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121. [Virginia] William "Bill" McGuire · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Mess with the Truth
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  Speaker 1: all right, we're back this week and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to Virginia, which the case. The body was found in Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: That's why this one counts, however it might eventually. I've
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  Speaker 1: learned it did originate in Jersey, our favorite, so it
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  Speaker 1: is still technically partially Southern. But I've already written it.
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  Speaker 1: So you know here, we are here, we are all right,
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  Speaker 1: So we're back. I've been following my chronicles. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to start to a sour dough starter. So today's day six.
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  Speaker 2: We did have sour dough bread today from HB.
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  Speaker 1: They scooked it from scratches, baked from scratches, what it said.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to do that. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing it right. I feel like I've gotten some
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  Speaker 1: rise out of it. I mean usually the only rise
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  Speaker 1: we get around here is Stu getting one out of
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  Speaker 1: me when I'm mad at him.
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  Speaker 2: I've been hitting no hitter today.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean no hitter?
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  Speaker 2: I've just been pitching all strikes on you.
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  Speaker 1: Today, just oh to get a rise out of me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm just a perfect game today.
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  Speaker 1: No, because I'm telling you, I'm just I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Some days I'm like everything's fine, everything, and then today's
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  Speaker 1: like today, which you lucky you guys can get me
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  Speaker 1: recording on this day. I'm just like a mood. I
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  Speaker 1: just to go lay down to bed and watch a
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  Speaker 1: movie and be left alone. Yeah. I don't even need
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  Speaker 1: to be alone, like the children can be in there
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  Speaker 1: with me. I just want to lay in bed and
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  Speaker 1: watch a movie. But alas we persevere, we record a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to take them swimming later. I'm working on
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  Speaker 1: my sour doughs. I'm on day six where we we
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  Speaker 1: feed it, we feed it, we have to name it.
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  Speaker 1: We feed it twice a day now and then I
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  Speaker 1: go back to work in the morning, and the cycle continues. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: what why are you looking at me like that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, theycle continues.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just today, like I was in a better
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  Speaker 1: mood yesterday, and I was in a better mood when
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  Speaker 1: I first woke up this morning, and then I talked
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  Speaker 1: to stew and now here I am. So anyways, all right,
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  Speaker 1: well let's go ahead. Thanks to all of our patreons.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate you. The bias of coffee we have, our
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  Speaker 1: And then let me think. Oh, our book club pick
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  Speaker 1: this month is Winter Garden by Kristin Hannah. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to catch up, it's a it's really good. I'm
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  Speaker 1: about halfway through, I think. And then is that all? Stue?
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  Speaker 2: It's all I got? Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, let's do this. Just just a joy to
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  Speaker 1: be around. So all right, our case, I'll perk up,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry. Our case out of Virginia slash New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: William Theodore Bill McGuire, So he goes by. Bill was
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  Speaker 1: born September twenty first, nineteen sixty four, in the Bronx,
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  Speaker 1: New York, to William and Ruth McGuire. Bill would go
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  Speaker 1: on to serve in the Navy. Now in the late nineties,
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  Speaker 1: Bill would meet Melanie Slate. Now, Melanie was a very
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  Speaker 1: smart woman. She was graduating second in her class at
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  Speaker 1: nursing school. And then she would go on to work
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  Speaker 1: at one of the top fertility clinics in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Bill and Melanie were married in nineteen ninety nine and
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  Speaker 1: they would end up having two sons. Bill and Melanie
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  Speaker 1: created a very nice life for themselves because Melanie was
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  Speaker 1: working as a nurse, so she was making a good income,
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  Speaker 1: and then Bill was working as a computer programmer living
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  Speaker 1: in Woodbridge Township, New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: That a nice place.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's doue. No, all right, it is Woodbridge,
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  Speaker 1: New Township, New Jersey. Nice. It sounds nice.
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  Speaker 2: I'll put it in the comment secion, I will not
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  Speaker 2: look it up. On May fifth, two thousand and four,
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  Speaker 2: two fishermen and their children were boating in the Chesapeake Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is in Virginia by the bridge.
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  Speaker 1: Again in Virginia, because this is a Southern true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And we would never dare push the boundaries of such thing. No,
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  Speaker 2: so anyway, they see a medium sized suitcase floating and
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  Speaker 2: they think maybe it's somebody's luggage, possibly there's something of
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  Speaker 2: value inside. They pull the suitcase up into the boat
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  Speaker 2: and unzip it. To their horror, they see some human legs.
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  Speaker 2: They immediately call police, who arrive at the scene and
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  Speaker 2: take the suitcase into their custody. Now with only legs,
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  Speaker 2: they had no identification of the person. Authorities look for
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  Speaker 2: missing persons in the area, any reports of any such thing,
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  Speaker 2: but there was no luck. They had their next big
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  Speaker 2: break less than a week later, when on May eleventh,
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  Speaker 2: a graduate student was cleaning up litter on Fisherman Island
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  Speaker 2: National wild Refuge.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he gets for volunteerings.
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  Speaker 2: Do I wonder if we can go up there and
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  Speaker 2: get some passport stamps for a passport since it's a
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  Speaker 2: national wildlife refuge.
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  Speaker 1: Where he found more body parts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not for that, you know. I just like collecting
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  Speaker 2: my little stamps on my passport books.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I know how we drive, how we
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  Speaker 1: drive very far out of our way just to get
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  Speaker 1: a stamp on your national park.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen some interesting things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I've seen some interesting things too.
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  Speaker 2: We'll save that for after the podcast. Okay, This wild
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  Speaker 2: real life refuge is located in Northampton County.
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  Speaker 1: Virginia, again Virginia in the south.
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  Speaker 2: He picks up a large suitcase that had washed ashore.
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  Speaker 2: Inside the suitcase is a head, torso and some hands.
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  Speaker 2: The head has one bullet wound and the torso had
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  Speaker 2: two to the chest. That's the way we're taught to
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  Speaker 2: shoot two in the chest, one in the head.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, double tap, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: One in the head. Now, as they're working to identify
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  Speaker 2: the victim, they now have the head and they can
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  Speaker 2: work on a sketch. Now, the final piece of the
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  Speaker 2: puzzle washes up near the shore back near Chesapeake Bay Bridge.
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  Speaker 1: As you can imagine, this was a red flag to
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  Speaker 1: me right away because we found the medium suitcase. Then
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  Speaker 1: we found the large suitcase. So if we're buying a
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  Speaker 1: luggage set, there's one more suitcase, the small carry on.
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  Speaker 2: This caused you anxiety, is what you're saying. Why But
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  Speaker 2: you didn't know if the set was going to be
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  Speaker 2: matched back up.
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  Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying is that this is this should
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  Speaker 1: tell investigators right now that this is a organized person
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  Speaker 1: like this is not this is not a crime mob situation.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have matching luggage the full set. This is
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  Speaker 1: like we have matching luggage the full set. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it's the criminal masterminds or people
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  Speaker 1: that are like super sketchy do not have matching that
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  Speaker 1: are into crime or not in matching. Do not have
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  Speaker 1: the matching.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have the medium in large check plus the
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  Speaker 2: carry on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have the full set that matches. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying that's what that should be right there. Point
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  Speaker 1: them and say, okay, this is someone like a normal person.
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  Speaker 2: So they got there. So is there more than three pieces?
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  Speaker 2: Do we know yet?
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  Speaker 1: No, there's just three pieces.
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  Speaker 2: Said one they got from Amazon. So they didn't get
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  Speaker 2: the weekender and all the other stuff to go with it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we don't know there was any more body parts
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  Speaker 1: I guess to put in them. They might have them,
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  Speaker 1: but they're back at their house.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to say is that if you
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  Speaker 1: are a criminal that just living, you know, day to day,
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  Speaker 1: you do not have a matching set of luggage. But
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  Speaker 1: if you're like a person that goes to you know,
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  Speaker 1: Disney World, you might have a matching set of luggage.
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  Speaker 2: Criminals don't go to Disney World. No, I think you're wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but I'll let it slide for now. Yes. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: the small suitcase does turn up and it contains the arms. Now,
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  Speaker 2: all the body parts were wrapped in black trash bags.
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  Speaker 2: The head was wrapped in a white sheet with a
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  Speaker 2: tag that said h CSC whatever that means.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not later. We will find out later. And
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  Speaker 1: it's a tag, not like an like an embroidered name.
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  Speaker 1: If that was it, then it would definitely be like
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  Speaker 1: there'd be the culprit would have been some twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: year old southern lady if it had the initials embroidered.
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  Speaker 1: You think they're big on that down here, Stu.
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  Speaker 2: Well, all the trash bags were held together with blue
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  Speaker 2: painter's tape, so it looks like they went down to Low's,
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  Speaker 2: got them some trash bags, some painters tape, and then
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  Speaker 2: went next door to Walmart got them a three piece
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  Speaker 2: luggage set. I don't think that.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is all items found within their own Stu.
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  Speaker 1: That's the point.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe that's where they got the all right.
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  Speaker 1: So Stu obviously has not read through this case.
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  Speaker 2: You're acting like it's my first time hearing this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. Police initially release a description to try and get
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  Speaker 1: an ID, but it was like a pretty nondescript at
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  Speaker 1: this point. They, I mean, all they knew that he
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  Speaker 1: was as a white male. He was medium billed, He
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  Speaker 1: had like a military style haircut, no tattoos or distinguishing
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  Speaker 1: scars that they could put out. They performed an autopsy
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  Speaker 1: and determined that the cause of death was the gunshot
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  Speaker 1: wound to his head and the two to his chest.
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  Speaker 1: Two thirty eight caliber bullet casings were recovered from the
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  Speaker 1: victim's torso they did not where the body was dismembered.
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  Speaker 1: They were very like clean cut, so possibly someone with
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  Speaker 1: medical training or maybe I don't know, hunting. Maybe they
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  Speaker 1: know how to solve things better. I don't know. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a hunter. Neither is. We're not hunting family.
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  Speaker 2: We have no hobbies, only in the meat section at
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  Speaker 2: the store.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have no hobbies.
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  Speaker 2: This is our hobby.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's sad. So it looked like someone with
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  Speaker 1: like real clean cuts, medical training something in that those lines.
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  Speaker 1: They pulled the DNA from the body parts from all
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  Speaker 1: the separate suitcases because they needed to. I mean, they
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  Speaker 1: do have to, just for it's obviously the same person,
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  Speaker 1: but for legal reasons they need to test the DNA
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  Speaker 1: for each out of each suitcase and make sure all
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  Speaker 1: the body parts belong to the same person. I guess
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  Speaker 1: two people could have got murdered at the same time
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  Speaker 1: and then they.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you got legs, they could belong
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  Speaker 2: to somebody else. Yeah, even though they're coming in the
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  Speaker 2: matching luggage. Yeah, could have been a couple.
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  Speaker 1: So so anyways, they test all that DNA. It is
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  Speaker 1: all of the same person. All the body parts belong
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  Speaker 1: to the same person. Now, while they're doing this, they
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  Speaker 1: do we're able to get a sketch of the victim
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  Speaker 1: to go along with that description, and they release that
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  Speaker 1: to the public, hoping that someone would come forward with
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  Speaker 1: an identification. And it was a pretty crude sketch, I
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  Speaker 1: would say, because they got the face and I mean
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  Speaker 1: his head had been cut off and there was some
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  Speaker 1: you know, decomposition. But they were the sketch artist was
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  Speaker 1: able to come up with some a rendering.
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  Speaker 2: Please continue to look at the evidence that was provided
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  Speaker 2: at the crime scene, and it appeared that whoever disposed
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  Speaker 2: of the man in the bay did not expect him
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  Speaker 2: to pop back up to the surface. I wouldn't think
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  Speaker 2: you would. If you sank somebody, he wouldn't expect him
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  Speaker 2: to pop back up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But they didn't sink them with any type of
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  Speaker 1: weights or anything. There was no weight, nothing weighted in
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  Speaker 1: the bag. It was just the person. Yeah, so I
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  Speaker 1: would they thought that the weight of the person, because
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  Speaker 1: initially it did sink because of the weight of the person. However,
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  Speaker 1: with the decomposition and the gases, it became buoyant and
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  Speaker 1: it popped up.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so it was this person that would not expect
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  Speaker 2: somebody to be gassy after they were dead.
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  Speaker 1: I know. But what I'm you just said they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: expect them to pop back up if they sank them
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  Speaker 1: into the bottom of the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, who would throw a body into the ocean
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  Speaker 2: and be like, it's not gonna pop back, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: pop back up.
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  Speaker 1: Have they not watched any true crime anything?
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  Speaker 2: Or evidently they haven't, because they would have known this
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  Speaker 2: that the body would pop back up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is anybody throws a body in the water,
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  Speaker 2: are they expecting them to pop back up?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it happens all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But are you expecting it if you're the criminal mastermind
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  Speaker 2: throwing the.
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  Speaker 1: Body, Because you're not a mastermind.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna sink and I'll never I don't expect it
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  Speaker 2: to pop.
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  Speaker 1: Back No, I would have thought that through. That's stupid,
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so whoever throws a body in the water is
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  Speaker 2: not expecting it to pop back up.
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  Speaker 1: They shouldn't have thrown it in the well. Everything washes
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  Speaker 1: up to shore anyways, even when you throw a body
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  Speaker 1: in there, even if they're not in a suitcase, it
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  Speaker 1: washes up on shore. Normally you would have to take
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  Speaker 1: it very far out to never see it again.
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  Speaker 2: Shark infested water, yes, just like taking somebody in Louisiana
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  Speaker 2: or the gator farm.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, police were able to determine that the sheet wrapped
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  Speaker 2: around his head came from a hospital. The company hc
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  Speaker 2: SC was a provider of hospital and doctor's office bed linens,
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  Speaker 2: so this leaned into the fact that the person who
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  Speaker 2: did this had some sort of medical ties.
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  Speaker 1: But not an understanding of how decomposition works.
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  Speaker 2: Evidently not.
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  Speaker 1: And the gases released from a body, okay they What
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  Speaker 1: they should have done is taken the suitcases and then
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  Speaker 1: poked holes in the suitcase, so then.
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  Speaker 2: The gases would have escaped.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, without it floating. However, I still think it would
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  Speaker 1: have washed up on the shore, just like the suitcases
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  Speaker 1: did worship on the shore.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if the gases were held within the body too,
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  Speaker 2: it might have.
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  Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, it would have just been held within
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  Speaker 1: the body. That's great, correct too, Yep, I would have
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  Speaker 1: got caught.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, there you go. I didn't expect it to pop
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  Speaker 2: back up because I.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, four weeks after the body is is
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  Speaker 1: first discovered, police received their first big break when a
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  Speaker 1: woman called in saying that she believed that she knew
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  Speaker 1: who that man was in the sketch that they released,
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  Speaker 1: and that he had served on a navy base with
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  Speaker 1: them in Virginia. The man's name was William McGuire, but
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  Speaker 1: he went by Bill. Police ran his fingerprints and it
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  Speaker 1: was a match. Now, Bill was thirty nine years old
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  Speaker 1: at the time of his death. Please find out that
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  Speaker 1: Bill's last address was actually in New Jersey, not Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: in the South Steward. They also learned, to their surprise,
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  Speaker 1: that he has a wife and two small children. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind, this man has been floating, has been
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  Speaker 1: was floating around for how many ever weeks before then,
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  Speaker 1: It's been four weeks that since they found it, and
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  Speaker 1: nobody said a thing about it. Is You would expect
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  Speaker 1: that the man to be either like a have no
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  Speaker 1: family or live like a secluded life or something like
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  Speaker 1: that that nobody's come forward to me, like, where's where's
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  Speaker 1: my husband, where's baby daddy? I need him to come
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  Speaker 1: take these damn children.
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  Speaker 2: I need to get out of this house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They immediately contact Bill's wife, Melanie, and she tells
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  Speaker 1: Plice that police that she did not report him as
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  Speaker 1: missing because the last time that she had seen him,
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  Speaker 1: they had gotten into this huge fight and he'd actually
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  Speaker 1: gotten physical with her and then he storms out of
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  Speaker 1: the house and he's saying, you will never see me again.
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  Speaker 1: And so the next day she actually, instead of reporting
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  Speaker 1: him missing or wondering where he's at, she's actually filing
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  Speaker 1: a restraining order against him. She told police that she
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  Speaker 1: just thought that he decided to leave town and he
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  Speaker 1: was done with her and she was just happy to
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  Speaker 1: be rid of him. So she's not going out looking
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  Speaker 1: for him. She's trying to get him as far away
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  Speaker 1: from her as possible. So they asked Melanie if anyone
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  Speaker 1: want Melanie, if anybody would want to hurt Bill, and
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  Speaker 1: she says no. She did mention though, that he was
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: big into gambling out in Atlantic City or ac as
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  Speaker 1: the locals call its do and the mob might have
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  Speaker 1: got him, yes, but That's where my theory on the suitcases.
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  Speaker 1: The mob does not have matching suitcases.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Oh Guido went down to the Walmart
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  Speaker 2: bottom matching set that disposed of the body. No, He's like,
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  Speaker 2: I just needed one suitcase. But whoso here's a matching set.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, just some random name of.
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  Speaker 1: Some dude, an Italian dude. So you're gonna go into.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: That Atlantic city.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, maybe they made an whole movie called Scarface on it.
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  Speaker 1: I guess so. The Italian mob, although I've seen more
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: like the the is it? The Irish mob is pretty bad.
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  Speaker 2: I don't follow the mobs.
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  Speaker 1: What was that movie starts with the d someone knows it.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: It's got Matt Damon in it maybe, And I think
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that's like the Irish Mob. It's pretty rough out there, Stu.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So don't mess with the Irish. Okay, Okay.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: The police, this was their first real big lead. They
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: got the body identifying, they talked to the Why now
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: they're going with the possibility that Bill had some gambling
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: debts and he couldn't make good on him and someone
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: came to.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Collect well because the song of the body and chopping
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: out like the chopping ups of the body does feel
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: very mob like a hit.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, an assassin.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty gruesome way to dispose of somebody.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Police search the casinos out in Atlantic City and they
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: come across Bill's car at the Flamingo Hotel.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: It was actually a motel, but motel, Oh yeah, you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: lose a lot of amenities.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Go for an h tow and m you do please
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: bring the car in for processing and they find a
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: small bal of pink liquid and a syringe in the
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: glove box. They send this off for testing. They also
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: vacuum the floorboards of the vehicle for testing and they
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: get some small particles and hairs. The material on the
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: driver's side floorboard came back as small pieces of flesh.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: You forensic scientists called this human sawdust, and it is
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: exactly what it sounds like. Basically, what happens is whenever
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a body is being sawed apart, the small the skin cells,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: they flake off into like little small particles, kind of
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: like when you're cutting wood. Basically, now, those skin particles
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: fell on the ground and whoever cut Bill up stepped
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: on those skin cells and transferred them into the car
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: when they got in and they drove it. This confirmed
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a police that Bill was already dead when his car
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: was left at the motel, so whoever was driving that
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: car was their prime suspect in the murder case.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the video was pretty it was black and white,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and then it was rain, yeah, and then it was nighttime.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: The cars kind of far away, and then the course
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: like headlights are blinding the camera. So they know nothing
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: they could do could pull the image of the person
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that actually dropped the car off. So they speak to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the casinos that Bill frequented and learned that he was
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: actually a pretty responsible gamblers doom and while he liked gambling,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: he was actually not in debt to anyone, so he
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: knew when to pull back, He knew when to not
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: overspend his winnings things.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Like that, so he knew when to hold.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Them and when to fold them. Yes, so he was
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: actually he'd actually just recently won a thirty thousand dollars jackpot,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: so and that was all his money. He didn't have
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: to give it to anybody because he was not in debt. Now,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: this rolled out the theory that he was in massive
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: gambling debt and that someone wanted to kill him because
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: he could not make good on that debt. Police interview
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: friends and family, and they described Bill as loyal and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: fun to be around. He was just kind of a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: normal guy living with his wife and two young children.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So nothing is standing out to them as to why
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Bill was killed in such a gruesome way. The only
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: contradicting thing they have is Melanie saying that he was
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: physical with her that night and she had to file
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a restraining order. But I think you can file restraining
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: order and you don't hardly have to prove anything, do
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you would you know about such things? Do? Anyways? Sue
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: has not had a restraining order filed upon him. Why
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: are you looking at me like that? What? All right?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I might need to get a restraining order now that
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I know, you don't actually have to prove anything. So
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know what who's telling the truth.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: We got Melanie saying this, We've got the family saying this.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: She's the one that brought up the gambling. Turns out
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily true. It's very confusing to police.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: What you would you define that as possibly sketchy?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Sketchy, yes, sketchy behavior as a legal term. So they
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: start looking more into his family life to see if
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they can, you know, unbury any secrets there or something
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: else going on, because everything seemed fine on the picked
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: on the surface, however, we do have the restraining orders.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: That's bite of a red flag. So his wife was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a very respected fertility nurse. Like we said, everyone liked
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: her there. She was described as loving to her family,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: great person all around. Police did did find out that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a gun was purchased and it was a thirty eight
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: caliber and this gun was purchased by Melody just recently,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: so we'll sketchy there.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she has it in a lock box in
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: the house and Plase can look at it and find
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: out that it wasn't used in the murder.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, so please ask her about the gun, and she
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: said that Bill told her to purchase it for extra
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: protection when they moved to their new house, because the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: day that Bill went missing, they actually had put a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: down payment on a house and then like that day
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that is what had happened. A big chunk of that
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: probably thirty thousand dollars. He just went into a house
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: because they were they were living in an apartment and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: they were trying to His goal was.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: To have got a big chunk of money down on
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the house. Yeah, had a fight, he left, and then
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: she restrain in order. Yes, okay, so in that order,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yes. So his goal was to own a home before
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: he turned forty, so he was thirty nine, he was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: getting there and he wanted to own a home. So
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: this was a huge step for their family. So this
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: again seemed odd to Stu, as did it to police,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: as Melanie just said Bill was abusive and had refiled
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a restraining order. So it's like, why are we buying
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a house? But again, if you are an abusive relationship,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you might be doing something just to make that person
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: happy so that they don't purchase, yes, abuse you, So
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: this could be the reason why.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm here in Midland now.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Although Melody on the surface does not seem like a killer,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: she does seem suspicious. I heard that Stewart, She does
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: seem suspicious. You know what the thing is is, I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to be in Midland any more than Stu
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: wants to be in Midland. But for my career to progress,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I need to move to Midland. But I've already we've
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: already been in talks with the exit plan. We the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: company I went for it does not keep you out
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: here for long. If you don't want to be out here,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: they got other places and things for you to do.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So in three years, Oh yeah, I don't think, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I think we we've been here. I've been in that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: role for almost a year now, so we've been here
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: about nine months, I guess. But I would say that
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: where I work, at two years, you can get out,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like if you really push. So I might have another
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: year a year and a half in this role, So
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that means we have maybe another we'll live here about
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: two years, probably because I hate our neighborhood, but it's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it's not it's a nice okay, it's like Melanie, it's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: nice on the surface, but if you really live here
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: for a while, you're like, this is it's all acid
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: we got? We didn't realize. I don't know. Did we
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: mention this last time on the podcast? Probably not. So
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: we we have new people next door, and we didn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: realize when we moved in here that was a rent house.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And so now we have new renters next door. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: what they brought their dog and he wants to come
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: through the fence and meet us, and I'm sure he
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: whenever they have people over there, and the dog is
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: interacting with those people. He's very nice and everything like that,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: but he is very aggressive towards us through the fence.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I'll just say that. However, at least we're lucky enough
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that they actually some people. Yeah, some people have dogs
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood that I see in the neighborhood group.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: They complain the dogs bark twenty four to seven. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: can't even imagine. They're just I mean, I feel sorry
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: for the dogs. The dogs are obviously unhappy, but I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: can't even imagine having a dog that barks twenty four
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to seven next to you. And apparently they've tried, like
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to do things about it. There's nothing you could do.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Our homeowners association is is bullshit. Unless you got a weed,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: trust me, they're gonna come by and like put a note.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: But the pools in the so we have like community pools,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and they're supposed to pay for like people to monitor
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: them and stuff. And so instead of paying for them
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to monitor them, because now they've gone like to hell,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: people bring their dogs just like someone pooped it. There's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: like kids climbing in there from not in the neighborhood. Anyways,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it's a disaster, we don't. Thankfully we have a pool
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: so we don't have to partake. But honestly, like when
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I was picking out a neighborhood, I'd never lived in
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: neighborhood with the community pause, like, oh, let's get let's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that'd be nice to have. So glad, glad we weren't
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: depending on that because that's not a possibility here. So anyway,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: so then they're supposed to be paid. So part of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: our dues do is that they pay for someone to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: monitor the pool while it's open. Well, they posted in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the Facebook group asking for volunteers to come monitor the pool.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So they everyone's like, well, what about that money that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: we supposedly pay for this, So then they had to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: retract that, and then they came back and offered to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: pay people ten dollars an hour to go to go
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: monitor the pool. And apparently after they offered money for it,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it kind of people called to offer to or try
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to do that, and it went nowhere. So they don't
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: give a fuck. Stewart, This is a d R Horton neighborhood.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, don't move into one of those houses.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: All right, So we're back to where were we at?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I went on a rant.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: You did you just it was wild?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Were what do you mean it was wild?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just talking about moving to Midland
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: next thing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: You know? You oh because I said that, Because yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: because I said we were moving. And then I then
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I got into how I really feel about like the neighborhood.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So we love our house, we do. It's just now
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like the neighborhood's closing in on us quickly.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And then we got all these dumb asses with their
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: loud cars out there.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got coffee cans from mufflers. It's just terrible.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to prove something, all right, I think it's
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: your turn, student.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: No, I think you ought to keep on going.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: This is in the Neighborhood edition.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Now. For some reason, police look into the clinic where
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Melanie works. Can't figure it out why they would suspect
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: her at all. And they find that the that the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: clinic where Melanie works.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: We expect me to respond to that. Can't figure out
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: why they suspected all the the dad joke over there.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta keep my game fresh with the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: dad jokes. I got young children.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I know you got We've got too many, you.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Know, too many? Are do we need more?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: No, we don't need.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: More anyway, At the clinic, they find out that they
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: use the same sheets as the one that was wrapped around.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Well, this is looking real suspicious.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm sure hospitals everywhere, but.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's a come You could probably argue it away.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I guarantee they probably could go to the hospitals there
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and they probably have the same sheets and everything is
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: just a coincidence that just aink they have them there
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Now with the gun and the sheet connection, police have
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: enough to get a wire tap on Melanie's phone. After
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: tapping her phone, they discovered that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Melanie was tapping something else.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Somebody was tapping Melanie any and that was a doctor
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: at the clinic by the name of doctor Bradley Miller.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: This affair was very passionate and very intense, and it
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: had been going on for two years. What this information,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: police now can get a warrant to the clinic's records
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: where they discovered that on the day of the murder,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: what they think of the murder, there was a prescription
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: for chloral hydrate syrup written under doctor Miller's name.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they know that's the day of the murder,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: because that's the day that Bill went missing. That Melanie
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: told them that she filed the restraining order.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know he was killed that day.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well they're assuming. You know what happens when you
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: assund that you say something stupid.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Makes an ass out of you and me.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Well thanks for I've heard that seven million times in
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: my life.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Really, after last episode, when you're using every cliche in the.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Book, Well, Stuart, she a cliche. I told you about that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I told you about my high school graduation where the
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Valve Victorian he did his entire speech in cliches. Yes,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: it was pretty creative.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I would say it was pretty punny.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went on to Harvard.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Anyways, anyways, are you done with your story? Yes, The
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: prescription was filled at the Walgreens a half mile from
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: where Melanie's children went to school. This explained the mystery
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: pink liquid found in the syringe and vile in the vehicle.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: The drug is used to sedate somebody that is possibly
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: going into surgery. It is not a drug used at
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the fertility treatment center.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: However, Yeah, this isn't like a common one that they'd
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: be writing is so for it to be written from there,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that's a red flag right there. It's like, why are
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you even why do we have this? Why would they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: leave it in the cars? When I understand, I guess
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: she forgot about it? Who is she?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: We haven't gotten to the end of this episode yet. Now,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a high enough dose up this drug would completely knock
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: somebody out.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Well, they go to doctor Miller because the prescription is
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: written under his name and he's having an affair with Melanie,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: whose husband is now cut up in a bunch of intead.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So they go talk to him, and he looks at
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the script and it tells them immediately that his signature
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: is forged. Of course he would say that m hm.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: He says he had nothing to do with this, and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: he was willing to help please it with whatever they needed. Like, fuck, Melanie,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I've already been there, done that. Bitch was a little
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: getting a little too clingy.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Anyways, we got a new nurse in here and I'm
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: working on that now.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so it's fine, I'll help you guys out,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: so please begin recording their conversation with doctor Miller's permission,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and he tries to get Melanie to talk about the murder.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: She swears on her So he's asking her, He's like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: did you didn't have anything to do with it? And
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: she's He says, you swear on your children's lives and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: she said, yes. I don't understand why that's such a
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: big deal. That's just words, Like why does everybody make
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: such a fuss about if someone sweared on someone's life.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Lara's gonna come and take your child.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: That's if you believe in karma.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, Kara, Karamacarmacarma's gonna.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Well. I was gonna say, that's a Taylor Swift song,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: but you know theod song Karma. Okay, it's from her
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Midnight South. Oh, we can listen to it later. I
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: have it on vinyl.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: St Okay, that's bogie as fuck.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just excited. I got them from Amazon. No,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I'm excited because Stu. Finally, so after we realized that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: We continuing from last can we finish this and then
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: continuing No.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that we we came to we
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: we had some internal self reflection and epiphanies. It's like,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be here for at least another year or two.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: We need to start hanging.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Things we need.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: To unpack. Yes, Stu hung my TV in our room
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: on the wall this week and put the record player up,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: so that made me happy, all right. So she swears
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: on her children's lives that she did not have anything
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to do with Bill's murder. However, however, on another phone call,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: she admits to parking Bill's car at the motel. She
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: claims that the night of the fight that she went
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: down to she called it ac Atlantic City to look
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: for him. Now, when she saw his car, she decided
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: she would just move it to a different location on
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the spot just to fuck with her, That's what she
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: said she did, and then casually leaving a syringe of
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the sedative sedative in there.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: She didn't she.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Actually didn't mention the sedative, but she said that she
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: was the one in the video parking the car. Well,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: this conversation sealed Melanie's fate because as we know, there
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: are dead human skin cells, pieces of human flesh in
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the floorboard of the driver's side. So whoever drove that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: car killed Bill stew like the movie.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Volume one in ten. Yes, now the police knew Melanie
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: had possibly killed Bill. They needed to figure out how
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: and where she did it. They went to the apartment
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: where they lived to see if they could find traces
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of DNA, but the apartment was immaculate. Melanie and her
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: children had already moved out and she had scrubbed it
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: completely top to bottom.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she had a great opportunity because with it being empty,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, she can just douse it with bleach all over.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: The place doesn't go and then the person that takes on,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: whoever's written or in the apartment's like, oh, thank god,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: you did such a good job cleaning this. I don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: even have to pay someone to clean it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I know, I get to save some money. And you
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: still don't get your deposit back.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Police now looked at the garbage bags used in her
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and the murder of Bill. The trash bags had a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: specific chemical composition, as they had been made from recycled materials.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: That's what you get for trying to help the earth.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You know, we should have bought some generic basic bitch
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: trash bags from Sam's Club.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: There you go. Police had also found a distinct pattern
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: from the serrated band used blade that was used to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: cut the bags. Now, this is in the factory as
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the bags are cut the blades dull, leaving unique print
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: where they're torn. So bags that are cut within seconds
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: of each other, meaning would mean that the same that
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: was sold together in the same box and they'lo have
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the same markings.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: You sound like you don't understand this story. Do you
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: want to understand?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: What of?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the machine's cutting them and as it goes it,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I guess it dolls pretty quickly because of the use,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and so they have to switch those blades out.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: That rate the bags. So where you tear the bags
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: at there's a blade that serrates them.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But how would you look at that that closely? I
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: guess I don't know.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Because after from bag to bag, as it deteriorates, the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: blade cuts.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, but I guess it's microscopic.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the naked eye.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Naked with you? All right? Are you done?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: St No?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not okay. It sounded confused, so I just want
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to make sure nobody else was as well well.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I wasn't confused. Just whoever wrote this.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Didn't explain it a shitty job. I was as far
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: into the case I was. I was not as enthused.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: You know, yes, we get it. You got tired of
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: type and so. But here we are now. When Melanie
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: packed up Bill's clothes, she put them in black trash
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: bags and gave them to a friend. Now police were
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: able to obtain those bags from that friend, and and
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: a chemical composition were identical.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Identical. What's that from my cousin, Benny? Who wants your
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: dead friend's clothes? It's weird.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Remember they were going to make a quilt. I don't know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It seems strange to me. I just probably wouldn't want those,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: like or maybe she was, well, no, she didn't care
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: about him, so she certainly wasn't at the point where
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes you might say, hey, will you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: mind holdings on to me? I'm not ready to go
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: through them and get rid of it. But I can't
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: have him in my house right now because it's.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Just I'm not taking yours of your dad's bouse is closed.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to take that shit to a storage unit. No,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not taking them.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I think that she reason she game to us because
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: she offered him and they were like, yeah, I'll take
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Bill's clothes.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I could use a new wardrobe.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: We're the same build, like, so strange Anyways, So on
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: April twenty third, two thousand and seven, Melanie's murder trial,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: uh went and they found her guilty. They found her guilty.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'm getting tired all of a sudden. Do I need
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: some caffeine? I didn't. I went to spend at midnight
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: last night, which if you guys checked out my Instagram
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you would know this with my soured oak saga. But
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm tired because.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I always if you'd quit using all these sidetracks to
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: talk about other stuff, we'd be done by now.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, whatever's do? All right? Well, I was gonna tell
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you about the importance of sleep, but we will save
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that for after the episode. So always, they find her
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: guilty a first degree murder, and they also found found
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: her guilty on some lesser charges, which were a perjury,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: desecration of human remains, and possession of a weapon for
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: an unlawful purpose. However, Melanie was acquitted of the two
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: counts of hindering apprehension as well as tampering with evidence
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: thank god, thank god she's as well as the possession
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of the the prescription that she had. Now, yeah, she
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison. She did try to
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: appeal it did not appeal to the judge. He said
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: no and not an appealing of request. So she was
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: sentenced to life and she will have to serve sixty
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: three years before she's eligible for parole, So she'll be
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: she's not getting out of prison alive. I think that
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: would put her probably in her in her nineties. But
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that's just that's just to apply for parole. That might
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that that's just for parole though. So anyways, and then
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Bill's their children.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Who's going to deny a nine year old lady.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they'll probably some new law just lets her out,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. But uh, Bill's children are with Bill's sister
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: is who took custody of them. And then there is
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a Lifetime movie that we were watching and it does
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's more. They painted Bill as
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: a very terrible person in the Lifetime movie. I don't
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: know if that's true or not. Maybe he was a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: terrible person, Maybe she just needed to get out. I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. But from what I researched, I didn't see
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: where he was proven to be a bad guy. Just
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the anecdotal at uh, how she how she was like
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: pushed to an affair because he was so terrible and
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: everything like that, and.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know, that's some excuse you can use.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And to kill somebody terrible, I had to have an affair.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to kill and then to kill him or whatever.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean not necessarily need to go to the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: next step and go somebody. You can just be like, well,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: you were a terrible person to me. That's why I
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: had to go see what's her name down the street?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Or what's his face up the road?
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: What you've been up to do in the neighborhood.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I got a little time on my hands every night
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: hanging out with the girls in the group.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: All right, Well that's our episode for this week out
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of Virginia slash New Jersey Jerseys. Are they're southern in
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: our hearts? Do? They're very close to us because we've
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: given them such a hard time all these years.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I mean that they wouldn't be in that and in
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: our what do you call it, on our horizon had
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: it not been for the Jersey Shore and the awful
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: things that they have propagated on us.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, the Jersey Shore of the show. Yeah, we can't
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: blame all Jersey for that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Well you can't, but everybody that watches Swamp people think
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: everybody in Louisiana they are like that. Well they're not in.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: It's not completely untrue. But I was looking back, we
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: have been doing this for seven years. That's crazy. However,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: me and stew were doing the math. We've only put
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: out one hundred. This is one hundred and twenty first episodes.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Like theoretically, if we were doing this on the schedule
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that we had originally thought we were going to do,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: which would be one a week, we should be an
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: episode like three hundred and fifty.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And we'd have crime junkie money right now.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think we'd have a crime junkie money,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: but we might have some instead of you know, none.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so seven years we've been doing this too,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: seven years in July.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Wow, we took two and a half year break on.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: It, we did, which that was a dumb move because
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that was during COVID so we could have really expanded
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: our list. Yeah, we did. We It wasn't nothing changed
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: for us that during that time we were still baby
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and then I got was pregnant. Yeah, so anyways, shit happens.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Are you do? You have Oh, let me so you
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: have your y'all need Jesus. Of course I was gonna
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: say the sleep thing. I listened to an audio book
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: called Why We Sleep, and it was eye opening, actually
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: it was eye closing. Stew I was like, I'm tired,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I know, but sleep is so important. Like I didn't
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: realize it's as important as exercise, drinking of water, all
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: that stuff. It's essential to your well being and to
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: avoid serious illness and disease.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I know. That's why I've been doing it all my life.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: You should get at least seven hours, preferably eight hours,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: every single night. So I I did get eight hours
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: last night, but I'm still tired. I need to go
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: lay in bed. See that's why I lay in bed.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I'm rappy just watching a movie in bed right now.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I could take a nap.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I know I could take a nap too, but we
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: can't take a nap. Be podcasted through the kids taking
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: naps and now we gotta we gotta be.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: A Why are you making everybody yelling? Whatsn't this?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do your y'all need Jesus.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, this is coming to us from my little spot.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I find all the stories because they got dumb criminal stuff.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: From The New York Post by Catherine don Levy, published
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: September one, twenty twenty three. So about a year ago,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: we got an alleged drunk driver arrested after unwittingly calling
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: nine to one one on himself. Quotations like a dumb fuck.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Oh that's the headline.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Anyway, they put dumb fuck in there.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Well, they put two little uh. They put a line
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: in between the F and the k.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, but they implied it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: They implied yes, Florida or.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Not Florida, Um Florida.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: No deed goes unpunished. And alleged drunk driver unwittingly handed
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: himself over to Nebraska police when he reported someone else
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: traveling in the wrong direction. As it turns out, he
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: was the culprit. Hilarious video shared by the Lancaster County
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Office Thursday captured the bizarre incident that unfolded in March.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: The man told dispatchers that someone driving a truck on
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: the wrong side of Highway seventy seven in Lancaster County
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: nearly ran him off the road.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, what's shocking for it?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: What's this Melanie's New Squeeze. Though rattled by the close call,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the drunk driver gave offers clear coordinates of where the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: collision nearly happened, and, after the perfect opportunity to hunt
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: him down, offered the perfect opportunity.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Are you drunk?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I might be? When a deputy pulled the man over
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: just moments later, the driver immediately realized what he had done.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Do you know why I stopped you, The officer asked, yes,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: because I was on the wrong side of the road.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: The man responded, chalking up the error to a missed exit.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: The driver was caught with a blood alcohol content over
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: twice the legal limit, prompting police to arrest him and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: put him in the back of the patrol car. The
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: man instantly confessed to calling nine to one one on
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: himself when the deputy realized who he had in custody. Yep,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: because I thought someone was on the wrong side of
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the road, of the effing road, bro, is what he
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: told officers. But it turned out it was you, as
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the deputy. Yep, like a dumb fuck.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Oh that's admitted in the headline.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, we don't have a name of this fellow.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: You know what though he should be publicly shame because
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago, the family.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: In Louisiana on Opera, Yeah, wiped out the family.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Well, the mom was yeah, they had six siblings, there
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: were six children, the mom and the dad. Well, the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: mom was in the car with it was the mom
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and three of the kids. And the mom survived and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the three kids died.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Now they'll come back from a sporty in a venos.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just there's no excuse to be
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: drinking and driving.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That happened just north of us on I forty nine. Yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and yeah, he was driving the wrong way, hit the car,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: killed the three children.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: He died, think thankfully because he'd probably be let out. Yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: probably the way they do with these. Anyways, I remember
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: he was from Dallas, Georgia.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I think it was that stood out to work or something.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he was.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Doing here, but anyways, all right, Well that's our y'all
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: need Jesus. The baby is up. She has joined us.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: She's being quiet though, so on cue. All right, So
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I guess check us out Instagram if you want to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: see how the sour dough is going. One day we'll
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: have bread. I think that's not from the hebs the
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: AGB and check it. Check that out so you can see.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: It'll be exciting day for all of us whenever I
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: can finally bake bread from it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I can't wait.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: And then book club is Winter Garden by Kristin Hannah.
• 48:03
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• 48:10
  Speaker 1: subscribe and I think that's all, so I guess we
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: will see you next time. Bye, everyone, Say bye Steve.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot by
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: nothing else. It's working and it's pretty learning.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And say it's worthy
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: La camag