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Transforming Cozy Mysteries into Hallmark Masterpieces · Hallmark Mysteries & More

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  Speaker 1: This podcast was created by fans or fans and is not affiliated with or sponsored by Hallmark or the Hallmark channel.
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  Speaker 1: This is Eric and this is Hallmark Mysteries and more.
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  Speaker 1: Alright, everybody here I am and I do not have Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Sydney is off doing all of her busy August things that we talked about.
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  Speaker 1: But I have an amazing guest Today.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about cozy mystery books that we think would make great Hallmark movies, and I have the expert on cozy mystery books, brooke Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, brooke, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Hi Eric, I'm great.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm the expert, but I am going to have so much fun.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have so much fun talking to you about this today, alright, so why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about you and why you are THE expert?
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  Speaker 2: Alright, well, I am Brooke Peterson and I'm the author of the Jericho Falls Cozy Mystery Series, as well as the Cameos Secret, which is a middle grade mystery that just recently came out, published by Level Best Books, and I'm also the co-host of Clued in Mystery podcast, which I do with my friend and fellow mystery author, sarah M Steven.
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  Speaker 2: On Clued in Mystery, we cover everything mystery fiction.
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  Speaker 2: We're mostly fans, so our topics run the gamut of the genre.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about bios, the history of the genre, the influences, the tropes, the trends.
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  Speaker 2: We just like to geek out about mysteries, basically.
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  Speaker 2: So we release an episode every Tuesday generally, but we are on a short summer hiatus right now.
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  Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of people are in the summer hiatus.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to do that.
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  Speaker 2: We have to take a break and, honestly, our breaks are to read more.
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  Speaker 1: I can see it, Because the commitment of us watching a mystery movie is two hours, where if you got to get into a book you've got hours and hours and hours.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you've got to definitely more commitment.
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  Speaker 1: I have a question for you, though.
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  Speaker 1: You said it's a mid grade mystery.
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  Speaker 1: What's a mid grade meaning?
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  Speaker 1: It has like more blood and guts in it, or something.
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  Speaker 2: Middle grade, so like middle grade fiction is for middle grade readers, so like six through eighth grade readers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, not like cozy.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was like one step above cozy, so it's for young readers.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So it would fall into the category of a mystery without murder and you'll see that a lot for some of the YA or you know, books for younger kids that have mysteries in them.
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  Speaker 2: So we found on the podcast a lot of people were like, well, we'd like to hear about you know, we don't want to read, even about a murder at all, not even cozy and so these are an option.
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  Speaker 2: If you kind of like to get that mystery puzzle but you don't want to have to read about people dying, you might look at middle grade or YA fiction.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm going back to my childhood.
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  Speaker 1: Are we talking like Hardy Boy Nancy Drew, or like Encyclopedia Brown?
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  Speaker 2: So Hardy Boy is Nancy Drew.
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  Speaker 2: I would say more so because my characters in this book are middle schoolers, but so the way that the publishers categorized it is nine year old readers and up.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's more intense than a chapter book like Encyclopedia Brown.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit more involved than that, but probably nine through 12 year olds would really dig it, I think.
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  Speaker 1: I will say the and I know you talked about this because I listened to actually episode with the Nancy Drew.
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  Speaker 1: But when Hardy Boys two, that I remember when I was a kid of getting it and then literally reading it in one day because I'm then getting the next and going to the library and just being at the library like checking out three at a time and my mom being like that's all you can take and those books were so addictive as a kid and I got through all the Hardy Boys and then I went into the Nancy you know, being a boy, of course I started with a name Hardy Boys and then I went into the Nancy Drew's and so yeah, I have the same memories, yep, good old public libraries.
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  Speaker 2: Where would we be without them?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, unfortunately some places are finding out Kind of sad.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's turn the mood around and not talk about the sad demise of public libraries and talk about our signature cocktail that we like to do.
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  Speaker 1: So our signature cocktail is the turn the page martini, which probably is more commonly known as the espresso martini.
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  Speaker 1: But we're going to do is going to take your two ounces of vodka I like Tito's, but some people like Grey Goose or whatever you, whatever, your choice of vodka is An ounce of Mr Black, one ounce of your of cool espresso, and then you put them on a shaker and shake it all up, get it nice and chilled, pour it into a chilled martini glass and then take a couple coffee beans and just put it on top for garnish.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's as we're talking about books.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a little coffee drink with your book seems like a very nice way to spend a afternoon Now, rather than just drinking a regular old coffee.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting loaded while we're reading our books.
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  Speaker 1: We may not remember who the who did it, but we'd like to do our cocktail.
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  Speaker 1: So there we go.
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  Speaker 2: You can read it again and enjoy the story a second time.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, they did it All right.
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  Speaker 1: Are you ready to go?
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  Speaker 1: I?
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  Speaker 2: am.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Brooke, what is your first book series that you think would make a great hallmark mystery?
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  Speaker 2: So these are going to be in no particular order, but my first pick is the bake shop mysteries.
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  Speaker 2: These are by Ellie Alexander, and in fact, ellie has several series that probably would make a good show, but I particularly like the bake shop mysteries, so let me just tell you just a tiny bit about this one.
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  Speaker 2: These are set in the charming town of Ashland, oregon, and this is a real place that actually hosts the Oregon Shakespeare Festival.
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  Speaker 2: Eric, have you ever been to Ashland?
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  Speaker 1: I have not, but I do know it is a real play.
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  Speaker 1: I have heard of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not even exaggerating.
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  Speaker 2: I think that Hallmark could just load up their gear and truck on over to Ashland and set up and film in Ashland.
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  Speaker 2: It is that adorable, it's that cute, it's like every little shop you go into.
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  Speaker 2: It's just amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great place.
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  Speaker 2: So that would be a plus as well.
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  Speaker 2: But in this series we have Juliet Montague-Capsha Jules for short and she's come back to her hometown of Ashland to heal her broken heart because she's separated from her husband and she's a carlose and there's something shady going on.
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  Speaker 2: A carlose, she's not exactly sure what's up, but she's left him.
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  Speaker 2: They've been working as chefs on a cruise ship and she's come back to help run her family's artisan bake shop called TORT Great name for a bakery, on the Hallmark channel, I think and so she's back in town.
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  Speaker 2: She's helping her mom, who is really fun.
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  Speaker 2: She's a really great mother.
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  Speaker 2: They'll have this great mother daughter chemistry.
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  Speaker 2: They'll run the bakery and of course mysteries ensue and there's a lot of tie in with Shakespeare and things, since the festival's happening there.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of times when actors or directors or things are involved in the story.
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  Speaker 2: So that's really fun.
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  Speaker 2: But I think especially good is, like I say, that mother, daughter banter, which we really like.
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  Speaker 2: In our Hallmark movies there's a love triangle because, as I mentioned, carlos is iffy and Jules, high school sweetheart Thomas, really has his eye on her.
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  Speaker 2: So we've got the love triangle, we've got the cozy setting, the little cute town recipes baking.
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  Speaker 2: It makes for a great show.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds a little like a Hannah's once in there.
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  Speaker 2: Great, sound familiar, yeah, as far as people, actors and actresses that I think would be great in this.
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  Speaker 2: I I really like Elizabeth Lail she for Jules.
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  Speaker 2: She was the blonde in the first season of you on Netflix and I have to see you know she played that very quiet and kind of withdrawn character I don't know mysterious character.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that gal she's super cute and I think she could be like a really fun outgoing Jules and then, even though this is he's probably to, he might be the wrong generation.
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  Speaker 2: I like Mark Consuelos for Carlos, because he's like that Latin guy right, that's just like super cute and he'd play a great Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: He's shady, he's shady, so of course he he's like a little older.
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  Speaker 1: He went for the younger woman and so there you go, right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
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  Speaker 1: It helps the character with that.
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  Speaker 2: And you know he just played Mabel's dad and only murders in the building, so he's got some mystery cred there.
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  Speaker 2: And then I love Diane Lane.
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  Speaker 2: I've loved her forever and I think she would make a really great Helen Capshaw and she could honestly pass for Elizabeth Lail's mom.
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  Speaker 2: So those are my, those are my picks.
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  Speaker 1: I say go big with Diane Lane.
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  Speaker 1: I mean getting her right on the hallmark.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, hallmark.
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  Speaker 1: So I love the casting, especially the Elizabeth Lail, her every Pinochet name.
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  Speaker 1: I watched one season of you with my wife.
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  Speaker 1: She really liked the show she went through.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was three seasons, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 1: She was committed to all of them.
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  Speaker 1: I watched the first one and then like okay, I saw.
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  Speaker 1: But I agree with you, I think she went.
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  Speaker 1: When I saw that in the notes I was like oh, who is she?
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  Speaker 1: And then I looked up and I'm like oh yes, totally, I saw it.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll be honest, I read the first.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was like four ish chapter.
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  Speaker 1: It's just going to feel for it and I like where you're going.
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  Speaker 1: But you didn't cast a Thomas.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know I don't, I don't have a good idea for Thomas.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I felt a strong connection.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you don't see Carlos a bunch in the, in the books he's referenced, but I think we're going to have to bring him on screen and so I guess I just I got sidetracked with Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the beauty of the hallmark is, if you do look at the books that hallmark movies are based off of, often very little of them make it to the actual screen.
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  Speaker 1: Like the curious caterer We've talked about that plenty of times they really just take sort of a scene or just you know some characters and then turn it into something.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think Hannah Swenson very similar as well the last one, care cake murder like had nothing to do with the actual book, care cake murder.
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  Speaker 1: So you can do you know whatever you want and you know we're talking a little bit before we start recording.
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  Speaker 1: Really, what we're looking for here is something that has like the bones for a good mystery, a good you know you like where the plots going and like the characters, you like the setting.
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  Speaker 1: You know the hallmark screenwriters do with it what they may and as you're reading your your or not reading, but you're saying your little description there, you made me think that what would be great is getting our friend Jonathan Christian Plummer involved in the movie.
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  Speaker 1: His background is Shakespeare and with the whole Shakespeare fest like he totally like.
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  Speaker 1: That's why he's up in upstate New York, I believe, because they have a big festival up there and that's kind of what drew him there, if I am going off memory correctly.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's would be fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: So I went and I did a little bit my own casting and because I absolutely love her and I want her to have a lead, jc Dotton, who's in the curious caters, is Marla.
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  Speaker 1: She's in season some other hallmark movies, but she's always sort of that secondary role but I thought she would be great to step up because she's just sort of the right age there.
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  Speaker 1: She has like a funness to her.
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  Speaker 1: But I did cast in mine, I did cast a Thomas for me and once again I didn't get through the whole book, so you have much better understanding.
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  Speaker 1: But I went with a Ryan Pavey because I looked at it and I just found when the little bit that I saw he just seemed like he was kind of a stoic kind of guy and maybe as he progresses, maybe not, maybe Ryan Pavey is terrible.
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  Speaker 1: But I would say a lot of our listeners you could stick Ryan Pavey and anything and they would be happy.
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  Speaker 1: So well, we'll keep, we'll keep.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a great pick and I think that he's like kind of the flip side of Carlos right.
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  Speaker 2: So we need the guy that's a little bit more quiet and reserved, and so then you get that great like choose between thing.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, carlos has that fire, little whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have Ryan Pavey, who's just, and he also looks just.
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  Speaker 1: Looks like a cop that's an insult, or what I will say, a detective.
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  Speaker 1: I guess he's junior detective at this point is yes whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know the home market always has like older people who are just starting their careers, so they never get that quite right.
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  Speaker 1: And then for the mom, I had tarot Rothberry, who's she's been in a lot of hallmark mysteries or movies I don't know, and for being in Virgin River a lot of people know her from there.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought like the two of them.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, I thought I could see them as being a mother daughter.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they have a similar enough look to them.
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  Speaker 1: I think they have some nice banter between the two of them.
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  Speaker 1: So that was my picks.
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  Speaker 1: But very, very good and you know who doesn't in hallmark world, like the big bake shop trope there, so big.
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  Speaker 2: I think we can get enough cupcakes and cookies and you know all those goodies.
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  Speaker 1: Cookies, cookies a murder.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They make beautiful scenes, which hallmark does better than any.
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  Speaker 2: I think you know any of the TV shows like the scenery and they get everything right.
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  Speaker 2: I love, I love to look at a bakery on those shows.
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  Speaker 1: I loved in there them because I did get past the murder about them.
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  Speaker 1: She's making the raspberry jam and that's sort of the raspberry jam mixed with the blood, like it just created such a great visual for a little murder scene and I know it's, you know, cozy and everything, so it didn't go into too much detail but I did find that like a really cool way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not cool ways the right way to put it, but I thought it was just really interesting of mixing the two, because when she stumbles upon it at first she thinks, oh you know, raspberry yeah raspberry explosion, and then it's like oh no, not a raspberry explosion, alright, alright.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my first one I have is and once again, minor and no particular order either, but it's Piper and Porter mysteries, and with this one we have Darby Piper.
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  Speaker 1: She comes back to her best friend who has a detective agency, wants her to come be a partner with her and help her out, and comes back and ends up that her friend Samantha gets murdered and so she starts following the case.
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  Speaker 1: Samantha is nephew, who's a sort of wanderlust guy who she knew back in high school, was a little bit older than her, but she knew of him, but he's been out cruising around the world.
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  Speaker 1: He comes back and she finds out that he actually know.
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  Speaker 1: They started the.
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  Speaker 1: They start, I take it back.
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  Speaker 1: I totally messed up.
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  Speaker 1: They started the detective agency.
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  Speaker 1: That's why it's called to two chicks detective agency.
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  Speaker 1: But and but Samantha was the majority owner, and so the nephew comes back and after she's dead he basically inherits her portion.
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  Speaker 1: She assumed she would inherit all, but now this guy who she doesn't know and he's, you know it's not necessarily shady, but he just doesn't seem to have a lot of ambition or interest and so she's got to go and solve the mystery and, like any good cozy mystery, of course Darby is the suspect and so she's got to clear her name as well as solve the mystery.
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  Speaker 1: And over the course of time, of course her and the nephew, whose name is Tate Porter, start getting close and start slowly trusting each other.
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  Speaker 1: But they both have their secrets and they end up solving the case together and find out that the will said that they end up being equal partners.
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  Speaker 1: So the second book there's two books in the series.
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  Speaker 1: The second book they are more together and they're going out and solving another mystery and they play off each other and of course there's a little bit of sexual tension, but there's no actual real romance for it yet.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's going to be a third.
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  Speaker 1: I hope there is, because I really enjoyed the first two.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's got a lot of direction to go.
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  Speaker 1: I really like the thing of them being the two detectives versus.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when we always have the cop, it's sort of fun when they're outside of the cop world, and so that was like I said, that's my first one and in here I have I'm going outside the Hallmark universe like you did, and I have someone who I don't know if anyone's going to know who she is, but Riley Dandy, and I first saw her in a movie called that's a More, which is on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: It's a total romcom and it's not the best romcom, I will admit.
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  Speaker 1: I downloaded it when I was flying to Florida for the in-laws once and so I watched it, because I never can sleep on planes, and then we had a red eye so I was watching it at two in the morning, but regardless, I really enjoyed her in it and so, with the character of Darby, she's just very spunky, she runs a lot, she's very energetic, and so, as I was trying to figure someone out who could really bring that energy, for some reason I was just drawn to her and I thought she would be perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, we talked a little bit about this before.
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  Speaker 1: When you read some of these books and you know, with my world being around Hallmark mysteries, of course, I think casting all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But for some reason, when I started going and they first were describing Tate, I just got totally stuck on Tyler Hines, and so for the whole time I read it, that's who I thought, because he's kind of he's kind of moody, he's a little bad boyish, but at the same time he's got a charm to him.
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  Speaker 1: He's a little scruffy with the beard.
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  Speaker 1: He literally was to me, tyler Hines.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought the two of them and we all want Tyler in a mystery so I thought this would be a perfect platform to bring him on.
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  Speaker 1: So I have the two of them being together in this, in this mystery.
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  Speaker 2: I really like those pics Eric, you are good at this because I think that that sounds like a great pair up.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: And I like the concept of the PI story because you know we can all talk about the trouble we run into of trying to get an amateur sleuth like how do they keep stumbling over crimes or dead bodies or whatever?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: But when you put the PI or the detective agency into the mix, then everything gets easier and they get hired to do things, and sometimes they work on cases they're not hired to do.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it really makes us a series easy to maintain, I think, so I love that.
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  Speaker 1: And it also, you know, like you said, in the second book of these, that's what exactly what happens is they get hired to.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: There's a murder at this resort and they get hired to, you know, investigate it.
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  Speaker 1: So there, like you said, there's a reason they're there, but the other thing is they're not the cop.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the things and you, being a writer of these mysteries, is something you have to deal with is we're in a cozy mystery land, so it's not always about the right rules and regulations of law, but you don't have to necessarily do that.
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  Speaker 1: So when you do have someone like sneaking in and going somewhere they're not supposed to do, a private eye is allowed, essentially, kind of, to do it, whereas a cop can't really go in that without a warrant.
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  Speaker 1: You know they've got all the rules that they have to follow.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think the PI aspect of it does give it a little bit of you know not that we always need the reality.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: You know it does give it a little bit of that reality.
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  Speaker 1: What's your next one?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my next pick.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I am sticking with sweets.
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  Speaker 2: Another for another choice I'm recommending the ice cream parlor mysteries.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: These are by Abby Colette and I will admit I have not read a lot of these books.
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  Speaker 2: I have read book one and I know that they're really, really popular and I think that this concept is great for a TV show.
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  Speaker 2: So in this one we also have another real life town, and this one Bronwyn, when Krusey is a recent MBA grad and she's come back home to run her family's ice cream shop in Chagrin Falls, ohio.
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  Speaker 1: So Chagrin Falls.
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  Speaker 2: Chagrin Falls.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Apparently the shop has kind of fallen away from its original intent and you know grandma and grandpa's recipes aren't being used anymore and it's kind of in disrepair and so when decides I'm moving back home, I have this MBA, I'm going to bring back the ice cream shop to all its glory.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of the backdrop of what's going on.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: We've got a tourist town so we're going to have easily these, like you know, different characters that come in and out of town, so you might be able to create some, some crimes and some different suspects that way.
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  Speaker 2: And she also has a lot of family drama because it's multi-generational.
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  Speaker 2: So she's got aunts and uncles and grandparents and close friends.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that that works really well to to bring in some of the tension.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So she's got her business tension, she's got the family and friends kind of tension, and then somebody drops dead so you got to solve the mystery.
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  Speaker 2: But I love the multi-generally generational cast.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, it's also a diverse cast and I think that that's something that would be really great for Hallmark to have more people of color be your stars and this would give them the opportunity in this show.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And then I love the small town, the small tourist town and my pick for the sleuth in this one to be when Krusey is Kinta Brunson, she's the star of an Abbott Elementary.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm going big again.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I am, I'm just going for it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I love her.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: She is amazing.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I think that she's my new favorite actress.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: She's so funny, she's so adorable and I think that that's for Abby's series.
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  Speaker 2: You really need like.
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  Speaker 2: This person is spunky and funny and great and she's going to have a ton of banter with her grandma and grandpa.
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  Speaker 1: I think with her one of her best things is she's really good at the nonverbal comedy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Like her, some of her faces, the looks she can make during Abbott Elementary was just like she doesn't have to say a word and you just laugh or smile or anything.
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  Speaker 1: So, based on what you're saying, it seems like, yeah, that would be a great character.
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  Speaker 1: And you're saying the multi-generational, you know, makes me go back to one of the things I really like about Hannah Swenson.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Or murder she baked is.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: It does have the different, you know, there's mom, there's Hannah, her sisters, it's the whole kitten caboodle.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So you have your whole mystery with it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But then you have that side, which I think is a lot of fun and a lot of people, actually, I think, like that as much as they like the mysteries that are, you know, taking place.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So in an ice cream shop is a nice little twist, right.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're like the characters are pop, pop and grandma Kay and Maisie, like you just feel like it's really homey and cozy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Now are they called like the Rocky Road, whatever murder or something Like do they all have the ice cream name?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: They have super punny names.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Each book has the most punny names.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Game of Game of Cones is one of them.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: You know they're really.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: She has done a great job titling them.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: They're just adorable and ripe for the picking.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll have to give that a go when I get done with the next one of yours that we're going to talk about.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But I do have to get into one of mine first, and this is the Frankie Amato mysteries.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I believe you said that you've heard of them.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: You haven't gotten to read them.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: She's won some awards for this.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: These are written by Tracy Eddredd, eddreddy, jeddy, I don't know, it's a big Italian name that I can't pronounce.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's got a lot of Italian heritage to it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: But once again, going into all Mark world, I don't know if you need necessarily need to keep that, but it does have a lot of the same thing you were just talking about generational.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: So in this one you've got Frankie, who is a police working for the police in, I think, austin or somewhere, houston, somewhere in Texas, and she finds out that her boyfriend she does this bust and she finds out that her boyfriend is cheating on her with this like six foot three transgendered prostitute and which obviously I don't know if that quite would make Hallmark the beginning, but she's like busting them up and this woman ends up like totally beating her up and her detective is, instead of saving her, he's an older guy who doesn't think women should be on the force and just is very, very demeaning.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: He's like as soon as they break in there and they see that her boyfriend and this, this, this German prostitute, he's like oh, hang on, I had a really bad burrito.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go use the bathroom.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: You can deal with this.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And so he's in the bathroom while she's getting beat up by by this, this behemoth woman, transgendered one and so she's like you know what I'm out of here.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I don't like being the police force, I'm not getting any respect.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: My boyfriend's cheating on me.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: So her best friend from college has a detective agency back in I just realized there's a theme to what I have going on here.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: But back in New Orleans and she's been trying to say come on out, you know, come be my partner or work for me.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I'd really love to have you.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Business is booming.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So she packs it up and just goes, I'm out of here and moves to New Orleans and she ends up joining this detective agency and on there she gets moved into this little little apartment that this former burlesque dancer, who is an absolute hood of a character because she's a woman who's like in her sixties but still wears like essentially, lingerie and high heels around everywhere, with a big cigarette, with a big holder and just these great characters.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: It's got all these great New Orleans characters in there.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It talks all about.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of the, the, the Creole and Cajun stuff that takes place, but in it as well she's a woman who's in the book nearing her.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: She's like 29 years old but her grandmother's like you should be married because you know women who are not, you know, 21, you're essentially an old maid.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: You're never going to get married if you can't get married.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So her grandmother, even though she's in Houston, is Arostin wherever they're in Texas, is still meddling, trying to do stuff, and so she's got her friends in New Orleans who's setting her up with all these like this terrible blind dates and but she ends up going through and being a detective and going through she's just got.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I thought in the book I did not enjoy is there's a fine balance between someone being like a hot mess and it being entertaining and adding to the character, and then it just being like, oh my God, you just annoy me.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: No one would be your friend.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: There's like a fine line and I think it went too far in my opinion that I just sometimes couldn't get past.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: But regardless, I think in the hallmark if we, you know, in the screenwriting, we could sort of tone it down but just have that sort of character who is a hot mess in her personal life, she's trying to figure things out, but it's just she's always getting in her own way.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: She ends up falling for the handsome banker who of course, she gets jealous because in one of the I think it's the second book because he's got a beautiful assistant.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So she like follows him and ends up like accidentally running him off the side of the road because of some, you know, accident, but she's that kind of thing and so.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: But need to say, there's all these different mysteries and it takes place in New Orleans, which is a great location and it really builds a lot in that New Orleans into there and, as we said, it's got that multi-generational, even though they're far away.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: She calls home and all the time and they do other things like that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: So it's just a fun mystery.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I think it would need to be reworked in my opinion, because it it does.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Like I say her character is just a little too much, in my opinion, unsympathetic with her problems that she creates for herself.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So but in general, great fun mystery that I think would be able to make a lot of episodes in a hallmark, because that's one of the things too you want, right, our characters and enough different scenarios that you can keep it going.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And as we just discussed and I didn't really think about that until I was halfway through talking about this of being once again the detective, so they once again do have the reason for investigating and doing these things.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: The other thing that like annoyed me about it is in the in the books.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Every time she sort of figures out who it is, but then she ends up getting in a predicament where she's about to essentially be killed by the killer and then somebody has to come save her because she messes it up Like the first time.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's great, but then they do it again and they do it again and like at some point you're not going to have someone who's just, coincidentally, you know, there to save you.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So to me, whatever nitpicky, but in our hallmark world that would get written out and she would be a little bit better at closing the deal.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: So for my casting, you know I had last time going Tyler, which was in the you know the hallmark world, going big.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going equally big for my female lead here and I've got Kimberley Sustat and the reason why she's a little bit older than the character, but we can do that whatever.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: We just take her out of her you know late twenties and put her into her mid thirties.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Fine, so be it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And Kimberley just is the one who can, I think, bring that comedic touch to it that can walk that line and do it in such a wonderful way that everybody loves Kimberly Suster.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a person on this planet who doesn't just love her.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And, like I say, I think her doing that hot mess character, she would know how to do that perfectly and it wouldn't be annoying.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It would be where you look at it and you just laugh and you'd enjoy it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And at the same time I think she has enough where she could also then bring the mystery through it and would be perfect.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think she's just built for sleuthing.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: And then, like you're talking about trying to have some diversity, have you ever seen Zoe's extraordinary adventure or Playlist?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Do us on a few years ago I think there was two seasons she like had some accident and would hear like everybody would sing their personal thoughts.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I think that I did watch like a couple of the early episodes.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super funny really fresh concept.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: On that show there was sort of her and had their love triangle.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: But her work love interest with the head of marketing was this fellow name, john Clarence Stewart, and he's a black guy and so I thought, you know, once again, being down in New Orleans, we definitely should be having some color to be reflective of the community and, just as we said, also Hallmark, we need it and they've been embracing diversity.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: So this would be great.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And so he, and he's also not hard on the eyes, which we always like in our leading men, right.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So he's a really good looking guy.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: He's supposed to be a banker.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I think he's.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You know, he was always as the head of marketing, he was always in some really nice tailored suits and so I think he could pull that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Look off as Bradley, who's the, the head of the bank, the local bank, they're the Poncha Train Bank or something like that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I forget what it was actually called.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And then for her sidekick, who brings her over, is Jacqueline Collier and who is always she's in like a ton of stuff and she's never been the lead.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not casting her as a lead here, but she's just funny she's.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I think would be perfect between the banter of the two.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I think this having two people who really know how to do comedy would be fantastic, because I think that's what this mystery would be.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like doing the.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Earlier this year we had the cases of Mystery Lane, which had a great mystery but it had a wonderful comedic element to it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I think this could be one that's along those lines and this be a really fun comedic mystery that we'd really really enjoy that has all those elements and having some great stars.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I would watch that, Eric.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: This sounds like a fun show.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And speaking of fun titles, each of these are named after a cocktail, which I love.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: That too, right.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, very much so, which is funny because they don't really the cocktails, don't really play too much into it, but so be it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It is like you say, it is great and how she's cranked out what eight of them and I think there's one another one coming out later this year and how she can keep these titles, and I guess you know you writers are kind of creative, but how she keeps cranking them out and stuff.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So it's, it's pretty good.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: All right, your next one I have given a go to, and so I'm excited to talk about this one.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: This is the Sherlock Holmes Bookshop Mysteries by Vicki Delaney, and so this one is going to feature a little bit older.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Of the sleuth this is Gemma Doyle is our sleuth.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: She's a transplanted English woman who has come to West London, cape Cod, to manage her uncle Arthur's Sherlock Holmes Bookshop.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: So you've probably already started to see the little Easter eggs we have.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Uncle Arthur, she's Gemma Doyle.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Vicki Delaney does an amazing job of just sprinkling in all this Sherlock Holmes, all these little details that are fun.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be a big Sherlock Holmes fan to still enjoy the stories and the characters, but if you are, then it just kind of adds that extra something.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: But so she's come back to run Uncle Arthur's Elderly, so Gemma's come back to run the shop for him, and this is a shop that specializes in the Holmes Canon and pastiche and is also home to Moriarty, the cat.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: There again, moriarty, yeah, moriarty does not belong to them.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: He lives in the bookshop.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: That's his house.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: He's not anyone's pet.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: It's just a really cute relationship there too.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: And in the first one what she finds?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: A rare and potentially valuable magazine that contains the very first Sherlock Holmes story hidden in her bookshop.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: It's not part of her inventory.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Someone has stashed it there because it's like one of those things like where do you hide some things?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Sherlock Holmes will in the Sherlock Holmes bookshop because it will just fit right in.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: So they try to find who has hidden this here and who owns this and it's potentially worth, you know, millions.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: And along the line she and her friend Jane, who runs the adjoining Mrs Hudson's Tea Room.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: They set off to find the owner and stumble upon a dead body and so then it turns into a murder investigation.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: But the shop is absolutely adorable.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: The way she describes it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I thought for sure.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Like oh, this place has to exist, like it feels that real.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: So I started looking it up because I'm like maybe I need to schedule a trip, I want to go here.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But no, it's fictional.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Vicki Delaney just has made it seem that amazing and there are nine books in the series, so lots of material to work through.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Gemma is has an on again, off again relationship with the detective.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: They kind of they kind of date and then they don't date and then they get angry with each other because they date other people and so then they date again and they've got that kind of a relationship and Jane and Gemma are that opposites.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Gemma is very black and white, you know, business owner, and then Jane is the foil, where she's much more creative and she runs the bakery side of things.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: So that's a really fun and they're each other's Sherlock and Watson, you know.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So we've got that happening.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: For my picks for Gemma, I have.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I wanted an English actress because she's an English woman who's now living in the States, and so I picked Rachel Sterling.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: She's one of the actresses who was in Bletchley Circle, which was a period drama that I really loved, and she's she's really, where can you see that, because I've never heard of it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: So I think you can watch it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I watched it on Netflix.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So it's one of those World War Two dramas where and it is like mystery in a sense, because they are women who are working at Bletchley Circle during World War Two who are doing like the spy work, and so it's a spy, it's a spy drama.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Oh great.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: But she's really beautiful, but she's also like that, very intelligent, looking right.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: She's not like glamorous, she's just this beautiful woman and I see her as Gemma.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: So for the sidekick, jane Wilson, I'm I'm going to go a little bit off script of the book because Jane is not this silly or comedic, but I just think it would be such a fun addition to the story If, if Jane was just more quirky.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: And so I'm going with another one of my favorite actresses, I'm going big Eric, and that's Adi Bryant, who you will know from SNL.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: She is one of my favorite all time actresses.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I think she is amazing and I just think I could just see her as being kind of, you know, clumsy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe she's like having baking mishaps next door, and it would just add just a totally fun element to this, to this series.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Love it, which is once again the beauty of the hallmark rewrite, because in the book, at least from where I got, she's supposed to be like super petite and like seems very not prim and proper but definitely knows her big, like she's to have a bakery in Boston.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: So I like your twist on it better of giving her like somebody who's a little more of that fun, because, as you're saying, like Gemma is a very black and white like there and having that sidekick who she does, at least from the part where I got to, she definitely does seem to be a little bit lighter.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: But I like yours of definitely being like the other, the yin yang kind of thing.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I love that idea.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be super fun.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: So for mine and I said before how sometimes I just get this picture in my head I got and I always don't know if I pronounced her name right but I went with a Rachel myself, a British Rachel, but Rachel Scarston, who she was in the Royal Nanny of, which was on last year in the Christmas movies which I, in my pre-picks I think I had that as my least favorite movie I was looking forward to, and then when I watched it I thought she was so the movie I thought was just so charming and she was so good that I just loved it and it ended up being a top 10 movie for me from the whole thing and I've just wanted her in a mystery.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And so when I was listening to this and, by the way, I listened to an audiobook as going through and I was like, oh my God, I really liked this and I was really liking it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And then when they said, oh, the cat's Marriarty, I'm walking my dog, and I literally just laughed out loud.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, perfect, this is perfect.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And when I was reading the reviews a lot of them it was, you know they're most of them were positive and the negatives were that Gemma and you've gotten through more Because Gemma is just too like a lot of people are saying she's unlikable because she's just too.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: You know, without filter, and I was talking, I was listening to it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I went grocery shopping and I dragged my daughter with me this morning to go grocery shopping and she's like, well, she's just British, that's how her aunt's British, and it's just like they're.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say they're different, but it's just she's British, right, and so I think it goes within the character and I actually like that and I think it is.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: You're talking about the similarities with the, the Sherlock Holmes there.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I think it fits.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: She's kind of a spin off of the Sherlock character, who is not likable at all, if you know, if you've read any Sherlock Holmes, he is abrasive and he's kind of a jerk, but he's like always right.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: You know, he he one that figures it out, and Vicki Delaney didn't take her that far.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: But you do have that feeling where she's a little standoffish.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: She's not warm and fuzzy and I I'm at the beginning, I haven't read deep into the series, so I don't know if she softens up over time, but it is intentional, but I can see how it's.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: She's maybe not someone's favorite sleuth.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: But I like, I liked it and, like you said, it is intentional because it is Sherlock Holmes ask, and there's a lot of that similarity and then.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: So that's what I had for for her and then for the sidekick I had two different, two different choices.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I couldn't, I couldn't figure out who I wanted.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I had Chelsea Hobbs, and kind of along the same lines as you, as I just thought Chelsea who she was, this in I think it was dance moms or I forget what it was called.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: It was a earlier Hallmark one.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: She was also the sister in the holiday sitter last year.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think she's adorable and I thought she just kind of fit for me.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: But then I also had Kiki Palmer, who was from Scream Queens and once again getting back into the thing of trying to add some diversity to it, and so between the two of them they kind of the same same thing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: But I have to say I think I like your direction better.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I like I would be really happy.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I think that is would be a good pick because you're getting that same idea where, because she's, you know, a very fun and like big personality, and I think that would be the the yin and yang thing, like you said.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like yours, so we'll swap, we'll hope that Hallmark can get her.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, OK, moving on to my next one, it's a book you may be familiar with, but it's called the Jericho Falls Cozy Mystery Series.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: The author is Brooke Pat Patter.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Peter Peterson, I can't ever get that name right.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can help me with that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Brooke Peterson, you and I gave it a go and I have to say the main character Is Chloe.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Martin really liked her, she's just she's got some issues.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: So she's this one who her grandma Lily tricks to come back.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I feel bad, like describe me, considering this is your baby, and I'll like say something.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You're like I can't wait to hear you describe it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: That's not it at all.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Did you not understand what I was saying?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: But Chloe Martin is up in, I think, boise right, idaho Boise, I believe it's Boise and she, her mom or grandmother, gives her a thing, saying, oh, I'm sick, I'm about to die.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: You got to come back.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: She's always been very close to her grandmother.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: She would spend her summers in Jericho Falls, which is Nevada, I don't know where, and is it like upstate Nevada or something like that, or Reno ish, or is it real place?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: No, it's not a real place, but it's kind of based on a real place near Reno.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: OK that's why I envisioned it being like, kind of like that.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And so she cruises with her grandma.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: She gets back and her grandmother's like, well, maybe I'm not sick.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: And so she's like I can't believe, I dropped everything just to come back and you're not sick.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: But the grandma just wanted her back for reasons we don't know yet.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Through the first, I've been through the first two but then her grandmother is dating a old guy, and so Chloe's like I'm not so sure about this guy, but she seemed to make her happy and then, lo and behold, he died.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And so it's about finding that whole mystery.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: But one of the reasons why Chloe left Jericho Falls which is a place where she come every summer and she really enjoyed was her best friend.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I believe they were 16, had an accident and she died and there was suspicion about it and Chloe was the main suspect all the way up until like, basically, I don't think she went, it didn't go to trial, right, but it got close, like she was very far along, and so she has very, it sort of ruined the whole thing.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: You know, she lost her best friend, then the whole charm of this place, her magical place, was ruined.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: So she just left, swearing never to come back, and it wasn't until her her grandmother said she was sick, that she came back.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: But then, you know, on the way back and she meets her grandmother, she meets Officer Gardner through a very interesting it wasn't a taquita, would she burrito?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Would she Corn?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: dog.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Corn dog.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she had a corn dog that had a little rumbly in the tumbly and she was feeding.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: To find the next bathroom and Officer Gardner we meet, who's a dreamy place officer.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Imagine that in a cozy mystery, pulse her over and she tells him what's going on.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: So he gives her a place escort to the bathroom.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But, like I said, she's there and she becomes the number one suspect in the death of this gentleman who her grandmother was dating, who she finds dead.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: And, lo and behold, the detective who's first investigating.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: It is the little sister of her best friend who had died.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: And her little sister still thinks Ellie, ellie Porter thinks that maybe Chloe really was part responsible for it.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So she didn't believe that she got off.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So that created a little bit of drama.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: So it's all the shenanigans of proving that Lily, her grandmother, is innocent, and then going through all the different characters, as I told Brooke, I totally thought I nailed it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: But I nailed the concept.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: But the wrong person and very fun the.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Then you move on to this.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: The second mystery is where she's really not involved, but she stumbles upon it and decides she wants to help solve it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Well, not help solve.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: She decides she wants to solve it because, as she's investigating it, there's a lot of entanglement with the old case of what am I going brain dead on her best friend's name.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Christy.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Christy right, Christy's death and this current murder.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: So she gets sort of involved in that and bringing some of her old high school romantic interest involved.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Who's now the mayor, so it's just a lot of fun.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: The character, the thing I really like about it is kind of like what I liked about Darby and that first one I was talking about, the one I go brain dead on the the porter.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Piper and Porter yeah, darby Piper is she just a very spunky character, is what I liked about her.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: She's also is not why she's like a spunky and fun.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: She also has some emotional baggage that she's dealing with through here and so sometimes, as I was talking to you, I get a little frustrated with her.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: But then I remind myself like she's carrying a pretty heavy weight and you know, and she and I love what you did in there In the second book you bring it out when you say where she acknowledges essentially she kind of got stuck emotionally at 16.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: And, you know, started shutting off people and you know it just really explains a lot of some of those frustrations of her character, because you're like you're getting in your own way, kind of where I was talking about earlier Earlier with Frankie.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: But Frankie, whatever, I think that's just her, her personality, whereas here you really did do a good job, I think, of explaining why she's getting in her own way and despite it being frustrating, you constantly have that in the back of your mind, so but it's just a fun one.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's the cozy mystery in the little town and you know she or grandma Lily, excuse me, she has a big old mansion from the back in the original days of when the, when the town was founded, and so people come and do tours there and so they're really ingrained in the community and it's got all that small charm, small town charm things, where they, you know, have the big events and everybody knows everybody and they come to the events and so it's all that kind of stuff that you want in a in a little cozy mystery.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: One of the things I was reading is I was prepping for this was, and I stumbled upon it by accident, but it was like the elements of a good cozy mystery and it's like you're supposed to have five suspect characters and I like the way that when you, when you did it, you sort of the first one is like their inner circle and then the second one gets to the trailer park circle and you know some of the other people, but it brings it in and I think with it, with the town and the way it's set up, is, you do have that ability to keep going.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: One of the things that does have a slight love triangle, but not really, because her old high school boyfriend is there but she's not interested in anymore, but people think she should be and I think he though it's not really expressed I think he's still interested in her.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: She sounds, by the way and this could just be my own thing she sounds like a very cute girl.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: So she's obviously, I think, rather attractive.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: So of course he's going to be still interested in her because he's still single.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: But then there's chief garner, and then there's that you know, tension.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Will they, won't they?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That you, that you got to have?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I've never seen anybody before.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: He's the, he's the detective, that police chief, and she's the this, the Snoopy, nosey body.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: So there's that little tension as well.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: That it's very funny and it's in it's in the cozy mystery thing about how they can be professionally like, shouldn't?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't like you personally, I do like you.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: They clearly have eyes for each other.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: But then when the students they get into a case, then they're like, you know, I don't, I don't trust you, you are getting in the way, and they have all that stuff which is, you know, cozy mystery, one on one, which you got to have.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: So very enjoyable.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: What did I?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: What do you think I missed what?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: It obviously has very all over the place, but Well, I'm beaming.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I just think that was so enjoyable to hear you tell the you know, in a nutshell, book ones premise, because I think that you, you've got it.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And whenever I hear somebody like express that, they get the like yes, chloe is frustrating, she's frustrating for me to write because I'm like get with it, girl, why do you keep stubbing your toe on the same thing?
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: But to hear that you kind of got like the nuance and the background of things, that just it just makes me super happy.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: That's all I can say, and I'm beyond happy that you would think that this would make a good hallmark show.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I just I'm, I'm beaming.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I think one of the things to bring a little bit of my personal baggage along with it is I lost my best friend.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: He died in a car crash when I was I see I was 18, I think is my freshman after my next to me after my sophomore year, says 19,.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: After my sophomore year, college, and I just remember I went through a very similar thing where you have that survivor get out of the car.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Now, granted, I was in Arizona, he was in Tennessee, he was at a, he was doing a counselor at a camp and it was out in the smokies and there was a thing in the where they sort of went off a cliff in there and everyone in the car died and he was standing there.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: The thing was he was supposed to be out.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: My other really good friend had come out for the summer and I he was supposed to come to and he got this last minute thing at the camp that he really wanted to do because he, like he loved, you know, he was in counseling kids and stuff.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: So he decided he was going to do that and so I just felt this guilt and so I went through a pretty long period of time where I also couldn't connect to people, I really shut off and I just I don't want to say I was like suicidal by any means, but I was just like what's, what's the point, you know, and you make just really bad decisions because you're like, you know, whatever it's, it's all doesn't make sense.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I can just die tomorrow.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Who cares?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: And so I may have had a little bit more, even though, like you say, she's frustrating and, yes, she's stubborn or toes, and you just want you know her, just to get get her act together.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Because for us, being lawyers of it, we see it all right and you can see, you're like, but when you're in it, you just you don't, you don't see with that clarity.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: So I think I kind of related a little bit Now.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Granted, I was not in the circumstance that Chloe was where, she was with her and gotten in a fight, you know, and off the off she ran and you know, accidentally fell off the waterfall and you know, and died and all of that.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: So, but I still felt a little bit the same because you know he was supposed to be with me and wasn't.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: She was, she hadn't gotten the fight, she'd got the bathing suit, which we learned was not really the case, but of why she was upset.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: But so, yes, I just relate a little bit.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: So, alright, let's get back to a positive thing and get into a little bit of my casting for this.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to go a little bit backwards.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So, even though Chloe is the main character, I'm going to start with the back, with chief gardener chief lands gardener because, as I told you, when I was reading this book, I literally from the first time he pulled her over and your description of him walking up in the place pulling over for that, you know the corn dog indigestion I just immediately went and I could not get him out of my head.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Travis van Winkle, and he the entire series, he just completely as him and I could not do a scene without it being him.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: So I have to go there, because if hallmark makes this and they do not cast him, I will throw the biggest hissy fit, though by the time movies happen Well, actually movies do happen fairly quickly.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I'd say Travis may be too old, but we'll make this happen real quick.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: So by by next spring, this will be a spring mystery on hallmark, but Travis is, he is the character.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I would agree with you, eric, because I've had the hardest time.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: You know people want to say who would you cast?
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I've had the hardest time with Garner, but you nailed it.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: You nailed it.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: That's him.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Now why have we digress a little bit?
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: When you are writing these characters, obviously you're writing with no real intention that, hey, it's going to become this movie and thing.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: But do you, as you're writing them in your head, do you formulate like, did somebody stick out to you?
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Like, as you're writing it, like, oh, this is somebody in the kind of little personality ish, or description ish, base it off a real life person.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Some of them I definitely have, and I and I tend to gravitate towards actors just because we have seen them right, we've seen them in things, so sometimes I'll have someone in my head.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say who grandma Lily is in a minute, but I've lost her name all of a sudden.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: But but I feel like with some of them it's just my own imagination, like I couldn't nail him, and he's one of them.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I couldn't.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I know what he looks like in my head and this is a pretty dang good rendition.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: My, my Chloe in my head is Zoe Deutsch.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: So she's a little quirky but she's still like.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: She's super beautiful, but she's not.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Like I said before, she's not glamorous.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Beautiful she's t-shirt and jeans, pull my hair in a ponytail and you know, girl next door beautiful.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: For my Chloe.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I had Kim Matula and if you watch anything about me last Christmas you'll know my favorite holiday movie last year was Ghost of Christmas always, and she was the lead in that.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: She's beyond adorable and in that movie I kind of she looked very cute.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: She did not look, I don't think, stunning beautiful, but then when you actually look at pictures of her she's stunning beautiful.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: But for me when I was reading it I just needed somebody who could, who I thought would just be like.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: He kind of said a girl in jeans, putting her hair in the ponytail, getting the you know the hands dirty.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: She drives her pickup truck and Kim Matula just seemed like that where she's really pretty but at the same time can be not.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: This is I don't know how to say it like not intimidatingly beautiful.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Just just pretty, and so that's kind of and, as I told you, when you're just throughout the book, that's just kind of the thing I had to sort of this effortlessly pretty woman.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I like her.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I like her, I wouldn't.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate that.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: So and so, yeah, so that's who I had and, as I told you with with this book, because I did like the character so much, I just really wanted it to be somebody cast, somebody who I had a personal connection with and I like said, since that was my favorite that's actually maybe my all time favorite Hallmark holiday movie so I just really sort of like had that like special place that I was holding on to, that I was like, okay, this is worthy of her.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: So I have that.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: And now because we are in Hallmark world I went to to drive two directions.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: But my real casting I would do if I was the Hallmark producer and doing this is I would change grandma Lily to be her mom and I would make it be Dana Delaney and Dana Delaney.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I will be totally candid and honest.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Before there was Brooke Burns, there was Dana Delaney.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: In college Dana was my pin password for all of my my things.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: I hated the show but I would watch it without volume just so I could watch Dana Delaney.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I think body of evidence she was in.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I love Dana Delaney.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I had for 20 years and unhealthy obsession with Dana Delaney.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: So I just thought grandma Lily, because when you describe her how she's in the book she's 75, I think 70s.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: But she's, still she's still, you know, very youthful and Dana Delaney is sort of the one who she's in her late 60s, so she's not too far off that age.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: But I just couldn't see her as a grandmother, her like she doesn't have grandmother on her but I think she has sassy mom and then Kim and to law, so she's a little bit older than Chloe, so she needs a mom who would her grandmother, you know couldn't be, would be 40 years older, so that'd be to real quick, you know young, which you know can happen.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: But I just recast it now with Dana Delaney and because I would love to see Dana, dana Delaney and something again.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: But if I did go with grandma Lily, and which is funny because I think they're only like two years apart, but it just shows you, I guess, how somebody could probably pull it off versus like I don't think Dana Delaney could pull off grandmother, but Mary Steen version, who I thought she could be, you know she's late 60s, but I could see her sort of, because she's she's I don't want to say less glamorous, because but she she just could, I think, roll into being a very youthful, fun, quirky grandmother quite well.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of my favorite actors.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Older actresses, yeah like I think.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of math that, like I said, it would be a tight fit but I think she could.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: She could pull it off because she could play a little bit older than than her real age.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: So so that would be for grandma Lily when I imagine her it's life, Danner.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: So I can see Mary Steve virgin kind of being in that same same little group.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I like you because what you do is you say you know what hallmark forget, your like little hallmark budgets.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: We have box, yeah, we have HBO money to to do our casting.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: So I love it.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: But no say, well, heck, I don't know what Mary Steen merges in, or a day in the lane you would, would, would cost, so they would actually.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I mean they both had pretty successful.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: They were out of the budget range as well, but whatever.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: So that's my casting for your Jericho Falls.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: It's funny and I wait too lazy to actually look it up, but I kept wondering in my head if Jericho Falls is a real place or not.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: So thank you for clearing that up.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: No, it's a fictional little, at one time gold mining town, now tourist trap.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: So, and you know, living here in Arizona, we have a lot of those down there.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: We have Bisbee, we have Jerome, so we have a lot of them.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: So that's when you're describing it.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about some of the tombs.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: You talk about tombstone in there.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: You know I've been to tombstone, you know, several times.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: So I had a very like personal been to those places, type, feel for what, with that little old mining town, out tourist town really is.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: So I thought I could really, you know, match it quite well.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: So your last one.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Now, what's your last one?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: My last one.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: I did save this for last for a reason, because I have a very intentional reason for choosing it.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: But this is the Pepper Brooks cozy mysteries.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: There are six of them and these are by Aaron Scott, and Aaron is another one of those authors who have written several series that are this cute and probably you could pick any of them.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: But I have a reason.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: So this story is set around Pepper Brooks, who is an English major at a fictional Northwestern Washington University.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: It's near, supposedly near Seattle Washington, and each of these mysteries has a literary theme to it, featuring a different classic author.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: So there's one that's Shakespeare, one that's Hemingway, Jane Austen and etc.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: And book two in the series, I believe, is the Shakespeare title don't quote me, but I think that's it and it's called literally murder.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: So I think that needs to be the series.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: The show series name is literally murder, and then you have each one is based on a different classic author and my feeling is that this would be such a fun academia mystery to fit the bill and fill in for those of us who are missing our mystery 101.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Wait, mystery 101 is no longer.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I hadn't heard.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I'm right, right, I'm right, but so we get to be on a college campus, we get to do Sorry, I just I just joke, because it does not matter what we do Are on.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Our Instagram is just filled.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: We could be like what's the weather today where you live?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: And people will be like bring back mystery 101.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: They're just a broken record.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, we get a lot of mystery 101 conversation, so well, I share, because I'm one of the fans who wishes that there were more, so I'm going to recommend that we bring in pepperbrooks and do these literature mysteries to fill our need.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I've got to interrupt you, sorry, one second, going back to your very first or no, your second book, the, when we were talking, or was it your first book, the the Big Shot Mysteries?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: That was the first one you talked about.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: So, like I said, I didn't get all the way through.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: But where I did get through there was the one detective who's like the senior detective, who they call the professor, so Graham from mystery 101.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I thought they're Robin, what Robin Thomas, I'm like that's who they should cast Robin Thomas as the professor to bring him back, and he just seemed like that sort of whatever role.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: So I forgot to talk about that.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So, just for everyone knows, there's the Thomas is sort of like the junior detective who's the love interest in that triangle, but there's a senior detective who sort of is mentor, and so that's who I'm talking about.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: And they call him the professor.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Professor, because he looks like a professor, he's very, I guess he wears like kind of the Tweety things and all that.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: So sorry, I totally distracted because as soon as you were talking about that the mystery 101, I just had that flashback Getting back to now.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Getting back to Pepper and her mysteries.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Pepper is joined by hamburger or hammy her Boston terrier.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: So we've got a cute pet this is really important in hallmark shows and then a cute boyfriend, Alex Valdez, and then a quirky, fun roommate, Olivia.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: And Olivia and Alex play big parts in each of the, each of the shows, their recurring characters.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Sorry, is she a student then?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, pepper and Olivia.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: So those are.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: That's the setup for Pepperbrooks cozy mysteries that I think we retitle literally murder.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: And for the Pepperbrooks character, I am going to pick Bailey Madison.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: She's from Good Witch and Original Sin.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: I like her a lot.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I've liked her in things that I've seen her in otherwise too.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I think she's done some hallmark shows, Hasn't she?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Eric?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I know she's done Good Witch.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: I don't she's got to have been in something else, but she's, you know, up until recently she's been too young really to be like a love interest, but she's perfect age for this, so that's, I think that's.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: By the way, when I saw that I was like darn it, man I should have, but she's too young for any of the roles I had.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the other.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I mentioned in when we talked about Gemma Doyle, she's a little bit older, of a sleuth, which is fun, because we don't see that a lot.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: But this one is a little younger because they're in college, so we can go a little bit younger with our picks.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: And then for Alex Valdes, I didn't pick an Olivia.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: I don't have a feel for Olivia, but Alex Valdes is Diego Tanoco in my mind.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: He's from On the Block or Knights of Zodiac.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's just perfect for it.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: He's super cute.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: So do you know who I think would be great for the Olivia Even though I haven't read it is Olivia Steele Faulkner.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: She was the daughter for Benjman Ayres, Drew Godfrey character in the Chronicle Mysteries, and she was like really great.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: And for me, whenever there's teenagers in, or kids in general in Hallmark movies, it's usually like a red flag because they so rarely get it right.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: And she was one of the ones who I thought was great.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like with Bailey, who's kind of was too young really to sort of take on sort of another role, but now she is, you know, a few years later.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: So I think she would be perfect as like a college roommate, Now great.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Now I don't know Olivia's character, but I would just love to see her.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, her name's Olivia, anyhow, right.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't even have to learn a new name for her.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: It makes it easy, easy for her.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I'd love to see her in another role.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: And that's also one of the things with Good Witch I really liked because I thought the teenagers in that were great, like Bailey and I don't know what the kids, her James Denton's kids I forget what his name was but I thought they both did a really good job.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love Bailey.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they, when you get the teenagers wrong, it's really glaring, but I think it's getting better and better.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Like I think about who they cast for teenagers when we were young, eric watching shows and they were like 35 year olds, apparently going to high school yeah yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: At least that doesn't happen anymore.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I think with this Piper Brooks, this is one where you do have obviously get these up and comers because they're so they're, you know, college age kids, so you need that.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: You can't have the, you know the Nikki de Loach or something like that, who typically the typical hallmarks Luth and stuff.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: So I love it and I really also like that's one of the things I really enjoyed about the Aurora Tea Garden when they did the prequel with Scott or Samuels and they sort of went back to her being in grad school and this, the younger version, because you know, with some of these and you know it's going to border in ageism but I'm 55.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: So I can deal, you know whatever I'm talking about myself.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: But it just gets to a point where you do need younger because the storylines to have these, these you know romantic, romantic triangles going on or things like that as you get into your fifties, which is going to be ironic considering what I'm about to talk about, but it just you know it's it doesn't quite make sense, right.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: So you do need to have some more youthful and I like this because you're, you're going young so you can have like 10 years of you know, if they do a mystery a year.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: You could have like 10 years of it and they still will be in a good age, you know.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: They'll only be like mid thirties and so it's still the life, the life circumstances.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: For a lot of the plot still totally makes sense and I know it's all mark world, so they don't have to make sense.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: As we're talking about, we have people in their thirties who are always like the junior executive, where if you're really in your thirties and being a junior executive, dogs are going crazy.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: But if you're really in your thirties and being a junior executive, probably you know you miss the boat there.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: But whatever, all right, as I was just talking about ages and I said you need to have youthful.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: My last one is a British mystery that's already been turned into a British cozy mystery on acorn and that's Agatha Raisin.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: And when we did our British mysteries that we'd love to see turn into Hallmark, I talked about this, but I'm going to talk about the book.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: So the book and the, the movies they actually do, as I was saying earlier, how a lot of the times with Hallmark they don't follow the book very closely.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: In the Agatha Raisin, at least with the acorns, they do follow it pretty close, like they figure out what are all the major milestones.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: They hit them, they, you know they have to condense some things, but for the most part they stick pretty true to the path of the book.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: But this was written by MC Beaton, I believe the name is.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: And then the last couple there's a.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: There's 38 of them, 34 of them, excuse me, the writer has since died and her friend took over her.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe her mentee or something like that took over and has written the last three.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I believe it is four of them.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: But with this, the reason why I kind of like this one and I put it last is obviously it's already been made and so anyone who has acorn who's watched is going to have like, oh, I know who this character is.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So it's always hard to recast.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: But they did it in like you know a lot of shows, like the Office, they recast that and it was very successful over here with.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: You know, ricky Gervaisen and Michael Scott or Michael Scott's Steve Carell obviously are very different but you know they were able to recast it and make it very enduring.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: But the thing I like about this is kind of what we just talked about.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: It is basically around this woman, agatha Raisen, who's in her fifties, who basically had spent her whole life just focusing on work she's not very likable and she owned a PR firm and she just really drove it hard and lived in London was just the epitome of sort of the big city person who just was rude, I'm going to do what I want.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: And then she ends up in like I guess around 55, I think, deciding okay, I've made all my money.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: She always had this like ideal, like she came from very poor background and was self made and she always had this ideal thing of the Cotswolds I believe it's what it's called of, and like I'm going to retire there and it's like small town England and you know it's about two hours outside of London, I believe, from how they describe it by train or car.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: However, you're getting there and so she decides she's retiring there and so it's going to like the small town and she's this big brash woman who's coming in there and doesn't know how to interact with the small town.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: You know community and we've just talked about that and all these mysteries a lot of them are basically around small town, so even even the Sherlock Holmes one, which is Boston, but it's Cape Cod, you know it's West London, so it's not Boston per se, even though it's adjacent, and so this really is.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: They take them in there in this layer and so she's adjusting and at first she's just trying to steamroll all these people.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: She's not happy, she's like I know they're all being way too friendly and put off, and she's also the one who does not have a filter.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: And in the books it's kind of hard where she's definitely more unlikable in the books.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: The books are also, in my opinion, a little bit.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of little datedness in them where you know, look at it through a 2023 lens, they're not that old, I think they're like from the early 90s, but it's definitely looking at through a 2023 lens.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: You're like I can't really do that now, but when you look at how they adjusted it for the Acorn series, you can definitely adapt and I think with the books, like I say, there's 34 of them, so you can keep going.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I just really like the way that Agatha so basically, the first one is Agatha is in this.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: She moved to the small town and she's trying to adapt and they're having a quiche contest and so Agatha is like well, I don't know how to cook, but what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to this great I guess there's like key stores in England and buy this like from the best key store, buy this quiche, put my name on it and enter the contest and I'm sure to win.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: And so she does that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: She ends up not winning because the winner was this woman who was had some sort of relationship with the judge guy and so they were kind of, even though he was married, they kind of had a little thing on the side and lo and behold, so she's all like, how did I not win?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: And of course he ends up dead and she's the first suspect.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: And so basically, as she's trying to clear her name, it comes out that she indeed bought her quiche.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: And when you're in a little town and you buy your quiche, that does not.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: That's like more of a of of you know, a horror than the murder, basically of cheating in the quiche contest.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: And so you know, a lot of it is about her adapting and trying to settle into the community and her just learning how to be around people who are nice and her to like somewhat soften up.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: And then there's a love interest, of which in the books is not very healthy, because Agatha very much sort of gives up herself and even though she's never cared about love, she was married to a guy for a very short time when she was very young, who turned out to be an alcoholic and she disliked them and so she hadn't seen them in years and years and she was assumed he was dead and moved on and hadn't seen them in like 30s, 40 years, whatever, so 30 years.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: But then there's Miss James Lacey, who's her next-door neighbor, who she becomes just like basically in love with the idea of love, and he's not very, he's very British, so he's like very proper and so he's just all the things that she does to try to please him.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: He kind of are like you know, you can't do it, but in the movie, in the movie in acorn, they basically and I think Ashley Jensen is the, the actress who plays her does a fantastic job, and I think it's a little easier to take the words when and it's kind of like with you know, with your book, when you see Chloe sometimes and you read it, it's very, you're reading it and you're putting everything in your own brain and you're like creating that, that situation, whereas when it's on the screen you have someone else who's acting it and so she's able to actually Jensen's.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Take this like gruff character who you at first year you would like in the book.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: You just don't like her a lot, but do it in a way that kind of can be endearing and with her inflection of her voice or like her mannerisms it's you kind of chuckle at it and it's not as off-putting as it is in the book.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I think that would be very, very key to turning this book in.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: But the mysteries are all really they're fantastic cozy mysteries, like I said, and there's an abundance of them.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like you're talking about.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: You know you have this steady stream of characters who come through.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Some of them are local.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure I'd want to live there because a lot of people do die for being in the little town which are most of these.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: You know kind of like Aurora Teagarden, how many people she discovers dead.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Like I would not want to be her friend.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: But just in general it's just it's a really good series.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: I think they go in a bunch of different directions and then just the the ensemble cast is also fantastic in this.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: So I think it just gives a lot of depth to it to be able to make a series of them, because that's one of the things like, when you do have just the limited two characters main characters it kind of I don't wanna say it becomes repetitive.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: But when you just have this nice big bevy of characters, it just makes it, I think, a little bit more fun, because sometimes one character may have a really big role and the next one you don't really see much of them, and it just keeps things fresh and because, especially if you wanna have a bunch of them so this is one, though, that you have read some of right- I've read some and I've seen the acorn production and I would agree with everything you said.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: I think that the acorn shows I did find myself laughing and finding the books funny, but I really found them funny on screen and I think part of what helps make her more likeable is cause she's also a little bit.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: She's funny and you laugh at her.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: She's almost that hot mess thing that we talked about from your earlier pick, and so I found that I did like her and I thought I found the scenarios funny, which is a very like British cozy feel and a lot of stereotypes with the preacher and his wife, and that I love those like English stereotypes that we get to see too.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: So I think it'd be great.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be a lot of fun.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to go over there's from the main characters.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: There's Agatha Raisin, who I've talked about.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Then there's James Lacey, who he's a retired British colonel who's sitting there and he's wanting to write his this book on some old British military history and so he's always working on that.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: There's Bill Wong, who's the constable who is in the book, very different than in the movie.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: In the book they describe him as being this Buddha-esque looking body, and in the acorn production he's a fit, trim guy.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: But he's a younger guy who in the beginning of the series he's got a crush on Agatha, who is older than him.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: And then Roya Silver is her old assistant who is back in London, but he keeps coming out.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: He's a very flamboyant gay guy who is just kind of whenever she should have somebody who like maybe keeps her in line, it's not Roy Silver, because he'll push her to do the crazy thing rather than keeping her out.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: It's like the thing of like, oh, who's your best friend who's going to keep you out of trouble, versus your best friend who's going to be there sitting next to you in the jail cell?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: He's going to be the one who's next to her in the jail cell.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: And in the book, though where it's different is there's a little more antagonistic role between him and her.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: But the other thing is, what's interesting in the book is she never had friends, so she was just all about her business.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And Roy Silver was just happened to be a guy who worked there who didn't particularly like her.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: They sort of through, I think, using each other, had this relationship in the book, whereas in the acorn production they're a little more.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: It does start out there, but they're definitely more friendly, I think, which lends itself, I think, more for the cozy mystery.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: And then, while there's, like I said, there's a whole bunch of characters, I have Sarah Bloxy who is the vicar's wife and she's a big role in the acorn, but she also in the book.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: She's kind of, I would say, agatha's best friend who turns into her best friend, because she's just the one person who is kind of like your brie, right, but in a little more mature way because she's, whatever, a vicar's wife and she's British, but she's just very optimistic.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: She sees the good in almost everybody.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: She sort of when Agatha has these moral dilemmas and she can always think what would Sarah do, and Sarah's kind of like a guiding force for her.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: And then in this acorn series, she, with each season, gets a bigger and bigger role.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: He helps Agatha figure out how to live in this small town.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: She's that guiding light for her a little bit.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: I like that character.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: And Agatha early on is not particularly well.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: She's not particularly nice to anybody but she's not particularly nice to her.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: But she's patient enough to sort of win her over and becomes very much, I would say, liked by Agatha.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: So that's sort of the core group of characters that I focused on for this.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: And I had the hardest time getting Agatha because I could not get Ashley Jensen out of my head right, and while I say let's just bring her over and have her continue it, I did want to Americanize it right.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: So we're not, instead of being over in London, leaving London and going to Cotsworth, we're kind of doing the more like we're in some bigger city in New York and going out to some upstate New York kind of place or something like that.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Or Boston and going out to Amherst or one of the things like that.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: So I did Americanize it rather than trying to keep it in a British location because also Hallmark, I think they could do a mystery here and there.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: They could never sustain.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I guess I had a little realism there.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: They could never sustain on a broad mystery of doing it pretty much anything out of multi-scenes.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: But so for Agatha I have, and it came to me this morning I had so many like as I was going through.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: I had one person, then I changed it, then another one, then another one, and then just came to me this morning while I was walking my dogs.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: But I probably will pronounce her name terrible at the beginning, but Malera Hardin.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: She was from the office.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: She was not loved, classified, and part of the reason why is I think she just brings that sort of can, be, very curt but somehow likable to me.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: She was just perfect.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Now did you go through and give any of these some thought?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: But I like this because and I don't mean this in a bad way, but she could almost be her character from the office Remember Michael's girlfriend, right, and she was his boss and so you can really imagine her being that person who is just all business, but yet you like her and she's gonna grow on you and she can also be funny.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Clearly she played in a comedy for how many years?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: So I think that that I think it's a great pick and she's exactly the right age group.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Right, and that's the thing of trying to find.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I had some, and once again, it's hallmark.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: We can adjust up and down if we need to.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: She's exactly the same age, so, which is exactly the same age as me too.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: It just that came to me and then when I looked up how old she was, I was like, oh perfect, this is awesome.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I loved it Because, yes, I mean just quite frankly, she can pull off bitchy very well and that's kind of Agatha, but she's endearing and she, you know, it's kind of like your, you know your Chloe is.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: You realize that one of the things with Agatha too is she has this very gruff I'm business but exterior.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: But you realize what it is and explain this in the books.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: It's because she had this very poor upbringing and so she was always felt like she was not good enough.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: So even when she was running this major PR and she had all the money she could need, she always still felt like the outsider, she was not part of the, you know, the fancy people, and so that is a big thing of her insecurities that do drive her.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, we were talking before with Chloe how she gets in her own way.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: That's a big part of what gets in.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: You know, agatha's way is this young, deep-rooted insecurities.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: And she never had love.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Her parents were not very loving Her first.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: You know her husband of I think he was only a husband for a few months.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: You turned into you know the raging alcoholic he was, you know not loving.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: So she never really had love and never sought it.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: So she doesn't really know how to deal with it and, like I say, she has this very unrealistic expectation of what it is In the movie in the acorn.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: I think she's a little bit better.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Well, she's a lot better, I should say, because in the book she's a sometimes darn right, God, awful, horrible.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: My James Lacey, who's the neighbor, the military retiree, that one I actually came to pretty easy for me and that was James Denton.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: You know we're talking a little good wife or good witch, excuse me.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: He was, you know, her husband in that.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: He also was in several different Hallmark movies.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: I just thought he was perfect, for he's a little bit older than her but he just has that sort of I could have been a retired.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: You know, colonel, feel to him.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: He's also got a little bit of a charm In the book.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: He's not very charming.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: He's very stoic and like stiff upper lip kind of guy, whereas definitely James Lacey in the movies is definitely a softer character.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Everyone in the in the in the acorns are softer characters, but I went with James Denton for James Lacey.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: That's who I like like erect tall, then any like military man?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, exactly.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, sarah Block's, the vicar's wife, who, as I said, is that sort of moral compass but at the same time she's also funny in kind of a disarming nice way.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: So she's not like rip roaring funny, but she's just very fun.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: And so for that one I went with the K drumman who was in the flower shop mysteries.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: She was Nikki, who was Abby's best friend, and I just thought she would be perfect in that role of just sort of being that moral compass and still funny and likable character with that.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: And I just want to see, I loved her in flower shop mysteries and want to see her back in hallmark, so I thought this would be a perfect role for her.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: I think she's really a good pick because she's like she's soft, you know, like she can be like a soft spoken kind of a person, and that's kind of how I imagine that character.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: And I also think she's like so pretty that she's the kind of pretty that you don't have to put any makeup on.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Really, you know, or she would appear to be like fresh faced, which also I think that the vicar's wife is just like such a natural kind of a woman, and so I like that.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: Bill Wong was a tough one and partly because I'm torn between the book, the Buddha-esque Bill Wong, and then the acorn Bill Wong, and I ended up staying with the acorn one because once again we're making movies and with movies you got to be more charming and so I went with that.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I gave in and I went with Shannon Kuk I believe that's how you pronounce his last name.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: He was in my was it Big Fat Christmas Family or something like that the holiday movie last year.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: He just is a good looking, charming, got a great smile and that he I thought he would just be good.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: He's in the right age group.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: I just had this vision of him, you know, having the crush on Malera or however you pronounce her name.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: I thought he could do that just wonderfully and I could say he was great.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: So I love to see him back again and I could say it gives us a little bit of diversity in that.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: I like that too.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: And another idea I have for him, because I'm with you, I think I would go with more the acorn characterization.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: I also like Henry Golding.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: He was from, I believe, crazy rich Asians, yes, and he was in Snake Eyes.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: A lot of times he plays a bad guy, but I would love to see him in this role.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: You know when the bad guys are, you know turn out to be good people in some of the stuff.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: You see their range and stuff.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: So that's a good one, that's a very good one.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: My last character and this is one like, kind of like Tracy Doton, who I just really like, always in a supporting role, but can never get enough of him, and whenever he's on screen he's always just knocks it out of the park.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: And so for Roy Silver, I have Maddie Fino Ricci, fini Riccio, however he pronounces last name.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: He was in the holiday sitter.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I think he was the brother, if I'm not mistaken, or cousin, I forget where he was.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: He was in Welcome to Mama's.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: He was, you know, worked at the restaurant there.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: He was in the perfect kiss.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: So he's always like, you know, that secondary character and part of it is he has that sort of like good angular face because Roy has just like a sharp wit to him and I just think he could pull that off just marvelously.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I think this is right up his alley.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: I think he's a great pick.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Eric, I think he would pull it off and I think that that is more realistic.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: But since I've been doing these knock it out of the park picks the whole day, I'm going to just throw in Zachary Kinto as a as a OK just in.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Let's just go for another big name, but it's the same.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I see them kind of similarly, like you say, like they're the angular face that they can and they can be really over the top funny and just take that role all the way.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: You know it's a snark.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: That's what it is.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: He's like snarky.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: It can be snarky.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: He can be snarky, and that's what we need, right.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: All right, there we go.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: We talked about a lot of them.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: I hopefully people listening listen to them and if they probably, you know the chance of becoming Hallmark movies.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I like to say we have a lot of influence over there, but the reality is maybe we don't.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: But regardless, these are ones that we think could really be great Hallmark movies.
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  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we would highly recommend that you go ahead and, whether you do an audible of them or you go ahead and do old paperback and read it, would recommend it regardless of if it hits the not the big screen, I guess the small screen, so we call TV, I guess you know whether it becomes a movie or not.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're really enjoyable books to, to to give a read to as well.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely Give them a shot, I think you'll you'll like them all.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: All right, all right.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to put you in the spot here.
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  Speaker 1: Of all the ones we talked about, what's the one character that you think we nailed?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: And you can pick your own, don't?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: You don't have to be modest.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: What's the one character you think we we totally nailed the most?
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to have to just make it easy, because I'm so excited about Travis Van Winkle being Chief Garner.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: I just think that it's just perfect, eric.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you and once again I'm being, I'm being selfish, but I guess I, I, he is it and how, how?
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: He was not in your head.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: He had to be subconsciously, what was it?
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: The Mary Mary, all the way, or would I forget with the one with him and Rachel Lee Cook, the Christmas movie.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: You had to have like just watch that or something like that when you started writing and subconsciously you wrote it.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: You you're unaware, but you had just watched that and so there you go.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: That had to be it, and now I want to go watch one of his movies.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Well, moving on.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: So why don't you tell people how they can find you, all the different places they are to follow you?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: I, I enjoy following you, to be sure, with them.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can find out all about me, my books and the podcast at my website, which is just brookpetersonauthorcom.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: And then I'm most active on social media, on Facebook and Instagram, and I'm just at Brooke Peterson author both of those places.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: And then your podcast is called what Again.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Clued in Mystery and it's available on any of your favorite apps.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: So we're on Apple and Google and Spotify and all over the place.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: You can also just go to our website and listen there, which is cluedinmysterycom.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Ok, and every Tuesday, but you're on hiatus.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: when you coming back, we are coming back, our first episode releases that first week of September and we're going to be talking about our summer reading, what we read over this summer, and kind of give some book recommendations All right, just one little tiny hint.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: What was one thing you've read this summer?
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I read Murder your Employer, and it was good Murder.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Your Employer.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: It's really good.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: I would say it is like Lemony Snickets for Adults.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: It's like this whole onion peak thing.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: The premise is that you go to this special university to learn how to take out that one person in your life that doesn't need to be around anymore.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: It's great, awesome.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll have to look forward to that one, so OK, well, thank you very much for being on.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: I wish you a great rest of your day.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Happy sleuthing reading.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know what we call what we call it, but enjoy all of yours, and I can't wait to listen to that podcast where you break down those.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: That summer reading.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: That sounds awesome.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me on it was a pleasure.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: I hope we can do it again sometime.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll host you next time, Eric.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: That'd be great.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me All right, thank you, goodbye.