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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-28-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: to get into in the world of sports. As the
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  Speaker 2: college football calendar and news winds down for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Utah is settling into a relative quiet.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about the fact that.
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  Speaker 2: They've hired a new general manager. We won't know what
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  Speaker 2: his work looks like really for I mean months and
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  Speaker 2: months and months, potentially not until next transfer cycle, which
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  Speaker 2: is kind of interesting. And he's a guy who has
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  Speaker 2: been an offensive assistant. He's been I think his title
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  Speaker 2: at USC, as we discussed, was some kind of offensive
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  Speaker 2: strategy consultant. But the roster is pretty much what the
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  Speaker 2: roster is going to be. When we had Morgan Scally
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  Speaker 2: we talked with Morgan about it, he said, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: a player or two away from having this roster fully
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  Speaker 2: filled out. And my understanding is you're it's not hyper
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  Speaker 2: likely because of the availability of players and who's not
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  Speaker 2: in the transfer portal versus who is in the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 3: You're probably going to get at.
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  Speaker 2: Best role players at at this point to fill out
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  Speaker 2: those final couple of spots. So Utah is settling into
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  Speaker 2: an appropriate quiet on a football front right now. Plenty
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  Speaker 2: of discussion to be had with basketball. Gotta pile up
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  Speaker 2: some big twelve victories. It's not going to be a
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  Speaker 2: tournament year for the University of Utah. What the basketball
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  Speaker 2: postseason looks like, they can go on a run and
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  Speaker 2: get an invite to any of the postseason tournaments.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see. But it's kind of like the.
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  Speaker 2: You're laying down the foundation, You're not actually, you're probably
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  Speaker 2: not even laying down the foundation yet. You're digging the
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  Speaker 2: hole right now. For Utah basketball, you're getting ready to
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  Speaker 2: pour that cement. You're not fully pouring any of the
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  Speaker 2: cement yet necessarily. So it's an interesting time in sports
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  Speaker 2: and sports talk here on the Home of Utes, Home
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  Speaker 2: of the Utes.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a Super Bowl coming.
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  Speaker 2: The NFL is even more of a year round thing
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  Speaker 2: than college football is. But interestingly enough, I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos made some firings yesterday the same Denver Broncos team
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  Speaker 2: that I think most of us agree could have experienced
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  Speaker 2: a different fate in an AFC championship game if bo
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  Speaker 2: Nicks was healthy. They fired their offensive coordinator, they fired
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  Speaker 2: their wide receivers coach, they fired their cornerbacks coach in
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  Speaker 2: a year where they had a, I mean a hell
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  Speaker 2: of a season, and where Sean Payton himself acknowledges that, Well,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm okay with going forward on fourth instead of
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  Speaker 2: kicking and making sure we had at least a tie
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  Speaker 2: game there, and the foresight, the hindsight, the whatever, he said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not bothered that we went for it on fourth
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  Speaker 2: and one. I'm probably bothered with the play call. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's where most of us netted out. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: Sean Payton the play caller? Though, well he has an
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator named Joe Lombardi. Yeah, I I had always
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  Speaker 2: thought Sean Payton he's been the play He was a
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  Speaker 2: play caller throughout this time in New Orleans, even though
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  Speaker 2: he had a separate offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 3: So that's, yeah, you put You're probably right.
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  Speaker 2: That's what puzzles me about him firing his offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 2: because it's like, dude, you're the offensive coordinator. You I
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  Speaker 2: don't and and I'll admit I don't know there there's
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  Speaker 2: obviously some kind of separation where the guy who's the
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  Speaker 2: OC when the head coach is the offensive play caller.
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  Speaker 2: It's still take it's still shouldering a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: offensive preparation and load. But I don't know enough about
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  Speaker 2: that to know what an OC does when they don't
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  Speaker 2: call plays right, So.
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  Speaker 4: That that's puzzling to me. Why he would It makes
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  Speaker 4: you wonder what the Joe, what this Joe Lombardi guy
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  Speaker 4: did to make show on Peyton feel like he's the
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  Speaker 4: problem when I don't know Sean Payton seems to be
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  Speaker 4: the one actually running the offense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, even more of a confusing thing when you've got
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  Speaker 2: that gray area on what an offensive coordinator does developing
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  Speaker 2: game plans, and obviously it's just as much of a
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  Speaker 2: resume thing where you can put coordinator on your resume
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  Speaker 2: even if you're not calling the plays. You're right, he
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  Speaker 2: is the play caller on game days, but that game
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  Speaker 2: plan and that play sheet are put together in conjunction with.
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  Speaker 3: And so so maybe he.
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  Speaker 2: Just realized I don't like working with this dude, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe he looked like maybe he looked at it and said,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, that fourth down play where we had
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  Speaker 2: the right play called and then we changed things. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: Lombardi was the guy who convinced him. We don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the headset communication was, like.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure even though you're even if you're not the
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  Speaker 4: play call, the OC has a say in what play
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  Speaker 4: is called.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, wouldn't you would think so?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe?
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  Speaker 3: And maybe maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Payton just got so sick of the outcome there
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  Speaker 2: that he was like, you know what, anyone responsible for
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  Speaker 2: that is being fired right now. I can't fire myself. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to fire myself. The major point the
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  Speaker 2: major point here, though, is that we've seen this, this tiny,
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  Speaker 2: little narrow margin that exists in the job security world
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  Speaker 2: for coaches.
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Day. I've said this many times on the air.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Day would have been fired instead of winning a
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  Speaker 2: national championship if we had waited until twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: to expand the college football playoff to twelve ran Day
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  Speaker 2: would have been fired because he didn't beat Michigan, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't win the conference championship, and people at the Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State University were already souring on is weird. He insists
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  Speaker 2: the beard has not died. But that whole thing, right,
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  Speaker 2: we talked about the Ravens owner sitting down and saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, even if, even if Tyler Loop makes
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  Speaker 2: a kick, John Harbaugh is getting fired a week later, Well,
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  Speaker 2: what what if? What if he doesn't lose the next game?
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  Speaker 2: What if he wins the next game? What if he
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  Speaker 2: wins the Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 5: What if?
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  Speaker 2: What if?
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  Speaker 3: What if?
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  Speaker 2: What if John Harbaugh goes on the exact same run
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  Speaker 2: that Ryan Day did after he was just near that
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  Speaker 2: chopping block Because that field goal is made. That That's
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  Speaker 2: what we're looking at here, and it's part of the appeal,
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  Speaker 2: I guess of these jobs. It's part of the ethos
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  Speaker 2: and the mythology surrounding football, where it's just like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my goodness, I cannot believe that, you know, a ball
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  Speaker 2: back bouncing a certain way, a kick being blocked or not,
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  Speaker 2: a play being converted or not, can change the whole
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  Speaker 2: outlook on everything.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you have to look at it.
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  Speaker 2: I think you have to look at it from a
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  Speaker 2: Utah football perspective too. Would he who shall not be
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  Speaker 2: named still be the head coach at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 2: If he kicks two field goals instead of going for
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  Speaker 2: it three times on fourth down against BYU, I think
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  Speaker 2: he If you beat BYU, right, if you beat BYU,
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  Speaker 2: you're in the you're in the conference championship game at
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  Speaker 2: the very least. Now, let's say, let's not get unrealistic,
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  Speaker 2: let's not be crazy. Let's say you lose the conference
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  Speaker 2: championship game and you are in the exact same spot
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  Speaker 2: that BYU was this year at the end of the season,
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  Speaker 2: where you're playing in the Pop Tarts.
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  Speaker 4: Bowl, People's National champs, Private Arts Bowl champion.
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  Speaker 2: But the perception, potentially, I mean, on what side of
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  Speaker 2: the fence you fall on, you might be looking at
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  Speaker 2: it and saying, well, he was pushed out, he was
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  Speaker 2: forced out. There were people who didn't like the way
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  Speaker 2: that he did things anymore. It was just time and
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to stir that up anymore. But when
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about this Joe Lombardi cat, he's probably looking
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  Speaker 2: at it going like, dude, why are you firing me?
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  Speaker 3: You called the play?
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  Speaker 4: You know who my great grandpa is, no doubt he's
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  Speaker 4: related to Vince Lambard.
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  Speaker 2: And do you and do you know that we were
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  Speaker 2: an unfortunate, completely flukish, unlucky quarterback injury away from winning
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  Speaker 2: this game going away. Probably if we stayed this close
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  Speaker 2: with Jared Stidham, what would we have looked like with
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  Speaker 2: bow knicks Jared Stidham had him thrown a pass for
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  Speaker 2: two years coming into this game, Sean, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you get to make a case for yourself when you're
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  Speaker 2: being fired in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: You probably have to.
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  Speaker 2: Worry about burning bridges and you know, conduct unbecoming and
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  Speaker 2: getting a bad reputation. But that would be my instinct,
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  Speaker 2: like you're firing me, dude, are you kidding me? We
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  Speaker 2: were right there and it's not because of me that
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  Speaker 2: we weren't there. But in any case, it illustrates the
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  Speaker 2: grander thing here with coaching jobs in sports, where if
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  Speaker 2: you make a dang kick and you win that playoff game,
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  Speaker 2: or excuse me, you're in the playoffs, and then maybe
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  Speaker 2: you win a playoff game, then the owner does not
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  Speaker 2: sit down and say it's just time, it's time for
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  Speaker 2: us to move on.
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  Speaker 3: If you beat your rival.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't make the decisions that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: us pointed to and said that's the reason you did.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I did it. I did it.
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  Speaker 2: After the game, I came on Aaron said, this one
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  Speaker 2: is on the coach, this one. There's a hierarchy of
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  Speaker 2: responsibility here and this one is not. Oh yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: I called all the right plays in the execution was bad.
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  Speaker 2: I did all the right things and the players just
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  Speaker 2: didn't care enough. There was one There was a couple
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  Speaker 2: of plays in that game. There was one player in
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  Speaker 2: particular in that game where it's like, dude, you had
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  Speaker 2: to tackle you. That's a game changing play. But that
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  Speaker 2: one wouldn't have won you the game necessarily if you
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  Speaker 2: made decisions that took points off the board and those
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  Speaker 2: points instead were on the board and you beat the rival.
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  Speaker 2: Are you getting nudged out the door? Is someone saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I think that it's time. I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you one thing for sure, Michigan doesn't have their
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  Speaker 2: current head coach if that whole scenario changes, because the
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  Speaker 2: only reason that he ended up being the candidate that
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  Speaker 2: Michigan went with is because he was available. Michigan isn't
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  Speaker 2: coming in and paying a buy out for a sixty
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  Speaker 2: four year old coach. That changed the whole that that
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  Speaker 2: little butterfly effect changed the whole landscape of college football
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  Speaker 2: beyond the Big twelve into the Big ten, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: Bo Nicks trying to center the ball for a kick
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  Speaker 2: having an ankle problem that potentially changed this this person's life, certainly,
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  Speaker 2: But the whole Broncos trajectory's wild. How thin the margins
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  Speaker 2: aren't coaching, And that brings us to maybe the biggest
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  Speaker 2: story in football right now, and it concerns a man
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of people think is the greatest coach
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  Speaker 2: of all time, a man who lived and got the
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  Speaker 2: right side of those tiny little margins for two decades.
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  Speaker 4: Todd Mounkin being hired by the Browns, Right, that's what
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm talking about. Bill Belichick, a different
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  Speaker 2: Browns head coach, a former Brown's head coach, known most
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  Speaker 2: for his time with the Browns and the success that
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  Speaker 2: he had with the Browns.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry. Bill Belichick was a lot more interesting when he
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  Speaker 2: was the Brown's head coach than when he was the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots head coach. Have you ever seen the tapes, the
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  Speaker 2: old NFL films of Bill Belichick, Brown's head coach. He's
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  Speaker 2: like joking with the media. He's having a grand old time.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you get to New England, Bill, who hurts you? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well it was the Cleveland Browns. Thanks a lot, Cleveland.
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  Speaker 2: But Bill Belichick is not a first ballot Hall of Famer,
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  Speaker 2: and most of the football world is up at arms
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  Speaker 2: about it. Now. I'm here to listen to any argument
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  Speaker 2: you have about whether or not the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 2: voting situation the system is correct. But I put a
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  Speaker 2: poll question out that.
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  Speaker 3: I thought this would be the answer.
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  Speaker 2: I said, is it generally accepted that Bill Belichick was
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  Speaker 2: kind of sort of cheating during his Patriots run. Spygate,
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  Speaker 2: the flategate, two things they were caught for, and just.
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  Speaker 4: To be technical about it, I think that I, especially
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  Speaker 4: as a Patriots hater, colors this. I think that Belichick
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  Speaker 4: deserves some blame for the flight gate, but just to
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  Speaker 4: be technical about it, Tom Brady was the one guilty
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  Speaker 4: of that, okay, and Bill was guilty of Spygate.
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  Speaker 2: Not to flay Kate, but you could find you could
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  Speaker 2: find the sound bites of Bill defending himself into flake
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  Speaker 2: Gate and saying like I have never like concerned myself
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  Speaker 2: with this. Quarterbacks crushed the balls now Now, what what
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  Speaker 2: do we say about every other head coach with every
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  Speaker 2: other scandal, issue, problem, whatever that happens in a football
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  Speaker 2: program or a football franchise, What do we say about
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  Speaker 2: every other one? If it happens under your watch, it's
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  Speaker 2: your fault. Yeah, it's like a totally different situation. But
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  Speaker 2: like the the circumstances that led to Rick Patino getting
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  Speaker 2: fired by Louisville after an incredible run. There the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the the exotic.
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  Speaker 4: Dancers being arranged for recruits and things like that. He
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  Speaker 4: wasn't involved in that, but he was the head coach,
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  Speaker 4: so he had to take response ultimate responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: It's part of the reason you get the big fat check, right,
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  Speaker 2: you're in charge. So there's really not a good defense
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  Speaker 2: when you say, well, I didn't know about that, all right,
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  Speaker 2: Well that's negligence on your part for not knowing about
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  Speaker 2: everything that's happening in your program. I don't care about
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  Speaker 2: deflate Gate, if I'm being honest, I don't care about.
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  Speaker 3: It one bit.
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  Speaker 2: If you think that the Patriots won anything significant because
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  Speaker 2: Tom Brady's balls were a little.
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  Speaker 3: Bit softer than everyone else's.
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  Speaker 2: Football's people, Football's family show, then you're probably not understanding
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  Speaker 2: fully how hard it is to win at that level. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the spygate thing is a big deal. Absolutely, that's a
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  Speaker 2: massive deal. Yeah, that's incredibly egregious. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: it's what they were caught for, so how much other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like, I will ask you this out there.
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  Speaker 2: There is Jim Harbaugh a first ballot College Football Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Famer because of the championship he won at Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: or do you put an asterisk next to it? Because
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  Speaker 2: of the sign stealing. Spygate was the same thing. It
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  Speaker 2: was just in two thousand and seven before Netflix had
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  Speaker 2: a robust documentary sort of arm and so we didn't
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was heavily talked about, heavily reported on,
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  Speaker 2: but not on the levels that we get this exposure now,
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  Speaker 2: Like we we look at Spygate and all of you,
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  Speaker 2: ninety one percent of you said, yeah, he cheated. Now
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  Speaker 2: that's that's the main thing that we're thinking of. We're
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  Speaker 2: not thinking of deflate gate. But that's I'm sure a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people are taking that into a consideration.
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  Speaker 3: So here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Is Bill Belichick the best head coach in the history
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  Speaker 2: of the NFL?
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  Speaker 3: Probably?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Is it okay that voters said, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: you're not a first ballot Hall of Famer because you
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  Speaker 2: cheated for a couple of those championships, or even one
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  Speaker 2: of those championships. We're not gonna he's not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: held out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. This
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  Speaker 2: is not a Barry Bond situation. This is not a
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  Speaker 2: Roger Clement. This is by the way, the eligibility rules
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  Speaker 2: changed so you don't have to wait for a coach
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  Speaker 2: five years like you used to. As you're done, you're done,
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  Speaker 2: and now we can do it. It's like, okay, And honestly,
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  Speaker 2: maybe there are people that are just like, look, dude,
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  Speaker 2: your whole vibe right now is weird to me. It's
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  Speaker 2: one of the problems of putting this in the hands
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  Speaker 2: of voters. Right. We get all because we are a
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  Speaker 2: democratic republic, a constitutional republic here in the United States
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  Speaker 2: of America. We like to call ourselves a democracy, and
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  Speaker 2: we like to say a vote, the sank or sanct
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  Speaker 2: right to vote, and the sacrisanct nature of living by
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  Speaker 2: the results of those votes with a general populace. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: I'll listen to that argument. When you're handing the responsibility
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  Speaker 2: to two hundred and fifty people. If the opinions of
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  Speaker 2: those two hundred and fifty people net out in a
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  Speaker 2: way that you don't like, you can examine your system,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't act so shocked and surprised when you
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  Speaker 2: give a bunch of self important journalists and people in
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  Speaker 2: and around the game of football that might have some
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  Speaker 2: type of acts to grind with Bill Belichick for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 2: because he beat me too many times, because he was
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: spying on my gate during spygates, because my footballs were
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: overinflated and yours were underinflated, whatever it is. If you're
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: gonna live and die by these results, the only thing
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that I fully one hundred percent and all the way
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: agree with on everyone's sort of gripe list today the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: grievance is being aired today is that they're just like,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: all right, if you're not gonna put Bell Belichick in,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you better damn well tell me why. I'm totally fine
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: with anyone who wants to vote any particular way as
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: long as they can articulate the reason that they are
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: voting that way. If you can tell me why Bill
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Belichick doesn't belong on the first ballot in his hall
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: of Fame induction. If you could say to me, uh, yeah, dude,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I just I'll put him in next year.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I'll put him in in five years.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I'll put him in as soon as he gets rid
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: of that sugar baby he's got following him around, because
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that's conduct unbecoming in my opinion.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: But the spygate thing is enough for some people and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: maybe myself included, to say, yeah, first ball Hall of Fame, No,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: are you a Hall of Famer?
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Is your reputation gonna go down as you know, the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: greatest in the history of the game, and probably so?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And guess what this probably adds to that. Now, this
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: is this becomes a little footnote in the lore of
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick where everyone ten years from now, twenty years
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: from now goes, huh. And you know what, he was
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: so hated for all of his winning that people wouldn't
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: even vote him into the Hall of Fame straight away.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I am normally someone I'm a big time overreactor. Okay,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like today I am underreacting and everyone else
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is overreacting to the idea that Bill Belichick is not
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: a first ballot Hall of Famer and everyone, a lot
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of people who are normally silent on things, who don't
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: have comments on things are giving big time comments, are
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: making their case, and they're saying, well, if not Bill,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: then who.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Like Jimmy Johnson, who's on the TV right now, Pat McAfee.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, he had some strong words. Here's the thing. If
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you have to explain why you're not putting him in,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and that explanation includes, well, I think that he fudged
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the rules enough that he doesn't get to be a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer. For me, I'm probably like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: but he's a Hall of Famer, right, yes? Is he
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the best ever? Yes? Well don't you think the best
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: ever should be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Well? Yeah,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: but what if I told you that the best ever
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: in baseball is a guy named Barry Bonds? And then
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, yeah, all right, Well Barry Bonds and
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Pete Rose they're never getting in. Yeah, right, although Pete
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Rose is now possibously getting some momentum towards that he's
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: now allowed. He's no longer banned.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: But like.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Bill, what Bill Belichick did, what Bill Belichick was caught
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: for is probably enough for some of the people who
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: have votes to say no, dude, I'm sick of everyone
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: ling at your feet. You were a cheater like Jim Harbaugh,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to me is one of the most interesting guys in
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: all of sports. I look at the championship he won
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: at Michigan, and I say that is a tainted championship.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Michigan fans don't have to look at it that way.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Ohio State fans, I'm sure James certainly do. We should
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: look at everyone should look at it that way. On
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the record, See, I'm fine with Like if there are
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: plenty of people like Jeff Schwartz is going to join
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: us today. Jeff Schwartz, if he had a vote, he
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: puts Barry Bonds in the Baseball Hall of Fame every
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: day of the week. That's his favorite player ever. The
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: numbers before he did the drugs were Hall of Fame numbers.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He was already on pace. He didn't need to do it,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: which for me is even more reason why you should
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: punish him for doing it. That's that's my view on it. Like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: if you you didn't even need it and you still
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: did it, you're just a moron.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're willing to if you're willing to risk
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: your legacy for something you didn't need. And that's, by
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: the way, there's a similar tie to what's been reported
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: about what Belichick said about the advantage that that spygate
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: gave him. If you remember, I think it was in
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: the It may have been in the Big Apple Patriots
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Dynasty documentary. It was certainly reported to other places. But
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Robert Kraft asked Bill Belichick once they got in the
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: hot water for this, and after they the NFL punished
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: them for it, he asked him, what if you could
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: give me a percentage of an advantage this gave us,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: what would it be? And Belichick said one or two percent,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: And Robert Kraft called him a schmuck because that's ridiculous
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: to risk what we just got, the punishment we just
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: got levied on us and our reputation everything for what
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: you deem to be a one or two percent advantage.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: And I think that's also same thing you could say
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: about Barry Bond's a little bit different. Also, one or
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: two percent advantage is completely inaccurate, like for deflate gate,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Sure one or two percent gate.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Like, dude, if you know even what the.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Other team's formation is going to be before you actually
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: witness it, advantage you get ahead start in that play.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: If all you know, right, you don't know the route tree,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: you don't know the blocking scheme, you don't know anything.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But if you know this is a pass player, that's
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a run play, massive, massive advantage. If you know more
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: than that, if you know somebody else's play. We all
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: cheated at some point playing video games with our friends, right,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: we've all done this before. Remember the old techmo I'm
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: so happy we've gotten to reference super Tech Moobil and
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Techmobil a couple of times in the last couple of weeks.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Remember when you were playing defense in Techmobile, you would
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: try to pick the play that they picked on their
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: play selection screen, and if you did, that's a bust.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Your defense goes crazy whatever. Right, And when you get
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: into the more advanced games, you you could, if you
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: wanted to, you could watch what offensive package people were
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: picking because there it's a split screen and you could
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: give like you knew the tendencies of the guy of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: your buddy that you played with all the time. Now,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: when you're doing it like over the internet, I don't
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: know how it's done. Yeah, you only see your own screen.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You only see your own screen. But back back in
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: my day kids. It was a split screen, so you caring.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You were sharing one screen, so your defensive playbook was
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: at the top, the offensive playbook was at the bottom.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And if you played with your roommate every single day,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you were just like third and eight, I know what
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: he's gonna call here, and you would see, oh, yep,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he's picking that, Yep, he's in trips.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, and.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: You knew what they were gonna do, and so you
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: called the defense's onnor system. But you peaked, You peeked.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: All of us have done it, and it gave even
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: in video games, it gave you a huge advantage knowing
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: what play they were gonna run in real life, if
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you have Tom Bleep and Brady who's like, I know
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: what this, I know what pressure they're bringing. Or if
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: you're Bill Belichick, one of the best defensive minds that
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: we've seen in the NFL, and you're just like, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: know what the offense intends to do here. And I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: have Rodney Harris, I've got all of these monster defensive
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: players that I can tell, hey, it's going here. It's
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a massive, massive advantage. And is it the only reason
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: he won Super Bowls? No? If he had won a
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: single Super Bowl in the same year that Spygate happened,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: we'd be having a very different conversation. I think Bill
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Belichick realized at some point, or maybe he learned enough
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: from the spygate situation where he's just like, I don't
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: need this, I can win, I can win it clean.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe or maybe he just didn't get caught for the
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: other stuff.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is we have gotten to this
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: point in sports where the absolutism of like, well did
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: you win or not is all that we care about.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It's all that we care about, did you win or not?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: The means or the ends justify the means for people.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I'm still enough of a moralist when it comes to sports,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: because sports are a privilege. It's not a right, you
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. Did you put food on the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: table for your children? For me, the ends justify the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: means there like that, I'm not going to criticize you
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: if you had to steal to put food on like bread.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: On the table.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: If you want to go lay miserab with this thing,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. My moral gray ground gets big
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: when it comes to that kind of thing.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Sports.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: You don't have to win sports.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It's like you're not entitled to winning and you're not
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: allowed to cheat your way to winning. Still, for me,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I even hate the fact that you're allowed to spend
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: your way to winning in baseball and spend your way
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to winning right now in college football. I'm happy that
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti, even though they spent a lot of money,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: they weren't the biggest spenders. I'm I'm happy that Indiana
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: gives us that glimmer of hope at least. I hate
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the fact that you, as a Utah fan, has to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: now be apologetic over the idea that like, well, we
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: don't have as much an IL money or as everyone
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: else as Texas Tech does, so now we got to
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: like handicap or say no.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I hate that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I mean Bobby Black and that certainly seemed to be
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: in his thoughts. With his apology tweet. He sent out, sorry, sorry,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: we couldn't do more. And it's like, as you said, rightfully,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: you don't even apologize for anything, Bobby, but it sucks
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: that he may have felt like may or may not
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: for the be for that part of that reasoning.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: You know, Bobby, I'm sorry, I'm sorry because I'm sorry.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't I got into sports radio instead of like
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: a tech company and not becoming a billionaire because you
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: would give it, you'd give all your money.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: You know what, I would give all my money.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Weaber State football would be would be in the still ship.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: They'd be in the still surviving Pac twelve. If I
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: had been a billionaire ten years ago, j Hill still
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the head coach if you have probably so. Yeah, I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: mean the Belichick thing. Everyone just like he's the best. Okay, fine,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: he's gonna get in. But if you're not willing to say,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you know what, cheating is bad, Bill, and I'm gonna
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: punish you a little bit for cheating. The five hundred
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Nothing doesn't matter to Bill Belichie. Just some
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: draft picks too, right, the lost draft picks that hurt
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: you know when it happened. Yeah? Maybe, And look, time
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: serves great. Allow Bill Belichick to be an NFL coach
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. He doesn't have to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: serve suspensions anymore. That's you paid your penalties.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: That's okay.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But the Hall of Fame.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You are not entitled to the Hall of Fame as
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: somebody who competes in the NFL in pro football. Like,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: if that were the case, every single player can be.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I was in the league for ten years. I'm a
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. No, you're not, dude. You know who's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer the dudes who are the best.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And I get it. I'm going against my own definition
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: of what's a Hall of Famer right now. And I
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: heard Peter Schrager talking about this yesterday. Can you write
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the history of the NFL without Bill Belichick? Absolutely not.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: He has to be in the Hall of Fame at
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: some point. However, can you write the history of Bill
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Belichick and do a good job of it without pointing
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: out the fact that he was caught cheating? The answer
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to that is also no, you cannot. You cannot write
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's history without mentioning Spygate. And if you if
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you want to leave the flight Gate out, fine, if
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: it's only Spygate. For me, that's enough to look at
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: and say, uh, you know what, we will We will
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: punish you for this. I will tell you I'll put
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you in next year because of this? Can I say it?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Can I make another point too, I do not understand
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: all the NFL people, former great players, former coaches, Jimmy Johnson,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: for example, who have responded with so much outrage it's
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: like they got left out of the Hall of Fame.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's because coaches respect what he was
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: able to do.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And I think that coaches have this.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Arrogance that is sometimes earned, but where they're just like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you don't even have any idea random voter, random other person.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You have no idea how much it takes to achieve
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: what Bill Belichick achieved.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And guess what I don't. We don't.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I can promise you this, I will never again, in
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: my life be the type of person who puts eighteen
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: hours a day into a professional pursuit. Now, there were
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: times in my life where my whole day was taken
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: up with work and training. Right, it wasn't the same
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: as Bill Belichick grinding tape in his office and sleeping there.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But there was a time in life where I was
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: either working or I was training and the rest of
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the things had to go away. That'll never be me again.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: All Right, I'm a dad. Now I'm gonna play with
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: my kids instead. So I don't understand the sacrifice that
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and other coaches make to win these Super Bowls.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But I do understand that I never cheated on my
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: way to what limited success I had. Never I never
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: took a performance enhancing substance. I never deliberately did anything
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: that was a foul in a fight. I never one
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: time deliberately broke the rules or even really bent the rules.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I never did an.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: IV to rehydrate after weight cutting, even when it was legal.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I've always done things by the book. And because of that,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with people saying that's my expectation for Hall
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of Fame. It's not even my expectation for being in
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the NFL. It's not if you want to be in
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the NFL you want to be a total HGH juice
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: monkey and just do whatever it takes to keep yourself
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: in the league, performance enhancing drugs, whatever, like, I'm not
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: gonna judge you anymore because I realize guys have whole
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: networks of people to feed. I realize that if your
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: football career is over, in your mind, your life is over.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I hate that it's necessary for some people to do that,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and they're good at it. But when you talk about
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, when you talk about the ultimate privilege
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: of being recognized as somebody who is that much better
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: than all of your peers, who are all pretty damn impressive.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I am one million percent okay with anybody who holds
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: a vote who's been given that authority to say, sorry,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Barry Bonds, cheating still matters to me. Sorry, Bill Belichick,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: cheating still matters to me. I'm totally fine with this,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: And it seems like the NF weirdly is not the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: same people who were victimized by Bill belichick cheating are
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: also like, well, but you gotta put him in the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: One of them that stood out to me was Jeff's Saturday.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: That gay.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Do you know how many times Jeff's Saturday lost to
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: the Patriots in the playoffs during the Spygate era of
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the Patriots, by the way, those that first part of
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the dynasty, And he was he was one of these
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: guys going, this is ridiculousness, which listen, I agree that
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: he should be a Hall of Famer, even with the
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Spygates stuff, time served, whatever, But I'm with you. I'm
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: totally fine with I guess it was. Rich Eisen was
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: good about this. He said it had to be at
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: least eleven voters because that percentage wise gets you under
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: eighty percent. I'm okay with eleven guys agreeing that maybe
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: we'll vote. Maybe all of us or the majority of
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: us are going to vote him and eventually, but he's
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: not a first ballot Hall of Famer because it that
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: call them, call them unnecessary gatekeepers if you want they
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: The fact is voters are the gatekeepers, and they're allowed
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: to say we're gonna take a stance against cheating, We're
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: not gonna make we may not make this forever, but
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: you're not. You don't get the distinct honor of being
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: a first ballot Hall of Famer.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Being a Hall of Famer is
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: already such a lofty honor that guys in and around
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the NFL. I mean, this is like a lifetime achievement
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: award for people. To be a first ballot Hall of
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Famer puts you in that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: That other like category.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like being a unanimous MVP, a unanimous
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: All American. Like we find when even when we were
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: talking about the greatest of the great there are ways
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: that you can separate out the elite, even from the elites, right,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: and if people the only change I need to this
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: whole process that happened that resulted in Bill Belichick not
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: being a first ballot Hall of Famer is I want
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the voters. I want it to be public, and I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: want the voters who said no to tell us why.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And if their explanation is what I've been ranting about
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: for thirty minutes, I fully agree. If it's something like
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I just don't like him, I'm gonna be like, well,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: that's not cool. Take the vote away from that guy,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: or you know, he beat us too many times so
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I don't want him in. No, all right, I don't
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that's not valid. That's not a valid reason to keep
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: somebody out of the help. If if your reason is
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: like he creeps me out with this whole Hudson situation, okay,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: like he's old enough to be that person's grandfather and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that weirds me out, I have like a morality clause
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: in my Hall of Fame voting. I'm probably gonna be
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: like relaxed, but I also will listen to that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think that that's valid. Is I
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's anyone's Yeah, right, but yeah, Dan
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Patrick said it best I think, and he said, what
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: you're saying, if your reasoning is you don't like that
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: he was he cheated, then just say you don't like
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: to be cheated, because that's a valid reason.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Also, here's something interesting coming in from Zach Nole in
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: eighteen and oh four says, if they're gonna hold Belichick
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: off the first ballot, they have to hold Brady off too. Though,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: actually no, because guess what you could say as a
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: part of your reasoning for why you held Bill Belichick
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: off the first ballot. You could say, I think that
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady won those Super Bowls and Bill had very
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: little to do with it, and by the way, he
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: was a cheater. And then the counterpoint is, well, Tom
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Brady says that's the best coach he's ever had. And
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: my counterpoint to that is Tom has to say that
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Tom cannot say anything besides that he's still a forward
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: facing public figure. He cannot he cannot stir up any
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: kind of a hornet's nest there. Like if you're your
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: reason for leaving Bill Belichick out of the first ballot
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame category is because you saw what it
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: looks like when he doesn't have Tom Brady as a
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: core I will listen to that argument.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, like you have to make your own case. However,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I saw the graphic. We all saw the graph.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: He won one playoff game without Tom Brady as his quarterback,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: one one.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: When you could say, well Brady was caught cheating two
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: at the flake gate. But and maybe that's gonna be
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: a reason for a few voters, But that's not gonna
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: be that's not gonna be a reason for to put
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: him under the eighty percent that makes him a first
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: bout all Famer.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think it should be. We are we are
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: finding out more and more, in my opinion, that Bill
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Belichick was the best at being opportunistic and acknowledging what
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: he had, and honestly, he's he was a great personnel manager,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: all of these things that will eventually put him into
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, probably as soon as
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: next year, given the backlash that we're seeing right now.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: But I am if it's a hot take, I don't
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: understand why. I am one thousand percent fine with him
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: having to wait however long it takes, because he was
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: a cheater at one point and he never wonted to
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: allot Tom Rady. So I mean, it's fascinating to see
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: this reaction. We we are seeing right now what happens
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: when you tell someone that even like, when you tell
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: heroes that their heroes are not as good as they
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: think they are, it's like walking into.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like walking.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Into a group of musicians and being like, you know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: who's not that great of a musician and then throwing
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: down whoever is the most respected somebody who cares about music?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Tell me, you know who doesn't have a great voice, Adele,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and having him to be like, what when you tell
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: people that their heroes are not supposed to be heroes,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: they get mad about it. And this is, if anything,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: we're learning how much respect Bill Belichick has in NFL
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: circles because his foes, his friends, his contemporaries are more
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: up in arms than he himself is seemingly all right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: You may have noticed we don't have a guest at
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: eleven thirty today. I have ranted my way through nearly
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: an hour of radio. This These are the best times
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: for for OC. For OC wanting to continue continue his
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: points through a scheduled break is when we don't have
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: We don't have anyone scheduled, So it's so fine, poor
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: James as a producer has absolutely no hope in getting
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: me to stay on time when it's something like this
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred keep
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: it in uh. Also at thirty eight sixty nine, we're
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: gonna We're gonna address your point as well.
• 41:58
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: By the way, I was gonna say, just given the
• 43:22
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• 43:25
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• 44:23
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• 44:52
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  Speaker 2: hate the Abs, hate everything about Colorado, hate the Avalanche.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Denver is a way worse city. That's absolutely accurate. Yeah,
• 45:05
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• 45:17
  Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time on the Bill Belichick thing.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: One more text that I wanted to get to.
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  Speaker 5: Here.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: We were talking about this during the break. Bill Pollian
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: is kind of having to defend himself. I didn't I
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: didn't tell people. I didn't collude with other people to
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: keep Bill Belichick out. Uh. Pollion and Dungee did feel
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: that Bill Belichick had listening devices in locker rooms potentially
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: and even in booths and play calling booths. Mike tom
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Win also aired that grievance with the with the NFL
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: after a after an AFC championship game.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I think they're finally the stewarts final AFC Championship game
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: under Mike tom Wins. So yeah, there there are those
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: rumors too.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: So here's something that we know from the Cooper Cup story.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Here's something people in the NFL talk to each other,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: all right. So even though Poleon's going on now saying no, no, no, no,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't tell I didn't tell anyone not to vote
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: for Bill. I don't remember what I voted for. That
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: was so long ago. No one wasn't you remember? But
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: if there are people who feel like you got caught
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: for Spygate and there was other stuff that you never
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: got officially punished for. You shouldn't be surprised that this
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: is the result. It's a good point from our Texter
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: thirty eight sixty nine. Got to take another break here,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Darien Mensa, we talked about this, the injunction that the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: court gave the temporary restraining order so he could not
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: enter the transfer portal. Well, guess what he got what
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: he wanted. He got where he wanted. My big question
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: is what did Duke get back. We'll discuss that next
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven ninety two.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Who we were.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
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• 47:18
  Speaker 5: To a right.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: We have talked about some of these crazy stories in
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal where the lawyers get heavily involved. Darien Mensa,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the Duke quarterback who entered the football transfer portal at
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the eleventh hour and lawyers had to get involved because
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Duke was like no, no, no, no, no no, you signed a
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: deal with us and we intend to enforce this. Duke
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: did what Dabo Swinney is threatening Clemson from Clemson with
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the linebacker situation where Ole miss which is a linebacker
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: for a couple million bucks. And Dabo went and told
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: his tales out of school and named names and took
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the time stamps and said, hey, I'm not allowing this
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: to happen on my watch. We're going to pursue this
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: to our legal ends. And Duke did the same thing
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: with Darien Mensa. Miami won, though, and Darien Mensa got
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: what he wanted. Now eight seven seven three five three
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: zero seven hundred. If you've seen the number on the settlement,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: any kind of reliable reporting on how much Duke got back,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: please find it for me.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Let me know.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I cannot find the real number here. The reason I asked,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the reason I want to know is because again, all
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: of these things that are happening semi for the first
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: time are setting a precedent. And I'm not just talking
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: about the legal precedent like the in court president. I'm
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: talking about the industry and the standard of what college
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: football is going to do with these, what college basketball
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: is going to do with these in the future.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: What did Duke get back.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Because they denied the request for Darien Mensa to get
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: the release. They said, no, man, will you signed a contract.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: You're going to play out your contract, and yes, we
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: will pay you what we agreed to pay you, but
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: we need a quarterback. And Darien Mensa, after his conversations
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: with Miami again tampering unenforced and perhaps unenforceable, Darien Mensa said, no,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going I need to be in the transfer portal
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: and everyone knew it was Miami. He didn't name Miami,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: but everyone knew it was Miami. And now Miami's got
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: him and he only missed a month to school. Because
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: we're gonna pretend that that matters for five minutes. What
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: did Duke get back? And the reason I want to
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: know is because for Utah, I guess also for BYU,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: there are going to be scenarios in which you have
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: a player who's like, all right, I'm happy to be here,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I love this, I love playing for Morgan Scalley, and
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I would like to extend my contract with you guys.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: And that person is going to sign on the dotted line,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: and the university is going to be happy, and at
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: least for a time, that person and their family and
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: whoever else is involved is going to be happy.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: They might get a phone call from Ole Miss, they
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: might get a phone call from LSU, they might get
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a phone call from USC heaven forbid, a phone call
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: from Michigan. I know we've already been through this and
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: now that these teams are putting enforceable language in these contracts,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: and we know that's true because of the Demon williamsitu
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: at Washington. DeMont Williams and his attorneys were just like,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: you know what, let's not do this. Let's let's not
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: cause any problems here. They went back to Washington. Now,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: in the dairy and Mensa case, he's not going back
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: to Duke. But Duke is not left holding the bag.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Duke is not standing left in the lurch. Duke got
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: something in a settlement. I desperately want to know what
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: that settlement really looks like. I desperately want to know
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: if the damages, if the settlement, if it's just a
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: an even exchange, if it's a full refund, so to speak,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: where it's like the Mensa contract never happened, or is
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: there something on top of it, Because if all you're
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: getting is a net neutral here, and you still lost
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: the player. That is a big win for MYAI, and
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that is a heavy loss for Duke. Recouping your money
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: or whatever doesn't mean anything here. Duke has enough money,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: they can print the money. They can go to the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: booster and ask for the money. What they need is
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: a player. What they need is a quarterback.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: And now that the.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Transfer portal is closed, Duke is in a really, really
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: tough spot where if they wanted to get that, they're
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: gonna now have to sue the NCAA to allow for
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: them to tamper with somebody else's QB the way that
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: their QB was tampered with. You see what a mess
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: this is. So how much is that worth financially to Duke?
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a number, like if Duke
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: gets an extra ten million dollars out of this, if
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Miami had to call a billionaire booster and say give
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: me ten million bucks so I can shut up Duke,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and Duke gets ten million dollar donation to their NIL fund.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Because of where the calendar is at right now and
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: the fact that there's not another transfer portal window opening
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: before next season, did Duke really get anything meaningful to
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Duke for twenty twenty six. Did Manny Diaz, the former
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Miami coach that's got to kill him by the way,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: who won the conference championship, did he actually gain anything
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: meaningful for next year with this settlement. I think the
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: answer is definitely not. And maybe if the timing were
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit different and he could take these damages
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and he could deploy them in the favor of the
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Blue Devil's roster, we'd be having a completely different conversation,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: and maybe we'd just be like, Oh, you know what,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you can't hold guys that don't want to be there.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: You can't keep people there if they don't want to
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: be there. But man, if you don't have the means
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: to replace your talent, even though you have the money
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to replace your talent, it's not anything like what did
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: you settle for?
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Duke?
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Agreeing to this settlement is a massive loss, unless James
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: is there's something I'm missing here, where Duke was like, yeah,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: we actually didn't like that Mensa kid that much anyway,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: that's why we were gonna pay him five million bucks.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's gotta be some kind of they they have
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: to I would guess some kind of financial Hey, we're
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: gonna give back this much money there's got it's gotta
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: be that.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: It's gotta be.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: But even if it is, how much money does that
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: have to be to offset the number of games extra
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: games now that you're gonna lose because you don't have
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Mensa and you can't replace him. Here's the other here's
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: the other angle.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: Going, I mean and local tie here this is I
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: would think how Morgan Scaley would approach the situation what
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: I'm about to lay out here, because he said, I
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: want we we want players who want to be here,
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: right And if Duke through this process found that Darien
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Mensa is not, they're not going to have the the
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: situation where Washington was confident in convincing Demon Williams to
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: come back and confident that they would still have buy
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: in from Demon Williams as their starting quarterback if he
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: were to come back enough to fight that and get
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: him the Hey, no, you're gonna we're gonna You're gonna
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: honor your end of the deal. Because we're honoring our end.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: We're gonna enforce our end of the deal. Right I did.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's it.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Duke. Duke was like, even if we had him back.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: He's he's not bought in, so he's gonna be in
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: the way, right, sure, so we will.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: We will settle.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: For whatever money you want to give back to us,
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: because we don't want we can't have a starting quarterback
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: that doesn't want to be here.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be disgruntled.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's which with Maybe that's why they're will they're
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: willing to eat the the unfortunate fact that hey, we're
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: gonna be worse next year.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Let let's let's localize this.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, most people believe that Celestimoa was tampered with, all right.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I tend to give Michigan a little bit more grace
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: because of the relationships that Lewis Powell especially had with
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: the Moa family.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, neither here nor there, but let's say that. And
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: by the way, he did jump into the transfer portal
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: very late in the cycle. But let's say that Michigan
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: was hasked, was forced to pay a settlement to Utah
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: for losing Celestimoa to Michigan in our case, in the
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: case of Utah football, that would be a welcome sort
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: of outcome here. That'd be something you'd just say, oh, cool, yeah,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: so we got you know, two million bucks because we
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: were going to pay him one we added some damages.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: We got two million bucks here, and so we're gonna
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: be able to use that on somebody. And then the
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: question immediately turns to, all right, cool, we got money.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: How are you going to use it?
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Though, because now you can can't go get a guy
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: that you think is a close replacement. You can't go
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: get like the analog, the analogy for this player, because
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: they're not out there anymore. The guys that are that
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: good are already gone from the transfer portal. They've already committed,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: they've already enrolled. And that's where this is so fascinating
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: for me. I just pulled up the duke roster and
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: they've got a freshman quarterback named Dan Mayhan Okay.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Dan Mayhan was.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: A pretty solid high school quarterback six from Burlington, North Carolina,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: three star athlete.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Okay could be could be a lot worse than having
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: that guy slotted into your starter, the number fifty six
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: ranked quarterback in his recruiting class. They also have a
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: grad transfer from Valparaizo named Michael Apple Junior who's six four,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: two fifteen and looks like he is a team manager.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Now only in the photo because those measurable you can't
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: tell how tall he is in this photo. But man,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: he looks like he should be the team manager. Uh, scrawny,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: long neck, but he's six four two fifteen. Okay, shout
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: out to Valpo. Good for you, Valpo. All Right, So
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: maybe that's a great deep QB room. When Darien mens
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: is the guy at the top, Now that's the QB room.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: And now there is not a mechanism.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: And I think it's correct in college football that we
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: have a single transfer portal window. Now I would despise
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: them opening up a post spring window.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Again, there's still we still have the official national signing Day,
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: so there's still a chance to get high school guys right, correct,
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: that's coming up. But that's not near as good a
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: mechanism as a transfer portal this time of year.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: The top uncommitted high school football quarterback of twenty twenty six,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: You think that guy's going to Duke? Maybe now he
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: is because they've got money that Miami had to pay
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: them for stealing Mensa. Possibly that's that's our best guess
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: is they're they're end of the settlement jet.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: The Maala from Omaha, Nebraska.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Jonas Williams, Jake Fett, Traden Besseinger, oscar Rios, and Bryson
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Beaver are the top uncommitted quarterbacks remaining an all named teams.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Some of those guys, Wow, well did I By the way,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: did I hear Boba's nephew?
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: If your name is Jake Fett and people don't call
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: you Boba or at least Django, they are really missing
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: out on an opportunity here. He's from El Paso, Texas,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: some kind of some kind of Star Wars theme. Bar
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: isn't isn't lining up to give you an I own money?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: By the way, trading Messenger is from Davis High School
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: in Kaysville, Utah, So he might I was.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Gonna say, messengers sounded familiar. He might have a fat
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: old bag coming his way from.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Duke, So this could potentially work out well.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: For a local.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: They're gonna throw They're gonna throw a shot in the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: dark with the for a dart.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, that was not here's the thing, good time for
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I understand why Duke had to do what it did
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: in settling here, because, like you pointed out, and like
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley's philosophy is and I think most college football
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: coaches feel this way. If you don't want to be here,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: we don't want you to be here. But if you
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna leave after we've made this agreement, I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: want to get something back. There are mechanisms for this
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: in every professional sports league. Right You get compensatory, you
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: get trade value, you get things like that. We're on
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: our way toward collective bargaining, and maybe trades become a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: thing in college football at some point. I don't know
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: what Miami could have given back for MENSA that would
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: make Duke feel good, but from a financial standpoint, and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: I understand why they They probably didn't have a ton
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: of leverage here, but I need to know that number
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: because if the number is not like twenty five million dollars,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: which I know it's probably not, then Duke just got
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: fleeced here, got screwed here, got killed here. And that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: sets a bad precedent in college football because now that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Miami and those type of schools know, well, if I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: can convince someone in my own conference, my own division,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: if I can convince their best player in the eleventh
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: hour to jump into the transfer portal, and all it
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: takes is for me to pay their way out of
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: the legal trouble that comes from it. I can handy
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Cap Duke and get this player at the same time,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: and all it's gonna do is cost me two million bucks,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: five million bucks, ten million bucks. If money is something
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: that is readily available to you, and for some schools
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: it is, this sets a terrible precedent. If I'm Oregon
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: and Dan Lanning I think is a man of a
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: higher competitive sort of morality than this. But like if
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I'm if I'm an Oregon, whatever, if I'm Phil Knight,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just going like, wait a second, who can we
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: take from Indiana on the Friday of next year's transfer
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: portal that keeps them from beating us? All it takes
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: is money. If all it takes is money, and I
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: have lots of money, there are people out there, and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: I know it's hard for us to understand at the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: University of Utah, but there are schools out there, and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: there are boosters out there where money is like not
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: even a concern. They don't view it the way that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: you would I view it. I don't think by using
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: that category. Yet Texas Tech is by the way you watch.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: For the foreseeable future, Texas Tech is not gonna have
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a situation where money stops them from getting anything they want. Guys.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: If guys don't choose Texas Tech, it might be because
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: they want to go to Ohio State or Alabama or
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Notre Dame more.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Or that's just it. Or they just want to live
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: in a place where there's more than two targets, or
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: they just don't want to be in West Texas, you
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like that, that's all that all
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: still comes into play, But money is not going to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: be a thing that stops Texas Tech from getting what
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: they want moving forward. BYU there's still enough layers of
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: bureaucracy and influence from decision makers in downtown Salt Lake
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: City that they're they're gonna deliberately not be the highest
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: bidder on some things when I don't I don't think
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: they have Cody Campbell Texas Tech money. I think they
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: have a lot of money, yeah, but I don't think
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: they quite have that kind of money.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I think they do.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Because they do because there's I mean, we know at
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: least one billionaire donor.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point, and there's more than just
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: one billionaire that's donating.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: And by the way, we're not approaching in any of
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: these situations. We're not approaching like even double digit millions
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: in all that's been reported so far. I mean, as
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: far as we know, there's not a single quarterback in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: college football yet that is making ten million plus for
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: one year. As far as we know, Arch Manning is
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: probably getting close to that right now. I maybe maybe
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: they're maybe the uh oh, I guess uh Dante Moore, Yeah,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Dante Moore. We talked about a ten million dollar deal
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: for Dante Moore.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: So that's but that's the top. We're not we're not
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: seeing more than ten right so players yet, if.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: You are a billionaire, ten million dollars is not a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: lot of money if you care like Cody Campbell does.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: The care factor is the thing that separates here and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: and for Byu there's also a there's some insecurity with
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: one with garnering a reputation that you buy everything you want.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: They don't want that to be the reputation because Byu
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: has to live on this thing like this is a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: special place that is different than other places.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: You're here because you fit here.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: You're here because you want to be here, And if
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: you have a person, a player, a coach say I'm
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: here because they pay me more than anyone else pays me,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: that undermines that mission statement at BYU.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: So they have to be careful about it.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech doesn't, Oregon doesn't, Ohio State doesn't, Michigan doesn't,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Alabama doesn't. They could just be like, this kid didn't
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: even to be here, but we gave him a offer
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: you can't refuse.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: It's funny in theory Notre Dame has to. But I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's not the messaging Notre Dame puts out.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame is so funny as a religious.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Institution, it's like the fifteenth thing down everyone's list, like,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, Also, there's a priest at the game.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: Also, like the the iconic Catholic school in the entire country,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: if not the.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: World, is Marcus Freeman Catholic?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: He might not be. I don't know. He's a buck guy.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: You you cared to know that. I didn't care to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: know that. Okay, yeah he is all right? Okay, So
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: maybe they do care on that level at.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Least, But but they don't put out this messaging that hey,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: we any kind of thing that we've heard from folks
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: at BYU and around BYU saying trying to convince people
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: they're not the highest bidder all the time. They just
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: if we are, we yeah, we we have that kind
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: of money.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Wait a second. He converted to being Catholic.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Oh after he was hired.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: It looks like, oh my goodness that whoa, whoa, that's.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna touch that. I'm gonna leave that alone.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: Some admiration you have for him as someone who grew
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: up Catholic.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman converted to being Catholic after he became the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: head coach at Notre Dame Notable Notable. All right, Uh,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe there's hope for me to be the head
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: coach of b YU football.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, James, that's all you gotta do. We're getting that
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: weird number calling us again.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm kidding, Marcus. I'm not putting that evil on you.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: I if that's wonderful. If that, I'm sure it was.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was very sincere one. Al Right, we
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: got it. We're gonna leave it alone. Daily Duck is next.
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  Speaker 3: This one's a fun one for Utah fans.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: The Rivals put out their final rankings of the twenty
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: twenty six recruits the top recruits in the country and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six and Kelvin obot As a five star
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: who played his high school ball, of course, up in Fruitland, Idaho.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: For Jordan Gross, who is now your offensive line coach
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: at the University of Utah obat in class committed stage,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: he's the number five player in the country according to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the Rivals final ranking of their five stars. There's thirty
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: two to five star athletes in the Rivals rankings, And
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: like I said, they do a really good job of
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: separating these guys and being as accurate as you can
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: be on predicting their success. Do you know what the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: draft rates? The draftability rates for five star recruits is James.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: So this is the rate that these guys end up
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: getting drafted just anywhere in the draft? Yes, secure place
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: thirty five percent. It's about sixty five sixty five percent, Okay,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: I way low balled it. I the reason I went
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: that low is because I feel like we hear of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: so many that highly touted coming out of high school
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: end up not making making it to the NFL, being
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: kind of college bus if you will.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: So it's sixty five percent. Yeah, they did a study
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty drafts, and forty eight
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: percent of the five star prospects in that time were
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: selected in the first round of the NFL draft. Five
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: star recruits ranked in the top fifteen are most likely
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: to be drafted, with most of those going in the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: first two rounds. So if you're a five star, you
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: are thirty seven percent. Oh excuse me. The four star
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: draft rate is about thirty seven percent. So if we're
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: talking sixty three sixty five percent for five stars, you
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: got a significantly higher chance to be a drafted player
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: as a five star. And I'm not telling you anything.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: You don't know the expectation for a five star. For
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Kelvin Obot, who came into the program as a freshman
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: higher rated than Spencer Fano did, who was just named
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: the number one offensive lineman, the number one lineman in
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: all of college football, the expectation is that he will
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: be a three years and done type player, the number
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: five guy in this draft class, sorry, in this recruiting class,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: according to rivals, And of course there's multiple recruiting services. Uh, Celestimoa.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I know this is painful for a lot of people.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: They had thirty two five stars in the class this year.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Number thirty is headed to Michigan, the son of ben
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Moa Celestimoa, who look I still wish the kid well.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: I still hope he ends up having, you know, a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: successful college football career. I would bet a lot of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: money that he doesn't have his he doesn't finish at Michigan.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Just the nature of.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: College football now is Miami's gonna call him. Maybe my
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: hope is my secret hope, And I don't know how
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: likely this is. I don't know the kid personally. I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: know his dad personally, I don't know the kid personally.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: My hope is that he's the baby of the family,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: right and the baby of the family is usually baby
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: in the family. So the baby of the family might
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: be the one that's just like I want to go home.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: That's my hope. I'd still I'd still be excited about
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Utah getting them back. I know that there's a lot
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: of fans who don't feel that way, and I'm certainly
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: not holding my breath for it. But you got the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: number five guy who's in your program right now. That
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: has never happened in the history of Utah football ever,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: not even close that's awesome, And as you said, there's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: still a lot of hard feelings about Selestimoa situation. But
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: if you're a Utah football fan, you should feel really
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: good about this recruiting class. Given that you have, even
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: with that that that flip who flipped to you initially
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: anyway getting a little hairy there. Getting the number five
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: guy in this class is keeping that guy. You should
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: still feel really good about this recruiting class, just just
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: with that in a vacuum of course, gonna he gonna
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: have to get over the the Selestimoa thing at some
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: point because he's not gonna be a ute next year.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: The number one guy in the class, and again, these
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: rankings are what they are. Take them with a grain
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: of salt. But did the numbers say that, you know
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are two thirds of these
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: guys are going to be drafted. Luke Waffle is headed
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: to usc The number two guy is headed to Vanderbilt.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Jared Curtis is the number two five star in this class,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: number two overall recruiting his class. According to Rivals, He's
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: going to Vanderbilt. Offensive tackle Jackson Cantwell is going to Miami.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Keyshawn Henderson another quarterback number four. Guess where he's going. Houston.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: What Houston might be one of those teams that's on
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: the come up in a way that makes us pretty
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable soon in the Big twelve.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Willie Fritz is a good coach now and he's shown
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: that especially this year, building Houston into a Big twelve contender. So,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: and Houston is a big city, big market. That's I
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if they if they are on the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: come up and they end up being a mainstay in
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: the Big twelve at some point. Did you see by
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: the way, we got a listener tuning in from can Kun.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to Albert. Yeah soon Suka fan, We
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: love you Albert. Love that little tailgate on the beach. Okay,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: So going over these five stars, it's really interesting. This
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: is just this year's class, the twenty twenty sixth class. Obviously,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: let's see Ohio State got one, two, three, four. Five
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  Speaker 2: of the thirty two five stars are going to Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: Three of them are going to Michigan, one obviously headed
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: to the University of Utah. Notre Dame also got five
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: of the five stars in this class. Alabama looks like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: they got two conspicuously absent for me here, Georgia only
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: has one guy of these five stars. George is usually
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: stop piling these bad boys. Now, if I pulled up
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: the list of four stars, they probably have all of them.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: But Georgia only got one, an offensive tackle a Kenna
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: of Boco. Oregon has two. So man the Big Ten
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Conference and the SEC Conference and Notre Dame just gobbling
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: up all this talent. But somehow Utah got the number
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: five guy in the class and you love to see it.
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  Speaker 3: That's your daily dub.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, there's actually a significant NBA story that's come out
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: just real quick. Idn't want to touch on Yannis preparing
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: for a trade from the Bucks as the deadline nears.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: Now that doesn't mean anything necessarily, but it is very
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: interesting because both he and Milwaukee have tried to separate
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: themselves from from the rumors from Janice's camp that he
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to be there anymore. Since when did that?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: When did that first surface? Two years ago? But it
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: really started to ramp up what sept September October? Yes,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: and he's really he's really tried to distance himself from that.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: So it's it's interesting to see that that's heating up
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate this about Yiannis because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: he's like very insistent on taking the high road here
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: and not he doesn't want to be the professional athlete
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: who looks ungrateful in his demand, Like he doesn't want
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: to be a villain. He's he won a title, he's
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  Speaker 2: beloved in Milwaukee, and obviously he's made an incredible amount
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: of money there, and he's like, I mean to me,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: that is it's a win win relationship what they've gotten
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: from each other in Milwaukee right now. And I think
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Janis acknowledges that even if the time for that has
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: come to end, I think he doesn't want to sour
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: it and he doesn't want to like make the fan
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: base turn against him, which is is cool to see.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: It seems like, at least for me, he cares about that.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: The question is, and you're right, we're seeing that headline
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: that it looks like this Jannis era in Milwaukee might
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: be coming to an end. Who is going to be
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: able to give Milwaukee what they want.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: In Milwaukee, you want lowry marketen and some draft picks.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: We we can do that here in.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Slow Lake City, I mean, and is Janni's going to
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: be likes going to be like, if you're trading me,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: you're trading me to La You traded me to Miami,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: you trade me.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm the bus, which contender though, has
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: the assets to put together in order to make this happen.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: If I'm the Knicks, I should say I just said
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: if I'm the Bucks. If I'm the Knicks, Karl Anthony
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Towns is disfrontled yet again, and he's also a minus
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: when it comes to playoff performance. I would be like, hey,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: we'll give you Karl Anthony Towns right now. We don't
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: even have to wait for the deadline. So if I'm
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: the Knicks, I'm I'm doing that. Although I don't know
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: what kind of draft capital they have to couple with
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: that that they may not have that much left. I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: don't know, and that might be something that Milwaukee says,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: thanks with Nel, thanks, but that's the Knicks seem like
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: a team that could do it, pairing off kar Anthony
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Towns with whatever else they could put together. Golden State,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Golden State too, Do you have the draft capital? Get
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Jonathan kaminga out of there he's been griping. You might say.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: You might say, hey, he's damaged goods for the rest
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: of this season, but we'll give you Jimmy Butler's contract.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, poor Jimmy. Yeah, never thought i'd say that.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: All right, we got to take a break here. We'll
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: keep you updated on whatever happens with Giannis. We'll also
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: have Gordy Chase on again tomorrow. I know he's gonna
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: have thoughts on it, whether we have breaking news before
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: then or not. Jeff Schwartz next on The Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: It's ESPN seven hund ninety two FM.
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  Speaker 1: Londy Sky, It's the Sean O'Connell Show. You're home of
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  Speaker 1: woe c from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven
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  Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in Jeff Schwartz, college and pro football insider that
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  Speaker 2: we lean on every single week.
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  Speaker 7: Here.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff, how are you welcome?
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  Speaker 2: You got me? Hello, Jeff? Jeff, Yeah, okay, I got you. Well,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: that was weird, all right.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna say you'd be appalled how my school
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: distress has handled a little bit of bad weather. So
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: on for those that's all Lake City. We got sleet
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: essentially sleet and freezing rain on Sunday, okay, and no
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: school Monday. Okay, no school Tuesday, no school today tomorrow.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: Two hour delay?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, are the roads still covered in frozen rain and sleet?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: The main roads have been clear since Monday.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: There are some side roads that have a little bit
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: of you know, a little bit left on them, like
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: my driveway in the shaded area. I think it saws
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: a little bit of ice on it. Okay, But the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: two hour delay is not going to change that. It's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: gonna be cold the entire two hour delay, you know
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: what I mean. Like, it's not like it's gonna be
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: you know, it's below thirty degrees and all of a
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: sudden it becomes thirty two degrees at seven am and
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: warms the roads up, you know what I mean. Look,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: it's it's just it's maddening. And then on top of that,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: they're calling for actual snow this weekend for us on Saturday,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: and models have up to ten inches of snow. Bool.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So if you react this way to sleet.
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  Speaker 5: Oh buddy, my daughter's never going to school. The public
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: school's never they they will never go back to school.
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  Speaker 5: If we get a little bit of snow this weekend. Well,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: ten inches of snow is not a little bit of snow.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: If you get ten inches of snow or a city is.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: But my son's been at school, the private school has
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: been going to school. So he's been at school. He's
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: been not been happy about it, not but happy.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of funny. Yeah, all right, Well, I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: that your power and internet is still working at the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: very least.
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, that never went out, and you know I
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: have the generator that that at least helps.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know I'm protected there. How does your dog
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: react to the bad weather, because he's for people who
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: don't know. Jeff has this really cool dog who is
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: a German shepherd who sometimes you hear him barking in
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: the background. Yeah, but he's a warm weather dog. He's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: not like German shepherds are well equipped to handle it.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: But he's you know, not used to it, I imagine,
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  Speaker 2: loves it. Never wants to come inside to me.
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  Speaker 5: The other night, it was legitimately ten degrees outside and
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: he was having the time of his life. Right, he also, like,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: you know, he's just smart. It's it's nice having a
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: dog that's smart. I know you have a smart dog
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: as well. Well maybe not Okay, he's lovable at least,
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  Speaker 5: but I like, you know, as I mentioned, part of
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: our driveway is frozen, right, and the other day he
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: was running down the driveway after a walk and he
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: kind of slipped, and ever since then he knows where
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  Speaker 5: the ice is. He just slows himself down and walks
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: over the ice. But I'll be telling him anything.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 5: It's just like nice to have not like not a
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: stupid dog.
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  Speaker 3: Because a lot of dogs just keep making that mistake
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: over and over.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: Correct, yeah, he does not, So it's nice having.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people who keep making that mistake over
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  Speaker 2: and over again.
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  Speaker 5: After this time, I've had to warn Emerson schwartz Man,
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  Speaker 5: please please no ice, because you know, she broke her
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: for earlier day and it's like it's hard making her
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: stop moving. So we're trying our best to keep her
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: like not active, but it's not working very well.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, so Bill Belichick is not a
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer, And everybody's got an opinion
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: What's Jeff Schwartz's thought.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: Coward voters hiding behind the amenity of of not having
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: to put your name out there, right, I mean, look
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: the worst bill polling coming out and giving one quote
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: saying he voted for him, and then another quote saying,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: I don't really remember. If you remember who you voted for,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: probably time to stop voting for the Hall of Fame,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: right if you remember, if you're not sure, the way
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: the way it works is you get it's what you get.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: You know, you get they said for for the contributors category,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: which is what this is. You get to vote for
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: three of the five contributors, so it's not hard to
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: remember who you voted for. Look, you vote for three guys,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: and obviously you know they didn't want to vote for Belichick.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Maybe I think that's salite to not vote for him.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe you spike it. And then it's interesting because Jimmy
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: Johnson came out today and said, yeah, we we did
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: spy yay too. We recorded. Everyone knew that this was happening,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: and and everyone did it. Everyone tried like the thing
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: about spy ya It's just it's silly because everyone was
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: doing it. So it's not anything that it was anything
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: different than any other teams that they got caught, they
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: got in trouble for it. And so now also, are
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: you are you gonna limit Tom Brady's including you know,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: is he gonna have to wait one year because he
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: was part of that whole thing. I just found a
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: bunch of petty sports writers man that are in charge
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: of this process and use their power to try to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: get what over Bill Belichick. I don't think i've seen
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: sports medias, you know, football media players react and all
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: being unison. There isn't one former player I've seen on
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: the internet. And these are including people that that were
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: rivals of the other Patriots right that play them every
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: year that have said this is the right decision. It's not.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: It's absolutely not the right decision, and so he'll hit
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: me next year. I get it. But if it's the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: status thing, right, it's it's the status of saying I'm
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: a first ballot Hall of Famer. It's very rare, and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: it's in this case it'd be very be very earned
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: to be first ball Hall of Famer. And what I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: think a lot about the situations too, Sean, is the
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: the unforced error of the Hall of Fame right, because
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: now he'll stick it again. He'll get it next year, yep.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: But now forever his name will be a synonymous with
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: not getting in the first time. Correct, And it just
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: feels like an error that the Hall of Fame doesn't
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: need to make, you know, Like it's just it's feels
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: why why, why would you make this error? Just put
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: him in man And if the process is not good
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: enough to where a guy like that gets in the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: first ball, that he has to change the process.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Well that that's something that the College Football Hall of
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Fame did for Mike Leach. And as much as we
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: all love Mike Leach, I don't think that Mike Leach's
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: reputation is going to be similar when it's all said
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: and done to uh, to Bill Belichick's. There's no one
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: arguing that Leech is the best college football coach of
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: all time. There's a lot of people who say that
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: about Bill Belichick, and the College Football Hall of Fame said,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: oh wait, Mike Leach is like one game shy of
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: having the requisite win percentage. Let's change the win percentage.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, for those who might not know the Mike
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: Leach story, essentially you have to be win at sixty
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: percent to be a Hall of Fame coach, and he
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: was at fifty nine point eight percent. So as Shaw says,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: like one win away from me. And you can't tell
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: the story obviously of college football without Mike Leach, right,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, you just it'd be impossible his tree of
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: coaches and his tree of philosophies around the end, around
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: college football, it'd be impossible to do the sport justice.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: And to say, with Bill Belichick, this is why my argument,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: and I do Barry Bond's my favorite player as a kid.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: So maybe that's a little bit of bias on my end,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: But when I think of a Hall of Fame now
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: is actually as a parent, right, it's a parent If
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: I take my kids to a Hall of Fame, to me,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: I view it as the history of the sport, right yes.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if my kids view it as
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: these are the best players of all time. But I've
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: viewed as a history of the sport. And of course
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: you put you can't put in like average joes the
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, but you can't tell the history of
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: college football, thought Mike Leach, you can't tell the history
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: off again, bel Chick will be in, and Michael Lich
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: will be in, but Barry Bonds is not getting the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, and like that to me doesn't make it.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: It's a museum of the history of the sport. And
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: if you want to put in a plaque and to
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: be like Barry Bonds cheated the sport even though of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: course they didn't test for steroids, be my guest, you
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: have to put the same plaque for for Bud Seeley Tho,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: who's a commissioner who oversaw the entire generation of players
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: and somehow still made in the Hall of Fame before
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: Barry Bonds did, or Roger Clemens. And you know, I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: think it's it's a it's a hall of history, right,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: and so I think that the voter sometimes view it
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: a little more righteous than that maybe, And it's unfortunate
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: because it's really it's really unforced error. Man, This is
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: really bad publicity for the Hall of Fame.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: The only thing I really dislike about it is the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: anonymity factor here, because if you can articulate why you
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: made the choice not to put him in, and you
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: can defend your position, and then the Hall of Fame
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: can decide whether you get to keep your vote moving
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: forward or whatever.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: I'm fully on board with that process.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: If you're someone who can say I hate spygate and
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: cheating so much, I would never put Barry Bonds in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. I wouldn't. I don't want Bill
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Belichick to be a first ballot Hall of Famer because
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: I know he cheated.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: I will listen to that argument.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: I actually like that argument, but the fact that you
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: don't have to make it, and you can like if
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Bill Pollium came out and was like, yeah, dude, they cheated,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: So I don't think he deserves to be a first
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: battle Hall of Famer. I would respect that a heck
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: of a lot more than whatever's going on right now.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point, right, like you, it's just
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: you're highly behind it. And look, some voters have said nothing,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: come out and said, hey, you know this one has
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: how I voted right, and it's nice to see. Obviously,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: baseball is a little more public because they most people
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: share their votes. I think, I think you you have to,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: but most at least do on social media, so you
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: get to sort of see the process that they go through,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: which is a pretty interesting to see. But yeah, I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: think I would love to just see what it looks
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: like and peel that, you know, behind the curtain, because again,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: we know Bills going to get in, but him not
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: being in the first ballot is it's just it's just wrong.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: It just it just really is.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show. Uh,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: the NFL coaching carousel is slowing and it's been a
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: little bit, but a lot of a lot of names
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: are being announced now. Things are kind of settling down somewhat.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Has there been any coaching announcement for I don't know,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: head coach or a coordinator position. I'll throw those in
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: there as well. Or you look at it and you're like,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense or that stinks, and is there
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: one that you think is best so far?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: Well, you know how I feel about hiring from within.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: I think that the Bills did with Joe Brady doesn't
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: make much sense to me. It's a little different than
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: college in the NFL even because so you fired Sean
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: McDermott right because he couldn't win the big one, whatever
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: reason you want to use, and you then just hire
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: from within, so you keep everying the same thing but
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: you have a new coach, a new coach who we
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: all agree maximize the talent of the roster. So you're
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: basically pinning all this on McDermott, which it really should
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: have been because it's not all his fault. And Joe Brady,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: was he in that much demand that someone else is
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: going to pick him up up? Argue? You know he wasn't, right,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: so you hired o c who wasn't that much demand.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: You know, for those who are maybe new this, I
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: just really dislike when players are part of the coaching
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: hiring process. I think it doesn't make any sense. And
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: your business would the employee hire the boss. No, I
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: don't know why I get it. I get Josh Allen,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, but it seems like a Josh Allen
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: hire right, like keep i OC okay, but like is
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: he the best? I can it? It just it's not
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: surprising that the Bills couldn't get the best candidate because
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: it's Josh Allen there, and I just I just don't
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: to hire. I think you keep me every in the same.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: But you have a new coach who's unproven. The other
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: guy's good. If you're gonna fire McDermott, you better hire
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: someone better. I'm not sure this is a better hire.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: I have actually found someone. The coordiator hire showing to
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: be really fascinating to me, Like the McDaniel hire in
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: Los Angeles is fascinating because I just give Harbaugh so
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: much credit for hiring outside the box man. These guys
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: could not be two different humans, right, Jim Harbaugh and
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel, the former Dolphins head coach, and a lot
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: of coaches just hire like what they know, right. And
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: on top of that, there are different schemes. Harbaugh is
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: a downhill gap scheme, power run, power duo, gap runs,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: big personnel, and that's not what That's not what McDaniels
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: offense has been over the years. It's more of an
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: outside zone. It's more that you know that Shanahan McVeigh
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: type run scheme, so everything, and I just I love it.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: I give so much credit for me outside the box
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: thinker here. So I love those Corda moves a lot.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Did you have you taken a look at the list
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: of the greatest college football games of the twenty twenty
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: five season?
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: Is that an ESPN? Yeah? I have not. Why is
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: there as organ limited as the organ wasted on there.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Oregon number seventeen of the one hundred best games, Oregon
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: beating Penn State in double overtime.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, that feels like like a lifetime ago.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Now it was a long time ago. I'm trying to
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Utah only made one appearance in this on the list,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't the Holy War, which was a really
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: good game.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: But was it?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: It was the comeback against Kansas State when you gave
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: up a trillion yards rushing and still found a way
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: to come back and win. Yeah, I didn't. I don't know.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: There's not a lot of representation for the Ducks either.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why. I don't know why
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: it would be. I mean, we really didn't play many
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: memorial games. You played. The Texas Tech game is not
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: gonna be memorable. Indiana's not. You know, India's memorable for
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: getting your butt kicked. I'm not sure that that much
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: else is gonna make it. So that's actually not that surprising.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: Was number one? What was number one? It was? Was
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: it Indiana Miami?
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, National Championship game, Indiana Miami.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: Number Number two is probably a game I came and
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: recallbo it was probably like really good. I just I
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: just was it was it? It wasn't Indiana, Ohio State.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: That was a good. Bill Connolly does this list, and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: he he does. He goes deep dive on like a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: lot of the games.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: You never said Brawl the Wild. You go like Brawl
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: the Wild Part two.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: All the Wild is in it. It's in. It's like
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: a top ten game.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Number two was Miami Old Miss number three Old Miss
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Georgia in the quarterfinals.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: So just just a playoff list. Yeah.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: Number four was A and M beating Notre Dame on
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: September thirteen.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: It's a long time ago.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. And then number five is the Montana State
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Illinois State FCS National Championship. Uh Indiana, I.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: Remember that game?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah okay, Yeah, So I mean.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: He does a good job. He goes d three games
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: and everything. He goes all the way down. Utah came
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: in at number ten, fifty one to forty seven, comeback
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: victory over Kansas State.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: Memorable games.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: They're the best.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Games, the most competitive, craziest wild. It is like, okay,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: they're all they're not. Yeah, they're not. Like it's not
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: just the best teams versus the best teams.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: Obviously, yeah, the bra the second brawl of the wild
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: game was was pretty good too. I putt a little
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: little did it Weber State make it was there? Weber State.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: I have not seen a Weaber State game. They did
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: not have a great season. But let me let me
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: ask you what you feel about this. So Weaber State
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: replaced their Mickey Mentle, who was what an all name team,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: It's fantastic their previous head coach. They hired a guy
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: who's considered the best high school coach in the state.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: The guy go it. I love it. I love it.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Okay from Corner Canyon High School. That's the place where like, yeah,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: you know Corner Camp Jackson, Yeah, Jackson Power. Johnson was
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: there and Jackson Dart went there and the Wilson brothers
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: went there and all that stuff. So their high school
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: coach is now that Weaver State head coach.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: Dude, I love outside the box hires when you really
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: have no reason to hire a specific type of coach,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: right like if we were state off of bad season.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: You know, I take your word for it, right off
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: a bad year, you know what, what's the harm in
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: trying to go outside the box. Dude, I think this
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: is awesome. What what why not do this?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's great too, and we don't see it
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: all that often, where even a great high school coach
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: you get painted into these boxes. Right, so it's not
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: often that you see a great high school coach get
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to coach college ball. You don't often see
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: great like D two coaches get a chance to move
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: up the ladder and stuff. So I like that that
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: that's become. They're less compartmentalized than they used to be.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: I also think, you know, this is interesting sort of
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: interesting play for for recruits as well, right Like he's
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: he's gonna know the players in the region, and imagine
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: he can convince him to come to Weaver State. You know, like,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: I think this is like a good for recruiting as well,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: right Like, just hey, man, like come complay we were say,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: I'm the head coach there.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Now, he was an unbelievable recruiter at Corner Canyon. I'm
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: sure he's gonna be just good at Yeah.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: Have you been offered like a linebacker coaching job yet?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: No, I'm much to my chagrin. I'm very upset about it.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: I tell you that I would love to.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Make thirty two thousand dollars a year to coach for
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty hours a week.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: I was telling, Uh, we were talking like a month
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: ago at the house, me and and Meredith and our
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: cousin or her cousin, and we're talking about like how
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: much head coaches make and they're like, wait, they make
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: thirteen million years, Like yeah, make the top dogs, right,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: Like she's a Georgia fan, our cousin. So I was like,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: curb is making like thirteen a year, and Mareth's like,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: why aren't you coaching? I was like, well, the hours.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: The hours. Stinker said, well, if they pay you that
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: much money, like you can just do it. And I thought, like,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: how we could I get a job if I really
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: wanted to collect a football job. I think I think
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: I could get one pretty quickly if I wanted it.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: I think it'd be a you wouldn't I just like
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't make money though for like five years. Babe,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: you actually realize that.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Well, that's that's one of the things I've been having
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: friends in the coaching world that is awesome, But it's
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: also it's only awesome when you're on the top end
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: because correct like, look, I don't know how you would
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: be able to articulate this better than I. But I
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: had good coaches at Weber State. After I left the
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: University of Utah, I like guys who knew the game
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: it seemingly just as well. In fact, one of my
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: coaches at Weber State is now the offensive coordinator at
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah. So these guys, like, it's it's
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: not like when you go down a level they know
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: the game significantly less or they're significantly worse or whatever,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: but they make one tenth as much money. It's insane.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: I know, like I could, Like I was thinking, like
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: I I was like, I could maybe call Lane Amby like,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: but I don't know, but I have other friends, right,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: I was like, hey, man, like you know, you know,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: you know a QC guy for the year. You know,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: like you just make no money the first year, Right,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: it's a it'd be like a year, you know, a
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: push for later years, which again, like it's a hard sell. Look,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: I think you can for coaches if you get in early,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: if it becomes your career immediately, like post college, it
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: makes it a lot easier because that's all you've known.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know, like Jordan Gross I give him credit, man,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: for going from like living on the homestead in Idaho
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: to just becoming a college football coach at a high
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: power for a conference school.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: He just he just put up a picture with an
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: offensive line recruit they're talking to out of a servite
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: high school.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: The kid is like three inches taller than Jordan Gross.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: He's seven years old. It's like, what the heck are
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: they feeding that boy? My gosh.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: I just I just gave him credit for like for
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: just being like, okay, like all right, I'll I'm civilian
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: life and now I'm gonna coach. Like. I just it's
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: good for him, man.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's gonna be
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: good for the University of Utah. Hopefully it ends up
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: being good for him as well. Uh. Are you seeing
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: anything from the Senior Bowl practices that surprises you that
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: you love, that you hate?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: Whatever the thing that's odd this year? I feel like
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: there's just no hype on these games. Like the East
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: West Shrine game was yesterday. The actual game was yesterday.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: I think it's because Coltorable just ended eight days ago. Yeah,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: and I can't believe some of these guys are playing.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: I put out a tweet, you know, the big Miami
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: left tackle who he got truck testdate a bad rap yestery.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: I was like, why is this guy even at the
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: All Star Game? Like what? What? What? Who told him
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: to be the All Star? He just he finished He's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: called just eight days ago, and you know the the
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: twitter stuff like he just wants to compete. That's not
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: it's not a competing. This is dumb. It's whoever's in
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: charge of helping him give him advice. It should be
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: fired eight days after. Would you mentioned playing a Super
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: Bowl game and then eight days later playing in like
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: a in like a in like a you know, not
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: even a Pro Bowl. This is not a Pro Bowl.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: This is a showcase, like a showcase, like a like
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: you have to like try out for free agency eighteens
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: after the Super Bowl. You'd be like, what, No, I'm
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: not doing that. So a lot of players, just like
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: I think there's like thirty guys opted out because of
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: their season just ended in the playoffs. So I haven't
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: seen much yet. I'll watch it one on one. I'll
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: be able to get the tape of it, and uh,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: it's just it's also just not a great year for
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: offensive defense alignment. So it's you know, for me, just less,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: you know, less sort of work I gotta do, I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: think on some of those guys because they won't be
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: drafted early. So is fin doing any of these? Are
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: they doing anything to do anything?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Logan the older brother is, but he's at the Senior
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Bowl practices. But Spencer doesn't have to.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I figured he did have to ins the thing too.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: It's like a lot of you know, the better guys
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: don't have to do it. Now. I We'll tell you
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: it does. It helps. My brother went to the Senior Bowl,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: and I mean I think it greatly improved his stock.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you know, if you're a guy like
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: my brother playing in the Pac ten and probably didn't
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: play the pass rushers outside of USC that he'd seen
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: the NFL, you know, get a chance to really ball
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: out this week he could do he could do really
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: really well for you. And so you know, there is
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: there is a lot of benefit of doing this. It's
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: just it's you know, for some of you guys that just
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: seem just ended. It feels like a pretty tough task.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: All right. I know I'm bouncing around a lot here,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: but I spent a bunch of time today talking about
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: this settlement that Miami and Duke just reached. And I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: don't I can't find the number anywhere. I don't know.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that number looks like.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: But given the timing of it, that number would have
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: to be astronomically high for it to be anything close
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: to an even outcome for Duke. In my opinion, you
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: look at their depth chart right now. They got a freshman,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: they got a transfer from Valparaiso, and they don't have
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: any quarterbacks now that Mensa's gone. And let's say that
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: they got, you know whatever, double what they were going
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: to pay Mensa, still not worth it. I know you
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: can't do much if he doesn't want to play for you,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: but I don't like the president that this set. I don't.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I wanted to get your thoughts on, like just the
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: can of worms. We've already got fifteen of them open,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: but another one. If you're a big money school and
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: you can come in and just pay a penalty to
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: get exactly the guy you want. If it's timed this way,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: the school that you're stealing the player from doesn't even
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: get to use that money to try and get themselves
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: a player.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not great, you know, and I don't know
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: what the solution is unless you have these incredibly high buyouts. Right,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: the next buyout is ten million dollars, ten million dollars
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: plus paying him, Like, are you really gonna are you
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 5: really gonna pay that? And this is what I think
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: LSU was with the Monto Willism Washington, right, the buyout
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: was so large that they didn't want to commit to that.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: And that's what I think it has to be, is
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: you have to write these contracts and put those buyouts in.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: It's such a high rate that teams are scared of
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: paying that buyout. And that's what comes down to. I
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: think make it a lot tougher for these things to happen,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: because obviously the contracts mean nothing, right and they obviously
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: mean absolutely nothing because they everyone gets out of them
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: if they want to, and so you have to write
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: them stronger. You know. It does feel like we're heading
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: to some sort of CBA. I just I don't even know.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: You know, there's a story that Deon Sanders was he
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: is going to find his players. Yeah, okay, well a
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: couple of things there. Those have to be collectively bargained.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: They collective bargain. No, right, you can't just find people
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: without you know, without some sort of written agreement that
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: they'll accept the fine first of all, right, but just
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: like that idea in general. And then okay, so let's
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: say we agree that the finds are in the contract,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: but not everyone on the team is a university employee, right,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: Only some of those players have an IO deals with
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: the school. So if you're if you have an idea
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: with a third party, Dean can't find you. Where's the
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: money going for the finds? And going to the athletic
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: fun like this? The young keeping the money, like who's
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: getting the money? Just these are all things that that
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: lead to the sport being professionalized, which gets close to me.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: It's not now people think it's not. It's not yet,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: but does feel like the only way to fix a
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: lot of these problems is to have a collect to
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: bargaining agreement.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that once you get into that realm
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: defining that, And we talked about that on the show
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: the other day, Like, I mean, even if you can
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: get most of the players at Colorado to decide that
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: they'll like participate, if you're if you're Jordan Seaton or whatever,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: and the school calls you and it's just like, we
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: don't have that here. You don't have to pay fines here.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: I mean it just now you've handicapped yourself if you're
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: doing Also.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: Found it pretty interesting that he had to put a
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: video or you know, they I was saying, he put
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: a video on it, but they share obviously all the
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: content a lot of times that he had to make
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: a video tell his players not to wear their old
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: team's gear in the facility. What well, what why would
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: they Why would they do that in the first place?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Why would you be like, why would you be wearing
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Oregon gear in the Colorado facility?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: I thought that was I think to say, I guess
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: enough players are doing it. It's a problem. That's really
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: funny actually right, Like I mean, I wouldn't be me obviously,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: but like enough players are doing it where they they
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: feel like that's got to be said.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: So a lot of young players get tattoos, right, and
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of them get like team tattoos.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: Is that is that gonna go right now?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Because guys realize that they might be transferring to a
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: new school next year.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: Probably not, would you wouldn't just be like me, like
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: Dan Lanning has all those tattoos are just signified where
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: he's been in life. Yeah, but like, is that something
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: that you would just just like, Okay, I want to utah?
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: Got a utah you know in the next door. Is
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: it just like a signify a time in your life
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: to celebrate?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: I mean once you get to like age thirty five,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: you'd probably view it that way. If you've got like
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: a you know, you've got like the trojan on your elbow,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: and then you're playing for UCLA the next year.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: That's probably tough.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: You might be like, ah, I should have waited to
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: get this.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: You have to cover that one up on game day.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: Do you have a look at utah tattoo somewhere? I
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: don't know about it? I do, Do you really?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: I do? Yeah?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: Oh? Nice?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Same thing, like the same like I have in you know,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: all minor stained glass windows or whatever, and the one
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: that's on my left side. I have the logos of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: the seventy five different schools I attended, so oh nice.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, did you put the b YU one on there
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: for business school? Yet?
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't? Why'd you bring that up?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: I'm just curious.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Although I do love when people have BYU tattoos because
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: it's it's oxymoronic in some ways, you know what I mean.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean my my mom went to UCLA underground
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: USC law school. I mean you can do it, so
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: it's not like it's against the law. But I'm just
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: curious if you had that one on.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I there's a there's a Jordan High,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: there's a Jordan High logo, there's a Weaver State logo,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: there's a utah U. But there's no why.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: I don't have enough room my body to follow teams
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: I played for in the NFL.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: Just you got you got plenty of room on that body.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: What would be the worst one to put on? Panthers, Giants, Vikings, Chiefs,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: you know what would be the worst one? The worst
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: logo to have on your body? Giants just put it
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: just be being like and just and why just their logo.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: It's just ugly everything. I hate the Giants whole vibe. Aesthetically,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: I can't stand if blues usually great. They go with
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: like red, white, blue, and gray. It's weird.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: What if I do the old school logo? Though? That's
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: pretty it's a pretty cool logo.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I kind of I kind of want this
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: to happen.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Now, Well, just like what team, what team did you
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: spend the least amount.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: Of time with lions for a training camp?
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, you still have to get the lion's logo, and
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: let's do it in reverse order, so the Lions, because
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: that's the coolest logo. The lion is giant. And then
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: it just goes down. It just goes down from there.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: Just like what it sounds like, Mormons are not allowed
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: to have a tattoo. I am not allowed to either
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: bicultural ypeturally, so I guess I get out of that
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: one as well.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: All right, yeah, fair enough.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: Well, hopefully my kids go to school tomorrow. It hasn't
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: rained in a snowed in four days.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Well, good luck when the ten inch snowstorm hits.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: You in some of it our way we have, We've
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: had ten inches of snow all year long in the
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: top of the mountains.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: Well, I know you're on top of the mountain. We
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: understand where you live. Okay, I'm saying, what about that
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: we get it on top of the hill like you.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: You're very cool. We get it. But I it's too
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: much snow for us.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want that okay, uh you just outed me
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: to some of my listeners. By the way, text just
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: came in from forty nine to nine. Oh SE's a
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: closet coup guy. Listeners are shocked at he went to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: bey you.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: You didn't.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: No one knew this.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: Now people know, like it's not it's not the best
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: kept secret.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: We spend a lot of time on the on the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: radio talking about this. This this business school you're in.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: We had a trip you went on.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: I I have my m b A from the Marriott
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: School to Business which happens to be attached to b
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: YU people. All Right, I got my MBA.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: I love this so much for you. I love that
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: I can bring come. I'm not being vited on again,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: but I'm glad if that's my last hurrah. So because
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: not like b YU. Okay, we have to.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: We have to keep bringing you on because nobody else,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: myself included, who talks on this program knows anything about
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: football except you.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: So I mean I picked the Rams to win, so
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: and the Rams and Broncos, so what do I know?
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: And thank you? Tyson Howard, one of our other Texters,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: made sure to point out Brigham Young founded the University
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: of Utah. Brigham Young University was not even approved by
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Brigham Young himself. Okay, people, so oh we know these
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: are these are the old staples. Yeah, oh wow, I
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: know yeah he bring up Young was the University of Utah,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: Guy Wild interesting.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: All right, dude, thanks for your time. Stay safe in
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: the snow.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: Thank you, buddy. Talk to you next week.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz football expert of the highest order. And yes,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: I am unashamed to say that I continued my education
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: and got a master's in business administration. I'm only slightly
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: ashamed to say that I went to BYU to do it.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Huge win for the Utah Mammoth last night in Sunrise, Florida.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about how they got it done.
• 1:51:38
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  Speaker 2: with Spence Checkets. Right now, we're lucky enough to welcome
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  Speaker 2: my friend and our Utah Mammoth insider, Adrian Denny, here
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: to our Broadway studios. Adrian, I've been here in the
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: studio in behind our very strange closed windows. I don't
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: see how blustered are we actually having a winter day today?
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  Speaker 7: You can feel the low pressure, Okay you can. You
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: can feel it.
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  Speaker 3: You're bundled up for once.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm freezing walking walking into the building. It's like, gosh,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: this is this is winter. It it feels like a
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: storm's coming in, so buckle up. I just checked my
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 7: weather app and it says it is snowing in Salt Lake.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: Oh all right, we need it. I guess sure. It's
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: good for all of us. Let's talk a little Utah
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: Mammoth Hockey. We discussed the last time we spoke the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: importance of certain games on this road trip handle business
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: in Nashville. Wonderful to see two nothing loss to Tampa
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: and then I'll be honest with you, I was like, uh,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Florida on a back to back on the road, that's
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: a really tough out.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: But boom, Mammoth victory.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Baby.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 7: I think we were all feeling the same way going
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 7: into Florida with the amount of energy and emotion and
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 7: wear and tear that was sustained in Tampa Bay on Monday,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 7: in a game where they played really well, it just
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 7: gave up two powers, didn't allow a five on five
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: goal to the Lightning, who were the second highest scoring
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 7: team in the NHL and leading the NHL and scoring
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 7: in January.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: And then you go to Florida.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 7: You're in Florida, but you go to South Florida to
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: take on the defending Stanley Cup champion Florida Panthers on
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 7: a back to back. As you said, with some game
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: time decisions. The Mammoth had two extra defensemen taking warm
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: ups because they weren't sure on a couple of guys,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 7: and one of those that we think was a game
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: time decision with Sean Jersey, who I don't know if
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: you saw his face last night, but there was, you know,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 7: below the eye, above the eye, the poor nose. Quite
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 7: the sight that Sean was last night and had a
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 7: kind of a rough first period, gave the puck away
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: three times, and before you knew it, he's the third
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: star of the game, scoring a go ahead goal, throwing
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: a puck to the net that was deflected home by
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 7: Mikhail Sergachev from twenty seven feet away to make get
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: three to two in the third period. And isn't that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: hockey player like that, you don't even know if he's
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 7: gonna play, ends up being one of your top stars.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 7: But it was another box checked I think by by
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: the Mammoth in that game, because you know, as you
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 7: see teams on back to backs, first period is usually okay,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: but then on the second and third you can tell, oh,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 7: this this team is a little low on energy. Decision
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: making isn't great. Mammoth made some mistakes in the game.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: He had the puck away twice to Tampa's or to
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: Florida's fourth line, and they scored on assisted goals like
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 7: but they just never let it get away. They just
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: kind of stayed with it, kept that composure, kept that patience,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: and found a way to merge with two points. So
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: really nice, nice win. First time they've ever beaten Florida.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 7: They played some really good games against him. But I think,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: you know, in January, we've seen just some more steps taken.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: I think the latest one was taken last night in sun.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Going back to the game against the Lightning, as you mentioned,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: you give up a couple shorthanded goals, power play goals,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: power play goals you is the is the special teams
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: where it needs to be for this Mammoth team right now.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: It's been hit and miss, right, So you give up
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: those two power play goals in Tampa Bay, that's the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: game to nothing. Last night in Florida, four for four
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: on the penalty kill, and you scored a shorthanded goal.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: So your PK does a complete flip of the script.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: The power play going into Tampa Bay was two for
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: the last three. Hit scored two huge third period goals
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: in the last two games, one against Philly last Wednesday
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: and one against Nashville after you just killed the penalty.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: To make the game four to two. So it's been
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: up and down.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 7: I feel that the shortcomings of the special teams the
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: power play and the penalty kill has been more magnified
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: than when special teams actually does something to help them
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 7: win a game, like it did last night with the
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 7: penalty kill and the shorthanded goal. But gosh, you know,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 7: those items help you win games and help other teams
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: win games.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: So it's big.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 7: So now you've gone two straight games without a power
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 7: play goal, you got the PK back on track. So
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: to answer your question, probably just a little more consistency
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 7: in getting those big power play goals. Because in Tampa
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 7: Bay on Monday, you entered the game two for your
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: last three. You go zero for your first two, and
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 7: you have five shots, some good chances. Power play looked
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 7: fine until the third period you're down one nothing and
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 7: nothing happened. No shots, couldn't keep the puck in, couldn't
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 7: get the first un at all, to get the second
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 7: unit on to try something different like it it was.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 7: It was a struggle. So hit and miss is how
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 7: I describe it. And it's just like you know, the
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 7: Mammoth not getting their first ever six on five goal
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 7: until last Wednesday, But other teams in the NHL do
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: and that helps them get points and they're competing against
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 7: you because they're getting six on five goals and they're getting,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: you know, another power play goal with you that you're
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 7: not so in the big picture, it hurts in the
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: standings when you're you're not measured up average.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: I actually I heard Bill Armstrom talking about this the
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: other day about how you know the the six on
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: five you pull your goalie and it's for for people
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: who have been watching the mammoth in a lot of us,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are newish to hockey, right and
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: it has looked like kind of a fool's errand like,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: why do you do this? It doesn't it doesn't make
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: a ton of sense because the results haven't in there.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: But it's a tried and true method in hockey that, yes,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: is a desperation move in a lot of cases, but
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: there's reasoning behind it. And it was funny to see
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: how long. Funny might be the wrong word, but interesting
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: to see how long it took for it to work
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: out translate to a goal in the victory eventually.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: And it wasn't a six on five goal that you're
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: ever going to see again. It was Clayton Keller ripping
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: the puck away in the defensive zone because Utah could
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 7: not keep Philadelphia away from their empty net.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, small tripp to puck away.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: Keller knocked a puck away as Philly's trying to scoring
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 7: an empty net and Jack McBain was able to block
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 7: a shot. And then all of a sudden, Clayton Keller
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 7: rips the puck away, skates down, gets around a Philly
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 7: defenseman in Travis Sandheim who's going to the Olympics, walked
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 7: around him and scored an unassisted six on five goal.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 7: Never seen it before in my life.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: Went airborne to do it, to get over there. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: I mean it actually was. It was reminiscent in NHL
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: ninety four. If you remember playing that game on Nintendo
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: or on Sega Genesis. You had to the goaltenders in
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: that game unable to react to you going across the
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: face of the goal. That's exactly what he pulled off.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Was beautiful, Yeah, it was. It was nice.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 7: And you know, you pull the goalie to give yourself
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 7: a power play in the final two minutes, it's like,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 7: all right, all or nothing here, Yeah, let's go, let's go.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: So you're six on five and you're thinking, all right, um,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: you know we've got the advantage, this is the power play,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: but hadn't been able to get one, and did get
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 7: one against Philly in the most unconventional of ways that
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 7: you'll ever see.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: So four to three against the Panthers for the first
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: win against the Panthers, like you said, and this is
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: a a Panthers team that is back closer to absolute
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: full strength. So is that more meaningful because of who
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: the Panthers had available.
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  Speaker 7: When Utah played them in December they lost for to three,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: giving up the goal in the final minute. They still
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: had their their identity. It still looked like the Florida Panthers.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: They still had that Stanley Cup fabric. Sergei Bobrovsky was
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 7: still making big saves. Florida got Brad mar Shand back
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: over the weekend, got a game winning goal on their
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 7: road trip, got Matthew Chuck back last week. They'd won
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 7: three in a row going into the game, coming off
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 7: of a road trip, and as we said, Utah has
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 7: played them good. A game they lost the final minute,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 7: an overtime loss, game that was two to one last year,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 7: going down the stretch before the Panthers got a couple
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 7: empty ntters, so they played them good, like a lot
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 7: of teams, and they just were able to just drag
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 7: the game out to a point that they were able
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 7: to management to manage it. And as we talked about
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 7: the start of that seven game homestand Andre and he
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 7: was talking about game management, we're doing everything right, but
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 7: now we need to manage the game and manage situations,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 7: and I think Utah did that. I also think Utah
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 7: got another schedule break, oh see, because for Florida, that
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 7: was kind of a road game because they were on
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 7: a three game trip, came back, played one road game
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 7: or played played that home game, and now they're back
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 7: on the road. They left today for Saint Louis after
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 7: they were just on a trip that took them Winnipeg, Minnesota, Chicago,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 7: go back to South Florida, play one game, and then
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 7: go to random St.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: Louis.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 7: So they I think they got a scheduling break there
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 7: because that felt like a road game for the Panthers.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: We we've talked about v tech Manichik in the past
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: about you know, like whether or not he's playing up
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: to the standard that they need to be able to
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: maintain in the rare rest that Veggie gets. And he
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: gave up three goals last night, but ultimately it's a win,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: only his third win of the year in the mammoth goal.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: But what'd you think of his performance against Florida?
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 7: Very solid? Biggest thing in that game. Oh see, And
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 7: VTech has been in some tough situations this year. Eight
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 7: of his thirteen starts have been in some kind of
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 7: back to back for you, tid the first game or
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 7: second game. Seven of his thirteen starts have come in
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 7: the second half of a back to back, so you know,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 7: we talked about, you know, some mental mistakes. Has Utah
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 7: been perfect in front of him? No, The biggest thing
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 7: last night was VTech being able to get settled in
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 7: to the game. He's had three starts this year where
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 7: he's given up a goal in the first three minutes.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: You're behind, and then you're playing a completely different style
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 7: really the rest of the way to try and erase
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 7: the deficit, and you're in a minus one. So he
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 7: made two saves early and I really felt sorry for
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 7: him that he gave up that goal with fifteen seconds
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 7: because stopping you know, twenty five of twenty eight doesn't
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 7: look as good as or twenty seven to thirty by
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: the time it is all said and done with, doesn't
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 7: look as good as stopping twenty seven out of twenty nine,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 7: but led in three goals. Mammoth got the win. Everybody
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 7: was happy for v Tech. His first time this year,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 7: they've gotten him some goal support. First time in thirteen starts,
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 7: they've got him four goals. It had been three or
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 7: less and usually zero one or two when he's been starting.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 7: So the Mammoth were happy. He was happy as he
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: returned to Florida where he hoisted that Stanley Cup last
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 7: June and got his first win since October twenty sixth
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 7: against his former team and a big win for the
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 7: Mammoth to take two of the first three.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: Now, this is a behind the scenes type question, but
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: the NHL has passed off disciplinary duties to the Department
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: of Player Safety. Help me put this in perspective for
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: the new fan, So supplemental discipline for the violation of
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: league rules is now going to be handled by the
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: Department of Player Safety, which has been talking they've been
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: handling like physical infractions in the past. But is this
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: a significant change.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 7: I think it's just kind of a kind of an
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 7: expansion of their their current role, just just a little
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 7: more ownership of it, a little less by committee, just
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 7: some streamlining for a job that they basically do already.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: It's how I take it. So if you're wondering how
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: this is different than before, So if you if you
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: threw in like illegal check in the past that resulted
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: in an injury, the Department of Player Safety was going
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: to handle the discipline for that, And that makes a
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: lot of sense. All the other league policies, the language
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: and Jersey got hit with the lip reader thing, uh,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: the inappropriate gestures of uniform violations, things like that, they
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: were it was all previously handled by a vice president
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: of the league. It was like a sort of unilateral
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: type conversation thing. And now now the Player Safety Committee
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: is gonna handle all those so, like you said, bringing
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: more under the umbrella of what they're already doing.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and they do have some former players in that department.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 7: George Parros, uh, the big uh, the guy who played
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 7: for the Ducks for for a number of years involved
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 7: in that. And they like to put put players in,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 7: you know, league positions like that. They like to put
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 7: players as linesmen, is, referees just just for the the
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 7: aspect of those guys have been in locker rooms, those
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 7: guys have been on the ice, and I think the
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 7: NHL has done a good job of getting relatable people
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 7: into positions both on the ice and off the ice
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 7: to manage things.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: Who is, in your mind, the best American born NHL
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: player ever?
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: Hmm?
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: I asked this question.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I give you time to deliberate, because Patrick
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: Kine has tied Mike Madonno for the points record by
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: an American born player, and he's thirty seven, so he's
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: in the twilight of his career and all that stuff.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: But you know, both of those names now synonymous with
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: some really good years of American hockey, both in the
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: NHL obviously and their representation of Team USA. But you know,
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: we talk about the greatest to ever play the game,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: and a lot of times it's stacked up with Canadians
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. You talk about some of the great
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: goaltenders and they're either Canadian or they're Swedish or whatever.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: So who's the best American NHLR?
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 7: So you mentioned Mike Madonno, Patrick Kane got Jeremy Ronick
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 7: had over five hundred goals, currently, how about a player
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 7: like Austin Matthews with Toronto, ironically enough, a kid that
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 7: that grew up in Arizona and California as one of
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 7: the faces of of hockey and in Canada. You know,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 7: we got Clayton Keller out of the Saint Louis area,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 7: gonna be representing T B O s A.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: And so happy.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 7: For for Clayton because he's he's just so proud and
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 7: he's been working for that.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: That's really cool for forever.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: But when you.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 7: Say, uh, you say Austin Matthews, I don't think you're
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 7: too far off of Clayton Keller looking looking down the list.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 7: So I like Patrick Kane how he's kind of been
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 7: able to, you know, have a two point zero version
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 7: of his career after those three seasons winning Stanley Cups
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 7: with the Chicago and they kind of went to the
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 7: rebuild and he's gone on to Detroit and had been
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 7: a big part of that team that hasn't made the
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 7: playoffs in over a decade to now you know, it
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 7: looks like they'll be back this year. Not only that,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 7: but they've been leading the Atlantic Division for most of
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 7: the season and Kane's had a great couple of years
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 7: there in Detroit.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: How much longer is this man a team gonna have
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: to be without Logan Kooley. Sounds like his recovery's going
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: very well.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 5: You know what.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 7: He was on the ice skating in a non contact
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 7: jersey at morning skate on Monday.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 7: So that keeps us hovering in the neighborhood of what
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 7: Bill Armstrong has said around the Olympic break, and it
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 7: sounded lately like right after the Olympic break. How about
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 7: last night playing without Logan Cooley and Dylan Gunther for
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 7: just the third time ever, Wow, and picking up a
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 7: win in Florida in Florida, scoring four goals. How about
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 7: this for the Mammoth Oc going back to mid December,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 7: they're seven and one after a loss, and they've scored
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 7: over four goals a game in those contests. We saw
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 7: a nice response last night, but that's kind of been
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 7: the body of work that Utah has been laying out
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 7: here over the last month and a half.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: All Right, before I let you go, I'm gonna let
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: you know something because you mentioned the Olympic break. So
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: when the Olympics are part of the Sean O'Connell show,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: what we do is we assign particular experts in the sports.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: Hockey would be too easy for you to be our
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: hockey course it because we're naturally gonna make you that sure.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: So you have the opportunity to choose another Olympic discipline.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: You're the first person so none have been claimed, and
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: you get to be my Olympic expert in curling, ski jumping,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, so that each time while the Olympics
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: are going on we have a discussion, you're gonna give
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: us an update on that particular sport as well. You
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: can choose now, you can deliberate and text me, you
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: can let us know whenever. But that is a duty
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: that you're going to be assigned, whether you like it
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: or not.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna say, alpine skiing, okay, downhill skiing, downhill skiing.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: I love to ski, all right.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 7: Love watching the skiing, but the Nordic skiing, the cross
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 7: country skiing, I love it. I love to cross country
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 7: ski too. So if you get somebody that says alpine skiing,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 7: you're like, well you kind of got a guy, but
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 7: he also cross country skis, so you can have that.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: I'll take Nordic okay, all right, your cross country skiing
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: updates will be brought to you by it.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: Does that mean biathlon also?
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: No, just the skiing, not not the archery and stuff
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: like that. Just you know, the athlon in the Winter
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: Olympics is cross country skiing and shooting a rifle, right,
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: isn't that what it is?
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 7: Rifle or bow and arrow something like that. It's like,
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 7: it's it's such a weird mix.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it makes sense from like a
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: if you live in Finland and you are out in
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: the Lapland area, that's just your life. You just cross
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: country ski, find a reindeer, shoot it, bring it back
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: and they turn it into an Olympic sport. It's wild.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just I'm just a cross country skier through
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 7: the meadows, through the mountains.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't stop to do archery. So in
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: addition to your hockey expertise, we will lean on your
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: Nordic skiing expertise. That sounds great, perfect, sounds fun. Our
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: Winter Olympics Nordic skiing correspondent and hockey you Tam Mammoth
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  Speaker 2: insider Adrian Denny.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 7: That has a great ring to it, perfect all right'
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 7: it's you know, oh, see. As you know, as days
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 7: go on and years go on, professionally, you gotta keep
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 7: evolving absolutely, or you're out the door. You're done and
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 7: you can't find another gig. So if you're doing the.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: Same thing over and over, if you don't expand your
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: horizons to Nordic skiing, I mean, what chance do you have? Yeah,
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: I'm in all right, love it. Thanks for coming in
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: as always, Thanks for having me, buddy.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: That's Adrian Denny. Are you Tom Mammoth Insider?
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  Speaker 2: your Utah Vlux dealer. I referenced this earlier when talking
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: with Jeff Schwartz the list of the top one hundred
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: college football games of the twenty twenty five season. Where
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: do Utah's best games fit into this national list? We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to that next on The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred ninety twofmyeh.
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  Speaker 1: You tuned to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two.
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  Speaker 8: One half naow second Shan O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 8: hundred ninety two on FM, did you see the list
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  Speaker 8: of the best games in college football for twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: If you haven't, it's available on ESPN dot com and uh.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: They go through all one hundred of Bill Connolly's favorite
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: games that were played this twenty twenty five twenty twenty
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: six college football season, and coming in with one appearance
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: on the list is the University of Utah at number ten.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: The Pop Tarts Bowl is on there for BYU. The
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: Holy War, interestingly, is not as great of a game
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: as that was. It did not have the chills and
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: the thrills necessarily that some of these other games did
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: according to Bill Connolly. But number ten for him at
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: least was Utah's epic comeback against Kansas State. And here's
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: the blurb. There were not massive stakes in this one,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: but you don't always need stakes to create an incredible spectacle.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: After trading scores for twenty five minutes, these teams released
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: a series of big runs. Ten nothing for k State,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: then fourteen nothing for BYU, then sixteen nothing for k State.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: Joe Jackson's twenty four yard touchdown was seven minutes left,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: gave the Wildcats a forty seven to thirty five lead.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: Kansas State went for two points and the fourteen point lead.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. But instead, in the worst case scenario, Tao
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: Johnson returned to deflective past one hundred yards for two points.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: Utah drove seventy five yards, made it forty seven to
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: forty four with two forty seven left, and after a
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: three and out, Devin Dampier gave the Utes the lead
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: with a fit with fifty six seconds left. Then Landerbarton
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: interception near midfield finished off a shocking comeback. The number
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  Speaker 2: ten game of the season for Bill Connolly in ESPN's
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  Speaker 2: Top one hundred. It was an unbelievable game. It was
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: as loud as rice Eco Stadium can get, even though
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: the couple thousand people had already left. It was crazy,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: it was fun, and yes, you had already found out
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: it had already been determined that you were not going
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: to receive help with tie breakers and find an appearance
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: in the conference championship game. But it showed incredible fight
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: and stick to itedness from the University of Utah football
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: team and was I think most people's favorite performance of
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: the year and a fun one at rice Ecles Foreshore
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: Wild Wild Wild finish good for top ten on the list.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: Another interesting and very short list came out yesterday, which,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: to be honest, we all could have put this together,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: and maybe some of you already did when we were going.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: Over the Big twelve schedule.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: In the fact that Utah and BYU play in Week
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: ten instead of in a place where I think most
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: of us or a lot of us agree the game
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: should be the final game of the season, Stuart Mandel
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: put out the list of all the other games being
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: played in week ten that are going to get a
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: little bit of.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: National recognition.
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  Speaker 2: So I look at it and I say, all right,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: these are the other ratings battles that you have to win, right,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: these are other games that are going to draw the
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: casual viewer. I November seventh, twenty twenty six, you've got
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: BYU in Utah. Most likely this will be the late
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: game on the slate. So I think you could get
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: a featured time spot where you're not dealing with going
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: head to head against any of these other games, because
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: obviously you're here in the Mountain time zone. It could
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: make sense for you to kick these games off a
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: little bit later November seventh. We'll see whether wise what
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: that looks like. But on the same day, and again
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: we all could have compiled this list. Stuart Mandel is
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: the one who did it. Oregon at Ohio State, Miami
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: at Notre Dame, Alabama at LSU, Georgia at Old Miss,
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: BYU at Utah.
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  Speaker 3: So when we talked to Brett Yormark.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: On media Day and ask him why this game is
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: not put at the end of the year, and he says, well,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: we wanted the game to be put in a spot
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: where it is the featured game of the day, it
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: is the most talked about game of the day. You
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: also have to follow up or I guess I also
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: have to fall up and say do you think it'll
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: be more talked about than Oregon, Ohio State, Miami, Notre Dame, Alabama, LSU,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: and Georgia Old Miss.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just this. So it was on this.
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  Speaker 4: Week the first year in the Big Twelve as well
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 4: two years ago. Right, the last time was at Ricecycle Stadium,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: So maybe that's it Recycle Stadium. We have it the
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 4: same week as Alabama LSU, and it's not right when
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 4: it's at Love Edwards. We have it in October whatever,
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 4: but it was there and I'm like, Alabama plays LSU,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 4: that weekend every year, Even if you didn't have Georgia
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 4: Old Miss, even if you didn't have Oregon Ohio State,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 4: which of course is not a traditional time, traditional November game. Anyway,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 4: you're still getting like Alabama and LSU are gonna get
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 4: the most primetime spot, They're gonna get the most shine
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 4: on that week. You might as well have it on
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: rivalry week and showcase like the other follow up for Brett,
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: you or Mark would be So why why does the
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 4: Territorial Cup get the feature oil?
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: Then that's already part of it.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: But Miami Notre Dame might be of all these and
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: these are all these are five really incredible games, including
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: by U Utah, but Miami Notre Dame. That's like two
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: national championship contenders Oregon Ohio State presumably national championship contenders
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: Alabama LSU. I don't believe in Lane Kiffin, but no,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: but that's huge SEC rivalry, right, Yeah, Georgia Georgia Old Miss.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see what happens with Ole Miss, but
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: that could end up being two national title contenders. Who knows.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: And I fully acknowledge I'm being a little unfair here
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: because there is the possibility that you try to move
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: this a week ahead, a week later, you're still going
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: to run into great games.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: College football is supposed to have great.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: Games every single week, and you can't thread the needle perfectly.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: You don't know exactly who's gonna emerge. I mean, look,
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: let's say you put it November fourteenth. Maybe next year
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: Vanderbilt's the best dang team. Maybe there's like a random
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: Vanderbilt Tennessee matchup that now you have to worry about.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: I get it. You're never gonna be able to land
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: this thing perfectly, unless, of course, you put it in
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: the traditional rivalry weekend where it belongs, and then there's
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: no room for criticism at all. Ever, I will acknowledge
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: this because I want to make sure we give a
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: voice to the concerns of our listeners and to the
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: people who actually support our show.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: A couple of folks Vegas ute dB Pepper says.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: What is best for local sports media may not be
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: the best for the two teams or the fans. Meaning
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: for me in sports media, I want that game in
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: the last week of the season. I guess because I'm
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: in sports media. That's not why. It's because I'm a
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: fan of the rivalry. I'm a fan of the game.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of my alma mater. I'm also a
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: fan of the coaching staff down at BYU. I'm a
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: fan of the idea that you could be talking about.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: Like again, hindsightsell was twenty twenty. If you're looking at
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: it through the twenty twenty five lens you're playing, that
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: game would have been last week of the season, a
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: game for the opportunity to go to the Big twelve
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: Championship game. It would have been a miniature Big twelve
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: Championship game in state, historic rivalry where the winner goes
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: on to play Texas Tech in the championship. Now playing
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: it in week ten, it still worked out that way,
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: but this last year it would have been like exactly that.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: That would have been that everyone in the building would
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: have known the stakes. There would be no question about it.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: It would be just like these are this is the
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: second and third best team in the conference record wise
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: and tiebreaker wise.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: Let's see which one of them it is.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: When we got it, love our listeners.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 4: We got to stop lumping what the games that national
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 4: media play with the game with stuff that we do
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 4: here in local media. We don't when you say what's
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: best for media, you're you're talking with this mindset of
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 4: like at ESPN they try to they they do things
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: on purpose to bring up the Cowboys. They do things
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: on purpose to bring up the Lakers, like we don't
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 4: play those games here at ESPN.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: Sechndary. If you thought I was bringing things up to
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: maximize my ratings, you haven't looked at my ratings. Okay,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: this is just it's how I feel.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: And this I responded to a tweet.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: So this I invite people into the conversation the same
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: way they So I'm not mad that anyone feels this way.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: But the assertion was like, if you play.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: That game in the final game of the final week
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: of the regular season, you really want BYU Utah to
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: be done six days before a conference championship game, that
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: huge emotional dump whatever. And my answer is yes, it is.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: You know why, because we lived that way all through
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: the history of this rivalry or through my history of
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: this rivalry, where more years than not it was massively
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: important for the conference championship. I get that was before
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: you playing a conference championship game, but it had ramifications
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: on the conference championship. It had bigger ramifications than that
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: in a couple of very special years, and I love that,
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: and I want the rivalry game to have that importance.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: I want the vry and I am a firm believer
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: and I always will be that if you can't win
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: in less than ideal circumstances, then you just can't win.
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: If you're a conference championship level team, if you're a
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: team like that first Pac twelve championship team, if you're
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: a team like the undefeated Fiesta Bowl and.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: Sugar Bowl teams.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: Obviously, anybody anytime, anywhere, and when you're trying to and
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: hoping for scheduling to be the reason why you can
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: win or not win, it's a fool's Errand in my opinion,
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: right now, Utah is heading into a year where I
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: think the schedule is friendly for them to win, friendly
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: for Morgan Scalley to be taking over as head coach
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: for the first time. There's going to be a year,
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: probably soon maybe twenty twenty seven where you get the
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: opposite right where you've got Texas Tech, Arizona State BYU
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: and Arizona all in one run in a row after
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: seven straight games with no bye week whatever, and in
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: that year.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 3: I'm still gonna say, if you're a great team, you
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: gotta win.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a brutal stretch, but if you're a good team,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: you gotta be able to overcome it. I don't want
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: to rely on scheduling to be the reason that you
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: can win a conference championship game. If you're good enough
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: to be in the conference championship game, you're good enough
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: to play BYU and beat them six days before that.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: Like if if you're good enough to beat Texas Tech,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: you're good enough to beat BYU, and you're good enough
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: to overcome the emotion, and you're good enough to have
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: the leadership necessary to do that, and you're good enough
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: as a coaching staff if you've done to say, all right, guys,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: because this is a short week, we're gonna have one
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: hardcore physical practice. All right, We're gonna have one bloody Wednesday.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: But Monday Tuesday is gonna be easy. I guess in
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: that case it'd be Monday gonna be easy, Tuesday is
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: gonna be rough, Wednesday is gonna be light, Thursday is
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: gonna be light. Friday we're gonna go win. I will
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: never ever ever support the scheduling of well, what if
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: one thing we can be guaranteed now that the Big
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: Twelve is back, or that the rivalry is back because
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: you're in the Big Twelve, one thing you could be
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: guaranteed every year is a BYU Utah game and that
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: should be played Rivalry weekend, regardless of anything else.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I just I don't understand the point of that
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 4: of it being on rivalry weekend not being best for
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 4: the fans. Like, first, first off, all due respect, another
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 4: reminder that the schedules don't. The schedulers don't think of
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: the fans when they make the schedule, and obviously they don't. Secondly,
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 4: that's you want your best get you want your rivalry
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 4: game on rivalry weekend, you want it on Thanksgiving weekend.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 4: Like that's that's when it's regardless of the history of
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 4: this particular rivalry, that's when the best rivalries in college
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 4: football are played and be what if you want if
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 4: the Big Twelve wants one of their rivalries to be considered,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 4: if they want their conference to be considered to have
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: one of the rivalries that stand up to the best
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 4: rivalries in the nation, they need to put their best
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: rivalry on rivalry weekend. All due respect to Territorial Cup
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 4: and Pharmageddon, they're nothing close to the Holy War. And
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 4: this is someone this is coming from someone who yes,
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 4: is from Utah, does sports radio in Utah, but did
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 4: not care about this rivalry until I started working for
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 4: this station.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 5: Yea.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: And I still recognize that it's one of the best
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 4: rivalries in college football. Like I have an internal slash
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 4: external perspective on this, and the Big Twelve needs to
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: and Brett Yormark need to understand what they have here.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 4: Losing Red River and losing Bedlam Holy War is definitively
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 4: the most passionate and best rivalry in the Big Twelve.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 4: And it's weird that it's weird, like you've had two
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 4: classic Holy War games in a row now, and one
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 4: of them this year that, like you've been saying, decided
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 4: one of the match effectively decided one of the conference
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 4: championship matchups or half of the conference championship matchup, and
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 4: they still don't understand what they have. It's maybe maybe
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 4: after next year they will. We'll see, all.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: Right, gotta take a break, We'll come back with little
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: cross talk. We'll give away pit Bull tickets June third
• 2:29:25
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• 2:29:29
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• 2:29:32
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• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: I bet it yet.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 5: Go to Times Square take a pixel of me with
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 5: a Kodak. Spent my life from negative to a positive.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: I just wants that to know that, and said.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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• 2:29:53
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• 2:29:59
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• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: And uh, all you have to do is answer for me.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: Where was Spencer Funnal ranked among the five star athletes
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: in rivals final rankings of their top recruits in the country.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: Not did I say Spencer Funal? My gosh, I'm screwing
• 2:30:31
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• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: is the what ranked overall player in this class of
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: twenty six. Spence, just let my dog out of the studio.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: He's gonna destroy the entire office. That was a bad idea.
• 2:30:51
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  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 3: Segment of the show and Cross Dog. If we ever
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: get to do it.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: Now that Spence is chasing my dog and his dog
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: have Rockies all riled up. He could because he's playing
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: with he's playing with Zuke. That's just open the door.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: I may have to go to help.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 3: Them, Spence. Spencer's gonna finish.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: Talking and I'm gonna go get the dogs, all right,
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: then come back.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 5: The issue, James.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 9: Is my dog's okay out because my dog is a
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 9: normal sized dog.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 5: So we let Duke wander around the office.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 4: Everyone in the office knows Duke is very friendly with,
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 4: very well behaved, and he just roams free.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was unaware that Shawn's dog is not allowed
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 9: out of the studio Sean.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 3: Sean keeps him on a little bit tighter leash.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: I think part of the training he's doing, certainly, but
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: also I think because he knows how gigantic he is,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: he is wanting them to get destroyed.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 5: Well, the funniest part is Duke.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 9: When Duke comes into the studio and he sees Sean's dog,
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 9: he gets very excited and then within like ten seconds
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 9: realizes that he is in a lot of trouble and
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 9: like has to like bail because Duke is like half
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 9: the size.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 5: What's Shawn's dog's name again.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 4: It's Rocky, Rocky, and Rocky is a mass stiff. Yes,
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 4: he hasn't. He likes to hide under the desk, so
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 4: he hasn't made that many appearances on YouTube, but he
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 4: has made a couple for the listeners that tune into YouTube.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 4: You've seen him a couple of times, but he's If
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 4: you haven't seen him, just picture. It's the same breed
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 4: as the as the beast from Sandlot. Yeah, and he
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 4: looks about as big as hercules from Sam.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 9: And Duke is an English cream and he's like forty
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 9: to fifty pounds.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 5: Sean is back. My bad lesson learned.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: Dogs are back.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 5: Okay, we're good, We're good.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: Where did you find? Where did he go? So the dogs?
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: Thankfully this is a dog friendly office and the dogs
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: both were found being treated to chicken jerky in the
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: corner office, so they're fine. Wow, well done, all right,
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• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: They are absolutely fantastic, more corraling happening of two All right,
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna let I'll let the dog owners do their thing.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: And hey, look, if I need to fill in for
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: a few seconds at a time, I got you.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 3: Rocky is now underneath the broadcast.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 5: Desk and Duke is out of the studio.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 3: July duly chastise Duke. Is it effectively an employee here?
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: He's used to it. He comes in and he just
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: makes rounds. And that, my friends, was radio Gold. That
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: was hilarious, is what that was? Wow?
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 5: Can you turn my headset up on your little board
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 5: over there? Sean?
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 9: Hey, look at us, cross Talk, Look at that. Does
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 9: anyone have any idea what's going on? If they just
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 9: tuned into the show. Anyway, We're good cross Talk? All right, Hey,
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 9: how are you heard you talking about the rivalry game?
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 9: I'm with you. The more implications the better, I say.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 9: You know, I'd like it at the end of the year.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 9: I always have. And with the way this conference is
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 9: shaking up outside of Tech, E y U and Utah
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 9: can have something to say about it as long as
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 9: they're in the same conference.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 5: So put it at the end of the year with
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 5: more implications.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: And if you think about it, so we think Arizona
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: and Arizona State probably will factor in a little bit
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: to that discussion. Yeah, right, one of those two teams
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: potentially guess when they're playing their territorial mm.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's just the right place to put.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 3: We don't have to overthink this. We don't have to
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: be like.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you schedule us so we have a better chance
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: of winning the conference championship game if we make it
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: to the conference championship game. No, you just you schedule
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: what you schedule, and if your team is good enough,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: they play and they win, and that's you don't actually
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: get hurt more in the BYU.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 3: Game than you do any other games either.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: They're an emotional dump, sure, but I don't know if
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: anyone has an advantage.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 3: I guess it would be Texas Tech because.
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: No one cares about them and they don't have a
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: real rival right exactly.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 9: And I mean, look, you tell me, from a player's standpoint,
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 9: is the narrative of the emotional letdown something that is
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 9: more media driven and more fan based driven. I feel
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 9: like the emotional letdown is like from the community where
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 9: everybody's like, the way the game is over.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: If there's an emotional letdown for you as a fan,
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: because it's like, well, I just played the rivalry game
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: and won it. Right now, it's hard for me to
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: get up for a conference championship game. Yeah what, yeah, no, yeah,
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: but I mean these are, by the way, by the way,
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: these are paid professionals now that are just expected to
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: be doing this.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 3: So I'm not worried about that at all, not even
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: a teeny bit.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 9: I've always just under from like a and look wit himself.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 9: When I had him on, I know we're still in
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 9: the shan Oh wait, it's two o'clock.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 3: We can say you're good, you can say that, you
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 3: can say there.
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  Speaker 9: You know, when I had him on this year during
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 9: Rivalry week, you know, as I was introducing him, I said, man,
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  Speaker 9: this is just such a fun, exciting week.
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  Speaker 5: And he stopped me. He said, did you say fun
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  Speaker 5: and exciting?
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  Speaker 9: I said, well, what's your adjective, Kyle, you tell me,
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  Speaker 9: and he's like intense.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that's who wit is. So you know, with himself.
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  Speaker 9: Admitted that the toll of the week, the emotion of
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 9: the week is a little bit different. But if you
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  Speaker 9: can't get yourself up for potentially a conference championship game
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  Speaker 9: the next week, you're in the wrong profession.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not worried about that now, and I know that.
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  Speaker 2: Like again, there's practicality to all these things. Well, if
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 2: you're the Big twelve and you're worried about that, then
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: don't have your conference championship game on Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, make it a regular week.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of things they can do,
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  Speaker 2: but putting the Holy Ward in the same week that
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: coincidentally this year is now Miami, Notre Dame, Alabama, Old
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  Speaker 2: Miss Oregon US or Oregon Ohio State is not going
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  Speaker 2: to do the Holy War any favors. If you're fine
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  Speaker 2: with that, and you can if you as a conference's
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  Speaker 2: like cool, whatever, Yeah, we don't care about that game.
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  Speaker 2: You're wrong for feeling that way, but put at the
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: end of the year, no, I will stop complaining. It's
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 2: it's a hard thing to get me to stop complaining.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 2: I will stop complaining if you just put it at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year.
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  Speaker 9: The lesson I've learned today is now I know what
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  Speaker 9: strikes fear. And Sean O'Connell, the look on your face
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  Speaker 9: as I opened the door for Rocky. I go to Sean,
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  Speaker 9: I goes this okay, and he just goes I said, no,
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  Speaker 9: shakes his head with his eyes just wide.
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  Speaker 3: Oh he is a sweet, sweet boy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he is one hundred and thirty five pounds
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  Speaker 2: and he's still a puppy. Yeah. And this is a
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  Speaker 2: dog friendly office most people here, But I don't know
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: that everyone who works here wants to be barreled over
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: by a you know, in this case, two dogs.
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  Speaker 9: Right, And that was my fear when I first started
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 9: bringing But Duke is a sixty pound English cream, sweet
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  Speaker 9: gentle boy. But you never know who's allergic and if
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 9: you're gonna get an email from HR like hey, we
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 9: have somebody in our office that is allergic to sense
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 9: about every six months we get it, like, hey, who's
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 9: wearing cologne?
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  Speaker 2: Email?
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  Speaker 5: Like I don't. It's definitely Sean.
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  Speaker 9: So I I have zero clue if there's anybody in
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 9: the office who's allergic to dogs. So the first like year,
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 9: I would keep Duke in here and then eventually started
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 9: letting him wrong, which is what.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to do. The first year. He's not even
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 3: a year old.
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  Speaker 9: But Rocky is a different, different breed than Duke, so
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  Speaker 9: we'll he's him into it.
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  Speaker 3: He's a he's a good boy.
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  Speaker 5: He's a great boy.
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  Speaker 2: If you watch the Sandlot, that's he looks. He looks
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  Speaker 2: a lot like that. Yeah, not quite as big and
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: slobbery yet.
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  Speaker 9: And he's very I mean, he's sweet, you know, he
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  Speaker 9: just he just as big as Actually, I was told
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  Speaker 9: because I was, I was apologizing to the corner office
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 9: profusely because that's where they ended up.
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  Speaker 3: Ye, And I was, I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 2: He's still a puppy, And I was informed that he
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: was the better behaved of the two dogs when he
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  Speaker 2: went into the corner office.
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  Speaker 9: Duke is like a homeless dog that hasn't had a meal.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 9: He's only he's only motivated by food. Like every time
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 9: I think like he loves me as his owner, I
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 9: realized he would leave.
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  Speaker 2: Me for a piece of cheese.
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  Speaker 9: Duke is very, very highly motivated by food, so I'm
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 9: not too surprised. The corner office has the best snacks,
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 9: by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had like it looked like organic chicken jerky.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah they have.
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  Speaker 9: They have snacks that occasionally been like hum, maybe I'll
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 9: try one of those swall while we're here.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that rock.
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  Speaker 2: He's motivated by anything. He's laying down, his eyes are closed.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: He's not impressed anymore. He's a good boy, all right. Uh,
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