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Keeping Abreast (or Two) · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of The Mom Wars. Here's Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Mom Wars.
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  Speaker 2: We are deeply apologetic about the break in between episodes.
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  Speaker 2: It's summertime and we are just two moms doing this
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  Speaker 2: for fun at night. My name is Bethany Mandel. You'll
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  Speaker 2: be able to tell because I'm the American here and
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  Speaker 2: I am a homeschooling mom of six and a freelance
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  Speaker 2: writer for places like The Washington Examiner and The New
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  Speaker 2: York Post. And I am joined by.
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  Speaker 3: Pura Kennedy and I am working with Bay Bones today.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to speak quietly because my baby is very
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  Speaker 3: close to me. I'm outside. I'm pretty sure I'm getting
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  Speaker 3: bit by mosquitos. I haven't been in my house in
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  Speaker 3: a month because it's being renovated. And I got back
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  Speaker 3: to what I thought would be a half function in house,
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  Speaker 3: and I got back to no kitchen whatsoever, not even
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  Speaker 3: a sink, no floor. So that's been very stressful.
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  Speaker 2: So we went through that two summers ago exactly. We
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  Speaker 2: ripped out when when we're done recording, i'll show you
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  Speaker 2: the videos. But we ripped out the floors. We got
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  Speaker 2: it our entire kitchen. It was quite the experience. I
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  Speaker 2: became an expert cook in all things air fryer, instant pot,
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  Speaker 2: and then I bought this, like I think it's like
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  Speaker 2: an it's I think it's the air the instant Pot company,
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  Speaker 2: but they sell like this little sort of mini rotisserie oven.
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  Speaker 2: But I cooked a lot of things in there that
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  Speaker 2: were not rotissory. But it came in handy because so
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  Speaker 2: we keep kosher, and so when we travel, I bring
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  Speaker 2: those things with me and I'm like, I have a
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  Speaker 2: whole repertoire now of things that I can make just
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  Speaker 2: in these appliances. So you're you're gaining valuable life skills.
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  Speaker 3: I like the positive spin. I mean, the worst part
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  Speaker 3: for me is that I feel like I haven't eaten
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  Speaker 3: like a salad in a long time, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: like takeaway food is just crap. I feel unhealthy inside
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  Speaker 3: and out. And also it's just so hot. It's so hot.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the good news is you're not paying for AC
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  Speaker 2: at your house.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, So the airbnb people are I was actually
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  Speaker 2: thinking about how high are electric bill is going to
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  Speaker 2: be this month because it's one hundred degrees here, it's
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  Speaker 2: one hundred degrees where you are as well, we don't
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  Speaker 2: live that far apart.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we just got propane, so our electric bill is
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  Speaker 3: a tenth of what it used to be. So that's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you and I have been on so many vacations.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's been like what two or three
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  Speaker 2: weeks since was released an episode, it's been terrible.
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  Speaker 3: If somebody texts me to and they were like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: when's the next episode going to be? And I was like,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to record tonight, and they were applied back
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  Speaker 3: and said, oh, I had a feeling that, like, your
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  Speaker 3: husband's found the podcast, didn't you guys had to stop
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  Speaker 3: duing it.
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  Speaker 2: We've said some really personal things here. Does does Nick
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  Speaker 2: listen to the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: No, but he is the closest he has ever been
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  Speaker 3: to me. Well, I'm recording, so I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna listen in right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Seth has so it was actually funny. So Seth
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  Speaker 2: is on the Commentary magazine podcast, which is excellent. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: should subscribe and listen to that. And I have been
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  Speaker 2: trained that whenever he walks in the room when I'm
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  Speaker 2: listening to the commentary podcast to immediately turn it off
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  Speaker 2: because he yells at me because he hates listening to himself.
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  Speaker 2: So today that happened. He walked into the room when
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  Speaker 2: I was listening, and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, ah, sorry. So Seth is the only one who
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  Speaker 3: Nick doesn't keep his rule with, which is Nick doesn't
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  Speaker 3: listen to any of his friends' podcasts. He thinks it's
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  Speaker 3: bad for the relationship, but he actually still listens to
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  Speaker 3: Commentary because he's like a daily listener of that, and
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  Speaker 3: he couldn't give it up when Seth joined.
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  Speaker 2: Since Seth doesn't listen to this podcast, I'm no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: certain of that. I stopped listening for a while because
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  Speaker 2: I found it annoying to hear his opinion because I
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  Speaker 2: live with him, and so I'm like, I only have
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  Speaker 2: a limited time to listen to podcasts. I'm not wasting
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  Speaker 2: it on someone I live with and talk to all
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  Speaker 2: day long. But I have been a daily podcast listener
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  Speaker 2: of Commentary for like five seven years or something. It
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  Speaker 2: was actually my idea to start the podcast when I
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  Speaker 2: worked there twelve years ago, so I couldn't give it up.
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  Speaker 2: And so I really like the days that he's not
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  Speaker 2: on it. But I listened to all the days. But
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  Speaker 2: it was actually funny today because I was right outside
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  Speaker 2: the door when they started the podcast, because our baby
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  Speaker 2: woke up and he will he is only in interested
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  Speaker 2: in his father. He does not like me, and so
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  Speaker 2: I was standing there like debating with him, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, daddy's recording a podcast. We can't go in there.
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  Speaker 2: He can't come. You're stuck with me. I'm very sorry.
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  Speaker 2: And so I was like debating with the baby, whose
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  Speaker 2: room is right next door to our room, which is
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  Speaker 2: where we both record podcasts, and so I heard the
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  Speaker 2: first couple of minutes of the episode. I overheard what
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  Speaker 2: he was saying. And so it was really fun today
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  Speaker 2: when I listened to the podcast and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's what that was. I was wondering why he was
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  Speaker 2: talking about Moses.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I get the last time we recorded. I've met
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  Speaker 3: your kids. Yes, what you think of them?
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  Speaker 2: And it erks.
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  Speaker 3: No, they're like they're on little team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes they like saction off and it's like three against two,
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  Speaker 3: like one against the other. It's great. It's like it's
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm so used to small families. That's
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  Speaker 3: seeing six kids, never mind the parents. It's just so
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  Speaker 3: funny watching the dynamics.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a question, and actually I actually have
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  Speaker 2: two questions related to that. Number One, Nick had a
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  Speaker 2: fantastic piece in the Free Press on Father's Day that
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  Speaker 2: we totally neglected, linking the fact that both of our
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  Speaker 2: husbands were wonderful pieces on Father's Day. But yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: should have put it on our sub stack. But if
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  Speaker 2: we're just being honest, Nick's was incredible. He mentioned like
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  Speaker 2: being in the piece, but I think that he had
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  Speaker 2: written it by the time you guys came over. But
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  Speaker 2: he wrote like he was with a family that had
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  Speaker 2: a lot of kids or something, and it sounded like us.
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  Speaker 2: But do you know, was it think?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was. Yeah, Well did he say, but
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  Speaker 3: was it nice?
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember. It was, yeah, it was nice. It
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  Speaker 2: was like the chaos of like I was with a
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  Speaker 2: family that had a lot of children, and the chaos
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 3: You're the only family we know. That's that big, I
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  Speaker 3: think Maclaurs.
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  Speaker 2: I think I don't want to be a narcissist, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that was about us.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was. I think he mentioned it to me.
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  Speaker 2: So here's my second question. And we've talked about this
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  Speaker 2: in the podcast before with Evan. When Evan came on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast, Evan Large family inspired our large family. How
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  Speaker 2: did you feel after spending the day with our large family?
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  Speaker 2: Did we rub off on you?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we've been pretty committed to two kids from
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  Speaker 3: the beginning, Okay, I mean Nick grew up in a
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  Speaker 3: family of five with five kilns. Sorry, I mean, and
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  Speaker 3: he kind of felt like a freak show with five
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  Speaker 3: but he I mean, he grew up in New York City,
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  Speaker 3: so in like Manhassan, you know, five kids in Manhassan,
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  Speaker 3: he said, they used to walk into like restaurants and
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  Speaker 3: like everybody would stay.
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  Speaker 2: That happens to me here in orthodox like in Kosher restaurants.
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  Speaker 3: Really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we don't go that often, but we go
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  Speaker 2: like fairly frequently to the Chinese restaurant in Baltimore. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so they may remember us because one of our kids
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  Speaker 2: vomited there once, but they know us like we stand
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  Speaker 2: out in their brains. So like I went the other day,
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  Speaker 2: it was like a couple of weeks, like two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: with only two of my children. It's my oldest and
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  Speaker 2: my third and the immediately, multiple waitresses are like, where's
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  Speaker 2: all the other children? And I was like, that's really sad.
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  Speaker 2: When all the waitresses in another town know you, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's that's that's a troubling sign. But no, I feel
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  Speaker 2: that way are everywhere we go. I feel like a
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  Speaker 2: freak show. But I kind of love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you freaks shows are good. So
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  Speaker 3: we've always kind of been committed to two, but I
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  Speaker 3: know two kids by like twenty seven, twenty eight and
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  Speaker 3: then no more seems like a bit of a stretch.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'll go through that saying that everybody goes through
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  Speaker 3: when the youngest kid is like five, and I'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we could do it again. Remember how fun I was?
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  Speaker 2: Really good?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I realized a couple days ago that I'm never
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  Speaker 2: going to breastfeed ever again. Yeah. I have been nursing
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  Speaker 2: for almost twelve years NonStop. I took a short break
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  Speaker 2: between my third and my fourth kid. There's like an
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  Speaker 2: eight month break. Maybe I've either been pregnant or nursing
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  Speaker 2: for almost well for more than twelve years, because I
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  Speaker 2: was pregnant twelve years ago and this is it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: done being pregnant. Wait, are you breasted in that No,
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  Speaker 2: he weaned and I don't know when he weaned, which
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  Speaker 2: is nice because I didn't like have like a weepy yea,
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  Speaker 2: this is the last time yea. And it was him,
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  Speaker 2: not me, which I'm also very happy about. Because I
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  Speaker 2: traveled a lot in May, I was I was away
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  Speaker 2: from him for like three weeks in May. It was
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  Speaker 2: really terrible, and I came back from both trips and
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to nurse, and so it wasn't like because
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  Speaker 2: of the travel. But at some point he just stopped,
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  Speaker 2: like sometime in the last month, he stopped asking and
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't offering, and that was just it. And now
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  Speaker 2: that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so if you don't nurse for three weeks, you
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  Speaker 3: can still nurse.
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  Speaker 2: I went to London with the kids for a week
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  Speaker 2: and I was home for four days, and in those
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  Speaker 2: four days I nursed, So it like kept my supply up.
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  Speaker 2: If you can go like that long without doing it, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if the kid, if the kid is old enough and
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  Speaker 2: barely nursing as it is, yes, But I made this mistake. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: when I was in Israel, like a year ago, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't think that he was nursing a lot, and so
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't bring a pump or anything. I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, it's fine. And I was in agony
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  Speaker 2: in Jerusalem and I was at a Shabbat lunch and
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  Speaker 2: there was a woman there who had a little baby
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  Speaker 2: at the table, and I was so shameless. I was like, so, like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you feed your baby? And she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm nursing, and I think she thought it was like
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  Speaker 2: a mommy wars, like very intrusive question. I was like
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  Speaker 2: that sometimes do you pump and she's like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: guess I do. I'm like, oh, that's cool. I I
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  Speaker 2: would really love a pump right now. She was like,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to borrow night after she bat and
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  Speaker 2: I was like yes, I do, and she was so sweet.
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  Speaker 2: She dropped it off at my house. I pumped like
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  Speaker 2: two full bottles and then I was like do you
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  Speaker 2: want them because I'm not bringing them back with me,
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  Speaker 2: and she was like yeah, I do. Actually, thanks, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. I'm gay for my milk. And so then
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  Speaker 2: it was like this awkward I was like, just so
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I'm not on any medication, like because
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  Speaker 2: you're taking like my bodily fluids to give to your baby.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like you're entitled to that information. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a very awkward, very like one and
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  Speaker 2: only meeting with this girl.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, are you one of these people who pump like
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  Speaker 3: letters and leads or whatever you guys measure it in.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing Nothing comes out when I pumped. This was the
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  Speaker 2: most that has ever come out, and it was because
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  Speaker 2: I was excruciatingly gorge if I had to pump, if
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  Speaker 2: like I had gone back to work or something, there
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  Speaker 2: was absolutely no way I could have nursed because nothing
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  Speaker 2: comes out. I was shocked at how much came out
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  Speaker 2: when I did this in Jerusalem. It was literally the
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  Speaker 2: only time this has ever happened to me in twelve
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  Speaker 2: years of nursing.
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  Speaker 3: So if you do bright, because obviously I didn't breastfeed,
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  Speaker 3: and my boobs filling up and then we having to
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  Speaker 3: wait for them to dry out was by far the
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  Speaker 3: most painful pond of the whole pregnancy and post bottom
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  Speaker 3: and both even.
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  Speaker 2: It's very painful the first time, the first time I
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  Speaker 2: remember waking up. This is so much information. I remember
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  Speaker 2: waking up the first time like I had my first baby,
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  Speaker 2: and when my milk came in, there was like it
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  Speaker 2: was embarrassing, like there was milk all over our bed.
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  Speaker 2: I like had leaked everywhere. We had to change the sheets.
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  Speaker 2: It was really everywhere. I never had that again. I
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  Speaker 2: never had that painful engorgement. I never had any of that.
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  Speaker 2: It was much easier after that first time. The first
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  Speaker 2: time was such a hot mess. I also knew what
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  Speaker 2: I was doing more. That's good, but it was surprising actually,
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  Speaker 2: like even with this, that newborn phase is so short,
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  Speaker 2: and it's really hard to nurse in newborn. When I
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  Speaker 2: had my like fourth and my fifth, the midwife was like,
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  Speaker 2: so you're good, right, And I was like, can you
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  Speaker 2: just show me again how to do this because it's
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  Speaker 2: been a while and this is hard. So even like
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  Speaker 2: even my fourth and my fifth, and I think my
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  Speaker 2: sixth too, I think I needed help because it's not
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  Speaker 2: like this intuitive thing, and the newborn phase is so short,
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  Speaker 2: like the thing that was driving me nuts about nursing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's two and a half and it was
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  Speaker 2: driving me nuts because he would like wiggle around and
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  Speaker 2: he would like dance on top of me while he
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  Speaker 2: was nursing, and like that phase is much much, much
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  Speaker 2: much longer than the newborn phase. The newborn phase. You
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  Speaker 2: really have to like guide them to you toddler like
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  Speaker 2: older babies and toddlers, it's just like intuitive. So mine
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  Speaker 2: was I mean, what what Oh, so my eight year
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  Speaker 2: old just walked in that room and then was like
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  Speaker 2: he did that Homer Simpson thing where he sank back
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  Speaker 2: into the bushes. He was like sorry and like sank back.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: That's the problem with having two podcasting parents. You're never
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  Speaker 3: going to walk into So I show people my engorged
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  Speaker 3: breasts as like a joke when the milk first came in, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and videos, because it was so comically bad that, like,
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  Speaker 3: I just have to show people.
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  Speaker 2: How does make feel about that?
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  Speaker 3: He's like, all for there is trust me, there is
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  Speaker 3: nothing sexual about those videos. That's so disgusting. And people
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  Speaker 3: don't hide the disgust on their face when I shut them.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, to be fair, I'm like showing in their face.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, look at this, look at this. How terrible
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  Speaker 3: is it? And they're like, oh my god. I mean
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  Speaker 3: I remember FaceTime and my mum at the time and
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  Speaker 3: just like pulling my top up and she's just like laugh.
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  Speaker 3: It was so bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was trying to make you write it for
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  Speaker 3: a very long time, and she was like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to write in because I don't think it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be as positive as you think it is. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, it's going to be fine.
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  Speaker 3: And then she flew here and we all went away together.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, so, let's work on that piece.
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  Speaker 3: And she was just kind of telling me about the
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  Speaker 3: notes that she already had and we were kind of
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  Speaker 3: making it into like a story, and she cried like
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  Speaker 3: three or four times, and I was like, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 3: this is sadder than I thought it was going to be.
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  Speaker 2: That's really sweet. It's always so interesting for me because
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  Speaker 2: my parents have been dead for so long that I'm
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  Speaker 2: always fascinated by the relationships of other adults with their
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  Speaker 2: parents because I never had that. Like I was sixteen
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  Speaker 2: when my mom died, nineteen when my dad died, and
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  Speaker 2: I just find adult relationships and navigating them so fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: I had someone here today who is She came over
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  Speaker 2: for dinner and we were chatting about like someone that
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  Speaker 2: she's dating, and she was wondering if her parents care,
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  Speaker 2: like what her parents will say and whatever, And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, so you care what your parents will say?
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I don't have any advice for you. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how I would navigate that. And like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: torn because I wanted to be like, who cares what
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  Speaker 2: your parents say? You have to date, you want to date,
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  Speaker 2: But then this little voice in my head is like,
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  Speaker 2: you're a parent, now, how would you like if your
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: kids did that?
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: One day?
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Don't know what to say. Now, what did you say?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I was very noncommittal. I had the like two devils
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: on either side. Of my shoulder, and I couldn't decide
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: who to listen to. The devil that says screw your
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: parents and the devil that says you're a mom now.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But it's funny because I tell my kids, like I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: get veto power over who they date and marry and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: all those things, and they're like, lol, Now.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I mean it's funny like becoming a parent and then
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: thinking about your relationship with your parents and how kind
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: of like just for the first time, you're kind of
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: in their shoes. I mean, this is just with my
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: mum because my dad's dead. Like just like thinking about
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: the choices that she made during my childhood and like
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: if I understand them, if I would have done anything differently,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: and just like I had like a long kind of
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: process of thinking about that when I was pregnant, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I kind of came to the conclusion that she did
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: a pretty good job. And I don't know if I
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: would have changed anything, and if I would, it would
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: have been small things. And I kind of like understand
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: why she made the choices that she made, and I
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: think it was like a very just nice moment for me.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Nick did it too. We kind of spent a couple
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: nights talking all night, just about like parts of our
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: childhood that we liked that we didn't and like what
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: we would do differently. It was really nice.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: So I always think about that was lovely and I
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: don't want to bring this to a dark place. But
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: the Michael Jackson documentary about the abuse that he almost
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: certainly inflicted on young boys. Mm hm, So I watched it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, I think it's called like finding Neverland. That
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: might be a lie though, but I don't remember the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: name of it. But what I found, Yeah, what I
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: found most interesting about that documentary was when the men said,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: because the filmmakers asked them like point blank, like why
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: are you coming forward now, like why are you doing
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: this twenty years after the fact, And they both said independently,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: obviously they could have like compared notes before they did this,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: but both of them independently said, I did not realize
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: what I experienced was abuse until I became a parent
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: of a child of that age, and then I realized,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: oh I was not able to consent at seven years old.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Oh that was not like that was not a relationship
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: when like what we were involved in that was abuse.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And I think about that a lot as I've become
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a parent, because I see my childhood through the lens
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of my child. I see my childhood through the lens
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of like being the parent now on the other side.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And so like I have older kids, so like my
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: oldest is eleven, I have a five year old and whatever,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: and I think, like, oh, when I was, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: five six years old, I stopped seeing my father on
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a regular basis. He lost visitation when I was my
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: fifth child's age, no, actually my sixth child. My parents divorced.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I was like two and a half almost three, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: so I see like these data points of my childhood
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: through like, oh I was his age, I was that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And it blows my mind that I experienced those things
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: at those ages because I realized, like, wow, I was
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: really young and that was really sad. I really forgot.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: But similarly to you, I I'm like, wow, my mom
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was incredible, and I like I was critical of you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was not a good childhood. Like, by
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: no measure, it was not a good childhood. But I
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: think it like through all the things that she went through,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and it was as good as it could be given
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the circumstances. And I like I think I think through
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: like the things that like Seth and I do, like
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: looking at pictures of the kids and how obsessed we
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: are with them, and the fact that my mom didn't
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: have that, Like she didn't have someone to like, you know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: if there's inevitably like a medical thing that happens and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you're like right now where I'm really really on the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: fence about taking my five, my almost four year olds
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: tonsils and adnoids out. I don't know what to do,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and I have someone who will spend endless amounts of
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: time with me debating this. Yeah, no one on planet
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Earth cares more about this child than him besides me.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I like I need that person to cavech to to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: bounce things off of, to to like cavel, like to
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: like feel proud and you know, swoon over our children.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And I can't imagine doing all of that alone. And
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I mean my mom would have done none of those
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: things with my dad. My dad was a deadbeat jerk,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: but like I must have been really difficult. Yeah, and
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: like what about when you're sick, Like she still had
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to be the one hundred percent parent all the time.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy that I think about because my mom
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: was a single mother as well. My dad was in prison,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: and just like the stuff that she must have done
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: alone at nineteen. By the way, I'm like, how did
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you even do it? How did I survive? How did like? Okay,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: so I think she was pretti.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: This is this is also how what makes you feel
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: really good about your child, like your child rearing, because
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you're like, no matter what I do, my kid is
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: going to be way better off than I would This,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: like all of this covetching that our generation do about
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: like overthinking motherhood and like beating themselves up and all
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of those things. I feel like I'm immune to it
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, m hm, I've never I've told this
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: story on the podcast before. If I've never left a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: child in the backseat of a car unsupervised for three
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: hours so I can go to Melissa Ethridge concert at
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the Beach. I'm killing it at motherhood.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. That's yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad parenting.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. I mean the stuff that we beat
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: ourselves off about.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't beat myself up about almost anything.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'm killing it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean you saying this.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: We were unapologizing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, but in comparison to my mother,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: who again like left me on supervised in the backseat
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: of a like sedan so she could listen to.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I hope the windows put down or like you went
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: locked in or something.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: They were but it was it was August, it was hot,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and it was like but it was at the beach,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: so there was a really nice breeze. But I did
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: have to get out and pee. That was pretty scary. No,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: that was just terrible parenting. And my mom recognized when
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: she when she got back to the car and she
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: saw how scared I was, she was like, oh, really,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have done that, Like, nope, nope, why don't you
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: just take you in? Would you have had to get
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: in ticket? She didn't have a ticket? Okay, yeah, so
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you know what, what was she supposed to do? Hire
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: a babysitter, spend twenty bullocks on another ticket?
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, hang on, So you've been away, I've been away.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Where did you go?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: We went to jelly Stone, which is like this I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: wrote about it for the sub SEC. It's a super
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: fun like family campground. But we had to bug out
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: because my so my five year old now she's six,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: she just turned six, like two days ago, a day ago.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Who really was her birthday? It was Idria yesterday, heard
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the day before, I don't remember, So she just turned six.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: She was jumping. They have these like jumping pillows and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: she was jumping on it, and a very large woman
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: got on the jumping pillow with her and sent her flying,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: and she landed funny, like she had her leg still extended,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: because like, she's not you're not able to like judge
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: when you're gonna land when someone sends you flying. So
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: she landed pretty badly.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: And wait, was this like an adult woman or another kid?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was an adult woman who was like not
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: light and and so she landed badly, and we were
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: convinced that she really really injured herself, that she like
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: tore something or broke something. So this was like Thursday
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: of last week, maybe Wednesday night. It was Wednesday night,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: so it was six days ago, and we bugged out
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and we were like, I'm gonna probably have to go
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to the emergency room with her. I'd rather do it
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: back home. Let's just go home now. We were going
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to leave in the morning anyway. So we get home
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and the second we get home, she runs in the house,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I think I don't have to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: go to the emergency room. I think we're safe. But
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I have this like reoccurring thing where I try as
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: much as I can not to go to the emergency room,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and sometimes I stretch it too far. And I may
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: have done that this time, because today she went to
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: a trampoline park with her camp and when she got back,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: she was like near like when I picked her up
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: off the bus, she was near tears and her knee
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: was super swollen and it was the same knee that
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: she had her at Jellystone and I had. I was
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: already I already had a pediatrician appointment for one of
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: my other kids because he's had a cough for like
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: a week and I wanted to make sure it wasn't pneumonia.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, I hate to do this.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. I know you hate when people do this,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: but can you also check this child too, and fully
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: recognizing it's like the thing that pisses pediatricians off more
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: than literally anything else is when you sneak a second
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: sick child in. And I was like, I'll pay the kope,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it's not the issue. I didn't know that she was
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: hurt until we got here and the pediatrician was like, yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you might need to get an X ray at this
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and I was.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Like, oh.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Wait, well, it's the app emergency room. Why I'm gonna
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: go to Children's. So this is a good data point
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: for you to know and for anyone who lives in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the DC area. Children's has a very good X ray
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: department and they have like orthopedics in the same building
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and you can just go right up there and they'll
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: put a cast if you need. It's all in one
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and it's a one snap shop if you have a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: broken bone. I'm going to see how she's feeling in
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the morning, and I may spend my morning at the
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: dimmer Instagram. We'll see super excited. I'm sorry, Yeah, how
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: was your trip? You went to the Outer Banks?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Right, No, we didn't go to the Outer Banks. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: thought we went to the Outer Banks, and it turns
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: out we didn't go to the Outer Banks. And I
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: learned this on a bone with a guy called Captain
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Charlie who took us to go and find shark teeth.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I love the Outer Banks.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: He was like, oh no, that's like six hours a
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: different way. We went to Currie Beach, which is not
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: pronounced how I thought it was. It was pronounced Currie Beach.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Where is that k r E. It's North Carolina, is it? Yeah?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: It is North Carolina. It's just not the Outer Banks
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: nowhere near the Outer Banks.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Hold on, how do you spell that cute?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Ku? Hey you are e? Okay, it's by Wilminton. Do
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you know that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's where they filmed Dawson's Creek.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's what he said. That's what he said.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is this is when the this is
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: when the generation divide gets us. Did you watch Dawson's Creek?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Oh God, I love that. I love that show. One
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of my guilty pleasures in how I like relax at
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: night before I go to sleep, is I watch old
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Dawson's Creek clips on Instagram and the like for you
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: on Instagram. Now, the suggestions is pretty much it just
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: feeds my addiction and it's just all a funny And
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: it was funny because I've I think I've told the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: story of how Seth and I met on the podcast.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I don't remember, but I was basically I was dating
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: his best friend.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: And I didn't know that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Oh really, then I haven't told this story.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've never DoD this.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I met his best I'm going to do this.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I met his best friend at a party and the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: like one of the first dates that we had, he
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: told me that his best friend was actually my soulmate.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And I was like, that's a strange thing to say
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to someone you're trying to date. And then he would
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: come up all the time. Every time I would say like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: oh I love this book, I love this movie, I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: love this whatever. He would be like, oh, yeah, Seth
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: did that. Seth loves that movie Seth. And I'm like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: why do you keep trying to sell me on the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Seth guy? And so then I like plotted to meet
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Seth and I met him and I was like, oh crap,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: he's the.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Better Oh no, wait, how did you break it off
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: with the first guy?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: So I was living in Cambodia. I moved to Cambodia,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and I like left it open ended with the other guy.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: But I was plotting for a very long time to
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: get with Seth. Like I only stayed with that guy
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: so that I had plausible reasons to talk to Seth.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And so I was I knew like very quickly that
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: he was correct that Seth was my soulmate. So I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: offered to the Yankees were in the World Series, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the other guy had season tickets, so he had tickets
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to the World Series. It looked like it was going
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: to go to Game six. And I found this like
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I was living in Cambodia and I found this crazy
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: sale on a flight the week that I had off
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that was when Game six was going to happen. And
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, I could make it back for Game
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: six actually, and like spend like a day and a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: half with you and go to the World Series with you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And he was like, well, you know that. I promised
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: that ticket to Seth, And so I asked Seth and
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Seth was like, heck, yeah, go for it. And he
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: was telling the guy like his best friend. He's like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you should marry this one. She is amazing. You get
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: on that take take her to the World Series, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: like wed that one. And the other guy was like, oh,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so, and Seth was like,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: you're nuts, and so he said he wouldn't give me
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Seth's ticket. Even though Seth consented to it, and I
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: was like, I can't even pretend to like you anymore,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: like I'm done here. And so Seth and him ended
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: up going to that game, which was the clincher for
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the whole world.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: But I thought you were gonna say he decided to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: give Seth his ticket and to give you Seth's ticket
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: and you went together. So that's not how I went.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I broke it off with that guy. I
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: was like, this is this there's no I'm not interested
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: in this, like even open ended, like I don't even
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: want to really talk to you anymore. I'm not interested
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: in this. And then as soon as I did that,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Seth and I were only communicating on g chat, which
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: was like Google Chat, and as soon as I did that,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: we were talking almost every day for like nine months.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: We started talking about getting married, but like with no
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: like there was no transition. So all of a sudden,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, on Monday, I broke up with so
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and so, and on like Wednesday, it was like, so,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: what are we going to name our first child?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: And that sounds and.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: We did name our first child that name that we
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: decided on g Chat.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And I told him I was like, you have to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: be okay with this name and if not, then this
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: relationship has in no future. And he was like, no,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, well I'll agree to name that
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: that child that name. And so I was like, okay,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: then we can we can move forward here. And so
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: there was never like a conversation like we are a couple.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: It was just like immediately jumped into we will be
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: getting married, which is a lot of pressure on the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: fact that so I was in Cambodia and he was
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: in New Jersey and so this was like November ish,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and and I had a pre planned trip back to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: America for the Christmas New Year's break. There was like
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: a two week break, and I was coming back to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: America to visit friends and family. And we decided to
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: meet in Central Park in Strawberry Fields for some romantic
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: reason after Shabbat, but like it was December and freezing,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: and I was I was waiting for him in the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: middle of Central Park in the dark, and I was like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: this was maybe not as romantic because as I thought
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: it would be. And he walked up to me and
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: we kissed, and he had like a runny nose and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: like snotted all over me, and I was like, oh,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I have the ick. I don't like this guy. This
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: is terrible. I've like And by the way, now his
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: best friend's not talking to him anymore, nor are any
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of his friends or many of my friends too, Like
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: all everyone was mad at us and I had the icke.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to interrob. So, how did you know
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: the first guy? He was just like in your friendship group?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. I met him at a party through friends
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that I went to Rutgers with. So first date at
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Central Park, I had the ick because snotted on me.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And then we went to we went to Penn Station
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to go back to New Jersey, and the whole train
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: ride from Penn Station to New Jersey we made out
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and it was like it was like lightning, like wow, chemistry,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and I was like, like the likes of which I
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: have never ever ever experienced. And I was like, Okay,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I don't have the ick. I have the opposite of
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the ick. And so I came back. I was I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: was home for thirteen days, and I came back to
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: see my friends and my family. I saw zero people.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I spent the entire thirteen days with him and my
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: best friend at the time texted me on my way
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: back to Cambodia at the end of that trip, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: she was like, well, it was great seeing you, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, the good news is I'm definitely
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: marrying this guy. So it was not like it's not
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like I didn't see you for nothing.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: So how long did you go back to Cambodia for?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So we decided on that trip that we were going
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to meet up in April in Israel, which we did,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: so we spent another thirteen days together in Israel and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: then so that was April, and then I came home
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: in like June or so, and then he moved with
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: me to Washington in July.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: And when did you get married?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: The wedding was like a year later because I had
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: to convert to Judaism. Oh yeah, because my mother was
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: not Jewish my father was Jewish, which is not good enough.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Wait the burning question did that guy ever speak to
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: either of you again?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: So we saw him at a mutual friend's daughters bot
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Mitzvah like two years ago, and it's been so long that, like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't even think of it until we were almost
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: at the bot. Mispah was like, wait a second, is
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: he going to be there, and Seth was like, oh, yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: he's definitely going to be there, and I was like,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: oh okay, and we saw him and it was like
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: medium awkward. He's married with children now. I knew his
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: wife from college and we were Facebook friends for since college,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and she posted six seven years ago that they were
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: looking for nanny as we were moving, and so I
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: gave her my babysitter's phone number, and so we shared
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a babysitter until COVID, and so I was nice to them.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I gave them like the best babysitter of all time.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you did that?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Seems yeah, he wasn't going to marry me, So like,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: what's the problem here?
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: What about the rest of the friendship group? Did they
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: get out of it or did you just like never
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: speak to them again?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Almost so none of his friends ever spoke to him again,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that stopped talking to him. These were like lifelong friends
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that he went to preschool with. Like it was awful, crazy, Yeah,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: it was really awful. And then of my friends, most
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of them didn't speak to me again. But weirdly, October seventh,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: one of my closest friends from college who I stopped
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: speaking to when all this happened when October seventh happened.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: She lives in Tel Aviv now, and she's like one
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: of these people that's like connected to everyone, and she's
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: like this real incredible networker. And I was doing so
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: much media work that I was like, I think I'm
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: going to just message her and say like, hey, if
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I can help in any way, like this is what
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm doing. And we are talking now and we like
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: became Instagram friends and we talk again now and we've
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: never discussed what happened. Yeah, and there's no need to,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Like it was like fifteen years ago. Yeah, but I
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: mean we had six kids, Like obviously it worked out.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't a flag.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sorry about it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well I've never heard that story. I've kind of
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: always wondered how you guys met.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Rewinding back to Dawson's Creek. So when all of this happened,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I kept on saying and it like really pissed Seth
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: off because he felt like I was like belittling our situation,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: which was far worse for him than it was for me,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Like these were all of his lifelong friends. I ruined
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: college friendships, but this situation ruined his like lifelong friendships.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is just like when there was
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: a love triangle between Dawson and Joey and Pacey and
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it looked like so much more fun when they did it,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: it is not fun. And Seth was like, Okay, first
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: of all, it did not look like fun when they
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: did it. It looked terrible also, but also, can you
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: stop comparing our relationship to a stupid WB show? And
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, can you stop calling it stupid? It
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: was the show of my teenage years. And then we
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: just got sidetracked fighting about Dawson's creek.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad it all worked out too. No, it
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: was really scary when I got the ick. When we
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: had our first kiss. I was like, oh my god,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I've just destroyed this guy's entire life and I'm just
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: gonna leave him totally high and dry.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Wait, so things were already destroyed, like kind of before
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: you because he had said I'm going to pursue this.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, Oh that's terrifying. He so much pressure. It was
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: so much pressure, and then that first kiss zero nothing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I was like this, I was like, I had the ick.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I felt like actively revolted, and he was already not
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: my physical body type. He's like tall and lanky, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I really liked like big Puerto Rican guys or like
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: big black guys, like that was my that was my type.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: And well one of my college boyfriends was also this
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: like pretty boy Jewish kid, and that was okay too,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: but he was like just tall and lanky, and now,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: like I look at pictures of him and I'm not
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: attracted to him, Like he was way too skinny. Now
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: he's like he's got meat on him, he's got muscle,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: he's way hotter.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Now wait so you wait. So he was twenty five
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: when you started dating.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just about Yeah, it's so cute. Yeah, And
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I look at pictures and I'm like, no, I'm not.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: He was way too skinny, and then when I started
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: feeding him he fattened up, as did I.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was living on college cramp.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was really bad. He he had like
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a health scare where we thought he had cancer and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: it just turned out that he was eating like a bachelor.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: He was like living on like noodles and sauce and almonds,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: and it like totally messed up all of his blood work.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: And so when we first started dating, he was almost
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: diagnosed with cancer, we thought, because his blood was so
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: bad and he was so unhealthy, and I was like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: of course, like my parents both died and then I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: meet the love of my life and then he dies.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: This is right on brand.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Wait, we should take a break.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: That's a break point. Hi, this is a young Culter.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Welcome to my Ricochet podcast.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And Coulter every week on Ricochet.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: You're home to center right conversation.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Hey, that was pretty good. Are we back?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I think we're back. So, in addition to that jelly
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Stone trip, we also went to the beach in Norfolk, Virginia, Okay,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: and I so I wrote about this also for the Substack,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: and I wrote about the fact that I made my
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: first CPS call after that trip. Oh yeah, yeah. I
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: met these kids in the playground who they told me
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: so much information that I was able to cyber stock
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and figure out who their parent was that they were
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: living with. And they shared with me that they were
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: living in their car and had not eaten that day
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: and it was like four pm and they had no
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: water with them at the playground. It was like eighty
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: five eighty seven degrees. It was very hot, and I
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: called CPS. I called back the next day to be like,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: what are you doing and they were like, we can't
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: tell you, but we're not doing anything. And I was like,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: oh my god, what does it take then, Like at
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: what point are you're like, yes, that's a problem that
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: they have nowhere to live and have not eaten, Like
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: what's the threshold If that's not the threshold? And these
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: poor kids. I gave them all the food in my bag.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I gave them like all a bottle of water because
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I had brought so much stuff with me, which is
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: so against normally what I do, but I was gonna
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: say yeah, but I packed like a sherpa for this
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: because it was particularly it was it was a Jewish holiday,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: so I didn't drive to the playground. We walked there.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: It was like a really hot walk and I was like,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the kids barely ate lunch, and I don't want to
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: be stuck like half a mile from where we're staying
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: with no ability to buy anything because it was Jewish holiday,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So I didn't bring money. I'm not buying anything. I'm like,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to bring the kitchen sync with me
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: on this playground trip because I don't want to deal
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: with crankiness and tiredness and whatever in the middle of nowhere,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and so I brought tons of food and tons of water,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and I gave so much of it to these kids.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: And they mentioned in the course of our conversations, They're like, yeah,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: we just got out of foster care. And I was like, oh,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: you are not just like snack vultures at the playground.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Oh that's terrible. Yeah, you're still thinking about it. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I guess calling cps even when they're doing something. I mean,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: as the person who called you kind of want to
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: be updated on Nike.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Hopefully other people are also, like their teachers and stuff
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: have called and like people who have them at like
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the YMCA camp because I know all the things now,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: hopefully there are other like people in their orbit who
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: are calling as well, and if there's enough reports, hopefully
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: they'll actually do something. That's the hope.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: You still keeping tabs on the social media of the.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I haven't in a while, but now that you say that,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to check. Actually after we stop taping.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's good. I mean, when you have
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: a kid, thinking of people who don't treat their kids nicely,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: He's just like, how can you do that to this poor, small,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: defenseless thing, you know?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was really sad and I don't I don't,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: and I tweeted this, but I didn't say it in
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the piece that I wrote for us. I think I
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: don't remember. It's hard to remember what I've written. But
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: their parent, who I'll just say is their dad actually,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: because I think that's relevant. He on his like Instagram
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and TikTok posts a lot of like self affirmation love stuff,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and I find it. I find that to be revolting.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I hate that self affirmation love stuff because like, yeah,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: sometimes like you do need to feel shame, and yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: if you're not feeding your children or putting a house
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: a roof over their heads, like you should feel deep shame.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: You don't need self love. You need some fricking shame, Yeah,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: to put your butt into gear and get a job
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: that pays you enough to get a roof, or.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: To admit when you need help, that's yeah, to admit
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: when you need people to chip in and help.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: M h.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was really I was like, really deeply
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: disgusted when I went through his Instagram and TikTok because
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, this guy marinates in this like self
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: love culture of like radical acceptance of themselves, and it's
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: just I think it's a really toxic ideology that, I mean,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: what is.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: He doing on TikTok? How do you have the time
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: to go on TikTok and make TikTok videos when you
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: looking after your children.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: If you're homeless? Right, bless his heart? Was like when
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I first found his his Instagram and TikTok, he was like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: what if that's not him? And I was like, those
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: are all his children, so it is him. But also like,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: bless your heart for thinking that, like a homeless person
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: who's deeply irresponsible is not spending his time doing this
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: with his smartphone instead of like paying rent.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Wait, so the kids were on his TikTok as.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, yeah, and it was really sad because they
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: were like I took a picture of one of the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: kids on the playground or something or no, I didn't
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: what was I doing. Maybe I was like reaching for
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: something and he thought that I was reaching my phone.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but somehow he said like you are
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you making a TikTok? And I was like, no, I
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: don't have TikTok and he and he was like, oh,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: our dad makes TikTok videos, and then he like went
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: into like the kinds of videos that their dad made,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and that was how it was so easy to find him.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. I I have no idea what is the
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: thought process behind that guy?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Right, isn't it sad? I was like, I really, I deeply,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: deeply despised people who do not treat their children properly.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: And I just was like, I don't understand how a
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: social worker is not like, yes, this is this is
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: a problem a person who has already been on your radar,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: like they've already been in foster care. And it's funny
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: because like, as a conservative for a very long time,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I was very scared of CPS and very anti CPS
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: and like, oh they swooping, And then I had a
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: lot of friends who have fostered and the stories that
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I've heard, I'm like, the problem with CPS is they
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: are not intrusive enough. That is the issue.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And also they like so my mom works for
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: the British equivalent of CPS, and like a lot of
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: the time you know that a kid isn't being treated properly,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: or there are like fundamental issues and this kid's life,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: but you don't have enough evidence to back it up.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Like if a kid is just being staved, they need
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: to be staved to the point of neo death before
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: CPS and step in. It's not like, yeah, it takes
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: a lot to get the court order that you need
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: in the UK anyway.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean it's here too, people to remove the kids. Yeah. No.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: So one of my friends, she was a foster parent
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: of a sibling pair for two years, and she was
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: my friend, was the only parent that these children remembered.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: The kids were taken from them, taken from the mother
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: because she would leave them unsupervised for a day or
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: two at a time in hotel rooms at two and
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: four years old, and they were discovered by like the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: motel staffers. And this woman got the kids back, and
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: then she gave them up because she wanted to go party,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: so she gave them back to the foster family, and
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: so then she lost visitations, she lost custody again because
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: she handed them over so she could go spend a
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: weekend partying and getting high and they and then the
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: state was going to give them back to her after
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: like six months. And my friend who was the foster mom,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: who had like spent two years parenting these children and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: had seen this woman up close, was yelling from the rooftop.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: She's like, this woman cannot take her children back, like
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: this is a deeply unsafe situation. There's no way they
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: can go back to her. And CPS was not listening.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: They were like, our goal is reunification. The goal is
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: not what's best for the child. The goal is reunification.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: And those two things inflict in many circumstances, and they
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: did here, and they had a reunification date on the calendar.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Let's say it's the fifteenth, on the tenth, So the mother,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the biological mother, had had another baby in the meantime
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the case, and the baby died and very suspicious circumstances.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: The best case scenario was she was high and rolled
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: over on the baby and stuffocated in bed. The worst
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: case scenario is that her boyfriend killed the baby because
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the baby is from a previous relationship and was competing
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: for her attention. Only at that point did the state
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: decide that she could take full custody, like literally took
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: her killing one of her children.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Horrendous, Yeah, I mean, it's always the case there, and
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: it's always the case that, like in my experience anyway,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: the kids who end up in fosticate the biological mother
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: will go on to have five six, seven, nine, just
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: like won't stop. Like there should be a limit.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: This is where my like conservativeness really like I really
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: struggle with it because I'm like, they should be sterilized.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, me too.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And I really struggle with it because I'm like, the
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: state should be way more proactive and recognize the people
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: who are at risk and be very aggressive with helping
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: them parent in a more healthy way. And it was
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: funny because I'm writing a piece for the Washington Examiner
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: that will be out probably by the time this podcast
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: comes out. And I had a long conversation today with
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: the one of the lawyers at the Homeschool Legal Defense
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Association HSLDA, and they're fighting legislation in New Jersey that
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: would like really really regulate homeschooling. And it's in response
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: to like a horror story in New Jersey of a
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: girl who was horrifically abused while she was homeschooled. And
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: he said something really funny to me that I'm going
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to quote in the piece, he was like, if people
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: are willing to horribly abuse their child in the manner
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: that these people did, they're not going to be like, oh,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: but we're going to have to comply with this homeschool
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: regulation and like make sure that she sees the super
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: the superintendents like whatever once a year. Like they're not
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: going to comply with that, just like they didn't comply
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: with the law about not locking their child in a cage.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: And but it's an argument against that that if they
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: don't comply and don't see the superintendent, then they will
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: have a reason to step in.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: But they will exist. They don't know there exist.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: So it's not like opt in to like sign up
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: for right.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: So if they are not registered with they don't know
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: that they are not being put forth. He said. It's
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: like there have been studies done about how to reduce
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: rates of child abuse and neglect that actually target at
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: risk populations, and homeschooling is not a risk factor home
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: for neglect or abuse. So when you're wasting precious resources
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: focusing on a population that's not at risk, you're diverting
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: that from a population that is at risk and does
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: need those resources. And it actually hurts children to do that,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: and so I'm going to write that for the Washington Examiner.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: But I thought that was a really enraging conversation because
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: as a homeschooler, I hate all these stupid regulations, But
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: thinking of it through the prism of like this actually
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: does harm to children who need it by diverting resources
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: was very upsetting to me. And it's all like in
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: service of this like anti homeschooling agenda that people just like,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: they claim this mantle of caring about at risk children,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: but they're actively harming them in the process.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I find it all very hypocritical and infuriating.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: So the piece is going to be out next week,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: I think, so.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, think it's gonna be a long form piece. I'm
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: hoping to get it to Madeline before she has a baby.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, she has like two weeks.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: He sent me a photo yesterday like, oh can anybody
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: see there was that resemblance and it was just a
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: meme and I was like, oh my god, Maddie, I
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: was expecting like a new mom picture. I'm on pins
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: waiting for her baby.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: So cute and I'm so excited. Amazing. All right, So
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I think that we've covered a lot of bases, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a busy summer moving forward,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: so we'll get back on a regular recording schedule.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. And I should have a kitchen by two
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: from now, so.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe life is gonna go.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know I shouldn't say that because.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: It's my contractor it was next week, next week, next week,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: for like six weeks.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: But they work so hard and it's so hot, blessed,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: they can take as long as they need. They're nice. Okay, Well,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: everybody should subscribe to our substanc and listen for our
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: podcast when it comes in, which is in drips and drums.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: But we're gonna be better and we're going to hold
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: ourselves to a higher standard going forward.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: All right, until next week, everyone, saddle up Ricochet
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