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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'm Gonna Make It Right
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Speaker 1: tonight Tonight tonight. Oh. Addition, as the Bengals look to
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Speaker 1: improve to three and one tonight as they host Urban
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Speaker 1: Meyers Win List Jacksonville Jaguars on Thursday Night Football. Coming up,
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Speaker 1: I'll go one on one with wide receiver Jamar Chase,
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Speaker 1: who is off to an incredible start as an NFL rookie.
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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham joined me to discuss the latest Bengals news
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Speaker 1: and share some keys to beating the Jags. I'll catch
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Speaker 1: up with NFL Network host Colleen Wolf, who is in
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Speaker 1: town tonight to host the NFL Game Day kickoff show.
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Speaker 1: And finally, it's our No the Faux segment as we
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Speaker 1: discussed the oh and three Jags with Jacksonville sports columnist
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Speaker 1: Gene Frenette. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Bud Light.
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Speaker 1: thing since the Ring of Honor tribute video. At halftime
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Speaker 1: of tonight's game, the Bengals will induct their inaugural Ring
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Speaker 1: of Honor class, made up of Paul Brown, Anthony Munio's,
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Speaker 1: Ken Anderson, and Ken Riley. If you haven't watched it already,
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Speaker 1: you have to check out the seventeen minute and thirty
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Speaker 1: second video called Best in Class that can be found
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Speaker 1: on Bengals dot com and YouTube. It was written and
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Speaker 1: narrated by Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson, and it's
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Speaker 1: a tremendous history lesson on this year's Ring of Honor class.
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Speaker 1: Don't take my word for it, watch it as soon
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Speaker 1: as you finish this podcast. Now, let's get to my guests,
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Speaker 1: beginning with Jamar Chase, who last week became the ninth
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Speaker 1: player in history to catch a touchdown pass and each
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Speaker 1: of his first three NFL games. Jamar, here's my first
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Speaker 1: hard hitting question, how the heck did you hold on
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Speaker 1: to that long touchdown pass last week? Because it looked
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Speaker 1: like you caught the back third of the football, just
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Speaker 1: all the ball hand out coordination and concentrating on the
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Speaker 1: ball and it was following it all the way through
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Speaker 1: the catch, so ended up holding on to a thing.
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Speaker 1: Got out of here it. That touchdown pass came with
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Speaker 1: thirty seven seconds left in the half. And here's how
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow described it after the game quote, Jamar came
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Speaker 1: up to me before that play and said, just throw
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Speaker 1: it up to me, just throw it. Did that really happen?
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Speaker 1: And if so, why did you tell him that? Uh? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that did happen. I told him if I had forty
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Speaker 1: two him and just throw it up. I only told
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Speaker 1: him that because I've seen the first time of previous play.
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Speaker 1: We ran the same play, and I told him what
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Speaker 1: I've seen from the exact same last place. I was
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Speaker 1: like about through it again. I just throw it this
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Speaker 1: time and I know if it's surely don't work. So
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Speaker 1: capitalized on it. Great call, great catch. We're visiting with
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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. So that touchdown pass stung the fans in
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh because the Steelers had tied the game and then
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Speaker 1: twenty seven seconds later you score the touchdown. Can you
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Speaker 1: describe what it's like to shut up a road crowd? Well,
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Speaker 1: it was quiet, and that feel like the home game.
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Speaker 1: Almost when we had the ball, they started making a
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Speaker 1: little noise on the offense on defensive side when the
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Speaker 1: defense got out there, So that just means some of
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Speaker 1: our fans got out got Pistoburgh's fans going along with us,
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Speaker 1: so it was good. Let's get to your second touchdown catch.
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Speaker 1: We heard after the game that you were Joe Burrows
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Speaker 1: fifth read. How unusual is it to see the ball
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Speaker 1: when you're the fifth read on a play, right, as
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Speaker 1: usually we have something for it. Of course, that's why
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Speaker 1: I'm the fifth read. I'm just worked trying to work
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Speaker 1: my way across the fields and make sure I'll stay
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Speaker 1: in the play, make sure if the players keeps going
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Speaker 1: that I'm in Joe's view. Um, I actually didn't see
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Speaker 1: Joe at all. I've just seen the ball come out
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Speaker 1: of his hands and that's all I seen was the
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Speaker 1: ball flying in the air and had to be at me.
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Speaker 1: That was a tribute to the offensive line right for
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Speaker 1: hit them to give that kind of protection. Shout out
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Speaker 1: I said. I definitely get him a shout out doing
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Speaker 1: my interview at the last game, though, those buzz held
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Speaker 1: it down for chatting with Jamar Chase. You beat a
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Speaker 1: three time Pro Bowl around that play. Joe Hayden. Is
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Speaker 1: it a big deal for you to compete against guys
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Speaker 1: you grew up watching on TV? Oh? Yeah, definitely, just
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Speaker 1: because of you know, just experience I'm in right now. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, I can't wait to grold and tell my kids,
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Speaker 1: you know, grandkids and stuff like that. But um, it's
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Speaker 1: just a blessing, you know what I'm saying, just to
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Speaker 1: watch those guys m be Hall of Fame famous talk
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Speaker 1: about and and you know, have the opportunity to go
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Speaker 1: against them and work my craft. So h it's just
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Speaker 1: something you gotta be tick part of and love battling
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Speaker 1: growing old. It's not all it's cracked up to be. Trusting.
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the preseason when you were uncharacteristically
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Speaker 1: dropping some passes. Every receiver drops balls. But have you
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Speaker 1: ever had a stretch like that? Uh No, Nah, not really. Um,
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Speaker 1: I've always caught my pass when they were here to me. Um,
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Speaker 1: majority of time. If I'm wide open, I did want
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Speaker 1: in a CHAMPI been shipped. I let the ball come
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Speaker 1: to track to me too close and messed up my
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Speaker 1: fingers on that play. But no, not too often. When
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Speaker 1: people ask me about you during the preseason, I said
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Speaker 1: I'm not worried for two reasons. Number One, there's no
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Speaker 1: history of it. Number Two, I've never seen a guy
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Speaker 1: catch more passes after practice than you do, whether it's
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Speaker 1: out the jugs machine or from quarterbacks. It's crazy. Did
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Speaker 1: you do that even more than usual this training camp?
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Speaker 1: Or is that the norm for you? That's actually pretty normal.
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Speaker 1: When I was at LSU, I was always doing it
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Speaker 1: after practice too, sometimes before practice, just to get my
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Speaker 1: hands going. I know on Mondays in college, I used
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Speaker 1: to do no glove Monday just to get my hands
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Speaker 1: prepare for the rest of the day. So it's Thursday
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Speaker 1: night football this week, your first NFL prime time game.
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Speaker 1: What's this mean to you? Just means another game on
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Speaker 1: the list, you know, just a different day, earlier day.
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Speaker 1: Just gotta get in my film, get on the plays, Michelle,
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Speaker 1: I execute the right way and just concentrateing have ton
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Speaker 1: of vision into this game. In high school and college,
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Speaker 1: you don't play two games in five days. How challenging
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Speaker 1: is that? That's pretty exciting to be honest, just to
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Speaker 1: have this transition change that fast. I woke up today
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Speaker 1: like what is today really? When I walked in the building,
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Speaker 1: because I realized it was so fast, but you gotta
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Speaker 1: like it, you know what I'm saying. I'm pretty excited
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Speaker 1: about this game, just because it's a Thursday game, and
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just happening so fast for me, so
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Speaker 1: I'm excited for it. You look like you're having a blast,
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Speaker 1: are you. Yeah. I am having fun. Joe even told
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Speaker 1: me this is fun. So as long as Joe having fun,
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Speaker 1: I'm having fun. The offense having fun. Defense is flying
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Speaker 1: around having fun. It's gonna be a great football team.
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Speaker 1: We're having fun watching. Congratulations on a great start. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you. If Jamar catches a touchdown
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Speaker 1: pass tonight, he'll join Martavis Bryant, Dante Stalworth, and Charlie
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Speaker 1: Brown as the only players in history with touchdown catches
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Speaker 1: and each of their first four NFL games. Not that
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Speaker 1: Charlie Brown, this one was a two time Pro bowler
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Speaker 1: for Washington. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Bud
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Speaker 1: Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with a hint of
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Speaker 1: fruit flavor. Now time to discuss some of the key
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Speaker 1: storylines heading into tonight's game with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham.
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Speaker 1: Lap Your first NFL coach and three of your former
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Speaker 1: teammates make up the first Ring of Honored class that
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Speaker 1: will be inducted at halftime on Thursday. Do I need
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Speaker 1: to have some cleanex available in the broadcast booth? It
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Speaker 1: is going to be a very special night, for sure,
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Speaker 1: you know. I think it's it's long overdue celebration of
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Speaker 1: their greatness. And the first class is just no brainer,
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Speaker 1: unbelievable accomplishments. And the common denominator is, as we said
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Speaker 1: many times for as great coach, player, et cetera, that
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Speaker 1: they were top notch, you know, quality human being that
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Speaker 1: has done not things for their fashion, but things for humanity,
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Speaker 1: you know, things for society, things for the world. And
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Speaker 1: Paul Brown was always one that was very interested in
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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do when you're done with football?
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Speaker 1: He'd tell us all the time, men, football, this is
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Speaker 1: just a short phase of your life. When you're done
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Speaker 1: playing football, you're gonna be young people. You'll still be
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Speaker 1: in your early thirties for the most part, maybe even
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Speaker 1: younger than that. What are you going to do with yourself?
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Speaker 1: What are you going to do? How are you going
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Speaker 1: to be successful? And he always monitored and track guys,
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Speaker 1: and he'd be extremely proud of these three guys going
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Speaker 1: into the Ring of Honors man. They accomplished even more
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Speaker 1: probably or at least as much when they were done playing,
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Speaker 1: as they did when they played. And it's not just
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Speaker 1: about Paul Brown and those three players. This week, nearly
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Speaker 1: forty members of the nineteen eighty one Super Bowl team
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Speaker 1: will also be celebrated. The fortieth anniversary of that season
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Speaker 1: is obviously this year. I know, coming up short in
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl still stings, But twelve teams have never
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Speaker 1: won one. Four teams have never been to one forty
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Speaker 1: years later. Is there a different bond between a team
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Speaker 1: that made it to a Super Bowl and the other
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Speaker 1: ones that you played on? Yeah? I think I think
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Speaker 1: that even though getting over the bitterness of losing the
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Speaker 1: biggest game in your life and not playing well, that's
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Speaker 1: the thing that bothers you. I mean, if you had,
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Speaker 1: if you had played lights out and you lost, because
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Speaker 1: you know, they were just so that team was on
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Speaker 1: that day and they were great, you know, I think
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Speaker 1: I think it might be easier to accept. But we
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Speaker 1: outgained them, you know, we thought we were the better
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Speaker 1: football team. That the self destruction part of it just
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Speaker 1: man just stays with you. It's like we just had
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Speaker 1: taken care of business on our end of things and
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Speaker 1: not put ourselves on our schedule, probably be walking around
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Speaker 1: with super Bowl rings rather than just AFC Championship rings.
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Speaker 1: But I do think that that that AFC Championship the
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Speaker 1: first one enfranchise history that this team, to me, the
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Speaker 1: eighty one Super Bowl sixteen is just like a part
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Speaker 1: of it and it's not a successful part of it
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Speaker 1: memory wise, but this team was the first team to
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Speaker 1: win a playoff game, the first team to win an
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Speaker 1: NFC championship, And that's the thing that I think I
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Speaker 1: am very proud of, and I know a lot of
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Speaker 1: other guys that I'm friends with on the team are
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Speaker 1: extremely proud of, and that the eighty one Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: to have the freezea Bowl connotation. You know, it's a
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Speaker 1: unique special game. It's a very historic NFL game because
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Speaker 1: of the weather conditions and everything. To be part of
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Speaker 1: that is you know, something telling my grandkids about, for
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Speaker 1: example today. So I can't believe it's forty years but
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Speaker 1: Father Time's undefeated. Man, there's no doubt except for Tom Brady,
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady one, and oh versus father time so far.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to this year's team two and
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Speaker 1: one after last week's big win in Pittsburgh. I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about the defense. Sixth in points allowed, fifth
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Speaker 1: in yards per run aloud, fourth in yards per pass
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Speaker 1: attempt allowed, which speaks to how good they've been in
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Speaker 1: every phase. When did you start to think that this
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Speaker 1: group it's going to be pretty darn good? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean when we were watching training camp, Damn, We're like,
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Speaker 1: is the defense that good? Or is the offense that bad?
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Speaker 1: You know, and you're going again, They're going against each
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Speaker 1: other every day, and so it's hard to it's hard
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Speaker 1: to draw any conclusions until they start playing other other opponents.
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Speaker 1: But come to find out on defensive line and is
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Speaker 1: very good. I mean, and I think it's going to
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Speaker 1: be a very interesting challenge for them in this football
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Speaker 1: game on Thursday night because I think the Jacksonville Jaguars
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Speaker 1: interior their centers good man, that's a salty dude. He's
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Speaker 1: a hell of a player. And the guards are adequate.
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Speaker 1: They're they're very solid NFL players. I think the Bengals
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Speaker 1: advantage is at tackling tight end, you know, on the edge.
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Speaker 1: So the big defensive tackles, which that's that's the thing
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Speaker 1: that impressed us is watch them. It's so big. I mean,
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Speaker 1: nobody Bengals aren't moving them or other people are going
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Speaker 1: to be able to move them. Nobody's really been able
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Speaker 1: to move them all that much. As you mentioned the
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Speaker 1: numbers in the in the running game, no running back
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Speaker 1: is gotten over sixty one yards against them, and they're
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Speaker 1: going to be challenged this week. You know, Robinson is
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Speaker 1: a is a hell of a back and you know,
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Speaker 1: uh Hides a great one as well, and they're really
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Speaker 1: good between the tackles, running their their duo's inside zone
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Speaker 1: and you know, draw plays and things that nature. So
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Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting. But I think I think
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Speaker 1: what they did in free agency with the defensive line
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Speaker 1: and making the commitment to the young linebackers is really
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Speaker 1: starting to pay off. I mean that the young linebacker corps,
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Speaker 1: of course, led by Logan Wilson Um he's six in
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Speaker 1: the NFL and tackles with thirty and you know, he's
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Speaker 1: got three interceptions as leaves all linebackers tied for the
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Speaker 1: lead in the National Football League overall playmaker. And I
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Speaker 1: think that combination of you know, getting these upper crusted
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Speaker 1: defensive linemen and free agency and supplementing it in the
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Speaker 1: draft for for depth. Uh, and then and then getting
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Speaker 1: those young linebackers in the draft and committing to them,
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Speaker 1: and um, you know, coach Al Golden has done a
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Speaker 1: hell of a job with that line linebacker group. He's
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Speaker 1: really brought them along big time. So yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think the defensive front seven is playing really well,
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Speaker 1: and with the injuries that they've got on the back
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Speaker 1: end for this football game, that front seven is going
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Speaker 1: to be big and uh. And then offensively, it's their responsibility.
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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, we talk about it. Guys. Look,
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Speaker 1: our defense is beaten up. You know, we got to
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Speaker 1: stay on the field. We got to control the clock,
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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, the game. You know, they they've
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Speaker 1: played eighty seven snaps. We played forty two. Come on,
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Speaker 1: let's we gotta we gotta step up. It's time for
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Speaker 1: the offense to get something done. And the best offense
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Speaker 1: is a best defense is a real good offense is
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Speaker 1: keeping the defense off the field. So let's talk about
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Speaker 1: the offense currently middle of the pack and points scored
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Speaker 1: per game, partly because they played it safe with a
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Speaker 1: big lead in the second half last week. What's the
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Speaker 1: next step that you would like to see out of
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Speaker 1: this offense. I'd still like to see, you know, even
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Speaker 1: more consistency, and I think on both sides of the
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Speaker 1: football third down aggressiveness, you know, I think I think
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Speaker 1: that there can be they're leaving some things on the
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Speaker 1: table on third down. Defensively, the posture has been more
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Speaker 1: of soft zones, let him make a catch, rally up
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Speaker 1: on the football, you know, and you see guys catch
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Speaker 1: football on a third and seven, five or six yards
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Speaker 1: down the field and you have to make a perfect tackle,
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Speaker 1: you know, to stay out, you know, to get off
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Speaker 1: the football field. So it's going to be interesting to see.
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Speaker 1: With injuries in the in the secondary, it's going to
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Speaker 1: be interesting to see what Luna UMA's mindset is going
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Speaker 1: to be. Do I even play it more soft because
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Speaker 1: of these guys? Or am I more aggressive and make
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Speaker 1: the quarterback make quicker decisions to help you know, some
14:35
Speaker 1: guys that haven't had as many snaps in the back
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Speaker 1: end as guys that have been back there. So it's
14:39
Speaker 1: going to be interest to see which way the pendulum
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Speaker 1: swings a little bit. But again, a big help could
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Speaker 1: be offensively, sustain drives, stay on the field, you know,
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Speaker 1: make stay in third and four or less and be
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Speaker 1: aggressive when it's third and four or less and rack
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Speaker 1: up the plays, keep the defense off the field. Now
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Speaker 1: that you've seen some tape, how did Jackson Carmen do
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Speaker 1: in his first NFL start? Jackson Carmen belonged, I think,
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Speaker 1: is the best way to put it. And I remember
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was thinking going into my first
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Speaker 1: NFL game. I just want my teammates and coaches to think,
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Speaker 1: this guy he should be there. He belongs, you know,
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Speaker 1: and not be a fish in the offensive line where
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Speaker 1: you're getting taking advantage of him. People are picking on you,
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Speaker 1: and everybody can't wait to line up against you and
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Speaker 1: pass rush against your kind of thing. And now was
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Speaker 1: it perfect? Now? I mean, Jackson had a communication issue
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Speaker 1: that led to a sack in the early stages of
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Speaker 1: the game, and there were some other things that weren't,
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Speaker 1: you know, necessarily exactly the way you want him. But overall,
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Speaker 1: he definitely showed like he belonged. And you know, I
15:47
Speaker 1: remember after my first NFL start, Paul Brown came up
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Speaker 1: to me in my locker and just shocked the heck
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Speaker 1: out of me when I looked up and it was
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Speaker 1: Paul Brown and he was a young man. I'm proud
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Speaker 1: of you. The game wasn't too big for you. That's good.
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Speaker 1: We thought that might be the case, and you proved
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Speaker 1: us right. So I was like, Wow, that was like
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Speaker 1: a million bucks. So I think he should feel like
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Speaker 1: the game wasn't too big for him. He belongs. He's
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Speaker 1: right where we should be playing in the National Football League.
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Speaker 1: He has all the physical abilities to do it, but
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Speaker 1: just button up all of his assignments. Button everything up mentally.
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Speaker 1: You know, no laps is mentally that lead to physical problems.
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Speaker 1: So here we go Thursday night football in Week four
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Speaker 1: of the season against the Jacksonville Jaguars. They're owing three
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Speaker 1: this year. They've lost eighteen in a row since winning
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Speaker 1: their season opener last year over the Colts. You mentioned
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Speaker 1: the offensive line is good, They've got a good running game.
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Speaker 1: Where are they week? What are the weak spots for Jacksonville? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I think they don't really have a tight
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Speaker 1: end threat. You know that, and they're trying to solve it.
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Speaker 1: They traded for Arnold you know this week now with
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Speaker 1: two days how much of a package can they put together,
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Speaker 1: will even be active for the game? You know, it
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Speaker 1: makes you wonder a bunch of things there. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I think obviously the turnover issue is what's killing him.
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Speaker 1: I had a rookie quarterback that's got nine giveaways, seven
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Speaker 1: interceptions and lost two fumbles, and their minus eight in
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Speaker 1: the turnover department dead less than the National Football League
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Speaker 1: after three games. So it's it's kind of like the
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Bakery is open and you can get three
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Speaker 1: for one every week. The turnovers. He's selling turnovers three
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Speaker 1: for one. But you know, you think I think at
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Speaker 1: some point they're going to simplify. You know, I talked
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Speaker 1: about this before. I remember doing college football Michael Bishop
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Speaker 1: when he's in Kansas State, and Bill Snyder said, you know, Dave,
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Speaker 1: I've got a guy that is going to be a
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Speaker 1: good quarterback, but right now he's an athlete more than
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. So I give him one read and I say, Michael,
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Speaker 1: if that's not there, tuck it and run. That's your
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Speaker 1: next best option. And then toward the end of the season,
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Speaker 1: the middle of the season, I should say I had
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Speaker 1: him again and I said, is there's still one reading?
17:57
Speaker 1: Go for Michael goes. It's too David, you know, you
17:59
Speaker 1: go one second, read, tuck it, and go. I don't
18:03
Speaker 1: think you have to go to the backside of the
18:04
Speaker 1: field the entire season. I wonder if they're going to
18:07
Speaker 1: do something like that, you know, with Trevor Lawrence. And
18:10
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to make it elementary, but I'm
18:12
Speaker 1: saying to take some of the some of the load
18:14
Speaker 1: off of them and uh and and see what they do.
18:18
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I don't think they're really a real
18:21
Speaker 1: good outside running team. Their strength of their running game
18:25
Speaker 1: is between the tackles. They do a good job with
18:27
Speaker 1: inside zone, not really outside zone or stretch inside zone duos.
18:32
Speaker 1: They will run counter, they will run a draw, you know.
18:35
Speaker 1: So I think their center and guards or solid, solid players,
18:42
Speaker 1: you know. Defensively, a linebacker, I think is the is
18:46
Speaker 1: the strength of their football team. I think the defensive line,
18:50
Speaker 1: the offensive line just has to I think, impose their
18:52
Speaker 1: will in this football game. With that defensive line, I
18:54
Speaker 1: think it's good, but I don't think it's like upper crust,
18:58
Speaker 1: you know, in the National Football League. So I think
19:01
Speaker 1: the Bengals need to establish their ground game and be
19:04
Speaker 1: more consistent, you know, established in that ground game. The
19:07
Speaker 1: Bengals right now are one of only five teams. Let
19:11
Speaker 1: me make sure that I get this right. I did
19:14
Speaker 1: some homework on this, Dan, and I want to make
19:16
Speaker 1: sure I get it right. The Bengals run the ball
19:19
Speaker 1: five more times than they've thrown it. They're one of
19:22
Speaker 1: four teams that have done that. Denver is even. They've
19:25
Speaker 1: run the ball exactly the same as they've thrown it,
19:27
Speaker 1: and they're three and ozer. So I put them in
19:29
Speaker 1: that pack. So there's four teams more and then Denver's even.
19:33
Speaker 1: Baltimore is plus ten, they're two and one. New Orleans
19:37
Speaker 1: is plus thirty. They're two and one. Cleveland's plus twenty two.
19:41
Speaker 1: They're two and one. The Bengals are plus five. They're
19:44
Speaker 1: two and one. Three AFC North teams are of the
19:49
Speaker 1: five that have at least even steven or run the
19:51
Speaker 1: ball more. So I think stay in that identity. Don't
19:56
Speaker 1: make Joe Burrow throw at thirty five forty times in
19:59
Speaker 1: a game. Pound pound the football, you know, establish yourself
20:03
Speaker 1: in that regard. Be physical. I thought their physicality in
20:06
Speaker 1: the offensive and defensive line in their two wins was
20:10
Speaker 1: superior and in their loss. It wasn't so how they
20:13
Speaker 1: going to come out in this football game Thursday night?
20:16
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be how did the big
20:18
Speaker 1: boys up front? Are they going to be more physical?
20:22
Speaker 1: Last thing? How big of an advantage is a Thursday
20:26
Speaker 1: night home game, big short week and you have to
20:31
Speaker 1: travel is very tough. Thursday night game is It's tough.
20:36
Speaker 1: That to turnaround is very tough, particularly if you were
20:40
Speaker 1: thirty or more. I remember, you know, but in my
20:44
Speaker 1: twenties day, I wouldn't even bother me to have to
20:45
Speaker 1: play a Thursday night game. I felt like I could
20:47
Speaker 1: play Tuesday after a Sunday game when I was you know,
20:50
Speaker 1: in early stages. You get up in the thirties door
20:53
Speaker 1: it's like oil can and I need all the way
20:56
Speaker 1: to that Saturday, start to feel real good physically, you know,
21:00
Speaker 1: and then start with these Thursday night things. So and
21:03
Speaker 1: then you have to travel to boot. If you're feeling
21:06
Speaker 1: kind of funky, you're gonna get on a plane and
21:08
Speaker 1: fly and get staff, you know, and off the plane.
21:10
Speaker 1: And I just think that it's, uh, you know, it's
21:13
Speaker 1: it's it's a much bigger advantage to sleep in your
21:16
Speaker 1: own bed and not have to travel and all that
21:18
Speaker 1: good stuff for that that Thursday night game. But I
21:22
Speaker 1: do think that there are injuries that that the Bengals
21:25
Speaker 1: and probably the Jaguars are experiencing. Then if we're a
21:28
Speaker 1: Sunday game, wouldn't be as big an issue for a
21:30
Speaker 1: Thursday night game. So that's that's the thing. I mean. Obviously,
21:35
Speaker 1: the league is getting a ton more money and the
21:37
Speaker 1: players are benefiting by that, But I know the players
21:39
Speaker 1: Association has their problems with Thursday night football for those reasons.
21:43
Speaker 1: You know, the player safety is their big thing, and
21:46
Speaker 1: guys playing Sunday Thursday isn't a big player of safety plus.
21:51
Speaker 1: It's a player safety minus. There's no doubt about it. Um.
21:55
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's the next game on the schedule,
21:59
Speaker 1: and then you get the benefit of the mini bye
22:01
Speaker 1: week the week after a longer week to rust and recover.
22:05
Speaker 1: But it is definitely a challenge. But like you say, Dan,
22:09
Speaker 1: I mean, traveling makes it exponentially more of a challenge
22:13
Speaker 1: in my mind than having to play at home. I'll
22:16
Speaker 1: have those Kleenex ready in the booth for halftime on Thursday.
22:19
Speaker 1: I may need two boxes tonight's game. Whilaire nationally on
22:23
Speaker 1: the NFL Network with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on
22:26
Speaker 1: the call. Kickoff is at eight twenty and two hours
22:30
Speaker 1: and twenty minutes before that, Michael Irvin, Joe Thomas, and
22:33
Speaker 1: Steve Smith Senior will be on the scene for the
22:36
Speaker 1: NFL Game Day Kickoff Show, and I spoke to the
22:38
Speaker 1: host of that show this week. NFL Game Day Kickoff
22:42
Speaker 1: coverage on NFL Network starts at six o'clock on Thursday night,
22:45
Speaker 1: and we are joined by the outstanding host of that show,
22:48
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf. Colleen, what are you looking forward to on Thursday?
22:53
Speaker 1: I'm obviously really excited to see these young quarterbacks. Joe Burrow.
22:56
Speaker 1: I love what he's been able to do with Jamar Chase.
22:59
Speaker 1: The connection just really seems to have carried over from
23:03
Speaker 1: college and we're seeing that now. The returns are very,
23:07
Speaker 1: very promising early on here. And you know, it was
23:10
Speaker 1: all and during draft season whether or not the Bengals
23:14
Speaker 1: should get an offensive lineman, and oh my god, they
23:17
Speaker 1: got a wide receiver and is that the right move?
23:19
Speaker 1: And maybe that still isn't the case, but it seems
23:22
Speaker 1: like everything is really working out in terms of the
23:25
Speaker 1: passing game for Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, and I
23:28
Speaker 1: just I really love these three wide receivers that the
23:31
Speaker 1: Bengals have there. I just think that they have so
23:33
Speaker 1: much talent. Even though Tehiggins he didn't play last week,
23:36
Speaker 1: but Tyler Boyd I love his SaaS. I love that
23:39
Speaker 1: he came out and he was like, yeah, the Steelers
23:41
Speaker 1: they just quit last week, like you could just see
23:44
Speaker 1: on that final drive. And that to me is so
23:47
Speaker 1: interesting because it just feels like the entire division there's
23:51
Speaker 1: a little bit of a change happening. NFL Network Coast
23:54
Speaker 1: katleean Wolf is our guests. So the Bengals are two
23:56
Speaker 1: and one after that win in Pittsburgh, their first win
23:59
Speaker 1: there in six years. Aside from Burrow to Chase and
24:02
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, what else about the team has impressed you? Well?
24:05
Speaker 1: I think this defense. For sure, their defense has really improved.
24:10
Speaker 1: I think that they're playing really well. They're allowing only
24:12
Speaker 1: eighteen points per game, four point five yards per play
24:16
Speaker 1: this season. And just the fact that they were able
24:19
Speaker 1: to stack Ben Roethlisberger four times seventeen quarter pressures. We
24:23
Speaker 1: haven't quarterback pressures. We haven't seen a game like that
24:25
Speaker 1: in years and I love what linebacker Logan Wilson is doing.
24:30
Speaker 1: I think that he's done a really great job. He
24:33
Speaker 1: was a star against the Steelers, picked off Ben twice,
24:36
Speaker 1: led the team in tackles with fourteen, so he's really
24:39
Speaker 1: been fantastic. Larry Ogunjobi, who they brought in in the
24:42
Speaker 1: offseason the Bengals, he's really made a difference inside too,
24:46
Speaker 1: two of those run stuffs, three total tackles. But I
24:49
Speaker 1: think really that this defense has playmakers at all three levels.
24:53
Speaker 1: When you take a look at Ogunjobi with Trey Trey
24:57
Speaker 1: Hendrickson upfront, DJ Reader, he doesn't get enough love. He's
25:01
Speaker 1: really good, and I just feel like he really flies
25:04
Speaker 1: under the radar. And then like Wilson I just mentioned,
25:07
Speaker 1: he leads the league right now in interceptions with three
25:10
Speaker 1: and once Trey Wayans can get back. And I know
25:13
Speaker 1: that that's a little bit of a sore subject for
25:16
Speaker 1: a lot of Bengals fans. It seems like they've been
25:18
Speaker 1: waiting forever what he's missed, like nineteen games, but three
25:23
Speaker 1: games this season because of that hammy. I don't know
25:26
Speaker 1: if because of the short week, if that will play
25:29
Speaker 1: any type of role in his return, but once they
25:32
Speaker 1: get him back, then they really will have solid players
25:35
Speaker 1: at all three levels. So it's only three games in,
25:39
Speaker 1: but the Bengals, Ravens, and Browns are tied for first
25:42
Speaker 1: place in the AFC North. The Steelers are one and two.
25:45
Speaker 1: What's your take on the division and how soon can
25:48
Speaker 1: the Bengals compete. I think that this is a division
25:51
Speaker 1: that really could change, especially once you bring in Joe
25:54
Speaker 1: Burrow and you have all of these things working together.
25:57
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, he's been able to run the ball really well,
25:59
Speaker 1: and I think he's to be able to get going
26:00
Speaker 1: against this Jaguars defense too, because we saw the Texans
26:04
Speaker 1: take advantage of them week one. I think that there
26:08
Speaker 1: are still some growing paints that they need to work
26:11
Speaker 1: out here, and I've been I've been impressed with what
26:15
Speaker 1: I've seen so far. But I think Joe Burrow, he's
26:18
Speaker 1: definitely he's had some growing paints here and there, but
26:22
Speaker 1: he's played well this season. It's it's tough to shake
26:26
Speaker 1: the Bears game with the three picks and the three passes.
26:30
Speaker 1: That was just a rough stretch for Joe Burrow. But
26:33
Speaker 1: I think he should have time in the pocket this week,
26:35
Speaker 1: and I think that this early success, as long as
26:38
Speaker 1: they can maybe start to build on this, if I
26:40
Speaker 1: mean think about it, back to back wins. If they
26:42
Speaker 1: can get the win over the Jags this week, that's
26:44
Speaker 1: something for sure to hang your hat on. And the Browns,
26:48
Speaker 1: they are so good at this point. It's a really
26:50
Speaker 1: tough division with a lot of competition, but I think
26:52
Speaker 1: that you can't count the Bengals out completely. We're talking
26:56
Speaker 1: to Colleen Wolf. You can follow her on Twitter at
26:58
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf with an E on the end. Let's focus
27:01
Speaker 1: in on the matchup on Thursday night. The Jags come
27:04
Speaker 1: in oh and three. They've lost eighteen in a row,
27:06
Speaker 1: but they've got Urban Meyer in Ohio. We know what
27:09
Speaker 1: he's capable of as a coach. They've got Trevor Lawrence,
27:12
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. What are some
27:14
Speaker 1: keys in your opinion on Thursday night? I think the
27:16
Speaker 1: Jags will have a tough time running the ball for
27:19
Speaker 1: sure because of this Bengals defense, as I kind of
27:21
Speaker 1: just outlined, and that's really been the bright spot for
27:25
Speaker 1: this Jaguars defenor offense. The fact that James Robinson and
27:29
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide have have been really effective five point one
27:33
Speaker 1: yards per carry six bess in the league, but Cincinnati's
27:37
Speaker 1: run defense has really improved this year. I'm really looking
27:41
Speaker 1: forward to seeing Trevor Lawrence because I think he's in
27:44
Speaker 1: a really unique situation right now, considering he had so
27:47
Speaker 1: much success early on in his career, basically at every
27:51
Speaker 1: stop until he got to Jacksonville. So he's kind of
27:54
Speaker 1: just now becoming acquainted with losing for the first time
27:58
Speaker 1: in his career. And he's had a tough schedule in
28:00
Speaker 1: terms of defenses that he's had to face. Even Week one,
28:03
Speaker 1: Lovey Smith and the Texans were able to scheme up
28:06
Speaker 1: pressure for him, and then the Broncos one of the
28:09
Speaker 1: best in the league. But we saw what the Jaguars
28:12
Speaker 1: were able to do last week with the Cardinals, and
28:14
Speaker 1: they were up on them pretty well at one point
28:17
Speaker 1: in that game. So there's been a lot of growing
28:19
Speaker 1: pains for Trevor Lawrence. I think that the mistakes have
28:23
Speaker 1: been glaring because the expectations have been so high with
28:26
Speaker 1: him the Fleet the pick six on the flee flicker
28:29
Speaker 1: last week late in the game, has two fumbles that
28:32
Speaker 1: really shut the door on the entire comeback effort. But
28:36
Speaker 1: now he's thrown seven interceptions and he's only completing fifty
28:39
Speaker 1: four percent of his passes. And this week it really
28:41
Speaker 1: does not get a lot better against this Bengals defense
28:45
Speaker 1: that has done a really great job of creating pressure.
28:48
Speaker 1: And I think when you have a rookie quarterback on
28:50
Speaker 1: the other side that has made some mistakes, you can
28:52
Speaker 1: force him into doing some more. Probably this week, we
28:55
Speaker 1: are looking forward to at you and the NFL Game
28:57
Speaker 1: Day kickoff crew will be here at Paul Brown Stadium
29:00
Speaker 1: on Thursday night. Travel safe and thanks so much for
29:02
Speaker 1: the time. All right, thank you so much. It's on
29:04
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati last but not least, time to take a
29:08
Speaker 1: closer look at a team that's just two losses away
29:12
Speaker 1: from potentially becoming just the third team in NFL history
29:15
Speaker 1: to lose twenty in a row. Gene Frenette is a
29:18
Speaker 1: long time Jacksonville sports columnist, and he joined Lapping Me
29:22
Speaker 1: this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show. Our first
29:25
Speaker 1: topic number one overall draft pick Trevor Lawrence, who has
29:29
Speaker 1: seven interceptions and two lost fumbles in his first three
29:33
Speaker 1: NFL games. Obviously the last game he played. He played
29:38
Speaker 1: much better in this last game against the Arizona Cardinals.
29:41
Speaker 1: Than he did against Houston or Denver. But the fleet
29:44
Speaker 1: flicker interception, picks six, that's skewed a lot of things,
29:50
Speaker 1: But he was much more accurate, a little bit much
29:52
Speaker 1: more on point. I would say that except for the
29:55
Speaker 1: fleet flicker, which was the past which you got some
30:00
Speaker 1: pressure up in the middle from JJ Watt, I should
30:03
Speaker 1: have just thrown it into the stands right that it
30:06
Speaker 1: was a horrible decision, and Ben Trevor would be the
30:08
Speaker 1: first one to tell you that. But if you look
30:11
Speaker 1: at the rest of the game, I mean, the Jaguars
30:14
Speaker 1: were We're beating the Cardinals nineteen to ten. You know,
30:17
Speaker 1: keep in mind, the Cardinals were more than a touchdown
30:20
Speaker 1: favorite in this game, and a lot of people had
30:23
Speaker 1: picked the Cardinals to cover in this game. And now
30:26
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're down by nine in the
30:28
Speaker 1: third quarter. And what happened was the defense gave up
30:32
Speaker 1: a seventy five yard touchdown drive that got them within two.
30:36
Speaker 1: And then on the very next series was when the
30:39
Speaker 1: pick six happened. So it totally flipped the momentum of
30:41
Speaker 1: the game. But up until that point, the Jaguars had
30:45
Speaker 1: played a pretty solid game, particularly on defense. But you know,
30:49
Speaker 1: but as we know, you know, the NFL is a
30:53
Speaker 1: league where there's a lot of close games and they're
30:55
Speaker 1: decided by two or three plays. You're there, and the
30:57
Speaker 1: Jaguars have not been able to make those plays in
31:00
Speaker 1: those game deciding moments. Interesting in that Robinson and Hide
31:06
Speaker 1: have combined for fifty rushes for two hundred and fifty
31:10
Speaker 1: five yards over five yards to carry. They've been pretty
31:13
Speaker 1: efficient and effective, and Trevor Lawrence, they've thrown the football
31:20
Speaker 1: fifty two more times than they've run it. Is it
31:22
Speaker 1: just they fell behind so early in football games? I mean,
31:25
Speaker 1: they seem to have a pretty good running attack and
31:28
Speaker 1: an offensive line in the interior that can handle the
31:30
Speaker 1: inside zone and duos and things of that nature. Is
31:34
Speaker 1: it just because the circumstances of the game where you
31:36
Speaker 1: have a rookie quarterback thrown at fifty more times than
31:39
Speaker 1: they've then they've run it in the first three Some
31:42
Speaker 1: of it is that there was a drive at the
31:46
Speaker 1: end of the first half in Week two at which
31:48
Speaker 1: they threw it eleven consecutive times, because you know, they
31:52
Speaker 1: were in a two minute so that's a little bit understandable.
31:55
Speaker 1: But overall, I would say, yes, there has been too
31:58
Speaker 1: much of a reliance on the passing game. Some of
32:01
Speaker 1: it is dictated by the score, some of it is
32:04
Speaker 1: dictated by penalties early on in downs that you know,
32:08
Speaker 1: put them away behind the chains. But overall, I would say, yes,
32:11
Speaker 1: they are not. They needed to run the ball more,
32:15
Speaker 1: and they did that finally in last week's game, and
32:18
Speaker 1: that's what got them to lead. They had an eight
32:20
Speaker 1: play seventy five yard drives in which in which they
32:27
Speaker 1: never threw the ball. They went seventy five yards on
32:31
Speaker 1: eight consecutive runs, and so you know, that was that
32:36
Speaker 1: was kind of like the highlight of the game last
32:39
Speaker 1: week for them. And then of course that was all
32:41
Speaker 1: followed by what I had mentioned earlier, the Cardinals turning
32:44
Speaker 1: around driving seventy five yards themselves and the six six
32:48
Speaker 1: and but yeah, they It's rarely a recipe for a
32:52
Speaker 1: winning formula when your quarterback is averaging, you know, forty
32:56
Speaker 1: two throws, a rookie quarterback is averaging like the game, right,
33:01
Speaker 1: which was the case more or less for Joe Burrow
33:03
Speaker 1: last year. We're visiting with Jacksonville sports columnist Jane Frenette
33:07
Speaker 1: JAG zero and three. They've dropped eighteen straight going back
33:11
Speaker 1: to last year's season opener when they beat the Colts.
33:13
Speaker 1: But it's the NFL. Every team's got players who are
33:16
Speaker 1: great college players. Where is Jacksonville strong And how do
33:21
Speaker 1: they potentially pose a threat to knock off the Bengals
33:24
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night Football tomorrow? Well, I mean, for one thing,
33:29
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, the Bengals got all kinds of
33:33
Speaker 1: injuries in their secondary, so I will be surprised if
33:35
Speaker 1: the Jaguars don't try to exploit some of that with
33:40
Speaker 1: Trevor and the receivers. I mean, Cincinnati's a nice team.
33:45
Speaker 1: They're they're better than they have been, but you know,
33:48
Speaker 1: they're not exactly a juggernaut. I mean, let's you know,
33:51
Speaker 1: they beat what I felt was a very average to
33:55
Speaker 1: below average Steeler team. While that's a great win for
33:58
Speaker 1: Cincinnati because of the history of the Steelers, it's way
34:01
Speaker 1: too early in the season right now to just kind
34:04
Speaker 1: of really get a feel for how really good or
34:08
Speaker 1: how really bad a team is. Yeah, we can make
34:10
Speaker 1: those conclusions about the Jets, we can make some of
34:13
Speaker 1: those conclusions about the LA Rams, But for the most part,
34:16
Speaker 1: I would say seventy five percent of this league right now,
34:20
Speaker 1: you don't have you know a one certainty about what
34:26
Speaker 1: kind of team they're gonna be, whether they're going to
34:28
Speaker 1: be a playoff team, whether they're going to be a
34:31
Speaker 1: last place Also, Ran, I mean, it's just we're only
34:34
Speaker 1: three weeks into a seventeen game season, and to be
34:37
Speaker 1: quite honest with you, I like the Bengals Tomorrow night
34:41
Speaker 1: for one reason, only one reason only, and that is
34:46
Speaker 1: it's a short week and they're playing at home and
34:49
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are not. And as we know, Thursday night
34:53
Speaker 1: games for road teams have not been very kind over
34:57
Speaker 1: the years, and the Jaguars are no exception to that.
35:00
Speaker 1: They're they're in their history. They're two and eight in
35:02
Speaker 1: prime time games that includes Sunday Night, Monday Night, and
35:05
Speaker 1: Thursday Night. And but given with the jet with the
35:09
Speaker 1: Bengal secondary looks like right now or could look like
35:13
Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, uh, I give the Jaguars much more than
35:17
Speaker 1: a puncher's chance of winning this game over fifty percent.
35:21
Speaker 1: Probably not, but I would say I would certainly give
35:24
Speaker 1: them a forty percent chance of winning this game. Do
35:27
Speaker 1: you anticipate the uh? The coaches simplifying things for Trevor Lawrence,
35:34
Speaker 1: do you do you anticipate, you know, it's it's a
35:38
Speaker 1: deal where Daryl Bevill says, Okay, we're not gonna We're
35:43
Speaker 1: not gonna burden you with a bunch of reads. You
35:46
Speaker 1: can run the football, you can do their zone read,
35:48
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of things even when you're
35:49
Speaker 1: throwing the football, maybe a couple of options. And then
35:53
Speaker 1: your third best option is to try to run the
35:56
Speaker 1: football a little bit. Now, you know, I don't want
35:58
Speaker 1: to get guys hurt, obviously, particularly at that position. But
36:01
Speaker 1: do you think there'll be a simplification in the offense
36:04
Speaker 1: and they'll use more of a quarterback design run package.
36:07
Speaker 1: And then also if he breaks, you know, if he
36:10
Speaker 1: if he can make the passwash, breakdown scramble and pick
36:14
Speaker 1: up yards together. The guy is a very talented runner
36:16
Speaker 1: as well, isn't he. Yeah, but they had about I
36:20
Speaker 1: think they had four designed zone read runs last week. Okay,
36:24
Speaker 1: there were other instances where he ran because it was
36:26
Speaker 1: a scramble situation. But if I'm the Jaguars, I'm not
36:30
Speaker 1: you know, I'm having zone reads as a very small
36:34
Speaker 1: part of Trevor Lawrence's package because the last thing you
36:38
Speaker 1: want to do is getting him hurt. That. You know,
36:42
Speaker 1: you get him hurt and you can you can the
36:45
Speaker 1: Jaguars can just kiss whatever. I hope they have to
36:48
Speaker 1: be respectable this season. Goodbye you. You will feel the
36:53
Speaker 1: energy drain out of that franchise. If Trevor Lawrence got hurt.
36:57
Speaker 1: He needs the reps, he needs the experience, and that's
37:00
Speaker 1: what this season should be about the Jaguars. Yet Trevor
37:03
Speaker 1: Lawrence to the point where he's gonna be as good
37:07
Speaker 1: as a lot of people projecting to be. I think
37:09
Speaker 1: he's gonna be. I think he's going to be a
37:12
Speaker 1: very good to great quarterback in this league for a
37:14
Speaker 1: long time. But to get there, he's gonna have to
37:18
Speaker 1: probably go through some growing things. You know, we might
37:21
Speaker 1: be looking up at his statue a month from now
37:24
Speaker 1: and seeing, you know, fifty seven, fifty eight percent completion percentage,
37:29
Speaker 1: passer ratings in you know, seventy five, eighty three, maybe
37:35
Speaker 1: maybe a ninety eight mixed in there every once in
37:37
Speaker 1: a while. Because he's gonna he's gonna have a breakout
37:39
Speaker 1: game somewhere. Uh. You know, I feel pretty pretty sure
37:42
Speaker 1: about that, because there's just too many games in the NFL.
37:45
Speaker 1: The question is how much pain are you going to
37:48
Speaker 1: have to go through to get this franchise, you know,
37:52
Speaker 1: back to where it's at least you know, being competitive
37:56
Speaker 1: weekend and week out, because uh, you know, I I
38:00
Speaker 1: do have to give you this one reminder. Not only
38:02
Speaker 1: do the Jaguars have an eighteen game losing streak, they've
38:05
Speaker 1: lost their last seven by double digits. So you know,
38:10
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know some of them might be a
38:12
Speaker 1: game where you know, somebody scorers in the last two
38:15
Speaker 1: minutes to get it to double digits, but there hasn't
38:17
Speaker 1: been really been too many of those, so the Jaguars
38:21
Speaker 1: are gone. I've got to get to the point where
38:24
Speaker 1: it's five minutes to go in the game and the
38:26
Speaker 1: games a toss up. Either somebody's got to make a
38:28
Speaker 1: drive to go win the game or somebody's gonna make
38:31
Speaker 1: a stop to win the game. That's the point they've
38:34
Speaker 1: got to get to. They're not there yet. Here's my
38:37
Speaker 1: last question for Jackson Gold sports columnist Gene for Net.
38:40
Speaker 1: In seven years at Ohio State, Urban Meyer never lost
38:43
Speaker 1: more than two games. He's got three after three weeks
38:46
Speaker 1: in the NFL. How is Urban coping? Well, I mean,
38:52
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're asking me to interpret
38:55
Speaker 1: body language, and you know, postgame press conference moments, his
39:01
Speaker 1: go to his go to line is basically after a
39:06
Speaker 1: loss or you know, midweek press conferences, go to the
39:09
Speaker 1: line is the locker room is great. These guys are
39:12
Speaker 1: supporting each other. That's the one thing that gives me
39:15
Speaker 1: a lot of them. And you know, hope is how
39:17
Speaker 1: is how much this team is together? You know, I mean,
39:22
Speaker 1: there are only so many positive places you can go
39:24
Speaker 1: to right when you're getting beat by double digits. Right, So, uh,
39:29
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to necessarily single out anybody,
39:33
Speaker 1: right because if you lose a game by eleven points,
39:36
Speaker 1: twenty points or whatever, you know that that's not really
39:39
Speaker 1: a time to be singling anybody out. And everybody knows
39:43
Speaker 1: that Trevor has been struggling. But I'm also I also
39:46
Speaker 1: should point this out. He's made about five or six
39:49
Speaker 1: throws in these first three weeks that a lot of
39:53
Speaker 1: the NFL quarterbacks just can't make. He's had two touchdown
39:57
Speaker 1: passes to DJ Chart that we're just exploisit. Uh. You know,
40:02
Speaker 1: if you look at the last week's game film, the
40:05
Speaker 1: twelve yard touchdown passed the DJ charka throwing the ball
40:08
Speaker 1: way across the field was his third read on the play.
40:11
Speaker 1: And you look at that and you go, oh, that's
40:13
Speaker 1: why the Jaguars, that's why he's the number one pick.
40:15
Speaker 1: That's why everybody's calling him a generational quarterback. So he
40:19
Speaker 1: has those moments in him, but he also has the
40:22
Speaker 1: flip size, you know, the mistakes. I mean seven of
40:25
Speaker 1: his interceptions by Trevor's own the mission, you know, four
40:28
Speaker 1: of them were just really bad decisions. But no, that's
40:32
Speaker 1: that's life in the NFL. Peyton Manning twenty NFL record
40:36
Speaker 1: twenty eight interceptions for a rookie when when he was
40:39
Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts Troy eight been going one in
40:42
Speaker 1: fifteen his first year. You know, these are Hall of
40:45
Speaker 1: fame guys, So long way to go before. This is
40:49
Speaker 1: just the start of Trevor Lawrence's journey. I think he's
40:52
Speaker 1: going to be really good. It's just a question of
40:54
Speaker 1: how when is he actually going to get to that point?
40:58
Speaker 1: Final question? Really shit, your carving, the time you have
41:01
Speaker 1: for us special teams have been pretty special. I mean
41:05
Speaker 1: there's there's no two ways about it. Cook is number
41:08
Speaker 1: one in the NFL net punting third. I think in average.
41:11
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's been dynamic. Then agnew one hundred
41:14
Speaker 1: and nine field goal return that was missed tis an
41:18
Speaker 1: NFL record never to be broken. You can't you can't
41:20
Speaker 1: go one hundred and ten you'd be out of bounds
41:22
Speaker 1: and one of three guys to do it. And he
41:25
Speaker 1: took a kickoff back one hundred and two yards. So
41:28
Speaker 1: how good have overall of special team has been? Has
41:31
Speaker 1: he kept them in games? And their three phases offense, defense?
41:34
Speaker 1: Special teams? How have they done well? Obviously the two
41:38
Speaker 1: the two kick returns are are you know, really a huge?
41:43
Speaker 1: The first one, unfortunately came with five minutes to go
41:46
Speaker 1: in the game and a game that was you know,
41:49
Speaker 1: pretty well already in hand, so that didn't really help
41:52
Speaker 1: them all the all that much. But the kick returned
41:54
Speaker 1: off the miss field goal last week on the last
41:57
Speaker 1: play of the first half when there was no time
41:59
Speaker 1: left of the clock, that was huge. Gave the Jaguars
42:02
Speaker 1: a thirteen seven half time lead. Now here's the other
42:05
Speaker 1: here's the flip side of that. Special Teams And you're right,
42:07
Speaker 1: Logan Cook, I think is got a chance to be
42:12
Speaker 1: a pro bowler this year with his I mean, he's
42:15
Speaker 1: just got an incredible leg and a nice touch for
42:18
Speaker 1: putting balls inside the ten yard line. But here's the
42:22
Speaker 1: flip side of it. Josh Lambo, the most accurate kicker
42:25
Speaker 1: in the NFL from twenty seventeen to two two twenty
42:30
Speaker 1: over three in his first three games, miss back to
42:33
Speaker 1: back extra points last week and is out for tomorrow
42:37
Speaker 1: night's game for what the Jaguars have termed personal reasons.
42:40
Speaker 1: So Matthew Wright, a kicker I've never heard of, is
42:45
Speaker 1: going to be kicking for the Jaguars tomorrow night. And
42:48
Speaker 1: and this, you know, it'll be interesting to see if
42:50
Speaker 1: this goes along the line from last year when Josh
42:53
Speaker 1: Lambeau had a hip issue and was out of the
42:57
Speaker 1: lineup for about four straight games, came back and then
43:00
Speaker 1: without the rest of the season. They tried four different
43:04
Speaker 1: kickers to replace Lambeau, and uh and they just couldn't
43:08
Speaker 1: they you know, they just couldn't really settle on one
43:11
Speaker 1: that they really liked. So but very huge concern about
43:15
Speaker 1: Josh Lambeau between the missing kicks that he doesn't normally
43:20
Speaker 1: miss and now he's and now he's missing this game
43:24
Speaker 1: for personal reasons. I mean that you know, it makes you,
43:27
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder if his confidence is shot. Uh,
43:30
Speaker 1: you know that's the pure speculations on my part. But
43:34
Speaker 1: that is a flip side of the other two Special
43:37
Speaker 1: Teams contributors in Logan Cook and Jamal Agnew. So it's
43:42
Speaker 1: it runs hot or cold for the Jaguars, and Agnew
43:45
Speaker 1: has not been really been given an opportunity to return
43:48
Speaker 1: up punt yet. I think he had one return for
43:51
Speaker 1: like one yard and that was it. So but you know,
43:54
Speaker 1: we'll see. But uh, certainly, I mean you get listen.
43:57
Speaker 1: I don't know how many NFL teams in history. I've
44:00
Speaker 1: had back to back week of a kick return touchdown
44:03
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