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Where does Lando Norris go from here? Canadian GP Review · Pit Talk

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannons.
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  Speaker 1: On today's episode, Lando Norris crashes out of the Canadian
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  Speaker 1: Grand Prix after rear ending teammate and title leader Oscar
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  Speaker 1: Piastri and George Russell wins in Montreal, but it takes
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  Speaker 1: nearly six hours through his victory to be confirmed. In
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  Speaker 1: the latest Mercedes Red Bull Racing spat, my name is
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  Speaker 1: Michael Lomonato. It's great to have your company and the
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  Speaker 1: company of my co host. He knows to always keep
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  Speaker 1: a safe distance to the car ahead.
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  Speaker 2: It's Matt Clayton.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Michael, thank you for the intro. I do like
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  Speaker 3: to drive safely, but I need to let you know
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  Speaker 3: just ahead of time here if I don't like the
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  Speaker 3: way you finish this podcast, I think you might be
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  Speaker 3: trying to coax me into some sort of mistake. They're
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  Speaker 3: back into this podcast. I am going to protest, and
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  Speaker 3: I am going to delay the release of this podcast
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  Speaker 3: for at least the next six hours with about zero
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  Speaker 3: point six of an actual percent of an actual valid
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  Speaker 3: reason to protest it, because that's how we roll in
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  Speaker 3: Formula one these days, and to take our listeners behind
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  Speaker 3: the curtain. I was so thankful that this was an
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  Speaker 3: early morning Monday Grand Prix here in Australia, because if
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  Speaker 3: that's a European Grand Prix, you're probably getting to bed
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  Speaker 3: at about six am on a Monday morning, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: probably in the same timeframe. So good times for us,
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  Speaker 3: not good times for anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, no one's crying over Europeans complaining about the
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  Speaker 1: time zones for Formula one, so I.
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  Speaker 3: Think that's fine, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, Yes, as ever, I think point six is probably
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  Speaker 1: a bit generous as a percentage of success of that protest.
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  Speaker 1: I talk about that a little bit later on, I think,
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  Speaker 1: and how George Russell was eventually confirmed as the winner
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  Speaker 1: of this Grand Prix on a Mercedes double podium not
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  Speaker 1: featuring a McLaren carr. Well, let's start with a big
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  Speaker 1: talking point of this weekend, which is, of course the
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  Speaker 1: inevitable run in between the title leaders Oscar Piastre and
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  Speaker 1: Lando Norris. McLaren has been telling us all year, going
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  Speaker 1: out of their way in some circumstances to tell us
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  Speaker 1: that they would crash at some stage, and that stage
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  Speaker 1: was the Canadian Grand Prix. Round four laps to go,
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  Speaker 1: Lando Norris rear ended Oscar Piastre, but in what I
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  Speaker 1: suspect McLaren wouldn't have foreseen. It wasn't even really a
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  Speaker 1: racing incident, wasn't a little bit too much aggression from
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  Speaker 1: either driver. It was really quite a clumsy and costly
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  Speaker 1: mistake from Lando. Norris admitted immediately afterwards that it was
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  Speaker 1: all his fault in fact, and I mean immediately it
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  Speaker 1: was a team rate didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Even need to get out of the car.
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  Speaker 1: It's so hard to say that this was a controversial moment,
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  Speaker 1: but tell me about your immediate reaction to this crash,
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  Speaker 1: because it just came across as I mean, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see it coming. They were racing very hard, but very
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  Speaker 1: cleanly up to that point, and seemed very unnecessary a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I think if you're McLaren and you've been talking all
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  Speaker 3: season about this being inevitable, this is almost a perfect
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  Speaker 3: way to get that box ticked and move on with it.
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  Speaker 3: Because they weren't fighting over a race win. You know,
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  Speaker 3: neither McLaren was in contention for a race win. Here
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  Speaker 3: Norris immediately put his hand up. Piastre was still able
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  Speaker 3: to finish the race and get some points, so it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like he completely skewed his teammates race as well,
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  Speaker 3: So there's a bit of nothing to see here, but
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  Speaker 3: everything to see here. At the same time, as for
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  Speaker 3: McClaren management, it's almost like, well, we kind of got
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  Speaker 3: away with that one. The first thing I thought when
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  Speaker 3: it happened is I tried to imagine the roles being
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  Speaker 3: reversed in this situation. So let's say that Norris hays
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  Speaker 3: the championship lead, Piastre's behind him. I'm not necessarily sure
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  Speaker 3: that's a move that Piastre makes. It was a really
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  Speaker 3: low percentage move and it seemed a little bit unnecessary.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't the last lap. Norris was clearly quicker at
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  Speaker 3: that point because he'd made that sort of ambitious dive
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  Speaker 3: at the hairpin at the end of the lap previously,
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  Speaker 3: which I do think caught Oscar by surprise a bit,
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  Speaker 3: and it was very clean. It was very well done.
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  Speaker 3: Just overshot a little bit enabled Oscar to get back
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  Speaker 3: into the ascendency. But the whole thing seemed a little
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  Speaker 3: bit unnecessary in terms of its timing. I thought Norris
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  Speaker 3: had probably the time left in that race to gain
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  Speaker 3: the position of the two points that came with, but
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  Speaker 3: it also spoke so much to the mindset of both drivers.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the way I looked at this, and
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  Speaker 3: I tried to imagine Piastre in a similar situation and
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  Speaker 3: what he would have done. Now, we don't know what
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  Speaker 3: Oscar would have done in that situation, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you would have done that. And to my mind,
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  Speaker 3: that is where you look at the difference between these
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  Speaker 3: two drivers and where they are mentally. We know Norris
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  Speaker 3: is very he's not backward in giving himself a clip
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  Speaker 3: around the years, but he doesn't think he's done something right,
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  Speaker 3: and he's the self flagellation that we've talked about before.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I just kept thinking, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: in a similar situation here, if Piastre is the trailing
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  Speaker 3: car eight, does he go for a low percentage move
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  Speaker 3: and be how does he actually actually handle that situation?
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  Speaker 3: I think it spoke a lot about both drivers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it didn't cost McLaren a race win or even a podium,
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  Speaker 3: so that, I guess is the good news for them,
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  Speaker 3: But it revealed a lot about each driver. I think
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  Speaker 3: in a high pressure situation and if this championship plays out,
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  Speaker 3: the way we think it's going to If it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a race between these two, there's inevitably going
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  Speaker 3: to be more high pressure situations between the two, and
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  Speaker 3: this was a little bit of an insight as to
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  Speaker 3: how each of them may handle it. But I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure what your thoughts were, but there was a lot
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  Speaker 3: going on in those last few laps. But man McClaren
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  Speaker 3: got away with it because it was a controversy with
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  Speaker 3: small sea rather than a capital one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean my first instinct was I was sure both
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  Speaker 1: cars were out because there's Piastre powered out of the
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  Speaker 1: frame of the TV sit I was like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: clearly he's going to a punkcho spents could be damage,
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  Speaker 1: is going to be disaster. But no, it was just
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  Speaker 1: Lando Norris self damaging his own race. I mean kindly
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  Speaker 1: agree with that, and I think absolutely it's difficult to
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  Speaker 1: imagine Oscar Piastri having tried on a similar move. But
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  Speaker 1: what I think is interesting is that the precious situation
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  Speaker 1: should have been reversed here because it was Oscar, who,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, looked a little bit slower at that
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  Speaker 1: point in the race. They were both roughly at the
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  Speaker 1: maximum that their car wasn't really a podium getting car,
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  Speaker 1: or certain it was not a race winning car, at
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  Speaker 1: least starting off the podium or being off the podium
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the first lap, as was the
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  Speaker 1: case with Piastri didn't have the kind of pace to
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  Speaker 1: simply walk to the front, as it has at so
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  Speaker 1: many races. So there's that element of it. But in
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  Speaker 1: this situation, surely was Oscar, who started further ahead, had
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  Speaker 1: already lost a place on the first lap, A should
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  Speaker 1: have had from the grid a four place advantage over Niratt,
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  Speaker 1: seeing him in his mirrors, having recovered with a different strategy,
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  Speaker 1: looking quicker, he should have been the one feeling more
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  Speaker 1: pressure and committing mistakes in defense. That's the way you'd
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  Speaker 1: normally think about this situation going. Instead, it was Norris,
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  Speaker 1: who'd had a great recovery. It was going to minimize
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  Speaker 1: the damage. Two points lost to Pistre would have left
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  Speaker 1: him twelve points off the championship lead, which is still nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty two points are still not that much, considering there
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  Speaker 1: are so many races to go, But nonetheless, it's just
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  Speaker 1: strange that it was the guy who'd already had such
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  Speaker 1: a good race who'd done exactly what was expected. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we know he's qualifying mistakes or it's costing him this year,
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  Speaker 1: but his race performances always help him selvage, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why he's still so close in the title fight. It's
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  Speaker 1: just strange that he should have been the one feeling
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  Speaker 1: enough pressure or being not perfectly in the right mindset
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  Speaker 1: to make an error like this, because you say low
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  Speaker 1: percentage is almost being a bit generous. There was no
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  Speaker 1: gap there when he made the move, There was no
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  Speaker 1: gap there when he arrived there, and there obviously still
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  Speaker 1: was no gap there when he made the contact. So that,
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  Speaker 1: for me is what's interesting. I think that also does
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  Speaker 1: speak to their mindsets at this stage of the season.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help but wonder. You know, we joke every
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  Speaker 1: week matter really how many races there are still to go.
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  Speaker 1: I think there were one hundred and fifty at last count,
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  Speaker 1: which means is still a long time, way too long
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  Speaker 1: to really be thinking about the championship. And you always
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  Speaker 1: get the sense that Oscar is of that mind said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's so many races still to go, he's
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  Speaker 1: just going to get the max amount of car.
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  Speaker 2: You may not win every race. That's fine, which it feels.
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  Speaker 1: Like already Norris is feeling a little bitout pressure, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the inevitable conclusion from that must be that
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  Speaker 1: he's feeling that looking at the season over all, ten
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  Speaker 1: races is not a small sample size anymore. It's almost
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  Speaker 1: halfway almost not quite that the power dynamic in McLaren
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  Speaker 1: is no longer in his favorites Oscar who's leading the
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  Speaker 1: way here, and he needs to make a statement, and
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  Speaker 1: he attempted to make one and he didn't pull it off.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sort of interested in the team aspect of
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  Speaker 1: this as well, Matt, because, like we said, Andrea Stella
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  Speaker 1: Zack Brown, I've been saying all season it was inevitable,
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  Speaker 1: and Andrea Stella said afterwards, well, it's probably going to
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  Speaker 1: happen again because there are so many races this year.
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  Speaker 1: But they've been preaching this strategy that their approach is
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  Speaker 1: going to enable them to have these two number one
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  Speaker 1: drivers there's going to be total equality between them, and
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  Speaker 1: we've seen that play out in a team order sense
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  Speaker 1: so far this year. They've been allowed to race, even
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  Speaker 1: in some situations where it's arguably detrimental to the team's interest.
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  Speaker 1: Then again, teams leading the championship by so much doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really seem to matter. Do you think this it was
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  Speaker 1: too unusual an incident to judge the success of that strategy.
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  Speaker 1: Was actually this proving the way that Norris took full accountability.
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  Speaker 1: They cleared the air immediately that actually, maybe this McLaren
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  Speaker 1: approach doesn't have to end in two years by the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year.
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  Speaker 3: The thing I thought when it happened was McLaren going
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  Speaker 3: to be content with absolutely nailing the constructors Championship, which
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  Speaker 3: they did last year after the first time in a
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  Speaker 3: very long time. They got that sorted. That's all completely fine.
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  Speaker 3: They are going to win the Constructors Championship this year,
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  Speaker 3: you would imagine. So my bigger question is does this
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  Speaker 3: actually accelerate the need to prioritize one of the two drivers?
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  Speaker 3: The driver and the ascendency in this case is pastre
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  Speaker 3: because you look at the points standings and despite the
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  Speaker 3: gulf in performance between these two teams and two cars,
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  Speaker 3: Max the Stappans still hovering at an uncomfortably close distance
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  Speaker 3: here for the driver's championship, transcending what he's doing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: second place on the weekend bank the points that he
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  Speaker 3: could with what he had. Will get to subsequent silliness
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  Speaker 3: and protests and things later on, but to my mind,
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  Speaker 3: Verstappan's still uncomfortably close. And I don't know if you
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  Speaker 3: want to be in a live head to head championship
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  Speaker 3: fight with a guy who's won four straight world titles
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  Speaker 3: and we know there's a different level of performance and
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  Speaker 3: aggression with him, if he's able to sustain this now,
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  Speaker 3: Formula One being what it is, there's still fourteen rounds
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  Speaker 3: to go. But if we're having this conversation and there
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  Speaker 3: are six rounds to go and for Stapans at a
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  Speaker 3: similar distance, and all that's going to take is a
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  Speaker 3: McLaren dnf an incident here or there, and for Stappan
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  Speaker 3: just keeps banking these outsized results relative the equipment is in.
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  Speaker 3: Does this actually accelerate McLaren's decision on Well, maybe we
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  Speaker 3: do need to prioritize one of our drivers over the
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  Speaker 3: other in order to secure this driver's championship that's eluded
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  Speaker 3: us for so long. We tick the constructor's championship box
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  Speaker 3: last year, so if they get that again, great, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to mean as much as it did
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  Speaker 3: last year. The driver's title is the big one they
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  Speaker 3: want this year. They're in a position of advantage to
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  Speaker 3: get it. You don't want to hand an opponent like
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  Speaker 3: Max verstappin. You don't want to crack that door open
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  Speaker 3: even an for someone like that as a potential weakness.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, Canada has been a bit of rope circuit
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  Speaker 3: for McLaren in the past. Not a great track for
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  Speaker 3: them this weekend, But to my mind it almost means
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  Speaker 3: if you have another one or two of these incidents,
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  Speaker 3: depending on when you have them, that might actually mean
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  Speaker 3: that McLaren have to do the thing they don't want
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  Speaker 3: to do and not have drivers on the same plane
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  Speaker 3: competing for the world championship. Because we've seen what happens
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  Speaker 3: when McLaren does things like this in the past. When
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  Speaker 3: you try and prioritize you know too, you try and
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  Speaker 3: have two drivers with equal priority, you can throw a
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  Speaker 3: championship away. We've seen it in modern day Formula One
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  Speaker 3: as recently as two thousand and seven, because they did
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  Speaker 3: that with Gibby Reichen, because they had a lot so
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  Speaker 3: in Hamilton, you know, knocking chunks out of each other
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  Speaker 3: week after week, and they left the door open and
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  Speaker 3: Ferrari walked straight through it. So you do wonder if
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  Speaker 3: past history is going to be any guide, but whether
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  Speaker 3: it does change the management decision on how they run
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  Speaker 3: these two drivers based on where the opposition is, not
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  Speaker 3: what they're necessarily doing themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because I think earlier this year Zach
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  Speaker 1: Brown suggests that he'd be he'd prefer to lose the
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  Speaker 1: drivers then have to pick a winner. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's an interesting position to take, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: because it seems pretty countertuitive. But second of all, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's relatively easy to take that position when your
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  Speaker 1: drivers are very close in the standings. I think he
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  Speaker 1: said this when there was still five points between them
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  Speaker 1: or something, maybe before Monaco. From the top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: If we do get to those, like you say, the
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  Speaker 1: final six rounds, when the sport leaves Europe, that's usually
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  Speaker 1: as was the case last year, and we started to
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  Speaker 1: talk about this even though Norris's title hopes were a
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  Speaker 1: real long shot against Verstappan. And if there's a twenty
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  Speaker 1: five point gap between them, so a race win and
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  Speaker 1: Vastapan is also twenty five points off, let's say it
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  Speaker 1: like that. Does that change the calculus where one driver
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  Speaker 1: is much less likely. But then form comes into that,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it doesn't it? Because then this time last or
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  Speaker 1: rather late last year, the difficulty trying to prioritize Norris
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  Speaker 1: was that actually Piastre was in better form than him,
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  Speaker 1: really until we had a couple of races outside of Europe,
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  Speaker 1: and then Norris regained that ascendency and it became slightly
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  Speaker 1: easier to try and make those calls. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that will be interesting to see. Like you say, it's
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  Speaker 1: really it's too early. I get this question a lot
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  Speaker 1: so far in the last couple of weeks. Surely they've
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  Speaker 1: got a sub Prioritizing Piastre would have avoided the crash.
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  Speaker 1: For example, they just made a call this weekend, but
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  Speaker 1: there's just so long still to go that it's too
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  Speaker 1: early to make that call. And they still have that buffer,
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  Speaker 1: like they still got that points buffer. They do. But
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  Speaker 1: Staffan and if you were being extremely ambitious also George Russell,
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  Speaker 1: that it doesn't have to be made now, it's not
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  Speaker 1: at risk, and maybe by not making the decision earlier
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  Speaker 1: it will bite them later. But I mean to intervene
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  Speaker 1: in the title fight now would be very difficult.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and what's interesting now is we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the Piastre Norris results this year through
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  Speaker 3: the context of the fact that Piastre only scored two
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  Speaker 3: points in Australia, so he had this tough race in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Points wise, Lando won that race. There was the big gap,
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  Speaker 3: and then we're like, well, look at what Oscar has done.
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  Speaker 3: He's not only arrested that gap, he's actually taken an
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  Speaker 3: advantage over Norris in the races since. So now Norris
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  Speaker 3: has had his no score or low scoring race, so
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of even at this point, like they both
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  Speaker 3: had their mulligan. If you're like, you look at the
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  Speaker 3: points table, Piastre's twenty two points ahead. That feels to
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  Speaker 3: me like the natural gap in performance between these two drivers,
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  Speaker 3: not where Norris was after Australia and not where Piastre
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  Speaker 3: has been incloring all of these results back since this
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  Speaker 3: now feels like an equal fight between the two of them,
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  Speaker 3: because each of them have had their virtually non scoring
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  Speaker 3: race and we see Pastre twenty two points ahead. So look,
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  Speaker 3: we're not even at the halfway point. We say this
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  Speaker 3: all the time, but it certainly throws an interesting question
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  Speaker 3: there because Vastapan's just not going to go away of
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  Speaker 3: his own free will. It all depend on how much
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: red Bull keep the development tap going on that particular
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  Speaker 3: car for a set of regulations that's going in the bin.
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  Speaker 3: And because Red Bull's entire existence is to please Max,
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  Speaker 3: to Stappan to stop him from leaving, they will keep
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  Speaker 3: the development tap on. So I don't think they're going
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  Speaker 3: to fall off in terms of their commitment and their pace.
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  Speaker 3: And we know that Max is like a dog with
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  Speaker 3: a bone in these sorts of situations. Adds another little
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  Speaker 3: curveball to the championship narrative, though, doesn't it, because there's
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  Speaker 3: no one else pushing up from behind that should get
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  Speaker 3: in the way here. So it comes down to how
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  Speaker 3: McLaren managed these two drivers and when this inevitably happens again,
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  Speaker 3: and going to what their stances after that. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's become a subplot that's become more interesting, isn't it
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  Speaker 3: in the last three days?
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  Speaker 1: And worth remembering you've only just made me think about
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  Speaker 1: this now. Last time we had a major rule change,
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: which was twenty twenty two, red Bull pressed hard on
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: development in twenty twenty one to make sure Max got
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: to the title, and then messages I think turned development
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: on a little bit again late, but it was red
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Bull to push hardest because they really wanted that driver's
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: ten year. Circumstances are different, theydn't want the driver's titled
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: than a while. Maybe things are a little bit more
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: circumspect now that Max has gone on a four title run.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: But they have formed there and Anna Major knew me
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: to do it. But it's still to be seen how
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: they're going to manage that one. So plenty is still
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: to run obviously on this driver's championship. But an interesting
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: talking point. Nonetheless, let's look back at the race now
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: from an action perspective. Matt with Move of the Week
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: brought to you by Shannon Now. Despite the plethora of
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: talking points, it was not a similarly luxurious amount of
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: overtaking in the Canadian Grand Prix. I think it's fair
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: to say there's a lot of management and then everyone said, oh.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: The race has finished.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: The strange so what's your pick from this week's Race
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: of the week?
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: Management and DRS train are two things I don't like
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: to hear early in TV broadcast. It's fair to say,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: but you've been very generous allowing me to do this.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: I was going to be a little bit cheeky and
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: say that Lando Norris's move on Oscar Piastri that wasn't
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: on that was the move of the week.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to be a good move of
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: the week. I guess doesn't It could be bad.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Well, yes, yeah, there's no context of this. I'm going
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: to leave the low hanging for it for you this
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: week because I'm a kind co host. I am actually
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: going to go with a move lower in the pack
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: on the first lap that completely transformed the race. This
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: is Nico Holkenberg passing Franco Colapinto and Alex alban on
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: lap one that got Holkeenberg inside the top ten and
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: then he basically didn't leave the top ten for the
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: rest of the race. And yet again Hulkeenberg and Sauerber
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: scoring really significant points towards the tail end of the
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: top ten, and they've actually kicked clear in the Constructor's
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Championship over Alpine. As a result, it's back to back
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: weekends where everything you signed Holgenberg for, the experience, the opportunism,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: the ability to convert on an opportunity, that presents itself unexpectedly.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: This is why you have Nico Holkenberg in Formula one
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. So I think he got our
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: move of the week last time for what he did
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: to Lewis Hamilton in Spain. So it's back to back
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: of Nico Holkenberg, which is not something I'm expected to
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: say on this particular podcast. I've left an obvious one
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: for you, but to my mind that was a transformative
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: move at the beginning of the race that set up
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: everything that followed. So curedos to him, Curedoster Soubert, They're
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: actually not cast a drift in this sort of pathetic
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: category of one at the back. Now they actually look
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: pretty legit after the last couple of races. But I
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: suggest the one I've left for you, you're going to
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: slot the open goal here.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but look just before that, let me say soalbur
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: nine points off the bottom oh Helpeen last in the championship,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: and Souber only eight points off sixth from which is
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: being held by Hearts, which to my mind feels like
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: it's going backwards a little bit where Sauerber's moving forwards.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: That I did not see this coming even only a
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: couple of rounds Ago, really impressive work with him, and
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: like you say, great to have signed Hogberg not only
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: for sour. But suddenly it feels like that lineup for
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: when it becomes ourdy doesn't feel as well.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: These are the drivers that were available and we slapped
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: him together.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Is suddenly a lineup that has a little bit of
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: something in it for that foundation driver pairing next to you,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and it becomes audy. But yes, low hanging fruit. There
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: are only a couple of other pieces of fruit from
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: this race. I was tempted to actually pick Norris's move
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: at the hairpin because I thought that was a great
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: moose and well played by both of them, in fact,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: because then Piastric saw it coming at some point cross
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: back under him, got that great wheel to wheel moment
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: down the back straight, So I was as well executed
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: as it got for Norris until he threw it all
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the way later. But I am of course going to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: go Andre Kimi Antonelli a great move on the first
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: lap to take third of Oscar. Piastre just well managed,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I think, because this is we've seen lots of and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: we will talk about this, we'll expand about this, maybe
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit later as well, considering to use first ponent.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: But we've seen lots of great flashes of everything we've
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: known about his potential, great qualifying speed. He got that
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: spin pole in Miami, good race pace even in Melbourne,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: obviously survived really tricky conditions there to come home from
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: a pretty ordinary qualifying result. This was a really good,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: comprehensive weekend from him, and a really just a solid
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: first lap lining up against the leading championship leader. Clung
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: on the outside at turn one because he knew that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: meant the inside for the next two corners, needed Piastre
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: not to fight him super hard. I think Piastre obviously
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: was aware of the fact that it's probably low percentage
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to hold that place and obviously had the title lead
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to defend. But that made his race because much like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Kulckenberg never left the top ten, Antonine never left the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: top three and in fact gave him some opportunities to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: even race with Max Vistappen later on. So a great
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: move from him, a great start that capped off a
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: great weekend.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed. I like the mention of who he was
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: fighting against. The number one rule in these situations, know
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: your opponent, and you know, when you're in a fifty
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: to fifty situation and you're not a championship contender against
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: a guy who's leading the world championship, who has way
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: more to lose than you. I think Piastre made a
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: reluctant but a business is you're nonetheless. It's like, I
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: could fight this and potentially risk my car, I'm already
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: several spots ahead of my teammate and my closest championship
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: challenger on the grid. It's not worth it, and I
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: think Antonelli really played into that. But it was very
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: coolly and cleanly executed for a guy that was in
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: his tenth foot with the one Grand Prix start, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: you'd have to say that we haven't seen the absolute,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: like wow, look at that qualifying la pace from him
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: that we might have thought we'd seen this year. But
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: he's been super impressive and it feels like he's taken
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: advantage of most of the opportunities that he's got. He's
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: you know, he's clearly going to be here for a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: very very long time, but wy be the last time
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: he gets moved of the week on this podcast, or
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: however long this podcast lasts but yeah, very impressive. Nonetheless,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and you were right. There were only two other pieces
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: of fruit, but I thought i'd leave them for you.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very good.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Well, let's look at that Mercedes weekend and the weekend
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit more broadly overall, because while the talking
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: point was over the battle for fourth, George Russell was
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: pretty serenely leading this one from pole position made up
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: for the win he should have had here last year
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: from pole, but too many mistakes cost him to Max
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Staffen in a pretty tricky race in the end. No
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: such mistakes this weekend led from pol. The sizzle about
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the combat with Max Mustaffan off the line didn't even worthy.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even worthy of a mentioned, considering his start
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: was just so good and controlled the race from there.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: There were moments where it looked like Mustafan was getting closer,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: but it was all management from Russell, who scored one
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: of his more comprehensive victories. There have been other good
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: ones as well in there. I think back to that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: victory that doesn't count in Belgium last year. I think
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it's probably his most impressive, ironically, but I think this
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: is a really big tick a for Mercedes because it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: their first win of the season in a year that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: they started sort of optimistic about but then felt like
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: they lost their way in the last month or so.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So it gets them back on track, particularly considering they
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: use an upgrade that they temporarily had in the bin
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: only a week or two ago. But also, I feel
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: like I am in your position on this, Russell. This
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: been quite a good and comprehensive weekend for him, which
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: is great, But then particularly in contrast to Canada last
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: year one year ago, where he fumbled his chances in
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a way that I think had become quite characteristic of
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: him at that point. Really good in qualifying, often would
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: qualify high up or even on pole position, but then would.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Almost get too excited, over excited to be.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: On pole in a position he's not meant to be
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in because the Mercedes never been a race winner, and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: then do something sillier and not win the race. There
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: was no sign of that this weekend, and I don't
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: think it's something that had happened ahead of this weekend,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: but it certainly happened in the last twelve months, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think it just emphasized that position he has now
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: as the team leader at Mercedes arriving at just the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: right time.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is the evolution of a driver that
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: you know, he statistically was the stronger Mercedes driver last year,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: but it always felt like he was driving in Lewis
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Hamilton's team, which is understandable because of the success Hamilton
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: had had there and how long he'd been there, and
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: he was part of the furniture. It was always like, oh, yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and our other drivers George Russell, which is a little
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: bit unfair because the guy's very, very good and very accomplished.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So there was there were two things for me. It
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: shows you the evolution of him as a leader and
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: a driver and a senior person within the sport. But
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: there's also that taking and like acing the big moments
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and I think you know Q three was like that
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic qualifying that you mentioned. There's all this tension
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: off the start and Verstappans got penalty points to worry about,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and he's got the car angled at Russell. It was
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a complete non story because Russell totally nailed the start
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Forstappan didn't get a look at him in the first corner,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: and then for the rest of that race he just
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: he controlled that race in a manner that we've not
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: seen George Russell control the race probably before, didn't overreach.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: There weren't any lurid moments or things that we're going
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to trip him up. He was totally in control. And
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Canada's a funny one because it's one of those races
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: that sometimes when not a lot happens, you always watch
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: the race at Canada through the lens of there's a
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: lot of tripwise and things that can spoil your day
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: there because of the nature of the track and how
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: close the walls are and even the configuration of the track.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: It's a pretty unusual circuit and the way that you
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: run it. And he took a stressful situation and just
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: took all the stress out of it. I thought he
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: was incredibly composed and in control. But the other thing
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I loved about this, and we'll probably get onto this
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: in a second, was that he saw he knew that
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: he could stir Red Bull and Max for stapping up
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: this weekend, and he took the opportunity to bait them
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and annoy them and just sort of be ever present
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: with that niggle the entire weekend. I actually love that
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: because it would have been very easy, just oh no, Look,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: we're just focusing on ourselves and we're just doing our
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: own thing, and we're trying to maximize our opportunity. He
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: saw an opportunity there to twist the knife a little bit,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: knowing how much his opponents were going to hate it,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and actually baiting them into a response, which is probably
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: why we waited six hours for a Steward's verdict. But
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: that's another story. But I did enjoy the fact that
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: he saw an opportunity to be a little bit mischievous
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: and decided to wrap up the volume on that so
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: great drive, very very well managed, very accomplished Grand Prix win,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: and for a bit of bustardy as well. We'll give
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: him a tick for that as well.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that is a great call
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: because I think, as we've learned in the last i
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: don't know, let's just say twelve months, he's certainly not
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: above the politics. Now. Mercedes isn't. Even if they preck
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that they are the cleaner team in some senses that
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you could say they were the cleaner team, they're not
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: totally clean team when it comes to politics. But Russell
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: certainly isn't. He's a clever guy. He's one of the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: smarter guys on the grid, and he knows how to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: stir people up and he's got in that sense, at
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: least I think he has Max with Stapfen's number, he
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: can get under his skin. We've learned this like probably
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: no other driver on the grid, which is pretty remarkable
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: considering Max has had several run ins with lots of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: drivers over his time and played that to perfection after qualifying.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a legitimacy to it now as well,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: because as Red Will sort of slides backwards into the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: pack Mercedes, it's probably too early to say they're in
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the ascendency. They've said this is not a breakthrough, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely right. There's a track that suited
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the car, condition that suited the car. We don't expect
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: them to suddenly be winning races regularly, but they're pretty
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: closely aligned now, those two teams in terms of their capacity,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so it's not, you know, the little guy just having
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a crack at the big guy for the headline. I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: think there's there some legitimacy in there, and I think
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that they are generally the team and driver under Red
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Bull and the staff and skin because we saw the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: st and snap in the post qualifying press conference when
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: he's asked about the penalty points situation. And I think
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that is a site you know, as much as some
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: people will say, well, you know, MAXI just doesn't have
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: time for whatever. I think he does snap like there
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is that is a sign of him getting a little
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: bit irritated by it. And then let's talk about that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: post race investigation that went for twice as long, no
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: more than three times as long, more than three times
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: as long as I think the race. Yes, red Bull
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: lodging a couple of protests against the result, for Russell's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: alleged behavior behind the safety car and sporting erratic dangerous
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: against the rules. It always seemed like a long shot.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I think we were talking after the race when we
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: was just such a low percentage at best play. They
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: were clearly entitled to make it accord of the rules.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But what I really liked, Matt, and maybe you can
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: tell us about this total wolf's comments the day after
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: actually at the F one movie premiere. Even there's no
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: break for politics, even when you go to the movies.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I just thought he nailed it so perfectly.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Get the popcorn out when you have an open mic
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: in front of a total wolf after they've just won
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to one o Grand Prix. This quote is funnier if
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: you read it in his accent, which I know sounds
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: like a ridiculous thing to say, but talking about the
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: way that you know obviously read Red Bull was questioning
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the gamesmanship and Toto Wolf's comment was about the protest.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: It's so petty and so small and the words small.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Actually maybe giggle when I read it when it came
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: out after the movie premiere, because A it's such a
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Toto Wolf thing to say, and it's so dismissive. It's like,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: this is pathetic, like what a small effort to try
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and spoil and a like what is wrong with you people?
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But it does sort of also speak to the there's
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: something with Red Bull with the way they handle situations
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: like this. There's this cross between a little bit of
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: desperation to try and make it look like they're doing
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: everything possible to keep verstapan on side. It sounds like
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: from what you read after the event, that Verstappen was
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: less bothered about this than Red Bull actually were, and
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: that he was probably halfway home on the private jet
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: by the time you realized that he had. She retained
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: second place at this point. So there's this desperation from
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Red Bull management to make it like we're in your cornerbacks.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: We're in your cornerbacks. Everyone knew what was going on.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Verstappan knew that Russell was trying to stir him r
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Russell knew exactly what he was doing. Christian Horner came
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: out and said that they'd spoken to the stewards and
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: made them aware that they know there might be a
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: bit of gamesmanship and things going on here. But I
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: don't understand how that would be different to any other
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: team against any other driver in a similar situation. Let's
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: just say Orlando Norris had one point from being suspended
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: for a race because of a bunch of penalty points.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Do you think Red buller would have done the same
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: and stirred the pot for the entire week and they
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: would have taken a bigger spooed out the Mercedes did
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: and stirred the pot, knowing the way Red Bull usually
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: roll with these things. So I thought it was completely
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: legitimate from Mercedes to tweak Red Bull about it, and
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: the whole protest thing. You might want to sort of
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: take our listeners inside this a little bit. But the
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: problem with protests is that there they can be launched.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: The financial outlay for a team to launch a protest
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: for something as tenuous as this is not enough to
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: just weigh them from doing its two thousand euro or
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: something ridiculous. So it's a drop in the ocean. For
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: some of these teams, there's no disincentive for them to
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: not launch a protest and waste everyone's time for six hours.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: But I wonder if the procedure needs to change, both
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: in terms of how much a team needs to cough
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: up to initiate one of these things, and also can
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: we have a decision within like two hours? Is it
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: really that hard?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think they're both great calls, because I think the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: deposit on the protest was only introduced not that long ago.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: If memory serves to ward off these really spurious protests,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: or a team would lodge a protest not really believing
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a rule had been broken, but just to make a
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: point in the wording of their protests, like well we
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't think this is right. Whatever is the case, I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: think it was only a couple of years ago it
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: was brought in, But two thousand euros is hardly anything.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: You know, it might make the most ridiculous of protests,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: give it a second thought, but clearly not enough in
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: this situation. So I think there is that element of it,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and then I do think that it's probably time, it
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: has been time for a while for the FIA to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: look at the way that these strace investigations going now.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: To be fair, there were quite a few, probably an
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: unusual number of post race investigations to undertake, featuring quite
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of drivers. There was a safety car based
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: investigation that I think involved six drivers off the top
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of my head, five or six drivers after the race.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So there was that element. But I think the requirement
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to look at things chronologically probably needs to be rethought,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: because no one really cared about with due respect to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: what happened to Oliver Berman, considering you finished outside the points,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: if you've got a post race penalty or whatever, it
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: didn't matter, whereas obviously with George Russell that could have
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: affected the outcome of the Grand Prix, the winner of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the Grand Prix. So I think there's an element of that,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: But then we've heard a lot. We're going to understand.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: The system is important that you have this group of
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: stewards and they're the ones that make the decision because
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: they're from a pool of stewards. That's the only way
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you can ensure any kind of consistency, not only within
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a race, but from race to race. But we've heard
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a lot about the Remote Operations Center in Geneva of
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the FIA. We've heard about it likened to var and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that it assists during the race. And I'm sure it
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: does assist during the race when it comes to things
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like track limits whatever, because it's.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Just more eyes.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: But there's got to be a way to use more
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of the resources that are apparently on offer to speed
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: up these situations, whether it comes to just riding out
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: these documents fastucause I'm sure that's part of it getting
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: them out there. I think there's also part of the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: reason there's a delay is that teams have to acknowledge
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the receipt of every time a document is sent out
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: before the next stage can happen, and there's probably some
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: slowness there when that might be five hours later and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: they're all going home or on their debts already. But
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: there's just has to be a way to expedite this process,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: particularly when we're talking about a protest against the winner
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of a race.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: It's just not a no.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Because imagine how to change Imagine the people who would
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: have gone to bed and assuming that George Russell was
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the winner, or if you were an Australia you've already
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: gone to work.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: You're not going to find out till you get home.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's just not practical.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Well, and the one I always think of with this
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: was the Daniel Ricardo podium that wasn't at the two
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: fourteen Australian Grand Prix. And I remember this because you
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: were probably sitting in the same press room as me.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I think that final Steward's verdict came through about five
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: minutes to midnight for a race that had finished at
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: half past four, and so we all knew Ricardo was
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: going to get disqualified. There was nothing official, and then
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: it was announced Daniel Ricardo has been stripped of his
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: second place. It changed the podium, it changed all the points.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: McLaren had two drivers on the podium. I remember I
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: had the story basically ready to go, hit send and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: walked out of the press room at midnight for a
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: race that finished at help us four. And that was
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: eleven years ago, so the more things changed, the more
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: they stayed the same.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So hopefully some change there. And just quickly,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I know we already talked about Andrea Kimi Antonelli, but
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I just want to mention again first podium for him
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: ten races into his career, third youngest podium getter in
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Formula one. I feel like you already know this, but
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you the question anyway, do you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: know who's ahead of him on that table?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I did read this yesterday and then I got stuck
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: in six hours of Stuart's Stewart's notes, so you can
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: you can enlighten the listeners while I try and pick
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: my brain here.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so undeniably and obviously Maxwastaffan is in there. Obviously
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: his first victory at eight I was also the youngest.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Window'm pretty sure hasn't he had eighteen?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: And whatever? Day's two hundred days?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know where you're going here. I've just worked
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: this out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, so I would say fifty percent of them.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: It's a good sign to being company of the other
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: one though, is Lance Stroll who got that podium in
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: was as I think, wasn't it?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Dum finished the.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Daniel Riccardo won that race. Speaking of Daniel Riccardo, it
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: was seventeen was.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: The Riccardo race. It wasn't both, but there was Botas
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: who passed him off the line. But there you go, Oh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: there you go. I figured it out in the end.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It was my own got tripped up with my own
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: question this week remarkable.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: This is the most enthusiastic either Orus have been about
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Lance Stroll the entire season so far, and probably more
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: enthusiastic than Lance Stroll has been about Lance Stroll for
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: most of the part of this season. For anyone out
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: there that hasn't listened to or read the Thursday FIA
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: press conference with Tom Clarkson and Lance Stroll was there.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that he participated, but he was in attendance,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: and it was kind of the beginning of a home
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: grownd Prix weekend where you forgot that he was there.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: But if you're into one word answers to press conference questions,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: then that's right.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Daniel Alley, Yeah, I think so participation probably sums up
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: his whole weekend. I think finished lay out of the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: points for Fernando a. Lonzo's scored points again forgettable performance,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: copped a penalty as well for crashing into Pierre And
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you liked his press conference performance, if
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you can find his post race interview from F one TV,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: it's even better and perhaps more infuriating to spending on
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: your defety and your perspective. So clearly worthwhile for him
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to come back this so quickly after his wrisk surgery,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure the home fans are very pleased with
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: his result, but a great performance by Andrea Kimi antonelli'vill
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: undoubtedly be more to come from him, because I thought
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it was interesting about as well. Listening to Total Wolf
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: after the race, he said, a lot of this year
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: has been about, but will increasingly be about now expectation management,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: because here's a young guy who's done nothing except when
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: on his way to FORMUD one had great expectations coming
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and even if we knew it was such a big step.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But again in ten races, I know it's felt like
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a long time because I guess ten races is quite
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a while, but it's not really that long. It's only
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of months. Has already got onto the podium
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: for the first time, and not in a lucky way.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Not in a fluke deserved to be. Their performance was great.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: This might be one of the few weekends Mercedes has
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: this level of performance in it, and he took that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: opportunity to Stier. Wasn't that far behind Georg Russel any
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: point this weekend as well. So expectation management now becomes
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: part of the game because we can't expect that necessarily
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: every week, but clearly it's becoming increasingly frequent.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Well, And the key thing is he's eighteen years old.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: You know, there's so much headroom and so much time
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: for growth here. I don't think it's going to take
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: very long, and I don't think this will be the
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: last time we're having that podium conversation. He's he's been
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: just about as good as advertised. And the crazy part
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: about it is he might be what eight years from
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: his peak in Formula one of him, it's completely wild
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to think that he might have a decade ahead of him,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: but he still might be still improving.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So yeah, lots to like. Yeah, alarming, isn't that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Jackie Steward's used to say a driver peaked at thirty
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: It's a long time.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Not man, So what you're saying is lant Stroll's nearly there.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: He's nearly there. He's just hag on to keep the faith. Canadians,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: keep the faith. We know you can still be there
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: at thirty always.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Certainly before we wrap this one up, about the crystal
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: ball brought to you by Complete home Filtration. What are
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you foreseeing in the next week or more of motorsport?
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: The key thing for me this weekend we have the
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Italian motor GP at Magello, one of the great race
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: tracks for any sport, but particularly motor GP. Incredibly high speed,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: incredibly undulating, fantastic quarter names. No thanks to you all
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: the things that I love about motor GP. But my
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: crystal ball this weekend is I don't think that the
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five motor GP World Championship is necessarily up
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: for grabs here, but I think if it's going to
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: be a run to the finish that we all want,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: this is almost must win for Peco Banyaya at his
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: home Grand Prix on Decati's home Grand Prix against Mark Marquez.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: He's got to stand his ground here and the good
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: news for Peco in the next ten days we go
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: to Magello, where he's won the last three years in
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: a row, and then we go to Asen, where he's
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: won the last three years in a row, and we
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: know that it's been a struggle for him this year
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: relative to his teammate. Unlocked something at the last race
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: at Aragon that should that transform his season. He's coming
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: to probably his strongest two tracks in the space of
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: a fortnite. This shapes to me as a super important weekend.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to win his fourth Italian Grand
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Prina Row. I don't think he's necessarily going to challenge
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: for the title, but I think this is the weekend
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: where he plants his flag and says, all right, I'm
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: still here. I'm still really really good on this bike.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: And you also know psychologically that Marquez, being the Spaniards
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: in the Italians backyard, he would love to create a
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: little George Russell mischief and win this race this weekend.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: But I think we might get the Intra team to
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: caddy fight that we've wanted all season. But I think
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: it's Spanya who wins it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Oh look, we'd all love to see it as well.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Very popular victory and Italian winning on Italian soil, Fingers crossed, what.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Have you go?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go over to Supercars Land. We've got
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the Darwin triple Crown. I'm usually close to the previous race,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: only a fortnight between them, and the rules have change
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: this year. For anyone who's been keeping track of the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: triple Crown, I don't think of you if you're not,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: because it's proved almost impossible to win. I think it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: just because winners ever, and so the criteria has changed.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Supercars organizers have said, or Darwen organizers said, look, no
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: one can do it. No one can win all three races.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: It's unlikes and not like supercars for one driver to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: sweep an entire weekend of victories. So now if you
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: get the most points, so a conventional perpetual trophy rule,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and I think that's almost certainly means it's going to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: be brock Phene's. He has been so good at Darwin
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years, so he've been the sport
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years, but he's been so good there.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: It's really it's not his home territory, but on the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: quality home territory for the purposes of his level of performance.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So he's actually going to finally win this. We're actually
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: going to finally find out. I know you, do you
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: think if you have got twenty twenty and there was
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a previous winner of the triple crown, perhaps I'm actually
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: going to find out what that trophy looks like. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I personally hope it is a real crown. If anyone's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: been thinking about this, if the winner does not get
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: an actual three pointed crown, then they've missed a trick.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Well, they've had five years to get it right, so
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: you would hope so that that's a good call. Because
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: how he's how he's not worn the aforementioned crowd previously
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: based on his results, there is a little bit of
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: a mystery, but yeah, you might be right. This could
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: be the weekend that he rights that particular wrong.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's got to be a crown, guys, it's right in
• 37:53
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