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Ep. 264. Interview with comic creator, Kyle Goodman! · Vigilante Vibes Podcast

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Hello to all the comic fans, Marvel geeks and all the nerds
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in between. Welcome to another episode of
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the Vigilante Vibes podcast where we talk all things Marvel
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and other parts of nerd culture like comics and movies without
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the toxicity that's taken up way too much space in each and every
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fandom. I'm your host Megan Nicole and
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today I am so very pleased to introduce a very special guest.
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Today I am joined by the incredible writer of Here Walks
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Monsters Comics and the Co host of the very entertaining comic
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book podcast Planet Nerd tween Kyle Goodman.
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Hi, thank you for having me. Thank you for coming on.
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I'm very excited for this because I read the first two
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issues of Here Comes Monsters, Here Walks Monsters, and I'm not
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even a horror kind of person, but I was hooked.
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You had me there. I, I, I, I take that as such a
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huge compliment. I, I really try to make it.
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While it is very much a horror zombie story, I wanted to appeal
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to a large base of readers. Like my, my mom reads it and she
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hates zombie stuff and she's like, this is really good.
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I'm like, that means so much because you don't have a lot of
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a lot of people will just like me.
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I'll I could watch a horrible zombie movie and still be very
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entertained. It could be like the like worst
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zombie movie of all time. And I'm still like, yeah,
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zombies. But if you're not into zombies
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or or horror in general to still be interested in a horror title,
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I mean that's better. Praise can't be had.
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I mean that that's I I enjoy like to me that one of the best
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comments I've received so far. Thank you.
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That's so endearing. Also that your mom loves.
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It that's so sweet. And.
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You know, it's really funny. Like we joke all the time
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because, you know, when I was growing up, I was always into
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comic books, into like movies and all this stuff.
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And she always used to joke that, like, you spend so much
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time doing that, it's not like it's ever going to amount to
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anything. And now I kind of give her like
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amounts to nothing and she's like, all right, fine and always
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worth it. You were right, whatever.
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And I give her crap because it like like Pokémon too, like the
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cards and stuff like that. I was like, listen, we got to
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hold these cause one day they'll be worth a lot.
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Like no, no, no they won't. It's whatever.
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It's just a little piece of paper now.
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It's like, see Ma, if you knew where that binder was with those
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3 Charizard, we could retire tomorrow.
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I've had the same thought. I've had the same conversation
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with my mother, who when she when I was younger, I was like,
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why do we keep buying these packs of Pokémon cards?
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They don't. What are what are they going to
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do? Just litter your floor?
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And now I'm like, mom, we had binders and binders.
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We would be rich. We would be eating the rich.
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We'd be everything right now. And she just prefers not to
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speak about it. I don't know what you're talking
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about. He's.
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Like they're around here somewhere.
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Like, no, they're not. You know they're not.
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You know you threw them away. Exactly.
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That's why I swear that I would. I never would throw them out,
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she says. I'm like, well, we can't find
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them, so someone took them or throw them away out.
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Listen, I've gone through all the storage units, I've gone
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through all the attics. I haven't found them yet because
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believe me, I went looking. I think we all did because we
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were like, I'm sick of working. This is my last resort.
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It's. Like you know how easily we
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could retire if we had one of because I I know joke when I
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tell you Pokémon. I had three charizards, the
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least 2 blastoises and all from the first the the the first
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wave. Like not even the second
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edition, not the jungle packs. No no no the first, the OG.
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Like I had Alakazam mute, I had them all at the ancient muse.
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Oh my God I had like 6 of them. I don't know where they are now.
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But you know what they They sure as hell kept those Beanie Babies
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that they swore would be their retirement.
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OK, I I can't really talk because I have a box full of
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beanie babies that I thought was going to help me retire.
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I I've got 2 Princess Diana bears.
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I have them too. I'm like, I have them.
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And I was like, why were you so selective though?
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Why them? Well.
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Because they're so cute. Now my kids play with them like
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that could be millions of dollars in your hands.
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You know, 20 years ago if I would have just sold them when
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they were hot, I'd be able to retire right now because at one
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point those things are worth twenty $30,000.
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Like I I was sure it would be a million by now.
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That's one of those big ones I was wrong about apparently.
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Weren't we all, though? Now it's like the weirdest
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things are the things that that are worth money.
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Like they said the orange VHS for Rugrats is worth a bit butt
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ton of money and I'm like but I had that.
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I. Wait a minute.
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I think I wait. I I know I still have those.
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Like wait. OK, what's when we're done with
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this interview? The first thing I'm doing is
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running out there to my drawer of VH s S You know, it's funny,
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though, when it comes to things like that, like sometimes just
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having it isn't enough. Like you have to have, you know,
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the right person to get into the right auction to make sure,
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because I've got a lot of those black diamond Disney still in
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the it's still in the packaging. But if I don't find the right
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vendor to bring it to like Pristine and get them to get all
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those rich people to bid on it, it's it's worth nothing but the
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paperweight it is now. It's so true.
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And then they add so many stipulations, like they move the
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goal posts. So like, it still has to be
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wrapped in plastic. It cannot be opened.
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It has to do this and this. And it's like, you know what?
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You just just say you don't want it.
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What are you doing? What are we doing?
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If if it being in plastic is the only thing I got some plastic
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wrap and A and A and a hair hair dryer.
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I can make it wrapped again like.
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It'll work. It might not like work, but I'll
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make it work. It'll look good though.
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But to the wrong guy, it'll look perfect, right?
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Exactly. Exactly.
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So back to the comic. As you can see on my podcast,
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it's not very linear. We just kind of go where we go.
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It's ADHD. Yeah, that's kind of how our
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podcast is too. And me and you have now kind of
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like brought ourselves to like the point where like, all right,
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we got to try not to just go everywhere.
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We can go some places, but we can't go everywhere.
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Episodes being like 2 hours long, It's like, all right, you
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know what, never mind. We need to stop doing this a
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little. Bit it's side quests, you always
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have to take a side quest to make you.
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It makes getting to the end that more memorable.
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I would agree yes side quests are the best.
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So with Here Walks Monsters, where did you get your
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inspiration from for it? Because I feel like I can pull a
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few things from it and see where it came from, but I'm not you.
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Right. Oh well.
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So when it comes to where I got inspiration for the story
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itself, I really just kind of looked around and saw a lot of
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people acting badly and getting away with it.
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And I thought to myself, how many more people would act that
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way if they can get away with it?
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And how do you tell that story? Well, it has to be in the fall
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of humanity because society would teach tells people how to
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behave. Now when how I told this story,
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I, I drew a lot from Romero. I loved all of his movies.
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Of course, The Walking Dead. I, I can't write a zombie
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apocalypse comic book without at least giving praise to what came
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before. And, and I definitely think that
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when it comes to inspiration, it's more I, it's weird that a
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lot of my inspiration comes more from movies than it does any
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particular comic 'cause I, I let look at like movies that have
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great heroes that are not always good or the movies that have a
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hero adjacent that is actually the hero.
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Like Lord of the Rings, for instance, like everyone likes to
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say, oh, Aragon's a hero. Oh, Frodo's a hero.
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No, no, no, Sam Wise Gangi is the hero of Lord of the Rings.
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That's true. And he was not corrupted by the
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ring. He was, he's the one who got it
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where it needed to be. He was always the the the true
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North star. But everyone gives credit to
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Frodo gives credit to air gun, deservedly so.
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Don't get me wrong. But truly the hero is Sam and I.
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I like stories like that or like when the the hero is not 100%
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good. Like Sons of Anarchy, for
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instance, is a huge inspiration because I mean, how you're able
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to tell a Shakespearean drama with badass bikers and and all
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they did. Sutter is just a God.
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But like Jax, for instance, the main character that show he is a
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good guy, but he does a lot of bad things.
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So is he really a good guy? I mean, you can argue in the end
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he was, but you can also argue in the end that he wasn't.
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And, and that moral ambiguity makes these really interesting
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characters. And that's, that's so for me,
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that's probably where I draw a lot of my inspirations from
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movies and TV shows like that, that have those morally Gray
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good guys or the the secret heroes, you know, those are my
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kind of stories. I have to say I'm a big fan of
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those myself. It's like the imperfect hero,
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the one that's who has good intentions but was raised in the
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worst environment. So they're working through that.
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I could see that. I I do like that very much.
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And I think it shows a lot in your comic as well, especially
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in the first one, because that one I was on the edge of my seat
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because I was like, all right, who is she?
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Who's he? Who are they?
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Why are they doing this? Oh, there's a zombie, What's
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happening? What's going to happen?
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Like the whole time? And then at the end I was like,
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what did he do to me? Well, that, that again, that is
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some really good praise right there.
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And I, I did that on purpose. I, I didn't want you to know too
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much. I wanted you to, and that's the
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first issue. I want to just kind of be in the
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world. And that's why with issue 2, I
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took the big risk on backing away from the main characters to
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introduce like the who's going to be basically the narrator
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through the rest of the book. Because I wanted to a take you
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out of the action and, and make you feel for in this world for a
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little bit with how you know when they're talking about what
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happens in issue 2 and then give you that reward at the end with
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the actual zombies at the comic book convention.
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That kind of jump started that character's journey in this
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world. And it it kind of filled out, I
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think a lot more than I even intended to do for the world
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with that second issue, because it was more just introducing
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him. And then I realized after it was
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done, I was like, wow, I did a lot of world building in there.
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Good job like. That's is like, that is
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something be very, very proud of yourself 'cause I'm always so
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impressed by people who can create something from like,
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nothing. Because it takes such a detailed
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mind to create an entire world just from one idea.
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When you were coming up with the idea, where did you start first?
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Was it the character? Was it the story?
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It was definitely. So actually it's kind of both.
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I, it was the story that initially drew me to, to make
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the, the, the, the, the story itself is what drew me to create
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the title. But I knew the second I started
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writing it that it was going to have characters that don't
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normally get their time of day in horror, especially in when
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you look at a horror movie, comic book, whatever, 9 times
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out of 10, if there's a short short male character, he's the
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butt of the joke. He, you know, he's the the Comic
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Relief or someone who get, just gets killed off real easily or
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and then we look at the other main character, an attractive
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woman. In most horror, they're probably
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just there to look pretty and die.
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Well, instead I, I knew immediately from the get go that
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I was going to make my 2 main characters though that those
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archetypes 'cause they don't get, you don't see that
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represented in the especially, especially in the horror genre.
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It's always the big tough guys that survive and it's the, you
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know, the big manly man. Well, there are other people
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that exist in this world just. Saying that is very true.
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There is the there's, to put it in Marvel terms for you folks,
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there's the Captain America's of the story.
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There's the Natasha Romanoffs of the story.
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And it's like, yeah, it's a classic trope, but I like the
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way you did it. I like that it was, first of
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all, I love that we know nothing about these people.
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I really like that because in my head I'm like thinking of this
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whole idea of them. And you don't know much about
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him, but you do know that she is noticeably older than him,
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according to these awful people you're shooting, and that he's
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younger. He has such a chip on his
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shoulder, as he should. And I really like those kind of
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dynamics because it's just so unseen.
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So I think you're doing something very, very different
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here, especially with taking the reader out of the action and
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kind of going back to the beginning, like this is where
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we're at. This is where it started.
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And we're leading that way now. I think that was a really cool,
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kind of like a whiplash feeling like, OK, he's taking me all
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over this universe and I am here for it.
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Also, it is so nerdy that second issue and I love it.
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It's not like Comic Con. This this guy's on his podcast.
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It's just so much I'm like, am I him?
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Oh God, I I my artist. I hated doing this issue because
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I put so much nerdy stuff in the background that really doesn't
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matter. Like just because I want to
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tell. I want to have like I had a a
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wizard staff because I want him to that character later have
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that in a scene and 20 issues down the road.
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Like I I put like AI had names of like on on the boxes.
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I don't know if you caught this. I had the whiskey named after
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chip from Sons of that Chip. Damn the the Scott Scotsman.
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I can't remember his name all. Of a sudden oh.
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Chips, chips. There we go.
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Not chips, chips. So his last name is the name of
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the whiskey. And then I had it on the, the
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vodka was the, the Russian mob boss at the that they put Lova.
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I had his name as, as the, as the, the vodka, like just random
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little things like that that mean nothing.
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Like the, the very last page of issue 2 before the, the
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apocalypse, the convention stuff.
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You see, when we go back to the main characters, she's actually
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tuning the dial and I had the dial set to 10.
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It's a 1003, which is the year The Walking Dead came out
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October O3, like just random little tiny things like that for
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no other reason, just because it's nerdy like I or, or like
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the you know, the the brand that Costco has Kirkland.
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I I noticed I got that. One There we go OK, cool, I.
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Was like, hey, I said I get it, see I love these little things
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'cause like I said, it takes a very detailed mind.
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You could give me a million years and 20,000 chances.
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No, I would not be able to figure all of those out, but
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it's so fun because you do. It's kind of like you're getting
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to experience the story more than just reading it.
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It's very much like with the artwork, like with a letter or
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how they get to do sound effects.
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You're giving that reader such a bigger experience than
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originally intended. So I think it makes a huge
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difference having those little things I'm.
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Going to make sure I show this clip to to my my artist be like
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see, I told you I told you no, I, I I kid Martin does a lot of
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really great work, but he's he is not used to I mean neither am
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I. This is our first and second
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issues we've ever made of any comic ever.
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So so we, we're we're very new at this.
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So it's, it's I understand. But yeah, it's that second
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issue. I, I made sure to have, I wanted
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to make it almost an entire Easter egg to itself so that
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when we come back to that character, 5 issues down the
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road, you're going to go, wait a minute, that was an issue too.
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Oh, OK, I remember that. Awesome.
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Like, and, and stuff like that. I mean, that's the rewarding a,
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a, a reader for actually paying attention and reading.
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That's that's my goal. So I, if I just know, if you
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ever read any of my books, if I make you read a lot of stuff,
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just trust me, there's going to be some awesome stuff at the end
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there. There will be a payoff, I
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promise. We also think like, besides the
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reader getting that like excitement, like, oh, I know
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that it's also kind of makes you feel closer to the writer
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because you're like, I see what he did.
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I see what he planned. Now I see it come together and I
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figured that out for myself. So I think that's really, really
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cool of you. Oh.
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That's You cannot make me blush because these are some of the
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best compliments I've had and I'll be honest, I haven't had
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many people critique it negatively.
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Which is a which is. They never will.
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They never. Will no, I've got a few people
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that absolutely would. Oh, yes, I, I have made kind of,
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I've kind of made deals with like Yessi, for instance.
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I, he, he knows if it's not good, you better tell me, 'cause
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I trust you more than I trust most people.
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So if you're not going to at least be honest with me.
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If it's something's bad, then no one's ever going to be honest.
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I keep putting out crap and I don't want to do that.
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Like there was actually so in in issue 2 when JJ, this character
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is, is doing his like big speech at the end and we have the
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wavelengths on the on the panel to breaking up the panels while
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he's talking. So you see that the multiple
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people are hearing the same thing.
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And he actually gave us a note when I had him read it, the,
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there was a little X like white lines that for the actual line
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breaks that he was like, you got to take those out, black those
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out. So the way and the, it made the
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wave feel fuller. I, I didn't, I didn't see that.
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So the fact that he was like, listen, you need to fix that.
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I'm like, oh, you're right, hold on.
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And I literally went right to him, like, we need to fix this
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and did this. And 2nd.
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I saw it. I was like, yeah, he was
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absolutely right. He was absolutely right.
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And I, I, there's a couple other people that I know 'cause
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they've, they've given me criticisms before, 'cause my,
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the 1st time I ever showed this book off to anyone, I had the
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ashcan done at Megacon. It was probably about five years
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ago. And I showed it to a whole bunch
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of people and they're like, oh, the story's cool, the arts
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awesome, but the lettering sucks.
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It, it, it's not good. Like we, we, we can barely read
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it because of the lettering and like, oh wow.
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And I'm so glad they did because I then went and found a letterer
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and he knocked it out the park. So I, I, anyone, whoever reads
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my stuff, whether you're a fan, a friend or whatever, please be
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honest with me. If you didn't like it, tell me
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why. So maybe I can make it better
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next time. Like I, I, I am a short Jewish
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man from the Bronx. I have very thick skin.
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I went to public school in the Bronx.
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They used me as the basketball. OK.
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I, I, I have very thick skin. So if you want to, if you got
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some a real genuine criticism, please send it my way because I
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will accept it and try to make it better next time.
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So I actually meant because it was so good, but I really
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appreciate, I appreciate Nancy doing.
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I like having those friends because it's when you start
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something from nothing, your friends just want to pump you
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up. They want to hype you.
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They want to be like what you're doing is amazing.
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You're meant to do this your whole life.
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And I've been there where I was like, please just tell me where
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I can change. I need constructive criticism.
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There's no way this is 100% perfect.
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Someone hurt my feelings and they they just, there was one
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person, one time that said, I think on your podcast, your
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music is too loud. And I was like, I could have
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kissed him. I could have worshipped him.
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I was like, thank you. I knew it's thank you.
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You're so nice. You know, I think the problem is
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that a lot of people can't accept criticism, even if it is
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constructive. So most people err on the side
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of caution and don't, you know, give that I think very much
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needed criticism 'cause like you said, nothing is perfect,
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period. Stop and end of statement.
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There's no discussion, nothing is perfect.
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So yeah, I, I, I relish and really appreciate people who
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have the audacity to be genuine and honest, even if it might
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hurt my feelings. 'Cause we do need that to evolve
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and get better as human beings at what we want to do.
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How are you ever going to get to where you want to be if you're
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just sitting in the same stagnant space?
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Exactly. No.
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Agreed 100%. Yeah.
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So do you have any other stories planned for the future and if
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so, are they all monster related or are you going to make a huge
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left turn into something different?
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So this is going to be my main focus for a while 'cause I, I
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want this to last quite a few issues.
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I'm, I'm aiming for at least 100.
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So I, I will admit that for a while it will just be this
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'cause that just has to be my main focus for a while.
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But no, I I have actually about four or five other books that I
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have started like the the I I call the pre production process
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where I come up with the idea and then just kind of search
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pitch it to myself. Like for instance I I want to do
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a medieval like Game of Thrones style story based on Dragons
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from different parts of the world.
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OK, when you do that, come back here 'cause I like, I freaking
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love that stuff. I made this.
22:30
That's awesome. I love Dragons.
22:32
I love it all. So when you you're coming back
22:34
here for that. Absolutely no, absolutely for
22:36
that one like I would notice that there's this like Dragons
22:38
in like lore across all over the world.
22:41
So like my idea and the only reason why I haven't really
22:43
gotten further on that is because I haven't finished
22:45
enough research for it because I want to like tailor it to like
22:49
how there's an Asian style of of dragon.
22:52
There is, you know, the the South American style of Dragons
22:57
that are so all over the world, they have different dragon
23:00
mythology and I want to like kind of turn that into like a
23:03
real thing, as if it if the legends and the stories were
23:07
real. That's kind of like where I'm
23:09
going with that. I also have an idea for this
23:12
story where so you know how the everyone says all dogs go to
23:15
heaven? Yeah.
23:17
So you notice how you ever see a dog when they're sleeping?
23:20
They're dreaming, they're running and barking.
23:23
So I have this idea to do a story where when they go to
23:26
sleep, they actually go to a different realm and they have to
23:29
fight their way back to wake up. So every time when you wake them
23:34
up, they're always like, Oh my God, oh, hi, dad.
23:37
It's because they're like, Oh my God, I'm actually back in the
23:39
real world. OK, OK, cool.
23:42
And then I want to have that be a realm and tell a story from
23:47
that. So like each issue would be a
23:49
different dog, different story, different a dream.
23:52
Well, so there'll be 1 main dog that runs through all of them as
23:56
the protector of that realm. But yes, that that that's almost
23:59
exactly the idea I was having that's.
24:01
Amazing. Oh yeah, no, I'm definitely this
24:03
is horror is just so I, I started with horror basically
24:06
because I feel that is the one area now where you can tell
24:11
really bold stories and won't automatically receive hate.
24:17
People let a lot more go in horror because it's horror.
24:21
Like it's meant to be grotesque. It's meant to be scary, it's
24:24
meant to be evil, you know, like you can touch on a lot more
24:28
darker stuff in a horrors. That's why I started there.
24:31
But no, I, I want, I want to write, I, I do stand up comedy.
24:34
So like I, I want to do like a funny, funny comic as well.
24:38
There's a lot of a lot of stuff that I'm I I have in the
24:41
pipeline that it is they're, they're percolating.
24:44
They're the percolating that they'll get there one day.
24:47
What the what don't you do? Let's see.
24:53
I don't like to go. I don't.
24:55
Besides comic book conventions and Yankee games, I don't go
24:58
outside. No, that's fair.
25:02
That's good. I think that's.
25:03
No, that's fine. My, my, my whole family has the
25:06
travel bug. They go all over the place like
25:09
my, my, my folks just got back from Australia a little while
25:11
ago. My mom, my brother went to Tokyo
25:14
and I'm just like, send pictures.
25:16
I'm good. I'm I'm totally fine here in my
25:19
apartment by myself with my dog. That's.
25:22
Exactly the same. I'm going to San Diego next
25:25
month and I have every day. I'm like, Oh my God, why am I
25:28
going to do? Why am I going to leave my
25:29
house? Why'd I do this?
25:31
And like, I hate it if I had to go to a different town, like 1
25:36
town over, it's not happening. We're not going there.
25:39
I, I, I'm actually attending a as a guest attending a super con
25:43
in Miami next month and I'm just like, it's only a couple hours
25:47
away, but I don't want to go so. Much.
25:50
My my my bed is so comfortable though.
25:54
It's like comfy pants. People smell and it's like you
25:59
got to put on a mask. You got to like, let's do this.
26:03
We got to smile us our way through.
26:04
Well, and you know, especially when you're appearing as like a,
26:07
a guest or like a, a, a personality, whether you're
26:09
going as, you know, even if you're going just as like press
26:14
or anything like that, you got to put on the I'm professional,
26:17
Hooray, I'm here and you know, and, and it's tiring.
26:22
It's so much because at the end of the day, I always find myself
26:25
like meaner after all that just because I've been holding it in
26:28
like, like for San Diego, I'm going to San Diego Comic Con for
26:31
press and I'm going to like, that's a few days at a time.
26:36
And I was like, man, I'm going to have to like preemptively
26:38
apologize to people because I'm going to be such an A hole after
26:42
I know it because you're like putting up the front all day.
26:45
You can't like someone says something stupid.
26:47
You can't say that was dumb. You just kind of got to be like,
26:51
I respect your decision. Sure, God bless you.
26:56
I, I, I completely agree. It's it's, it's, you know it.
27:02
It's not easy, but it is worth it.
27:05
Like when when you look back, like I know, I know most of the
27:09
like amazing things I think about that I've done, like I was
27:13
at I had a my I had an exclusive at New York Comic Con.
27:17
Like what? Like I'm sorry, that's not real.
27:22
No, no, no, it is. It is like I and I had to suck
27:27
it up, get on a plane, fly to New York, go, you know what I
27:30
mean? I had to do all this stuff that
27:31
I I I dreaded doing and did not enjoy doing like I when I was
27:36
there. Sure, absolutely.
27:37
I had a great time, but everything leading up to it,
27:40
everything apps just like, Oh, my God, it, it's it, it it's
27:44
very exhausting. But when you get to do things
27:47
like go to San Diego Comic Con, go to New York City Comic Con.
27:49
I mean, it's it's what we dreamed of as kids.
27:53
And now we're complaining about doing it 'cause we have to get
27:56
on. We have to put on adult clothes.
27:58
What the heck? No, this is not fair.
28:00
I did not sign up for this. You mean I have to leave my dog?
28:03
Nope. Nope.
28:04
Yeah. Second thought, second thought.
28:05
I, I, I retire. I'm not doing it.
28:07
I. I think it's exactly what you
28:09
said. Like it is the dream.
28:11
These are privileges that like I never thought I'd get.
28:14
And but it's like leading up to it, I think there's a lot of
28:17
anxiety going into it and there's a lot of, I don't know,
28:20
I don't want to go to my comfort zone.
28:22
For me. It's like, I don't want to leave
28:23
my kids. What what if something happens?
28:25
What if, what if they hate me? What, what if I come back?
28:29
They don't know who I am. It's just so many little things.
28:31
But then when you're there, you're like, fuck those kids.
28:35
Don't even I'm not a mom today. Don't talk to me.
28:38
My phone is off, thank you very much as soon.
28:42
As you get there, you're like, this is what I was meant to be.
28:44
I'm superstar. I'm amazing.
28:45
Isn't, you know, that's, that's, that's a really weird feeling
28:50
because I, I know like I, I and you can ask anyone who knows me
28:53
on a personal level, I have a very hard time giving myself
28:56
praise. I have a very hard time
28:58
accepting praise. I've gotten much better at
29:00
faking accepting it because I, I've been getting it a lot
29:04
recently. So it's been, it's like, Oh my
29:07
God, thank you so much. And then it's inside.
29:08
I'm like, they're just saying that, you know, I, I hear that
29:11
in the back of my head. But when you get to do that, the
29:17
worst part is having to go back. Like going from, I was signing
29:24
autographs all weekend at a comic book convention for the
29:27
book I wrote. And then it's back to like,
29:29
hello, this is Kyle, how can I help you?
29:30
It's like, oh God, why can't it be like that all the time?
29:36
But it, it's and the, and the reason why it's because you
29:39
can't gauge the good without the bad.
29:41
You can't, like you can't have light without dark.
29:44
It's just you can't tell the difference.
29:46
If everything's light, then then nothing's light.
29:48
You know what I mean? Like, so it, it that, that
29:53
duality is very important. And I think, you know, that's a
29:58
good thing. That everything is great all the
30:00
time. Have a fully functioning world
30:02
without an apocalypse. Speaking of.
30:05
Right, well, and and that's that's what here walks monsters
30:09
all about. Which is what you guys should
30:12
check out because if you are inspired, you're going to be
30:14
super inspired by Here Walks Monsters.
30:17
Listen, if, if I, you know what that'd be, That's something.
30:22
I, I, I have never, no one's ever said that to me.
30:24
I mean, I'm only two inches in, so why would they?
30:26
But like anyone ever tells me, like I got into comic book books
30:30
because of your book or I started writing a comic book
30:32
because of your book. I would probably cry like full
30:37
on, like, what did you say? Give me a minute.
30:44
I'm sorry. Like I, I, I don't know how I
30:46
would handle that because I, I've, I've actually said that to
30:48
people and they've kind of give me, it's almost like the really
30:53
me. Like I have a good friend, Jason
30:56
Douglas. He's a comic book writer.
30:58
He just is a regular teacher and he decided to write a book and
31:03
it got Ringo nominated. And then his second book won a
31:06
Ringo for best graphic novel last year.
31:10
And like, I told him, I was like, you know, the reason why I
31:13
started writing my comic was because I saw you and believed
31:16
in myself. And he was like, what?
31:20
Really? And I don't know if he just
31:24
maybe didn't believe me or what, but yeah, he was kind of like
31:26
taken aback. Like I, I just wrote a book.
31:29
I'm I'm glad it did that I didn't.
31:30
I didn't know that it could possibly inspire people.
31:33
But if anyone ever told me that, I'd probably would cry.
31:37
Yeah, definitely. Well, I think if you keep up the
31:40
writing quality that I've seen so far, I mean, I think you're
31:43
pretty much not far off from that.
31:46
So you should get that cry face ready well.
31:51
I'm ready for my close up, Mr. Naval.
31:53
Do you know how like celebrities, they practice their
31:56
cry face before like the Emmys or something?
32:00
That's that's your mission now you're gonna every night in the
32:03
mirror. I just need to see it like well
32:05
thank. You.
32:07
You love me. You really love me.
32:11
Thank you. Thank you for this mysterious
32:12
honor. Thank you.
32:16
No, it it, listen, if I could get if, if, if I even get
32:19
nominated for an award, even even though, and I'll be honest,
32:23
I might, I think I might deserve it, but I, I, I always,
32:28
especially since I'm self published, it comes with that
32:30
stigma right off the bat, like, oh, it's self published because
32:34
no one wanted to publish it. Well, that could be true.
32:38
I'm not pitched it to anybody. I knew right from the jump that
32:42
most publishers, unless you're an established big name, don't
32:46
even want to hear about an ongoing series if it's not a
32:49
mini series or or or or a graphic novel.
32:52
They're just not interested because they don't want to
32:55
approve something that's that far ongoing, which is completely
33:00
understandable. So in, in my case, in, in, in
33:03
some other, in in the sub publishers, it's not because no
33:06
one else wanted to publish it. It's just that we described from
33:11
the get go knew no one's going to have the same love and care
33:15
for this story as I would. So I'm going to be the boss.
33:19
I'm going to be the one who approves it.
33:20
I'm be the one who has the final say, 'cause I know especially
33:25
with this story, it's going to get dark.
33:28
And I know there's going to be a lot of people that if I was
33:32
sending it to a publisher, they'd be like, yeah, you're
33:36
going to have to tone it down this issue.
33:38
And I'm not going to do that. Because when, when a boy, when
33:41
you boil down with this here walks monsters, it should feel
33:45
like as if the zombie apocalypse happened to us, to our world,
33:49
'cause it is a version of our world that is slightly
33:52
different. So when you try to make
33:56
something that realistic, I got to go off the deep end because
34:01
people are will do that. Like if you, if you have like
34:05
there, you really look at like these, there's so many like
34:08
serial killers and mass murderers and all that.
34:11
Now with society telling them how to act, imagine if society
34:15
wasn't around. It's just going to be that much
34:18
worse and that much depraved. And now, granted, I'm not going
34:20
to make the entire story like that, but there will be some
34:24
points that a publisher will go, yeah, I don't know if we're
34:29
going to publish this issue. And I I I refuse to let that
34:32
happen. There's also other things like
34:35
like you said, you want to be your own boss, but they're I, I
34:37
never look at someone and who says they're self published and
34:40
think, oh, no one wanted it. I've never once in my life
34:43
thought that. I see it more as like being your
34:45
own boss have being in charge of your own characters, your own
34:48
story. And it's like, why wouldn't you
34:52
want to own everything you make, be in charge of this entire
34:57
world you're creating? Because I mean, what's the point
35:00
in making this comic something that comes from your soul, your
35:03
passion, just for someone to tell you, I don't like that.
35:06
No, I don't think it's going to do good.
35:08
I think you should change it. Like first of all, who are you?
35:11
Right. Well, I, I think a lot of people
35:14
go with the publisher route because it's far easier when it
35:18
comes to like when I tell you, I, every, every time I get to
35:22
the point where I have to start doing all of the like business
35:26
aspects of it, like sending it off to the printer, paying and,
35:29
and getting everything sent to people and all that stuff.
35:32
I, I always go, man, This is why people don't do this, because
35:35
it's so much work. And, and a lot of times I, I, I,
35:40
that's usually when I'm always like, you know what, I'm going
35:43
to find a publisher. That's it.
35:44
I'm not doing this for issue 3. No, I'm going to get someone
35:47
else to do all this extra work. But in the end, I, I again, I,
35:51
it comes to boils down to besides the fact that no one
35:55
wants to do an ongoing, it's I just know that there's the story
35:58
I want to tell shouldn't be compromised because it might
36:02
ruffle some people's feathers because it will.
36:05
And and that that's kind of the point.
36:07
Yeah, you're supposed to be moved by art It.
36:11
It's supposed to have some kind of impact on you, whether it's
36:15
offensive or defensive or something that inspires you, it
36:19
still has some kind of reaction. No, I couldn't have said that
36:23
better if I tried. That's beautiful.
36:28
So do you think at some point this is going to be the Kyle
36:33
universe? Like we have the Marvel
36:36
Cinematic Universe, we have the DC Universe and whatever
36:40
universe we're in there? Well, we have the Kyle universe
36:43
with a whole bunch of stories. One. 100% I I the my my biggest
36:47
issue is I can't come up with a a title for it.
36:51
Like the Kyle verse just doesn't have that that nice ring to it.
36:55
But no, pretty much every, especially all the stories that
36:59
I I told you that I was working on are all in a connecting
37:02
universe. OK, yeah.
37:06
Or even the Dragons. That's what like, my God, I
37:11
could nerd out about dragon break all day.
37:13
I think it's because the House of the Dragon was coming and I'm
37:15
just like, just in deep, man. I'm in real deep.
37:20
Listen, I, I, I definitely agree with you.
37:22
I Dragons that it's just there. It's just, you don't have to
37:27
explain it. It's Dragons, man.
37:30
And there's like so much mystery with them because you don't know
37:33
which is dinosaurs, which is dragon, because the word
37:35
dinosaur was invented to like 19 O 4.
37:37
And that's why the Bible says Dragons and not dinosaurs.
37:40
And it's like there's just so much to go off.
37:42
I need to calm down. I need to calm down.
37:45
Oh yeah, yeah. Save that for when I come back,
37:48
for when I actually write the, the the story.
37:51
Might have to get you on it as an advisor.
37:55
I might take you up on that. I don't know.
37:59
It's summertime right now. My kid isn't in school.
38:01
I have a lot going on so. My oh, listen, that that, that,
38:06
that that's on the back burner still because like I said, I
38:07
haven't done enough research yet to even start writing that.
38:10
Story. Oh I know, I'm saying like my
38:13
decision making skills are not it.
38:16
They are. They are biased.
38:20
That listen, it could be worse. It could be.
38:22
It very well could be. Because at least you know they
38:25
might be biased now, but you at least have a head on your
38:27
shoulders to realize that some people will be biased and does
38:30
not even realize it. So I've seen it.
38:33
Did you really? Really.
38:36
I think your life should be ATV show.
38:38
You're just using fortune cookies as your North star.
38:41
My Lord, have mercy. So my psychic said this and I'm
38:45
totally going to bet she said Mercury's in the retrograde so I
38:48
should buy all of her stocks. If you don't get your Pluto's in
38:52
a Gatorade mind out of here, I don't know what any of that
38:55
mean. They just, I just, I don't know.
38:59
I know I didn't sleep well. That's all I got for sleep.
39:04
What? What is that?
39:05
I think that's something I've been missing for about 25 years.
39:11
It'll catch up with you someday. Yes it will, unfortunately.
39:17
I don't know, this just might be who you are now.
39:19
You just, you're just that guy doesn't sleep really.
39:22
But I really like caffeine a lot.
39:25
I do. Yeah, I know you do.
39:30
But I, I limit myself, I, I make sure that I like if I have, I
39:33
have one energy drink Max a day, not even always every day, But
39:37
if I, if it's one day, no matter what, I, I will miss a deadline
39:43
before I let my heart explode because I had two big energy
39:46
drinks in one day. OK.
39:48
They're just so Dang good too man.
39:51
Nothing hits like an energy drink when you first open it.
39:54
And I get it, it's hard, I'm trying it off of myself.
39:57
But damn it dude. They keep making new flavors.
40:02
Hey, I, I I wouldn't know anything about that.
40:07
Look at this. If you're listening to the audio
40:11
and not watching the video, you won't know that we were just
40:15
bamboozled. Ladies and gentlemen, buy an
40:18
energy drink drinker. I'll, I'll say it.
40:20
Bamboozled. Bamboozled.
40:24
So you're you said you're going to heroes Con.
40:26
Is that which one it? Was no.
40:28
I wish I was going to Heroes Con.
40:29
That's actually happening, right?
40:31
That happened. Last, that's the one happening
40:32
yesterday. Yeah, it happened this past
40:33
weekend. No, it's Miami Super Con.
40:36
My super con. That's what it.
40:38
Was July 11th through the 12th. Great.
40:41
So are you going there with your comics?
40:43
Yes, actually we I'm going to be at the three O 5 comics and
40:47
collectibles booth with a exclusive for issue 2.
40:52
The one of the Co owners of three O 5 is an amazing artist
40:55
named Tina Michelle and she's done covers before.
40:59
You know, she's actually has done 3 covers for me so far on
41:03
different convention exclusives. But this one I was at Megacon
41:09
because I had a Jimmy Tyndall exclusive that we were selling
41:12
on on the eBay live platform on Megacon.
41:16
So of course I'm there and I got this idea.
41:19
I was like, oh, wait a minute. And I ran right to their booth
41:22
and I was like, hey, I got an idea for a cover and I was like,
41:25
so it's going to happen in Miami and there are three O 5 Miami
41:29
comics. So how about we do something
41:32
that is very Miami and has that that those Miami vice vibes to
41:39
it. And I like we're going to put
41:41
three O 5 right in the on the cover.
41:43
She's like on the cover. I'm like yes, on the cover.
41:46
And so she amazing cover when I tell you, like I regret not also
41:52
doing a a foil version of this cover because the the colors are
41:55
just so vibrant and it's just gorgeous.
41:58
It's I there's a a a plastic Flamingo laying down in the
42:03
foreground and there's just zombies running at at the the
42:06
down Flamingo thinking it's food.
42:09
And then you got like this big three O 5 Miami comics like
42:12
storefront in the background with like the the you know, the
42:16
the Corvette. I think it was a Corvette, but
42:17
the the Miami Vice style car and everything.
42:20
It's like it just has this Miami vibe to it and I'm so excited
42:24
that we got to do that. It was approved and it's off the
42:28
print. I actually got a picture from
42:30
the print shop of a couple of the covers coming off of the
42:32
printer and it sounds like, oh, that looks so good.
42:36
Oh my God, I'm so excited. But yeah, so in, in next month,
42:40
on the 11th through the 13th, you definitely want to come see.
42:45
There's only going to be 50 copies.
42:46
They're all numbered as well. So once they gone, they gone.
42:50
But yeah, it's it's crazy. I got I'm going to be at a
42:55
convention. Like Hayden Christensen is a
42:58
guest at that that convention. Rosario Dawson is a guest of
43:02
that convention. Yeah, I am.
43:05
I guess that convention. Excuse me.
43:06
No, that should not exist. Convictively, they're gonna be,
43:11
I guess, the convention. You are, you guys are.
43:15
It's you guys's. Thing we we are totally on the
43:18
same level, 100%. I mean, not even.
43:23
It's all the difference between you guys at this point.
43:26
You celebrities just drive me nuts.
43:30
Listen, I, I, I sometimes I wish I was a celebrity because it'd
43:33
be a lot easier to sell comic books.
43:36
Probably. Just say that there, there are a
43:38
lot of actors, a lot of celebrities that are now getting
43:41
into the comic book game because and, and good for them.
43:44
If they've got a story they want to and someone wants to let them
43:46
write it. By all means, do you Boo Boo.
43:48
I'm I'm not throwing shade, but it is a lot easier to decide to
43:53
write a comic book when you have 700,000 followers that you post
43:58
one post, you have 80,000 buys. It's a little bit easier than
44:02
someone like me who is doing it more for the love of the game
44:06
than because, hey, we can make some money on this.
44:09
So like, do you think Aman Vilani is going to have a
44:11
Kickstarter? No.
44:14
No, she's just going to go make it and they're going to say
44:17
thank you, you're amazing, and then she's going to go home.
44:19
Not for nothing, but if they did put it on Kickstarter they
44:22
probably would make a crap ton of money.
44:24
Like a whole bunch of. Money.
44:26
A lot of money. Like a stupid amount of money if
44:30
they. Well, like, look, look at look
44:31
at the Exquisite Corpses card game.
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Like, I backed it. I'm not, I'm not judging anyone
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who did, but it's a card game for a comic book.
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Most of the time that never happens, first of all.
44:47
And then because it is James Tynion, because it is Image
44:52
Comics. And this, A Exquisite Corpse was
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amazing. I'm not saying it wasn't, but
44:56
they raised so much money, like a stupid amount of money, which
45:02
is great because that means anyone who backed it gets more
45:05
goodies for free, which is I'm not complaining about.
45:08
But it it it's it's if I tried, if I decided tomorrow here walks
45:11
Monster can have a card game. It's not raising $250,000 no
45:15
matter how good of a promotion I do.
45:18
No, you have to sell your Beanie Babies to get that kind of
45:20
money. In in the alternate, you know
45:23
what I think in in here walks monsters, Beanie Babies are
45:25
going to be the most prized possessions in the world, worth
45:27
billions of dollars just because.
45:30
My grandchildren's children will be able to retire off these off
45:34
JJ the Beanie Baby this. Is mother how did we pull once
45:41
oh son no no we sold our beanie babies at the at the height of
45:46
beanie baby craze we never had to want for nothing the.
45:50
Age of the Beanie Babies. Oh, man, when it comes to like
45:57
stuff like that is I, I, I enjoy throwing stuff like that in here
46:01
walks monsters because like I said, it's a world like ours,
46:03
but not so like the zombie apocalypse started from a
46:08
pandemic and I had, which is very similar to our world, what
46:11
everyone thought, you know, COVID was going to be, Oh,
46:13
everyone's going to be zombies. But in in my world, when that
46:17
happened, a character looks a lot like Barack Obama was
46:21
president. Well, there was no pandemic when
46:23
Barack was president and in the real world.
46:26
So it's like subtle similarities and subtle difference.
46:30
Notice the Obama president 'cause I was like, wait a
46:33
minute, Barack, what are you doing here?
46:35
That was very, very intentional because I wanted to show from
46:38
the very beginning like this is like our world, but it's not.
46:43
It's also like just slightly off because I was like, this was not
46:46
your party, Barack, what are you?
46:49
You were not invited. Hey, well, I mean a lot, I don't
46:56
even think a lot of people even like realize some of the those
46:59
kind of overlays that I put in there to show the differences.
47:04
But hey, if, if it keeps me from getting sued because it's not
47:09
the real world and no one can mistake it for the real world
47:13
because that's basically what the the laws say.
47:16
As long as you, you know, no one can take this as a a factual
47:21
real thing, then it's it's in parity and you're, you're,
47:25
you're free to go. So we'll see there's.
47:28
Going to be some people that are like, it's not Barack.
47:31
He's white like the comics in black and white.
47:35
What are you doing? Oh my God, I didn't even think
47:38
of that. That's hilarious.
47:42
Well, that's when I saw him. I was like, nice try Kyle.
47:48
And then in my head I'm like, well, they can't sit.
47:50
He's he's white. I mean, like and Obama's dope.
47:55
So I'm like really well. Now I got to I got to remember
47:59
that that we didn't we didn't actually like change the color
48:02
of his skin. So when if he if I had my plan
48:05
with my maybe he shows up again later and I got to make sure I
48:09
make it right. Maybe there, maybe he's under a
48:11
shadow then, you know, like he just gets.
48:14
Just horrible. Lighter until his final form
48:17
comes out and it's like, Oh my God, it's it's, it's the black
48:19
president. It's the it's the president.
48:21
Oh my God, he made it. This is his evolution.
48:25
We finally get to see it. That's great.
48:28
Could be worse. That's always one of my my
48:32
favorite answers. Could be worse.
48:34
I don't, I say it too much because at some point my
48:38
husband's like this wasn't even that big of a deal.
48:41
Like what? They were just out of the sauce
48:45
you wanted. Like, are you OK?
48:47
I mean, it could be worse, you say.
48:49
I guess they could be out of both sauces I mean.
48:56
That's my kind of answer too. Exactly.
48:58
It could be worse. They could have had both the
48:59
sauces gone. Jeez, don't wish that kind of
49:02
evil on me. He's just happy.
49:05
I'm not saying this is going to ruin the tour.
49:07
He's just, I, I know he's just happy.
49:10
I'm not saying that anymore. He's not very Internet savvy, so
49:15
he doesn't like get it. He's he doesn't get it.
49:17
He's like, what? What tour?
49:21
Are you on tour? You didn't tell me.
49:25
A world tour and he just goes with it.
49:27
At this point he's like I don't OK, I married.
49:33
Her right and that's when I would hit him with the could be
49:35
worse. Could be worse, they've just not
49:38
married me. And where would you be now?
49:42
Not entertained. Exactly.
49:44
I provide that for free. Are you not entertained?
49:48
Are you not entertained? This is easily like one of the
49:51
funnest recordings I've had in so long.
49:54
I can't even under like I cannot even tell you.
49:56
This is so fun. Well, I listen, I, I, I love, I,
50:00
I, I'm, I'm normally on the other side.
50:02
I, I'm normally the one doing the interviewing because we have
50:05
a lot of guests on our show or arguing with here about a
50:08
specific point. So when I get to just be me and
50:12
not hi, I'm nerd tween. I I I do have a lot of fun, at
50:16
least I try to. You do well, you do well, But we
50:20
do have to start wrapping up. So tell our listeners all about
50:24
you. Where can they find you?
50:25
Where can they find your comics? How can they properly stalk you?
50:29
OK I I love stalkers so if you want to stalk me please feel
50:33
free. So I am my name is Kyle but on
50:36
the interwebs I am known pretty much as nerd tween.
50:40
So if you looking for my podcast, looking for my
50:43
Instagram TikTok is just nerd tween like tattooing, but for
50:45
nerds. And if you want to try to
50:50
support Here Walks monsters my baby, you can go on Instagram
50:56
Here Walks monsters comics or any of my other socials.
50:59
I'll be glad to send you the link if you're trying to catch
51:02
up with Here Walks Monsters, because issue 2 will be on
51:05
Kickstarter very soon, the latest July 1st.
51:09
I I was supposed to start it this week, but I'm trying to get
51:12
a little more people like following it before I go live on
51:17
it just so I can have that little extra oomph right out
51:20
right at the gate. But that's here walks monster.
51:23
You search that on Kickstarter, you'll see the the second issue.
51:26
But if you want to catch up, just send me ADMI will literally
51:29
give you access to the PDF for issue 1 so you can read it no
51:33
charge because I am in this for you to read my story.
51:36
I'm not in this to try to make all this money and anyone who
51:40
says they got into comics to make a buttload of cash, they're
51:43
out of their minds because that doesn't exist except for like 5
51:46
people in the industry. But yeah, I, I, I want you to
51:51
read my stuff. So if you interested, just send
51:53
me Adm. I'll be glad to give you the,
51:55
the, the access. And then if you like this
51:59
comedic style and you enjoy my rants, you can always find me
52:03
and year of the collector on planet Nerdsween.
52:06
We do a show usually every two weeks, but for the last about
52:09
this whole month, we're going every single week with
52:10
interviews with great creators and year.
52:14
I'm sorry, I promoted the the podcast.
52:16
He's going to yell at me, but it's fine.
52:17
I told him to year Yancy, you don't scare me.
52:22
You know, it's going to be funny is he's going to, he's now going
52:24
to yell at me for saying he was going to yell at me.
52:27
Out of spite. But you know he wants to.
52:30
We're ahead of your game. We love you.
52:34
We're not afraid of you, buddy. So thank you so much for
52:39
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52:46
Be sure to check in the show notes so you can find everywhere
52:49
where you can stop Kyle and he loves stalkers.
52:51
So stop to your heart's desires, you little creeps.
52:54
Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed it.
52:56
Have a marvelous night.