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Sharri | 24 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News this is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and good to be back with you tonight.
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Speaker 2: The morally bankrupt United Nations has been delta dose of
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Speaker 2: rare moral clarity, delivered in classic Donald Trump fashion, and
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Speaker 2: alban Ezi was forced to sit there, watch and suck
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Speaker 2: it up with a selfy afterwards.
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Speaker 3: To show for it. More on that. In a moment
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Speaker 3: on his.
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Speaker 2: First day in the top job, I sat down with
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Speaker 2: new police Commissioner mel Lanyon. I asked him what he'll
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Speaker 2: do to tackle crime, how he'll handle the pro Palestinian protesters,
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Speaker 2: and whether he'll sack the leakers. That's coming up, and
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Speaker 2: Australia's top political journalist Paul Kelly accuses Albansi of perpetrating
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Speaker 2: a fraud by recognizing a Palestinian state. He'll be on
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Speaker 2: the show a bit later, but let's start now with
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump's landmark address to the United Nations.
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Speaker 2: This was an extraordinary speech, not only for its content
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Speaker 2: but for its strong message to world leaders about how
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Speaker 2: he believes they're.
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Speaker 3: Destroying Western civilization.
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Speaker 2: Trump's two major warnings to the world were on uncontrolled
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Speaker 2: immigration and on green renewable energy.
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Speaker 4: I just want to repeat that immigration and the high
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Speaker 4: cost of so called green renewable energy is destroying a
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Speaker 4: large part of the free world and a large part
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Speaker 4: of our planet.
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Speaker 2: And the President said that countries that cherish freedom are
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Speaker 2: fading fast because of their positions in these two areas.
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Speaker 2: He spoke about sharia law becoming the norm in some
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Speaker 2: parts of the United Kingdom and countries, he said, losing
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Speaker 2: their individual culture because of migration. Now, as you know,
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Speaker 2: politicians often mock Donald Trump, but I hope they actually
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Speaker 2: listened to what he said in his speech today because
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Speaker 2: the substance was deeper than the headlines that you've probably heard. Yes,
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Speaker 2: there were some controversial remarks that risk offending that lily
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Speaker 2: livid and politically correct, but it was an hour long
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Speaker 2: speech and it had a very sharp message for the
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Speaker 2: woke left leading leaders like Alban Easy who pay no
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Speaker 2: regard to Western values. President Trump spoke about how uncontrolled migration,
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Speaker 2: he says, is the greatest crisis of our time, and
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Speaker 2: that the United Nations is partly to blame. Europe also
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Speaker 2: came in for a lot of criticism, and he said
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Speaker 2: many European leaders are destroying their countries.
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Speaker 4: I encourage all countries to take their own stand in
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Speaker 4: defense of their citizens as well. You have to do
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Speaker 4: that because.
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Speaker 1: I see it.
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Speaker 4: I'm not mentioning names.
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Speaker 1: I see it, and.
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Speaker 4: I could call every single one of them. You're destroying
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Speaker 4: your countries. They're being destroyed. And while we will always
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Speaker 4: have a big heart for places and people that are struggling,
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Speaker 4: and truly compassionate answers will be given, we have to
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Speaker 4: solve the problem, and we have to solve it in
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Speaker 4: their countries, not create new problems in our countries. And
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Speaker 4: we are very helpful to a lot of countries.
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Speaker 2: The President claimed there was even Sharia law in some
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Speaker 2: parts of London, and I have.
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Speaker 4: To say, I look at London where you have a
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Speaker 4: terrible mayor, terrible, terrible mayor, and it's been so changed,
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Speaker 4: so changed. Now they want to go to Sharia law,
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Speaker 4: but you're in a different country. You can't do that.
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Speaker 4: Both the immigration and their suicidal energy ideas will be
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Speaker 4: the death of Western Europe.
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Speaker 2: And also spoke about the number of people in prisons
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Speaker 2: who he says are migrants in individual countries across Europe
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Speaker 2: and Africa.
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Speaker 4: When your prisons are filled with so called asylum seekers
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Speaker 4: who repaid kindness and that's what they did. They repaid
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Speaker 4: kindness with crime. It's time to end the failed experiment
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Speaker 4: of open borders. You have to end it now. See
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Speaker 4: I can tell you I'm really good at this stuff.
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Speaker 4: Your countries are going to hell.
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Speaker 3: Going to hell.
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Speaker 2: And he was also fiercely critical of the United Nations.
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Speaker 2: He said, the body meant to protect world peace has
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Speaker 2: not helped end any of the seven wars that he'd negotiated.
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Speaker 4: It's too bad that I had to do these things
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Speaker 4: instead of the United Nations doing them, And sadly, in
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Speaker 4: all cases, the United Nations did not even try to
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Speaker 4: help in any of them. I ended seven wars, dealt
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Speaker 4: with the leaders of each and every one of these countries,
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Speaker 4: and never even received a phone call from the United
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Speaker 4: Nations offering to help in finalizing the deal. All I
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Speaker 4: got from the United Nations was an escalator that, on
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Speaker 4: the way up, stopped right in the middle. If the
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Speaker 4: first lady wasn't in great shape, she would have fallen.
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Speaker 4: But she's in great shape. We're both in good shape.
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Speaker 4: We both stood, And then a teleprompter that didn't work.
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Speaker 4: These are the two things I got from the United Nations.
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Speaker 4: A bad escalator and a bad teleprompter.
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Speaker 2: And he's right because you can see in this footage
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Speaker 2: that Milania did come close to stumbling. And it can't
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Speaker 2: be a coincidence that this is the precise moment the
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Speaker 2: escalator stopped working when the President.
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Speaker 3: And the First Lady were on it.
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Speaker 2: And it's a point the White House Press Secretary Caroline
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Speaker 2: Leavitt made as well.
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Speaker 3: She said on social media. If someone at the un intentionally.
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Speaker 2: Stopped the escalator as the President and First Lady were
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Speaker 2: stepping on, they need to be fired and investigated immediately.
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Speaker 2: But as you heard there when Trump spoke, he turned
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Speaker 2: the incident into a moment of comic relief during his
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Speaker 2: speech while still driving his point home, and his address
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Speaker 2: was in parts entertaining and even hilarious.
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Speaker 3: There were many moments.
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Speaker 2: Throughout the hour long speech when the hostile audience at
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Speaker 2: the United Nations couldn't help but laugh, and he also
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Speaker 2: got a laugh when he said he didn't mean to
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Speaker 2: be braggadocious, but I suppose if he doesn't outline his
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Speaker 2: own achievements, then who will, and so list them he did,
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Speaker 2: braggadocius or not. Now on the Middle East, on Israel,
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Speaker 2: Trump showed what is now rare moral clarity within the
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Speaker 2: walls of the United Nations. Speaking at the body where
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Speaker 2: many nations, including Australia, had just days earlier, voted to
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Speaker 2: recognize a Palestinian state or Trump made it clear that
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Speaker 2: this was a reward for the barbaric terrorism of October seven.
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Speaker 4: Now, as if to encourage continued conflict some of this
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Speaker 4: body seeking to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state. The rewards
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Speaker 4: would be too great for Hamas terrorists for their atrocities.
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Speaker 4: This would be a reward for these horrible atrocities.
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Speaker 2: And Trump also in this section of his speech, called
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Speaker 2: for the release of the hostages. Not a couple of hostages,
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Speaker 2: not dribs and drabs, but all of them.
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Speaker 4: Those who want peace should be united with one message,
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Speaker 4: release the hostages. Now, just released the hostages.
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Speaker 5: There.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it wonderful to hear the loud applause for Trump's
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Speaker 2: call to bring the hostages home now? Because for too
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Speaker 2: many world leaders, our own included, the starved and tortured
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Speaker 2: hostages are simply an afterthought.
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Speaker 3: And it's cruel.
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Speaker 2: Then, on the war Russia's war in Ukraine, Trump spoke
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Speaker 2: about the absurdity of other nations buying Russian oil, and
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Speaker 2: he singled out China and India over this, and he
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Speaker 2: said also that he'd recently discovered that some NATO nations
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Speaker 2: were doing the same.
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Speaker 4: Think of it, they're funding the war against themselves. Who
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Speaker 4: the hell ever heard of that one?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a great line, but an important point.
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Speaker 2: Russia can't be defeated while it's raking in millions, if
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Speaker 2: not billions, for its oil money that of course funds
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Speaker 2: weapons used against Ukraine. Now you may not agree with
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Speaker 2: all of what Trump said on energy, but it gives
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Speaker 2: you pause for thought, and he even acknowledged rare that
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Speaker 2: what he was saying on renewables wasn't politically correct. He
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Speaker 2: spoke about the hypocrisy of those who preach a low
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Speaker 2: carbon footprint being among the highest emitters in the world,
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Speaker 2: and he gave a great example of Joe Biden flying
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Speaker 2: to Hawaii on a fuel guzzling jet to play golf.
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Speaker 4: The carbon footprint is a hoax made up by people
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Speaker 4: with evil intentions.
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Speaker 2: And one of the points he made was on the
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Speaker 2: money being made behind renewable energy. This is often ignored
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Speaker 2: those getting rich from it. He also spoke about the
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Speaker 2: hypocrisy of the Paris Accord, which he called a scam,
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Speaker 2: and he explained how China was manufacturing solar and wind
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Speaker 2: products but still relying themselves heavily on coal and instead,
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Speaker 2: he said, they're exporting the renewable products, the solar and wind,
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Speaker 2: for profit. Now, Trump didn't mention Australia specifically, but of
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Speaker 2: course we are the classic example of this.
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Speaker 4: They build them, but they have very few wind farms.
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Speaker 4: So why is it that they build them and they
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Speaker 4: send them all over the world, but they barely use them.
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Speaker 4: You know, they use coal, they use guess.
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Speaker 2: The President also spoke about how windmills and solar farms
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Speaker 2: are taking away farmland and ruining the countryside in places
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Speaker 2: like Scotland, and he contested entirely the climate narrative.
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Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty two, the executive director of the United
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Speaker 4: Nations Environmental Program predicted that by the year two thousand,
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Speaker 4: climate change would cause a catastrophe. He said that it
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Speaker 4: will be irreversible, as any nuclear holocaust would be. All
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Speaker 4: of these predictions made by the United Nations and many others,
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Speaker 4: often for bad reasons, were wrong. They were made by
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Speaker 4: stupid people that of course their country's fortunes and given
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Speaker 4: those same countries no chance for success by a global
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Speaker 4: increase of fifty four percent, much of it coming from
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Speaker 4: China and other countries that are thriving around China, which
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Speaker 4: now produces more CO two than all the other developed
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Speaker 4: nations in the world.
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Speaker 2: Then, on another topic, I was pleasantly delighted to hear
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Speaker 2: the President speak strongly about taking action on risky research
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Speaker 2: into viruses that could be used as bioweapons, and he
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Speaker 2: referenced the COVID pandemic, which we know began with gain
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Speaker 2: of FFE function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,
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Speaker 2: and Trump said that even after the pandemic, many countries
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Speaker 2: are still continuing this risky, dangerous research.
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Speaker 4: Just a few years ago, reckless experiments overseas gave us
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Speaker 4: a devastating global pandemic. Yet despite that worldwide catastrophe, many
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Speaker 4: countries are continuing extremely risky research into bioweapons and man
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Speaker 4: made pathogens.
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Speaker 2: And he said that AI might be able to help
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Speaker 2: with tracking down countries that breach agreements in this area
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Speaker 2: of biological weapons. Now, to borrow a Trump phrase from
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Speaker 2: his speech, I don't mean to be braggadocious, but I
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Speaker 2: first uncovered this risky research that had been going on
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Speaker 2: at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and it was a
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Speaker 2: topic I asked Trump about when I sat down with
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Speaker 2: him for out one on one interview.
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Speaker 3: A few years ago.
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Speaker 2: So it was good to hear him raise it in
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Speaker 2: such an important forum as the United Nations.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: One of his closing points to finish up, Trump spoke
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Speaker 2: about the importance of personal relationships with world leaders, and
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Speaker 2: it was a powerful insight into just how great a
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Speaker 2: value Trump puts on the leader to leader relationship, on
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Speaker 2: what he calls the chemistry.
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Speaker 3: Have a look, I.
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Speaker 4: Only do business with people I like. I don't when
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Speaker 4: I don't like them.
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Speaker 1: When I don't like him, I don't like him.
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Speaker 4: We had, at least for about thirty nine seconds, we
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Speaker 4: had excellent chemistry.
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Speaker 1: It's a good site.
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Speaker 2: It was speaking out the leader of Brazil there when
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Speaker 2: he referenced the excellent chemistry.
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Speaker 3: But this is an important point. Trump and alban EASi
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Speaker 3: are diametrically opposed.
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Speaker 2: The extensive policy differences between the pair span climate change,
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Speaker 2: recognition of Palestinian statehood, immigration, national security, and much more,
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Speaker 2: and so it's no wonder that Trump has refused to
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Speaker 2: meet the weak and hopeless Albanesi and rebuffed his phone calls.
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Speaker 3: Earlier this year.
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Speaker 2: Alberzi was expecting a meeting with Trump on this visit
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Speaker 2: to New York to the UN He didn't get one.
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Speaker 2: He's not important enough, and we've seen from Trump's speech
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Speaker 2: how the President feels about his ILK. Now they will eventually,
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Speaker 2: we think meet on.
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Speaker 3: October twentieth, just under a month from now, but that
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Speaker 3: will be nearly an entire.
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Speaker 2: Year since Donald Trump won the presidential election in November
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Speaker 2: last year. It's unheard of for the leaders of America
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Speaker 2: and Australia to have such a poor professional and personal relationship.
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Speaker 2: And this is entirely owing to Albanese's disastrous radical left
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Speaker 2: policy platform that Donald Trump can absolutely see through.
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Speaker 3: Now, huge show.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, I'll cover Palestinian recognition with Paul Kelly, and stay
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Speaker 2: tuned for my interview with the new police Commissioner mal Lanyon,
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Speaker 2: appointed today. I ask him what he's going to do
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Speaker 2: about the protesters and whether he'll sack those.
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Speaker 3: Who leaked against him. That's coming up.
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Speaker 2: But now joining us former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
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Speaker 2: Kroger and John Howard's former advisor David Gazard.
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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, welcome. Firstly, Michael, I want to get.
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Speaker 2: Your reaction to Donald Trump's remarkable and landmark speech at
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Speaker 2: the United Nations that, in my view was really directed
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Speaker 2: at the other world leaders.
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Speaker 6: Well, I was an absolute cracker of a speech, extraordinary,
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Speaker 6: You'll never see the like of it again. Talking about
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Speaker 6: the world leaders, I actually think, Shari, he was talking
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Speaker 6: to the populations directly. I mean, the billion people in
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Speaker 6: India will be asking themselves to a yeah, why is
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Speaker 6: it we're buying oil from Russia. People in Germany and
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Speaker 6: France and Italy and Britain will be saying, yeah, he's
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Speaker 6: absolutely right about illegal immigration. What's our government doing doing
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Speaker 6: about it? They're not doing enough about it. All of
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Speaker 6: those same people in the western countries who are seeing
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Speaker 6: power bills go through the roof, are going to start asking, well,
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Speaker 6: we keep getting told renewables the cheaper, they don't appear
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Speaker 6: to be. So he's talking directly to the populations, and
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Speaker 6: I actually think it'll have an immense effect amongst people
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Speaker 6: because when the US president speaks, particularly someone like Trump,
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Speaker 6: who is a person of action, I think it has
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Speaker 6: a profound effect. And you can just you could have
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Speaker 6: just seen the knees of people like Macron and Starma
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Speaker 6: and others, you know, the knees shaking with every word.
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Speaker 3: And they are such weak leaders.
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Speaker 2: And you know Trump is often derided, but you look
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Speaker 2: at his strength an entire hour tearing into the globalist agenda,
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Speaker 2: the failings of the United Nation, what he calls a
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Speaker 2: climate change can You may agree or disagree, but mass
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Speaker 2: immigration in Europe, I mean, David, he didn't hold back here.
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Speaker 7: No, he didn't.
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Speaker 8: I mean I have a slightly different view than Michael,
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Speaker 8: although I respect his view and I think Michael's views
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Speaker 8: might play out.
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Speaker 7: Over the longer term.
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Speaker 8: I would say this about Australia, you know, setting aside
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Speaker 8: India and some of these other places, did Donald Trump's
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Speaker 8: speech overnight change a vote in Australia? I doubt it
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Speaker 8: is Anthony Alberanezi under any more pressure from the ABC
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Speaker 8: and Fairfax newspapers about not securing a meeting for nearly
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Speaker 8: a year with our closest ally and with.
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Speaker 7: The most powerful person in the world. Not for a second.
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Speaker 8: If Donald Trump actually meets him on October twenty and
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Speaker 8: there's an awkward exchange in the White House, will that
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Speaker 8: reflect badly in terms of our press on Anthony ALBERNISI
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Speaker 8: I doubt it. I doubt it very much.
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Speaker 2: This is a reflection of the media environment in Australia though,
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Speaker 2: isn't it, David.
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Speaker 3: This is what the media does here.
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Speaker 2: They give the coalition a hard time and they give Labor,
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Speaker 2: especially alban Easy, a very soft run.
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Speaker 8: If any Australian Conservative prime minister had not been able
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Speaker 8: to secure a meeting with the American president, there would
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Speaker 8: be there would be carnage in terms of newspaper The
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Speaker 8: pressure would be immense, and it's missing when it comes
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Speaker 8: to Donald Trump.
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Speaker 7: Because they don't like Donald Trump.
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Speaker 8: The left don't like Docald Trump. The left don't like conservatives.
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Speaker 8: More generally, the left are quite happily to celebrate the
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Speaker 8: death of conservatives in some situations.
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Speaker 7: This is the situation, the polarized situation we find ourselves
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Speaker 7: in now.
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Speaker 8: So you know, is Donald Trump speaking the truth in
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Speaker 8: a lot of these instances, Yes, he is. Will it
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Speaker 8: be reflected in public opinion in Australia over the next
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Speaker 8: months and years.
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Speaker 7: I doubt it.
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Speaker 8: Perhaps if your lorn goes down and we're faced with blackouts,
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Speaker 8: people will come to the conclusion that yes, Donald Trump
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Speaker 8: was right reluctantly and probably you know, finding every excuse
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Speaker 8: they can to excuse their positions leading up to now.
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Speaker 7: But we live at a time where the.
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Speaker 8: American president is very unpopular in Australia and the press
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Speaker 8: are not calling out the mistakes of the Labor Party.
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's not just the policy excuses that you've highlighted.
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Speaker 8: The Cabinet has gone out of their way, Our ambassador
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Speaker 8: has gone out of his way, The Prime Minister has
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Speaker 8: gone out of his way to insult Donald Trump. Donald Trump,
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Speaker 8: despite the selfie taking today, scared the shit out of
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Speaker 8: you know, to quote him, scared the shit out.
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Speaker 7: Of Anthony ALBINIZI a little while ago.
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Speaker 8: You wonder why it's taken a long time to get
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Speaker 8: a meeting. I mean, I seriously wonder whether the meeting
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Speaker 8: of October twenty will occur. We'll Donald Trump find a
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Speaker 8: way to get an excuse to not meet with Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 1: That's possible.
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Speaker 8: All of these play into it, but there is no
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Speaker 8: There seems to be no reaction from the Australian public,
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Speaker 8: no reaction from the legacy media here in Australia about
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Speaker 8: the parlor situation of a relationship.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know whether it's Australians aren't reading the news,
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Speaker 2: whether they just believe what they're being fed on social media.
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Speaker 2: I don't have an answer to that. But just while
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Speaker 2: we're on this point of Albanezi meeting with Trump, they
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Speaker 2: did have a very brief encounter at a welcome session
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Speaker 2: in New York and this was the selfie.
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Speaker 3: Have a look. This is the selfie that Albanize.
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Speaker 2: He likely cornered Trump and asked for a selfie and
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Speaker 2: then said he'd see him at the White House on
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Speaker 2: October twenty. It was probably just a passing meeting. But
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Speaker 2: Michael David's right, isn't.
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Speaker 3: He really that?
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Speaker 2: The reality is it is hugely embarrassing that alban Easy
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Speaker 2: traveled to the US on this and on others. He
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Speaker 2: traveled around the world to meet with the president, but
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Speaker 2: then Trump didn't find time for him.
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Speaker 3: This is a rebuke of Albaniz.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it is.
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Speaker 6: I mean it's not embarrassing, it's internationally humiliating. I mean
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Speaker 6: I feel humiliated as an Australian that our Prime minister,
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Speaker 6: like some star struck pop fan, is at the corner
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Speaker 6: the singer backstage, backstage and say hey, can I have
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Speaker 6: a photo with you? I mean we've all done that
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Speaker 6: as kids, or if you want to get a pratio
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Speaker 6: with the Prime minister or whatever. But this was just humiliating.
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Speaker 6: And look, this meaning on the twentieth of October. David
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Speaker 6: is probably right. What if this meaning is canceled at
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Speaker 6: the last minute. I mean, one if Albo flies there
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Speaker 6: and on the morning of the twentieth Trump has to
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Speaker 6: fly somewhere else or get involved in some international negotiation
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Speaker 6: over something in the Middle East perhaps, and he cancels
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Speaker 6: the meeting and Albow's left at the wall lorfs Astoria
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Speaker 6: in his hotel room. That's possible. I mean, what we
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Speaker 6: know is this right, Trump's are very clever guy. The
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Speaker 6: people around him are very very political. What he knows
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Speaker 6: is it's Albanezi, former very hard left wing student political activist,
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Speaker 6: pro Palestinian who said terrible things about Trump. His foreign
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Speaker 6: minister's worse Pro Pelstone supported the motion at the UN.
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Speaker 6: The Australian ambassador said the worst possible things any ambassador's
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Speaker 6: ever said about the leader of the country in which
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Speaker 6: they serve their country. We all know what Rada said
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Speaker 6: about Trump, we don't need to repeat it here. It's humiliating, right,
22:37
Speaker 6: So they're largely going to go to this meeting in
22:39
Speaker 6: the White House with Vans sitting there and Rubio is
22:42
Speaker 6: sitting there and Trump sitting there. That meeting could explode.
22:46
Speaker 6: It could explode. So you know, Albow's got the meeting good.
22:51
Speaker 6: We hope it goes well. Team Australia, we hope it's
22:53
Speaker 6: quiet and successful and you know, a lot comes out
22:56
Speaker 6: of it because we're very close to the Americans. But boy,
22:59
Speaker 6: he's hum merely the nation. He's absolutely humiliated this country,
23:02
Speaker 6: Albanezy and to get a selfie with Donald Trump at
23:05
Speaker 6: a meeting world leaders seriously so embarrassing.
23:08
Speaker 2: And even if Australians don't see through the Prime Minister yet,
23:13
Speaker 2: I personally find it a relief that the President of
23:16
Speaker 2: the United States knows and sees just how weak and
23:20
Speaker 2: bad Albanizi is.
23:21
Speaker 3: He can see what we're dealing with here, and I
23:24
Speaker 3: do find that a great comfort that we're you know,
23:27
Speaker 3: we're not alone.
23:28
Speaker 2: He can see how absurd this government and many of
23:31
Speaker 2: its policies are so irrational, so morally bankrupt. Anyway, I
23:36
Speaker 2: want to ask you both before we go about the
23:39
Speaker 2: Liberals and what's going on at the moment. Now we've
23:41
Speaker 2: seen just Enterprise, Garth Hamilton and Henry Pike, they're all
23:45
Speaker 2: Liberals publicly backing Andrew Hasty as leader.
23:50
Speaker 3: Here was just speaking with Ben Fordham.
23:53
Speaker 1: Has Andrew Hasty got what it takes to be a
23:55
Speaker 1: future leader?
23:56
Speaker 8: Oh?
23:56
Speaker 7: Look like I think so.
23:58
Speaker 9: I think he's passionate, who's got conviction. You know, the
24:02
Speaker 9: topics that I spoke to a two pack which I
24:06
Speaker 9: think we should be focused on our key institutions, which
24:10
Speaker 9: are family, community and our nation. I think at the
24:13
Speaker 9: core of Andrew Hasty's what he's leading with. I think
24:18
Speaker 9: it'd make a remarkable leader one day.
24:21
Speaker 2: Now, David, this has been a bit of a back
24:23
Speaker 2: and forth, but we've seen other Liberal MPs anonymously urge
24:27
Speaker 2: Hasty to stop. What they're saying is some kind of
24:30
Speaker 2: personal policy campaign. But you know, the party's entirely divided.
24:36
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is whether it's Hasty, whether it's
24:38
Speaker 2: Susan Lee, the Liberal Party needs to come out with policies.
24:43
Speaker 7: Yeah, it does.
24:44
Speaker 8: I mean there's always a period of blood liding after
24:47
Speaker 8: a bad loss, and it was a shocking loss. The
24:50
Speaker 8: policies are being reviewed, but you don't get forever to
24:53
Speaker 8: go through that review process, so.
24:55
Speaker 7: The leader's got to get on with it at some point.
24:57
Speaker 7: What do we know here?
24:59
Speaker 8: Disunity is deare We've seen that. I mean, Michael knows
25:01
Speaker 8: better than anyone after living in the state of Victoria,
25:05
Speaker 8: how disunity is going to kill the party. Is it
25:09
Speaker 8: a good thing that someone you know, the best of
25:12
Speaker 8: the best comes forward to leave the party. Probably, but
25:16
Speaker 8: it's messy, it's awful to go through. It's not in
25:21
Speaker 8: the short term interests of the party because day by
25:23
Speaker 8: day you're bleeding. But over the longer term, you know,
25:27
Speaker 8: these things sort themselves out. The one thing I would
25:30
Speaker 8: say is that puzzles me about this is that look
25:34
Speaker 8: at the hard arithmetic of this parliament. A hundred of
25:39
Speaker 8: the seats in the Parliament are Progressive or Labor or
25:43
Speaker 8: Greens or independent. And I think the majority of the
25:47
Speaker 8: party room is looking at this and saying, are we
25:50
Speaker 8: going to appeal to the majority of people in metro's
25:54
Speaker 8: seats in Australia where we have nine out of you know,
25:56
Speaker 8: close to I think it's eighty five estimated in metro
26:01
Speaker 8: areas are we really going to make our way back
26:04
Speaker 8: by having sort of some culture war out on the
26:07
Speaker 8: right And that's that's that is the only question that
26:10
Speaker 8: they should be asking at this stage. People who voted
26:13
Speaker 8: Tel and Green and Independent and the Labor Party didn't
26:18
Speaker 8: do so because the right wasn't engaged in enough culture wars.
26:23
Speaker 8: Now to figure out what we're standing for, we have
26:26
Speaker 8: to go forward with that. There has to be policies.
26:29
Speaker 8: We've got three years to sort that out. The reviewers
26:31
Speaker 8: in place, but.
26:33
Speaker 7: The politics of this has.
26:35
Speaker 8: To be to engage with the community where they're at,
26:38
Speaker 8: not telling them where they ought to be, which is
26:41
Speaker 8: sitting out on the right wing of the party. And
26:43
Speaker 8: that's why we're Susan Lee was chosen as the leader
26:46
Speaker 8: in the first place, so I think the time thought
26:50
Speaker 8: she reflected the views of the electorate better than others.
26:54
Speaker 8: And she's got to be given a go and if
26:57
Speaker 8: she if she stands or falls, that's on her. This
27:00
Speaker 8: will play out over time. But this is the politics
27:03
Speaker 8: of where the Parliament is at the moment.
27:06
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of a lot to unpack.
27:08
Speaker 2: Then we just don't have the time. But just a
27:09
Speaker 2: couple of quick points I mean, you know, things always
27:12
Speaker 2: cyclical and at the moment as a progressive parliament. But
27:16
Speaker 2: you know, as I was reminded when I interviewed your
27:19
Speaker 2: old boss John Howard, I think last week or the
27:21
Speaker 2: week before, if you have a strong leader, they can
27:24
Speaker 2: take Australians with them. He convinced Australians to have a
27:27
Speaker 2: GSD so you can show leadership on key issues, but.
27:31
Speaker 3: You need to be able to mount the case and
27:33
Speaker 3: be persuasive. But we are out of time.
27:35
Speaker 2: Apologies, Michael Kroger, David Gazzard, We'll see you next week.
27:41
Speaker 3: Now.
27:41
Speaker 2: New South Wales Premier Chris Means today announced Mel Lanyon
27:45
Speaker 2: as the state's new police commissioner. He has a wealth
27:48
Speaker 2: of experience and I expect he'll be stronger than Karen Webb.
27:52
Speaker 2: But the appointment isn't without controversy. The Premier addressed two
27:56
Speaker 2: scandals today involving Lanion.
27:59
Speaker 10: This decision was not made based on who had the
28:02
Speaker 10: mistake free perfect record. I want to make it clear
28:05
Speaker 10: that for me, it was based on who I believe
28:08
Speaker 10: should be in the commissioner's chair. On New South Wales's
28:12
Speaker 10: worst day.
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Speaker 2: And I sat down with the new police commissioner on
28:16
Speaker 2: his very first day in the job, and I asked
28:19
Speaker 2: him about those incidents, how he'll tackle pro Palestinian protesters
28:24
Speaker 2: and the fractured relationship with the AFP here it is commissioner,
28:29
Speaker 2: congratulations and your appointment to the top job today.
28:32
Speaker 1: Thanks Chary, much appreciated.
28:33
Speaker 2: Now, you had to pitch your vision to the premiere
28:36
Speaker 2: to secure this position.
28:38
Speaker 3: What did you tell him about how you'd fix crime
28:41
Speaker 3: in our state.
28:42
Speaker 11: I certainly spoke to him about what I see as
28:44
Speaker 11: the key priorities for us within the organization organized crime,
28:47
Speaker 11: which is one of the great scourges. The sort of
28:49
Speaker 11: risk that puts the community out is unacceptable. Domestic and
28:52
Speaker 11: family violence social cohesion is a massive focus for me
28:56
Speaker 11: as well, to make sure that we are stopping unrest
28:59
Speaker 11: before it occurs, and to make sure we're working very
29:02
Speaker 11: closely with communities well.
29:04
Speaker 3: On domestic violence.
29:05
Speaker 2: I know this has been a long term interest of
29:07
Speaker 2: yours and that you in fact led a domestic violence
29:11
Speaker 2: task loss is that correct?
29:13
Speaker 3: Previously in your career.
29:14
Speaker 11: Domestic violence reform so very much looking at we change
29:17
Speaker 11: things around, established the Domestic and Family Violence Registry to
29:20
Speaker 11: make sure we were targeting those people that are the
29:23
Speaker 11: greatest risk to our victims, really focusing on perpetrator accountability.
29:28
Speaker 11: We established Operation Amarok where we targeted those offenders and
29:32
Speaker 11: we had about twenty five hundred arrests over the first
29:34
Speaker 11: five operations, so significant impact.
29:37
Speaker 3: And yet this is still the biggest category of crime.
29:39
Speaker 2: I understand it counts for about sixty percent of police resourcing.
29:44
Speaker 3: How do you plan to tackle this now?
29:46
Speaker 1: I think internally the focus needs to remain on it.
29:49
Speaker 11: The silent crimes, be they domestic and family violence or
29:52
Speaker 11: sexual violence, have proven the most intractable. They are the
29:55
Speaker 11: most challenging for any police force. There The only way
29:58
Speaker 11: to deal with them is to have a concerted effort
30:00
Speaker 11: to get there. One of the key things for me
30:02
Speaker 11: is to support our officers, so where there are administrative
30:05
Speaker 11: changes we can take to take that burden away from
30:07
Speaker 11: the police so they can be targeting perpetrators and supporting victims.
30:12
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to be focusing on.
30:13
Speaker 11: But importantly, domestic and family violence is not just a
30:16
Speaker 11: police matter. We need to work across government to make
30:19
Speaker 11: sure we're targeting from.
30:20
Speaker 3: All levels on organized crime.
30:22
Speaker 2: This is obviously in conjunction with the Australian Federal Police
30:26
Speaker 2: relations have quite severely broken down in recent times.
30:31
Speaker 3: Do you plan to get them back on track?
30:33
Speaker 1: Relationships are essential in our part of the world.
30:36
Speaker 11: We have demonstrated as a police force in New South
30:38
Speaker 11: Wales that we'll have outstanding success in targeting organized crime.
30:42
Speaker 11: The relationship with the Australian Federal Police is essential and
30:45
Speaker 11: together we work better.
30:47
Speaker 1: So one of my key priorities will be to work
30:49
Speaker 1: with Australian.
30:49
Speaker 11: Federal Police Commissioner re establish the relationship. It's not unusual
30:53
Speaker 11: for a relationship like this to break down, We've had
30:55
Speaker 11: examples of it before. It takes a concerted effort, but
30:58
Speaker 11: we know the community betterfit from it.
31:01
Speaker 2: You mentioned that it's a priority for you for Australians
31:04
Speaker 2: to feel unsafe, and you do enter this job at
31:06
Speaker 2: a difficult time. There's an antisemitism crisis in our country.
31:11
Speaker 2: You've said that you don't just want people to be safe,
31:14
Speaker 2: but to feel safe. Not just Jewish Australians, but many
31:18
Speaker 2: Australians don't feel safe in the heart of our city
31:21
Speaker 2: with aggressive pro Palestinian activists on a weekly basis, yelling
31:27
Speaker 2: hate slogans like Zionists are terrorists.
31:30
Speaker 3: What will you do about this?
31:32
Speaker 11: I think the community need to have the perception of safety,
31:35
Speaker 11: So it's not enough that we actually keep them safe.
31:37
Speaker 11: They need to see that the police are actually demonstrably
31:40
Speaker 11: supporting them. We've been really focused in New South Wales
31:44
Speaker 11: in making sure that we have supported the Jewish community.
31:47
Speaker 11: I was responsible for establishing Operation Shelter after the Harmos
31:50
Speaker 11: atrocities back in twenty twenty three. Very much a proactive
31:54
Speaker 11: and a reactive response, so we were very visible in
31:57
Speaker 11: the Eastern Suburbs community so that the entire communit unity
32:00
Speaker 11: could see that the police were president supporting them. We
32:03
Speaker 11: also investigated any matters that come forward because it's really
32:06
Speaker 11: important the community see that there are consequences for what happened.
32:09
Speaker 11: What was also important was to make sure for the
32:11
Speaker 11: purpose of social cohesion, we also work very closely with
32:15
Speaker 11: the Islamic community to know that we were supporting them
32:17
Speaker 11: as well, because we actually want that harmony. We don't
32:20
Speaker 11: want it to see a divisive divide across the city.
32:24
Speaker 2: So what will you do about the fact that many
32:26
Speaker 2: Australians don't feel safe with these hate slogans?
32:29
Speaker 3: We saw it on Bonde Beach recently.
32:31
Speaker 2: You know, family should be able to go to the
32:33
Speaker 2: beach in summer without coming face to face with this aggression.
32:36
Speaker 11: So police will take action where there's an offense committed,
32:39
Speaker 11: where it actually threatens safety, Where it is an action
32:42
Speaker 11: that actually takes place to probably threaten the way that people.
32:46
Speaker 1: Feel and it's against the law, we will take action.
32:49
Speaker 11: As a commissioner, I'm committed to actually elevating the way
32:52
Speaker 11: the police deal with community. So I want to work
32:54
Speaker 11: very personally with community leaders.
32:56
Speaker 1: As I have done before.
32:58
Speaker 11: I have an excellent relationship with Jewish boas of deputies,
33:00
Speaker 11: worked very closely in twenty twenty three and right through.
33:03
Speaker 1: It's important that leadership starts from the top.
33:06
Speaker 11: It's important that the community know that there is a
33:08
Speaker 11: commitment for the police force from the top to support them.
33:11
Speaker 2: Why should tax payers continue to spend millions of dollars
33:15
Speaker 2: on these weekly protests?
33:17
Speaker 11: Because protests are lawful unless a matter goes to court,
33:21
Speaker 11: a protest is actually lawful. What we need to do
33:24
Speaker 11: is to make sure exactly what you've seen there are
33:26
Speaker 11: not offences committed and the actual perception is that the
33:29
Speaker 11: police are going to ensure safety.
33:32
Speaker 1: So I think it's important for the community to do that.
33:34
Speaker 2: There have been two instances relating to your integrity that
33:38
Speaker 2: have come to light, of course, one in twenty twenty
33:40
Speaker 2: one in Goldburn, when there was an altercation with a paramedic.
33:44
Speaker 2: Was this just a verbal altercational? Was there any physical
33:48
Speaker 2: harm involved?
33:49
Speaker 1: No, I was argummenity if there was no physical harm involved.
33:52
Speaker 2: You've spoken about in the premiere as well giving second chances.
33:58
Speaker 2: Do you think if there was a verbal altercation which
34:03
Speaker 2: could be interpreted by police as a verbal assault, do
34:06
Speaker 2: you think members of the public should also be given
34:08
Speaker 2: a second chance in these scenarios.
34:11
Speaker 11: I think it's important that it's taken on a case
34:13
Speaker 11: by case basis.
34:14
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to understand the circumstances.
34:16
Speaker 11: I've been honest and I've owned what I did. I've
34:19
Speaker 11: said that it was unacceptable. I apologize to the ambulance
34:22
Speaker 11: officers at the first opportunity I can. I'm not saying
34:25
Speaker 11: it's acceptable, and what I'm saying is we need to
34:27
Speaker 11: look at these actions case by case.
34:29
Speaker 1: I've very much focused over the.
34:31
Speaker 11: Past four years in demonstrating through leadership of very significant
34:35
Speaker 11: things like the recovery of the Northern rivers, the work
34:38
Speaker 11: that I've done in metropolitan field operations then running the
34:40
Speaker 11: reconstruction Authority, that I'm a leader of integrity.
34:44
Speaker 2: You said at the press conference this morning that you
34:46
Speaker 2: have been mindful of your drinking.
34:49
Speaker 3: Have you given up alcohol?
34:51
Speaker 11: I think I said this morning, moderation is the key
34:54
Speaker 11: making sure that everything we do in terms of and
34:56
Speaker 11: certainly for myself, moderation is the key.
35:00
Speaker 2: In terms of the operational police voat in New Year's
35:03
Speaker 2: Eve that only came to light because you were clearly
35:07
Speaker 2: the front runner for this job. Are there any other
35:11
Speaker 2: incidents of integrity that you are worried about that could
35:14
Speaker 2: still come to light?
35:15
Speaker 1: Certainly, not that I'm aware of, but you.
35:17
Speaker 2: Would be aware of them surely if you had done
35:21
Speaker 2: anything wrong.
35:21
Speaker 11: So there are no matters that I'm concerned of as
35:23
Speaker 11: far as I'm concerned. Every matter we've spoken about and
35:27
Speaker 11: they've been investigated.
35:30
Speaker 3: So, as I said, this is obviously a political leak.
35:33
Speaker 2: If the perpetrator is identified, would you sack them?
35:37
Speaker 11: I think it's important probably to look forward, and I
35:39
Speaker 11: know people will draw conclusions.
35:40
Speaker 1: As to why that may have been complained about. I
35:43
Speaker 1: think the important part is that I've accepted that.
35:45
Speaker 11: In hindsight, I probably should have made a different decision
35:48
Speaker 11: in terms of taking friends on board. I've also been
35:51
Speaker 11: really clear that there was no impact on the operational capacity.
35:54
Speaker 3: For the operation that night, but any repercussions for the leaker.
35:57
Speaker 11: Well, I'm focused very much on creating a unified police
36:00
Speaker 11: That's what I'm looking for, That's what I want.
36:02
Speaker 1: It's really about setting a direction.
36:04
Speaker 11: And working together as one team. I think that's really
36:06
Speaker 11: the focus. We're a big organization. From time to time,
36:10
Speaker 11: people are going to say things. I think what's important
36:12
Speaker 11: is that you show leadership and work on creating a team.
36:16
Speaker 2: Do you think there has been this culture of canceling
36:18
Speaker 2: people too quickly.
36:21
Speaker 11: It's probably a difficult question. Again, I think we need
36:24
Speaker 11: to go through and look at how look at the
36:27
Speaker 11: actual individual circumstances and what's happened. I think I can
36:29
Speaker 11: only speak about this particular example and certainly say that
36:33
Speaker 11: I'm all focused on my own.
36:35
Speaker 1: Activities and what i want for the organization, and.
36:37
Speaker 11: I really want a positive, healthy culture in the organization.
36:41
Speaker 2: Just finally, you've been in the police force for close
36:44
Speaker 2: for decades, and I understand your daughter is now entering
36:48
Speaker 2: the police force, and you also found love within police I've.
36:52
Speaker 11: Been very fortunate and obviously I'm very proud that I
36:55
Speaker 11: have a daughter who is in the police force. It
36:57
Speaker 11: is a wonderful career. It's a career that I would
36:59
Speaker 11: encourage anyone to come to. And we're at to the
37:02
Speaker 11: stage where we want people to come to the police force.
37:05
Speaker 11: It's a great value it's a great value organization. It's
37:09
Speaker 11: a place where we encourage diversity, and it's a place
37:12
Speaker 11: where you have diversity of experience.
37:14
Speaker 1: Here you have that many opportunities in the police force.
37:16
Speaker 11: So obviously very proud to have a daughter in the
37:18
Speaker 11: police force, and obviously really keen that we encourage more
37:21
Speaker 11: people to come into the police force.
37:23
Speaker 2: All right, Commissioner, really appreciate your time. Thank you so much,
37:25
Speaker 2: and congratulations once.
37:26
Speaker 3: Again, thanks you.
37:27
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time.
37:30
Speaker 3: Right and still to calm esteem.
37:31
Speaker 2: Journalist Paul Kelly will be here to react to alban
37:34
Speaker 2: Ezi's corrupt recognition morally corrupt recognition of a Palestinian state.
37:38
Speaker 2: Paul Kelly up next, Welcome back.
37:45
Speaker 4: Well.
37:45
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's Palestinian recognition has been condemned as dangerous,
37:50
Speaker 2: implausible and shallow in substance by my next guest, the
37:54
Speaker 2: Australians Editor at Large, Paul Kelly, and he joins me.
37:58
Speaker 3: Now, Paul, thank you so much for your time.
38:01
Speaker 5: Very good to be with your Shari.
38:03
Speaker 2: Now you clearly articulate why you think Albanesi and others
38:08
Speaker 2: recognition of a Palestinian state at the United Nations is
38:12
Speaker 2: a terrible move.
38:14
Speaker 3: Why is this?
38:15
Speaker 5: I've called it a fraud, and the reason for that
38:17
Speaker 5: is the Prime Minister has been very clear saying that
38:20
Speaker 5: this action is predicated on a series of assumptions relating
38:23
Speaker 5: to the Palestinian Authority which represent a reversal of everything
38:28
Speaker 5: we've known about the Palestinian authority for the last couple
38:32
Speaker 5: of decades. So what is Anthony Albanesi's saying. He's saying
38:38
Speaker 5: that the Palestinian Authority will take responsibility in Gaza. It
38:41
Speaker 5: will take political responsibility in Gaza, that it will hold
38:45
Speaker 5: elections within twelve months, that Hamas will be disarmed, that
38:48
Speaker 5: ha Mass will have no future political role at all
38:52
Speaker 5: in Gaza, That a new Palestinian state will be demilitarized.
38:57
Speaker 5: That the Palestinian Authority will reform it said occasion system,
39:01
Speaker 5: it will eliminate the teaching of hatred towards Jews and Israel,
39:06
Speaker 5: that it will cease terrorist payments. Now, when you put
39:09
Speaker 5: all this together, you've got to ask yourself how credible
39:12
Speaker 5: is this? Now it might have been possible for Australia
39:16
Speaker 5: and other Western nations to hold out the prospect of
39:20
Speaker 5: recognition of a Palestinian state subject to conditions, subject to
39:26
Speaker 5: some of these conditions being realized. They deliberately decided not
39:31
Speaker 5: to do that. They've offered recognition upfront on the assumption
39:37
Speaker 5: that the Palestinians and the Palestinian authority will honor these commitments.
39:43
Speaker 5: These assumptions, I think that's highly improbable, and that's why
39:47
Speaker 5: I've argued that this is.
39:49
Speaker 2: Fraudulent indeed and commitments, as you say so, in fact,
39:54
Speaker 2: it is unconditional recognition. You right that this move leaves
39:59
Speaker 2: Albert and Pennywog exposed as willing fools in a diplomatic fraud.
40:06
Speaker 2: Has this damaged their standing, Well.
40:09
Speaker 5: We'll see what happens. I think immediately it hasn't damaged
40:13
Speaker 5: their standing because there's a degree of strong support within
40:18
Speaker 5: the center right, within the center left of Australian politics
40:22
Speaker 5: for what they've done, and of course, when it comes
40:25
Speaker 5: to the international community, they've moved in tandem with other
40:28
Speaker 5: Western democracies, so in that sense they've got a degree
40:32
Speaker 5: of political protection. The fundamental question is how will this
40:36
Speaker 5: play out? How will this decision be seen in six months,
40:41
Speaker 5: in twelve months, in eighteen months. And what I've argued
40:44
Speaker 5: is that Albanezi will get entangled in a web of
40:47
Speaker 5: his own making. I think this will lead to a
40:50
Speaker 5: lot of dangerous conditions, a lot of dangerous scenarios.
40:55
Speaker 2: The biggest deception among the list that you outlined is
40:59
Speaker 2: this sense that Albanezi insists Hamask can have no future
41:03
Speaker 2: role in the governing of Gaza. You know, he says
41:07
Speaker 2: that often enough, and yet he opposes Israel's military.
41:11
Speaker 3: Campaign to remove Hamas in Gaza.
41:14
Speaker 2: He's been arguing for a withdrawal for a very long
41:16
Speaker 2: time now.
41:17
Speaker 3: So the question is how is Hamas removed?
41:20
Speaker 5: Well, he says this all the time. He says that
41:23
Speaker 5: a mass will be removed, that a mass will be disarmed,
41:26
Speaker 5: it will have no future political role in Gaza. He
41:29
Speaker 5: says that this will lead to a cease fire. He
41:32
Speaker 5: says this will lead to the release of the hostages.
41:35
Speaker 5: How none of this has explained there is no credible
41:39
Speaker 5: pathway offered by the Australian government in terms of sorting
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Speaker 5: out how these objectives are to be realized. This is
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Speaker 5: an expression of hope. And essentially what we see here
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Speaker 5: is I think we see politicians doing what they've wanted
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Speaker 5: to do for a long period of time. They've wanted
41:58
Speaker 5: to recognize a Palestinian state. They say that the Palestinian
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Speaker 5: people deserve this, and in many ways I think that's correct.
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Speaker 5: But essentially what they've done is they offer all these
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Speaker 5: justifications for it, which I think are completely untenable.
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Speaker 2: And the issue is, and I thought this was a
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Speaker 2: very good point in your column, that the albin Easy
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Speaker 2: government and others are treating Israel as if it's the
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Speaker 2: obstacle to peace, when in fact, in my strong view anyway,
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Speaker 2: it is not the obstacle to peace. It is Hamas
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Speaker 2: that started the war, could have returned the hostages at
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Speaker 2: any point and could stop its campaign of terrorism well a.
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Speaker 5: Number of years ago. Of course, the idea of Palestinian
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Speaker 5: recognition was to come at the end of the peace process.
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Speaker 5: It was supposed to come when the two state solution
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Speaker 5: was sealed, if you like, as a reward for what
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Speaker 5: the Palestinians had done in terms of their acceptance of
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Speaker 5: Israel's right to exist. Now we've seen a complete reversal,
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Speaker 5: and essentially what's happening is recognition of a Palestinian state
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Speaker 5: is being used as a device, as an instrument to
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Speaker 5: try to intimidate Israel into negotiating.
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Speaker 3: Now, I think that I've argued Adagna, well.
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Speaker 5: Exactly, but one of the points I've argued, I think
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Speaker 5: the key figure here is in fact Benjamin Netnia, who,
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Speaker 5: because he won't negotiate with the Palestinians, he's made it
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Speaker 5: absolutely clear that he opposes a two state solution. He
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Speaker 5: has this vision of a greater Israel. Now I think
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Speaker 5: this is not in the interests of Israel, it's not
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Speaker 5: in the interests of the Palestinians, and clearly the international
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Speaker 5: community are not going to accept it. So I think
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Speaker 5: there's a fundamental problem here when it comes to the
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Speaker 5: stance that Netnia, who has taken.
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Speaker 2: I do have, which I've expressed often enough, a different
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Speaker 2: view from you on Israeli prime minister, and I do
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Speaker 2: think there is a long tradition of Israeli prime ministers
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Speaker 2: being hated by the international community, and as you know,
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Speaker 2: Golda Meir once said, if we have a choice between
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Speaker 2: being dead and pitied and being alive with a bad image,
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Speaker 2: we'd rather be alive and have the bad image. But
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Speaker 2: of course I do accept his controversial internationally and within Israel.
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Speaker 2: But either way, the point is that Israel hasn't been
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Speaker 2: the obstacle to peace, and you can't have recognition when
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Speaker 2: hostages are being held in Terrorism is still the main aim.
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Speaker 3: Of hamas well.
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Speaker 5: All that's true to a certain extent, But I guess
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Speaker 5: the point i'd make is that in years gone by,
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Speaker 5: various Israeli leaders were committed to a two state solution,
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Speaker 5: and we had very substantial negotiations, negotiations presided over by
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Speaker 5: President Clinton that came to the brink of a peace settlement.
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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, the Palestinians were not
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Speaker 5: in that. They were not prepared to sign up to
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Speaker 5: that if that walked away. But essentially essentially we've had,
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Speaker 5: if you like, the center of Israeli politics was still
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Speaker 5: committed to a two state solution. That's over now. That's
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Speaker 5: over now, and I think that does create really substantial
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Speaker 5: problems for the region and for Israel as well, I.
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Speaker 2: Think October seven changed a lot of that. Most Israelis
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Speaker 2: naturally prioritize security.
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Speaker 5: I think that's right. And I think the great paradox
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Speaker 5: of this situation is the rest of the world is
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Speaker 5: saying we want a two state solution, but the two
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Speaker 5: state solution involves Israelis and Palestinians, and support for a
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Speaker 5: two stage solution among both sides at the moment is
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Speaker 5: exceptionally low.
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Speaker 3: Well, and just to point out, not just on Israel,
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Speaker 3: but of course.
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Speaker 2: Many Palestinians and particularly Hamas would not only not recognize
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Speaker 2: Israel's right to exist, you know, from the river to
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Speaker 2: the sea and all of that, but the actual doctrine
45:47
Speaker 2: is a genocide. Hamas's doctrine is a genocide produce, of course.
45:52
Speaker 2: Except Paul Kelly, such a delight and honor as always
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Speaker 2: to have you on the program.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 5: Great to be with your sharing.
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Speaker 3: All right, still to come.
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Speaker 2: Chris bow And acts like a hero at the United
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Speaker 2: Nations before his message is obliterated by trumpet. Michael McCormack
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Speaker 2: would join me next.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen yesterday took to the world stage at the
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Speaker 2: United Nations attacking climate change deniers and boasting that Australia
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Speaker 2: is leading the clean energy revolution.
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Speaker 6: Have a look, climate denial is still with us, but
46:29
Speaker 6: it takes new forms. All too hard is and this
46:31
Speaker 6: is all too hard.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is National ZMP and former Deputy Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Michael McCormack. Michael, good to see you now in
46:41
Speaker 2: typical Chris bowl in fashion. Do you think he could
46:44
Speaker 2: have further damaged the Australia America relationship given the blasting
46:49
Speaker 2: from Donald Trump on climate change just a day later, I'll.
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Speaker 12: Here he is on the world stage selling out Australia,
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Speaker 12: absolutely selling out, are you? He talks about it being
47:02
Speaker 12: cheap politics when you oppose anything that he says, it's
47:06
Speaker 12: not cheap politics for households and businesses which are paying
47:09
Speaker 12: thirty nine percent more on their energy bills under his watch.
47:13
Speaker 12: And indeed he's one of these followers of Simon Steel
47:17
Speaker 12: the un climates are who says that in the future
47:21
Speaker 12: vegetables and fruit are going to be a once inny
47:24
Speaker 12: treat He presents a doomsday report just in timeliness for
47:29
Speaker 12: his sixty two to seventy percent emission reductions to say
47:35
Speaker 12: the weather events once in a century.
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Speaker 1: Are now going to be once in a fortnight.
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Speaker 12: I mean, this is just ridiculous. This is just ridiculous.
47:44
Speaker 12: And then him and Kevin Rudd are hugging it out
47:46
Speaker 12: with Gavin Newsom at a time when they're trying to
47:49
Speaker 12: get a meeting. Anthony Alberize's just secured a meeting with
47:52
Speaker 12: Donald Trump. What's this going to say to the US President?
47:56
Speaker 12: I mean it's almost like poking the bear, deliberately provocative
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Speaker 12: to our greatest friend and ally, the United States of America.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and security meeting, just like Albanez, he had secured
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Speaker 2: one on this trip, but it didn't happen. You know,
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Speaker 2: the government isn't being the government is being accused of
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Speaker 2: hiding detail about how it's going to achieve at sixty
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Speaker 2: two to seventy percent target. Do you think this is
48:22
Speaker 2: a bit like the Voice when the government is gambling
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Speaker 2: that Australians won't look too closely at what's going on
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Speaker 2: here at the fine.
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Speaker 12: Print, Cherry, there's no accountability, there's no transparency. There's a
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Speaker 12: proponent of a wind turbine project between By Andlong and Bounding,
48:41
Speaker 12: which has just been put on hold because this company
48:45
Speaker 12: hadn't paid its debts. For eight years in the United Kingdom.
48:48
Speaker 12: Where's the government accountability over this company? And here we
48:51
Speaker 12: have Chris Bowen selling out Australia, wooing cashed up investors
48:55
Speaker 12: to come and invest in Australia in green energy projects.
48:58
Speaker 12: What do you any accountability and transparency as they're going
49:02
Speaker 12: to be over those particular overseas companies. And when they
49:06
Speaker 12: do put in all these projects which will make the countryside,
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Speaker 12: particularly my electorate of the River and it look like
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Speaker 12: an industrial junkyard as the Aas Valley Manage Jones correctly
49:15
Speaker 12: points out what happens when all of those turbines go bunk?
49:20
Speaker 12: What happens when they don't work as they're not doing
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Speaker 12: in Crookwall where they're having diesel generator backups because the
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Speaker 12: sixty percent of the state's green energy projects aren't supplying
49:32
Speaker 12: the necessary power to that community. I mean, this is
49:35
Speaker 12: just bunker. This is just absolute selling Australia out on
49:39
Speaker 12: the world stage. Typical Chris Boalon, worst immigration minister we
49:43
Speaker 12: ever had. Don't ever forget all of those boats, eight
49:46
Speaker 12: hundred of them bringing in fifty thousand illegal maritime arrivals
49:50
Speaker 12: to Australia. Now is in charge climate action.
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Speaker 1: My goodness, what hard have we got?
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Speaker 2: And okay, Michael mcclimack, a pleasure to have you on,
49:58
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: Now still to come.
50:00
Speaker 2: Should the opt to CEO keep his job after the
50:03
Speaker 2: human errors cost lives?
50:06
Speaker 3: That's next.
50:10
Speaker 2: The optis Chief Executive Stephen Rue, apologized again for the
50:14
Speaker 2: TRIPLEO failure, which has been linked to the deaths of
50:17
Speaker 2: four people. Now Australians have placed their trust in Optus.
50:21
Speaker 2: They pay a lot of money and the least they
50:23
Speaker 2: should expect is to be connected to triplo where out
50:27
Speaker 2: of time, I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's
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Speaker 2: Paul Mari