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JFK ASSASSINATION Ep. 330 - H.L. HUNT : Digging For The Truth · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to. It's picking me
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  Speaker 1: like chicken, shocking me like, con strowing me like and ice.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, y'all, it's you boy, Drake, no hormo. You about
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  Speaker 2: to listen to the number one JFK related podcast on
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  Speaker 2: planet Earth. Now here's the Triple B and Joe B.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get it.
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  Speaker 3: Our first investigation will be announced, but it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be covering on a thorough investigation into the John F.
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  Speaker 3: Kennedy assassination. And I can tell you, based on what
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  Speaker 3: I've been seeing so far, the initial hearing that was
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  Speaker 3: actually held here in Congress was actually faulty in the
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  Speaker 3: single bowet theory. I believe that there were two shooters,
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  Speaker 3: and we should be finding more information as we are
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  Speaker 3: able to gain access into the skiff of.
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  Speaker 2: W I back my ass whole grab.
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  Speaker 4: You ain't never had that, you little grittell I'll cly
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  Speaker 4: dig off the grist, will make it asshole whistle to
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  Speaker 4: any different things all night long.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like you whistle.
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  Speaker 5: He is um, thank hill me, show be stend it's
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  Speaker 5: from A. B. Maine and Tim Beans. Then show me
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  Speaker 5: Rap Dot Dan show for Brandy Me. Then show me
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  Speaker 5: Joe bees and it's from a remain and some beans.
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  Speaker 6: Then show me rap dot show, I'm a.
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  Speaker 5: Bandy no wan see back, Shad chack.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing, sellom show, kill Lee.
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  Speaker 7: And before we go, I have a very special message
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  Speaker 7: to the TLG fan from my Valentine.
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  Speaker 8: Hi TLG fam, I want to Rob and the supporting members,
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  Speaker 8: especially Tiny Dancer, Happy Valentine's Day. Hopefully Valentine's Day doesn't
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  Speaker 8: fall on a Friday for another seven years though, And
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  Speaker 8: here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Boom, good, Joba, lovely, thank you, Erica, what's up everybody?
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to the special Valentine's Day edition. Joe, you're
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  Speaker 2: my Valentine for the evening. Sorry Erica, we can share though,
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  Speaker 2: It's all good. She's done with that her power thriple.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. It's episode of three thirty. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be talking about hl Hunt, drilling for the
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  Speaker 2: truth and see if there's anything to all these crazy allegations.
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  Speaker 2: Since we had such a great time with our guests
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  Speaker 2: last last week James Day talking about the far right,
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  Speaker 2: we decided, you know, never really done a show on
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  Speaker 2: hl Hunt and gone too deep on him. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to do that today. And if you missed it. Oh boy,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. But we had
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  Speaker 2: a hell of a Wednesday show. Uh, we always do
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  Speaker 2: set up set up this show a good bit and
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  Speaker 2: we did a good bit of a preview on h L. Hunt. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And one thing, Joe, I wanted to correct you on
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  Speaker 2: real quick because, uh, thankfully I didn't put it on
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  Speaker 2: the cover art for this evening show. Uh, hunt Ketchup
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  Speaker 2: is not made by was not made by h L.
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  Speaker 2: Hunt Food. Oh yeah, yeah, huh.
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  Speaker 7: I know he was big in the food he was.
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  Speaker 2: He had different brands and stuff that he did he made,
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  Speaker 2: but unfortunately Hunt Ketchup was not one of them.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't that like was it from Pittsburgh or somewhere
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  Speaker 7: or that's Hines.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Hunt comes from the Hunt brothers who came
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  Speaker 2: out I believe it was in the late eighteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 2: like eighteen eighty eight or something. They came out with
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  Speaker 2: the food line and Hunts Ketchup was one of their
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  Speaker 2: main deals, among amongst some other things.
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  Speaker 7: But okay, yeah, fair enough, And I can correct you
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  Speaker 7: because HL Hunts. Yes, his replica replica house in Dallas
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  Speaker 7: was based off of George Washington's not Thomas Jefferson's.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I believe I was corrected by Alpha sixty six
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday evening for the.
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  Speaker 7: Same time I had to get even had the.
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  Speaker 2: Fravasty of justice there. But before we get started, let's
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  Speaker 2: welcome into people, because you know we're missing it and
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  Speaker 2: they're sharing their Valentine's daytime with us as well, So
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  Speaker 2: it's only fitting that we say hi to everybody who
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  Speaker 2: took some time here. Scott just ordered some Silk City.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, Novo, sir, You're gonna enjoy it. Enjoy it,
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  Speaker 2: enjoy it, Jeff.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks your first order. Scott. I feel like you've ordered
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  Speaker 7: it before, but I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you know sometimes you need to re up Joe.
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  Speaker 7: Oh well, I know.
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  Speaker 2: You know he's starting to get low. It's time time
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  Speaker 2: to put another order in. Yeah, and if you'd like
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  Speaker 2: to be like Scott and order some Silk City link
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  Speaker 2: below In the description, the code is Gunman all caps
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  Speaker 2: g U N M an booth.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah and Rob. I saw Jeff's video I think he
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  Speaker 7: released yesterday or the day before. He made a new
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  Speaker 7: batch of Ghost Pepper apple cider hot sauce and it
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  Speaker 7: looks fire and he gave like he was doing like
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  Speaker 7: a video on YouTube, go over and search that to subscribe,
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  Speaker 7: and he was just doing the whole process. It was awesome. Man,
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  Speaker 7: I love what he's doing with the YouTube thing, because.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely maha got it.
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  Speaker 7: Can help you again.
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  Speaker 2: No additives, all nets you a raw, no preservatives either. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: Trey's in the house. What is up? Trey? Paula is in? Hello, Paula, Paula.
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  Speaker 2: Salie is back. We missed you Wednesday night, Sally, we did. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Our buddy Lee Ralph is in the house. What's up? Lee?
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  Speaker 2: Bungled is in? What's up? Bungled? Alpha sixty six? Big Mike?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and Uh, prayers out. Mike lost his mom last night.
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  Speaker 7: So if you believe in prayer, U pray for him.
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  Speaker 2: Send him a few. Yeah. Tiny dancers in there, Hi Tiny,
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  Speaker 2: How are you happy Valentine's Day? Tiny?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah? Erica Tiny, wish you a happy Palatine's Day. Thumbs
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  Speaker 7: up from Erica.
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  Speaker 2: South to West is in the house. David s is
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  Speaker 2: in the house. What's up? David?
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  Speaker 7: Hey, David, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: Let's see Timothy Ryan is in the house. What's up,
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  Speaker 2: tim What's up? What's up? South? Wait a minute I
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  Speaker 2: did say Southwest already Scott Edwards is in the house
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  Speaker 2: with Scott and named Scott. That's by Mike Myer's impression.
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  Speaker 2: Dr Egle. Let's see awesome. I believe that's everybody. We
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  Speaker 2: got a full house to kick this thing off. Joe.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And I want to thank the few dozen people
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  Speaker 7: on Reddit that came over last week. I made a
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  Speaker 7: post last week talking about our guest. We got a
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  Speaker 7: bunch of new subscribers, a few dozen and made a
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  Speaker 7: post probably half an hour ago, so we have a
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  Speaker 7: lot of love over there. Everyone was like, I love
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  Speaker 7: your show. I'm a big fan. I always listen, and
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  Speaker 7: we've never been on bread. No.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: Well, the backstory of this, folks is, I got on
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  Speaker 2: some weird email chain with Janet Banister, right, and there
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  Speaker 2: was another dude on this thing and his name on
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  Speaker 2: there was single bullet query. So I'm thinking, does this
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  Speaker 2: guy have a podcast, you know, like or something I
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  Speaker 2: don't know? Doesn't have his real name, So I googled
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  Speaker 2: it and nothing, nothing comes up, nothing, nothing at all.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, who is this because he seemed kind
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  Speaker 2: of lone, nutterish, right, So I'm like, who in the
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  Speaker 2: hell is this, so I don't know. Months go by,
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  Speaker 2: months go by, and then he reaches out to me
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  Speaker 2: and says, you know, you gotta finally got around to
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  Speaker 2: watching us when we had Jann and on. It was
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  Speaker 2: a great show. Blah blah blah. And he said that
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  Speaker 2: he was the I guess what do you call it
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  Speaker 2: when you make a moderator a thing on Reddit? Like
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  Speaker 2: a what is that?
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  Speaker 7: You're not talking about a moderator, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Us, the r dash whatever the hell?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, it's it's a community. It's a a subreddit. I
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  Speaker 9: think it's called like a like a group. I think
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  Speaker 9: it's called the jfk Assassination.
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  Speaker 2: It has has one s in the second ass for
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  Speaker 2: some reason. I don't know if that's one purpose or
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  Speaker 2: he just can't spell. I don't know, over ass fascination,
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  Speaker 2: the second part one else.
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  Speaker 7: Tens of thousands of members.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like twenty thousand some people over there. So
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  Speaker 2: I tried to post something. You know, when he first
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  Speaker 2: told me about it, he was like, yeah, head over there,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm the moderator. I'll give you like
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  Speaker 2: special like special status or whatever it's called. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know nothing about reddit, but apparently, because I've
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  Speaker 2: never posted on Reddit before, I've got no juice or
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  Speaker 2: whatever it's called over there.
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  Speaker 6: Karma karma.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my post is still a waiting approval from
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  Speaker 2: early December, and so Joe goes over there and he
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  Speaker 2: posts upthing and goes right up. I'm like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: I said, how does that happen? I got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of karma.
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  Speaker 7: I got one k plus karma.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, I was like, what the hell is that? Apparently
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  Speaker 2: you build up karma by posting on Reddit.
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  Speaker 7: If you get a like an up vote on your post,
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  Speaker 7: you get a karma. So if I make a post
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  Speaker 7: and it gets one hundred up votes and I think
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  Speaker 7: our last one got like seventy, that's how you got
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  Speaker 7: the karma. So I would have gotten one hundred karma
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  Speaker 7: and I got a thousand. Over the years, haven't been
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  Speaker 7: too active on it, but apparently it's a very happening place.
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  Speaker 7: Rob a lot of JFK and discussion there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a whole big community we knew nothing about.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to check it out and you
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  Speaker 2: use Reddit, if you don't use Reddit, skip it because
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to figure out. But yeah, just go to
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  Speaker 2: Reddit and look up the subreddit jfk assassination with the
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  Speaker 2: second ass spelled with one as and if it's got
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  Speaker 2: about twenty thousand people members, you're in the right spot.
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  Speaker 2: And then I guess you can join in different discussions
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  Speaker 2: as you want to. Yeah, just like the.
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  Speaker 7: Education for Market any group chat type of thing.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, Perpetual Concepts has entered the chat.
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  Speaker 7: Oh what's up Bud?
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  Speaker 2: Happy Valentine's Day, sir?
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  Speaker 7: And Joe salute.
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  Speaker 2: Salute, yes, salute.
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  Speaker 7: Timothy loves Reddit. Are you familiar with that group, Timothy?
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  Speaker 7: But it seems to be at least one of the
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  Speaker 7: largest ones.
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  Speaker 2: So ye, go join over there and give give Joe
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  Speaker 2: some more karma on his posts.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, come on, Hey, our karma got us some new
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  Speaker 7: subs sold.
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  Speaker 2: But you know my post from three months ago, we'd
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  Speaker 2: already have two thousand if they would just open the
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  Speaker 2: gate and let me in.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I good think you mentioned good thing. You
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  Speaker 7: mentioned that, Rob. We are at nineteen hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 7: I think five followers on YouTube. We were trying to
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  Speaker 7: get to two thousand soon. So if you are seeing
• 12:57
  Speaker 7: this and you are not subscribed, what are you doing?
• 13:01
  Speaker 7: Please click the subscribe button?
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what your boys. Wait, I finally found a way,
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  Speaker 2: an easy way for folks to join the channel, become
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: a channel member. Okay, there is a link in the
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: description of this video to do just that. So if
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: you'd like to support the show and you're not already
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: a member, or you haven't figured out how to do
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: it yet, all you gotta do is click a link now.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to start putting it in the description
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: of all of our Friday videos to make it easy
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  Speaker 2: for people, because I know a lot of people listen
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: on their phone, and for some reason it's damn near
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: impossible to figure out how to do it on the phone.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: If it is even possible, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: A Leman. Cruz says his Reddit karma is one hundred
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  Speaker 7: and ninety thousand plus. Well, sir, give us some of
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  Speaker 7: your carma.
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  Speaker 2: Shit, he's a Reddit god.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's pretty much what it is. Timothy said he
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  Speaker 7: is going to look it up and what else there
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  Speaker 7: or on the reddit thing? Uh oh yeah, Bobby don't
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  Speaker 7: got no karma. He's working on it, Southwest, He's.
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  Speaker 5: Working on it.
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  Speaker 2: I've got zero karma.
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  Speaker 7: I think you have some karma.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, not at Reddit.
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  Speaker 7: Not at Reddit.
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  Speaker 2: In the world, in the world that's right now, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and in the ether. Yes, yes, I'm doing so much karma.
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  Speaker 2: You have no idea. Most of it not good, but
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: you know, we all end up paying for our scens eventually.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I just have to hope the good outweighs
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  Speaker 2: the bad at the end of the old uh.
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  Speaker 7: You know, yeah, when you go to the pearly gates. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: and yeah, from your lips to God's ears, as they say,
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  Speaker 7: per personal, perpetual concepts. Two k then ten, then one hundred,
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  Speaker 7: and it will be done. And we do have some
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: exciting things on the horizon in the next couple of weeks.
• 15:13
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to spoil it now, but we'll be
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  Speaker 7: on another big JFK podcast and that host will be
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  Speaker 7: hopefully on with us in March.
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  Speaker 2: Not as big as this one, but another JFK podcast.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, And Paula Scott Edwards and Trey might know
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  Speaker 7: who he is because we met him, and we met
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  Speaker 7: him in Dallas and he came and gave us a
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  Speaker 7: bottle of Jack Daniels before he left for his flight.
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  Speaker 7: So if that's not a qualification of a cool dude,
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: M All right, You ready to talk to Michell Hunt?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Hunt. So this dude h lived a crazy life and
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to rehash everything that we talked about
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday night, but the majority of the people weren't
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  Speaker 2: here for it, so you may hear some repetition. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not trying to do that, but when you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: this guy, Haroldton Lafayette Hunt Junior self made a billionaire. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He did it the old fashioned way, from nothing to
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  Speaker 2: something and lived a very frugal lifestyle. Now, don't get
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  Speaker 2: it twisted. He did like to finder things in life
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: when it comes to certain things like a house, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but cars he really didn't give a shit about. He
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: rolled around and you know, just a regular car anybody
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  Speaker 2: any Joe could afford. You know. He cut his own hair.
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  Speaker 2: He refused to pay for haircuts. He took his lunch
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  Speaker 2: in a brown paper sack, much like Lee Oswald. Every
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  Speaker 2: day to work he had his little ballooney sandwich and
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: with a piece of cheese on it and an apple.
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  Speaker 7: Every day, right, a juice box and a juice box
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  Speaker 7: just for me.
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  Speaker 2: And my hl Hunt tomato sauce tomato catsup all right,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, he went from nothing to something. But of
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  Speaker 2: course his dude had very far right wing leaning principles
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  Speaker 2: and ideals. That's right, tiny a a billionaire, A billionaire, hi, Colleen.
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  Speaker 7: Yep, hundreds of millions at that time, adjustice for inflation.
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  Speaker 7: And his of course numerous oil wells. They say, the
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: biggest oil well in Texas I think was East Oil
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  Speaker 7: or something. Oh yeah, he struck literal gold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But and he did it with no straight out
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  Speaker 2: capital like he would He was this smart guy. He
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  Speaker 2: was a homeschooled okay. But while he wasn't very savvy
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  Speaker 2: in like, you know, the ways of the world type
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: of thing, he was smart in dealing with people. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: what he would do is make deals with people that
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: own land and guarantee them a return for a certain percentage, right,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and then he would broker those deals to somebody else
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  Speaker 2: and be the middleman and not have to do anything.
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  Speaker 2: So he amassed a good fortune kind of doing that.
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  Speaker 2: He owned some cotton picking fields.
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  Speaker 7: Rob Can I stop you did you hear in your
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  Speaker 7: research this week the rumor or the myth of how
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  Speaker 7: he won that land that later became the East Oil
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  Speaker 7: or you know, his bread and butter. He won it
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  Speaker 7: allegedly at a poker game.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that is the that is the rumor.
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  Speaker 7: And of course that can't be confirmed, but that has
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  Speaker 7: been the myth.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah. Then in the thirties he was able to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: purchase the rights to East Texas oil lands through a
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars land purchase from spectator.
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  Speaker 10: Old Dad Joiner, who we talked about on Wednesday evening
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  Speaker 10: down and he.
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  Speaker 2: Was a wild catter, that is what they called him
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  Speaker 2: back in. That's how basical smell from sixteen point nine
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  Speaker 2: miles away in the middle of the desert. From that
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  Speaker 2: acquisition and others, including diverse interests in publishing cosmetics. That's right, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: you heard that right. He made lipstick and rouge and foundation.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: He was big into pea cans, right, He had some
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: peacan trees in his front yard, and he was big
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: into pea can farming and health food. He also had
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a faxed forum foundation that would later support his highly
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: conservative newspaper columns and his radio programs, some of which
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: he authored and produced himself and for which he became
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: known as I pointed out Wednesday Night for becoming basically
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the first ever podcaster right, like you got money, bro,
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  Speaker 2: So he would pay to get his show Lifeline on
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  Speaker 2: to radio stations, and I believe at one point it
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: was up to five or six hundred radio stations around
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  Speaker 2: the world. Now, I don't know if you bought all
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that time, but he certainly could have if he wanted to. Yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: but the right wing ideology, the anti communist rhetoric was
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: popular at the time, so I'm sure some of these stations,
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  Speaker 2: you know, did carry it and they paid him for it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, when he got to start, you know, he
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was buying time to do a daily you know, thirty
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  Speaker 2: minute hour long show. First podcaster.
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  Speaker 11: HL Hunt visionary, Yes, a revolutionary.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: So let's see.
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: And when when you'd like, sir, I have about a
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: three or four minute clip, uh, detailing a video, uh
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: detailing H. L. Hunt in his estate and his bagged
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: lunch and all that good stuff. When it's ready, when
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: you tell.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Me, sir, right that I didn't tell you yet there no,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I said, when you're ready, Okay, gotcha. After his cotton
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: plantations had flooded in Louisiana down near shreve Portray, Uh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: he turned his last one hundred dollars that he had
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to end his name into more than one hundred thousand
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: after he gambled in New Orleans. He had Clay Shawl
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: blow on his dice before he tossed him.
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, minus some karma there.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, added to the list right, see in hell, everybody, it's.
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: Uh So, I want to talk a little bit about
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: his proclivity, Joe, his proclivity and you know what I
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: mean by proclivity.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: I might, but why don't you let the audioce.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Know I mean his cocksmithing ability. Now, when you're a billionaire,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not relatively hard to bed a nice
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Southern lady a time or two, or multiple times or
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: fifteen times.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: Oh I know.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Turns out, Joe hl Hunt at least the children that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: he admitted to or could be proven were his fifteen children,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: although he likely had more folks. But these are the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: ones that are legit, and some of the names of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: his kids. I'm gonna read through him here. You're gonna
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: love this. You were gonna love this, all right. So first, first,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: we have Margaret Hunt Hill, who actually died in two
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven. She was co owner of Hunt Petroleum.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Hasse Hunt the third that's hl Hunt, the third, diagnosed
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: with schizophrenia in the early forties, owner of Hunt Petroleum.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He lived in the Cuckoo Ben until two thousand and five.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: Oh wow, he hung on.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Huh Yeah. Caroline Rose Hunt, founder and honorary chairman of
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Rosewood Hotels and Resorts, which operates the mansion on Turtle
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Creek right near General Walker's house, Leda. Bunker Hunt died
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: as an infant, not even a month old. That sucks.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Nelson Hunt. Nelson Bunker Hunt Uh tried to corner the
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: silver market in nineteen seventy nine, along with his brother,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: convicted of conspiring to manipulate the silver market.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Joe, Yeah, you know, I read about that rock today
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: and they had bought so much silver it had on
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: to over fifty dollars an ounce, and just for comparison,
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: and I think that's in the fifties or sixties. Today
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: it's like thirty two dollars an ounce, so and if
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: you multiply that by inflation. They they bought a ton
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: of the sulfur on the market to try to corner it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Literally almost bought it all. And Momar Kadafi, you can
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: thank mo Mar Kadaffi for busting up that okay? Really really? Yeah?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I guess these Nelson Bunker Hunting and his brother were
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: developing Libyan oil fields and it was Mamar Kadaffi who
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: busted him out of him for trying to corner the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: market and they lost all their interests in Libyan oil.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Could not be kicked him out of his country.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: Huh.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Then there's the famous superspy Joe Howard Lee Hunt died
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five. Harold Dina Joe Harold Dina, Harold
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Dina French Hunt.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: And of course Hall's name was Harold Yeah. First, so yes,
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: I named his daughter after Could.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: You imagine get with a chick name Haroldina?
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: Uh? Not really. I mean, if she was dope enough,
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: i'd be down. Erica Closure hands on ears.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: That see. What's what's her father's name? Who's father Erica's.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: I think it's Mitchell.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So if her name was Mitchellina, that's not too bad,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I don't guess.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: No, it's not as bad as Haroldina.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Haroldina's pretty bad.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: That's pretty bad.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: William Herbert Hunt, Helen Lee Hunt, Lamar Hunt. Of course,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: that's the owner of the Kansas City Chiefs, a co
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: founder of the American Football League and the North American
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Soccer League, owner of the Columbus Crew FC. Dallas, backer
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of the World Championship tennis, coined the name a super Bowl.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, he asked his kids what they should call it,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and his kids name said the super Bowl. So that's
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: why the super Bowl is named the super Bowl. Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: And there's the Lamar Hunt Trophy, which I believe is
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: given to the AFC Championship winner every year.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: So ironically, the Chiefs like a bottle of ketch up.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: The Chiefs of the past three years, owned by the Hunts,
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: won the Lamar Hunt Trophy.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Of course. Of course, then we have Hugh S. Hunt,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Ray Lee Hunt, June Hunt, Helen Hunt, not the actress,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Swanee Hunt, former US Ambassador of Austria, now head of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the Women in Public Policy Program at the John F.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and.
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: H O.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Hunt died in nineteen seventy four, right but in nineteen
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: seventy five, after his death, it was discovered that he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: had had hidden a bigamous relationship with a second wife
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: while living in New York. After his marriage to Ruce Ray,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Hunt became a Baptist and was a member of the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: First Baptist Church of Dallas. He was a major financial
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: contributor towards the establish of the conservative evangelical Chriswell College
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in Dallas. He died at Baylor Hospital in Dallas after
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: several months of being ill madic at the age of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: eighty five. Not buried, Wait a minute, yeah, buried in
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Sparkman Hillcrest Memorial Park. Has a somewhat famous grandchild who
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: plays in a black metal death band called Lethargy, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: his or her name I can't figure it out is
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Hala Hunt Hendrix. Hl Hunt also served as the inspiration
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: behind the character j R. Ewing from the famous Dallas
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: TV show that we talked about in depth on the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Wednesday Secret Show. So I watched our Secret Show and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you remember, go back and watch it because we go
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Dallas deep talk a little.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: JR.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Ewing school Joe a little bit, and we know it
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: was before his time.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: Which reference went completely above my head.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know the who shot JR?
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: Thing?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And and uh yeah it was. It was great to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: check that out. Let's see, let's talk about his JFK
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: conspiracy allegations just for a second. Well, one part of
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: it anyway right now. So Madeline Duncan Brown, who I
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: believe is a liar on par with Beverly Oliver and
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Judy Baker, who wasn't advertising executive, claim to have had
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: both an extended love affair and a son with President
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Lyndon Baines. Johnson said she was president, had a party
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: in Dallas at the home of Clinton Murchison Senior, another
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: oil tycoon, the evening prior to the assassination of John F. Kennedy,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: what she says, was attended by Johnson as well as
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: other famous, wealthy and powerful individuals, including hl Hunt, Clint Murchison,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Jed Guyhova, and Richard Nixon Tricky Dick. According to Brown,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Johnson had a meeting with several of the man after.
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: Which he told her, after tomorrow, those goddamn Kennedy's will
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: never embarrass me again. That's no threat, that's a promise,
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: and then he bent her over the window sill and
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: took her to Poundtown. Baby Brown's story received national attention
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: and became part of at least a dozen of JFK
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: assassination conspiracy theories.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But Kennedy assassination investigator Dave Perry refuted this theory with
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: evidence showing that neither President Johnson nor Hoover were in
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Dab the night before the assassination. Yeah, and Murchison had
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: not lived in his Dallas home for a number of years.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: He was actually witnesses actually placed Clinton Murchison at his
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: East Texas ranch the night before the assassinates. So a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: lot of hooey horseshit there, right, Yeah, So Joe.
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: And the Nixon thing, which is a stretch.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we know Nixon was in town. Yeah,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: but he had left that company thing or whatever it was.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: I believe he had left that night, like the Thursday
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: night for memory.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But Nixon actually liked Kennedy. Okay, he wouldn't have
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: attended a meeting to you know, and been part of
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: some secret all to have him killed for Christ's sake.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: No, they have mutual respect for each other, definitely did.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: They were both World War Two veterans. Yeah. I mean
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: the Nixon claims are absurd, but condemned absurd.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: One other thing that we'll get to your video. So
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I mentioned before his bigamy, right, which is basically cheating
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: on your wife type of thing. But only this is
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a little worse than that, Okay, because he was actually
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: he actually tried to marry he married some other woman
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: where he was still married to somebody else, right, So
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: what they did about that? In nineteen twenty five in Florida,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Okay hl Hunt married Franya Tie of Tampa, Florida in
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: November twenty five, using the name Franklin Hunt. Frandia claimed
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: to have discover what over the bigomous nature of her
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: marriage in nineteen thirty four. Nine years later, and in
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a legal settlement in nineteen forty one, Hunt created trust
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: funds for each of their four children, and she signed
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a document stipulating that no legal marriage between them had
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: ever existed. At about the same time, she briefly married
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: then divorced Hunt's employee, John Lee, taking the last name
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Lee for herself and her four children. Her four children
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: by Hunt were Howard, Helen Hugh, and Haroldina A. Trey.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Hunt supported and had children by another woman.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: Where was she looking?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: At Ruth ray Port, Louisiana, to the northwest of Alexandria,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: whom he had met while she was a secretary in
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: his Shreveport office. They married in nineteen fifty seven, after
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the death of Hunt's wife, Lyda. His by her were
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: ray Lee June Helen and Swanee June.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's our that's Oronic.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: His youngest son, ray Lee, inherited the business and was
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a major supporter of President George W.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Bush.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: All right, the video, Joe.
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: Sure, let's do it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Take to day.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think this was released in the late sixties,
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: possibly nineteen seventy. It doesn't give a date on the video.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: But fascinating interview. We're gonna play a couple of minutes this, Yeah.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, Trey, Guess where the Franya ty
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Lee trial was held? Let me guess, Trey, Shreveport, Louisia.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Am I right? Am? I right?
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: Okay, a lot of things going on in Shreveport, as
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: we have discussed. Yes, Mount Vernon.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Dallas, Yes, Homer Thomas Jefferson.
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: In that same Dallas before a house modeled on George
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: Washington's own Mount Vernon. But of course a week bit bigger,
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: another rich Texan and his wife got about their early
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: morning which you were up raising the flag. But Harold,
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: from that day at Hunt is the richest Texan of
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: them all until.
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: Recently that morning I'm sorry I said this is after
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: he raised his flag in his bedroom that morning, they
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: got out the front door and raised that flag on
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: the flag pole.
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think that's a Texas flag.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I see stars and stripes, Joe, I can't tell.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: But interesting that he does it himself.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Right, yes, all by himself. He pulls that rope.
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: Or maybe this was for the video shoot.
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: He now seems to have stumble a little in those
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: particular steaks. A multi multimillionaires estimate to put his work
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: between three hundred and five hundred million pounds and his
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: weekly incomb at about half a million pounds. That is
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: over seventy fives.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: A bit like he's not used to doing it. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and this makes his wife do it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and this is a BBC clippy, which is why
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: they put it in pounds.
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: Punds made his money in oil, and it still makes
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: it mostly in oil, though he's branched out now into
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: everything from raising cattle to selling real estate, from peddling
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: patent medicines to promoting professional football, from canning foods to
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: building holiday resorts.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Yet he permits himself a few pleasures.
• 38:59
  Speaker 13: He takes lunch to work with him every morning at
• 39:01
  Speaker 13: a brown paper bag.
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: M just throws it on the show.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Real layman with just getting the driver's seating over on
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the bass.
• 39:16
  Speaker 13: He doesn't even indulge in a CD.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Read on the cheek. That's it, Maybe all right? Did work?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I drive a medium size, medium priced cars, and I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: buy bread and made suits. After they get pretty old. Well,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I get quite fond of were moved, thank for most
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: people would. And I don't smoke anymore heaven for years.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And I drink practically no alcoholic beverages whatsoever.
• 39:56
  Speaker 13: And seldom takes a holiday, and rarely, in fact leaves
• 39:59
  Speaker 13: his home city.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I don't care much for travel. I have travels, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: it was always for.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: A purpose that I was rowing somewhere.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Sad, I'm sorry. The only time he traveled was just
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: to spread his seed for and wide.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and to South America, as he will explain in
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: a second.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I think America back in nineteen fifty six, and I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: got quite a good insight into each one of the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: governments down there. And I have a bad reputation, whether
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: rightful or not, being apruval being approval.
• 40:50
  Speaker 13: As well as being perhaps the most appruval, the most
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: stingy plutocrat of Texas.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: H L.
• 40:54
  Speaker 13: Hut is probably the most controversial. Well, he's a fervent
• 40:57
  Speaker 13: advocate of right wing some would say react dictionary courses.
• 41:01
  Speaker 13: He is against the UN, against the War on poverty,
• 41:04
  Speaker 13: against medicare, against central government date of any sort. He
• 41:07
  Speaker 13: would rather Washington didn't rule the United States at all,
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: and in his ideal that votes would be distributed according
• 41:13
  Speaker 13: to the amount of taxis who paid.
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: I haven't heard that before. Uh, the amount of dollars
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: I paid in taxes, I should get an equal amount
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: of votes for That's a new one to me.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a master of many quotes.
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: Hey, if I was him, I'd probably have that same view. Yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: more than most Texans.
• 41:36
  Speaker 13: Even he is inclined to see communists under every coach
• 41:39
  Speaker 13: and behind every curtain.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: Look at your secretary, kind of divided.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Into communists is the here he comes.
• 41:44
  Speaker 13: His private word for anti communists. You are either for
• 41:48
  Speaker 13: him or again he brooks no halfway position.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Third morning, okay, sir hu in the morning.
• 42:03
  Speaker 13: Seemingly gentleman to meet. H Hunt is taught by many
• 42:07
  Speaker 13: to be the most dangerous plutocrat of Texas.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: All those secretaries. The first thing I want to do
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: when I get to work and sit down here at
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: my desk and play it. Joe, I was to commentary.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: It's commentary.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: People.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to pick up this phone here and
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask somebody who's on the other.
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: End any important calls.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Do you have any important calls for me?
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: No?
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Okay, that later, I'll like kept them later.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I'm busy. Good day.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Bland Tall in favor people having the pride.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Of accomplishment and self sufficiency, and so I don't believe,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: for instance, in this war on poverty. I think that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: is a tony thing.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: There are people that people are put on the dole and.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Also they will hardly considered taking Many of them considered
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: taking the job because that would interfere.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: With their early payments.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: There is no other country in the United States that
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: has any chance to stop communism except the United States.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: That's there in the country in the world that can
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: and turn it back.
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: And endeavoring to turn that tide is how hl Hands
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: spends most of his day and most of his wealth.
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: He turns out let us.
• 43:46
  Speaker 13: By the thousand to the editors of every conceivable cornball
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: country hit newspaper in America, Indicator Weekly column and writes
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: and publish his paperbacks on his views. He start copy
• 43:57
  Speaker 13: without questioning every telegram or let every articles story that
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: is written about him, and few visitors can escape his
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: office without a bundle of his but without a load
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: of his little his main propaganda weapon, which is carried
• 44:13
  Speaker 13: daily by over four hundred stations the length and breadth
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: of America. Its message is one of imminent disaster facing
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: the United States from the enime within, particularly from the
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: eneme within the federal heartland f Washington. It is a
• 44:27
  Speaker 13: familiar message, of course among American right wingers, and a
• 44:30
  Speaker 13: favorite with many of his fellow Texan plutographs. But during
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: the last two years H. O. Hunter has added another
• 44:36
  Speaker 13: emotive missile to his armory. His league of so called
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: youth freedom speakers, engaging young teenagers drive to deliver three
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: minute bursts of his propaganda to rotary clubs and Bible classes.
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: Many people in the United States really don't believe that
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: communism is a serious threat. But these people are in
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: for a big shock because the Communists had every intention
• 45:02
  Speaker 15: of doing exactly what they said they'll do, and they
• 45:05
  Speaker 15: do not hesitate to use force and violence anytime.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: They think that all right, I'm just waiting for her
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: to start dancing and taking her clothes off.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: Okay, she almost does, but I feel like we had enough.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: But I think that that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Gave the part laugh in everybody.
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: It gave an interesting insight into his life, I thought.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, I hadn't never seen that before stumble on
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: it today. So very interesting, right, lovely, lovely. Yeah. I'm
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: just catching up on some of the comments, and there
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: are some good ones.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to read this one other actually FBI document
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I got sure from May fifteenth, nineteen and sixty four,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: the FBI interviewed Nelson Bunker Hunt of Lakeside Drive, with
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: offices on the seventh floor of the Mercantile Securities Building,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: an independent oil operator. At the outset of interview requested
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that his secretary call his attorney as soon as we
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: showed up to be interviewed. He was therefore interviewed in
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the presence of his attorney, a mister Ivan Irwin. So
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the FBI shows up to interview him and he says, look,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking to you guys without my lawyer here.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: So Hunt readily admitted having contributed cash to Joe Grinnan
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: for the purposes of placing an advertisement in the Dallas
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Morning News. This advertisement appeared on November twenty second, nineteen
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: sixty three, and was signed by the American Fact Finding Committee.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Hunt termed it an article which asked some embarrassing questions
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: of President Kennedy. He said he could not recall the
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: amount he contributed, but believed it was somewhere between two
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and three hundred bucks. He gave the contribution to Joe
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Grinnan in cash, merely reaching in his pocket and pulling
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: forth that along with some pocket lint. He exhibited this
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: by reaching in his pocket and exposing a roll of
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: bills that he had tucked down by his penis While
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: being interviewed. He said John Grinnan contacted him several days
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: before the Dallas Morning News ran the advertisement and told
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: him by telephone that the Dallas Morning News would publish
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: this advertisement. He later came by the Hunt office and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: received the money. Mister Hunt related. Hunt was unable to
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: state whether he had read the article prior to the publication,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: but stated that Grinnin might have read some of it
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: on the phone or might have told him about it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: He stated the article was a harsh criticism of President
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Kennedy's policies, but in a dignified way. He stated the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: money contributed by him was his own money, and he
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: did not solicit or obtain contributions from any other person
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: for his personal contributions to this fund. Hunt stated that
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: he did not know Lee, Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: and stated that he had never had any contact with
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: either one of them. He did not know the names
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: of others who had contributed toward the cost of the advertisement,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and did not know Bernard Weisman, whose name appeared on
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the actual advertisement. He understood that Weiseman came from New
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: York after reading the papers, and it was a Jew,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: a dirty Jew, he said. So there's that. Now there
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: are more allegations, many more allegations, and we'll get into
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: them that come from certain people that were I guess
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: you could say, around him time, Joe in particular, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I showed this to Joe after we got off the
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: show Wednesday. I remember somebody reached out to me many
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: years ago, seven years ago to be exact, and told
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: me that they had written a book about hl Hunt
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and the Kennedy assassination, and did I want a copy
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: to look to look at? Sure, you know seven years ago,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: you know whatever. I mean, it's legit. Like I even
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: showed him the thing. It's like legit, m hm, you know.
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: And the book he did send it to me. It's
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: right here. HL Hunt Motive and Opportunity, right, and it
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: was written by Mitchell Whittington as told, it was told
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: to Mitchell Whittington by John Carrington, who was one of H. L.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Hunt's lawyers. Okay, going back quite a ways, quite a
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: ways back. And uh also, so there's lots of allegations
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: in this book and we'll get into him, but we're
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: going to talk about another individual who was part of
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the Hunt cabal assassination cabal, and Joe has got more
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: information on him, and that would be mister Paul Rothermel,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: who I believe was part of Hunt's security team or
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: was he another lawyer as well?
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: You know he was actually a lawyer and had a.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Security there you go. Yeah, God, damn.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: It, I know he did have Yeah, yeah, yeah, here
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: you'll be able to post.
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: Him, right, Roger, I am, yes, he always does.
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: And I gotta give a shout out to Roger because
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: before Rob even messaged me earlier in the week and
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: said we should do a follow up thing on some
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: of the right wing people in Dallas. Roger and I
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: were messaging and he said you should do an article
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: or an article an episode on the Hunts And when
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: you sent me that message, I thought like he must
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: have messaged you too, right, that's yeah, logical, okay, but uh, I.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Combined with the fact that we just had the dude
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: and we're talking about the far right, Yeah, it makes
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: sense to do a show about Hunt because we never
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: had that.
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's hard three hundred and thirty episodes and
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: to find a person that you have not done a
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: podcast on. I'm talking you've talked about him, of course,
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: but not an episode. So we thought it would be interesting.
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: And thank you Roger for your topic recommendation.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Joe, did you picture these two vacations and can kun
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: on a sandy beach rubbed lotion on each other? They're
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: pasty white skin.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: Gruber said that Hunt plus Walker vacationed in Mexico shortly
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: after the assassination. Consider sure, Well, I know of two
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: people who allegedly might have vacationed in Mexico after the assassination,
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: and that might have been Lauren Hall and Lawrence Howard,
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: which I'm sure you've heard that before, right, yes, so
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: so yeah, I wanted to dig into a little bit
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: of Paul rothermil Hl's kind of head of security here, and.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I was think, I'm still sick and coughing all over
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: the place.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: So I saw it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I meeting myself. It's because I'm dying. I will be
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: back temporarily.
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: It is okay, sir, It is okay.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Wednesday show. You boys been sick all week, gradually getting
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: better though, but not very fast. But yeah, well.
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: You're a trooper. The show definitely must go on. So yes,
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: there are a ton of allegations regarding Rothermel and that
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: goes from acquiring the Zapruder film in the hours after
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: the assassination being in Joe the Apruder Film. Did I
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: misspeak that.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: It sounded like you did uh za Gruger film.
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: Gruder, Yes, no, Zupruter.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: To uh having a TV show McGruder macgrew.
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: Uh to having a pre assassination meeting with Jack Ruby
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: and uh Eugene hell Braiding also known as Jim Braiden,
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: to Marina visiting the Hunt's office in the weeks after
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: the assassination.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I got that it's in the book.
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: Oh cool, I don't have any on that synchronicity.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, you want to touch on a real quick because it's.
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: Still customer.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. The section in this is mister Hunt and
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: missus Oswald. This account begins in nineteen sixty three on
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: a Saturday morning, a short time after the Kennedy assassination.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Now I don't think this is the morning after the assassination,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: but maybe the next week. I believe she she probably
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: would have been living with Martin by then, right, Joe, Yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: he may have even taken her.
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: It happened. She moved in the I believe the twenty
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: ninth or thirtieth of November. Obviously he was killed on
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: the twenty fourth, So that's aws in a week.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: And you know, when we did the Martin Show, we
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: did find documents saying that he had taken her around
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: to a bunch of a bunch of banks to open
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: joint accounts with her or in her own name, because
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: she didn't have anything.
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: Like that one hundred percent.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know where hl Hunt's office was, in
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: the First Republic Bank building. Okay, so it's not it
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be odd to see Marina in a bank owned
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: by hl Hunt. Thank you John loose moose crew, battling
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: through illness to bring forth JFK Info, fighting the good fight.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Yes we are trying, sir, trying.
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: Thank you so much. Sehn.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, John, you always rock, so you know. He goes
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: on to say that the hl Hunt Oil offices were
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: housed in both the Mercantile National Bank Building and the
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Mercantile Securities Building, which together covered the entire eighteen hundred
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: block of Commerce Street. Now. Hl Hunt also had an
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: office in the first Republic Bank building as well, which
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: is where we just saw the video of him walking
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: through and greeting all the secretaries and all that jazz.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Right up on the seventh floor, a steel connected to
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: both buildings that we're talking about here on Commerce Street.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: A steel door connected the two buildings on the seventh floor,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: so and that door was never closed or locked. Hunt
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: employees were constantly using the door to pass between the
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: two adjoining buildings, but this could only be accomplished on
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the seventh floor. In fact, only three people had a
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: key to the door. Mister Hunt had one, and executive
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: with Hunt Oil had another, and I had the third.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: That would be John Carrington, who was writing the book.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: That morning, mister Hunt instructed me to go to the
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Mercantile Bank building as soon as possible and lock the
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: steel door on the seventh floor. I was then to
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: check that floor of the Mercantile Bank building to make
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: sure that no Hunt employee was present. Should I encounter anyone,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I was to instruct them to go home immediately once
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: that floor was empty. My final assignment was to go
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: down to the lobby floor by floor and empty the
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: building out and wait to wait there in the lobby.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: If any Hunt employees came to work, I was to
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: instruct him to turn around and leave and not come
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: back for the day. Having completed the first two tasks,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I stood in the lobby and waited. There was no
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: activity for a while until mister Hunt came in around
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: eight thirty am. I advised him that all his security
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: requests had been followed to the letter and no Hunt
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: employee was in either building. Mister Hunt told me that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: soon a woman would come into the lobby and I
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: was not to speak with her or even acknowledge her presence.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And with that he turned and walked to the elevator
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: and took it upstairs. A bit later, a woman did
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: in fact walk into the building. She was alone and
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: wearing a modest dress. I recognized her immediately as Marina Oswald,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald. At that time, her
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: picture was all over the media, papers, magazines, television, and
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: because of the recent events, she was a very recognizable person.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: There's just no question that it was her. We didn't
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: speak or even glanced at each other. She ignored me
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: and walked directly to the elevator, pushed the button to seven,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: then disappeared inside. I remained in the lobby and to intercept,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: and had to intercept two other Hunt employees who were
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: trying to come to work as I'd been told to do.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I instructed them to leave immediately and not to come
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: back to work that day, and that they would be
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: paid for their trouble. About twenty minutes later, I heard
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: an elevator door open and Marina stepped out. She walked
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: across the lobby and out of the back exit. This
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: was in my line of sight, so I watched as
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: she got into a black automobile with US government license plates.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Once inside, the car drove away. Not long after that,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: the elevator opened again, mister Hunt came out. He made
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: no comment whatsoever on what had taken place upstairs or
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: who he had met with. Instead, he told me to
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: go and unlock the door between the two buildings and
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: take the rest of the day off with pay, which
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I did back. I have no way of knowing what
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: floor Marina visited or what her business was in that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: bank building that Saturday, but it seems more than a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: coincidence that mister Hunt one of the office is cleared
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: so that whatever he was doing or whoever he was
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: meeting it would be completely private. He had never ever
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: done that before and never ever did it again, while
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: all the time I worked for him, for anyone at
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: the time, HL Hunt's political views were well known, the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Hunt name had been spread throughout the world, and mini
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: fingers were being pointed at hl Hunt involving the death
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: of John F. Kennedy. So he goes on, you know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: to wonder why Marina would go to deny ever meeting
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: with hl Hunt. Okay, but this account is mentioned in
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: various places by various people. I mean, why would he
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: lie about it, you know, first of all, and it's
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: not just this guy that said it but his supposition
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: for the visit is very PG low KEI right. And
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: mister Hunt always said that he could give him ten
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: minutes with somebody and he could read them, and if
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: he thought that you were a genuine person, right, then
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: he would help you out, like he flew somebody in.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: There's a story in the book that he flew somebody
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: in for a job interview from Hawaii to Texas, right,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: paid for their airfare, accommodations, everything, brought them all the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: way from Hawaii, interviewed him within ten minutes, he knew
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: that this was not the guy for the job, okay,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: So he told the guy, sorry, you're just not a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: good fit or whatever the case may be. But he
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: told me to cut him a check for six thousand
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: dollars to thank them for their time, and paid for
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: their airfare back to Hawaii, which is something he did
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: on a regular basis. He would very generous to people
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: that he thought were legit and not scam artists. So
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: his analysis of this Marina meeting is that he generally
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: probably wanted to help this poor woman right if he
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: felt that she was in need of it, because you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: there's all this going on in the news you know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: she has two small children, no house now, no husband.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: You know, so what he thinks it was was him
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: giving her money, straight cash, just to help her out,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: and then he wanted to remain anonymous and you know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: please don't tell anybody type of thing.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: Well, that would have been interesting, rob because obviously he
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: was a vehemently anti communist, So being Marina coming from Russia,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: and of course still at that time being under suspicion
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: of having some role that would seem like a stretch
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: for him based on what I think we've learned about him.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: But still interesting.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's allegations that you know, she went
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: there to sleep with him for money, right, which I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: don't believe.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: Oh, he was pretty old at that point, and he
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: can get anyone if you want to pay for it. Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was seventy one at this point. I mean,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: prolific dude, Coxsmith Shore, fifteen known kids, Yeah, you know,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: multiple wives, big of a miss relationships. I mean, would
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: you just cause you can say you did, Joe.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: Seems more risk than reward to me.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, just just ten minutes, Joan, That's all I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: need here is ten thousand dollars cash.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: Lady but there were still there were still a lot
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: of speculation that she could have been Communist or had
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: some type of communist communist influence on Hoswald. I don't
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: think you would have risked that, just.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Just my gut reaction from reality. I'm just having a
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: very funny picture in my head about it.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, take that communist bitch.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: I mean, did you see the secretaries in her office
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: in his office?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I mean they were all smoke shows.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: But there's something about that Russian accent, Joe.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: You can't could he just because you can, so you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: can say, I don't know, I can't rule it out. No, No,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: it was likely something along those lines whereas innocent thing
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: where you know, you wanted to talk to her, get
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: a sense of her, where she was coming from, and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: he probably genuinely felt that she could use the help
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: and helped her out and told her don't ever tell
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: anybody please, you know.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's definitely possible. I don't think
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: it's likely, but you never know with billionaires.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: And we got John Limb back up in here, Oh
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: we do, hold on, Yeah, what's up, John? I wanted
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: to share some sad news. John Pappas Skip Haul's step
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: son who Skip handed the rifle too, passed away at
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: age eighty. He sent me more photos and infoo Skip
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: this week before he passed. Damn. Oh no, huh, well
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: that sucks, that really sucks.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: M Well, at least you were able to get some
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: more photos and corresponding with him before he passed. I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: know he's been on the Lauren Hall and Papa's trail,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: and I know you have and Doug have had photos
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: of of the said rifle allegedly, and I think John
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: correct me if I'm wrong. Was he was to bring
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: it to uh dB Cooper KHN this year or was
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: that last year?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's this year, but it was yeah, this
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: past year.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm guessing it probably didn't happen this past
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: year of course, but uh, I know you mentioned it
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: to us when we spoke last and.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Congratulaten. By the way, I heard it was
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: a big success and oh like everybody and looking forward
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: to the second book that's coming. Who was Skip? Not
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: where with Skip? Who is Skip? Oh?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: Really?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: I did not know this.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have to have him back on when
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: it when it gets close to coming out, So.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: That's an easy that's an easy sell.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: You know who was skip.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great interview, one of my favorites with
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: John len Beck and a great guy.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: And thanks for the infro.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: John.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if there's any any news coming out
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: of that side of things. But man, yeah, that sucks.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: Damn you r I p Yeah, So where will the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: if he had possession of rifle, where would it go
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: to his kids, Papas's.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Kids, John, I'm sorry he might have willed willed it
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: to John. Yeah. You know these old people, John, you
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: got to start talking into like changing their will a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: little bit, like, hey, look, you're getting old. You know,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: something could happen anytime. Really mhm. You know you want
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: that rifle to come home someone who's really gonna take
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: care of it and preserve history, or to.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: A museum that will kind of keep the uh the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: idea alive. And uh, John, I think he yeah, Uh,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: being one of the runners of Cooper Kahn would have
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: definitely been a good person to kind of carry that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: on forward. But sad news, nonetheless. But good to see you, John.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: We definitely hope to talk to you soon.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Jfk Back, there is creeping sally out. She's like that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: picture of the guy creeping out, creeping, creeping out behind
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: the curtain. Back there, do you see it? I that's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: the skateboard. Oh, the lonegoming podcast skateboard. Wow, one of one,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: A one of one. Hang on for a second, folks,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Hold tight, it's been a while. Hold on, be right back,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: hold the phone.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: Rob was uh a big skateboarder back in the day.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: So all right, m everybody's gonna freak the f out
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: when they check this thing out. Joe, all right, let's
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: see here. Okay, it's actually a skateboard deck. This is
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: grip tape. You see who that is, right of course?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: John F. Kennedy, Young, John F. Kennedy swinging dick, John F. Kennedy, Right, yeah, oh,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: big bad Bob custom grip tape. It's all on the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: grip tape. That is fire right.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 16: And then your f as the kids say this out,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 16: whoa m h whoa look at that?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: Does that me?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: And you yes, sir, Oh it's no.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: It's for being awesome. That is awesome. Man, that is
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: so cool.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Yep, that is a one of one.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: That is awesome.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: So it's not It's not just a creepy dude peeking
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: out behind the curtain back there. It's a badass skateboard
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: deck sally.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 7: Yes, Ali loves it and uh.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Keep sweet talking to me. I might will it to you. Yeah,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: like John Lemack needs to do to the Papas family.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: M hmm.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Well that is exciting news that, uh he's coming
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: out with the part two because I know the DP community,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: d B Cooper community has had a pretty good reception
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: to his h uh, his last book, which of course
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: he came on and talked to us about.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of people that come up
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: with suspects out of the blue, right, but Lauren Hall,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, seems to be pretty accepted by the dB
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: Cooper community for the most part, which I was surprised by.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: Of course, fans of this this podcast will know, right,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: we're fans.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: We're already on the Skip Hall fanwagon.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I was really intrigued to see it.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: I believe that he was a badass operator.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: Dude.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: He gave zero ass about anything. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: pull off the heist, lived in the right area, crazy enough,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: crazy enough to do it, smooth enough to do it
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: balls enough to do it?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm looking forward to that. Uh,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: you made my night, Rob, So thank you. So before
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: we go too far over time, and like to thank
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: the sixty people we have in watching. Right now, let's
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: get into Paul Rothermill.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: What do you say, sir, Let's get into him, Joe,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I thought we were already into him.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: Well, Mike, I.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Just interrupted you slightly for the Marina story.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Well my power points, yes, which we have you
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 7: have to get into, which I might have to cut short.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Thank hold on, hold on now, John, damn it, sir,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to come back on the show. In August,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: he sat for three hours, and then Applebee's in Newton,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Kansas was Skip Paul's only living son from his first marriage,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Larry Stay tuned, m So he names his firstborn son
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: after his after his best friend, Larry Lawrence Howard. Of course.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: That is gonna be great. Yeah wow, and I guess
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: it's this last living son as of pappis right, well,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: Papas was his step son, I believe.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah yeah, Papa, yeah yeah, well yeah, we can't wait.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: To have you back on, John for sure, damn straight
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: and some things. On my Lancer presentation, I want to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: ask you about Skip Paul and being in a Cuban
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: prison and some of the people he met there. But
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: we will get into that and you come back on
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: so Rob. Of course, there has been much speculation that
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: Paul Rother, of course, the head of security for hl HUNT,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: had pre knowledge the assassination and even alerted the authorities
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 7: the DPD Criminal Intelligence Division to be specific, that he
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: had pre knowledge that there was going to be a
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 7: lot of drama on the parade.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Route, high drama.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: High drama, and he made this memo or he communicated
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: this on November fourth of nineteen sixty three. But so
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: we're going to get into some of some of that,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: and I dug into this a little bit. This is
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: actually an FBI memo about his November four, sixty year
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: report that was in October of nineteen seventy five actually
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: and is of course about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, Dallas, Texas Redacted reported
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: that Earl Goat Goals Golz, reporter Dallas Morning News, came
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: into possession of documents three years ago from Paul Rothermel
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: former special agent FBI, so we should stop there. Hl
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: hunts header Security. Paul Rothermel was a former special agent
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: of the FBI. I believe it was for like fifteen
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: to twenty years. I don't think the exact number of
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: years he spent in there, but that's kind of common
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: even today. Right when you hire head of security, you
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: hire former law enforcement and intelligence right. Goal told the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 7: Dallas Morning Reporter redacted, which I think is like DL
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: or TLT one informant. He has a document dated November four,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: sixty three from Rothermel to hl Hunt, now deceased, which
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: states Rothermel was told by a reliable source that there
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: would be a violence along the parade route to be
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 7: taken by the President.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: John F.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: Kennedy. The communication further states Rothermel reported this information to
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: the Dallas Police Department and the FBI. Redacted. Again. I
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: think the informant name reported Goals, has over the years
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: written stories of possible conspiratorial plots to assassinate the president
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: that Goals will, if the story is written, try to
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: tie in hl Hunt into gathering information about the upcoming
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: visit of the president. The informant had no information when
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: Rothermel supposedly reported this information to the DPD or FBI,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: nor information as to the identity of Ruthermell's reliable source.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: So we're going to kind of go chronologically here as
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: the FBI puts this together. Goals is of the opinion,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: although neither proven, that hl Hunt made contributions to the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: John Bird Society in California, who in turn were allegedly
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: financing trained assassins, including an individual by the name of
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: Eugene Brady or possibly Brady, or Eugene Hale Braden or
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: Jim Braden, who of course was from California, rob who
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: was alleged who had visited mister Hunt a few days
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: before the assassination. Informant redacted stated said he would attempt
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: to ascertain if Goals writes the story including the above information,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: and Informant redacted speculated that if the story is written,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 7: it will possibly appear in the Dallas Morning News, and
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: it did. Review of the Dallas indices and all indicated
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: references fails to disclose any record of Rothermil having furnished
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: information to the effect that there will be violence along
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: the parade route. So the FBI is saying we don't
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: have any information that Rothermill gave us this you know
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: this heads up, nor has any information been located in
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: the DPD files to substantiate any of the above information.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: Dallas will promptly interview former Special Agent of the FBI
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: Rothermel after October nineteen seventy five in this regard, and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: will be noted that Rothermill was redacted of the Dallas office,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: which is interesting because that peaked my attention.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 7: It will be noted that in nineteen sixty three, Rothermil,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: the header security for chel Hunt, was redacted of the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: Dallas office. So what does this mean? Well, let's go
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: to our cursive weekly learning session here as we prepare
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: for the upcoming releases. Special Agent in charge of out
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 7: of town on This is where I don't know what
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: it means. Is why I like to include the chat
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: and you on this on kind of informant. I was
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 7: kind of able to glean confidential right here. Plus DL,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: which I believe was the code for the informant is
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: waiting until something two handled. Again, it doesn't make sense,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: but I wanted to get people's take here because I'm
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: working on my cursive skills here. But It's interesting that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: this is handwritten at the bottom of the redacted area here,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: so I think this is referring to this Again, that
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: is also a kind of speculation. So if anyone in
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: the chat wants to give a shot and atfering this,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: please put it in the comments and let us know. So.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: Of course, the main point being is that rother Mill
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: was a former FBI agent, and so shortly after there's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: another FBI report on Rothermel regarding this warning, and in
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: close for information of the Bureau are two copies of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: FD three or two, probably three or two reports reflecting
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: interview with Paul Marion Rothermel Junior ten thirty seventy five
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: in Dallas, Texas. Rothermel two four six Little Creek Drive, Richardson,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: Texas provided the FBI office with the following information. He advised.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: During November sixty three, he was employed as a security
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: advisor for hl Hunt and Hunt Oil Company in Dallas, Texas.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 7: On November fourth, nineteen sixty three, he prepared an inter
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: office memorandum to hl Hunt and other key Hunt executives
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: stating was possible an incident might occur during the proposed
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: visit of President John F. Kennedy to Dallas in late
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 7: November nineteen sixty three. This memorandum was not distributed to
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: the FBI, of course they will say that, or any
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: aside individuals other than Hunt employees, and was intended for
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: the internal use of that organization. This memorandum was prepared
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: as a result of rother Mill's conversations with members of
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: the Dallas Police Department Intelligence Division and his own assessment
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: of the political climate in Dallas during nineteen sixty three.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: Rother Mill had concluded it was possible an incident such
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: as a protest demonstration, might take place during Kennedy's visit
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: to Dallas. Rothermel stated that this period of time, some
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: Hunt Oil Company executives were politically conservative and thus in
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: opposition to JFK's programs were intended oh His memorandum was
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: intended to inform these individuals of the possible occurrence of
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: an incident so that they would not participate in any
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: anti Kennedy activities that would later prove to be an
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: embarrassment for of course, to Oil. Rothermel stated he had
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: no indication there would be an attempt on Kennedy's life
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: and he would not and he or he would have
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: notified the proper authorities, including the FBI, of course, being
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: an FBI former special agent, that seems kind of logical.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: But FBI document a couple of days later, Rothermill actually
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: advised and gave the FBI his memorandum. He gave on
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: November fourth, sixty three to the FBI, of course, like
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: two weeks before JFK. And this is what Rothermill says
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: his memo internally to HL hunts Oil said on November nineteenth,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: LBJ will be in Dallas for a short period and
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: he will then go on to San Antonio. On November
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: twenty second, Johnson and Kennedy returned to Dallas, where a
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: parade is planned for them. They have been unconfirmed reports
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 7: of possible violence during this parade. The FBI and Police
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 7: Department each have planted an informant in the General Walker
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: Group here in Dallas interesting as well as the North
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: Texas State Group. The North Texas State Group informat is
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: reporting information that would indicate that the group may be
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: planning an incident. There is another report from a left
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: wing group that an incident will occur with the knowledge
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: of the president, whereby the left wingers will start the
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: incident in hopes of dragging the right wing groups or
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: individuals into the conflict and of course creating press. The
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: talk is that the incident involving Adlai Stevenson, which of
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: course we know been a couple of weeks before, and
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: of which Lee and Michael Payne attended that John Bird
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: Society meeting it might have been the day before, that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: made the president administration hopeful and that they can get
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: the same thing to happen to Kennedy. It could reassure
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: his re election. So they're kind of saying, like a
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: false flag to indict the right wing will help Kennedy's
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: reelection chances. I don't know what to make of that quote.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: The above information comes from a reliable informant, and while
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: it is in the hands of law enforcement agencies, there
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: is no publicity about it. Again, this is Rothermel memo
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 7: to Internal Hunt employees right about eighteen days before the assassination.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: If an incident were to occur, the true story of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: of who perpetuated it would never come out. That is
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: a weird statement. I don't get that, But I'm going
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: to continue a little long a little more here. I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 7: have thought about the problem and I am wondering if
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: a few letters to the editor might be a good
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: way of pre exposing this, in fact, if there is
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: a planned incident. Rothermill stated after reading the above memorandum
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: that it now appears he made the document more forceful
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: than he had recalled. So again this says what seventy
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: seven so it's almost fifteen years after the assassination. He advised,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 7: it is his recollection that there was indication of violence
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: during the Kennedy's visit and that time and at that time,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 7: and the information concerning the FBI and Police Department informant
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: was his own conclusion. Rothermill again advised it was the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 7: purpose of this memorandum to dissuade hl Hunt and other
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: employees of hl Hunt Oil Company from becoming involved in
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: the anti candidate activities during the presidential visit. Okay, a
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: lot of unpack here. So if you're a billionaire, the
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 7: richest man in the world, right is your head of
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: security pretty gangster and connected.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Should be.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: He is saying, I predict violence, and I don't want
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: and you hl Hunt or any executives of the Hunt
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: Oil Company going near this. That is what I would
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: want my head of security to say, I don't necessarily
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: view that as shitty, although he doesn't give his sources,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: but he seems to be in touch.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 17: What are your thoughts, Well, yeah, of course he's still
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 17: gonna have friends in the FBI who he talks to
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 17: and gets information from, as well as local pd is probably.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Beings that they have to work with them so often
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: on various things as well when it comes to you know,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: God knows what appearances, you know, just normal course of business.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody knows who hl Hunt is. Everybody knows,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: you know, how rich he is and how powerful he is.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: And he lives in your town, you know, so you're
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: gonna have friends in high places in the city government,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: the state government. And as we'll come to find out here,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: he was able to pick up the phone and call
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: President Linda Johnson anytime he wanted to. And you know what,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Johnson came to the phone every time hl Hunt called.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, yeah, And of course that's not necessarily suspicious
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 7: if you're the richest man in America and you're a
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: politician and he's from your home state and they were friends, like,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 7: you're gonna pick up the phone if you have any
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: interest in fundraising ever again, Right.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: You're gonna take there are certain calls you're gonna take,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: and that's one of them.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: Yes, that's like, that's like, that's like Trump, not you know,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: taking a call from Elon Musk.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Not saying you're gonna do whatever the guy says to do.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: But you're gonna at least take a call out of respect, yes,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: because if you don't, if you don't take that call,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: it could be viewed as twenty thousand things of disrespect. Yeah,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: and once you lose that, I mean, this was the
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: day when people actually cared about their reputations and you know,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: worked off handshake deals and people's word and ship. Yeah.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: No, yeah, So it gets even more interesting though, sir.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 7: So the next day, after rother Mill sends this internal
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: memo out, Captain Gannaway of the Special Service Bureau, the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: Criminal Investigation Department of the DPD sends out a memo
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: with a warning that threats are being made from both
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 7: the right and the left on JFK And they talk
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 7: about this informant. I guess William Fit returning.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: That to be heres with Captain wil Fritz Fits.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I thought I got confused at first. I
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: to do double take as well. The plans were being
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 7: made for the coming visit of the president, and he stated,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: we will drag his JFK's dick into the dirt end
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: of quote. Mm hmmm. He emphasized the group would have
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: well planned demonstrations during the President's visit to Dallas. So
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: very interesting that this is showing up literally the next day.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: So I'm going to jump a few years ahead here
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: now because we're yapping like six barbers. But this is
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: a CIA memo April sixty eight, Rothermill advising who else
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: but j. Waltimore the domestic contact contact for Dallas the CIA,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 7: and it says about Bill Wood, agent for Jim Garrison.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: And this says around the time of the Garrison investigation.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: Paul Rothermill, security officer for Hunt Oil Company, advised Jim
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: Moore Jay Waltimore that he had been visited recently by
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: a Bill Wood, who was making investigations in Dallas for
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: New Orleans dis attorney Jim Garrison. Wood was inquiring about
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: the CIA and its operations. According to Rothermill, bill Wood
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: used to work for an individual named claymore Wright, publisher
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 7: of the Houston Tribune. Rothermill said Hood went to work
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: for Jim Garrison under the name of Bill Boxley. Was
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: that his real name? That I didn't realize that. Rother
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: Mill also told more that Wood is well known in Houston,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: that his connection with Garrison is no secret. This is
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: the first that we have heard regarding this matter. I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: am sure the subject is the same William Clarence Wood Junior,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: who visited the Houston office early sixty seven, volunteering his services.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: At that time, he said he was executive VP an
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: editor of the Houston Tribune Publishing Company, a local weekly paper.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: You may recall that we were impressed with wood sincerity
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: aka you used him. He volunteered he had worked for
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: the agency and that his resignation had been readily accepted
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 7: because he had developed a drinking problem. He also said
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: he had not consumed and drop the alcohol for nine
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: and a half years, and blah blah blah. We requested
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 7: a name check clearance, which was received the third of
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: March nineteen fifty seven, followed by an eyes alone in
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: quotation memo tiny help us out here, what does that mean?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: Containing adverse information? Because of this, we dropped Wood as
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: a potential source. So they're admitting he was a source
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: at some point. We have not heard from him since
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: March seven, sixty seven, the last time he volunteered his services,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: although we have no contact with the Tribune. The current
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: editor of the paper, Harold Pyle, is reported to be
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: an exceptionally fine individual. Translation is probably a source that
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 7: I'm adding that there, guys. He retired from the Chronicle
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 7: many years joined the Tribune. J Walton Moore says Rothermill
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: has nothing more to add regarding Wood. If there is
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 7: need for details regarding wood separation from the Tribune, we
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 7: believe it will be possible to obtain the information discreetly. Yes,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: because the current editor is also your asset, is my
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 7: take on that. So there's been a lot of speculation
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: online that I was reading Rob was rother Mill cia.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 7: I'm not ready to go there, but I think this
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: document lays out a pretty good case that he's probably
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 7: an asset.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Of some type right, which is not out of the
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: realm of possibility, given how close he is to one
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: of the richest men in the world.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: And a former FBI agent as well specialations. So you
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: think he might not like be a complete trader, but
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: he might give some information talk to Jay Walton Moore.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, like if great information?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, and yeah, so that is fascinating. And I
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: just had one or two things here. More so, I
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: did find in the War Commission. This is Commission Exhibit
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 7: twenty two and seventy Jesus Christ of Connie Travel. And
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 7: you might not know the name as I mentioned it, Rob,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 7: but you will recognize her circumstances when I read this.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 7: In April sixty three, she and a group of seniors
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 7: from University of Texas came to Denton in connection with
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 7: the promotion of a best show. Sorry it's hard to
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: read if I'm starting. They stayed at the Adolphus Hotel
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: across from the Carousel Club and had a party at
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 7: the Carousel Club. Of course, oh by Jack Ruby. She
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 7: met Jack Ruby at that time and had a lengthy
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 7: conversation with him. She graduated from the University of Texas
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: and returning to Dallas from her home to try and
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: secure employment. Rob this is the girl that was allegedly
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: taken to H. L. Hunt's office with Ruby. Yes, this
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: was about the middle of November sixty three. She sought
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 7: employment for two or three days and then called Ruby
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: to see if he needed an employee. Ruby said, I'm
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: only interested in you if you can show your goods. Teaks,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: that is not part of the document. Guys, now, I
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 7: probably more sorry. That's ed Lib there. At this time
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: he tried to get her to go into show business,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: which she declined to do. She thought perhaps he can
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: employ her temporarily as a hat check girl right hat
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 7: co check, or in some capacity while she was trying
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: to find a job in her own line of work.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 7: About November twentieth, nineteen sixty three, that would be the Wednesday,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: she called Ruby and told him she had an appointment
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: with Lamar Hunt, which would be hl Hunt's son of
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: who whom the Lamar Hunt NFL or AFC Trophy trophy
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 7: is named after her, a prominent oilman in Dallas. She
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 7: called and inasmuch as she hoped that oilment or that
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: Ruby might have a personal acquaintance with mister Hunt, Ruby
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: came out to her apartment on November twenty first, sixty three,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 7: and they again discussed possible ideas for her to secure employment,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 7: and he drove her down to the offices of office
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 7: of Lamar Hunt. She was with Ruby from about eleven
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 7: am to one pm, and it was on the day
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 7: before the President was assassinated. On the way downtown, he
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 7: stopped at the Merchant State Bank on Ross Avenue for
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 7: a few minutes. She had not heard or seen Ruby since.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: Miss Trammel stated that Lee Harvey Oswald was not known
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 7: to her and she had no knowledge of any association
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 7: with Ruby and Oswalt and blah blah blah. So I
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 7: didn't know that was in the warrant commission. But I've
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: heard that story before of the girl the stripper that
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 7: didn't want to be a stripper, right that Jack Ruby
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: took to Hunt's office to try to get a job
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 7: for her.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: Very nice of him.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 7: Hey, he's a good guy. He's a good guy.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to eat her and stuff.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 7: I have a funny picture on that later, but since
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 7: I'm running out of time. Of course, Rob there is
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 7: the dear mister Hunt letter.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, and this is it, and it is.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 7: Dated November eighth, nineteen sixty three, and I believe it
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 7: was is found by Penn Jones, Junior, senior whatever, junior Hohova.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 7: And of course there's been a lot of speculation. Was
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 7: this mister Ahel Hunt was this Lamar Hunt? Was this E.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: Howard Hunt? Was that that guy hurt in North Carolina?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 7: But this letter did not get discovered until seventy seven.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: I believe, Yeah, I could be slightly off. So, I mean,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 7: they had all of Oswalt's letters and shit, you know
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 7: what I mean. So this, unless it's a big cover
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 7: up it, it would be a stretch for it to
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 7: be randomly found then.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: But I have no idea where this letter was found.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Do you have any idea where the evidence of this letter?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: It's in the book, So I'm looking now, Hold on,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Hold on a second.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 7: Apparently Penn Jones said it was given to him a
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 7: while ago, but he didn't publish it for a long
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 7: time because he didn't know or this, or that there
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 7: was handwriting experts, uh analysis gone on with this. I
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 7: believe the HSCA did some stuff too on it, and
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 7: they actually one of the handwriting experts said, yeah, that's
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: kind of Lee Harveyalswalt's uh penmanship. But it's hard to
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 7: imagine a situation where poor old Lee was writing a
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 7: letter to any of these.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: But here's what here's what Carrington has to say about it.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Sure this letter showed up in our inter office mail
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: system after the assassination, and that in and of itself
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't peculiar. The nineteen sixties was a more innocent age.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: People will find the stories in this book of getting
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: on an airplane with a briefcase full of money or
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: using an airline ticket in someone else's name to be
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: altogether unbelievable, but in reality, the idea of security was
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: nothing even close to what it is today. By that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: same token, people will often drop off an envelope at
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: the front and desk of Hunt Oil and it would
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: get put into the mail system for delivery to the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: address e and it could take several days or even
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: weeks to reach the person that was intended to, depending
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: upon the volume and efficiency of the interoffice mail delivery system.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: That is exactly how the dear mister Hunt letter came in,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: and since it did in fact involved mister Hunt and
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: did in fact suggest a meeting with Oswald, we elected
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: to turn it over to the FBI and never saw
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: it again. In private, mister Hunt did raise the question
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: as to whether Lee Harvey Oswald could be a lifeline listener,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: something that I think might have been a concern for him.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: This letter has become legendary over the years. Some say
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: it came from an anonymous source, or from Mexico, or
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: from this person or that person. It has been said
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: that it was definitely written by Oswald because on one
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: particular curly queue on a letter, or that it couldn't
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: have been written by Oswald because of another particular curlyque
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: on another letter. Personally, I have no idea whether it
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: was written by Oswald or not. I only know that
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: it showed up in our office and we gave it
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: to the FBI, and what they did with it or
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: how they funneled it to whoever, is something that I
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: have no idea about. So he is confirming that this
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: letter did come in to the Hunt offices at some
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: point point after the assassinate or I know it's dated
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: November eighth, but he says they weren't nobody realized ye
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: had assassination.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm sure I'm listen, he runs
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: the biggest oil business in Texas. I'm sure he gets
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: a ton of job requests. And we know for a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 7: fact that Lee was applying for jobs all over time. Right, So, uh,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 7: even if it was from Oswalt doesn't necessarily mean anything solatious.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: And go ahead and read it one time, Joe, so
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: everybody can hear it.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I gotta read it. Okay, Yeah, that's a
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: cursive so we will go into our cursive exercises here.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: That aka Rob might have to read this.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 7: I am asking only for information on suggesting that we
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 7: discussed where you're fired.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: All right, let me read it. I would like information
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: concerning my position. I am asking only for information. I'm
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: requesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: are taken by me or anyone else. Thank you, Lee,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald. Yes, it's very vague, right, very made, but
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: it is interesting, all right? What could it mean? Who
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: the hell knows?
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah? And like I mentioned, was this to to hl?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Was this to Lamar?
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 7: Was this to E. Howard Hunt? A lot of people
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 7: have suggested that, uh, this was addressed to eat Howard
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 7: Hunt and he's asking what should you do next? Type
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 7: of thing.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: Carrington's saying it came into the H. L. Hunt offices.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, deally it would have been addressed to either
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: HL Hunt or one of his adult male children. Yeah.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: Also probably in the same building. Yes, because we have
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: a letter, but we don't have the envelopes, and we
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: don't know which mister Hunt. It could be Bunker Hunt,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: it could be Lamar Hunt, could be h L. Hunt.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: It could be Hugh Hunt. It could be Howard Hunt
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: or Caroline. It could be Haroldina.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: It could be Haroldina. Uh right, well you never know.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: It could be mister or missus. You never know. Yeah,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 7: but but yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: And u.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I mean there's just a lot of controversy
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: over this potential letter and what it could possibly mean.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 7: And I honestly, like, I don't know if.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: My personal belief is that this letter was not written
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: by Lee Harvey Oswald. To me, that just does not
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: look like his handwriting. It is way too neat. Yeah,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: and and you were his middle name like that, just
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: signing a letter, he would have said thank you, Lee Oswald.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 18: And he was already working at the TSBD then, So,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 18: I mean you don't think he's going to be super
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 18: active on the job search, I mean, like crazy active.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't necessarily imply a job search. It just
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: implies that, Okay, I'm in place, what are you wanting
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: to do next?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: Well, position I think semi implies that position as a
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 7: job at least.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Some job, or literally I'm in place at the place
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: where you told me to get a job at what
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: do I do next?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: Right, That's why people think it could have been to
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: empower Hunt. Right, That's why people think that. Yes, so,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's a whole other crazy rabbit hole, but
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 7: that we'll move on to. But I want to share
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 7: really quickly the Hunt Oil Company response to this letter.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 7: A spokesman for Hunt Oil Company categorically denies that the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 7: hl Hunt ever knew, communicated, or ever received communication from
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: Lee Harvey Oswalt. A speculative news report in a local
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 7: Dallas newspaper had indicated that Oswald allegedly sent a letter
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: to an unidentified mister Hunt in early November sixty three,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: and inference was made in that story that the mister
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 7: Hunt referred to might have been hl Hunt. Now, on
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: the basis of the speculative story, local broadcasts and at
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: least one national news magazine have continued to report that
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: hl Hunt may have been may have received such a letter.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: It is highly prejudicial to assume, with absolutely no supporting evidence,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 7: that mister Hunt and the alleged letter refers to the
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: late hl Hunt. Such ubstantiated slurs against a man who
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: has deceased and can no longer defend himself as shameful.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: A public or private apology has been requested from the
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: newspaper which printed the story initially.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Roger that night, what do you say on screen?
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 7: I have the I have the documentary.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: But his mailbox was empty in the movie, implying you know,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: this letter wasn't in there that maybe l O L.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: Yes, thank you, sir. This is from one of his sons,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 7: hl Hunts songs, one of the one of the many,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: one of the many. To the best of our knowledge,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 7: hl Hunt never met mister George de moorn Shield nor
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 7: had any business dealings with him whatsoever. So I guess
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 7: one of these allegations came from demorn Shield and by
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 7: extension William Altman's.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: Well we talked about that Wednesday night.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, synchronicity, sir, Yeah, that's why I included this.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: Any allegation by all means that hld Hunt was involved
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: with demorn Shield, who was also an oil man, or
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 7: oswalt In any way our figments of a strained and
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 7: distorted imagination. It is ludicrous to state that hl Hunt
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 7: had anything to do with the assassination of JFK. Missus H. L.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: Hunt Well, one of the three denies categorically that Demorin
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 7: Shield was ever in the Hunt home for any reason whatsoever.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 7: I guess George said that at some point the claim
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 7: that de Mornshield was a friend of HL Hunt is
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: totally false. Records of Hunts and they did keep really
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 7: good records, rob As because they did find the Rothermill
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 7: internal memo right warning of possible violence on the parade
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: route and this letter. They really did. We saw the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 7: typists they had there. They really took great records. From
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: what I could tell, records of the Hunt family bear
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 7: evidence to this fact that demarchiald name never appealed appeared
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: on any of these records. It has been publicly reported
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: that de Moornshield had a history of mental problems. If
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 7: in fact Demornshield ever claimed to have any relationship with H. L. Hunt,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: those claims must be viewed accordingly. It is easy to
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: generate publicity publicity over the grave of a dead man
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: who was no longer able to defend himself. Mister Altman
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: seems to be an expert. The family of HL Hunt
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 7: refuses to be savaged by Altman's who attempts to discredit
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: the memory of HL Hunt by vicious inn window and
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: unsubstantiated charges. Oh yeah, crazy right, Yeah, So I mean,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: I I'm not sure if the Hunt letter was written
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: by Oswald. I lean towards the no, and if I do,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: and if it was, I don't think there's anything particularly.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: It's so vague it can never mean anything, right.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: Right, So yeah, some cool stuff on Rothermill and uh uh,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: you know, we went through the his warning internally and
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: then the DPD remember the next day the h mister
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: dear mister Hunt letter. A lot of allegations surrounding the Hunts,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 7: but which ones are true?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're buried, folks don't give a fuck, you
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So let's move on to another
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: Carrington story here, Joe, are you ready for this one?
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: That's this is under the section the murder of Lee
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald. Okay, Saturday afternoon, November twenty third, the nation
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: was in shock over the death of the president. Late
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: that afternoon, I got a call from a lady who
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: did cleaning and ironing for my family. She said that
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: her husband had been arrested for a DWI, and she
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: asked me to come get him out of jail so
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: that he could come home. Before I could leave, the
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: phone rang again. It was around five thirty pm or so.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: When I picked it up. Mister Hunt asked me to
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: go down to the police station and check out what
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: kind of security, if any of, they had around Lee
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald. I never questioned anything that mister Hunt asked
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: me to do, and with the DWI case, I had
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: a perfect excuse to be in and around the police station.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: Bonding someone out of a DUI required maneuvering back and
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: forth between the police station and the courthouse. So I
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: went back and forth there three separate times. No one
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: questioned me, checked my credentials, searched my briefcase, or took
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: any special security measures. In fact, on one of my visits,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: I pushed the elevator button and went it opened up.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: God damn. Captain Will Fritz was standing there with Lee
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald and handcuffs. Obviously he was being moved around
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: for questioning or some other reason. Fritz recognized me and
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: I said, meet the son of a bit. You killed
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: the president. Lucky me, It's my lucky day. I had
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: seen Oswald before, so I made no comment. When I
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: finished with the DWI, I went home and phoned mister
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: Hunt around midnight. He had been very specific in his
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: instructions that I was to call him no matter what
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: time it was. I told him about my experience at
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: the police station, and I assured him that there was
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: no extraordinary security around Oswald at all. Mister Hunt then
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: asked me to contact Joe Savello, the head of the
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: Dallas organized crime family, and asked him to stop buying
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: Mount Vernon because mister Hunt wanted to talk to him,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: and Savello did so at about six a m. Sunday morning.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Later that morning, I was sitting at the First Baptist
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: Church of Dallas listening to a sermon by doctor Chriswell
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: when someone walked over and handed him a piece of paper.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: He opened it, read it, and after a pause, sombrely announced, Lee,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald has just been shot. I had a sick
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: feeling in the pit of my stomach and thought about
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: my visit to the jail to check on security and
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: my contacting Joseph Ello. I'd later learned the details. At
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: eleven twenty one am Oswald was being transferred to the
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: County Jail by an armored car. As he was taken
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: through the basement of the police station, Dallas club owner
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Jack Ruby pulled out a gun and shot him in
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: the gut. Two hours later, Oswald was died at Parkland Hospital,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: the same facility President Kennedy had had taken to and
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: died two days earlier. There have been many different theories
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: as to what prompted Ruby to shoot Oswald. What I
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: know about Ruby was that he was a wanna be
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: gangster that ran a burlesque club in Dallas. He badly
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: wanted to be someone important, but never was. Mister Hunt
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: was aware of who Jack Ruby was, but to my knowledge,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: they'd never met. I doubt mister Hunt ever had any
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: private business whatsoever with Jack Ruby. I certainly never saw
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: Ruby at the Hunt offices, and I doubt mister Hunt
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: would ever set foot in the Carousel Club. I went
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: there a number of times, but strictly on business. When
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: we had an important client in from out of town,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: I would rint him the presidential suite at the Adolphice
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: Hotel in downtown Dallas and then take him over across
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: the street to the Carousel Club for an evening of entertainment.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: The dancers there were pretty much all call girls, so
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: the client could pick out what he liked and take
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: her back to the hotel for a date. In quotes,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: I have no idea whether Ruby got a cut of
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: the money or not, but it wouldn't surprise me a
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: bit if he did. That's just the kind of guy
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: that I believe Jack Ruby was, and I don't doubt
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: he was horn out. His girls heard that allegation before.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and maybe to the people that couldn't afford the
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 7: a Dolphice they went to the Six Flags Motel.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is one curious footnote to the murder of Oswald. However, Now,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: when Jack Ruby was taken into custody and strip searched,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: police found two transcripts of HL Hunt's Lifeline radio program
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: in his pocket. During Ruby's incarceration, Hunt wanted to keep
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: up with all of his activities. Who sent him mail,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: who he contacted, who visited him in jail. I received
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: regular reports that during that time, and passer was on
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: to mister Hunt. Oddly enough, in the eyes of the
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: law today, Jack Ruby is considered legally innocent of Oswald's murder,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: even though the killing was broadcast over a million people.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: Ribby was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for the killing,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: but his lawyers got the conviction overturned. However, based on
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: a couple of legal issues that were associated with the trial.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: This completely erased the first conviction. But before he could
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: be retried, Ruby developed pneumonia and was admitted to Parkland
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: Hospital in Dallas, and doing some medical test doctors realized
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: he had cancer of the liver, of the lungs in brain,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: and within three weeks January third, nineteen sixty seven, and
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: an ironic twist to this story, he died in the
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: same hospital that President Kennedy and Oswald had both been
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: taken to and died previously. The official cause of death
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: was listed as a pulmonary embolism secondary to bronchiogenic carcinoma,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: which is lung cancer. Speaking of Ruby and Oswald, the
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: next section concerning mister Hunt and Joseph Ello based suggest
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: an answer to the question of why Jack Ruby shot
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald, but we're not going to go there
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: on this program. If you like it. Took out the
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: book hl Hunt Motive an opportunity. It's not a thick boy,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: it's a thin one. It's maybe one hundred and sixty
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: or seventy pages of goodness something like that. But yes,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: thanks to Mitchell for sending this to me seven years ago.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I saw an interview with him with Currington actually today.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 7: Very interesting for sure.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this, uh the paper they sent in with a book.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: I told you this Wednesday night, but I think we
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: were already off the air, it says, dear Rob, as
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: we discussed via email, I'm in closing a complimentary copy
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: of the new book h ol Hunt Motive, an opportunity
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: for your perusal. I hope you find it interesting. If
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: you have any questions, please don't hesitate to drop me
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: an email. And if you like me and or John
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: on your show, we'll get that done. I don't know
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: if either one of them are still alive or not.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: Do we know if Carrington still alive.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 7: He was alive as of three or four years ago.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: He looks a day older than dirt seven years ago.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 7: But who's saying you know, Yeah, it's crazy. And I'm
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 7: glad you mentioned Joe Savello because that's a very that's
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 7: another thing that's talked about with ahel Hunt and Carrington
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 7: and how Josepllo who I have this here. So in
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 7: the early nineteen fifties, Boss Joe Piranio ran the Dallas
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 7: LaCOSA Nostra. Since nineteen thirty he had controlled bootlegging, gambling bars,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 7: and strip joints in Dallas and Fort Worth, Texas. In
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 7: fifty six, Piranio committed suicide and his underboss, Josephvello, took
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 7: over operations. Both Savello and his underboss, so he became
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 7: the boss and the under boss became.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: Waif.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 7: Jack Joe Campezi claimed kinship with New Orleans Lacos Nostra
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 7: boss Carlos Marcello. Through these Magno Marcello controlled various legal,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 7: illegal rackets and vice business in Dallas. Savello had been
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 7: convicted for a narcotics trafficking in nineteen thirty seven, but
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 7: after his parole from Leavenworth, I and his associates Joe Campezee,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 7: Sam Campeze, John Colletti rose in the ranks of the
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 7: Dallas Periano family, and Jack Ruby was a frequent visitor
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 7: to Savello's grocery and Campeze's restaurant. Of course, we know
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 7: Campeze was one of Ruby's earliest visitor, if not his
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 7: earliest and so the story goes, Savella was called in
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 7: the middle of the night on I guess early November
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 7: twenty fourth, right the early morning hours of the twenty fourth,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 7: and he was told HL Haunt wants to see you
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 7: by current him. And when he arrived at six or
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 7: seven am in the morning, they had a meeting they
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 7: don't know what about. And a few hours later, Jack
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 7: Ruby shoots Oswald and the implication is Savello had something
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 7: to do with that. Now it's a tough one. I
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 7: think Ruby was assigned that way before that of Sunday morning,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 7: but yeah, yeah, but could he have been maybe reinforced
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 7: to type it to try and do that? Very possible,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 7: but very interesting that he that Carrington essentially says like
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 7: the boss of the Dallas family wanted to meet with
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 7: HL Hunt and h L Hunt woke up in the
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 7: middle of the morning and early morning hours of Sunday
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 7: to meet with him. And I think Rothermill says something
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 7: about that too. I don't know if he completely corroborates it,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 7: but it's it's fascinating for sure.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: Definitely definitely all right, folks, we're blowing the tooth.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I had this highlighted earlier, and I couldn't
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 7: have said it better. Tiny, become a covert operator and
• 2:07:28
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• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: The link is in the description of this here video.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: I made it real easy for you now.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 7: So but uh, I mean, did hl Hunt have a
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 7: role in the assassination? I mean I'm not convinced. Did
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 7: he give money to right wing and Cuban causes? Yes,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 7: if he did, did he know that that was directly
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 7: going towards this mission or operation? I'm not sure, But
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 7: we know our audience is very educated, and we have
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 7: given you the facts and you can, of course decide
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 7: for yourselves, ladies.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: And for one night and one night only, Joe, we're
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: going to give Dino the night off in our closing.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 7: Same Ruby's going to be pissed.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: No, no, we have another one. Oh, We're just giving
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: Dino the night off tonight. He will be back, but
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: for one one night only. We have a special guest
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: helping us close the show. And his name is Singly.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: He's the single bullet theory. Singly. You ready for this?
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm Okay, here we go. Once again. Thank you
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: for everybody you hung out with us, and uh, thank
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: you always a blast. You guys made it lit in
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: the chat as per the usual over sixty people right
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: now over showed out. So thank you guys very much.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Hopefully next week I'll have more energy and life in me.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: It's been a rough week for your boy. I've been
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: sick all week and work sucks. Uh so it is all.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: It's good seeing some people. I haven't seen you in
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: a while. Thanks for hanging out with us. And without
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: further ed ya Joe Ah, get the damn dog and
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: start dancing.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 19: Se you doo, We're gonna have lots of fun. Come
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 19: on behind me is good old Lee Harvey. Can you
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 19: say loan good Man?
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Loan good Man?
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: I knew he can do it now.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 19: Some people say he's working with the Cubans or the
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 19: CIA or the mafia. Ho, that's all a big load
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 19: of horse who and he definitely isn't a part of
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 19: a secret caball within the US government led by Lynda
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 19: bas Johnson in order to put him in the President's
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 19: chair and jumpstart America's a bowman and Vietnam.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: Wah, what Ruby your kids trying to do what I do?
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 19: I always get butterflies in my stomach at this mort
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 19: hellow that was a real kick in the fanny. Hey,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 19: there's some sort of maricat over there. Let's go check
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 19: it out. Look it all the nice people. I'm gonna say, hello,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 19: how did you asked?
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 5: Nija?
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: Hoo?
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 19: Miss Dickles working now all the way right here for
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 19: one point six seconds.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 15: And then turn right?
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Whoops, a little lost here?
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 19: Maybe I should ask for directions now, chane's the station
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 19: on the radio, and turn all the windshield wipers, ain't
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 19: I stinger? And now back through the rest and finally coming.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: To rest in the left thigh.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 19: One bullet, seven wounds. Not bad for a day's work, huh,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 19: But I ain't done yet for my last bit of magic.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 19: Pere out of nowhere in the stretch her in the
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 19: corridor of Parkland Hospital, and.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 5: I'm steal in mid condition. Dude.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 19: Well, kids, I sure hope you enjoyed learning about my
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 19: special abilities. We sure had fun, right And if anyone
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 19: tells you there was a conspiracy, he can just tell
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 19: him it says the fort told you different.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a conspiracy, all right, folks. That's it for us. Bye, Ruby,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: by Ruby, you behave yourself and stay out of them.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: George girl.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 7: Next episode show you did.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: Next Wednesday Conspiracy.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 7: Thank you everyone. I hope you have a great weekend. Rob,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 7: I hope you feel better.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: Your lips to God bears. This is under appreciated version
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: of the ay I right, Hell yeah, Jack.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: Rupie's name in Whispers, a man with secrets to deliver
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  Speaker 1: a Shadows Dance.
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  Speaker 4: The Lone gun Man unravels the fight.
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  Speaker 20: Truth bory in Histories to the Lone Gunness, Selen follows
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  Speaker 20: between awful class.
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  Speaker 20: Good nights between awful and the classing, the truth and
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  Speaker 20: mysty on to a Airways The story never does.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Next Wednesday we have this witch
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  Speaker 7: Story burst Hip spons