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I Didn't Know My Husband Was A Paedophile - Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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  Speaker 1: You're going to mug me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to mug you.
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  Speaker 1: He said, gorgeous away, and.
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  Speaker 3: I believe I can run to chief a mountains.
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  Speaker 4: Download VLI now, so tell.
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  Speaker 2: Me quitely, who's nice?
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  Speaker 5: Who's not?
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  Speaker 4: Lovely? Over there with the.
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  Speaker 6: Van horrible to the right, horrible you left.
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  Speaker 1: The guy in the bungalow there spoke to me very awkwardly,
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  Speaker 1: but said I had nothing to be afraid of.
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  Speaker 7: Enemy.
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  Speaker 1: Enemy.
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  Speaker 7: Hello, yes, well cold, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I just want a horrible nice People.
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  Speaker 2: Tend to know each other's business.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course people notice things. It's not like police
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  Speaker 1: cars turn up every day around here.
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  Speaker 2: What's the thing you're really worried about.
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  Speaker 1: I have visions of people coming up the close with
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  Speaker 1: machetes and all sorts of poisoning my cats, because that's
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  Speaker 1: what people do. Unfortunately, look at that the one I
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  Speaker 1: was telling you about.
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  Speaker 4: I could a smug. What did she mean? This woman?
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  Speaker 1: She started an absolute vendetta against this couple in village.
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  Speaker 1: He'd been convicted or viewing indecent images. Here we go,
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. He has no fucking rights. He should
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  Speaker 1: be shot on site. Ninety two shares sick, twisted, evil,
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  Speaker 1: bastard needs castrating and his eyes covering in tape.
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  Speaker 4: Cut his bits off and choke him with them. Dirty
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  Speaker 4: bastard sawed their human rights.
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  Speaker 6: There.
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  Speaker 1: You notice the two of them got to wonder about
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  Speaker 1: the wife.
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  Speaker 4: This woman must be a whore. Nice, isn't it. His
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  Speaker 4: wife is probably as sick as him.
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  Speaker 1: This disgusting pair have no remorse for what he has done.
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  Speaker 1: Please share this with all friends so that we can
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  Speaker 1: get the maximum exposure. A dirty scum look at this.
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  Speaker 1: I hope they both get beaten badly. Knock the shit
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  Speaker 1: out of them. Sickos.
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  Speaker 4: You know that could be me.
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  Speaker 8: Is this the room?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, this is the part of the house that was Alex's.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the chair that he used to sit on,
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  Speaker 1: and he would have his computer on that desk o
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  Speaker 1: over there.
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  Speaker 4: So that is where he used to retreat in the evenings.
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  Speaker 1: When the police came, they did spend quite a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time in here, as you can imagine, and they
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  Speaker 1: did remove quite a lot of items from here.
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  Speaker 2: What do you use it for now?
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  Speaker 4: I don't really have a use for it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can see at the moment there's a
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  Speaker 1: books and CDs and family photograph albums, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable in here anymore. Actually made a conscious decision
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  Speaker 1: to keep the door shut.
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  Speaker 9: Six weeks ago, Kate had just got dressed and was
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  Speaker 9: coming downstairs for breakfast when there was a knock at
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  Speaker 9: the door. Five police officers came in and arrested her husband, Alex,
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  Speaker 9: on suspicion of downloading sexual images of children.
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  Speaker 1: He was shaking, He kept repeating, I'm not a pedofile.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a pedofile.
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  Speaker 9: They took Alex into custody and seized all the computers
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  Speaker 9: from the home, including Kate's personal laptop.
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  Speaker 7: They wanted to do a deep scan.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty upsetting and shameful to have to go to
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  Speaker 1: a police station and beg for my stuff back.
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  Speaker 7: What are they thinking?
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  Speaker 1: Are they thinking I'm somehow associated with this crime?
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  Speaker 7: I can feel my stomach game.
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  Speaker 1: It is the place where everything that I was certain
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  Speaker 1: of was taken from me. He was questioned for over
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  Speaker 1: twelve hours, and then eventually they shouled and Alex into
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  Speaker 1: this horrible little concrete room, very sort of stark, couple
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  Speaker 1: of plastic chairs and the table and bare walls. Echoe
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  Speaker 1: little room. And I said, Alex has got something to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that was when he confessed.
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  Speaker 9: Alex was released on bail that night and the couple
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  Speaker 9: drove home. A week later, he packed a carload of
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  Speaker 9: his possessions and moved out.
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  Speaker 2: Love one, Please, what you've got in the kitchen?
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  Speaker 10: Good good treeser, mac Wave kettle, gas cooker.
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  Speaker 2: It's quite small, isn't it. I suppose you could.
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  Speaker 6: Put a big roast in the well?
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  Speaker 10: Guy he sld me a recond he made Yorkshire pudding.
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  Speaker 11: In there, but he was a liar.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I appreciate you letting us kind of look at it.
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  Speaker 9: Isn't that you were that keen initially?
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  Speaker 4: Were you? Jod Milk?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Please?
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  Speaker 9: Since leaving the family home of twenty years, Alex has
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  Speaker 9: been living here one hundred and seventy miles away.
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  Speaker 12: We're in.
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  Speaker 2: How of your circumstances changed not so long ago?
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  Speaker 6: In what way?
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  Speaker 10: Large gardens? Good job, good job, respected in the community.
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  Speaker 6: Enough And now.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm the shame of what I did. I didn't
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  Speaker 10: expect any more than this. All the way through the
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  Speaker 10: arrest and timing the seals and things the police were
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  Speaker 10: asking was I going to kill myself? It helps you
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  Speaker 10: realize that actually this is pretty socially unacceptable. I certainly
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  Speaker 10: find it very hard to think about it. I've looked
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  Speaker 10: through the police reports and filed them away the other
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  Speaker 10: day and had a quick glance, and I was horrified
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  Speaker 10: at some of the descriptions. I felt guilty at making
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  Speaker 10: the police officer look at these images.
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  Speaker 2: It was children, yeah, some of them.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, at all ages. When you start to think about
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  Speaker 10: what it is you've actually been looking at, you can
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  Speaker 10: see why, you know, people.
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  Speaker 6: Can go off you.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, we go.
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  Speaker 1: I did ask about ages of children and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: What he told me was that he'd seen pretty much everything,
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  Speaker 1: which just came as something I couldn't quite comprehend. Really,
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  Speaker 1: As far as I was aware, we were a happy,
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  Speaker 1: ordinary couple.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you see any pictures of Alex around here?
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  Speaker 13: Now?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I've got photo albums, but I haven't really
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  Speaker 1: been back to those to have a look.
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  Speaker 4: That's my mother, that's me getting married.
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  Speaker 9: So that's the acceptable wedding photograph to still have out now.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, because it's just you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, was it a good day? It was actually, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was a lovely day. It's a real country wedding.
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  Speaker 1: That's the wedding dress and the veil.
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  Speaker 2: Brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's real nineteen nineties, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: It's great if he marks on it, but I made
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  Speaker 4: the veil.
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  Speaker 2: Can you forgive him?
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  Speaker 13: No, my darling, it was nice not having to queure
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  Speaker 13: up so long in the visitor center today. I hardly
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  Speaker 13: recognized you at first, with your new haircut and different clothes.
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  Speaker 4: Would you do your beard as well?
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  Speaker 6: Do you think I just generally tell him about what's happening.
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  Speaker 13: I've printed a lot of very mundane pictures of the
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  Speaker 13: chickens and things, but things that we would.
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  Speaker 6: Normally have been involved with.
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  Speaker 13: And I couldn't send him pictures of the grandchildren because
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  Speaker 13: he wasn't allowed to receive them.
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  Speaker 9: Robert is near the end of a sixteen month prison
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  Speaker 9: sentence for downloading sexual images of children.
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  Speaker 2: Do you still love him?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it's a lovely day today.
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  Speaker 2: You sound quite chipper.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm feeling dipper at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: Which is good.
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  Speaker 2: He's coming out in three days and you're feeling chap.
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  Speaker 14: Can't wait to collect you on Monday and start ah
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  Speaker 14: lives together again.
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  Speaker 6: Love.
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  Speaker 8: You can use your real name.
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  Speaker 2: No, of course, I'm not well, what are you going
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  Speaker 2: to be called the gods.
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  Speaker 13: Can't wait to collect you on Monday and start our
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  Speaker 13: different lives together again. Love Helen, and I'll put a
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  Speaker 13: smiley I think, Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: I know we use today as particulars well, and as
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  Speaker 15: I walk along with you.
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  Speaker 6: Same my week.
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  Speaker 2: Had she sleep last night?
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  Speaker 6: I didn't.
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  Speaker 13: I was up at four, came down hand a cup
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  Speaker 13: of tea. I just couldn't sleep for excitement.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's been in prison.
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  Speaker 9: Helen has visited her husband Robert every week. He's being
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  Speaker 9: released later today.
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  Speaker 2: That is a lovely dress.
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  Speaker 6: I wore this.
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  Speaker 13: This is a special dress because we bought this for
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  Speaker 13: I think my grandson's first birthday and they had a
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  Speaker 13: garden party and it was a really lovely, fun day.
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  Speaker 6: I don't if you'll remember that, but.
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  Speaker 5: Just like it, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Any way, that's a questioned.
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  Speaker 9: Were you partly feeling like you are dress for a date?
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  Speaker 13: And I felt like that before when I've gone to
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  Speaker 13: the prison and I've made an effort, dressed up a bit,
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  Speaker 13: shaved my legs and things like that.
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  Speaker 6: Does sometimes feel a little bit like that.
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  Speaker 2: He got quite a long sentence, didn't.
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  Speaker 13: He Well, most of my husband's images were in the
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  Speaker 13: most serious category.
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  Speaker 2: Were they young?
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  Speaker 6: Very young?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, children the age of my grandchildren.
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  Speaker 6: I know that he'd bitterly regrets that he did it.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think he's a pedophile?
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  Speaker 16: I think he genuinely.
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  Speaker 13: He tells me he has no sexual interest in children,
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  Speaker 13: that he would never have progressed to doing anything to
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  Speaker 13: a child in real life.
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  Speaker 9: But you know, many women, if they've discovered that their
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  Speaker 9: husbands have been looking at those images, would have had
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  Speaker 9: nothing to do with him right from that point.
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  Speaker 2: Really, and yet.
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  Speaker 9: What makes you still want to have him in your life?
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  Speaker 17: I do love him, you know, you can't just switch
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  Speaker 17: off those feelings. And I've loved him for forty four
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  Speaker 17: years and you can't just switch that off.
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  Speaker 9: As a condition of his release, Robert's not allowed to
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  Speaker 9: sleep in a house where there are children. Helen has
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  Speaker 9: rented him a place nearby.
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  Speaker 13: I've said to him, you're not going to be able
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  Speaker 13: to live with me when you come out, and.
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  Speaker 2: That's because of your grandfather, Chill the grand done.
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  Speaker 13: And the only way around that was for him to
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  Speaker 13: live somewhere else, and that's what we've arranged.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not farther's flattered.
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  Speaker 13: No form minute, it's just far enough away though that
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  Speaker 13: hopefully nobody will know him.
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  Speaker 2: M A right.
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  Speaker 13: When I came to view, this was all shielded off
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  Speaker 13: and you couldn't.
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  Speaker 6: See what this is going to be. And now I
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  Speaker 6: see there's three children with him there.
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  Speaker 16: I bought a new set of sheets yesterday, washed them
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  Speaker 16: over night, wash.
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  Speaker 2: Them to make them more softful.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, because they're all stiff when they're BALI let's be
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  Speaker 17: on the corner duty, isn't it.
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  Speaker 18: I know that when he is alone here for the
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  Speaker 18: first time, he's going to feel very bleak, very unhappy,
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  Speaker 18: and the more I can do to make him feel
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  Speaker 18: comfortable better.
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  Speaker 6: When I was looking for flats, it's jumped out of me.
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  Speaker 13: If he fears that a vigilante wanted to attack him,
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  Speaker 13: at least he can check who's at the front.
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  Speaker 16: Door before he answers it, which might be important.
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  Speaker 6: One of my neighbor's daughters told me that.
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  Speaker 13: In her block of flats there was a young man
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  Speaker 13: who had been released from prison after similar offenses, and
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  Speaker 13: he lived there with his elderly mother, who was in
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  Speaker 13: a milchair, and people broke in and beat him off
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  Speaker 13: in front.
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  Speaker 6: Of his mother.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't think he's worried about that.
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  Speaker 13: He gets worried about that they could fire bomb, they
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  Speaker 13: could smatch his windows, throw excrement at the house. Yes,
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  Speaker 13: my husband, hello darling. Oh will you we better go
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  Speaker 13: then soon?
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  Speaker 2: How does he sound happy?
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  Speaker 4: Same as me?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 13: He said, his stomach's churning. He didn't sleep very well.
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  Speaker 13: Who thinks he'll be out in forty minutes?
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  Speaker 12: Right?
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  Speaker 9: Three months on from his arrest, Alex has received his
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  Speaker 9: sentence from the court. He's not been sent to prison. Instead,
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  Speaker 9: he's been given a twelve months community order and must
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  Speaker 9: attend weekly counseling sessions.
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  Speaker 10: My community order says that I should sign the sex
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  Speaker 10: offenders register. I can't delete my Internet history. I've got
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  Speaker 10: to tell the police about buy new computers.
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  Speaker 2: What about teaching? Is that it for teaching?
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  Speaker 10: As part of the sentence, the judge announced that I
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  Speaker 10: would be bard from teaching. That's an end of that career.
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: So what's your setup now?
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: Working nights in their manual job. I managed to get
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  Speaker 10: a job from the employer who values They don't value me?
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  Speaker 10: They probably, but you know that I've got a conviction.
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  Speaker 10: That aren't worried.
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  Speaker 2: About your work mates? Do they know?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 12: No?
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  Speaker 10: And I think if people knew there'd be horrible suspicions,
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  Speaker 10: and there's always that sort of worry about people taking
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  Speaker 10: direct action. Do you worry about That's why it's so
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  Speaker 10: important that I remain anonymous.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, mm hmmm, h.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: So Alex was a teacher here.
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  Speaker 8: How long was he here?
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  Speaker 4: For about fifteen years.
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  Speaker 7: I do know that the police at.
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  Speaker 1: Some point went into the school and removed his laptop.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't do anything in the school. There was nothing
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  Speaker 1: on his school laptop. But there will have been people
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  Speaker 1: who will have seen what was going on and perhaps speculated.
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  Speaker 2: That could get tongues working.
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  Speaker 5: Could Oh?
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've had people shouting at me to leave
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  Speaker 1: their children alone.
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  Speaker 2: It somebody said, what to you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I have had people shouting at me to leave
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  Speaker 1: their children alone.
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  Speaker 2: What did you do?
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  Speaker 7: Left their children alone?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's next left.
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  Speaker 6: No one knows this, not that, not that, not that.
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  Speaker 6: One laughed.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, oh, dear, muster it.
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  Speaker 19: This is this is it?
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  Speaker 13: You know, every time I sort of think what's going
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  Speaker 13: to happen in a minute, flips over?
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  Speaker 19: Is that himps?
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  Speaker 16: What you're doing out here?
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  Speaker 4: I know?
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  Speaker 6: I can't help it. Worried you're worried.
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  Speaker 13: I think you know done.
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  Speaker 2: It just took time.
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  Speaker 13: I'm sure it's really looks really love to talk.
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  Speaker 4: Have your WiFi here, No, there's no Wi Fi here.
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  Speaker 10: I have a three G dongled with its allowed. I
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  Speaker 10: think the realization from the authority is that actually they
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  Speaker 10: can't stop you. But I've set some rules for myself.
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  Speaker 10: I don't sell on the internet for more than half
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  Speaker 10: an hour before I use the internet. I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 10: going to do things because that's where the problems came in.
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  Speaker 9: By the time Alex was arrested, both his daughters had
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  Speaker 9: finished school and left home. His eldest, Lucy, will be
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: twenty one tomorrow.
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  Speaker 10: About two hundred.
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  Speaker 9: You've got lots of your daughters actually here.
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  Speaker 2: I'd hate to see that.
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  Speaker 10: We'd say, why not people embarrassed by their old school photos.
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  Speaker 2: How with birthdays go? When you were at home with
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  Speaker 2: your daughters and ok.
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  Speaker 10: My mum would come over and make a cake, which
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  Speaker 10: was nice, a lovely tradition, to be honest. I was
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  Speaker 10: always a bit tired. No, And some of that.
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  Speaker 11: Were have been down to porn news. And you had
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  Speaker 11: a problem with porn probably ten years ago, and at
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  Speaker 11: the time, I was just looking at normal adult material,
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  Speaker 11: but as I got bored with that, I looked for
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: more extreme material. I kept trying to stop, but would
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  Speaker 11: always end up going back to it when things went
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  Speaker 11: wrong at work or other parts of my life. If
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  Speaker 11: I make excuses, it sounds as if I'm not taking
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  Speaker 11: responsible for my actions. But I've got to try and
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  Speaker 11: find an explanation, because if I am the immoral person,
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  Speaker 11: he'll be very hard to live with myself.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good idea from what he has
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  Speaker 1: told me that you know, these images were very extreme.
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  Speaker 1: He kept talking about how he'd seen images, and I
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  Speaker 1: got really angry. I said, no, you haven't just seen things. No,
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  Speaker 1: you went looking for things. It was an active process.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really angry that he would want to look at
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  Speaker 1: this stuff when he had me what was wrong with me?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Why not just stick with what was right, what you
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: should have been looking at, which was me.
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: Kate has been living on her own since the week
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  Speaker 9: after Alex's arrest. She's now decided to take Lodgers in
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  Speaker 9: and rent out her spare room so relief.
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  Speaker 1: Really have a bit of income. Obviously, I'm not working,
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  Speaker 1: so I do need to cull really, will.
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  Speaker 2: You tell your new lodgers what happened with Alex?
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  Speaker 9: No, they'll make friends with or these will certainly meet
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: your neighbors, won't they.
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  Speaker 2: They will find out at some point.
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  Speaker 4: I just really hope they don't mean they will though,
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  Speaker 4: aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what way you think they won't.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine them just bring it andsation. Oh, by
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the way, that my best hope is there is keep
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: themselves themselves. That would be my hope.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: It is a tricky.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: One, can't imagine. I mean, even if they did find out,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine they'd turn around and say we want
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to finish our tenancy because an internet offender lived here.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Can you really.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: It's not me.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it. You know, they're dealing with somebody honorable.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It's not like I'm leading a secret double life.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: No, but it's so interesting, isn't it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: That's whether you feel that you that that's something that
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: you need.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: To can see or yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: I've got a lot of albums there.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I don't really want to go through the photo albums.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: I don't really want to look at.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Pictures of us as a family at moment?
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: How do you think the girls are coping at the moment.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: They've got so many distractions in their lives. They've both
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: got boyfriends. I just think they feel that their life's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: not here.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Are your daughters seeing much.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Of I don't ask them too many questions about it, but.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: Hello, we're wearing my uniform. I came track from the
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: night shift. I'm training at the moment, learning how to load.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Lawrence exciting.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: To do.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: It's awkward, looks good apart from it on the floor.
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's much better than it was last night.
• 31:26
  Speaker 20: Yes, I did that picture yesterday.
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: You should do something with your art.
• 31:35
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 20: I spend a lot of my time considering possible careers.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: I could still go down.
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: What's so am I? Happy birthday to you?
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: Happy birthday?
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: Do you you look like a monkey and you smell
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: like one?
• 31:55
  Speaker 20: To shove out the candles?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: I think you're meant.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: To Who's that from Charlotte?
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: My sister? Yes, she's still angry with me. I think
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: refusing to have contact, Basically, I'm refusing to attend the
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: same family functions, which is the stigma of the crime.
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: At some level, it seems appropriate that there is an
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: awkward thing there that means that I am reminded that
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: this is serious and its affected a lot of people.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: You guys in particular, Oh, it's a nonstick what.
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: Some people that go through this, they do lose family members.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Did you worry that you lose the girls?
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: I thought they'd want to do with me, And certainly
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: after this all came out, I was too embarrassed to
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: try and keep contact with you for a little while.
• 33:08
  Speaker 20: Anyway, I was scared. I have put off speaking to him. Basically.
• 33:19
  Speaker 20: I remember sitting in the kitchen of my flat having
• 33:22
  Speaker 20: an hour long conversation with him.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: It was very odd.
• 33:27
  Speaker 20: I'd not heard him cry before. That was hard, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 20: it was just a lot of confusion. I remember just
• 33:39
  Speaker 20: going back and forth between how can you do this too?
• 33:42
  Speaker 20: At least now he's getting some help, and I feel
• 33:45
  Speaker 20: sorry for him. I emphasize with him, and I'm angry
• 33:51
  Speaker 20: at him. There's always going to be a part of
• 33:54
  Speaker 20: me that thinks I don't understand to stand him becoming
• 34:00
  Speaker 20: addicted to a thing, it's very hard to understand becoming
• 34:03
  Speaker 20: addicted to that.
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: It's very difficult to identifying what the underlying cause was.
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: I was depressed. I became addicted to the use of pornography.
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: Do you think that whatever it was that drove you
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: to look at the images, do you think it's something
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: that you can be cured from.
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: I am recovering, I hope, and part of my recovery
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: is the fact that I've got to be the best
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: father that I can be. I wrote a very long
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: letter to you in the aftermath, which you've never seen.
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: I wanted to explain things a bit. I don't know
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: whether you'll want to address it or not.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: You wanted me to read a letter, Probably read it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 21: Yeah, I don't think you should punish yourself on our
• 35:12
  Speaker 21: behalf or anything like That's yeah, I don't think of
• 35:17
  Speaker 21: your crimes when I think of you.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: That afterwards, when several things have come up.
• 35:27
  Speaker 21: The one thing that's been handled badly is I never
• 35:31
  Speaker 21: got the phone call to Lucy was the one to
• 35:34
  Speaker 21: pass it on to me. It's just been like, oh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 21: I'm too young to understand. I think there's been that
• 35:40
  Speaker 21: kind of attitude and I'm not youngy.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: We handled that terribly badly.
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: It's been a devastating experience for everyone. I ended up
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: harming people. Out of the most You've both been very
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: kind to me. You allow me to bump around on
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: the periphery of your lives, popping every down again to fix.
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: A broken chair.
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: You decide what you do want for your birthday. I'll
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: give you driving lessons if you want by dad.
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: Bye.
• 36:38
  Speaker 10: H m hmmmm, h m.
• 36:56
  Speaker 19: Hmmm.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: No, you don't violet.
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: Here.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: You goes out with your keys working dad.
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: Robert has been out of prison for two weeks now.
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: He sleeps in his rented flat and comes to the
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: family home on days when the grandchildren aren't there. Do
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: you think Robert might be up for talking to us
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: about what's happened?
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: You manage, but he doesn't at the moment.
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: Do your neighbors know where he's been and what he did?
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: My immediate neighbors do.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I can see your neighbor there now. Actually, what do
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: they think about him being back here?
• 37:49
  Speaker 13: She just made it clear that while I was having
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: Robert visiting the house.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: She's not to be involved with me.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: So have you gotten well with this neighbor in the past?
• 37:58
  Speaker 17: Oh?
• 37:59
  Speaker 13: Yes, he used to be quite close friends. I took
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: random rhubarb yesterday, which I've always done, and she was
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: rather taken aback, rather reluctant to speak to me, and
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: was looking around, obviously to see if Robert was around.
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: And I naively said to her, and it's all going well,
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: and he's settling into his new flat. And she said,
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: I'm afraid I don't think he's been punished enough at all.
• 38:27
  Speaker 13: He shouldn't have been allowed out, and he shouldn't be
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: allowed anywhere where there are children. And I do feel
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: like saying, well, what do you think should have happened?
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: Then?
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: What do you think should he have had the death pedal?
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: Did you have any inkling of what was going not
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: at all. My husband had always spent a lot of
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: time on the computer looking at train related things and
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: his hobbies, so I never looked into what he was
• 38:57
  Speaker 13: looking at at all.
• 39:00
  Speaker 16: Up there, that's his territory and it's all untouched.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Really do you.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Not go up there now?
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Well, there's nothing up there to interest me.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Can we have a lip?
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 39:30
  Speaker 16: It's a bit cob worthy. The children think this is
• 39:35
  Speaker 16: absolute fairy land up here.
• 39:49
  Speaker 22: So how much time would you spend up here? Several
• 39:52
  Speaker 22: hours at a time. I don't know half of what's
• 39:58
  Speaker 22: up here. My neighbor did tell me, or do you know?
• 40:06
  Speaker 22: Your husband stands and stairs out? Behind act us.
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: They're very unhappy that the idea that my husband might
• 40:12
  Speaker 13: have watched children in the garden. But I know that
• 40:20
  Speaker 13: what he was interested in is watching the red kites.
• 40:24
  Speaker 13: That we get a lot of red kites around this area,
• 40:27
  Speaker 13: and he was interested in watching birds, and that's what
• 40:30
  Speaker 13: he was watching. What people interpret everything in a different
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: light once they know what's happened. I did ask him
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: what he was watching, and he said it was the birds.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: And also he watches the trains, cause you can see
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: a train line from here.
• 40:53
  Speaker 16: Apparently I really know what he's thinking.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: Not not really.
• 41:05
  Speaker 16: And some questions are too painful to ask.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Like what.
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: Like whether he had any inappropriate thoughts of our grandchildren.
• 41:19
  Speaker 16: It's too unbearable. I don't think I can cope with knowing.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Hello.
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: It's been six months since Kate's husband, Alex moved out
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: of the house and their divorce has just come through.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Do you need to put I'm a woman, Well, I'm
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: looking for a man.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Oh he looks nice?
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Which one him?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: No?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Every eight minutes a single finds mauve. I have a
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: great sense of humor goes from doesn't apply at all
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: to completely applicable and you've got seven options on that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Slightly applicable.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Slightly applicable, Yeah, I laugh often.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I laugh as much at the
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: moment as I did before everything kicked off with Alex.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe not completely applicable. My emotional statu is stable, whether
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: it is as stable as it should be. So again,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: it's a difficult one, isn't it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: Do you think you're actually ready for a new relationship.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I suppose I've got two choices I can make. One
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of them is I can assume that because somebody let
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: me down in the past, I'm going to be let
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: down again. Or the alternative is I can actually trust
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: somebody take the risk, and if I'm hurt again then
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that will be the price I pay.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: I just want to kind of go for it.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Really.
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: Alex is still living alone and doing night shifts in
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: a warehouse in his spare time. He's working his way
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: through the twelve steps of a treatment program for sex addiction.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: This is my sex addicts recovery back. I just sort
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: of reading stuff in books and notes and things.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: So how's it all going there?
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: At the moment, I'm concentrating on going clear of the
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: ciddicative stuff and sort of living in the present, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 10: I don't want to have any risk of going back
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: to having a porn addiction. I try not to spend
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: lots of time in the caravan, so most of the
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: time I'm out there walking or I met a hero
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: in this morning.
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: How do you feel about how it's going with the girls.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: It's nice to see them. I'm incredibly proud of their
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: courage in sort of keeping up contact with me, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: you know, be very easy for them to bury themselves
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: in their own lives.
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: Do you think they may have questioned whether you'd ever
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: had any inappropriate thoughts about them or their friends.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: This is a letter to Lucy and Jests that I
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: wrote shortly after my arrest. Dear Lucy and Jess, I
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: am not a pedophile. I'm not sexually aroused by children.
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: The things I have done are all virtual, the other
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: side of a glass screen. I don't relate images on
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: a computer screen with the actual acts. I realize that
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: this will make me seem immoral, but this addiction of
• 46:06
  Speaker 10: mine has led me to some very disturbing images. Unfortunately,
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: the further I explored, the more obsessive and compulsive my
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: behavior became much of the thrill was finding new things,
• 46:21
  Speaker 10: and this certainly led to the current situation. I'm going
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: to get treated now. Looking forward, I hope that you
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: will think my dad was okay ninety percent of the time,
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: but he did something so unbeliefably stupid the other ten percent.
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: This is like a car crash, which is all my fault.
• 47:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and don't get clumbs on the floor.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: Let's just shut the doors so they don't know if
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: they do what we're saying.
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: It's two months since Helen's husband, Robert was released from prison.
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: His grandchildren still haven't seen him.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: What do you think they picked up about what's going on?
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, look at this.
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: Whether that's their grandfather crossed out, I don't know. They
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: apparently were very upset when they were told that they
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: weren't going to see their grandfather.
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: At the moment, my.
• 47:55
  Speaker 13: Son said, he asked them, you know, what do you
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: think happens to people if they do something? And the
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: children said, oh, they go to jail, and that's why
• 48:04
  Speaker 13: they said, Well, granddad's done something wrong and he's gone
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: to prison. My grand daughter is quite inquiring and wanted
• 48:14
  Speaker 13: to know a lot more detail and she's quite angry
• 48:18
  Speaker 13: that she hasn't been told why he went to prison.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Do cats eat bats? I wonder?
• 48:30
  Speaker 13: And here Alice began to get rather sleepy and went
• 48:33
  Speaker 13: on saying to herself in a dreamy sort of way.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Do cats seat bats?
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Do cats seat bats?
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: Sometimes?
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: So Robert can't sleep here.
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: But he's not forbidden from seeing the grandchildren at all.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Is he?
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: No, there is no restriction on him spending time with them.
• 48:53
  Speaker 13: It's our sam and daughter in law who don't want
• 48:56
  Speaker 13: him to see the children at the moment they answers.
• 49:02
  Speaker 13: My daughter in law is not prepared to allow him
• 49:04
  Speaker 13: to see the dwind child until she's had those answers.
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: What questions does your daughter in law want the answers to?
• 49:14
  Speaker 13: There were some details that came out at the child
• 49:17
  Speaker 13: that she is absolutely haunted by, like what horrible things.
• 49:27
  Speaker 13: One of the videos that he looked at was of
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: a breastfeeding baby who was taken from his mother and
• 49:34
  Speaker 13: the man masturbated and ejaculated all over the baby's face.
• 49:46
  Speaker 13: My daughter in law used to breastfeed in front of
• 49:49
  Speaker 13: Robert in the house, and she's absolutely haunted, worrying what
• 49:54
  Speaker 13: he was thinking and was he having fantasies when he
• 49:58
  Speaker 13: was witnessing that she wants reassurance that he never ever
• 50:12
  Speaker 13: thought of actually carrying any of these things out.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Is that there is that your daughter in law?
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: Yes it is.
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know how they're variable.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I feel mother apprehensive.
• 50:41
  Speaker 9: Ever since his trial, Robert's son and daughter in law
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: have been reluctant to see him, but they have agreed
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: to mediation to confront him with his offenses and to
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: decide whether to allow him to see his grandchildren again.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Did you see it?
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: Robert?
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: There?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Good afternoon everyone. My name is doctor Campbell.
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: So the first point is to know from everyone what
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: do you really want to achieve with this meeting?
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Are you worried about him? I just wondered how he is.
• 52:19
  Speaker 20: He of course feels awful about it, and he's really
• 52:24
  Speaker 20: unhappy about how it all turned out, obviously, and starting
• 52:28
  Speaker 20: over has been hard on his own.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: You know, hopefully he'll find a partner. Do you think
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: it's realistic that he'll find a partner. Surely at some
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: point he'd have to tell that partner.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: About people have passed.
• 52:46
  Speaker 20: I think he'd just have to find someone who could
• 52:49
  Speaker 20: understand the crime he committed.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Isn't the defining feature of his personality.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: But I think that very few people would be comfortable
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: knowing your complete discomfort with it maybe makes you think
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: that other people would be always equally as uncomfortable. Well,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: it is such a to be It instills such feelings
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: of revulsion, just that association sex and children.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's more complicated than just the crime
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: with him.
• 53:27
  Speaker 20: I think that came out of a product of him
• 53:29
  Speaker 20: being mentally ill and unhappy and not thinking.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I think you're perhaps over simplifying the nature of what
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: he did. Anybody who views images that are illegal are
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: consciously committing a crime. Their adults, they know the nature
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: of what they're looking at, and they know that it's
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: not acceptable, and there must be something rather unpleasant that
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: is prompting them to do it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: But that a pleasant thing is still an illness.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Well, there must be a point at which your morality
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: or your conscience speaks.
• 54:25
  Speaker 20: I think that's probably quite a simplistic view of mental illness.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Perhaps you don't really understand the idea of kind of
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: taking responsibility for your own actions.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: You know, we are in control of what we do.
• 54:42
  Speaker 20: We come out it from very different perspectives. Because you're
• 54:45
  Speaker 20: you don't really understand.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: Like depression.
• 54:52
  Speaker 20: I think I can join a lot of the dots,
• 54:54
  Speaker 20: which makes sense for me, and what you mean by
• 54:56
  Speaker 20: join the dots, to join the dots of how illness
• 54:59
  Speaker 20: led to to action and.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: What you can sort of imagine how that would happen.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: I can see how it might happen. You sound very forgiving.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's different for me because I'm a partner
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: rather than a child, your flesh and blood.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: It's a different betrayal.
• 55:31
  Speaker 13: Really, let's try to come out and see some The
• 55:48
  Speaker 13: therapist went around and asked why they were there and
• 55:51
  Speaker 13: what they wanted to get out at the meeting.
• 55:54
  Speaker 9: What did Robert say?
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: He wanted to be able to see the children again.
• 56:00
  Speaker 13: Sally drew back into her corner and was saying, well,
• 56:03
  Speaker 13: that's not going to happen.
• 56:04
  Speaker 16: Unless I see real signs of change within you.
• 56:10
  Speaker 13: His view was, well, I didn't actually touch a child,
• 56:13
  Speaker 13: and they were all old videos and it's all exaggerated.
• 56:21
  Speaker 13: Is adamant that he didn't watch a lot of the
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: videos that he collected them, downloaded them, looked at them
• 56:28
  Speaker 13: sufficiently to categorize them, and then put them away to
• 56:32
  Speaker 13: watch another time. I said to him, but you did
• 56:36
  Speaker 13: watch some, didn't you. He reluctantly admitted that he did.
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: Sally rested both her children in front of him. How
• 56:46
  Speaker 13: did that he did about that? And was he thinking
• 56:48
  Speaker 13: about those images when he watched her? He denied it completely.
• 57:07
  Speaker 13: He's denying completely that he saw that video. He says
• 57:11
  Speaker 13: that he cannot remember viewing it at all. We don't know,
• 57:19
  Speaker 13: We'll never know. Can't get some sleep. I'll see it tomorrow.
• 57:44
  Speaker 13: You're right, I haven't quite got over the feeling that
• 57:49
  Speaker 13: has betrayed me, and I've got this help. Could you
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: feeling in relationship to our grandchildren? I just I'm struggling
• 58:04
  Speaker 13: with it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: It's been almost a year since Alex was arrested and
• 58:16
  Speaker 9: the whole family had to start dealing with the traumad caused.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: You seem happy.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a new man, got a lot of
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: photos of him. You're still taking lots.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Of self Yeah, we did take quite a few.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: You're still in that honeymoon.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Yes. I woke up one morning and my iPad was
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: just going absolutely insane, going ding ding ding ding ding.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: My partner as it is now, was liking all of
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the statements that written on my profile.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: What about this one?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: It's quite nice, stunning gardens. It may be a bit
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: sort of overlooked outside. I don't know top end of
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that is, isn't it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: This is quite exciting, So you're going to move in together?
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is exciting because it feels like a new start.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: What about that one? A walled garden and an orchard?
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: Okay, there's anything that you're looking for that's different from
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: this house, particularly.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Certainly looking for somewhere that we have absolute privacy. I
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: don't particularly want to have a lot of neighbors too close.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: No neighbors or nice neighbors.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I prefer no neighbors really because I don't really want
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to have that pressure, which I.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: Thin You've had to take all this on board as well,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: haven't you.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it has been hard at times.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: It was something that you know, I told you about
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: fairly early on, wasn't it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: We didn't you knew what my past was.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 23: I think it would have been very difficult if it
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 23: had emerged a long way down the line.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: People did warn me that it's probably not something you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: mentioned on the first date.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: We just think the out plates on Yeah, you see
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 10: one on that side.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't even remember.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: All the stuff we had last.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 10: Take the handbrakes on, put the clutch all the way in. Wait,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: that's the accelerated.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 11: To.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 10: Just put into first gear. Just listened for the fighting point,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: and off we go.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Let go the ham.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: Oat, come on down the middle, leaving a distance on
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: the left.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 11: Okay, look out that.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 10: Cyclist signal left again against still in first gear. I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 10: find I'm a lot more interested in their lives than
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 10: I was before. I'm enjoying hearing about their lives. In
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 10: the past, I was more in my own worlds.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Is that in any sense led to a better relationship in.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 11: A way, I'd hope so.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: But that's nice.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 10: Yes, but it was the only fact actually could find
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 10: at the stick. Ever, I have a lovely life now
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 10: in a way. You know, you've got enough money to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 10: have a nightcap, decent piece of cheese, and some more teasers.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 10: I don't want to sound too happy about it because
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 10: of all the misery and everything else that's caused, but
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: I think life's a bit simpler for me now. M Sorry,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 10: apologies for that.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: That was a factastic friend of yours.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Mike's in a very similar situation to me. Actually,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 10: slightly different crime, but a similar it.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 12: Come.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: I was given his numbers someone who needed support, and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 10: I was able to support him over the phone a
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 10: bit in chat and things.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 23: In terms of recovery. You know, I'm building a life
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 23: now and very much bottom up. I can't answer questions
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 23: like what are my plans for the future. What I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 23: can say is I've got a list of things to
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 23: do tomorrow that I know will keep me out of trouble.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 21: No, I want to play out one.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: Dear Robert, we had a good journey and got here
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 13: early evening. The cottage is really nice, with lovely views
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 13: from the windows. The children are very excited about taking
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 13: Pipper for walks and paddling in streams with her.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: My feelings haven't changed and they won't keep for chin up, Helen.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 9: It's been seven months since Robert was released from prison.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 9: The relationship between him and his son and daughter in
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 9: law hasn't improved.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: Come on, good girl, So who's this is a Pipper?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 13: She's Oh, she's my life that much more bearable for me.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: She's just lovely. The children love her and does your
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: husband like dogs? Not much?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: So?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: How are things with you and Robert? Now?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 13: We are now fully separated. We are still friends, but
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 13: we are separated, and every day I have to remind
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 13: Robert about that. It's gradually coming around to it.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: So what changed.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 13: I thought I had to choose between my husband and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 13: the grandchildren, and I've chosen the grandchildren. He's never really
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 13: accepted what happened. One would like to tend that it
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: didn't really happen.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: I feel free quite now.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a dividing line watershed. You know,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: this is my new relationship now and I don't want
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: it tainted by association with Alex in the past.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Do you feel that you'll ever be completely rid of this?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: No, it's always just there, a little bit in the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: background of unease. When I meet somebody, how much they know?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Are they looking at me thinking, yeah, she's the woman
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: who was married to the sex offender and all the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: rest of it.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: So when you unpack at the other side, what are
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 9: you gonna do with the photo albums?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: I think they'll probably just go up in my loft.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: And they can sit there for a bit, and then
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: at some point I'll go through them, I guess.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: S