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Roza Gilles and the Abuse That Continued During Epstein’s Sentence (Part 2) (7/21/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where he left off with the CNN article talking about
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  Speaker 1: Rosa and her abuse at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: once again. This article was authored by MJ. Lee and
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  Speaker 1: Nicki robertson the accounts from Gillis and other survivors who
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  Speaker 1: say they were abused by Epstein while he was serving
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  Speaker 1: his thirteen month sentence raised his serious questions about the
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  Speaker 1: controversial two thousand and eight plea deal that Epstein struck
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  Speaker 1: with the former US attorney Alex Acosta. Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Alex Acosta was a middleman, Okay, nothing more than a
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  Speaker 1: manager at McDonald's. Oh sure, he makes decisions for his department,
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  Speaker 1: but he ain't making decisions for the DOJ. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's team went over Acosta his head directly to Mukasey
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  Speaker 1: and Philippe, and people still don't want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: that part of it, But eventually they'll catch up. Might
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  Speaker 1: take another five years, but eventually they're going to catch
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  Speaker 1: up and realize that it was an Acosta. The reason
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  Speaker 1: Acosta gets brought up so much is because they want
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  Speaker 1: to slam at home, oh Acosta, Trump's guy. Well, sure,
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  Speaker 1: a cost is a scumbag. A cost has no spine,
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  Speaker 1: But a Costa didn't make the deal, and we have
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  Speaker 1: to be honest about it. This man has no kind
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  Speaker 1: of courage whatsoever, and he's reprehensible and he had no
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  Speaker 1: business being part of the US government as far as
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  Speaker 1: a cabinet position. But is he the one who gave
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  Speaker 1: the final low k for the Jeffrey Epstein non prosecution agreement.
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  Speaker 1: He most certainly is not. Epstein began working full time
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  Speaker 1: as president of the Florida Science Foundation in October of
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. According to a twenty twenty one
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  Speaker 1: review of Epstein's work release program conducted by Florida officials,
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  Speaker 1: for the first six months, Epstein was allowed to be
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  Speaker 1: at the foundation's office from ten am to ten pm
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  Speaker 1: Monday through Saturday. In May two thousand and nine, those
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  Speaker 1: hours were extended, requiring Epstein to be physically in jail
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  Speaker 1: for only eight hours a day. By the following month,
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's work release program again expanded, letting them work seven
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  Speaker 1: days a week at the foundation. Must be nice when
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  Speaker 1: my loved one was in prison for seven years for
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  Speaker 1: illegal sports gambling, which is legal now. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I promise you they weren't getting any kind of benefits,
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  Speaker 1: They weren't getting any kind of special treatment, and they
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  Speaker 1: certainly weren't being let out to go on roam around
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  Speaker 1: the city all day. But when you're Jeffrey Epstein and
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  Speaker 1: you have that kind of power, those kinds of connections,
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  Speaker 1: and you're an asset of the United States government, well
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  Speaker 1: the rules are different for you. Please tell me again
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  Speaker 1: how this guy was just a lone predator with no connections,
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  Speaker 1: with no power, and then I'll tell you that you're
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  Speaker 1: a liar. The last two weeks before Epstein was released
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  Speaker 1: under house arrest finance, here was also permitted to visit
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  Speaker 1: his West Palm Beach mansion for two hour window in
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  Speaker 1: the afternoon. Let me go home and get a sandwich.
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  Speaker 1: Like what, no sit in jail, roten jail at least
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  Speaker 1: for the year. But no, he didn't even get that.
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  Speaker 1: So all the people out there that act like this
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  Speaker 1: is all finalized, like everything's been decided, like everything's been investigated,
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  Speaker 1: You're wrong. And I'll say that with confidence. And that's
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  Speaker 1: because that's where the evidence leads us. His work release
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  Speaker 1: program had many conditions, including the stipulation that he could
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  Speaker 1: only meet with business associates and a requirement to wear
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  Speaker 1: an ankle monitor. Until July of two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 1: Epstein was not allowed to have contact with family members, friends, girlfriends,
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  Speaker 1: or miners. But he did, and that's why he was
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  Speaker 1: in violation of the NPA. I feel like a record
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  Speaker 1: on repeat at this point between this and Rico. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's obvious what should have happened, and it's obvious the
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  Speaker 1: fix is in. And for all the people that want
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  Speaker 1: to yell about cover ups, when it comes to Tyler Robinson, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: you want to cover up, this is it. This is
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  Speaker 1: the art of the cover up. And not only is
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  Speaker 1: this a cover up, it's brazen and right in your face.
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  Speaker 1: And now that it's been exposed, they've just doubled down.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's lawyers and the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office also
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  Speaker 1: struck an agreement that Epstein would hire off duty deputies
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  Speaker 1: also known as permit deputies, to be present at his
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  Speaker 1: office to document any visitors. Epstein's attorney, on behalf of
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  Speaker 1: the Florida Science Foundation, paid the Sheriff's office the total
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  Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty eight thousand, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: thirty six dollars for those deputies during Epstein's work release,
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  Speaker 1: according to Florida Department of Law Enforcement report. The report
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  Speaker 1: also said that four hundred and ninety four visitor logs
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  Speaker 1: were reviewed by PbSO and no violations of unauthorized contact
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  Speaker 1: were found, and that the records were later destroyed per policy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's destroy the records. Are you guys paying
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  Speaker 1: attention yet? They destroyed the records because they know they
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  Speaker 1: were given Epstein favorable treatment. Somebody was getting their palm greased.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody had a good Christmas. Let's put it out. Let's
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  Speaker 1: put it like that. Okay, somebody had a great Christmas
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  Speaker 1: that year, which one of these guards ended up with
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  Speaker 1: a new car, went on some trips. Oh, we don't
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about that part, right. Well, guess what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to because the institutional corruption surrounding Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: is a gigantic part of the story, and until that's exposed,
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  Speaker 1: we can just expect the next Epstein to pop up
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  Speaker 1: at any moment, and then what we're going to start
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  Speaker 1: the clock all over again. Oh, we didn't know we
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  Speaker 1: had no idea. How could this happen? Well, it could
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  Speaker 1: happen and did happen because people you voted for, people
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  Speaker 1: you elected, they don't give a fuck. In twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: less than a week after new charges against Epstein were unsealed,
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  Speaker 1: a Costa stepped down from his position as Labor Secretary
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  Speaker 1: in the first Trump administration. A twenty twenty Justice Department
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  Speaker 1: review of the two thousand and eight deal that a
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  Speaker 1: Costa negotiated concluded that he had exercise poor judgment, including
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  Speaker 1: in his failure to notify the girls and young women
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  Speaker 1: who alleged they were sexually abused by Epstein, about the
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  Speaker 1: decision to not prosecute him on federal charges. But the
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  Speaker 1: review did not find that Acosta or other prosecutors engaged
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  Speaker 1: in a professional misconduct. And that's because the OIG report
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  Speaker 1: was a whitewash. It was meant to put this to bed,
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  Speaker 1: to tell you to move on, to tell you enough
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  Speaker 1: is enough. And when it came out, I told you
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  Speaker 1: that's what it was. Don't buy it, don't fall for it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm happy to say that a lot of you didn't.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of you understand exactly what we're dealing with.
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  Speaker 1: And you know that you're being lied to. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the most galling part. Even when these people
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  Speaker 1: are exposed, they continue to double down and act like
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  Speaker 1: it never happened, and act like this is all just
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  Speaker 1: a big conspiracy theory. In December of twenty nineteen, four
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  Speaker 1: months after Epstein's suicide in a New York City prison,
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  Speaker 1: the PbSO ended its work release program. The fdl's twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one report said that it found no criminal activity
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  Speaker 1: was determined on the part of any PbSO member with
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  Speaker 1: their respect to their participation in Epstein's PbSO work release
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  Speaker 1: or permit detail programs. Of course not. There's never been
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  Speaker 1: accountability for anybody, whether it's government official or epstein co conspirator.
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  Speaker 1: And I had to say it, but it's all by design.
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  Speaker 1: The Pombach County Sheriff's office did not respond to CNN's
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  Speaker 1: request for comment for this story. They need to respond,
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  Speaker 1: and the pressure needs to be turned up on Pombach
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  Speaker 1: County and the officials that were responsible for all of this.
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  Speaker 1: The conditions of Epstein's work release program made young foreign
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  Speaker 1: models like Gillis the perfect target. After his conviction, Gillis
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  Speaker 1: said that she was approached by French modeling agent Jean
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  Speaker 1: Luke Brunell in two thousand and eight when she was
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  Speaker 1: backstage at a fashion show and use pekistan, Well, didn't
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  Speaker 1: I tell you that Jean Luke Brunell and Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: at the very least were trafficking women back and forth?
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  Speaker 1: And then you have people like Cash Betel and all
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  Speaker 1: the Sarah Gates out there that say that Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: wasn't trafficking women. He most certainly was. Now, maybe not
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  Speaker 1: to the extent that some people say, but to think
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  Speaker 1: that Epstein wasn't serving up women to certain people, you
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  Speaker 1: are fucking stupid. Okay, I don't know how else to
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  Speaker 1: say it. Brunell introduced himself as the owner of the
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  Speaker 1: agency MC squared Model Management in New York City and
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  Speaker 1: offered her a contract on the spot. Gillis would later
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  Speaker 1: learn that Epstein was a significant financial backer of the company,
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  Speaker 1: one thousand percent. He was, and the whole entire point
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  Speaker 1: was to have a pipeline of girls that he could
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  Speaker 1: pick from, girls fed directly to the townhouse girls to
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  Speaker 1: go live with them for a week at a time,
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  Speaker 1: that he could abuse. And then when that weak's up
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  Speaker 1: bring in the next group of girls, but sure there
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  Speaker 1: was no trafficking going on. The contract that she signed
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  Speaker 1: with mc squared, as Gillis describes it, gave the agency
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  Speaker 1: control over every aspect of her life. She immediately owed
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  Speaker 1: them four thousand dollars for her visa and fifteen hundred
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  Speaker 1: in rent each month for the overcrowded models apartment in Manhattan,
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  Speaker 1: where a multiple girls slept on bump beds. Her debt
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  Speaker 1: ballooned to a sum her parents back home wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: dreamed of making in one year. Several months after her move,
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  Speaker 1: Gillis said, she started crying at the mc squared Miami
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  Speaker 1: office in front of Brunel. Her family back home depended
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  Speaker 1: on her modeling income, and by this point she was
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  Speaker 1: around ten gs in debt and failing to land modeling jobs.
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  Speaker 1: She had already raised the idea of going back to Asia,
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  Speaker 1: where she had a successful modeling stint, but mc squared
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  Speaker 1: had her rebuff the suggestion. Jean lu Brunel sits there,
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  Speaker 1: looks at me, goes, I see that you're very He's said,
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  Speaker 1: give me one second, Gillis said, picks up the phone,
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  Speaker 1: call someone and then hangs up the phone and goes,
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  Speaker 1: I took care of it. I just sent six hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars to your parents. Oh big baller, huh, A whole
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  Speaker 1: six hundred bucks piece of Shit's comeback to her shock
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  Speaker 1: Within minutes, somebody had, in fact dropped off six hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars and used Bekistan to her family. I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 1: what just happened, Gilis said, I don't know who he called.
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  Speaker 1: Did he call a friend that is American that happens
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  Speaker 1: to be there, or did he call somebody from the
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  Speaker 1: government and they dropped it off? Good question, very good question.
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  Speaker 1: Who dropped the money off and why? Unfortunately Brunell's bitch
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  Speaker 1: ass is dead, so we'll probably never know. The message
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  Speaker 1: was unmistakable. She was at the mercy of the agency
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  Speaker 1: and that included Epstein. Brunell was found dead in his
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  Speaker 1: prison cell in twenty twenty two after he was arrested
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  Speaker 1: on charges of rate and sexual assault. Gillis was instructed
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  Speaker 1: to go to West Palm Beach in the summer of
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine for a photoshoot. The giant White
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  Speaker 1: mansion where the shoe took place belonged to Epstein, and
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  Speaker 1: after her first brief encounter with them, Gillis's permanent move
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  Speaker 1: to Miami was quickly set in motion. Epstein's offer for
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  Speaker 1: Gillis to model during the week but work on the
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  Speaker 1: weekends at the Florida Science Foundation made little sense to her.
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  Speaker 1: For modeling, I need to go to auditions, build my portfolio,
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  Speaker 1: and do all these different things. But you're offering me
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  Speaker 1: an office job, and I don't see how that's going
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  Speaker 1: to help my modeling career. She said. I'm all alone,
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  Speaker 1: I'm broke, and this person tells me that in order
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  Speaker 1: to do my job, I have to take another one.
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  Speaker 1: After Epstein first assaulted her at the Science Foundation, Gillis
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  Speaker 1: says she was molested and raped every weekend in Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 1: The nightmare continued once she was allowed to return back
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  Speaker 1: to New York City in twenty ten, after Epstein's house
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  Speaker 1: arrest in Florida ended. And on and on it went.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to the abuse that Eppstein was engaging in,
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  Speaker 1: it just never stopped, and in some cases it was
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  Speaker 1: a cycle that lasted literally a decade or more. The
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  Speaker 1: Epstein files that the Justice Department released earlier this year
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  Speaker 1: are littered with emails from modeling scouts to the convicted
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  Speaker 1: sex offender, offering up models from around the world. Two
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  Speaker 1: women file complaints in twenty nineteen alleging that Epstein had
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  Speaker 1: sexually abuse him during his work release program. One of
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  Speaker 1: the anonymous women, identified as Catlin Dough, said that she
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  Speaker 1: was made to engage in sexual encounters with Epstein at
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  Speaker 1: the foundation office. While in Jeffrey Epstein's office at the
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  Speaker 1: Florida Science Foundation, plaintiff was made to engage in sexual
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  Speaker 1: encounters with Jeffrey Epstein, both alone with Epstein, during which
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  Speaker 1: he engaged in sexual intercourse, and also on one occasion
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  Speaker 1: with another young female and Epstein, the complaint said. Gillis
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  Speaker 1: said that she's certain she's been in the presence of
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  Speaker 1: some of Epstein's other victims, calls walking through his Florida
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  Speaker 1: mansion and encountering girls who spoke little or no English.
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  Speaker 1: There were immigrants, there were people who had an accent,
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  Speaker 1: the people who spoke Russian. She said, same thing was
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  Speaker 1: happening to them, and it was widespread. And when I
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  Speaker 1: talk about the girls who know names, these are the
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  Speaker 1: women that I'm talking about. How many of them are there?
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  Speaker 1: It was only after Gillis's modeling career took off in
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  Speaker 1: New York some years later, and she gained financial independence
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  Speaker 1: that she was finally able to leave Epstein's world. She
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  Speaker 1: relocated to the Midwest, and, after meeting her husband Pat,
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  Speaker 1: found a new calling as a fitness coach and trainer.
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  Speaker 1: Gillis had kept her dark past secret from almost everyone
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  Speaker 1: in her life, including her parents, until recently. Despite promises
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  Speaker 1: from the Justice Department to protect survivors. Gillis was stunned
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  Speaker 1: to see her name and years of correspondence between herself
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  Speaker 1: and Epstein had been published for the world to see
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  Speaker 1: when the Epstein Files were released early this year. It
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  Speaker 1: was my story to tell. It wasn't something I wish
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  Speaker 1: anybody read, she said. Look, I feel that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people I've told you this, they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: come forward. They've moved on, they've compartmentalized whatever you want
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  Speaker 1: to call it, and they don't want to reopen the wound.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we have to respect that. You can't
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  Speaker 1: force somebody to come forward. You can't force somebody to
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  Speaker 1: have to navigate the minefield that comes with it. Gillis
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  Speaker 1: said she'd been watching Epstein's survivors over the past year
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  Speaker 1: publicly advocate for the release of the Epstein files and
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  Speaker 1: for the Justice Department to investigate Epstein's co conspirators. While
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  Speaker 1: she's been invited to join them in their public advocacy work,
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  Speaker 1: Gillis says she's not quite ready. When a group of
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  Speaker 1: survivors gathered on the steps the Capitol Hill last year,
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  Speaker 1: Gillis chose to fly to DC to join them, but
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  Speaker 1: could only watch from the sidelines. They were telling their
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  Speaker 1: stories and that started destroying me on the inside. She said.
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  Speaker 1: It was so wrong for the government not to protect them.
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  Speaker 1: But Gillis says as she continues to work through her
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  Speaker 1: own trauma, she's beginning to imagine a future when she's
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  Speaker 1: able to be with the other survivors. I can see
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  Speaker 1: myself at some point gathering together with them, she said.
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  Speaker 1: I'm extremely proud of what each one of them are doing,
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  Speaker 1: and I see the pain is very contagious. Courage is contagious, right, well,
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  Speaker 1: I think it is, and I think that the more
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  Speaker 1: women that come forward, the more comfortable other people will
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  Speaker 1: be to tell their story. But I think that the
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  Speaker 1: major takeaway from Rosa sharing the story with us is
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she was being abused while Epstein was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be in custody. And if that doesn't lead
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  Speaker 1: to the NPA getting trash Bend, I don't think anything will.
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  Speaker 1: So let's see if Congress picks up on this, and
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  Speaker 1: let's see if they start demanding some more answers and
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  Speaker 1: some more transparency when it comes to the NPA. All
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box.