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“Jerry Nadler’s Revenge!” (LIVE from Salt Lake City) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake!
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  Speaker 2: I want you to know something.
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  Speaker 3: I had a feeling you'd be like this.
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  Speaker 4: I love Utah.
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  Speaker 2: It's great.
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  Speaker 5: It's great.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Erin Ryan.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tag Romney.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 7: You could be a Romney.
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  Speaker 4: Don't say that shit.
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  Speaker 6: You could be Rofalka.
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  Speaker 8: Later in the show, we'll talk to Stacey Stanford from
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  Speaker 8: the Utah Health Policy Project.
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  Speaker 4: But first, let's get to the news. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think was going to happen? What did
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  Speaker 2: you think was going to happen?
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  Speaker 8: In a week where Trump was formally condemned by the
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  Speaker 8: House for telling four congresswomen of color to leave America...
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  Speaker 8: Support for impeachment is growing. On Wednesday, a record 95
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  Speaker 8: Democrats voted to move forward on an impeachment resolution introduced
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  Speaker 8: by Representative Al Green of Texas. The House also voted
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  Speaker 8: to hold Trump's Attorney General and the Commerce Secretary in
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  Speaker 8: criminal contempt of Congress for defying subpoenas about Trump's attempt
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  Speaker 8: to rig the census. On top of all this, new
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  Speaker 8: court documents released today offer more evidence of the president's
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  Speaker 8: role as an unindicted co-conspirator in the illegal hush money
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  Speaker 8: scheme that landed Michael Cohen in jail. And Robert Mueller
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  Speaker 8: is testifying next week. That's a lot of crimes, guys.
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  Speaker 5: That's a lot of crime.
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  Speaker 8: Let's start with Al Green's impeachment resolution, which says that
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  Speaker 8: Trump's racist statements have sown discord among the American people
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  Speaker 8: and proved him unfit to be president. Dan, what do
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  Speaker 8: you think of both the substance and the strategy behind
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  Speaker 8: that resolution?
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  Speaker 7: Well, the substance is definitely true, right? What he said
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  Speaker 7: was racist. Fact check true, yeah. It has its own discord,
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  Speaker 7: so fact check correct. The timing of it, I think,
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  Speaker 7: is unfortunate because this was a day where the Democratic
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  Speaker 7: House was standing united against Trump's racist comments and standing
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  Speaker 7: united against the efforts of Trump's cabinet in William Barr
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  Speaker 7: and Wilbur Ross by censoring them for refusing to abide
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  Speaker 7: by congressional oversight. So this was supposed to be a
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  Speaker 7: day of unity. And then this was sort of a
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  Speaker 7: publicity stunt that sort of stepped on that and sowed
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  Speaker 7: disunity on that day. I think ultimately it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 7: that much. I don't think it's going to make us
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  Speaker 7: more or less likely to have about whether Trump's going
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  Speaker 7: to be impeached or not. But I think it certainly
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  Speaker 7: was an unfortunate distraction on a day that was supposed
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  Speaker 7: to send a powerful signal, not just to the country,
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  Speaker 7: but also to the Democratic voters who sent Congress there
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  Speaker 7: for accountability.
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  Speaker 8: What do you think about Trump basically used it to
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  Speaker 8: vindicate himself?
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  Speaker 4: Tommy, you were talking about this yesterday. I mean, it
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  Speaker 4: was annoying.
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  Speaker 9: It was a real data point he could point to.
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  Speaker 9: Do you think he knew it wasn't the impeachment resolution,
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  Speaker 9: but a impeachment resolution?
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  Speaker 6: This is the key question, John.
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  Speaker 9: Because there were a bunch of Trump officials talking to
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  Speaker 9: reporters on background saying they weren't sure if Trump realized
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  Speaker 9: it didn't mean that he was out of the woods.
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  Speaker 9: There are some His own staff thought he might think
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  Speaker 9: that impeachment is now off the table. Now, I'm sure
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  Speaker 9: they clarified it after the fact, but whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, whatever.
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  Speaker 9: Trump is like the king of latching on to whatever
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  Speaker 9: it will take to get him through the next 15
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  Speaker 9: seconds of the news cycle. He actually said as much
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  Speaker 9: at that racist pseudo Nuremberg.
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  Speaker 6: Rally that he held the other day.
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  Speaker 9: Where he was like, you know, he said, like, if
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  Speaker 9: I had said what some of these members of the
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  Speaker 9: squad had said, you know, they would have come for me.
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  Speaker 4: It would have been over.
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  Speaker 6: But he's like, we get through it.
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  Speaker 9: We always do. But, you know, I think that the
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  Speaker 9: green impeachment measure going down won't ultimately matter at all.
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  Speaker 8: So, Aaron, a few other members of Congress came out
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  Speaker 8: today for impeachment. Congressman Bill Pesquerel of New Jersey said,
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  Speaker 8: and he had an interesting reasoning when he released his
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  Speaker 8: statement yesterday, He said that Trump's abuses of power, quote,
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  Speaker 8: have not abated but accelerated because of our failure to
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  Speaker 8: constrain him. What do you think of that argument? And
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  Speaker 8: do you think the politics of impeachment have changed over
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  Speaker 8: recent weeks?
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  Speaker 10: So first of all, let's take a moment to recognize
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  Speaker 10: that Bill Pascrell is now a part of the squad
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  Speaker 10: because of an Onion article that was a satirical tweet
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  Speaker 10: that he tweeted at the members of the squad.
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  Speaker 5: And they were like, sure. And now he's doing it.
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  Speaker 4: You think he's sitting at their lunch table now and
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  Speaker 4: they're like, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think they're like, yeah, it's Bill.
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  Speaker 10: He can hang out with us. There's always one weird
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  Speaker 10: member of a clique of five people. And he's the
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  Speaker 10: one that it's like, oh, yeah, that's like, so is
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  Speaker 10: that your dad?
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 6: He hangs out.
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  Speaker 5: He's cool.
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  Speaker 10: He stands up for impeachment like we stand up for impeachment.
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  Speaker 10: We're all in one squad. We're going to have to
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  Speaker 10: change the squad merch by adding it. But I think
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  Speaker 10: that in terms of the politics of impeachment, this is
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  Speaker 10: something that seems to be tricky and frustrating to watch because,
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  Speaker 10: you know, it seems like Congress is very responsive on this.
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  Speaker 5: Topic to polling.
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  Speaker 10: But the fact of the matter is polling doesn't determine
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  Speaker 10: that their job is to uphold their duty as prescribed
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  Speaker 10: in the Constitution, whether or not people like it.
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  Speaker 5: That is their job.
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  Speaker 10: And so it's nice to see, I think public sentiment
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  Speaker 10: and the sentiment of actual representatives is moving more toward impeachment.
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  Speaker 10: But it's a shame that it's so beholden to polling
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  Speaker 10: because it shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think on a week like this is when
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  Speaker 8: it really hits you because for him to stand up
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  Speaker 8: there and tell you know, four women of color.
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  Speaker 6: Who are elected members of Congress to leave America.
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  Speaker 5: They actually won their popular votes, by the way. All
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  Speaker 5: of them did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right. No shit.
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  Speaker 8: But it's like, for him to tell them to leave America,
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  Speaker 8: to see that rally where they are chanting, send her home,
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  Speaker 8: you know, like, it is, you realize, like, okay, Democrats
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  Speaker 8: don't have a ton of power right now. We can't
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  Speaker 8: pass legislation because we only have the House. But they
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  Speaker 8: do have the power to impeach him. And what Pascal
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  Speaker 8: is saying here is that, like, his abuses have not
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  Speaker 8: abated but accelerated is really interesting because he's basically saying
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  Speaker 8: by not doing anything, by just sitting back and watching,
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  Speaker 8: Donald Trump is basically saying, OK, well, now I can
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  Speaker 8: do whatever the fuck I want because they're too afraid
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  Speaker 8: to impeach me.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, it's not only that Democrats seem as
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  Speaker 10: though they're afraid to impeach if we're following this logic,
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  Speaker 10: but it's also the Republicans are afraid to do any
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  Speaker 10: fucking thing at all.
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  Speaker 5: Anything at all.
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  Speaker 10: I'm imagining them all going into their bathrooms, closing the door,
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  Speaker 10: and whispering into the mirror, racism is bad.
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  Speaker 5: That's the extent of what they're doing. Nobody hears it.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody sees it.
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  Speaker 10: They're talking into a paper bag and sealing it up
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  Speaker 10: and throwing it in the garbage when nobody's looking at them.
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  Speaker 5: So let's not forget.
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  Speaker 10: This whole series of scenarios, Tommy.
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  Speaker 5: I will go through with you after the show.
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  Speaker 6: I love it.
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  Speaker 10: But I think that there's a general lack of courage
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  Speaker 10: in general, and it's good to see more people standing up.
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  Speaker 4: Love it. There was a story in Politico that said
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  Speaker 4: that the.
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  Speaker 2: I like where this is going.
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  Speaker 4: You would love that.
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  Speaker 8: That the Democrats are moving so slow and carefully because
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  Speaker 8: they are trying to, you know, collect the evidence so
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  Speaker 8: they can win a court battle to try to get
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  Speaker 8: some of these documents.
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  Speaker 6: And that's why they're moving so slow. They want to
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  Speaker 6: be careful.
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  Speaker 8: Others have said they're doing this because they're just trying
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  Speaker 8: to run out the clock on impeachment. They're trying to
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  Speaker 8: wait for the moment where they can say, well, now
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  Speaker 8: we're in the heat of a presidential campaign.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously, we're not going to impeach him now. And that's that.
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  Speaker 11: So.
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  Speaker 8: What do you think it is and.
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  Speaker 4: What should happen?
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  Speaker 2: So both things can be true.
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  Speaker 3: It can be true that there are important procedures playing
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  Speaker 3: out in the courts. It can also be true that
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  Speaker 3: many people are playing this out because they want to
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  Speaker 3: see impeachment go away. I think what I come down on,
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  Speaker 3: when you start looking at this, okay, Dan's made this
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  Speaker 3: point that now Mueller is going to testify against right
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  Speaker 3: before they all go home, and Democrats are about to
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  Speaker 3: hear from a lot of members, their constituents, that they're
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  Speaker 3: angry and that they want impeachment. We're running out of time.
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  Speaker 3: We're running out of time to actually do this. To me,
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  Speaker 3: they will start saying, if we don't start impeachment in
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  Speaker 3: the fall, why do it now?
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  Speaker 2: There's an election coming up.
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  Speaker 3: And if we don't start impeachment, the process in September
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  Speaker 3: It means it can't happen before we start voting in primaries.
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  Speaker 3: And there's something about the image of Democrats voting to
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  Speaker 3: choose the person they want to face Trump running up
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  Speaker 3: against Democrats trying to impeach Trump that feels confusing to me.
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  Speaker 3: We have one shot to make the case against Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump in impeachment. I'm starting to view the fall as
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  Speaker 3: a great compromise. If you're a skittish, moderate Democrat from
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  Speaker 3: a suburban district, constantly jumping at shadows.
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  Speaker 2: Very antsy.
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  Speaker 7: Go on.
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  Speaker 3: You know there were those experiments where they would shine
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  Speaker 3: a light and then shock a rat? And those rats
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  Speaker 3: learned resilience. They knew when the shock was coming. They
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  Speaker 3: knew when to hide. And then there were the rats
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  Speaker 3: where the light and the shock were random. And those
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  Speaker 3: rats just lie down and take the shocks. The compromise is,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't want to be talking about impeachment in 2020,
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  Speaker 3: guess what?
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  Speaker 2: The fall is the chance to do it.
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  Speaker 3: If you believe impeachment is the moral responsibility of Democrats,
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  Speaker 3: and you fear for the country that fails to impeach
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  Speaker 3: a president as evil as this, then the fall is
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  Speaker 3: the moment to do impeachment. And so my view is,
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  Speaker 3: I don't care about the courts anymore. I wish we
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  Speaker 3: had time. I wish we had time. And so it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be incumbent on Democrats who believe we have
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  Speaker 3: a moral and even political responsibility to impeach this president
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  Speaker 3: to talk to their members this summer and put pressure
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  Speaker 3: on them in August so that when we come back
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  Speaker 3: in September, it is clear that it is now or
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  Speaker 3: never and we cannot play this clock game anymore.
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  Speaker 6: So Mueller's going to testify next week. Dan, what do
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  Speaker 6: you want to hear?
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  Speaker 8: What would you ask Mueller? What do you want to
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  Speaker 8: hear from him? And where should our expectations be also,
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  Speaker 8: I should ask?
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  Speaker 7: Whenever there's a lowering expectation question that comes to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you'll be dark for us.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, Mueller has told us, he's been pretty clear
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  Speaker 7: that there's going to be no news here, right? Everything
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  Speaker 7: he has to say, he put it in the report.
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  Speaker 7: And I think it's important for the members of Congress
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  Speaker 7: who are doing this to not try to be like
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  Speaker 7: the lawyer from A Few Good Men and try to
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  Speaker 7: get a code red moment out of it. What is really,
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  Speaker 7: really effective is just getting Mueller to, in a coordinated way,
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  Speaker 7: say it out loud. on camera for the nation to
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  Speaker 7: see exactly what he wrote in that report.
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  Speaker 4: Could you please read the executive summary for the next
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  Speaker 4: two hours?
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  Speaker 7: He's not going to say bad stuff about Bill Barr.
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  Speaker 7: He's not going to say that Trump should be indicted.
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  Speaker 7: He's going to be super careful. Let's just get him
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  Speaker 7: to say what he knows. more people see the movie
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  Speaker 7: than read the book. So if you can get him
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  Speaker 7: to do a live reading of the Mueller report out there,
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  Speaker 7: I think that would have real value in explaining to
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  Speaker 7: the country just what the president did.
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  Speaker 3: And as is often the case, there are those pedants
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  Speaker 3: who say that the book was better. Oh, wow, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but Jurassic Park, the book, now that's a story.
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  Speaker 10: Honestly, if that were an audio book, like a file,
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  Speaker 10: I would walk down the aisle to that.
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  Speaker 5: Robert Mueller reading.
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  Speaker 6: The Mueller report.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, even if you just asked Robert Mueller, was
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  Speaker 8: there substantial evidence that the president obstructed justice? He's going
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  Speaker 8: to say yes, because he said so in the report.
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  Speaker 8: Just those moments on television will be a big deal.
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  Speaker 9: Did you exonerate the president, yes or no? The president
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  Speaker 9: says you said there was no collusion. Is that true,
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  Speaker 9: yes or no? There's very easy factual things to get
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  Speaker 9: them on the record that will look incredibly damning for
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  Speaker 9: Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, why not?
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully, now, all of us should lower our expectations.
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  Speaker 2: Get those expectations lowered.
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  Speaker 9: Because Jim Comey issues a report about a president or
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  Speaker 9: presidential candidate.
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  Speaker 6: That motherfucker sprints to the microphones. Bobby Mueller, he's hanging back.
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  Speaker 4: Bobby 3-6.
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  Speaker 8: I just hope that all of the Democrats on the
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  Speaker 8: committee coordinate their fucking questions.
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  Speaker 7: They will not. The biggest problem with congressional hearings is
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  Speaker 7: members of Congress.
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  Speaker 10: I just think in general, the fewer words in Mueller's answers,
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  Speaker 10: the better. Because there can't be any wishy-washy-ness, there can't
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  Speaker 10: be any slipperiness on this. Like, if we have a
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  Speaker 10: video of Mueller saying yes or no, that's more powerful
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  Speaker 10: than him saying, like, kind of wavering.
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  Speaker 6: Square jaw, one word. Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Cut in and out.
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  Speaker 7: I guess one more tactical thing that would be important
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  Speaker 7: for Democrats to get out is to have Mueller, once again,
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  Speaker 7: like he did in his press conference, elucidate the threat
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  Speaker 7: to our elections in 2020. Because we still need to
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  Speaker 7: put pressure on Congress and the administration to actually do
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  Speaker 7: something to protect us. or at least have the American
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  Speaker 7: people know that Donald Trump is leaving the door open
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  Speaker 7: for Putin to walk through.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 6: The Republicans....
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  Speaker 9: What are the Republicans going to ask him? They're like,
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  Speaker 9: why are Diamond and Silk being silenced?
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  Speaker 8: Dirty dossier, you know, wasn't there a deep state coup?
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  Speaker 8: Let's talk about the lovers, you know, and their texts.
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  Speaker 8: All of that bullshit. All of it's going to come up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm eager to see that because.
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  Speaker 3: Robert Mueller's just magnificent square jaw is going to cut
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  Speaker 3: through that stuff like butter.
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  Speaker 2: Like, that guy is unruffleable.
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  Speaker 4: Unruffleable.
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  Speaker 2: Cannot be ruffled.
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  Speaker 8: So, Lovett, you started talking about this, but we have
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  Speaker 8: Mueller's testimony will be next week, and then they are
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  Speaker 8: going to all leave for August recess.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? They deserve it, too.
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  Speaker 7: They have worked for nearly two weeks straight. Well-earned.
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  Speaker 4: Well-earned.
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  Speaker 8: What does that do to the momentum behind impeachment that
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  Speaker 8: has been growing with both this week and, you know,
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  Speaker 8: presumably with Mueller's testimony?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think the good news is I do not
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  Speaker 3: believe the momentum has been growing because of what's actually
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  Speaker 3: taking place day to day in Congress. I think the
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  Speaker 3: recalcitrance and the obstinance of the Trump administration has been
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  Speaker 3: actually doing a lot of the work as has been
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  Speaker 3: activism and Trump just getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: What I said before is true. The momentum will be
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  Speaker 2: up to voters.
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  Speaker 3: It will be up to ordinary people to make clear
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  Speaker 3: that they are watching and that they care about this issue.
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  Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of Democrats based on
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  Speaker 3: punditry who have convinced themselves that there are the real
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  Speaker 3: issues people care about, and then there's process and holding
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  Speaker 3: Trump accountable. And making clear that those are one and
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  Speaker 3: the same for a lot of people, that they're really
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  Speaker 3: paying attention, is important. That there's a real political price
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  Speaker 3: for Democrats to pay if they fail to understand how
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  Speaker 3: passionate the voters who elected them are about this issue.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's especially true for if you have a
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  Speaker 8: moderate member or a member who was just elected in 2018,
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: those members are gonna respond to their constituents. Katie Porter
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  Speaker 8: came out for impeachment a couple weeks ago. She flipped
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  Speaker 8: a pretty Republican district in Orange County that had never
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  Speaker 8: sent a Democrat to Congress in decades. Ann Kirkpatrick in Arizona,
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  Speaker 8: she's from an R plus one district.
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  Speaker 6: She came out for impeachment this week.
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  Speaker 9: If those representatives know that more people in their district
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  Speaker 9: are calling and saying, you should open an impeachment inquiry,
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  Speaker 9: they're going to do it. They're going to respond to that.
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  Speaker 9: And so when these members go home in August, if
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  Speaker 9: you're a Democrat or an independent or whatever, and you're
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  Speaker 9: in one of these districts, and your member is still
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  Speaker 9: on the fence, you should go to those town halls
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  Speaker 9: and tell them that they should do this. Because what
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  Speaker 9: they say right now is, oh, none of my constituents
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  Speaker 9: care about this.
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  Speaker 8: They care about health care. They care about other issues.
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  Speaker 8: But they don't really mind about impeachment. So I'm not
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  Speaker 8: doing anything. Pressure will work on these Democrats.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: There is a.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Greg Sargent looked at the polling, and it was actually really,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I think, an important piece of this, which is the
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: new Democrats, the Democrats that helped give us the House majority,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: tend to be from more conservative districts than a lot
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: of the Democrats who have been in the House.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: For a long time.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: So a lot of these people that we need to
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: convince They are the new House majority that act, that Democrats,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: young Democrats, passionate people that knocked on doors and got out,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: that helped elect. These are the people that are actually
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: in the most, that view themselves as being in the
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: most difficult position.
• 17:25
  Speaker 12: That's all.
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: And I think, like, there's two ways to think about it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: It's like we're at 88, I think, or whatever it
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: was you said, and we got to get to half
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: of the 200 and some Democrats we have. That seems
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: like a long way to go. But there's a shortcut here.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: And if I was advising people on how to think
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: about pressuring Democrats to move an impeachment, is you only
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: need a majority of the Judiciary Committee And we are,
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: right now, six votes away from the majority of the
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: House Judiciary Committee. And so, if you're, like, as deserved
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: or cathartic as it may be to just tweet anger
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: at Nancy Pelosi, the more effective way to do this
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: is to organize in the districts, but also focus on
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: this member's Judiciary Committee. Because that will be the pressure
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: where it will be almost impossible, I think, for Nancy
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: Pelosi to say no. The majority of the Committee of
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: Jurisdiction is for opening the impeachment inquiry.
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: This is incredibly important because Jerry Nadler, who is the
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: chairman of the Judiciary Committee, it would be his committee
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: that opens the impeachment inquiry. He has been noncommittal on
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: impeachment up until now, partly because he's in Democratic leadership.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: He doesn't want to piss off Nancy Pelosi. During the
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: Al Green vote, Jerry Nadler was one of the ones
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: who voted to move forward on the impeachment resolution, which
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: was a big deal. So if you asked him today,
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: he'd probably still say, oh, I still want the investigations
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: to continue.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: But I think Jerry Nadler... wants to do this.
• 18:40
  Speaker 10: Jerry Nadler absolutely wants to do this because Donald Trump
• 18:42
  Speaker 10: used to call him Fat Jerry. Donald Trump was super
• 18:46
  Speaker 10: mean to him for a really long time and I
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: don't blame him for holding a grudge.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Jerry's revenge.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Jerry strikes back.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: You're going to call a Jew from Manhattan fat and
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: he's not going to remember?
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Let's go, Jerry.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: The other thing I'd say too, getting to a majority
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: is hard, but if this starts to look like it's
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: going to happen, they will all fall in line.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: This will be like a waterfall.
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: I just want to say one more thing about the
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: politics that's important. When listening to your opening here talking
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: about the rally and Trump being involved in a criminal
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: conspiracy to defraud the voting public, essentially, and you hear
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: all the things that happen every day, and the idea
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: that Trump can say these things about this congresswoman and
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: his party's totally fine with it, and we're having these
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: Nuremberg rallies in North Carolina, it kind of it makes
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: me very worried that our Democratic leaders are numb to
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: the scale of the stakes in this election, We're at
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: an actual crossroads for who we want to be as
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: a country. And the way to defeat what is happening
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: here is not running poll-tested, calculated campaigns. It's a grassroots
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: movement of millions of Americans. And you do that not
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: by being small and cautious. You do it by being
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: big and brave. If what happens, and that I think
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: is really important is everyone talks about the lessons of 2018.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: It's like we ignored Trump and we talked about healthcare,
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: we did this. The true lesson is that after the election,
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: millions of people started knocking on doors the next day
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: and showing up at marches. And if we don't match
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: that enthusiasm in 2020, we will lose.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, it's like you have to put down the
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: poll and ask yourself like what you feel in your
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: gut about this. And it's like, does this feel like
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: normal politics, or does this feel like something different and scary?
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: And I think after this week, you look at it
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: and say, you know, we could be headed to a
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: pretty dark place.
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: I'm swayed by that moral argument, but I've been a
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: hack about this, and I am now fully convinced that
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: the politics of impeachment are better than the politics of
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: whatever the hell has been happening. Because I don't know.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: We talked about this the other night, but I was...
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: very nervous about the Democratic Party being completely divided and
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: this thing's going south and impeachment inquiry and the utter
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: lack of oversight and accountability from the House when we
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: control Congress is leading.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: A bunch of people who voted to think, why did
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: I care? Why did I try so hard?
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: And if we don't let people know that there is
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: a reward that comes from working your ass off to
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: vote for people and get them to elected office, then
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: why will they do it again?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Well, it's just from a pure.
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: From a pure political calculus, too, the House of Representatives
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: voted to condemn Donald Trump's racism this week with a resolution.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: A resolution has no teeth, right? It's just to pass
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: a resolution. Does anyone think that Donald Trump had a
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: good week this week? No, he goes crazy every time
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: something happens.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump thinks that Donald Trump had a good week.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just knocked it out of the park again today, Donald.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Does anyone think the politics of what happened this week?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: They were not good.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: The fact that Republicans today had to send a message
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: to Trump to stop saying some of the things he's
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: been saying, I think are not good for him. The
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: fact that four Republicans did join in the resolution, it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: not nothing, it's not zero.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: So I think that does matter.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: And also just.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I do think it's worth remembering, too, and this is
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the darkest argument to me for impeachment. I don't want
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: to look back at having not done it, of not
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: having used this power at this critical juncture and wondering
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: if we should have done more.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: We have to do everything we can now.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Win or lose.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: I agree with that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Now it's time for OK Stop. Roll a clip and
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the panel can say OK Stop at any point to comment.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: High school debate. It's shaped some of America's sharpest minds
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: to use logic and reason and unleash it on the
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: world's problems.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Oprah Winfrey, Elizabeth Warren, Ben Shapiro.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Ben took a break from cosplaying as America's little
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: brother in his rebellious conservative phase because his mom left
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: his dad for a guy she met canvassing for Obama
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: to share his thoughts on Bond.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: James Bond.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Let's watch.
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: Say that there's a beautiful woman who is playing James Bond,
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: like Lashana Lynch, let's say. And now she wants to
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: seduce the most handsome man. Is that in any way difficult?
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: Bond is about the guns and the girls. When it
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: comes to the seduction of women, there is a very,
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: very large difference.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Okay, stop. It's hard to hear and to watch. Remember
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: that guy, the pickup artist, Mysterio?
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: Who had the hat and the big earrings, and he
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: was all about negging women and making them feel bad,
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: and that's how you got a date. This entire analysis
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: is derived from reading that guy's book.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, also, like, I'm really confused about him being upset
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: that he has to look at a beautiful woman on screen. Like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: as a person who claims to be a heterosexual man,
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: wouldn't that be something that you.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Would prefer to watch?
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: Like, when you watch porn, do you just, like, zoom
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: in on the one corner where, like, the guy's chest is?
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Tommy, she was actually directing it at you.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: That's such a right question to you, Tommy.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Answer the question, Tommy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Roll the clip.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: And a man. I'm not even going to get into the.
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: lesbian aspect of this.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: What?
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: What is he talking about? Where did the lesbian aspect
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: of this come in?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Let's take a part of this seriously, which is the
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: idea that part of what is central to James Bond's
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: character is that he is a man whose charisma, handsomeness,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: and spy ability, gives him incredible seduction abilities over women,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and that that is part of his appeal, but that
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: a beautiful woman would not have to work as hard
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: to seduce a man, so barring a female 007 being
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: a lesbian, using logic, she will not have to show
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: as much prowess and as much ability to seduce men,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and therefore will have.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Lost some of what is central to the character of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: James Bond.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: In the serious part here, Things must be going pretty
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: fucking well for you if the greatest threat that you
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: can find is losing James Bond as your male idol.
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: Character is going to be a lesbian. Let's assume that
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: she's not for a second. Let's assume that she is
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: just black female James Bond, which means that she's betting
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: the most handsome men. That is not in any way
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: a wish fulfillment fantasy for the men who typically watch
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: the Bond films.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Okay, stop.
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: Okay, stop.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: What?
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: Maybe a wishful film in fantasy for women who watch
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: Bond films is to see a black female James Bond.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: Maybe men don't all watch James Bond for wish fulfillment fantasies.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Take it back, John.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: What do you think I'm watching?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: If you think I'm watching.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Daniel Craig at James Bond because I'm in love with
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Daniel Craig. Truly, deeply, actually, for real, in love with him,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: shame on you.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: I want to see if the guy he thinks is
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: his friend is not really his friend, but his enemy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm there for, the plot twists.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I'm there for Q. Q and the gadgets, that's all
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: I want.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I watch James Bond for the articles.
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: Sexist about this.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: Okay, the challenge for.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: James Bond is.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Okay, stop.
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: What?
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: You're going to be sexist about.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Here comes the sexism.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: Well, let me gird my loins for Ben Shapiro being
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: a sexist little elf screaming into a microphone at 1.5
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: speed somehow all the time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: Conquest right that's obviously been part of the trope of
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: the series is this conquest driven mentality by james bond
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: now they're trying to make it as though he has
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: to be in a relationship every movie because they're trying
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: to make it as though he is.
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: Not okay stop like if this is what he thinks
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: like he's he's denigrating relationships because he wants james bond
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: to have more it's more aspirational.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: To have get to fuck around why doesn't james bond
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: have more um what.
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: Understood Okay, but that was always the appeal of Bond,
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: is in every movie he was going to somehow seduce
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: the most beautiful woman in the movie into bed with him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: And this is what made him an idol to millions
• 27:58
  Speaker 12: of men, who of course would like to seduce beautiful women,
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: but are incapable of doing so. Because there's an actual.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Challenge to it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: A lot of projection there. A lot of projection there.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: It's just great when they tell on themselves at the
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: very end like that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: You know though, I.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: That was better than I thought.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I was interested in this clip. The actual substantive important
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: thing to me about this conversation about whether 007 can
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: be a black woman is the qualities that we view
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: as irreducible in a character. Nobody was bothered when Daniel
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Craig went up, sorry. It's on the mind. When James
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Bond went from being a brunette to a blonde, that's
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: obviously not essential to the character. And people in America,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: we certainly didn't care that James Bond had been Scottish
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and then went to, I don't know, Welsh or whoever
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: the fuck, it doesn't matter to us. It's all just
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a bunch of people we beat in a war once,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter. But he's actually, I think, revealing
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: something important, which is there are a lot of men
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: who might have trouble seeing a woman as a character
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: through which they could have a fantasy, that they could
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: put themselves in her shoes and experience the world through
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: her eyes and live vicariously through a female character and
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that's I think it's wrong to
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: be angry that you don't get to do that automatically
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: but I don't but I do think it's worth remembering
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: that like that is the salience of gender that is
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: so important for so many people that actually making a
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Bond character female would do a lot to help fix.
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: I also wanted to add Phoebe Waller-Bridge who is from
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: Fleabag is writing the new James Bond and if she
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: sees this, my prayer to the gods is that she
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: opens James Bond with a scene of a little tiny
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: right-wing pundit yelling about a black female superhero getting his
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: ass kicked.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: That's a great idea.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: And that's okay, stop.
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: All right, let's talk about 2020. Just minutes ago, CNN
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: conducted a live NBA lottery-style drawing to determine the candidate
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: lineup for the second set of Democratic primary debates to
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: be moderated by Anderson Cooper in Detroit on July 30th
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: and 31st. On the first night, on the first night,
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: we have Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg. Okay, we're
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: not going to be able to do this for all
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: the candidates. Just let me say the names. We know
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: you have favorites. On the first night, we have Elizabeth Warren,
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg, Beto O'Rourke, Amy Klobuchar, Tim Ryan,
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: John Hickenlooper, Marianne Williamson, John Delaney, and Steve Bullock. On
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: the second night, we have Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Julian Castro,
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: Andrew Yang, Cory Booker, Jay Inslee, Kirsten, Gillibrand, Tulsi Gabbard,
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: Michael Bennett, and.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Bill de Blasio. Clap for Bill de Blasio. There you go.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: There you go. CNN also announced some new rules for
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: this next debate. There will be no show of hands
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: or one-word down-the-line questions.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: And a candidate who consistently interrupts will have his or
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: her time reduced.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Watch out.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Eat shit, John Delaney.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: Let's start with the drawing itself since we had a
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: great time backstage watching the drawing. How do we think
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: CNN handled the process this time? Improvement over NBC? Tommy,
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: we'll start with you.
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: No.
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: I think that ultimately the result was good. But if
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: you guys didn't watch this, you probably didn't because you
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: were getting nagged in line. They drew one group, then
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: they went to break. Then they drew the second tier,
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: and then they went to break. And then they came
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: back and subjected us to 15 minutes of punditry about
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: what was going to happen next when they controlled our
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: ability to know what was going to happen next. It
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: was like, it was peak cable TV making it about
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: themselves and reminding us all the things that are wrong
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: about cable TV. Now, ultimately, I think this will be
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: an interesting debate, especially the second night.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: There was an.
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: there was multiple camera angles on the boxes that they
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: drew the names out of, including an overhead cam down
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: into the box, to which the three different people they
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: had drawn from the box said, I can't see into
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: the box right now, but you can from the overhead cam.
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: I just thought the most surreal aspect of it was
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: like what Tommy mentioned, where they had control about what
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: was going to happen next, and they were trying to analyze.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Their future decision.
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: It's like if I woke up in the morning, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: sat and looked at my closet, and I was like,
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: what is she going to wear? Well, if she picks this,
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: instead of just picking out my outfit.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Aaron versus the romper. Just pick your fucking outfit.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: They were treating it like they were waiting for the
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: returns from Palm Beach.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: But they controlled the returns.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: They had the returns. They're in charge.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: With nine pundits on stage.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Nine.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Nine.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, there are sort of two ways to look
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: at this. One is, like, who gives a shit, right? Like,
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: cable now, in this day and age, is micro-targeted to
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: a group of mostly older political junkies. Like, that's who they're...
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: They're not trying to inform the public, per se, other
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: than in big news moments, they're just doing narrating politics
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: for a group of political junkies. And so in that sense,
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: you don't care. But on the sense of it, like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: there is another level where I do think it does
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: sort of matter, which is We've been on this arc
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: for a while now. It's about the trivialization of politics, right?
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: We cover it like sports. And now we're doing basically
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: the NBA draft lottery. And there is a connection, not
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: a direct connection, but there is at least, I guess,
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: a relationship between treating politics this way and having a
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: reality TV star who has no business doing the job
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: as president. Those things are not unrelated.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: There wasn't... There was a good intention underlying some of this,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: which was to be radically transparent about how the various
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: people ended up on stage, but they milked that good
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: intention for an hour of catheter ads or whatever else
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: they could throw on TV.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Can I make a serious point about it, too? Which is,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: this is it. This is what cable news will be
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: like for the next year and a half. We can't
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: really change it. We can work the refs, and there's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: some value in doing that, though I think trying to
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: badger the New York Times and changing headlines has diminishing value.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Part of this is it's incumbent upon our candidates to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: choose where they play the game and choose where they
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: call out the game. You know, Chuck Todd, I'm going
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: to repeat this forever, but Chuck Todd telling everybody to
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: raise their hand, I don't think that that was a
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: good way to elucidate the most important issues facing the country.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: But they all went along with it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: And one thing I would like to see the candidates
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: do more is pick fights with the refs. Like, I
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: think that that was a moment for a candidate to say,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: hold on a second, Chuck, this is no way to run.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: This is no way to run a Milk stand, or
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: what have you. The Democratic Party, I think, is a
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: little bit too comfortable with handing over this control to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the networks, but the candidates don't have to go along
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: with it. They can make moments by not just fighting
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: with each other, by calling out the moments where the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: media is treating it too much like a sport.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: Mary Lou Williamson tackled Sean King in the stage.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: At the drawing.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: She would hug him.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: She would hug him.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: You want a little more enemy of the people vibe?
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Give me 3%.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Listen, give me 3%.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: No, I don't want enemy of the people, but hey,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: this is fucking dumb. And having the audience applaud is
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: not bad for any.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: Of those candidates.
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think part of the reason why it's
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: dangerous is that I think public interest in elections and
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: in democracy is so fragile and fleeting, especially given what
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: we have right now.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Like, it's so hard to get people excited. It's so
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: hard to get people to participate.
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: And to have CNN just milk it into an hour,
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: that is a waste of time for everybody.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Is a really, it's a dereliction of duty.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Corporate greed.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: And it's gross. The media shouldn't be doing that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: Well, that's the, I mean, that is the ultimate point,
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: which is our media is run by corporations. They are
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: businesses with payrolls and bottom lines and investors. And they,
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: so like you, we have to disabuse ourselves of the
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: notion that they are in it only for the democracy, right?
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: They have, they are a business and we have to
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: understand their motives that way. And this is good business
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: for CNN.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: CNN was.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: in the shitter before the 2016 election. They were struggling mightily,
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: and they benefit. All cable has benefited. Cable was going
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: like this, and then Trump happened. And that doesn't mean
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: that I think they are for Trump. I don't actually
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: think that. But Trump made politics interesting, and that is
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: keeping cable afloat. And we just have to understand that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: One important distinction.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: The journalists who had to do that drawing today are
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: doing their jobs. I bet they found it embarrassing. We
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: respect them. We like them. They got a bunch of
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: bosses who work for some publicly traded company that are
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: telling them to do this stupid shit.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: And it's also worth remembering, too, that there's some nuance
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: here in that CNN, along with doing this NBA draft, which, again,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: this is the first NBA draft I've seen, and.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I can't believe this is what all the fuss is about.
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: Uh....
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: But CNN has done some of the most substantive and
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: serious town halls and debates. I thought when they had
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Ted Cruz debating Bernie Sanders about really important issues, the
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: anchors at CNN have had some of the most compelling
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: confrontations with Trump officials. They've run these incredibly valuable town
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: halls that allowed Pete Buttigieg to become a serious candidate.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: That was Dan's interview.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: What?
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That was Dan's interview.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: And Dan's interview, obviously Dan gave him.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: The Buddha bump.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: All that's a way of saying is that CNN contains multitudes,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: you get it.
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: I think this is an important point to be totally
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: fair is that stuff, pays for the town halls, right?
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: Because CNN, to their credit, and MSNBC is doing a
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: similar thing, is yes, giving a town hall to Kamala
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: Harris and getting a lot of viewers, that's good for everyone, right?
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: Giving a town hall to Steve Bullock or John Hickenlooper,
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: that is not, that's not good TV, it's not good ratings,
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: but they gave it to everyone, and you got to
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: pay for that somehow, right?
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: So this is a good time to mention that during
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: the final tier draw, when they selected the four top
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: candidates and which nights they'd be in, everyone on this
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: stage was literally cheering backstage, glued to the television set.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: It was good TV.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: It was great TV.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: So let's actually talk about the substance of that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Every principle we had was out the window. It was
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the end of Animal Farm. We were pigs at that
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: fucking table.
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: Love it was like, I'm going to go out on
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: that stage and give CNN a piece of my.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Yes, Joe Biden!
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: So what....
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: What campaigns of the top campaigns, we don't have to
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: go through all 30,000 people running for president. The top campaigns,
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: who do you think was happy with the drawing and
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: where they ended up? And who do you think is unhappy?
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Dan, you want to?
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: I think Joe Biden is probably not happy.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Because it's a rematch with Kamala Harris.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: It's a rematch with Kamala, which every media outlet is
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: happy about. But he's also on there with Cory Booker,
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: who has been fighting with Biden about, I think, rightly
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: criticizing Biden about his comments about segregationists. Julian Castro, who
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: has proven to be very aggressive in the last debate,
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: I think has been coming after Biden. On Biden's stage,
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: Biden and Warren are the only two who have qualified
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: for the September debate. So all these other people are
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: in a do or die situation where they have to
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: have a moment to repel their candidacy or it will
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: be over for all intents and purposes in a month.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Biden and Harris.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: Biden and Harris, the only two. Yes, Biden and Harris
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: are the only two who have done that. So there
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: are going to be a lot of desperate people there
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: taking swings and the person they're going to take a
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: swing at is going to be Biden.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But Dan, can I ask you a question?
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Why is it that it seems as though there are
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: candidates for whom there is a cost to go after,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: and there's candidates where it seems like there's lower costs?
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: It seems like in the first debate there was low
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: cost to attacking Beto. We have this instinct that there
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: will be low cost to going after Biden. Why is
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: it less seen as sort of low risk to attack
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: Well, I think if you were trying to get from
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: 0% to 2%, there is low cost going after Biden.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: If you were trying to generate enough online attention to
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: raise more donors, there's zero cost going after Biden. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: for all of the shit that Biden gets among the
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: online left, some of which is very deserved, he is
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: the most popular person on that stage by far. There's
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: a massive amount of goodwill among Democratic voters for him.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: So if you're trying to go from 15 to 20,
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: there may be a cost of going after Biden. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: there may end up over time... If Kamala Harris and
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: Biden go after each other repeatedly, there may be cost
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: to Kamala for doing that over time. But if you're
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: going from zero to two, you have nothing to lose, right?
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: That's where the money is.
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: Aaron, what do you think about Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: Warren being together on the first night?
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: Oh, man. I feel like a lot of white college
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: professor couples will have a difficult night. I think that,
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: I mean, I was going to say on a serious note,
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: but I am very serious about that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: There's going to be an English lit and history are
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: going to be.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: The Middlebury Campus.
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: They're going to be in separate caftans that night.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: I think that.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Why don't you fucking make the quinoa?
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: Um.
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: I think that seeing Warren and Sanders on this stage
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: will be interesting, but I do not think that Sanders
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: is going to go after Warren. He might ask her
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: to clarify some things, but I think that to me, Warren,
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: and maybe this is just because as a candidate I
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: really like her, she seems sort of, she cares so much,
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: she seems kind.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Of bulletproof to me.
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: Because no matter what it is that she... says and
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: what she believes, she's done the research. She knows what
• 41:44
  Speaker 10: she's talking about. There's no way for her to get
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: tripped up on duplicity. I think Sanders will probably not
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: really know what to do with her. And I don't
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: think that Warren is going to go after Sanders either.
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: So I think it'll be at the end of the
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: night that professor couple will be getting along again.
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: Well, so the interesting thing is, and this was one
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: of the funny parts of the CNN coverage, is before
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: they pick Sanders and Warren for that night, they have
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: the rest of the candidates and they spend five minutes
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: being like, Well, this first night is the moderate candidate
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: night because they're all very moderate candidates. And it's going
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: to be this debate about the center of the party.
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: And then they were like, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, I guess not.
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: You hadn't picked them all.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So I sort of wonder.
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: But I do think that first night could be a
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: more congenial affair because you have Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders,
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: who I agree with you, don't really have incentives to
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: go after each other. And then you have Pete Buttigieg
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: and Beto O'Rourke and all these other people who I
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: don't see them all trying to mix it up with
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: each other as much.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: They sort of divided the debate amongst the confrontational people
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: and the non-confrontational people.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, they all seem to be sort of non-confrontational.
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: You could see Tim Ryan or John Delaney thinking now
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: is the time to attack Medicare for All as unreasonable
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: or trying to really make an electability argument against Bernie Sanders,
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: for example. Like, you never know what some of these
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: lower tier candidates are going to do. I mean, Marianne
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: Williamson might just learn how to juggle right there on stage.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: She could move objects with her mind.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: That would be pretty cool.
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: So, you know, and then like Tulsi in Night 2, like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: you know, that she has an interesting opportunity. You know,
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: she kind of took Tim Ryan down a peg on
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: foreign policy. It'd be interesting to see if she goes
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: after Joe Biden on a rock. Because I still think
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: that his answer... How many pegs was Tim Ryan up?
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: That's for others to answer. But, you know, I think
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: Joe Biden is still in a tough place where, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: his answer on why he supported the Iraq war is
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: basically that, well, once I got to the White House,
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: Barack Obama put me in charge of winding that war down.
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: Tulsi Gabbard, having served in the military, could make a
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: compelling case for why that lack of judgment maybe means
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: he isn't electable. So, you know, you never know what
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: these lower tier candidates are going to do.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: That's basically my point. Last question on this.
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: After the last debate, most of the analysis was about
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: how maybe the Democratic Party is moving too far to
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: the left because a lot of the candidates on stage
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: took positions on healthcare and immigration that were further to
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: the left. Yesterday, Rahm Emanuel, our old boss in the
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: White House, wrote a Washington Post op-ed arguing for more
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: moderation and wrote, quote, the only two Democratic presidents to
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: win reelection since FDR won the White House by reaching
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: out to the center. Dan, do we think that's true
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: of Obama? And do we think it's still true today?
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: It is true about Obama in the sense that he
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: won independence in 2008 by a lot. There are a
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: lot of people who voted for Obama in 2012 who
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: voted for Trump in 2016. Quote-unquote swing voters supported Obama.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: That's why he won by very large margins both times.
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: But I think what is important to remember is Obama
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: persuaded middle-of-the-road voters to support his agenda. He did not
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: allow the whims of middle-of-the-road voters to change his agenda.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: And that is, I think, the problem that It's where
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: we get wrapped around the axle in this conversation is, yeah,
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: the math is very clear. To win a 270 vote
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: electoral college count, you have to do both. You have
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: to excite the base and you're going to have to
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: persuade some people. who either supported Trump in 2016 or
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: supported an independent candidate that year. So you're gonna have
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: to persuade people, but you don't have to change what
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: you stand for. If you have a compelling message about
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: why your agenda is good for people, you can persuade them.
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: It doesn't mean, like persuading people in the middle does
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: not mean moving to mushy middle centrism.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's worth remembering, something that we've pointed out before,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: that the debate about what it means to moderate that
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Rahm is articulating feels very old to me, especially when
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: there's so much polling that shows that the so-called, you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the positions that are defined against moderation, whether it's a
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: wealth tax or a higher marginal tax rate or a
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Green New Deal, you know, you go through these actual
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: issues with voters and they're quite popular, not just amongst Democrats,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: but among independents and even some Republicans. So, you know,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: the country is telling us what the center is.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: The D.C.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Has a weird and incorrect notion of what the center is.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: The center of the country is further to the left
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: than a lot of pundits would like to admit.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: It's just the pundits in the press can only interpret
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: politics through the frame of ideology, which is how it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: discussed in Washington. Because you have liberal think tanks, conservative
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: think tanks, and people who have named themselves moderates. But
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: that's just not how voters think about it. If that
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: was the case, you wouldn't have had people who elected
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: Barack Obama and Donald Trump in.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Four years apart.
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: Or, like, we just look at the 2018 elections, right? Like,
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: you know, Sherrod Brown wins in Ohio. Tammy Baldwin wins
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: in Wisconsin. Two states that Trump won. They're both very
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: progressive senators. And then Kyrsten Sinema wins in Arizona and
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: flips that for the first time, and she's a very
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: moderate candidate, right? Like, you can't actually sort of connect
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: ideology of candidates to the states and where they won, necessarily.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 46:59
  Speaker 10: I've found that a lot of times when people write
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: columns that are like, why don't Democrats reach out to
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: the center? It is kind of coded for why don't
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: Democrats reach out to my personal views. And that is,
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's kind of been a pattern. And on
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: the other hand, you know, Republicans are rarely asked to
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: reach out to the center. You know, Donald, I mean,
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: there was kind of a satirical call in the Times
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: today that was like, Donald Trump, why don't you reach
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: out toward the center?
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: But the reality is the right is so far to
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: the right.
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: Like, I can't reach it if I lean all the
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: way this way. Like, the left has the center just
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: by embodying goals that normal people have.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: It's hilarious that we're at a.
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: I will end by saying it's hilarious that we're at
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: a place where a column about how Donald Trump should
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: reach out to the center to win re-election is seen
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: as satirical only.
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: David Brooks is like, why don't you call me at home?
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: You have my cell, you have my fax.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Okay. Time to play a game.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: You guys want to play a game?
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Utah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: My name is John. We come... from Los Angeles.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: We know our customs must seem strange to you, with
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: jeans that cling to our legs and shorts that end
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: before the knee. We come in peace, and we have
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: brought gifts from East and West, a New Yorker tote bag,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: a rentable e-scooter, and acai bowls.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: From a restaurant one quarter owned by Jessica Bielt.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: We have traveled great distances on Delta where we have
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: status to this foreign land of Republicans and Mormons and
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: frigging gnarly powder. For we bring a message of unity
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: and hope. Yes, we love films that end with Emma
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Stone wondering if her devotion to Olivia Colman was worth
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the cost set against 17th century Britain. And you love
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: films that end with Chris Hemsworth covered in dirt and
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: baby oil pummeling an alien robot army set against Chris
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Evans also doing that.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: We're so divided.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Blue America and Red America, Oscar and Felix, Chris Tucker
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: and Jackie Chan, George and Kellyanne. But are we as
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: different as it seems? Yes, red states may reject democratic
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: politicians faster than you can reject a call from a
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: friend who texted you about helping him move three days ago,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: and you were avoiding it, slash trying to think of
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: how to get out of it, and boom, your phone rings,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: and it's like, ew, democrat, reject it. But there has
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: been a strange phenomenon in recent years, the reddest of
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: red states embracing the bluest of blue policies, hating the sinner,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: but loving the sin. To explore this trend, it's time
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: to play Democrats.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Can't win with them. Actually, maybe can win without them.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Weird, why?
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Seems like we should figure this out. Would someone out
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: there like to play the game? You're standing up, but
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: there's no merch on your shirt. Oh wait, she had
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: it in her bag and she put it on. She wins,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: she gets to do it.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: That was impressive.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: That was great.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: That was impressive.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Hi, what's your name?
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Christina.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: And where are you from, Christina?
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: Salt Lake City, Utah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: Are you ready to play?
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: Question one.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: In 2018, voters here in Utah passed a ballot measure
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: that would expand Medicaid to 150,000 people in the state.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: How did the Republican legislature react?
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: Is it A, By slow rolling the expansion, one legislator said, hey,
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: Rome wasn't built in a day, and it didn't fall
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: in a day. Rome gradually unraveled as a result of inequality,
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: neglect of vital infrastructure, imperial overreach, corruption, and decadence.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Point is, we're fine. Or is it B?
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: With grace and humility, accepting the will of the voters.
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: This is the right answer. No need for other clues.
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: Or is it C?
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: That ballot measure passed in November. The legislature meets in January.
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: If you think I'm going to stay inside some capital
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: when that mountain is calling my name, bro, nah. I
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: didn't buy my ex-sister-in-law's high boy and drive all the
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: way to Utah to expand Medicaid. I came here to
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: legislate that gnarly fucking pow-pow.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Or is it D?
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: Republicans in the legislature immediately broke faith with the state's voters,
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: watered down the ballot measure, implemented a much weaker expansion
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: in its place. D.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Which one did you think? Dan. D. D, yeah, okay.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: I knew where your heart was at.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Question two.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: In 2018, Senator Claire McCaskill lost a close and hotly
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: contested Senate race. But on that same night, Missouri also
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: passed which three ballot measures?
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Is it A?
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: They passed a resolution declaring both Kansas City-style and St.
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: Louis City-style barbecue to be the official barbecues of the state.
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: They established regulations to ensure only high-quality corncob pipes could
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: bear the name Missouri. And they passed a law requiring
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: elected officials to pronounce it Missouri. It was a big
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: day for fans of classic Missouri stereotypes.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Or is it B?
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: Legalizing medical marijuana, establishing independent commissions to draw congressional districts,
• 52:36
  Speaker 10: and raising the minimum wage.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: Or is it C?
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: Okay, it was pretty intense. The first ballot measure said
• 52:43
  Speaker 9: that Sandra had to admit that the divorce was mutual.
• 52:46
  Speaker 9: The second measure said that it was illegal for Sandra
• 52:49
  Speaker 9: to say their mutual friends at the club that Daryl
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: blubbered for a solid two hours. And finally, if Sandra
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: is going to gallivant around town with Ricardo, she can
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: at least not go to Jerry's Fish Fry at a
• 52:59
  Speaker 9: restaurant Daryl introduced her to. It was his place first.
• 53:05
  Speaker 9: So is it that or is it D?
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: Mandatory biannual fire extinguisher checks in schools. a restructuring of
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: retirement benefits for full-time government employees, and revised summer hours
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: for public parks. Yeah, that's right. Sometimes good government is boring.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: What do you think? B. B.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: You got it. B.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Christina, you're doing so, so well.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Next question.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Presidential candidates Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are calling for
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: new rules to reign in Wall Street. Despite these candidates
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: being called extreme by Republican politicians and many pundits, what
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: percentage of likely voters support stronger rules and enforcement on
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: the financial industry?
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Is it A?
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: Almost 30%, which is also the percentage of a bill
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: you'd tip if you weren't sure if there was actually
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: something between you and your waiter, a connection. And you're
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: afraid to write your number because that's what a douche
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: would do. But you want to make clear you felt
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: something if it was real, and it may.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Not have been.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Or is it B?
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: Almost 50%, which is roughly the percent of the voting
• 54:11
  Speaker 10: age population currently running for president in the Democratic primary.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: Or is it C?
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: Almost 70%, which is also what many economists believe to
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: be the optimal tax rate for the wealthy.
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: Not a joke, I guess, but still, fuck you, fat cats.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Or is it D?
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: Almost 80%, which is also the percent chance you're going
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: to hear them play a Bruno Mars song when you're
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: at TJ Maxx.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: I'll say C, but I love Bruno Mars. And TJ Maxx.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Listen, we all love TJ Maxx. Which was the right answer.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: You got it wrong. You know what? Don't follow some
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: people sometimes. Listen in here. Christina, trust this.
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: Question four.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: All of the following policy positions are considered too extreme
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: for most Republicans. Which of those positions is at over
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: 50% approval amongst voters?
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: Is it A?
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: All gun buyers must pass a background check, as opposed
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: to our current system where gun buyers are exempt if
• 55:17
  Speaker 8: they know a guy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: Or is it B?
• 55:21
  Speaker 10: Wealthy people should pay more in taxes, which is weird
• 55:24
  Speaker 10: because I'd have thought that more than half of the
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: population would be wealthy by now.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Don't they keep telling us the economy's good?
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: Or is it C?
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: Citizens United was a bad court decision for the country,
• 55:34
  Speaker 9: but to be fair, some people were excluded from the
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: opinion polls, namely corporations.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Or is it D?
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: Economic inequality is a big problem in America. Even billionaires agree.
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: A conclusion they reached over dinner at that resort where
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: you hunt teachers who get to cancel their student debt
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: if they survive the weekend.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think it should be allowed. But it was
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: in the Republican tax bill, so.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: A. It's all of the above.
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: You didn't give me that choice.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't give you the choice.
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: It was sort of a trick.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: All of the above.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, you got it. Christina, you've won the game. And
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: a parachute gift card. Thank you for playing. Democrats can't
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: win with them. Actually, maybe can win without them.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Weird. Why?
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Seems like we should figure this out.
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: When we come back, our interview with Stacey Sanford.
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: She's an activist who's working to expand Medicaid in Utah. Currently,
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: she's a health policy analyst for the Utah Health Policy Project,
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: which advocates on behalf of the uninsured and underserved. Please
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: welcome Stacey Sanford. Stacy, thank you so much for being
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: here with us tonight.
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: Thank you for having me.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: I want to start with your personal story because it's
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: what got you deeply involved in the issue of healthcare.
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: In 2010, you were in a car accident and you
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: couldn't go to work anymore. You lost your insurance. What happened?
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, right when I needed healthcare the most
• 57:35
  Speaker 11: is when I didn't have access to it. I had
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: a barrage of new scary symptoms that were disorienting and
• 57:41
  Speaker 11: painful and I lost my job, I lost my health insurance.
• 57:46
  Speaker 11: and realized very quickly I was not the only one
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: in that situation.
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: And so you thought you'd be eligible for Medicaid?
• 57:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 11: You know, I knew that down the road, I was
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: looking forward to the ACA 2014, that expansion would be implemented,
• 58:02
  Speaker 11: and I would finally have access to And then the
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: Supreme Court in 2012 said that it was optional. And
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: it became a real partisan dividing line. And Utah opted
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: year after year after year against it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: And how many people in Utah were in your situation
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: who fell in that Medicaid insurance gap?
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: It depends on the numbers that you look at. But
• 58:25
  Speaker 11: between 150,000 is the number that we campaigned on. And
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: so there's a lot of people in that situation. What?
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: To give people some context here, the federal government was giving,
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: as part of the Affordable Care Act, free money to
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: states like Utah to provide health insurance for the uninsured
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: in the state. And Utah, like many states with Republican governments,
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: refused that free money, which is a first in the
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: history of politics. And what reasons did the politicians in
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: Utah give for doing that?
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: There was a lot of excuses that the funding would
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: go away down the road, that the administration, a future administration,
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: would just decide that they would no longer fund it,
• 59:11
  Speaker 11: and Utah would be left holding the bag, and worried
• 59:14
  Speaker 11: about a lot of runaway cost, about people signing up
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: that wouldn't need it, or too many.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: It.
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: Was politics, right?
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: But it was ideological.
• 59:24
  Speaker 11: I mean, it comes down to an ideological divide, not
• 59:27
  Speaker 11: a financial divide.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: So let's flash forward to 2018. By this time, you're
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: working for the Utah Health Policy Project to pass the
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: Medicaid expansion through ballot initiative. Tell us about what Prop
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: 3 does and who it impacts.
• 59:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so Proposition 3 was a simple, clean Medicaid expansion
• 59:45
  Speaker 11: as called for under the Affordable Care Act. So it
• 59:49
  Speaker 11: covers up to they use the federal poverty line as
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: a marker. So it's 138% of the poverty line. But
• 59:56
  Speaker 11: in reality, that's an individual earning only up to $ 1, 400
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 11: a month.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: It's not much.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 11: And so we would expand coverage to people in that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 11: low-income bracket. And then we also provided a funding mechanism,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: which is so key that... Utahns are so compassionate. They
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: wanted to provide health care for their neighbors, but they
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 11: also voted to pay for that health care.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: So Utah isn't really a ballot initiative state, right? I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: think the last time you passed one was 2007. And
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: it's a red state, as we've discussed here. So it's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: a huge uphill battle. As you were campaigning for this,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: how did you go about convincing... Republicans in Utah to
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: support your initiative?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: I think that it comes down to a real simple
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 11: moral argument where it was an extra penny on a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 11: movie ticket is how much we were increasing the non-food
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 11: sales tax. Just a minuscule increase out of the pocketbook
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 11: of most Utahns to provide healthcare to people who desperately
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 11: need it. So elevating those personal stories, people like myself
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 11: that were disabled in everyday life, using a wheelchair, bedridden,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: but the government didn't consider me disabled enough to earn
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 11: and deserve that health care. Everybody in that income bracket
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 11: has a health care need and a health care story.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 11: And we tapped into that.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: How did you... become involved with the Utah Health Palsy Program?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: How did you become an activist on this issue?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 11: I was really excited about the ACA. I read the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 11: whole 900-page balawax.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: Which puts you ahead of a lot of members of Congress.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: Most of them. Most of them.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 11: And it started selfishly. You know, it started that I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: needed health care and I couldn't get it. And it
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 11: did not take long to realize that there were so
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 11: many other people with chronic illness and disability and kids
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 11: and horrible situations that... couldn't get the health care that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 11: they needed. And so I started hearing those stories. I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 11: started going to rallies. I started organizing rallies and meeting people.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 11: And I climbed my way up at the Utah Health
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 11: Policy Project. I started as a volunteer and then an
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: intern and part-time. And now they can't get rid of me.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: That seems like a good thing.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: So thanks to your work and many activists like yourself
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: and groups like the Utah Health Policy Project, your proposition passed.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: But now, there's a plot twist. And so.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we got to applaud for about that long.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 11: We got about five seconds to celebrate.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: So talk to me about what your state legislature and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: your government is doing.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: So....
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 11: Proposition 3 was a bridge across the coverage gap. That's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 11: what we call the people that don't have access without
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 11: Medicaid expansion is the coverage gap. So Proposition 3 was
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 11: a nice, beautiful, shiny bridge across the gap. The legislature
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 11: tore that down and built a shitty, rickety bridge that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 11: has a bunch of broken, missing planks. They're leaving people out.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: And how have they structured it? How did they specifically
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: weaken your proposal?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so they cut it down the eligibility level. So
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 11: instead of being able to earn $ 1, 400 a month, the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 11: cutoff is about $ 1, 000 a month, which leaves out about
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 11: half the people who would have been eligible. So they
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 11: can go on the Affordable Care Act, but there's a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 11: limited enrollment period. They're locked out. And then once they
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 11: get on, they still have to pay for co-pays and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 11: things like that. They also added a couple different caps.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 11: So a cap on enrollment, a limit on the number
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 11: of people who can sign up that they can decide
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 11: to implement whenever they decide it's no longer practicable to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 11: provide the care that They added a cap on the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 11: money we receive from the federal government, again, turning down
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 11: free money. But it doesn't limit the state's responsibility. So
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 11: in exchange, they're allowed to cut program, to cut services,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 11: and do a bunch of dangerous things. It's called a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 11: per capita cap. For you following along at home, that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 11: might sound familiar because they tried that in 2017 as
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 11: part of the ACA repeal. They failed through Congress, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 11: now Utah is trying to lead the charge to do
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 11: this on a state-by-state basis. And then they're adding red
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 11: tape barriers like a work reporting requirement, which among other
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 11: things requires somebody to fill out 48 job applications to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 11: get and keep their Medicaid.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: So we have seen Republican state governments... take a similar
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: response to progressive ballot initiatives that passed. You had the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: governor of Maine refusing to implement a similar Medicaid expansion.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: You have state legislature in Florida rolling back a ballot
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: proposition that expanded voting rights to ex-felons. What is the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: reaction among the people of Utah who voted for this
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: initiative to see this very explicit and cynical undermining of democracy?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 11: It's been really hard. I mean, people came out and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 11: they voted and they campaigned and they sold their Republican
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 11: neighbors and moms on this, and it's really hard. But
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: Because of the wonky process we're in, we actually have
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 11: the ball back in our court now. And we're going
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 11: through this waiver process. And so they stole our ball
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: in January, and now we have it back. And everybody
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: can submit public comment to speak out against these changes.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 11: And we've seen changes overturned in court in Arkansas and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 11: Kentucky where through legal challenge. So y'all are Utahns in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: the crowd, you at home, it doesn't matter where you are,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 11: you can go to healthpolicyproject.org and check three boxes. That
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 11: goes to the federal government, and we can use that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 11: in court to get back to where we need to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 11: be with a full Medicaid expansion.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: And for our listeners at home who are not Utahns,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: is that how you say that?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 11: Utahns, yes.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: I saw that word and I thought that was way
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: too hard to pronounce, so thank you for that. But
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: so for our listeners at home, are there ways in
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: which they can help, either by volunteering or financially supporting
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: your organization, your effort?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, healthpolicyproject.org, there's a donation thing there. But honestly,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 11: you don't have to be in Utah to comment. It's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 11: a federal issue because Utah is the first knocking on
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 11: the door. This is coming to a state near you
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 11: if Utah gets approval. This is just starting these harmful
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 11: changes nationwide. It doesn't end here.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: So last question for you. Your story of what you've
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: done here and your path to an activist is so inspiring.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: What advice would you give to people out there who
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: want to become involved in their communities as activists to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: try to effect change?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 11: You've got to demand a seat at the table. I mean,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 11: they didn't want to listen to... I called myself the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 11: sad sick girl for so long because it felt like
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 11: it was such a pity thing. Okay, we'll listen to Stacey.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 11: She's sad and pathetic. But now look at me. You know,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 11: I'm in a position of power now. I have the mic. And...
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 11: If we're going to create any kind of effective health policy,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 11: it has to begin, end, and center around sick people,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: and disabled people, and people who have healthcare needs. And
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: any other issue, immigration has to center on immigrants, and
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  Speaker 11: racial issues need to focus on people of color, and
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  Speaker 11: we need to make sure that you get yourself a
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  Speaker 11: seat at the table so that your voice can be
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  Speaker 11: heard on these important issues.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that was perfectly said. Stacy, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 7: Please give it up for Stacy.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you so much, Salt Lake City. You guys were fantastic.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you, Stacy Stanford, for joining us. We'll come back
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  Speaker 9: to Utah soon.
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  Speaker 4: We love you guys. Thank you.