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The CFL Outsiders S02/E13 · The CFL Outsiders

• 1:10
  Hey kids!
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  Welcome back to another week of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain, as always, your 100 % unbiased, completely impartial co-host, old man, shouting at clouds.
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  This week from the regular team, we've still got GT joining us.
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  How are you doing GT?
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  I'm doing well, thank you.
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  I had a week off, so just chilling.
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  Good, good.
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  Well, I'm glad you enjoyed the time off, but we may have to do a little fisticuffs when we get into talking about the game this week.
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  there we go.
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  And MJ and MJ2 are both off gallivanting somewhere that they won't bother telling us about.
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  So we've gone for a little further into the, into the roster and joining us today is Grizz.
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  Hey there Grizz.
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  Hey, how you doing?
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  Pretty good.
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  You got anything the folks should know about you in the CFL or?
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  Not necessarily about me so much as I'm from a small Midwestern town in Alberta here and there is one small connection with my town and the CFL.
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  We recently had the first uh woman coach working with the assistant coach, anyhow, working with the Vancouver team and
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  Recently she was released along with the rest of the coaching staff when they switched over at the end of last season, but it was at least a start with women within that
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  coaching staff.
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  And it's a small tie to my town.
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  good, good yeah, we definitely want to see more of that.
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  Are you going to declare a team fandom here for yourself?
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  Oh, I'm definitely an Eskimos fan.
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  I live slightly closer to Edmonton, not by much, than Calgary, but I'm 100 % an Eskimos fan, always have been.
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  Okay then.
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  Alright.
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  well we do hold that against them, but nonetheless, you might want to, we'll talk about that later.
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  Thank
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  it's an interesting little triangle here of stamps, writers and elks.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  I said Eskimos, pardon me.
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  Yes, it's Elks.
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  I'm still old school.
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  Yeah, I get it.
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  We do try and avoid the old dead name on here if we can, but I get it.
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  It's hard to sometimes move over.
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  No problem at all.
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  We usually try and avoid sort of politics and stuff on here and just have fun, but I am starting with a rant today.
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  And the rant is kind of a...
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  politically relevant one, but I feel like I have to talk about this and one specific aspect in particular.
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  the CFL learned absolutely nothing with the whole Chad Kelly debacle.
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  And this week allowed the Winnipeg blue bombers to resign to Mario Houston, who's got the paint of domestic abuse hanging over him.
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  And.
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  We can talk about that from a bunch of different angles, but the thing that I specifically want to talk about is I'm just really saddened by the number of abuser apologists that are
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  coming online talking about things like, well, we don't really know what happened.
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  Doesn't he deserve a second chance?
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  the charges were dropped, so he was exonerated.
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  And my favorite one is.
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  You can't take away a man's livelihood over unproven allegations.
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  And all of this is just such a male-centric point of view.
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  We've shown so many times that we'll leave women in life-threatening situations rather than even dare to suggest that a man might be out of line.
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  You know, we're in a patriarchal society where
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  protecting the reputation of men is prioritized over protecting women in general.
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  And that's what bothers me about this.
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  I don't care if he was proven or not.
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  If there's any chance of it, logic, the, all the numbers tells you it's a much better chance.
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  There's something there than not.
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  And in this case, I think that it's much more about the man than the message.
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  we live in a country where
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  you
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  over a hundred women to domestic violence in Canada every year.
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  In the US it's 1,300 and they say there's over two million injured from these situations and yet we keep minimizing them and saying, it's okay, he deserves a second chance.
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  No, this is a society issue.
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  When it comes to something like this, people, the league needs to draw a line and say, you know, if you're unfairly accused or whatever, I'm sorry.
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  That is part of the price we pay to ensure that our message is strong.
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  do not put up with this.
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  Lives are at stake.
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  It's time for caring, compassionate, intelligent people to stand up.
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  And that's, that's my very serious rant this week.
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  So there we go.
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  That's out there.
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  We'll let people have a chance to sink in a bit on that before we talk about the whole situation anymore.
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  But I do feel strongly about this.
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  It's people are just so much.
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  mistaking it of being about him or one person.
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  Anyway, rant's over, I gotta stop.
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  Let's jump quickly to just as a bit of a palette cleanser to the fantasy updates.
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  I did not bad this weekend.
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  125.7.
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  Meet Ryan Ballentine out of the horsemen there.
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  He was at 103.
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  You'll appreciate this GT.
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  I beat him by using his strategy against him.
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  I mean, when it came time to make my team, I thought about what you said about choose riders.
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  And I thought, Hey, just to keep balancing the league, if you can't choose all stamps, I'll choose all riders this weekend.
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  So it was a seven man, seven man rider team that just hit at the right point.
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  I did.
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  Probably there's maybe one other week where that might've worked, but Hey, I'll take it.
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  So it's there.
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  So this week I'm up against actually the league average.
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  I'm, I'm currently sitting fourth in overall score, but seventh once they take into account wins and losses.
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  And I got to stay in the top eight to make the, the playoffs.
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  So we'll, see how that goes.
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  Do you, uh, put together a team and all?
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  Yeah, I did all right until, you know, unfortunately I decided that Drew Brown would be not only my quarterback, but my captain.
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  So that kind of took me out.
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  you know, I did have Hardy.
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  I did have a O'Latt.
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  I did have Brady who did well in the Winnipeg game.
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  I picked a couple of other,
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  lesser guys that did all right for me.
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  I still ended up with even with no quarterback, basically, I ended up with like just under 90 points.
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  So that's not too bad.
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  uh
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  get those.
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  had last year when I was playing it, I had a stretch of, I think it was four or five games where I called myself the quarterback killer.
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  Every game, every one of the games, either quarterback I picked either went out early or had one of those games like MBT had in Edmonton against, think it was Hamilton last year
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  where he's, he played the first half and still got two points.
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  So I'm happy that hasn't happened.
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  Dave, 90 is a good score with the injured quarterback in there.
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  Yeah, I wasn't.
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  Yeah, if I and I was glad I didn't pick Bo.
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  I knew this week I wasn't going to, but this was definitely the week not to pick.
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  I noticed a lot of people that did make that mistake.
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  It was, it was interesting.
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  I think in the, the 17 of us from the podcast, in the league, was checking it out and I think over half of them had bow.
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  So, I, I had been riding bow for about four weeks, so I picked the perfect time to jump off.
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  too.
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  Me too.
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  And I thought that this was the week to jump off and I did, but I just jumped onto the wrong horse again, unfortunately.
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  So there you go.
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  Whatever.
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  I had Nathan on the side and then I thought, no, no, that's going to be a low scoring game.
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  Oops.
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  Not really.
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  yeah.
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  I have a feeling a lot of us are going to be feasting on lions in the fantasy up.
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  I don't partake in the fantasy drafts at all.
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  I don't find I have time for them.
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  Yeah, well, I just started a couple weeks ago, Grizz, and it's actually more fun than I thought it would be.
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  But I do it, and then I don't look at it at all until after the weekend.
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  I don't pay attention during the games themselves, because I just want to watch the games.
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  And then after the weekend, look and see what, you know, that's OK.
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  So yeah, it's just curious.
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  I will take responsibility for corrupting the youth here and getting GT hooked on it, so you hang around here too long, who knows?
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  Yeah, possibly.
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  Like I say, it's just a time consumptions consumption for me.
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  I too much on my plate as it is.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Well, and to tell you the truth, until I started doing the podcast, I didn't bother.
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  Cause I always figured, yeah, that's nice, but it just focuses on the fancy ball carrying athletes.
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  It's got nothing to do with where the game is actually played.
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  But once I started into it, I realized, yeah, it's still fun.
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  It's a different Moving on.
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  PETA, this was a publicity stunt by PETA this week, or at least this is my opinion.
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  calls attention to the fact that there's these factory farms that really shouldn't exist.
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  I'm, you know, I'm, I will admit I'm not on board with the cruelty of the levels that some of the farming is done.
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  So I'm good with that, but I personally don't think the amount of leather that goes into footballs is going to make a big difference in, in how, how the, uh, the livestock
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  industry is managed.
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  But I thought I'd put that out there.
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  PETA came after the CFL and NFL for saying that they shouldn't be using all leather in their,
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  in their footballs and then they did have a bit of a horror story about, you know, probably conditions that maybe could be cleaned up in the slaughtering of the animals.
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  But what did you think about it?
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  I laughed, I couldn't believe it.
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  was like, the headline was on Three Down and then what in the story itself was, it actually was a quote, I thought they were just making it up.
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  Imagine the horror of the cows.
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  And I'm like, cows don't have horror.
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  I'm sorry.
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  We are the, I honestly think sometimes human beings are the smartest and dumbest animals on this planet.
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  like, why do we consistently think
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  other animals act like we do.
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  They don't.
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  We just, you know, like, sure, there's stress on other animals.
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  Other animals have to definitely, you know, have emotions, etc., etc.
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  I understand that.
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  But we cannot anamophize size or whatever that term is and carry ourselves over into this.
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  You think, I don't know, what's an example you can use?
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  You think dogs look at
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  Our cats look at mice and go, imagine the horror as I'm tearing this mouse apart.
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  You think a lion tries to be gentle on a gazelle?
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  No, they're animals.
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  They don't have the same kind of feelings.
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  So get over it.
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  You know, yes, you can clean up and there's ways to make it more humane, absolutely.
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  But the trying to bring human emotions onto other animals is a ridiculous thing, just a ridiculous thing.
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  one small question here.
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  Is it not pigskin that they use for footballs, not leather from cows?
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  Is it not pig leather they use anyhow?
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  That's a good question.
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  it's called it's called pigskin for a reason when they're like, you know, football is called a pigskin, right?
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  Is it not?
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  I've never thought about that, whether it still is or something different.
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  said it's not.
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  be made, but leather can come from many different animals and pig leather is a leather.
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  And I'm pretty sure a pigskin is, the reason it's called a pigskin is because it's made from pigskin.
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  A football is known as a pigskin, right?
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  But it's a term and I'm sure the reason being is because it's made out of pig hide.
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  Just a point of interest.
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  You make a very good point.
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  the cow population whatsoever.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  m
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  did say that the footballs are not all natural leather anymore.
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  There is some synthetic conditions to it, but it is a leather base.
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  That's a great point because I never even thought about it when they were talking because they were talking about cows in the article.
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  Anyway, yeah, if we can do stuff to make the...
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  the life less miserable for the animals that we end up eventually eating, then I'm all for that, like I said, but I think this was maybe a swing and a miss.
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  Mind you, on the other hand, we're talking about it and that's what they want, so.
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  exactly.
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  Yeah, at some point, you know, they're going to come out, somebody's going to throw a can of red paint on the field at some event, right?
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  Some game and the next thing you know, you know, it'll happen.
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  Watch.
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  So.
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  exactly.
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  Uh, the, other thing that I wanted to mention, and I don't know if there's a lot to talk about with this, but I just, I think it's enough news that bears mentioning another week
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  and two more quarterbacks down.
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  We lost Caleb Evans, the third stringer from Montreal.
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  It was out and Drew Brown went down in a bit of a fluky injury again.
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  Yeah.
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  you think their fourth stringer did okay?
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  I thought so.
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  I thought for a four stringer he looked not bad.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  announced today that Evans is out for the season with an ACL and they signed Shay Patterson.
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  So that's a fair, pretty weak room now all of a sudden, right?
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  And they got a hope that Davis Alexander comes back.
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  But I feel bad for Caleb Evans.
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  mean, he just is, you know, he's just snake bit.
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  Every time he gets a chance to prove that maybe he can be a starter, he gets injured and is out for long term.
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  This is another one where he's gone for the year.
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  and Drew Brown is not practicing this week and is probably not going to play this week.
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  And they haven't said how long that's going to be.
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  So yeah, we know what happens there with Dustin Crumb.
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  So yeah, those teams are both, that's not good for either of those teams.
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  That's for sure.
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  Yeah, they're in tough I can't even think of the name now.
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  It's completely escaping me.
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  The fourth stringer they put in?
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  Help me.
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  uh...
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  uh...
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  where do i have a written down and you just because you are but for god
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  Yeah, of course I got it written down too, but pages away.
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  It doesn't even stick with us.
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  This is how far they're into the depth charts.
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  Yeah, Evans is, oh Morgan.
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  Yeah, yeah, Josh, Josh Morgan.
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  Josh Morgan.
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  sounds about right.
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  So my point, what I was going to say is, it's, it's a considerable difference to go from a starting the room with a quarterback room that, that is Alexander MBT that you're still
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  expecting him play and Evans to Morgan Dukes and Patterson.
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  That's a, that's a downgrade.
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  Yeah, they sure are glad that they got five wins early in the year because they're going to be tough to get five more through the rest of the year if Davis Alexander doesn't come
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  back.
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  that Morgan fella had an awful arm on him though.
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  He was throwing the balls really well.
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  Yeah.
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  looked good.
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  He looked good, again, that's the way we were going to talk.
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  We talked about it during the game, but I was going to say, yeah, but anyways, yeah, yeah, that's not good for either of those teams to lose more quarterbacks.
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  Not good for the league to lose more quarterbacks.
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  but again, I don't know that you can do much more about it because in both of those cases, was certainly not much more you could have done to protect the quarterback.
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  So we'll talk about them when we get there.
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  Okay.
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  The next little bit I had here was the news that broke, that next year, the Argos will be playing home games in Winnipeg, Saskatchewan and Hamilton.
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  Yeah.
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  because the World Cup is coming in, this has been their solution.
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  personally think everybody's got other solutions and I agree there should be better ones and I think I have one, but I'll throw it to either one of you want to comment on it
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  first.
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  Why why go ahead yeah, well what I'm wondering why they don't why don't they just play in the varsity stadium in Toronto
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  Varsity Stadium at U of T is really quite small and there's no room to expand it at all.
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  It's not like other universities' stadiums on a bigger footprint.
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  It's really stuck in a corner and there's just no room to expand it.
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  So they can't do that.
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  They could go to Guleph which has a uh bigger school, a bigger footprint, and they've expanded it.
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  And in fact, they play exhibition games there.
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  And Hamilton, when they were building the new stadium in Hamilton,
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  they played an entire season at Guelph, so it could be done.
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  So it could be in Hamilton.
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  It could be in Guelph.
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  It's the whole, yeah, it's a schmozzle to begin with.
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  It's a complete schmozzle.
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  My opinion of the World Cup, it's a schmozzle.
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  These people are going crazy for something that makes absolutely zero difference.
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  You're not going to see Germany versus England.
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  You're not going to see Italy versus
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  France or Brazil versus Argentina, you're going to get in these games that we're going to get in Vancouver and Toronto, it's going to be Botswana versus Zimbabwe.
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  No one care other than this 20 people from Botswana that come and watch the game.
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  But it's ridiculous to begin with that we're spending all this money on an event.
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  That's my rant.
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  It's absolutely out.
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  rages the money that the government and we are being, and we as taxpayers are getting hooked for on this event as such.
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  It's larceny.
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  Nothing stops.
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  Having said that, the games that they have rescheduled, I don't have a problem with Toronto rescheduling their games and moving to other stadiums.
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  I don't have a problem with that at all.
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  I think it's fine.
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  But those should be neutral games.
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  The problem that I have with it is
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  They're going to Hamilton to play a home game against Hamilton.
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  They're going to Saskatchewan to play a home game against the Ryders.
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  Why isn't the game in Saskatchewan a home game against the Stampeters?
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  Why isn't the game in Winnipeg a home game against the Ryders?
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  So then it's a neutral site, and that makes sense to me.
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  But to give it to the other team makes no sense other than it
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  allows for a big crowd in Winnipeg and Saskatchewan to be able to get, because the Argos will get all the receipts for the game that day.
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  So they'll make up three times the money they do in Toronto.
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  That's really what it comes down.
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  In the meantime, Saskatchewan and Winnipeg now don't have to travel to Toronto.
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  So that's a huge advantage to them.
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  They get to play an extra home game.
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  That's a huge advantage to them.
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  It's ridiculous when they could have just had another Western team
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  come in and use it.
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  And in Hamilton, they could have had Ottawa come down and do the home game.
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  It's another 20 minutes to Hamilton for an Ottawa home game.
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  And you know, it's ludicrous.
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  It's badly done.
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  I have to agree with you on that, but on the World Cup, the stadium is going to be full regardless of em who's playing.
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  Soccer in Toronto, in southern Ontario is massive and it's massive through a lot of places.
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  There's a lot of soccer fans out there and just to have the World Cup coming into Canada is going to be pretty big.
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  And same with Vancouver.
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  the stadium will be full regardless even if it's not teams they wanted to like to see they'll still go to just to watch a World Cup game to see they went to one.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  % agree with you.
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  It's going to be stupid the entire time it's in those cities.
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  It's going to be like, but I just say it's a scam.
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  will be there for the dollar is what I'm getting at.
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  It's a scam is my point.
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  The whole whole world cop is a scam first of all and the way that they've organized this for us is a scam and the money they're going to charge is a scam and people are going to
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  fall for it left right and center.
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  yeah.
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  And, and I got, I got to say I'm, I'm kind of ambivalent to it because it, mean, other than the impacts on the CFL, it doesn't hit my life that much.
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  the thing that I will say though is what I don't get is they're, they seem to be ignoring the fact that this means that the Argos will have to be on the road for the first six,
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  seven weeks of the season, whatever it is, even though you're calling three of those games home games.
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  You're still on the road, so it's still really hard to do.
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  So why even bother doing that?
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  And why bother going to Guelph, which admittedly is great, but there's concerns, you know, what would the facilities be like for TSN to broadcast out of and all these other things?
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  Just start your season with a six game road trip.
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  Plan it and I, you know, make it as easy as you can go.
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  If you say you're going to play Ottawa three times in the season, go to Ottawa, go to Winnipeg, then come back Hamilton, Montreal.
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  Saskatchewan, Ottawa, throw a buy in.
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  You're through the first seven weeks of the season.
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  Yes, it's tough on the road, but you're going to be there anyway.
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  And then you back load the rear end with your home games.
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  So it's equal.
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  The fans get to see the number of games.
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  Everyone is, everyone is happy with that.
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  Plus if, if the Argos say do that and come out three and three, even you can promote it.
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  You've got a city that's now pumped up with the world cup.
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  We're all sports and everything's great.
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  The NHL shut down, the NFL still not going, not the NBA.
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  Come see the Canadian game.
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  Get your soccer stars in Toronto to cross promote Okay.
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  You saw the world's football.
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  Come see the Canadian football.
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  Come visit us at the Argos.
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  You're all part of one company.
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  Build that excitement in and really make a drive and a push to build a, to make it a positive thing for the fan base.
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  Okay.
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  done was just have all the home games in Hamilton.
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  It's 20 minutes down the road.
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  You could have just used Hamilton Stadium.
• 23:41
  It's not like there's soccer going on there.
• 23:46
  It would have been two games in the middle of five weeks because you could have scheduled three games away anyways, and you could have done it.
• 23:53
  You know, like again, it's just...
• 23:56
  It really comes down to, I'm sure of it, and this goes back to my previous rant about my favorite company that we won't talk about, but those guys want the dollars that they can
• 24:06
  get out of three-pack stadiums in the West.
• 24:11
  Yeah.
• 24:13
  It certainly seems like that.
• 24:14
  And well, but the other thing is that they don't not disagreeing with that, but nobody's really said how they're doing this.
• 24:20
  You know, what, what's happening are the Argos renting Mosaic stadium for a game and, running a game.
• 24:26
  And if that's the case, do they get the home locker room?
• 24:29
  Cause they're renting the stadium.
• 24:32
  Do they, do they get all.
• 24:34
  to put all the advertising on the big screen?
• 24:36
  Do they get to control all of the concessions and that?
• 24:40
  You're renting the city, you should be able to.
• 24:43
  To me, it's just, of probably the six or seven things you could think of doing, they picked the worst one, I think.
• 24:52
  Yeah, no, I agree.
• 24:53
  It's a schmazzle.
• 24:54
  There's no doubt about it.
• 24:55
  We knew it was going to happen.
• 24:57
  We knew something was going to be a mess, and they just made it the biggest mess possible.
• 25:02
  No.
• 25:02
  And so I was going to say, and apparently this is going to affect BC and we haven't heard anything about it because they basically said, well, don't worry about it.
• 25:11
  We'll do a couple of games somewhere else in the province as specialty games.
• 25:16
  So anyway, that's, that's one more thing we're getting down towards the games, but I did have a couple other things I did want to just jump into was, uh, Taylor Ellsgramma
• 25:26
  Ellsgramma.
• 25:27
  El's guy, I can never pronounce it properly down with the Packers.
• 25:32
  El Gersma, there we go.
• 25:34
  News that if anybody hasn't heard is that he got in the first preseason game and I think through three passes, gotten the second preseason game ahead of the established number
• 25:44
  three and played, they said almost a quarter and a half led two touchdown drives and one for a field goal.
• 25:51
  got sacked once, but.
• 25:52
  From what I'm hearing, the coaches sound like they're taking a serious look at him.
• 25:57
  Now they're in the social media that seems to be either, yeah, yeah, he's solid, he's got a lock or he doesn't have a, he could be the next Brett Favre and he wouldn't make it
• 26:06
  because of NFL politics.
• 26:07
  So what do you think?
• 26:09
  I think he's going to probably end up on the practice roster because of the politics.
• 26:14
  But I think it's going to be, but he could end up on the roster.
• 26:17
  If he gets another chance and I think they said he's going to play again and or the other quarterbacks are going to get a full quarter this week.
• 26:25
  And then that might be the decision maker between the two.
• 26:29
  But I think he could, he's going to stick around.
• 26:31
  He's not going to get cut.
• 26:32
  He's going to at least be on the practice roster if nothing else.
• 26:51
  .
• 26:52
  chance to move anywhere and stick around.
• 26:56
  So, I mean, he's a tremendous quarterback.
• 26:58
  He has all the tools and I think it's just a matter of getting that chance.
• 27:02
  But as you said.
• 27:03
  The politics in the NFL of a Canadian university quarterback getting a shot is really tough.
• 27:10
  From what I see picked up, I believe he's going to get, uh they're expecting him to get more time on the field again in the next game.
• 27:18
  I believe it's the final game of their preseason.
• 27:24
  But they expect him to get more time than he did last game because he did so well.
• 27:29
  If I remember what I heard properly.
• 27:31
  But I agree, he'll probably end up on the practice roster.
• 27:34
  But you never know.
• 27:36
  From the practice roster to get jumped in and look at him in the quarterback seat, the CFL just got hurt and knocked out and you got a forced stringer playing.
• 27:43
  You know what I mean?
• 27:44
  So he's got his, you know, to go from the practice roster into a game is pretty easy when you get one or two of your guys out.
• 27:51
  Even one, you know, he bumps up right away and he's, definitely got the talent,
• 27:55
  I honestly don't know.
• 27:56
  There's so many variables towards it.
• 27:58
  I hope the best for him.
• 27:59
  Cause he certainly, has all the talent and from everything I've heard, he's, he's doing everything he can.
• 28:05
  He's doing the work.
• 28:06
  And I would hope my, personal thought on it for whatever it's worth.
• 28:10
  would, I really hope that they do decide to carry three on the roster and he gets that third man spot.
• 28:16
  because there is the slight issue that if they put him on the PR, he may end up getting caught in the same thing Nathan did, where if they bring him onto the team once or twice
• 28:25
  because somebody gets hurt, he has to go through waivers and then someone else grabs him off of waivers when they're...
• 28:31
  One thing looks good for him though is he's got some height on him.
• 28:36
  Right?
• 28:37
  And then that's important in the NFL, right?
• 28:39
  So, you know.
• 28:41
  he's NFL size.
• 28:42
  There's no doubt about it.
• 28:43
  He's he's 6'5 240 or something.
• 28:46
  He's NFL size.
• 28:47
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:49
  and when they say cannon of an arm, they, a rocket launcher of an arm more even it's just, yeah.
• 28:55
  So he's got all the tools and Green Bay from everything I've heard said, I mean, who knows, they'll say whatever they want, but the way they've handled it, the way they
• 29:04
  brought him in for the top 30 visit, the way that they were involved in the game down, the all-star game.
• 29:10
  can't even remember which one it was that he got to play in down there and everything.
• 29:13
  He.
• 29:15
  All of that, they seem genuinely interested.
• 29:18
  So I'm hoping he gets, it's less to do about where he comes from and more that they feel like they've got a diamond in the rough.
• 29:25
  And Green Bay has a lot of fans in Canada.
• 29:29
  Yes they do.
• 29:29
  The other people that have lot of fans in Canada are the bombers who are just praying that somehow he doesn't make it so they can have him up here.
• 29:38
  Yeah, exactly.
• 29:39
  think they're kind of going, no, what do do now?
• 29:42
  Yeah, because I don't think they had a plan other than him next year.
• 29:46
  Yeah.
• 29:46
  All right.
• 29:47
  What, one last thing before we talk the actual football games and this, could have talked in with the Toronto game, but I, figured I'd throw it out here anyway.
• 29:56
  I don't think it's a spoiler alert that Toronto dropped one late in the game again.
• 30:00
  Dinwiddie's reaction, the shot they had of him on the sidelines, destroying a headset.
• 30:08
  And then I watched the.
• 30:09
  post game news conference and the entire thing, he was talking about the fact that we don't give up but he just, he looked beaten.
• 30:17
  He was complaining about this, that everything.
• 30:19
  He didn't like this call from the refs.
• 30:21
  He didn't like that call from the refs.
• 30:23
  It just, it seems like life's to me, like somehow life's going out of him and that team.
• 30:30
  And I thought I'd put that to you guys.
• 30:32
  Am I missing something or what's the future like for the rest of the season with the Argos?
• 30:38
  next season?
• 30:40
  Yeah, yeah, because it's not this season.
• 30:42
  Um, and, and yeah, I, yeah, I just, you know, I finished watching that game and I said to somebody that I'm giving up, I'm giving up every so far this year, I keep saying they're
• 30:54
  going to get better.
• 30:55
  They're going to turn it around.
• 30:56
  They have too much talent.
• 30:57
  And now I've just decided, no, they're not, they're a bad team and they look like a bad team and they continue to do things that just
• 31:06
  They can't win, they can't get over that hump and that's a bad team.
• 31:09
  So I don't see them winning more than two, three more games the rest of the year.
• 31:13
  If they get to, they're at what, two now?
• 31:14
  If they get to five, they would be very lucky.
• 31:17
  I just don't see it.
• 31:19
  And yeah, so I don't know that they're gonna make a ton of changes because I don't think there's a ton of changes to be made.
• 31:28
  They'll bring in.
• 31:46
  .
• 31:47
  also need to get some better players.
• 31:50
  That's all there is to it.
• 31:51
  They're just not working.
• 31:53
  And I don't think they're defensive.
• 32:04
  I kind of thought it was a good game, but...
• 32:06
  Well, you would.
• 32:07
  uh
• 32:13
  But anytime when you see a coach or anybody like that trashing equipment just out of frustration when they know they're on the big TV, you know what mean?
• 32:24
  I think they should be a little bit more in control.
• 32:28
  That really looks like a pretty childish act to me.
• 32:32
  I don't know, just...
• 32:33
  I can see them just going, putting their head down and shaking their head or something, you know, ripping a set of headphones off and throwing them on the ground and, you know,
• 32:42
  jumping up and down, you know, on them.
• 32:44
  that's pretty bad.
• 32:46
  Yes.
• 32:47
  I've heard folks say to, yeah, I've heard folks say that to his credit, he didn't go at least didn't go full moss.
• 32:54
  The Gatorade coolers were safe and that, but that's a bit of a low bar.
• 33:01
  And yeah, the only thing I would say a little different from where you're coming from GTI, I might expect to see a bit more changes coming in, not to try and salvage this year, but
• 33:11
  It's fairly obvious there's some positions that you've got that you're just, you're not there yet.
• 33:16
  So if you've got somebody on the negotiation list, if there's an NFL cut, if there's something like that, why not bring them in and give them a half a dozen games to develop
• 33:25
  at the end of this year and see if they're worth bringing back next year or something.
• 33:30
  So time for that kind of experimentation.
• 33:33
  Yeah, no, I agree that's 100%.
• 33:34
  That's what I think they're going to do.
• 33:36
  I just don't know how much you can and how, a lot of those times, a lot of times when that happens, they cycle through guys two or three games.
• 33:44
  I'm not sure anybody, my point was, I'm not sure there's going to be somebody that starts next weekend and is this, you know, it's still there at the end of the year.
• 33:51
  I think they're going to start cycling guys rather than starting to, rather than trying to fix this year, I think they're going to start cycling for next year.
• 34:00
  So yeah, yeah.
• 34:02
  Smartest thing they can probably do.
• 34:05
  Alrighty.
• 34:05
  So we'll let's, um, let's maybe move on to what happened in the games.
• 34:11
  we, we started out with Ottawa going into Winnipeg on the Thursday night and coming out just short, 30 for, 30 for Winnipeg, 27 for Ottawa.
• 34:23
  I'll run through a couple of quick things that I just saw.
• 34:27
  about the game and that, mean, Ottawa showed that they were plucky.
• 34:31
  They were down 20 to three at the half again.
• 34:34
  So another time when the bombers were up by 17 points on someone and let them climb right back into it.
• 34:41
  But then unfortunately Drew Brown decided he was going to pretend he was Trey Ford on a play and made an absolutely fantastic scramble escape and got a pass downfield was
• 34:54
  completed and got hurt in the end of the play.
• 34:58
  that they managed to still move in, finish the touchdown drive that got them back into it.
• 35:05
  Then they came back even with Dustin Crum in there.
• 35:08
  They came back a little bit later and got.
• 35:11
  another feel or another touch.
• 35:12
  I'm sorry.
• 35:13
  So we were, they were down 27 20 with three minutes to go.
• 35:18
  Winnipeg was up like this.
• 35:19
  And this is when that game got really, I thought really interesting.
• 35:22
  And we saw two just terrible coaching decisions.
• 35:25
  Cause first of all, Winnipeg with about what was it?
• 35:28
  I think there was a still maybe about a little under three minutes to go.
• 35:35
  They decided that they were going to.
• 35:37
  Rather than go third and one on about the 50 yard line, they decided to kick a long field goal with, miss Sergio or try one.
• 35:46
  So they'd be up by 10 points instead of seven.
• 35:49
  They missed the field goal and Khalil Pimpleton ran her back all the way.
• 35:53
  So shades of a few other games that were ending that way this year.
• 35:57
  Bad.
• 35:58
  So that was my first bad decision.
• 36:00
  Why?
• 36:00
  You probably had four or five options there.
• 36:02
  Why kick that field goal?
• 36:03
  But they did.
• 36:05
  And then.
• 36:05
  Winnipeg gets the ball back and they march a bit and it's looking like they can get back and you know, maybe win the game.
• 36:12
  And Zach throws an interception.
• 36:15
  So with what was it?
• 36:18
  believe it was 46 seconds left.
• 36:20
  Ottawa takes over their ball on their own 20.
• 36:22
  And here's the second one, the other bad coaching decision that lost the game.
• 36:27
  You run the ball twice, the worst case scenario.
• 36:31
  If you don't get any yards and Winnipeg takes their time out in the middle of that, you're still kicking to them, punting to them with about three or four seconds on the clock and
• 36:39
  you're playing in overtime with all the momentum.
• 36:41
  But Tommy Condales decides, no, we'll throw the ball, which suddenly changes the whole thing, throws the ball into incomplete.
• 36:50
  Then he goes back to running, doesn't get the first down.
• 36:54
  They have to get the punt back to Winnipeg.
• 36:56
  They make a couple of plays and,
• 36:57
  Sergio comes back and kicks the long one for the field goal.
• 37:01
  So not a great game, but entertaining.
• 37:04
  And just to me, was again, Ottawa making too many mistakes to overcome.
• 37:08
  Have I missed anything?
• 37:10
  What do you guys think about how the game went?
• 37:12
  Well, you know, it was interesting.
• 37:14
  I thought it was a it was the beginning of some bad coaching decisions all weekend long Where in some where you know, I just thought like what are these sometimes they I don't
• 37:23
  know what they're thinking I thought I thought it was amusing that when when crumb came in I thought no Is it going to be a yet another crumb back against Winnipeg against the
• 37:32
  Winnipeg?
• 37:32
  I thought that would have been very amusing
• 37:35
  And I thought he looked good with driving the ball, I also thought was Edmonton was Winnipeg imitating BC's uh defensive coverage from a couple weeks ago because they were
• 37:44
  just in a deep shell and he was just throwing underneath all the time and driving the ball and they were scoring on it.
• 37:50
  So it worked.
• 37:51
  There was a couple of really nice catches.
• 37:53
  thought Justin's Hardy's catch early in the game on their first drive when he went up high to catch that was a beautiful catch.
• 38:00
  I also thought Winnipeg came to play early and was out physically on Ottawa on all three phases of the game.
• 38:06
  They were just more physical than Ottawa was and looked like they wanted it more.
• 38:11
  As you said, they didn't have the second half.
• 38:13
  They don't seem to be able to sustain an entire game at that level.
• 38:18
  But coming out of the gate, they were definitely more physical than
• 38:20
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 38:22
  I agree on what both of said.
• 38:24
  you know, it's just,
• 38:26
  It was up and down so much, it was hard to really get the flow of it, you know what I mean?
• 38:31
  It was definitely all Winnipeg to begin with, so was kind of...
• 38:34
  I thought it was going to be a whole hum game, right?
• 38:36
  But then the whole second half was up and down continuously.
• 38:40
  It was hard to get the flow, right?
• 38:42
  You know, so...
• 38:43
  But then, Crum thought really made it interesting anyhow, As far as keeping the Ottawa on the game, right?
• 38:49
  Yeah, definitely.
• 38:52
  interesting and kept there, right?
• 38:54
  Yes.
• 38:54
  He looked, he still didn't look fantastic, but he looked better than he has in the past.
• 38:59
  He was actually making some reads and completing more passes than I expected him to.
• 39:04
  But, but you're right.
• 39:06
  it's hard to know what that game was.
• 39:09
  It was like neither really team had an identity.
• 39:12
  They were almost like just whatever works.
• 39:16
  at the end of the weekend, I sat back and went, well, it was no week 10.
• 39:21
  These days were close.
• 39:22
  Yeah.
• 39:23
  These games were close, but they weren't like the week before.
• 39:26
  Right.
• 39:26
  So yeah.
• 39:27
  Cause there was a lot of, a lot of close games for no apparent reason.
• 39:30
  still, I picked Ottawa as we talked about last week saying that Winnipeg is up and down and they're still up and down.
• 39:35
  I'm still not convinced.
• 39:37
  They have Montreal this week so they should win, but I'm still not convinced they're that great a team.
• 39:43
  They're just, you know, I think that they're winning.
• 39:47
  That's the only way I can put it.
• 39:49
  Yeah, exactly.
• 39:50
  You never know how Montreal might do though, know, they've shown themselves once in a while to come in and play a good game still, even with the backup, right?
• 39:59
  Yeah.
• 40:00
  Well, I think it tells you something about how I feel about Winnipeg, that even with Montreal where they are, I'm still thinking about that pick.
• 40:09
  I don't know for sure yet.
• 40:10
  Hahaha!
• 40:11
  left
• 40:12
  I was just realizing, Grizz, I'm gonna have to put a trigger warning on the start for the strobe warning about your overhead fan going up there.
• 40:21
  It's not bad, but when you got up, I noticed all of sudden there's shadows in the background.
• 40:26
  oh
• 40:29
  enough.
• 40:29
  No, no, no, it's fine.
• 40:30
  I'm just, I'm joking.
• 40:32
  Alrighty.
• 40:32
  So let's, let's just wrap that one real quick.
• 40:35
  I did have one other thought on that.
• 40:37
  And that is that there are probably an awful lot of Willie Jefferson fans who like to bet that are hating Jake Thomas right now, because one of the things that happened in that
• 40:50
  game was there was an over under on how many pass downs, how bad downs Willie would get.
• 40:55
  And it was at one and a half and he got one and I'm willing to bet that there were a lot of people that bet the over two would have got them for it late in the game.
• 41:04
  He had another one right there and Jake Thomas jumped up in front of him and batted it away.
• 41:09
  Yeah.
• 41:12
  So they won't be happy.
• 41:13
  Some money lost.
• 41:15
  Anyway, let's move on to...
• 41:17
  But that was it.
• 41:19
  But get back to that play.
• 41:21
  That was a pretty awesome play.
• 41:23
  Yeah, that was.
• 41:27
  Yeah, I gotta say this, even in the games that aren't great, there are still some amazing plays that happen in this league.
• 41:35
  You can pick one from every game, but we're moving on to the Friday night game.
• 41:42
  Toronto went into Edmonton and fell short.
• 41:45
  Edmonton 28, Toronto 20.
• 41:48
  We've...
• 41:48
  Tried to ease you into the game here, Grizz, with a couple of easy throws and that.
• 41:52
  Are you ready to take the lead and tell us about this game?
• 41:57
  not necessarily.
• 41:57
  But I will try.
• 41:59
  That's the benefit you get for being the Elk fan.
• 42:02
  Okay.
• 42:05
  Well, I don't know where to start with it.
• 42:07
  My notes here I have.
• 42:08
  Edmonton, have done the first, what do you call it, big fail for them on the first drive for the Argos, right?
• 42:15
  They just let it happen.
• 42:17
  I don't know why.
• 42:18
  You know, there was no, it just fell apart.
• 42:21
  All in all, The Elks did a pretty good job of keeping our Argos pinned a lot, I thought.
• 42:28
  You know what I mean?
• 42:29
  Other than Toronto getting a couple, right?
• 42:32
  But I mean, it's a couple good plays, but...
• 42:36
  I wasn't prepared to be left alone like this.
• 42:40
  Eddie, I would have read up little bit more on my own notes ahead of time.
• 42:49
  I'm reminded of the movie, oh what was it?
• 42:52
  It was one of the sales movies with DeVito in it, Tin Men maybe or something, where they said, they said, forget about being thrown into the pool and learning if you know how to
• 43:03
  swim.
• 43:04
  Around here we throw you out of the plane and learn if you know how to fly.
• 43:08
  So that's what we're doing to you.
• 43:10
  Lesson learned.
• 43:12
  so we'll jump in and then just bring in more that you want.
• 43:16
  I tend to agree with the stuff that you said that to tell you the truth, I thought to me the biggest fail with the Elk and I'm trying to remember if it's been like this all season
• 43:24
  or if it was just that game, but that D line you would expect would be getting so much more in the way of sacks.
• 43:30
  But their problem is they don't have any lane integrity.
• 43:33
  They're not rushing as a unit.
• 43:35
  They're leaving.
• 43:37
  almost every play they're using, leaving some sort of a big gap, either the ends are or the tackles are able to wash the ends way deep and he just steps up between end and guard
• 43:46
  or they open something up in the middle and they're leaving lots, lots of his capability lanes.
• 43:51
  Yeah, it seems to me they don't even try to make it to break in.
• 43:55
  You know what mean?
• 43:55
  You know, they don't really drive hard at the quarterback at all.
• 43:59
  Yeah, it's certainly not with, with any kind of a team focus anyway, because otherwise they're playing fairly well, but they got two sacks.
• 44:09
  yeah, yeah.
• 44:12
  They were gimmies though, I thought.
• 44:13
  Those sacks were almost gimmies.
• 44:15
  He walked into them.
• 44:17
  So he ran into them more than they ran into him.
• 44:20
  Well, but you gotta be good to be lucky too.
• 44:24
  on the, on the positive side, from what the stats I saw, Cody was clean, which is pretty amazing for the way he has been the last while with him.
• 44:34
  Edmonton is now one, two in a row and feeling their oats feeling like they're on their way.
• 44:40
  And it's the kind of, it's kind of the run that we all thought that they would get to eventually.
• 44:45
  But I also still think that they've been handed a couple of games.
• 44:49
  This was like the Montreal game.
• 44:52
  last week where you know the the interception that that everybody talked about with MBT that just changed everything right and gave basically gave took away all momentum Montreal
• 45:01
  had gave it all to Edmonton at the half and they went on to win it.
• 45:05
  I think this thing
• 45:06
  that happen?
• 45:06
  It happens all the time in the CFL.
• 45:09
  One play will turn the game around.
• 45:10
  a hundred percent.
• 45:11
  agree with you, Griz Yeah, I'm not saying that.
• 45:13
  I'm just saying that they've had a confluence of these for two games in a row where they've had this happen where I don't think they've played that great.
• 45:21
  I just think that the other team has kind of played badly enough that they, that not saying that Edmonton has been horrible like they were early in the year, they've
• 45:29
  definitely been better.
• 45:30
  But I just, again, like Toronto gave them these Toronto hit, hit a crossbar on their first drive.
• 45:37
  Then
• 45:38
  Then, Jenarian Grant did this dumbest thing I've ever seen.
• 45:43
  I don't know what he was thinking.
• 45:45
  It looked like he was watching for birds in the sky or something when that punt came in.
• 45:50
  He had no idea it was coming down.
• 45:52
  Then he reaches out with one hand, lets it bounce off, bobbles in.
• 45:57
  It's complete disaster, complete disaster.
• 46:01
  Then two to plays later, because Toronto starts at their own goal line, there are two and out.
• 46:06
  They have to kick up.
• 46:07
  punt to Edmonton, Edmonton gets the ball, gets a really good run back, plus Toronto gets no yards, that should have given them even more yards, and then on the next play,
• 46:18
  Edmonton's in the end zone.
• 46:20
  If Janarian Grant hadn't done that, but that gives Edmonton the momentum now, they're in the game again, when they shouldn't have been in the game, but they were.
• 46:29
  And then later on, when Toronto has a chance to steal it all away,
• 46:33
  Hagerty has a complete brain meltdown and I don't know what he's thinking and just decides to run around rather than punt the ball and give it back to Edmonton and they score and
• 46:44
  games over.
• 46:45
  It was just like, come on, what are you guys doing?
• 46:48
  As well as all the other stuff that goes on regularly during a game, you know, but
• 46:54
  admit, Edmonton, I don't find it was as good a game as the Montreal game, to be honest with you.
• 47:01
  I think Edmonton just survived this one, Survived Toronto's mess-ups.
• 47:06
  Yeah, I know, I understand.
• 47:07
  because like I put down on my notes, it was pretty much a whole hum game.
• 47:12
  It's just the good guys won.
• 47:16
  But like, I don't know.
• 47:20
  I just kept thinking this game's kind of like and then something would happen and you go all this games pretty good and then it was like yeah, no hair something else is happening.
• 47:27
  It's just one of those
• 47:29
  Yes
• 47:29
  there was that one punt that, how does he fumble such an important punt when they were back to him, right?
• 47:37
  know what I mean?
• 47:38
  It was just like, my God, you know, sort of thing.
• 47:42
  But he kind of recovered a bit, so I don't know.
• 47:46
  we're not talking about punt fumbles in Ryderville right now.
• 47:49
  Yeah.
• 47:53
  it's, well, the thing is, I agree pretty much with what you guys have said.
• 47:57
  The game could have gone either way.
• 47:59
  were mistakes made both ways.
• 48:01
  And then at the end, was still decided in the last three minutes, cause they were within eight points.
• 48:06
  And on, think about the 30 or 35 when Toronto finally threw three incompletes to get the, to turnover on downs.
• 48:15
  But even that wasn't easy because the, the officials on the third one threw up and.
• 48:20
  Interference penalty on Ross on a bit of an out on Hurslow that from everything I saw was, I have no idea how you could call that.
• 48:29
  I've seen a lot of people saying, what was the replay center doing going in there, making a call that changed the end of the game.
• 48:35
  They gave the win to Edmonton and my question was, what was the official doing making a ticky tack call like that at the end of the game, trying to extend a drive.
• 48:44
  It never should have been thrown.
• 48:46
  That's my thought.
• 48:47
  Yeah.
• 48:48
  me in the comments makes for good radio.
• 48:49
  not going to argue it.
• 48:51
  uh
• 48:54
  some extent, didn't what he did have some legitimate complaints about some of the calls.
• 48:58
  I mean, the call on the call on Heslop when he was trying to, he got the, the ah interference or clipping or whatever tripping when he was trying to hurdle the guy on the
• 49:11
  kickoff return.
• 49:12
  That was crazy.
• 49:13
  He was just trying to hurdle the guy and his foot happened to catch him.
• 49:16
  That was, you know, so.
• 49:18
  But Toronto shot themselves in the foot too many times to complain about the calls.
• 49:23
  Edmonton missed a field goal when they still only had a five-point lead.
• 49:27
  Toronto got a penalty on it and gave Edmonton the chance to kick over.
• 49:32
  Now they have an eight-point lead.
• 49:34
  It's just like, you know, like I said.
• 49:38
  call is only a bad call if it affects you negatively, m
• 49:43
  I, I did disagree.
• 49:44
  I try to be objective and I say there were some bad calls on both sides of that game.
• 49:49
  I don't think anybody was, was, was being, was getting an advantage, but yeah, but that they called it unnecessary roughness on that kick with Herslow that was, that's a bit
• 49:58
  iffy.
• 49:58
  And then the other thing I'll throw it in right here now.
• 50:01
  And I know I say this too much and I gotta stop ranting about it, but for gorse sakes.
• 50:06
  If you see a penalty out there on something simple, like an offsides or a procedure or something, throw the flag, make the call and move on.
• 50:15
  Every bloody one of those is now a 15, 20 second delay while the replay center decides if it was real or not.
• 50:23
  Just call the game and if it's something challengeable and the coaches don't like it, let them challenge it.
• 50:29
  That's my feeling.
• 50:31
  agree way too many delays.
• 50:33
  Wait, many unnecessary and like they're taking the whole.
• 50:38
  um
• 50:39
  the human side out of of the reffing you know it's just way you know they're doing that in so many sports right pretty much all the way all the way across the board in all sports i
• 50:50
  don't know why
• 50:50
  Yeah.
• 50:51
  I will say the one thing that I agree with they've done this year is they, or at least according to what they've put out, they're things like the replays on illegal or pass
• 51:01
  interference.
• 51:02
  They're watching at full speed.
• 51:03
  They're not slowing them down.
• 51:04
  So that's at least a bit better.
• 51:07
  Yeah.
• 51:08
  And the last thing that I enjoyed in this game was just one of those things that happened.
• 51:12
  We had a little bit of a play where Rankin leaked out of the backfield and ran a bit of an out where he got the.
• 51:18
  the angle on McInnis and completed a short pass.
• 51:22
  And I think it was like eight, 10 yards and got run out of bounds at the sidelines or anything.
• 51:25
  And Suiter took it as his chance to do one of his pontifications about how much you're looking for.
• 51:32
  a, the matchup of a running back on a linebacker and even a linebacker as good as McManus, he can't move quickly and, and this is the result you're going to get in the, in the, in
• 51:42
  the quarterback's going to see it and throw it right away.
• 51:44
  And he does all this and then they go back and you see the replay.
• 51:47
  And the reason McManus is slow reacting is he spits his mouth guard out just as the play starts and has to reach down and grab it and put it back in.
• 51:56
  I never caught that.
• 51:58
  a little bit too.
• 51:59
  Sorry, my weird brain does those things.
• 52:03
  Yeah, no, thing that I laughed at and thought was just the weirdest thing about this game all around was the music.
• 52:11
  I don't know whether you guys noticed, did you notice every outro was Trooper raise a little hell?
• 52:17
  And then coming back into the game, everything was Steppenwolf born to be wild.
• 52:22
  I'm like, who's picking the music tonight?
• 52:25
  Like was it CanCon 1978, CanCon time or what was the deal with that?
• 52:31
  Yeah.
• 52:32
  me.
• 52:32
  It was probably me.
• 52:33
  I like both them songs.
• 52:35
  That's...
• 52:37
  Well, hey, you know...
• 52:38
  I laughed.
• 52:39
  couldn't stop it.
• 52:40
  Every time they went out, I just took my head and started to giggle.
• 52:42
  It was just too much.
• 52:44
  Well, well, well, the Thursday night, wasn't it the hip blowing high dough that was suddenly everywhere?
• 52:53
  Yeah.
• 52:54
  that a lot.
• 52:55
  So yeah.
• 52:56
  But yes, but yeah, all of a sudden it's Trooper and Steppenwolf.
• 53:00
  I'm like, okay, here we are.
• 53:02
  Okay.
• 53:02
  Yeah.
• 53:04
  Alrighty.
• 53:05
  So then that gets us through the Fridays.
• 53:06
  We're onto Saturday.
• 53:07
  MJ is not here.
• 53:08
  So I don't even have to fight her to see who gets to talk about the Hamilton Saskatchewan game anyway.
• 53:13
  And, I don't want to go on about this too much at all.
• 53:17
  I think that it, it was a very nice performance by the riders.
• 53:22
  think you can safely say that on this weekend, they were the best team in the CFL.
• 53:28
  whether that'll be the same thing next weekend or not, but they've definitely two weeks in a row, they've put it together.
• 53:33
  They certainly look complete.
• 53:34
  they early on in the game, Hamilton was able to move the first couple of drives on them a bit and they held managed to still hold them to field goals.
• 53:43
  overcame the Hamilton's the way Hamilton decided to defend them was to put heavy pressure on, Trevor and try and jump the short routes.
• 53:50
  And that worked.
• 53:51
  They almost picked off three balls.
• 53:52
  One of them, they did pick off and.
• 53:55
  Then not short too long after that, they, Saskatchewan responded by running a double move on one of the DBs jumping it.
• 54:02
  And I think it was a 50 or 60 yard open touchdown to Myers that put them ahead.
• 54:08
  And it just really kind of went on from there.
• 54:12
  For some reason, I don't know what it is, but yeah, well, it was as far as if you're not a rider fan, it was a, maybe I'll turn this off at halftime game because.
• 54:23
  But for a rider fan, was huge.
• 54:25
  And I don't know what it is.
• 54:26
  There is something about the riders defense that has Hamilton's number because I was looking at, I think they mentioned this in the game, but I was looking at B0's touchdown
• 54:39
  to interception ratio against the rest of the league is 21 to one, 21 touchdowns, one interception against the riders.
• 54:49
  It's one to four.
• 54:51
  One touchdown, four interceptions and they just, they then just knew him to sort of two games in a row.
• 54:57
  it was the defense stood up when they needed to, even that second field goal came after the Harris interception fairly, fairly deep in their own end zone.
• 55:08
  Or no, I don't think it did.
• 55:09
  Cause after that one was when, sorry, they did get that and then, uh, Milligan took it back or don't, sorry.
• 55:15
  Losing my mind.
• 55:16
  I'm going to have to this out.
• 55:17
  That was after that.
• 55:18
  After Harris got intercepted, they held them to the field goal.
• 55:21
  Then later in the game, the reason rider fans don't talk about fumble punts is that the Gus McCrae fumbled one deep in the rider's end zone that got nowhere.
• 55:30
  Cause Milligan picked off bow on the goal line for that one.
• 55:35
  Yeah.
• 55:35
  So it was basically, it was just dominant by the rider's defense and Trevor, for whatever reason was being able to, uh, to pick apart the, the.
• 55:46
  Ty Kat's defense pretty much at will, but.
• 55:48
  No, Mimph.
• 55:49
  only went three for five.
• 55:51
  He hit a 59 yarder with the wind, still only, or only sorry, two for five.
• 55:55
  with it.
• 55:55
  What else did I have here?
• 55:57
  Oh yeah.
• 55:58
  It says something about that second half.
• 56:00
  Why non-rider fans probably would have turned it off was that I realized it was 23 seconds left in the third quarter when Bo got his first completion of the, the half, or at least
• 56:11
  his first one to a, to a tiger cat.
• 56:13
  He'd throw in two to the riders by then.
• 56:16
  And then the last thing, in, but I'll just say the last thing is that I loved the fact that it was family day at the stadium there and they really leaned into it.
• 56:26
  They had Trevor's son announcing the team over the intercom.
• 56:31
  Um, they had a great shot of Bo signing a Jersey for your fan and on all the sea of green, a guy wearing a tie cast Jersey, getting Bo to sign it for him and proudly putting it on.
• 56:42
  loved to see that.
• 56:44
  They showed a photo from the last time they won the Grey Cup in 2013.
• 56:49
  Seven different riders had babies.
• 56:51
  So they had a shot of all the babies in their strollers with the jersey hung over them.
• 56:56
  Just the family of football.
• 56:58
  And then my, my family...
• 57:01
  Yes, they did.
• 57:04
  Yeah.
• 57:05
  maybe why they have Bo's number now is because when he was with Calgary, they couldn't get his number at all.
• 57:12
  Right?
• 57:12
  So maybe now, you know, they got him with a lesser team.
• 57:17
  Yeah.
• 57:22
  new coach.
• 57:19
  Cause yeah, we spent years cursing Bo.
• 57:23
  For sure everybody did Anyhow, everybody outside of Calgary
• 57:30
  yes, exactly.
• 57:31
  Yes.
• 57:32
  But the last thing that I'll, that I'll mention, is just, got this from the radio show.
• 57:37
  Luke Mullinder was saying that Tommy Stevens' dad came out to the game and it was the first time he met him.
• 57:43
  said, I could not believe it, but that man makes Tommy look like a little baby.
• 57:48
  I guess his father is even more huge.
• 57:52
  So anyway, that's all my thoughts from Ryderville.
• 57:54
  Jump in.
• 57:55
  What did you guys think other than that?
• 57:57
  it could be boring if you weren't cheering for the right team.
• 58:01
  I wasn't cheering for a team.
• 58:02
  I was watching for a good game.
• 58:05
  Yeah.
• 58:05
  I thought Saskatchewan was full value for the win and I thought Hamilton was full value for the loss.
• 58:11
  I thought this was a lot of bad coaching by Hamilton as well.
• 58:15
  Those first two drives, as you said, Trevor almost threw an interception on his second pass of the game to Moxey Then he was intercepted on the second drive.
• 58:24
  Both times Hamilton had them down.
• 58:26
  at the last, inside the five yard line and third down and decided to go for field goals.
• 58:31
  I mean, how does, what is Saskatchewan's offense?
• 58:35
  It's Trevor moves the ball nice and slow down the field, down the field.
• 58:39
  And yeah, they kept saying how he, they've got more long plays than anybody else, but that's not their offense.
• 58:46
  When you have the chance to put your throat or your foot on the neck of your opponent early in the game, there's
• 58:53
  dumb.
• 58:53
  That was a dumb call by Milanovic, especially on the second drive.
• 58:57
  I could see on the first one, take the, take the three points, but on the second one, you could have gone for it.
• 59:03
  And even if you don't, you've got them at the, know, you turn the ball over at the two yard line or one yard line, whatever it just, instead you give the ball up at the 40,
• 59:12
  whoever throws a 60 yard or to Meyer seven, seven to six, Saskatchewan's on the way.
• 59:17
  Any momentum you had is gone.
• 59:19
  I thought that was horrible coaching by
• 59:22
  Milanovic and then they were playing catch up.
• 59:25
  What's Hamilton's offense?
• 59:27
  Long bombs.
• 59:28
  They have to make them up, but they only do that.
• 59:31
  play from ahead Hamilton plays from ahead when they're winning all year.
• 59:36
  So far those games that they won.
• 59:38
  When they're behind, they don't make up.
• 59:40
  They can't make it up because their defense isn't that good either.
• 59:43
  And so I just thought, again, they just made some bad coaching decisions and Bo looked off.
• 59:49
  I thought their offense looked
• 59:50
  like not in sync at all.
• 59:52
  was one time where, where Lawler went completely left and both drew completely right and the ball landed in between the two of them.
• 1:00:00
  They weren't on the same page at all.
• 1:00:02
  yeah, I just thought again, as I said, no taking nothing away from the Riders I think they played a very good game.
• 1:00:08
  but I also think Hamilton played a very bad game and made some very serious coaching errors throughout the game.
• 1:00:16
  Saskatchewan, you know, they sent a message to the league according to Corey.
• 1:00:19
  So we'll see if the message is heard.
• 1:00:22
  We'll see if the message is heard.
• 1:00:25
  Yeah, in all nine cities heard
• 1:00:26
  in the league, So they are the best team in the league.
• 1:00:31
  So right now.
• 1:00:33
  yeah, like I said, right now, right now they are.
• 1:00:37
  I've been around this game long enough to know that that could be a whole different thing in two or three weeks, depending on how the injuries play out and what else goes on in
• 1:00:46
  that.
• 1:00:46
  yeah, that's why I've been a rider fan long enough to know that I just enjoy this, uh, this feeling while it's here.
• 1:00:55
  I think on to and out last night, Sheldon was saying, you know, maybe it's time to set aside that.
• 1:00:59
  rider fan PTSD.
• 1:01:01
  Maybe we can actually say, you know, this has been two really good games, three fairly good games ago.
• 1:01:07
  Maybe we just stopped worrying about them.
• 1:01:09
  I'm sitting there thinking, no, I've been doing this far too long to ever get comfortable with the riders.
• 1:01:16
  Well, that's true of any team, As soon as you get real comfortable with them, they go and mess something up.
• 1:01:22
  Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Well, they've got what?
• 1:01:26
  They've got Calgary this week and then Banja Bowl and Labor Day, right?
• 1:01:31
  So it's next three games.
• 1:01:33
  They're pretty important for them.
• 1:01:36
  Yes, it is.
• 1:01:37
  And I think personally, my feeling is if they do beat Calgary and split that Winnipeg one, they're in a pretty good spot in the driver's seat to take first place.
• 1:01:49
  I think they're think they've got first pretty much locked there there it's gonna be counter they they've yeah anyways I just feel like that I just feel like they've got first
• 1:01:58
  locked but I but I don't think I don't think they're running away with it but I think they'll end up with
• 1:02:05
  Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  That, yeah.
• 1:02:06
  And my feeling is, like I said, even if they don't beat Calgary by over 14, so Calgary still has the series.
• 1:02:13
  If they can win at specifically the Calgary game and one of the two at Winnipeg is what I'm saying.
• 1:02:19
  But, but if Calgary beats them, even if they win the two against Winnipeg, I'm still not sitting terribly comfortable because there's still a lot of the games to go.
• 1:02:30
  I'm hearing people sitting there out there saying, well, whatever the riders do, don't go 16 and two.
• 1:02:36
  Cause that's the curse.
• 1:02:37
  know, Hey, I want to make sure at this point, I want to make sure that we get nine wins this year, you know, and then we'll go from there.
• 1:02:47
  Yeah, well, go ahead.
• 1:02:49
  this morning on the radio and they were doing the deciphering as to what Edmonton had to do to make the playoffs and I thought, boy, there's sure some dreamers in this town.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, yeah, you gotta do some fancy math there to make that look right.
• 1:03:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:11
  Well, it's always doable, but.
• 1:03:14
  only two games out of a crossover spot.
• 1:03:16
  It's not impossible at all.
• 1:03:19
  Well, but other teams have to do things wrong for themselves also, right?
• 1:03:28
  mean, Edmonton has to two games right for themselves, but other teams have to lose for Edmonton to end up doing that.
• 1:03:34
  If the other teams win also, then, you know, just, you know, whatever, regardless, I just thought it was kind of comical at this point.
• 1:03:42
  I wouldn't rule it out.
• 1:03:45
  go ahead.
• 1:03:46
  there's yeah, the math.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah, the math in the next three weeks can change the entire division.
• 1:03:53
  The next three weeks, because because between because of the Labor Day's and the rematches, right?
• 1:04:00
  If Winnipeg, if Winnipeg, if Saskatchewan takes both of those games against Winnipeg, and Edmonton takes both of the games against Calgary,
• 1:04:08
  all of sudden, Winnipeg and Edmonton are tied.
• 1:04:12
  It's as simple as that.
• 1:04:14
  And so, yeah.
• 1:04:15
  And then you're in a crossover again, you're looking at the crossover, because you don't have to worry about getting third place in the West.
• 1:04:22
  You just have to worry about getting fourth place and being better than the East, which is not hard this year.
• 1:04:27
  So, yeah, it's
• 1:04:29
  that, is true.
• 1:04:30
  But, but to tell you the truth, way that I look at it, as we've seen with Montreal, all it takes is one or two, or they've got like 12 injuries that are, are, well, you know,
• 1:04:41
  whatever they literally have like six high grade starters out.
• 1:04:44
  That'll knock the team down, but they will, should all come back this season.
• 1:04:47
  And to me, unless there's a, a massive sort of.
• 1:04:54
  mix up somebody, somebody loses a, their starting quarterback when they don't have a good backup or whatever.
• 1:05:00
  It's going to come down at the end of the season.
• 1:05:02
  There'll be Montreal and Hamilton left in the East and Calgary and Saskatchewan left in the West.
• 1:05:07
  And the rest of this, all this chafe will fall away.
• 1:05:10
  And those are the four teams.
• 1:05:13
  And quite frankly, any given day it's hard to pick which one would.
• 1:05:18
  will come out of either division and, and which one would win at this point, I'm sure Saskatchewan fans are hoping that they come out and that they get Hamilton because they're
• 1:05:27
  feeling confident.
• 1:05:29
  again, I, it's, it, there, it's, there is, there is a real parity at the top when the teams are reasonably healthy.
• 1:05:39
  Yeah, and see, I know we're way off where we but nonetheless, like you were just talking about Edmonton and teams, you're not sure, and even the riders, you're not sure.
• 1:05:53
  I'm not sure about the Stampeders yet.
• 1:05:55
  I'm still not sure.
• 1:05:56
  I'm still not 100 % sold that this is a good team.
• 1:05:59
  I think they're a good team.
• 1:06:00
  I don't know necessarily they're a great team, and I don't know that they're that much better than three other teams.
• 1:06:06
  They're so I'm not sold that they're a lock for second place.
• 1:06:11
  I think they could, they still have to play BC twice.
• 1:06:14
  You know, they still have to play Saskatchewan again.
• 1:06:17
  They still have to play Edmonton three times, I think.
• 1:06:20
  So there's lots of room for them to fall.
• 1:06:24
  Lots of room.
• 1:06:25
  is that, but, but it all comes down to what are they as a team?
• 1:06:29
  And again, my, my pick them has been crap this year.
• 1:06:33
  So what I know doesn't really carry a lot of weight, but I said last week, I really feel like that Calgary team that we saw a week ago was the most authentic version of the
• 1:06:47
  Calgary team I've seen yet.
• 1:06:48
  They didn't win on a lot of hype and emotion.
• 1:06:52
  didn't.
• 1:06:52
  fall because they had people out, they won with a solid game.
• 1:06:56
  They made mistakes, but one with a solid game.
• 1:06:58
  And that, if that's the Calgary team that's there, I think they can hang with the other three or four good teams in the league without too much trouble.
• 1:07:08
  Any, any given Sunday, they might get blown out or they might blow one of them out, but on average they're, they're right close.
• 1:07:15
  uh Well, yeah.
• 1:07:17
  Dear, why not?
• 1:07:19
  There was one more.
• 1:07:20
  to have a five hour episode this week.
• 1:07:22
  Montreal flew out to BC and lost a game and a quarterback and a bunch of other stuff.
• 1:07:28
  Montreal 18 at BC 36.
• 1:07:31
  I've got to start this one with a quick mea culpa here.
• 1:07:39
  I hope I didn't cause anyone to miss the game last week.
• 1:07:42
  I said it was a late game at seven and it wasn't, it was at four o'clock.
• 1:07:45
  The time zones got me.
• 1:07:48
  But other than that, GT, how would you like to tell us?
• 1:07:51
  Were you still paying attention for this game?
• 1:07:53
  What did you think?
• 1:07:54
  was, it was interesting, I thought, because it was close.
• 1:07:58
  then in the second half, you know, BC just started to pull away and pull away and pull away.
• 1:08:04
  And again, too bad that Caleb Evans got injured.
• 1:08:08
  That was really unfortunate.
• 1:08:09
  It did change the game.
• 1:08:11
  again, Morgan looked pretty good throughout, but I thought BC
• 1:08:15
  doesn't have any tape on him.
• 1:08:16
  the first week, know, whenever it's a new quarterback, you have no tape, no film on the guy that allows, you usually play off because you don't know where he's going to go.
• 1:08:25
  it's, we'll see how much better or how, if he looks as good this week where Winnipeg will have film on him.
• 1:08:32
  I thought it was interesting him and Betts getting up and jawing at each other almost immediately.
• 1:08:37
  Like Betts did one of those welcome to the CFL kind of things.
• 1:08:49
  .
• 1:08:50
  Maltos-Diaz doinked one.
• 1:08:52
  That was wild that he, that when he's hitting from all the far and then he doinked one off from 24 yards out.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah, it was crazy.
• 1:09:00
  yeah, it was just, again, Rourke looked really good in places.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Once he got over that first interception, it was settled down and looked really good.
• 1:09:10
  That's why say I think BC is, I don't know, we're still not sure, but they can play pretty good football on occasion.
• 1:09:18
  Yeah.
• 1:09:19
  And you have any thoughts on this, Grizz?
• 1:09:22
  Yeah, well, I kind of like the way the game went.
• 1:09:26
  I want BC to win just because I like Western teams winning.
• 1:09:29
  I don't know why.
• 1:09:30
  I'm out here.
• 1:09:31
  I think we got a better part of the We got the better side of the league, right?
• 1:09:35
  But anyhow, it stayed an interesting game, even though was kind of one-sided.
• 1:09:45
  know what mean?
• 1:09:45
  It was a little lopsided on the score, I thought.
• 1:09:48
  But it still stayed interesting enough.
• 1:09:50
  That boink thing that went on, they stretched that out for a bit.
• 1:09:53
  I had to chuckle when you just used it.
• 1:09:56
  It brought it back.
• 1:09:58
  Anyhow, yeah.
• 1:09:59
  And that was amazing.
• 1:10:00
  You missed that 24 yards.
• 1:10:03
  Yep.
• 1:10:03
  You know, anybody can do it, I guess, right?
• 1:10:06
  You know, because a lot of times they put it just inside knowingly.
• 1:10:09
  You know, they're just, you know, just because of the angle they're using, right?
• 1:10:13
  So as long as they're inside the, you know, the upright, they're cool, right?
• 1:10:17
  Well, this one time he boinked it, right?
• 1:10:19
  So anyhow, it happens, but...
• 1:10:22
  em
• 1:10:23
  you just how much, how good they have to be to hit as consistently as they do.
• 1:10:28
  Because one little, you miss your toe by a half inch on the ball and that happens.
• 1:10:34
  what they do, game after game is amazing.
• 1:10:37
  Yeah, but once again, like I said earlier in the show here, that Morgan's had some really good throws.
• 1:10:43
  He was throwing really well.
• 1:10:45
  You know what mean?
• 1:10:45
  I thought he had a really really good army, but he played quite well after coming in.
• 1:10:51
  I mean, he probably never thought he'd see field time at all this year, right?
• 1:10:56
  You know what I mean?
• 1:10:57
  And he came in, I just thought he was let down a lot by the receivers.
• 1:11:02
  They should have had some of them, They're right on the money and they just didn't.
• 1:11:06
  I'm not sure if maybe the way the ball's coming in is what they're not used to or what, right?
• 1:11:11
  But they should have had them.
• 1:11:13
  And they would have turned the game around.
• 1:11:16
  Right?
• 1:11:16
  So...
• 1:11:17
  uh
• 1:11:17
  are also down to some of their lower level receivers.
• 1:11:21
  Their top two ones are out.
• 1:11:23
  So, Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  yeah, no, he, mean, he's a fourth round pick originally in the NFL.
• 1:11:32
  So it's not like he has no pedigree at all.
• 1:11:35
  And back, you know, no, it's just, I'm just saying like, this is, we, we don't, you know, they said he's a fourth round pick.
• 1:11:43
  So I mean, it's not like he was a, you know, some guy that was undrafted or whatever and came out of nowhere.
• 1:11:48
  He's had some time in the NFL and he,
• 1:11:51
  And when I listen to the Alouettes podcast, the flight deck guys, even in the preseason, they were raving about him and saying, you know, he could, he's going to be, you know, the
• 1:12:04
  guy eventually, the second guy eventually, and here he is, it's his turn.
• 1:12:08
  So just faster than I think people expected him to.
• 1:12:12
  But there was
• 1:12:13
  there was some expectation there that he could be as good as he was.
• 1:12:16
  We'll just have to see once again, as I say, once he looked right, I agree with you, Graciela, I he looked really good.
• 1:12:22
  I just will have to see whether he can sustain that two or three games once teams have tape on them and see his tendencies and that kind of idea.
• 1:12:31
  Well, if you get some practice time in with the receivers now too, you know, that'll make a big difference, right?
• 1:12:38
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:12:41
  Yeah, for sure.
• 1:12:42
  he didn't, I thought he didn't look completely lost out there.
• 1:12:45
  He made mistakes, but, but he looked a lot better than a lot of backups I've seen come in, especially ones with no playing time.
• 1:12:53
  So who knows?
• 1:12:54
  Yeah.
• 1:12:54
  It could be, he could be another one, you know, like a one or two game wonder, or he may be something that they, they have for the future, but he's not going to be able to help
• 1:13:04
  them too much right now.
• 1:13:06
  I don't think
• 1:13:07
  Yeah.
• 1:13:08
  I'm guessing I could be wrong, but I'm guessing they'll be trying to see how quickly they can get Dukes up to speed on the offense and get him in there.
• 1:13:17
  think they, um think, yeah, it's a short week this week.
• 1:13:20
  Don't they play again on Thursday?
• 1:13:23
  Don't they have a short week?
• 1:13:24
  Yeah, so they have a short week.
• 1:13:26
  So I don't know that Duke still has time.
• 1:13:27
  I would think because he's, this is his second or third year in the system too, Morgan.
• 1:13:31
  It's not his first year in Montreal.
• 1:13:33
  He was there last year.
• 1:13:35
  So he knows the offense.
• 1:13:36
  He's had a chance to do it.
• 1:13:38
  And on a short week, I would suspect they go back to him this week.
• 1:13:42
  And if he performs,
• 1:13:43
  then you're not in any rush for Dukes, but if he doesn't perform, then I would think Dukes will be in there next week.
• 1:13:50
  Yeah, that would make sense to me.
• 1:13:52
  I, you're right with the short week, it's almost impossible, but I still think he would have to really perform above what I would be expecting of him for them not to be trying
• 1:14:02
  to, to at least get those, that experience that Dukes brings with him into the lineup, but they'll see what's going on in practice and they get paid to coach and I don't get paid to
• 1:14:12
  do anything.
• 1:14:12
  you know.
• 1:14:14
  And not enough either.
• 1:14:15
  yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:17
  And I'm overpaid at that.
• 1:14:18
  Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  The last thing that I really had on this game was it's a shame MJ is not with us this week because she would, she would have loved going on about the way TSN locked the camera on
• 1:14:31
  Malto's Diaz after his, after like Gris said, his 20 yard donk.
• 1:14:36
  They were almost up his nostrils.
• 1:14:38
  Yeah, what did I have as my interesting thing here?
• 1:14:44
  the Roarke to McGuinness where he got, where he made the catch and then they called it a fumble that, they called it a fumble when there was like four guys from Montreal
• 1:14:55
  surrounded him.
• 1:14:56
  One of them punched the ball out and then they called it a fumble.
• 1:14:59
  And I was like, they should have whistled that dead.
• 1:15:01
  didn't understand why, because Montreal was holding him up.
• 1:15:04
  It wasn't like he was still fighting for yards.
• 1:15:08
  That should have been whistled dead, in my opinion.
• 1:15:11
  That shouldn't ah have been a fumble and a turnover at all.
• 1:15:16
  So I was surprised at that call.
• 1:15:20
  I've seen them go both ways.
• 1:15:22
  I wouldn't have been surprised either way with it.
• 1:15:24
  I don't know what the standard is on how long you allow a play to go on when it doesn't appear to be happening anymore.
• 1:15:32
  Well, you think it should have been a catch and they just stopped him dead?
• 1:15:35
  That's all once he caught it.
• 1:15:37
  I see.
• 1:15:37
  Okay.
• 1:15:38
  because they were holding him up.
• 1:15:40
  It wasn't like if he's still fighting for extra yards, then I can see that to me that's, you know, that the play is still going on.
• 1:15:49
  But once they're holding him up, that's your your the play is stopped.
• 1:15:53
  You can't go anywhere.
• 1:15:54
  It's not, know, so you should have been the should have been whistled dead at that point to my in my opinion.
• 1:15:59
  And they shouldn't have had the opportunity then to kick and it out of his hands.
• 1:16:03
  Yeah, Punch it free.
• 1:16:05
  Yeah, I see.
• 1:16:06
  All right.
• 1:16:07
  I, I would, I hesitate to try and weigh in on this too much because at one point in my coaching career, a very similar situation with a, what I called a fast whistle cost us a
• 1:16:18
  championship game one year when we stripped the guy and picked it up and returned it for touchdown.
• 1:16:24
  And they said, no, no, So anyway, the last thing I was going to say is, you you
• 1:16:30
  You both mentioned how it was really the second half and especially the fourth quarter that the game just ran away from Montreal completely.
• 1:16:38
  And I think, I think that was just accumulation of it being sort of a longer trip and the defense being on the field as much as they were.
• 1:16:47
  Because earlier on when they were getting pressure, if they could get Rourke on the move, he looked shaky.
• 1:16:53
  He did have the one interception and he made a couple of throws that didn't go bad, but they were not the.
• 1:16:58
  They were against the quarterback rule book about where you throw a ball when you're rolling right and stuff.
• 1:17:04
  But by the end of the game, they just didn't have it on them.
• 1:17:06
  They couldn't get the pressure on them.
• 1:17:09
  I'm smiling because I believe you said the exact same thing two weeks ago when BC or three weeks ago when BC won and you were like, so it might look shaky, but he seems to make it
• 1:17:19
  work.
• 1:17:19
  Okay.
• 1:17:20
  Well, he did, but like I say, there was one time at least that he didn't.
• 1:17:24
  you know, it's a, that, that's the thing with it.
• 1:17:26
  It's how much can you get there with it?
• 1:17:28
  And it may not make the difference at all uh, but that is, that's the only thing that I can see that you can sort of count against his play right now I don't want to be unkind to
• 1:17:39
  him, but I get the feeling that he does need to take the
• 1:17:44
  the next step of knowing that there's the odd time when either you just accept that sack or you run out of bounds without trying to make the, the, the miracle throw down the
• 1:17:55
  sidelines.
• 1:17:55
  He reminds me of VA three or four years ago like that.
• 1:17:58
  And VA has learned not to do that now.
• 1:18:01
  and really it's, his second year.
• 1:18:04
  Legitimately, legitimately it's his second year, right?
• 1:18:08
  So, you know, I'm sure he played a little bit last year and, he only, you know, you had that end of last year in the beginning of 2022 together, that's one year and then this
• 1:18:17
  year.
• 1:18:17
  So he is still learning a lot.
• 1:18:20
  And yeah, you're right.
• 1:18:20
  He's got to mature and get better, but they're,
• 1:18:23
  But yeah, you can see the growth will be there, I think.
• 1:18:27
  And as he's gotten better, I think this year from the beginning to now, for sure.
• 1:18:33
  Yeah.
• 1:18:33
  I, I, I've had people accuse me of being a Rourke hater, but I'm not.
• 1:18:38
  just, I try to take an unbiased view.
• 1:18:40
  Trust me.
• 1:18:40
  Like I said, this weekend, fantasy, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.
• 1:18:43
  We're going to have lots of Rourke on the team and Hatcher and McGinnis, Butler, and then whoever else they can afford.
• 1:18:52
  So that's, I think covers up the week.
• 1:18:55
  The other thing we do here at Grizz now is we, we have to pick for the games next week.
• 1:18:59
  And as the guest.
• 1:19:00
  cohost, you're picking for MJ.
• 1:19:03
  So whatever you pick goes on her record.
• 1:19:05
  I don't know if you've watched the show, if you think that she's an impressive person, you'll want to do good by her.
• 1:19:11
  If you feel like stabbing her in the back, you still have that option.
• 1:19:14
  I certainly wouldn't do that.
• 1:19:16
  I'm not that stab in the back kind of person.
• 1:19:18
  Regardless if I'd watched it, but unfortunately, no, I haven't had the opportunity.
• 1:19:22
  And I'm going to start paying more attention to that, honestly.
• 1:19:26
  um
• 1:19:29
  you the opportunity by not showing up this week, you know, so it's on her, whatever you feel like.
• 1:19:37
  Yeah, we'll go through them and yeah, we'll go through them.
• 1:19:40
  What we do here is we each do our individual picks and we've got an internal sort of competition for the season to see how we end up.
• 1:19:49
  But then whatever we agree on the majority of, we put that into the CFL Pick'em and we see how we do there at the end of the season too.
• 1:19:57
  So...
• 1:19:57
  well I hope I don't let her down, but um, okay I'm gonna write them down just for my own information.
• 1:20:03
  So I can't get caught in my own lie.
• 1:20:06
  Yeah.
• 1:20:08
  So we start, like you said, GT, it's a short week for Montreal all the way back from BC.
• 1:20:13
  Winnipeg's going into Montreal.
• 1:20:15
  Hmm.
• 1:20:15
  I'm gonna pick Winnipeg on that one.
• 1:20:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:20
  Yeah.
• 1:20:21
  yeah, it makes most sense.
• 1:20:23
  It kind of got to go Winnipeg.
• 1:20:25
  But it's it's not 100 % what's the word with low confidence?
• 1:20:30
  Is that is that the term we're using?
• 1:20:32
  Yeah, Winnipeg with low confidence.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah.
• 1:20:35
  They back in the day on Pick 'em there used to be, you had to set your confidence level between zero and a hundred.
• 1:20:41
  And this would be a one, but yeah, I'll go with Winnipeg too.
• 1:20:44
  I just, I don't know.
• 1:20:46
  I could easily see that.
• 1:20:48
  And then we get the next day, which will be an interesting thing in a, in a few ways, cause it's Edmonton out at Ottawa.
• 1:20:56
  It's looking like Drew will be out.
• 1:20:58
  he's missed the first two days of practice and,
• 1:21:02
  Bob Dice, sorry, losing my mind there.
• 1:21:04
  Bob Dice has said he doesn't expect him back.
• 1:21:06
  He's not ruled out, but he doesn't expect him back this weekend.
• 1:21:09
  So it's Edmonton in Ottawa against, I'm guessing, Crum Yeah.
• 1:21:17
  I'm definitely going go with Edmonton.
• 1:21:19
  I'm definitely an Elks fan, but I still think we could beat Ottawa anyhow.
• 1:21:25
  They're not doing that great.
• 1:21:26
  I think we're on a bit of a roll.
• 1:21:29
  I think Edmonton stands a good chance anyhow.
• 1:21:32
  Yeah, I...
• 1:21:33
  I agree with you.
• 1:21:33
  I think this is Edmonton's game to lose.
• 1:21:35
  If they lose, can't see them.
• 1:21:38
  don't know why they would lose because Ottawa just is not that good right now.
• 1:21:42
  Unless, again, Justin Hardy has this outstanding game and scores three touchdowns somehow.
• 1:21:47
  That's the only way to do it.
• 1:21:48
  I can't see them.
• 1:21:49
  can't see them.
• 1:21:51
  Yes, and I'll go along with the two of you on this as well.
• 1:21:55
  I'm going with Edmonton on it.
• 1:21:56
  I'm not absolutely certain because again, it's a weird year.
• 1:22:01
  to tell you the truth, it's been hard to tell with Edmonton what they are because of the level of competition they've played against.
• 1:22:08
  And they went in against the Riders and almost came back and won that game.
• 1:22:15
  They went against
• 1:22:16
  Toronto and they did win it, but it wasn't that much necessarily that much more impressive a game.
• 1:22:23
  know, so I think that they, I'm happy for them.
• 1:22:28
  They're on the roll.
• 1:22:29
  I think they should win this weekend, how they perform against Calgary in the Labor Day game.
• 1:22:35
  That I think is going to give at least me a, a better read on where are they really at?
• 1:22:41
  Are they.
• 1:22:42
  a team that's learned from what they've done wrong in this season and can still try and get into the playoffs and if they get in maybe make it work or are they just riding a bit
• 1:22:53
  of a mirage.
• 1:22:54
  always been a tough win for Edmonton on the Labor Day game.
• 1:22:57
  But they've done it once in a while, so we'll see.
• 1:22:59
  have it, but even besides the Labor Day part of it, just the fact that Calgary is a legitimate test and you know that.
• 1:23:07
  so even if they lose to Calgary, but they lose by, under a touchdown.
• 1:23:12
  Yeah.
• 1:23:13
  Then that says good things for them.
• 1:23:15
  Anyway, the next one, the, we go into the Saturday morning game, I guess.
• 1:23:21
  Yeah.
• 1:23:21
  Early game on Saturday.
• 1:23:23
  BC goes into Toronto.
• 1:23:24
  What I've got labeled here is fantasy feasting day and I'll take BC.
• 1:23:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely a BC game.
• 1:23:34
  Yeah, I'm not picking Toronto again until they prove me wrong.
• 1:23:38
  I'm just not picking them ever until they, I'm done with them, as I said.
• 1:23:42
  So yeah, it's uh BC's game.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  And I'm, uh, I I've been doing fairly well with a lot of teams for some reason, for some reason, it seems to me that it's Calgary and Ottawa that messed me up.
• 1:23:58
  No matter what I pick there, I get it wrong.
• 1:24:00
  So the weeks I liked best were the weeks where Calgary were playing Ottawa.
• 1:24:03
  Cause I could only get one game wrong there.
• 1:24:05
  Whereas every other week I was getting them both wrong.
• 1:24:08
  anyway, so we're going and then, but that takes us to the.
• 1:24:12
  The game that everybody says is going to tell us a lot about the West.
• 1:24:16
  It might, I don't know, it might just tell us what's happening on one specific day.
• 1:24:20
  Saskatchewan goes into Calgary and I will declare early to keep inner peace with the fellow I share my brain with.
• 1:24:28
  It's close enough.
• 1:24:29
  I'll take Saskatchewan.
• 1:24:31
  So I'm getting a break here.
• 1:24:32
  don't the Hamilton's gotta buy and I don't got to to to pick them just because MJ would like me to.
• 1:24:41
  Because I was expecting to say.
• 1:24:43
  Yeah.
• 1:24:44
  You skated through that one.
• 1:24:49
  All right.
• 1:24:49
  Well, you know, you've got a guy that lives in your head.
• 1:24:54
  I've got one too.
• 1:24:55
  Unfortunately, mine's not quite as confident, but I'm still going to go Calgary.
• 1:25:01
  I still am going to go Calgary.
• 1:25:03
  So
• 1:25:06
  I gotta go with Calgary too, I think actually.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah.
• 1:25:10
  The outsiders will be taking Calgary in the official Pick'em.
• 1:25:16
  Alright.
• 1:25:17
  And I have a feeling MJ would have said something about a VA vibe and picked Calgary anyway.
• 1:25:23
  So I think things stayed true here.
• 1:25:25
  Yeah.
• 1:25:26
  Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  So.
• 1:25:29
  Well, that's it.
• 1:25:31
  We're about at the end.
• 1:25:32
  What do you think for your first opportunity, Grizz?
• 1:25:35
  Did you enjoy it?
• 1:25:36
  Well, I absolutely enjoyed it.
• 1:25:38
  I hope I did all right with my uh little bit of input.
• 1:25:41
  You know, but I know I quite enjoyed it.
• 1:25:43
  Maybe one time you'll have me back again if I get the opportunity, you know, to have a host.
• 1:25:49
  You have two standbys already, but you know, I'd be more than willing to come back on.
• 1:25:54
  It was a lot of fun.
• 1:25:56
  It was a real lot of fun.
• 1:25:57
  and definitely we are, we have one standby.
• 1:26:00
  have MJ too.
• 1:26:02
  So between her and you, if you, if you're, if you're willing to come back, I would love to have you back.
• 1:26:08
  It's great to get a different opinion from, know, just the different point of view in the league I thought you did pretty damn good here.
• 1:26:14
  There was some stumbling around in that, but wait till you hear the edit.
• 1:26:17
  I can get pretty good at taking some of that stuff out.
• 1:26:19
  All right.
• 1:26:20
  That's good.
• 1:26:21
  Yeah.
• 1:26:23
  There's times I can almost make myself sound intelligent, so that's amazing.
• 1:26:27
  All right, all right on.
• 1:26:31
  Cool.
• 1:26:33
  Well, thank you very much for the opportunity.
• 1:26:36
  Both of you.
• 1:26:36
  It was a good time.
• 1:26:38
  Yes.
• 1:26:38
  We normally, those, if anybody does social media, we give them a chance to say where people can find them if they want to follow them on here.
• 1:26:46
  And other than that, any other closing thoughts you had?
• 1:26:50
  Uh, no, I'm gonna skip the social media thing.
• 1:26:53
  Other than, I am on Facebook, but not under that name.
• 1:26:57
  Yeah, well, hey, we can keep things as private as we want here.
• 1:27:01
  Yeah, no, if they want to find me on Facebook, you can't miss the face.
• 1:27:06
  Yeah.
• 1:27:06
  Okay.
• 1:27:07
  Yeah.
• 1:27:07
  Well, that's it.
• 1:27:08
  I was going to say I occasionally get requests to blur faces on here, but it's usually the fans asking me to blur my own out.
• 1:27:14
  So.
• 1:27:15
  I see.
• 1:27:18
  No, I'm okay with the face.
• 1:27:20
  thoughts?
• 1:27:21
  ah No, I'm looking forward to this weekend and in the next uh little week, weeks, next three weeks, I think manages a uh lot of the rest of the season, just pulling up the
• 1:27:31
  standings and having a quick look at it.
• 1:27:33
  It's getting tight in the West when you look at it and then you look at the schedule and the next three weeks are going to really tighten up the West and look at the crossover to
• 1:27:43
  the East.
• 1:27:44
  So I'm thinking it's going to be real interesting in the next little while.
• 1:27:48
  And as always,
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  For the occasional time you can find me at GT Barnum on Blue Sky.
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  Okay, great.
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  Yeah, it's we're officially halfway through the season.
• 1:28:00
  Week 11 out of 21, I guess a little past halfway and it seems to me like we just started.
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  I'm always amazed at the way the season flies by.
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  But thank you to the both of you.
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  Thank you to everybody out there for joining in.
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• 1:28:20
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• 1:28:26
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• 1:29:16
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