like the whole thing. And
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I say– he's like, Uber for a deal? I'm like, yeah, thanks.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: He goes, sorry I'm late. A woman slid off the
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: highway and I had to use my winch and pull
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: her out. Like he's a Batman. Who is this person?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: So I get in the car and I go, what's
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: going on? He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: is my work truck. I do fly fishing all over.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: So we go everywhere and teach fly fishing. And so
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I got all the gear in the back. I was like, okay,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: why did you pick me up? He said, well, when
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: I saw, he goes, I'm a student pilot. And when
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I saw that your request was coming from here, I
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: knew you had to be a stranded pilot. So I
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: came to get you.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: What a community.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: And he brought me back to the Grand Sierra Resort
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: where I was from. This is the.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Most haunted experience I can possibly imagine.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I went back to the Grand Sierra, but that is
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: the most. seat cushion eating experience I've had in the plane.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: And then other things have just been weird little surprises
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: usually from somebody a little like, oh, moments. But for
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: the most part, it's– I'm pretty safe. This is the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: sort of.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Thing that could only happen in Reno. You're not getting
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: that in Las Vegas.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: You're not getting that in Vegas. I'm sorry.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: What is your– I imagine things involving planes, et cetera,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: are not really physical fears for you. Do you have
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a physical fear, something that scares you?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, I hate snakes. Oh, snakes. I don't like snakes.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I got the ancient enemy. I don't like their faces.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I don't like their eyes. I don't like their whole thing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Physical stuff. I don't like dogs. I got attacked by
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a dog as a kid and I still have a
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: sort of like spinal memory of that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: That's kind of a rational fear.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I can imagine. Yeah. Having a tough time with dogs.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I don't run away from them or anything, but I
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: just find a dog behaving aggressively around me gets me
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: very adrenaline-filled and unhappy.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: We've got to find you a sweet baby, something to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: rehabilitate you.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I like dogs. That's the problem. I like dogs. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: was horsing around with a neighbor's dog, and it decided
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: to fuck me up.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Someone should do a study on– because I feel like
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: there are people who are absolutely terrified of snakes and
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: then people who are absolutely terrified of rats. And I'm
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: in the rat camp. I wonder what– like going all
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the way back in human existence, there must be some
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: DNA in each type.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know about the rodent thing. I mean you
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: have huge chunks of your brain that are devoted entirely
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: to detecting snakes. Really? Yeah, everybody does. A big part
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: of your visual cortex is designed to spot snakes in
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: any area that you're in. Wow. And that's also why
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: the sounds like ss and shh are universal for shut
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: the fuck up in all human cultures.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, my god. That's so interesting.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Everybody be quiet.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Ss. Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Ss.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: That's how I shush me.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's one of the two everywhere, everywhere you go,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: regardless of language, culture, everything.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there's anything with rodents. Yeah. Just pure disgust,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Just disgust.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Just really.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Snakes are really out to get you and snakes have
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: really been out to get all of our ancestors going
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: back to when we were little newts stealing the eggs
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: out of their nests with their warm blood at night.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: We've been at war with the– that's that– Carl Sagan
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: has that book where it's like– no, it's not Shadows
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: of Forgotten Ancestors, is it?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: The Truth About Snakes.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: It's in there. You can interpret the story of Genesis
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: as the biblical metaphor of human beings needing to evolve
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: brains smarter than the reptiles that we've been at war
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: with the entire time. And therefore that's the idea of
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: pain during childbirth, self-awareness, all that stuff is the metaphor.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: The story is an allegory for we needed to devote–
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Huge amounts of energy, even within our own body, blood, oxygen, everything,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: develop these gigantic heads, these heads that are so big
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: that we need to be born prematurely, unlike horse calves
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: that come out galloping. We're born helpless and useless, but
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: it's all so that we have this big brain so
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: that we can beat the reptiles in their own game.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Outsmart snakes.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: We did it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: And the Komodos and the smarter reptiles that we've defeated.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like we basically came out on top.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: No doubt.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: The jury's still out.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Big stomping Komodo dragon messing with your house is a
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: rarity these days.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see that that often.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I love to learn a fact. That's fascinating. It's so interesting.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I think we should play a game.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, please.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I need a number between one and ten from you.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Eight.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, I have to do some light calculating to get
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: our game pieces. We'll probably play two games, to be honest.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Right now, you can promote or recommend or do whatever
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: you want. I'll be right back.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Okay. What do I promote? Well, Widow Space Season 1,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: still going on Apple TV. We're writing Season 2. I
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: hope everybody enjoys it when it comes out. If you're
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: interested in seeing me improvise with some of the greats,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: come down to the last improv show down at Dynasty Typewriter.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: It's generally every other week on Fridays right here in
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles, Koreatown to be exact. MacArthur Park to give
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: you a nearby well-known landmark. I don't really have any
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: other social media or anything else to promote.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: That felt like a good promotion. Yeah. Widows Bay. And
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I need to come see the, well, I can't just
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: breeze past Widows Bay. It's an incredible show. People should
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: watch that. But I also need to come see the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: improv show.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Please do. Anytime. We, I'd be happy to put you
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: on the list. Seats, bring a friend or two. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: then we generally go out for drinks afterwards. It's a
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: great night out.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Our friend Martha Kelly was just on.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was excellent.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: She had a wonderful time there.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: We're going to play two games. First, we're going to
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: play a game called Invite List. I'm going to start
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: naming a list of celebrities. You're going to say invited
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: or not invited. You can say why or why not.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Once we get to 10, that's your party.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Does that make perfect sense?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: All right. And Ellis, our producer, will keep track of
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: all of these.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Rod Stewart.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Yes. Maggie Mae, you know. What a lyricist. Angeline. Angeline.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: The Los Angeles celebrity?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: No, my ex-girlfriend worked with her for a little while.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Weird experience, I imagine.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine that. I don't think anyone would say,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: would be shocked that that wasn't normal.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not coming.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: But it's for personal reasons. Lucy Lawless.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Is it from Xena?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Xena, Warrior Princess.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: No, not tonight.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, Sidney Sweeney?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Wanda Sykes.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Wanda Sykes. I worked with her briefly
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: on The Spirit of Word. I think she's great. She's
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: so funny.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just timeless.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rod Stewart and Wanda Sykes. I mean, so far.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great party so far.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I'm making sours.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know who celebrities are, and this is a
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: list of just random ones. So if I don't pronounce
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: this correctly, I'm sorry.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: 14 years old. Noah Centineo.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Don't know and no.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Nancy Kerrigan.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: No.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Jamie XX.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: No.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: And don't know.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Wonderful musician. David Ellison.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: No. Why not?
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: With Rod Stewart and Wanda? Come on. We're having a
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: salon here.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: He seems like a blast. Chubby Checker.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: No. If you'd said Fats Domino, absolutely. Chubby Checker ripped
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: off Fats Domino's entire deal, including his name. He shouldn't
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: he had a lot of great luck and we all
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: run a little bit of a scam as entertainers. But
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Fats Domino is the real deal and Chubby Checker can
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: stay out of my party.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But Chubby Checker is the twist.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I know. Oh, I know.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Serena Williams. No. Tim Robbins.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Flava Flav. Yeah. Haim, that's the whole band that counts
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: as one.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: All three sisters.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: They all count as one?
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: They're a blast, absolutely, yes. Okay. I met them at
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: a Mumford & Sons festival. Oh, wonderful. In the middle
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: of nowhere.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: And if you get a three for one, it doesn't
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: matter who it is. I'd take three David Ellisons.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't. I'd love Haim to talk to Rod
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Stewart about songwriting.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, they would go crazy.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and me, Wanda, and Flava Flav just enjoy it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Tim Robbins just, you know. I want to.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: See Flava Flav talk to Rod Stewart about songwriting.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Annette Bening.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: No.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, based on the– yeah. Yes, yes.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Okay. Jennifer Coolidge. Yeah. I love her.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a dream.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: We've got to use her more often. I don't– Michael Stipe.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, I love Michael Stipe. I love R.E.M.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: We all love Michael Stipe. I wonder if he's a
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: good time, probably secretly a good time.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: There's a famous story where I believe it was at
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: a mall or a restaurant in a mall. It was
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: a pretty unassuming circumstance in like Athens or around Georgia
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: where shortly after R.E.M. broke up, he sat down and
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: started playing piano and a small crowd gathered and then
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the security guards immediately kicked him out.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I actually appreciate that. No one asked him.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awful.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Rules are rules at Red Robin.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I love it. What a voice.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: What a voice.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's sugar to my ears, his voice. I
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Paula Abdul. No. Taye Diggs.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: No.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: John Legend. No. Diane Rehm. No.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know who Diane Rehm is.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: National treasure.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm embarrassed.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: NPR host, interviewer.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: But you've already said no.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Wait. No, I don't know. What show does she have?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: The Diane Rehm show.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Mm-mm. Is she new?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: No. Yeah, she's 21.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Because I'm Terry Gross all the way. Diane Rehm. Leonard Lopate,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Brian Lair, the WNYC crew are very close with.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of where she– or where she
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: originates from, but she's great.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't know. She may be out of
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: the game at this point. Yeah, I don't know her.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: I got interviewed by Leonard Lopate one time, and I
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: knew his style, where he says things intentionally, sort of wrong,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: and then has you correct him.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. What a great tactic.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how he does it. And I was like,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I know your game, Lopate. He's great. I wasn't sarcastic
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: with him. I thought he was wonderful. But he interviewed
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the select UCB people about improv, and I was like, oh,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: you're going to intentionally get things wrong, and we're going
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: to be like, well, actually, Leonard....
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: He just makes everyone look like an asshole.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I was hip to it. No, he loves it. It's great. Smooth,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: jazzy guy.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Molly Ringwald.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: No.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: Oz.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Kim Deal. No.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know who Kim Deal is.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Of the Pixies and the Breeders.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. Oh, Kim from the Pixies.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Oh. We're moving on. Freddie Prinze Jr. No. Rashida Jones.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: No.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Richard Branson.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: No.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Kathy Bates.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: How many?
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: How many are we at here?
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: The next one will be nine.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: All right. Kathy Bates is in. Joe Montana.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Joe Montana.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: He's great on SNL. That's a great– no.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: He was on SNL?
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Joe Montana famously did the sketch where he was
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: doing his own inner monologue. It's like a David Dana
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Carvey sketch or something where it's like the idea that–
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I mean the lesson of the sketch. I don't remember
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: the jokes. But the sort of premise of the sketch
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: is that he has a complete– there's no difference between
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: his inner monologue and what he says in a Phil
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Hartman-era sketch. Oh, Phil Hartman. Yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Fabio.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: No.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Fabio and Kathy– yeah, Fabio. I want to ask about
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: the time he got hit by that bird on the–
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: We all want to know.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Has there been an interview with him about the bird?
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Let's– Fabio, reach out. Ellis, is that 10?
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That's 10. That's 10.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Fabio is a great– I'm.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Sorry about Kim. I should have– that's a no-brainer.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: That was a huge mistake on your part.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: It really was.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: You've been thrust out of the alt-rock community. Oh, do
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: you want to run down the list, Ellis?
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: So we've got Rod Stewart, Wanda Sykes– Tim Robbins, Flava Flav, Haim,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Steven Spielberg, Jennifer Coolidge, Michael Stipe, Kathy Bates, and Fabio.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: I'm in heaven.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: That's a lovely party. It really stretches. It's a broad
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: group of people.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I like frozen drinks. I wouldn't want to be doing
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: individual mix or anything. I might do like a big
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: thing of margaritas or something like that.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: We're going to play a game called Gift or Curse.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to name three things. You'll tell me if
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: they're a gift or a curse and why.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: I'm saying each thing?
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll name one. You'll tell me if it's a
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: gift or a curse.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Wonderful.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: And then I'll tell you if you're correct or if
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: you're right or wrong. What do I even say? I'm running–
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I'm losing control of my own podcast. I'll tell you
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: if you're correct because there are correct answers. All right.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: This first one is from a listener named Emily. Gift
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: or a curse– Walk-in only slash no reservation restaurants.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: It's a gift. Why? In most neighborhoods in a walkable city,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: you want a place like that that's really for– like
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: that's for the locals and that will– if you're a neighbor,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: you can develop a relationship with the place and there
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: could be an informal system of knowing that you'll have
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: a table there on Thursdays and things like that without
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: everything being– Without the sort of locus of control of
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: everything being exported to OpenTable and Resi and everything else. Correct.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Gift.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Reservation restaurants for me, non-starter. They're biased towards people with
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: planning skills. It's simply I just won't go to a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: restaurant if I have to make a reservation. I can't
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: figure it out. I just– I don't have the life
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: skills to reserve a restaurant.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Make any sort of reservation. So forget it. There shouldn't
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: be reservations. I think that it's elitist. OK, this is
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: from a listener named Jake. Gift or a curse saying
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: goodbye and then continuing to walk in the same direction.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: It's a curse.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: It's you've mistimed it. If you knew you're going in
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the same way, I'd sort of prep the conversation. I
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: would prepare myself and sort of. try to lead the
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: conversation towards us. Well, I would love walking together. But
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: if I've said goodbye to you and then we find
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: ourselves walking together, there's been a real speed bump. There's
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: been a real hiccup in our dynamic. And we could recover,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: but that's a curse. Wrong.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: No, that's a gift. That's, first of all, a little
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: extra time with your friend. Also, the barrier, the performance
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: that we have prepared for our friends is removed. You're
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: seeing them in their absolute natural state. They have nothing planned.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: What are they going to do now? You rarely get
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: to see a friend that raw as when you say
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: goodbye and then you're both walking in the same direction
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: in a parking lot.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I agree with that except saying goodbye. It could be
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I thought we were about to say goodbye and, oh,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: we're walking in the same direction. But if we said
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: the full-on goodbye and then we're going, then I've misread.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It's bonus content.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: It is. But the permanence of the goodbye is just–
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: it's a curse. Wrong. Okay.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: This is from a listener named Melinda. Gift or a
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: curse dressing up for Halloween at work?
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: I mean it really depends on the job. And I
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: think it's a curse. It really depends on the job.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I would do it. I've done it in most jobs
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: that I've had but not– no, not most. But in
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the past, I would have.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Just for my own edification, just for fun.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: But I do think the expectation of doing it. And
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: all sort of mandatory fun at most jobs. I'm not
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: talking about the one we currently have. Sure. Or really
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: any showbiz job where we're all lucky to be there
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: in a way. But for most– when I think of
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: a job and I think of the jobs I've had
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: over the course of my life, most of the time
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: mandatory fun, costumes or otherwise, at a job sucks and
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: is a curse. Correct.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I would say 99 percent of the jobs I've had
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: are jobs that I would rather– go to hell than
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: dress in a costume at. I don't want to be
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: there in the first place. I don't want to be
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: at the postal service in a costume, etc. It's horrible
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: and the pressure is too much. It's just getting to work,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: waking up in the morning, forget it. But you got
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: two out of three. Pretty good.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I'll take it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Let's answer a listener question. People are writing in to
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: isaidnogives at gmail.com and just begging for answers, desperate, etc.,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: This says, hi, Bridger and guest. Over the years, my
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: husband and I have received several pieces of wall art
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: as gifts. They range in size and type. Everything from
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: handcrafted embroidery rings to large 24 by 36 framed biblical verses.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I am a known atheist. Oh, here we go.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Turn. Known atheist.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Famously atheistic.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Okay. This is Ricky Gervais writing. I'm a known atheist
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: and that is irrelevant to the question but is added
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: insight into the people-pleasing trope most elder millennials find ourselves in.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: This is beginning to feel like a puzzle. I keep
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: and display everything we receive but have always considered wall
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: art to be a very bold gift to give. So
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: my question to you is if you were to gift
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: a piece of wall art to a friend or family member,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: what would it be? Thank you for your time and consideration.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: That's from Nicole. What's Nicole doing? Known atheist Nicole is hanging.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Elder millennial known atheist Nicole puts all wall art gifts
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: on display, but wonders if she's doing the right thing.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: What does this person's home look like?
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: It's a disaster. According to whose objective standard, Nicole? Certainly
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: not God's.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: You wrote into the wrong podcast, Nicole. Okay, so what
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: sort of art wall... I mean, of course... First of all,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: I simply would never give anyone a piece of wall
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: art as a gift unprompted. There's nothing worse you can
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: do to another person.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: It's bold. It's presumptuous. I completely agree. The only time
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I can imagine is like my parents or someone that
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I know well and I'm adding to a collection.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Right. It feels like something that they would have eventually
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: purchased themselves.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Right. It would be very, very particular circumstances where I
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: knew that they have– Something by an existing artist and
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: then I know that they've just refinished their basement or
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: something and that they said, oh, well, this would fit there.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: But even then, it really is presumptuous.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: It may be the one piece from that artist that
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: they'd hate.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Right, right. And then it's– I'm associated with it and
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: they would feel the pressure to keep it up when
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I came over and all that awful thing.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you had to– I guess I had
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: to go to Hobby Lobby a few months ago. Not
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: by choice, but I had a wonderful time looking around
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: at whatever the hell is going on in a Hobby Lobby.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: A lot of signs there. You'd be surprised how many
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: of them are about not peeing on the toilet seat.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. Yes, universal.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: It's a huge– I would say 50 percent of Hobby
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Lobby's signs, cute signs are about please stop peeing on
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the toilet seat.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Lots of cute little things about controlling your excrement.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, my husband will not stop peeing– On our toilets.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: So I think I would probably– I probably wouldn't get
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: one of those. But if I was going to force
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: a piece of horrible art on somebody, Hobby Lobby would
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: be my first stop and I would shoplift it because–
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: for so many reasons.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: A sincere answer, maybe a painting or a photo of
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: the city that they live in. Oh, interesting. Like a
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: nice take on– A famous landmark or something in the
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: town that they live in because there's got to be
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: a blank wall and that's just sort of something easy
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: you could put up.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: It's a real neutral bathroom hang.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: The joke version is I would go to a caricature
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: artist and I would ask them to draw a caricature
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: of me entering their home, smiling, looking at that caricature
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: hung on the wall.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: That's a great idea.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: A little recursive. Yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: How do– like let's say you're just in a– a
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: small town or city, how do you locate a caricature
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  Speaker 2: artist if you don't have a boardwalk or carnival?
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: If you don't have a boardwalk or carnival, I would
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: go maybe to the local bookshop, the slightly grungier one
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: that has a bulletin board and things like that. Oh, interesting.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Or maybe even a record shop, like something that has
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: the community bulletin board. Right. And then I might just ask.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: If the person behind the register seems crunchy enough, I
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: would just say, where can a guy get a caricature
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: done in this burg?
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's– I've never really thought about them naturally occurring.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: It's like a real specific– it's only in certain places
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and I don't know how you even train to become
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: a caricature artist.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: They're going to have them anywhere they have like the
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: people in the knockoff Muppet outfits and knockoff– anything. Times Square,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: the most obvious and famous example. But anywhere– I'm sure
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: down by the arch in St. Louis, I could get
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: a caricature. Oh, certainly.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess if you go to your local biggest
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: landmark possibly. I think that's a great idea. Nicole's got
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: to figure out her life. Maybe start with finding a religion.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you're going to worship something, you know?
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  Speaker 2: You're going to worship something, and it sounds like you're
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  Speaker 2: worshiping people-pleasing, Nicole. Loser. Don't write back in.
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  Speaker 3: To the goodwill. Anybody who's given me wall art, it's
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  Speaker 3: going right to the donation. I'll give it a shot.
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  Speaker 3: I'll look at it, but no, my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: I have standards. Well, we answered the question perfectly. I
• 1:00:27
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• 1:00:31
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• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: counting on me. I'm so glad you could be here.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having me.
• 1:00:40
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• 1:00:44
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• 1:00:47
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