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Kitchen Makeovers Made Easy: Cabinet Refinishing & Refacing with Shelly’s Kitchens · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to Home in Progress, sponsored by
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  Speaker 1: Repcolite Paints and Benjamin Moore. Now, if your kitchen cabinets
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  Speaker 1: are dated, dinged, maybe just plain tired, then this episode's
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  Speaker 1: for you. We're gonna be breaking down the two fastest,
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  Speaker 1: most budget friendly paths to a fresh look in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: refinishing your cabinets and refacing them. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about what each one costs, how they differ, and how
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  Speaker 1: long you'll actually be living with out doors. I'll walk
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  Speaker 1: you through the process from that first photo based quote
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  Speaker 1: you know that you get online to color and hardware
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  Speaker 1: choices all the way to the final product. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: all through this episode is Shelley Kuiper's from Shelley's Kitchens
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  Speaker 1: and Designs, a three generation team with a dedicated spray booth,
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  Speaker 1: a robotic sprayer, a robotic sprayer pretty cool stuff that
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  Speaker 1: lays down the same film build every single time, and
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  Speaker 1: a low odor water based system that's known for incredible durability.
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  Speaker 1: If you've got an eighties or nineties oak kitchen and
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  Speaker 1: you're wondering what the grain would look like painted, or
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  Speaker 1: if you've just got a tired kitchen and you're wondering
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  Speaker 1: how good it could look, or maybe you're just thinking
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  Speaker 1: about swapping out some hard to reach base cabinets for
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  Speaker 1: deep drawers. If any of that's in your mind, stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: Shelley's got clear answers and a bunch of great tips.
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  Speaker 1: All right, with all of that in front of us,
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  Speaker 1: let's jump in. Shelley, Thanks for being.
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  Speaker 2: Here, Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's start here, you know, before we get into
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  Speaker 1: the actual work and what all of that looks like
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  Speaker 1: and what you guys do, let's just start here. How
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  Speaker 1: long have you been doing kitchen cabinets, bathroom cabinets, stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, and you know what drew you into this
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  Speaker 1: in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: We have been doing cabinets as our specialty for about
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  Speaker 2: the last fifteen years. Before that, I mean, I've been
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  Speaker 2: decorating in one way or another for a really long time.
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  Speaker 2: Started out hanging wallpaper Rupcole would give my name out
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  Speaker 2: all the time for wallpaper hanging. Went from that to painting,
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  Speaker 2: and then to doing furniture, and then I my free
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  Speaker 2: labor aka teenage boys.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, how dare they?
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  Speaker 2: They moved away and furniture was a little heavy to
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  Speaker 2: move myself. But in the meantime I had started getting
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  Speaker 2: a lot of phone calls from people saying, well, if
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  Speaker 2: you can do furniture, why can't you do my kitchen cabinets.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a nice transition. I did not need
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  Speaker 2: strong teenage boys to help me move cabinets and just
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  Speaker 2: really got into that. Ended up purchasing a spray booth
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  Speaker 2: so we could really really do things the right way,
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  Speaker 2: and last year we purchased a robotic spraying system. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm probably jumping ahead of myself.
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  Speaker 1: Then that's fine, we're going to get into all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, interesting, I mean it's not well, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into that often that we run into exactly the setup
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  Speaker 1: that you've got. You've got a pretty unique setup we do.
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  Speaker 1: So you've been doing this for quite a while. I
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  Speaker 1: know that you're in the process. I don't know much
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  Speaker 1: about it. I know you're I think you're in the
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  Speaker 1: process of painting the rain over to your daughter, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and her husband, right, yes, So what role are you
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  Speaker 1: playing in the business at this point? Are you still
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  Speaker 1: in it?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I love what I do and at
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  Speaker 2: some point I'll walk away. But I mean, I truly
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  Speaker 2: enjoy it. My role right now is I meet with
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  Speaker 2: people and they decide to proceed. I measure for counters
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  Speaker 2: if they want new counters. I help with color selection, hardware,
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  Speaker 2: all of that. I'm a people person. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, for right now, I am sticking around. Amanda
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  Speaker 2: and Jason are going to be absolutely fabulous. Jason has
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  Speaker 2: brought a whole new scope of work that we're able
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  Speaker 2: to do that we weren't able to do before. And
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  Speaker 2: they actually have three kids, so the kids help at
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  Speaker 2: the shop as well. They will load things on to
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to call it the conveyor belt for a
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  Speaker 2: robotic spraying system and it goes through there, it's all
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  Speaker 2: magically sprayed, it comes out the other end. So my
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  Speaker 2: fifteen year old granddaughter and thirteen year old grandson are
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  Speaker 2: there helping as well. So we're really three generations working
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  Speaker 2: there right now.
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  Speaker 1: But really really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about you know, refinishing. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I want to start with. Okay, refinishing process. And
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  Speaker 1: your site says, your website says, say goodbye to expensive,
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  Speaker 1: inconvenient kitchen remodels. Experience your dream kitchen quickly walk us
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  Speaker 1: through the sequence, you know, day by day if possible,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll kind of lead you through what I'm looking for,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to give people an idea for what
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  Speaker 1: this looks like. You know, that's a pretty pretty big claim.
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  Speaker 1: Experience your dream kitchen quickly, you know, say goodbye to expensive,
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  Speaker 1: inconvenient kitchen remodels. Let's talk about that, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: what does the process look like. Let's start with that
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  Speaker 1: s or quote. You know, how do we start that process?
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  Speaker 1: Gets you out, get a price and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something that we just send photo? How does
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  Speaker 1: that part work?
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  Speaker 2: I believe in keeping things really, really simple. So what
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  Speaker 2: we have done is we have a very short form
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  Speaker 2: on our website. So Dan, if you wanted your dated
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  Speaker 2: oak cabinets redone, you could get onto our website. You
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  Speaker 2: would fill out that form, name, address, phone number, how
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  Speaker 2: many doors and drawers, and a couple of pictures. Casey
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  Speaker 2: is one of my office ladies. She does all the estimating.
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  Speaker 2: So based on that information that you sent to her,
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  Speaker 2: she gives you a price for redoing your oak doors.
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  Speaker 2: If you were to say, my oak doors have arches
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  Speaker 2: on the top and their raised panel and I really
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  Speaker 2: don't like them, but you like the footprint of your kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: We can also give you a price for doing new
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  Speaker 2: custom made door and drawer fronts that are built locally. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so when you rec request a price, Casey always gives
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  Speaker 2: a price based on redoing what you have, and then
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  Speaker 2: she will include something that basically says new custom door
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  Speaker 2: and drawer fronts. This is approximately what it would be.
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  Speaker 2: So you can look at that and then say, hmmm,
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  Speaker 2: I really don't like those arches. I really don't like
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  Speaker 2: whatever I would like to pursue this, so we try
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  Speaker 2: to make it really really simple.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's that part's super simple. I don't even ary
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  Speaker 1: somebody out to the house. How quickly does that?
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  Speaker 2: Casey can usually get somebody a price within twenty four
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  Speaker 2: to forty eight working hours. So if you today is Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: if you requested a price today, chances are very very
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  Speaker 2: good you would have it before she's done working tomorrow afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so super fast. I would have an
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  Speaker 1: idea where we're at. Yep, you mentioned that you get involved,
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  Speaker 1: you know, measuring counters and stuff like that. I'm curious,
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  Speaker 1: does anybody help us with color consultations hardware? You know,
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  Speaker 1: repcol I can help people with that. I'm curious if
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  Speaker 1: you've got people that you use for that. What about
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  Speaker 1: hardware choices things like that? You can help us walk
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  Speaker 1: through some of that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked. I am actually the one I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to use you for an example again. So say
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  Speaker 2: you say you know what I'm going to stick with
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  Speaker 2: my oak doors. I have no idea what color to
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  Speaker 2: paint them, and my whole house is oak. Where do
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  Speaker 2: I stop and start? But you do watch cabinets painted.
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  Speaker 2: I come out to your house at that point with
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  Speaker 2: probably one hundred and fifty color samples. We bring those in,
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  Speaker 2: go over those with your current wall color. If you're
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  Speaker 2: keeping your counters, we want to make sure that you
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  Speaker 2: know everything flows nicely. If you were to say I
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  Speaker 2: would like new courts counters, I would come in and
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  Speaker 2: measure those, request a price. Again, when we work with
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  Speaker 2: a local company that does a fabulous you would then
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  Speaker 2: select your counters. I would come back at that point
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  Speaker 2: and help with color selection. When your project is done.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want you to look at that and think,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, my paint for my cabinets does not
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  Speaker 2: match my counter. It just doesn't work. So we really
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  Speaker 2: try hard to make sure that we do things the
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  Speaker 2: right way.
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  Speaker 1: Thing feels coated and organized well.
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  Speaker 2: And I tell people there's more color options for paint
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  Speaker 2: than there are counters, so let's pick out your counters first.
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  Speaker 1: We always tell people that too. There's an order doing
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  Speaker 1: these things, and if you follow that order, it really
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  Speaker 1: makes it simpler. It does not always simple, but so
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  Speaker 1: often people will get their paint figured out and then
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  Speaker 1: they go and now they're trying to find a couch,
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  Speaker 1: or they're trying to find carpet, or they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: find a counter And like you said, there's only so
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  Speaker 1: many options available for the countertop or the couch or
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  Speaker 1: the carpet in the style you like or whatever. Paint.
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  Speaker 2: What is there like fifty five hundred colors just in
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  Speaker 2: the Benjamin Moore line, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't even there's over three thousand. And that's and that's
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  Speaker 1: just like you said in the line itself, we can
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  Speaker 1: custom match anything. I mean, it's it's unlimited. Yes, So
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  Speaker 1: get some of these these more limited items pick first,
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  Speaker 1: and once you do that, this is up the process.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what you help them help people see, You
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  Speaker 1: would help me see I would, I wasn't already aware. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the studio with Shelley Kuiper's from Shelley's Kitchens
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  Speaker 1: and Designs. We're walking our way through kind of what
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  Speaker 1: the process would look like for having her come out
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  Speaker 1: and refinish your kitchen cabinets. We just talked about the
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  Speaker 1: quote process. You know, once we got our color picked out,
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  Speaker 1: Once we got well, once we've looked at the numbers
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  Speaker 1: and we said, hey, this looks pretty good. I want
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  Speaker 1: you out here and we get our color picked out,
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  Speaker 1: you know where do we go from there? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I know you come out. I believe you come out.
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  Speaker 1: You remove the doors and the drawers and stuff like
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  Speaker 1: that that goes to the shop. You know what happens
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  Speaker 1: with what stays in my home. Let's deal with that
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  Speaker 1: part first. Okay, the box itself, how do you get
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  Speaker 1: that painted? Is it just brushed and rolled? Do you spray?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So you would get an email about a week
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  Speaker 2: before we were going to start from handah, my other
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  Speaker 2: office lady, and she tells you the who, what when?
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  Speaker 2: Not the ware, because we know where the wear is
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  Speaker 2: it's in your kitchen, and what you need to do
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  Speaker 2: to prepare. So you have all of that. We then
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  Speaker 2: set up a time to come out and demo. I
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  Speaker 2: sometimes do that and sometimes Jason comes out and does that.
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  Speaker 2: So that just means basically taking the door and drawer
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  Speaker 2: fronts back to the shop with us so our prep
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  Speaker 2: ladies can work on those there. And I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you how all of that works. But in the home,
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  Speaker 2: it is brushed and rolled. It is the same product.
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  Speaker 2: And I know we're going to get into the product
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  Speaker 2: which is phenomenal. Our painter is phenomenal and the finish
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  Speaker 2: is wonderful. So yes, it is brushed and rolled in
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  Speaker 2: the home.
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  Speaker 1: What about smell stuff like that. It's just a water
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  Speaker 1: based product, it.
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  Speaker 2: Is, and it's amazing. People are always nervous with a
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  Speaker 2: water based product and oak. I'll just say it how
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  Speaker 2: it is. Yes, this stuff is absolutely fabulous with preventing
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  Speaker 2: any tann and bleed through, any bleed through of any kind,
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  Speaker 2: which is crazy when you think about it, because it's
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  Speaker 2: a water based product, but.
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  Speaker 1: Are water soluble and they're sucked to the surface sometimes
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  Speaker 1: by a water based coating. That's why we talk about
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  Speaker 1: using certain stain blocking primers that will steal those in
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  Speaker 1: generally oak that's varnished. A lot of the times it
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  Speaker 1: can be somewhat sealed, but that real open grain can
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  Speaker 1: really allow those tannons through. And a typical water based
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  Speaker 1: product over top of that as a tendency to sometimes
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  Speaker 1: suck that stain through and it'll get brown. You'll show
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  Speaker 1: brown stain.
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  Speaker 2: Your product is not your typical.
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  Speaker 1: Product, Yours will block its. Talking about that's why that's
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  Speaker 1: such a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: It really is there. Back in the day when we
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  Speaker 2: were using solvent based stuff, I'd almost feel bad doing it, Like,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the winter, you'd want to open a window
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  Speaker 2: or something because the smell was so bad.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what it took to block those stains.
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  Speaker 2: It did, but it doesn't anymore, and there's really one
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  Speaker 2: of our primers. I would say, it kind of smells
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  Speaker 2: like spoiled glue. It's not bad, but it's not anything
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  Speaker 2: where you feel like your lungs are shriveling up and dying.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's low VOCs. It is a water based product. It's amazing,
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  Speaker 2: truly amazing what it is able to do.
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  Speaker 1: You're using we'll talk about it in a minute, but
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  Speaker 1: you're using Envirolac. We are, all right, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: product we provide you with.
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  Speaker 2: You do very excited about that, so.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about exactly a little more about that in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, so your brush and roll the
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  Speaker 1: boxes that yeah, in my kitchen, low odor. We're not
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  Speaker 1: worried about tann and bleed or anything like that. Even
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  Speaker 1: if we've got oak. You said, the finish looks great.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same product that goes on the cabinet doors. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so that happens. Let's talk about the doors, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the drawer fronts, the doors themselves. Yes, those are at
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  Speaker 1: your shop. You mentioned the spray booth, you mentioned robots.
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  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely pumped about this idea. I know that I
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  Speaker 1: can promise you what's in my head is probably not
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  Speaker 1: the reality, but I'd love it to be that reality.
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  Speaker 1: But let's talk about that spray booth and robots. What's
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  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me talk about my prep ladies first, because
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  Speaker 2: they are phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and we don't want to diss them. Also, let's
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  Speaker 1: don't let's.
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  Speaker 2: They do talk a lot, and I do have to
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  Speaker 2: laugh about it sometimes because the conversations they have are
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  Speaker 2: quite hilarious. Is it is it a weed whacker or
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  Speaker 2: is it a weed whipper?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I mean these are important questions they need to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what they'll discuss while they're working.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, among other things. So anyways, they do a fabulous
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  Speaker 2: job of prepping things, making sure that they're very very clean,
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  Speaker 2: very much ready to go, because if it's not prepped right,
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to hold up.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: From there it goes to our robotics.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just hit pause for a second, okay, and you
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  Speaker 1: can say that line one more time. If it's not prepped.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if it's not prepped well, it's the finish is
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  Speaker 2: not going to hold up.
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  Speaker 1: I know. It's something that I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people they can buy into that concept to some extent.
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  Speaker 1: But you work with this all the time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because I talk about it all the time on the show.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the time in a project,
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  Speaker 1: almost eighty five to ninety percent of the work time
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  Speaker 1: is often.
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  Speaker 2: Our biggest expense is our prep ladies. Yeah, because if
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  Speaker 2: it is not done right, it's not going to hold up.
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  Speaker 1: It's just not doesn't right. It's the foundation for everything
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  Speaker 1: that you're setting and even and if it doesn't hold up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not just oh, scrape it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and reef and fix it. If the prep is poor,
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  Speaker 1: depending on how bad it is, you can have a
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  Speaker 1: monumental struggle to get back to a good foundation and
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  Speaker 1: get it cleaned up and ready to go again.
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  Speaker 2: That is kind of a whole another story. I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you with all absolute certainty, our prep is never
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  Speaker 2: done incorrectly. These ladies do not let anything slip past them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're very, very detailed in what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: We have had numerous clients that have reached out and
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  Speaker 2: said so and so did my cabinets for me? And
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  Speaker 2: the paint is chipping. It's only been a year. What
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  Speaker 2: can you do at that point? A lot of times
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  Speaker 2: it's past the point of even being able to fix it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how do you strip an oak door with
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  Speaker 2: a raised panel and get all of that off so
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  Speaker 2: you're back to where you started and then be able
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  Speaker 2: to do it the right way? It is not worth
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  Speaker 2: it to cut corners, and we just don't cut corners.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's really good info, and that's info that everybody,
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  Speaker 1: whether you're going to hire Shelley to come out and
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  Speaker 1: do your cabinets. Just take that info. You know it's
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  Speaker 1: coming from somebody other than me. Now, yes, selling you anything, Shelley,
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  Speaker 1: You're not selling them anything. You're just telling them take
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  Speaker 1: the time to prep. I know. It's no fun because preppiness.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why they talk about we'd we'd whackers versus
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  Speaker 1: weed whippers.
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  Speaker 2: That is exactly why there's a bird feeder on the
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  Speaker 2: window so they can watch the bird. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 2: honestly quite hilarious listening to them. It is not an
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  Speaker 2: exciting job. Spend your life prep Well, they're special, all right,
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  Speaker 2: So do.
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  Speaker 1: The prep work. You guys do the papwork really well.
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  Speaker 1: They do a great job. Yes, once it's all prepped,
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  Speaker 1: now it hits the spray booth and then the robots
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  Speaker 1: get involved.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so, Amanda, my daughter had been spraying everything manually
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  Speaker 2: and it basically was wrecking her shoulder. She was in
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  Speaker 2: once a week for a massage to try to regain
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  Speaker 2: feeling in it. I mean, as young as she is,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want a wrecked shoulder that young. So we
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  Speaker 2: chose to invest in a robotic spring system. I will
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: say I do think I had heart failure after we
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: signed the papers and realized I had just signed my
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: life away with what it costs. However, it is magical.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: It is just I mean, I'm smiling as I think
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: about it. It has been a game changer. So it
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I call it an on ramp. You have an on
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: ramp on one end, and then it goes into the
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: actual spraying portion of it. It's got one i'm going
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to call it head that moves back and forth across it,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: and on that one head there's four different sprayers, so
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: it is hitting every little itty bitty thing. I think.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: As it goes into the actual spraying part, there's like
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: a thousand little eyes that see it and say, oh,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: this door is twenty six and a quarter by thirty
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: one and a half. So it sprays what it needs
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to spray. It's just not spraying like creepy all over it. Nope,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So you've got a video on the website. I watched
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that amazing. I heard about the robots yep, and of
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: course what I want is like the humanoid robot that
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: talks to you and moves around and brings you coffee
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: while it's sprains stuff.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: That would be nice.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Not quite that, but it is like you said it
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: almost looks like a printer head in a.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Way or something really does and what.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I noticed in that video, And I'll put a link
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: in the show notes and we'll give out your website
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and stuff so people can check this out later. But
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the overspray there isn't well, there's overspray, but it's not
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: just randomly sprayed.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: It really isn't.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So you're saving and conserving product. Yes, and it's really
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: really laser focused it is.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, after it's done spraying, it comes out
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: on the other end, we put it on a rolling rack,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: put it in our spray booth slash industrial size oven.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: We don't spray in it anymore for the most part.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: We mainly just that big spray booth.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, but now we put it in there and we
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: set it for one hundred and fifty degrees, leave it
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: in there for thirty to sixty minutes, take it back out.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: We can flip it over and do the other side.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So you're baking it innocence. Is that just to speed
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the dry time up? Is there other benefits to what
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you're doing.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: More than anything else that speeds the dry time up?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it probably makes the finish harder. But and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I know we'll get to this. The product that we use,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: we add hardener to it anyway, So considered a two
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: case system. It's the product and the harder mixed together.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it does dry it faster. It allows us
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: a quicker turnaround time with things.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Now you've got I'm assuming, I mean, of course in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that scenario, great consistency. You know you've got dust control, yes, right,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: because I know that is something we run into homeowners
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: when we're doing cabinets. I did my cabinets, sprayed them
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: in my basement once, you know, a long time ago,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and that looked great. But dust control, yes, I used
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: an oil based product one year and or one time
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that I did them, and I did them all outside.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: That was really great, except for I did it in
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: early falls, so I was getting a little bit of
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: o oh no, did not even think about that ahead
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it dry so slow when you have an oil
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: based product.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Little leaves and then sometimes little bugs and things. It
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: was really annoying. That's not even normal problems. But you're
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: way beyond that. You're not having any of that. So
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the finish has got to be immaculate when it comes off.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I will say with this product that we use in
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the owner of the company's stuff, I cannot say enough
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: good about him. He has been phenomenal.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: That's the owner of Envirolact. Okay, yeah, so let's talk
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: about that. You said it's a two K product. That
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: means there's two parts. Yes, it's hardener with it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Let me back up just to hear if I may
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you ask about the finish that comes out of the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: robotic spiring system. Amanda was phenomenal with spraying. I mean
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: she had been doing it for years. Thus the wrecked
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: shoulder with our robotic spiring system. Steph came out. He
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: helped us at the show that we went to in
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Atlanta figure out which one was going to be the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: best for us, and then once it was set up,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: he and one of his other guys came out spend
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the day, spent the day out there and helped us
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: fine tune it and calibrate it for using in Virolac.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: The finish that we get from that is so insanely good.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: You want five wet mills. When it is put on
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: and it's a robot, it is always, without fail, every
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: single solitary time. Five mills a person, regardless of how
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: good they are, and Amanda was phenomenal. They can't do that,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: They just played can't. I mean you get tired, your
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: arm SAgs, you get hot, you get crabby. Whatever. The
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: robot does not mouth off. It doesn't get crabby and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: say I'm done working, It doesn't get hot. It just
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: does its thing. And it is consistent five mili every
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: single solitary time. So it's pretty amazing.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So beautiful finish.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: It's unbeatable. It really is very very cool.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You love the product. Is there anything else? I know
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you've got videos on your website where you're taking nail
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: polish remover. You mightpen that on a door. You even
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: use a weed whipper or a weed whacker. We're still
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: not sure.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: No, it's a weed whacker.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, we've decided. I have Okay, you've decided, and you
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: use that on a sample door.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm supposed to tell you this, Okay. Jason, my
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: son in law, said, I have to tell people. It
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: was not a pansy plugin weed whacker. It was a
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: man's weed whacker. It's gas powered.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he was using a man's.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: A man's weed waad whacker.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Yes to hit this cabinet door. What are you demonstrated?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know what you're but people haven't seen that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Just how durable it is.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: It's what did you get because at first it looked
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: scarred up a little bit and then you wiped it
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: with a rag or something that came all off it did.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It was dusty. The weed whacker was dusty from being
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: used on action used. Yeah, of course it does.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: All he did was took a rag and wiped it down.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It was fine. We do the home show in Grand Rapids.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: We do the one in January and then the home
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and Garden in February, March whenever it is. And yes,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: we have a little sample door there and my granddaughter
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: cause again family business. Hm, my granddaughter is making hot
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: pink hearts on it with nail polish and we have
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: nail polish remover there and cotton balls for people to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: come by and remove the finish.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Because normally nail nail polish removers gonna oh it will
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: really damage a finish.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Waters do anything nothing on this, No, And we did
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the drawer front our sample drawer front in navy blue
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: on purpose because if you use a cotton ball with
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: nail polish remover on it, and it takes some of
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the finish off. If it was a white door, you
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: won't see it. I see it on those, but if
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it's navy blue you will. I have that same little
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: drawer front that I still carry around with me. It
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: might have a few symodges of nail polish remover on
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: it yet, but aside from that, I show it to clients,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: they would never know that we used it for two
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: weekends and did this to it. Now, I want to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: tell you another story really quick, if I may. We
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: did a project for a client like a year ago.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: She had dark gray cabinets that we did, and she
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: reached out and said that she had a can of
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: yellow Sperry paint explode in her kitchen. She sent me
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: some pictures and she just said, I don't know what
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to do. I think I'm going to need
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to have you redo them. And I said, all joking aside,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: try a nail polish remover. If it doesn't work, we
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: haven't lost anything. We still have to redo them. And
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: she emailed me back a few days later and she
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: said the nail polish remover didn't work, but I did
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: use straight acetone on it. The I know the the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: yellow spray paint is off and my cabinets look great.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, And all I said was awesome. Would you
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: leave a review for us?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I tried posting the picture on Google. It wouldn't let
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: me because the can in the background said acetone And
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: apparently Google did not like a can that said acetone.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: But who can do that with it? If that's a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: finished product and we never had to do anything, redo anything.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: All the yellow is gone. We have the pictures so
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: pretty cool.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: That's that's an amazing product. That's it. It is producked.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: So I guess we got everything painted and all of that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about you know, the you come back, you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: reinstall everything right, Yes, now we got a finished kitchen.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Once we've gotten to that point, like, what time has passed?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: What time has transpired? How long does this normally take?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: If we were going to redoce somebody's current cabinets and
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: they you Dan said yes, please, let's do this. We
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: generally start on a Monday, just simply by taking the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: doors and drawers down, we're in the house. Depending on
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the size of the project, an hour, an hour and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: a half Liza then paints, most likely that same week.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: She is freaky fast and absolutely amazing. I don't know
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: how she does it, but she does. And we get
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: more compliments on Lizza than anybody else. So she does
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: a fabulous job. So depending on the size of the project,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: she might be in your home a day. She might
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: be in your home three days the following week Wednesday, Thursday,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: or Friday. We come back and we put things back together.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: If you have done new doors, because we do with
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the custom made door and drawer fronts or new counters,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: we start a little further in advance. Your home really
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: isn't torn up. We're just getting in, getting measurements, getting
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: things going. Really the only time your home is torn apart,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and I like air quote on that because it's still
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: so usable. Sure, it's Monday from one week to Wednesday,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Thursday or Friday the following week, so.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: A couple weeks ish, but it's still usable, still usable.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: The cabinets we ask that they be emptied before Liza
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: comes to paint, just to make sure we don't get
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: anything on anything. But aside from that, your kitchen is usable.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: When somebody sprays in the home, basically they're putting a
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: hazmat suit on the kitchen, and your kitchen probably is
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: not going to be usable for three to five days,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and it costs more quite honestly, because it takes more time,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: takes more product. The way we do it, it's there's
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: an no dust, there's no anything in the house, there's
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: really no smell, and the kitchen is very usable. Even
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: when people do new counters. The company that we work with,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: they come in on the day that they're scheduled to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: install the new, they remove the old, they put the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: new in. We come back the next day, we hook
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: up the plumbing. Just because of all the things that
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: we are able to do in the contractors that we
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: have access to, it's just a very smooth process and
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: there's very little downtime for you being able to use
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: your kitchen in the process of this.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: That sounds really good because even if I do it myself,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it does take you know, that kind of time.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You know, people still run into a week's worth of work,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: maybe longer, and then you've got all of these things
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: all over your home. That was always the struggle I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: ran into is yeah, kitchen, cabinet doors. You don't realize
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: how much space that takes up when you start laying
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: them flat all over the place. Yeah, you know, drying
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: racks can help. You've got drying racks. I'm sure that
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: rolling ones to minimize the footprint. But when you're doing
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: them yourselves, you're still out a lot of time that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you can't use the kitchen exactly the way you always did.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you still can use it to some extent.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You still got all these things somewhere. My basement was
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: full of them. It can be inconvenient. It's still inconvenient.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Two weeks isn't too bad to wait through that. I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: want to get to refacing. But before I do that,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: real quick, you keep You've mentioned a couple of times,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know, either by guests or maybe we've talked about it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But my eighties Oak kitchen, my nineties Oak kitchen cabinets,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that is what I've got a lot of us have those.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about the graining, you know, how does the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: grain look in the end. Do you fill the grain
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: do you just let it go? Because sometimes that really
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: poorous grain. When you put a normal coating on that,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes you can still see some of that, and people
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: get concerned. They always ask about it, so I'm asking
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you for them.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, oak is oak. There is grain. We've had people
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: say I thought you would sand it, and I said
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: we did and it was still oak.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: There there is a sand it down.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I know, there's really no way around it. What we
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: do is one of the Envirolact primers that we use is,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: let me say it like this, an average primer is
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: going to be nineteen percent solid. So basically, once everything
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: is evaporated, nineteen percent of that gallon was solid and viralac.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's forty nine or fifty one percent, so
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more that stays on it. And the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: one seventy in Virolac primer is the primer that we
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: use when we do oak. We do do too. It's
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a primer on it. There is always still going to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: be grain. And some of these products that they say
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that you can use that will fill it, we have
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: never really found that it one hundred percent fills it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: What we do is after it's been prime twice. If
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: my prep ladies look at that and say this would
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: not fly in my house. Sometimes the oak grain looks
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like a meat tenderizer has been used on it. We
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: will take bondo and fill some of that, but we
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: don't ever fill all of it. Sure, I tell people,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you will still see the texture. There is no way
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: around it. There is no color variation. If you're doing
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Benjamin More white dove, it is all Benjamin More white dove.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: But you still see that texture. There's no way around it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And to make it make sure everybody's tracking with exactly
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. When you look at your oak cabinet
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: doors now and you see that oak grain and all
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: of that, it's a lot of that. I mean, you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: see the texture, so you see a color variation where
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: really dark in the grain and the harder wood is
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: going to be you know, a little bit lighter in
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: color with that stain. So you see a lot of
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that variation. And it really jumps out at you. Once
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it's solid coated and it's one color, a lot of that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: It doesn't go away like it's gone, but it visually
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: almost disappears it it's camouflaged. It is because I notice
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: when I get a lot of you know, a white
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: or a whatever color on oak cabinets, Yes, if you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: tilt them and look and really dig into it, you're
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: going to see that that graining, it's not going to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: go awigh, But when you stand back and look at
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: your kitchen, it's going to it's going to look great.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Whatever color you picked, you're not going to see that
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: grain jumping out at you like you did when it
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: was stained. Yes, I agree, So all right, let's talk
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: about refacing because that's a little different process. What exactly
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: is it and when is this a really great option?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: When would somebody want to jump in and do this.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: First of all, I'm going to say a lot of
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: people don't understand what refacing is, so I try to
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: look at this from their perspective. I just had a
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: gentleman stop in yesterday and we were talking and I said, well,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: here's the refacing part, and he goes, what's refacing? So
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: if you have I'm going to use oak. Again, not
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: trying to hate on oak, but just always make such
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: a good example. You have oak doors, they are not
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: full overlay, so they're just barely covering the opening. You
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: have a lot of the cabinet box portion that's exposed.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: You've got raised panels, and you have arches, but you
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: like the footprint. This is always my question for people,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: especially when we do the show if people like their
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: footprint of their kitchen and that is going to stay
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: like it is, and they just really don't care for
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the dated style of the doors and drawers, they might
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: have exposed hinges. That is when getting new door and
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: drawer fronts made could be a great option. We work
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: with a local company. They are phenomenal. There's a lot
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: of different options for the styles of doors that you
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: can get, but it really gives you a chance to
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: have a truly truly updated look because when we do this,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: we have a very full overlay. There is a tiny
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: little bit of clearance between the doors and drawers, so
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you really don't see a whole lot of the housing portion.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Most people go with some version of a shaker style.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: You now have hidden soft closing hinges. It's just a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: really good way to update it. And I know the
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: question always is, yeah, but my boxes are oak, so
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: what about those? Because the faces of them with the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: new door and drawer fronts are pretty much covered, you
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: really do. I don't see that any end caps that
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: are visible. If we prime those ones and we can
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: see that oak grain is super super heavy, we will
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: do like a quick skim coat of something on that
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: sand it and prime.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: It again just to minimize that gus.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, but it's I'm going to guess if you were
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: going to reface your kitchen with the new custom door
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and drawer fronts, new courts counters have it painted average
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: size kitchen and this is just really off the top
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: of my head, I'm going to say maybe thirteen fourteen
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars if you gutted that kitchen and replaced it
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: with the same footprint, you're probably looking at forty five
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So huge savings compared.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you think about it, now, all of
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: your cabinets are removed, your counters are gone. How long
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: is your house torn up? Do you have to do
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: new floors? Now? What if you have newer counters and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you don't want to replace your counters, But if you
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: got it, you have to replace your counters. They can't
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: reuse them. This is such a cost effective way to
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: do things, and the finish that we are able to
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: produce legitimately is better than a factory finish. I live
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: in a condo that is our condo areas five six
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: years old, some of the newer ones maybe four years old.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I have friends that have chips in their brand new
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: cabinets already. I don't have chips in mine because I
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: used in Virolac on it. So why not, I guess
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that would be my question? Why not do it that way?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: We can make modifications. If somebody has an island and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: they want it bigger, he's.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Going to ask that you can adjust that a little bit.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Sure can. Yeah, we have a contractor that we really
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: really like. We have made a point of surrounding ourselves
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: with great people.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It works really really well. You don't have to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: have them on staff. Yeah, but there you've got a
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: great network of experts that you can reach out to.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: We do, and I don't think we are any better
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: than the people that we refer. So the people the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: gentleman that we refer for modifications were very confident that
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: he's doing a great job for our clients. He's treating
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: them well, his prices are fair, et cetera. So yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: we can make modifications. We can do that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: So if I don't have a dishwasher, but I want one, and.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: There's a bank of cabinets that can come out. Usually, Yes,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: we did that for a gentleman in Kalamazoo. He's seventy
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and he said he did not want dishpan hands, he
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: needed a dishwasher.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: We put a dishwasher in for him. If people have
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: cabinets over their stove and they want a trendy hoodvent instead,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: we can do that all. Not we, but our contractor
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: that we refer. Sure, So, yes, we can do these things.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: We can make these modifications. In my own condo, I
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: had two banks of cabinets that had a drawer and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: two doors below. And at fifty nine years old, I'm
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: not in the mood to get on my hands and
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: knees and crawl into the back of that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And let's spend so much time on my hands and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: knees pawn around trying to whatever I need in there.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And I was going to ask this question, you can
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: turn those into drawers. Is that what we did?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Yep, Even in my own condo we did. It is magical.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I have I have leftover space, so everything that came
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: out of those cabinets is now in those drawers, and
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the drawers are not totally full.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine, and that I'm thinking that through now.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't just it wouldn't be an even swap. I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: would gain space. Yeah, there's a lot of air, a
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: lot of yeah, and space in my cupboards that aren't
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: getting it's not getting used. Yeah, there's in a drawer.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I can pack those babies full.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And you can pull those babies out and get to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: what you need to without getting on your hands and knees.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: That is a win win.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: That is a win win. And I'm so short that yeah,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I won't even have to bend over. It's right there. Okay,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So all kinds of different things. You answered a bunch
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of other questions that I had at the end. Here countertops,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you can help me with that, all kinds of different materials.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I mean you just you've got people you work with, right.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, we work with a local company for that. We
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: can do courts granted, Dolomite court site, all the goods.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Wonderful people that we work with do a great job.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: So yes, we can do that, all right. And you
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: would ask about hardware at one point, and I did
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: not answer that question. When I come to somebody's home
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: to help with color selection, I have lots and lots
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of hardware samples with me, so I can help people
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I owe that for a minute, just because That's another
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: one of my little things that I've I've talked about.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I love to talk about from time to time because
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I did. I painted in my kitchen cabinets. I told
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you about that. I sprayed them all, you know, these
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: long long ago. Now I got oak again in a
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: new house and I don't know, waiting for it to
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: come back in. But anyways, painted all these cabinets white. Yeah,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: abyss kind of a color. It looked great. I was
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: so happy. And because I was cheap, I put the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: old hardware back on because it was all right, you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: it was all right and they look good. But then
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: like a year later, I decided, okay, it's time to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: get rid of that brass that I run on and
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I got something that was more modern at the time.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And I was stunned at how expensive it was. You know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: all cards on the table here. It's unfately to get
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: all of that. And I was really bummed because I'm
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: really cheap, like I said, But I got them on
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and it was one of those jobs where when I
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: painted my cabinets the year before, you know, I would
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just sit in the kitchen and look at them because
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: it was such.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: A big test and how good you did.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Right when I put just the hardware on, I spent
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: almost as much time staring at the cabinets because it
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: looked brand new again. Yeah, it is amazing, long winded
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: story to get to the point. Hardware makes a tremendous.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Difference at one hundred percent does well. How I like
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: doing hardware, and I tell our clients this, but I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: always tell them as well, your house, your rules. More
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: often than not they'll just say, you just tell me
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: what you would do, you know, make all your notes,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: and then tell me. I like hardware that is very
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: proportionately sized. So we're doing a project for a client.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: She's got an island, has four drawers, four doors, and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: we're going to have six very large drawers, which she's
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: very excited about. The drawers are going to be about
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: thirty eight inches wide. When I help her select hardware,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I'll suggest twelve inch handles because it really really makes
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: a pop. I like mixing knobs and different size handles
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: for me. When I help somebody figure stuff out for hardware,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I will usually have four different sizes because a really
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: small door, really small doors over the microwave or the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: refrigerator might have a knob, or it might have a
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: three and three quarter inch handle a pantry door. For me,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: putting a knob on there says to me, I ran
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: out of money and all I could afford was a knob.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: But if you've got house, if you've got a five
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: foot pantry door or four foot, then put something like
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: eight and three quarter inch handle on it. It looks
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: so sharp when you're not scared to do that. They're
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: all the same handles, they're just different sizes, and I
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: have yet for somebody to say to me that just
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: looks weird. The husband usually will be like, hmm, okay,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: so how many sizes are we doing? And when it's done,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: they will stand back and go, you are right, to
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: which I reply, I know, because you're so humble sometimes.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: But that's good.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I know what looks really really good, and I'm never
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: going to force that on anybody. But they're happy with
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: it when it's done.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: That's really helpful because it isn't something that we do
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: a lot. That's not a thought process that probably for sure,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it's not a thought process that everybody out there thinks about.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I never thought about that. I would have just bought
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: the same sizes and I would have moved through, and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I probably I might not have even known that it
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: looked weird.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: You would probably think it looked fine, yes, until it
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: would be done the Shelly way.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: And then I would realize what I had missed out
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: on you.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Right now, I'm not sounding humble at all, but you
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: probably would have looked at that then and went, oh, okay,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, because it truly does make a difference.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So you'll help people with all of that. Yes, yeah,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: So Shelley Kuiper's from Shelley's Kitchen in Design. Let's give
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: out your information if anybody's interested. I think you made
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a good case for why they might want to get
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: a quote. Let's talk about that. First. They get the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: quote by.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Going going to our website, which is Shelley's Kitchens, and
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: there's a link right up there that says get free
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: quote here. I tell people it'll take you all of
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: maybe three minutes to do it. It's that simple.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And then you thought, within twenty four to forty eight
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: hours they've quote, they've got all of that information. What's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the service area that you'll cover.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Right now? I mean we are located in Jennison. We
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: do really anything around here. We've done lots of projects.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: In South Haven, we have done a number of projects
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Kalamazoo Shortage area, I mean Cascade eight at Tons. There
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: is one area in eight To. When I looked it up,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it was like one of those courts there was the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: north in the south. There's ten houses on it, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I think we've done eight of them. Ok.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I were talking to some decorators in Traverse City
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: because it's been requested more than once that we have
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: a presence up there. But I mean, yeah, really the
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: West Michigan area we cover that we've done. I figured
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it out the other day with little help from chat GPT.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I put some stuff in there and I said, help
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: me figure out how many jobs we've done in fifteen years.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking we've done roughly thirty six hundred kitchens.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, team of seventeen right now, and we
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: do an average of four projects a week.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you want your kitchen to be
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: one of those projects, reach out probably from what I'm here,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and the best way to reach out is to start
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: with that quote, right, So that's on your website.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: And I do call each person and that requests the
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: price a few days later and just ask what questions
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: they have that I can answer. People do and sometimes
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: they're intimidated to reach out. And I enjoy chatting with people.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: So I think you'd make it really easy and just
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of different You know, an entire package is
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: what you're presenting here, everything from helping with the color
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to getting a product that like you explained that story
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: where the spray paint, Yeah, and a spray paint blew
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: up and they were able to wash it off with
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: ace tone. Oh my goodness, that's insanity. It really is
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: still look good. So a great product. Helping with color,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: helping with hardware, you can connect people to know experts
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: who get countertops installed, make minor modifications to the kitchen,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different things all in one package. So yeah,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: what's that website? One more time?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It is Shelley so s H E L L Y
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: S kitchens dot com.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll put links to all of that in
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the show notes. You do kit you also do bathroom cabinets, right.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: We really specialize in cabinets, So anything cabinet related, yes,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: we do that. We have people we can refer for walls,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: but our niche specifically is cabinets of any sort perfect.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: So if you've got any cabinets and you want to
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: at least get a quote, just get an idea. Yes,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: if Shelley sold you on her system, her product, and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: all of that reach out, I'll put links in the
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: show notes. Shelley, thanks for being here, thank you for
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: having me, and that's going to do it for this
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: episode of Home in Progress, I want to thank Shelley
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Kiper's from Shelley's Kitchens and Designs for joining me and
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: for sharing not just you know the technical side of
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: refinishing and refacing, but also the heart of a three
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: generation family business. Now, if you've been wondering whether or
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: not your dated oak kitchen can be saved, or if
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: refacing might be a smarter path than a full remodel,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: go see what Shelley's team is doing at Shelley's Kitchens
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: dot com. I'll drop all the links in the show notes,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: including a direct link to their free quote form. Now,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: as always, this podcast is brought to you by Repcolli
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Paints and Benjamin Moore. And if you enjoyed today's episode,
• 48:03
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• 48:10
  Speaker 1: and i'll see you next time. I'm Dan Hansen. Thanks
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: for listening.