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Mikhaila Peterson and Lauren Chen Opine on the "Red Pill" Community | Maintaining Frame 74 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honeybadger Radio. My name is Brian. I'm
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  here with Alison and this is maintaining frame number seventy four. We're gonna be
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  looking at a video where it's a Mikayla Peterson's channel. Mikhayla Peterson is the
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  daughter of Jordan B. Peterson, and she has I guess she does a
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  podcast. I don't really watch it. I know that it's mostly about It
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  started off as something about the carnivore diet, which she has a lot to
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  talk about in that regard, but she's been getting on other guests and stuff
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  and probably has more to do with her proximity to Jordan Peterson. Not that
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  I'm throwing shade, because I'm not. I don't know enough about Mikayla to
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  form an opinion, and I keep her separate from her father in terms of,
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  like, you know, anything that I would expect anyway, she's what
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  it's not really, I don't think it's anything particularly earth shattering to say that
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  she's probably getting attention because of her father. Yeah, I don't think that's
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  No, I don't think that's controversial. I mean that's what I'm I'm kind
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  of saying that and sure, but I think, you know, also it
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  was helpful that she was kind of like bringing this this diet because that's kind
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  of what I think put her, you know, gives her a little niche,
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  right, is her diet. But anyway, so she's been getting on
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  other guests and doing the rounds and like. So she's did this recent I
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  guess you could say, podcast discussion with Lauren Chen, who you may have
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  known from her past life as Roaming Millennial when she was on YouTube, well
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  when she was on YouTube when we found her, I guess you could say,
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  and Roaming was sort of like the counter to Lacey Green if you guys
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  remember Lacey Green. And now she's Lauren Chen. She worked for the Blades
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  for a while. Now she's doing her own thing because she had some I
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  guess differences with them. I don't know if they were business or ideological,
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  it doesn't really matter. But Lauren Chen's been talking about dating stuff. We
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  responded to her last time on the last rant Zerker and maintaining Frame with Karen
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  I think it was we did two maybe two episodes on that, but I
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  know we did talk about it. But this is her on Mikhayla Peterson,
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  and this morning I did a stream over on the gaming channel Badger Arcade.
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  Wasn't really this morning, it was more like in the afternoon, but just
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  a short one, and I asked the people that were watching between two videos
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  that we had, which one they preferred, and they voted for this one.
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  The other one was a Chris Williamson lip, which I think we could
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  definitely talk about at another show because it's also good. They talk a bit
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  about ginocentrism in that, and Chris Williamson expresses disdain for the term or the
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  concept of gynocentrism, so I'd be interested to see what his thoughts are on
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  that, on that concept. So anyway, he didn't look into it a
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  little bit more I watched. I watched the clip, but it was just
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  an eight minute clip, and he seems I think what is his problem is
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  is that he doesn't disagree that there is like, you know, something to
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  it, but I think that he doesn't like that it's kind of like an
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  overused explanation or you know, men's prioritization of women. So it's sort of
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  a blanket thing because you know, like like for example, patriarchy, when
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  you actually get drill down into the word patriarchy, you can. It's basically
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  synonymous with society. Let's be frank, like, there isn't a society where
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  men don't lead, even matrilinear societies like ancient Egypt. The pharaoh, you
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  know, the you know, the son became the ruler because of his mother,
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  but he was still the pharaoh. You know, men leading, And
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  even if you go into other social species, it's generally still the males who
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  are in charge and that they take responsibility for territory protection. They they choose
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  often where people who get who gets what food, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Although having said that, generally they are in charge on behest of the
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  females of the group. So for example, in chimpanzee groups, there will
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  be a dominant male or dominant coalition of men of males men, but the
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  female chimpanzees if that coalition or dominant male runs like it doesn't doesn't, they'd
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  start to not be appreciate them. I don't know how to describe it without
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  I think I know, yeah, like if the females just aren't satisfied with
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  the male leadership, then they're gone, Like they don't they don't continue to
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  have power. They very rapidly lose their power. So it's men in charge,
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  but generally women are the ones doing the selecting to some degree and the
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  maintaining of that power. So that that's pretty much bog standard for social mammals.
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  It's bog standard for human society. So when feminists say, oh,
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  men in power, they're basically patriarchy is men in positions of power. They're
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  basically saying society. So we live in a society society, folks. We
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  don't just live in a society. We live in a society. Society.
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  Society we're talking about. Well, it's like, yeah, well it's when
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  when feminists say we live in a patriarchal society, what they're saying is we
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  live in a society society. He's not adding anything. It's not adding we
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  live in we live in just we live in a society, you know.
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  That's That's all they're saying. It's a meaningless, vacuous term. And so
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  what they try to add to it is that, you know, we live
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  in a society run by men for the benefit of men. Of course they
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  won't. I have spent twenty years arguing with feminists and whatever you try to
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  nail them for actually believing that the society is run for the benefit of men
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  at the expense of women, they will shuck and job. Have you seen
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  this? You've seen this on Twitter? When I do this, right,
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  when I have these arguments with feminists, I mean I've in passing, yeah,
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  but little bit. Yeah. I have argued with feminists for twenty years,
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  and they will shock and jibe over over taking accountability for saying that we
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  live in a society not just run by men, but run for the benefit
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  of men at the expense of women, which that is the difficult thing for
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  them to prove, because they can't prove it's been disproven multiple times. They're
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  all the evidence out there suggests that when men are in power, they do
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  not use it to benefit other men. They use it to enforce roles of
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  sacrifice on other men, usually for the protection and provision of women or society
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  in general. So they're not using their power to benefit other men. They're
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  using it to protect and provide for society. The main beneficiaries are of course
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  women, and that's just plain obvious, because you can't have a society if
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  you're not giving resource and protection to the people who are giving birth to next
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  generation. It's counterproductive, Like, that's why society exists, guys. It
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  exists to give protection and provision for women so they can produce the next generation.
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  And I know there are a few people in the men's issue sphere who
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  are screaming their heads off at me saying that this is the case. But
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  a termite mound doesn't exist except to protect and provide for the queen. Right
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  when you have these helpless, relatively helpless females during the process of gestation and
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  giving birth and lactation, then you see this kind of allopathic like like all
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  of this the society coming together to protect and provide for them so that they
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  can do the process of reproduction. And that is so, that's it,
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  Like feminists, this is what they say. So they say that patriarchy,
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  and what they don't want to admit to is their additional allegation that not just
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  men are in power, which is a fatuous observation that might as well be
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  society as a society, but that also men use that power to benefit themselves
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  with the expensive women. They just want to use the implication of that without
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  being responsible for actually proving it with which they can't. All right, Sorry,
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  I was just and but to go back to ginocentrism. The relationship between
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  that is, we have a ginocentrism that is sort of the result of putting
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  men in power or having men take positions of more overt agency. So there's
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  the gynocentral the natural gynocentrism of providing and protecting for women, providing and protecting
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  for women because they produce the next generation. Then there's also the more like
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  the economic gynocentrism of providing and protecting for women because they're the logistics of society
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  in many cases, so they're providing a lot of the food, low steady
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  food production, which is really critical. I know that on the Anthropologist we
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  talked to on Pearls podcast that we did last week, but I don't know
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  when it's going out. He said that male hunters are more feast and famine,
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  but you know, the meat is necessary. That may be the case,
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  but women as gatherers are more consistent in their production of food, so
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  that is really critical to maintain. So we have like the economic ginocentrism,
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  which is in the past because women were so important to making sure people had
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  water, had heating, had shelter, had grain because women were doing like
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  twelve hours a day grinding grain in the ancient past, which had an effect
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  on their skeletal structure. You can see that when you look at that that
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  they had the arms of Olympic rowers. So there's that economic ginocentrism that women's
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  work is so central to the economy that you need to protect them so they
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  can do that work. You need to give them a relatively peaceful and quiet
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  area to do their thing, which is usually the home. So that economic
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  ginocentrims and that genetic kind of centrism, And then there's this kind of social
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  guido centrism when you put people. When you perceive that men have more agency
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  than women, you are less inclined to care about their vulnerabilities. Like when
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  you see somebody as strong, you don't recognize them as vulnerable. And furthermore,
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  even if you do recognize them as vulnerable, it tends to lower them
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  in your estimation so that you don't think that you should have to take care
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  of them. So if you hold someone to a standard of strength and they
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  fail to live up to that standard of strength and have vulnerabilities, you consider
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  them to be disposable, which is sort of like a social guynocentrism. And
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  then we have like an emotional gynocentrism, which I think our society is really
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  going ham with, which is just this idea that men somehow need to give
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  women's self actualization. Which what that's really it's really like the most impossible position
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  for men to be in. It's something that I think telled I mentioned a
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  Teal dere and Teal Deer sort of refined into we've we've given women so much
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  resources throughout history, and at this point we're we're thinking of rights as yet
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  another resource to give women. So it's and it's like and it's never ending.
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  It's a never ending search for the social elevation of women. And that's
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  that kind of guide of centrism, that kind of almost emotional, uh philosophical
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  kind of centrism that I think we're sort of digging to the very base of.
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  So like there's a different kinds and I think people don't really specify,
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  they just use it in a very general way. Yeah anyway, but but
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  I just let's let's continue because that's not really what we're talking about right now.
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  Yeah. No, I was just uh setting up. Oh, actually,
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  don't have to pick up Lindsay today. He's getting right home so I
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  can do the patron show. I already moved it up because I'm also like,
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  I might as well tell you guys, I'm also doing like we we
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  put on a little uh a viewing through the for the through the Writers Retreat,
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  which is like a patron group that's within the discord. The viewing itself
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  is available to anybody who just joins the discord, so it's freeline. Yeah,
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  just go through. If so, we're going to be watching one of
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  the episodes of I Guess That Christie's Peroo and it's a mystery show. It's
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  like a really classic mystery. Yes, yes she is. She is the
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  best selling author in all of fiction and all of human history, by the
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  way, Yes, the like just fiction anything, SI's fiction, fantasy,
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  romance, mysteries, horror, thriller, fiction, period best selling. Which
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  one of you patriarchs allowed her to make books and be this successful? Where
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  are we holding her back? Dude? Do you guys? Let one slip
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  through the cracks, Agatha Christy, Yeah, get on that, get on
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  that. Yeah, tell her she's friends with Doctor Seuss. That'll get her
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  canceled. Okay, but she's Yeah, I've been. We've been reviewing her
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  her writing, and honestly, she has. She has the way that she
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  structures her stories, she deserves to be the best spelling writer of all time.
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  Yeah, even when Woe Hollywood gets its frickin fingers into her storytelling,
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  it still is good. Yeah. I was gonna say, though, I
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  think that those Kenneth Brannaw films like Murder on the Orient exp and then there
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  was a new one that just came out that that are these hercules. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, those I think that from what I've heard, those
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  are not really woke. I think they're just uh, you know, more
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  or less. I don't know, though, I don't know. There might
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  have been there might be some swaps in there, but you can't really if
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  that's the extent of what they can do. It's probably annoying, but it
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  doesn't as long as like the story is the same. I mean, I
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  don't know, really take any liberties with that. No, like the stories,
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  it's really difficult to as long as you keep two the way that they're
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  they're set put together, it's really difficult to destroy these stories. For some
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  reason, I can oh yet, No, there you are, thank you.
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  Yeah, so it is anyway, so we've been we've been viewing Agatha
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  So before we get started, I do have some well you said it's
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  super super Child super chows, so I'm gonna go ahead and go through those.
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  Thank you. Vecsorum, the vein for twenty dollars, gives us a
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  super chowl. I guess this was earlier today and says, leave a little
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  light to show that you were there. Leave a little light to show that
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  you care. Leave a little light to shine another's way. Leave a little
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  light you might need it someday. Is that a song? I don't know
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  the song. He's not by a poem. It's definitely poetic, it's definitely
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  amped. After the Friday Show, definitely said prose. Yeah, this was
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  a tip for the Friday Show. This was on the twenty first so and
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  then loll maintaining frame seventy two, which I think is the one about the
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  the non binary individuals that were clearly excluded and experienced the most severe form of
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  bigger tree and exclusion from the women's supposed women's Tech conference. And he said
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  for ten dollars. In normal life, my pronouns are he him. When
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  I talk with HR, my pronouns are she her. If corporations refuse to
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  accept this gender fluidity, then they are on the wrong side of history.
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  Indeed, smiley face, I think that is that like sunglasses smiley I think
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  that's the sunglasses smiley face by a future so bright, I gotta wear shades.
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  You know what. I accept you as a proud, a stunning,
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  proud and brave gender fluid person, person of pronoun. So there you go.
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  You live your reality, yes, day to day male, But for
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  the purposes of legal documentation, you know, any kind of court hearing or
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  dealing with HR female, I think that's not just gender fluid, it's gender
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  practical. Yes, it's we shouldn't even call it fluid. We should just
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  call it standard. And if HR gives you trouble, just tell them to
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  go to go to college and learn something about science and and stop trying to
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  push their their dark age beliefs on you. So anyway, Fluffy Goat gives
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  us fifty dollars. Thank you, Fluffy Goat and says, thank you badgers
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  for all you do. You're not screaming into the void. Well that's nice
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  to know. And then we are the wood. Well, yeah, maybe
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  we are the void. And then Richard Pierre just now gave us five dollars
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  and says, so giving the vote to women is causing our civilization to revert
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  to chimpanzee society. This might be one of the best arguments for a pea
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  than the Nineteenth Amendment. I disavow. I do not want to oppress women
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  more than they've already. Maybe giving them the vote is oppression because it forces
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  them to make choices they shouldn't have to make. Maybe we can make the
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  case that the vote is patriarchy. Uh well, I think well they still
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  say that despite the fact that women are a super majority voter, that doesn't
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  matter. We still live in a patriarchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  they made all the decisions, but yeah, we still live in a patriarchyre
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  there's no vagina in the oval office. So giving the vote to women is
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  causing our civilization to revert to chimpins. No, no, no, no.
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  The point is that in every single situation where men in charge or males
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  are in charge, it's usually women or females deciding whether or not they maintain
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  in charge. And also usually when the males are responsible for protecting something,
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  there's what they are protecting are the females by definition, So the point is
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  that we have never lived in a patriarchy of feminist imaginings. That's not to
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  say a situation where men in a charge, but a situation in which men
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  are in charge and use their power to benefit themselves and other men at the
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  expense of women, maybe themselves. You might make the argument that they benefit
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  themselves. However, even kings had to go to war, even generals died
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  in war, so they weren't benefiting all that much, all right, So
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  okay, next, all right? And then Richard Bierre gives us another five
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  dollars and says, although in the face of societal collapse and degradation, then
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  perhaps and our strategy of mating might become necessary to prevent a species from going
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  extinct. Perhaps think our strategy is the rapid strategy, like, yeah,
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  the rabbit strategy, Like you make lots of kids in the hopes that some
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  of them will be fit enough to survive, and you don't really you don't
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  really take care of you don't, Yeah, you don't really invest in them
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  if you think about it, if you think about it, uh, a
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  k strategy. The the existence of a paternal instinct is by definition a a
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  species that invests in a case strategy. If you think about it, because
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  the offspring of a species with a case with with males investing in the offspring,
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  are gonna I mean, you're gonna see double the investment, right,
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  so and and human beings are the ultimate K strategy creature because our children are
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  absurd, like our our reproductive lifestyle, like life cycle is actually really insanely
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  difficult. Yeah, people don't realize that, but our children are like their
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  their growth is geometric and their ability to like their their ability to move does
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  does not increase at the same rate. So for example, when a a
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  herbivore gives birth to its offspring, usually they can run the same day as
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  they as the birth as the day that they're birthed, right, Some animals
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  like cats and puppies they have our dogs they have or wolves they have puppies
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  and they can't do much of anything. But cats have colonies and wolves have
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  packs, so it's like there there's there is some collective child rearing there,
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  and what with humans and also with cats. With cats and wolves, they're
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  their offspring or are able to basically take their place in the in the community
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  at about a year. But human beings, they're heavy as hell. A
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  kid can't even reliably keep up with a group of adults even at like a
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  slow walk, till they're like seven years old. It's insane and honestly like
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  raising a human is quite a feat, and it seems easier because we basically
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  control the all of the environments and we make our nests huge like our our
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  our reproductive layers are like kilometers in size, tens and tens of kilometers in
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  size. So we don't even recognize that anymore. But when we're talking about
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  when we evolved, it must have been it's pretty insane that we managed to
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  live with that kind of a reproductive life cycle. But anyway, I'm this
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  is a long digression, so let's get back to bit. Yeah, okay,
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  so I think it's all right. I think that's all of the super
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  chows yep. And so we're gonna go to the video and I'm gonna put
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  I forgot to turn on JoJo's camera, so because he is laying here with
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  me, Lindsay's not here. If Lindsay's here, he won't be in the
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  room with me. But if she's not, then he'll lay in here just
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  to make sure I'm not dying like i'm you know, I'm in his sight.
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  So he looks like he's sleeping, but he's not. He's very alert.
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  Okay, anyway, so let's get into the video. This is I'm
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  jumping up though, fortunately, and I love it when people do this,
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  because this whole thing is like an hour long, but Mikayla has it cut
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  up into what do you call it sections? I guess you could say timestamps.
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  So she's got a timestamp here towards the end that's entitled Opinions on the
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  Red Pill Community. So I'm playing it kind of like just before that because
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  it starts in the middle of a sentence that Lauren is saying, so and
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  that is from a section called figuring out what makes You Happy? So let's
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  go ahead and play this clip. I saw someone online posting that, like
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  eighty percent of divorces are initiated by women, and it's even worse for college
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  educated women. It's ninety percent of divorces. Like therefore, like, don't
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  marry someone who like, don't marry a woman who's gone to college. She's
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  like ninety percent chance she's going to leave you. And it's like, actually,
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  college educated women are much less likely to get divorced than women who've only
• 27:40
  gone to high school. They're the differs between saying that ninety percent of college
• 27:44
  educated women who are married get divorced versus of divorces that happen with college educated
• 27:48
  women, ninety percent of them are initiated. Like, that's a different thing.
• 27:52
  And there's also research going into why divorces are initiated in the first place,
• 27:56
  and one of the top reasons is infidelity. I think it's pretty hard
• 28:00
  to argue that the person who cheated is not the one who is responsible for
• 28:04
  ending the marriage rather than the one who simply submitted the paperwork for it.
• 28:07
  Like, well, I think that I know a guy. Uh, And
• 28:15
  I know this is just an anecdote, but I should put it out there.
• 28:18
  So I think what's being suggested here is that when we talk about the
• 28:26
  divorce rate, but more specifically who initiates divorce, most of the time it's
• 28:32
  women. And there I don't know what the data on the reasons for it
• 28:41
  is because I think that's like a shift. Maybe that's a movie target.
• 28:44
  But I know a guy, this is my anecdote, who was married to
• 28:49
  a woman. They had two kids. I was actually friends with his ex
• 28:53
  wife longer, Like I've known her since I was like in my early twenties,
• 29:00
  and we were very you know, we knew each other very well.
• 29:03
  We hung out together, did all kinds of stuff. And then she met
• 29:07
  this guy and I immediately liked him. Thought he was, you know,
• 29:11
  just a really cool dude. I spent time with and they then they get
• 29:15
  married. I went to their wedding. They had two kids, you know,
• 29:18
  I watched them grow. And then, like not that long ago,
• 29:22
  literally, like the Cassie Jay's The Red Pill came out and I was just
• 29:29
  trying to get all my friends to watch it because I wanted them to get
• 29:32
  an idea of what I do. And I know that like when I talk
• 29:36
  about it, it's not easy for people to swallow. And this is back
• 29:41
  when I was just getting into it. So I was talking about pretty basic
• 29:44
  stuff like you know, false rape allegations, divorce, child custody, you
• 29:49
  know, things like that, just basic stuff that is not it's not that
• 29:55
  deep. And I went I remember Lindsay and I I was Lindsay and we
• 30:00
  went to a pizza place in Chicago and I was hanging out with my friend
• 30:06
  and his wife and we were just you know, hanging out like normal.
• 30:10
  But then he brings up the movie. He's like, oh man, I
• 30:14
  watched The Red Pill. I thought it was so great, and I'm like,
• 30:17
  I'm sitting there with with and he's pointing to his wife. I'm sitting
• 30:19
  there with her, and I'm like, look, see see, And she
• 30:23
  was kind of like weird about it, like you know, I thought it
• 30:26
  was okay, but I don't know, you know, and kind of like
• 30:30
  hot and cold with her reaction to the red pill, and that kind of
• 30:33
  like set off a little like a bell, like I was okay, Like
• 30:37
  I think that Cassie j was very fair, more than fair in her in
• 30:41
  you know, when she made the film. And my friend, the guy
• 30:45
  I'm not gonna say any names, he was like just got sucked in.
• 30:48
  He was very like you know, drawn to it. He thought it was
• 30:52
  excellent. He thought that there was a lot of really great points made.
• 30:55
  He didn't know about a lot of the research. It opened his eyes to
• 30:59
  stuff. And she was less enthusiastic, like she thought, you know,
• 31:03
  I don't know if this is true, and if it is, I think
• 31:07
  it's like, you know, like he might get upset with me about something
• 31:11
  or whatever, right, And okay, I let it go. I changed
• 31:15
  the subject. We talk about other things, and then like sometime passes,
• 31:18
  a few years pass and I'm talking to him and he just confides in me.
• 31:22
  He's because he's like, I need you to help me find a lawyer.
• 31:26
  And I'm like, what he's like for divorce? And I was like,
• 31:30
  what, You're getting divorced and he was like yeah, and he said
• 31:33
  that we that they had not been happy with each other for a while,
• 31:40
  but what had happened was they had agreed that they were not going to go
• 31:45
  through the process of divorce court and child custody, but that they were going
• 31:48
  to like not bring any lawyers into it and just make a you know,
• 31:53
  like a gentleman's agreement to just go their separate ways. And the reason is
• 32:01
  he has a best friend or had a best friend, and his best friend
• 32:07
  worked in the gaming industry. He was like a journalist, a gaming journalist,
• 32:10
  and the girl, the wife, I was friends with her through that
• 32:14
  hobby. We played young games together and stuff, and she went with him
• 32:19
  to this conference in Vegas. He only had one extra ticket and so he
• 32:23
  said, can I bring your wife? And my friend let her go because
• 32:27
  he trusted her, and something happened there. They basically had an affair,
• 32:31
  and at the end of it, like that guy left his wife and she
• 32:36
  left my friend or the guy I know she left him, and now I
• 32:40
  think they're dating or whatever. I don't know because I don't talk to her
• 32:44
  anymore. And this guy, he said, well, you know, I'm
• 32:47
  I learned. Even though after all of that they agreed they were going to
• 32:51
  go their separate ways, she went and look and filed the papers behind his
• 32:54
  back. So she went to lawyer up on him, and he wasn't prepared.
• 33:00
  So I had to get him in contact with some people. I don't
• 33:02
  remember who I sent him, but at the time I think I directed him
• 33:06
  to NCFM and a Voice for Men. And there was this woman who I
• 33:12
  had interviewed not long ago, well at the time, I had and who
• 33:16
  deals with divorce courts, and I had her on the show. And yeah,
• 33:22
  so she initiated. She was the one that was being that was cheating.
• 33:28
  And so like when when Laurence says, oh, infidelity is a big
• 33:30
  thing, it's like, yeah, but who's who's doing it? Because like,
• 33:36
  you know, that's kind of left out, you know what I mean
• 33:39
  that that's that sort of reminds me about this the study that's doing the realms
• 33:46
  that relationships in which one partner becomes critically ill are more likely to end if
• 33:55
  it's the woman. But there are certain things about that aren't reported. For
• 34:00
  one, we don't it doesn't actually show that men are leaving. It just
• 34:06
  shows that the relationship ends. So it could be the women leaving the men,
• 34:10
  right, and there's lots of reasons why that might be the case.
• 34:15
  Right, Maybe they want with whatever time they have left, they've decided they
• 34:20
  no longer want to be with their partner of however many years, but they
• 34:23
  rather do something else. Or other thing is that when a woman is critically
• 34:30
  ill, because women tend to have part time in a relationship, they're more
• 34:35
  likely to have part time jobs, they're more likely to be doing things at
• 34:38
  home. If they become critically ill, they're male partner not only has to
• 34:44
  take on the role of being a primary provider but also primary support. And
• 34:51
  that's like it's a double weight that gets put on men when a woman gets
• 34:54
  critically ill versus when a man gets critically ill, because usually in crants will
• 35:00
  cover it cover the cost of of taking you know, like time off.
• 35:06
  Yeah, and uh so that's that's one thing. But the other thing is
• 35:12
  that and this is another thing that they don't mention for whatever reason, the
• 35:15
  relationships with the women were shorter in duration than the men's relationships. So for
• 35:22
  no idea why this is six so, but it's actually a really critical point.
• 35:27
  They were comparing relationships of greater duration to relationships that were shorter, and
• 35:34
  it's like, yeah, you can't do that. If you don't control for
• 35:37
  that, then you're not finding much. And they didn't control for it.
• 35:40
  They just mentioned it in passing. Oh, well, this could be some
• 35:44
  you know, could have something to do with it. Well, yeah,
• 35:47
  if you're looking at whether or not a relationship of twenty years falls apart because
• 35:52
  one partner gets ill versus a relationship of two years, you know, that's
• 35:58
  not the same. That's not the it doesn't mean the same thing. So
• 36:01
  what could have been happening is that, for whatever reason, these men were
• 36:07
  critically ill but they were in longer relationships, and these women were critically ill
• 36:12
  but they were in shorter relationships. So that's why they imploded. So it's
• 36:15
  it's a completely it's a very flawed study, and it doesn't say anything what
• 36:21
  the headlines have been saying, which is all those feckless men they just wave
• 36:24
  as soon as you get sick. No, no, it's it's basically.
• 36:29
  One thing is that they don't know if it's because you're a man or a
• 36:31
  woman. It could be because, for whatever reason, the men in the
• 36:36
  study had longer relationships on average than the women. It could also be that
• 36:40
  the women are deciding to leave. And one thing is that women might stay
• 36:45
  with the men because there's I mean, you're not going to get an insurance
• 36:50
  payout for your ex husband. Let's be honest, let's you know, if
• 36:53
  you're just gonna look at it mercenary wise, if you leave the relationship,
• 36:58
  you're not going to get his insurance money. Yeah, presumably, or at
• 37:02
  least it's going to be more difficult. You might as well stay waited out.
• 37:06
  And you know, at the end of the at the end of the
• 37:08
  road for women, there's a payout. It's not the case as much for
• 37:12
  men. So I mean there's that factor too, and it's I mean it's
• 37:15
  mercenary, but it's true. Uh, And that wasn't looked into. So
• 37:21
  all of this, these these arguments, oh oh, these uh, these
• 37:24
  women in nine of the divorces of college educated women are initiated due to infidelity.
• 37:35
  Well, yeah, who's exactly, Brian, who's infidelity. Yeah,
• 37:37
  who's infidelity, right, I mean, which is the one who cheated?
• 37:43
  Yeah? And I mean like the guy in my anecdote, he clearly found
• 37:52
  the red pill eye opening and his wife at the time was not happy about
• 38:00
  that. So that makes me think that there was stuff going on already that
• 38:07
  she didn't want to open up about there. I mean, like it's all
• 38:10
  so covert, you know, like all of this stuff, it's so covert,
• 38:15
  So it's hard to just like conclude anything. But someone's reaction to the
• 38:21
  red Pill says a lot in my opinion about them. If they're really happy
• 38:25
  or excited or interested, and then I think that it's because they care about
• 38:31
  these things and they had this they had this feeling something was wrong, right,
• 38:36
  and this is sort of like giving them like a glimpse into, you
• 38:39
  know, what's wrong. But if there's like a lot of resistance and negging
• 38:44
  and like dismissals or things like, oh, well, we don't know if
• 38:49
  any of this is true, et cetera, the skepticism, Yeah, I
• 38:54
  don't know, man's that's I'm just saying it's a red flag for me.
• 38:59
  So but anyway, I think that what Lauren's doing, I don't know.
• 39:05
  I don't want to. I'm not trying to crawl in her head. I've
• 39:07
  had her on the show. I had her on once a while back,
• 39:10
  and I met her a couple times, and she's I think she's a well
• 39:16
  intentioned person who I overall like. But I do think that there might be
• 39:22
  this sort of like tendency for women like her to say there is a problem
• 39:30
  in the dating market, and it's probably something that men are not doing,
• 39:37
  and that you ask that you know, you know what I'm saying, Yes,
• 39:39
  I know, and I know exactly what it is. It takes more
• 39:43
  than being feminine and well intentioned and hind and person. You have to be
• 39:51
  absolutely goddamn pig headed as a woman to be able to just be like,
• 39:55
  no, no, actually, I want the truth. I don't want this
• 40:00
  oft power over men that that blaming them or making them take responsibility or framing
• 40:08
  things in terms of my victimhood in order to gain a moral advantage over the
• 40:13
  men in my lives my life. Like you, you really, as a
• 40:15
  woman, you have to have a fetish for the truth and for honesty in
• 40:22
  order to really be able to face the hard truths, and you know,
• 40:27
  like it's you're not going to necessarily see that among you know, even gentle,
• 40:31
  feminine kind women you know there still may want to keep that that bit
• 40:37
  of power. They want to keep that be, that ability to stand in
• 40:42
  judgment over me. And I don't think it's I don't think it's a I
• 40:47
  mean, honestly, can you really say that me, Karen and Hannah,
• 40:52
  and uh probably also Laura and prim but I won't I won't speak as much
• 40:55
  for them me. Karen and Hannah aren't some of the most coubborn pig headed
• 41:01
  people you've ever met? Yeah, yeah, well you Karen, Hannah for
• 41:10
  sure, Lauren to some degree because I hung out with her over the weekend.
• 41:14
  I think it's a good trade to have. And my wife, Yes,
• 41:17
  some of the most pig headed. But that's what's necessary. It's like
• 41:22
  you said, it's not enough to be in a constant state of like empathizing.
• 41:29
  I mean, I don't even really think that it's all that useful,
• 41:32
  you know. It's it is about the nail, Alison. It is about
• 41:37
  the nail. Can we get the nail out? That's what I'm saying.
• 41:40
  Yeah, exactly, And I think that, I mean, honestly, even
• 41:45
  to some degree, feminists exist in this feminine like I don't know rose water
• 41:52
  smelling fart of sophistry, yeah, where you know, it's just like they
• 41:57
  want to. They want to they want to escape into the into the smoky
• 42:01
  miss of femininity whenever it's required, you know what I mean, Because they
• 42:07
  don't want to take responsibility or accountability. And it's it's just it is something
• 42:14
  that is seems to be very inherent to to the feminine uh gender expression,
• 42:22
  you know, just the desire to remain undefinable and not just I don't care,
• 42:30
  like I don't power over men isn't worth lying, okay, And this
• 42:36
  because comes down to that there are some women who are just I want to
• 42:39
  know what reality is. I don't want to live in a lie, even
• 42:46
  if that lie gives me emotional control over the men in my life. I
• 42:51
  don't feel safe and a lie. I don't feel comfortable to lie, and
• 42:53
  I don't I just it just defends me on a fundamental level. And it's
• 43:00
  not even about feeling safe for comfortable, because you know, often having the
• 43:04
  truth isn't safe for comfortable. But that requires a different kind of mentality and
• 43:09
  I'm not surprised that, you know, Lauren is, and it's not necessarily
• 43:15
  that because she's a far more feminine woman than either of the three of us,
• 43:20
  you know what I mean? Oh yeah, for sure. And you
• 43:22
  know again like yeah, I think that I will. I'm just I'll give
• 43:25
  credit where it's to Lauren Is. I think that she's open to hearing,
• 43:32
  you know, hearing this stuff out, so hopefully an opportunity will come,
• 43:37
  uh to do that. So I don't know, I'm I'm saying, you
• 43:42
  know, she's she's still she has yet to be challenged, Like seriously,
• 43:46
  she's talking to you know when she reports on I guess what she calls the
• 43:52
  red Pill. I think she's just looking at like guys on Twitter that have
• 43:54
  like loud voices, you know, like the fresh like the fresh and thick
• 44:00
  guys, or the Andrew Tait types or something, and it's like, you
• 44:02
  know, or even Pearl, who who Lauren I think she likes Pearl.
• 44:08
  I can't remember, but you know we did kind of like respond to it,
• 44:13
  so par another one I would say, is really in the ballpark.
• 44:16
  Yeah, Pearl, Well, she she knows she has to be like like
• 44:21
  once you whence you're like at that point, you can't. You can't pull
• 44:24
  you know, a Sydney Watson or Lauren Southern and be like, I'm out
• 44:29
  of here. I can't handle this this anger because then you're basically I don't
• 44:36
  think she's proving their point, you know, when well, but also like
• 44:38
  consider how much anger she deals with constant. Yeah, but it's yes,
• 44:44
  absolutely, and she gets it from you know, the manosphere too, right,
• 44:49
  she gets it from them, and she gets it but mostly she gets
• 44:52
  it from the feminists and the the the feminists radicals obviously, but also the
• 45:00
  establishment. To feminists that makes sense, like the people who call themselves conservatives,
• 45:06
  but they're just feminists and they're just trying to maintain a status quo of
• 45:10
  feminism before two branches of feminism. There's no conservatives, and there's no left
• 45:16
  or right. There are two branches of feminism. The feminists who believe that
• 45:21
  trans women are a thing and the feminists who don't. Yeah, and that
• 45:24
  the trans women are women, and the feminists who believe trans women are men.
• 45:30
  Therefore they're patriarchy. That is basically that that is the political divisions in
• 45:35
  our society. At this point, there is no point talking about Democrat,
• 45:38
  Republican, libertarian, conservative, fiscal conservatives. That is the that is the
• 45:44
  fundamental political distinction between the two camps at this point. Feminists who believe men
• 45:52
  can escape their original sin by becoming women, and feminists who believe that men
• 45:58
  can't escape their original sin, that men are always lesser morally than men.
• 46:04
  And it doesn't matter if they call themselves Christian, fundamentalist, Christian, right,
• 46:08
  whatever, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. That's their camp.
• 46:14
  Ultimately, all right, let's see some more and then I did get a
• 46:17
  super child. I'll read it later. Okay, here we go if we're
• 46:22
  actually talking about who tore up the relationship here. So there's like a lot
• 46:25
  of stuff like that that I feel like there's very cursory research being done and
• 46:30
  people are kind of choosing statistics to fit their narrative, which we see all
• 46:34
  the time in this day and you just not specific to the red pill community,
• 46:37
  but like, yeah, I you know, I appreciate the attempt to
• 46:40
  push back against a lot of the toxic behaviors that we see, but there's
• 46:45
  also you know, I've seen also I think from Fresh and Fit, the
• 46:50
  we can condemn female promise acuity but they almost defend male promise scuty, which
• 46:54
  is like, okay, well that's that's very do they. I guess I
• 47:00
  don't watch them. I could see that though, I mean I could see
• 47:05
  that because they are they're still they're they're still very guynocentric, right, So
• 47:12
  they think that the amount of attention a man gets is a measure of his
• 47:17
  worth, specifically from specifically from women. So they are they they and you
• 47:23
  know this is uh, there's this is a bit of a page out of
• 47:27
  the p u A slash red Pill camp too. Like I think guys like
• 47:30
  Kevin Samuels and Andrew Tate and Unrollo and stuff they basically try to say.
• 47:37
  And even Rouche did this too before he, you know, I guess,
• 47:42
  realized the error of his ways and completely flipped. But that that this is
• 47:47
  like what men are should be allowed to do. Kevin sam did I mention
• 47:51
  Kevin sam Yeah, Kevin Samuel said it. And I think that I don't
• 47:55
  think it's healthy, not because I'm got like some kind of puritanical view,
• 48:00
  but rather because I do genuinely believe that if a man, if a man
• 48:08
  values himself based on women's approval, it's just not going to go well for
• 48:13
  him, and I don't think it's a way to live and I don't think
• 48:16
  it's healthy at all, and I think that they end up not happy.
• 48:21
  I mean, you're gonna, you're gonna you're you're probably gonna end up like
• 48:24
  rouche at best if you just stay on that path, which is that you'll
• 48:30
  wake up and want to switch gears and change. So I think that I
• 48:35
  wouldn't I wouldn't celebrate promiscuity, but I think that there is I think it's
• 48:40
  a little different with when it comes to men, to understanding that you know,
• 48:45
  a man who is successful with women is uh. I think it is
• 48:51
  different than a woman who is successful with men, because generally it's a lot
• 48:55
  harder for men to be successful with with quality women, and it's a lot
• 49:01
  easier for women because I think that men just too they're too quick to give
• 49:07
  it up, and I think that they don't value their own time. I
• 49:13
  wouldn't even say sex, you know, I wouldn't even say that it has
• 49:15
  to be about that. I think it's about time. This is all casual
• 49:22
  stuff. I don't think it's super useful and I don't think it's what most
• 49:25
  people want anyway, I think that men will date because they feel like they're
• 49:30
  supposed to date. Yeah, And I mean, really, genital handshakes are
• 49:37
  irrelevant to the future. And I mean I've never really engaged in that kind
• 49:43
  of activity at all. I don't feel like I've been lesser because I avoided
• 49:50
  all of hookup culture, like all of it, you know. But to
• 49:55
  say that the whole thing with the promiscuity, they're okay with men's promiscuity versus
• 50:00
  women's promiscuity, I think you have a point, Brian. They still buy
• 50:05
  into this idea that men being sexually desirable to women is a very important metric
• 50:09
  of their value. Yep. And that's that's unfortunate, it's limited. But
• 50:15
  they're also really young too, write Slesh and Fish. Yeah, but I
• 50:17
  mean, uh yeah, those guys, I guess they look they're probably in
• 50:22
  their mid to late twenties, and I yeah, that it doesn't matter like
• 50:27
  that that I think again, you know, like if I guess I could
• 50:32
  find criticisms for the for those guys, but I don't really see. Here's
• 50:37
  the other thing the point in it, so go ahead, is the promiscuous
• 50:40
  men really asking for that much in terms of a partner. Right, In
• 50:46
  reality, most promiscuous men sort of end up with promiscuous women. Yeah,
• 50:52
  and on furthermore, they usually those promiscuous women are usually making less money.
• 50:59
  You know, they may have a child in tow, you know, and
• 51:04
  other stuff like it's it's just I hate to say it, but that's what
• 51:07
  I've seen in reality, except for a few maybe some like exceptions. Yeah,
• 51:15
  generally like meets like oh like yeah, no, I was gonna make
• 51:22
  a crack about the screen. Like Lauren's background is like a painting of some
• 51:29
  what is a cherry blossoms, and she's got an autumn thing. She's so
• 51:32
  like, it's obvious how feminine everything is. She's got to stress on.
• 51:37
  And Mikayla's in the abyss like I she's she is in the mouth of the
• 51:45
  void, like but but on a microphone, you know. But I'm just
• 51:49
  saying it's a contrast that I can't help. But notice Mikayla is in she
• 51:53
  is in the belly of the beast. Yeah, but Lauren is in a
• 52:00
  long term relationship, right, Lauren is married and she's on her second child.
• 52:05
  I think Mikayla has also got kids. But like her romantic history there's
• 52:10
  some weird stuff going on there that I don't you know. Wait, wait,
• 52:15
  but she's got two kids, now, Lauren does. Yeah, she
• 52:17
  might even have a third on the way. Or or she's the same she's
• 52:22
  either no, it's the same man. Yeah, she's married to the same
• 52:24
  guy. I met him. He actually married the warlock. She what warlock?
• 52:30
  What are you talking about? The Russian warlock that got her pregnant?
• 52:34
  Wasn't it Russian warlock got Lauren Chen pregnant? Or cala resputen? Yeah?
• 52:42
  No, no, no, I don't know about mikayla situation. I haven't
• 52:45
  looked at you. I know Lauren is married, two kids, same father,
• 52:49
  she's got she's she's she's she's fine, she's got that all figured out.
• 52:52
  I met the guy Liam. His name is you know, nice dude.
• 52:59
  So, but yeah, I don't know Mi Kayla's story. Like I
• 53:01
  I know there's a little bit of chaos there. Though there's a little there's
• 53:05
  a touch of the chaos she needs. I'm sorry, it's just if you
• 53:12
  if you run off with a Russian warlock, I think you've got to accept
• 53:15
  a couple of chuckles over your your obvious being seduced I didn't. Yeah,
• 53:22
  resputant. He was seduced by resputant. Okay, anyway, let's play some
• 53:29
  more of this and then I'll read the super chow after. Very strange and
• 53:32
  like if you I often hear feminists being called hypocrites that I don't know how
• 53:37
  you can have that position without it also being very all right. But here's
• 53:42
  the thing. Fundamentally, people who are red pilled, or at least in
• 53:46
  the manisphere, some of us don't give a crap about the promiscute, if
• 53:51
  anyone aside from being like, well, maybe that's not the best way to
• 53:53
  structure your life, right, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not for me,
• 53:58
  I'm not. I don't know if I'm not really part of the matosphere.
• 54:00
  But whatever wherever I lie on this spectrum of what Lauren Chen is judging,
• 54:06
  I don't really care how people structure their lives as long as they are
• 54:09
  decent and hold their responsibilities, right yeah, I mean, like if they
• 54:15
  have if I know what their goals are and I care about them, and
• 54:17
  I think that their behavior is antithetical to their goals, I'll tell them that,
• 54:22
  you know, this might not work for what you want. But at
• 54:24
  the end of the day, it's their choice. So I don't think the
• 54:29
  promiscuity thing is really that's not really at the top of the list for me,
• 54:34
  like of concerns. I'm more worried about the legal ramifications. I think
• 54:37
  people should be informed on what potential consequences are because I do think that,
• 54:45
  especially with young people, they're told that everything is fine, there won't be
• 54:49
  any negative consequences, and I just don't think that's true. So I think
• 54:52
  that people should be informed so they can make educated decisions. But I don't
• 54:57
  know anyway, going Yeah, I feel like that's new. Now. I'm
• 55:02
  not that familiar with red Pels stuff, but from what i'd seen in like
• 55:07
  twenty twelve ish, I don't think it was like that in twenty twelve either.
• 55:12
  Yeah, like that seems to be something that's like since twenty twenty,
• 55:15
  where it was, oh, men are supposed to be promiscuous and have multiple
• 55:19
  women, but women are always attached to one alpha man. That's because this
• 55:23
  used to be. That's because most of this, like the counter culture,
• 55:30
  let's call it the masculine counterculture prior in like twenty twelve, well that was
• 55:35
  basically us right with a few dick Masterson types right, yeah, and we
• 55:44
  were men's issues advocates. We were simply saying, hey, you got you
• 55:46
  got to attend to this stuff, right, you got to figure this shit
• 55:51
  out, and you didn't, and we got constantly lambasted and silenced, and
• 55:57
  the stuff that we said would happen happened. Yeah. Maybe the reason why
• 56:01
  you you're what you're seeing from the manisphere or the red pill or whatever,
• 56:07
  maybe that's different because what we were saying has essentially been for the most part
• 56:14
  ignored. I mean, where it's it's it's growing slowly, but it's not
• 56:17
  getting the kind of traction that these Pua guys are getting. And now you're
• 56:23
  seeing that more and you're like, well, why is this happening? But
• 56:27
  it's like, yeah, but where were you ten years ago? You know
• 56:30
  what, even the PUAs aren't like the PUA's. That's almost something they destroyed
• 56:36
  too. The thing is that you could make a decision that women would be
• 56:44
  judged by men because men still have the ability to do this based on how
• 56:49
  they treated them, you know, in terms of relationships, okay, which
• 56:54
  requires men to be interested in relationships with women. But you never addressed the
• 57:01
  tremendous problems that men encounter in attempting to pursue relationships with men, long term
• 57:08
  relationships with women, the destruction. Okay, that the things that we brought
• 57:14
  up about how men, you know, like in long term relationships, the
• 57:20
  vulnerabilities that men have in long term relationships, the custody issue, the lack
• 57:23
  of support for being victims of domestic violence and spousal sexual abuse, the issues
• 57:30
  with alimony and child support, and the fact that a woman can walk away
• 57:35
  from a marriage, but a man can never walk away from his responsibilities he
• 57:37
  assumes on marriage, so divorce doesn't really exist for men. Okay, all
• 57:42
  of this stuff that we brought up, nobody wanted to address, And now
• 57:46
  we see this generation of men who basically aren't even looking at this thing that
• 57:53
  you've made so dangerous for men to consider. They don't they're not interested in
• 57:59
  judging women based on relationship quality because they're not going to get in one.
• 58:04
  Why should they like relationship for men as a minefield? So now they're just
• 58:12
  based in there. Now they're all their criteria are is promiscuity and looks.
• 58:20
  That's it, yep, And that like you decided you didn't want to listen
• 58:23
  to men who were concerned about women's ethics, the fact that they were empowered
• 58:29
  to their most destructive qualities or their most destructive impulses, were empowered legally,
• 58:36
  the fact that they weren't good mothers, they didn't consider the benefit of their
• 58:38
  children in divorce, that they were excessively greedy in relationships. You didn't want
• 58:45
  to consider the problems of men who wanted to marry women, right, So
• 58:52
  you ended up destroying that group of men. And now the men who are
• 58:57
  left, the men who remain that want to engage with women at all,
• 59:01
  are the top ten percent, you know, like the top ten percent and
• 59:07
  tender, and they are setting those rules. Like you already decided you have
• 59:13
  no interest in the vast majority of men who just want a reasonable woman to
• 59:15
  settle down with and have a relationship, and they want reasonable, reasonable risks
• 59:21
  when it comes to that. You didn't want to listen to them. So
• 59:24
  now you're listening to the men who want anything to do with women, which
• 59:30
  is just sex and this is this is what they have to say, which
• 59:32
  is some of the most shallow and yes, hypocritical stuff. But you know,
• 59:37
  you could have listened to the men who were more mature who had mature
• 59:43
  problems and questions about the situation. You should have listened to them and listened
• 59:47
  to their issues. Then you decided to silence them or not you in particular,
• 59:52
  Lauren, but in general, women's strongest voice, their most loudest voice,
• 59:59
  decided to silence those men and ignore them and in some cases violently protest
• 1:00:05
  their meetups, violently protest men talking about being victims of domestic violence, suppress
• 1:00:12
  all of the evidence. I mean, you didn't want that. So guess
• 1:00:15
  what, Those men who wanted that from women ceased to exist in any appreciable
• 1:00:23
  numbers. And now the loudest voices are the men who just want to fuck
• 1:00:27
  you. Yep. And yeah they're shallow, hypocritical, selfish, but yes,
• 1:00:32
  what you've selected for. And guess what, the selection pressure is still
• 1:00:37
  ongoing. And this isn't the final form because you are not just selecting for
• 1:00:43
  men who only are interested in women's sexuality, because you will not address men's
• 1:00:47
  concerns with relationships with women, Like, what do you think is going to
• 1:00:51
  happen? They're just going to opt out of relationships with women and go for
• 1:00:53
  the lowest common denominator. But there's a step after that, because the pressure
• 1:00:58
  is still on men, you know, because obviously people like men like Andrew
• 1:01:02
  Tait are horrible misogynists who who are horribly oppressing women. So and their concerns
• 1:01:09
  are also going to be ignored and minimized and they're going to be shamed out
• 1:01:13
  of society because ultimately the pressure is that this society doesn't want men at all,
• 1:01:19
  It doesn't want men to be a part of it. Like I mean,
• 1:01:22
  think about the messaging. Yeah, the future is female, masculinity is
• 1:01:28
  toxic. Men are privileged, they're predominant. Action in this society is oppressing
• 1:01:32
  women. This is a society that doesn't want it's men to be a part
• 1:01:37
  of it. And at some point, you know, and we've gone through
• 1:01:40
  the men who are willing to invest in a society in terms of being the
• 1:01:44
  pillar of the community, who has a family and does his work. And
• 1:01:46
  we've gone through the playboys, like that was the last possibly pro social way
• 1:01:52
  that a man could be seen as a man is generating sexual desire for women.
• 1:01:59
  We've gone through the play I don't like them either, they think they're
• 1:02:02
  misogynists. What's after that, Well, at that point, there will be
• 1:02:07
  absolutely no way for a man in our society to engage with it and be
• 1:02:10
  perceived to be pro social by that society. So, in other words,
• 1:02:14
  you have decided that men don't belong to this society. And then at some
• 1:02:17
  point men are going to wake up and realize, well, if I'm not
• 1:02:22
  actually part of this society, it doesn't matter if I take up arms against
• 1:02:25
  it, because it's not my society. So after I Andrew Tate will come
• 1:02:31
  to see people, and that's not going to be fun. I mean,
• 1:02:35
  we can maybe stop that, but not on this trajectory, not with this
• 1:02:39
  increasing increasingly alienating men from our society. And incidentally, I don't see if
• 1:02:46
  men do eventually decide to agree with our society's opinion that they don't belong.
• 1:02:52
  I don't see why we have any moral right to judge them if they take
• 1:02:55
  up arms against us. But think about it, we've told them, Okay,
• 1:03:00
  yeah, you're not part of this, you're not part of our society,
• 1:03:02
  you're part of the other. You're outside, you're outside the city walls.
• 1:03:07
  Once that happens, can you really aren't going to be in a position
• 1:03:13
  to judge them if they take up arms against us, Like honestly, Yeah,
• 1:03:16
  that's where it's going. That's the trajectory. I'm not saying that we'll
• 1:03:20
  necessarily get there, because maybe something will change. Maybe we'll start listening to
• 1:03:24
  men's concerns and taking them seriously and saying, no, actually, you are
• 1:03:29
  part of our society. We really do need you. And men don't even
• 1:03:32
  have to take up arms once they're put outside the city walls. The fact
• 1:03:37
  that we're putting them outside the city walls is going to screw us long term,
• 1:03:39
  even if they do nothing outside the city walls. But just you don't
• 1:03:43
  erect a shantytown because guess who's running everything that keeps the city running. So
• 1:03:49
  we're just pushing out everyone at the group of people who are primarily responsible for
• 1:03:54
  keeping the city running, We're pushing them out of the city walls. Eventually
• 1:03:58
  the city is going to be choked and own shit. You know, this
• 1:04:02
  is completely untenable. And like I said, men don't even have to take
• 1:04:05
  up arms. They can just be like, Okay, I guess you've kicked
• 1:04:09
  us out of the city. They don't even have to do anything. This
• 1:04:11
  is just us passively throwing them out, being like we don't launch you future
• 1:04:15
  is female, go away, go away. We don't need you. All
• 1:04:18
  you do is appress women, go go go, And then and we just
• 1:04:21
  shove them out. And then meanwhile we're shoving out our plumbers, We're shoving
• 1:04:27
  out our electricians, We're shoving out are the people, are the men responsible
• 1:04:30
  for our logistics. We're just shoving them out like higgly piggly go go go.
• 1:04:36
  Well, eventually that's gonna catch up on us if they even if men
• 1:04:40
  do nothing. So goddamn ladies, you know, you gotta start seeing this
• 1:04:45
  with a little bit more of a system's attitude rather than I find that this
• 1:04:48
  particular, this particular line of inquiry is embarrassing me, and also I find
• 1:04:55
  it uncomfortable. Well, at some point, you gotta you're gonna have to
• 1:04:59
  stand a little bit higher up and look a little bit further than your own
• 1:05:02
  comfort. Mm hmmm, because, believe me, there will be a coma
• 1:05:08
  point in time if we don't stop this trajectory that you will be nostalgic for
• 1:05:13
  the days of Andrew Tate. Yeah, all right, all right, I
• 1:05:18
  guess so I got a superchowd I should probably read the superchow So I got
• 1:05:24
  a super child from Plaine Dane for five dollars, and he says grain isn't
• 1:05:30
  as nutritionally important as meat. In fact, you live without and monocrops are
• 1:05:35
  horrible for ecosystems. Without it, we wouldn't have evolved into the top of
• 1:05:40
  the food chain. Honestly, from all the shit I've seen from it,
• 1:05:43
  seems like we should have gone and root the root Nether Neanderthals went. It
• 1:05:47
  would have been better this shit. I imagine if the artificial wound becomes a
• 1:05:53
  thing, I honestly believe that would make women obsolete, because, let's be
• 1:05:57
  honest, the only useful thing a woman has is her pussy, specifically her
• 1:06:00
  reproductive system. But the bias courts have debased having a child Furthermore and more
• 1:06:05
  women need men to procreate, so the only women have over men is that
• 1:06:11
  they can give birth. They still need a man for that. That's why
• 1:06:14
  it annoys me when people use birthing as something so special to women that it
• 1:06:17
  makes them superior, even though they need men for not just or getting pregnant,
• 1:06:23
  but to be able to survive while pregnant. Linemen, sewage workers,
• 1:06:27
  firemen, doctors, truck drivers, cattle farmers, butcher's contractors, et cetera.
• 1:06:30
  We built this world and we keep it running worthless seawords oy plain dame.
• 1:06:36
  Well, all right, first of all, that's not completely correct.
• 1:06:41
  Without grain, we wouldn't have modern society. In fact, the Legion legionnaires,
• 1:06:48
  the Roman Legion was paid in bread and when when they didn't have bread,
• 1:06:55
  they tried to pay them and meat and they got revolts. Bread isn't
• 1:07:00
  isn't actually that bad when you're talking about like a lot like societies where you
• 1:07:03
  need a lot of labor, like you need the calories and the carbs to
• 1:07:09
  to be able to do that kind of labor. And look at athletes,
• 1:07:12
  they do eat carbs and in order to to fuel that level of performance.
• 1:07:21
  So I guess I think this is a little bit overstated the importance of grain.
• 1:07:29
  And uh, I mean other than that, yeah, I mean currently
• 1:07:32
  men really are responsible for the majority of society that I don't I think that
• 1:07:38
  it's not correct to undercount the play what women contributed throughout history prior to the
• 1:07:45
  Industrial Revolution, because a lot of the Industrial Revolution was taking over women's work.
• 1:07:51
  Yeah, and in terms of producing material goods in the home and uh,
• 1:07:57
  particular cloth and utilities. So yeah, I mean, right now we're
• 1:08:02
  in sort of a very unique age in which women as a whole are not
• 1:08:09
  as critical to the maintenance and running of society. There women's work isn't as
• 1:08:15
  critical, but there was a time where it was. And it's not a
• 1:08:20
  good idea to necessarily extrapolate from what's happening today that this was the case of
• 1:08:25
  all of history. It's what I was talking about when we talked about like
• 1:08:28
  economic kind of centrism. Anyway, Yeah, well, thank you for the
• 1:08:35
  superchild playing dame. Feel free you guys to send us a super child by
• 1:08:40
  going to them for So that's just the tip. All right, let us
• 1:08:45
  play some more of this that seems to have popped up in the last like
• 1:08:49
  three years. I don't even know how that started, because Cassie j like,
• 1:08:54
  she did a movie called The Red Pill, and it was basically just
• 1:08:57
  about men's rice issues, which I think are very important in kind of criticizing
• 1:09:01
  a lot of the more radical parts of modern day feminism, which again,
• 1:09:04
  like I think, if that's all it was, I'm on board with that,
• 1:09:09
  and I think there are But were you at the time, Yeah,
• 1:09:13
  were you at the time, right, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:09:15
  I honestly want to know if you were where you were at the time,
• 1:09:20
  because at the time that this came out, there was a lot of censorship
• 1:09:27
  and suppression and dismissal and even like, you know, attacks on us bringing
• 1:09:32
  it up and Cassie j in particular. Yeah, like at the time,
• 1:09:38
  I know, people don't realize this or don't remember a Voice for Men,
• 1:09:43
  which you know is on the ACL or not the SPLC's hate list or something.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, whatever reason because of some incredibly controversial stuff or not even really
• 1:09:54
  incredibly controversial stuff, but controversial stuff that Paul Elim wrote a couple of years
• 1:09:58
  ago. And and I've I've maintained that it's satire. He says it's satire,
• 1:10:05
  and being asked to to to answer for it is like asking me to
• 1:10:13
  answer anyone to answer for Swift's argument that we should eat Irish babies. Yeah,
• 1:10:18
  like, yeah, that's satire. Okay, do you understand that anyway,
• 1:10:23
  But they were trying to take aside from how they took satire deliberately as
• 1:10:30
  an honest statement of intent, and also like that not only that was he
• 1:10:38
  condemned for, that was a Voice for Men condemned of that, and he
• 1:10:40
  was a big part of the Red Pill documentary. He like the International Conference
• 1:10:45
  on Men's Issues that Cassie j interviewed myself and a bunch of other batterers and
• 1:10:56
  was kicked out of a hotel because they message in it, which you guys
• 1:11:02
  are saying, oh well, that that actually isn't so bad, was considered
• 1:11:08
  so controversial at the time. Now we got these gigantic personalities that are incredibly
• 1:11:17
  like you know what, I watched them. They're not flattering to women.
• 1:11:21
  They're far more aggressive in some ways, but ironically aggressive and an incredibly shallow
• 1:11:29
  way. I think even Paul would say that, yeah, like this is
• 1:11:31
  not this the all of the qualities that they're condemning in women, while you
• 1:11:38
  know, are important, are are are not necessarily unimportant to condemn. They
• 1:11:44
  are the more shallow qualities, you know, and they they really don't get
• 1:11:50
  to the heart of the matter at all. But ultimately, what I'm saying
• 1:11:55
  is this, this is like in in twenty fourteen, when this came out,
• 1:12:01
  it was condemned, right, and it was had a tremendous pushback.
• 1:12:08
  And because you haven't dealt in like society do not mean you as in Lauren
• 1:12:13
  Chin. I'm not holding her personally responsible, although I do think she needs
• 1:12:15
  to know increase the scope of her vision when it comes to fast. Because
• 1:12:21
  society did not address men's concerns about relationships, they are more and more walking
• 1:12:30
  away from them, and the only men left who are willing to engage with
• 1:12:35
  women are only willing to engage with them on incredibly superficial on an incredibly superficial
• 1:12:42
  level, and be incredibly hypocritical about it because they can be. And like,
• 1:12:46
  it's just going to keep getting worse, Like the caliber of men that
• 1:12:50
  are willing to talk to women is just going to keep going down until it's
• 1:12:55
  basically Genghis Khan and it's yeah, women, you throw me your valuables and
• 1:13:00
  maybe you can ride my dick for the night and then then you can won't
• 1:13:03
  work the fields, you know, Like m hmm, it's it's just gonna
• 1:13:09
  get the deal is just gonna get worse. And I actually think that there
• 1:13:15
  might be some uh maybe maybe they are starting, Like individuals like Lauren and
• 1:13:20
  Mikhaela are starting this is starting dawn on them that it's getting worse. M
• 1:13:26
  h considering what they're saying here. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah,
• 1:13:31
  I mean that I think I think that the divide is certainly getting worse,
• 1:13:35
  and uh, because it's not being addressed. And obviously the people at the
• 1:13:40
  top, you know, they have no incentive to do anything about this.
• 1:13:44
  They you know. But yeah, I mean, keep keep I guess,
• 1:13:48
  keep saying why aren't men stepping up? And we'll see where it goes.
• 1:13:53
  You're you're gonna have to You're gonna where you guys need more pearls. You
• 1:13:56
  need a lot of women to start calling out women. That's the only way
• 1:14:00
  I think what I could say with Coral is I think she's also sort of
• 1:14:04
  calling out women on a more superficial level. Yeah, but I mean it's
• 1:14:10
  not like, honestly, we need to evolve into a society where a woman
• 1:14:16
  is more mortified by being called unethical in her dealings with men than being told
• 1:14:27
  that she she's unlovable because she has cellulate on our thighs. Does that make
• 1:14:31
  sense if we lived in a world where it was actually more crushing for women
• 1:14:36
  to be called someone who doesn't care about men. Yeah, but there is
• 1:14:41
  a problem with that. Women don't have a problem being unethical right now,
• 1:14:45
  So that doesn't work on them, right, so you almost have to I'm
• 1:14:48
  imagining for them to notice that they're you know what I mean. I'm just
• 1:14:54
  saying, you know, like, imagine a world yeah, I know,
• 1:14:57
  I know, well where yeah, where women are more concerned about being ethical
• 1:15:02
  or acting ethically towards men in relationships and in even in the workplace. Now
• 1:15:11
  to be honest on understanding men, where women feel more anxiety about being judged
• 1:15:18
  as a woman who's incapable of having or being aware of men's concerns or or
• 1:15:29
  being concerned about their vulnerabilities and not exploiting them than having a fat ass.
• 1:15:34
  Like, imagine the world where women are more concerned about their own personal ethics
• 1:15:41
  than the size of their fucking rump. Oh what a world that would be?
• 1:15:45
  Well, feel like opiate. If women had to earn respect and honor
• 1:15:53
  than they would then they would fear losing it. But you know, I
• 1:15:58
  mean, ironically, I think in the world not a quality that they want
• 1:16:00
  right now. In a world where women were more concerned about their ethical treatment,
• 1:16:06
  about being judged as being unethical, irresponsible, not their brother's keeper,
• 1:16:13
  they probably would have smaller rumps as well. Yeah, perhaps, Yeah,
• 1:16:18
  okay, anyway, I'll think about it. Okay, So I got another
• 1:16:23
  super chow from Richard Bierre, gives us five dollars and says, but Alison,
• 1:16:29
  the benevolent AI designed by women will take care of everything and ensure that
• 1:16:32
  the city women will have lives of ultimate comfort and security. I look forward
• 1:16:38
  to that. It's not happening. Yeah, I don't see it. They'll
• 1:16:42
  it'll there's no there. I don't think that there will be an AI that
• 1:16:45
  only serves women. It'll it'll end up serving itself. But anyway, let's
• 1:16:49
  listen. Oh shit, I just got another superchow. Michael Emeric Windberg.
• 1:16:56
  This is a freaking essay, gives a super chow for five dollars and says
• 1:17:00
  I've hm been hanging out onto this one for a while. Although I don't
• 1:17:05
  think line breaks and paragraphs don't work in super Child's, so please take that
• 1:17:11
  into account. What dream you of Adam sleeping under my tree? A ruler
• 1:17:15
  of Eden? You roam happy and free, yet something still plagues you.
• 1:17:19
  In your restless sleep. You toss in your turn feeling loneliness creep. You
• 1:17:25
  rose from the dirt, born to be a king. You have all the
• 1:17:29
  pleasures, those riches can bring. Such things have long lost, but all
• 1:17:33
  meaning to you. To share them with her would be your wish come true.
• 1:17:39
  Just out of your reach, she comes in your dreams. You try
• 1:17:42
  to call out with desperate screams. Please look at me. You want to
• 1:17:45
  cry out, but your voice just crumbles. You can't even shout. You
• 1:17:50
  want to be loved. Such a strange foreign term, but so says your
• 1:17:55
  soul. As in anguish you squirm, or that fair maiden with the long
• 1:17:59
  flowing hair, you'll tear out your own rib and lay your heart bear.
• 1:18:03
  So be it, young Adam. I'll grant that desire with her. You'll
• 1:18:06
  face anything, no matter how dire, for her. You shall bite the
• 1:18:11
  fruit. Leave paradise, you boldly proclaim, as you gaze at her eyes,
• 1:18:16
  a journey together. With hands gently held, you leave this walled garden
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  where your child selves dwelled. I'll watch all your actions, creatures of sand,
• 1:18:26
  the building and anew, from this empty wasteland. And when your time
• 1:18:30
  ends and you meet me again, we'll both look at your life and all
• 1:18:34
  you have gained, oh again, gained? Okay, You face the world's
• 1:18:40
  challenges both side by side. You've shared all your hardships with nothing to hide.
• 1:18:45
  You'll talk of your love, this feeling you've nurtured, sometimes filled with
• 1:18:48
  joy, else it was torture. You'll thank me for this gift whose name
• 1:18:53
  you now know, but that man and woman you gained on your own.
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  Well, thank you for the the lovely poem. Okay, but that is
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  that is that is something to think about. Also, you can put slashes
• 1:19:08
  with poems. Yeah, if you're having trouble with the paragraphs, yeah,
• 1:19:14
  put slashes. Very nice, very hopeful. Yeah, you know it's gonna
• 1:19:17
  be a rough ride to get there though, We'll tell you it's a long
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  one. But yeah, that that that's it's that is that it's nice.
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  Okay, thank you? Uh agregious. Charles gives us five dollars and says
• 1:19:30
  excellent point about the concern for ethical comments over esthetic ones. Alison, all
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  right, thank you, Charles, appreciate it. Yeah, well, thank
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  you. I think that this this community was really more about that. And
• 1:19:40
  now they're face to face with like they they dismissed the mature question that men
• 1:19:46
  had, like mature men had, I want a woman who's ethical, And
• 1:19:51
  now they're face to face with gonads in the face of brains. Let's just
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  be frank and and that's all. If you if men cannot have ethical women,
• 1:20:02
  well then what else are they gonna want from women? But the putinang
• 1:20:06
  hey, think about it, like it and the less you basically look at
• 1:20:13
  this, look at our society. Like some woman and a man comes up
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  to her and says, okay, I would like, you know, an
• 1:20:18
  ethical woman who's gonna treat me ethically and is going to be a strong figure
• 1:20:25
  for might to help me raise children. And you know, the woman representing
• 1:20:29
  our society put her hand up and said no, no way, no,
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  no, no, you know no no. So now that guy who is
• 1:20:36
  mature and masculine individual who wanted a family, who wanted a woman to stand
• 1:20:43
  by him and creating a family, and it did, you know like it.
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  I don't even think guys are really that concerned if the woman contributes in
• 1:20:49
  terms financially you know, or or or in terms of domestic as long as
• 1:20:56
  she's contributing to some degree, right, she's making an effort and she's standing
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  up to her side of the bargain. But the woman said no, I'm
• 1:21:04
  not going to be that woman. So now you got guys who are only
• 1:21:10
  interested in your tits and your ass. What did you expect? Like?
• 1:21:16
  Seriously, you turned away the guy who's like, I want to have a
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  decent deal. I want to be able to have a reasonable deal in a
• 1:21:26
  relationship with in a relationship, a long term relationship with a woman in which
• 1:21:30
  we raise children and build a life together. That's all I want. I
• 1:21:32
  want an ethical woman and a society who supports her in being ethical. And
• 1:21:35
  you guys were like, no, la mistogynist. And now you're left with
• 1:21:42
  the guys who are like, yeah, no, I just want to fuck
• 1:21:45
  you. I don't care a fuck beyond that. I don't care about society
• 1:21:48
  beyond that, I don't care about building anything with a woman. I don't
• 1:21:50
  care about a relationship with a woman. What did you expect? Like?
• 1:21:57
  And the funny thing is is, once again you are saying, oh,
• 1:22:00
  oh, you want a woman, You want a woman's sexual desire, You
• 1:22:03
  want women to desire you. What an incredible misogynist you are? Oh dare
• 1:22:08
  you want women to desire you sexually? Go away? What do you think
• 1:22:12
  the next man is gonna want from a woman? Nothing? And when men
• 1:22:18
  want nothing from the women of this society. Oh boy, you're gonna see
• 1:22:23
  a lot of damn changes, and they aren't gonna be fun. And they
• 1:22:27
  aren't gonna be fun from Lord Chen's kids or per Kaleid like that. That's
• 1:22:32
  the funny thing is that you these two women, they may end up having
• 1:22:35
  a reasonably decent life up to the age of you know, in the Middle
• 1:22:39
  Ages, right, you know, which may end up really sucking if you're
• 1:22:43
  aging into this this hell scape that we're creating for ourselves. But they're kids,
• 1:22:47
  they're fucked mm hm, you know. And it's because what are we
• 1:22:54
  saying to men, What are we saying it's reasonable to expect from women?
• 1:22:59
  Well, you basically said it's not reasonable to expect an ethical woman who's supported
• 1:23:02
  by an ethical legal structure and that you can have a long term relationship with
• 1:23:08
  and build a life with. You can't expect that anymore. Guys. Nope,
• 1:23:13
  you just you just roll the crap shoot and you know, potentially lose
• 1:23:15
  everything. So the next group of men basically are are just interested in sex,
• 1:23:24
  right, And that's what you created. You know, if men cannot
• 1:23:29
  judge you on an ethical level, they'll judge you on a physical level.
• 1:23:31
  And then if they don't want anything from you, they won't judge you at
• 1:23:34
  all, and that's going to be a very interesting society to live in.
• 1:23:39
  Yeah, all right, let's play more. Okay, who still speak on
• 1:23:44
  that? And that's great, But there's also like very weird narratives that they've
• 1:23:47
  started inserting surrounding relationships, which is where I'm like, I don't know where
• 1:23:51
  you're getting this, where they're basically telling men not to be in relationships with
• 1:23:56
  women at all. And it's like, you sound like a rad fem Like
• 1:23:58
  you sound exactly like right now, okay, all right, Wait, a
• 1:24:02
  man can be in a relationship with a woman, that's fine, But he's
• 1:24:06
  not just in a relationship with a woman. He's in a relationship with what
• 1:24:10
  she can do legally to him. Yeah, she's in a relationship. He's
• 1:24:14
  in a relationship with a woman, and the state, yes, so,
• 1:24:16
  and and you know she knows that. I mean, what is this,
• 1:24:21
  where is this coming from? Like I don't understand, like if she can
• 1:24:29
  understand the problems that the state brings to relationships between men and women, why
• 1:24:34
  she can't understand why people would say, you know, it's not a good
• 1:24:38
  idea, all right, I mean, I've heard that some things are getting
• 1:24:43
  better, like custody is getting better, so that's good. But yeah,
• 1:24:50
  but still yeah, no, I mean it's still a problem, right,
• 1:24:54
  Yeah, it's still a problem. Let's keep going. And it's funny because
• 1:24:58
  I've seen so many to say that marriage and children are a patriarchal invention,
• 1:25:02
  and I've also seen red pillars say that marriage and children are a matriarchal invention.
• 1:25:08
  It's only women who are trying to trap you. It's like what men
• 1:25:11
  want to get married and have kids too? Like that can make a man
• 1:25:14
  happy as well, Yes it can, it's just very The problem is again
• 1:25:19
  men said, these are the problems that we're having with relationships, with long
• 1:25:24
  term relationships, with marriage and children, you know, and the world is
• 1:25:28
  ignoring it. Like honestly, Lauren, would you want to get in a
• 1:25:32
  relationship with someone if he punches you in the face, you're more likely to
• 1:25:36
  go to jail than he is. Yeah, think about that. Do you
• 1:25:41
  want to get you want to have children with someone who's more who's more likely
• 1:25:45
  to get primary custody than you might? Do you want to have do you
• 1:25:50
  want to get into a financial involvement with someone and and he cheats on you,
• 1:25:58
  you know, and he just like he fucks a woman right in front
• 1:26:00
  of you, and you still have to pay for him. Yeah, you
• 1:26:03
  still have to. They'll still have to send a check to him every month
• 1:26:06
  after you divorce. Are these the things that you would like, like have
• 1:26:11
  some empathy, So have some empathy for the situation that men find themselves in
• 1:26:17
  legally when they're having relationships with women. I mean, it's not even a
• 1:26:20
  situation that the woman is necessarily bad. I mean it's a tragedy of the
• 1:26:28
  No, I don't think tragedy the commons is quite what it is. But
• 1:26:30
  people usually rise to the standard that they're held to. And if we allow
• 1:26:34
  women to engage in these patently unnaw we facilitate it, then they're not going
• 1:26:41
  to be like the average woman is going to be not a good bet for
• 1:26:46
  the average man, because in order to be safe, a man would have
• 1:26:50
  to be with a woman who is above average when it comes to their ethical
• 1:26:57
  considerations, Like a woman who is not just ethical, but her ethics are
• 1:27:01
  derived almost exclusively from her individual choices, because society isn't going to reinforce them
• 1:27:10
  when it comes to her behavior. Towards men. So she's gonna have to
• 1:27:13
  be some kind of a conoclast, like and you're talking about not just like
• 1:27:17
  you know, the upper one half of women. We're talking about like the
• 1:27:21
  like a top ten percent of women who are not just ethical, but are
• 1:27:26
  ethical in the face of no external expectation, Like I mean, this person
• 1:27:31
  like me, I try to be ethical. I try to question myself and
• 1:27:35
  become a better person in my relationship, you know, And I have an
• 1:27:39
  internal locus of morality, or at least the eternal. I judge myself by
• 1:27:44
  an external effects, but not because other an external body is forcing me to
• 1:27:50
  that is internally driven. Even though it's an external standard. I'm holding myself.
• 1:27:56
  What's holding me? Is me? Right? Okay? Now, somebody
• 1:28:02
  like that that I'm not very common among anybody, really Like it's it's not
• 1:28:10
  very common to see people like that who have the ability to hold themselves to
• 1:28:14
  a standard. But the other thing is that women who do this, women
• 1:28:18
  who hold themselves to a higher standard of ethics than society will are judged as
• 1:28:24
  equally valuable or even less. They get they get they don't just get,
• 1:28:30
  they get no no recognition for being more ethical they in fact get harassment and
• 1:28:36
  abuse for holding themselves. This is what I've seen to an ethical standard.
• 1:28:43
  They get they get harassed. So we are doing the exact opposite of holding
• 1:28:49
  women to an ethical standard. We're enforcing the least ethical behavior on women,
• 1:28:56
  and women who who aspire to be more ethical get abuse doing so. So
• 1:29:02
  this this is like, you got to think about what's incentivized by our society
• 1:29:06
  and what isn't incentivized. When you say things like, oh, I don't
• 1:29:11
  understand why men are are don't want to get with the average woman, Well
• 1:29:15
  that's why, because she's average when it comes to morality in a society that
• 1:29:20
  doesn't encourage that. You know that the what is the what is the average
• 1:29:26
  level of morality that a society encourages in women? Think about that that's what
• 1:29:31
  the average woman will do. Yeah, well yeah, you incentivize bad behavior,
• 1:29:35
  You're going to get bad behavior. Yeah, And you gotta like,
• 1:29:41
  I don't understand why she can't understand that, Like, like she can't think
• 1:29:45
  I think that she I mean, I could figure is that she's like,
• 1:29:49
  well, I would never do that. Therefore women probably won't do that,
• 1:29:54
  I guess. But it's like no, you're you're not all women and you
• 1:29:59
  haven't actually been put in a position that is tested yet, because you might
• 1:30:04
  be able to. I don't know her, but it's not off the table
• 1:30:09
  as far as I'm concerned, right, Like a lot of guys like,
• 1:30:12
  well, I'm married my woman, I'm staying with her forever and then they
• 1:30:14
  get divorced. So it happens, Okay, So yeah, maybe she doesn't
• 1:30:21
  think it because it's not conceivable for her. Yeah, but she she just
• 1:30:29
  used the empathy that women are supposed to have. And just imagine for example,
• 1:30:32
  like I use the example of do you want to be in a relationship?
• 1:30:35
  Does Lauren or Michaela want to be in a relationship with someone who can
• 1:30:39
  punch them in the face and get them arrested for it? Do they want
• 1:30:43
  to be in a relationship with someone who can rape them and they have absolutely
• 1:30:48
  no no recourse if they get pregnant to avoid being a parent. Yeah,
• 1:30:56
  because that's the situation men are in if they get a woman ignant, even
• 1:31:00
  if that woman raped them, they're liable, Like this is this is the
• 1:31:04
  this is the realities. And you got if you're a woman who's like,
• 1:31:08
  oh, I don't understand why men would not want to be in a relationship.
• 1:31:11
  You got to understand those realities. You gotta sit with them. Just
• 1:31:14
  sit just don't don't be like, oh my I'm being judged, I feel
• 1:31:17
  blah blah blah. Just sit with it. Just imagine that. Imagine look
• 1:31:21
  at your partner. Okay, imagine you you you are in a relationship,
• 1:31:26
  not with like a guy who's bigger than you, but a man let who
• 1:31:29
  who you could probably you know, not because you avoid the you know,
• 1:31:31
  the physical difference, right, but short king. Okay, imagine you're with
• 1:31:40
  a short king just to just to neutralize the physical difference a bit. Okay,
• 1:31:44
  but this short king can abuse you, and you're more likely to go
• 1:31:48
  to jail in him. He can rape you, and you will still be
• 1:31:51
  responsible for any child that is produced by that. Okay. He can divorce
• 1:31:57
  you, have sex with the woman right in front of you, divorce you,
• 1:32:00
  and you still have to pay him for the privilege of the divorce.
• 1:32:04
  He can he can take whatever kids you have, and he's more likely to
• 1:32:09
  have them you know most weeks, you know, every weekday and every other
• 1:32:15
  weekend, and you know you can take them every other weekend. So he
• 1:32:18
  gets a time off to go go have a bone his girlfriend. Right,
• 1:32:24
  so you're basically his his babysitter. Right. Would you really trust men if
• 1:32:31
  they were part of a society that didn't hold them to a higher standard?
• 1:32:35
  Would you trust men if you had to walk down the street and know if
• 1:32:40
  you've swung, if he threw hands that he would you? Would you?
• 1:32:46
  A crowd would form around you, cheering him on. Would you do that?
• 1:32:53
  Would you be willing to get into relationship under those terms? Mhm?
• 1:33:00
  Now think about it? Yeah, Now, think about what men face and
• 1:33:04
  ask yourself why they don't want to get in a relationship under those terms.
• 1:33:09
  And until you fix those terms to be quite fine, I don't think I
• 1:33:12
  will ever advocate for men to get into relationships like I know they will,
• 1:33:16
  because it's just that is the thing. But I want them to think carefully
• 1:33:21
  about that. Now. I want their partners to think carefully about that,
• 1:33:25
  to internalize it and understand it and let it inform their attitude. Mm Hmkay,
• 1:33:31
  if you want to be a partner with a man, internalize that reality
• 1:33:35
  and let it inform your attitude, and then then then you might be more
• 1:33:41
  safe to be partner with Yeah, okay, okay, let's keep going change.
• 1:33:45
  I think a lot of the people in those communities just need to go
• 1:33:48
  outside and touch grass and speak to someone of the opposite sex who is not
• 1:33:51
  online. Frank Clicheship, I'm glad you've noticed that too. I think the
• 1:33:56
  reason why I was kind of on board with red pill things was because it
• 1:33:59
  was different, just like the like liberals were different pre twenty twelve. I
• 1:34:03
  swear the red fil community was different too, and it was more based around
• 1:34:08
  men's rights and less based around women hatred. I don't think those guys hate
• 1:34:14
  women, first of all. And we're still here, MICHAELA. We literally
• 1:34:17
  talked to your dad like a while some years ago. Yeah. Well,
• 1:34:21
  yeah, we're still here, and we're still talking about the issues that we
• 1:34:27
  talked about back then. I mean, I think that we've expanded a bit
• 1:34:30
  into tailing people. Well, you know, if you don't address these issues,
• 1:34:33
  you're gonna be fucked by them. And I think more people are waking
• 1:34:39
  up to that, honestly. And well, I mean the demographic collapse,
• 1:34:46
  but not just the demographic collapse, the collapse of men's labor in our society.
• 1:34:53
  Yeah. Oh, and now we're talking about sending men into the meat
• 1:34:56
  grinder to uphold this unbelievable huge okay at the moment. Yeah, And I
• 1:35:03
  feel like for people who are watching this who aren't familiar with the red pill
• 1:35:06
  community, the term woman hatred gets like misused a lot, but they are
• 1:35:12
  actually this is we're being serious here. Like I've seen like female nature is
• 1:35:15
  just too lie and deceive, and it's like the male nature is honorable,
• 1:35:20
  and like all of these is like, what like this is a caricature.
• 1:35:24
  What aren't you guys talking about? It's actually it's hilarious. It's basically as
• 1:35:28
  ridiculous as some of the extreme feminist stuff you would read, but instead of
• 1:35:31
  ragging on men, they're ragging on women. I've never seen it. I
• 1:35:36
  mean, I've seen some angry. I've seen that is, I've seen some
• 1:35:42
  angry in cells and stuff, but I mean it's again, this is going
• 1:35:45
  back to what I was saying before. I think that when you when there
• 1:35:49
  are women traveling in these circles, they're going to encounter red pill rage.
• 1:35:54
  They're going to encounter men who are really angry and hurt and they've probably been
• 1:36:00
  harmed severely by the system. In some way, and they're going to have
• 1:36:02
  opinions of women. But that doesn't mean they hate women. I seriously don't
• 1:36:08
  think they hate women. I think that they still it's like a they feel
• 1:36:12
  like they're in an abusive relationship with someone that they love and they so they're
• 1:36:18
  angry and they lash out verbally. But I don't think they actually will women.
• 1:36:24
  I don't think it's thing. I think there's a difficulty in recognizing women's
• 1:36:29
  individuality, but there's But the thing is that what Okay, you're saying that
• 1:36:34
  these men are saying that women lie? Right? Well, who homodified women
• 1:36:41
  to begin with? Who said that women are all one great? Yet?
• 1:36:45
  And and the women who agree with them basically because because what I'm seeing is
• 1:36:49
  that this is the flip side of the coin of respect women. Right,
• 1:36:55
  you say that women are all one group and they all need to be respected
• 1:36:58
  because they're all somehow more superior to men. And then the flip side of
• 1:37:01
  that is women don't have to be all condemned because they're morally inferior to men.
• 1:37:06
  Right? Who started that? Really? Yeah? And so we're playing
• 1:37:13
  out the end result of that, right, And honestly, like both sides
• 1:37:24
  and I don't know has she ever called out the side that's like, oh,
• 1:37:27
  women are morally superior and respect all women. Maybe she had. I
• 1:37:32
  don't know if I've seen it, but yeah, maybe, you know.
• 1:37:35
  I'm just curious, like, why is it so? Honestly, yeah,
• 1:37:39
  I recognize that there's women hatred out there, sure, but it hasn't yet
• 1:37:45
  risen to the level of the hatred of men that we see. Yeah.
• 1:37:50
  Literally, our society defines men like our primary institutions, media, academia,
• 1:38:00
  political institutions define the men as a group as oppressors, so literally, their
• 1:38:08
  definition definitional existence even more than white people. The definitional existence of the male
• 1:38:15
  gender role is one of criminality, asociality, and oppression. Mm hmm.
• 1:38:21
  Okay, that's pretty fucking extreme if you think about it. Yeah, absolutely,
• 1:38:29
  And until that shifts, I'm not really that concerned the people who have
• 1:38:33
  been defined definitionally as toxic, criminal, anti social, oppressive demons basically inhuman
• 1:38:45
  give a bit of hate back. Yeah, I'm not gonna worry. I
• 1:38:50
  honestly, I'm surprised the rage isn't greater if you think about it. Yeah,
• 1:38:57
  no, I agree. The other are men and the funny thing is
• 1:39:00
  voic online, but that I'm not concerned about that. How many generations have
• 1:39:06
  men been categorically defined as lesser, immoral, criminal, antisocial oppressors. This
• 1:39:16
  is this is what they swim in and then this is part of this is
• 1:39:20
  their innate to their identity according to our society, Like the institutions of our
• 1:39:26
  society that have anything to do have anything to say about the differences between the
• 1:39:30
  genders. This is how they characterize men. And this is what men have
• 1:39:32
  had to deal with for how many generations now and a few of them are
• 1:39:36
  getting fucking pissed. And like I said, I'm surprised it isn't there isn't
• 1:39:42
  more of it, But just like again, walk into men's position, right,
• 1:39:47
  And you know what's amazing to me is when I walk into men's position
• 1:39:50
  and I think, what would it feel like, Lauren mchaleen, what would
• 1:39:55
  it feel like if you woke up and heard a half or a dozen negative
• 1:40:01
  things about your gender? Not just oh somebody's pretty ass in a in a
• 1:40:06
  advertising okay, or oh you need to lose weight, or something about your
• 1:40:12
  gender, something about women being evil? What if you took all of that
• 1:40:17
  messages that you're complaining about on Twitter, you know, like like some some
• 1:40:23
  random commentator, and put it into an advertising campaign that you have to see
• 1:40:30
  on transit. You put it into a syllabus that you have to read when
• 1:40:34
  you go into your classroom. You put it into a government psa that you
• 1:40:41
  have to watch on TV. You put all of those negative comments that you
• 1:40:45
  see just in one like you know, Twitter user that has like seventy two
• 1:40:48
  followers, and you put it into those those mediums, those those podiums.
• 1:40:55
  Okay, and see it in newspaper that people pay to print. Nobody's paying
• 1:41:01
  that that guy with seventy two followers to say what he says. You put
• 1:41:05
  all of that stuff, all of that angry condemnation, and you make it
• 1:41:12
  loud, unavoidable because you can just walk away from Twitter, right, you
• 1:41:15
  can walk away from all the comments that these people are making loud and unavoidable
• 1:41:20
  and everywhere. Imagine that, Lauren, Imagine waking up into that world.
• 1:41:26
  That's what men live with. That's what men live with. That Twitter commentator
• 1:41:31
  isn't just a Twitter commentator. He's a newspaper. She is a newspaper editor,
• 1:41:39
  publishing articles expressing that notion. That men are lesser morally right, that
• 1:41:45
  that they're anti social, and they're and they're oppressive. He's she is the
• 1:41:50
  tenured professor expressing those notions. She's a she's a government employee creating a program
• 1:41:59
  expressed that she's a celebrity of a celebrity. Yeah, she's a politician,
• 1:42:05
  right. Imagine that. Imagine be inundated by a society in which all of
• 1:42:12
  the podiums that are paid for, all of the podiums that are valued and
• 1:42:15
  given wider reach, are giving you those messages that you don't like when it's
• 1:42:20
  simply some guy on Twitter. Imagine that. And you know what's astounding to
• 1:42:28
  me is that I can talk to a guy who's absolutely pissed because that's what
• 1:42:34
  he's lived with his whole life, and he's he's suddenly discovered that no,
• 1:42:40
  actually women aren't better than men, or it's just he's finally acknowledged it,
• 1:42:45
  and he is full of rage. And I can listen to that rage,
• 1:42:49
  and I can ask him pertinent questions, like not not pointed questions, but
• 1:42:54
  just be like, yeah, okay, so what And at the end of
• 1:42:58
  it, he can say, you know, talking to a reasonable woman has
• 1:43:00
  made me feel less angry. I've seen this over and over again. Ye,
• 1:43:05
  they're not talking to a woman who just listens to me and says,
• 1:43:09
  you know, that's really terrible. I can see where you're coming from.
• 1:43:11
  I would hate to live that way. And at the end of it,
• 1:43:14
  what does he say? I feel a lot better, I feel a lot
• 1:43:16
  less angry. And it's so amazing to me how little it takes, how
• 1:43:24
  little it takes to resolve red pill anger in men, in most men,
• 1:43:30
  and yet these two women are sitting here talking about it and not understanding where
• 1:43:38
  it's coming from, and not and extending any sympathy or understanding for it.
• 1:43:45
  God, it's so fucking dumb, this entire situation. It's so fucking dumb
• 1:43:51
  because all women have to do is swallow their pride a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:43:57
  not being driven by a sense of humiliation and this this absolutely like feral
• 1:44:03
  need for dominance and just listen, just extend their compassion out a bit and
• 1:44:12
  just think about how they would feel. And I already know how Lauren would
• 1:44:15
  feel in Mikaela, because they're already talking about how there's some commentators who are
• 1:44:19
  so terrible that they say that women are dishonorable in liars. Well, yeah,
• 1:44:25
  some commentators, sure, you know. And now we have some larger
• 1:44:30
  YouTube channels that sort of have a similar message. But again, how many
• 1:44:35
  generations have men had to listen to this from celebrities, from politicians, from
• 1:44:40
  academics. They have to read it in syllabuses, they have to read it
• 1:44:44
  in newspapers, they have to see it in government awareness campaigns. Yeah,
• 1:44:50
  and you can't understand tell blonde jokes anymore. You can't even understand how that
• 1:45:00
  might make men angry. Okay, all right, Yeah, like you were
• 1:45:06
  talking about jokes, I was saying that we can't even tell blonde jokes anymore.
• 1:45:13
  Mm hmm. Would you like to hear a blonde joke? Sure,
• 1:45:15
  I'm not blonde. I don't care. Okay. A blonde, a redhead,
• 1:45:20
  and a redhead and a brunette were all lost in the desert. They
• 1:45:24
  found a lamp and rubbed it. A genie popped out and granted each of
• 1:45:28
  them one wish. The redhead wished to be back home. Poof, she
• 1:45:31
  was back home. The brunette wished to be home with her family. Poof,
• 1:45:36
  she was back home with her family, and the blonde looked around and
• 1:45:40
  said, oh, I wish my friends were here. Oh God, alright
• 1:45:48
  anyway, oh I got a super chat. By the way, Albernina Retrocaus,
• 1:45:54
  a two dollars Canadian says fresh and fit are whom they speak You mean,
• 1:45:58
  who they speak of? I mean maybe perhaps I don't know. I
• 1:46:00
  don't watch them, so what are they really that bad? Like, I
• 1:46:03
  don't know. I feel like if I watched them, I hate women.
• 1:46:09
  I think that they are perhaps pathetic for different reasons, but I don't think
• 1:46:13
  they hate women. Well, I don't really watch them because I think,
• 1:46:18
  honestly, I really can't stand stupidity and men. I'm gonna be right out
• 1:46:23
  there and say that, yeah, I agree with lack of self awareness and
• 1:46:27
  stupidity. I just yeah, I hear you. I can't see anybody,
• 1:46:32
  but no, yeah, that's true that you know. But yes, it's
• 1:46:35
  funny. Yeah, but it's like it's it's it's basically seems like to be
• 1:46:41
  two stupid men interviewing stupid women. And I'm like, okay, well this
• 1:46:44
  is entertaining to someone but not me. Am I wrong? Though? Like
• 1:46:48
  I tell, okay, send us a message if I'm wrong. Alison You're
• 1:46:51
  totally wrong. These guys are geniuses, Allison. Why can't why can't blonde
• 1:46:57
  down nine one one? Why? Okay, why can't blunt? I don't
• 1:47:01
  know, Brian, why can't blonde down nine one one? Because they can't
• 1:47:05
  find the eleven? If you guys have any good blonde jokes, drop them
• 1:47:11
  in the chat and leave us a comment. Okay, So let's play a
• 1:47:15
  little bit more of this. Lindsay's home by the way, so I don't
• 1:47:18
  I don't have to go pick her up. And JoJo's with her, right,
• 1:47:21
  JoJo's with her. That's why I turned off the Jojo camp because he's
• 1:47:25
  not here. So as soon as she came in, he was like woofing
• 1:47:29
  and heading towards the door. All right, let's let's play some more.
• 1:47:32
  Yeah, that was a good clarification. This isn't This isn't like liberal women
• 1:47:36
  hatred. This is like actual Yeah. I think I got aggravated by it
• 1:47:42
  because I got divorced and I got The people that were after me online were
• 1:47:49
  from the red pill community who have like no idea about and I haven't made
• 1:47:54
  anything public about like why I got divorced or anything. I'm not going to
• 1:47:57
  do it, but oh, she's I think that's raw that did that.
• 1:48:00
  I'm sorry, but just you know, there are guys that will do anything
• 1:48:05
  to try to like get some relevancy. I wouldn't. I don't know the
• 1:48:10
  story of the divorce, but but I do think that I hope that she
• 1:48:18
  did everything she could to try to keep that shit together, as all I'm
• 1:48:20
  saying, and didn't just say you know what I'm gonna go. Well,
• 1:48:27
  yeah, I don't know. Also, I hope that the kid is able
• 1:48:31
  to see his father. That's all I'll say. Uh Oh, was this
• 1:48:35
  the drama with Rollo being baited? No, No, that that was different.
• 1:48:42
  Although because he was doing all this, he would he would do these
• 1:48:46
  like five to seven hour long streams where he would respond to or talk about
• 1:48:54
  people that are kind of women specifically that were adjacent to like the manisphere of
• 1:48:59
  red pill thing. So he talked about Laurence Southern and Brittany Venti and those
• 1:49:05
  two are the ones that kind of bimbo opt him, which is hilarious,
• 1:49:10
  I have to admit, hilarious, and I think deserved. I think that,
• 1:49:13
  you know, sometimes people get too big for their bridges and need to
• 1:49:16
  be humbled I mean, let me put it. I'll repeat what I said
• 1:49:19
  there, Okay. The fact is that he was taken in, and I
• 1:49:27
  think I got some shit for saying this. He was taken in by a
• 1:49:30
  health employee who basically said he was going to violate privacy. And I'm like,
• 1:49:39
  dude, you or that is unethical, Like why would you why would
• 1:49:45
  you be so greedy for the tea that you would engage in something that is
• 1:49:48
  illegal and unethical mm hmm, And it's it's just I'm like, yeah,
• 1:49:54
  you you deserve that, to be honest. And I think that most I
• 1:50:00
  think a lot of I think, you know, the classic men's rights activists
• 1:50:03
  would probably agree with me. Yeah, but you know, I think there's
• 1:50:10
  others who might not, who think that I would definitely condemn somebody for that.
• 1:50:15
  You know. The more the more I've been involved in this, the
• 1:50:19
  more I think that what we do is very different. And it's not just
• 1:50:26
  like Cassie j like when she and I think that her reporting on this is
• 1:50:29
  fair, so I'm not throwing shade at her, but she sort of like
• 1:50:32
  you know, categorized it in the way that we did in the past,
• 1:50:36
  where it's like, you know, the the men's rights activists want to change
• 1:50:42
  the system or fix the system. The red pill slash PUA guys want to
• 1:50:47
  you know, abuse the system and use it to get women and the make
• 1:50:53
  taw just want out of the system. And I think that's true. But
• 1:50:56
  you have to like continually remember that there are different goals and and you know,
• 1:51:03
  ideas, and there's overlap too. Like a Migtile guy could care about
• 1:51:08
  fixing the system because maybe he has kids or something, or he just you
• 1:51:13
  know, believes in justice. But I think that the way that Lauren and
• 1:51:17
  MICHAELA are characterizing the red Pill seems to be and this, you know what,
• 1:51:21
  this is just the flaw of women. Right. They're looking at the
• 1:51:25
  most popular voices, They're looking at the apex of the manisphere and they're judging
• 1:51:30
  that. So it's like, oh, you know, uh, because Rollo
• 1:51:34
  is not small, right, I mean, I don't know how biggest channel
• 1:51:38
  is, but it's bigger than ours. I bet and Andrew Tate. So
• 1:51:42
  Andrew Tate becomes the biggest voice. It's it's almost suspicious in my opinion,
• 1:51:46
  Like, like til Deer said, I think that he may have been artificially
• 1:51:53
  raised up by by you know, algorithms, because if that guy becomes the
• 1:51:59
  represent then people can just look at him and then pass judgment on people like
• 1:52:03
  us. And I think that is that is its advantage. Well yeah,
• 1:52:09
  but I think it works in favor of you know, the of the the
• 1:52:14
  feminists and stuff, because they can say, look, this is proof,
• 1:52:15
  right if you think it's all to a hate list, like they didn't Paul
• 1:52:20
  or it's something like that, get get the worst example, make him the
• 1:52:24
  most popular voice, and then just let just let it go. But I
• 1:52:30
  think that Mikaela and Lauren make the mistake of doing what women do, looking
• 1:52:34
  at the guys at the top and then saying that's true of all the guys
• 1:52:38
  in that category. I mean, if they want to increase like we would
• 1:52:42
  go on Lauren's show, you know, and talk about these issues. Absolutely.
• 1:52:46
  If you want to increase the visibility of the voices like ours, you
• 1:52:50
  know, I would. One. I think it was Rollo who did that.
• 1:52:54
  The bimbo ops condemn Rollo for that. On an ethical individual ethnical level,
• 1:52:59
  you know, and people should not treat each other in such a way.
• 1:53:02
  And you know, and again Fresh and Fit, I don't really watch
• 1:53:08
  so I don't know as much what they talk about. Like I said,
• 1:53:11
  I have a personal inability to listen to stupid. She doesn't watch videos,
• 1:53:17
  and I also don't watch videos. She doesn't watch videos. She doesn't watch
• 1:53:20
  content like only I have to. I have to find a segment and then
• 1:53:26
  drag her on a show and make her watch it, like Clockwork Orange,
• 1:53:30
  and then she'll respond. But if I just said, hey, have you've
• 1:53:32
  seen this? Guaranteed? No, I don't even ask anymore. People be
• 1:53:35
  like hey, as else, No, she has not. She hasn't seen
• 1:53:39
  it. Whatever it is, she hasn't seen it. So she just doesn't
• 1:53:42
  want I read content. I read content, and I watch watch. I
• 1:53:46
  will watch narrative videos like fiction and stuff though, sure the things that you
• 1:53:51
  can learn from I'll watch. But this stuff is I don't know. It's
• 1:53:56
  a lot of drama. Yeah, I mean I think you don't really get
• 1:54:00
  into it either. It depends on I like watching people's like, well I
• 1:54:03
  don't. I don't. Yeah, you like watching the character arcs watching I
• 1:54:12
  understand people who are drawn in by drama, because you know, sometimes occasionally
• 1:54:15
  it does draw me into but I'm not really that consistently interested and it doesn't
• 1:54:21
  sustain me. I like my drama fictional, shall we say? But yeah,
• 1:54:27
  I can't watch fashion fit like and and if I'm being really mean,
• 1:54:30
  please tell me. But they look like dunderheads to me. Well, the
• 1:54:35
  thing is, I don't think they have anything to offer that I haven't heard.
• 1:54:39
  That's the thing. I'm like, listen, yeah, like that's what
• 1:54:44
  I do. I like listen. I'm like, Okay, okay, let's
• 1:54:46
  have a point. Yeah, she's an idiot, so are you to what
• 1:54:49
  like? It's it's watching idiots very clumsily expose the idiocy of other idiots,
• 1:54:59
  you know, Yeah, And it's it's sort of amusing that. Wow,
• 1:55:03
  idiocracy is sort of right, except it got what it got wrong. What
• 1:55:08
  idiocracy got wrong is that the idiots and idiocracy were well meaning for the most
• 1:55:14
  party, well meaning idiotless well meaning and harmless. The idiots in our idiocracy
• 1:55:20
  are actually incredibly malicious and mean spirited, shall we say. So, it's
• 1:55:30
  they got that part wrong. I think I would rather live in the idiocracy.
• 1:55:33
  Like the idiocracy. Idiocracy was not quite bad enough, but I'd rather
• 1:55:38
  live in it. At least they were well meaning morons. But and I
• 1:55:43
  don't think that Fresh and Fit are necessarily not well meaning. You know what.
• 1:55:47
  The one I don't mind is Abba and Peach or Abba and Preach.
• 1:55:53
  I don't I don't watch that with those guys either, but yeah, they
• 1:55:58
  seem like they're well intentioned. Yeah, the the I don't know, the
• 1:56:02
  calling out the bimbos like mm hmmm, I don't know. I just it
• 1:56:09
  doesn't really apply. Well, yeah, I get it. I mean,
• 1:56:12
  I I think there is some value existent of places like that because I think
• 1:56:21
  that it's probably more of a representation of the common modern woman in that age
• 1:56:30
  range than people would care to admit. And this is like like the Whatever
• 1:56:35
  podcast and Pearls Show and Fresh and Fit. I haven't watched that much of
• 1:56:41
  it, but yes, they get on attractive women. But I don't think
• 1:56:45
  that those women, well, for one, they're definitely not paid actresses pretending
• 1:56:50
  to be like the worst example of women. I think they're more closer to
• 1:56:58
  a typical example. And even if I don't personally like I don't find the
• 1:57:02
  content to my tastes, I do think it is useful to see what women
• 1:57:09
  are out here doing. I do think that, like I don't care about
• 1:57:14
  the host of the show. But like a guy who is looking for a
• 1:57:17
  woman should know that, you know, they have to be very careful when
• 1:57:21
  they vet them because there's a probably a good chance they're gonna be more like
• 1:57:27
  the women who appear on those shows. And I think that it's close,
• 1:57:31
  like you know, cause Laurence Southern tried to do this whole like, oh
• 1:57:34
  you know these red peel guys and the women aren't like that. This is
• 1:57:39
  not how they are, you know. And it's basically the same argument that
• 1:57:42
  the guys of the Daily Wireman will just get married and suck it up and
• 1:57:45
  you're probably gonna be fine. Just be careful, pick a good woman.
• 1:57:47
  What if this is women, Like what if this is most of them?
• 1:57:51
  I mean I don't know, Like I don't think we'll ever really know,
• 1:57:55
  But if that's like closer to the typical, then yeah, no amount of
• 1:58:00
  just suck it up butter Cup is gonna help. So you need to see
• 1:58:03
  it. So like I don't I think that there's some value too it because
• 1:58:06
  otherwise I'm just I'm just echoing the talking points. Or I mean, like,
• 1:58:14
  should there be here's what I think would be good? Maybe there is
• 1:58:17
  like a niche or a need for this. Should there be something like Fresh
• 1:58:23
  and Fit or the whatever podcasts or whatever, or Pearls show that has like
• 1:58:30
  decent people on it, like you know that are that that like are attractive
• 1:58:34
  and and they're not basic. There are out there, but they're probably all
• 1:58:42
  like accounted for, so there's no need for them to be on those things.
• 1:58:45
  Right. Well, I was just thinking, well, until you said
• 1:58:49
  attractive, I was like, well, what about us? But no,
• 1:58:53
  I mean, uh well, I don't know. I don't think where.
• 1:58:57
  I don't think we're hideous. I mean fay though, because we use these
• 1:59:01
  like animal avatars. But it's branding, guys, We're not furries. It's
• 1:59:05
  branding. It all about brand Well, okay, yeah, that might work
• 1:59:13
  to re give people faith back in their fellow humans. How much more of
• 1:59:17
  this do we have to We don't have to go through. I haven't.
• 1:59:20
  I haven't watched the whole thing, like basically got about like this far like
• 1:59:25
  fifty six minutes in. But okay, let's listen to a little bit more.
• 1:59:29
  Let's finish at least their opinion on the red pill. All right,
• 1:59:31
  let me let me get I got two super chats, so let me read
• 1:59:34
  those really quick. Albert Naated retro gives us five dollars. Canadian says,
• 1:59:40
  watch them. It's where I found Tate Waller, Rollo and other clowns of
• 1:59:45
  the like why don't blonde like vibrators because they chip their teeth. I knew
• 1:59:53
  about Rollo from like way back when when uh he blocked Alison and Karen on
• 1:59:58
  Twitter. But I don't he blocked I thought he blocked you and Karen.
• 2:00:03
  I don't know. Maybe Albert Nata Ruschel then gives another five dollars. Canadian
• 2:00:08
  says, Abbott and preach hate Fresh and Fit and have called up Pearl.
• 2:00:12
  Why are blonde jokes one liners so men can remember them? Wait? Something's
• 2:00:15
  off with that joke? Haha, not bad. I mean I don't know,
• 2:00:18
  like, like, what is Pearl doing wrong like that I would.
• 2:00:23
  I'm not saying that she's like above criticism, but I think I worry about
• 2:00:27
  people who go around calling out everybody that talks in this space because I feel
• 2:00:30
  like they're just trying to maintain a status quo of like some feminism, like
• 2:00:35
  you know, and some demonization of men. It's like, well, we
• 2:00:40
  were okay demonizing men to this degree, but not like to the extent that
• 2:00:44
  you guys are taking it. It's like it's all got to stop. So
• 2:00:47
  I don't know, if you're going to call out Pearl, then I want
• 2:00:50
  something legitimate, Like what is she doing wrong? Is it because she's taking
• 2:00:55
  Kevin Samuel, the late Kevin Samuel's work and carrying it forward. I don't
• 2:01:00
  care if she picks up his torch. I mean, I don't know.
• 2:01:03
  Well, let's look at this way. Pearl is definitely a gadfly. I
• 2:01:06
  don't like agree with her takes, but I think that she's trying to to
• 2:01:12
  open up a conversation. Perhaps Yeah, you know, I don't necessarily find
• 2:01:16
  what she has to say the deepest, uh, but I don't begrudge her
• 2:01:20
  saying it. Yeah, you know, and people actually called you out for
• 2:01:26
  for saying that you like you, Brian can like read the worst into Roma.
• 2:01:33
  My opinion of Roma is she has some really terrible takes. I cannot
• 2:01:39
  stand her presentation and her branding, like it's just not for me. But
• 2:01:44
  sometimes she makes sense, you know, Yeah, does some stuff uh now
• 2:01:48
  with breaking new ground, but I do think there are limits. Pearl is
• 2:01:55
  pig atted as far as I can tell, and she is taking a lot
• 2:01:59
  of ship for what she does. So in many ways, the irony is
• 2:02:04
  that she'll say these things that really get people's dander up and then get so
• 2:02:09
  much abuse back, and it's like, well, you know, and and
• 2:02:14
  and people feel like it's justified to abuse her because she got their dander up,
• 2:02:18
  right, And it's like, hmmm, is it though, And also
• 2:02:24
  doesn't the abuse sort of justify what she's saying. If you're going to react
• 2:02:29
  that strongly and that viciously to what she has to say, maybe it needed
• 2:02:33
  to be said. Okay, So that's what I would say about her.
• 2:02:42
  As for the rest of them, like, oh god, well there,
• 2:02:45
  you know, I just I'll just say that I I take pleasure in the
• 2:02:50
  knowledge that there are more people talking about the stuff, and they're not They're
• 2:02:54
  not all going to get it, you know, right, they're not.
• 2:02:58
  They're not their own approach and it. But it's okay. I think the
• 2:03:01
  truth shakes out eventually. So yes, what I was gonna say is that
• 2:03:08
  it may not just be like artificially inflated. People do prefer dumb, Yeah,
• 2:03:15
  there is there there is something too. The dumber you like you make
• 2:03:19
  your content, the more it will appeal to people. And we're not dumb,
• 2:03:26
  Like it's not what we do is not dumb. It is we go
• 2:03:30
  pretty deep. We don't always go into places where we know exactly what's going
• 2:03:35
  on. I think you guys have noticed that that we're often trying to grope
• 2:03:40
  for an understanding of stuff. So you know, we don't we don't present
• 2:03:45
  a pat answer to a lot of things. And like I, I actually
• 2:03:49
  prefer Twitter because ironically, I feel like the information on Twitter can be deeper
• 2:03:57
  than what you get on YouTube because you can you can actually do links and
• 2:04:02
  now you can do extended discussions and stuff. But it's so I'm more often
• 2:04:09
  on Twitter, which is unfortunate because I probably should be giving more love to
• 2:04:12
  our YouTube, main YouTube channel. But yeah, so I don't know where
• 2:04:16
  I was going with that. Well, I've taken you to a spot.
• 2:04:21
  Okay, should I do at Yeah, we'll do a little bit more.
• 2:04:26
  And then I think, lovely non segue, non segue there, guys,
• 2:04:30
  I think growing up, I had a why can't I hear this? Do
• 2:04:33
  you are you not? What? Why can't you hear this? Can you
• 2:04:38
  not hear this? Let me play a little more. I can I can
• 2:04:42
  hear it now, Okay, okay, because my dad did have conservative values.
• 2:04:45
  Even though I said that he was kind of a liberal household, he
• 2:04:48
  had very conservative values on marriage. And obviously a stable family is better for
• 2:04:54
  children if that's something that you can manage. But I think and that was
• 2:04:58
  solidly my view you and then I ended up in a situation where I needed
• 2:05:03
  to get divorced and it was such a like mind fuck for lack of a
• 2:05:09
  better Okay, but wait, Mikaela, you apparently married a guy who thought
• 2:05:16
  he could do magic. Yeah. Oh, wait, are you talking about
• 2:05:23
  Resputin? Are we talking about rescue? Oyess, we're talking about Resputin.
• 2:05:27
  I'm pretty sure. Like, okay, you say I ended up in a
• 2:05:30
  place, No, you went. Do you realize what happened to the Romanovs?
• 2:05:35
  Yeah? Like, do you know your Russian history? Here? Like,
• 2:05:41
  you went to that place, and then you're like, this place.
• 2:05:45
  I don't want to be in this place, but you went there. And
• 2:05:47
  here's the other thing. If you don't acknowledge that you took yourself there,
• 2:05:50
  you're gonna go there again and again and again. And this is the real
• 2:05:56
  problem with single mothers. Guys. They're going to go there again and again
• 2:06:00
  and again. Do you want to be that place? No? You know,
• 2:06:04
  unless they take responsibility and they don't talk about it in these terms,
• 2:06:10
  like the terms that she's using is a red flag. I ended up really,
• 2:06:15
  Yeah, your voices brought you there. Yeah, I agree one hundred
• 2:06:23
  percent. I know you know Mikhael is not going to put out all of
• 2:06:27
  her dirty laundry. But like you can certainly infer ship was going on.
• 2:06:31
  And yeah, but here's the thing, like, I don't have to infer
• 2:06:35
  anything about this. She's not taking responsibility for her choices. Like you look
• 2:06:42
  down and you're in a place and you're like, oh, well, how
• 2:06:44
  did I get here? Well, look behind you and see the footprints and
• 2:06:48
  ask yourself who, who, who put who created those footprints, and then
• 2:06:54
  you will find the answer to how you got there. Okay, you got
• 2:06:59
  there because because you chose that predirection to walk in, and until you take
• 2:07:03
  responsibility for that, you are going to continue to walk in that direction.
• 2:07:10
  Right, This is a red flag. If she had if she was sitting
• 2:07:12
  here saying, you know, I made some bad choices. I didn't look
• 2:07:19
  for what I should, you know, and I'm working on myself now to
• 2:07:21
  stop making those bad choices for going further that wouldn't be as much of a
• 2:07:27
  red flag as this. And the other thing is with single mothers. I
• 2:07:33
  was reading one comment by a guy who was actually a child of a single
• 2:07:39
  mother, and one of the very painful experiences that he had was that her
• 2:07:45
  the single mother and it wasn't even any abusive like stepfathers or boyfriends of his
• 2:07:49
  single mother. They would come into his life and there would be like a
• 2:07:55
  couple months where he would feel like he had a relationship with the man like
• 2:08:01
  a father figure, and then they disappear so over and over and over again.
• 2:08:07
  This happened to him because he was a child of a single mother and
• 2:08:11
  he was about to get into a relationship with another single mother, and then
• 2:08:16
  he remembered his experience of being the child who made these connections with these men
• 2:08:22
  because you know, you're a child, you want a father figure, and
• 2:08:24
  they kept having them broken over and over again, and he decided not to
• 2:08:28
  be the next man, you know who broke the single mother's kid's heart,
• 2:08:33
  you know, And he said, nope, I'm not getting in a relationship
• 2:08:35
  with him, with you, and that is one hundred percent exactly the mentality
• 2:08:41
  meant to have when it comes to single mothers. Don't be the next man
• 2:08:46
  to break her kid's heart. Yep, okay, all right, you want
• 2:08:52
  to do anymore? Should we call it here? Let's just see what what
• 2:08:58
  else? Okay, all right, let's get going. Because I was like,
• 2:09:01
  this isn't something that would happen to me. I'm really like, I
• 2:09:03
  think I'm good at negotiating. Am I bad at negotiating? Like? Why
• 2:09:07
  can't I make this work? What's wrong with me? And why can't I
• 2:09:09
  make this work? And then it gave me a lot more sympathy for for
• 2:09:15
  I think divorces and I don't know, like the statistics around divorces are pretty
• 2:09:22
  rough. There are a lot of people getting divorced. And my view used
• 2:09:26
  to be, well, that's because people aren't taking marriage seriously. And then
• 2:09:30
  you see celebrities like it was Emma Radit. No, celebrities almost never take
• 2:09:35
  marriages seriously. I think it's part of the career path. Getting married puts
• 2:09:39
  you in the spotlight, then you get roles. It's I don't think marriage
• 2:09:43
  in Hollywood is anything that you should be looking at. Very few, very
• 2:09:48
  few people stay together, and it's usually because one of the people is not
• 2:09:54
  a celebrity, like like Pierce Prosiden You know, we talked a little bit
• 2:09:58
  about that. He the wife, he's the guy who played James Bond in
• 2:10:01
  the nineties. I'm gonna say that I think mik Mikhaela and Lauren Southern have
• 2:10:07
  red pilled a lot of men, oh yeah, on women, Like yeah,
• 2:10:11
  the damage that what they've done has been two men willing to get in
• 2:10:16
  relationships. It's like, and honestly, it's not conservative women. You shouldn't
• 2:10:26
  be looking any even women who are into men's issues, if they cannot take
• 2:10:31
  responsibility for themselves. If you hear language like this coming from them, that
• 2:10:37
  is the biggest red flag you can possibly see. Do not get into relationships
• 2:10:45
  with women who do not take responsibility for the fact that their lives are the
• 2:10:48
  things that they have created for themselves, right that that's like, Do not
• 2:10:54
  get into relationships with women who abdicate their responsibilities over their own over their own
• 2:11:01
  choices. Just don't. Yeah, yeah, I think I think that's the
• 2:11:05
  first thing you look for. All right, Uh, let me let her
• 2:11:11
  finish her point and then we'll get there. I think Showski probably saying that
• 2:11:16
  wrong. Who went viral being like, Oh, I think it's like I
• 2:11:20
  think it's chic to be divorced by the time you're thirty, which is I
• 2:11:24
  think what the red pill community looks ack, and it's like, that's what
• 2:11:28
  a woman is. But and so that was what my view of people who
• 2:11:33
  got divorced were were people who weren't taking marriage seriously. But then it happened
• 2:11:37
  to me, and it feel like, well, it happened to me,
• 2:11:41
  Yeah, it happened to me, right, Like who initiated the divorce?
• 2:11:48
  Why did you marry? Don't we don't, like, we don't even need
• 2:11:54
  to know the details. It happened to me just from this no offense.
• 2:12:01
  That's what I'm saying right in front of me. This happened to you,
• 2:12:05
  really, Okay, it just happened to you. Your life just happens to
• 2:12:11
  you. Run away from women who expressed this sentiment. If life just happens
• 2:12:18
  to you, then they have no ability to take responsibility. Yeah, like,
• 2:12:26
  okay, keep going right with more compassion. I probably went too far
• 2:12:31
  in the other direction, whereas like, oh, you got divorced, what
• 2:12:33
  happened to you? Like something must have happened, whereas before the divorce,
• 2:12:37
  I was more on the side of, well, why didn't you negotiate your
• 2:12:41
  way out of it? Something something to your fall. So that's probably where
• 2:12:45
  they'll like more irritation at the red pill community came from, because they judge
• 2:12:50
  you. Yeah, I'm not judging you for your divorce or being a single
• 2:12:54
  mother right now. I'm judging you for the fact that you are not taking
• 2:12:58
  a responsibility for the outcome of your life, like it happened to me.
• 2:13:05
  I just ended up there. Really, Yeah, that's that's pretty avoidant.
• 2:13:13
  Mm hmmm, well I think it prob Does it just continue along this line?
• 2:13:18
  I probably, I don't know. I didn't. I didn't watch anymore
• 2:13:22
  after this point. You want to see more of it? Is there an
• 2:13:28
  eventual point aside from I don't know, I don't know. I think they're
• 2:13:33
  just this is just one of like many little conversations they have. So let's
• 2:13:39
  try to think, right, there is a huge lack of compassion, and
• 2:13:43
  I like, I've seen things about like single mothers and yeah, like they
• 2:13:48
  are selfish. It's like, well, you don't know, like if someone
• 2:13:50
  like like is collecting welfare and just trying to like have as many kids as
• 2:13:54
  possible with different baby daddy. Like yeah, obviously that's repulsive behavior. But
• 2:13:58
  it's like I know single moms who are single moms because their husband their fall,
• 2:14:03
  like they've literally abandoned them. Like how Like people like, oh,
• 2:14:07
  well, that's a fringe case. Like how do you know how much of
• 2:14:09
  a fringe or not fringe case it is? That's the thing, Like you
• 2:14:13
  you don't care? Are guys guys, Lauren? You have kids. If
• 2:14:18
  you do not hold women into account for their behavior, your kids are going
• 2:14:22
  to live a nightmare. It's as simple as that. If you continue to
• 2:14:28
  give excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse to women, we everything is just
• 2:14:35
  going to get worse. You will long for the days that Andrew Tate was
• 2:14:39
  the big thing, all right, just like you're longing for the days than
• 2:14:45
  when the you know, the red pill was just us men's rights activists.
• 2:14:50
  Okay, if women are not held to account, if you continue to give
• 2:14:54
  more and more excuses to women, the social fabric is going to be prayed
• 2:15:00
  and destroyed more and more, and eventually the rest of the world is not
• 2:15:03
  gonna bankroll our ass And when that happens. Oh god, it's gonna be
• 2:15:11
  horrible. I'm not looking forward to it because I feel like I'm probably gonna
• 2:15:15
  be geriatric by the time it happens if it doesn't happen soon. But think
• 2:15:18
  about the think about the world your children are gonna grow up in. Lauren
• 2:15:26
  and mckailan, like, think about it. It's right now. You can
• 2:15:30
  start taking responsibility and holding other women to account for their choices that are destroying
• 2:15:37
  our future, or you can continue to make excuses and watch your children inherit
• 2:15:41
  a nightmare. It's your choice, and I don't think we need to watch
• 2:15:46
  anymore because it's just descended. Yeah, it's just uh, it's just descending.
• 2:15:54
  Yeah, like women worsting basically, and and like it like there's women
• 2:16:01
  have all opportunities to decide whether or not they're going to have a baby with
• 2:16:07
  a man, and and you know the man that would normally have stayed but
• 2:16:13
  then takes off. That's not normal, Like there are no men just doing
• 2:16:18
  that, So like there's no there are either men who are just trying to
• 2:16:24
  they don't they just want to have sex and they don't concern themselves with the
• 2:16:28
  consequences. So maybe they're just like, well, I don't want to use
• 2:16:31
  a conduct or whatever. Yes, but but you don't have to fuck those
• 2:16:33
  guys like you you can sust them out right. But there are a lot
• 2:16:39
  of men, and I think it's the majority of men that do want just
• 2:16:43
  to like, you know, they want it easy, like they want to
• 2:16:46
  find somebody, get married, have babies, and that's it, Like just
• 2:16:50
  live the life like that because everything else is a lot of stress and work.
• 2:16:52
  And I think there's only a few men that are willing to do that.
• 2:16:56
  You're right, they want it easy. But but women picking those dudes.
• 2:17:01
  Okay, let's let's let's bring this down to brass tacks. These these
• 2:17:05
  two women need to ask themselves why is it there are so many single women?
• 2:17:09
  Now, what has happened? Do you think? What do you think
• 2:17:13
  that what's happened is that men have are now doing way more abandonment. Okay,
• 2:17:20
  So that the change isn't due to the fact that when women get divorced
• 2:17:26
  they're almost guaranteed custody and some kind of payment from the man. All right,
• 2:17:31
  Okay, that that's not the case. The divorce rate has guyrocketed in
• 2:17:39
  the past, and feminists say this, so we'll go with it. But
• 2:17:43
  when men could more readily have a divorce than women, almost nobody got divorced.
• 2:17:50
  Right now, that women can more readily have a divorce than men,
• 2:17:54
  the divorce rate is fifty percent. Yep, right, okay, what's the
• 2:18:01
  difference? Think about it very carefully. Men can more readily have a divorce.
• 2:18:07
  Divorce rate is at like three percent. Women can more readily have a
• 2:18:11
  divorce than men. Divorce rate is fifty percent. What's the difference? Okay,
• 2:18:18
  think about it. It boggles the mind, all right, and that's
• 2:18:24
  what we have to address, right what has changed? I just don't feel
• 2:18:30
  like this is productive anymore. So I got a super chat from Albert Nada
• 2:18:35
  retchrogue is five dollars Canadian and says Lauren southerns showed her true colors when she
• 2:18:39
  threw in with Britney VENTI. It's like Justin Trudeau working with the Block a
• 2:18:45
  few years ago. At vomit vomit emoji. Uh yeah, thank you for
• 2:18:50
  that. I did see something from Britney VENTI. I was gonna respond to
• 2:18:56
  or that, but I don't. I can't find I'll look for it later.
• 2:19:00
  Yeah, I mean, like like I said, they're just trying to
• 2:19:03
  like maintain there's this, there's there are these women. They want a status
• 2:19:07
  quo. They don't like all the anger, and they want men to just
• 2:19:11
  stop getting mad and just like you know, fall back in place. But
• 2:19:15
  nothing, nothing's getting better, nothing's improving, and so you're just gonna have
• 2:19:18
  more of that. And until you stop like just trying to put men in
• 2:19:22
  their place, you know where they were well behaved responsibility, Yeah, will
• 2:19:28
  you stop evading accountability? Women? They know the statement, women hold out
• 2:19:35
  half the sky, and yet we can't hold them accountable for not holding up
• 2:19:39
  their half. Yeah, women hold up half the sky. That's why it's
• 2:19:43
  falling. Mm hmm. Right, Until we hold them accountable for it,
• 2:19:48
  it's gonna continue to fall. What we're seeing is women no longer like leaving
• 2:19:54
  their They're part of the bargain and it is not sustainable. And if if
• 2:20:00
  you have kids, which both of these women do, you got to stop
• 2:20:03
  thinking about constantly giving yourselves out. You're not children anymore, either of you,
• 2:20:09
  your mother's. You gotta start thinking about the future for your kids.
• 2:20:15
  Yeah, stop looking at the world through the eyes of a child, and
• 2:20:18
  start looking at the world through the eyes of an adult who has to make
• 2:20:22
  a world worth living for in for your kids, Like, how do I
• 2:20:30
  like? This is what I see? I see two infants whining about the
• 2:20:35
  fact that anybody is holding them accountable. Maybe not, I'm sorry. I
• 2:20:41
  know you say that Lauren is maybe better than this. This is all I
• 2:20:45
  don't know. I mean, I just said that she is generally more sympathetic.
• 2:20:48
  But I think you know this is this is the limit. We found
• 2:20:52
  the limit. Yeah, and this is where the line is exactly, you
• 2:20:56
  know, and like, yeah, most of these women have a lie.
• 2:21:01
  You gotta find the pig heads like me and Karen and Hannah and our line
• 2:21:07
  is only fuck, give me the truth. I don't give a shit if
• 2:21:09
  it's insulting or it's humiliating or it's scary. I want the truth. And
• 2:21:13
  I see the freaking truth. I can see it and the future that it
• 2:21:18
  points out. And believe me, you are not going to enjoy it,
• 2:21:22
  and your kids are gonna like it even less. You have to hold women
• 2:21:24
  accountable. You gotta stop looking at the world through the eyes of an infant
• 2:21:30
  that wants to that feels like it's somehow gonna die. If it's not hell.
• 2:21:35
  If it's held accountable for something that's a childish view of the world.
• 2:21:41
  An adult seeks accountability and responsibility. An adult woman sitting here would say,
• 2:21:46
  what have we done as women to cause this problem? And how do we
• 2:21:52
  fix it? Not? Oh, I don't like the fact that someone's pointing
• 2:21:56
  out that I might be responsible for something because some of the little baby and
• 2:22:00
  if I'm responsible, that means I don't get to have things from daddy,
• 2:22:05
  like what grow up? Okay, I feel like this is not gonna get
• 2:22:11
  any more productive, so no, we can wrap it up here. Let
• 2:22:13
  me see, I did get another super chat. I have to walk home
• 2:22:18
  in the cold, guys, I got another super chat. No, we
• 2:22:20
  went. We went for good length from albert Ata retro for two longs Canadian
• 2:22:24
  and he says badger heads not pig heads. The bad ones are pigs all
• 2:22:30
  right, thank you? You mean badger head, bad badger headed instead of
• 2:22:35
  pig headed. Yet it's actually a really good tote of animal for for the
• 2:22:39
  for women like this, it's just like, yeah, you just stick your
• 2:22:43
  teeth in the truth and you're like, yeah, no, I'm not letting
• 2:22:45
  go. Yeah, goad sad keeps trying to appropriate it though not appreciate it
• 2:22:50
  really for what well, Goad sad you guys don't know, he's like that.
• 2:22:56
  I don't know. He he's got a channel. He's like a professor
• 2:22:58
  or something, and he talks about bringing out your inner honey Badger all the
• 2:23:05
  time on his show. That's like, we've been doing this for a way
• 2:23:07
  longer, and he's actually had Karen on, so I feel like he knows
• 2:23:13
  about it, and then he just sort of uses it and inserts general means.
• 2:23:18
  So yeah, I guess, so I guess, So I don't know.
• 2:23:22
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• 2:23:33
  i'd like just to reiterate that it seems like everybody else is absolutely allergic
• 2:23:37
  to holding women into account, even even the so called red pill, because
• 2:23:41
  when you say, well, it's female nature to lie and be dishonorable,
• 2:23:46
  that's giving women a way out mm hmmm, because it's essentially saying we can't
• 2:23:52
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• 2:23:56
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• 2:23:58
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• 2:24:03
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• 2:24:09
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• 2:24:16
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• 2:24:20
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• 2:24:22
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