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Misadventures of an Accidental Activist · UK Column Radio

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I'd like to welcome today to UK column the wonderful Rachel
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Matthews, who made a big impact with Colchester Council.
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Watch in I think it's 2022 wasn't.
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It Yeah, it was 2023, yeah. You've been going for quite a
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while, although you've stepped back a little bit because you've
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written this amazing book, which we'll be talking about later.
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It's the misadventures of an accidental activist, which is
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what you are, Rachel, an accidental activist, because you
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didn't mean your life to be taking this, this, this
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particular trajectory. But there we are.
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That happens to all of us, doesn't it?
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So yeah, we've, we've all got our stories.
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So let me just sort of like what what's happened at the moment
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you've stepped back a little bit from council watch because you
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had a really tough time with the council, didn't you?
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Because they just don't listen, do they?
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And you feel, so you're, you're literally banging your head
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against a brick wall. So tell us about that.
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Yes, well, I, I tried to step back and then I made the fatal
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error of just coming back for one last video because I wanted
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to inform people about Gov UK one login and how that's the
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real digital ID infrastructure. Forget brick card, that's sort
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of a bit of a smokescreen in many ways.
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And then before I knew I've ended up doing about another 5
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or 6 videos. But anyway, I am quickly getting
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myself back out of it. But with regards to Colchester
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Council, yes, we went in with the very best of intentions to
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because we thought that they don't come across the types of
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information that we do on the alternative media platforms.
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And they certainly weren't aware of how not green EV's are and
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solar panels, they're not anywhere near as good as they're
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purported to be. And then there's the fire
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hazards and the child slave labour and all of the nasties
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that you come across when you really dig down deep into it.
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So we thought, well, you know, they don't usually have this
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information. So if we give them that
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information and then they know what we know, they won't do what
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they're saying they're going to do.
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And then of course, you, you turn up and you've done this
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yourself, Sandy. You turn up, you, you tell them
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all this information, you give them the evidence.
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Then it falls on deaf ears and you think, hang on a minute,
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what's going on? So then you go back and you go
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going back and you think, surely they must get it by now.
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And then eventually it dawns on you that, oh, they're following
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a specific agenda and they're going to do what they want to do
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regardless of what we sort of what information we give them.
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Yes, exactly. And you know that.
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Do you did you notice? I mean that there is this this
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ridiculous kind of the way that they they treat the people is,
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is really they, they almost, they scorn you and they put you
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down and they, they name call and it's, it's really this awful
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hierarchy. It's almost like they're
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behaving in the same way as our parliament behaves.
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And, you know, in some ways corporate corporations behave
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where they have this high hierarchy and the people just
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don't get any, any say whatsoever.
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So it's not, it's not a democratic process, is it?
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No, but actually our council were very clever because they
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were always ever so polite. You really thought they'd listen
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to you and then they'd just go off and do something else.
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Now doing Council Watch, we've seen many different councils up
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and down the country and they've been absolutely dreadful,
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exactly as you describe. But Colchester weren't, because
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although they've relabeled themselves a city at heart, it's
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really a town, a market town. And yeah, it had a market town
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kind of counsellors and they were very nice.
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The vast majority of them, you know, I can count on one hand
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the ones that I just used to roll my eyes at.
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So they were good people, really trying to do their best, but
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without the knowledge. So I was convinced that we must
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be able to get through to them if we went in calmly and with
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evidence. And we did to a degree.
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But we didn't reach the ones that were running the council,
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we reached the ones that were the opposition and of course,
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completely powerless. So in many respects it was sort
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of pointless. But at the same time, at least
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it brought the conversation about EVs out into the public
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and solar panels and all the rest in a way that it hadn't
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been done before. And certainly with the work
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you'd done, because it was fascinating that three of us
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went into the council at the same time.
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We went in January, then Thetford went in March I think,
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and you went in March and then we went back again in June.
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So complete. None of us.
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Well, I knew of you, but we hadn't met at that point.
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So completely separately, we'd all gone in at more or less the
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same time and done exactly the same thing.
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And all the videos went viral. So it was very much like Council
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Watch was meant to be. It didn't matter which ones of
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us did it, and we all did it together at roughly the same
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time, which there's always quite fascinated.
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Very interesting. It's almost like there's that
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there was that almost that tipping point of, of collective
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consciousness that yes, that suddenly everybody just about
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went off and, and decided at the same time and, and often this is
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the way movements work. You've you've got this almost
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collective consciousness that happens and very interesting.
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And also it's common sense because you can't get through to
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government, you will never change them.
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But the boots on the ground are the council, they're the ones
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you do have a shot at. So it's actually a very logical,
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strategic thing to do. If only it worked.
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So were there any wins at all in that, in that, in that whole
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conversation with your council? Tiny ones.
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Karina had the best results because she went in over 5G.
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And as Ian Jarvis and many others have discovered, they
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were signing off on these installations using companies
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the names of which had been dissolved.
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So the safety certificates, technically I would say a
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fraudulent if you'll put it. And these, you know, this has
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been going on for years up and down the country.
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It wasn't just Colchester, it was everywhere.
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If you're using a safety certificate with a company
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that's been dissolved, who's liable?
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And you would. We thought this was really cut
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and dried because really in some respects the councils are
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opening themselves up for liability.
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I would have thought they're the, the planning authority,
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they should be checking the details, although they denied
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it. And we were having these
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ridiculous conversations backwards and forwards like, Oh
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no, it's not our job. Hang on a minute.
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You're you're the local planning authority.
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If it's not your job to check planning applications, whose job
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is it? And even the Planning
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Inspectorate said it's your local authority.
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And you think, yes, So we just had, she had a whole year battle
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to get them to say, ohh, OK, then we won't accept any more
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certificates using the names of companies that don't exist.
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And you think that should have been done in the very first time
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she presented the evidence, a whole year of battling.
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So yes, that is a tiny win because as you know, Sandy, the
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ICNRP guidelines, which is, I forget what that acronym stands
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for exactly, but it's something about non ionizing radiation.
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Those guidelines are next to useless, not completely, but
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they're not great. And to not even follow those, it
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is just ridiculous. So as I say, it's a very tiny
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win and good on Karina for her persistence.
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Yeah, I mean my, my, my experience with IGNER is that
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they are simply a gatekeeping, you know, organization just lip
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service to to anyone that's got any worries about 5G.
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They don't do, they don't address the problem at all,
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ever. No.
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And I just, I think that they're pretty useless, really.
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And they're there for a reason. And that is for them for for big
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communications companies to get away with murder.
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So, yeah, not not good. So.
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So you let's go back to your, your, the beginning of your
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experience with. I mean, I, I read your book
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because you're very kindly let me read it first because you've,
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you've actually mentioned me how many times?
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That's so such a absolutely. Two times I looked up last
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night. I don't know how I managed to
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mention you quite that number of times, although you were very
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instrumental in in my waking up journey and also all the work
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and research you've done on Agenda 2030.
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I think there's a lot of a book saying, well, Sandy discovered
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this and she says this. So because what the idea of the
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book is a pink pill book to help people that are beginning to
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question things wake up a bit. Because what I do is I walk them
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through my wake up journey because if you tell everybody
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everything in one go, it's too much information.
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So I've kind of helped them by the hand they go.
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And then I discovered this and then I discovered that.
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So it's a whole trail of bread crumbs.
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It's just one. Just library it's, it's
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fantastic. I mean, I, I have to say it's
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very easy to read and I, when you sent it to me, you said,
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look, I've mentioned you here, here, here and here and you, you
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gave me the sort of the, the, you know, the way of getting
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into each one. But I actually read it all
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because I started reading it and I thought this is really good.
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I wanted to it was, it was almost like a, a story which was
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really, really interesting to read.
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And it starts off with obviously you.
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Well, it starts off with you, your interview that you did at
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UK column in Bristol, which is really the end, isn't it?
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It's kind of towards the end, but you put it at the beginning
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because it's a really good way of doing it.
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But it goes into your book. Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh, that's what started the
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book. Oh well that's good.
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I didn't did that They. They UK column very kindly
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invited me to be one of the speakers at the event live event
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in Bristol and I did my speech because I've never spoken for
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that length of time before. I've done 15 minutes when Clive
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de Karl invited me to his London thing, but I didn't.
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I'd never so to I'd written all these notes and things and I
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just getting all these downloads of things, I must say right up
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until the event itself. So I'd made all these notes and
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then when it came to do it, it was very difficult to cram
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everything I wanted to say into a 45 minute speech.
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And I was kind of, I mean, people say, oh, you, you did
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well. And it was like, oh, thank God I
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didn't fall off the stage or do anything too embarrassing.
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But it was, I was a bit frustrated that I hadn't been
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able to communicate everything I wanted to say.
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And then on the drive home, it occurred to me everything I
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wanted to say would fill an entire book.
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So here we are. And that that's the trouble is
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if it, when you do only speak for a short amount of time and
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let's face it, 40 minutes to explain, you know where, where
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you've come from and where your journey is.
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It's very difficult and a book is the best way to do it.
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And I've, I've learned that mine still only half to 3/4 written,
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but even then, I don't know whether 3/4 is enough.
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So you know, or, or how much I've gotta do.
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So we, so you, you ended up what happened was really what woke
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you up was being in Spain, wasn't it during lockdown.
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Can you explain a little bit more about that?
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Because I've found that really fascinating.
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Yes, they were not messing about with the Spanish lockdown.
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I think if I'd have been in England I wouldn't have woken up
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because it wouldn't have impacted my life.
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But out there we weren't even allowed to go out for exercise
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for nearly three months. You had to go to the nearest
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supermarket and when you came out there was armed police on
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the streets, there was army, they were going through your
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shopping to check you'd only gone out for essentials.
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And also there was a €600 fine if they caught anybody doing
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anything they shouldn't do. And one thing they were really
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cracking down on was foreigners who'd been in the country far
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too long, of which I happened to be 1, because in February I sent
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my passport back to England with friends to be renewed, and
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another friend was going to bring it back in the middle of
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March. And you can probably guess.
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Oh well, that little plan turned out.
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So there I was, stranded in Spain with no means of escape
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and no means of formal identity identification.
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So if they had stopped me, I would have probably had a €2000
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fine and would have been in an awful lot of trouble and would
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have had an awful lot of explaining to do.
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So I was completely stranded there.
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Whether I liked it or not. Everybody I knew in the area had
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legged it back to England, so there was nobody to talk to.
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All I'd got was the Internet and I did lots of researching.
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But you know, after about 3 weeks, I was really sort of
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like, what's going on? Because they're stopping and
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doing all the things that create health.
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And in Spain, everyone goes for their morning strolls and their
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afternoon and it's a very outside life kind of country
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and, and being out in the sun and walking and exercise
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integral to good health and and socialising.
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Yes, it might have made sense to have kept suggested that the
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very weakest of society keep themselves themselves, but
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everyone that just made no sense.
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And I started muttering on Facebook and of course, you can
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imagine what happened. Everyone and their brother.
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It was a complete pile on of abuse.
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But there were one or two people that said, Rachel, you need to
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get off Facebook and come over to Telegram or signal.
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And I was like, what's that? I don't want to go there.
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But the abuse got so much in the end.
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I, I did go over to those platforms and suddenly a whole
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world was opened up to me of the types of things that, as I say
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in the book, I would have under normal circumstances, I'd have
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rolled my eyes at, but nothing was normal.
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And I just had that prickle at the back of my neck that you
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need to research this stuff. And I started to read it and
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thought, no, that can't possibly be true.
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And because I had nothing else to do, because I was literally
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locked in the house, because they had, as I say, on police
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mount. But there was also helicopter
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patrols, there were drones, there were police patrols as
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well. So there was all of this going
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on with control and around the urbanisations.
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They were coming around every 15 minutes in police patrol cars to
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make sure nobody was escaping basically.
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So you were under house arrest. So this was really making me
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start to research deeper and deeper and realise quite quickly
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all was not as we were being told.
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Yes, yes. And so how did you eventually
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escape You, you, you've you came back with your pet because your
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parents decided to move back. It was so was it was it that
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decision? It was so awful that they
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decided to move back to England as.
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Well, they weren't out there. I was completely on my own and,
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you know, Yeah. And I was sneaking out for some
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unofficial exercise because I just was going stir crazy.
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And, you know, I was having to duck behind palm trees to hide
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from the police because if they'd caught me, I'd have been
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in a lot of trouble. So yeah, I eventually, in the
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end, once I'd figured out what was going on and really
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understood things, I thought because at the time they were
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talking about having vaccine passports in order to get on an
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aeroplane, and I'd done a lot of research into those vaccines,
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and I thought, there's no way on God's earth I'm having one of
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those. So I decided I'm gonna drive
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back. But I hadn't.
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I I did say to my parents, can I bring your car back?
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And they were like, no, that's our little car for Spain.
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You can't be driving that back to England.
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We need that in Spain. So in the end, I bought myself
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this rather bizarre camper van. It's the one that's on the front
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of the book. You can just about see it.
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It's the funniest vehicle I've ever seen in my life.
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I burst out laughing when I saw it because it was so ridiculous.
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It was this Ford pickup truck with this homemade sort of
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camper bit on the back and it got these pimped up tyres.
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It was the most ridiculous vehicle for me to be driving.
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And I thought that's it. That's this thing because 4
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wheel drive it got a snorkel on the side.
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It can drive through rivers. You know, I've I've been
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campervanning through Europe before I, I've gone off pieced
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accidentally. So this this was the ultimate
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escape Spain vehicle. So I bought it and had it done
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up because the interior was quite bad and I worked my well
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to begin with, I thought, you know, I was going through worst
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case scenarios and I thought we really, I've got no life skills.
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You know, I can make gardens pretty as a garden designer, but
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when it comes to surviving, I don't have any skills at all.
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And I need to rectify that. And one of the first things I
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did was went to Italy because there was a house building
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course and it was making it with mud and straw of Cobb house
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building. The the earth, the earth bag
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houses, that was it, no. It wasn't bags, it was Cobb.
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No. So you're literally.
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It's Cobb. Yeah, with your feet and the
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straw and the clay and the sand. So yes, if the worst case
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happens, I can literally build a house with my bare hands out of
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the soil. So that's, that's the mindset I
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was in. I was so freaked out by what I
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learnt in 2020. And the work that you had done
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really just was the, the, you know, the cherry on the cake of
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linking the, the video that you did.
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It had a map of the USA and all of those corridors that they
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were going to have settle, human settlement zones, mostly
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rewilding. There was going to be military
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zones and then corridors that people were allowed to use.
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Now, I know you later told me that they had retracted that or
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said, oh, no, it was just a suggestion.
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But we know where, what they're planning, that we'll be living
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in these old cities. Yeah.
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So that really freaked me out and, and that's what made me
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think, right, you need to be out in the country.
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You can't be in the cities. You've got to be out.
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You've got to be able to survive.
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And I need some life skills. And then I accidentally got
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stranded in Italy for four months.
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But people will find out why in the book.
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There was a little bit of a mishap, let's say, but at least
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I, I, as I say, I've got those skills now, so hopefully it
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won't get that bad. But I didn't know at that point.
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I was so freaked out because I'd always thought the world was
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full of greedy people, but I didn't think it was anything
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more sinister than that. And when you really dig down
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into what's going on, it's like, oh, wow, this is a level I
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didn't even contemplate. I've lived a very sheltered life
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and I hadn't had a clue how bad things could get.
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So it's making yourself prepared because that isn't is what it
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enables me to sleep at night. If I know, you know I can, I've
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got skills, I can do stuff. So that was the mindset at the
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time anyway. Yeah, no, that's that that's,
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that's incredible really that you that you embarked upon that
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that journey and actually it's, it's continuing, isn't it?
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Because you're you're learning even more skills now because
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you're thinking of buying some land, I believe and just.
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Yeah, I mean, you can see the net is closing you, can't you?
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Well, yes, I mean, funnily enough, it was one of the fellow
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speakers at the UK Coal and Bristol event, Claire Wills
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Harrison. Because I didn't know most of
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the people that were speaking. So when I got invited, I thought
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I really need to know who everyone is.
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So I started following them all on Twitter and she was the
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speaker on after Me. And it's really funny that in
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the entire year I followed her, I rarely saw her posts.
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And recently I've kind of pulled back from Twitter and didn't
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want to be on it much. And then the odd time I did go
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on, suddenly I would see all of her posts and she started
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talking about why the ECHR might actually be beneficial for us
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with avoiding digital ID when everybody else online is saying
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no, we need to come out of the ECHR.
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She had a different thought. Oh, that's interesting.
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So the more of her work I read and then.
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Horror of horrors, I read about Gov UK one login and being a
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company director. That was something I thought was
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a foregone conclusion. I just thought, oh, you know, I
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haven't got time to shut my company down.
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I'm I'm stuck, I'm going to have to do it.
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But I hadn't realised the depth. And in her sub stack
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conscientious currency, she really spells out, doesn't
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matter which route you go, even if it's going through your
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accountant to verify your identity, the information is
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still going in the back, same back end.
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You will still end up with this digital twin with this
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verification code. No matter how you do it, you're
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in trouble. So talk about, I don't know,
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divine guidance or timing that I suddenly start reading her
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material after, you know, as I say, following every year and
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never seeing anything from her that I happen to tune in just at
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the right moment. And as a result, I am shutting
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my company down. And when you really think about
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it, you realise that with all the government services going
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through Gov UK one login, everything from DVLA to Land
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Registry to health and you know absolutely everything is going
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to be in it. Everything's in one place.
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Yeah, also there and no doubt you've all discussed on UK
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column, it's lost its security certification.
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They're hiring people from Romania, which has one of the
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highest cybercrime areas that you can be in to do the
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programming is not secure. It's lost its safety.
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So you're putting all of your data, including your biometrics
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in one place isn't secure just because the government tell you
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so. That is why I'm shutting my
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company down. So thanks thankfully to to UK
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column and introducing me to Claire who's who's educated me
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enough. And if people have inadvertently
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signed in to Gov UK, one login for the driver's licence or
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whatever is not too late. It's only mandatory from 2027.
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So you can withdraw your data and write to them because at the
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moment you still have a right to be forgotten.
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So you can get your data taken out.
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But the longer you leave it, the harder it's going to get.
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But the realization's beginning to dawn that at some point
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you're not going to be able to have a bank account.
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You're not going to be able to drive.
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And when I first started going through everything that she has
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shared and it, the penny really dropped of, oh, I thought I had
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till 2030 till I had to worry about this.
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And no, it's 2027, I started it. You freak out when you realize
22:58
how many systems are LinkedIn and that you won't be able to do
23:01
anything. So what I did was I went through
23:04
one at a time, and it's like, OK, what's the worst case?
23:07
If you can't drive? What would you do?
23:10
And is it that bad? And it's like, well, actually,
23:15
if I couldn't drive, you know, they're making driving so
23:18
difficult and so expensive anyway, would it be the end of
23:22
the world? It'd probably be cheaper if I
23:23
didn't have a car and I, the only thing I need a car for
23:26
really is getting to my parents. And as they're getting elderly,
23:28
I'd probably have to move in with them to look after them
23:31
anyway. So if we've got medical
23:33
appointments to go to, we can get a taxi.
23:35
And if there was a medical emergency, if the neighbors
23:38
couldn't take me, it's not that I couldn't get in a car and
23:41
drive them to a hospital, I just wouldn't be able to do so
23:43
legally. So I could still drive them if I
23:46
absolutely had to. So when I looked at it, each
23:49
thing, each part of my life that I was so like, Oh my God, I'm
23:52
going to have to sign up for this.
23:54
When I went through each one individually, it's like,
23:56
actually, no, you don't. The hard one is if they take
24:00
away your your bank account and they won't ever say you can't
24:03
have a bank account. They will say you've got to have
24:07
BeenVerified to have one. And it it's so my mind is sort
24:11
of going into all of the stuff of OK, some land would be very
24:15
beneficial and. You know, you can get into it
24:18
later, but you know, at the end of the book I talk about how we
24:21
must help home schooling and help get the next generation out
24:25
of their cultures and to have some land where people can bring
24:29
their children and you know, they can bring whatever teacher
24:33
they want and learn out in the open from the things that are
24:36
relevant for life skills. So the next generation hasn't
24:42
been brainwashed and they've got real world skills.
24:45
Having a woodland and a bit of land and teaching in Horshburg
24:47
and food and, and herbalism is all that type of stuff.
24:52
Some land would be very useful for that.
24:54
And also if you haven't got a bank account, you're going to
24:57
need to have stuff. So either land or, or things
25:01
that you can barter with. So my head has gone through the
25:05
worst case scenario. And what can I do to counteract
25:10
that, to mitigate that and do everything in my power not to
25:13
get sucked into this system? So that's kind of, I don't live
25:17
in the in the darkest place of where things could go, but I do
25:21
feel it's a healthy exercise just to dip into it and look at
25:24
the worst, you know, plan for the worst, hope for the best.
25:27
So it's like, OK, very painful to lose what little savings I
25:32
have, but if I put it into stuff that might keep me out of the
25:35
system, then actually do I want their system with their digital
25:40
ID? Because their digital currency,
25:42
chances are very high the economy is going to crash at
25:45
some point fairly soon. Our current system will be
25:49
eradicated. So they're not going to take
25:51
cash away. It'll just all go to the new
25:52
system and they won't make any cash.
25:55
So it's like if you're sucked into a system where you have to
25:59
verify yourself, if they tell people you're going to have to
26:02
have the latest injections or you know your verification will
26:06
be destroyed, there's going to come a point where you have to
26:09
make those hard decisions. So I feel it's better to do it
26:13
now. We're getting land and trying to
26:15
get communities going than it is to wait until guns held to your
26:20
head and you've got no other option.
26:22
So that's what I'm doing. It might sound quite dark and
26:24
depressing to people, but for me it's like, no, that gives me
26:28
hope. You're why you're wise to be
26:30
preparing, but at the same time we've we we almost don't want to
26:33
give in to that's that's what the kind of world they have in
26:36
mind for us where we have to we have to.
26:39
I mean, it's a bit like Ida Alkin, you know, do you remember
26:42
that? Welcome to my world in 2030.
26:45
She was, she was globally and she, yeah, she, she gave this
26:51
whole speech about what the world would be like in 20-30 and
26:56
the, the, the world that she talked about, I thought I
26:58
wouldn't want to live in that world.
27:00
And then she said, oh, what about the people in the freedom
27:02
camps? You know, they're the people
27:04
that live outside the system. And she's talking about you,
27:07
Rachel. She's talking about the people
27:09
that live outside the system who don't have access to the things
27:12
that they do. And so this is almost like, you
27:15
know, it's what you're saying is almost a fulfillment of her
27:19
their vision. But you know, is, is, is that,
27:23
does that take away from the fact that you'll still carry on
27:26
fighting for, for what we, what we actually the world we want?
27:30
And I know it's difficult because every time, every which
27:34
way you go, there's something that's, that's coming up.
27:37
It's like playing whack A mole. Every single battle we're
27:40
battling away, whether it's digital ID and, you know, all
27:43
sorts of, you know, climate change, the whole, the whole,
27:46
you know, the, the littering of our, our, our farmland with,
27:51
with renewable energy, which doesn't work and which is
27:54
costing a fortune and data centres and all the stuff that
27:57
we're fighting. You see, without, without all
28:00
that stuff, they can't get what they want.
28:03
So is it worth still, you know, I, I know what you're, you're
28:07
preparing and I think that's brilliant.
28:09
Not everyone can do that. What, what happens to the people
28:12
that don't have the benefit of having enough money to buy some
28:16
land? Or maybe they they can't, yeah,
28:18
maybe they're renting in a, a place in London.
28:21
What will they do? You know, this is, it's a very
28:25
difficult dilemma because I suppose it's, it's everyone for
28:28
themselves. And in some respects you're
28:30
doing what you, what you can do to, to save yourself.
28:35
But you know, what will happen to, to everyone.
28:39
Because what I'm thinking is if you, if you, everybody's going
28:42
rural and, and making their own lovely fields and, and, and
28:47
their own just means of sustainability when everything
28:51
goes horribly wrong in the towns, you know, when all this
28:54
kicks in, will they be all coming into the rural areas and
28:59
what will happen then? It's a bit worrying really,
29:01
isn't it? It is, but it's kind of, I think
29:04
you can do, you're kind of doing both because the world they're
29:08
wanting to create, I don't want to be in.
29:10
So in some respects there's no choice.
29:13
But the world I want to create, we can do that within our
29:16
communities that are outside that system.
29:19
The the way everything is getting digitalized.
29:22
And you know, I've been, you know, I've earned my living for
29:24
the last 16 years doing online educating with garden design
29:29
courses. So I've got to the point where
29:32
I've kind of had enough of the digital.
29:34
It would be really nice to, to be doing real things and real
29:40
skills. So I'm, I'm kind of ready to go
29:42
back to a more natural way of living and it's not going to
29:45
suit everybody. And you know, I, I have had a
29:48
heartbreaking comment on one of the videos where a lady said
29:52
that, you know, I'm living in a council house, I'm on disability
29:56
benefit. I've got no way out and I'm
29:59
having sleepless nights because I don't want to do this and I
30:02
can't see a way out. And not everyone is in a
30:05
position to buy land. I don't even know if I will be
30:08
able to, whether there will be time, whether it will even be
30:11
possible. That's my plan A.
30:13
My Plan B is I'm going to have to sort stuff out right here.
30:16
And you know, I'm not actually planning to live on the land.
30:19
I'm planning to have land to, to work on it.
30:21
But if enough of us can get together with land and get
30:25
enough growing, enough food we need, we're gonna need people to
30:28
help us. And those people, you know, that
30:30
Lady that's on the disability benefits doesn't mean to say
30:33
that she's not a valuable part of society that can't come and
30:36
help us. And you know, we might be
30:39
someone might have a spare static caravan.
30:41
It's not going to be anywhere near as nice as the the council
30:44
house, but at least she's free. So she can come and maybe look
30:48
after the kids or be knitting something.
30:49
Whatever her skills are, she is still of use, as are the older
30:53
generation because none of us are getting any younger.
30:55
This needs to be a multi generational sort of coalesced
31:00
group thing of coming together. And I'm not talking about
31:04
communes and living together because that doesn't tend to
31:07
work. I'm talking about people trying
31:09
to buy land near each other or if there was a little hamlet or
31:14
a village, small village where the majority of people were
31:17
awake. You could do an awful lot if you
31:19
had your own parish council and your own little area.
31:22
Imagine if you could get a whole town that was pretty much wide
31:26
awake and could just say no to everything.
31:28
If you could get a town council, even if it's a tiny one, just to
31:33
stand up and say no, it's because we've got these amazing
31:36
communities online. We need to get them offline.
31:39
And it's it's almost like we could do with a little map of
31:44
the trouble is, how would you share it without the powers that
31:47
shouldn't be getting hold of it? It's like we're the most wide
31:50
awake places in England and we all have our little refugees and
31:54
sort of come together. So it's working together
31:56
separately to create the world we want to create.
32:01
And it's, there needs to be enough of us that we can, that
32:04
they or, you know, the, whatever the right quantity is that
32:07
they're going to just let us get on with it.
32:09
But I don't know that they will. This may not even be possible.
32:13
But my gut feeling is we must at least try and do everything in
32:17
our power not to be part of that system.
32:19
Because if we just acquiesce, we are setting up future
32:23
generations. So I may fail because, you know,
32:27
I've, I've gone through and it was in many ways quite an
32:30
uncomfortable mental conversation to be having with
32:33
myself and looking at what all my weak spots are like.
32:36
Where am I going to break? What's the most I'm willing to
32:39
do to get out of this system? And it's been quite
32:42
uncomfortable seeing that side of myself.
32:45
And I mean to go, OK, but it's good because I know where my
32:48
weak spots are now. So I'm now trying to mitigate
32:51
them and go, OK, I can see that, you know, you know, you're not
32:55
going to be going without with without food for long love.
32:58
You know, let's make sure I can I can sort that out and just do
33:02
everything. And if enough of us do
33:04
everything, but I I don't know if enough people turn around
33:08
right now and say on your bike to everything digital, but
33:12
they're not. They're being tippy toed into it
33:15
like the company directors. Most have no clue what Gov UK
33:19
one login is. And that's the thing.
33:21
They're going to tippy toe into it without even realising.
33:23
We're all just being so it's my main thing is if people with I
33:29
mean, that's why I wrote the book to wake people up to give
33:33
them because I can't be doing council watch.
33:35
It was financially crippling to put every last minute of every
33:38
last day into getting the message out.
33:41
I can't do that anymore. And and also.
33:43
It's, it's not, it's not. In fact, it's, it's a waste, not
33:48
a waste of your time, but it's not, it's not cost effective
33:51
because if you were getting results, that would be different
33:53
because you would see an end game.
33:55
But if you're not getting results, it's not, it's not
33:58
worth it, is it? All that money being on the
34:01
editing and everything that you were doing your time, it's not
34:04
worth it. So you're putting it into. 44
34:06
weeks with it. Yeah.
34:07
And it's where's the book? People can pass it along to
34:10
people. And that's my parting shot.
34:13
Like, OK, if this doesn't wake you up, nothing will.
34:15
And it's done very gently so that people that are beginning
34:18
to, I mean, some people you're never going to get through.
34:20
But those that are beginning to question, their gut tells them
34:23
something's wrong. Perfect Christmas present for
34:25
those people. If enough people become aware
34:29
then then we've got a really good shot at this.
34:31
But most people just want an easy life and as you said with
34:36
the agentic state, they will go along with what authority tells
34:39
them. I don't know how bad it's going
34:41
to have to be. But regardless of what other
34:43
people do, if we have got small towns and villages that are back
34:47
to the old ways of maybe having to barter or we come up with our
34:50
own currency, or we do whatever we've got, we've created
34:53
somewhere. Those people, when they really
34:55
are desperate to leave, they can come and join us when they're
34:58
ready. So we are helping whatever we do
35:01
to not buy. Have you have you got a group of
35:04
people that are all buying land near each other?
35:07
Is is that what's? Happening not yet, but that's
35:10
something I want to put the the message out.
35:12
I mean, I was chatting to my dad's electrician and I think
35:15
someone he knows is him and four of his friends are buying land
35:18
and they're gonna put static caravans on it.
35:21
And they're already they're in their 20s.
35:23
They're already working out how they can get out because they
35:26
can see what's coming. So I said to him, where are they
35:29
buying the land? And he said, oh, I don't know
35:31
they're found anywhere. Yeah, I said, well, where they
35:33
we do, can you, can you let me know and see if they've got a
35:35
spare bit? Because, you know, these are all
35:37
young lads with useful skills. It's like, yeah, I need to live
35:40
next door to them and we all need to start doing it.
35:43
I've got various friends that are talking about it and
35:45
thinking about it. But with reading Claire's
35:48
articles on like this is going to be mandatory from 2027.
35:51
It's like we are running our time now.
35:53
It is every man, woman and child for themselves.
35:56
But at the same time looking after each other because you're
36:00
not going to be able to flee on your own.
36:02
This it has to be with like minded people that have got
36:05
similar values that we can, you know, try and help one another.
36:09
Because if enough people are out the system, then we can be
36:12
bartering things and doing stuff.
36:15
And if not, we're going to have a very, very hard time of it.
36:18
So it's kind of trying to cover all of the bases, whilst my main
36:23
thing isn't will I be alright Jack?
36:25
It's I've got to try and resist this with every last bit of me.
36:30
Because I think Richard Vobes has done the same thing, hasn't
36:33
he? He and he and of of doing
36:36
something down in Hastings and you, you sort of you're quite
36:40
close to them. You are they giving you any tips
36:43
of how to do it? Well, I've been watching the
36:46
Rich has been doing his YouTube channel, the English couple.
36:49
So every week I'm glued to it, seeing what they're up to next.
36:52
So, yeah, they've got 2 1/2 acres and it, it's not that
36:56
close to me, but it's, you know, it.
36:58
I'm, I'm thinking I need someone in like the next field close.
37:01
But yeah, it's if there's enough people close by, we can all help
37:05
each other with the harvest. And you know, if we've got older
37:10
people in our groups and younger, we need that whole mix.
37:13
It needs to be like the tribals things used to be, because the
37:16
older ones have the wisdom and the younger ones have got the
37:18
physical brown to get stuff done.
37:20
And that nice combination of bringing everybody together in a
37:25
way that works has potential. I I can't see any other way
37:29
unless everybody suddenly wakes up.
37:31
And I always hold out hope for that.
37:32
Always. But as I say, plan for the
37:35
worst, hope for the best. So I mean, at the moment, I
37:38
mean, we've got all sorts of weird things happening.
37:40
I mean, do you think it'll be more of a, a, a financial crash
37:43
that will, will bring this and then they'll bring in the
37:46
CBDC's? Because that's kind of what I'm
37:48
seeing as that as it's a grand plan is that there'll be some
37:51
sort of event that will bring everything down, a financial
37:55
crash. And then they'll, they'll just
37:57
say, right, you've got to sign up to this.
37:58
Otherwise you don't have a bank account, you don't have any
38:01
money. You don't.
38:02
Well, money disappears off the screen and they they just say
38:06
we've reset it, this is the new system login and then you can
38:10
access your money. Well, that is not for you, is it
38:13
Rachel? Quite rightly so.
38:16
You won't be doing that. So what will what?
38:18
How will you deal with money, for instance?
38:22
Well, what I'm thinking is like, OK, I need to buy stuff that I
38:26
can barter with. So, you know, I'm thinking
38:29
shipping container full of sardines and baked beans.
38:33
You know, Well, what, what are people going to need?
38:35
They're going to need ways of purifying their their water.
38:38
They're going to need medicines. And I'm good at growing things.
38:42
I've got a good understanding of medicinal plants.
38:45
So I'm looking at everything I can do.
38:48
And, you know, tools, what tools am I likely to need?
38:51
Because I think when there will probably be inflation, either
38:56
hyperinflation or big inflation. So I'm thinking, OK, buy stuff
38:59
now that's useful. Yes, I've got assets that
39:02
aren't, you know, in, in money. But then when you try and cash
39:06
those assets out, they're going to be useless because you're
39:09
going to have to go through this login system.
39:11
It I don't know which way they're going to do it.
39:13
I don't even know if I've got enough time.
39:15
But basically try and spend it and put it into stuff that will
39:19
be useful at a later date. So you just think about what
39:23
skills you've got, what things are people likely to need in the
39:26
future of value. And yeah, it did even cross my
39:30
mind, you know, shipping container full of cigarettes and
39:32
alcohol, you'd be the most popular person on the planet.
39:35
But then that doesn't really tie in with my beliefs on health.
39:39
So I'm not going to do that. But someone else might want to
39:41
do that. You know, look at what they were
39:43
swapping in World War Three, in World War 2 rather, you know, go
39:47
back in history. What do people really need?
39:50
Things like screws and nails, stuff like that and barbed wire,
39:55
you know, just to think of everything that and also stuff
39:59
you're going to need yourself. There's no point in having a
40:01
storage locker with things that you know, you thought might
40:04
people might want but they don't.
40:06
So it's what you need and then get some surplus to help other
40:09
people. Rachel, you could do a wonderful
40:11
survival guide. You know that there's another
40:14
Rachel's world of survival. I think it's amazing.
40:21
I hope I'm being ridiculously paranoid, but just in case I'm
40:25
not, I'd rather be prepared. No, I mean absolutely no, I'm,
40:29
I'm so totally with you on the whole 2027 and the, the, the
40:33
the.gov thing, the login and The thing is that it, it, it
40:37
captures, is going to capture people.
40:39
And if you, you know, the whole, the whole idea is that they just
40:43
lure you in with, you know, Ubi or, or, or you won't get your
40:48
benefits or you won't get this or you won't get that.
40:50
You won't get your pension unless you, you adhere to all
40:53
this. So, you know, I've got to think
40:55
about these things too. And I, I just, you know, it's,
40:58
it's, it is a, a massive, massive problem because no
41:02
matter what, you've got to stay true to your integrity.
41:05
And I've always done that. And to not do that wouldn't be,
41:07
would be totally alien to me. So, and, and you're the very
41:11
much the same, you know, you've got a very deep sense of, of
41:14
what you know, what you'd give up, which is amazing.
41:18
And I've always lived like that too.
41:20
So I absolutely get where you're coming from that you can't go
41:24
into a system that you're not fully aligned with because at
41:27
the end of the day, it's all about control, isn't it?
41:30
They just want control of everyone.
41:33
And, and again, it's, it's, it's leading everyone also into
41:37
further along the line with your digital twin.
41:39
That's, it's the, the, the, the, the convergence, the digital
41:43
convergence that they're human computation.
41:46
It's what they're they're bringing us through to that
41:49
whole metaverse thing and that's where they they, they really
41:53
want us to be that, you know, to lose our identity and to have
41:58
the digital twin that they can manipulate in the on the
42:01
blockchain, in the metaverse, whatever that's taking it to its
42:04
even further, you know, sort of conclusion.
42:08
And I've seen that even with locally the, the whole thing
42:13
about tourism, you know, you look at tourism and they want,
42:17
they really do want you to experience travel through a
42:22
virtual reality headset. That's, that's going on a little
42:26
bit further. And, and to not experience life
42:29
and, and, and visiting countries 'cause that will be out out of
42:33
the question. You won't be able to travel.
42:35
You certainly won't be able to travel if if you haven't got all
42:38
the, the biometrics that they want you to, to, to use like
42:41
the, you know, the brick card, whatever you want to call it.
42:44
So we will have to think about living life very differently.
42:48
And if you don't want to be an avatar, then you've got to do
42:52
what you're doing. Yeah, but really think about it
42:55
now, because there's so many people strutting around saying I
42:59
this is the hell I die on and I'm not going to have a digital
43:02
ID. And and then when it comes to,
43:04
it'd be like, oh, what do you mean I can't get my medications
43:07
or, or food or my bank account. And if that happens all at once,
43:11
they're going to have no choice but to go along with it.
43:14
Whereas you've got to start thinking about it now.
43:16
What am I willing to give up and how can I do things differently?
43:22
Unless you really face it now, you're not going to be prepared
43:26
and you know it. I mean, I, I may be, it might be
43:30
happened so quickly that I don't get a chance to do any of this.
43:33
And I'm in the same boat as everybody else.
43:34
And then it'll be like, but I think you're right with there'll
43:37
be a big event of some description because they need to
43:40
be blameless. It's like, oh, it's not our
43:42
fault this happened. Oh, well, you know, we're just
43:46
trying to save you. So people just go along blindly.
43:49
Yeah, it's like the planned epidemic.
43:51
It was, oh, you know, sorry that we've had to bankrupt, you know,
43:55
the whole world, but, you know, it was a pandemic.
43:57
What can we do? You know, it's, and yet it was
44:00
all, it was all so, so very much an acceleration of Agenda 2030.
44:06
And you can see that. You can see that even Klaus
44:09
Schwab said, you know, it's, it's provided us with the
44:11
perfect opportunity to bring in the full industrial revolution.
44:16
And how, how timely was that, You know, because they weren't
44:20
getting anywhere with climate change.
44:22
They had to accelerate it. Well, yeah, the at the end of
44:25
the book I've written about how important the home schooling is.
44:28
Now I know they're cracking down on that and making it very, very
44:30
difficult for people. But if we can get to enough
44:34
children and even their parents don't need to be awake, but
44:37
there's enough parents that are unhappy with how schooling is
44:41
and what their children are being taught that if you can
44:44
help the homeschoolers by, you know, many of us have life
44:47
skills that it's we could volunteer our time to help with
44:51
the teaching of children. Because I know so many parents
44:55
who have tried to homeschool their children just themselves.
44:58
And it's really hard going. Even if you have an excellent
45:01
relationship with your offspring, it's hard work.
45:03
You need help. So if a load of us could
45:06
volunteer our time and help these home schooling hubs or not
45:10
homeschooling, it's home education, isn't it?
45:12
In the UK, help the home educators just volunteer our
45:17
time, teach the children life, schools, life skills and also
45:21
how to do like things like emotional freedom technique,
45:24
which I talk about in the book. So they've got the coping
45:26
mechanisms, they've got emotional intelligence and
45:29
critical thinking and life skills.
45:32
Then we could turn this around in a generation or two.
45:35
If you can get enough children, it may be.
45:37
If we can't get that many children, it might take a few
45:39
more. But they are going to be the
45:41
brightest and the best and the fittest.
45:44
They will come eventually to the forefront and be leading the
45:48
way. We've just got to, you know, is
45:50
our generation that has dropped the ball.
45:52
Yes, we got a considerably low pass from the previous
45:55
generations, but we must pick it up and we must throw it as high
45:59
as we can so future generations can fix what we have allowed to
46:04
happen. But we've got to at least give
46:06
them a chance, and helping educate them will be the way
46:10
forward, I think. I think that the biggest problem
46:13
with home education, because I've been through this with my,
46:16
my son and daughter-in-law is that they, they simply haven't
46:21
got, she's a teacher, but they, they, they, they won't give up
46:25
their day jobs because they've got this to do pay for and this
46:28
to pay for and that to pay for. And I've said, well, why don't
46:31
you just live in a small house and you can, you can manage it,
46:34
but it's very, very, people cannot give up their time.
46:39
And that's, that's the problem. And it's the most important
46:41
thing I think at the moment is taking your children out of that
46:44
system. And I can't even convince my own
46:48
children to do that. So how people could, you know, a
46:52
lot of people are on the, you know, the breadline and they
46:55
might be earning on a minimum wage and the only choice they
46:58
have is to send their children to the local school.
47:01
If groups of parents come together, those that really
47:04
can't, if you and you obviously you'd have to take safeguarding
47:08
considerations, but if there was always a minimum of two or three
47:11
parents with that group, maybe a parent could say, OK, once every
47:16
two weeks I'll do my turn. And or if they really can't,
47:21
hopefully the other parents would say, look, we understand
47:24
the situation you're in, You've got to work.
47:26
We'll take care of your child and we'll make sure they get the
47:29
education. That's why I'm saying homes,
47:31
education groups and hubs and I want to pay to provide the land
47:35
for them to do that on and other people could as well.
47:38
If we can link land owners, venue owners and get groups of
47:43
parents together because you it, you know, it wasn't the saying
47:46
it takes a village to, to educate a child and you know, we
47:49
are that village. Let's help people.
47:52
Exactly. It's almost like you do have to
47:54
go back to just to, to that, that familiar, you know, it's
47:58
also families. Families have been pulled apart,
48:01
you know, by the way we live and families should be living
48:03
together and grandparents should be helping with the children
48:06
more. And I've been doing a massive
48:08
amount with mine, but I still live an hour and a quarter away.
48:11
I'm planning to move nearer and, and be able to, to, to help them
48:16
with, with schooling if they need it, you know, but it's
48:19
getting the decision made that school is not a good place for
48:23
children. And some people don't, don't get
48:26
that. They don't get it.
48:28
But hopefully, you know, as things progress, well, that is
48:32
the only way through because all the homeschooled children that I
48:35
know are so awake and so aware. And I know that that is the way
48:39
because the minute you put them in that system, they get
48:41
brainwashed. They get completely brainwashed
48:44
and they become a part of that. Don't know.
48:48
Yeah. So I yeah.
48:50
Tell us a bit more about kind of how how did you is.
48:56
I find endings really difficult, you know, how did you end this
48:59
book? Because I know I read it and I
49:02
cannot remember what the ending was.
49:04
Yeah, you got an earlier version.
49:05
Oh, that's why. That's why yes, well, actually
49:08
I, I do end on with the home schooling thing because that
49:11
about a month after I think you had read it, that dropped into
49:15
my head. But yeah, it's I, I sort of walk
49:18
people through all the things that we could do, but also the
49:22
type of world, what type of world do we want to create?
49:25
Sort of going back to what you were saying earlier, because
49:27
there is that thing of what you foresee you manifest.
49:33
So we do have to be careful not to create the world that they're
49:36
trying to create. It's so it's.
49:39
What I ask people in the book? Yeah, is what kind of world
49:42
would you like to see? Because we're always on the back
49:44
foot trying to get away from what they're doing.
49:48
There's enough of us if we all got our heads together and said
49:50
OK, here's how I'd like the world to be.
49:53
And I talk about food and I talk about our healthcare system.
49:57
You know, I would like to see Wellness centres everywhere
50:00
where you just check yourself in and you say, you know, I'm
50:03
feeling a bit rundown at the moment.
50:05
Could you do my blood work please?
50:07
And you know, you could maybe spend, you could have something
50:10
you could literally check yourself into.
50:12
So you could have say 2 weeks a year free that you could just go
50:17
and stay at one of these. And you could do that either in
50:19
a two week slot or in, you know, a day in a month or whatever you
50:23
want to do however you want to do it.
50:25
Where, yeah, you do fasting and, and cleansing and, you know, so
50:29
they're making sure that you stay well rather than waiting
50:33
till you break down and then pumping in full of drugs that
50:36
have side effects. So, you know, Mark Atwood's got
50:39
a Wellness centre, but, you know, he's not a doctor, so he's
50:42
limited to what he could do. But if you had actually trained
50:46
medical professionals that could do Ivs of vitamin C or whatever
50:51
people needed, you could maintain health in and it would,
50:56
there would be such a huge industry.
50:58
I know big pharma would lose a lot, but you would still need
51:01
some drugs because heaven knows when you need painkillers, you
51:05
need them for certain things, especially operations.
51:07
So I'm not saying completely destroy everything, but if we
51:12
could have, you know, proper healthcare, you know, you could,
51:17
there would still be masses of jobs and masses of, you know,
51:20
you could have so many people that were doing the natural
51:23
alternatives with herbal stuff, with vitamins and with, you
51:27
know, just a good massage. If that was on the National
51:29
Health or whatever, that would help so many people.
51:33
So there would be a massive number of jobs and employment.
51:35
You wouldn't, doesn't have to destroy everything.
51:39
We'd just create better systems. So with education, with health.
51:43
And if food was measured by instead of its size, it was
51:48
nutrient density. Think how farming would change
51:52
if nutrient density was important.
51:54
Regenerative agriculture would have to play a part in it.
51:57
You couldn't just hurl a whole load of artificial fertilisers
52:01
on so we could create. There's enough of us.
52:03
We could create a so much better world.
52:06
We wouldn't have to be poor in the process.
52:09
There would still be jobs and we've just got to concentrate
52:12
and put into action the type of world we want to create.
52:16
So it's, it's really, it's, it's like pulling away from, from
52:20
their system, creating new systems, but without, you know,
52:26
without, without any, any kind of the, the trouble is it's,
52:32
it's, it's that it, it's almost like things like that take do
52:35
take a long time to sort of put together.
52:39
And, and it, it could be quite difficult at first, you know, in
52:43
this, in this, in these new systems.
52:45
I think we've got a lot of, a lot of kind of things to go
52:51
through to get it right. And I think at the moment we, we
52:55
haven't got a lot of time, but with, with being able to, to
52:59
look at what we do need. And you've, you've made it very
53:01
clear. And we know this.
53:03
We know that we needed an alternative education system.
53:07
We need an alternative health system.
53:10
We need alternative ways of living without money, without
53:14
cars, without all these things that that they will want to that
53:18
the world they want us to live in is 1 without cars without.
53:23
But if you've got your own form of heating and and shelter, then
53:27
you at least have a, a, you know, means of survival and
53:31
creating, as you say that that community that does teach, that
53:35
deals with the healthcare, but it would be very much on a
53:38
voluntary basis, wouldn't it? So if you, if you don't, a lot
53:42
of people, if they don't work, will be bartering.
53:45
Where will the finance for that come from?
53:49
There's going to be a transition time and to begin with we've
53:51
just got to survive. But I think these things will
53:53
help happen organically and naturally.
53:56
You know, if you do manage to get a whole village together
53:59
that's wide awake, do you need a council?
54:01
No, you repair your own roads, you pick up your own litter.
54:04
Or would you be littering in the 1st place if you knew that your
54:07
next door neighbour's the one that's going to have to come and
54:09
pick it up? We need to be more adulting,
54:12
really, and the way society has been manipulated to just the
54:17
dumbest thing ever. I mean, you know, you read
54:20
anything of Rudolf Steiner and the level of knowledge that they
54:24
used to have. You know, people now understand
54:27
that the moon effects plant growth.
54:29
He could tell you from observation the effects Saturn
54:32
have on plant growth. They were so intelligent and so
54:36
tuned into the natural world. We've got a lot of work to do
54:39
and our main thing is just to repair our knowledge enough that
54:45
we can educate the next generation and that is is
54:49
putting that effort into the young people and we will find a
54:53
way. Yes, it could be slow, but then
54:56
again it could be very quick in some respects because if you've
55:00
got a community that needs healthcare and you haven't got
55:03
access to, you're locked out of the NHS, you're going to have to
55:07
figure things out very quickly. And herbs can do a great number
55:12
of things. So I think it will happen
55:14
organically and I think we'll be relying on each other so much
55:19
that if the main farmer has had an accident, I don't think
55:22
people are going to be worrying about how is he going to pay for
55:25
his healthcare. You'd all be running around
55:27
trying to patch him up and say, right, get back on the field, we
55:30
need you. So it's a different mindset.
55:33
We've just got to look after each other as well as, you know,
55:37
you, you, there will be people who who do well and thrive.
55:40
But I think the community is going to be more tribal how it
55:44
used to be that we all need each other.
55:47
And you know, there are more important things in life than
55:50
money. It's very nice and it's very
55:51
helpful, but it comes with its problems.
55:55
So we we'd probably create our own.
55:56
I mean, there was a village in Spain that did this and they did
56:00
it with duplicate books. They'd have their market and if
56:05
say you wanted some bread and the but the person didn't want
56:09
your bag of spuds, they write you a note that you'd had
56:13
however many loaves of bread and then the next time round it was
56:16
like an IOU. So you could do a very simple
56:19
system like that just to get up and running.
56:22
Yeah, I mean, there's been all sorts of systems.
56:23
I mean, when I first came here there was a let system, which I
56:27
think it was they used curtain rings or something as a
56:29
currency. I can't remember what it was
56:31
now. But yeah, there's, there's
56:33
various systems that have been used, but I think they weren't
56:37
in a way as a serious system. It was, it was just a, you know,
56:41
because they weren't under the a few years ago when I heard about
56:44
the let system, that was when I first came to live here.
56:47
It, it wasn't as necessary as it is now.
56:50
But it's interesting that at the moment there's nothing like
56:53
that. Well, we had one in Colchester,
56:56
we had something called the Romans where people would
56:59
exchange services. There was the Trinity Healing
57:02
Centre and it used to be in there.
57:04
And it, it, when it was going, it was really good.
57:07
And then they shut up shop and it kind of died to death.
57:10
But it, it has been done before. I mean, you know, we've managed
57:13
for centuries without money. I'm sure we can manage again or
57:16
come up with a better system. And what honourable system?
57:19
It is, and I love your enthusiasm.
57:22
I really do. Maybe it's because I've just
57:24
kind of been around too long and I'm thinking, oh gosh, you know,
57:27
living in a field and, and, and, and doing all that, that kind of
57:31
physical work and it's cold in England.
57:33
It's not an easy place to grow things.
57:36
Yeah, it seems like a massive, massive challenge, but you know,
57:39
it's great that there's people like you going, come on.
57:43
But we gotta do. It I'm fully planning to keep my
57:46
house, I might have to get a lodger, which I would hate, but
57:50
I might have to get a lodger who's in the system to pay for
57:52
the bills. I may have to do that.
57:54
But yeah, I would. I want to be working out in my
57:57
field, in my forest and making things.
58:00
And you know, then I've got, you know, if I've got some, I'd like
58:03
to get into furniture making. Probably be hopeless, but you
58:06
can swap it. If if you keep bricks and
58:09
mortar, is there anything that doesn't, that you can't, you
58:12
know, is, does that go against? I mean, is there anything that
58:15
you'd have to comply to that would be, you know, anything to
58:20
do with, with complying to what's going on in the, you
58:23
know, for, for their agenda? Because I, I mean, for instance,
58:27
say, you know, you have a lodger.
58:29
They're changing all the landlord rules now, aren't they,
58:32
Without being difficult, you know, there's, there's always,
58:34
they try and get yeah, the, the land, the, the, the landlord
58:39
rules are all changing and giving, giving tenants more
58:42
rights over the landlord. So because they do want you to
58:46
own nothing and be happy. And if they've got somebody on
58:48
you, why in your home, then it's, it's it's, you know,
58:52
they'd rather that person lived there than than than you own the
58:56
property. Do you see what I mean?
58:57
It is they are trying to, to, to, to get rid of people owning
59:01
property. It is a, a whole agenda that
59:04
comes basically from a, a very well.
59:08
It's, it's what Klaus Schwab Schwab says, you know, you will
59:11
earn nothing and you'll be happy.
59:13
It's almost like, you know, a form of communism.
59:15
And we know that stakeholder capitalism is communism.
59:19
And so that is why they're, they're trying to get rid of
59:22
everything. So, you know, pushing me out
59:25
onto the land. So I, you know, I, I just feel
59:28
that. Yeah, it's, it's, I don't know.
59:31
I don't know what the solution is.
59:33
Maybe it's the way I, I I feel today.
59:35
Is that really all I all I'd encourage everyone to do is, is,
59:40
is to fight what what's happening and to but what, how
59:44
you get that shift of consciousness to get everybody
59:47
to say no to, to, to all this, this control grid is very
59:53
difficult. And I think that, you know,
59:56
doing the two of setting up the parallel systems and trying to
1:00:00
fight it is the best, the best way forward.
1:00:02
Yeah. Absolutely, yes, I agree.
1:00:04
So tell me this is not now people should look at this book
1:00:10
and buy it for Christmas because it's Rachel Matthews,
1:00:13
Misadventures of an Accidental Activist.
1:00:16
And it's I, I mean, I found it really a really good read.
1:00:21
I mean, is there anything else you want to say about the book
1:00:25
or how we can wind this up and, and any, any last thoughts,
1:00:29
Rachel? Well, yeah, I mean, I thought it
1:00:32
was, I was going to write a self help book.
1:00:34
It's initial title was Empowered in a World Gone Mad.
1:00:38
And you know, I really thought that's what it was going to be.
1:00:40
And then as I started to write it, it's like, well, you're
1:00:42
going to have to tell your story.
1:00:43
And then it because it's story format, it's much the
1:00:47
information is much easier for people to take on board and and
1:00:51
it ended up being quite funny. I know it sounds like it's going
1:00:54
to be this really serious, depressing book, but it isn't
1:00:57
the behind the scenes of council watch, which is hilarious.
1:01:00
So it and so many things happened that I, you know, there
1:01:05
are some laugh out loud moments in the book, quite a few.
1:01:08
So it's not depressing. So if you've don't feel that
1:01:12
it's going to be all doom and gloom because it's not and
1:01:14
there's a lot of hope at the end, there's a lot of
1:01:16
suggestions on things we can do. So it is the full journey of,
1:01:20
oh, it's really dark. Here's how I've tried to sort
1:01:23
things out and here's what we could be doing.
1:01:25
So it it's not depressing and I hope people will enjoy it as as
1:01:29
much as you do did so that, you know, that was lovely that as I
1:01:33
say, the first person that read it said I couldn't put it down.
1:01:35
It was really funny, so yeah. It is, it's a really good read,
1:01:41
it's a really good romp and it's a wonderful diary of, of there's
1:01:46
a snapshot of what life has been like, you know, since since
1:01:50
lockdown. People can, yeah, people can get
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1:01:58
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1:02:02
So well done And so is there anywhere else where they go?
1:02:06
Are you still doing Council Colchester Council Watch or
1:02:09
that's not? I've done a few videos recently
1:02:12
but I'm trying to withdraw from YouTube because I don't want to
1:02:16
give them my creative time and energy.
1:02:18
I'd rather put it on a clear air FM have got I'm putting a lots
1:02:23
of my videos, the audio onto their radio station because it's
1:02:27
a freedom of speech channel. Yes, it's the light newspaper
1:02:31
doing that and also I'm I'm on sub stack at the moment.
1:02:34
They've been fine at some point. No doubt they'll be like
1:02:37
everybody else, but at the moment is a really good medium
1:02:40
because again, they haven't censored anything that has been
1:02:43
said. So they're the two places people
1:02:46
can find me. I want to degoogle myself next
1:02:48
year, so that probably does mean the YouTube channels will go,
1:02:51
but it's going to take me a full year to degoogle myself.
1:02:54
I've been so lazy signing up for so many accounts just with my
1:02:58
Google account. I mean, how stupid was that?
1:03:00
But anyway, so that's gonna take a while, but yeah.
1:03:05
Yes, oh gosh, get it. Getting out of the matrix, My
1:03:08
goodness, it takes time, doesn't it?
1:03:10
We. We tracked ourselves, the less
1:03:12
hooks they have on us. So I'm gonna, I will shut down
1:03:14
my Twitter account and I just, and probably Facebook.
1:03:16
I just want to withdraw because the less of a digital footprint
1:03:20
you've got, the less they've got on you, the less they can
1:03:23
predict what you're gonna be doing.
1:03:24
Although I've now told everyone what exactly what I'll be doing.
1:03:27
But anyway, minor detail. But can they?
1:03:30
Can they still find it though? Can they?
1:03:32
I mean a bit like the Wayback Machine.
1:03:34
I mean I I'm not very technically minded but.
1:03:36
Sure, they. Can still find, yeah.
1:03:39
How naughty we've been. It's pretty.
1:03:41
It's probably far too late for me, but, you know, I just want
1:03:44
to just take my creative stuff elsewhere and they can, you
1:03:49
know, Yeah. Yeah, well, Rachel, you're an
1:03:53
absolute inspiration. I I have to say.
1:03:56
You're marvellous and it's been so good.
1:03:59
Thank you so much for coming on UK column today.
1:04:02
And yeah, I'm really, yeah, buy this for Christmas.
1:04:06
It's a really good book to wake your unawake friends and family
1:04:10
up. It would be fantastic.
1:04:12
Anyway, Rachel, thanks so much. And and yeah, hopefully I'll see
1:04:16
you soon. Yes, thank you, Sandy.
1:04:18
It's been an absolute pleasure.