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Track The Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek Podcast. There we are, here,
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we are, We're live. Welcome, Welcome, Yes, as everybody doing
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chess is already saying good morning, good morning, chazz biz, Hi,
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everybody getting up in the in the chat. Yeah, chet's active. Welcome
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to trek Ast everybody, the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek podcast. Allegedly allegedly,
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that's right, there's been a lot of allegedly is in the news today,
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yeah, last week. So yeah, tells tell us what we're doing
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here, Daniel. Yeah, So we're doing a full show because kind of
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a lot going on. Our main topic is going to be sky Dance Media
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has put in a fol bid to purchase Paramount and that could mean a lot
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for Star Trek. So we'll give you a little bit about what's going on
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there. We're gonna talk a little bit about who sky Dance Media is.
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You've you may not know the name, but for sure you've seen some of
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their movies. And then we will also talk about what we think that can
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mean for Star Trek. But you know, before we get going, Yeah,
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how's your week, bend Man, doing good, doing good? You
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know, I'm glad we can do these supplementals, you know, something to
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yeah to at the end of the week. I'm sure everybody appreciates that.
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Listen to the podcast whenever we can, you know, when we're on this
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every other week's schedule, whenever we can, Yeah, an episode and so
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yeah, it's fun to do. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. But you know,
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we should probably get to the news. We've got some Star Trek news.
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It. Let's together Star Trek news. All right, So our first
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news story. It's kind of sad for those of you who have not heard
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yet. According to star Trek dot com, Star Trek actor Gary Graham has
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passed away. He was savall in Star Trek Enterprise. He was the ambassador.
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He passed away on the twenty second, seventy three years old. We
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do not know the cause of death right now, but yeah, he passed
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away. He was very integral to the enterprise show. And yeah, that's
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it's sad man, Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah, he
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was a big part of enterprise. You know, he was he was there
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kind of from from the beginning in Star Trek Enterprise. You know, he
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played, like I said, they played the Buckman ambassador who you know,
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at first was you know, very much against Starfleet and their mission to you
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know, kind of spread their wings and you know, go out further.
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And then towards the end he was you know very much an ally of Archer
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and the Enterprise crew. Yeah. Yeah, brought up really good you know
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he did. I think it brought a lot of a lot to that character,
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and you know, he will be missed. He was. Also he
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was in that show Alienation. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of you know,
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anybody that's our age or maybe younger probably doesn't even know what that show
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was. And I had to look it up a little bit. But it
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can you kind of help me refresh everybody's memory about did you ever watch that
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show? So I, you know vaguely, like I have vague memories of
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it. You know, Dan has mentioned it before. Yeah, from what
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I understand, And again, I never watched the show. I just read
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a little tiny bit about it. Basically human kinds, integration of aliens into
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their culture, and really uh sort of focused on the relationship between his character
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and another somebody from the other planet. Again, I don't know hardly anything
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about this. Yeah, there is up in the top right, and in
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this show, these two played like law enforcement officers of some kind, didn't
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they Again, I don't know a lot of Yeah, yeah, it was
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a it was a cop show kind of like okay, okay, but yeah
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yeah, so yeah, it's sad that he's gone, but that that's where
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we're uh. Next new story comes to us from Deadline dot Com and Star
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trek Icon. Jonathan Freaks is set to direct a new TV show that is
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not Star trek related. He is going to be He's signed on to direct
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the TV adaptation of Deathlands, which is a novel series and it will uh
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novel series that was created by I guess a crypto pioneer some like bitcoin pioneer
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guy. Okay, Jef Garzik. I don't I don't know a lot about
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cryptos. I don't know who this guy is. But I never heard that.
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Yeah, yeah, but I guess death Lands is a is a is
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a pretty big book series. The show is expected to be a ten part
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Oh, it's a ten part novel series, so we don't know how many
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episodes of the show will be. But Jonathan Franks is on board to direct
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him. Well, he's a he's a smart guy. He's obviously good behind
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the camera. Yeah, he got a lot of projects under his belt.
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Yeah, even non Star Trek projects. So yeah, yeah, look forward
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to that. Yeah yeah, I couldn't find much about death Lands. So
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and then, also speaking of Jonathan Brinks from trekmovie dot com, apparently Jonathan
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Banks did a Reddit ama earlier this and he was talking about the Reker maneuver.
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So somebody said, you know who came up with the Reker maneuver,
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to which you responded, that happened by chance when we first used ten forward,
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the chairs were low enough to step in, and frankly, it was
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kind of an asshole move. I'm glad I've found life as a meme.
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That's funny. Yeah, I thought that was pretty hilarious. Reker maneuver officially
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an asshole move, right, Yeah, now that's got to be a little
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bit of satire because I've heard a couple of different stories over the years,
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and I heard the reason why he does that the little leg over the chair
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thing too, is uh, because of a back issue. Yeah I've heard
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that too. Yeah, yeah, but why you couldn't just walk up to
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a chair and then sit down to it, right, you know, you
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know whatever? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's because I'm such part of
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you know, star trek lore that they they made fun of it in the
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crossover episode Lower Decks Sting World Crossover. Right, yeah, yeah, it
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is definitely a thing. So it's funny, you know, it's whatever.
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Man, it's cool. I like, I kind of like it. It's
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like the Joker, We don't it has so many possible origins and who cares?
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Right? Yeah, exactly exactly. All right, Well that's all the
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news stories. Should we get to the main topic. I guess we're moving
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along quick. Yeah, let's let's talk about that. Okay, fun will
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now come out, all right, So our main topic. Deadline is reporting
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earlier this week that sun Dance, our Skydance Media, which is a film
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studio or a film production company, kind of has put in a bid to
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buy out the controlling stock interest in Paramount Global. It's kind of complicated.
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So basically, a lady named Sherry Redstone has a company called National Amusements.
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Through that company, she owns the controlling interest of Paramount. It's something like
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eighty percent of the voting shares in Paramount. So through all those hoops,
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Skydance Media is like, okay, we want to buy Paramount so that's how
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they would do it. So that's where we're at with everything. We have
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not heard that a deal is done. This also flies in the face of
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about a month ago we were getting reports that Paramount had met with Warner Brothers
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Discovery to do emerge between those two companies. And then this also flies in
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the phase of months earlier we had heard that Apple TV was talking about some
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sort of streaming merger with Paramount, not necessarily a merger of the companies,
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but a merger of those two streaming properties into one major streamer. Right,
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so clearly Paramount is looking to make some moves in some way. There is
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some buzz about what this means for Paramount recently, according to varieties. So
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a couple of days later, the Paramount Global CEO basically told the entire staff
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get back to work. Stop focusing on losing your jobs, because typically when
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a merger happens, you're gonna lose your job. You know, there is
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gonna be layoffs. That tends to be what happens when these mergers happen,
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right, they get rid of redundancies and all that. So yeah, he's
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just basically, hey, get back to work. Stop updating your Lincoln LinkedIn
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I'm wanting to get the same email from you. So yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, but you know that that that sucks, and you know
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it makes sense. You know, people are well, what are we gonna
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do? What's going on? There's nothing official. We don't know. Are
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they going to go with Apple? Are they gonna go with Warner Brothers Discovery?
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Are they going to go with sky Dance? For those of you wondering
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who the hell is sky Dance? I can give you some of the movies
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they have done. Some of the bigger name movies they have done in the
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past. They did that True Grit remake that everybody seemed to love. They
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also did World war Z. Some other films they have done is they did
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the Jack Reacher films and the Jack Ryan Shadow Recruit. They've also done a
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few I would say, less than stellar films like Baywatch or G I.
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Joe Retaliation or Snake Eyes. What come on? No, man? Uh.
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They do have experience with Star Trek too, though. They brought us
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a Star Trek Beyond and Star Trek into Darkness. Yep, so that would
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be who ends up controlling Star Trek. Yeah, yeah, that's another question
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that I think a lot of people are asking, is you know, what's
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how is this going to affect Star Trek. I think that's the biggest question
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that you know a lot of people are asking, at least people that listen
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to this podcast are asking that. And you know, they they've already set
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a precedent because they could. What Paramount could do is they could license out
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you know, and we've talked about this before, and this is kind of
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our fear, is they could license out different franchises, new Track, old
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Track, new movies, old movies, new upcoming movies, and they can
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all go to different and they've they've already done this with Prodigy, right they
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made Prodigy and now they licensed it with Netflix. And you know, and
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Netflix obviously has a ton more subscribers. I just looked up. Paramount Plus
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currently as of last year, has sixty three point four million subscribers. I
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think Netflix had something like six times at many hundreds of millions of subscribers.
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And so, you know, there there's a lot of money to be made.
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But the problem with that is where do you find it? You know,
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do I have to have a Do I have to have Netflix to watch
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Prodigy and Paramount Plus to watch Strange New Worlds and HBO to watch the movies,
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which right now, that's the case. Yeah, yeah, so you
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know, do I have to have a you know, are they going to
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sell off you know, next Gen D Space nine and Voyager now to another
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streaming platform right right? And that that could be very very possible. We
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don't really know. I did see. I don't know if you know who
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Robert meyer Burnett is. He's a he's a film commentator. He's also a
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former film producer and kind of like a Hollywood insider type kind of guy.
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He was talking about this potential merger earlier this week and he seemed to be
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very very excited about it. That the CEO of sky Dance has been known
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for finding people who love their properties and putting them in charge, so so
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that could be a good thing. Apparently that's why for Star Trek, beyond
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the you know what, people at least most people seem to think that it's
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a it's a better movie than than Into Darkness, Into Darkness, they went
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and got the director who did have a history of loving that movie and put
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him in so loving Star Trek. I forget his name. The guy from
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Fast and the various that everyone was like, I don't know about this guy,
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but right right, yeah, yeah, so so we could see potentially
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people who actually love it as opposed to people who see it as I don't
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know, a money machine, you know. Yeah, yeah, well you
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know, speaking of money machine. Yeah, if we come across this problem
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of what we just talked about about, you know, things going to different
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streaming services, yeah, it's going to be an invitation for piracy. It's
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gonna be an invitation for password sharing, and it's gonna be an invitation for
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uh, you know, going and downloading this the stuff illegally, and it's
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it's going to be you know, and I'm not advocating that. Whatever you
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do. You know, if you want to save some money, do not
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get with your friends and share an account on Paramount Plus. No. If
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you want to see a show that you don't have access to, you know,
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do not get a VPN and and stream it illegally over several different platforms
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that are available, right, do not do that, No, because you
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know, like I said, these these these companies are sending a message of
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we're going to expand and we're going to make it more difficult for you to
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watch your favorite, even something encompassing like Star Trek. You can't even watch
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all of Star Trek in one place, you know, at least with Star
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Wars, there's one place you can watch all of Star Wars. Everything that
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Star Wars has ever put out, including the Christmas special, is all in
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one place. And now Star Trek, which is seen by a lot of
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people, is sort of the other side of that, that sci fi pin
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point. There is not one place where you can watch Star Trek. So
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Andrew yeah, Andrew over on our Instagram Live says he really wishes they would
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remaster a Voyager, you know, yeah, yeah that and DS nine and
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yeah, that would be great. But those three tent poles next Gen yeah,
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DA nine, Yeah, Voyager, that would be great. Is next
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Gen? Do they stream Next Gen remastered? I don't think it's remastered.
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Okay, original series. They've done a they've done a job of remastering it.
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There are all the visual effect shots are all redone for the most part.
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Mh. And it's it's kind of a coin flip whether it draws you
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in or sort of like it pulls you out of the story right. Sometimes
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you just see it seamless. Other times it's like, that's really obvious.
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That's not how it was originally. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for
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sure. Yeah. You know, they put a filter over it and they
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take the computer and they do things, and I'm like, I wish that's
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good. I wish they could do that with some of the acting that William
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Shanner did, but the computer technology hasn't quite reached that level yet. Yeah.
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Also, in the Deadline article about Paramount and Skydance, it does say
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there are plans that if they do merge the companies, there will be layoffs,
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and so yeah, that that could be some of the reasons why staffers
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are a little bit nervous because that's coming, you know that that Yeah,
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yeah, so yeah, you can't really blame them for updating their LinkedIn Yeah
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yeah, yeah. Okay, Let's say let's say there is a merger,
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not necessarily between these two companies, but somebody buys out Paramount. What do
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you want to see out of a new owner for Star Trek? What are
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you what are you hoping for? What everybody wants to see? Just more
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and better content and a centralized location to watch it all, you know,
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I mean I understand that I can't watch Star Trek and Star Wars on the
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same platform. There's no reason why I can't watch all of Star Trek on
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the same platform. So just keep making content. Stop you know, it's
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when I it's when uh like YouTubers, YouTubers. I see YouTubers trying to
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find out how can I make you know, people watch my channel, how
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can I make people watch my channel? Make better content. Stop worrying about
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all the fluff, and just make my content. So that's what the key
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is. Keep making good content. And yeah, they've done a good job
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with Star Trek as of late of making good content. Keep that up,
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you know, listen to what the people are saying. Listen to the Star
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Trek fans. They're like, for the most part, they like what's going
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on. You know, Discovery excluded, but yeah, you know content,
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Yeah, yeah, I I don't know if I want more Star Trek as
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much as I want focused Star Trek. Okay, Like, even if we're
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only down to one's series, right one, let's say animated in one live
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action, great, but make that the best you can make it, right,
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Yeah, focus on the storylines, focus on the characters, focus on
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where you want us to get to. I think that would be great.
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I think if they're not going to give us Star Trek legacy, which you
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know, there have been reports that even the actors now are saying, well,
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if the fans want it, I guess what will happen? Which what
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does that mean? Right? Because the fans have been saying it for what
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a year now, like it's yeah, you know, they haven't brought it
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up, and so who knows, and and Terry Mentallis hasn't signed on to
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do anything else yet, so we don't know. And you know, like
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you said before, that could that that should be a sign? Yeah?
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Absolutely, you know, yeah, you know if Terry mattall what you were
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saying before a few weeks ago, Yeah, if Terry mettell It's not signed
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up to do another project, then maybe that means there's a Star Trek project
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that they're sort of talking about or working on, yeah, behind the scenes
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that we don't know about yet. Chasmin says they need to do late leadership.
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Yeah, I just put that out. Yeah, Yeah, I don't
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know, man, like I think you could focus it. I don't think
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you need to keep throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at Star Trek in hopes
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of you know, because the franchise itself, honestly, it's not as big
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as it was ten years ago, right by everything we've done. I mean,
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they've had to stop doing the toys they've had. They're not doing all
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the marketing and merchandise opportunities that they could, right, So there is some
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sort of disconnect there that that needs to be looked at and fixed. Right
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Well, I think also when you have a show that's exclusive to a streaming
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service, you are you're cutting off a large part of the population, right,
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Not everybody has Paramount plus, okay, And what made Star Trek accessible
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to everybody in decades past was it was syndicated on over the AIRTV, but
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also they were putting out movies in the theater. You know, two thousand
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and nine when Star Trek came out, the JJ Abrams movie came out.
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That revitalized the franchise a bit, quite a bit. Yeah, yeah,
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but we had never seen Star Trek. Went and saw Star Trek because it
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was in the theater. It was accessible, right, So make it accessible,
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you know, maybe take a risk and put another movie out there,
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and I know there's been talks of one, but don't make it on streaming
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because not everybody has paramount plus, right, you know I'm thinking about so
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I know that I'm the guy who follows wrestling on this show. But recently
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the ww announced they did a big sponsorship or a big broadcast deal with Netflix,
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and people notice of their three market or three broadcast deals recently, there
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are three different buckets. Right. They made a deal with with CW to
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broadcast their their kind of like development show. They did a deal with USA
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Network to do SmackDown, and then now starting in twenty twenty five, Netflix
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will be airing raw. So they have now done it where you can get
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wrestling anywhere either over the air, you know, antenna's cable and streaming.
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Right, So maybe that's kind of a model that maybe Star Trek should look
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into. Right. You you can you can send out your you're already done
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shows right your your back catalog if you will, So you'r DS nine's your
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enterprise. And yeah, it's gonna suck for US fans if they're all on
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different streamers, right, but that's gonna get you more eyes because now you've
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got more hooks in the water, right, So you send those out as
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you're streaming buckets, right, Yeah, you do your new show maybe you
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know, maybe you put it on CBS or maybe you put it on you
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know, one of their their cable channels, something like that, and then
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you do the animated show, maybe on the cable channel. So at least
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that way you're put you're reaching out to the broadest possible audience everywhere that they're
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at, you know, and maybe that yeah, you find it right,
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Yeah, so yeah, and maybe that's what you do to help grow it.
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Yeah, I just you know, it's a combination of what you want,
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what I want, you know, more yeah, more Star Trek and
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better quality Star Trek. Oh, I don't. I don't necessarily want that.
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I just think if I was a studiohead, and how do I maximize
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my potential of gaining an audience. That's why I do it, you know.
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Yeah, No, it makes sense, makes perfect sense. Yeah,
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it'll be a nightmare for us trying to like, oh I want to watch
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Voyager do it? Well, I need to go sign up for Hulu now,
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you know, like you know, if that happens, honestly, yeah,
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physical media, yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean I've
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got all the movies, every single one of them, if most of them
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on blu ray, Okay, I've got I don't have all the series on
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on physical media. Do you do you have Star Trek Caravan of Courage.
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I do not. Oh yeah, that's a good one. I do not.
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I don't even know what that is. I just merged it with the
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e Walk movie watch movies called Caravan of Courage. I feel like I just
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gave myself a NERD alert, warning warning alert, nerd alert. Yeah,
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yeah, that's great. I'd like a physical copy of the Star Wars Chris
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special. Oh yeah, yeah, most comic cons or conventions you can,
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you can find that. Yeah. You have to be careful though, because
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I heard I heard that George Lucas and Disney Studios they send out, uh,
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who are the Jedi hunters in the new Oh oh yeah, the the
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Inquisition, the inquisitors. Yeah, they exquisitors to find everybody who tries to
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collect those chasm as. You'll watch the e Waka Star Trek crossover. Heck
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yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll be some merchandising. Oh for sure,
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for sure, that'd be great. Yeah, but you know, I don't
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know, man. I think I would imagine within six to nine months we
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will have a buyer for Paramount. They are on those streets trying to sell
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that studio, and I think within sixty nine months we will hear something.
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Yeah, you're you're probably right. I you know, if you really want
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to, if you're really interested in this, you want to get a good
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gauge of what's going on as far as the strengthen you know, watch their
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stock and you see what the what the shareholders are saying, because that's that's
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gonna indicate what direction they're going. And it's going to indicate, you know,
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not only the direction they're going, but uh where where the shareholders will
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tell you where they want to go right right, obviously to make money.
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But you know, if you if you're a company that owns a substantial holding
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in one of those companies, you have a voice on what direction you want
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that to go to. So m hm h. Andrew is also saying,
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I'm not sure what you guys mean that everything isn't on Paramount. I see
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all the movies and shows on Paramount, So I don't know where he's from.
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It kind of depends on what in the world you are. What was
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it last month they got rid of all the old classic movies, the the
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tos movies, they went to HBO or Max and and then also Netflix has
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got Prodigy now, so they have been starting breaking it up at least in
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the US. Andrew but yeah, yep, yeah, that that's where we're
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at. Uh. He also does say that they need a good time travel
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show. I mean, sure, why not. We We've got the time
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agency right that they they've kind of alluded to. Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah, you could do something there that could be fun too, like if
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you did it as almost like a anthology show where the agents go back in
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time and maybe for a season they're in one era of Star Trek, right,
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so you like a temporal investor like Star Trek Temporal Investigations. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, but like maybe one season is cos the next season is
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DS nine, like you know, like that would be cool. That would
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be cool. That would be you know, something neat you know, it
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just it just kind of depends, but yeah, I would definitely want to
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that. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's definitely stuff I'd like to see.
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But uh yeah, So basically the main topic wise, there's not much more.
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We are we are hoping for the best for Star Trek, of course,
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but we'll kind of see. You know, I'm giving a ballpark a
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six to nine months, we'll hear something that's not a guarantee, yeah,
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I hope. So. Yeah, and it's an ever changing story too.
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Yeah, like you said earlier, you know, a month ago it was
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this, and three months ago it was that. So I mean, it
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honestly could be sooner just because, uh, the Super Bowl is going to
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be streaming on Paramount Plus this year, right, so going to be on
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Paramount, which would make it far more attractive. Right, So potentially maybe
29:06
you know, a few weeks we hear something or a few days, so
29:10
we don't know, Yeah, but we will definitely keep an eye on it
29:12
and we'll keep you guys posted on what happened. Or for those of you
29:17
who don't know, the Super Bowl is a contest, yes, for the
29:22
National Football League, between the a f C and the NFC. Uh,
29:27
and it's to determine who is the world champion between those two conferences in the
29:33
game of American football. That's the one would be oblong shaped the NFC.
29:38
That's the no funions comrade. It's it's kind of like that. Yeah,
29:44
yeah, yeah, all right, that's not like onions, but you know,
29:48
not everyone does. I just want to say, go lines. They're
29:51
going to the super Bowl this year. That's right, that's right. Yeah,
29:55
yes, yeah, their battle cries me out. Yes, yuh.
30:00
All right, Well let's get to listener feedback because we already got people waiting
30:07
listener feedback. Uh. So with listener feedback, is now time for Chaz
30:12
Is to show up. So there he is. What's up, Chaz biz?
30:17
Hello? How are you doing? Good? Are you doing? I'm
30:21
pretty good. I take my AirPod out real quick. Okay, I'm listening
30:27
to you guys on the phone, and then I have the delay. Yeah
30:33
yeah, oh gotcha. Yeah. So what do you think about those mergers
30:37
or sales talk? Well, the one people want out then yeah, leave
30:45
yeah, because you're not going to add anything to paramount. So sell it
30:49
to somebody that actually wants to produce something. You know. That quote should
30:56
be sent to uh the studio execs. If you want out, Yes,
31:00
that's like I like that. If you're just an investor and you don't care
31:03
about uh, producing stuff, get out absolutely your production company. That's what
31:12
you do, yeah, make content. And the other one sounds like just
31:17
the investor, you know, park the money there and hopefully gain something.
31:22
Yeah, you have any predictions as far as uh what Usually when they merged,
31:29
you know, they lay off people. And that's that's the bad thing,
31:33
right because like an Xbox and Activision they just laid off what nineteen hundred
31:38
people this week? And yeah, Microsoft is the largest company in the world
31:45
right now. Yeah, and are they valued at three trillion or something ridiculous
31:51
right now? Right? Yeah, you know that's another thing you you brought
31:55
up that a lot of people don't think about. This is affecting real people,
31:59
you know, very real way. They're livelihoods. There are people that
32:02
you know, these nineteen hundred people and from different they're not Yeah, they're
32:07
not like, oh that's the makeup artists and the film set designer and all
32:12
that. It's people like who work in accounting and yeah, receiving and stuff
32:17
like that. And the strikes have killed them too because nobody's working, right
32:24
they got you know, makeup, costume, all the guys that make the
32:28
sets, like a ton of people didn't make money for about six months.
32:32
Yeah, they had to find jobs elsewhere. And yeah, it's the effect
32:37
that the business. So I don't think anybody really gained during that strike.
32:43
I think it really hurt, you know it kind of yeah at the moment.
32:46
So yeah, plus, you know we got and they did that strike
32:52
the worst possible time because that was the worst box office year Hollywood's had in
32:58
years because Disney what they didn't have one billion dollar dollar movie and yeah,
33:06
the first time in like I think eleven years or something like that. Yeah,
33:08
yeah, yeah. As you go back twenty nineteen, you see all
33:12
their Marvel movies, they all hit, yeah, big time. It's it's
33:16
been a well, even in post pandemic, the box office has really changed.
33:23
Right, It's not what hits and what people come out for is very
33:29
different, right, Like what was it Top Gun Maverick. People did not
33:32
expect it to hit and it did. It was big Yeah, yeah,
33:37
yeah, okay movie, you know, and then there's movie. There's some
33:43
great movies. Like personally, I thought the Blue Beatle movie was really good.
33:46
I didn't think it was like a billion dollar movie, but nobody went
33:51
to that thing and and it was a good movie. It was. Yeah,
33:55
So you can't just say, well, we got to make better movies.
33:59
That's not just it. Like there's an X factor quantified like superhero fatigue
34:05
and I don't know if it's that, man. I think it's because like
34:07
you look at Guardians of the Galaxy three, that thing did Gangbusters and that's
34:13
also superhero movie that would in twenty nineteen, that would have made a billion
34:16
dollars and I think it was pretty close it It was like nine hundred,
34:21
yeah, but so like in twenty nineteen that maybe would easily surpassed a billion
34:28
dollars. I don't know what's going on with Marvel. I don't know if
34:30
the TV shows have affected it. I don't know if too many movies in
34:35
one year. I think Marvel it's it's it's lost its specialness and that there's
34:40
so much of it. Yeah, so then then you don't need to catch
34:45
up with all of it. And then there's also a lot of like loose
34:49
thread plot lines, like you've got the Eternal sitting in the middle of the
34:52
ocean that we haven't talked about since you know, right, yeah, yeah,
34:58
yeah yeah, Or what's his name? Was introduced to the black Sword
35:01
and what happened to that Harry Styles showed up in this was Thanis's brother,
35:07
right, all these things that are like are we ever going to talk about
35:10
that again? You maybe do you think that maybe the studios, say,
35:17
you know, Paramount or whoever produces Star Trek Has are looking at some of
35:22
these franchises and they're a little wary about making more of the same thing.
35:28
You know, they they see they see, you know, the Marvel universe
35:30
sort of at least in my eyes, sort of declining a little bit.
35:35
Star Warss like a little bit. I think I think it's a couple of
35:39
different things. I think the the budgets of movies is far too large.
35:47
It's far too large. Five million dollars at least, there's estimates that it
35:53
went up to three hundred three hundred. Was the TV show Oh yeah,
36:00
awful, Yeah you have so and that was a fun show for eight right,
36:08
right, Yeah, they're kind of a million dollars, so that thing
36:10
should be crisp. Yeah, they need to figure out ways to cut the
36:16
costs of these productions. Part of part of the other thing though to think
36:21
about, is you know, you would mentioned like, oh, maybe Marvel
36:25
the studios think their franchises are too overused, right. The problem with that
36:30
is if you're gonna go sync in hundreds of millions of dollars, are you
36:36
going to put that bet on something with no history, no no legacy,
36:42
or or something that look seventy five percent of the films make money. We
36:46
have merchandising rights. If we don't make money, and as a history of
36:51
a fan base of this large, you're gonna put your money more secure,
36:54
allegedly, right with what looks better. Right, You're not gonna just gamble
37:00
it away. So like you get it. You're right, you know,
37:04
I get it. Because the other thing, too, is you have to
37:06
think about studio heads. Do not look at these like a great treasure like
37:12
we look at it as fans. It is to them it is Well,
37:15
we made a Star Wars movie and they didn't come not Yeah, that's why
37:20
we haven't seen a Star Wars movie. Right, Well, they're not coming
37:23
to Star Wars anymore. Well, no, you made a crappy one and
37:27
it's been a minute. Yeah, so and you know it's been They keep
37:31
on announcing Star Wars movies, but they all get scrapped, right right.
37:37
I don't even know how many it's been scrapped. Like directs. We allegedly
37:39
have four Star Trek movies in the pipeline right now. Yeah, well we
37:44
see any of them, you know, we'll probably see thirty one allegedly.
37:47
I mean that's supposed to start filming, and if it hasn't, right way,
37:52
I believe it is when it goes into production. They hired like the
37:54
cast and carery and start film. I honestly won't believe it until it's on
38:00
stream on Paramount Bluff ready to go. Yeah, well they have how like
38:04
Bury movie. Netflix filmed and they just candid. I mean they filmed the
38:08
whole movie and they're like, na, that looks too bad, so they
38:12
just yeah, yeah, that Jake Gillenhall Roadhouse remake that him and the director
38:20
were like this needs to go to theaters and uh and Prime said no,
38:23
Amazon Prime is like no, we're gonna just put it on Prime forget about
38:27
it. Yeah yeah, I mean I saw the trailer. It looks like
38:31
it should be in theaters. To me, Yeah, I don't think it's
38:36
the best movie ever, but it looks fun. You know, well they
38:37
get use the original, but everybody loved it. Right now, there's no
38:44
competition. What do you mean by that, like in the theaters, because
38:50
there's no lot like genuine movies out right now. Yeah, not good movies
38:55
right now. Well, you're still playing Walk up from December, You're still
39:00
playing you know. Yeah, I do kind of see Chanz business point because
39:04
ye, anything in the theater right now that I want to watch that,
39:07
Okay, that might be a marketing thing, because that's part of it.
39:12
Yeah, because I haven't been bombarded with anything that I'm like, oh,
39:15
I've seen a commercial for that. I want to go see it in the
39:16
theaters, you know. And that's another you know, we're just talking about
39:21
Roadhouse. I hear about a movie and then there's confusion for me, is
39:24
this is this out already? Is it in the theaters? Is it coming
39:28
out? Is it something came out a year ago? Who knows? Right?
39:30
What's just throw it out in the theater. It cares well, like
39:34
I just saw a movie last weekend. I saw is S the International Space
39:37
Team? How was that one? It is really good? Okay, yeah,
39:42
it was really really good. And how do you have to go to
39:45
theaters to say that was in the movie theater? Okay, in the movie
39:47
theaters? Yeah. Yeah. I'll probably see one hundred movies in the theater
39:52
a year, so oh wow, okay, Son, I've seen probably two
39:57
movies a week, so usually it's old movie and I watch a new movie.
40:01
Last week, I watched Galaxy Quest. Oh nice, guys, so
40:06
nice, and I have that theater was packed and was yeah awesome. Do
40:14
you have like one of those movie past things? Uh no, I don't,
40:19
but I go on cheap Night okay, okay, they have cheap nights
40:22
on Tuesday Wednesdays sometimes okay, yeah, And so for six dollars a person,
40:30
and then I have a refillable cups that's two dollars nice, twelve dollars,
40:35
you know, fourteen dollars. Yeah, maybe for two of us I
40:39
have in your candy. So we have regal movie theaters where I live,
40:45
and they've got for I think it's like twenty three bucks a month, you
40:50
get an unlimited card and you can go to the movies as much as you
40:52
want. Yeah. No, yeah, so that's what I do. I
40:55
just have one of those probably about five different theaters. So oh okay.
41:00
Because I like, I have all the apps on my phone, I like,
41:04
oh nice, what's what's out there? And yeah, I saw the
41:07
Color Purple last week? So oh okay, all right, you know there's
41:12
the musical one, not the Spilberg one. But yeah, okay, okay,
41:17
that's awesome. Liked it, liked it. Yeah, I just watched
41:21
Mission Impossible, good record. Yeah, that was good. That's a Paramount
41:25
movie right there. Yeah, I watched them. It just came out a
41:29
couple of days ago. Paramount. Was it twenty eighteen when it came out
41:31
or twenty nineteen. That's also a sky Dance movie. Yeah, yeah,
41:36
great, maybe, but I think I heard because it said part one and
41:42
people didn't see it or what because they were banking on that movie last year.
41:45
And I don't know if that's what hurt it. It might be that
41:47
it's like the eighth one or seventy one. But it was good. It
41:52
was actually there were several problems with one. Dead Reckoning is the one where
41:54
a couple of years it was supposed to originally come out in like I think
41:58
twenty twenty one. Yes, yeah, COVID stuff. But that was the
42:00
one where Tom krit Cruise made the news for having those like expletive ridden laden
42:07
on set about not following COVID procedure. Yeah, and several crew members quit
42:14
over it because they're like Tom Cruise is crazy, and I'm sure that Tom
42:17
Cruise is absolutely Yeah, that was right. Then if somebody had COVID,
42:28
they had to shut down everything, right, and you know, everybody had
42:31
to go and quarantine all that crap. Theaters were so cautious. And if
42:38
you somebody had COVID that had shut down production, they can film and that's
42:44
cost of money. And he's he's a producer on that, right, right,
42:47
So that's costing Tom money. So Tom's so as far as the part
42:52
one and part two, I think when they marketed it, uh for Blu
42:57
ray release, and I think here they didn't. They omitted the part one
43:00
part Yeah, they recently retitled it to get rid of that. So and
43:04
the next one, I'm like, because it's a cliffhanger. Yeah, and
43:07
I'm like, oh, when the next one's got to be coming out here?
43:09
Right, No, coming out to twenty twenty five. Yeah, and
43:14
he's gonna be reworking it a lot. Yeah. Yeah, they're definitely reworking
43:17
it. But it was a good movie as opposed to some of the previous
43:22
ones. The plot was fairly easy to follow. Yeah, it wasn't too
43:27
convoluted. Yeah, you kind of knew what're straightforward? Yeah, it was
43:31
I like to Hunt for Red October at the beginning, you know the ship.
43:35
Yeah, that was good, pretty cool. This is a really cool
43:39
thing. So they did a transition of uh, I think like they didn't
43:44
Hunt for Red October where they're speaking in Russian and then it's subtitled and they
43:50
sort of move over towards English, and it reminded me of that scene from
43:53
Star Trek The Undiscovered Country where they're speak during the courtroom scene where they're speaking
43:58
and cling out and the sort they sort of transition into English, Yes,
44:02
but it's implied that they're still speaking kleanon. I like that. That's good.
44:07
Yeah, that's my favorite Star Trek movie of all time. Is I
44:09
Just Got Country? Yeah, that one's the perfect goodbye for that career.
44:15
I agree one hundred percent. It's one of my favorite movies. And Next
44:20
Next In didn't get that until this year, but it was It was great
44:25
to see they got a perfect goodbye because we had Nemesis in the theater,
44:29
and Nemesis was my favorite. Is my favorite is Star Trek Voyage of the
44:35
Dawn Tredder? Yeah, you bring it in War Trobe. It's right,
44:42
we're doing crossovers. That's right. That talking rat gets on board, man,
44:46
it's great. I would love to see some of the crossovers. It's
44:50
in Daniel's head. Oh yeah, it'd be great. The guys they have
44:53
like a big foot and they hop or whatever. Oh yeah, yeah,
44:58
you know I'm talking about. Yeah, it's kind of it goes kind of
45:00
crazy when you read those books. Mm hmm, yeah those are That's a
45:07
good but it does sound like if it's right star drag boage of the Don
45:09
Rudder. I mean, I like it. I like it. Speaking of
45:13
that, it was the Barbie director. Oh yeah, credit, Yeah,
45:20
she's directing that for Netflix, the the line of the Wits and the Wardrobe.
45:27
She's making Netflix. And she got robbed this week in the Oscar Dong.
45:32
Oh absolutely yeah. And Margot Robbie got robbed too. So yeah,
45:37
the star and the director I think got snubbed. So yeah, because that
45:45
was the biggest movie last last year was Barbie. So which is funny because
45:52
nobody banked on that. Nobody guessed that Barbie would be no no no.
45:57
I watched it. Uh. I gave it a C plus. Okay,
46:02
I liked it in some parts, but there's some prettiness, you know,
46:07
I mean there there was obviously a message. It was trying to deliver that.
46:09
I I kind of I got it. I was, I was okay
46:13
with it. I did think it was funny. The memes that, like
46:15
the fact that Margaret Robbie didn't get nominated but but Ken did was the point
46:20
of the Yes, the patriarchy not wrong, you know, not at all.
46:28
But you watched it, maybe it's like he's gonna get nominated, like
46:30
he's too good at it. He's yeah, he stole the show. And
46:34
then maybe like, yeah, he was on screen. He wanted to see
46:37
what Ken's doing, you know. Yeah, yeah, dojo mojo house or
46:42
whatever he lived in. They make they make like welcome mats and say,
46:46
welcome to my dojo mojos house. I'm thought about getting one. Just yeah,
46:52
yes, but very well, thanks chess. Was anything else you want
46:59
to up? That's all for right now. I mean, I'm just hoping
47:04
that they can get a movie together, get a cast together, get a
47:07
director, make it. Hopefully it'd be great to be able to go to
47:15
the theater again and watch a Star Trek movie. That'd be fantastic. Yeah,
47:20
don't do pretty cool guys, go forward. Yeah, I from your
47:27
mouth to God's here is That's what I've been saying all along too. We
47:30
don't want to know what happened, We want to know what happens next to
47:34
paraphrase, what does God need with the prequel? Exactly? Yeah, exactly.
47:37
Yes, it's like we're done with those, Let's go forward. What
47:44
happened after Picard. We don't need Michael Burnham timeline and discussion. If they
47:49
made Sturgery Legacy the movies great, yeah, yeah, sure, a different
47:57
career or something, you know. Yeah, and if they make the story
48:00
good, you don't have to have all the background, you know whatever.
48:02
I mean. J. J. Abrams proved that in two thousand and nine
48:06
and started beyond. You can just go and enjoy a good movie. You
48:09
know, if you go and see a movie with seven of nine and all
48:13
those characters, you don't have to you don't have to know their background if
48:17
you make the story good, right right? So do that? Yeah?
48:22
Yeah, because you watch Star Trek nine, you watched you see the cast
48:28
and characters, like, really, I didn't complain about any character on there.
48:32
Bones played Bones great, but yeah, you know, Pine did great
48:37
with Kirk and oh yeah, and what they did, I think what they
48:40
did a good job is the characters that should have been emulated were emulated well.
48:46
And the characters that should not have been emulated or copied they also did
48:52
a good job. Like you know, Spock and McCoy did a fairly good
48:54
job of sort of replicating that charm that their characters had, and Chris Pine
49:00
was credit did a good job of not doing that with Kirk. He was
49:05
very adamant that he was going to play Kirk, not an imitation of William
49:09
Shanner. Right, yes, so, and he ate the apple perfectly,
49:15
you know, yes, absolutely, But you won't have that problem if you
49:21
don't make any more prequels that's truely new and original and fresh and in the
49:25
timeline every single star Trek fan wise, which is in the next gen as
49:30
long as yes. Problem is is you have a guy connected to jar Jar
49:37
right now running the ship. So with Kurtsman, because he's the one that
49:46
wrote the movie, Alex Kurtzman jar Jar, No Robert Lucas it was Robert
49:54
Orse was a Kurtsman. You're thinking jj jearjear. Oh, you're talking about
50:01
George J. J Abrams No. I was joking about there. Some people
50:08
call him George. I have heard that that's funny because there's back now.
50:20
Yeah, we've run it back. We've run him back. I see I
50:24
did not know that. Okay, bear trapped my way right into that,
50:30
all right, But I'm just sitting here going, oh yeah yeah green like
50:32
an idiot. Sure, yeah yeah. Jar Jar was in Star Trek.
50:37
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a sister word. Yeah, because they
50:45
call him. I've heard people call him George Abrams because they're so mad at
50:49
I've heard that. Yeah, now that you say that, yes, I
50:51
haven't heard that. Yeah, because you know, he was the Spielberg prodigy
50:54
pretty much. And then after after he left Star Trek start fans are kind
51:00
of angry, but he made up for it for making a good Star Wars
51:02
movie with Forces Weakens. Then he makes uh Rise of Skywalker and everybody's like
51:12
yeah yeah, and he's been in director of jail since then because he has
51:15
nothing really in production. So well, he's had stuff, he just hasn't
51:22
gotten over the finish line with it. Like he's had to work on h
51:24
on some stuff for Warner Brothers, but it just hasn't finished. So yeah,
51:29
it was weird. I think they paid him, like he wondered fifty
51:31
million dollars coming up with like some new series. Yeah, he proposed some
51:37
sci fi show that was like three hundred million dollars and you know we're not
51:39
doing that. Yeah, oh really okay yeah yeah, and they like they
51:45
had already spent like close to like fifty million on it, I think,
51:46
yeah, so yeah, they and then they scrapped it. Yeah, so
51:52
all right, that's the same production in Hollywood has gotten out of control and
51:55
not that that's yeah, yeah, they are seeing in right now. It's
52:00
like you guys do to rein it in and yeah, these productions smaller,
52:07
Yeah, absolutely when you have have you guys seen Godzilla Minus one yet?
52:12
Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah it's great, great movie, was it?
52:16
Thirteen guys did the cg on that for god that? Yeah, they
52:22
got nominated thirteen guys. Yeah yeah, look at all the guys do a
52:25
Marvel movie and it's pages long. Yeah, of you know, cgry in
52:32
different stories and it's shows you that you can have a smaller budget make a
52:37
great movie if you have a great script. The movie the creator was like
52:42
that too, like it a million and fantastic visual effects, amazing and deservingly
52:49
so they should get the novel because you look at the special effects of the
52:52
creator. That movie look like, I don't know, almost like Blade Runner
52:55
in a way. Oh yeah, yeah, all right, well Jasmins,
53:01
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53:07
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