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16-year-old school girl KILLERS! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A seventeen year old girl
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Speaker 1: goes missing and now the bizarre facts that unfold. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a listen to the day
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Speaker 1: that Leslie pantalion disappears. Leslie Luna Pantalion's family reports her
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Speaker 1: missing just hours after she's last seen. Her mother, Victoria Pantalion,
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Speaker 1: calls Montgomery, Alabama police and an alert is issued. The
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old girl was last seen by her family
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Speaker 1: members as she left home in her mother's two thousand
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Speaker 1: and six blue Chevrolet Trailblazer. She does not return home.
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Speaker 1: The Montgomery Alabama Police Department's missing person's alert describes Leslie
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Speaker 1: Luna pantally on as having a scar on the left
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Speaker 1: side of her face, wearing a black shirt black pants. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you were just listening to Dave Mack at Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Again, thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Crime Stories. A young girl goes missing in an
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Speaker 1: all out search ensues with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again.
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Speaker 1: First of all, renowned New York defense attorney who practices
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Speaker 1: all over in multiple jurisdictions, but is joining us today
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Speaker 1: from New York, Jason Oceans. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst to
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Speaker 1: the Stars, joining me out of Beverly Hills and you
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Speaker 1: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. New star of a new hit series on
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Speaker 1: the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons. Sierra Gillespie Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter and her partner in crime Literally,
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Speaker 1: Lee Eaga, an investigative reporter with Crime Online. First to you,
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan, what can you tell me about Leslie Pantaleon
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Speaker 1: just seventeen years old? Just turned seventeen, But I swear
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Speaker 1: lye that she looks to me like she's fourteen. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she does. She looks a lot younger than her age.
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Speaker 1: Where she's wrong, We'll start with that, Okay. She is
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Speaker 1: from Montgomery, Alabama, and she was reported missing on June
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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, hearing. I know that, I know when she
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Speaker 1: was reported missing. I know the parents reporter her missing.
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Speaker 1: But I want to know who she is because don't
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Speaker 1: you agree to Joe Scott Morgan. You're a professor forensics.
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Speaker 1: If you want to find someone and you find out
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Speaker 1: what happened to them, you have to know them first.
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Speaker 1: For instance, if Jack you went missing, I first say, well,
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Speaker 1: she's here, bright and early every day to the studio.
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Speaker 1: She gets things going, she this, she that, she what
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Speaker 1: would I say? She loves to eat out. I know
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Speaker 1: her favorite restaurants. I know what she does. She's got
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Speaker 1: a bum knee, so she's not out jogging. I can
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Speaker 1: tell you that much. She was not abducted while she
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Speaker 1: was out jogging one of those push up broad jogging outfits.
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Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen. So when you know somebody, jose Scott,
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Speaker 1: you're you're better equipped to figure out where they are
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Speaker 1: and what happened to them. Yes, it's a proverbial string.
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Speaker 1: You pull on the sweater, the whole thing will come unraveled, hopefully.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what that just meant. What I
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Speaker 1: mean I want to know, is a seventeen year old
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Speaker 1: girl just turning seventeen just disappear, Yeah, off the face
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Speaker 1: of the planet. And you know, you do have to
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Speaker 1: know her habits, who she hanging out with, who's in
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Speaker 1: her tight little circle. Most people do have a tight
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Speaker 1: little circle of people that they stay in contact with
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Speaker 1: and of course we first have to start with appearance.
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Speaker 1: But you know, a big, big thing with kids nowadays
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Speaker 1: and always and has been for the past several years,
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Speaker 1: the social media. What's she posting? Who's she hanging out with?
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Speaker 1: What time are these post? Tom stamp, that's a big clue,
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Speaker 1: Jason Oshans, how old is your daughter? She'll be Nancy,
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Speaker 1: She'll be nineteen and that so she's If I were
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Speaker 1: I would hold on to eighteen. So, Jason, have you
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Speaker 1: ever looked at her cell phone? I rely on I
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Speaker 1: rely on my wife Alice to take care of old.
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Speaker 1: She looks on my cell phone right aft. I hope
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Speaker 1: you have life three sixty. I love life three sixty
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Speaker 1: because I can get a general idea of where everybody is.
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Speaker 1: The other day, I thought David was at a workout gym.
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Speaker 1: I nearly passed out and called a divorce lawyer, but
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Speaker 1: it turned out he was in the parking lot trying
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Speaker 1: to make a call in front of the gym. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I'm just Jason, wouldn't you agree with the teen girl?
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Speaker 1: You know you can find out so much by just
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Speaker 1: looking at their phone, No doubt about that. And I
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Speaker 1: will say to privacy. That it's you know, as they
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Speaker 1: get older, they're you know, become more and more independent.
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Speaker 1: You know, twins at thirteen and they're still twelve till
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Speaker 1: at nineteen, still twelve a change as well that those
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Speaker 1: teen years are coming. And I'm not asking you about
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Speaker 1: their independence. I know they think they're independent and you
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Speaker 1: have to play along with it. Talking about a missing girl, Jason,
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Speaker 1: When I'm talking about a missing girl, independence and privacy, schmivacy,
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I want to find her. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the reality is doctor Bethany Marshall. I don't really know
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Speaker 1: what's wrong when Joe Scott Morgan and Jason oceans right now,
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Speaker 1: But doctor Bethany Marshall, a teen girl lives and dies
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Speaker 1: on her cell phone. She breathes her cell phone. If
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Speaker 1: you want to know where she is, find out who
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Speaker 1: she's talking to. Like Joe Scott Morgan started to say,
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Speaker 1: that's their life, Nancy exactly. And in my practice, I'm
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Speaker 1: always talking with parents about the difference between privacy and secrecy.
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Speaker 1: Secrecy is when your teen has a whole double life
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Speaker 1: that they know you wouldn't approve of, and so they
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Speaker 1: hide it from you, like maybe a predator is communicating
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Speaker 1: with them where they're involved in some sort of drug activity.
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Speaker 1: Privacy is when they're developing their own sense of self
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Speaker 1: independent from the parents, and that line between the two
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Speaker 1: is so confusing. But let's think about this. This young girl, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: she only weighs ninety pounds. She's so beautiful. The picture
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at, she's wearing a little gray like almost
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Speaker 1: like a ski cap and like a flannel shirt. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's darling, She's innocent. The parents lend her their car,
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Speaker 1: so there's this sense disillusion of the connection between the
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Speaker 1: parents and the child, and the child being in the
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Speaker 1: parents car, and the only way they can really search
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Speaker 1: for where she is is through her social media. So
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Speaker 1: if I was a parent, I'd be all over the
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Speaker 1: social media and also the aspect of the vehicle. Sarah Gillespie,
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Speaker 1: I think, well doctor Bethany said is correct. Then the
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Speaker 1: parents say the last time they saw her, she was
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Speaker 1: borrowing them off two thousand and six blue Chevy trail
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Speaker 1: block in two thousand and six. The vehicles have a
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Speaker 1: navigation system in them, that's a great question. I don't
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Speaker 1: think they did. So we know this is in Montgomery,
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Speaker 1: the capital of Alabama, and we know that there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that live there. So is she
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Speaker 1: living in a suburb? Is she downtown in a high rise?
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Speaker 1: Where did the family live? No, So she's actually in Montgomery, Alabama,
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Speaker 1: like Propper Montgomery. So that is a very bustling area,
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Speaker 1: lots of people. And the last place that her parents
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Speaker 1: reported seeing her with Perry Streets, which is somewhat residential area,
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Speaker 1: So she's not a residential area. And her in her
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Speaker 1: mom's car and she was wearing a black shirt and
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Speaker 1: black pants. Now I know she has a scar, which
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Speaker 1: is definitely something someone would remember if her hair was
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Speaker 1: pulled back. She's got long, dark hair and it comes
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Speaker 1: down the side. I can't see how she's got it
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Speaker 1: on top because she's wearing that little gray hat that
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall's talking about. She looks like she got diamond
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Speaker 1: studs in her ears and big, big, beautiful smile. So
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Speaker 1: what happens to this girl? Where does she go? For
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Speaker 1: anybody that has information? Three three four two one five
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Speaker 1: stop three three four two one five seven eight six
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Speaker 1: seven The investigation the Search for this girl kicks off
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about Leslie
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Speaker 1: Pantalion just turned seventeen, Montgomery, Alabama. The search is all
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Speaker 1: out and then we learn this. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Jordan L. STUNSFA twelve tonight. We're following breaking news. A
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Speaker 1: death investigation is underway after a body was found in
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Speaker 1: a creek on the west side of Montgomery. According to
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Speaker 1: Montgomery Police, that body was recovered from Katoma Creek in
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Speaker 1: the area of Old Selma Road Bridge and just off
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Speaker 1: the West Boulevard. It's also about a mile and a
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Speaker 1: half north of the Montgomery Regional Airport. New video tonight
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Speaker 1: shows a large police presence of and first responders in
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Speaker 1: the area. Police tell us they got a tip from
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Speaker 1: someone in that area about a possible body in the water.
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Speaker 1: Montgomery Fire and Rescue was called in to assist eventually
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Speaker 1: recovering that person. However, not much elus is known right
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Speaker 1: now in PDCs. This is currently being treated as a
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Speaker 1: death investigation. Right now, we don't know the name or
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Speaker 1: gender of this person, and police are in the process
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Speaker 1: of figuring out what happened. That feeling that must have
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Speaker 1: come over her family while she's missing, and then suddenly
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Speaker 1: a body is found in a creek. A body is
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Speaker 1: found in a creek. Why and of course the family
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Speaker 1: is wondering is this her probably trying desperately to get
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Speaker 1: through to police to find out what they can take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Peter Albreak WKRG. Police and Montgomery are
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Speaker 1: investigating the death of a seventeen year old girl. Leslie
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Speaker 1: Luna Pantalion, was last seen June twenty fourth. Her body
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Speaker 1: was found Saturday in a creek north of Montgomery's airport,
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Speaker 1: and today an autopsy confirmed her identity. Lisa had tip
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Speaker 1: led them to the body. The body is confirmed to
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Speaker 1: be that of the seventeen year old little girl, Leslie Pantalion.
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Speaker 1: To Sierra Gillespie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Sierra,
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Speaker 1: what do we know about the discovery of her body?
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Speaker 1: Was it a jogger who called in that her body
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Speaker 1: was there? Or do we know? Nancy, We don't know
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Speaker 1: for sure who called in. We just know that police
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Speaker 1: in the area received a tip, so they're likely trying
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Speaker 1: to product the identity of this person who sent in
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Speaker 1: this tip. Are they still sticking without Lee Egan that
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Speaker 1: it was Lee Egan joining me from crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Are they still sticking with the story that it was
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Speaker 1: an anonymous tip I mean, don't police. I've call a ID.
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Speaker 1: They are still saying that it was a tipster. They're
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Speaker 1: not giving out the name of who it was, so
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Speaker 1: they're going to be anonymous at this time. So that
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Speaker 1: tells me a lot, right they're Jason Oceans. It tells
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Speaker 1: me it's somebody that's afraid to have their name attached
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Speaker 1: to this case. And that means it's someone that knows
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Speaker 1: what's going on, because you know, if I see a
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Speaker 1: car wreck, I call nine one one and have if
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Speaker 1: the police aren't already there, I don't care if they
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Speaker 1: have my phone number in my name. So why would
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Speaker 1: this person one remain anonymous when they find a dead
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Speaker 1: body face down in a creek? Jason Oceans, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you've answered the question and inaccurately. When you have nothing
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Speaker 1: to hide, the information is free flowing. You want to
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Speaker 1: be tagged for that? Yeah, sure, I saw that. Here's
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Speaker 1: my name and number, But you want to be anonymous
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Speaker 1: in that instance because clearly you know a lot more
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Speaker 1: of the backstory. It's not actually what happened straight out
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Speaker 1: to death. Investigator or professor of forensics Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, what do we know about the cause of
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Speaker 1: death and how will being submerged in water effect the determination. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up to submerged her body being submerged.
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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, she was faced down, so you know,
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Speaker 1: one of the first things that we would look for
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Speaker 1: is to see if she was drowned. Of course the
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Speaker 1: stabs of the clothing. But going to the specific cause
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Speaker 1: of death, girl was beaten to death, Nancy and stabbed.
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Speaker 1: This is a very intimate, intimate event. It indicates a
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Speaker 1: lot of rage. She was literally ripped apart and then
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Speaker 1: placed in this discarded in this area. And lots of
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Speaker 1: times when you see bodies that are in creeks, one
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Speaker 1: of the reasons they wind up there is because many
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Speaker 1: times the creeks are in kind of a depressed area.
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Speaker 1: It it gives kind of a hidden space where you
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Speaker 1: can place the body and people are not going to
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Speaker 1: think that the body is going to show up. The
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Speaker 1: problem is, though, is that the body is completely exposed
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Speaker 1: if you just stand up on the bank and you
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Speaker 1: see this. We also know Joe Scott that it was
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Speaker 1: near an airport according to Sierra Gillespie, which tells me
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Speaker 1: it could have been very likely an industrial area. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you know this is another interesting piece to this nancy.
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Speaker 1: Around these and so called industrial areas, you have a
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Speaker 1: lot of truckers that come through this area. You have
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Speaker 1: a lot of a transient population that might walk around
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Speaker 1: this area. So one of the things you might think
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Speaker 1: is that, well, is this just somebody that just randomly
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Speaker 1: picked her out of a crowd or saw her stranded
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road. Remember she was in
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Speaker 1: her parents' car, or maybe they just saw her a
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Speaker 1: burger joint or something. You know, she's seventeen years old,
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Speaker 1: she's out, she's getting some food, and then they kidnap
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Speaker 1: her and bring her to this area and do some
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Speaker 1: horrible things to her. Obviously, so you know, she's not
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Speaker 1: necessarily in a highly congested neighborhood at this moment. Tom
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Speaker 1: she's discarded. It also gives us an indication that whoever
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Speaker 1: put her body there at a knowledge of the area.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, what about the fact? Well, correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Lee, Again, I don't have any evidence that
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Speaker 1: there was any sex assault or robbery. They never mentioned
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Speaker 1: anything about a sex assault possible robbery. Yeah, where's the
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Speaker 1: car where's the mom's card? Was that recovered? Lee? Yes?
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Speaker 1: It was. So maybe she was carjacked, but you don't
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Speaker 1: have to kill her and throw her down a creek
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Speaker 1: for a carjack. Typically with a carjack, you shoot the
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Speaker 1: person or you throw them out of the car and
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Speaker 1: take the car and leave. Very rarely would you find
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Speaker 1: a carjacker killing the person then dragging their body and
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Speaker 1: throwing them in a krig and taking off in the car.
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Speaker 1: That's the whole point of a cart jack. You do
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Speaker 1: it in a hurry and you get away with the vehicle. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the death of a beautiful young girl
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Speaker 1: just turn seventeen. What more do we know about her body?
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Speaker 1: To you, Jessica Morgan, you said she was beaten horribly.
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Speaker 1: Is there a way for medical examiners to look at
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Speaker 1: the beating marks on the body and determine what type
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Speaker 1: of instrument was used to beat the victims? Such as
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Speaker 1: a baseball bat, such as a pole, such as anything
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Speaker 1: that could leave a mark. They could then be mashed
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Speaker 1: up to the instrument. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. When you have
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Speaker 1: an instrument like you know, the example I like to
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Speaker 1: use is a threaded pipe because most people can understand,
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Speaker 1: you know the area where the threads are on the
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Speaker 1: end of the pipe. If you strike somebody with this
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Speaker 1: very heavy object, it's going to leave an imprint of
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Speaker 1: those threads behind on the surf of the skin. Remember,
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Speaker 1: the skin is very elastic, it's very immaleable, and so
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Speaker 1: not only will you have a bruised area, you'll also
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Speaker 1: have an abraided area, like an abrasion like a scrape knee,
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Speaker 1: but only you'll have a specific pattern. So when you
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Speaker 1: begin to talk about like baseball bats, yeah, they will
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Speaker 1: leave a specific mark. You'll have literally what we refer
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Speaker 1: to as delineated areas. That means there is a mark
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Speaker 1: of delineation where you see all the little margins around
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Speaker 1: the edge. So you can kind of approximate the size
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Speaker 1: of the instrument that may have been used, such as
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Speaker 1: the barrel of a baseball bat, the barrel of a gun,
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Speaker 1: or maybe just a pull. You just never know, but
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Speaker 1: you can get it within the ballpark. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: what the parents went through waiting and hoping that their
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Speaker 1: daughter would be found seventeen year old Leslie Pantalion. I
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Speaker 1: want to learn from the news their daughter's body is
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Speaker 1: found face down in a creek near the airport. We
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Speaker 1: believe in an industrial area. Her the car, her mother's
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Speaker 1: car gone, her cell phone gone, No sex attack, So
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Speaker 1: why did this little girl have to die? Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, we are talking about the death and
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Speaker 1: the disappearance. I'm a seventeen year old girl friend Montgomery, Alabama,
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Speaker 1: Leslie Pantalion. What happened? Take a listen to our Dave
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Speaker 1: Mack at crime online dot com. At the home, Leslie
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Speaker 1: Pantalion got into a physical altercation with Taisha Wisenut. Afterwards, Pantalion,
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Speaker 1: Wisenutt to Nya Meryweather, Aaron Taylor, and an unnamed juvenile
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Speaker 1: boy got into Pantalion's Trailblaze or with Taylor driving. We
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Speaker 1: don't know yet if Pantalion went willingly or if she
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Speaker 1: was forced. She is reportedly in the backseat with Wisenutt
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Speaker 1: and another fight breaks out. Taylor pulled the car over
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Speaker 1: in a wooded area, where Pantalion was beaten with a
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Speaker 1: metal poll from a gate and stabbed with a pocket knife.
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Speaker 1: The four, leaving Pantalion in the wooded area, get back
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Speaker 1: into the Trailblazer and returned to Weisenut's home. Okay to
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Speaker 1: you lay again crime online dot com. These are three
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old girls. What happened, Yes, three sixteen year
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Speaker 1: old girls, and allegedly, from what an attorney said at
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Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing last week, is that supposedly someone stole
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Speaker 1: a gun from the victim and then someone told the
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Speaker 1: victim that the gun was over at Wisnot's house. So
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Speaker 1: Pantalion goes over there, looked for the gun, and at
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Speaker 1: some point an argument breaks out, and then that's when
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Speaker 1: they all end up in the trailblazer going towards the wood. So.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this was the family gun that
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Speaker 1: Leslie had, but it goes missing. Then she gets wind
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Speaker 1: that these three teen girls, who I assume she knew,
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Speaker 1: stole it because she knows where they live. She goes
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Speaker 1: over there asked them where's the gun. The next thing
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Speaker 1: you know, they lure her back in the car. Is
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Speaker 1: this her mother's car? Yes, So they get her back
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Speaker 1: in the car, these three girls, teen girls, sixteen years old,
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Speaker 1: drive her out to the woods. I know she's not
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Speaker 1: driving her mother's car. That tells me she didn't want
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Speaker 1: to get in the car. She should be driving her
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Speaker 1: mother's car, not them get her in the woods and
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Speaker 1: what ensues in the woods lee. Once they got in
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Speaker 1: the woods, one of the suspects found a metal pull
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Speaker 1: from a sense excuse me, and they proceed to beat
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Speaker 1: her so badly that her there was bones crushed all
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Speaker 1: in her face. A cause of death couldn't even be
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Speaker 1: determined because she was so badly beaten. They couldn't tell
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Speaker 1: if she was dead before they threw her in a river,
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Speaker 1: which they did later, or after. I just I don't
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Speaker 1: understand it. To doctor Bessey Marshall, you're the psychoanalyst, how
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Speaker 1: contain girls? They so evil? Nancy? I would wonder if
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Speaker 1: there was a ringleader like there seemed to be three
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Speaker 1: teen girls, and from the reports I read, there was
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Speaker 1: one girl who was more aggressive and leading the others. Now,
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Speaker 1: what's unusual about this? In all the cases we've covered
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Speaker 1: over the years, usually it's boys traveling in a packs
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Speaker 1: and being very aggressive, and it's a sociopathic male leader
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Speaker 1: who recruits vulnerable younger boys to aggress against a victim
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Speaker 1: along with him. But in this case it's girls. These
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Speaker 1: are outliers. This is not just you know Lohan and
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Speaker 1: mean girls a movie. This is murderous homicidal instincts with
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Speaker 1: three young women against a ninety pound beautiful little girls
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Speaker 1: made her so badly the bones in her face are
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Speaker 1: all broken. They can't even tell the cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Plus you have her face down in a creep for
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Speaker 1: a period of time before she's found over what listen
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Speaker 1: to Dave Matt crime online dot com. After being beaten
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Speaker 1: and stabbed, Leslie Pantalion is left in the wooded area.
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Speaker 1: The suspects drive back to Wisenha's home, where they wake
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Speaker 1: up another girl and confess to the crime. The girl
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Speaker 1: is taken to see the body. When they arrive, Pantalion
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Speaker 1: is still alive. Her feet can be seen moving. Why
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Speaker 1: isn't it allegedly tells the other suspects that she quote
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Speaker 1: needed to be taken care of unquote. Pantalion and the
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Speaker 1: pole used to beat her are loaded into the back
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Speaker 1: of the Trailblazer and driven to a creek, where the
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old and the pole were tossed in the water.
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Speaker 1: Whisna says it looked like Pantalion was trying to swim.
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Speaker 1: Sierra Gillespie, let me understand, after this severe beating, they
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Speaker 1: take they go get another girl. The girl comes and
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Speaker 1: looks at the body and then who I guess is
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Speaker 1: the quote ring leader, as doctor Bethany Marshall describes them,
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Speaker 1: that would be Taisha wisn't it says she's got to
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Speaker 1: be taken care of, which means gotten rid of. They
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Speaker 1: then throw her into the creek and she's still alive, Sierra,
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Speaker 1: She's trying to swim, Nancy. I think what the most
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Speaker 1: important takeaway from this is they left the crime scene,
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Speaker 1: went and confessed to another girl, then immediately came back
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Speaker 1: to the crime scene and this girl, Pantalion, they can
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Speaker 1: see her feet and her toes moving. They left her
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Speaker 1: for dead, but she was still fighting. So that's when
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, the so called ringleader, Wisenutt said, we
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Speaker 1: got to take care of her. Less than a mile away,
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Speaker 1: went over to a creek and that's where they threw
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Speaker 1: her body in. But she was fighting and trying to
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Speaker 1: get out, and she died right there. The cold blood
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Speaker 1: running through those girls veins and again over what listen
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Speaker 1: to Dave Matt. Seventeen year old Leslie Pantalion's disappearance reportedly
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Speaker 1: began with a gun that went missing in the spring
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Speaker 1: on June twenty fourth, she was given the address of
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Speaker 1: a person suspected to have it. Pantalion wanted it back.
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Speaker 1: Taisha Wisenutt lived at the address, although police say it's
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Speaker 1: believed that someone else took the gun. Detectives say they
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Speaker 1: believe that person was Aaron Taylor's cousin. Taylor and wise enough,
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Speaker 1: we're friends, so they all know each other. And somehow
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Speaker 1: Leslie Pantaleon gets the address of this the Devil's minions
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Speaker 1: and goes over I've been told it was a family gun,
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Speaker 1: and she knew she had to get it back. Goes
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Speaker 1: over there and she ends up dead. I mean Jason
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Speaker 1: Ocean's New York defense attorney. Under the US Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: ruling no one under eighteen can be put to death,
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Speaker 1: but the aggravating circumstances here are outrageous. They see her,
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Speaker 1: She's been beaten horribly, her face literally crushed in. This
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Speaker 1: little girl and these sixteen year old devils look down
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Speaker 1: at her and they realize she's still alive, so they
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Speaker 1: submerge her in a creek, where the poor thing tries
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Speaker 1: to swim for her life and dies. That's some cold
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Speaker 1: blood Jason Oceans and Nancy There there's no doubt about that,
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Speaker 1: you know. So that's what you've got to say. You're
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Speaker 1: the defense lawyer. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: no doubt about it, because we've got to say listened
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Speaker 1: most of the time at that point to defense attorneys.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to separate, you know, ring lead
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Speaker 1: around from whom and see if there's cooperation, and maybe
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Speaker 1: you're looking at you know, removing death penalty or a
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Speaker 1: fixed sentence of you know, twenty five or thirty years.
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Speaker 1: You're trying to bargain away years for time and cooperation
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Speaker 1: and seeing if you know the authorities or even need
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Speaker 1: your help at all. So you're in a day, don't
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Speaker 1: need any help. You know, there are forensics out the yingang.
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Speaker 1: They don't need any one of these girls to blab.
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Speaker 1: And Jason Nations, I hope you're sitting down operation cooperation Black,
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Speaker 1: don't need it, don't need it. I want them all
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Speaker 1: to get life. But I hope you're sitting down. You
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Speaker 1: may need to lay down for this. At the end,
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Speaker 1: the girl, the victim, Leslie, was saying please, She was begging,
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Speaker 1: please just take me home. You can have my truck,
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Speaker 1: just take me home. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Such
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Speaker 1: a gruesome beating of a teen girl, ninety pounds, wet, soaking, wet,
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Speaker 1: precious trying to go back and retrieve what we've been
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Speaker 1: told was a family that was stolen. She needs she
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Speaker 1: had to get that gun back. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: her parents were going to find out that it was gone,
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Speaker 1: but it was gone. So she goes to the address.
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Speaker 1: So she's been told, hasn't the gun. She gets there
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Speaker 1: and these three teen girls unleash the gates of hell
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Speaker 1: on this little girl, I mean, doctor Bethany. The little
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Speaker 1: girl was begging, look, you can take my mom's car,
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Speaker 1: you can have it, just take me home. But they
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Speaker 1: took her out into the woods and beat her so
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Speaker 1: badly that Emmy can't even tell the cause of death. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: their house still been something building up between these three
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Speaker 1: female perpetrators and the victim. Why are you trying to
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Speaker 1: make it more complicated than it is? So what if
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Speaker 1: they didn't like each other? So what if once they're
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Speaker 1: a spitball in the eighth grade, who cares? They bade
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Speaker 1: her to a pulp, They beat those delicate bones, and
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Speaker 1: they crush her teeth so badly. The Ammy couldn't tell
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Speaker 1: the cause of death bathany who cares what happened in
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Speaker 1: the fifth grade. I mean, I think you're right. I
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Speaker 1: mean I've been listening to the panel and trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out what to say about three murderous teenage girls.
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Speaker 1: The lack of empathy even you with with Lucy and
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Speaker 1: John David. From the time they're little, you teach them
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Speaker 1: to share their toys and to have empathy with other kids.
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Speaker 1: Blinding the parents are where this is going? No, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm just seeing this flies in the face of everything
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Speaker 1: we know about socializing our children and teaching them to
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Speaker 1: be kind and to have empathy. This is the polar
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Speaker 1: opposite where this is senseless, murderous rage. As a psychoanalyst,
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Speaker 1: I even hate to analyze this because it seems so
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Speaker 1: trite in the face of what happened. But they must
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Speaker 1: have envied her at some level. She's beautiful, she's lovely.
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Speaker 1: She had a family who cared, a family who who
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Speaker 1: gave her their vehicle. She was concerned about what the
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Speaker 1: parents thought about the gun that went missing. You know,
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Speaker 1: she was on a mission for her family, not to
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Speaker 1: get a gun, but to retrieve something that was maybe
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Speaker 1: a part of the memorabilia in the family and they
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Speaker 1: smashed her skull in. Maybe she had something they didn't have.
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Speaker 1: Maybe she had a better life, maybe she was more beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Behind every mean girl is envy, and this envy turned
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Speaker 1: into murderous rage. That's interesting that you said that behind
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Speaker 1: every main girl is in me to Lie Egan, Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter, what do we know? Why
29:46
Speaker 1: didn't they have to kill the girl? Well, Ncy, they
29:49
Speaker 1: are not really telling us that they have admitted that
29:53
Speaker 1: the teens have admitted to their parts in it, but
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Speaker 1: they're pointing a singer at one another. Was an aunt
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Speaker 1: as that the other team did most of the beating,
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Speaker 1: while another team says she did. They also stabber, didn't
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Speaker 1: they lay? Yes, someone stabbed her in there pointing the
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Speaker 1: finger at each other. Nobody will take responsibility for the
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Speaker 1: brutal I mean, they all say, oh, I pushed her
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Speaker 1: and then she did this, but the other person did this,
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Speaker 1: so they're not really owning up to what really happened.
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Speaker 1: This little girl survived a metal pole beating, so her
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Speaker 1: team girl attack hers, dump her in a creek to drown.
30:33
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. In a nutshell, that's an opening
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Speaker 1: statement and a closing statement right there. They dump in
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Speaker 1: a creek to drown. I don't I find it hard
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Speaker 1: to believe, Sierra, it is all this over a lost
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Speaker 1: family gun Nancy. From what it sounds like, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it could be. I mean, in order to
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Speaker 1: beat someone in this way, see that they're still alive
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Speaker 1: when you come back, and then just go of them again,
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Speaker 1: there has to be something even bigger building up here.
31:04
Speaker 1: But something I also want to point out as well
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Speaker 1: about these girls when they came back to the crime
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Speaker 1: scene and threw Leslie Pantalion into the creek. After that,
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Speaker 1: they went to McDonald to go get smoothie. You really
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Speaker 1: know how to turn the nie, don't you, Sierra Gillespie.
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Speaker 1: So after they brutally murder the little girl, they go
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Speaker 1: out for smoothies to celebrate. Take a Listen to Dave
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Speaker 1: Matt Crime online dot Com. During a combined preliminary hearing
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Speaker 1: for tonight, I'm Meriweather, Aaron Taylor, and Taisha Wisenut, all
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Speaker 1: sixteen years old. Detective Ashley Brown testifies that Leslie Pantalion
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Speaker 1: cell phone records helped link her killers to the crime.
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Speaker 1: Brown testified that during interviews with the three suspects, the
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Speaker 1: teens admitted to some things, in part corroborating details each
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Speaker 1: other said, but denied claims made by each other. Each
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Speaker 1: of the girls claimed little to no involvement in the
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Speaker 1: physical altercations with Pantalion. Taylor said Wisenut hit the victim
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Speaker 1: with the pole, while and That claims it was Taylor
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Speaker 1: that hit Pantaleon. According to the other girls, Merriweather helped
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Speaker 1: move the victim to the back of the vehicle before
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Speaker 1: she was dumped in the water. One fact that is known.
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Speaker 1: After dumping Pantaleon in the river, the group went to
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Speaker 1: McDonald's and bought smoothies at about six am. All right, Jason,
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Speaker 1: otions there you go. What's going to be the defense.
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Speaker 1: It's murdering and bating the girl breaking every bone in
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Speaker 1: her face with a metal rod certainly did not affect
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Speaker 1: their appetite. Jason, No, it clearly didn't then. And as
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Speaker 1: I reference before, sometimes the facts and circumstances leave you
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Speaker 1: as defense counsel. But with the realities of life when
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Speaker 1: many years in prison or the death penalty on the table.
32:46
Speaker 1: But as for as for this defense counsel, you know
32:51
Speaker 1: you're you're not playing with creating magic out of something.
32:56
Speaker 1: What are you saying? I don't even know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: They're just people. If it doesn't even make sense, I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you they go out to celebrate with smoothies. I
33:05
Speaker 1: understand that you're asking in defense council. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do as facts? I'm not arguing
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Speaker 1: the facts away nor create Man if I were a
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Speaker 1: defense or iveragh, thank god I never have or will be.
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Speaker 1: I trying to get us suppressed. I don't can't think
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Speaker 1: of a reason to suppress it other than it's after
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Speaker 1: the fact. Of course, we know evidence before jury Anne
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Speaker 1: after the fact can come in and be admissible. Man.
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Speaker 1: I bet they've even gone him on video. Jason just
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Speaker 1: kick But I thank you. I don't think you have
33:34
Speaker 1: much to do here. We really you're you're bargaining against
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Speaker 1: an actual trial, and you're going to try to separate
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Speaker 1: whatever you can to memory. You're dissecting evidence as it
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Speaker 1: might be, and create reasonable doubt. That's all that you
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Speaker 1: really can you have trying to get them to cooperate.
33:53
Speaker 1: First sentence, I'd say it starts here and it ends
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Speaker 1: here where the killers sell labrate with McDonald's smoothies. You
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Speaker 1: know that's not the first time McDonald's celebration post massacre
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Speaker 1: has occurred. Take a listen to Dave Mack. When detectives
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Speaker 1: located the suspects, they were living in a family compound
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Speaker 1: of camper trailers not far from the murder scene. They
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Speaker 1: were living off the grid with no running water, no electricity,
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Speaker 1: using generators for power. T J. Wiggins and his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: live in one of the travel trailers. His brother had another.
34:27
Speaker 1: With a search warrant, police found two SKS rifles, two
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Speaker 1: Mossberg shotguns, and ammunition for both in a gun safe
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Speaker 1: belonging to t. J. Wiggins. The ammunition found there, police say,
34:39
Speaker 1: was the same ammunition fired from the gun and the
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Speaker 1: murders a Smith and Weston handgun. Tracing the suspects movement
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Speaker 1: after the killings, police say the three suspects drove to McDonald's,
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Speaker 1: ordered ten double cheeseburgers, two mc chicken sandwiches, and then
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Speaker 1: went home to eat. The next morning, Robert Wiggins took
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Speaker 1: the truck he was driving to a car wash to
34:58
Speaker 1: get the road clay off. Did you hear that another
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Speaker 1: that was a triple masker after a fishing trip, and
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Speaker 1: those killers go out and celebrate with a dozen McDonald's
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Speaker 1: double cheese and two make chicken. You know what I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you that in detail, doctor Bethany Marshall, a dozen
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Speaker 1: double cheese and two make chickens, because they had to
35:20
Speaker 1: really think that through. When they were going through the
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Speaker 1: drive through, they weren't thinking about the dead victims. They
35:26
Speaker 1: were focused on what they were going to eat, just
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Speaker 1: like these ten girls were focused on which smoothie, strawberry
35:31
Speaker 1: or blueberry. They didn't give a flying fig about the
35:35
Speaker 1: dead girl. Actually, Nancy, from a forensic perspective and a
35:39
Speaker 1: psychoanalytic perspective, we look at it differently. We think that
35:43
Speaker 1: when there's a homicide, there's actually a relief phase that
35:49
Speaker 1: occurs after the homicide with the perpetrators that lasts from
35:52
Speaker 1: six to nine months, meaning they have such a severe
35:57
Speaker 1: amount of hatred towards the victim that once the victim
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Speaker 1: is gone, they are dancing on the victim's grave. Look
36:05
Speaker 1: at all the stories that you have discussed over the
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Speaker 1: years and what the perpetrators have done following let's say
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Speaker 1: a domestic homicide or a random shooting, it's not just
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Speaker 1: going to McDonald's. It's going out shopping. It's Casey Anthony
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Speaker 1: going and buying push up braws. It's dancing on a
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Speaker 1: stripper pole. It's Scott Peterson going and just dating and
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Speaker 1: dating and dating. It's all these perpetrators being so happy
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Speaker 1: when the victim is gone, all their torturous thoughts about
36:36
Speaker 1: the victim leading up, whether it's envy or you're going
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Speaker 1: to hurt me, or you're my child, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: have to support you and give you money for the
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Speaker 1: rest of your life, and hear what you have to
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Speaker 1: tell me about myself. All those horrible feelings that these
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Speaker 1: pathological perpetrators can outstand, they wipe them out in a
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Speaker 1: moment by killing the victim, and so they're so happy.
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Speaker 1: I guess that's why they go get the happy mail, right,
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Speaker 1: they're happy. You know. I've never thought about it like that,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, and it's chilling to think about it the
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Speaker 1: way you just described it. But I'm afraid you're right.
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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfolds Nancy Grace crumbs story
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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,