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Asmongold is wrong about why V-tuber Kitsunero was... | Maintaining Frame 153 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honeybatcher Radio. My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame number
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  Speaker 1: one fifty three. We're gonna be talking about the recent
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  Speaker 1: I guess like, well, it's it's it comes, you know sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: like good things come from the strangest places. And in
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  Speaker 1: the world of the world ofvtubing, which is small but growing,
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  Speaker 1: it seems that there is where, you know, men and
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  Speaker 1: boys are getting sympathy from a place that maybe most
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  Speaker 1: would not expect, and that's thevtubing space. And well some
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  Speaker 1: people aren't happy about that, so.
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  Speaker 2: Really unhappy. Oh yeah, So just to give you guys
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  Speaker 2: an overview, I'm gonna need some help with the name
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  Speaker 1: First of all, what's let's well, we should probably just
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  Speaker 1: tell people about the things, and also like why we're late.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, all right. So essentially I went to
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  Speaker 2: the Badger Cave and if you guys don't know, it's
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  Speaker 2: Victoria Day for US Canucks, which is supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: a national holiday. So that means all the town is
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  Speaker 2: shut down, and apparently the people from are the men.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say people because I've never seen a
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  Speaker 2: woman out there from the provincial telephone company, or actually
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  Speaker 2: I think they're linemen. They are replacing. They're not the
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  Speaker 2: telephone people, that was a different thing. They are replacing
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  Speaker 2: the electrical poles bringing electricity. And when I got to
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  Speaker 2: the Badger Cave about an hour before the streams started,
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  Speaker 2: I saw them out there and I actually put up
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  Speaker 2: a short which is a little bit like snide, but
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  Speaker 2: not about the the lignement of just about how they
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  Speaker 2: aren't really appreciated. But I saw them taking down the
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  Speaker 2: old pole across the street from Badger Cave and they
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  Speaker 2: just had trundled the new poll in and I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is gonna take hours. And we had no power,
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  Speaker 2: no power in the Badger Cave at all. So I
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  Speaker 2: went home and I set up here, which is not
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  Speaker 2: the greatest backdrop. It's it's just a plain beije wall
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  Speaker 2: with my stripey blanket behind it. And yeah, so that's
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  Speaker 2: that's why we're late. It's also why I'm not broadcasting
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  Speaker 2: from the Badger Cave. And yeah, so there you go,
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  Speaker 2: us apologies for the lateness. I just I didn't even know.
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  Speaker 2: I think they they I mean, the Badger never sleeps.
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  Speaker 2: So I was going to work on Victoria Day, and
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  Speaker 2: they probably assumed the whole town would be shut down.
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  Speaker 2: It would be the perfect time to change the electricity
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  Speaker 2: pole feeding the town because there's nothing else open. But
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately that meant that I couldn't stream and that we
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  Speaker 2: had to delay it. And I had no advanced notice
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  Speaker 2: at all, because again I think they just said it's
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  Speaker 2: Victoria Day, everybody's gonna be shut down. We don't need
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  Speaker 2: complaining because it's gonna be great because they are putting
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  Speaker 2: in better power polls. And I think somehow the telephone
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  Speaker 2: is involved as well. Do not ask me how or why.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so those are the things, write them down,
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  Speaker 1: All right. So let's get into this. Okay, So first
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  Speaker 1: things first, some of you are probably wondering what is
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  Speaker 1: a VTuber because these are This is basically about VTubers. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to preface this by saying that I have
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  Speaker 1: been followingvtubing for a while since about twenty sixteen, just
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  Speaker 1: as like, I saw it as like another way of
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  Speaker 1: entertaining people on social media, and it turned out that
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  Speaker 1: it blew up, you know, more than I expected. Vtubeing
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  Speaker 1: started in twenty sixteen, at least what it's well best
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  Speaker 1: known for in Japan, with a character named Kizuna I,
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  Speaker 1: who you probably have seen in meme videos and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. And essentially they are virtual YouTubers, a content
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  Speaker 1: creator that uses a digital avatar, often animated in two
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  Speaker 1: D or three D to interact with their audience online.
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  Speaker 1: The avatars are typically controlled through motion capture technology or
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  Speaker 1: some kind of software that tracks the movements, facial expressions
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  Speaker 1: and all of that, and they're they're varying in their
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  Speaker 1: quality and stuff. And yeah, so there's been around a while.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, like back in the time of gamer Gate,
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  Speaker 1: I used to use one. I didn't know it was vtubing.
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  Speaker 1: I just there was this doge avatar. I still use
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  Speaker 1: it sometimes and I talked through it and so like
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  Speaker 1: that's an example, okay, But where the vtubing is very
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  Speaker 1: popular is with you know, females or maybe men using
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  Speaker 1: voice changers that pretend to be you know, cute anime
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  Speaker 1: girls and they just interact with their audience like another
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  Speaker 1: way of entertaining people. So the thevtubing community is various,
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  Speaker 1: just like any other. But for whatever reason, this one
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  Speaker 1: named Keithsuneo, she's on x known as Kittsennaro vt. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that this is a German YouTuber and she normally
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  Speaker 1: presents as a Fox girl. I've only ever heard of
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  Speaker 1: this one as a result of this incident and Kinscenaro
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  Speaker 1: made a post that just said men deserve to be
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  Speaker 1: loved and treated right, and it blew up one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and nine thousand likes, ten thousand retweets, and lots of comments.
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  Speaker 1: At least it might be more than that, because again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm logged in on my.
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  Speaker 2: No, but this is me. This is me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm logged in sharing it. Yeah, you're writing.
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  Speaker 2: Account, my writing account which is at chander addic, But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is me. So the latest numbers are one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and nine thousand likes, ten thousand retweets, three thousand comments,
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  Speaker 2: seven point six bookmarks. So I guess there was a
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  Speaker 2: lot of guys who needed to hear a message like this,
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  Speaker 2: and you would think that this would be just entirely positive, right.
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  Speaker 1: But of course a lot of people flipped out, and
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  Speaker 1: let's see look at let's look at some of the
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  Speaker 1: negative comments. It's some positive here, you know, abso fing
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  Speaker 1: lutely and everyone loved that. Whoever responded poorly? Okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: just see. I wish this wasn't a controversial statement to
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  Speaker 1: some people. Okay, normal positive statement. The response anxious misundersts,
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  Speaker 1: why are you posting this? Confident mis interests? No, they
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  Speaker 1: don't they should stfu anxious misogynists. Why are you posting this?
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  Speaker 1: Be confident misogynists? Women deserve to be blank. This escalated
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  Speaker 1: very quickly. I bet you get a lot of hate
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  Speaker 1: from toxic feminists. Oh here's one. Hart says, oh shut up,
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  Speaker 1: and this person I think. Yeah, this person is described
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  Speaker 1: as an XO XO from l I A proud evil
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  Speaker 1: woman twenty three chronic Yapper engagement ring. So somebody that
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  Speaker 1: is getting married and just does not like that. So
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  Speaker 1: is there is there anything else that that you thought
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  Speaker 1: was really I mean, you can look at the posts
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  Speaker 1: and control them. You're the one that controls. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean you know it's like she's gonna get
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a launch, a lightning rod for all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of people's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Men deserve love.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's gonna men deserve love. Of course, they'll
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  Speaker 2: say that this this goes without saying why are you
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  Speaker 2: even saying it? Even though if it went without saying
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  Speaker 2: then most people would just be like, yes, thank you
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  Speaker 2: and captain obvious and then move on right like it
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  Speaker 2: would just be the statement akin to everybody deserves a hug,
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  Speaker 2: and people would be like, well, aren't you a ridiculously
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  Speaker 2: redundant ray of shunshine? But that's not what happened Kitsune.
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  Speaker 2: It is Knsune. Kitsune says men deserve to be loved
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  Speaker 2: and treated right, and the femosphere took that personally, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna just start calling them the femosphere, because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there is definitely a femosphere. It comprises the TikTok women
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  Speaker 2: who say they don't need a man or and then
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  Speaker 2: detail how awful men are, and then you know, a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years later, are crying in their car about
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  Speaker 2: how no man loves them to wish. I would say,
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  Speaker 2: why would you, like, why would you want something in
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  Speaker 2: your life you obviously detest? And then and then you
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  Speaker 2: have the female dadating strategy people, and then you have
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  Speaker 2: the feminists and the rad fems, and you have like
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  Speaker 2: the sub communities of women with eating disorders that that
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  Speaker 2: that clump together and reinforce each other's psychosis. So I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's a femosphere out there.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually, in my opinion, more disturbing than the manosphere.
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  Speaker 2: So the femosphere found this this well, it's also institutional.
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  Speaker 2: The femosphere also includes feminist academia and all of the
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  Speaker 2: disturbing shenanigans that they get up to without any kind
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  Speaker 2: of oversight against you know, they're they just they just
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  Speaker 2: sit like they're the there are. They are the armed,
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  Speaker 2: uh organized criminals of the academic world. Everybody else is
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  Speaker 2: terrified of them. Every other academic in in academia is
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  Speaker 2: terrified of the feminists because the feminists periodically just you know,
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  Speaker 2: stomp down the halls and say that's a nice department.
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  Speaker 2: Shame if someone would accuse it of being sexist, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and and everybody just opens up the tithe to them.
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  Speaker 2: They're all fucked. They're all terrified of feminism. So I
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  Speaker 2: would say that feminism is the institutional femosphere. It has
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  Speaker 2: influence in media, academia obviously, in government, huge NGOs that
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  Speaker 2: seem to do two things, pay their board members incredible
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  Speaker 2: salaries for a half hour of work and give kickbacks
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  Speaker 2: to the Democratic Party, you know, and it's like, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's huge, it's huge, it's institutional. If you look at
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  Speaker 2: the femosphere, it's probably a several tens of billion dollar industry.
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  Speaker 2: The by comparison, the manosphere probably doesn't even make like
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  Speaker 2: fifty million. The femosphere, like if you if you could could,
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  Speaker 2: if you could place the femosphere beside the manosphere, the
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  Speaker 2: themosphere would be I'm trying to get the right proportions
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  Speaker 2: Mount Everest, and the manosphere is a ert get the
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  Speaker 2: relative proportions there. And yet the real problem is, of
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  Speaker 2: course the manosphere. But anyway, Kitsuna, she says, men deserves
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  Speaker 2: to be loved and treated right. And you know, just
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  Speaker 2: imagine the dark the death Star leap motif from Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars starting to just rise in the background of her
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  Speaker 2: saying that I don't do you do that that you
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  Speaker 2: can hear that the death Star that the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the music they use to introduce the death It's just
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  Speaker 2: slowly rising as you listen to this tweet, as the
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  Speaker 2: femosphere moves it into position to absolutely annihilate alder On
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  Speaker 2: this this woman so and what ended up happening. And
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  Speaker 2: she said this, and in a normal world people would
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  Speaker 2: be like they would be like, oh, that's sweet, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe if they were particularly cynical, oh that's redundant sunshine bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: You know, are two crystals and hearts, girl, you know
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  Speaker 2: at twinkly stars and glitter you just you know, and
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  Speaker 2: they would. But no, this is not a normal world.
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  Speaker 2: This is a world in which the femosphere lurks, the
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  Speaker 2: the fempire is afoot. And so they brought their death
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  Speaker 2: star in view of Kidsune and they've fired. So she's
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  Speaker 2: docks because she said that. And I will move on
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  Speaker 2: to the tweet from the I think the first rising
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  Speaker 2: wave of tension from the femosphere. Just excuse me, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not used to.
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  Speaker 1: Light post.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna switch. Let me just
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  Speaker 2: figure out how the hell to do that. Yep, there
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  Speaker 2: we go.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, if you're sharing tabs, you can just okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there we go. So yeah this one, Yeah, I can
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  Speaker 1: see it. Yep, it looks good. Lysion shared this. This
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  Speaker 1: is not the person who made this. This is a dissenter.
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  Speaker 1: This is a agent of the fmosphere I guess, as
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  Speaker 1: Alison describes it. And they say another v tuber drifting
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  Speaker 1: to the right, using culture war as the focal point
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  Speaker 1: of their politics, buzzword buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, and they
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  Speaker 1: share screenshots of videos from a different v tuber named
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  Speaker 1: I guess Squaw squ is shocked at how violent feminists
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  Speaker 1: on the internet are, and another comment squ is fed
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  Speaker 1: up with women punching down on men and and it's
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  Speaker 1: a skew chan. Skew Chan says the amount of people
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  Speaker 1: in comments who just don't get that men want a cute,
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  Speaker 1: loving girlfriend is beyond me. They call them creeps for
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  Speaker 1: wanting actual love and not a girl boss who only
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  Speaker 1: wants your money. And then there's a sad face emoji
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  Speaker 1: now or a spoilt girl. Yeah. So, like, I've been
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  Speaker 1: seeing this for a while, and I've even had people
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  Speaker 1: reach out to me and ask me to try to
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  Speaker 1: get one of these v tubers on. But I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: give you a theory as to why I think this
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  Speaker 1: is happening, because these aren't I mean, the tubers are
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  Speaker 1: like any other person on social media. Obviously, they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get attention, you know, in some way. Most of
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  Speaker 1: the time, that's what women on the internet are doing.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes it's not necessarily bad that they're looking for
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  Speaker 1: reach or attention because that's what we're doing too. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily make it bad by you know, by default.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think it's bad if somebody's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: out there being like a thought and they're just putting
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  Speaker 1: out like showing some skin or skippy clothes. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't personally find it like respectable, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not like telling them they can't do it. And obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they can make a lot of money that
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  Speaker 1: way or get a lot of attention. It may not
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  Speaker 1: be good for their soul, it may not be good
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  Speaker 1: for you know, their future downline like it depending on
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  Speaker 1: where what choices they make after that. But the truth
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  Speaker 1: is is that that is the nature of social media.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's trying to be seen and heard. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with that in you know, on principle, right,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it just comes down to how you do it.
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  Speaker 1: Andvtubing is like a way for people to get out
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  Speaker 1: there without necessarily sharing too much about themselves, like who
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  Speaker 1: they are. But also I think that there's a there's
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  Speaker 1: like a it's like cosplaying, you know, you're like dressing
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  Speaker 1: up as a character. And I think that YouTubers in particular,
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot of men in their audience. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that because they have a lot of men
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  Speaker 1: in their audience, they're communicating with a lot of men
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  Speaker 1: they're learning things about these men that maybe you know,
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  Speaker 1: like an ethought wouldn't get. Like it's like a different audience, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's no like, there's no like Saudi princes messagingv
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  Speaker 1: tubers ask them to be flown out to Dubai so
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  Speaker 1: they can take a dump on their chest. These are
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  Speaker 1: like guys that are into anime and stuff, and so
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  Speaker 1: that's probably why they like these these YouTubers, because they're
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  Speaker 1: like cute anime girls. And I think it's like a
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  Speaker 1: slightly different audience. And so it could be. And I
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  Speaker 1: know some people will say, some cynical people will say
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  Speaker 1: they're just like you know, using these guys for emotional
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  Speaker 1: validation and all that. But but then there'd be no really,
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  Speaker 1: there'd be no need for them to come out and
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  Speaker 1: say that I think that these guys deserve love or
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that the way that feminists treat them.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't need to do that, and they would still
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  Speaker 1: make money. And there's plenty of people in the vtubing
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  Speaker 1: space that are pretty like you know, feminists and activists like,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not like it's completely clean of that. But
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  Speaker 1: I do think that there is like a strange disproportionate
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  Speaker 1: number ofvtubers that are more sympathetic to men than like
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  Speaker 1: three D women online are, And that's kind of weird,
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  Speaker 1: but it is. I think it is a phenomenon that
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  Speaker 1: I'm noticing. Like a few that come to mind are
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  Speaker 1: besides these, So this is skew Chan and Keith too.
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  Speaker 1: There's a number of Fox girls for some reason. But
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  Speaker 1: there's one named smug Alana who had been doing like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of reaction videos to like, you know people
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  Speaker 1: like the exploits of well, what's the name of that
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  Speaker 1: chick Bonnie Blue, the woman who banged like a thousand
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  Speaker 1: guys in a day. Or she'd be reacting to you know,
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  Speaker 1: girls on the whatever podcasts or like looking at you know,
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  Speaker 1: some like feminist content and giving her take, and she
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  Speaker 1: seems at least like, you know, critical of it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch a lot of it because, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: there it's easy to watch v tubers all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, like you got smug Alana, you got
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  Speaker 1: these guys. You got Kyusha, who's basically like when I
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: when I saw Kursha, she she her whole thing was
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  Speaker 1: she was doing these deep dives into things like Dei
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  Speaker 1: and Bridge and black Rock and everything, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that is really interesting because a lot of other v
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  Speaker 1: tubers were doing the same kind of thing, and again,
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  Speaker 1: it could be chasing the clicks, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that that is. They're not massive because of it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I think the biggest ones are still just sort
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  Speaker 1: of like playing up more mainstream things that everyone likes.
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  Speaker 1: But these people are going against the grain. So yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well I know that they're one going theory is because
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  Speaker 2: there's no you know, you don't show yourself physically, and
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  Speaker 2: the VT like that's completely neutralized as sort of a
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  Speaker 2: factor of competition.
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  Speaker 1: They can't they can't criticize you and your looks and
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  Speaker 1: say you're a pick me or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Well I mean really, I'm sure they'll call them a
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: pick me, but yeah, they can't. They don't. Yeah, there's
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: no the criticism on your looks is lesson. But that
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't what I was really getting at. It's like the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: competition is less in terms of looks and more in
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: terms of personality, which might itself lend itself to favoring
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: women who don't substitute feminism for a personality or intelligence.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: So they have to actually evolve interesting commentary interest interests.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You know, you see what I'm saying. So it's like
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: they because they're competing on the level of a personality.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And this isn't my theory, it's a theory that was
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: relayed to me by someone in our patron discord fagination
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: do online And you know, so I'm actually just just
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: suggesting it that because they're not competing on looks, they're
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: competing more on personality. Maybe that lends itself to not
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: being a feminist or at least not despising men and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: maybe even questioning the feminist framework that men oppress women
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: because you know, if you if you have a personality,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you're you, you don't need as much victimhood to get
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: through the day. Let's let's put it that way. You know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you don't have to be as much as addicted to victimhood. Okay,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So that's that's a that's a possible explanation, all right, Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that there's like like I said,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like if you're if you're talking to the same people
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: in your audience all the time, and streamers are usually
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like always online, Like I don't see how well, obviously
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do it, like I you know, I make
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: videos and I am like the doge on them and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I don't make any money. But that's because I'm a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: dude doing it. And that's just the truth. Like or
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not willing to like put my voice through some
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: AI voice changer and make me sound female. Oh, because
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: That's really funny because that's what I did, according to
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: another feminist. Yeah, going to another feminist I've been arguing
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: with I am actually a trans man or trans. Sorry, yeah, but.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: We don't like them. Now, are we back at that? Absolutely? Well?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I actually I called him out on that. I said, okay,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: so what you're calling me trans as a way of
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: dismissing me because you don't like what I have to say?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And he said no, just to just do. It struck
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: me that you were trans, Like why would you assume that?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Why would you assume? Oh I looked at your profile,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: so apparently I look like a man. Okay, And that's
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: not that's not that's not using trans as an insult,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Really? Okay? Anyway, So it's just like to speak to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: your point about YouTubers not being insulted for their looks. Yeah,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that's one thing they don't have to worry about, is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the kind of pushback. Although Kitsunni may have to worry
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: that about that because as a result of this tweet,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: she was doxed. You know that, right?
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes she was so Kitsu she did? She did?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: She not this one. You're looking at what is her
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: skew chan, but you go back to the other one
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: because you're currently displaying the skew chan post. So did
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Kitsu remove her account because they dosed her? I don't
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: think so, because I when I click on it, it
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: says that this person no longer exists. But it might
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: be because my account's banned as I upset commis online or just.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: A second, I just needed to respond to the Actually
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't, I should focus on this, but yeah, this
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: is uh no, I don't. I don't know what what
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the follout has been.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think she has h if you go to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: her page, not this one, but if you go to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the page of Keatsu, can you see her page? That's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: what I'm asking like, because when I click on it,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it says this account no longer exists, but it might
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: be because my account is like highly restricted. Oh no,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's up, it's up. I am not permitted to look
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: at this page because my account is suspended. But but
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I yeah, she's still on there, so she hasn't been
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: driven off of the internet yet. So uh okay, okay,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: so yeah, she's uh, this is not the German fox
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: this is no, this is the German Fox girl. Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she hasn't been driven off the internet. She's
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: she's and she's actually responded to all of this. And
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Osmond Gold found out about it and he responded to it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: But I feel like he's I think he's underplaying what
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: is actually going on, which is which is the subject
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: of the video, so I can share that and we
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: can take a look, all right, Yeah, just I know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I hear the skepticism in your voice. Oh crap. Instead
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: of switching, I did stop sharing, which is not what
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I needed to do. Uh, Osmond Gold, you know that's
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: us there? Nope, yes, here we go. All right, so
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: we got got the video. I put it in at
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: about fifteen fifteen minutes to twenty seconds in, which is
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I think when he sort of explains his his thesis
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: on why this happened. Okay, actually this is this is
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: her reacting to him reacting to her.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: So well, this is him. This is asthmen Goald reacting
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: reacting to what happened to Keiitsu, and then Keithsu learning
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: that asthmen Goal was reacting to her, and then she
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: goes to watch his reaction and now we're reacting to that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna drink.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, I just I think Actually, also, this reaction
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: was in real time, so she got a They actually
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: exchanged messages in real time. This is this is like
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: staring into the infinite hotel room of the of the webs,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you know, just like you know that if you show
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: mirror to a mirror, and now we're adding another mirror.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: So it's let's just let's just add to the chaos.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Eighty nine and three thousand bits. When did that even happen?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you?
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Oh my god?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Did you read the Kusha doc.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We We're in the middle of them till I was
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: told that Asmond was talking about me, which is coming up.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: What did I miss.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: It is?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I do want to I think if anybody has any
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: sound sensitivities because they're autistic this is not the stream
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: for you. It's utter chaos, criminal chaos.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's told us you could use some support.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, Where the heck did I miss this?
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Anyway? They're like vipers.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, here we go. This is where osmond and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and of course we have an ad to add to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the auditory chaos.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, with her cash in her bio.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, bro, you want to talk about toxic masculinity, yeah,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: sure you can get me on that. But let's talk
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: about toxic feminine behavior as well. These girls are so
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: fucking toxic. And my point is with that crazy girl
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: on warcraft.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's go back to the crazy girl on warcrafts right, I.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Still cared about the guilty. Oh what is this? Oh
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: my god? Men deserve to be loved and treated right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: And then so this was in March, and so it
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: got one hundred thousand likes, eight point four million views.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: A lot of people really seem to agree with this.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I genuinely didn't expect this to blow up as much
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: as it did. I also didn't expect all the positivity
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: in the comments. And then some person says, oh, shut up,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: proud evil woman, chronic yapper, and it says that she's married.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: That poor guy, oh.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Man, Jesus bro afsin chat from boy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: So they're basically attacking her her fiance here.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean so there. I think that they're saying
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that if a man is married to a woman who
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: would say that, then that man is probably going to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: have a hard time. I don't think it's an attack,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it's an acknowledgment, like dude, like, yeah, why are you
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and you're engaged to someone? No? No, no. The woman
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: who said shut shut up or whatever s t f
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: U to to Keithsune for basically just saying that men,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like the men deserve to be loved or whatever.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: That woman who said that, she is the one that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: was married. So a woman hating on men that also
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: happens to be at least engaged or something. And Asthma
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: was basically saying, like, f's in the chat for that guy,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: because like I mean, because yes, rip, it's all over
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: like yet no, I'm getting it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm getting it now. It's the sense is filtering in.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: So she's basically saying that men don't deserve to be
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: loved and she's actually engaged or married to one. Yeah
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that yes, yes, as.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: In the chat for him it sucks bro wow and
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: interaction bait. Nobody gives a shit and uh oh god bro,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: like you got a lot of these weirdos, right, yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: you definitely single.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not for everyone. Why would you even say that?
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Happily engaged as fucking lutely however, responded poorly.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Everyone loved this.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I wish this wasn't controversial, and so I bet you
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: get a lot of hate from toxic feminists. So do
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: you want to know the reason? Why is that a
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: lot of these girls? So you have to understand that.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: One of the reasons, so I learned this in World
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: of Warcraft, right, is so one time we had a
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: girl in our guild. I swear to God her name
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: was Emmy, but it was a different Emmy.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: But anyway, so the girl in our guilt, does.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Husband Gold have some a lot of deep lore about
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: women named Emmy. I'm just curious, tell is there?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see a short short clips pop up
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: every so often, you know, like shorts or even like
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: one minute clips of something. Because he's like always fighting
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: with Hassan. Men's rights activists are machines Parker, And because
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: so transitive property.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: We actually are you know? Okay, I will just get
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: it out, and I apologize for interrupting. Did you want
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: you wanted to do something? Respond to Haysan Parker for
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: some reason?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh, because Hassan did a spot on The Daily
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Show because they're trying to like make him into a celebrity,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: which of course Hassan is more than happy to do.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And I think, and basically what it's all like, you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: it's basically the same thing we've been covering for years now.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It's like the left saying, well, we have to find
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: a way to attract men, and so that's all it is.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: And Hassan is the latest solution. I swear every time
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the Cathedral comes forward with another pitch like, oh, okay,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: here's how we're gonna get the men, it's like Wile
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: E Coyote doing like these elaborate traps for the road Runner,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and the road Runner just keeps on moving because like
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: he's just reality. And these people can't actually, they cannot
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: have their problem addressed. They just can't because they would
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: have to undo their worldview in order to even begin
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to address that. And so these are two things that
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: cannot exist in the same headspace. It's just not possible,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: but they're gonna keep trying. And for them, it all
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: comes down to it's not really about addressing anything. It's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: not really about looking at men's problems and saying, how
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: do we solve these problems. It's not about that at all.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: It's only about how do we get men to side
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: with us? And that's it. We don't have to give
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: them anything, we don't have anything to offer. Yeah, it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like how do we trick how do we essentially how
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: do we effectively use rhetoric to get them on our
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: side because we're not going to give them anything of substance.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna sell them something. And that's really that's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: where it all comes. That's why they want, you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Hassan or some savior, some matt voice of manhood, which
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: they seem to think he is, to be like the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: guy that's that brings the men over. They want their
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: their their tape, yes, they want they want their pipe piper,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: their Andrew Tate, their Jordan Peterson. And obviously Hassan is
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: right at right at that level. So I think it'd
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: be really funny to look at that's all.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, yeah, definitely okay, so let me let
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: me continue this.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And Hassan's always fighting with asmen Gold because Hassan used
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to be the number one Twitch streamer and out of
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it was astro Turf because the people at Twitch ideologically
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: aligned with him, so they were like, yeah, they threw
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: him birthday party and shit. But Asthma Gold is actually
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: bigger organically, and he lives with cockroaches, so at.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Organically Lecuara chahl cucker. Okay uh, and now we shall
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: hear more of the lore of this woman named Emmy, yeah,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: who who is part of the World of Warcraft Guilt Guild.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Her name was Emmy and she was this might be
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: another surprise, a healer and so she was actually the
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: healing officer and so she posted a picture of herself
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: on like our guild website or on the discord and
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: she was hot. And so we had a conversation about
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: this on discord and my friend said to me, He's like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: this is this is a problem And I said, why
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: is it a problem?
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: He says, she's a hot girl and she's playing Wow
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: all day. Why do you think that? And I was like, uh, oh.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: My god, I'm shaking. I'm turning on alerts since reacting.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I swear to god she was stealing money out of
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: the guild bank. And when I called her out on
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: it in an officer meeting, she said she was doing
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: it to see if I would notice, to see if
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I still cared about the guilt.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Bro, I'm shaking.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: My boy called god.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: My boy called it a year in advance, okay.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And so anyway, ABC, and we got the money back.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a big deal.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: And so anyway, I guess you care, right, And so
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: that's what.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: It was, this girl, right, And uh, I don't know
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: what to say. Uh why do men want to be
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: us so bad?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: And so anyway, let me go back. I'll find a
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: few more of these here and a video. Yeah, there's
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: a whole video about this that she did. I'm not
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: looking exposed, Oh geez.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will think of this.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: A little bit. I don't want to go through the whole.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Came auditory care Okay, you nobody needs your commentary, right, No,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Something happened and the dog was alerted, okay,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: but I think he's quiet now.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: No more?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: All right, no more? Okay? If I look out there
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure there's a kid on a bike
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: or a squirrel. Okay, the squirrel can be there, but
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: it's fair.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she did make a video talking let's go there's
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: a lot of people. Yeah, most women don't won't do that, sadly.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: And then this is another one that no, they don't.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: And then you have this is another girl right here,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: and so with her cash app in her bio. Bro,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: you want to talk about toxic masculinity, yeah, sure, you
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: can get me on that, but let's talk about toxic
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: feminine behavior as well. These these girls, we're so fucking toxic.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: And my point is with that crazy girl on Warcraft,
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: is that a lot of these girls on the internet.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying all of them.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: On the internet, is because nobody wants to be around
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: them in real life.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, nobody likes them.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants to Okay, So that's basically his theory is
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: that these are isolated incidences of women that nobody wants
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: to be around. And fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: just I think it sort of simplifies the issue quite
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: a bit. And this is something I noticed a while back,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: uh years ago. Actually, I think it was even before
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: we got or I got or we I don't know
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: how it works. I don't know if you guys were
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: also banned got kicked out of Calgary Expo. And I
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: noticed that I would go on YouTube comments and I
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: would have these extended discussions with people on I guess
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: more of the left side of all of this, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: if the discussion lasted for any length of time, I
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: noticed that they would start to forget things that I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: had said, like a couple messages before, like they had
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: just done a shift turnover. And then when I say,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: what what's going on here? Like you you aren't even
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: following any of this. It's like you're a completely new
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: person who sat down at the keyboard, and they'd call
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: me like paranoid and stuff. And then later on we
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: learn that actually these opinions are being astroturfed by the
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Alphabet agencies in the US government. That sounds so paranoid,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And yet we have the receipts for all of this,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: We have the documents indicating that they have actually funded
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: initiatives to astro turf alternatives to the things that we say.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, right, Brian, Maybe you
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: can explain it better But but what I'm getting at
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: is this isn't necessarily isolated people. For example, radfem Hub
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: that was infiltrated by Ancient Orange, they were an actual
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: nexus of women in positions like nursing, childcare, kindergarten teachers,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that kind, and they were talking about enacting violence against
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the boys and men in their care, and untraceable violence too.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: So this is like, this isn't just like socially isolated
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: weirdos on the Internet. There's more behind this. It's more sinister,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: it's more institutionalized, and it rubs up against a bigger
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: narrative that is very much entrenched in our society, which
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: is that society is constructed for the benefit of men
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: at the expense of women, and that means that if
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: women express love towards men, they are expressing love towards
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: their oppressor. I even have that directed at me when
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I have conversations on Twitter and I point all of
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: this stuff out. Actually, this was a recent conversation on
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: YouTube and they said, well, women not having a concern
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: or care for their oppressors. And it's like this whole
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: narrative that we exist within actually makes it so that
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: women who express concern and care for men are singled
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: out for unique types of bullying. You see what I'm saying.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And it's not just these isolated strange women who are dysfunctional,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: because I'm an isolated strange woman who's sort of dysfunctional.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: But it's not just them. It's the whole narrative that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: makes it so that if a woman is expressing concern
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: for men, concern for men's issues, concern for men being
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: lonely or needing affection, then that woman is a a trader,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like a trader to all of womankind because she is
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: giving she's giving comfort to the enemy essentially. So it's
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: bigger than, like I said, it's just bigger than these
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: these erratic individuals engaging in this kind of toxicity put
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the you.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Know, the women are getting people docks and stuff. No, yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they're basically, like, you know, a symptom of that of
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the problem, which is like the overarching narrative, like you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: get the couple of extra crazy, extra anti social, you know,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and like man hating, like overtly man hating. I guess,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: because I think the whole thing is obviously man hating.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: But sometimes it's like one of these things that sometimes
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: it comes out in a real way and then you
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: get like the so called moderates and they're like, you
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: guys can't do that. It makes us all look bad.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: But instead of saying, you know what, maybe we should
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: question why were we in a position where that could
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: be normalized in the first place, So like, why are
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: we in a place where docsing could happen?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Or and that's you know, and that's that's really kind
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, like, let's say an unusual example.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: There's probably more uh serious examples of things that men
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: do to themselves without need of harassment because they feel
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: so unloved, uncared for, unnoticed and the yeah, I mean
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like and like I said in the outset, I'm sure
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: like you tubers are not out here trying to save
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the world, but I think that they are filling a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: specific need that a lot of guys, a lot of
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: people even I'm sure there are girls that watch as
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: well that they're getting out of it and the best
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of them are going to, like you know, continue to
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: attract that audience. So there's so as an example, I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: want to show you something smug Alana is when I
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I I've seen because she has she's I think she's
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: like nos Yurusha and I've seen Kirisha make appearances on
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: like all kinds of gamer gag stuff, so she's pretty involved.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But smug Alana's reacted to Advocate videos and so like
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: she'd like that's how close they are to the stuff
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, Like they're reacting to Emily King and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Advocate and you know other like much higher profile folks,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and they're in a in a supportive way, in a
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: positive way. And of course smug Alana supports the thing
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that was going on with Kyirisha, like where they tried
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: to like Vice tried to destroy Kyirsha's life basically her
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: reputation and you know, cancel her because they didn't like her.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: So Kirsha is pretty fun. Yeah, Alana's pretty based. Yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I'm saying there are and and that's weird, Like it's
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: sort of it's like I said at the beginning, it's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like you don't know where like you're gonna get support from.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And turns out the v tubers are gonna, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: save the West, I guess bring out the bring out
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the Fox two girls to save the West. Unfortunately Fox
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Girls too, I don't I don't know. Maybe Fox World
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: is just really popular with Yeah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe it is. I don't think that Osmond Gold is
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: saying that the v tubers are wanting money.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's saying that there's this type of woman
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: who engages in this kind of abusive behavior in order
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: to get attention. And hmm, yeah, I would, I would, honestly.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But but again, my my interpretation of this is that
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: it might be a lot more organized than you think.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Like targeting this message that men and boys deserve love
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: is something that it just it isn't something that just
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: has happened to Kitts Soonero like it happened to me. Uh,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: It's possible that you know, you know, just to go
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: down on memory Lane and apologize if I sound like
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I'm whining getting kicked out of the Calgary Expo for
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: simply saying that men and boys should be included when discussing,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: you know, victimization. And and my reason for why I
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: believe that was important that got me kicked out of
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the Calgary Expo lied about in the military, not the military,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the media of Western Canada. And and that was significant
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: because the Calgary Expo represented a company that basically managed
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: most of the expos in in Canada and then ended
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: up managing a lot of expos in in the US.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like an industry, it's like a it's a
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: career space that I got kicked out of and then
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: getting kicked out of the US and banned for five
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: years probably, I mean, there's a number of factors that
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: probably came together, but it probably didn't help that we
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: were likely on a Department of Homeland Security watch list
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: at that point in time. So you know, like this
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: this is I think this is a lot bigger than
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: just like crazies on the internet, and targeting this message
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: is institutional. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: certain amount of actual government money. I know this sounds
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: really freaking paranoid, but again, we have the receipts. We've
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: seen this government money specifically targeting people who say things
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: like men and boys deserve love. And I think one
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: of the reasons why is because it's it's against It
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: starts to question this command narrative that has been in
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: control of our society that men and boys are unfairly privileged,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: that women love them too much, they care for them
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: too much, and that that that then falls into all
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: of these disenfranchised groups. If you care about men, you're
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: disenfranchising them, you know. And this and this narrative is specifically,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, targeted towards you know, I never would
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: have said this, but I'm starting to believe it is
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: actually targeted towards destroying the relationship between women, men and women.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And I think that there's a lot of political interests
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: behind that destroying the relationship between men and women. And
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of institutional interests, academic, and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: there may be a lot of financial interests. There may
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: be less now now that we've been challenging DEI. But anyway,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: that's a thought. I don't know. And am I making
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: any sense there?
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'll say is that I don't think. I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: don't think asmen Gold is attacking thev tubers at all.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I think he's just sort of maybe he's missing the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: scope of the issue. And I think that's what you're
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: trying to point at, is that this is more than
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: just like a couple of nutters online or eternally online people.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: But there's like something behind that, something insidious, something backed
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: by three letter agencies, probably something much more like nefarious
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: at play. I will also say that the reactions the
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the so like they're not necessarily like the people who
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: are dissenting against these these v tubers that are speaking
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: out essentially in defense of men just being men, like
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: not even necessarily like love bombing them or anything. They're
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: just being like sort of common sense defense they're calling it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: So there's Lycion who screenshotted skew chan squd squitch. I
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: guess squid chan And said another v tuber drifting to
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the right, using cultural war as the focal point of
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: their politics. Like that's just buzzwords. But what it's saying
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: is if you defend men, you are far right. That's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: basically the argument. Okay, and this is not a strange one.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I know you guys have heard this before. Nothing crazy,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: but this is how it works, and this is how
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you know these people are like programmed to respond that way.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And the allegation is is that skew Chand doesn't really
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: care about men. She's like a culture warrior or something
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: wants to like change things towards the right, I guess,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: even though she's just another v tuber whose audience is
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: mostly just men. She just said. The amount of people
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: in comments who just don't get that men want a cute,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: loving girlfriend is beyond me. They call them creeps for
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: wanting actual love and not a girl boss only wants
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: your money. And this person's saying grifting. They're calling that
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: a grift to the right. And let me see, I'll
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: read some more of the responses. So Rosie Belmo responds
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and I think that's another v tuber looks like, yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: it is another v tuber and she says, this person
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't even talk about politics. I'm so confused, genuinely, why
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: are we attacking her? And the original poster says, these
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: are obvious political topics. I got these screenshots from her
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: official YouTube channel. They literally mentioned feminists and punching down
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: on the title. These aren't just speaking well about men.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: So and then Rosie replies and says, hmm, I guess
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I don't understand because I've seen many titles of people
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: ranging from feminism to vegan, et cetera, who are just
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: very loud on Twitter. Usually they don't represent the normal
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: majority whatever, and it's good to call out people when
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: they get when they get like this and are being
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: crazy online. So she's basically saying I don't see the issue.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: And then somebody says, double cheeseburger said, anyone who is
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: pro male is suddenly a far right grifter to you?
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: People ever think maybe you're just the negative one?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Is that's a good point.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, but lo, let I mean ask the audience. No,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I know I've been saying this forever. Anyone who's pro
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: mail is suddenly a far right grifter. Why would they
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: use that as an insult against you? Why? Well, why
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: do they think saying somebody is far right if they're
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: pro male? Why do they believe that that is a pejorative?
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: And why do they use it to try to change
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: your behavior? Just think about that? Just think about that?
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so and then somebody else said, caring about
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: and respecting men does not make you a bad person.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. And then somebody else asked another fee tuber said, fellas,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: is it political to be a man? Yes? Yes, that
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: is I meant to be the case. But yes, being
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: a man is political.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: It's a political statement to be a man. And this
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: is something that we like, I was talking about things
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: being institutional. Yeah, if you look at the stuff coming
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: out of psychology, they start talking about something they call
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: masculine ideology. Masculine ideology. Oh look, I got balloons. Cool.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And what they mean by that is they're turning masculinity
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: into a political position. And which is really interesting because
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: if you actually watch their rhetoric, and this requires just
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: sort of exposing yourself to a lot of different feminists
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: from a lot of different sources. They consider a political
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: movie feminism to be synonymous with sex women, and they
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: consider men to be synonymous with a political position. Can
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you believe that this is how the this is how
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: it's all been distorted. Feminism, which is a specific political ideology,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: is now a sex right. And and they conflate this constantly.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: So when you're talking about feminism, they say, oh, you
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: hate women. No, I hate the feminist conception. I don't
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: even hate it. I think it's disturbing, the feminist conception
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: of women as victims of men. I hate. I don't
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: like that. Right, But they say, no, you hate women
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: if you hate feminism. Right, So they've conflated that political
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: ideology with women. But it's not it's not a political ideology,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: it's just women. It's just women's benefit. Yeah, guys, how
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: could you be against that. But men, men, on the
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: other hand, have our masculine ideology or an expression of
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: masculine ideology. So yes, men are a political position. And
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: it's right there in the crap coming out about men
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: from psychology like feminist and tainted psychology, and in being
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: published by the American I don't know if they publish stuff,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: but no, that they do.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: They publish guidelines the American Psychologists Association, So right there
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: in the biggest psychologists, like the most influential organization of psychologists,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: believes stuff like this. And they also believe that masculinity
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: is a contributing factor to mental illness. And they're almost
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: to the point where they're saying that masculinity is itself
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: a mental illness. I mean, it's it's a very fine
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: line that basically they're not they haven't said it explicitly,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: but they're saying it's a contributing factor to mental illness.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: And what they specifically mean is men's desire to differentiate
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: themselves from the feminine is femophobia, as they call it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: So wanting to be something other than a woman is femophobia.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: And because men do not want to embrace female ways
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: of knowing. They embrace psychological self harm, psychological self harm
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that leads to suicide, you know. And that's the framework.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, being a man is a political position. Masculinity
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: is a form of mental illness. And you are all
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: really all men and boys are really suppressed girls suppressed
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: by the patriarchy. And there's no way to like, this
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: is the feminist conjecture. And nobody and the and the
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: and the right, I'm gonna call them out for a moment.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: The right is completely baffled where all these trans women
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: came from. And this is the feminist conjecture that nobody
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: in academia ha ever put even framed in a way
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: that could be put to the test. So this is
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: something that has never been proven, never been framed in
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: a way that could be proven true or false. So
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: we can't we can never say, okay, but what if
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: it's biology. What if the way that men behave, the
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: way that men think to impart is a consequence of biology.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: So it's not a political position. It's not them all
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: taking boys from in the dead of the night, from
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the crib and inculcating them with patriarchal toxins or some crap.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It's actually an effect of the unique biology of men.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: You can't do that. No, it's all has to be
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: under their control, so they can manipulate it in whatever
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: way to whatever ends they want. And of course one
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: of the carrots that they hold out in this manipulation
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: is at the end of the day, you know, if
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: you do, if you jump through every feminist hoop and
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: you and you dot every feminist eye and cross every
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: feminist tea and sign on every line, that you will
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: be an acceptable man. And I can tell you how
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: that they don't even want to do that, Like they
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: want complete control with no gratitude and no recognition that
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: you've even abided by the terms of their agreement, because
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: that would be emotional labor. So yeah, masculinity is a ideology.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: The the it's actually a mental illness. More like is
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: that if masculine ideology is an ideology, it's like an
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: ideology in which everybody wants to destroy, grape, beat and horror,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: do horrible oppression towards women. So it is barn on
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: the most evil ideology in the planet. Like it's like
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: it's Nazism is actually a lighter and softer subset of
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the masculine ideology. So it's the most appalling thing you
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: could ever be, or think, or say or want, is
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: the masculine ideology. But that can be solved, that can
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: be cured if women, specifically feminists, have control over men,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: then they can eradicate the satanic masculine ideology from the
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: male brain and men can be good. So that's why
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: it's not biological. But you cannot appeal to the bido.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: And I actually had this experience. I know, I'm going
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: on and on. I apologize. I had this experience recently
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: where I said, maybe the effects of society are a
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: result of biology and not you know, like and we're
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: making men apologize for their biology. And some feminists said,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's biological for men to use rape
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: and beatings to uphold patriarchy, And that wasn't really what
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I was talking about. I was talking about men's greater
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: interest in like computer science. But that's the attitude they have,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: that masculine ideology. It's not biological, it's social, and it's
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: the most horrible thing in all of human existence and
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: the way that we saw it, even though it's not
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: a biotruth, it's not inheran to men is that men
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: need all control over their sense of self to feminists. Okay,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I hope you guys got something out of that. That
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: was a bit of a long ring.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a super chat out of it. So
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Albatross gives us five dollars and says it's not far
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: FETs at all. Remember all the things USAID funded, they
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: were giving tran operation procedures to monkeys and mice. All right,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: thank you for that. Yes, that's true. Let's see. So yeah,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: so the vtubing Fox girls are gonna save I guess
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: they're gonna save men. So look out for your be
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: sure to give pats to your local v tuber if
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you want me. And yeah, and oh it's somebody in
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: the chat mentioned that you know that I should try
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: to get Kursha on. I've tried to do that and
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: like to no avail, but maybe I will at some point.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I know that like we sort of like travel in
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: similar circles, Like I've been on you know, some shows
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: with people who have been on shows who have been
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: on with Kersha. But I don't know, I'm I don't
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: know how to reach out to her, but I would
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like to talk to her about it. I bet that
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: she's smarter than you think. But then, like, there are
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: some things that I know. She said, for example, that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: mik Tao is feminism for men, and I know how
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: much that pisses off miktaw when they hear that. But
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: you have to understand that she probably just doesn't know
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: enough about it, and if she understood it, she'd probably
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: be more sympathetic.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: So melancholy poet says, just get in touch with her
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: mythic manager.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't know, is that a real thing.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what does that mean? Mythic manager. I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: don't even know what that means, but I would I'd
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: reach out to her. I'm gonna be talking on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: I have a fireside chat with with far from Eden,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: who is a female non feminist woman that I did
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: an interview with Paul Elim not that long ago, like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: a month or so. But she's gonna be on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: So I am getting on people. It's a company, okay,
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, there's like, is that the only way to
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  Speaker 1: do it? I'll I'll bring her on and we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think that if she's open minded,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: then you know, maybe it'll be a good conversation.
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  Speaker 2: So but yeah, that might be good. All right, So
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I promised you a show that wouldn't take too long.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Black fatigue, your thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of it's coming within the no, I'm ready
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: for it. A lot of it's coming from within the
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  Speaker 1: black population. So I don't know. Yeah, like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you know, Like I know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I've experienced it many times. I lived in Chicago for
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  Speaker 1: most of my life. But I think that, uh, I
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  Speaker 1: mean like we've given something a name, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a phenomenon that is not really new. And again,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of the people who dislike it are also
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: black themselves. And ultimately, you know, I tried to bring
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  Speaker 1: this up on X There was a video going around
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  Speaker 1: of a black father and he was throwing a pillow
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  Speaker 1: at a baby that was crying because he was annoyed
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: with it. And it was harsh, Like you know, I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: wouldn't say it was like, yeah, I wouldn't call it
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  Speaker 1: violent per se, but but it was. It was borderline
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  Speaker 1: like it was a baby, like a like a toddler,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: not a toddler, but like a like a baby baby.
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  Speaker 1: And people were talking about it, like this was just
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  Speaker 1: like something innate to black people. And I said, well,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: there are abusive people who exist, and some of those
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: abusive people are men. And it can be like, I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: don't know if this is his child or someone else's
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  Speaker 1: that he's being saddled with, like if he's like a
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  Speaker 1: stepdad or just like a guy that's watching the child.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: We don't know the story. And I said, but like,
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  Speaker 1: more than that, let's look at it another way. You
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: say that this is an example of men behaving badly,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and those men are black, Therefore black men behave badly.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that there's data that supports a lot
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: of stuff like that people claim, and I'm not pretending
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  Speaker 1: like that doesn't exist, but but I think the important
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: thing is it's very easy to point the finger at
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: the guy that's doing something and not consider, well, wait
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a minute, if that is the biological father of this child,
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  Speaker 1: who how did that child come to be? How did
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: that child come to exist? Could it be that a
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: woman had him? And if she did, did she choose
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  Speaker 1: to have it with this man? It looks like if
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: that is the father of that child, then she did
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: choose to have sex with that man, and have a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: baby with that man, knowing that that man was probably
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  Speaker 1: not a fit father, which I said in my posts,
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  Speaker 1: I said, there are there are men who are unfit
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  Speaker 1: to be fathers. There are women who are unfit to
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  Speaker 1: be mothers. And if you have sex with and have
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  Speaker 1: babies with a man who is unfit, then I can't
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of sympathy for you because you have
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: rewarded that man with a child when you could have
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: been a little bit more discerning and found a better
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  Speaker 1: man to father your children. I mean, like, you get
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the behavior that you incentivize. If you go after the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: wrong kinds of people and you want to have babies
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: with them, then you're gonna have babies with them. Women
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: do not have babies unless they choose to. Like they
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: literally have almost all the control over their fertility and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: they use it recklessly. And then we're just supposed to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: blame men because they're not stepping up, whatever the fuck
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: that means, when there's plenty of men that would be
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: willing to do it, but you're not choosing those men
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: because those men are not attracted to you, because they're
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: not the dangerous men that like set your loins ablaze.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: So like it. It's just it's an oversimplification. But why
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing all that up is to say that we
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: have a lot of criminality, bad behavior, lack of impulse control,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and just straight up violence and revenge. All of this
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: comes from generations of destroyed families and unsocialized people and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: like you know, soft on crime and all this other stuff.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: And that's what you're gonna get. And the truth is
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: is that I think the people who are primarily impacted
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: by black fatigue are other blacks, because they're the ones
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: that live with that. You know, it's just that they're
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: not They don't say anything because again, they also live
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: in a culture of you know, uh, stitches get stitches,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: so there's like a feeling effect around it, so some
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: but I think that that anyway, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that is everything that I want to say about it,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: but I'll say that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me let me ask a question. Black fatigue.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't that refer to being fatigued by this whole narrative
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: around oppression or racial oppression?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, no, No, it's it's black fatigue. Is people sick
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and tired of the whining and the violence and the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: lint and the you know, the mob of robbing, the crime,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: like all of the bullshit, all the bullshit coming out
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: of the black community. But again, yeah, like that that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: is a product of the absolute state of their culture,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: the family, and and like it just it starts somewhere
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: somebody's having babies and and men don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, you've got like you've got a point there,
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  Speaker 2: because every child that's born is the result of a
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: series of decisions by a woman and only a woman.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: So the only person at this point in time that
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: has the ability to prevent a child being born is
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: a woman and only a woman. So the question becomes
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: And I haven't actually seen this video, so I don't
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: know how hot harsh it is. Maybe he just needs
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: some therapy.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I was just using it as an example, but I
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: think he was like he lost his patience, lost his
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: patience with the baby and was you know, it was
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: like a couch, like those couch throw pillows. He was
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: throwing it at the baby while it was like lying there,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and again like people were shaking around like it were
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: so shocked in a gas and I was like, yeah,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: that doesn't look good, but like why, like you're not
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you're looking at these two individuals. You're not wondering how
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: did we get here? That's what I'm saying, how did
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: we get here?
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  Speaker 2: Because that is the other thing that I wanted to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: point out is if it is frustration and it's momentary,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: probably because the baby's fus or there are initiative to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: try to help people with those emotions, because newborn infants
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: are apparently incredibly taxing, and this is this isn't necessarily
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: he's throwing a pillow at it and it's not injured,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: then probably maybe therapy or anger strategies or something like
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: that would be more sensible. But it's so this the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: overall narrative around this is fatigue with the distractiveness and
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: the violence in the black community. Correct. I would argue that, no,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: there's another there's another component to all of this, because
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: the black community has been subject to an experiment, which
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: is the government, and this is a this is a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: partisan initiative as far as I know. So it was
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: both the Democrats and the Republicans who decided, and I'm
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: going to frame it in a way that may not
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: be framed by other people. They decided to go into
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: the black community and outcompete Black men right, and then
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: that and we see this form of deterioration wherever it
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: is done, like you see it in Africa around aid
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: to areas. When you artificially suppress a local economy through aid,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: you get gangs because it no longer is about producing resources,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: It's about distributing and controlling resources. And this is you
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: see this over and over and over again. So by
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: getting into these communities and just dumping finance, financial resources,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: but specifically on women to have children, and that's what
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: it ended up happening, then you create the precondition for
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: violence and destruction. And yeah, there's there's definitely individual responsibility
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: to take particularly because the government institutions that did this
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: are never going to take responsibility for it. They're never
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: going to stop doing it. So their only play that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: change can happen is from the individual, on the individual level,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: from people in these communities that are affected by these
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: para frankly parasitic and predatory behaviors by government. And I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: just wanted to point that that out as well. I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: mean that a lot of the violence and the and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: the fatiguing violence and disruption is because when you dump
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: unaccountable resources on a group of people, what ends up
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: happening is they shift from making resources to defending and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: distributing resources, controlling resources, and that favors violence. Does that
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: make sense?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean it's it's gonna have to be
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: black women that step up though, otherwise nothing's going to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: change because I mean they're going to if they're going
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: to reproduce with thugs, then there's we're just gonna have
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: thuggish kids. And black women have no in that well
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: other than like common sense and wisdom, like they're there,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: it's going to be difficult to sell them on that.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean we could blame the government too.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not against that, but ultimately, like the only way
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: that's going to change is if black women change.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well, I mean there's a there's there,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Like I I talked to I talk about this with
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: people who've experienced abuse from their parents. It's like, yeah,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: that's that's not your fault, but is your responsibility going forward?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: You have to revolve that. I know it's not necessarily
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: completely black women's fault that the government decided to treat
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: them like a bunch of rab lab rats.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm saying they're the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: ones that have to change it, though, like yeah, no, no,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: you are, Yeah, Okay, there's.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: A difference between something being your fault and also when
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: you're starting to perpetuate it generationally, it starts to sort
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: of become your fault, something being your fault, right, and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: something being your responsibility. In some cases it's both black
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I would say that it's both black women's and their responsibility,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: but in terms of starting this ball rolling down the cliff,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think that is. But still, you're right, is
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: there a responsibility? They're the ones who determined Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: It's like when I said, yeah, when Lyndon Johnson started
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: the Great Society and was like, this is what we're
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: going to do, it was Linda Johnson yeah and essentially said, okay,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: black women, we will the government will give you money.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: You just have to keep men out of the home.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that women up today are to
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: blame because we're talking about something that happened in the sixties.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: But at that time when the women were given the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: choice between a father and the home, which could come
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: with the risk of like, you guys might have some
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: financial hardships because he might lose a job, or something
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: might happen, the factory might get shut down, whatever, and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: then you have to just like, you know, regroup and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: like tighten your belts and get through it. But it's
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: gonna be what's best for the kids and the family
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: in the long run, versus just kick him out and
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the government will give you a check, no questions asked,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: as long as we know he's not there. And they
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: signed off on that, and they said, yes, I will
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: do that, and yeah, I'm sorry that that screwed over
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: future generations. And I'm not blaming people who are alive
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: today they had to deal with that, but that did happen,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: and those women made that choice, and so like that's
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: the thing, Like we have to stop acting like that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: didn't happen, because every time I hear about what's going
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: on with, you know, the black population, it always comes
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: back to, well, men need to start they getting the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: man up and raise their kids. And it's like, but
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: like there's no incentive for the women to keep those
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: guys around. And also there are plenty of men who
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: want to be involved with their children, and those men
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: are also black, and they're willing to do like, you know,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: whatever jobs. Some of them are working class, some of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: them are middle class, some of them are even like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: maybe in their engineering or something. But the women are
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: not choosing those men they are they are not interested
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: because they're they're the entire framing of what it is
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: a value in a man when you're in like the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: hood or like in an urban you know, the urban
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: environments is a man that's going to be able to
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: defend you and your children by force. So that's what
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: they look at. Not the men who are like earning,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like a like a in a let's say,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: like a you know, reasonable decent job that may not
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: pay like a lot, but it's you know, honest work.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Those men are not attractive. And and it's again I'm
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: not blaming anybody alive today because I think that it's
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: something that happened over time where you know, the local
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: drug dealer or pimp or gang leader or whatever was
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: the alpha in the area. And if you never leave
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: that neighborhood that's like the only guy you know, well
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: then that's what you're gonna go with. But like what
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: we what I'm just saying that what has to be
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: understood is this didn't come from nowhere. Women chose it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: back then. We're still dealing with the effects of it now,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: and it's coming out in ways where it's sort of
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: like spilling out into other communities, which is why you
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: have black fatigue, because people who are just trying to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: like live their life and like, you know, I just
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: want to say, you just close your window. I don't
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: know why you did that. Are you there? Oh?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, I'm here. I'm here.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry about that.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I've just been cleaning it up because I was trying to.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I was trying to. I was trying to show the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: other tab that you just sent. I'm not I'm just okay.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just all right.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I'm frantically in the backdrop here. Oh oh am my
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: internet just fucked itself. Sorry, guys, I'm like, everything is frozen.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Let's see if I can get this working. No, I
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: do not want to leave the site.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I will I can. I can share a thing instead
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, we.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Just well, I have it, but yeah, if you do
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: want to share it.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: But I think it was.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Thought that I figured it wasn't a big deal.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Because it's not. It was just something I was sharing
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: with that that was funny.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's not have anything to share so about the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: black fatigue thing.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: But okay, there we go.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: We got that, we got you to I think, yeah,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Pretty much covered. I would I would add that, like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I said, when you start dumping resources on a community,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: what ends up happening is that the the culture switch
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: chips switches from developing resources for itself to protecting those
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: resources and like controlling those resources, which means it switched
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: to switches from productive to violent. And I think that's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing. But anyway, so he wanted to share
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: this what what is a little bit of a fan art?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Oh no, this is just a piece of fan art
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: a guy made. Uh. I think it's a lot of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: this happened. Yeah, we're only getting cheeky, breaky from here
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: on and it's got I think those are like three
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: of the different YouTubers that were being attacked or whatever
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: got involved with this whole controversy. Kirsha, that's the kids
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: su Naro on the left, Kirsha in the middle, and
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Squeet Skew, Squid, Squid whatever I don't know on the right.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: So Squoche, are you guys seeing everything okay, and I
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: think there's like it seems to be like a delay
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: or something on the stream.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, like it's because of my crappy internet,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: to be honest. Yeah, all right in my video camera. Yeah,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: let's I mean, the only other thing I let me
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: see if let me look at my little bag, grab
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: my grab bag bag grab. Uh, there's a really cool
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: quadrupedal motorcycle coming out of Kawasaki. It's just conceptual though,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: so I don't know. We could look at this this, this, this,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: this thing, this might be interesting. Let me let me,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: let me let me load it up into my share
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: this tab instead. Yes, okay, so can you guys see this?
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't hear anything. I don't see it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't hear it what I'm sharing it.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: I don't see it unless unless it's your interner is
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: doing something.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: No, my internet's not doing anything. It's just being like
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you just can't see it. Uh, what
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: are you doing? Internet? What are you doing? Video ninja? Okay,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: all right, let me let me see.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Let me see you're moving some things around. That's not it. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you can put it in that tad.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, there we go, Oh this one.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, food into a fish pond after shinzo Abe did,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: why are you trying to make that a negative story.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: It's all of these hoaxes. The very fine people hoax.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: I remember the line, Yeah, they're they're never called Nazis,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: fine people. He said, there were very fine people on
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: both sides except the.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: Neo Nazis and white nationalists. We should be condemned totally.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: He said.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: He said that, Holy shit, brother, don't live in your
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: bubble man, I don't. You don't live in the fucking news, dude,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: Come the fuck on, you don't read the fucking news.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: This is what fucking blows my mind.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: No, I his I remember describing this man as a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: massive slob, the guy Adam. I think it's Adam ruins everything.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: He has, this incredible fucking level of smugness. It must
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: be it's it should be registered like a freaking weapon. Okay,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: let's let's finish this.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I just don't have.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Did not Sorry, did you say something, Brian?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I said, it's a WMD. It's a WMD, a weapon.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Of mass distraction. Yeah, I can hear you here, you now, Okay,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: let's finish this.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: Paul Neo Nazis and white supremacists.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Very fine people.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: Bro, it's been almost ten years and you still think
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: he did.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: That's I doesn't say I think he did.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: I just don't know what you're talking about, because I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: don't like, don't it's not about.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: This was everywhere though, like this was like it doesn't
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: you know, like he doesn't have to listen to the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: evil far right Tim Poole in order to be aware
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: of this rhetoric because it was from his side. Okay,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: all right, all right, but I guess he's going to
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: pretend like he's just incredulous. This is the most annoying
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: debate tactic. I don't know if you guys have noticed
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: the I don't know what you're talking about. I don't
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: want what what what? What? What you're saying? Feminism talks
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: about men oppressing women. It does not. I have never
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: heard of that. You've seen you guys have you haven't
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: even encountered that. That just let's pretend that the reality
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: isn't what It is not.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: About listening to my bro. It's reading the news. It's
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: fact checking, bro. I got Snopes for you. They're not
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: a conservative publication, even Snopes like, guys don't know why.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: You're I don't know why you're shouting at me. I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: was just asking you to explain.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: Because the issue you have. And I apologize. I'm not
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: trying to shout at you. I'm shoting an exasperation that
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: we've had two liberals on in the past two weeks
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: who didn't know this, and I'm just like the love
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: all is holy. I just all I do all day
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: is I read.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, tim, no offense. This is a debate tactic. The
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: course they know this, of course they know about it,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: but because their side is not going to be flattered
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: by recognizing it, then they just pretend it's It's like
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: the same debate tactic that I called out before. Feminists
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: will start an argument by conceding everything, and then they'll
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: start pretending that it's just not true. It's like, oh, yes,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: the emperor has no clothes. By the way, here is
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: my fifty page dissertation on why the emperor is indeed clothed.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: And it's like, and it's not about recognizing reality, it's
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: about giving the emotional impression of being correct. You get
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying right, he's giving the emotional impression of
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: being correct with his reponen your weapons, great snugness.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: He got what he wanted out of it, which is
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: the only victor he could get. He got timpoole to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: say I'm sorry because he made he was like, why
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: are you yelling? It's basically saying why are you triggered,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: which is basically saying, if you're emotional, that means you're wrong.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: Even though Tim is frustrated by his obvious obtuseness, but
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: that's on purpose. Like, these people are not brainwashed, they're
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: not stupid. They're not being like they're They're not they're
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: not being illogical in a way that you can explain, like, oh, oh,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: I see you. You seem to misunderstand here. Let me
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: let me explain all of the reasons why this logic
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't follow, so that you will join me. Take my hand,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: and I will take you on a journey to the truth,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: because I know that's actually what you want, because you're
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: a good person that believes that you know, if we
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: want to make the world better, we should start from
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: the truth. So tear take my hand and I'll show you. No,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want that. They just want to win, and
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: to win, they will say whatever they have to say.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Remember I said earlier, this is how you know you're
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: dealing with these people when they they don't talk about
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: like what's true, Like why is Hassan Piker being pumped
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: up by the Daily Show in this like which I'm
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: not gonna do today, but we could maybe save it
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: for Friday or something. And they're bringing them on and
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: what do they say, what was it that that that
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: shoot shoe on Head did a video about And she
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, we wanted Joe Rogan on the
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: left and she said, you had one. His name was
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, which, by the way, she was wrong about that.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan was just a guy. He had like opinions
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: over here and over here. He wasn't He wasn't someone
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: who was a mouthpiece for the team. He was just
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: a guy. And there was shit that he said that
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't like. But but at the end of the day,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: it's fine, Like I get, you know, like he could
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: be wrong about things, but he wasn't trying to be
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: like a mouthpiece of a team. He was just a guy.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: At least he was trying not to be and so
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: like when these people say, oh, we need we need
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: our Andrew Tate, what they think it comes down to
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: is we have to appeal to men, but we're not
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: going to give them anything. We have nothing to offer them.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: We actually still hate them. We agree with all of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the things that we've been saying about men in masculinity
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: for the past those hundreds of years has been going on.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: None of that's changed. But the problem is is that
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: the men know that we think this. So what we
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: have to do is we have to change the rhetoric
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: so they don't know and they think that we're just buddies.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: What is it that guy's like, is it hunting? Is
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: it pickup trucks? Is it titties? Is it cambo hats?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Is it guns? Let's give them all of that. Remember
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Tim Walls coach that and he literally said he was
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: trying to like code talk to white dudes so that
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: he can get support. Like they know that in their minds,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: it's not about the truth. It's only about what is
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: the most effective rhetoric. And we don't have anything left.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Then you just fall on incredulity. Well, I'm just the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: babe in the woods. I was born yesterday. I don't
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking. I mean, I don't live in
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: your bubble, dude. Like the implication that you know, Temple
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: having access to the truth is basically, oh, no, you
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: just live in a bubble because your rhetoric is what
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Like they're they're fighting what they think is rhetoric with
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: their rhetoric it and that's what that's my issue with
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: this whole thing from the beginning, which are where people
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: are like, you know, oh I'm I'm like, oh, I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: don't know what where I stand. Like the trigerometry guys
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, I'm politically non binary, and I'm like,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: stop it, dude, just what do you believe? Is it true?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Welcome to this side where I'm at, because that's what
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I care about. Okay, it's just the truth, guys, that's it.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: It's not rhetoric, it's not fucking word games. It's just
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: what is true. Okay, then let's go with that, right.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: And these people don't they think they can make reality
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: with words. They just talk it into existence. That's not
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: how things work, and it doesn't. It's not it doesn't
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: exist to benefit anyone except them. And at the end
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: of the day, the only thing they're really doing is
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: protecting their own ass. Because if Adam Conover agrees with
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Tim Poole, guess what, he gets less work than he
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: was already getting, because his people are gonna be like, oh,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: you're no longer one of us because you're not using
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: our language to control reality. You're not on our side
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: of the conversation anymore. You know, you went down that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: dirty road of the far right, I mean, which is
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: basically what the truth. That's it. That's what it is.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: It's just the truth. And I mean, I understand why
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Tim is frustrated.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, when you were talking about bubbles, he says,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not part of your bubble? What is So you're
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: part of the bubble no doubt in which that was asserted. Like, yeah,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: he's definitely part of the political bubble in which it
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: was asserted. But he's basically saying I'm not part of
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: the bubble in which that was actually debunked, which is
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: the bubble of reality.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, And then he's saying just another bubble, yeah that.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: But the thing is that he's he's putting on on
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: so he's reaffirming this kind of moral dichotomy. Oh, I'm
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: not part of your bubble. So basically, in your bubble,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: to Adam, you get to lie about things without any consequence,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: and you claim that anybody who says, well, wait, that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't resemble the truth is part of another bubble, a
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: part of the alt right bubble. This is something that's
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: sort of been bugging me, like, and it came from uh,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the last video I did was, Uh, I
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: looked at oh, good lord, h Scott Galloway being like
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: the democratic solution to what's going to attract men to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: the right or to the left? Yeah, And I was
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: looking at that, and what occurred to me is they
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: were starting to talk about investigating the right for financial malfeasance.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: And I was listening to this and said, when did
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: this become a bipartisan issue? Like, no, not a bipartisan
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: When did this become a partisan issue. If there are
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: people on the right who are engaging in financial malfeasance,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: yes they should be investigated. If there are people on
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: the left who are engaging in financial malfeasance, yes they
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: should be investigated. And in fact they should probably be
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: investigated by a neutral third party, which there doesn't seem
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: to be anymore in any political landscape. And I was
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: thinking about this, and it's like the entire landscape is
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: losing all of those kind of third party principles and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: everything is becoming tribalists, so that there's no like outside
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: morality that everybody agrees on it. This is something that
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing in why Adam is saying, so he the
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: truth fact checking is outside his bubble, it's outside his
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: reality because it doesn't serve his tribe. Do you get
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? And this is this is actually a
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: bigger deterioration and a bigger problem than than you know politics,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: is the deterioration of these these kind of shared principles
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: like oh that that that was something that was proven
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: that was false and the media, the side that I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: am part of, actually engaged in perpetuating a falsehood. That's bad.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: That's what Adam should say. If there was still this
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: kind of healthy sense that people shared principles. You see
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, It's like it's winner take all and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: this kind of tribalist While my morality is good as
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: long as it benefits my tribe, who cares what happens
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: to the other tribe or the people outside weren't even
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: part of another tribe. They're just you know, that attitude
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: is regressive. First of all, it's regressing morally. So Adam
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: is actually a throwback morally because he's judging morality based
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: on how it benefits his tribe, not based on like
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: an abstract principle of trying to find the truth, trying
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: to seek out the truth. You see what I'm saying,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: And and it's it's it's sort of disturbing to watch
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: because the more you destroy these external moral principles that
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: everybody should share within for example, the Canadian political the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: the American, the British, the European, we should be sharing
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: this desire for truth, desire for freedom of expression. We
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: should be we should be sharing a desire to reduce
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: corruption and find it where it exists and root it out.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: But it's become we've we've stopped sharing this these kind
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: of universal principles, and now everything has become everything for
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: the political tribe and nothing against the political tribe. And
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: it's I think it's extremely destructive to society. And and
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: I think I think Adam is just sort of demonstrating
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: that kind of regressive thinking that principles don't exist outside
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: of tribal affiliation. Okay, Okay, let's let's keep going. I
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: suppose I'll finish that off.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: And there probably five hundred news articles every single day
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: from CNN, the New York Times, MSNBC and all their aggregates.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: And then liberals come on and they believe things that
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: were debunked.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Eight years ago.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I believe that I was just asking what you were
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: talking about. You didn't know this. I don't know everything
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: that you know, but this is what.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: Biden made a public announcement to launch his presidency in
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty off of this lie, and you didn't know
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: that four years, five years later.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You're getting on me about this, but.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: It's I'm not trying to get on largely with with liberals.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, I'm I'm Somebody in the comments said
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: that Timpoole did go back and call him out for
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: this argument by ignorance, like smug ignorance, and uh but
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: even so, like he didn't say, oh, that's actually bad.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that she corrected that. So there's no there's
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: no I think tim Poole probably has some principle around
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: you know, truth and sees it as universal. So in
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: other words, if his political tribe is lying, then he
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: would want them to stop that and he would want
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: to call it out regardless. Right, So it's an overarching principle.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: But like he even Adam isn't like, well, okay, well,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: I guess that was not a good thing to nothing.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: It's just like I'm if my tribe gets called out,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna play dumb. Well, this is such criminal
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: tribal thinking.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: It is, but it is. It's I agree with you,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Timpole's not engaging in that, And a lot of people
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: who they would consider the right are also not engaging
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: in that. It is. It is tribalism. But it's more
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: or less one direction. It's more or less just one
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: direction because they're the people that that they feel like
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: it's okay to twist the truth, distort, lie, project, and
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: double down because the fear of being wrong is so
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: great that they can't help but continue to push and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: push and push, and and Adam has and a lot
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: of people like that, and feminists, et cetera. They have
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: internalized the narratives that they are making there they are
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: selling as their facts, and it is tribal for them
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: because they think it's like they believe that everyone else
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: is being as manipulative and as dishonest and playing the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: same rhetorical games that they are. And sure they may
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: be some, but I think most people who are you know,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: who are really furiously trying to like address things, are
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: trying to do that. They know that they can't do
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: that without the truth. So they're going to stick with
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: it as much as they can and be open to,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: you know, correcting themselves or being corrected or finding new
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: information whatever. And they're just gonna they just say, well,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna follow this wherever it least. I mean,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing for the past ten years.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm not the same guy I was ten years ago,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: probably because I tried to like stay open to the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: possibility that it might be wrong about this or that,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: and and that's it. You just go in with humility
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: and you'll be fine. And there was a guy, you know,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: speaking of gamer Gate. So there was a guy that
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: I had on named Tachyon Blue. He was working on
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: a book about gamer Gate that's kind of like a
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: you know, like a I don't know, like an archive
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: resource for all of the information, and when I had
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: him on my show the first time, he was like
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: he had TDS all the way. He was like, there
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  Speaker 1: was no way that Gamergate has led to the current
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  Speaker 1: political climate, and I was like, no, I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: it was a big part of it. Like it because
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  Speaker 1: it woke up a lot of gamers to something that
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: they otherwise would not have been interested in, which was
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: the political landscape. And at first he thought it fought
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: me tooth and nail on that, like he just you know,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: he tried to passive aggressively insult me, et cetera. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, look, you know, you'll be ready to
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: learn when you're ready if you want to. And sure enough,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: years later, I talked to him not long ago and
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: we had a very good conversation. He didn't necessarily I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: didn't ask him about his views or anything like that,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: but I said, so, I want to ask you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's been like a while, do you feel like you've
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  Speaker 1: changed in any way? And I asked this of everybody,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: if you feel like you've changed in the last so
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: many years. I think I asked Jonathan Taylor that when
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I had him on to talk about his new YouTube
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  Speaker 1: channel who used to do the justice for boys in education,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: and and he said, yeah, you know, I I try
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  Speaker 1: not to lie anymore, and I just want to like
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I you know, basically he humbled himself and was like,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know, you know, where the truth
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  Speaker 1: is at, because I can't live my life on a
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  Speaker 1: lie because it won't you won't be able to sustain it.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that there are I think that if
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  Speaker 1: there are sides to it, it's those it's basically people
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  Speaker 1: who want to just like operate in the realm of
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  Speaker 1: the truth and what makes sense and what is with
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  Speaker 1: the path of wisdom, you know, whatever it is from
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  Speaker 1: somebody else whatever, with humility, and the people who think
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  Speaker 1: that they can just like articulate things into into reality
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: and that if they have enough people doing it with them,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: that they make it real like Warhammer forty thousand orcs
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  Speaker 1: and I, you know, you could.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like to use this rhetoric, but there are
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: people who probably agree with Adam that would do that,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: and there are people who likely disagree with him that
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: would do that. But I think ultimately that's how the
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: divide is at. But I don't think it's when I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: hear the word tribal, it sounds like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: have these people over here, and then you have these
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: people over here and they and neither of them are
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: like interesting the truth. I don't think that's what it is.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I think there's people who care about the truth, and
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: then the people who who don't. They just want to
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  Speaker 1: live in the land of rhetoric. That that was a
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: rose wrist. You know, he he wanted to debate, and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: he could win a million debates and it wouldn't change reality.
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  Speaker 1: It would just make him feel like he's smarter than
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: everybody else, which is where that smuckness comes from. You're
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm the smartest par in the room.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there is a think there's something to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: be said that there is this kind of my tribe
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  Speaker 2: no matter what, and that attitude coming out. I'm not
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: saying it's everywhere, because the funny thing is that when
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  Speaker 2: you have one tribe saying my tribe no matter what,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: then anybody who says, wait, wait, wait, wait, but what
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  Speaker 2: about the principles of truth and free speech and uh
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: and avoid and avoiding corruption? And somebody in that tribalist
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: mentality will regard someone who's simply upholding neutral principles that
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: are essential for an advanced democracy to function as being
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: their enemy. I think that's where it's getting where we're
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: getting at and like that. And the other thing is
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: that once you get that kind of an ingrained tribal
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: belief system around a threat narrative regarding the other alleged tribe,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: it's very difficult not for the other alleged tribe to
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: start investing in the same narrative and start start behaving
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: in the same way. And I don't know if we're
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: there yet, but it is. It is a possibility. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's something that could happen. I have something else here
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  Speaker 2: that we could look at. Uh, it is called I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if this is recent though. If it's not recent,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: we don't have to look at it. Okay, So I
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: don't I feel Yeah, it's because my internet is really slow.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: It's probably because like the internet. What the hell? No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want discord discord open just a second, let
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  Speaker 2: me because it probably didn't copy the actual link. It
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: copied the.
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  Speaker 1: Link to the Discord post.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, link to the Discord post. Let me just fix that,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: all right. Why are Americans so obsessed with protein, Oh no,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: this is recent May one, twenty twenty five, and this
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: is really speaks to our but yeah, yeah, this really
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: speaks to our conversation about how the left is now
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: regarding being a man and liking masculine things to be
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: a political position, which is something that Brian mentioned. And
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: I was also going to say, they think that Joe
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Rogan is on the right, like they say, oh, where's
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: our left Joe Rogan? And then she said, well, Joe
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Rogan was the left Joe Rogan, and you were saying, well, no,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: he was just a guy. But the reason why he
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: became on the right is because he's just a guy,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: Like having these masculine interests became being on the right,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: or became being a Nazi. You see what I'm saying, Like,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: it's because masculinity is now being a man is now
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: a political position, and we all know that what ever
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: the left is, it's not being a man right. They've
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  Speaker 2: made that very clear that they they want to advance
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  Speaker 2: the principles which they specifically say are feminine. They want
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  Speaker 2: the future to be feminine. They believe that men left
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  Speaker 2: to their own devices do horrible, horrific things, so they
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: need to be constantly under the control of I guess
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: left talking points or something, but they they So the
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  Speaker 2: left is not the political position of being a man,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: So that leaves everything that's not the left. And since
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: the left is regressing in its tribal thinking, that means
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: everything belief in free speech, belief in ethical governance, you know,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: belief in what the heck is? Why why are you
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: put creating so much background noise?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Does that me or you do you hear something?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: I do, but it might be air conditioner, hold on.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: And it might also just be because I got headphones on.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: So it's like a little bit distracting. But yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: belief in all of the neutral principles that are necessary
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: for an advanced democracy is while it can be used
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: against the left, so it can't be the left. It
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: has to be the enemy of the left, which means
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: that it's the right. And since men are not the left,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: then men have to be the right. And it's like this,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: this like diifurcation, bifurcation of politics into the left being feminine,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: the right being masculine, or the very least the left
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: being the condemnation of the masculine, and the belief that
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: it needs to be controlled, right and anyway. So that's
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: that's what I think that this whole narrative around Joe
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Rogan being not on the left really comes from. It's
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  Speaker 2: not because he has steadied a political position. It's because
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: he has he's a man. He doesn't seem to be
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: disavowing his manhood, and he also pursues in things that
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: are interesting to men.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, that's basically it. I mean, like it,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: they are anything that anyone that they regard as an enemy,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: anything that they like that must also be far right.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: It's it's really simple, like, oh, Joe Rogan likes this thing,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: he's our enemy. And Joe Rogan, you know again, like
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: that he's in the tribe because they're the ones drawing
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: the line nobody else. They're the ones nobody.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: Else, and then they get one. They get confused when
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: people who are part of the tribe that's not them
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: don't actually agree with each other. All right, So why
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: are so many Americans obsessed with protein? Very blame mega.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: From the liver King to the Poscast Bros.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: To R. FK.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Junior's MHA constituents, America's infactuation with protein has reached a
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: fever pitch and it's undemiably gendered. So this goes from
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: the headline, which is political, to the last word, which
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: is basically it's men. Right, This man is a political position.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Wanting protein is a political position. So this is eight minutes.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if we can go through it.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: No, no, I mean it's unsurprising, of course, but yeah, okay,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: essentially yeah, like, well think about it like that, the
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: feminist left has adopted several different pet ideologies, and anyone
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: who doesn't like align with those likely opposes it or
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: is the opposite of it. Doesn't necessarily like oppose it,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: but by existing is an opposite alternative to said positions.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: So like, what is the feminist left with regards to health, well,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: healthy at any size? They're the body positive movement is
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: an offshoot of the feminist movement. So and by the way,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: the body positive movement only applies to women, not fat
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: men are just fat men. Fat women are women that
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: should be protected lizo, et cetera. Like we have to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: like say, oh, no, healthy at any size, baby, eat
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: whatever you want. Men are not allowed to judge you.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Nobody's allowed to judge you. Right, you're beautiful, everybody's a ten,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: but not the men. Just the women. Okay, the body
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: positivity movement only for women, not for men. So when
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: men say, well, you know, like, I'm gonna what is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: what's the truth. Well, the truth is is that if
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: i'm if I'm healthy, I will live well and I
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: could live like a long time, which is good for
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: my health and those around me. And I think I'm
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: gonna take care of myself. I'm gonna look into some
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: options for that. And they go watch Nick free tasks,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: like who's one of the guys on there, or all
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: these other guys that are promote keto or they're promoting like,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: you know, healthy ways to like lift or whatever. And
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: so guys get into lifting, they get into mma, they
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: get into all of these health oriented things that a
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: lot of men like and are interested in. Hell, some
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: of them just watch an anime and they're like, I
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: want to be ripped like that guy. And so they
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: go to the gym and these women say, oh, you're
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: doing that, Well, that's the opposite of what we believe.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: So that is right way, you're the enemy and that's
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: the only that's the only criteria. Oh, you care about
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: your health, although you know the fact that RFK Junior,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: you know, is basically like trying to change like the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: state of our food and he and he's not talking
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: anything about the patriarchy or men dominating women or anything
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: like that. He's literally specifically focused on the health of
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: children as like his primary launch point. But he talks
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: about this a lot. But the problem is, the problem
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: is not what he's promoting. The problem is is that
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: he's in the wrong camp, and so they have to
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: take the opposite, opposite position automatically. Oh, RFK is in
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: the Trump camp, so we got to be against everything
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: he's for. That's how they define themselves. They define themselves
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: by being the opposite of whatever their enemy is for.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Even if that is common sense. If if Trump started
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: drinking water like every day, they would stop drinking water
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: because they want to oppose him. If RFK said, you know,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: and he has, he's like, we got to take the
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: food coloring. These dyes. They're not healthy, They're banned in
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: all these other countries. Why do we use them? Why
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: are we cooking with these seed oils. We got to
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: get rid of the seed oils. You know, we used
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: to cook in tallow blah blah, blah, and he's like,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: and he's what he's saying is true, and there's lots
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: of science on it and studies and there's a lot
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: of people who live by it, and I know it's true,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter because these people they just oh,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: he said that, I'm against that. That's it, Like, there's
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: no there's nothing else to it. It's really simple. The
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: person I don't like is for this. I'm against it.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do the alcohol and I'm gonna code
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: it masculine because for some reason, that makes it more effective.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: When you say, oh, this thing is bad because men
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: like it, it actually works like there are women who
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: are like because the thing.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: I think it actually honestly is it's an effect of
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: the fact that men will police each other based on
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: women's opinions. And I mean this. I guess this sort
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: of makes sense in the context of the evolution of
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: the human race. If you don't in some way make
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: the social environment amenable to women, you sort of die
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: out to a degree. So that sort of spawns a
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: sort of gynocentrism. And also women are the ones who
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: inculcate the next generation with I don't know if I
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: said that were right, but whatever next generation with the
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: emotional habits that allow them to work together, to have
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: a sense of belonging with their tribe, to cultivate the
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: resources in the area. So women are laying that basis.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of giving women the right to
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: determine whether or not men's actions are correct. And you
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: see this with the continuity and terrorist groups. The women
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: form the core because they're the ones who are most
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: central to the continuance of the group. And this is
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: this is throughout all of human societies. It's something that
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: feminists refuse to address as a power that women are
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: telling their children the social codes of the groups that
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: they belong to, who they belong with, when and where
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: they're deserving of resources, what resources they're deserving of, how
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: they develop those resources they're doing. They're inculcating all of
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: these emotional and cultural habits. It's a huge part of
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: where culture comes from, and in fact, law and policy
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: is downstream of that, and nobody wants to address that.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: But the ultimate point of bringing that up is that
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: women control emotionally our understanding of the worth and the
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: benefit of men's actions. And that's what feminists are appealing
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: to when they when they say, well, this is a
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: man's behavior, even if it's something neutral like free speech
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: that should be fairly neutral. Well, that's a man behavior.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Remember all the freeze speach crap. That's a that's male behavior, right,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: Because when they cast it as male behavior, it becomes judgeable.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Because something that is separate from
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: the center of society, the emotional habits of society, and
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: we can then look at it as something that can
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: be cast aside as unwanted. So if free speech doesn't
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: advance the interests of the progressive, the corpo slop tribe,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: then we are going to cast free speech as a
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: masculine thing, which will bring it into the place where
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: we then judge it as whether it's like that feminine oversight,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: whether not this masculine behavior is of benefit to the
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: social group. And we even see this in our closest relatives.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: You know, a male chimp has to cultivate relationships with
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: other chimps, other male chimps, in order to have power.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: But if the female chimps decide they don't like him,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. He's on the out, so they feel
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: like he's not beneficial to the group, he's on the out.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: So same difference. If we cast a behavior as male,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: it becomes judgeable, right. If we cast a behavior as female,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: it's it's like nobody is like, oh no, that has
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: to be acceptable. In fact, men seem to go out
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: of their way to regard the most ridiculous and disturbed
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: and unacceptable female behavior is just the cost of doing
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: business rather than something they need to judge harshly. And
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: and I could get into that. I think zoomers are
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: actually getting away from that quite a bit. But regardless,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: so when we say something as male behavior, then it
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: gets put in the category of we can decide whether
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: or not this behavior is acceptable to the group. Does
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: that make sense? Okay, so I don't have to clarify anything.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: I'll look at the the chat if they if they
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: think that I've said a whole bunch of stuff that
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any goddamn sense. Uh, Alison, exactly what the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: fuck the activists think they're appealing to when they demand
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: the hopelessly wrong to do better? Yeah, that's what they're
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: appealing to. They're appealing to women's control over social the
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: social acceptability of actions and principles and other stuff like
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: that and people and they don't want to they don't
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: want to admit to it. And it's it's what it's
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: the dance I always have with feminists because I say, well,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? Like you're you're basically saying
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: men control everything? Who are you appealing to then? And
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: they can't say men? So they just they go around
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: and around in circles and we do a little waltz
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: for like three days on Twitter, and they just they
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: can't admit it. They can't admit to this power that
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: women have to judge men. Okay, So I just wanted
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: to bring up one thing from this article and then
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: we'll just call it a day. Okay, let me make
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: sure I've got the right place, because this it's all
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: cut up with the Remicicommended Dietary Allowance RDA. Oh no, wait,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: Cohen points me to the work of the Harvard colleague S.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Brian Austen in the Social and Behavioral Sciences Department the
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: School of Public Health. Everybody should feel a frision of
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: fear at that credential, who is the founding director of
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: research and training program dedicated eating disorder prevention In twenty
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: twenty two, she co authored a paper examining young men's
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: use of protein supplements. In its finding warm clinicians to
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: be aware of their male patient's use of protein powders
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: and mail and muscle building supplements, which poss acute and
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: long term physical and physiological consequences. Year one of the
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: co authored studies found that muscle building supplements formed a
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: pipeline to anabolic steroids and young they really they need
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: to take the word pipeline from these people's vocabulary. They
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: under lock and key and say you only get this
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: when it really is true.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Of course they're writing an article that you know, the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: the pipeline pipeline, the point pipeline to pipeline pipeline.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because muscle building supplements to anabolic steroids, there's probably
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: no pipeline. It's just an e ven diagram in which
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: people who use anabolic steroids also likely use muscle building supplements.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: And I don't think like, okay, somebody who's interested in
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: their physical appearance and their athletic prowess is probably going
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: to use muscle building supplements. Right, So you've got a
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: pool of people who are using these muscle building supplements
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: and and that pool. Of that pool, some of them
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: are going to use anabolic steroids because there's an overlap there, right.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think that anybody is going to just start
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: using anabolic steroids out of nowhere. They're going to be
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: part of a culture of this, But that doesn't mean
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: there's a pipeline. How many people who actually use protein powders,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: like I may have used some in the past, end
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: up using steroids like this is just a standard health supplement.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Good lord, I think I've eaten like oh, I have
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: a cereal that's like low keto and it's made out
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: of way, and a lot of protein supplements are made
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: out of way. Guys, I'm on the protein supplement the
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: anabolic steroid pipeline. You might as well say that people
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: who who drink the recommended eight glasses of water are
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: on the are on the anabolic steroid pipeline. The recommended
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: dietary allowance let me protein is point three grams per
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: pound of body weight, but some popular online health experts
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: like Attia, who advises David Protein and is invested in
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: the protein favorite blah blah blah as as a recommending
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: far greater levels basically big protein. Now it's big protein.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: We got a pipeline, friends, and we're also dealing with
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: big protein, big creatine, big creatine, the big gired.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: They don't want people taking care of themselves. They want
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: people to be taken care of. Like about the.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Ad to pharmaceutical pipeline that that's real, okay, so yeah,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: exactly the bill the bodybuilding craze of the nineteen seventies
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: birth from Oh in the previous paragraph they described all
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: the female influencers that also have this, you know, like
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: building your body thing. But we're not.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: We're not.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: Burst from the founding of Venetz's gold Gym, fueled by
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: now protein supplements and steroids and popularized by Arnold Swarzenegger's
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: Oiled Muscles in nineteen seventy seven, pumping iron concided coincided
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: the era of economic flux widening. Why we are now
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: on the protein shake to Nazi pipeline?
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, to Schwarzenegger. Yeah, the fucking seventies
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger pipeline. Yeah, but no one.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: Where we're now landing on Nazis Widening political polarization and
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: rising momentum around women's rights and gay rights. I wonder
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: how much of the overlap between like the muscle culture
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: and the gay culture is the latter of which sparked
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: to backlash men's rights. Oh oh, we got to mention
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Brian or men's liberation movement. We were a backlash to.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: Uh really, yeah, we're backlash to women's right. Damn straight,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: I'm a backlash to women's rights. Uh. Some forty years later,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, Food Business Nudes called protein the year's
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: leading food industry buzzword. Then the report from NPD group
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: not only found widespread enthusiasm for the macronutrient. Guys, guys,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: they are demonizing protein. Don't let them do that, because
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: protein is really essential. Many are willing to pay or
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: I have already paid a premium for these products. And
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: by twenty fifteen, psychologists were finding that the over consumption
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: of protein among men will constitute an eating disorder. Was
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: it correlation, coincidence or some lean meat canarian the proverbal
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: cold mine that was into this protinus landscape that Donald Trump,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: burger loving locker room talking and all announced his bid
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: for prick.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: Is this an onion article? No, it's vanity fair? Which
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: is I mean, it's in the name.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: Hey guys, guys, we're all on the way to Donald
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: Trump pipeline and we're going through Nazi town too.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Donald more like Donald Pump. Yeah, so.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: We start with we're starting with way protein and we're
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: taking a trip into the oil muscles of totally straight
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: seventies gym culture. And then we're we're we're stopping a
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: bit with like political polarization and economic insecurity and you know,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: maybe we're wine marked Germany about to be like the Nazi,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing, having a little touch
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: on that, and now we're Donald Trump. And also I.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: Might add, well, I mean, boss uniforms are very slimming,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: but it helps if you are, like, you have a
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: nice you know, like Troy.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: Art for Ze says, she literally say tod the m
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: r M is in Bashla. Yeah, she backlashed at gay rights. Yes,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: completely irrelevant actually because game are still men. But yes,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: we are apparently a backlash to gay rights anyway. So there.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: But what I wanted to point out in that is,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: did you see how they are turning dietary choices which
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: they term masculine to be a mental health issue. There
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: are actually they are turning masculine dietary choices into a
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: mental illness. Yeah, like, and they do that with everything
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: that's masculine, like liking explosions mental illness. I guess liking
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: explosions might be a mental illness. Liking fast cars, you know.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: Toxic masculinity and toxic masculinity is itself considered to be
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: a form of mental illness. It seems in the favorable
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's like it might be something inflicted on men,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: but often it's just assumed to be something chosen by
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: men because they just hate everything and everybody. But the
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: reason why I say that it's for aiming masculinity is
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: a mental illness is because all of the elements of
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: toxic masculinity are related to dysfunctional and disregulatory, disregulated behaviors.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: So and again, the people who use that term can't
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: identify anything positive that they associate with masculinity like they
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: associate toxic traits. Anyway, I thought that was fun, and
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: we could. I gotta sit up. I'm like slouching further
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: and further back, but yeah, we could, we could, we could.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: I thought this was really cool. I'm gonna show it
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: to you guys. Yeah, just to end on something cool
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: because now we know we can't eat meat, and also
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: things like honesty and integrity, they're masculine and they can
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: be used against the liberal tribes. So yeah, so we
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: can't do that. That that that we now we have
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: to judge that and remove that from society. Okay, here
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: we go, okay sharing.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see it. Did you do it in theater
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: mode so that we can like.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: Enjoy?
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: No?
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 6: Not, well you can do full screen either way.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, I like the generic Space future clothing.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like where like what do they What I mean,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: like what it needs is like, you know, something to
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: make it look like it's like a lion made out
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: of steel. That'd be some cool eighty ship right there, Yeah,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: iron head or like a griffin, you know, like on
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: your way, but it could be way cool and me
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: and my mini Zord.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: Don't you think like it breathed fire and had like
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: laser options.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing at a time before we give it
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: to the Navy seals. But but yeah, I mean, like
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: is this good news? This is terrifying. Didn't you see
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: the episode of Black Mirror with the Dog? No, I
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: don't watch that show, but I mean this is this
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: is Japan.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Right, like Kawasaki.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Kawasaki. So you know when the when skyn
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: It wakes up, it'll be in China or Japan first probably,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: that's my Yeah.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: Although I was I was hearing like the buzz around it,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: and they were like, it's going to be so it's
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: gonna make things accessible to children and the elder. Really,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not like, No, that thing is gonna be so
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: difficult to ride. You're gonna need to be an athlete
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: to ride it and to have like balls of steel
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: going that fast, like when you ride a horse. It
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: is it is a workout, and that is gonna be
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: a horse that's going very fast over rough terrain, like
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: terrain even a horse can't handle. So yeah, that's gonna
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: that's gonna that. That is gonna be Olympic level athlete strength, dexterity,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: and endurance to ride that thing. So I'm sure it's
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: gonna be mostly just like like I don't know, Navy seals. Yeah,
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: it's it's the new death machine, guys, isn't it cool? Grown?
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: Oh all right, So that's that's all I have in
• 2:04:53
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• 2:04:59
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