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From Omnipotence to Amipotence: Rethinking Divine Control Through Jessica Jones · Systematic Geekology

1:30
Foreign.
1:35
The
1:36
coercive,
1:37
controlling
1:38
love
1:38
of
1:38
God
1:39
in
1:39
this
1:39
chilies.
1:40
Today
1:40
we're
1:41
going
1:41
to
1:41
be
1:41
considering
1:41
whether
1:42
or
1:42
not
1:42
love
1:43
can
1:43
ever
1:44
be
1:44
controlling.
1:45
Specifically,
1:45
we're
1:46
going
1:46
to
1:46
be
1:46
looking
1:46
at
1:46
this
1:46
through
1:47
the
1:47
lens
1:47
of
1:47
the
1:48
character
1:48
Kilgrave,
1:49
aka
1:49
Mr.
1:50
Purple
1:50
in
1:51
the
1:51
Alias
1:51
comics
1:52
and
1:52
Jessica
1:52
Jones
1:53
television
1:54
series.
1:55
We're
1:55
going
1:55
to
1:55
have
1:55
a
1:55
blast.
1:56
We're
1:56
going
1:56
to
1:56
get
1:56
deep.
1:57
It's
1:57
going
1:57
to
1:57
be
1:57
wild.
1:58
I
1:59
can't
1:59
wait
1:59
for
1:59
this.
1:59
We
1:59
are
2:00
the
2:00
priest
2:00
of
2:00
the
2:00
geeks.
2:01
I'm
2:01
Joshua
2:02
Null
2:03
and
2:03
I
2:03
am
2:04
here
2:04
with
2:04
the
2:05
wondrous
2:05
pastor
2:06
of
2:06
Holy
2:06
Trinity
2:06
Lutheran
2:07
Church
2:07
in
2:07
Chapel
2:07
Hill,
2:07
North
2:08
Carolina,
2:08
the
2:08
one
2:08
and
2:09
only
2:09
Pastor
2:10
Will
2:10
Rose.
2:10
How's
2:10
it
2:11
going?
2:11
Great,
2:12
guys.
2:12
Glad
2:12
we're
2:13
here.
2:13
What
2:13
a
2:13
cool
2:13
topic.
2:14
Can't
2:14
wait
2:14
to
2:15
dive
2:15
in.
2:16
And
2:16
usually
2:16
I
2:17
use
2:17
hyperbole
2:17
here,
2:18
but
2:18
I'm
2:18
going
2:18
to
2:18
tell
2:18
you
2:18
guys
2:19
the
2:19
truth
2:19
for
2:20
once.
2:21
This
2:21
conversation
2:22
was
2:22
actually
2:22
inspired
2:23
by
2:23
the
2:24
guest
2:24
and
2:24
former
2:25
host,
2:25
the
2:26
beautiful
2:26
and
2:27
handsome
2:27
Nick
2:28
Polk.
2:28
How's
2:28
it
2:28
going,
2:29
dude?
2:29
I'm
2:29
so
2:29
good.
2:30
Especially
2:30
when
2:30
Pastor
2:31
Will
2:31
pulls
2:31
out
2:31
the
2:32
Shaka.
2:32
You
2:33
know,
2:33
when
2:33
we're
2:33
talking
2:33
about
2:34
freaking
2:35
double
2:35
Shaka.
2:35
I'm
2:35
ready.
2:36
Talking
2:36
about
2:36
Jessica
2:37
Jones.
2:37
I'm
2:37
ready.
2:37
Double
2:38
Shaka.
2:39
Yeah.
2:39
Yeah.
2:40
This
2:40
is
2:40
one
2:41
I
2:41
do
2:41
think
2:41
is.
2:42
You
2:42
know,
2:42
it'll
2:42
be
2:42
good
2:42
on
2:43
the
2:43
podcast,
2:43
but
2:43
you
2:43
guys
2:44
should
2:44
check
2:44
it
2:44
out
2:44
on
2:44
YouTube
2:45
if
2:45
you
2:45
haven't
2:45
because
2:46
this
2:46
is
2:46
going
2:46
to
2:46
be
2:46
a
2:46
YouTube
2:47
friendly
2:47
episode.
2:48
If
2:48
you're
2:49
on
2:49
a
2:49
laptop,
2:50
please
2:50
consider
2:50
rating
2:51
and
2:51
reviewing
2:51
our
2:51
show
2:52
on
2:52
podchaser
2:52
or
2:52
on
2:53
goodpod.
2:53
That's
2:53
going
2:53
to
2:54
help
2:54
our
2:54
show
2:54
gain
2:54
recognition,
2:55
make
2:55
it
2:55
easier
2:56
to
2:56
find,
2:56
showing
2:57
other
2:57
search
2:58
engines,
2:58
that
2:58
kind
2:58
of
2:58
stuff.
2:59
Algorithms.
3:00
Trust
3:00
us,
3:00
bro.
3:01
Totally.
3:01
Sources.
3:02
If
3:03
you're
3:03
on
3:03
your
3:03
phone,
3:04
please
3:04
consider
3:04
rating,
3:05
reviewing
3:05
or
3:05
commenting
3:06
on
3:06
our
3:06
show
3:06
on
3:06
Apple
3:07
Podcasts
3:07
or
3:07
Spotify.
3:09
Cause
3:09
that
3:09
helps
3:09
us
3:09
prioritize
3:10
the
3:10
show
3:11
in
3:11
those
3:11
apps
3:11
specifically,
3:12
which
3:13
is
3:13
what
3:13
most
3:13
people
3:13
who
3:13
listen
3:14
to
3:14
podcasts
3:14
use.
3:15
So
3:15
yeah,
3:15
thank
3:16
you
3:16
in
3:16
advance
3:16
for
3:16
your
3:17
support.
3:17
Free
3:17
support
3:18
is
3:18
great
3:18
and
3:19
it
3:19
doesn't
3:19
even
3:19
take
3:19
that
3:19
much
3:20
time.
3:20
So
3:20
we
3:20
appreciate
3:21
you
3:21
guys
3:21
spending
3:21
a
3:22
little
3:22
bit
3:22
of
3:22
time
3:22
to
3:22
help
3:22
our
3:23
show
3:23
out.
3:23
And,
3:24
and
3:24
of
3:24
course
3:24
we
3:24
also
3:25
thank
3:25
our
3:25
supporters
3:26
who
3:26
do
3:26
throw
3:27
a
3:27
little
3:27
cash
3:27
at
3:27
us.
3:27
You
3:28
know,
3:28
we
3:28
give
3:29
them
3:29
little
3:29
teases
3:29
here
3:29
and
3:29
there
3:30
over
3:30
on
3:30
Apple
3:31
Podcast,
3:31
Captivate
3:31
and
3:32
Patreon
3:32
when
3:32
they
3:32
throw
3:33
money
3:33
at
3:33
us.
3:33
And
3:34
we
3:34
want
3:34
to
3:34
especially
3:35
thank
3:35
the
3:35
one
3:35
and
3:35
only
3:36
Russell
3:36
Gentry.
3:37
Thank
3:37
you
3:37
for
3:38
supporting
3:38
the
3:38
show.
3:39
You
3:39
rock.
3:39
And
3:39
remember
3:40
guys,
3:40
if
3:40
you
3:40
want
3:40
your
3:41
own
3:41
shout
3:41
out,
3:41
you
3:42
too
3:42
can
3:42
support
3:42
our
3:42
show
3:43
for
3:43
$3
3:44
a
3:44
month
3:44
on
3:44
one
3:44
of
3:44
those
3:44
three
3:45
platforms.
3:45
Apple
3:45
Podcast
3:46
Captivate
3:46
or
3:46
Patreon?
3:47
All
3:48
right,
3:48
guys,
3:49
Will,
3:49
what
3:49
are
3:49
we
3:49
geeking
3:50
out
3:50
on
3:50
before
3:50
we
3:50
get
3:50
into
3:51
the
3:51
episode?
3:51
Where
3:52
are
3:52
you
3:52
at,
3:53
man?
3:53
It
3:53
is
3:53
a
3:54
good
3:54
time
3:55
to
3:55
be
3:55
a
3:55
TV
3:56
fan.
3:56
There's
3:56
so
3:56
many
3:57
cool
3:57
shows
3:58
that
3:58
are
3:58
out
3:58
there
3:58
right
3:59
now,
3:59
like
3:59
Abbott
4:00
Elementary,
4:00
White
4:01
Lotus,
4:01
Daredevil,
4:02
Righteous
4:03
Gemstones.
4:03
Next
4:04
season
4:04
came
4:04
on
4:05
and
4:05
or
4:06
season
4:06
two
4:06
is
4:06
right
4:06
around
4:07
the
4:07
corner.
4:07
But
4:07
one
4:08
thing
4:08
that
4:08
I
4:08
am
4:08
totally
4:09
geeking
4:09
out
4:09
on,
4:09
I
4:09
still
4:09
need
4:10
to
4:10
watch
4:10
the
4:10
finale
4:10
is
4:10
paradise
4:11
on
4:11
Hulu.
4:12
Sterling
4:12
K.
4:12
Brown,
4:13
incredible
4:14
TV
4:14
show
4:15
I
4:15
heard
4:15
about
4:15
through
4:15
the
4:15
grapevine.
4:16
Then
4:16
we
4:16
started
4:17
watching
4:17
it.
4:17
I'm
4:17
totally
4:17
hooked.
4:18
It
4:18
is
4:18
un,
4:19
unbelievably
4:19
good
4:20
if
4:20
you
4:20
haven't
4:21
started
4:21
watching.
4:21
It's
4:21
only
4:22
eight
4:22
episodes,
4:22
but
4:22
man,
4:24
it's
4:24
so
4:24
good
4:24
it's
4:25
hard
4:25
to
4:25
not
4:25
just
4:25
binge
4:26
it
4:26
all
4:26
the
4:26
way
4:26
through.
4:27
I
4:27
have
4:27
one
4:27
more.
4:28
It's
4:29
out
4:29
there.
4:29
It's
4:29
been
4:30
out
4:30
there
4:30
a
4:30
while.
4:30
But
4:30
the
4:30
finale
4:30
is.
4:31
You're
4:31
always
4:31
trying
4:31
to
4:31
make
4:31
every
4:32
geeking
4:32
out
4:32
on
4:33
into
4:33
a
4:33
lightning
4:33
round.
4:34
That's
4:34
what
4:34
he
4:34
started.
4:35
I
4:35
did
4:35
it.
4:35
I
4:35
did
4:35
it.
4:36
It's
4:36
just
4:36
a
4:36
good
4:37
time.
4:37
But
4:37
Paradise.
4:37
Paradise
4:38
is
4:38
the
4:39
TV
4:40
show
4:40
that
4:40
I'm
4:40
most
4:41
geeking
4:41
out
4:41
about
4:41
right
4:41
now.
4:42
All
4:42
right,
4:43
I
4:43
will
4:43
next
4:44
give
4:44
Nick
4:44
as
4:44
much
4:45
time
4:45
as
4:45
possible
4:45
think
4:45
about
4:46
what
4:46
he's
4:47
geeking
4:47
out
4:47
on.
4:47
You
4:48
can
4:48
share
4:48
with
4:48
us.
4:49
I'm
4:49
geeking
4:49
out
4:50
on
4:50
Relevant
4:50
to
4:50
this
4:51
episode,
4:52
actually.
4:53
It's
4:53
a
4:53
series
4:54
that
4:54
came
4:54
out
4:54
last
4:54
year
4:55
that
4:55
I
4:55
forgot
4:55
to
4:55
finish.
4:56
I
4:56
started
4:56
it
4:56
and
4:57
then
4:57
stuff
4:58
happened
4:58
at
4:58
my
4:58
house
4:58
and
4:59
then
4:59
moving
4:59
and
4:59
all
4:59
this
4:59
stuff
5:00
happened.
5:00
But
5:00
it's
5:00
Rivals.
5:01
It's
5:02
a
5:02
Hulu
5:02
series
5:03
starring
5:03
David
5:03
Tennant.
5:05
It's
5:05
fantastic.
5:06
He's
5:06
not
5:07
quite
5:07
as
5:07
evil
5:07
in
5:08
that
5:08
one
5:08
as
5:08
he's
5:08
in
5:09
what
5:09
we're
5:09
going
5:09
to
5:09
be
5:09
talking
5:09
about
5:10
today,
5:10
but
5:11
he's
5:11
pretty
5:11
darn
5:12
close.
5:12
Yeah,
5:13
Evil
5:14
billionaires.
5:15
Great
5:15
stuff.
5:15
It's
5:15
so
5:16
much
5:16
fun.
5:16
Lots
5:16
of
5:16
drama
5:17
and
5:18
conniving.
5:19
It's
5:20
fiction.
5:20
It's
5:20
fiction.
5:22
Mostly.
5:22
It's
5:22
mostly
5:23
fiction.
5:23
It's
5:23
about
5:23
like
5:24
the
5:24
beginning
5:24
of
5:24
the
5:24
broadcasting
5:25
world,
5:26
you
5:26
know.
5:27
But
5:27
anyway,
5:28
also
5:29
here
5:29
with
5:29
the
5:29
one,
5:29
the
5:30
only
5:30
beautiful.
5:31
Nick,
5:32
what
5:33
beautiful
5:33
items
5:33
have
5:33
you
5:34
been
5:34
geeking
5:34
out
5:34
on,
5:35
man?
5:36
You
5:36
know,
5:36
I
5:36
keep
5:37
hearing
5:37
about
5:37
paradise
5:38
and
5:38
I
5:39
need
5:39
to
5:39
watch
5:39
it
5:40
as
5:40
well
5:40
as,
5:40
you
5:41
know,
5:41
David
5:41
Tennant
5:42
as
5:42
a
5:42
villain
5:43
and
5:43
anything.
5:43
And
5:43
David
5:43
Tennant
5:44
in
5:44
anything
5:44
is
5:44
amazing.
5:45
But
5:45
DAV
5:45
lieutenant
5:45
is
5:46
a
5:46
villain
5:46
is
5:46
so
5:46
good
5:48
currently.
5:49
Really
5:49
the
5:50
thing
5:50
that
5:50
I've
5:50
been
5:50
geeking
5:51
out
5:51
on
5:51
lately
5:52
has
5:53
been
5:53
on
5:53
various
5:55
versions
5:56
of
5:56
universalism.
5:58
So
5:58
I
5:58
just
5:58
presented
5:58
a
5:59
paper
5:59
on
5:59
Tolkien
6:00
and
6:00
Christian
6:00
universalism.
6:01
So
6:01
that
6:01
has
6:01
been
6:02
something
6:02
I
6:02
have
6:02
been
6:02
doing
6:03
a
6:03
deep
6:03
dive
6:03
into.
6:05
And
6:05
I
6:05
am
6:06
hopefully
6:07
going
6:07
to
6:07
be
6:08
back
6:09
into
6:10
doing
6:10
some
6:10
more
6:11
pop
6:11
cultural
6:12
geeking
6:12
out.
6:13
Since
6:13
I'm
6:14
finished
6:14
with
6:14
that.
6:14
Where
6:15
can
6:15
I
6:15
get
6:15
a
6:15
hold
6:15
of
6:15
that
6:16
paper
6:16
if
6:16
I
6:16
wanted
6:16
to?
6:17
Do
6:17
I
6:17
have
6:17
to
6:17
just
6:17
like
6:17
email
6:18
you?
6:18
Yeah,
6:19
you
6:19
can
6:19
have
6:19
it.
6:19
And
6:20
I'll
6:21
probably
6:21
submit
6:22
it
6:22
to
6:22
the
6:22
Journal
6:22
of
6:22
Tolkien
6:23
Research,
6:23
which
6:24
is
6:24
a
6:24
open
6:25
source
6:26
journal
6:26
online.
6:27
So
6:27
that'll
6:27
probably
6:27
be
6:27
on
6:28
there
6:28
at
6:28
some
6:28
point.
6:29
I
6:30
like
6:30
a
6:30
piece
6:30
of
6:30
that
6:30
too.
6:30
I
6:30
like
6:31
a
6:31
piece
6:31
of
6:31
that
6:31
too.
6:31
Zap
6:31
it
6:32
my
6:32
way.
6:32
Oh,
6:32
I
6:32
got
6:33
you.
6:33
I
6:33
got
6:33
you.
6:34
Of
6:34
course,
6:34
I'm
6:34
also
6:35
geeking
6:36
out
6:36
on
6:36
Kingdom
6:36
Hearts.
6:37
Yeah,
6:37
always.
6:39
I
6:39
actually,
6:40
I'm
6:40
gonna
6:40
move
6:41
on
6:41
from
6:41
this,
6:41
but.
6:41
But
6:41
briefly,
6:42
because
6:42
this
6:42
is
6:42
funny.
6:44
I
6:44
actually
6:44
had
6:45
the
6:45
other
6:45
day
6:45
where
6:46
because
6:47
the
6:47
weird
6:47
world
6:47
that
6:47
I
6:47
live
6:48
in
6:48
now,
6:48
my
6:49
wife
6:49
was
6:50
like,
6:50
why
6:51
are
6:51
you're
6:51
in
6:51
bed
6:51
and
6:51
you're
6:52
still
6:52
playing
6:52
Kingdom
6:52
Hearts?
6:54
And
6:54
ironically
6:55
this
6:55
time
6:55
I
6:55
was
6:55
actually
6:56
doing
6:56
it
6:56
for
6:56
school
6:57
because
6:57
part
6:58
of
6:58
my
6:58
dissertation
6:58
is
6:59
gonna
7:00
specifically
7:00
have
7:00
to
7:00
do
7:01
with
7:01
Kingdom
7:01
Hearts
7:02
and
7:02
how
7:03
it
7:03
has
7:03
to
7:03
do
7:03
with
7:03
politic
7:04
philosophy.
7:05
So
7:05
ooh,
7:06
man,
7:06
that's
7:06
what
7:06
I'm
7:07
talking
7:07
about.
7:07
Well,
7:08
it's
7:08
funny
7:08
because
7:08
I
7:08
had
7:08
to
7:08
like,
7:09
I
7:09
had
7:09
to
7:09
submit
7:09
like
7:10
different
7:11
ones
7:11
for
7:11
them
7:11
to
7:11
choose
7:12
from
7:12
and
7:12
I
7:12
thought
7:12
of
7:12
two
7:13
really
7:13
like
7:13
solid
7:14
topics
7:14
and
7:14
I
7:14
couldn't
7:15
think
7:15
of
7:15
a
7:15
good
7:15
third
7:15
one.
7:15
So
7:16
I
7:16
was
7:16
like,
7:16
let
7:16
me
7:16
just
7:16
put
7:16
something
7:17
silly
7:17
out
7:17
there
7:17
that
7:17
I
7:17
know
7:17
they
7:18
won't
7:18
pick.
7:18
And
7:18
then
7:18
they
7:18
chose
7:18
that
7:19
and
7:19
I
7:19
was
7:19
like,
7:19
sick.
7:20
Keeping
7:21
them
7:21
Hearts
7:21
semester.
7:22
Here
7:22
we
7:22
go.
7:24
Anyway,
7:25
onto
7:25
the
7:25
actual
7:26
topic.
7:28
Today
7:28
we're
7:29
going
7:29
to
7:29
be
7:29
talking
7:29
about
7:30
Nick
7:30
Polk.
7:31
You
7:32
know,
7:32
Will
7:32
and
7:32
I,
7:32
sometime
7:33
we
7:33
just
7:33
get
7:33
together
7:33
and
7:33
we
7:34
geek
7:34
out
7:34
about
7:34
Nick's
7:35
beard,
7:36
Nick's
7:36
Tolkien
7:37
writings,
7:37
his
7:37
substack.
7:38
We
7:38
just
7:38
talk
7:39
about
7:39
Nick
7:39
a
7:39
lot.
7:40
And
7:40
that's
7:40
what
7:40
we're
7:41
here
7:41
to
7:41
talk
7:41
about.
7:42
It's
7:42
a
7:42
non
7:43
coercive
7:43
beard.
7:44
It's
7:44
a
7:44
non
7:44
coercive
7:44
beard.
7:45
Yeah,
7:45
a
7:45
non
7:45
coercive
7:46
loving
7:47
beard.
7:49
In
7:50
honesty
7:50
though,
7:50
this
7:50
episode
7:51
actually
7:51
was
7:52
inspired
7:53
by
7:54
a
7:54
series
7:54
of
7:55
books
7:55
that
7:55
Nick
7:56
was
7:56
a
7:56
part
7:56
of.
7:57
It
7:58
is
7:58
Omnipotence
8:00
sort
8:00
of
8:00
by
8:01
Thomas
8:01
J
8:01
Ord
8:02
about
8:02
Thomas
8:02
J.
8:03
Ord's
8:03
philosophy
8:04
of
8:04
omnipotence.
8:05
Nick,
8:06
help
8:06
me
8:06
out.
8:06
Could
8:06
you
8:06
unpack
8:07
what
8:07
these
8:07
books
8:07
are
8:08
and
8:08
just
8:09
tell
8:09
us
8:09
a
8:09
little
8:09
bit
8:09
about
8:09
how
8:10
you
8:10
contributed
8:10
to
8:10
this.
8:11
And
8:12
yeah,
8:12
for
8:12
those
8:12
wondering,
8:13
we
8:13
did
8:13
an
8:13
episode
8:13
on
8:13
Whole
8:14
Church
8:14
Together.
8:14
There
8:14
was
8:15
a
8:15
panel
8:15
with
8:15
us,
8:15
Thomas
8:16
J.
8:16
Ord,
8:17
Aaron
8:17
Simmons,
8:18
Josh
8:18
Patterson,
8:19
all
8:19
you
8:19
guys
8:20
who
8:20
aren't
8:20
me
8:20
contributed
8:21
to
8:21
this.
8:22
And
8:23
what
8:23
you
8:24
wrote
8:24
inspired
8:25
today's
8:25
episode.
8:26
And
8:26
then
8:26
later
8:26
on
8:26
whole
8:27
Church
8:27
podcast,
8:27
I'm
8:27
going
8:27
to
8:28
plug
8:28
my
8:28
other
8:28
show.
8:28
We
8:28
are
8:29
going
8:29
to.
8:29
Me,
8:30
Thomas
8:31
J.
8:31
Ord
8:31
and
8:31
Josh
8:31
Patterson
8:32
are
8:32
going
8:32
to
8:32
review
8:33
this
8:33
podcast
8:33
we're
8:33
recording
8:34
right
8:34
now.
8:35
So
8:35
we're
8:35
recording
8:36
for
8:36
an
8:36
episode
8:36
or
8:36
two,
8:37
perhaps
8:37
three.
8:38
Oh,
8:38
man.
8:38
They're
8:39
going
8:39
to
8:39
be
8:39
listening
8:39
to
8:39
this
8:40
and
8:40
then
8:40
responding
8:41
to
8:41
us.
8:41
Yeah,
8:41
we're
8:42
going
8:42
to,
8:42
we're
8:42
going
8:42
to
8:42
review
8:43
this.
8:43
I'm
8:43
reviewing
8:44
this.
8:45
What
8:45
you
8:45
guys
8:46
say?
8:46
Hey,
8:46
Tom,
8:47
for
8:47
review.
8:47
Hey,
8:48
Josh.
8:48
Great.
8:49
Love
8:49
you
8:50
guys.
8:51
Tell
8:51
us
8:51
about
8:51
this
8:52
future
8:52
Josh.
8:52
Hello,
8:54
future
8:55
wills.
8:56
Yeah,
8:56
future
8:56
Josh,
8:57
you're
8:57
looking
8:57
good.
8:57
But
8:58
better
8:58
than
8:58
me.
8:58
Better
8:59
than
8:59
me,
8:59
I'd
8:59
like
8:59
to
8:59
say.
9:02
So
9:02
for
9:02
those
9:03
who
9:03
don't
9:03
know,
9:03
omnipotence
9:04
is
9:04
this
9:04
concept
9:05
developed
9:05
by
9:06
Tom
9:06
Ward,
9:07
which
9:07
is
9:08
this
9:08
idea
9:08
that
9:08
God
9:09
power
9:10
is
9:10
not
9:10
primarily
9:11
controlling
9:12
or
9:12
coercive
9:13
or
9:14
just
9:14
all
9:14
encompassing,
9:16
but
9:16
it
9:16
is
9:16
informed
9:17
by
9:17
a
9:17
non
9:18
coercive
9:19
love.
9:20
And
9:21
so
9:21
it's
9:22
love
9:22
power
9:22
essentially
9:23
is
9:23
what
9:23
the
9:23
word
9:24
means.
9:24
And
9:24
so
9:25
these
9:25
two
9:25
volumes,
9:26
because
9:26
Tom
9:27
is
9:28
a
9:29
man
9:29
of
9:29
integrity,
9:30
he
9:31
wanted
9:31
to
9:32
collect
9:32
a
9:33
bunch
9:33
of
9:33
essays
9:33
that
9:34
responded
9:35
to
9:35
his
9:36
concept,
9:36
both
9:37
support
9:37
as
9:38
well
9:38
as
9:38
criticism.
9:40
And
9:40
so
9:41
the
9:41
first.
9:41
So
9:42
the
9:42
first
9:42
volume
9:43
is
9:43
where
9:43
I'm
9:44
in,
9:44
because
9:44
I
9:44
support
9:45
Tom's
9:46
concept
9:47
of
9:47
omnipotence.
9:48
I
9:48
am
9:50
fond
9:50
of
9:50
that
9:50
idea
9:51
and
9:51
tend
9:51
to
9:52
lean
9:53
that
9:53
direction.
9:54
And
9:54
so
9:54
I'm
9:55
in
9:55
the
9:55
support
9:55
and
9:55
criticism
9:56
under
9:56
the
9:56
support
9:57
section
9:57
of
9:58
that
9:58
book.
9:59
And
9:59
mine
10:00
is
10:00
the
10:00
Decline.
10:01
My,
10:01
my
10:01
essay
10:01
is
10:02
called
10:02
the
10:02
Decline
10:02
of
10:02
Pop
10:03
Culture
10:03
or
10:03
Omnipotence.
10:05
Sorry,
10:05
the
10:05
Decline
10:06
of
10:06
Omnipotence
10:06
in
10:07
Pop
10:07
Culture,
10:09
which
10:10
I
10:10
think
10:10
will
10:10
be
10:10
really
10:10
exciting
10:11
talking
10:12
about
10:12
with
10:12
Jessica
10:13
Jones.
10:13
And
10:14
then
10:14
the
10:14
second
10:14
volume
10:15
is
10:15
just
10:16
taking.
10:17
There's
10:17
people
10:17
who
10:17
respond
10:18
where
10:18
they
10:18
expand
10:19
on
10:19
Tom's
10:19
idea,
10:20
where
10:20
they're
10:20
like,
10:20
hey,
10:21
this
10:21
is
10:21
cool,
10:21
but
10:21
here's
10:22
where
10:22
it
10:22
could
10:22
be
10:23
taken.
10:23
And
10:24
then
10:24
other
10:24
people
10:24
actually
10:24
apply
10:25
it,
10:25
where
10:25
they're
10:26
like,
10:26
hey,
10:26
let's
10:26
take
10:27
a
10:27
theological
10:27
omnipotence
10:28
and
10:29
see
10:29
what
10:29
it
10:29
looks
10:29
like
10:29
as
10:30
a
10:30
pastor
10:30
or
10:31
a
10:31
therapist,
10:32
et
10:32
cetera.
10:32
Yeah,
10:33
yeah.
10:33
So
10:33
basically,
10:34
Tom
10:34
writes
10:35
a
10:35
book,
10:35
the
10:35
Death
10:35
of
10:35
Omnipotence,
10:36
the
10:36
Birth
10:36
of
10:36
Omnipotence.
10:38
And
10:38
then
10:38
he
10:38
gets
10:38
these
10:39
two
10:39
books
10:39
to
10:39
respond
10:40
to
10:40
that
10:40
book.
10:40
And
10:41
then
10:41
we
10:41
did
10:41
an
10:41
episode
10:42
responding
10:42
to
10:42
that,
10:43
and
10:43
now
10:43
we're
10:43
doing
10:43
an
10:44
episode
10:44
responding
10:44
to
10:45
that
10:45
episode,
10:45
responding
10:45
to
10:46
this,
10:46
responding
10:46
to
10:46
the
10:46
original
10:47
book.
10:47
And
10:47
I'm
10:47
going
10:48
to
10:48
do
10:48
an
10:48
episode
10:48
responding
10:49
to
10:49
this.
10:49
So
10:50
it's
10:50
like
10:50
a
10:50
Groundhog
10:51
Day
10:51
time
10:51
loop.
10:52
Is
10:52
that
10:52
what
10:52
we're
10:52
doing?
10:53
I
10:53
feel
10:53
like
10:54
it's
10:54
like
10:54
early,
10:54
early
10:54
church
10:55
Council
10:55
almost,
10:55
except
10:56
for,
10:56
like,
10:56
we
10:56
don't
10:56
have
10:56
to
10:57
meet
10:57
in
10:57
person
10:57
these
10:57
days.
10:58
We're
10:58
all
10:58
just,
10:58
like,
10:58
bouncing
10:59
these
10:59
ideas
10:59
around
10:59
and,
10:59
like,
10:59
workshopping.
11:00
It's
11:00
like,
11:00
hey,
11:00
do
11:00
we.
11:01
Is
11:01
this
11:01
a
11:01
little
11:02
bad?
11:02
How
11:02
can
11:02
we
11:03
make
11:03
it
11:03
work?
11:03
Yeah,
11:03
we
11:04
have
11:04
the
11:04
dec,
11:04
definitely,
11:05
Quickly.
11:06
So,
11:06
Nick,
11:06
you
11:07
mentioned
11:07
you
11:08
wrote
11:08
in
11:08
the
11:08
support
11:08
section.
11:09
What
11:10
you
11:10
wrote
11:10
inspired
11:11
some
11:11
of
11:11
this.
11:12
Could
11:12
you
11:12
kind
11:12
of
11:12
explain
11:13
what
11:13
you
11:13
wrote
11:13
in
11:14
there?
11:14
Just
11:14
a
11:15
little
11:15
bit
11:15
of,
11:15
like,
11:15
what
11:15
your
11:16
take
11:16
was,
11:16
other
11:16
than
11:17
just,
11:17
yay,
11:17
good.
11:19
Yeah,
11:19
I
11:20
like
11:20
that.
11:20
But
11:21
I
11:21
kind
11:22
of
11:22
try
11:22
to
11:22
analyze
11:23
specifically
11:23
superhero
11:24
IP
11:24
is
11:26
through.
11:27
So
11:27
my
11:27
Hero,
11:28
Academia,
11:30
the
11:30
Boys,
11:31
Invincible,
11:32
those
11:32
type
11:33
of
11:33
kind
11:33
of
11:33
recent
11:34
popular
11:35
shows.
11:36
And
11:37
I
11:37
talk
11:37
about
11:37
how
11:39
through
11:39
those
11:40
things,
11:41
through
11:41
those
11:41
IPs,
11:42
pop
11:43
culture
11:43
is
11:43
kind
11:44
of
11:44
skeptical
11:45
of
11:45
all
11:45
controlling
11:46
power.
11:47
And
11:47
I
11:47
think
11:47
that
11:47
there's
11:48
a
11:48
sort
11:48
of
11:48
implication
11:49
there
11:50
where
11:50
people
11:51
generally
11:51
are
11:52
not
11:52
fond
11:52
of
11:52
omnipotence
11:54
and
11:54
also
11:55
think
11:55
that
11:55
omnipotence
11:56
is
11:56
a
11:56
farce,
11:57
or
11:57
if
11:57
it
11:57
exists,
11:58
it
11:58
is
11:59
corrupting.
12:01
And
12:01
so
12:02
I
12:02
basically
12:02
just
12:03
wrote
12:03
about
12:03
how
12:04
we
12:04
can
12:05
trace
12:05
this
12:07
dissatisfaction
12:10
with
12:10
omnipotence
12:12
in
12:13
our
12:14
pop
12:14
culture.
12:15
All
12:16
IPs
12:17
that
12:17
deal
12:17
specifically
12:18
with
12:18
powerful
12:19
characters.
12:20
Yeah,
12:21
yeah,
12:21
yeah,
12:21
yeah.
12:22
So
12:23
with
12:23
that,
12:23
you
12:23
know,
12:24
you
12:24
kind
12:24
of
12:24
wrote
12:24
about
12:24
some
12:25
of
12:25
these
12:25
heroes,
12:26
air
12:26
quotes
12:27
who
12:27
have
12:27
all
12:27
power
12:28
and
12:28
how
12:28
they're
12:29
actually
12:29
not
12:29
necessarily
12:30
the
12:30
best
12:30
for
12:30
society
12:31
or
12:31
culture.
12:32
And
12:32
then
12:33
we
12:33
were
12:33
talking.
12:33
I
12:34
was
12:34
trying
12:34
to.
12:35
In
12:35
the
12:35
other
12:35
episode
12:35
on
12:35
the
12:35
whole
12:36
church,
12:36
I
12:36
was
12:36
trying
12:36
to
12:36
respond
12:37
to
12:37
all
12:37
of
12:37
you
12:37
guys
12:37
what
12:37
I
12:38
agreed
12:38
with,
12:38
what
12:38
I
12:38
thought
12:38
was
12:39
trying
12:39
to
12:39
push
12:39
back
12:39
a
12:39
little
12:40
bit
12:40
and
12:41
trying
12:41
to
12:41
shoehorn
12:42
myself
12:42
into
12:42
the
12:42
conversation.
12:43
And
12:44
I
12:44
was
12:44
like,
12:44
you
12:45
know,
12:45
Nick,
12:45
what's
12:46
funny
12:46
is
12:46
I
12:46
couldn't
12:46
think
12:46
of
12:46
anything
12:47
to
12:47
criticize
12:47
with
12:47
Nick
12:48
because
12:48
Nick's
12:48
always
12:48
right.
12:49
We
12:50
have
12:50
a
12:50
Nick
12:50
Polk
12:51
Colt
12:52
on
12:52
the
12:52
show
12:52
for
12:53
those
12:53
who've
12:53
listened
12:53
to
12:53
our
12:54
Dead
12:54
Space
12:54
episodes.
12:56
But
12:58
I
12:58
remember
12:59
thinking,
12:59
I
12:59
was
12:59
just
12:59
like,
13:00
why
13:00
didn't
13:00
you
13:00
talk
13:00
about
13:00
Mr.
13:01
Purple?
13:02
And
13:02
then
13:02
I
13:02
was
13:02
like,
13:03
wait
13:03
a
13:03
minute,
13:03
we
13:04
could
13:04
still
13:04
do
13:04
that.
13:05
So
13:05
we're
13:05
here.
13:05
We're
13:05
here
13:06
to
13:06
talk
13:06
about
13:07
Kilgrave,
13:07
Mr.
13:07
Purple.
13:08
And
13:09
specifically,
13:09
we're
13:09
gonna
13:09
be
13:09
looking
13:09
at
13:09
the
13:10
Alias
13:10
comics
13:10
as
13:11
well
13:11
as
13:11
the
13:11
Jessica
13:11
Jones
13:12
TV
13:12
series.
13:12
So
13:13
he,
13:13
for
13:13
those
13:14
who
13:14
don't
13:14
know,
13:14
not
13:15
a
13:15
hero,
13:15
not
13:15
an
13:16
all
13:16
powerful
13:16
hero,
13:17
but
13:17
he's
13:18
pretty
13:18
darn
13:19
close
13:19
to
13:19
an
13:19
all
13:19
powerful
13:20
villain.
13:21
And
13:21
we're
13:22
looking
13:22
at
13:22
some
13:22
of
13:22
that.
13:23
And
13:23
of
13:23
course,
13:24
if
13:24
we're
13:24
gonna
13:24
have
13:24
that
13:25
conversation,
13:25
we're
13:25
talking
13:25
about
13:25
comic
13:26
books.
13:27
We
13:27
have
13:27
to
13:27
have
13:28
the
13:28
ultimate
13:28
comic
13:29
book.
13:29
Pastor
13:30
Will
13:31
Rose,
13:31
join
13:31
us.
13:32
Oh,
13:32
master.
13:32
Yeah,
13:33
ultimate
13:34
will.
13:34
Ultimate
13:34
Will.
13:35
So
13:35
will
13:36
I
13:36
need
13:36
your
13:36
help?
13:38
The
13:38
sacred
13:39
timeline
13:39
will
13:40
help
13:41
us
13:41
understand
13:42
a
13:42
little
13:42
bit
13:42
going
13:43
into
13:43
this.
13:43
For
13:44
those
13:44
who
13:44
don't
13:44
know,
13:45
this
13:46
is
13:46
like
13:46
R
13:46
rated
13:47
comics,
13:47
right?
13:48
We're
13:49
going
13:49
back
13:49
a
13:49
little
13:49
bit
13:50
like,
13:51
because
13:51
to
13:51
understand
13:52
Alias,
13:53
the
13:53
graphic
13:53
novel,
13:54
the
13:54
omnibus
13:54
comics,
13:55
whatever,
13:55
you
13:56
kind
13:56
of
13:56
have
13:56
to
13:56
know
13:57
like
13:57
what
13:57
happened
13:57
with
13:57
Marvel
13:58
Comics
13:59
Code
13:59
Authority
13:59
and
13:59
then
14:00
what
14:00
the
14:00
Max
14:00
comics
14:01
line
14:01
were.
14:01
So
14:02
could
14:02
you
14:02
kind
14:02
of
14:02
just
14:02
break
14:03
down
14:03
some
14:03
of
14:03
that
14:03
as
14:03
far
14:03
as
14:04
like
14:04
the
14:05
history
14:05
of
14:05
comics
14:06
where
14:06
this
14:06
falls?
14:07
Kind
14:07
of
14:07
going
14:07
back
14:07
to
14:07
Nick
14:07
a
14:08
little
14:08
bit
14:08
to,
14:08
just
14:08
to
14:08
chime
14:08
in
14:08
a
14:09
little
14:09
bit
14:09
about
14:09
kind
14:09
of
14:09
like,
14:10
you
14:10
know,
14:10
as
14:10
a
14:11
pastor,
14:11
when
14:11
people
14:12
say,
14:12
like,
14:12
oh,
14:13
do
14:13
you
14:13
believe
14:13
in
14:13
God?
14:14
Or
14:14
you
14:14
know,
14:14
before
14:15
they
14:15
find
14:15
I'm
14:15
a
14:15
pastor,
14:15
you
14:16
say,
14:16
well,
14:16
what,
14:16
what,
14:17
what
14:17
do
14:17
you
14:17
mean
14:17
by
14:17
God?
14:18
You
14:18
know,
14:18
and
14:18
let's,
14:19
let's,
14:19
let's
14:19
parse
14:19
that
14:19
a
14:20
little
14:20
bit,
14:20
define
14:20
the
14:20
terms.
14:20
And
14:21
then
14:21
I
14:21
think
14:21
same
14:21
way
14:22
with
14:22
love.
14:22
It's
14:22
like
14:22
I
14:22
believe
14:23
in
14:23
love.
14:23
What
14:23
kind
14:23
of
14:23
love
14:24
do
14:24
you
14:24
believe
14:24
in?
14:25
Right.
14:25
You
14:25
know,
14:25
and
14:26
so
14:26
even
14:26
though
14:27
scripture
14:28
describes
14:28
God
14:29
is
14:29
love
14:30
in
14:30
a
14:30
pretty
14:30
clear
14:31
sentence
14:31
there
14:32
in
14:32
scripture,
14:33
what
14:34
is
14:34
God?
14:34
Who
14:34
is
14:35
God?
14:35
What's
14:35
God's
14:35
character?
14:36
What
14:36
is
14:36
love?
14:36
What
14:36
kind
14:36
of
14:37
love
14:37
are
14:37
we
14:37
talking
14:37
about?
14:37
There's
14:38
all
14:38
kinds
14:38
of
14:38
Greek
14:38
and
14:38
Hebrew
14:39
words
14:39
for
14:39
different
14:39
types
14:40
of
14:40
love.
14:40
And
14:40
I
14:40
think
14:41
describing
14:42
God's
14:42
power,
14:43
sovereignty,
14:43
I
14:43
think
14:44
there's
14:44
room
14:44
to
14:44
talk
14:44
about
14:45
the
14:45
kind
14:45
of
14:45
love
14:46
that
14:46
we
14:46
mean
14:46
when
14:47
we
14:47
talk
14:47
about
14:47
love.
14:48
And
14:48
there's
14:48
room
14:48
for
14:49
that
14:49
discussion.
14:49
And
14:50
so
14:50
I'm
14:50
glad
14:50
that
14:51
Tom
14:51
and
14:51
our
14:51
process
14:52
friends
14:52
are
14:53
thinking
14:53
through
14:53
that
14:53
when
14:53
it
14:54
comes
14:54
to,
14:54
you
14:55
know,
14:55
stereotypes
14:55
of
14:56
God
14:56
or
14:56
pop
14:56
culture
14:56
understanding
14:57
of
14:57
God
14:57
and
14:57
power
14:57
and
14:58
love
14:58
and
14:58
those
14:58
things.
14:58
So.
14:59
And
14:59
I
14:59
think
14:59
in
14:59
our
14:59
pop
15:00
culture
15:00
that
15:01
it
15:01
helps
15:01
us
15:02
process
15:02
those
15:02
things
15:03
because
15:04
we're
15:04
creating
15:04
stories
15:05
with
15:05
heroes
15:06
and
15:06
villains
15:07
and
15:08
plots
15:09
and
15:09
conflict
15:10
and
15:12
whether
15:12
the
15:14
story
15:14
ends
15:14
with
15:15
happily
15:15
ever
15:16
after
15:16
or
15:16
whether
15:16
it's
15:17
going
15:17
to
15:17
continue
15:17
to
15:17
go
15:18
on
15:18
because
15:18
there's
15:18
trauma
15:19
involved
15:19
in
15:20
iron.
15:20
There's.
15:21
We
15:21
as
15:21
humans
15:22
use
15:22
story
15:23
as
15:23
a
15:23
means,
15:24
as
15:24
a
15:24
theopoetic
15:25
way
15:25
to
15:26
iron
15:26
these
15:26
things
15:26
out.
15:27
So
15:27
why
15:27
not
15:28
in
15:28
superhero
15:29
comics
15:30
and
15:31
sci
15:31
fi
15:32
fantasy,
15:33
those
15:33
kinds
15:33
of
15:34
things.
15:34
So
15:34
it
15:34
makes
15:34
sense
15:34
that
15:34
we're
15:35
working
15:35
the
15:36
character
15:36
of
15:36
love,
15:37
the
15:37
character
15:38
of
15:38
sovereignty
15:38
of
15:38
power
15:39
and
15:39
what
15:39
we
15:39
do
15:39
with
15:39
those
15:40
gifts
15:40
or
15:41
tools
15:42
through
15:42
the
15:43
stories
15:43
we
15:43
tell.
15:44
Yeah.
15:45
Since
15:45
we're
15:46
responding
15:46
to
15:46
it
15:46
and
15:46
adding,
15:47
I
15:47
will
15:47
let
15:48
our
15:48
listeners
15:48
know
15:48
since
15:49
maybe
15:49
not
15:49
all
15:49
of
15:49
them
15:49
are
15:49
going
15:50
to
15:50
go
15:50
listen
15:50
to
15:50
whole
15:50
church.
15:51
I
15:51
don't
15:51
fully
15:52
get
15:52
on
15:52
board
15:52
with
15:52
Tom.
15:53
I
15:54
like
15:54
it.
15:55
I
15:55
think
15:56
my
15:56
biggest
15:56
pushback
15:56
was
15:57
his
15:57
thing
15:58
against
15:58
omnipotence
15:59
with
16:00
all
16:00
power.
16:01
And
16:02
my
16:02
thing
16:02
was
16:02
more
16:02
a
16:02
lot
16:03
of
16:03
his
16:03
arguments,
16:03
from
16:04
what
16:04
I
16:04
can
16:04
tell,
16:04
seems
16:04
like
16:05
he's
16:06
trying
16:06
to
16:06
argue
16:07
against
16:07
how
16:07
much
16:08
power
16:08
God
16:08
has
16:09
by
16:09
explaining
16:10
what
16:10
type
16:11
of
16:11
power
16:11
God
16:11
has.
16:11
And
16:12
I
16:12
think
16:12
it's
16:12
just
16:12
two
16:12
separate
16:13
arguments.
16:14
You
16:14
can
16:14
have
16:15
all
16:15
power
16:15
or
16:15
no
16:16
power,
16:16
and
16:16
that
16:17
doesn't
16:17
necessarily
16:17
mean
16:17
anything
16:18
about
16:18
what
16:18
kind
16:18
of
16:18
power
16:19
you
16:19
have.
16:20
So
16:21
that's
16:21
where
16:21
I
16:22
fall
16:22
on
16:22
that.
16:22
If
16:23
you
16:23
want
16:23
a
16:23
little
16:23
bit
16:24
more
16:24
on
16:24
that
16:24
take,
16:24
you
16:24
can
16:25
go
16:25
listen
16:25
to
16:25
that
16:25
episode
16:25
on
16:25
Whole
16:26
Church.
16:26
It
16:26
was
16:26
a
16:26
lot
16:26
of
16:26
fun.
16:27
And
16:27
I'm
16:27
sure
16:27
we'll
16:27
talk
16:27
about
16:28
it
16:28
more
16:28
in
16:29
the
16:29
next
16:29
episode.
16:29
In
16:29
Whole
16:30
Church
16:30
reviewing
16:30
this
16:30
episode.
16:31
And
16:31
Tom
16:32
does
16:32
say
16:32
that
16:32
Josh's
16:33
critique
16:34
is
16:34
a
16:34
valid.
16:36
I
16:37
was
16:37
validated.
16:38
What?
16:38
Come
16:39
on.
16:39
And
16:39
Tom
16:41
to
16:42
Ortcon
16:42
this
16:43
summer.
16:43
And
16:44
I
16:44
think
16:44
I
16:44
might
16:44
actually
16:45
go.
16:45
I
16:45
might
16:45
go
16:45
to
16:45
Ortcon
16:46
this
16:46
year.
16:46
Hey,
16:47
that's
16:47
cool.
16:47
Yeah,
16:48
I
16:48
might
16:48
be
16:49
like
16:49
a
16:49
fish
16:49
out
16:49
of
16:49
water,
16:49
but
16:50
that's
16:50
how
16:50
I
16:50
was
16:50
with
16:50
the
16:50
first
16:50
theology
16:51
beer
16:51
camp.
16:51
I've
16:52
come
16:52
a
16:52
long
16:52
way,
16:52
so
16:53
maybe
16:53
I'll
16:53
have
16:53
more
16:54
further
16:54
to
16:54
go.
16:55
You
16:55
know,
16:55
we'll
16:55
see.
16:55
You
16:55
can
16:56
learn
16:56
to
16:56
swim.
16:56
You
16:57
can
16:57
learn
16:57
to
16:57
swim,
16:58
Joshua.
17:45
Figure
17:45
it
16:58
out.
17:46
I
17:46
believe
17:46
in
17:46
you.
17:47
Okay,
17:47
so
17:47
comics.
17:48
Yeah.
17:48
So,
17:49
you
17:50
know,
17:50
whether
17:51
I'm
17:51
trying
17:51
not
17:51
to
17:51
go
17:52
all
17:52
the
17:52
way
17:52
back
17:53
to
17:55
early
17:56
humans
17:56
who
17:56
are
17:57
doing
17:57
cave
17:58
painting
17:59
drawings
17:59
to
17:59
articulate
18:00
a
18:00
story
18:00
or
18:01
a
18:01
narrative
18:01
or
18:01
meaning
18:02
to
18:02
their
18:02
lives,
18:02
you
18:03
know,
18:03
we've
18:03
been
18:03
doing
18:03
comics
18:04
since
18:04
we
18:04
could,
18:04
like,
18:05
utter
18:05
a
18:06
first
18:06
grunt
18:07
to
18:07
communicate
18:08
how
18:08
we're
18:08
feeling
18:08
about
18:09
something.
18:09
And
18:10
so
18:10
we've
18:10
been
18:10
painting
18:11
on
18:11
cave
18:11
walls
18:13
and
18:13
drawing
18:14
and
18:14
art
18:14
and
18:15
poetry
18:15
and
18:15
songs
18:16
around
18:16
campfires
18:16
eventually
18:17
get,
18:17
you
18:17
know,
18:18
there's
18:18
a
18:18
long
18:18
time
18:18
in
18:18
between
18:19
there,
18:19
but,
18:19
you
18:19
know,
18:19
eventually
18:20
get
18:20
to
18:20
iconography
18:21
and
18:21
stained
18:21
glass
18:22
and,
18:22
you
18:22
know,
18:22
literacy
18:23
and
18:23
books
18:23
and
18:24
all
18:24
those
18:24
things.
18:24
So
18:24
if
18:24
you
18:25
look
18:25
at
18:25
stained
18:25
glass
18:25
in
18:26
your
18:26
church
18:26
windows
18:27
or
18:27
go
18:27
back
18:28
to
18:28
Greek
18:29
Orthodoxy
18:29
with
18:30
iconography,
18:30
they're
18:30
just
18:30
telling
18:31
a
18:31
story
18:31
through
18:31
graphic
18:32
means.
18:32
Graphic
18:33
novels
18:33
on
18:33
the
18:33
walls
18:34
to
18:34
tell
18:34
the
18:34
hero
18:35
stories
18:35
of
18:35
the
18:35
saints
18:36
of
18:36
the
18:36
day,
18:37
villains
18:37
of
18:37
the
18:37
day,
18:37
and
18:38
virtue
18:38
will
18:39
triumph.
18:39
So
18:40
here
18:40
we
18:40
go.
18:40
Comics
18:41
going
18:41
back
18:41
to
18:42
the
18:42
early
18:42
1900s,
18:43
and
18:45
whether
18:45
it's
18:45
Superman,
18:46
Batman,
18:47
DC,
18:48
Captain
18:49
America
18:50
will
18:50
eventually
18:50
get
18:51
to,
18:51
like,
18:51
the
18:51
1940s,
18:52
and
18:54
the
18:54
comics
18:55
Code
18:55
authority
18:56
makes
18:57
its
18:57
debut
18:57
because
18:58
they're
18:58
worried
18:59
about
18:59
juvenile
19:00
delinquency
19:01
and
19:01
what's
19:01
contributing
19:02
to
19:02
juvenile
19:02
delinquency.
19:03
You
19:03
know,
19:03
what's
19:03
doing
19:03
it.
19:04
These
19:04
crazy
19:04
comics,
19:05
they're
19:05
kind
19:05
of
19:05
horror
19:06
and
19:07
graphic
19:07
images
19:08
and
19:08
sex,
19:08
drugs
19:08
and
19:09
Rock
19:09
and
19:09
roll,
19:09
man.
19:09
We
19:09
can't
19:10
do
19:10
that.
19:10
So
19:11
let's
19:11
put
19:12
a,
19:12
let's
19:12
put
19:12
a
19:12
code
19:12
on
19:13
it,
19:13
a
19:13
rating
19:13
system
19:14
so
19:14
we
19:14
don't.
19:14
So
19:15
parents
19:15
can
19:15
be
19:15
warned
19:16
or
19:17
they
19:17
can
19:17
see
19:18
whatever
19:18
their
19:19
child
19:19
is
19:19
reading
19:19
is
19:20
approved
19:21
by
19:21
the
19:21
Comic
19:22
Code's
19:22
authority.
19:23
And
19:23
fair
19:23
to
19:24
the
19:24
idea.
19:25
I
19:25
would
19:25
be
19:25
very
19:25
upset
19:26
to
19:26
see
19:26
a
19:26
child
19:26
reading
19:27
Ice
19:27
Cream
19:27
Man.
19:27
And
19:28
it
19:28
does
19:28
sound
19:28
like,
19:28
if
19:29
you
19:29
hear
19:29
Ice
19:29
Cream
19:29
man,
19:29
like
19:30
it
19:30
sounds
19:30
kid
19:30
friendly.
19:31
So
19:31
like.
19:32
Right,
19:32
yeah,
19:32
right.
19:33
And
19:33
I'm
19:33
not.
19:34
Yeah.
19:34
Sometimes
19:34
the
19:35
Comics
19:35
Code
19:35
Authority
19:36
gets
19:36
shit
19:36
on
19:36
a
19:36
lot.
19:37
And
19:38
yeah,
19:38
it's
19:38
kind
19:38
of
19:38
this
19:39
authoritative
19:40
means
19:41
by
19:41
which
19:41
to
19:41
kind
19:42
of,
19:42
you
19:42
know,
19:42
regulate
19:44
what
19:44
kids
19:44
are
19:44
seeing
19:45
and
19:45
doing.
19:45
But
19:46
sure,
19:46
yeah,
19:46
there's
19:46
a
19:47
reason,
19:47
like
19:47
you
19:47
put
19:48
explicit
19:48
lyrics
19:49
on
19:49
some
19:49
hip
19:49
hop
19:50
albums
19:50
or
19:50
you
19:50
have
19:51
a
19:51
rating
19:51
system
19:51
for
19:51
movies.
19:52
You
19:52
just
19:52
walk
19:52
in,
19:53
you
19:53
know,
19:53
you
19:53
don't
19:53
want
19:54
your
19:54
5
19:54
year
19:54
old
19:55
going
19:55
to
19:55
see
19:55
a
19:55
Saw
19:56
movie.
19:56
I
19:57
fully
19:57
understand
19:57
that.
19:59
So
19:59
eventually
20:00
you
20:00
get
20:00
to
20:03
the
20:03
way
20:03
Marvel
20:04
and
20:04
DC
20:05
kind
20:05
of
20:05
got
20:05
around.
20:05
The
20:07
Comics
20:08
Code
20:08
Authority
20:08
is
20:09
to
20:09
do
20:09
their
20:09
own
20:09
imprints.
20:10
And
20:10
so
20:11
eventually
20:11
Marvel
20:12
in
20:12
2001
20:13
said,
20:13
you
20:13
know
20:13
what,
20:13
we're
20:13
going
20:13
to
20:14
do
20:14
our
20:14
own
20:14
thing.
20:14
We're
20:14
going
20:14
to
20:14
do
20:14
an
20:15
imprint
20:15
called
20:16
Marvel
20:16
Max
20:17
Comics.
20:18
So
20:18
it's
20:18
rated
20:18
R
20:19
comics,
20:19
a
20:19
little
20:19
bit
20:19
more
20:19
explicit,
20:20
a
20:20
little
20:20
bit
20:20
more
20:20
violent.
20:21
You
20:21
don't
20:21
care
20:21
about
20:22
cuss
20:22
words,
20:22
you
20:22
don't
20:22
have
20:23
to
20:23
bleep
20:24
out
20:24
things
20:24
or
20:25
that
20:25
kind
20:25
of
20:25
stuff.
20:26
So
20:26
they
20:26
do
20:26
their
20:26
own
20:26
kind
20:26
of
20:27
like
20:29
more
20:29
mature
20:30
comics
20:30
for
20:30
a
20:31
more
20:31
mature
20:32
audience.
20:32
And
20:33
D.C.
20:34
was
20:34
already
20:35
kind
20:35
of
20:35
doing
20:36
that
20:36
with
20:36
their
20:36
Vertigo
20:36
line
20:37
when
20:37
it
20:37
comes
20:38
to
20:38
Swamp
20:39
Thing
20:40
and
20:40
Sandman
20:41
and
20:41
Doom
20:41
Patrol,
20:42
that
20:42
kind
20:42
of
20:42
stuff.
20:43
And
20:43
here
20:44
Marvel
20:44
did
20:45
this.
20:45
And
20:45
with
20:46
the
20:46
debut
20:46
of
20:47
Marvel
20:48
Max
20:48
Comics
20:49
in
20:49
2001,
20:51
you
20:52
have
20:52
Brian
20:52
Michael
20:53
Bendis,
20:54
who
20:54
was
20:54
kind
20:55
of
20:55
their
20:55
premier
20:56
creator
20:57
at
20:58
the
20:58
time,
20:58
created
20:59
Alias
21:00
Jessica
21:01
Jones
21:02
to
21:02
kind
21:02
of
21:02
launch,
21:03
really
21:04
launch
21:04
and
21:04
kick
21:04
off
21:05
this
21:05
Marvel
21:05
Max
21:06
imprint.
21:07
And
21:08
you
21:08
know,
21:08
the
21:09
late
21:09
90s,
21:10
early
21:10
2000s
21:11
comics
21:12
hit
21:13
a
21:13
ceiling.
21:14
They
21:14
went
21:14
bankrupt.
21:15
The
21:15
comics
21:16
craze
21:16
of
21:16
the
21:16
90s
21:17
just
21:17
really
21:17
ran
21:18
out
21:18
of
21:18
steam.
21:19
And
21:19
there's
21:19
a
21:19
lot
21:19
that
21:19
goes
21:20
into
21:20
that
21:20
history.
21:20
But
21:21
Marvel
21:22
almost
21:22
declared
21:23
bankruptcy
21:24
and
21:24
almost
21:24
shut
21:24
their
21:24
doors
21:25
until
21:26
they
21:26
just
21:26
kind
21:26
of
21:26
put
21:26
it
21:27
back
21:27
in
21:27
the
21:27
creator's
21:28
hands
21:29
and
21:29
say,
21:29
what
21:30
kind
21:30
of
21:30
comics
21:30
do
21:30
you
21:30
want
21:30
to
21:30
tell?
21:31
And
21:31
some
21:31
of
21:31
this
21:32
alias,
21:32
Marvel,
21:33
Max
21:33
Punisher,
21:34
more
21:34
gritty
21:35
hardcore
21:36
comics
21:37
came
21:38
to
21:38
the
21:38
forefront.
21:38
And
21:39
it
21:39
was
21:39
a
21:39
big
21:39
hit.
21:40
People
21:40
were
21:40
like,
21:40
yep,
21:41
the
21:42
kids
21:42
that
21:42
grew
21:42
up
21:43
on
21:43
comics
21:43
in
21:43
the
21:43
80s
21:43
and
21:44
90s
21:44
were
21:44
ready
21:44
in
21:45
their
21:45
20s
21:45
and
21:45
30s
21:46
and
21:46
early
21:47
40s
21:47
to
21:47
jump
21:47
into
21:48
rated
21:49
R
21:49
comics.
21:50
Yeah,
21:51
yeah,
21:51
yeah,
21:51
yeah.
21:52
Well,
21:52
I
21:52
want
21:52
to
21:52
break
21:53
down
21:53
a
21:53
little
21:53
bit,
21:54
since
21:55
you
21:55
already
21:55
mentioned
21:55
Jessica
21:56
Jones,
21:56
Alias.
21:57
This
21:57
was
21:57
one
21:57
of
21:57
the.
21:58
It
21:58
was
21:58
just
21:58
Alias
21:59
originally.
21:59
Now
21:59
it's
22:00
Jessica
22:00
Jones
22:00
Alias.
22:01
Anyway,
22:02
one
22:02
of
22:02
the
22:02
original
22:03
Max
22:03
comics
22:04
talk
22:05
a
22:05
little
22:05
bit.
22:05
Some
22:06
of,
22:06
like,
22:06
the
22:06
backdrop
22:08
of
22:08
all
22:08
this,
22:08
like,
22:08
with
22:09
her.
22:09
Because
22:10
you
22:10
mentioned
22:10
Bendis.
22:11
One
22:11
of
22:11
the
22:11
fun
22:11
things
22:11
is
22:12
originally
22:13
Alias
22:14
was
22:14
going
22:14
to
22:14
be
22:14
Jessica
22:14
Drew
22:15
because
22:15
she,
22:16
in
22:16
this
22:16
time
22:16
of
22:16
comic
22:16
book
22:17
history,
22:17
lost
22:17
all
22:17
of
22:17
her
22:17
superpowers,
22:18
and,
22:18
like,
22:18
this
22:18
is
22:18
a
22:19
perfect
22:19
opportunity.
22:19
She
22:19
used
22:19
to
22:19
be
22:19
a
22:20
detective.
22:20
And
22:20
then
22:20
as
22:21
they
22:21
were
22:21
telling
22:21
the
22:21
story,
22:21
they
22:21
realized,
22:22
like,
22:23
no,
22:23
this.
22:23
If
22:24
we
22:24
want
22:24
this
22:24
to
22:24
be.
22:24
Because
22:24
they
22:25
wanted
22:25
it
22:25
to
22:25
be
22:25
part
22:25
of
22:25
Earth616,
22:26
the
22:27
regular
22:27
Marvel
22:28
storyline,
22:30
and
22:30
a
22:30
lot
22:30
of
22:30
the
22:30
other
22:31
Max
22:31
ones
22:31
weren't.
22:32
So
22:32
to
22:33
make
22:33
this
22:33
work,
22:33
if
22:34
they
22:34
wanted
22:34
to
22:34
keep
22:34
it
22:34
in
22:34
universe,
22:35
they
22:35
had
22:35
to
22:35
create
22:35
a
22:35
new
22:35
character,
22:36
because
22:36
what
22:37
happens
22:37
to
22:37
this
22:37
character
22:38
if
22:38
it
22:38
happened
22:38
to
22:38
Jessica
22:38
Drew,
22:39
it
22:39
couldn't
22:40
be
22:40
the
22:40
same
22:40
Jessica
22:41
Drew.
22:41
There
22:41
was
22:41
just
22:41
no
22:41
way
22:41
to
22:41
do
22:42
it.
22:42
And
22:42
Jessica
22:43
Drew,
22:43
being
22:44
Spider
22:44
Woman,
22:45
who
22:45
was
22:46
connected,
22:46
had
22:47
her
22:47
own
22:47
cartoon,
22:47
her
22:48
own
22:48
comic,
22:48
were
22:49
part
22:49
of
22:49
the
22:49
Avengers,
22:50
you
22:50
know,
22:50
connected
22:50
to
22:51
Peter
22:51
Parker.
22:51
You
22:51
know,
22:52
you
22:52
have
22:52
a
22:52
Spider
22:52
man.
22:52
You
22:52
have
22:53
a
22:53
spider
22:53
woman.
22:53
So,
22:54
yeah,
22:54
that.
22:55
That's
22:55
kind
22:55
of
22:55
her
22:55
backstory,
22:56
but
22:56
she.
22:56
Has
22:57
no
22:57
spider
22:57
powers
22:58
like
22:58
Spider
22:59
man,
22:59
though.
22:59
Like,
22:59
it's
22:59
a
22:59
whole
22:59
different.
23:00
It's
23:00
a
23:00
different
23:01
random.
23:01
It's
23:01
weird.
23:02
Which
23:02
I
23:02
found
23:02
out
23:03
playing
23:03
Marvel.
23:04
What
23:04
was
23:05
it
23:05
called?
23:05
Marvel
23:05
Ultimate
23:05
Alliance.
23:06
Yeah,
23:06
that's
23:06
when
23:06
I
23:06
found
23:06
out.
23:07
I
23:07
was
23:07
like,
23:07
oh,
23:07
Spider
23:07
Woman.
23:07
It's
23:08
gonna
23:08
be
23:08
Spider
23:08
man,
23:08
but
23:08
a
23:08
woman.
23:08
That'll
23:09
be
23:09
cool.
23:09
Then
23:09
I
23:09
was
23:09
like,
23:09
nope.
23:11
Anyway,
23:12
so
23:13
what
23:13
was
23:13
cool,
23:13
though,
23:13
is
23:14
whenever
23:14
they
23:14
brought
23:14
this
23:14
character
23:15
to
23:15
light,
23:15
they
23:15
wanted
23:15
her
23:16
to
23:16
exist,
23:16
so
23:16
they
23:16
kind
23:16
of
23:16
shoehorned
23:17
her
23:17
in.
23:17
So
23:18
you'll
23:18
see
23:18
these
23:18
references
23:18
to
23:19
Avengers
23:19
and
23:19
different
23:19
stuff,
23:20
and
23:20
even
23:20
in
23:20
later
23:21
Spider
23:21
man
23:21
comics
23:21
and
23:22
stuff,
23:22
they'll
23:22
be
23:22
like,
23:22
oh,
23:23
yeah,
23:23
you
23:23
remember
23:23
when
23:23
she
23:23
was
23:24
in
23:24
high
23:24
school
23:24
with
23:24
me?
23:25
And
23:25
if
23:25
you
23:25
look
23:25
back,
23:25
yeah,
23:26
she
23:26
just
23:26
did
23:26
not
23:26
exist
23:27
before
23:27
Alias,
23:28
and
23:28
Marvel
23:28
decided
23:29
she
23:29
should
23:29
have.
23:30
So
23:30
now
23:30
she
23:30
does.
23:31
That's
23:31
how
23:31
that
23:32
works.
23:32
Yeah.
23:32
It's
23:32
classic
23:33
recon,
23:33
right?
23:34
You're
23:34
like
23:34
Brian
23:34
Michael
23:34
Bennes,
23:35
too,
23:35
times.
23:35
Retcons
23:35
work,
23:36
though.
23:36
It
23:36
worked.
23:36
Yeah.
23:37
I
23:37
created
23:37
a
23:37
character
23:38
and
23:38
then
23:38
said,
23:39
oh,
23:39
she
23:39
was
23:39
there
23:39
all
23:40
along.
23:41
She
23:41
was
23:41
a
23:41
superhero
23:42
jewel
23:42
who
23:43
could
23:43
fly
23:43
and
23:44
had
23:44
super
23:44
strength
23:45
and
23:45
was.
23:46
Had
23:46
super
23:47
durability
23:47
and.
23:48
Yeah,
23:48
he
23:48
was.
23:48
She
23:49
was.
23:49
See
23:49
that
23:49
person
23:50
sitting
23:50
in
23:50
the
23:50
classroom
23:50
with
23:51
Peter
23:51
Parker
23:51
behind
23:52
him
23:52
in
23:52
the
23:52
third
23:52
row
23:53
on
23:53
that
23:53
one
23:54
comic
23:54
Way
23:54
back
23:54
when,
23:55
that's
23:56
Jessica
23:56
Jones.
23:57
Like,
23:57
oh,
23:57
cool.
23:58
You
23:58
know,
23:58
why
23:58
not?
23:59
And,
24:00
but
24:00
Bendis
24:00
was
24:01
so,
24:02
so
24:03
good
24:03
at
24:03
dialogue
24:04
and,
24:05
and
24:05
character
24:06
development
24:06
and
24:06
he
24:07
was
24:08
behind
24:09
Ultimate
24:10
Spider
24:10
man
24:10
and
24:10
that
24:11
new
24:11
launch
24:11
of
24:11
the
24:11
ultimate
24:12
universe.
24:12
He,
24:12
he
24:13
was
24:13
behind
24:13
all
24:13
that
24:13
and
24:14
really
24:14
their
24:14
premier
24:15
creator
24:15
at
24:15
the
24:15
time.
24:15
So
24:16
when
24:16
I
24:16
let
24:16
him
24:16
run
24:16
with
24:16
this,
24:17
eventually
24:17
brought
24:17
her
24:17
in
24:18
to
24:18
the
24:18
Avengers.
24:19
New
24:19
Avengers.
24:19
Her
24:20
relationship
24:20
with
24:20
Luke
24:21
Cage
24:21
and
24:21
Power
24:21
Man.
24:22
They
24:22
had
24:22
a
24:22
kid
24:23
together.
24:23
She
24:24
became
24:24
Power
24:24
Woman.
24:25
I
24:25
mean,
24:25
all
24:26
kinds
24:26
of
24:26
just
24:27
a
24:27
new
24:27
creative,
24:27
cool
24:28
new
24:28
character
24:28
for
24:28
Marvel
24:29
there
24:29
in
24:30
the
24:30
2000s
24:30
that
24:30
led
24:31
into
24:31
a
24:31
lot
24:31
of
24:31
big
24:32
relaunches
24:32
and
24:33
eventually
24:33
you
24:33
get
24:34
to
24:34
the
24:34
tv
24:34
and
24:34
when
24:35
Netflix
24:35
is
24:35
doing
24:36
this
24:36
kind
24:37
of
24:37
series,
24:37
street
24:38
level
24:38
superhero,
24:39
the
24:39
MCU
24:40
is.
24:40
And
24:40
it's
24:40
starting
24:41
to
24:41
emerge
24:42
and
24:42
be
24:42
a
24:42
whole
24:42
thing.
24:43
Since
24:43
you
24:44
already
24:44
brought
24:44
up
24:44
the
24:44
show,
24:44
the
24:45
show
24:45
in
24:45
the
24:45
comic,
24:45
there's
24:46
a
24:46
lot
24:46
of
24:46
differences,
24:46
but
24:47
what
24:48
there
24:48
are
24:48
some
24:48
similarities
24:49
in
24:49
is
24:49
like
24:50
kind
24:50
of
24:50
the
24:50
premise,
24:50
the
24:51
premise
24:51
of
24:51
the
24:51
story,
24:51
like
24:52
just
24:52
the
24:52
bare
24:52
bones
24:52
of
24:53
it.
24:53
So
24:54
Will,
24:55
since
24:55
you,
24:56
you
24:56
are
24:56
the
24:56
knowledge
24:57
man,
24:57
the
24:57
magic
24:57
head,
24:58
if
24:58
you
24:58
will,
24:58
could
24:59
you,
25:00
I
25:00
don't
25:00
know,
25:00
maybe
25:01
just
25:01
give
25:01
us
25:01
the
25:01
premise
25:01
for
25:02
those
25:02
who
25:02
are
25:02
like,
25:02
what
25:02
is
25:02
Jessica
25:03
Jones?
25:03
Who's
25:03
Mr.
25:03
Purple?
25:04
What
25:04
does
25:04
it
25:04
have
25:04
to
25:04
do
25:04
with
25:04
all
25:04
that
25:05
omnipotent
25:05
stuff
25:05
that
25:05
y'all
25:06
mentioned
25:06
earlier?
25:07
Maybe
25:07
just
25:07
kind
25:08
of
25:08
fill
25:08
in
25:08
what
25:08
the
25:08
premise
25:09
of
25:09
this
25:09
story
25:09
is
25:09
when
25:09
it
25:10
comes
25:10
to
25:10
Mr.
25:10
Purple
25:10
and
25:10
Jessica
25:11
Jones
25:11
specifically.
25:12
So
25:12
in
25:12
the
25:12
comics,
25:13
Bendis
25:14
did
25:14
have
25:14
her
25:14
as
25:14
a
25:14
private
25:15
investigator
25:16
kind
25:17
of
25:17
backstory.
25:18
She
25:18
experienced
25:18
some
25:19
trauma
25:20
and,
25:21
you
25:21
know,
25:21
she
25:21
was
25:21
just
25:22
kind
25:22
of
25:22
like
25:22
a
25:23
noir
25:24
detective
25:25
series
25:25
up.
25:25
When
25:26
you
25:26
get
25:26
to,
25:26
I
25:26
think
25:27
it
25:27
was
25:27
a
25:27
couple,
25:28
you
25:28
had
25:28
the
25:29
first
25:29
couple
25:29
volumes
25:30
of
25:30
Alias,
25:30
it's
25:31
just
25:31
her
25:31
being
25:31
a
25:31
detective.
25:32
But
25:32
eventually
25:32
get
25:32
to
25:33
this
25:33
Mr.
25:33
Purple
25:35
Kilgrave
25:36
storyline
25:37
where
25:38
basically
25:39
mind
25:39
control
25:40
power,
25:40
Kilgrave.
25:42
Let
25:42
me
25:42
see
25:42
if
25:42
I
25:43
can
25:43
find,
25:43
like,
25:44
he's
25:44
a
25:44
different
25:45
name
25:45
in
25:46
the
25:46
comics
25:46
than
25:46
he
25:47
is
25:47
in
25:47
the
25:47
TV
25:48
show.
25:48
So
25:48
Zebediah
25:49
Kilgrave,
25:50
who
25:50
appeared
25:51
in
25:52
Daredevil
25:53
issue
25:53
4,
25:54
1964,
25:54
he's
25:55
the
25:55
long
25:55
term
25:55
villain
25:56
in
25:56
the
25:56
Marvel
25:56
universe
25:56
universe
25:57
in
25:57
terms
25:57
of
25:57
this
25:57
guy
25:58
who
25:58
has
25:58
the
25:59
power
25:59
of
25:59
suggestion,
26:00
the
26:00
power
26:00
Psycho
26:02
Psycho
26:02
powers
26:03
of
26:03
controlling
26:04
your
26:04
psyche,
26:05
your
26:05
mind
26:06
and
26:06
power.
26:07
Whatever
26:07
he
26:07
says
26:07
he
26:08
can
26:08
make
26:08
you
26:08
do,
26:08
which
26:08
is
26:09
a
26:09
pretty
26:09
powerful
26:11
power.
26:12
And
26:12
then
26:12
if
26:12
you're
26:13
not
26:13
in
26:13
your
26:13
own
26:14
right
26:14
mind,
26:14
you
26:14
use
26:15
that
26:15
to
26:15
manipulate
26:15
others,
26:16
to
26:16
do
26:16
your
26:16
own
26:16
bidding.
26:17
So,
26:17
yeah,
26:18
even
26:18
the
26:18
purest
26:18
of
26:19
heart
26:19
would
26:19
have
26:19
a
26:19
hard
26:19
time
26:19
resisting
26:20
what
26:20
they
26:21
have
26:21
to
26:21
do
26:21
if
26:21
they
26:21
could
26:21
control
26:22
people
26:22
around
26:23
them.
26:23
And
26:23
eventually
26:23
it
26:23
Gets
26:23
around
26:24
to.
26:24
To
26:24
this
26:25
storyline
26:25
of
26:27
Jessica
26:28
being
26:28
controlled
26:30
for
26:31
his
26:31
own
26:31
pleasure
26:32
and
26:32
doing
26:33
and
26:33
ego.
26:34
When
26:34
it
26:34
comes
26:34
to
26:34
Mr.
26:35
Purple.
26:35
Didn't
26:35
know
26:35
what
26:35
else
26:36
you
26:36
wanted
26:36
to
26:36
do
26:36
there
26:36
in
26:36
the
26:37
comics.
26:38
Yeah,
26:38
yeah.
26:38
No,
26:39
Jason,
26:39
the
26:39
comics
26:39
on
26:39
the
26:39
show.
26:40
Just
26:40
talking
26:40
about
26:40
the
26:40
general
26:40
premise.
26:41
I
26:41
think
26:41
that's
26:41
basically
26:42
it.
26:42
She
26:43
ends
26:43
up
26:43
a
26:43
detective.
26:44
Ex
26:44
superhero.
26:45
Yeah.
26:46
Killgrave.
26:46
Mr.
26:46
Purple
26:47
has
26:47
the
26:47
ability
26:47
to
26:47
control
26:48
people,
26:48
causes
26:49
terrible
26:49
things.
26:51
Yeah.
26:51
I
26:52
think
26:52
it's
26:52
pretty
26:52
clear
26:52
that
26:52
this
26:52
episode's
26:53
already
26:53
going
26:53
to
26:53
be
26:53
explicit
26:54
because
26:54
there's
26:54
no
26:54
way
26:54
to
26:54
talk
26:54
about
26:55
this
26:55
without
26:55
it.
26:55
And
26:55
the
26:55
pastor
26:56
already
26:56
said
26:56
shit.
26:57
So
26:57
here
26:58
we
26:58
are.
26:59
There's
26:59
a
26:59
lot.
27:00
Systematic
27:01
ecology
27:01
met
27:01
and
27:02
sexual
27:02
assault
27:03
and
27:03
all
27:03
that
27:04
kind
27:04
of
27:04
stuff.
27:06
So
27:07
you
27:08
just
27:08
can't
27:08
not
27:08
be
27:08
explicit
27:09
when
27:09
you're
27:09
talking
27:09
about
27:09
that.
27:09
There's
27:10
no
27:10
real
27:10
way
27:10
to
27:10
do
27:10
that.
27:11
So
27:12
that's
27:12
what
27:12
we're
27:13
talking
27:13
about.
27:14
And
27:14
that
27:14
comes
27:15
up
27:15
in
27:15
the
27:15
show
27:16
as
27:16
well
27:16
as
27:16
the
27:16
comics.
27:17
I
27:17
think
27:18
it's
27:18
made
27:18
a
27:18
little
27:18
bit
27:19
more
27:19
explicitly
27:19
clear
27:20
in
27:20
the
27:20
show,
27:21
but
27:21
it
27:21
is.
27:22
Does
27:22
exist
27:22
in
27:22
both.
27:22
In
27:23
both
27:23
of
27:23
them,
27:24
there's
27:24
a
27:24
reference
27:25
to
27:25
him
27:25
making
27:26
her
27:26
watch
27:26
him
27:27
rape
27:27
somebody
27:28
else.
27:29
So
27:29
it's
27:29
kind
27:29
of
27:29
like
27:29
a.
27:30
Yeah,
27:30
you
27:31
want
27:31
to
27:31
talk
27:31
about
27:31
an
27:32
awful
27:32
bad
27:32
guy.
27:33
It's
27:34
one
27:34
of
27:34
those,
27:34
like,
27:34
you
27:35
know,
27:35
like,
27:35
everybody
27:35
can
27:36
be
27:36
like,
27:36
oh,
27:36
yeah,
27:36
I
27:36
like
27:36
Kill
27:36
Grave,
27:37
Kill
27:37
Gray
27:37
is
27:37
a
27:37
cool
27:37
bad
27:38
guy.
27:38
No
27:38
one.
27:39
I
27:39
don't
27:39
think
27:39
anyone
27:39
in
27:39
the
27:40
right
27:40
mind
27:40
feels
27:40
comfortable
27:41
saying
27:41
they
27:41
like
27:41
Mr.
27:42
Purple.
27:42
David
27:42
Tennant's
27:43
betrayal.
27:44
Amazing.
27:45
Incredible
27:45
how
27:46
he
27:46
does
27:46
that.
27:46
But
27:46
there's
27:47
no
27:47
way
27:47
to
27:47
be
27:47
like,
27:47
oh,
27:47
yeah,
27:47
that's
27:47
a
27:48
good
27:48
bad
27:48
guy.
27:48
I
27:48
like
27:48
him.
27:49
No,
27:49
it's
27:50
just
27:50
not
27:51
really
27:51
a
27:51
character
27:51
anyone
27:52
he,
27:52
like,
27:52
relates
27:52
to.
27:53
Not
27:53
like,
27:54
yeah,
27:54
if
27:54
you
27:55
create
27:55
a.
27:55
Villain,
27:56
you
27:56
know,
27:56
a
27:56
super
27:57
villain,
27:57
though,
27:59
it
27:59
makes
27:59
a
27:59
difference
27:59
what
28:00
they're
28:00
kind
28:00
of
28:00
powering.
28:00
Like,
28:00
you
28:01
have
28:01
Dr.
28:01
Doom,
28:02
you
28:02
have
28:03
Thanos,
28:03
you.
28:04
What
28:04
are
28:04
they
28:05
after?
28:05
They're
28:05
after
28:05
control.
28:06
They're
28:06
after
28:06
power.
28:06
They
28:07
want
28:07
to
28:07
rule
28:07
everything.
28:07
And.
28:08
And
28:08
when
28:09
Kilgrave.
28:10
Mr.
28:10
Purple
28:10
shows
28:10
up
28:11
on
28:11
the
28:11
last
28:11
page
28:12
of
28:12
a
28:12
cliffhanger
28:13
comic
28:13
book,
28:13
you're
28:13
like,
28:13
oh,
28:14
crap,
28:14
it's
28:14
about
28:15
to
28:15
happen.
28:15
Or
28:16
to
28:16
explain
28:16
what's
28:17
going
28:17
on
28:17
within
28:18
the
28:18
comics,
28:19
why
28:19
people
28:19
are
28:19
doing
28:19
what
28:19
they're
28:20
doing
28:20
out
28:20
of
28:20
character.
28:21
Then
28:22
Purple.
28:22
Purple
28:23
man
28:23
is
28:23
one
28:23
of
28:23
those
28:24
up
28:24
at
28:24
the
28:24
top
28:24
that,
28:25
like,
28:25
yeah,
28:25
you
28:25
should
28:25
be
28:26
scared
28:26
of
28:26
him.
28:26
Similar
28:26
to,
28:26
like,
28:27
Joker
28:27
and
28:27
other
28:28
characters
28:28
when
28:28
they
28:28
show
28:29
up.
28:29
If
28:29
you're
28:29
intimidated
28:30
and
28:30
scared,
28:30
well,
28:30
you
28:30
should
28:30
be
28:31
because
28:31
he's.
28:31
He's
28:31
got
28:32
a
28:32
pretty
28:32
awful
28:32
power
28:32
set.
28:33
Yeah,
28:34
yeah,
28:34
yeah,
28:34
yeah.
28:35
So
28:36
going
28:36
back
28:36
to
28:36
drilling
28:37
in
28:37
a
28:37
little
28:37
bit
28:37
more
28:37
to
28:37
the
28:38
comic
28:38
part
28:38
of
28:38
it.
28:40
Will,
28:40
I
28:41
know
28:41
you
28:41
like
28:42
to
28:42
do
28:42
this,
28:42
so
28:43
who
28:43
do
28:43
you
28:43
want
28:44
to
28:44
mention?
28:44
Who
28:44
do
28:44
you
28:44
want
28:45
to
28:45
cred
28:45
for
28:45
the
28:45
Alias
28:46
series?
28:46
We
28:46
mentioned
28:47
Bendis.
28:47
Are
28:48
there
28:48
any
28:48
artists
28:48
letters,
28:49
anything
28:49
like
28:50
that
28:50
that
28:50
you
28:50
want
28:50
to
28:50
shout
28:50
out?
28:51
Oh,
28:51
oh,
28:51
yeah,
28:52
the
28:52
artist.
28:53
Where's
28:53
his
28:54
name?
28:54
Michael
28:54
Gaydos.
28:56
G
28:56
A
28:56
Y
28:56
D
28:57
O
28:57
S.
28:58
Definitely.
28:59
He's
28:59
the
29:00
guy
29:00
that
29:00
was
29:00
kind
29:00
of
29:01
on
29:01
there.
29:02
There's
29:02
definitely
29:03
with
29:04
all
29:04
the
29:04
artists
29:05
with
29:05
the
29:05
Max
29:05
series
29:06
with
29:06
Marvel,
29:07
they
29:07
pick
29:07
really
29:07
gritty,
29:08
kind
29:08
of
29:08
shadowy
29:09
noir
29:10
kind
29:10
of
29:10
artists
29:10
and
29:11
storytelling.
29:11
But,
29:12
yeah,
29:12
I
29:12
think
29:12
there's.
29:13
Bendis
29:13
really
29:13
helped
29:13
form
29:14
that.
29:14
And
29:14
then
29:14
the
29:14
artists
29:14
that
29:15
he
29:15
chose
29:15
to
29:15
come
29:15
along
29:16
with
29:16
them
29:16
were
29:17
definitely
29:17
the
29:18
right
29:18
picks
29:18
when
29:18
it
29:18
comes
29:18
to
29:19
expressing
29:21
and
29:21
putting
29:22
the
29:22
story
29:22
and
29:23
images
29:23
on
29:23
the
29:24
page
29:24
for
29:24
us.
29:25
But
29:25
Bendis
29:25
is
29:25
very
29:26
wordy.
29:26
You
29:26
know,
29:26
he
29:26
has
29:27
a
29:27
lot
29:27
of
29:27
talking
29:27
heads.
29:27
He's
29:28
not
29:28
known
29:28
for
29:28
his
29:28
action
29:29
sequences.
29:29
A
29:29
lot
29:30
of
29:30
people,
29:30
a
29:31
lot
29:31
of
29:31
talking
29:31
heads
29:32
on
29:33
his
29:34
pages
29:34
just
29:34
because
29:34
he's
29:35
so
29:35
good
29:35
at
29:35
dialogue
29:35
and
29:36
characterization.
29:37
So,
29:37
yeah,
29:39
that's
29:39
what
29:39
he
29:39
does
29:39
with
29:40
his
29:40
comics.
29:40
Yeah,
29:40
yeah,
29:40
yeah.
29:41
All
29:41
right,
29:41
so
29:41
let's
29:41
jump
29:42
in.
29:43
Still
29:43
heavy
29:44
on
29:44
the
29:44
comic
29:44
side.
29:44
I
29:45
don't
29:45
know
29:45
if
29:45
Nick
29:45
had
29:45
anything
29:45
he
29:46
wanted
29:46
to
29:46
chime
29:46
in
29:46
with,
29:47
but
29:48
we
29:49
read
29:49
this
29:49
whole
29:49
thing
29:49
and
29:50
watched
29:50
this
29:50
series
29:50
in
29:51
preparation
29:51
for
29:51
this.
29:51
This
29:51
has
29:51
been
29:51
an
29:52
episode
29:52
a
29:52
long
29:53
time
29:53
in
29:53
the
29:53
running,
29:54
making
29:54
like
29:55
a
29:55
month
29:55
or
29:55
so.
29:56
Nick,
29:57
as
29:57
far
29:57
as,
29:57
like,
29:57
when
29:57
you
29:58
read
29:58
this,
29:58
were
29:58
there
29:58
any,
29:58
like,
29:59
connections
29:59
to
30:00
other
30:00
Marvel
30:00
heroes
30:00
and
30:01
stuff
30:01
that
30:01
you
30:01
were
30:01
kind
30:01
of
30:01
surprised
30:02
by
30:02
reading
30:02
the
30:03
Alias
30:03
comics?
30:04
It
30:04
was
30:04
more
30:04
just
30:05
like
30:06
how
30:07
the
30:07
references
30:08
on
30:08
the
30:08
TV
30:09
show
30:09
were,
30:10
like,
30:10
allusions
30:10
to
30:11
the
30:11
comic.
30:11
You
30:12
know,
30:12
it's
30:12
always
30:12
those
30:13
things
30:13
where,
30:13
like.
30:13
Because
30:14
I
30:14
watched
30:14
the
30:14
tv,
30:14
you
30:15
know,
30:15
I
30:15
did
30:15
the
30:15
whole
30:15
Defenders
30:16
thing
30:16
on
30:17
when
30:17
it
30:17
was
30:17
originally
30:18
Netflix
30:19
and,
30:20
you
30:20
know,
30:20
knew
30:21
had
30:21
not
30:21
read
30:22
any
30:22
of
30:22
the
30:22
Mac
30:22
stuff
30:23
really.
30:23
I
30:24
mean,
30:24
like
30:24
I
30:24
said,
30:24
I
30:24
think
30:25
the
30:25
only
30:25
real
30:26
comic
30:26
series
30:26
I
30:27
ever
30:27
read
30:28
was
30:29
the
30:29
God,
30:29
the
30:30
Gore
30:30
Butcher
30:30
stuff
30:30
that
30:30
y'all
30:31
suggested
30:31
to
30:31
me
30:32
a
30:32
few
30:32
years
30:32
ago,
30:32
so.
30:32
Good.
30:33
Yeah.
30:33
And
30:34
so
30:34
I
30:34
was
30:34
just
30:35
kind
30:35
of
30:35
riding
30:36
the
30:37
little
30:38
TV
30:39
MCU
30:39
there.
30:41
And
30:41
so
30:42
I
30:42
think
30:42
it
30:42
really
30:43
was
30:43
just
30:43
more
30:43
about,
30:43
like,
30:44
oh,
30:44
I
30:44
recognize,
30:45
you
30:46
know,
30:46
that
30:47
from
30:47
this
30:48
illusion,
30:48
you
30:48
know,
30:48
the
30:48
Jewel
30:49
costume,
30:50
you
30:50
know,
30:50
from
30:50
the
30:50
first
30:50
season
30:51
and
30:51
things
30:51
like
30:51
that.
30:52
And
30:52
then,
30:53
you
30:53
know,
30:53
then
30:54
to
30:54
the.
30:54
The
30:54
Spider
30:55
Man
30:55
Stu
30:55
stuff
30:55
and
30:56
things.
30:56
And
30:56
then
30:56
even
30:57
Learning
30:57
about
30:57
how
30:58
Mr.
30:59
Purple
30:59
was
30:59
connected
31:00
to
31:00
Daredevil
31:00
first.
31:02
Because
31:02
in
31:02
Jessica
31:03
Jones
31:03
TV
31:03
show,
31:04
you
31:04
think
31:04
that
31:04
it's
31:04
like
31:04
a
31:05
Jessica
31:05
Jones
31:05
original
31:06
villain
31:07
when
31:07
you
31:08
first
31:08
watch
31:08
it.
31:09
Which
31:10
I
31:10
think
31:10
since
31:11
the
31:11
Alias
31:11
comics
31:12
dropped,
31:12
I
31:12
think
31:13
even
31:13
most
31:13
comic
31:13
book
31:14
readers,
31:14
when
31:14
you
31:14
think
31:14
of
31:14
Mr.
31:15
Purple,
31:15
you
31:15
probably
31:15
do
31:16
first
31:17
think
31:17
of
31:17
Jessica
31:18
Jones
31:18
now,
31:18
because
31:19
that
31:19
story
31:19
was
31:19
just
31:20
so
31:20
impactful.
31:20
It's
31:21
almost
31:21
like,
31:22
for
31:22
me.
31:23
And
31:23
we'll
31:23
talk
31:23
more
31:23
about
31:24
it
31:24
here
31:24
in
31:24
a
31:24
minute,
31:24
I
31:24
guess.
31:25
But,
31:25
like,
31:25
the
31:25
old
31:25
ones
31:25
that
31:26
I've
31:26
read
31:26
with
31:26
him
31:26
and,
31:26
like,
31:27
Daredevil
31:27
or
31:27
the
31:27
X
31:28
Men
31:28
or,
31:28
like,
31:29
even,
31:29
like,
31:29
when
31:29
he
31:29
showed
31:29
up
31:30
in
31:30
other
31:30
places,
31:31
it
31:31
was
31:31
always
31:31
like,
31:31
oh,
31:32
Mr.
31:32
Purple,
31:32
that's
31:32
a
31:32
fun,
31:33
silly.
31:33
You
31:33
know,
31:33
fun,
31:34
silly
31:34
bad
31:34
guy.
31:35
And
31:35
then,
31:35
like,
31:35
you
31:35
read
31:36
this
31:36
and
31:36
you're
31:36
like,
31:37
no,
31:37
not
31:38
a
31:38
fun,
31:38
silly
31:38
bad
31:39
guy.
31:40
And
31:40
that's
31:40
where,
31:40
like,
31:41
I
31:41
think
31:41
it
31:41
went
31:41
from,
31:41
like,
31:42
we
31:42
all
31:42
called
31:42
him
31:42
Mr.
31:42
Purple
31:43
to
31:43
now,
31:43
like,
31:43
it
31:44
doesn't.
31:44
Like,
31:44
it
31:44
feels
31:44
weird
31:45
calling
31:45
him
31:45
Mr.
31:46
Purple
31:46
because
31:46
that's
31:46
such
31:46
a
31:46
silly
31:47
name
31:47
that
31:47
you're
31:47
like,
31:47
I
31:48
feel
31:48
like
31:48
I
31:48
have
31:48
to
31:48
call
31:48
him
31:48
Gilbert.
31:50
And
31:50
there's
31:50
other
31:51
analogies,
31:51
too,
31:51
with
31:51
other
31:52
villains.
31:52
Like,
31:52
with.
31:53
Whether
31:53
it's
31:53
Thanos
31:54
or
31:54
even
31:54
Joker.
31:55
Like,
31:55
Joker
31:55
was
31:55
just
31:55
a
31:56
silly
31:56
clown,
31:56
right?
31:56
You
31:57
know,
31:58
he
31:58
made
31:58
jokes
31:58
or
31:59
made,
31:59
like,
32:00
weird
32:00
things
32:00
come
32:01
out
32:01
of
32:01
Gun.
32:01
I
32:01
don't
32:02
know.
32:02
Like,
32:02
I
32:02
think
32:03
as.
32:03
As
32:03
we've
32:04
matured
32:04
as
32:04
a
32:04
medium,
32:05
comics
32:05
have
32:05
made
32:06
a
32:06
medium.
32:06
Some
32:07
of
32:07
these
32:07
villains
32:07
have
32:08
gone
32:08
darker
32:08
and
32:08
darker
32:08
and
32:09
darker
32:09
and
32:09
darker
32:09
as
32:10
we
32:10
think
32:10
about
32:10
the
32:10
world
32:10
we
32:11
live
32:11
in
32:11
and
32:12
things
32:12
like
32:12
that.
32:13
So
32:15
Mr.
32:15
Purple.
32:16
Yeah,
32:17
just
32:17
a
32:17
kind
32:17
of
32:17
a
32:17
villain.
32:18
Oh,
32:18
isn't
32:18
it
32:18
fun?
32:18
Stan
32:19
Lee's
32:19
like,
32:19
oh,
32:19
cool.
32:19
Someone
32:20
was
32:20
like,
32:20
can
32:20
control
32:21
your
32:21
mind?
32:21
Oh,
32:21
no.
32:21
How
32:21
are
32:21
you
32:22
gonna
32:22
get
32:22
out
32:22
of
32:22
this
32:22
tight
32:22
one
32:22
this
32:23
week?
32:24
Daredevil
32:24
friends,
32:25
Spidey
32:25
friends.
32:25
But
32:26
then
32:26
eventually,
32:27
you
32:27
can
32:27
really
32:27
go,
32:28
like,
32:28
what
32:28
Bendis
32:29
does
32:29
in
32:29
this
32:29
Mech
32:29
series.
32:30
Go.
32:30
Go
32:30
really
32:30
dark.
32:31
And
32:31
I
32:31
think
32:31
the
32:31
same
32:31
way
32:31
with,
32:32
like,
32:32
Joker.
32:32
He
32:33
was
32:33
one
32:33
of
32:33
Batman's
32:34
villains,
32:34
but,
32:34
man,
32:34
you
32:34
get
32:35
Scott
32:35
Snyder
32:35
on
32:36
a
32:36
Joker
32:36
book,
32:37
and
32:37
you're
32:37
like,
32:37
that's
32:37
the
32:38
scariest
32:38
thing
32:38
I've
32:38
ever
32:39
read.
32:39
So,
32:40
yeah,
32:40
there's
32:40
some
32:40
analogies
32:41
there
32:41
in
32:41
terms
32:41
of
32:41
how
32:41
we
32:41
go.
32:42
Yeah,
32:42
yeah,
32:43
apologize
32:43
to
32:44
everyone.
32:44
The
32:44
dog's
32:44
about
32:44
to
32:45
be
32:45
loud.
32:46
But,
32:47
you
32:47
know,
32:47
that's
32:47
what
32:48
happened.
32:48
We're
32:48
podcasters
32:49
in
32:49
the
32:49
real
32:49
world,
32:50
as
32:50
Ron
32:50
likes
32:50
to
32:50
say.
32:53
Yeah.
32:53
What's
32:54
fun,
32:54
though,
32:54
my
32:54
first
32:55
connection
32:55
with
32:55
Mr.
32:55
Purple
32:55
that
32:56
I
32:56
wanted
32:56
to
32:56
bring
32:56
up,
32:57
because
32:57
I
32:57
don't
32:57
know
32:57
if
32:57
you
32:58
guys
32:58
have
32:58
any.
32:58
Like,
32:58
Nick
32:59
kind
32:59
of
32:59
mentioned
32:59
his
32:59
first
32:59
introduction
33:00
was
33:00
kind
33:00
of
33:00
through
33:00
the
33:01
show.
33:02
And
33:02
I'm
33:02
sure
33:02
when
33:03
Will
33:03
gets
33:03
to,
33:03
like,
33:03
her
33:03
connection
33:04
to
33:04
other
33:04
Marvel
33:04
heroes,
33:04
we'll
33:04
hear
33:05
about
33:05
his
33:06
history
33:06
helping
33:07
Stan
33:07
Lee
33:07
come
33:07
up
33:08
with
33:08
the
33:08
idea
33:08
for
33:08
Mr.
33:08
Purple
33:09
or
33:09
something.
33:09
But
33:11
I,
33:12
my
33:12
first
33:13
was
33:13
really
33:14
random.
33:14
It
33:14
was
33:14
playing
33:15
the
33:15
role
33:15
playing
33:16
game
33:16
Champions,
33:16
which
33:16
is
33:16
like
33:17
D
33:17
and
33:17
D
33:17
but
33:17
for
33:17
superheroes.
33:19
And
33:19
everybody
33:20
had
33:20
to,
33:20
you
33:21
had
33:21
to
33:21
have
33:21
a
33:21
weakness
33:22
and
33:22
you
33:22
had
33:22
to
33:22
choose
33:22
your
33:23
own
33:23
nemesis.
33:24
Like
33:24
who
33:24
was
33:24
your
33:24
nemesis.
33:26
And
33:26
you
33:26
know,
33:26
most
33:26
people
33:27
like
33:27
create
33:27
their
33:27
own
33:27
thing,
33:27
but
33:27
there
33:28
are
33:28
places
33:28
on
33:28
the
33:28
Internet
33:28
where
33:28
you
33:29
can
33:29
like
33:29
find
33:29
like
33:29
Spider
33:30
Man's
33:30
champions
33:31
paper
33:31
or
33:32
you
33:32
know,
33:32
whatever.
33:32
And
33:33
one
33:33
of
33:33
the
33:33
people,
33:33
one
33:33
of
33:34
the
33:34
guys
33:34
I
33:34
played
33:34
with,
33:35
he
33:35
decided
33:35
his
33:35
weakness
33:36
was
33:36
literally
33:36
the
33:37
color
33:37
Purple
33:38
and
33:38
made
33:38
his
33:38
nemesis
33:39
Mr.
33:39
Purple.
33:40
And
33:40
that's
33:40
why
33:41
I
33:41
think
33:41
early
33:42
on
33:42
I
33:42
was
33:42
like,
33:42
oh,
33:42
what
33:42
a
33:42
silly
33:42
bad
33:43
guy.
33:43
Oh,
33:43
he
33:43
could
33:43
control
33:44
minds,
33:44
but
33:44
it's
33:44
like,
33:44
ooh,
33:45
purple.
33:46
And
33:46
now
33:46
I'm
33:46
like,
33:46
oh
33:47
no,
33:47
that
33:47
was
33:47
just
33:47
him
33:48
being
33:48
silly.
33:48
That
33:48
is
33:48
not
33:49
the
33:49
character
33:50
necessarily
33:50
being
33:51
a
33:51
silly
33:51
character.
33:53
But
33:54
yeah.
33:54
So
33:54
we
33:54
mentioned
33:54
Spider
33:55
man
33:55
connection.
33:55
I
33:56
have
33:56
like
33:56
Captain
33:56
America
33:57
above
33:57
me
33:57
been
33:58
drinking
33:58
my
33:58
coffee
33:59
out
33:59
of
33:59
a
33:59
Captain
34:00
America
34:00
cup,
34:00
all
34:00
that
34:01
good
34:01
stuff.
34:01
So
34:01
for
34:02
me,
34:02
one
34:02
of
34:02
the
34:02
big
34:02
connections
34:03
obviously
34:03
is
34:04
she
34:04
discovers
34:04
Captain
34:04
America's
34:05
identity.
34:05
Because
34:05
this
34:06
was
34:06
back
34:06
before
34:07
it
34:07
was
34:07
like
34:07
widely
34:08
known.
34:09
I
34:09
guess
34:10
that
34:10
part
34:10
was
34:10
still
34:11
weird
34:11
to
34:11
me,
34:11
but
34:12
whatever.
34:13
She
34:13
dates
34:14
Scott
34:14
Lang,
34:14
AKA
34:15
Ant
34:15
Man.
34:16
We
34:16
see
34:16
this
34:16
reference
34:17
to
34:17
Spider
34:17
man
34:17
here,
34:18
but
34:19
as
34:19
you
34:19
mentioned,
34:20
first
34:20
was
34:20
daredevil
34:21
was
34:21
Mr.
34:21
Purple
34:22
is
34:22
where
34:22
he
34:22
was
34:23
first
34:23
seen.
34:23
And
34:23
then
34:24
later
34:24
we
34:24
see
34:24
him
34:24
like
34:24
X
34:25
Men.
34:25
Different
34:25
stuff
34:25
like
34:25
that
34:26
will
34:27
fill
34:27
us
34:27
in
34:27
on
34:28
all
34:28
the
34:28
gaps.
34:28
Me
34:28
and
34:29
Nick
34:29
touched
34:29
everything.
34:29
We
34:30
can
34:30
fill
34:30
in
34:30
the
34:30
gaps.
34:31
What
34:31
are
34:31
the
34:31
connections
34:32
to
34:32
The
34:32
Jessica
34:33
Jones,
34:33
Mr.
34:33
Purple
34:33
and
34:33
the
34:34
rest
34:34
of
34:34
the
34:34
Marvel
34:35
stuff?
34:36
Yeah,
34:36
I
34:36
mean,
34:36
I
34:36
think,
34:37
you
34:37
know,
34:37
when,
34:37
when
34:37
a
34:38
creator
34:38
is
34:38
trying
34:38
to
34:39
figure
34:39
out,
34:39
write
34:39
their
34:39
own
34:40
story,
34:40
there's,
34:40
there's
34:41
some
34:41
big
34:41
stories
34:41
with
34:41
the
34:41
big
34:42
time
34:42
superheroes
34:43
and
34:43
villains.
34:43
But
34:43
then
34:43
if
34:43
you
34:44
want
34:44
to,
34:44
you
34:45
know,
34:45
if
34:45
you're
34:45
going
34:45
to
34:45
get
34:45
creative
34:46
as
34:46
a
34:46
writer,
34:46
what's
34:46
going
34:46
to
34:46
give
34:46
you
34:47
passion
34:47
and,
34:48
and,
34:48
and
34:48
the
34:48
creative
34:49
juices
34:49
to
34:49
keep
34:50
going?
34:50
You
34:50
might
34:50
pick
34:51
a
34:51
deep
34:51
cut
34:52
villain
34:52
and
34:53
run
34:53
with
34:53
it.
34:53
So
34:53
business,
34:54
you
34:54
know,
34:54
ran
34:54
with,
34:54
with
34:55
Purple
34:55
man
34:55
and,
34:56
and
34:56
Killgrave
34:57
and
34:57
mind
34:57
control
34:58
and
34:58
she's
34:59
a
34:59
detective,
34:59
she's
34:59
a
34:59
great
35:00
detector.
35:00
She
35:00
can
35:00
figure
35:01
things
35:01
out.
35:01
She
35:01
has
35:02
her
35:02
own
35:02
problems,
35:03
drinking
35:03
problems
35:04
and
35:04
you
35:04
know,
35:04
it's
35:05
a
35:05
noir
35:05
storytelling.
35:06
You
35:06
know,
35:06
you
35:07
come
35:07
into
35:07
her
35:08
office
35:08
and
35:08
she's
35:08
got
35:09
to
35:09
figure
35:09
out
35:09
the
35:09
crime
35:09
and
35:10
figure
35:10
out,
35:10
you
35:10
know,
35:11
private
35:11
investigating.
35:11
But
35:12
one
35:12
thing
35:12
I
35:13
found
35:13
discovered
35:13
through
35:14
leading
35:14
up
35:15
to
35:15
this
35:15
pod
35:16
is
35:16
that,
35:16
oh,
35:17
there
35:17
was
35:18
a
35:18
graphic
35:18
novel
35:19
called
35:19
Emperor
35:20
Doom
35:21
where
35:21
Doom
35:22
harnesses
35:22
the
35:23
power
35:23
of
35:23
Mr.
35:23
Purple,
35:25
Kilgrave,
35:25
so
35:26
that
35:26
he
35:26
can
35:26
take
35:27
over
35:27
my
35:27
control
35:27
whoever
35:28
he
35:28
wants
35:28
and
35:28
whoever
35:29
he's
35:29
around
35:29
in
35:29
the
35:29
entire
35:30
world.
35:30
And
35:31
so
35:31
if
35:31
we
35:31
think
35:32
the
35:32
present
35:32
day
35:32
comic
35:33
book,
35:33
one
35:33
World
35:33
Under
35:34
Doom,
35:34
where
35:34
he
35:34
has.
35:35
He's
35:35
the
35:35
Sorcerer
35:36
supreme
35:36
and
35:36
he's
35:36
taking
35:37
over
35:37
the
35:37
world
35:37
because
35:37
he's
35:37
a
35:37
sorcerer.
35:38
Well,
35:38
this
35:38
has
35:38
been
35:38
done
35:39
before
35:39
in
35:39
emperor
35:40
doom
35:40
in
35:40
1987.
35:41
So
35:42
I
35:42
didn't
35:42
know
35:42
of
35:43
this
35:43
until
35:43
I've
35:43
been
35:43
starting
35:44
reading
35:44
it.
35:44
And
35:44
basically
35:45
this
35:45
thing
35:45
we're
35:46
seeing
35:46
here
35:46
is
35:46
that
35:47
he's
35:47
revealing
35:47
to
35:48
Namor
35:48
in
35:48
this
35:48
picture
35:49
that
35:50
he
35:51
has
35:51
one
35:51
hair
35:52
from
35:52
Kilgrave
35:53
and
35:53
put
35:53
it
35:53
in
35:53
this
35:54
psycho
35:55
prism.
35:56
And.
35:56
And
35:56
he
35:56
can
35:56
now
35:56
control
35:57
those
35:57
around
35:57
him
35:57
and
35:57
those
35:58
around
35:58
the
35:58
world.
35:58
So
35:59
it's
35:59
pretty
36:00
fun.
36:00
Like
36:00
the
36:00
opening
36:01
scene
36:01
to
36:01
this
36:01
graphic
36:02
novel
36:02
is
36:03
Mr.
36:03
Purple
36:03
basically
36:04
feet
36:05
up
36:05
on
36:05
a
36:05
beach
36:06
on
36:06
vacation.
36:06
And
36:07
the
36:07
people
36:07
around
36:07
him,
36:07
I'm
36:08
serving
36:08
him
36:08
because
36:08
he
36:08
could
36:09
control
36:09
them,
36:09
make
36:09
them
36:09
do
36:09
whatever
36:10
he
36:10
wants.
36:10
But
36:10
then
36:11
some
36:11
dark
36:11
figure
36:12
snatches
36:12
him,
36:13
kidnaps
36:13
him.
36:13
He's
36:13
like,
36:13
no,
36:14
not
36:14
you.
36:14
Well,
36:15
it's
36:15
probably
36:15
Dr.
36:15
Doom.
36:16
And
36:17
then
36:17
how
36:17
he's
36:17
using
36:18
him,
36:18
manipulating
36:19
him
36:19
so
36:19
that
36:19
he
36:19
can
36:20
use
36:20
and
36:20
manipulate
36:21
other
36:21
people
36:21
as
36:21
well.
36:22
Yeah.
36:23
Which
36:24
also,
36:24
because
36:25
that's
36:26
a
36:26
fun
36:26
reference
36:27
that
36:27
reminds
36:27
me
36:27
of
36:28
this
36:28
is
36:28
like,
36:28
well,
36:28
after
36:29
Alias
36:29
and
36:29
all
36:29
that.
36:29
But
36:29
like
36:29
a
36:30
couple
36:30
years
36:30
ago,
36:31
there
36:31
was
36:31
a
36:31
comic
36:31
that
36:32
I
36:32
think
36:32
the
36:32
new
36:32
Daredevil
36:33
series
36:34
is
36:34
building
36:34
off
36:34
of
36:35
Devil's
36:35
Reign.
36:36
And
36:36
it's
36:36
revealed
36:37
in
36:37
that
36:37
part
36:38
of
36:38
how
36:38
Kingpin
36:38
becomes
36:39
the
36:40
mayor
36:40
in
36:40
the
36:40
comics.
36:41
I
36:42
don't
36:42
know
36:42
if
36:42
this
36:42
could
36:43
be
36:43
a
36:43
spoiler.
36:43
I
36:44
doubt
36:44
it's
36:44
gonna
36:44
be
36:44
a
36:44
spoiler
36:45
for
36:45
the
36:45
show,
36:45
but
36:45
plug
36:46
your
36:46
ears
36:46
if
36:46
you
36:46
want.
36:47
Part
36:47
of
36:47
how
36:47
it
36:48
works,
36:48
though,
36:48
is
36:49
kingpin
36:49
has
36:50
Mr.
36:50
Purple
36:50
in
36:51
a
36:51
contraption
36:52
and
36:52
is
36:52
using
36:52
it
36:52
to
36:52
control,
36:53
like,
36:53
all
36:53
of
36:53
New
36:54
York.
36:54
And
36:54
you're
36:55
like,
36:55
oh,
36:56
so
36:56
it's
36:56
fun
36:56
watching
36:56
this
36:57
because
36:57
I'm
36:57
like,
36:57
oh,
36:57
Daredevil
36:58
originally
36:58
was.
36:58
Mr.
36:59
Purple
36:59
was
37:00
Daredevil.
37:01
And
37:01
here
37:01
we
37:02
have
37:02
Kingpin
37:02
controlling
37:03
New
37:03
York
37:03
being
37:04
mayor.
37:04
And
37:04
it's
37:04
because
37:05
he
37:06
captured
37:06
Mr.
37:07
Purple.
37:07
And
37:07
now
37:07
I'm
37:08
like,
37:08
man,
37:09
all
37:09
these
37:09
characters
37:09
making
37:10
it
37:10
to
37:10
the
37:10
mcu.
37:11
I
37:11
gotta
37:11
say,
37:11
I
37:11
highly
37:12
doubt
37:12
this
37:12
happens.
37:13
But
37:13
if
37:13
I
37:13
see
37:14
David
37:14
Tennant
37:15
in
37:15
a
37:15
cage
37:16
somewhere
37:17
in,
37:17
like,
37:17
Kingpin's
37:18
office
37:18
in
37:18
one
37:18
of
37:18
these
37:19
episodes,
37:19
I
37:19
will
37:19
lose
37:20
my
37:20
ever
37:21
loving
37:21
mind.
37:22
Right,
37:23
right.
37:23
That
37:23
would
37:24
be
37:24
so.
37:24
Like,
37:24
that
37:24
would
37:24
be
37:24
too,
37:25
too
37:25
cool.
37:26
They
37:26
can't
37:26
do
37:26
that.
37:27
It
37:27
would
37:27
be
37:27
too
37:27
cool.
37:27
My
37:28
heart
37:28
would
37:28
get
37:28
out
37:28
and
37:29
everyone
37:29
would
37:29
be
37:29
sad.
37:32
But
37:32
okay,
37:33
so
37:33
as
37:33
Far
37:33
as,
37:33
like,
37:33
the
37:33
comics
37:34
go.
37:35
Yeah,
37:35
we
37:36
mentioned
37:36
some
37:36
of
37:36
the
37:36
connections
37:37
and
37:37
stuff
37:37
that
37:37
it
37:37
has.
37:38
Are
37:39
there
37:39
any,
37:39
like,
37:39
specific
37:40
panels
37:41
or
37:41
anything
37:41
that,
37:41
like,
37:42
parts
37:42
of
37:42
this
37:42
story
37:43
that
37:43
stood
37:43
out
37:43
from
37:44
the
37:44
comics
37:44
that
37:44
really.
37:46
Some
37:46
of
37:46
the
37:46
themes
37:47
that
37:47
we're
37:47
talking
37:47
about
37:48
here
37:48
for
37:48
you
37:48
guys,
37:49
you
37:49
know,
37:50
control,
37:50
abuse,
37:51
mental
37:51
health,
37:51
even.
37:52
What
37:53
stands
37:53
out.
37:53
Nick,
37:54
you
37:54
go
37:54
first.
37:54
We've
37:55
done
37:55
so
37:55
much
37:55
talking.
37:55
Nick
37:56
needs
37:56
to
37:56
talk.
37:57
I
37:58
think,
37:58
really
37:59
the
38:00
way
38:01
that
38:03
the
38:04
watching
38:04
part
38:05
that
38:05
he
38:05
makes
38:05
her
38:06
do
38:06
in
38:06
the
38:06
comics,
38:07
like
38:08
you
38:08
said
38:08
in
38:09
the
38:09
story
38:12
in
38:13
the
38:13
TV
38:13
show,
38:14
it's
38:14
more
38:14
explicit,
38:15
how
38:15
perverted
38:16
he
38:16
is.
38:18
Guess
38:18
it's
38:18
just
38:18
easier
38:19
to
38:19
interpret.
38:20
Whereas
38:20
in
38:21
the
38:21
Alias
38:22
stuff
38:22
is
38:22
just.
38:22
It's
38:23
just
38:23
very.
38:24
Just
38:24
like
38:24
any
38:25
written
38:25
material,
38:25
you
38:25
have
38:25
to,
38:26
like,
38:26
put
38:26
the
38:27
pieces
38:27
together.
38:28
And
38:29
the
38:29
way.
38:29
How
38:30
dark
38:30
it
38:30
is.
38:31
I
38:31
feel
38:31
like
38:31
the.
38:32
That
38:33
panel
38:34
specifically
38:36
explaining
38:37
that
38:37
was,
38:37
like,
38:37
dark,
38:38
dude.
38:38
Like,
38:39
I
38:39
was
38:39
like,
38:39
this
38:39
is
38:40
dark.
38:42
And
38:42
I
38:42
had
38:43
no
38:43
idea
38:43
what
38:43
the
38:43
Max
38:44
comic
38:44
run
38:45
was.
38:45
I
38:45
just
38:45
picked
38:45
up
38:46
Alias
38:47
and
38:47
then
38:47
did
38:47
research
38:48
later,
38:48
and
38:48
I
38:48
was
38:48
like,
38:49
okay,
38:50
that's
38:50
why
38:50
it's
38:51
so
38:51
freaking
38:51
dark.
38:53
And
38:53
I.
38:54
I
38:54
don't
38:54
think
38:54
it's
38:55
translated
38:56
as.
38:57
I
38:57
don't
38:57
think
38:57
the
38:57
darkness
38:58
is
38:58
translated
38:59
in
38:59
the
38:59
same
38:59
way
39:00
in
39:00
the
39:00
TV
39:00
show
39:01
because
39:02
they're
39:02
still
39:02
trying
39:03
to
39:03
keep,
39:03
like,
39:03
the
39:03
kind
39:03
of
39:04
quippy,
39:04
fun
39:05
MCU
39:06
type
39:06
of
39:07
banter
39:07
in
39:08
there
39:08
and
39:08
the
39:08
vibes.
39:10
But.
39:10
Yeah,
39:11
yeah,
39:11
yeah,
39:12
yeah.
39:12
It's
39:12
weird
39:12
how,
39:13
like,
39:14
the
39:14
rape
39:15
itself
39:15
is
39:16
less
39:16
explicit
39:16
in
39:17
the
39:17
comic,
39:17
and
39:17
yet
39:17
it's
39:17
darker.
39:18
I
39:18
think
39:18
a
39:18
lot
39:18
of
39:18
it
39:18
has
39:18
to
39:19
do
39:19
with,
39:19
like,
39:19
the
39:19
coloring,
39:20
because,
39:20
like,
39:21
in
39:21
comics,
39:21
you
39:21
could
39:22
see,
39:22
like,
39:22
the
39:23
one
39:23
guy
39:23
manipulates
39:23
hers
39:24
on
39:24
the
39:24
golf
39:24
course.
39:24
It's
39:25
all,
39:25
like,
39:25
the
39:25
brighter
39:25
colors.
39:26
And
39:26
you're
39:26
like,
39:26
okay,
39:27
this
39:27
is
39:27
like,
39:27
you
39:28
know,
39:28
that
39:28
prep
39:29
boy,
39:29
you
39:30
know,
39:30
he
39:30
was
39:30
definitely
39:30
in
39:30
a
39:30
fraternity.
39:31
Now
39:31
he's
39:31
in,
39:31
like,
39:31
a
39:32
golf
39:32
club.
39:32
And
39:32
you're
39:32
like,
39:33
okay,
39:33
this
39:34
is
39:34
that
39:34
kind
39:34
of
39:35
person.
39:35
And
39:35
then,
39:35
like,
39:36
you
39:36
see
39:36
the
39:36
really
39:36
dark
39:36
colors
39:37
here,
39:37
whereas
39:37
in
39:37
a
39:37
show
39:38
you're
39:39
filming,
39:39
you
39:39
know,
39:40
like,
39:40
you
39:40
can't.
39:41
You
39:41
can
39:41
do
39:41
some
39:42
stuff
39:42
to
39:42
make
39:42
it
39:42
darker,
39:42
but
39:43
you
39:43
don't
39:43
have
39:43
as
39:43
much
39:44
control
39:44
over
39:45
coloring
39:46
in
39:46
a
39:46
film
39:47
situation,
39:47
I
39:47
think,
39:48
as
39:48
you
39:48
do,
39:48
literally,
39:49
if
39:49
you're
39:49
just
39:49
drawing
39:50
it.
39:50
So
39:50
I
39:50
think
39:51
that's
39:51
all
39:51
that
39:51
kind
39:51
of.
39:52
That's
39:52
for
39:53
me,
39:53
that's
39:53
why
39:53
I
39:53
thought
39:53
that.
39:53
But
39:54
I
39:54
definitely
39:54
agree,
39:55
like,
39:55
it's
39:55
definitely
39:55
darker
39:56
and
39:56
yet
39:56
somehow
39:56
less
39:56
explicit.
39:57
You're
39:57
like,
39:58
huh?
39:59
Yeah,
40:00
yeah,
40:02
yeah.
40:03
I
40:03
mean,
40:03
I
40:03
think
40:03
when
40:03
you're
40:03
translating
40:04
from
40:04
book
40:04
to
40:04
film,
40:05
you're
40:05
like,
40:05
oh,
40:05
why
40:05
they
40:05
leave
40:06
that
40:06
part
40:06
out
40:06
of
40:07
the
40:07
film?
40:07
That's
40:07
my
40:07
favorite
40:08
part
40:08
of
40:08
the
40:08
book,
40:08
you
40:09
know,
40:09
and
40:09
the
40:09
same
40:09
way
40:09
with,
40:09
like,
40:10
graphic
40:10
novels,
40:10
you
40:10
have
40:10
the
40:11
storyboard
40:11
already
40:11
ready
40:11
for
40:11
it.
40:12
You
40:12
to
40:12
kind
40:12
of
40:12
go
40:12
off
40:12
and
40:13
go.
40:14
But
40:14
I
40:14
think
40:14
how,
40:15
you
40:15
know,
40:15
the
40:15
use
40:15
of
40:16
art
40:16
and
40:16
shadows
40:17
and
40:17
just
40:18
the
40:18
darkness
40:18
of
40:18
the
40:18
art
40:19
using
40:20
dark
40:20
colors
40:20
and
40:20
shadows,
40:21
it
40:21
really
40:21
is
40:21
kind
40:22
of
40:23
where
40:24
Bendis
40:24
thrives.
40:25
You
40:25
know,
40:25
the
40:25
talking,
40:26
the
40:27
panel
40:27
to
40:27
panel,
40:28
the
40:28
turning
40:28
the
40:28
page,
40:29
the
40:29
cliffhangers.
40:30
And
40:30
there
40:30
wasn't
40:30
one
40:30
specific
40:31
panel
40:31
that
40:32
kind
40:32
of
40:32
stood
40:32
out
40:32
for
40:32
me
40:32
other
40:33
than
40:33
just
40:33
kind
40:33
of.
40:33
You
40:34
see
40:34
their
40:34
facial
40:34
expressions,
40:35
you
40:35
feel
40:36
the
40:36
emotion
40:36
coming
40:36
out
40:37
of
40:37
the
40:37
page,
40:37
and.
40:37
And,
40:38
yeah,
40:38
this
40:38
is
40:38
serious
40:39
stuff.
40:39
And
40:40
you
40:40
kind
40:40
of
40:40
feel
40:40
sorry
40:41
for
40:41
Kilgrave
40:41
because
40:42
he's
40:42
looking
40:43
for
40:43
something.
40:43
Does
40:44
he
40:44
know
40:44
whether
40:44
people
40:45
really
40:45
like
40:45
him
40:45
for
40:45
who
40:45
he
40:45
is
40:46
or
40:46
not?
40:46
Or
40:46
he's
40:46
just
40:46
controlling
40:46
them?
40:47
He's
40:47
looking
40:47
for
40:47
authentic
40:48
love
40:49
and
40:50
connection,
40:50
but
40:51
he
40:52
can't
40:52
resist
40:53
using
40:54
his
40:54
power
40:54
to
40:54
control
40:55
others,
40:55
to
40:55
get
40:55
what
40:55
he
40:56
really
40:56
wants.
40:56
And
40:56
it's
40:56
a
40:57
vicious
40:57
cycle.
40:59
And
40:59
that's
40:59
kind
41:00
of
41:00
what's
41:00
at
41:00
the
41:00
heart
41:01
of.
41:01
Behind
41:01
this
41:01
entire
41:02
episode,
41:02
that
41:02
we're
41:02
talking
41:02
about
41:03
what
41:03
we're
41:04
all
41:04
longing
41:04
for
41:04
and
41:04
wishing
41:05
we
41:05
could
41:05
have.
41:06
Yeah.
41:06
Yeah.
41:07
And
41:07
I
41:07
think
41:07
that's
41:07
part
41:07
of
41:08
what's
41:08
interesting,
41:08
too,
41:08
I
41:09
think
41:09
in
41:09
comics
41:09
and
41:10
in
41:10
the
41:10
show.
41:10
Like,
41:10
he
41:11
doesn't
41:11
necessarily
41:11
say,
41:12
okay,
41:12
now
41:12
I'm
41:13
using
41:13
my
41:13
power
41:13
to
41:13
control
41:14
you,
41:14
and
41:14
now
41:14
I'm
41:14
just
41:15
talking
41:15
to
41:15
you
41:15
and
41:15
not
41:15
using
41:15
it.
41:16
It's
41:16
like,
41:16
no,
41:16
no,
41:16
no.
41:16
If
41:16
he
41:17
words
41:17
us
41:17
into
41:17
a
41:18
certain
41:18
way,
41:18
you
41:18
just
41:18
have
41:18
to
41:18
do
41:19
it.
41:19
And,
41:19
like,
41:20
for
41:20
him,
41:20
he's
41:21
always
41:21
having
41:21
to
41:22
think
41:22
about
41:22
it.
41:22
And
41:23
I
41:23
think
41:23
that
41:23
gets
41:23
brought
41:24
out
41:24
a
41:24
little
41:24
bit
41:24
more
41:24
in
41:24
the
41:24
show,
41:24
so
41:24
I'll
41:25
talk
41:25
more
41:25
about
41:25
that
41:25
later.
41:26
But
41:26
one
41:27
of
41:27
the
41:27
things
41:27
that
41:27
stood
41:27
out
41:27
with
41:27
me,
41:28
the
41:28
comic
41:29
rereading
41:29
it
41:30
this
41:30
time,
41:30
I
41:30
don't
41:30
think
41:30
I
41:30
noticed
41:30
it
41:31
the
41:31
first
41:31
time,
41:31
but
41:31
having
41:31
gone
41:32
through
41:32
some
41:32
deconstruction
41:32
and
41:33
met
41:33
a
41:33
lot
41:33
of
41:33
people
41:33
who've
41:34
been
41:34
hurt
41:34
by
41:34
the
41:34
church,
41:35
I'm
41:35
reading
41:35
this
41:36
going,
41:37
holy
41:37
shit.
41:38
This
41:39
is
41:39
what
41:39
people
41:39
go
41:40
through.
41:40
You
41:40
see
41:40
pastors
41:41
who
41:41
manipulated
41:42
you.
41:42
And
41:43
sometimes
41:43
even
41:43
there
41:43
are
41:44
situations
41:44
where
41:44
it
41:44
was
41:45
raped,
41:45
but
41:45
it
41:45
wasn't
41:45
forced
41:46
upon
41:46
you.
41:46
Because
41:47
their
41:47
control,
41:48
their
41:48
position
41:48
of
41:48
power,
41:48
all
41:49
this
41:49
kind
41:49
of
41:49
stuff
41:49
happened.
41:49
And
41:49
you
41:50
feel
41:50
like
41:50
you
41:50
should
41:50
do
41:50
these
41:50
things.
41:51
And
41:51
you're
41:51
like,
41:52
oh.
41:53
Looking
41:53
back
41:53
on
41:53
it,
41:54
you're
41:54
like,
41:54
oh,
41:54
that's
41:54
what
41:54
happened
41:55
to
41:55
me.
41:55
Even
41:55
myself,
41:56
nothing
41:56
explicit
41:57
like
41:57
that
41:57
happened
41:57
to
41:57
me.
41:57
But
41:58
I
41:58
look
41:58
back
41:58
and
41:58
I'm
41:58
like,
41:59
I
41:59
taught
41:59
stuff
41:59
I
41:59
didn't
41:59
agree
42:00
with.
42:00
I
42:00
did
42:00
certain
42:00
Things
42:01
that
42:01
I'm,
42:01
like,
42:01
not
42:02
really
42:02
proud
42:02
of.
42:02
And
42:02
it's
42:03
because,
42:03
like,
42:03
I
42:03
looked
42:03
back
42:03
and
42:03
I
42:03
was
42:03
like,
42:04
because
42:04
people
42:04
who
42:04
are
42:04
my
42:05
pastor
42:05
told
42:05
me
42:05
that
42:05
that
42:06
was
42:06
okay
42:06
and
42:06
that's
42:06
what
42:06
we
42:06
should
42:07
be
42:07
doing,
42:07
right?
42:07
And
42:07
then,
42:08
like,
42:08
I'm
42:08
like,
42:08
looking
42:09
back
42:09
on
42:09
it
42:09
going,
42:10
oh,
42:11
I
42:11
was
42:11
being
42:12
controlled
42:12
but
42:12
didn't
42:13
know
42:13
it
42:13
because
42:13
they.
42:14
Their
42:14
position
42:15
of
42:15
authority.
42:15
And
42:16
you
42:16
see
42:16
some
42:16
really
42:16
clear
42:17
parallels
42:17
with
42:17
that.
42:18
I
42:18
don't
42:18
think
42:18
that's
42:18
what
42:19
the
42:19
intention
42:19
was
42:20
with
42:20
the
42:20
comic.
42:20
Like,
42:20
I
42:20
don't
42:20
think
42:20
Bendis
42:21
has
42:21
any
42:21
religious
42:22
trauma
42:22
that
42:22
I'm
42:22
aware
42:22
of.
42:23
But
42:23
it's
42:23
hard
42:24
not
42:25
reading
42:25
this
42:25
and
42:25
not
42:26
seeing
42:26
that
42:26
in
42:26
our
42:27
current
42:27
world,
42:27
like,
42:27
reading
42:28
it
42:28
through
42:28
the
42:28
lens
42:29
of
42:29
the
42:29
world
42:29
we
42:29
live
42:29
in.
42:30
And
42:31
then,
42:31
like,
42:31
all
42:31
of
42:31
her,
42:32
like,
42:33
not,
42:33
like,
42:33
it's
42:33
not
42:34
like
42:34
she
42:34
despises
42:35
superheroes,
42:35
but,
42:35
like,
42:35
that
42:36
trauma
42:36
makes
42:36
her
42:36
not
42:36
wanting
42:37
to
42:37
connect
42:37
with
42:37
these
42:37
other
42:37
superhero
42:38
groups,
42:38
to
42:38
not
42:39
be
42:39
part
42:39
of
42:39
the
42:39
Avengers
42:39
and
42:40
other
42:40
storylines,
42:40
all
42:40
this
42:40
other
42:41
kind
42:41
of
42:41
stuff.
42:41
And
42:41
I'm
42:41
looking
42:41
at
42:41
it
42:42
going,
42:42
oh,
42:43
no.
42:43
I
42:43
get
42:43
that,
42:43
like,
42:43
sometimes
42:44
it
42:44
is,
42:44
like,
42:45
if
42:45
it
42:45
wasn't
42:46
for,
42:46
like,
42:46
how
42:46
different
42:47
the
42:47
Lutheran
42:48
Church
42:48
feels,
42:48
I'm
42:48
not
42:49
sure
42:49
I
42:49
would
42:49
want
42:49
to
42:49
go,
42:50
you
42:50
know,
42:51
like
42:52
theology,
42:52
beer
42:52
camp.
42:53
That
42:53
something
42:53
we're
42:53
all
42:54
a
42:54
part
42:54
of.
42:54
Like,
42:54
that's
42:54
that
42:54
for
42:55
a
42:55
lot
42:55
of
42:55
people.
42:55
We're
42:55
like,
42:56
we
42:56
still
42:56
want
42:56
that
42:56
community.
42:57
But
42:57
going
42:57
into
42:57
a
42:57
church
42:58
is
42:58
really
42:58
hard
42:59
for
42:59
a
42:59
lot
42:59
of
42:59
people
43:00
because
43:00
of
43:01
some
43:01
traumas
43:01
and
43:01
stuff
43:01
like
43:01
that.
43:02
So
43:02
I
43:02
think
43:02
you
43:02
see
43:02
a
43:02
lot
43:03
more
43:03
of
43:03
that
43:03
in
43:03
the
43:03
comic
43:04
where
43:04
she's
43:05
just
43:05
a
43:05
lot
43:05
more
43:05
hesitant
43:06
to
43:06
approach
43:06
superheroes
43:07
because
43:08
of
43:08
some
43:09
of
43:09
the
43:09
other
43:09
stuff
43:09
she's
43:09
gone
43:09
through.
44:01
The
44:01
trauma
44:01
that
44:01
she
44:01
holds
44:02
with
43:11
that.
44:02
Well,
44:02
it
44:03
also
44:03
mirrors
44:03
thinking
44:04
about
44:04
when
44:04
this
44:04
debuted,
44:05
the
44:05
early
44:05
2000s,
44:06
post
44:07
9
44:07
11,
44:08
2001.
44:08
There's
44:08
a
44:08
lot
44:09
of
44:09
distrust
44:09
in
44:09
institutions
44:11
and
44:11
authority
44:12
and
44:12
religion
44:12
as
44:12
a
44:13
itself
44:13
as
44:14
being.
44:14
Okay,
44:15
there's
44:15
a
44:15
step
44:16
back
44:16
to
44:16
say,
44:16
all
44:16
right,
44:17
let's
44:17
re
44:17
examine
44:17
what
44:18
this
44:18
is
44:18
and
44:18
let's
44:19
deconstruct
44:19
and
44:19
reconstruct
44:20
it.
44:20
And
44:20
the
44:20
same
44:20
thing
44:21
has
44:21
happened
44:21
within
44:21
superheroes
44:22
and
44:22
institutions.
44:23
So
44:23
whether
44:23
it's
44:24
post
44:24
Dark
44:24
Knight
44:25
Returns
44:26
or
44:26
Watchmen,
44:27
then
44:27
you
44:28
have
44:28
the
44:28
early
44:28
2000s,
44:29
and
44:29
you
44:29
have
44:29
these
44:30
deconstruction
44:30
of
44:31
superheroes,
44:31
more
44:32
gritty
44:33
superhero
44:34
stories
44:34
about
44:35
the
44:35
institution
44:35
of
44:36
the
44:36
team
44:36
and
44:36
what
44:36
superheroes
44:37
are
44:37
experiencing.
44:37
And
44:37
who's
44:38
the.
44:38
You
44:38
have
44:38
Civil
44:39
War.
44:39
Who's
44:39
the
44:39
villain?
44:40
Who's
44:40
the
44:40
hero?
44:41
We
44:41
don't
44:41
know.
44:41
It's
44:41
all
44:41
blurred.
44:42
And
44:42
Bendis
44:43
is
44:43
tapping
44:43
into
44:44
that.
44:44
This
44:44
kind
44:44
of
44:44
early
44:45
2000s
44:46
deconstruction
44:47
of
44:47
all
44:47
things.
44:48
And
44:48
so
44:48
the
44:48
church
44:48
was
44:49
a
44:49
part
44:49
of
44:49
that.
44:49
You
44:49
had
44:49
the
44:49
emergent
44:50
church
44:50
emerging
44:50
around
44:51
that
44:51
time.
44:51
Because
44:51
people
44:51
are
44:52
second
44:52
guessing
44:53
a
44:53
lot
44:53
of
44:53
things
44:53
that
44:53
are
44:54
just
44:54
being
44:54
taught
44:54
to
44:55
them
44:55
with
44:55
their
44:55
kids.
44:56
And
44:56
so
44:56
I
44:56
think
44:57
this
44:57
goes
44:58
right
44:58
along.
45:00
Art
45:00
imitating
45:01
life.
45:01
Life
45:01
imitating
45:01
art
45:02
is
45:02
right
45:02
there
45:03
entangled
45:03
with
45:03
each
45:03
other.
45:04
If
45:04
you
45:04
get
45:04
to
45:04
say.
45:05
If
45:05
you
45:05
get
45:05
to
45:05
say
45:05
Kingdom
45:06
hearts
45:06
a
45:06
lot.
45:06
I
45:06
can
45:06
say
45:07
entangled
45:07
a
45:07
lot.
45:08
They're
45:08
entangled.
45:10
Well.
45:10
And
45:11
if
45:11
you
45:11
want
45:11
to
45:11
know
45:11
what
45:11
this
45:11
comic
45:12
said,
45:12
we
45:12
talk
45:13
about
45:13
explicit.
45:13
And
45:14
I
45:14
think
45:14
if
45:14
you.
45:16
I
45:17
don't
45:17
swear.
45:17
I
45:17
feel
45:17
like
45:17
I
45:18
don't
45:18
swear
45:18
a
45:18
lot.
45:18
But
45:19
one
45:19
of
45:19
the
45:19
things
45:19
I
45:19
think
45:20
that
45:20
this
45:20
comic.
45:20
And
45:20
it's
45:21
one
45:21
of
45:21
those
45:21
things
45:21
you
45:21
could
45:21
just
45:21
do
45:21
in
45:22
literature
45:22
that
45:22
it's
45:22
harder
45:23
to
45:23
do
45:23
in
45:23
a
45:23
show
45:23
that
45:23
it
45:24
does
45:24
really
45:24
well.
45:25
It's
45:25
like
45:25
when
45:25
you
45:25
look
45:26
at
45:26
the
45:26
kind
45:26
of
45:26
trauma
45:26
she
45:27
faced,
45:27
not
45:27
just
45:28
sexual,
45:28
but
45:28
also
45:28
with
45:29
the
45:29
superhero
45:29
community,
45:30
all
45:30
this
45:30
other
45:30
stuff,
45:30
the
45:30
fact
45:30
that
45:31
the
45:32
first
45:32
volume,
45:32
the
45:33
very
45:33
first
45:33
word.
45:34
And
45:34
like,
45:34
if
45:34
you're
45:34
doing
45:34
it
45:35
by
45:35
graphic
45:35
novel,
45:35
that
45:36
first,
45:36
like,
45:36
arc
45:36
of
45:37
the
45:37
story,
45:37
the
45:37
last
45:38
word
45:38
of
45:38
that
45:38
first
45:39
arc
45:39
is
45:40
the
45:40
same
45:40
as
45:40
the
45:40
first
45:40
word.
45:41
And
45:41
it
45:41
expresses
45:42
perfectly.
45:42
It's
45:42
just
45:42
fuck.
45:43
And
45:43
like,
45:43
I
45:44
feel
45:44
like
45:44
you
45:45
feel
45:45
it
45:45
from
45:45
the
45:45
depths
45:45
of
45:46
her
45:46
soul
45:46
when
45:46
you
45:46
read
45:47
that.
45:47
And
45:47
I'm
45:47
like,
45:47
yeah,
45:48
that's
45:48
just
45:48
how
45:48
so
45:48
many
45:49
people
45:49
feel.
45:49
And
45:50
I
45:50
think
45:50
it
45:50
was
45:50
used
45:50
well
45:51
here.
45:52
Nick,
45:54
you
45:54
were
45:54
gonna
45:54
say
45:55
something.
45:55
I
45:55
don't
45:55
know
45:55
what
45:55
it
45:55
was.
45:56
I'm
45:56
trying
45:56
to
45:56
transition
45:56
into
45:57
it,
45:57
though.
45:58
No,
45:58
I
45:59
kind
45:59
of
45:59
just
45:59
piggyback
46:00
on
46:00
what
46:00
y'all
46:00
said
46:01
of
46:01
just
46:01
like
46:01
the
46:02
implicit
46:03
skepticism
46:04
of
46:05
just
46:05
authority
46:05
in
46:06
general
46:06
as
46:06
well.
46:06
Kind
46:07
of
46:07
talked
46:07
about,
46:07
but
46:07
just
46:07
more
46:08
of
46:08
like,
46:08
how
46:09
authority
46:09
was
46:10
generally
46:11
identity
46:11
based.
46:12
Right?
46:12
Where
46:13
it
46:13
was
46:13
like,
46:13
oh,
46:13
it
46:13
didn't
46:13
matter
46:14
to
46:15
a
46:15
certain
46:15
extent
46:16
what
46:16
the
46:17
quality
46:17
of
46:17
the
46:17
authority
46:18
was
46:19
for
46:19
a
46:19
long
46:19
time,
46:20
but
46:20
what
46:20
was
46:20
the
46:20
identity
46:21
of
46:21
it?
46:21
American
46:21
authority,
46:22
obviously
46:22
is
46:22
the
46:22
best
46:23
authority.
46:23
The
46:23
church
46:23
authority
46:24
is
46:24
the
46:24
best
46:24
authority.
46:25
Right.
46:25
Lesser
46:26
than,
46:26
less
46:26
than
46:27
the
46:27
actual
46:28
quality
46:28
behind
46:28
it.
46:29
And
46:29
then
46:29
what
46:29
you
46:29
were
46:29
saying,
46:30
Josh,
46:30
too,
46:30
about.
46:30
I
46:31
think
46:31
the
46:31
show
46:31
does,
46:32
like
46:32
you
46:32
said,
46:32
there's
46:33
less
46:33
hesitancy
46:34
towards,
46:34
like,
46:34
team
46:35
up,
46:35
I
46:35
guess,
46:35
maybe
46:35
than
46:36
in
46:36
the
46:36
comics.
46:37
But
46:37
I
46:37
think
46:37
we
46:37
really
46:38
see
46:38
in
46:38
the
46:39
show
46:39
this
46:40
hesitancy
46:41
for
46:41
Jessica
46:42
to
46:42
get
46:42
into
46:43
superhero
46:43
work,
46:44
because
46:45
the
46:45
main
46:47
experience
46:47
of
46:48
power
46:48
dynamics
46:49
that
46:49
she
46:49
has
46:50
is
46:50
through
46:50
abuse.
46:51
And
46:52
whenever
46:52
she
46:52
exercises
46:53
her
46:53
powers,
46:54
she
46:54
gets
46:55
this
46:55
close
46:55
to
46:56
hurting
46:56
innocent
46:56
people.
46:57
And
46:57
I
46:57
think
46:57
that's
46:58
also
46:58
part
46:58
of
46:58
the
46:58
hesitancy
47:00
where,
47:00
like,
47:01
power
47:02
is
47:02
generally
47:02
patriarchal.
47:04
Right.
47:04
In
47:04
Our
47:04
societies
47:05
for
47:05
the
47:05
past
47:06
forever.
47:07
And
47:07
now
47:08
we're
47:08
seeing
47:09
power
47:09
being
47:10
explored
47:11
through
47:12
a
47:12
woman
47:12
character.
47:13
And
47:13
what
47:13
does
47:13
that
47:13
look
47:14
like?
47:14
Yeah,
47:16
well,
47:16
man,
47:16
good
47:17
stuff.
47:18
I
47:18
think
47:18
we've
47:18
talked
47:18
some
47:19
about
47:19
the
47:19
show
47:19
already.
47:19
We're
47:20
going
47:20
to
47:20
rehash
47:20
some
47:20
of
47:20
this
47:20
because
47:21
I
47:21
do
47:21
want
47:21
to
47:21
focus
47:21
a
47:22
little
47:22
bit
47:22
on
47:22
what
47:22
is
47:22
said
47:23
in
47:23
the
47:23
show
47:23
that's
47:23
different.
47:24
So
47:24
throw
47:24
it
47:25
to
47:25
you
47:25
guys.
47:25
What
47:25
differences
47:26
did
47:27
you
47:27
guys
47:27
notice
47:28
in
47:28
the
47:28
show
47:29
having
47:29
watched
47:29
it
47:29
that
47:30
maybe
47:30
wasn't
47:30
in
47:31
the
47:31
comic
47:31
or
47:31
wasn't.
47:32
You
47:32
know,
47:32
we
47:32
talked
47:33
some
47:33
about
47:33
already
47:33
what
47:33
was
47:34
kind
47:34
of
47:34
emphasized
47:34
differently.
47:35
But
47:35
yeah,
47:36
what
47:36
do
47:36
you
47:36
guys
47:36
think
47:36
about
47:37
the
47:37
show?
47:38
I
47:38
think
47:38
the
47:39
death
47:39
of
47:39
Kilgrave
47:40
in
47:40
the
47:40
show
47:41
just
47:41
seems
47:42
to
47:42
be
47:42
more
47:42
like.
47:43
I
47:43
don't
47:43
know,
47:44
you
47:44
just.
47:44
I
47:44
feel.
47:45
I
47:45
felt
47:45
like
47:46
more
47:46
excited
47:47
about
47:47
that,
47:48
which
47:48
obviously
47:49
in
47:49
the
47:49
other
47:49
comics
47:50
and
47:50
you
47:51
know,
47:51
for
47:52
not
47:52
split
47:52
spoiling
47:53
later
47:54
stuff
47:54
in
47:54
the
47:55
Devil's
47:55
Reign
47:56
or
47:56
whatever,
47:57
but,
47:58
you
47:58
know,
47:59
what
47:59
happens
47:59
to
47:59
go
47:59
grave
48:00
in
48:00
the
48:00
show
48:00
is
48:00
obviously
48:01
different.
48:03
And
48:04
I
48:04
think
48:04
the
48:04
overall
48:05
vibes
48:05
that
48:05
we
48:05
feel
48:05
from
48:06
the
48:06
show
48:06
are
48:06
different
48:06
too.
48:07
Yeah,
48:07
well,
48:08
and
48:08
it's
48:08
kind
48:08
of
48:08
cool
48:09
as
48:09
much
48:09
as,
48:09
you
48:10
know,
48:10
I
48:10
kind
48:10
of
48:10
hope
48:10
now
48:10
that
48:10
it's
48:11
in
48:11
the
48:11
technically
48:12
is
48:12
in
48:12
the
48:12
mcu
48:13
that
48:13
maybe
48:13
they'll,
48:13
you
48:13
know,
48:14
do
48:14
some.
48:14
Some
48:14
weird.
48:15
Like
48:15
this
48:15
didn't
48:15
really
48:16
happen
48:16
kind
48:16
of
48:16
stuff
48:16
because
48:17
I
48:17
want
48:17
more
48:17
deep
48:18
tendon
48:18
in
48:18
my
48:18
life.
48:19
But
48:19
what
48:19
was
48:19
cool
48:20
about
48:20
having
48:20
him
48:20
die
48:20
in
48:21
the
48:21
show
48:21
was
48:21
in
48:21
later
48:22
seasons,
48:23
you
48:23
see
48:23
him
48:23
like,
48:24
you
48:24
see
48:24
that
48:24
post
48:25
trauma,
48:25
like
48:25
what
48:25
happens
48:26
post
48:26
trauma
48:26
where
48:26
like,
48:26
even
48:27
though
48:27
he's
48:27
dead,
48:28
he's
48:28
not
48:28
really
48:28
out
48:29
of
48:29
her
48:29
life.
48:30
So
48:31
I
48:31
liked
48:31
how
48:31
they
48:31
did
48:32
that
48:32
as
48:32
well.
48:33
Will,
48:33
did
48:33
you
48:33
have
48:33
any
48:33
thoughts
48:34
specifically
48:34
on
48:34
the
48:34
show,
48:34
part
48:35
of
48:35
this?
48:35
No,
48:35
just
48:36
as
48:36
it's
48:37
more
48:37
compressed.
48:37
I
48:38
mean,
48:38
I
48:38
think
48:38
you
48:38
read
48:38
the
48:38
graphic
48:39
novels,
48:39
it
48:39
takes
48:39
you
48:39
a
48:39
while
48:40
to
48:40
get
48:40
to
48:40
Killgrave
48:41
in
48:41
that
48:41
storyline.
48:41
But
48:41
that's
48:42
the
48:42
first
48:42
one
48:42
they
48:42
do
48:42
in
48:42
season
48:43
one
48:43
because
48:43
that's
48:44
the
48:44
most.
48:44
The
48:44
one
48:45
that
48:45
you
48:45
can
48:45
pull
48:45
in
48:45
most
48:45
things.
48:46
And
48:46
as
48:46
we
48:46
talked
48:46
about,
48:46
like
48:47
you
48:47
had
48:47
the
48:47
mcu,
48:48
but
48:48
the
48:48
Netflix
48:49
before
48:49
there
48:49
was
48:49
Disney
48:50
plus
48:50
and
48:50
streaming,
48:50
you
48:51
had
48:51
Netflix
48:51
at
48:51
these
48:52
kind
48:52
of
48:52
street
48:52
level.
48:55
Street
48:55
level
48:56
superheroes
48:57
like
48:58
Daredevil,
48:59
Jessica
49:00
Jones,
49:00
Luke
49:00
Cage,
49:01
Iron
49:01
Fist
49:01
Defenders,
49:02
they
49:02
are
49:02
on
49:03
the
49:03
street.
49:03
Not
49:03
this
49:03
big
49:04
cosmic
49:04
battle.
49:04
And
49:06
so,
49:07
yeah,
49:07
I
49:07
like
49:07
that
49:08
they
49:08
took
49:08
their
49:08
time
49:08
with
49:09
her
49:09
relationships
49:10
and
49:10
what
49:11
she's
49:11
investigating
49:12
and
49:12
what
49:12
she's
49:12
doing
49:13
leading
49:13
to
49:13
her
49:14
to
49:14
that
49:14
trauma.
49:15
And,
49:15
you
49:15
know,
49:15
if
49:15
he.
49:16
If
49:16
he
49:16
can't
49:16
learn
49:17
the
49:17
only.
49:18
And
49:18
there's
49:18
a.
49:18
There's
49:19
a
49:19
trolley
49:20
question
49:20
right
49:20
The.
49:20
The
49:21
trolley
49:21
problem
49:22
is,
49:22
is
49:23
the
49:23
only
49:23
way
49:23
you
49:23
can
49:23
stop
49:24
him
49:24
is
49:24
killing
49:24
him
49:25
because
49:25
he's
49:26
going
49:26
to
49:26
keep
49:26
manipulating
49:26
and
49:27
do
49:27
it
49:27
like
49:27
the.
49:27
If
49:27
you
49:28
have
49:28
to
49:28
take
49:28
him
49:28
out,
49:28
if
49:28
you're
49:29
against
49:29
killing
49:29
a
49:29
life,
49:29
but
49:30
then
49:30
what
49:31
are
49:31
you
49:31
going
49:31
to
49:31
do?
49:31
You're
49:31
faced
49:32
with
49:32
that
49:32
question.
49:32
Just.
49:32
Just
49:33
break
49:33
his
49:33
neck.
49:33
Stop.
49:34
Stop
49:34
his
49:34
mind.
49:35
Mind
49:35
control
49:36
over
49:36
you.
49:36
You
49:36
got
49:37
it.
49:37
You
49:37
got
49:37
to
49:37
take
49:37
him
49:37
out.
49:38
Yeah,
49:40
yeah.
49:40
No,
49:40
the
49:40
show
49:41
was
49:41
deep.
49:41
It
49:41
was
49:42
hard.
49:42
The
49:42
Netflix
49:43
shows,
49:43
all
49:43
of
49:44
them
49:44
were
49:44
very
49:44
much
49:45
like
49:45
the
49:45
Max
49:45
comics.
49:46
I
49:46
feel
49:46
like
49:46
it's
49:46
like
49:47
we
49:47
knew
49:47
these
49:47
were
49:47
explicit.
49:48
That's
49:48
kind
49:48
of
49:48
part
49:48
of
49:48
the
49:48
point,
49:49
was
49:49
to
49:49
tell
49:49
these
49:49
darker
49:50
stories.
49:50
And
49:51
I
49:51
think
49:51
he
49:51
did
49:51
a
49:51
really
49:51
good
49:51
job
49:51
with
49:52
that.
49:52
One
49:52
thing
49:52
I
49:52
did
49:53
notice,
49:53
I
49:53
mentioned
49:54
how
49:54
in
49:54
the
49:54
comics
49:55
it
49:55
kind
49:55
of
49:55
leaned
49:56
more
49:56
into
49:56
her
49:56
trauma
49:57
around
49:57
superhero
49:58
teams
49:58
and
49:58
just
49:58
team
49:59
ups
49:59
in
49:59
general.
50:00
The
50:00
show,
50:00
I
50:00
really
50:01
feel
50:01
like,
50:01
leans
50:01
further
50:01
into
50:02
her
50:02
personal
50:02
trauma,
50:03
like
50:03
how
50:03
it
50:03
personally
50:04
affects
50:04
her
50:04
in
50:05
her
50:05
relationships,
50:05
in
50:05
her
50:06
mind,
50:06
and
50:06
just
50:06
like.
50:06
Like
50:07
existing,
50:08
you
50:08
know,
50:09
and
50:10
like
50:10
even
50:10
questioning
50:11
her
50:11
own
50:11
choices.
50:12
Like,
50:12
am
50:12
I
50:13
doing
50:13
this
50:13
because
50:13
he's
50:13
telling
50:14
me?
50:14
Am
50:14
I
50:14
doing
50:14
this
50:14
because
50:14
I
50:14
want
50:15
it?
50:15
Like.
50:15
Like
50:15
all
50:15
that
50:15
kind
50:15
of
50:16
stuff
50:16
is
50:16
a
50:16
little
50:16
bit
50:16
more
50:16
prevalent
50:17
in
50:17
the
50:17
show
50:19
and
50:19
I
50:19
feel
50:19
like
50:19
it
50:20
makes
50:20
it
50:20
harder
50:20
to
50:20
watch
50:21
in
50:21
some
50:21
places.
50:22
Like.
50:22
Like,
50:22
this
50:23
is
50:23
not
50:23
a
50:23
bingeable
50:24
series,
50:24
I
50:24
feel
50:24
like,
50:25
for
50:25
me,
50:25
anyway.
50:26
Yeah,
50:28
it's
50:28
heavy.
50:28
It's
50:29
existentially
50:29
very
50:30
heavy.
50:30
Yeah.
50:31
Oh,
50:31
yeah,
50:31
for
50:32
sure.
50:32
Well,
50:32
I
50:32
want
50:32
to
50:32
talk
50:32
about
50:33
specific
50:33
scenes
50:33
in
50:34
this
50:34
that
50:34
stood
50:34
out
50:34
to
50:34
us.
50:35
And
50:35
this
50:35
is
50:35
part
50:36
of
50:36
what
50:36
made
50:36
me
50:36
think
50:36
this
50:37
would
50:37
be
50:37
great
50:37
for
50:37
the
50:37
omnipotence.
50:39
And
50:39
I
50:39
want
50:39
to
50:39
give
50:39
you
50:40
guys
50:40
a
50:40
chance
50:40
if
50:40
any
50:40
theme
50:41
stood
50:41
out
50:41
to
50:41
you.
50:41
But
50:41
for
50:42
me,
50:42
the
50:42
one
50:42
that
50:42
stood
50:42
out
50:42
to
50:42
me
50:43
was
50:43
the
50:43
one
50:43
episode
50:44
where
50:45
he
50:45
basically
50:45
sends
50:46
out
50:46
an
50:46
invitation
50:46
and
50:46
Jessica
50:47
Jones
50:47
was
50:47
like,
50:48
okay.
50:49
And
50:49
she
50:49
goes
50:49
to
50:49
stay
50:50
with
50:50
him
50:50
in
50:50
the
50:50
house.
50:50
And
50:50
he's
50:51
trying
50:51
to
50:51
prove
50:51
that
50:51
he
50:51
can
50:52
be
50:52
better,
50:52
that
50:52
he's
50:52
not
50:53
what
50:53
she
50:53
thinks
50:53
he
50:53
is.
50:53
All
50:54
this
50:54
kind
50:54
of
50:54
stuff.
50:55
And
50:55
he
50:56
does
50:56
kind
50:56
of
50:56
a
50:56
terrible
50:56
job
50:56
at
50:57
it
50:57
because
50:57
what's
50:58
revealed
50:58
is
50:58
like,
50:59
he
50:59
literally
50:59
doesn't
51:00
know,
51:00
like,
51:00
if
51:00
people
51:01
are
51:01
doing
51:01
stuff
51:01
because
51:02
he's
51:02
telling
51:02
them
51:03
or
51:03
because
51:03
they
51:03
want
51:04
to
51:04
do
51:04
it,
51:04
because
51:05
he
51:05
doesn't
51:05
really
51:05
have
51:05
control
51:06
over
51:06
his
51:06
ability
51:07
to
51:07
control.
51:08
And
51:09
so
51:09
you
51:09
have
51:09
that
51:10
little
51:10
bit
51:10
of
51:10
a
51:10
paradox
51:10
there
51:11
in
51:11
what
51:11
happens
51:12
to
51:12
his
51:12
own
51:12
mind,
51:13
like
51:13
how
51:13
warped
51:14
that
51:14
makes
51:15
your
51:15
mentality
51:15
when
51:15
you
51:16
never
51:16
know
51:16
if
51:16
someone
51:16
actually
51:17
loves
51:17
you
51:17
or
51:17
not,
51:18
and
51:18
how
51:18
having
51:19
that
51:19
kind
51:19
of
51:19
control
51:20
causes
51:20
him
51:21
to
51:21
treat
51:21
humans
51:21
as,
51:22
like,
51:22
Just
51:23
basically
51:23
just
51:23
stuff.
51:24
Because,
51:25
like,
51:25
for
51:25
him,
51:25
there's
51:25
not
51:26
really
51:26
any
51:26
ever
51:27
true
51:27
relationship.
51:29
So
51:29
I
51:29
think
51:29
that
51:29
just
51:29
kind
51:29
of
51:29
dehumanizes
51:30
everyone.
51:31
And
51:31
yeah,
51:32
it
51:32
makes
51:32
you
51:33
like,
51:33
man,
51:33
this
51:33
guy
51:33
is
51:33
terrible.
51:34
But,
51:34
like,
51:35
is
51:35
it
51:35
his
51:35
fault
51:36
that
51:36
he's
51:36
terrible?
51:36
That
51:36
episode
51:37
for
51:37
me
51:37
really
51:37
stood
51:37
out.
51:37
Was
51:38
there
51:38
anything
51:38
for
51:38
you
51:38
guys
51:39
in
51:39
this
51:39
first
51:40
season
51:40
that.
51:40
Where
51:40
you
51:40
were
51:41
like,
51:41
that's
51:41
the
51:41
scene.
51:42
That's
51:42
the
51:42
story
51:42
that
51:42
really
51:43
stood
51:43
out
51:43
to
51:43
me.
51:44
Let's
51:45
see
51:45
the
51:45
stuff
51:46
that
51:46
stood
51:46
out.
51:47
I
51:48
don't
51:48
know.
51:48
I
51:48
kind
51:48
of
51:48
just
51:48
want
51:49
to
51:49
pick
51:49
up
51:49
where
51:49
you
51:49
put
51:51
said
51:51
Josh,
51:52
just
51:52
because
51:52
that
51:53
works
51:53
too.
51:54
Honestly,
51:55
Kilgrave.
51:59
I
51:59
lack
51:59
empathy
52:00
or
52:00
sympathy
52:00
for
52:01
Kilgrave
52:01
in
52:02
a
52:02
lot
52:02
of
52:02
ways
52:04
because
52:04
like
52:05
you
52:05
said,
52:05
there's
52:05
this
52:05
sort
52:06
of
52:06
like,
52:06
if
52:07
he's
52:07
born
52:07
this
52:08
way,
52:08
which
52:08
he
52:09
is,
52:09
or
52:10
he's
52:10
been
52:10
experimented
52:11
on,
52:11
I
52:11
guess,
52:12
you
52:12
know,
52:12
that
52:12
sort
52:12
of
52:12
thing.
52:13
Like,
52:13
what
52:14
point
52:15
can
52:15
you
52:16
judge
52:17
the.
52:17
The
52:17
nature
52:18
versus
52:18
nurture
52:18
sort
52:19
of
52:19
a
52:19
thing?
52:20
But
52:20
I
52:20
think
52:20
that
52:21
there's.
52:21
There's
52:21
not
52:22
really
52:22
any
52:22
apologizing
52:23
that
52:23
happens.
52:24
There's
52:24
just
52:24
more
52:25
of
52:25
like,
52:25
okay,
52:25
here's
52:26
these.
52:26
This
52:27
here's
52:27
Jessica,
52:27
who's.
52:28
I.
52:28
I've
52:28
abused.
52:29
How
52:30
do
52:30
I
52:30
then,
52:30
you
52:31
know,
52:31
almost
52:32
forcefully,
52:33
you
52:33
know,
52:33
to
52:34
a
52:34
certain
52:34
extent,
52:35
you
52:35
know,
52:35
make
52:36
myself
52:36
better.
52:36
And
52:37
it's
52:37
not
52:37
about
52:37
actually
52:38
healing.
52:39
It's
52:39
about
52:40
trying
52:40
to
52:41
make
52:42
himself
52:43
a
52:43
better
52:43
person
52:44
at
52:44
the
52:45
expense
52:45
of
52:46
another.
52:47
And
52:47
I
52:47
think
52:47
that
52:47
translates
52:48
really
52:48
well
52:48
to
52:49
like,
52:50
maybe
52:50
even
52:50
thought
52:51
experiments
52:52
on
52:52
can
52:52
a
52:53
God
52:53
who
52:54
has
52:54
that
52:55
ability?
52:55
Is
52:56
that.
52:56
Is
52:56
there
52:56
like
52:56
a.
52:57
Is
52:57
there
52:57
an
52:57
incompatibility
52:58
with
52:59
the
52:59
way
52:59
that
53:00
a
53:00
God
53:00
that
53:01
maybe
53:01
has
53:01
similar
53:02
traits
53:02
that
53:02
a
53:02
Killgrave
53:03
does.
53:04
Can
53:04
they
53:05
actually
53:05
be
53:05
compassionate
53:06
if
53:07
they
53:07
don't
53:07
know
53:08
if
53:08
they're
53:08
controlling
53:09
or
53:09
not?
53:09
Yeah.
53:10
You
53:10
wrote
53:10
a
53:11
lot
53:11
of
53:11
similar
53:11
stuff
53:12
in
53:12
the
53:13
Omnipotence
53:13
article.
53:14
I
53:14
think
53:14
everyone
53:14
should
53:14
get
53:14
that
53:15
book
53:15
as
53:15
well
53:15
as
53:15
in
53:15
your
53:15
own
53:16
substack
53:16
Tolkien
53:17
Pop.
53:17
I
53:18
actually
53:18
wrote
53:18
recently
53:19
comparing
53:20
that
53:20
kind
53:20
of
53:20
Calvinist
53:21
version
53:22
of
53:22
God
53:22
that
53:23
you
53:23
see
53:23
to.
53:24
I
53:24
don't
53:24
think
53:24
I
53:25
compared
53:25
him
53:25
to
53:25
Kilgrave.
53:25
I
53:26
know
53:26
I
53:26
compared
53:26
him
53:26
to
53:27
Sauron
53:28
as
53:28
well
53:28
as
53:28
the
53:28
master
53:29
of
53:29
Masters
53:29
in
53:29
Kingdom
53:29
Hearts.
53:30
And
53:30
I'm
53:30
like,
53:30
if
53:30
your
53:30
God
53:31
makes
53:31
me
53:31
think
53:31
of
53:31
these
53:32
characters,
53:33
probably
53:33
not
53:34
a
53:34
great
53:34
sign.
53:36
Will,
53:36
do
53:36
you
53:36
have
53:36
anything
53:36
to
53:37
add
53:37
to
53:37
this
53:37
kind
53:37
of
53:37
parts
53:37
of
53:38
stuff
53:38
or
53:38
any
53:38
scenes
53:38
or
53:39
anything
53:39
that
53:39
stood
53:39
out
53:39
from
53:39
you,
53:39
from
53:40
the
53:40
show
53:40
that
53:40
you
53:40
want
53:40
to
53:40
bring
53:41
up
53:41
or
53:41
maybe
53:42
just
53:42
fill
53:42
us
53:42
in
53:42
with
53:42
your
53:42
wisdom?
53:43
Is
53:44
Kilgrave
53:44
capable
53:45
of
53:45
love
53:45
or
53:45
redemption?
53:46
No.
53:47
Yeah,
53:48
I
53:49
think
53:49
I.
53:50
You
53:50
know,
53:53
I
53:54
think.
53:54
Let's
53:55
see.
53:56
Where
53:56
am
53:56
I
53:57
looking
53:57
for
53:57
this
53:58
anyway.
53:59
I
53:59
thought
53:59
I
53:59
created
53:59
a
53:59
banner
54:00
anyway.
54:01
I
54:01
think,
54:02
yeah,
54:03
anybody.
54:03
I'm
54:04
of
54:04
the
54:04
mindset
54:04
that
54:05
anybody
54:06
is
54:07
redeemable
54:07
and
54:08
there's
54:08
always
54:08
an
54:08
open
54:09
door
54:09
for
54:09
God's
54:09
grace.
54:10
In
54:10
your
54:10
outline,
54:11
you
54:11
said,
54:11
is
54:12
Kill
54:12
Grace
54:13
capable
54:13
of
54:14
love
54:14
or
54:14
redemption?
54:14
So
54:14
there's
54:16
even
54:16
a
54:17
typo.
54:17
Kill
54:18
grave,
54:18
Kill
54:18
grace.
54:20
How
54:20
is
54:20
grace
54:21
tied
54:21
into
54:22
all
54:22
of
54:22
this?
54:24
Redeemable,
54:25
sure.
54:26
But
54:26
yeah,
54:26
I
54:26
think
54:27
when
54:28
we're
54:28
talking
54:28
about
54:29
control
54:30
manipulation
54:31
and
54:31
second
54:32
guessing
54:32
what
54:32
is
54:33
happening
54:33
next
54:34
in
54:34
terms
54:34
of
54:35
how
54:35
we
54:35
use
54:36
that,
54:36
how
54:36
we're
54:36
stewards
54:37
of
54:37
that,
54:37
I
54:37
think
54:37
there's
54:38
a
54:38
conversation
54:38
for
54:38
that.
54:39
And
54:39
creating
54:40
villains
54:40
where
54:40
we're
54:40
wrestling
54:40
with
54:41
those
54:41
same
54:41
questions,
54:41
I
54:41
think
54:42
is
54:42
important.
54:43
So,
54:43
yeah,
54:44
anyway,
54:44
yeah,
54:45
I
54:45
think
54:45
that's
54:45
true.
54:46
The
54:46
difference
54:47
is
54:47
that
54:47
Kilgrave
54:48
obviously
54:48
isn't
54:49
a
54:49
deity
54:50
in
54:50
the
54:50
show.
54:51
Like,
54:51
Kilgrave
54:52
is
54:52
a
54:53
human
54:53
being,
54:54
actually.
54:54
I
54:55
don't
54:55
know
54:55
if
54:55
he's
54:55
like
54:55
extraterrestrial
54:56
or
54:56
not.
54:57
Isn't
54:57
there,
54:57
like,
54:57
isn't
54:58
there?
54:58
I
54:58
don't
54:58
remember.
55:00
He's
55:00
a
55:01
human.
55:01
Right.
55:02
But
55:03
he,
55:03
you
55:04
know,
55:04
there's
55:04
room
55:04
for
55:05
that,
55:05
that
55:06
he
55:06
can
55:07
be
55:07
redeemed
55:08
and
55:08
can
55:08
do
55:09
things
55:09
that
55:09
are
55:09
better.
55:10
But
55:11
I
55:11
feel
55:11
like,
55:11
especially
55:12
in
55:12
the
55:12
show,
55:13
it
55:14
is
55:14
clear
55:15
that
55:15
it's
55:16
that
55:16
he.
55:17
They've
55:17
at
55:17
least
55:18
with
55:18
Jessica,
55:19
that
55:20
it's
55:20
better
55:20
that
55:21
he
55:21
isn't
55:22
given
55:22
the
55:22
opportunity
55:23
to,
55:23
because
55:23
he
55:24
won't.
55:24
Now,
55:25
the
55:25
comics
55:25
are
55:25
different.
55:26
What
55:26
happens
55:27
to
55:27
Kilgrave
55:27
in
55:28
the
55:28
comics?
55:28
I
55:29
think
55:29
there's
55:29
actually
55:29
some
55:30
empathy
55:30
because
55:31
then
55:31
there's
55:31
a
55:32
power
55:32
dynamic
55:32
where
55:33
he
55:33
himself
55:33
is
55:33
being
55:34
controlled,
55:34
you
55:35
know?
55:36
Yeah,
55:37
yeah,
55:37
yeah.
55:38
And
55:38
that's.
55:39
Well,
55:39
and
55:40
that
55:40
gets
55:40
interesting
55:40
too
55:40
with
55:41
the
55:41
comics.
55:41
And
55:42
that's
55:42
going
55:42
to
55:42
get
55:43
into
55:43
some
55:43
of
55:43
our
55:43
last
55:43
questions
55:44
here.
55:45
Even
55:45
outside
55:45
of
55:45
just
55:46
like
55:46
the
55:46
Alias
55:46
story
55:47
arc.
55:47
You
55:48
mentioned
55:48
Will,
55:49
with
55:49
Dr.
55:49
Doom
55:50
using
55:50
him.
55:50
I
55:50
mentioned
55:50
Kingpin
55:51
uses
55:51
him.
55:53
I
55:53
think
55:53
you
55:54
see
55:54
a
55:54
similar
55:54
thing
55:54
when
55:54
we're
55:55
transitioning
55:55
to
55:55
this.
55:55
Like,
55:56
how
55:56
does
55:57
love
55:58
interact
55:58
with
55:58
his
55:58
ability
55:59
to
55:59
control?
55:59
And
56:00
can
56:00
there
56:00
be
56:00
a
56:00
controlling
56:01
all
56:01
loving
56:01
God?
56:02
And
56:02
we're
56:02
also
56:03
looking
56:03
at
56:03
can
56:04
a
56:04
character
56:04
who
56:04
has
56:05
the
56:05
ability
56:05
to
56:05
control,
56:06
is
56:06
he
56:06
capable
56:06
of
56:06
love?
56:07
All
56:07
these
56:07
questions,
56:07
I
56:07
think,
56:07
are
56:08
entangled.
56:10
And
56:10
I
56:10
think
56:10
what's.
56:12
What's
56:12
interesting
56:13
is
56:13
when
56:14
you
56:14
see
56:14
something
56:15
that
56:15
can
56:15
control
56:15
others,
56:16
other
56:17
people
56:17
try
56:17
to
56:18
control
56:18
or
56:18
to
56:18
use
56:18
that.
56:19
So
56:19
we
56:19
see
56:20
Kingpin
56:20
and
56:20
Dr.
56:20
Doom
56:21
that
56:21
do
56:21
the
56:21
Killgrave
56:22
in
56:22
our
56:22
real
56:22
world.
56:23
I
56:23
think
56:23
we
56:23
see
56:24
pastors
56:24
and
56:24
political
56:24
figures
56:25
try
56:25
to
56:26
use
56:26
God
56:27
to
56:27
control
56:28
others.
56:28
So
56:29
I
56:29
think
56:29
that's
56:29
an
56:30
interesting
56:30
little
56:30
bit
56:30
of
56:30
a
56:31
parallel
56:31
as
56:31
well.
56:32
Yeah,
56:32
I
56:32
said
56:32
in
56:33
My
56:33
sermon
56:33
this
56:33
past
56:33
Sunday,
56:34
I
56:34
literally
56:35
just
56:35
talked
56:35
to
56:35
my
56:35
congregation,
56:36
said,
56:36
I
56:36
don't
56:36
care
56:37
if
56:37
you
56:37
believe
56:37
in
56:37
God
56:37
or
56:37
not,
56:38
but
56:38
I
56:39
do
56:39
care
56:39
what
56:39
kind
56:39
of
56:39
God
56:40
God
56:40
you
56:40
believe
56:40
in
56:41
and
56:41
who
56:41
you
56:41
worship.
56:42
And
56:42
then
56:42
I
56:42
don't
56:42
care
56:42
if
56:43
you
56:43
believe
56:43
in
56:43
Christ,
56:43
but
56:44
I
56:44
do
56:44
care
56:45
how
56:45
you
56:45
classify
56:46
or
56:46
define
56:46
what
56:47
messiahship
56:47
looks
56:48
like.
56:48
And
56:49
I
56:49
kind
56:49
of
56:49
took
56:49
people
56:49
back.
56:50
It's
56:50
like
56:50
there's
56:50
a
56:50
difference.
56:51
You
56:51
can
56:51
just
56:51
say
56:51
you
56:51
believe
56:51
in
56:51
God,
56:52
believe
56:52
in
56:52
Christ,
56:52
but
56:53
what
56:53
do
56:53
you
56:53
mean
56:53
by
56:53
that?
56:53
And
56:54
how
56:54
do
56:54
you
56:54
use
56:54
it,
56:54
manipulate
56:55
it
56:55
or
56:55
commodify
56:55
it?
56:56
And
56:56
I
56:56
think
56:57
where
56:57
it
56:57
was
56:57
entangled
56:58
with
56:58
Kilgrave
56:58
is
56:59
that
56:59
he
56:59
has
56:59
his
57:00
power
57:00
and
57:00
how
57:00
is
57:00
he
57:00
using
57:01
it?
57:01
And
57:01
then
57:01
he's
57:01
even
57:01
confused.
57:02
There
57:02
is
57:02
some
57:02
sympathy,
57:03
sympathy
57:04
for
57:04
the
57:04
devil
57:04
here
57:04
that
57:05
like,
57:05
oh,
57:06
you
57:06
know,
57:06
these
57:06
TV
57:06
shows
57:07
set
57:07
up
57:08
the,
57:08
the
57:09
angst
57:09
within
57:09
you,
57:10
who
57:10
you
57:10
support
57:10
and
57:11
whether
57:11
you
57:11
pull,
57:11
who
57:11
you,
57:12
who
57:12
you
57:12
pull
57:13
forward,
57:13
who
57:13
you
57:14
pull
57:14
against.
57:15
And,
57:15
and
57:15
so
57:16
they
57:17
want
57:17
you
57:17
to
57:17
have
57:17
a
57:17
little
57:17
bit
57:17
of
57:17
sympathy
57:18
for
57:18
this
57:18
feeling
57:18
and
57:19
you
57:19
feel
57:19
a
57:19
little
57:19
bit
57:19
of
57:19
it.
57:20
But,
57:20
you
57:20
know,
57:20
we're
57:20
all
57:21
longing
57:21
for
57:21
authentic
57:22
connection
57:22
and
57:23
love.
57:23
And
57:23
then,
57:24
you
57:24
know,
57:24
we
57:25
just
57:25
can't
57:25
control
57:25
ourselves
57:26
to
57:26
manipulate
57:27
others
57:27
because
57:27
we're
57:28
selfish
57:28
and
57:28
those
57:28
in
57:29
that
57:29
nature.
57:29
So
57:31
I
57:31
think,
57:31
I
57:31
think
57:32
if
57:32
we
57:32
personify
57:33
God
57:33
and
57:34
put
57:34
our
57:34
own
57:34
junk
57:34
on
57:35
top
57:35
of
57:35
how
57:35
we
57:35
understand
57:36
God,
57:36
then
57:37
that
57:37
will
57:37
express
57:38
how
57:38
we
57:39
preach
57:39
about
57:39
God,
57:40
talk
57:40
about
57:40
God,
57:41
write
57:41
about
57:41
God,
57:42
because
57:42
we're
57:43
creating
57:43
our
57:43
own.
57:43
We
57:44
create
57:44
God
57:44
in
57:44
our
57:44
own
57:44
image.
57:46
Yeah.
57:47
Well,
57:47
I'm
57:48
going
57:48
to
57:48
say
57:48
something
57:48
that
57:48
Tom
57:49
Ord's
57:49
going
57:49
to
57:49
push
57:49
back
57:49
on
57:50
in
57:50
that
57:50
follow
57:50
up
57:51
episode.
57:52
But
57:53
when
57:53
I
57:53
think
57:53
about
57:53
all
57:53
this
57:53
stuff,
57:54
for
57:54
me,
57:56
I
57:56
can
57:56
bring
57:57
in
57:57
everyone
57:58
as
57:58
the
57:58
same
57:58
side
57:59
good
57:59
guys
57:59
when
57:59
it
57:59
comes
57:59
to
57:59
certain
58:00
things,
58:01
when
58:01
we're
58:01
thinking
58:01
about
58:02
the
58:02
ability
58:02
to
58:02
control,
58:03
when
58:03
we're
58:03
talking
58:03
about
58:03
God.
58:04
So
58:04
I
58:04
think
58:04
Kilgravis
58:05
is
58:05
a
58:05
good
58:06
lens
58:06
to
58:06
look
58:06
through.
58:07
But
58:07
what
58:07
we're
58:07
really
58:07
talking
58:07
about
58:08
is
58:08
can
58:08
love
58:09
be
58:09
controlling?
58:10
And
58:10
I
58:11
would
58:11
say
58:11
no,
58:12
because
58:12
that's
58:12
not
58:12
a
58:12
real
58:13
relationship.
58:13
What
58:13
I
58:14
think
58:14
though
58:14
is
58:14
interesting
58:15
is
58:15
Nick
58:16
and
58:16
Tom
58:17
would
58:17
say
58:18
no,
58:18
God
58:18
can't
58:19
control.
58:19
God
58:19
doesn't
58:20
have
58:20
the
58:20
ability
58:20
to
58:20
control
58:21
people.
58:21
Like
58:22
Christian
58:22
Ashley,
58:23
who's
58:23
part
58:23
of
58:23
systematic
58:23
ecology,
58:24
good
58:25
friend
58:25
of
58:25
all
58:25
of
58:25
ours.
58:26
He
58:26
would
58:26
say
58:26
God
58:26
has
58:27
the
58:27
ability
58:27
to.
58:27
But
58:27
God
58:28
will
58:28
not
58:28
control
58:28
people.
58:29
I
58:29
think
58:29
that's
58:29
what
58:29
he
58:29
would
58:29
say.
58:31
And
58:31
I
58:31
kind
58:32
of
58:32
fall
58:32
into
58:32
this,
58:32
like,
58:33
weird
58:33
where
58:33
I'm
58:33
like,
58:34
yes,
58:35
God
58:36
doesn't
58:36
have
58:36
that
58:36
type
58:36
of
58:37
power.
58:37
He
58:37
is
58:37
a
58:37
different
58:38
type
58:38
of
58:38
power.
58:39
And
58:39
love
58:39
is
58:40
his
58:40
character.
58:41
Love
58:41
is
58:41
not
58:41
his
58:41
power.
58:42
His
58:42
power
58:42
is
58:43
in
58:44
relationships
58:45
and
58:45
how
58:45
we
58:45
choose
58:45
to
58:46
relate.
58:46
And
58:46
that's
58:46
not
58:46
always
58:47
loving,
58:47
I
58:48
don't
58:48
think.
58:48
But
58:48
I
58:48
think
58:49
God
58:49
is
58:49
love.
58:51
It's
58:51
weird.
58:51
It
58:51
gets
58:52
into
58:52
some
58:52
of
58:52
that
58:52
weird,
58:52
like
58:54
Levinas
58:55
kind
58:55
of.
58:55
We
58:56
aren't
58:56
us,
58:57
we
58:57
are
58:57
defined
58:57
by
58:57
our
58:57
relationships.
58:58
I
58:58
would
58:58
say
58:58
the
58:59
same
58:59
thing's
58:59
true
58:59
of
58:59
God.
58:59
God
59:00
is
59:00
not
59:00
just
59:00
something
59:01
out
59:01
there.
59:01
He
59:01
is
59:01
defined
59:02
by
59:02
relationships.
59:04
So
59:04
I
59:04
think
59:04
we're
59:05
thinking
59:05
of,
59:05
type,
59:06
kind,
59:06
whatever.
59:07
I
59:07
don't
59:07
think
59:07
it
59:07
matters.
59:08
I
59:08
think
59:08
the
59:08
good
59:08
guys
59:08
are
59:09
the
59:09
ones
59:09
on
59:09
the
59:09
side
59:09
that
59:10
say
59:10
God
59:10
is
59:10
not
59:11
controlling
59:11
people.
59:12
Whether
59:12
it's
59:12
because
59:12
you
59:12
think
59:13
he
59:13
can't
59:13
or
59:13
because
59:14
he
59:14
won't
59:15
doesn't
59:15
matter
59:15
so
59:15
much
59:16
to
59:16
me.
59:16
I
59:17
think
59:17
where
59:17
you
59:17
get
59:17
into
59:17
those
59:18
dangerous
59:18
territories,
59:18
like
59:19
what
59:19
Will
59:19
was
59:19
talking
59:19
about
59:19
is
59:20
when
59:20
we
59:20
have
59:20
pastors
59:21
or
59:21
political
59:21
figures,
59:21
we're
59:22
talking
59:22
about
59:22
a
59:22
God
59:22
who
59:22
is
59:23
going
59:23
to
59:23
control
59:23
you.
59:23
It
59:24
has
59:24
all
59:24
this
59:25
kind
59:25
of
59:25
stuff
59:25
and
59:25
use
59:25
that
59:26
to
59:26
manipulate
59:26
other
59:26
people,
59:27
that
59:27
it
59:27
becomes
59:27
harmful.
59:29
So
59:29
I
59:29
want
59:29
to
59:29
ask
59:29
you
59:30
guys,
59:30
if
59:31
it's
59:31
actually
59:31
harmful
59:32
to
59:32
have
59:32
a
59:32
doctrine
59:33
of
59:33
this
59:33
controlling
59:33
God
59:34
in
59:34
our
59:34
churches.
59:36
How
59:36
do
59:36
we
59:36
interact
59:37
with
59:37
people
59:37
who
59:37
do
59:37
believe
59:38
in
59:38
that
59:38
version
59:38
of
59:38
God?
59:39
What
59:39
do
59:39
we
59:39
do
59:39
with
59:40
that?
59:40
We
59:41
can't
59:41
just
59:41
kill
59:41
Killgrave
59:42
in
59:42
this
59:42
instance
59:43
because
59:43
we
59:43
would
59:43
be
59:43
going
59:43
to
59:43
a
59:43
bunch
59:44
of
59:44
churches
59:44
and
59:44
burning
59:44
them
59:45
down.
59:45
And
59:45
I
59:45
don't
59:45
think
59:46
that's
59:46
right.
59:47
Where
59:47
are
59:48
we
59:48
at
59:48
though?
59:49
Yeah,
59:49
it's
59:49
hard
59:50
to
59:50
be
59:50
a
59:50
pacifist
59:50
and
59:51
anti
59:51
violence
59:52
on
59:52
top
59:52
of
59:52
those
59:52
things.
59:52
And
59:52
how
59:53
do
59:53
you
59:53
stop
59:53
it?
59:53
Resist.
59:54
But,
59:54
but
59:54
I
59:54
just
59:55
counter
59:55
that
59:55
narrative.
59:55
Share
59:56
a
59:56
different
59:56
story
59:56
of
59:56
how
59:56
we
59:57
understand
59:57
God
59:57
to
59:57
be
59:57
or
59:58
do.
59:59
Yeah,
1:00:00
yeah,
1:00:01
you
1:00:01
can
1:00:01
disagree.
1:00:03
Yeah,
1:00:04
yeah.
1:00:05
How
1:00:05
do
1:00:05
you
1:00:05
counterbalance
1:00:06
or
1:00:06
counterbalance
1:00:06
that
1:00:06
narrative
1:00:07
or
1:00:07
share
1:00:07
a
1:00:08
different
1:00:08
story?
1:00:08
How
1:00:08
do
1:00:08
you
1:00:08
tell
1:00:08
a
1:00:09
different
1:00:09
story
1:00:09
whether
1:00:09
your
1:00:10
life
1:00:10
or
1:00:10
deeds
1:00:10
or
1:00:11
in
1:00:11
the
1:00:11
communities
1:00:12
that
1:00:12
you're
1:00:13
entrusted
1:00:13
with?
1:00:14
Yeah,
1:00:14
well,
1:00:15
let's
1:00:16
take
1:00:16
a
1:00:16
step
1:00:16
back.
1:00:17
Do
1:00:17
y'all
1:00:17
agree
1:00:17
with
1:00:17
me
1:00:17
though?
1:00:18
Like
1:00:18
the
1:00:18
idea
1:00:18
that
1:00:19
pushing
1:00:19
that
1:00:19
narrative
1:00:20
of
1:00:20
a
1:00:20
controlling
1:00:20
God
1:00:21
is
1:00:21
in
1:00:21
fact
1:00:21
harmful
1:00:21
in
1:00:21
our
1:00:22
churches?
1:00:23
For,
1:00:23
for
1:00:23
me
1:00:24
it
1:00:24
is,
1:00:26
it
1:00:26
is.
1:00:27
And
1:00:28
like,
1:00:28
like
1:00:28
Will
1:00:28
was
1:00:28
saying,
1:00:29
like
1:00:29
how
1:00:29
do
1:00:29
we
1:00:29
then
1:00:30
implement
1:00:31
that
1:00:31
or
1:00:31
try
1:00:32
to
1:00:32
influence
1:00:33
without
1:00:34
ourselves
1:00:34
becoming
1:00:35
the
1:00:36
domineering
1:00:36
power
1:00:37
we're
1:00:37
trying
1:00:38
to,
1:00:38
you
1:00:39
know,
1:00:39
maybe,
1:00:40
maybe
1:00:40
stop
1:00:41
being
1:00:42
present.
1:00:43
But
1:00:43
I
1:00:43
think
1:00:44
so.
1:00:44
In,
1:00:44
in
1:00:44
Tom's
1:00:45
book
1:00:45
he
1:00:45
talks
1:00:46
about
1:00:46
the
1:00:46
political
1:00:46
implications
1:00:47
for
1:00:47
promoting
1:00:48
a
1:00:49
God
1:00:49
that's
1:00:49
omnipotent
1:00:51
and
1:00:51
where
1:00:52
there
1:00:53
is
1:00:53
the
1:00:54
possibility
1:00:54
that
1:00:55
this
1:00:55
kind
1:00:55
of
1:00:55
top
1:00:55
down
1:00:56
relationship
1:00:57
is,
1:00:58
like
1:00:58
I
1:00:58
said,
1:00:58
more
1:00:58
identity
1:00:59
based
1:00:59
rather
1:01:00
than
1:01:00
qualitatively
1:01:01
based.
1:01:02
Where
1:01:02
oh,
1:01:02
it's
1:01:03
God.
1:01:03
So
1:01:03
God
1:01:04
is.
1:01:05
It's
1:01:05
God.
1:01:05
So
1:01:05
no
1:01:06
matter
1:01:06
what
1:01:06
happens,
1:01:07
it's
1:01:07
right.
1:01:07
Right.
1:01:08
God
1:01:08
ordained
1:01:08
this
1:01:08
to
1:01:09
happen.
1:01:09
Therefore,
1:01:10
whatever,
1:01:10
what
1:01:11
political
1:01:11
leader
1:01:12
does
1:01:12
is
1:01:13
therefore
1:01:13
ordained
1:01:14
and
1:01:14
good.
1:01:15
And
1:01:15
so
1:01:15
I
1:01:16
would
1:01:16
say
1:01:18
through
1:01:19
the
1:01:20
method
1:01:20
that
1:01:20
Will
1:01:21
was
1:01:21
talking
1:01:21
about
1:01:21
is
1:01:22
how
1:01:22
do
1:01:22
we
1:01:22
then
1:01:23
create
1:01:23
these
1:01:23
counter
1:01:24
narratives,
1:01:24
promote
1:01:25
them
1:01:26
so
1:01:26
that
1:01:26
we
1:01:27
can
1:01:27
say
1:01:27
that
1:01:27
that
1:01:28
sort
1:01:28
of
1:01:28
articulation
1:01:29
of
1:01:29
God
1:01:30
is
1:01:30
not
1:01:30
in
1:01:31
our
1:01:31
best
1:01:31
interests.
1:01:32
Yeah.
1:01:34
So
1:01:34
for
1:01:34
me,
1:01:35
how
1:01:35
I'm
1:01:36
going
1:01:36
to
1:01:36
answer
1:01:36
my
1:01:36
own
1:01:36
question.
1:01:37
I'm
1:01:38
going
1:01:38
to
1:01:38
take
1:01:38
more
1:01:38
of
1:01:38
a
1:01:38
Taoist
1:01:39
approach.
1:01:39
And
1:01:39
it's
1:01:40
one
1:01:40
of
1:01:40
those
1:01:40
things
1:01:40
that
1:01:40
I
1:01:41
think
1:01:41
Tom
1:01:41
and
1:01:41
I
1:01:41
have
1:01:41
disagreed
1:01:42
on
1:01:42
about
1:01:42
a
1:01:42
few
1:01:43
times
1:01:43
on
1:01:43
Whole
1:01:43
Church
1:01:43
podcast.
1:01:45
But
1:01:46
not
1:01:46
like
1:01:46
a
1:01:46
strong
1:01:46
disagreement,
1:01:47
just
1:01:47
kind
1:01:47
of
1:01:47
like
1:01:47
a
1:01:48
emphasis
1:01:48
disagreement,
1:01:49
I
1:01:49
guess.
1:01:50
In
1:01:51
the
1:01:51
Tao
1:01:51
Te
1:01:52
Ching,
1:01:52
Lao
1:01:52
Tzu
1:01:52
writes
1:01:53
and
1:01:53
he
1:01:53
says
1:01:54
not
1:01:54
to
1:01:54
respect
1:01:54
the
1:01:54
clever.
1:01:55
And
1:01:55
what
1:01:55
he
1:01:55
talks
1:01:55
about
1:01:56
is
1:01:56
like,
1:01:56
we
1:01:56
put
1:01:56
so
1:01:57
much
1:01:57
emphasis
1:01:57
on
1:01:57
knowledge
1:01:58
and
1:01:58
like
1:01:58
building
1:01:59
this
1:01:59
stuff
1:01:59
up
1:01:59
that
1:01:59
sometimes
1:01:59
we
1:02:00
confuse
1:02:00
ourselves.
1:02:01
We
1:02:01
just
1:02:02
make
1:02:02
it
1:02:02
all
1:02:02
about
1:02:02
all
1:02:02
this
1:02:02
stuff
1:02:03
and
1:02:03
instead
1:02:03
like
1:02:03
just
1:02:04
be,
1:02:04
just
1:02:05
exist.
1:02:07
So
1:02:07
how
1:02:07
I
1:02:07
would
1:02:08
answer
1:02:08
this
1:02:08
is
1:02:08
like,
1:02:08
I
1:02:09
think
1:02:09
the
1:02:09
problem
1:02:09
is
1:02:09
we
1:02:10
have
1:02:10
all
1:02:10
this
1:02:10
top
1:02:10
down
1:02:11
nonsense,
1:02:11
right?
1:02:11
We
1:02:12
have
1:02:12
all
1:02:12
these
1:02:12
pastors
1:02:12
saying,
1:02:12
this
1:02:13
is
1:02:13
the
1:02:13
will
1:02:13
of
1:02:13
God,
1:02:13
this
1:02:13
is
1:02:13
what
1:02:13
he
1:02:14
says,
1:02:14
and
1:02:14
do
1:02:14
this.
1:02:15
And
1:02:15
then
1:02:15
to
1:02:15
fight
1:02:15
against
1:02:16
that
1:02:16
narrative,
1:02:16
we
1:02:16
have
1:02:16
a
1:02:16
lot
1:02:16
of
1:02:17
other
1:02:17
pastors
1:02:17
on
1:02:17
the
1:02:17
other
1:02:17
side
1:02:18
going,
1:02:18
that's
1:02:18
not
1:02:18
what
1:02:18
God
1:02:19
said.
1:02:19
God
1:02:19
said,
1:02:19
do
1:02:19
this.
1:02:20
And
1:02:21
I'm
1:02:21
like,
1:02:21
well,
1:02:22
I
1:02:22
think
1:02:22
all
1:02:23
of
1:02:23
that
1:02:23
stuff
1:02:23
is
1:02:24
missing
1:02:24
the
1:02:24
point.
1:02:24
And
1:02:25
actually
1:02:25
God
1:02:25
exists
1:02:26
in
1:02:26
relationships
1:02:26
same
1:02:26
way
1:02:27
all
1:02:27
of
1:02:27
us
1:02:27
do,
1:02:27
and
1:02:28
just
1:02:28
start
1:02:28
making
1:02:29
relationships,
1:02:30
just
1:02:30
start
1:02:30
loving
1:02:30
people.
1:02:31
It
1:02:32
doesn't
1:02:32
have
1:02:32
to
1:02:32
be
1:02:32
like,
1:02:32
I'm
1:02:32
going
1:02:32
to
1:02:33
build
1:02:33
a
1:02:33
new
1:02:33
theology,
1:02:34
just
1:02:35
build
1:02:35
those
1:02:35
relationships.
1:02:36
And
1:02:37
since
1:02:37
God
1:02:37
exists
1:02:38
in
1:02:38
relationship,
1:02:38
God
1:02:39
will
1:02:39
change
1:02:39
it
1:02:39
if
1:02:39
God
1:02:40
is
1:02:40
real.
1:02:40
And
1:02:40
if
1:02:40
God's
1:02:40
not
1:02:40
real,
1:02:41
you're
1:02:41
wasting
1:02:41
your
1:02:42
time
1:02:42
anyway.
1:02:42
So
1:02:42
who
1:02:42
cares?
1:02:43
That's
1:02:43
where
1:02:44
I'm
1:02:44
at.
1:02:45
Y'all
1:02:46
want
1:02:46
to
1:02:46
push
1:02:46
back
1:02:46
against
1:02:47
that?
1:02:47
Anything
1:02:47
else
1:02:47
before
1:02:47
we
1:02:48
wrap
1:02:48
this
1:02:48
up?
1:02:48
You
1:02:49
know,
1:02:49
I
1:02:49
think
1:02:49
it's
1:02:49
just
1:02:50
like
1:02:51
this.
1:02:51
I
1:02:51
think
1:02:52
that
1:02:52
even
1:02:52
if
1:02:52
God
1:02:53
didn't
1:02:53
exist,
1:02:53
it
1:02:53
would
1:02:53
matter
1:02:54
because
1:02:55
it
1:02:55
still
1:02:55
affects
1:02:55
the
1:02:56
real
1:02:56
life.
1:02:57
You
1:02:57
know,
1:02:58
if
1:02:58
affects
1:02:59
the
1:02:59
real
1:02:59
practical
1:03:00
lives
1:03:00
of
1:03:01
people
1:03:01
where
1:03:02
if
1:03:02
God
1:03:02
doesn't
1:03:02
exist,
1:03:03
then
1:03:04
it
1:03:04
just
1:03:04
depends
1:03:05
on
1:03:05
like
1:03:05
consensus
1:03:06
or
1:03:06
wherever
1:03:07
someone
1:03:08
kind
1:03:08
of
1:03:08
decides
1:03:09
to
1:03:09
put
1:03:09
their
1:03:09
trust.
1:03:10
As
1:03:10
far
1:03:10
as
1:03:10
authority
1:03:11
goes,
1:03:11
where
1:03:11
they're
1:03:11
like,
1:03:11
I
1:03:12
like
1:03:12
Trump.
1:03:13
So
1:03:13
whatever
1:03:13
Trump
1:03:13
decides
1:03:14
to
1:03:14
do,
1:03:14
you
1:03:15
know,
1:03:15
to
1:03:15
trans
1:03:15
people,
1:03:16
like,
1:03:16
then
1:03:16
therefore
1:03:17
it's
1:03:17
fine.
1:03:18
So
1:03:19
anyway,
1:03:19
but
1:03:19
I
1:03:19
think
1:03:19
there.
1:03:20
Ha.
1:03:20
Yeah,
1:03:20
that's,
1:03:21
that's
1:03:21
the
1:03:21
only
1:03:21
thing
1:03:21
I'll
1:03:21
say.
1:03:22
But
1:03:22
I
1:03:22
Like
1:03:22
I
1:03:22
do
1:03:22
like
1:03:23
the
1:03:23
Taoist
1:03:24
that
1:03:24
connects
1:03:25
to
1:03:25
like
1:03:25
Zen
1:03:25
Buddhist
1:03:26
kind
1:03:26
of
1:03:26
approach
1:03:26
of
1:03:27
like,
1:03:27
instead
1:03:28
of
1:03:28
just
1:03:28
creating
1:03:29
systems
1:03:29
which
1:03:30
don't
1:03:30
necessarily
1:03:31
have
1:03:31
lasting
1:03:32
power
1:03:33
anyway,
1:03:33
that
1:03:34
to
1:03:34
just
1:03:34
actually
1:03:35
enact
1:03:36
the
1:03:36
love
1:03:37
that
1:03:37
exists
1:03:37
in
1:03:38
the
1:03:38
world
1:03:38
or
1:03:38
the
1:03:38
universe.
1:03:39
Yeah,
1:03:39
yeah.
1:03:40
And
1:03:40
also
1:03:40
I
1:03:40
think
1:03:40
Tom
1:03:40
does
1:03:41
is
1:03:41
great
1:03:41
at
1:03:41
both
1:03:41
of
1:03:41
those.
1:03:42
Not
1:03:42
just
1:03:42
because
1:03:42
he's
1:03:42
gonna
1:03:42
listen
1:03:43
to
1:03:43
this,
1:03:43
like
1:03:43
genuinely
1:03:44
seeing
1:03:44
his
1:03:45
pictures
1:03:45
of
1:03:45
nature
1:03:45
and
1:03:45
just
1:03:46
how
1:03:46
he
1:03:46
reacts
1:03:46
with
1:03:46
me,
1:03:46
even
1:03:47
when
1:03:47
I
1:03:47
do
1:03:47
disagree.
1:03:47
Like,
1:03:48
he's
1:03:48
just
1:03:48
an
1:03:48
incredibly
1:03:49
loving
1:03:49
person.
1:03:49
So
1:03:50
it's
1:03:50
just.
1:03:50
I
1:03:50
think
1:03:51
the
1:03:51
emphasis
1:03:51
should
1:03:51
be
1:03:52
less
1:03:52
on
1:03:52
creating
1:03:53
these
1:03:53
structures
1:03:53
and
1:03:53
more
1:03:54
on
1:03:54
just
1:03:54
building
1:03:55
those
1:03:55
relationships.
1:03:56
I
1:03:56
think
1:03:56
if
1:03:56
we
1:03:57
love
1:03:57
people
1:03:57
better,
1:03:57
they'd
1:03:57
be
1:03:58
less
1:03:58
likely
1:03:58
to
1:03:58
fall
1:03:58
under
1:04:00
Mr.
1:04:00
Orange,
1:04:01
as
1:04:01
I
1:04:01
like
1:04:01
to
1:04:02
call
1:04:02
him,
1:04:02
or,
1:04:02
you
1:04:02
know,
1:04:02
President
1:04:03
Orange,
1:04:03
as
1:04:04
it
1:04:04
may
1:04:04
be
1:04:06
playing
1:04:06
off
1:04:07
Mr.
1:04:07
Purple.
1:04:07
But
1:04:07
yeah.
1:04:08
Will,
1:04:09
any
1:04:09
last
1:04:09
words
1:04:09
before
1:04:10
we
1:04:10
wrap
1:04:10
this
1:04:10
one
1:04:10
up?
1:04:11
No.
1:04:12
I
1:04:12
mean,
1:04:12
I
1:04:12
think
1:04:12
that
1:04:13
the
1:04:13
dilemma
1:04:14
that
1:04:14
Jessica
1:04:15
Jones
1:04:15
has
1:04:15
at
1:04:16
the
1:04:16
end
1:04:16
of
1:04:16
the
1:04:16
season
1:04:17
when
1:04:19
Kilgrave
1:04:20
is
1:04:20
controlling
1:04:20
all
1:04:20
the
1:04:20
people
1:04:21
around
1:04:21
him
1:04:21
and
1:04:21
they're
1:04:22
like,
1:04:22
how
1:04:22
do
1:04:22
you
1:04:22
stop
1:04:23
them
1:04:23
from
1:04:23
fighting
1:04:24
amongst
1:04:24
themselves?
1:04:25
We
1:04:25
have
1:04:25
to
1:04:25
go
1:04:25
to
1:04:25
the
1:04:25
source
1:04:26
and
1:04:26
stop
1:04:27
that.
1:04:27
And
1:04:27
then,
1:04:28
yeah,
1:04:28
she
1:04:28
kills
1:04:28
him.
1:04:28
But
1:04:30
I
1:04:30
think
1:04:30
of
1:04:30
like,
1:04:30
yes,
1:04:31
it's
1:04:31
one
1:04:31
thing
1:04:31
to
1:04:32
say
1:04:32
just,
1:04:32
well,
1:04:32
I
1:04:33
think
1:04:33
if
1:04:33
just
1:04:33
have
1:04:33
more
1:04:33
love
1:04:34
in
1:04:34
the
1:04:34
world.
1:04:34
We
1:04:34
love
1:04:34
each
1:04:34
other
1:04:34
and
1:04:35
have
1:04:35
understanding,
1:04:35
but
1:04:36
man,
1:04:36
there
1:04:36
are
1:04:36
some
1:04:36
people
1:04:37
that
1:04:37
are
1:04:37
taking
1:04:37
control
1:04:38
and
1:04:39
manipulating
1:04:40
people
1:04:40
and
1:04:41
people
1:04:41
are
1:04:41
fighting,
1:04:41
they're
1:04:42
creating
1:04:42
harm
1:04:42
with
1:04:43
the
1:04:43
community.
1:04:43
How
1:04:43
do
1:04:44
you
1:04:44
stop
1:04:44
that?
1:04:45
There's
1:04:45
one
1:04:45
thing
1:04:45
just
1:04:46
to
1:04:46
ignore
1:04:47
or
1:04:47
nonviolent
1:04:48
resistance,
1:04:48
but
1:04:48
then
1:04:48
there's
1:04:49
another
1:04:49
like,
1:04:49
how
1:04:49
do
1:04:49
you.
1:04:50
It's
1:04:50
real
1:04:51
big
1:04:51
questions.
1:04:52
It's
1:04:52
nuanced
1:04:52
questions
1:04:53
like,
1:04:53
how
1:04:53
do
1:04:53
you
1:04:53
stop
1:04:54
this
1:04:54
and
1:04:54
what
1:04:54
does
1:04:54
that
1:04:55
resistance
1:04:55
looks
1:04:55
like?
1:04:55
Is
1:04:55
it
1:04:56
fight,
1:04:56
take
1:04:56
up
1:04:56
arms
1:04:57
or
1:04:57
is
1:04:57
it
1:04:57
to
1:04:58
resist?
1:04:58
Is
1:04:58
it
1:04:59
mlk?
1:05:00
Non
1:05:00
violent
1:05:01
sit
1:05:02
ins,
1:05:02
Nonviolent
1:05:03
resistance.
1:05:04
But
1:05:04
yeah,
1:05:05
violence
1:05:05
still
1:05:05
breaks
1:05:05
out
1:05:05
when
1:05:05
you're
1:05:06
doing
1:05:06
a
1:05:06
peaceful
1:05:06
march
1:05:07
down
1:05:07
the
1:05:08
road
1:05:08
because
1:05:09
people
1:05:09
unleash
1:05:11
water
1:05:11
hoses
1:05:11
and
1:05:12
dogs
1:05:12
on
1:05:12
you.
1:05:14
It's
1:05:14
complicated,
1:05:15
it's
1:05:15
not
1:05:15
easy.
1:05:15
But
1:05:16
I
1:05:16
think
1:05:16
it's
1:05:16
important
1:05:16
us
1:05:17
to
1:05:17
continue
1:05:17
to
1:05:17
have
1:05:17
these
1:05:17
conversations
1:05:18
about
1:05:19
the
1:05:19
character
1:05:19
nature
1:05:19
of
1:05:20
God
1:05:20
and
1:05:20
what
1:05:20
we
1:05:20
understand
1:05:20
by
1:05:21
love
1:05:21
and
1:05:21
all
1:05:21
those
1:05:22
things
1:05:22
too.
1:05:22
Well,
1:05:23
then
1:05:23
I'm
1:05:23
making
1:05:23
a
1:05:23
last
1:05:24
pop
1:05:24
culture
1:05:25
tie
1:05:25
in
1:05:25
and
1:05:26
an
1:05:26
episode
1:05:26
I
1:05:26
hope
1:05:27
to
1:05:27
do
1:05:27
at
1:05:27
some
1:05:27
point.
1:05:28
The
1:05:28
politics
1:05:29
of
1:05:29
the
1:05:29
Pixar
1:05:30
film
1:05:30
A
1:05:31
Bug's
1:05:31
Life,
1:05:32
where
1:05:32
they
1:05:33
do
1:05:33
overcome
1:05:34
their
1:05:34
version
1:05:34
of
1:05:34
Mr.
1:05:35
Orange
1:05:36
through
1:05:36
relationship.
1:05:37
The
1:05:37
ants
1:05:38
learn
1:05:38
that
1:05:38
if
1:05:39
they
1:05:39
there's
1:05:40
more
1:05:40
of
1:05:40
them,
1:05:40
if
1:05:40
they
1:05:40
work
1:05:41
in
1:05:41
relationship,
1:05:42
that
1:05:42
numbers
1:05:43
defeat,
1:05:43
no
1:05:43
matter
1:05:44
how
1:05:44
powerful
1:05:45
the
1:05:45
grasshoppers
1:05:45
are.
1:05:46
And
1:05:46
It's
1:05:47
a
1:05:47
powerful
1:05:47
political
1:05:47
message
1:05:48
that
1:05:48
I
1:05:48
think
1:05:48
we
1:05:48
need
1:05:48
to
1:05:48
talk
1:05:49
about
1:05:49
on,
1:05:49
like,
1:05:49
a
1:05:49
primarily
1:05:49
political
1:05:50
episode
1:05:50
or
1:05:50
something
1:05:50
one
1:05:51
day.
1:05:52
It's
1:05:52
a
1:05:52
great
1:05:53
movie,
1:05:53
honestly,
1:05:54
but
1:05:54
that's
1:05:55
not
1:05:55
what
1:05:55
we're
1:05:55
here
1:05:55
to
1:05:55
talk
1:05:55
about.
1:05:56
We're
1:05:56
here
1:05:56
wrapping
1:05:57
up
1:05:57
our
1:05:57
Mr.
1:05:57
Purple
1:05:58
talk.
1:05:58
Thank
1:05:59
you
1:05:59
guys
1:05:59
so
1:06:00
much
1:06:00
for
1:06:00
joining
1:06:01
us.
1:06:01
This
1:06:01
was
1:06:01
a
1:06:01
lot
1:06:01
of
1:06:01
fun.
1:06:02
I
1:06:02
know
1:06:02
it
1:06:02
was
1:06:02
a
1:06:02
big
1:06:03
homework
1:06:03
assignment,
1:06:03
reading
1:06:04
and
1:06:04
watching,
1:06:04
but
1:06:04
I
1:06:04
think
1:06:04
it
1:06:04
was
1:06:05
a
1:06:05
fun,
1:06:05
fun
1:06:05
homework
1:06:05
assignment.
1:06:07
We're
1:06:07
gonna
1:06:07
stay
1:06:07
after
1:06:08
a
1:06:08
little
1:06:08
bit
1:06:08
to
1:06:09
do
1:06:09
an
1:06:09
extra
1:06:09
question
1:06:10
for
1:06:10
our
1:06:10
patrons,
1:06:11
which
1:06:11
is
1:06:11
just
1:06:12
what
1:06:12
would
1:06:12
we
1:06:12
do
1:06:12
if
1:06:13
we
1:06:13
had
1:06:13
Mr.
1:06:13
Purple's
1:06:14
power?
1:06:14
So
1:06:14
that'd
1:06:14
be
1:06:15
a
1:06:15
fun
1:06:15
one.
1:06:15
But
1:06:16
for
1:06:16
now,
1:06:16
though,
1:06:16
we're
1:06:16
gonna
1:06:16
give
1:06:17
a
1:06:17
recommendation
1:06:18
for
1:06:18
everyone.
1:06:18
If
1:06:18
you
1:06:18
had
1:06:19
to
1:06:19
recommend
1:06:19
a
1:06:20
show,
1:06:20
movie,
1:06:21
comic
1:06:21
book,
1:06:21
literally
1:06:22
anything.
1:06:23
Will,
1:06:23
what
1:06:23
are
1:06:23
you
1:06:23
recommending
1:06:24
for
1:06:24
those
1:06:24
listening
1:06:25
or
1:06:25
watching?
1:06:26
Go
1:06:27
find
1:06:27
Emperor
1:06:28
Doom
1:06:28
on
1:06:29
Marvel
1:06:29
Unlimited
1:06:30
or
1:06:30
Amazon.
1:06:31
I
1:06:31
think
1:06:31
a
1:06:31
pretty
1:06:31
expensive
1:06:31
original
1:06:33
copies.
1:06:34
But
1:06:34
Emperor
1:06:34
Doom,
1:06:35
Doom's
1:06:35
big
1:06:35
right
1:06:35
now.
1:06:36
He's
1:06:36
hot.
1:06:36
And
1:06:37
then
1:06:37
you
1:06:37
have
1:06:37
Mr.
1:06:37
Purple.
1:06:38
So
1:06:39
see
1:06:39
how
1:06:39
Mr.
1:06:40
Doom,
1:06:40
Dr.
1:06:40
Doom,
1:06:41
manipulates
1:06:42
Mr.
1:06:42
Purple
1:06:43
for
1:06:43
their
1:06:44
own
1:06:44
selfish
1:06:44
reasons.
1:06:45
Yeah,
1:06:46
mine's
1:06:46
gonna
1:06:47
be.
1:06:48
If
1:06:49
you
1:06:49
got
1:06:49
the
1:06:49
time,
1:06:49
go
1:06:50
to
1:06:50
YouTube,
1:06:51
find
1:06:51
the
1:06:51
videos
1:06:52
for
1:06:52
Kingdom
1:06:52
Hearts
1:06:53
Unchained
1:06:53
or
1:06:53
Kingdom
1:06:54
Hearts
1:06:54
X,
1:06:55
and
1:06:55
literally
1:06:55
just
1:06:56
watch
1:06:56
the
1:06:56
story.
1:06:57
It's
1:06:57
not
1:06:57
worth
1:06:57
trying
1:06:57
to
1:06:58
play
1:06:58
those
1:06:58
games
1:06:58
because
1:06:58
they're
1:06:59
mobile
1:06:59
games.
1:06:59
The
1:07:00
story,
1:07:00
however,
1:07:01
super
1:07:01
worth
1:07:01
it.
1:07:01
It's
1:07:02
great.
1:07:02
A
1:07:02
lot
1:07:02
of
1:07:02
fun
1:07:02
lore.
1:07:03
Nick,
1:07:04
what
1:07:04
about
1:07:05
you?
1:07:05
What's
1:07:05
a
1:07:05
recommendation
1:07:06
leave
1:07:06
for
1:07:06
everybody?
1:07:07
Keeping
1:07:07
it
1:07:07
with
1:07:07
this
1:07:08
kind
1:07:08
of
1:07:08
idea
1:07:08
of
1:07:08
power
1:07:09
and
1:07:09
things
1:07:09
like
1:07:10
that.
1:07:10
You
1:07:11
know,
1:07:11
the
1:07:12
Buffy
1:07:12
comics,
1:07:13
the
1:07:13
ones
1:07:13
that
1:07:13
are
1:07:13
like
1:07:14
the
1:07:14
different
1:07:14
seasons,
1:07:15
you
1:07:15
know,
1:07:16
exploring
1:07:17
what
1:07:17
it
1:07:17
means
1:07:17
for
1:07:17
Buffy
1:07:18
to
1:07:18
be
1:07:18
free
1:07:19
from
1:07:19
the
1:07:19
watchers.
1:07:20
And
1:07:20
there's
1:07:21
this
1:07:21
kind
1:07:21
of
1:07:21
interplay
1:07:21
of,
1:07:22
like,
1:07:22
Buffy
1:07:22
becoming
1:07:23
an
1:07:23
authority.
1:07:24
Like,
1:07:24
what
1:07:24
does
1:07:24
that
1:07:24
mean?
1:07:25
This
1:07:25
interplay
1:07:25
of
1:07:25
power
1:07:26
and
1:07:26
what
1:07:26
determines
1:07:27
what's
1:07:27
good
1:07:27
and
1:07:27
what's
1:07:28
not.
1:07:28
So,
1:07:28
yeah,
1:07:29
those.
1:07:29
The
1:07:29
Buffy
1:07:29
comics
1:07:30
generally
1:07:31
are
1:07:31
pretty
1:07:31
good
1:07:32
past
1:07:32
the
1:07:32
show.
1:07:33
Well,
1:07:33
I'm
1:07:33
cheating.
1:07:33
Give
1:07:34
another
1:07:34
recommendation
1:07:34
because
1:07:34
you
1:07:35
reminded
1:07:35
me.
1:07:37
Speaking
1:07:37
of
1:07:38
comics,
1:07:38
graphic
1:07:39
novels,
1:07:39
stuff
1:07:40
like
1:07:40
that,
1:07:40
they
1:07:41
are
1:07:41
finally
1:07:41
making
1:07:42
reprints
1:07:42
of
1:07:42
the
1:07:42
old
1:07:43
Dead
1:07:43
Space
1:07:43
graphic
1:07:44
novels.
1:07:45
So
1:07:46
I
1:07:46
just
1:07:46
say,
1:07:47
come
1:07:47
in
1:07:47
March.
1:07:48
By
1:07:48
the
1:07:48
time
1:07:48
this
1:07:48
releases,
1:07:49
they
1:07:49
probably
1:07:49
will
1:07:50
have
1:07:50
the
1:07:50
first
1:07:50
reprint
1:07:51
of
1:07:51
volume
1:07:51
one
1:07:51
of
1:07:51
the
1:07:51
Dead
1:07:51
Space
1:07:52
Graphic
1:07:52
novels.
1:07:52
And
1:07:53
those
1:07:53
are
1:07:53
great
1:07:53
stories,
1:07:54
so
1:07:54
check
1:07:55
them
1:07:55
out.
1:07:55
I'm
1:07:55
really
1:07:55
trying
1:07:56
to
1:07:56
get
1:07:56
more
1:07:56
people
1:07:56
on
1:07:56
our
1:07:56
show
1:07:57
to
1:07:57
check
1:07:57
out
1:07:57
so
1:07:57
I
1:07:57
can
1:07:57
do
1:07:58
an
1:07:58
episode
1:07:58
about
1:07:58
it
1:07:58
because
1:07:59
it's
1:07:59
fun.
1:07:59
Guys,
1:08:00
if
1:08:00
you're
1:08:00
on
1:08:00
a
1:08:00
laptop,
1:08:00
please
1:08:00
consider
1:08:01
rating,
1:08:01
reviewing
1:08:01
our
1:08:01
show,
1:08:01
podcasts,
1:08:02
good
1:08:02
pods,
1:08:02
all
1:08:03
that
1:08:03
kind
1:08:03
of
1:08:03
stuff.
1:08:03
It'll
1:08:03
help
1:08:04
our
1:08:04
show
1:08:04
gain
1:08:04
recognition,
1:08:05
making
1:08:05
it
1:08:05
easier
1:08:05
to
1:08:05
find
1:08:05
in
1:08:05
search
1:08:06
engines
1:08:06
like
1:08:06
Google
1:08:06
and
1:08:07
those
1:08:07
kind
1:08:07
of
1:08:07
things.
1:08:08
If
1:08:08
you're
1:08:08
on
1:08:08
your
1:08:08
phone,
1:08:09
consider
1:08:09
rating,
1:08:09
reviewing,
1:08:09
or
1:08:10
commenting
1:08:10
on
1:08:10
Apple
1:08:11
Podcasts
1:08:11
or
1:08:11
on
1:08:11
Spotify.
1:08:12
Either
1:08:12
of
1:08:12
those
1:08:12
is
1:08:13
going
1:08:13
to
1:08:13
help
1:08:13
prioritize
1:08:13
our
1:08:13
show
1:08:14
in
1:08:14
those
1:08:14
apps
1:08:15
algorithms,
1:08:15
which
1:08:15
is
1:08:15
where
1:08:15
most
1:08:16
people
1:08:16
list
1:08:16
the
1:08:16
podcast.
1:08:17
So
1:08:17
thank
1:08:17
you
1:08:17
guys
1:08:18
so
1:08:18
much
1:08:18
in
1:08:18
advance
1:08:19
for
1:08:19
your
1:08:19
Support
1:08:19
and
1:08:20
those
1:08:20
10
1:08:20
seconds
1:08:21
of
1:08:21
free
1:08:21
support
1:08:22
that
1:08:22
you
1:08:22
can
1:08:22
give
1:08:22
us
1:08:23
with
1:08:23
that
1:08:23
little
1:08:24
bit
1:08:24
of
1:08:24
time.
1:08:24
And
1:08:25
again,
1:08:25
we
1:08:25
want
1:08:25
to
1:08:25
thank
1:08:25
our
1:08:26
sponsors
1:08:27
from
1:08:27
Apple,
1:08:28
Podcast,
1:08:28
Captivate
1:08:29
and
1:08:29
Patreon.
1:08:29
Today
1:08:29
we're
1:08:29
specifically
1:08:30
shouting
1:08:30
out
1:08:30
Russell
1:08:31
Gentry.
1:08:31
We
1:08:31
love
1:08:32
you,
1:08:32
Russell.
1:08:32
And
1:08:33
remember,
1:08:34
if
1:08:34
you
1:08:34
like
1:08:34
your
1:08:34
own
1:08:34
shout
1:08:35
out,
1:08:35
you
1:08:35
too
1:08:35
can
1:08:36
support
1:08:36
our
1:08:36
show
1:08:36
for
1:08:36
$3
1:08:37
a
1:08:37
month
1:08:37
on
1:08:37
one
1:08:37
of
1:08:37
those
1:08:37
three
1:08:37
platforms,
1:08:38
Apple,
1:08:38
podcast,
1:08:39
Captivate,
1:08:39
or
1:08:40
Patreon.
1:08:40
And
1:08:41
remember,
1:08:41
we
1:08:42
are
1:08:42
all
1:08:42
a
1:08:43
chosen
1:08:43
people,
1:08:44
a
1:08:44
geekdom
1:08:44
of
1:08:45
priests.