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Birthmarks: Probably Not the Mark of the Devil · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: that's right. And all the listeners said, what happened to
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Speaker 1: Josh TV? What are we doing that? Did we decide? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do birthmarking? Check the title? Chuck, Well, I
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Speaker 1: mean I have two things in front of me. How
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Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm great? How are you? I'm good?
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Speaker 1: You got any birth marks? I do what you got Um,
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Speaker 1: I've got something under my right armpit. You're like, it
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Speaker 1: looks like Richard Nixon. Close, it looks like Spiro Agne.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when Mad magazine used to make fun
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Speaker 1: of Spiro Agne And you're like, I have no idea
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Speaker 1: who that gets the name. Maybe no, it's because like
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Speaker 1: they hated his politics, but too. But then there was
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Speaker 1: a Simpsons where Millhouse is like, they're making fun of
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Speaker 1: Spiro agnew again. He must work there or something, and
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Speaker 1: I remember specifically thinking that he referenced Mad Magazine. That's funny. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so you you've got an under your armpit birthmark? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: how about you? I don't think I do. Actually, what
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of now because I'm an old
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Speaker 1: man speeding toward death. Our skin tags, oh yeah, around
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Speaker 1: the neck and armpit. That's where they like tend to gather.
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Speaker 1: That's just your skin, you know, really going at it.
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Speaker 1: I used to have them clipped, and I did. I
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Speaker 1: did that for a while, but it's been a while,
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Speaker 1: but now I went in recently. It was so annoying.
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Speaker 1: It was one of these our medical system is just broken.
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Speaker 1: It was one of those reminders because I went in
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Speaker 1: to get it taken care of like I usually do.
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Speaker 1: And I got in there and the guy was like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: we don't do this now unless you make another kind
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Speaker 1: of appointment. I was like, well, can I just make
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Speaker 1: this that since I'm here sitting in your office. He's like, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: those take much longer. These are just ten minute appointments
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Speaker 1: and that that'll take like an hour, and some of
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Speaker 1: them have their own vascular systems so they need to
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Speaker 1: be cauterized. And I was like, oh, okay, so I'm
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Speaker 1: just leaving and he's like yes, He's like, if you
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Speaker 1: want to make that other appointment, and then they refunded
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Speaker 1: the money for that appointment, which was the copey, but
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Speaker 1: then said make the longer appointment if you want to
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Speaker 1: come back, which I'm gonna yeah. You know. I mean
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Speaker 1: they're not like medically dangerous or anything, but their brother
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Speaker 1: unsightly when they get long and big, well long, sure,
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Speaker 1: I mean how long are we talking like? I mean
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Speaker 1: some of the ones are like, you know, quarter inch,
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Speaker 1: so okay, I was just about to say how big
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Speaker 1: that one? Let me see if I can figure it
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Speaker 1: out in the metric. It's a few centimeters, so I
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Speaker 1: think it's what you just want to get him clipped again,
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make that longer appointment, right, I think
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Speaker 1: it will be painful? Is it painful? I've never had
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Speaker 1: one clip the regular clipping. The small ones aren't a
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Speaker 1: big deal because they just hit it with a little
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Speaker 1: quick shot and then clip it in. This no big deal.
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Speaker 1: But what kind of a shot like a you know, needle,
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Speaker 1: like a little numbing, numbing thing. Okay, I like with
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Speaker 1: a needle like whatever. I don't know if they don't
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Speaker 1: they don't spray it with the freezy stuff. No, you're
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Speaker 1: thinking of this stuff for athletes foot This is like
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Speaker 1: a shot light of cane. But anyway, the ones that
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Speaker 1: are big that require cauterizing, I'm sure that doesn't feel great,
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Speaker 1: even if they've numbed it up and just get the
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Speaker 1: seedline torch out And imagine I'll have to shave my
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Speaker 1: armpits because if you're torching something near armpit hair, plus
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Speaker 1: you just want to look good. Maybe I've never shaved
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Speaker 1: my pits. Um might start that I used to? Why not?
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Speaker 1: I'll bet that's itchy though. Yeah. Maybe anytime you shave
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Speaker 1: something that starts to grow out, it's itchy. You know what?
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, so um. I used to get warts actually
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Oh yeah, And I remember
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Speaker 1: going into the dermatologists and they go into the freezer,
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Speaker 1: put on these huge rubber gloves and pull out like
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Speaker 1: this thermos of I want to say, nitro glystroom. That's
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Speaker 1: not it, and now you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the cold stuff. Yeah, and it would freeze my wart
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Speaker 1: basically right off right there, just kind of sting for
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Speaker 1: a second. That was it. I never really had warts.
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Speaker 1: Believe me, buddy, you lucked out because if you're a
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Speaker 1: little kid in grade school and you have like it
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Speaker 1: wasn't like I wasn't coated with them, but you know,
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Speaker 1: like i'd get one like here between my four finger
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Speaker 1: and my thumb. I had one of my elbow or
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Speaker 1: something like that. Other kids jerks zero in on that stuff,
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Speaker 1: and you're the you're the little weird kid who was
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Speaker 1: already the fat kid now with warts new and improved. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I had freckles a lot more than I do now,
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Speaker 1: because freckles tend to fade as you get older, and
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Speaker 1: freckles are I guess kind of well, they're not a
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Speaker 1: kind of birthmark because you're not born with freckles, but
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Speaker 1: I did look into it. Freckles are just an abundance
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Speaker 1: of melanin, like collected together. Well, that's basically what a
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Speaker 1: mole is, which is a type of birthmark if you're
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Speaker 1: born with it. That's right. So I love freckles though.
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Speaker 1: Freckles are super cute. Freckles are great, Moles are great. Birthmarks,
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Speaker 1: especially interesting ones are great. Sports are great. That's why
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Speaker 1: the term warts and all came about it. That's how
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Speaker 1: you should love his true Chuck Man, quit making the
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Speaker 1: people kids. Well, that's a thing, so mean. Birthmarks have
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Speaker 1: been around since the dawn of humanity, I'm guessing, um,
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Speaker 1: and people have probably been ostracized because their birthmarks since
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Speaker 1: the dawn of humanity. And you know, for a very
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Speaker 1: long time people were ostracized for their birthmarks because of
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Speaker 1: some really stupid ideas like that it meant you were
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Speaker 1: a witch, or it meant you were touched by Satan,
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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff like that. Um. And then over
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Speaker 1: time it got a little more innocuous. But even still
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Speaker 1: today there are parts of the world where you can
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Speaker 1: find people who are ostracized because their birth marks. And
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Speaker 1: then even in the developed world, the Western world, which
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Speaker 1: is rational and based more on science. You can still
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Speaker 1: find yourself, you know, at the receiving end of being ostracized.
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Speaker 1: Maybe not because you're a witch, but just because you
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Speaker 1: have a birthmarker you look different and so um. I've
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Speaker 1: seen parents react to it if their baby has like
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Speaker 1: a strawberry mark on their head, yes like that, seeing
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Speaker 1: them feel the need to say like, oh, you know
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Speaker 1: this is you know, we'll go away, or something like that.
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Speaker 1: I was reading this birthmark support group from Great Britain
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Speaker 1: and they were saying this. One mom had cards printed
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Speaker 1: up explaining what her child's birthmark was because sometimes she
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Speaker 1: just couldn't. She just didn't have it together enough to
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Speaker 1: to have a conversation with the stranger who'd walked up
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Speaker 1: and been like, what's up with your kid's face? Rather
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Speaker 1: than belt um, she would just give him a card
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Speaker 1: and then just probably go home and weep or something
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Speaker 1: like that, knowing not for herself but the life that
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Speaker 1: her kid was going to have to face, not because
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Speaker 1: her kid has a birthmark, but because the rest of
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Speaker 1: the world are schmucks. Yes, that's the that's the long
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Speaker 1: and short of its right. Al managed to find a soapbox.
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Speaker 1: Even in the birthmarks episode, I bet a kid, probably
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Speaker 1: a collection of kids could still make you cry if
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Speaker 1: they started. They started, I just started kicking, throwing elbows.
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Speaker 1: I just hold my arms out and started twirling around
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Speaker 1: really fast, and whatever got hit got hit. People be
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Speaker 1: like a Josh fighting a bunch of children and be like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they made fun of them. Yeah, they'd be like I
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Speaker 1: shoved one in a grocery store once. Oh man, I'll
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Speaker 1: never forget that, lady. So let's talk birthmarks, Chuck. It
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Speaker 1: turns out there's a lot to know. Yeah, they're um
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Speaker 1: usually not a big deal. They aren't painful, they're usually harmless.
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Speaker 1: A lot of times they go away. We're gonna detail
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Speaker 1: the ones that do and that don't go away, and
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Speaker 1: the ones that are of more concern. But generally speaking,
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Speaker 1: science doesn't really know why they come about to begin with,
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Speaker 1: but they are something that doctors will sometimes want to
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Speaker 1: keep an eye on. And that's the intro. That's Intro
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Speaker 1: number seven. Yeah, there's a couple of big categories, uh,
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Speaker 1: vascular and pigmented. And let's talk about some of these.
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Speaker 1: Vascular are usually reddish because they have to do with
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Speaker 1: blood vessels. Yeah, I think reddish is a very common
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Speaker 1: When you think birthmarks, you think reddish. Typically I think brownish,
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Speaker 1: brownish too. Um. Apparently they can come in a whole
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Speaker 1: rainbow of colors blue, brown, black, pink, white, although I
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Speaker 1: take issue with that purplish or tan. And I take
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Speaker 1: an issue with white because I think white is like
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Speaker 1: a reverse birthmark, although technically it would still count as
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Speaker 1: a birthmark. So the whole rest of your body is
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Speaker 1: a birthmark, and that one little right, Okay, that's right. Um.
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Speaker 1: Birthmarks tend to be an aggregation of either pigment or blood,
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Speaker 1: as we'll see, and white is like an area where
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Speaker 1: pigment is absent, So I guess it still counts as
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Speaker 1: a birthmark, but it's not really a birthmark. If you
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Speaker 1: go into a dermatologist office, they'll be like, he got
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Speaker 1: this all wrong. Uh. And like we said, the skin
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Speaker 1: tags and freckles and things like that, they come later
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Speaker 1: in life, although freckles can start out very early. But
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Speaker 1: it's still not a birthmark because you're not born with
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Speaker 1: that mark. Yeah. And even as we'll see, some types
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Speaker 1: of moles don't technically qualify as birth marks, even though
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Speaker 1: they typically fall under the banner of birth marks. You
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Speaker 1: have to be born with something for it to count
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Speaker 1: as a birthmark, that's right, So that's not even fully true.
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Speaker 1: As we'll see, this is just full applies. Everybody who
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Speaker 1: studies birth marks needs to get their stuff together. So
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Speaker 1: the macular uh um, they're called flat sometimes macular stains,
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Speaker 1: and we're in the vascular right, This is the non pigmented.
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Speaker 1: These are usually caused by blood in large blood vessels.
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Speaker 1: These have some cute names that go along with them,
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Speaker 1: angel kisses. I think some of these can be because
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Speaker 1: of where they're found, although I've heard people cross referencing.
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Speaker 1: Like I think an angel kisses usually on the forehead,
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Speaker 1: but not always. A stork bite is usually on the
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Speaker 1: back of the neck. That makes sense, But I've also
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Speaker 1: when you google stork bite there's some like right on
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Speaker 1: the tip of the nose, and people call them that.
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Speaker 1: I took it to me more like, um, that those
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Speaker 1: those names were derived from the age that they're like
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Speaker 1: kids who are born with this and then it tends
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Speaker 1: to go away at an early age. That's what it's
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Speaker 1: associated with, you know, like the stork brings the baby
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Speaker 1: and the angels, well, everybody agels love babies. What about
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Speaker 1: the salmon patch. I don't understand it at all. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they are usually above the neck um. They usually or
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Speaker 1: a lot of times they'll disappear and and fade away
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Speaker 1: by the time they're two to three years old, but
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Speaker 1: not always. Sometimes the last Yeah, but for the most part,
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Speaker 1: if you have a macular flat vascular birthmark on your kid,
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Speaker 1: they're probably going to outgrow it. Is just really no
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Speaker 1: other way to put They outgrow that birthmark eventually, that's right.
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Speaker 1: Most often, port wine stains are a whole different ball game. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they said they look like kind of what they sound like.
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Speaker 1: They're usually kind of a purplish red where it looks like, uh,
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Speaker 1: well port or wine has been spilled. I would know
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Speaker 1: nothing about what a wine spill looks like, right, because
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Speaker 1: you never ever spill all your wine. It all makes
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Speaker 1: it into your mouth. That's right. I've seen it, so
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Speaker 1: port Weinstein, I say, that's like a whole different kettle
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Speaker 1: of fish. Um, it's in the same uh category as
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Speaker 1: macular because they're vascular. It's like an aggregation of overdeveloped
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Speaker 1: blood vessels kind of close to the skin. But they
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Speaker 1: seem to come from like a whole different um place
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Speaker 1: a whole there's a whole different reason. And in fact
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Speaker 1: we should say this chuck, because this is really important.
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Speaker 1: If you go up to a dermatologist or anybody who
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Speaker 1: would know what they're talking about, and you say, hey,
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Speaker 1: where did birth marks come from? What causes birth marks?
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Speaker 1: They would say, we actually don't know. Um. The closest
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Speaker 1: that they've come is with port wine stains. From what
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Speaker 1: I can tell, they figured out that there's a genean
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Speaker 1: um where the this molecular switch that's supposed to go
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Speaker 1: on and off is locked in the on position, and
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Speaker 1: that they think that this is what causes port wine stains.
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Speaker 1: And the reason that they found it is because about
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Speaker 1: six percent of kids who are born with the port
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Speaker 1: Win stain birth birthmark developed something called Sturge Webber syndrome,
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Speaker 1: which is a neurological condition. Interesting and it's if you
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Speaker 1: have a port wine stain birth market does not mean
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Speaker 1: you have Sturge Webber, but if you have Sturge Webber,
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Speaker 1: you have a port wine birth mark. Six percent of
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Speaker 1: birth port wine birth marks um cases have Sturge Webber.
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Speaker 1: It's actually a symptom, but of people with that condition
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Speaker 1: have right the port wine stain. Yeah, and so in
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Speaker 1: investigating the syndrome and the link between it and the
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Speaker 1: port win Stein birthmark, they found this gene that they
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Speaker 1: think is the culprit. All right, Well, they never go away.
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Speaker 1: A lot of times, they'll get darker as you become older. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And these are not a big deal healthwise either, unless
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Speaker 1: it's something near your eyes that can affect your vision,
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Speaker 1: and then they might want to take a look at it.
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Speaker 1: I also saw that in some cases they can start
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Speaker 1: to get lumpy and actually become disfiguring as you age too.
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Speaker 1: I did see those, and they can also just once
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Speaker 1: they lump, they can scar too. So um, a lot
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Speaker 1: of people seek treatment for port wine stain birth marks.
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Speaker 1: As we'll see. Yeah, strawberry marks is what I referenced
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Speaker 1: at the beginning. You might see these on little babies. Uh.
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Speaker 1: They are haman gioma's is it right? Yeah, and these
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Speaker 1: most of the times, Um, I saw even less than
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Speaker 1: thirty percent. But it says your thirty percent are visible
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Speaker 1: at birth most of the times though. They'll develop between
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Speaker 1: four and six weeks, and I think by the time
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Speaker 1: you hit six months, if you're gonna have one, it
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Speaker 1: will be visible by that point. You won't develop one
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Speaker 1: of these at like the one year mark. No. But
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Speaker 1: again that's there's that one. There's that loophole where it's
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Speaker 1: like you it still counts as a birthmark even though
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Speaker 1: you weren't technically born with It drives me up the wall, right,
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Speaker 1: And these are um a little more reddish. And you've
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Speaker 1: probably seen these, like I said, on babies before, because
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Speaker 1: they're you know, they're pretty common. Um, they will they
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Speaker 1: have they're raised off the skin. That's kind of one
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Speaker 1: of the differentiators is they're not flat so um like
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Speaker 1: hamageum hamage. I've said it like five times in my head,
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Speaker 1: hamaggiomas fifty times probably yes, and I can't say it
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Speaker 1: out loud. Hamaggioma's um macular and port wine seems like
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Speaker 1: we said, these are all over developed blood vessels, clusters
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Speaker 1: of blood vessels there. They're from blood vessels, which is
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Speaker 1: which is why they have that that reddish pigment is
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Speaker 1: because the blood is close enough to the skin and
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Speaker 1: it's clustered together. It's kind of almost pooled right there, right,
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Speaker 1: But it's not like a bruise or any thing like that.
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Speaker 1: It's the blood hasn't escaped. The vessel is just a
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Speaker 1: lot of vessels, are big vessels all clumped together near
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Speaker 1: the skin. What's interesting about maggiomas i did it? Chuck? Ha?
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Speaker 1: Maggioma's nice work? Um him angiomas oh Man, did I
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Speaker 1: miss it twice? I think there's an end in there
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Speaker 1: that it's being forgotten. What's interesting about what you just
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Speaker 1: mentioned is that in some cases they can extend down
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Speaker 1: into the body, and the further they extend down, they
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Speaker 1: won't be reddish, they'll be bluish. Yeah, and they can
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Speaker 1: even be on the organs. It's pretty rare, but it happens.
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Speaker 1: It is, and they can be threatening on the organs.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to have a cluster of blood vessels
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Speaker 1: on your organs. But back to the blue part. So
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Speaker 1: the reason that they look blue is because, as everybody knows,
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Speaker 1: um blood on its way back to the lungs to
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Speaker 1: be oxygenated is blue. That's right, that's not true. I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry to set you up like that. I thought it
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Speaker 1: was true. That's why your morning veins are blue. It's not.
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Speaker 1: And as soon as you get cut and it hits
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Speaker 1: that sweet, sweet oxygen, that just transforms into red. That's
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Speaker 1: what you thought, right, that's what not what I thought
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Speaker 1: as an adult, but that's what I thought as a
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Speaker 1: small child. That's what I thought until this morning. No, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you knew that. No, really, you thought blood was blue? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I thought deoxygen eated blood was blue. Okay, Well do
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Speaker 1: you understand why it appears blue? Well, I mean no,
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Speaker 1: but I just knew that that was like a playground falsehood.
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Speaker 1: Well I was too busy veins are blue, thinking about
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Speaker 1: how we're fighting up it was covered with to learn this.
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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm gonna draw some sweet blue blood out
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Speaker 1: of that jerky with my fists. The reason it's blue
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Speaker 1: is because the deeper it is, the less blue light
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Speaker 1: is able to penetrate, so the less that can be absorbed,
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Speaker 1: and so the light that's reflected tends to be blue
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Speaker 1: more than say red, which penetrates deeper and is absorbed.
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Speaker 1: That has to do with blue foods too, which is
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Speaker 1: a bit for the next episode. Thank you, just put
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Speaker 1: a pin in that. Uh. These strawberry marks though, back
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Speaker 1: to those, they will disappear usually by the time a
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Speaker 1: kid is like into double digits. Um. If they're large,
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Speaker 1: sometimes you might see a scar. These are around the
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Speaker 1: head and neck as well and are most commonly found
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Speaker 1: on Caucasian girls. But they're not They don't have a
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Speaker 1: real impact on development either. Um. But if they are
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Speaker 1: really big and puffy again, they could and around the
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Speaker 1: eyes or ears, they could interfere with hearing and vision
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Right. Yeah, and if you if
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Speaker 1: they're on the on your internal organs, it's a problem.
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Speaker 1: So I think we should take a break because astoundingly
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Speaker 1: we're twenty minutes in and we have not taken a break. Um,
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Speaker 1: So we'll be back to birth marks right after this. Okay,
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Speaker 1: to recap, Remember, vascular blood birth marks are reddish because
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Speaker 1: of blood vessels. Precisely, if anyone misses that question on
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Speaker 1: the quiz tomorrow, your toast is not our fault. So
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Speaker 1: the other kind of birth marks are pigment at birth
19:31
Speaker 1: marks nothing to do with blood vessels. Oh I don't know.
19:35
Speaker 1: There could be a blood vessel or too involved, but no,
19:37
Speaker 1: not really. No, this is because like freckles, like I
19:40
Speaker 1: was telling about, it is just a collection of melanine
19:43
Speaker 1: that's brought out by its unexposure. Yeah, and you have
19:46
Speaker 1: melana sites, melanin cells, melantonin cells, or melanin, one of
19:50
Speaker 1: the two all over your body. It gives you, like
19:54
Speaker 1: the color to your skin. Some people have more, some
19:56
Speaker 1: people have last, but everybody has them. But like you
19:58
Speaker 1: were saying, when they kind of congregate together, that's when
20:02
Speaker 1: they form these pigmented spots that we know as birthmarks. Right,
20:07
Speaker 1: we are in our house, my daughters at the age
20:10
Speaker 1: now where she has started to notice skin color, which
20:14
Speaker 1: is something that you you know, every parent has to
20:16
Speaker 1: deal with at some point. And uh, that's how it
20:20
Speaker 1: was recommended to us to talk about it with scientifically
20:23
Speaker 1: being like, hey, everyone's the same, which got different skin
20:26
Speaker 1: tones because of science, some people have more melanin than
20:28
Speaker 1: other people. Is that why you had me over to
20:31
Speaker 1: dinner and started asking me about that? Yeah, you just
20:34
Speaker 1: wound me up and knew. I go, huh, that's right.
20:38
Speaker 1: So um, but I mean that is tricky stuff for
20:41
Speaker 1: parents because what you're really talking about is the first
20:44
Speaker 1: talks of race, you know, and you just you you
20:48
Speaker 1: have to do it in such a way that diffuses
20:51
Speaker 1: it almost so it's just like, no, everyone's the same.
20:54
Speaker 1: Some people are lighter skin, some people are darker skinned.
20:57
Speaker 1: Both of her best friend Zo or multiracial, which helps. Oh, yeah,
21:00
Speaker 1: I'm sure because we can say you know your friend blank.
21:04
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say names Jerry Blank. She has two
21:08
Speaker 1: friends are both named blank. Um, we can just say
21:11
Speaker 1: you know her skin is a little darker than yours,
21:14
Speaker 1: because you know when you see her parents and try
21:17
Speaker 1: to explain all that, and kids are like, oh, okay,
21:19
Speaker 1: how does this matter? Why does this have to do
21:21
Speaker 1: a big bird, big bird yellow? That's a great question.
21:26
Speaker 1: But these have some cute names too, and they are
21:28
Speaker 1: almost um, well, that's not true. I was going to
21:30
Speaker 1: say they aren't. They're named because of what they look like.
21:34
Speaker 1: But really, just the one is. Yeah, there's really just
21:37
Speaker 1: two types of pigment of birthmarks, or broad categories of it. Yes,
21:41
Speaker 1: the very Parisian cafe latte, Oh cafe l A, Sorry,
21:47
Speaker 1: I just read that A lot tastes different. This has
21:51
Speaker 1: nothing to do with vascular um aggregations of blood vessels. No,
21:56
Speaker 1: And do you get confused on coffee orders or do
21:58
Speaker 1: you know all that stuff? I'm pretty pretty good with it.
22:02
Speaker 1: I don't know what any of them are like anytime
22:05
Speaker 1: someone it's all just a differing amounts of milk, steamed milk, yeah.
22:10
Speaker 1: But like when I hear like a maciato or an
22:12
Speaker 1: Americano American, what these things are a shot of espresso
22:17
Speaker 1: or multiple shots with ultra hot water, right, that's an Americana.
22:22
Speaker 1: I think that's what our friend Chad Crowley drinks. It's
22:27
Speaker 1: it's just a really really really hot black coffee. Okay,
22:31
Speaker 1: that's all interesting, Marcioto, you got me. I don't know,
22:35
Speaker 1: like cappuccino, there's a lot there's like more foam than
22:38
Speaker 1: milk milk. I know those two. It's all just milk
22:43
Speaker 1: or foam or coffee. What's a cafe? A cafe l
22:46
Speaker 1: a is simply coffee with milk. That's it, really, that's
22:49
Speaker 1: what that's literally what it means in French is that
22:52
Speaker 1: like the what's it called in uh in Spanish? Cafe? Okay,
22:57
Speaker 1: that's the same thing then with milk. Okay, I am
23:01
Speaker 1: a dummy. I haven't been drinking. It's not it's not that.
23:05
Speaker 1: It's just it's not that. As you can see, I'm
23:08
Speaker 1: still drinking my uh from this morning. Those are great,
23:13
Speaker 1: aren't they? And it's still hot thanks to And I'll
23:16
Speaker 1: go ahead and plug it the Zoji roushi and I've
23:20
Speaker 1: plugged this on our page before. Like, if you like
23:22
Speaker 1: your coffee hot all day, get one of these little
23:25
Speaker 1: Thermisis this thing keeps this thing hot for ten hours?
23:28
Speaker 1: It really does? Yeah, so much? So I have the
23:31
Speaker 1: same one. You has a little pinquents cute. When I
23:34
Speaker 1: pour coffee in, I have to like pour the coffee
23:37
Speaker 1: into a mug to let it cool off. Have to
23:39
Speaker 1: put it in there because you won't be able to
23:40
Speaker 1: drink it. No, like maybe the next day you could.
23:43
Speaker 1: It keeps it that hot, for sure. We need to
23:46
Speaker 1: get them as a sponsor. Man. They also make out
23:48
Speaker 1: of this world rice cookers too. Uh yeah, I've got
23:52
Speaker 1: Well now, I'm not sure if that's the one I
23:55
Speaker 1: have or another one. I think those are the two
23:57
Speaker 1: best ones in my opinion. I can't remember, bro, I
24:00
Speaker 1: have to look, But all I know is the one
24:01
Speaker 1: I have is very forgiving. You can be pretty off
24:05
Speaker 1: with your measurements and it still makes perfect rice. You
24:07
Speaker 1: can use like butter milk and somehow it still comes
24:09
Speaker 1: out just oh man, buttermilk. That could be all right. Well,
24:16
Speaker 1: here's a little tip for you. You make sushi rice,
24:19
Speaker 1: okay um. Usually you just do a one to one
24:23
Speaker 1: rice to water ratio. Then go in and just put
24:26
Speaker 1: like half like a teaspoon half teaspoon, even depending on
24:31
Speaker 1: how tiny you want to be of rice vinegar. Oh
24:34
Speaker 1: well sure, I usually add that after No, No, you
24:37
Speaker 1: want to pick it together? Yeah, so you want to
24:39
Speaker 1: cook it with it? Yes? Okay. I used to make
24:41
Speaker 1: my own sushi rolls, and then I just got to
24:43
Speaker 1: the point where I was like, it's not worth it.
24:44
Speaker 1: It's just a lot easier to get sushi. Where did
24:47
Speaker 1: you get your your seafood? Uh? Sorry? I would get
24:51
Speaker 1: that at um the decab farmer's market. I would get
24:55
Speaker 1: the tuna there and the crab sticks, which that's easy.
24:59
Speaker 1: Can get that it Kroger's and the seaweed there. But
25:03
Speaker 1: then there's also a Japanese market nearby where I would
25:05
Speaker 1: get the eel to a bacon the oven. But that's
25:08
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, you could do spicy tuna,
25:11
Speaker 1: tuna eel and crabstick California rolls. I really want some
25:16
Speaker 1: sushi right now. I we both eat a lot of sushi.
25:19
Speaker 1: Yeah it's good. Okay. So Cafe A birthmark, So that
25:23
Speaker 1: is the Cafe l A. They are the color of
25:26
Speaker 1: a Cafe l A kind of a light brown, which
25:29
Speaker 1: means coffee with milk. Yep. There and this is to
25:31
Speaker 1: me was when I think birthmark, I think of these
25:34
Speaker 1: because it's just a little brown spot anywhere on the body. Yeah,
25:39
Speaker 1: and that's I think. One of the things we didn't
25:42
Speaker 1: say is with some of the birthmarks there is kind
25:45
Speaker 1: of specific places that they'll appear, yeah, um or they're
25:48
Speaker 1: tied to specific places usually, but with cafe A birthmarks
25:52
Speaker 1: in particular, they're just they got no rules. Forehead but
25:56
Speaker 1: cheek wherever, wherever, um and apparently don't there's nothing, there's
26:03
Speaker 1: no problem with them. But very much like the um
26:08
Speaker 1: the port wine staying birthmark, that cafe A spots are
26:12
Speaker 1: tied to a neurological actually a nerve condition where if
26:17
Speaker 1: you have six or more of these kinds of cafe
26:22
Speaker 1: A birthmarks, UM, especially if they're larger than like a
26:26
Speaker 1: dime in a in an older kid, you want to
26:29
Speaker 1: go to see a doctor because that could mean that
26:33
Speaker 1: you have something called neurofibromatosis. I said that a million
26:39
Speaker 1: times in my head too. You gotta start saying things
26:41
Speaker 1: out loud. Also known as n F one. That's easier,
26:45
Speaker 1: but um n F one is not even necessarily it
26:49
Speaker 1: could It could be asymptomatic. Like if you if you're like,
26:51
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've got six or more cafe A
26:54
Speaker 1: birthmarks on me, maybe I have neurofibromatosis um that that's
26:59
Speaker 1: It's not like a death sentence or anything like that.
27:01
Speaker 1: Just go see a doctor. The Mongolian spots are these
27:06
Speaker 1: look like bruises to me. They can if you don't
27:10
Speaker 1: know what you're looking at. It can be alarming because
27:12
Speaker 1: you see these pictures of babies that look like they're
27:15
Speaker 1: heavily bruised kind of at the lower back upper buttocks area,
27:19
Speaker 1: but it is not bruising. Their bluish gray though, and
27:22
Speaker 1: like I said, usually on the lower back. I think
27:25
Speaker 1: um African Americans, African Asian and Hispanic kids usually with
27:32
Speaker 1: darker skin have more of more of them or more
27:35
Speaker 1: more commonly have them, and these are the ones that
27:38
Speaker 1: fade out by the time they're like, you know, six
27:41
Speaker 1: or seven, usually yeah, And they're usually a bluish green
27:45
Speaker 1: because their clusters of pigment cells together deep under the skin.
27:51
Speaker 1: And so you've got that same thing going on with
27:53
Speaker 1: like you have with the um Hey Mangiomas nice I
27:59
Speaker 1: got it. You got it. There's a good old fashioned mole. Uh,
28:03
Speaker 1: this is a pigmented birthmark. Um. Multiple of them are nev, brown, nev,
28:09
Speaker 1: and e v I because the nevus is a single mole.
28:12
Speaker 1: Are any of these like band names? I don't think so,
28:16
Speaker 1: but very fortuitous mentioning of that because of listener mail later.
28:20
Speaker 1: It is Latin for spot and there are three categories. Yes, uh, no,
28:25
Speaker 1: nev I think mole is Latin for spot. Oh is it? Oh? Yeah, wow,
28:31
Speaker 1: I was just about to make fun of you too.
28:32
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't. I'm glad you have mole sounds
28:36
Speaker 1: real Latin word. Boy. So there are three categories of moles, congenital, acquired,
28:44
Speaker 1: and atypical. The congenital About one percent of babies are
28:49
Speaker 1: born with these, and these are kind of all over
28:52
Speaker 1: the map as far as color and size. Some remember Harry,
28:55
Speaker 1: some of them are not Harry. I saw that basically
28:58
Speaker 1: every congenital mole has a little hair. Hair of some
29:02
Speaker 1: sort can be very very fine. It can be thick,
29:04
Speaker 1: it can be coarse, it can be very dark. Um.
29:07
Speaker 1: Usually they're very dark because they're growing out of pigment
29:09
Speaker 1: cells that are like just pigment away. Um. And I
29:13
Speaker 1: learned that on the Dollar Shave Club blog. Um. And
29:17
Speaker 1: they say also to just kind of pluck because shaving,
29:20
Speaker 1: if you're a man and like say, you have one
29:22
Speaker 1: on your face or whatever, it can nick very very frequently. Yeah. Well,
29:26
Speaker 1: I've got some of the skin tags that obviously don't shape,
29:29
Speaker 1: so it's not a problem now. But well, maybe that's
29:30
Speaker 1: why you have skin tags. If you shaved, you just
29:32
Speaker 1: shave them off all the time, trim them down. I
29:36
Speaker 1: don't think that's why. Now. The skin tags come from
29:39
Speaker 1: like clothing rubbing against the skin. That's why they're around
29:43
Speaker 1: the neckline a lot of times, or sometimes around the waistline.
29:49
Speaker 1: So you know. But again, those aren't birth marks. Those
29:52
Speaker 1: are old man marks, acquired moles. Uh. They come around
29:56
Speaker 1: later in life as well. Uh. And this is not
30:00
Speaker 1: the same as a skin tag. Still, it is still
30:03
Speaker 1: a male and a lot of doctors think that this
30:07
Speaker 1: is from sun damage, yes, but not necessarily cancerous, which
30:14
Speaker 1: leads us into the third type of mole, a typical moles.
30:17
Speaker 1: These aren't necessarily cancerous either, but they're the kind you
30:19
Speaker 1: definitely want to keep an eye on there. Um. There
30:23
Speaker 1: there will be multiple colors or have some sort of
30:26
Speaker 1: color gradient in them. Their shape will be um, just
30:30
Speaker 1: kind of amorphous, yea, irregular. Yeah, they'll be um just
30:35
Speaker 1: kind of You'll be like that don't look quite right.
30:38
Speaker 1: That's that kind of mole. And those are the kind
30:40
Speaker 1: that you definitely want to have a doctor check out
30:43
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know this, but um,
30:47
Speaker 1: an atypical mole is associated with melanoma, and melanoma is
30:52
Speaker 1: no joke. I think a lot of people are like,
30:55
Speaker 1: melan was that thing? Just go, you know, get it
30:57
Speaker 1: removed at the doctor. No, melanoma can spread like lightning
31:01
Speaker 1: through your body and it can be a real problem.
31:04
Speaker 1: It's a very serious thing to to keep up with. Yeah,
31:07
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty sad situation with a family member
31:10
Speaker 1: with melanoma that, um, I think the treatment is going
31:13
Speaker 1: really well, but it is. It has definitely opened my
31:16
Speaker 1: eyes to the fact that it's no joke. Yeah, I
31:17
Speaker 1: had no idea. Um, you may open my eyes. She
31:20
Speaker 1: had somebody that she lost to melanoma. She saw the
31:24
Speaker 1: same thing like melanoma, and no, that's not at all
31:27
Speaker 1: how it is, which is really weird because somebody's dropping
31:29
Speaker 1: the ball because most people just think it's nothing. Yeah
31:32
Speaker 1: on messaging, Yeah, yeah, I agree with myself. Apparently it's
31:37
Speaker 1: interesting that different kinds of cancer have better or worse PR. Yeah,
31:41
Speaker 1: great product, terrible marketing, right, Yeah, it's kind of what
31:45
Speaker 1: we're dealing with here. But I know that, um uh,
31:49
Speaker 1: prostate cancer has often lagged behind breast cancer, like breast
31:53
Speaker 1: cancer does a bang up job of marketing and press
31:58
Speaker 1: and PR and awareness. Um these, like you said, the
32:02
Speaker 1: doctors will want to monitor these over time. What I
32:06
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out was what is the quote unquote beauty mark?
32:11
Speaker 1: Is that an acquired mole? I think a beauty mark
32:14
Speaker 1: is any kind of mole. That's just I'm I'm living
32:18
Speaker 1: with this and and I'm loving every minute. It's so
32:21
Speaker 1: interesting how that has become a thing. I was trying
32:25
Speaker 1: to figure out where it went back to. Obviously, Marilyn
32:28
Speaker 1: Monroe like really kind of popularized, didn't I think it
32:32
Speaker 1: predated her? Like Liz Taylor is at least contemporary, if
32:35
Speaker 1: not predated. Yeah, it's very famous for one. And then
32:38
Speaker 1: like even still it is Cindy Crawford, star Joe um,
32:43
Speaker 1: who else, Oh, Natalie Portman apparently has I'm like on
32:46
Speaker 1: her face. Interesting. I went over this list of celebrity
32:49
Speaker 1: I was like, celebrity birth marks. The only one that
32:52
Speaker 1: comes up though, is moles. Could not I couldn't find
32:56
Speaker 1: any like well known celebrity is with birthmarks like birthmarks,
33:02
Speaker 1: birthmarks like facial birth marks. Yeah, you just I couldn't
33:06
Speaker 1: think of one either. I couldn't find any. Well, that's
33:08
Speaker 1: probably because of the prejudice against them, I would guess, so, yeah,
33:12
Speaker 1: which is sad. Yeah. Um. It reminded me though, Chuck.
33:16
Speaker 1: Didn't one of the Fat Albert gang have a birthmark
33:18
Speaker 1: on his face? Um? I don't know. We was he
33:23
Speaker 1: the guy that had the pulled his toboggan cap over
33:27
Speaker 1: his face? No, I think that was mush mouth because
33:29
Speaker 1: you never see his face at all. Well, then how
33:31
Speaker 1: would you know if he had a birthmark. I don't know.
33:32
Speaker 1: I just thought that might have been a like a
33:35
Speaker 1: backstory or something. I think this just went off the
33:38
Speaker 1: rails enough for um a message break, don't you. Um sure, Yeah,
33:43
Speaker 1: we'll be back right after this and we'll talk about
33:46
Speaker 1: treatment and what I think is a pretty interesting things
33:50
Speaker 1: superstitions throughout history about birthmarks. Greedy. Alright, So, like we said,
34:14
Speaker 1: about most of these birthmarks, usually medical treatment is not necessary,
34:18
Speaker 1: but some are monitored over time, and what doctors will
34:22
Speaker 1: do obviously is examined, examine them, take some pictures, and
34:27
Speaker 1: then just sort of follow that over time that same
34:29
Speaker 1: routine to see if they're changing and to see if
34:33
Speaker 1: they're getting bigger or changing shape or anything unusual. It's
34:37
Speaker 1: a wait and see, yes exactly. Um, if you have hamangioma's,
34:42
Speaker 1: they will UM frequently use like a port wine stain
34:45
Speaker 1: is something that a lot of people go seek treatment
34:47
Speaker 1: for because it's often on the face, the neck right, um,
34:52
Speaker 1: and it actually responds pretty well to a laser treatment,
34:55
Speaker 1: something called the pulse dye laser. Is this like the
34:59
Speaker 1: same tattoo uh treatment or no? Probably because that's pretty painful, right. Oh, yes,
35:04
Speaker 1: Like I can't image because it says children a lot
35:07
Speaker 1: of times can be treated with this laser treatment. But man,
35:10
Speaker 1: I know it's sad. It feels a lot like um,
35:13
Speaker 1: having like a hot bacon grease splashing on your skin.
35:17
Speaker 1: That's what if getting a laser or tattoo remove with
35:20
Speaker 1: the laser, but without the knowledge that like in a
35:23
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, I'm gonna be eating some sweet bacon.
35:25
Speaker 1: More like. The only silver lining too, is that a
35:29
Speaker 1: pig didn't die for you to be in that situation,
35:33
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Right? Or uh, I won't
35:36
Speaker 1: have whatever tattoo obviously don't want on my body anymore.
35:41
Speaker 1: That's the reward, they're right. So if that is the case,
35:44
Speaker 1: then if it is the same feeling as that, then yeah,
35:46
Speaker 1: I feel bad for little kids who get that. But
35:48
Speaker 1: that's the best time to start this treatment is when
35:52
Speaker 1: the child is young, because again, what you're what you're
35:54
Speaker 1: doing is you're using a pulse die laser, which uses
35:57
Speaker 1: a certain frequency or spectrum wavelength of light that is
36:02
Speaker 1: targeted so that that birthmark will absorb that light. The
36:06
Speaker 1: surrounding skin is a different pigment, so it won't absorb
36:10
Speaker 1: that light like the birthmark. Well, and that energy, that
36:14
Speaker 1: light energy is translated into heat energy in the birthmark,
36:17
Speaker 1: and there go the cells or the blood vessels that
36:20
Speaker 1: make up the cells. And after enough treatments, you've hopefully
36:23
Speaker 1: broken up the hamangioma or the port wine stain um
36:27
Speaker 1: and like the birthmark will go away. Did you hear that?
36:33
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? That was me? I think that
36:36
Speaker 1: was me? Now that was mine. Well, then we just
36:38
Speaker 1: had a simultaneous stomach growl because my stomach just growled
36:41
Speaker 1: at the same time. Are we like after after twelve
36:46
Speaker 1: years of podcasting together. So if you are getting something removed,
36:50
Speaker 1: it's usually a vascular birthmark. Um. Generally they don't try
36:53
Speaker 1: and get rid of pigmented birth marks, although it's possible,
36:57
Speaker 1: I think, but usually doctors don't treat that. No, but
37:00
Speaker 1: if you if you have a child with say a
37:03
Speaker 1: cafe ol a birthmark on their on their face, the
37:06
Speaker 1: doctor is not going to be like, no, we're not
37:08
Speaker 1: doing that. They'll they'll probably try to work it out,
37:11
Speaker 1: but the results are not nearly as reliable as with
37:15
Speaker 1: vascular birth marks, which have to do with um blood
37:18
Speaker 1: vessels beneath the skin clustered together, overdeveloped, that kind of thing,
37:23
Speaker 1: or what your doctor might say is, um, you know
37:27
Speaker 1: what this thing is on your forehead, Grow your bangs
37:28
Speaker 1: out until you get old enough to where you accept
37:31
Speaker 1: this as like an individual trait that you're proud of.
37:35
Speaker 1: There's a there's something called the British Association of Skin
37:39
Speaker 1: Camouflage that is dedicated to helping people actually training makeup
37:45
Speaker 1: artists on how to cover birthmarks because for some people
37:51
Speaker 1: they'll just never get used to it. They don't want
37:53
Speaker 1: to have to get used to it. They just rather
37:54
Speaker 1: cover it up. And that's their right, that's the prerogative.
37:56
Speaker 1: That's their birthmark. They can do whatever they want with it.
37:59
Speaker 1: And so the average makeup artist doesn't know how to
38:02
Speaker 1: do that. It actually takes special skills apparently, and so
38:05
Speaker 1: there's groups who train people are interesting to do that.
38:09
Speaker 1: We should do I don't. I don't know if it's
38:11
Speaker 1: a short stuff for full length, but we should do
38:13
Speaker 1: something on vida igo. Uh. I had a friend in
38:16
Speaker 1: l a who, um, who had videl igo. And again,
38:20
Speaker 1: like the same with some of this stuff. It's such
38:22
Speaker 1: a forward facing thing if it's on your face, and
38:27
Speaker 1: it's a big deal to people, it's an important, um,
38:31
Speaker 1: it's important issue because like the bullying, like we were
38:33
Speaker 1: talking about, we're just kids and adults remaining self conscious
38:37
Speaker 1: about that kind of thing. It's it's sad, it is sad.
38:41
Speaker 1: I agreed. I think we could all do a lot
38:43
Speaker 1: better at accepting people with facial differences. What it's called.
38:47
Speaker 1: There's something on facial differences. I don't remember what it was,
38:50
Speaker 1: but I know I've mentioned this group before, changing Faces
38:52
Speaker 1: dot Org. It's awesome. They're just there. Their whole thing
38:55
Speaker 1: is like, hey, actually it's funny they um are they
38:58
Speaker 1: promote skin campus if you want it. But they're also
39:02
Speaker 1: they're big pushes like hey, rest of society, Like there's
39:06
Speaker 1: nothing different about these people except for their face. Like
39:09
Speaker 1: they're not cognitively challenged. They're not. They're not disabled in
39:13
Speaker 1: any way or differently able. Like their face is different
39:17
Speaker 1: for any number of reasons, and it's really kind of
39:20
Speaker 1: on the rest of you to get over it, you know,
39:23
Speaker 1: which I think is the healthiest approach if you ask me.
39:27
Speaker 1: So the superstitions we were talking about, I know we
39:30
Speaker 1: mentioned a couple early on, um, like that you were
39:33
Speaker 1: touched by the devil, like that was real stuff. In
39:37
Speaker 1: some cultures, uh, in China, there were some quirky ones
39:41
Speaker 1: like if you have a right foot birthmark means you're adventurous.
39:45
Speaker 1: It's on the left foot, it means you're really smart.
39:48
Speaker 1: If it's on your tom toms, that means you're greedy.
39:51
Speaker 1: And this is just sort of you know, culture and
39:54
Speaker 1: folklore sure, um, the world around. So because we can't
39:58
Speaker 1: explain what birthmarks or where they come from. All over
40:02
Speaker 1: the world, people societies have said it's something the mom
40:07
Speaker 1: did while she was pregnant. Course, and so we came
40:09
Speaker 1: up with all sorts of dipstick ideas for exactly what
40:12
Speaker 1: the mom did wrong to explain birthmarks. One of my
40:16
Speaker 1: favorites is that the mom was startled and touched her face,
40:21
Speaker 1: and at the exact same moment, the baby's blood vessels
40:23
Speaker 1: at that point in the baby's face formed of birthmark.
40:28
Speaker 1: It's very scientific. Or how about this, If you have
40:31
Speaker 1: a strawberry mark as a baby, it's because mom ate
40:34
Speaker 1: too many red things or can't play off the strawberry
40:37
Speaker 1: or port wine staying they couldn't laugh off the wine. Yeah,
40:41
Speaker 1: or coffee cafe a coffee that's so on the nose, Like,
40:45
Speaker 1: come on, people, it is. There's this thing called the
40:47
Speaker 1: doctrine of signs, where like if a food looked like
40:51
Speaker 1: um a body part, it was associated with helping to
40:55
Speaker 1: heal that body part, like beats um are good for
40:59
Speaker 1: the for the blood or something like that, or avocados
41:02
Speaker 1: are good for the testicles. Exactly. I was hoping you
41:05
Speaker 1: would bring that up. Uh, let me see what else
41:08
Speaker 1: um In Japan if um, a pregnant woman looked at
41:13
Speaker 1: a fire or into a flame of some kind, they
41:16
Speaker 1: thought that might cause a burn mark on the baby skin. Yep.
41:19
Speaker 1: And I think some of these carry forward a little
41:21
Speaker 1: bit even today. Well, the X ray one is obviously
41:24
Speaker 1: fairly modern. Oh sure. Like the explanation is that the
41:28
Speaker 1: mom got an X ray while she was pregnant. In it,
41:31
Speaker 1: it basically left a mark on the baby. Yeah, that's
41:34
Speaker 1: not true. That is not true. No. Um. The one
41:38
Speaker 1: that really is always stuck out to me, and it
41:39
Speaker 1: reminded me of this case I want to tell you about.
41:42
Speaker 1: Um is this idea that a birthmark is actually a
41:45
Speaker 1: mark left over from a past life. This is pretty neat,
41:48
Speaker 1: Like if you have a birthmark that looks like a
41:50
Speaker 1: bullet hole in your back, that means you were shot
41:52
Speaker 1: in the back right in the past life, and not
41:55
Speaker 1: just like that's what that means. Like there there are
42:00
Speaker 1: I really hesitate the uses where they're documented cases of
42:04
Speaker 1: this of this happening. Supposedly, there was this kid in Syria,
42:09
Speaker 1: UM who was born with like a kind of like
42:12
Speaker 1: a slash like birthmark I think, on the back of
42:15
Speaker 1: his head, and apparently from a very early age, when
42:19
Speaker 1: the kid like was able to start to talk, started
42:21
Speaker 1: recounting being murdered with an axe and then started talking
42:25
Speaker 1: about the village where he used to live and who
42:28
Speaker 1: is what his name was, and then the guy that
42:30
Speaker 1: killed him, and it was enough allegedly that the village
42:35
Speaker 1: elders where this kid lived were like, we need to
42:37
Speaker 1: go check this out. So they traveled to that other
42:39
Speaker 1: village and they said, does so and so live here?
42:42
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, he lives over there. And it's like, well,
42:45
Speaker 1: did you did somebody else name this live here? Once
42:47
Speaker 1: they're like, yes, he died, he vanished mysteriously, and they
42:51
Speaker 1: went and talked to They went and talked to the accuser.
42:54
Speaker 1: Um he broke down and confessed and showed him where
42:57
Speaker 1: they buried the body that this kid supposedly was in
43:00
Speaker 1: the past life who was murdered by an X. There's
43:04
Speaker 1: just no way that that happened. But I love reading
43:06
Speaker 1: about stuff like that. The part of me that's like
43:09
Speaker 1: that subscribed to that time life books of like Paranormal
43:12
Speaker 1: Phenomena still loves stories like that. Yeah, I think you
43:18
Speaker 1: lost me when you said village elders. Oh yeah, yeah,
43:21
Speaker 1: because you know they're the same ones that are like,
43:24
Speaker 1: well you're a witch because yeah, see if you see
43:27
Speaker 1: if she floats right, So what else you got any others?
43:32
Speaker 1: Let me see here, Well, we talked about the devil's mark. Uh,
43:35
Speaker 1: supposedly amb Boleyn was accused of witch crafty crafty supposedly.
43:40
Speaker 1: I saw also that she most decidedly was not. Yeah,
43:44
Speaker 1: I think that's the legend all right, possession by the devil.
43:51
Speaker 1: It could be another one. And one thing that we
43:52
Speaker 1: did know was, um, that definitely did happen historically from
43:57
Speaker 1: the seventeenth to the nineteenth centuries. If you were Russian nobility,
44:02
Speaker 1: you proved it by displaying your birth mark. Yeah, I
44:04
Speaker 1: guess so yeah, Um, what's the what was the family
44:07
Speaker 1: of the romanofs pretty interesting? Which actually holds water because
44:12
Speaker 1: they think that some birthmarks may be congenital. It's entirely
44:15
Speaker 1: possible that a family line, especially one that kind of
44:18
Speaker 1: kept in themselves, you know what I mean, could conceivably
44:22
Speaker 1: pass down something like a birthmark. Yeah, and so uh,
44:26
Speaker 1: unless you do you have anything else, No, I don't
44:29
Speaker 1: chuck take it away. I think we just should close
44:31
Speaker 1: by really like stressing to any kids listening and parents
44:36
Speaker 1: of children that vascular birth marks have to do with
44:39
Speaker 1: blood vessels. No, just explain to your kids if there's
44:44
Speaker 1: another kid in their class, as you know, a pretty
44:47
Speaker 1: obvious birthmark, that they're just the same. And don't don't
44:51
Speaker 1: tease kids for that stuff. If you're a kid that's
44:53
Speaker 1: young and listening, we all look different, we all have
44:56
Speaker 1: different skin tones. Yeah, just don't be a jerk. No,
45:01
Speaker 1: I think that's really great advice. Now, I think the
45:03
Speaker 1: golden rule. Think about how you might feel if somebody
45:06
Speaker 1: was making fun of something about your body. That's a
45:08
Speaker 1: good one too. Yeah. Uh, if you want to know
45:10
Speaker 1: more about parenting, while you could just listen to all
45:13
Speaker 1: of our other episodes. And since I said that, it's
45:16
Speaker 1: time for listener mail. Uh. This is from Ryan and Lucy,
45:21
Speaker 1: the aforementioned band name ref Uh. They have been to
45:25
Speaker 1: our shows at the Bellhouse a couple of times, a
45:27
Speaker 1: few times and uh, let me see where are they
45:31
Speaker 1: from here? Road trips between New York and Providence. And
45:37
Speaker 1: then they've seen us at the Bell House and they said,
45:38
Speaker 1: we realize how much we get a kick out of
45:41
Speaker 1: the various band names. And we started to inventory them
45:44
Speaker 1: a few years ago since our wedding is next week,
45:47
Speaker 1: we realize that now it's a perfect time UM to
45:50
Speaker 1: just go ahead and send you the list. I'm not
45:51
Speaker 1: sure why that has anything to do anything, but Ryan
45:53
Speaker 1: and Lucy congratulations. Yea, for what it's worth. Ryan's favorite
45:57
Speaker 1: a is worm burden. Oh yeah, from Hookworm and Lucy's
46:01
Speaker 1: mouth parts. Yeah, that's from a lot of episodes. But
46:05
Speaker 1: we'll just buzz through these really quickly, just for nostalgis
46:08
Speaker 1: sake and aspiring bands jump in and take these and
46:13
Speaker 1: give us some money for him. There's some real gold
46:15
Speaker 1: in here. Are we doing all those? Yeah? Oh my god,
46:18
Speaker 1: that's right. I'll go through them quickly. Fistful of neurons,
46:22
Speaker 1: warm burden, tub of pulp. I know you want to
46:25
Speaker 1: comment on everyone, just throw in what you think is
46:29
Speaker 1: really good gon here like threat simulation theory, poor fred
46:33
Speaker 1: noon in. I remember that one, Uh, sweet, give me
46:36
Speaker 1: the teat. I don't remember that one. It was from
46:40
Speaker 1: Uncanny Valley, but I don't remember saying that was a
46:43
Speaker 1: band or even how it would relate to it. This
46:46
Speaker 1: is from movie Crush Sick Vandalism. That's a good one.
46:50
Speaker 1: Flesh on the chunks, hot plastic, injection, pyrocastic flow. That's
46:55
Speaker 1: a good one. Flaming death, death bolts, pantos that is
46:58
Speaker 1: a legendary one. Conceptual walls framing him cohort offspring, cohort,
47:03
Speaker 1: omni cohort, third generation cohort offspring, spousal cohort. I don't
47:08
Speaker 1: remember any of those. All those were from that heart study. Okay,
47:12
Speaker 1: uh oh, that's right. Cortical homunculous, that's pretty good, medieval synthesis,
47:17
Speaker 1: magic bullet. I want to retract this next one because
47:22
Speaker 1: apparently I said herbal Douches was a good band name.
47:25
Speaker 1: I take that back. That's terrible. Uh. Slaughtered narwhal peck lube,
47:32
Speaker 1: sex linked recessive manhole incidents. That's a good one. Graphic spew,
47:37
Speaker 1: gross nuclear bulge, love it, local group. That's kind of dumb.
47:43
Speaker 1: Oh no, I can see it, kind of like scrantnicity.
47:47
Speaker 1: Oh sure, the Electric Death Commission. I love that one.
47:51
Speaker 1: Dr Foss bomb drop What was that one? Michael Dillon Huh,
47:57
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what that referenced death master file
48:01
Speaker 1: mouth part uh the of course, the classic frozen poop knife,
48:06
Speaker 1: sloth moths, radioactive cats, that one's dumb. Static Crush. I
48:11
Speaker 1: like that one. Damage Knight not bad. The descriptive ists
48:15
Speaker 1: that's a little haughty, I think, but I could be
48:18
Speaker 1: kind of like Mumford and Sonsie kind of music, right, Yeah, exactly,
48:23
Speaker 1: it sounds too much like Decembrists. I think that is
48:27
Speaker 1: exactly right. Bathtub Gin Wasted on Excitement. That's an album title,
48:32
Speaker 1: he says, But that's pretty good as a band. Mother Culture,
48:35
Speaker 1: Jungle x Ray very recent, uh wet record the album
48:39
Speaker 1: from Jungle x Ray to Whale Bolt from Corduroy and
48:43
Speaker 1: then going Postal, which he says is a lot of
48:45
Speaker 1: bands are called that. Yeah, I think you looked that
48:48
Speaker 1: up even into it. I think, so those are good.
48:50
Speaker 1: We always always, any time we talk about great band
48:54
Speaker 1: names from episodes, have to give a shout out, especially
48:56
Speaker 1: when Frozen Poop Knife comes up to Diarrhya Planet. Well,
49:00
Speaker 1: he had that on the list. I think he didn't
49:02
Speaker 1: quite understand that that is a real band. That is
49:04
Speaker 1: a real band that pre dates Frozen Proof Knife. I know.
49:07
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that they've been tweeted at over
49:09
Speaker 1: the years. Oh they've tweeted to us. Oh that's right,
49:12
Speaker 1: they have right, they said, Um, they said, hey, sorry,
49:14
Speaker 1: we're gonna stick with our Thanks for thinking of it.
49:18
Speaker 1: In other words, shut up. Maybe I don't know. I
49:22
Speaker 1: think it depends on how you look at the world. Okay,
49:25
Speaker 1: so I think that's it everybody. I don't remember what's
49:28
Speaker 1: going on anymore. But this is the end of the episode.
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