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FBI joins probe of mom, young daughters, shot to death inside lavish mansion · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: all taped off. A grizzly discovery upending the Innaqua Springs
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Speaker 1: Ranch neighborhood today. After spending the night somewhere else, A
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Speaker 1: man came home this morning to find a woman whom
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Speaker 1: he was dating and two people believed to be her
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Speaker 1: younger relatives dead. It appears that they're all three year
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Speaker 1: deceased due to gunshot wounds to the upper parts of
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Speaker 1: their body. Sheriff Javier Salazar said the younger too, at
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Speaker 1: least appeared to have been murdered. It's just too early
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Speaker 1: to tell on the third person. If that is a
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Speaker 1: murder or a suicide, we'll let We'll let the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner take a look at it. Media was not allowed
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Speaker 1: past the gates, but we saw several visibly emotional people
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Speaker 1: making their way in on foot please callow and from
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Speaker 1: the air. Numerous Sheriff's office vehicles could be seen parked
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Speaker 1: by the four and a half thousand square foot home,
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Speaker 1: and naturally, this is not a common area for us
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Speaker 1: to see this sort of activity, but it just goes
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Speaker 1: to show that crime really knows no boundaries. So the
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Speaker 1: deaths still took neighbors by surprise. Yes, shocking. This is
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Speaker 1: a very peaceful, quiet neighborhood and nothing like this has
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Speaker 1: ever happened before. The Sheriff's hoping neighbors may have heard
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Speaker 1: or seen something that could be useful, or perhaps picked
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Speaker 1: it up on a surveillance or doorbell camera. Check that
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Speaker 1: footage and share it with us if they seem like
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Speaker 1: if it seems like it's something out of the ordinary,
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Speaker 1: we'd like to know about it. We have not yet
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Speaker 1: received official confirmation on the identities of the three deceased. However,
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Speaker 1: a man identifying himself as an uncle coming into the
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Speaker 1: facility told us that one of the three was named
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Speaker 1: Nicole Olson. That was also a name we found on
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Speaker 1: online records as a resident of that house. Texas police
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Speaker 1: unconvinced a thirty seven year old mother found dead with
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Speaker 1: her two little girls killed herself. They state they fear
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Speaker 1: a murderer. Quote on no one's radar is on the loose.
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Speaker 1: I mean to see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I don't understand it either.
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Speaker 1: Nicole Olson and her two little girls found dead in
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Speaker 1: a San Antonio upscale neighborhood. The Meme Medical Examiner has
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Speaker 1: ruled the death initially as a suicide and the girls
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Speaker 1: as a murder victims. But I don't believe that. And
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Speaker 1: you know guess who agrees with me, Sheriff Jerry Salazar.
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Speaker 1: The sheriff is very, very unsatisfied with the theory that
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Speaker 1: this young, beautiful mom, just thirty seven years old, with
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Speaker 1: everything before her, no hint of depression, killed herself and
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Speaker 1: her two little girls in a mansion. Joining me right now, JT. Tipton,
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Speaker 1: private investigator and founder of Sinco Paco Security in investigations
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Speaker 1: right there in the area, Doctor William July, psychologist at
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Speaker 1: doctor William July dot com. Veteran felony prosecutor, Kenya Johnson
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Speaker 1: and joining me right now, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: author of A Beautiful Life, The CSI behind the Casey
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Speaker 1: Anthony trial on Amazon, Robin will Lensky. Robin, I'm not
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Speaker 1: buying it either. Let's start at the beginning. What happened
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Speaker 1: with Nicole Olsen. Well, she's living in this very beautiful
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Speaker 1: million dollar home that belongs to her boyfriend. They've been
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Speaker 1: for about eighteen months, and she lived in this house,
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Speaker 1: gorgeous house that has a pool, it's brick, it has
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Speaker 1: a cabata so you could go outside. It's in a
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Speaker 1: beautiful gated community where the homes start at a million
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Speaker 1: dollars and go up. And she is there for the
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Speaker 1: spending the night with her two girls, ages sixteen and ten.
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Speaker 1: And the boyfriend he's not there. He's apparently staying at
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Speaker 1: a relative house for whatever reason. And the timeline is
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Speaker 1: that they go to bed and the next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the morning, there's a nine one one
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Speaker 1: call to the police that these three women have been
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Speaker 1: shot to death and that they're dead. And that is
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Speaker 1: all we know to this point. A ten year old
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Speaker 1: little girl, her big six turn just sixteen. I'm taking
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Speaker 1: a look right now at Nicole Olson. Police do not
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Speaker 1: believe she killed herself. And that's a big problem. When
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Speaker 1: your medical examiner jumps up with a theory like that,
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Speaker 1: I think there's a problem, and I'll tell you what
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Speaker 1: the problem is. The problem is going to be the
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Speaker 1: trajectory paths of those bullets. That is the answer. Did JT.
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Speaker 1: Tipton Private investigator, founder of Synco Pacer Security and Investigations,
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Speaker 1: right there in Texas. You know, I'm not buying it. JT. Tipton.
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Speaker 1: Sum's not right here. But what do you know? You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you from when I first found out
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Speaker 1: about the case, the incident. I was actually in North
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Speaker 1: Carolina Worth working with doctor Warr Petler on another case.
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Speaker 1: I got home and I had several voicemails on my phone,
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Speaker 1: and at that point in time, nobody knew what was
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Speaker 1: going on. I actually was able to listen to Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Salazar several times given some information out publicly, which you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe he should have done, maybe he shouldn't have done.
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Speaker 1: I tend to agree that he probably shouldn't have released
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Speaker 1: any of that information because, as you know, the most
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Speaker 1: important time frame in a case like what what's specific
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Speaker 1: information is it that you believe JT. Tiptons should not
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Speaker 1: have been released. He should not have said anything about,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, about any of the subspectology, which as
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Speaker 1: you know, is probably not the correct way to pursue
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Speaker 1: this type of the case. I believe maybe they should
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Speaker 1: have aired on the side of caution and performed some
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Speaker 1: victimology especially within the first forty eight hours. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know what, You're right about the victimology aspect of this, guys.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know right now. The shocking deaths
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Speaker 1: of a young mom with a beautiful smile and her
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Speaker 1: two little girls sixteen and ten, have been found dead
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Speaker 1: in a Texas mansion. It has shot the community where
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Speaker 1: they live and apparently stupefy local police who say they're
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Speaker 1: not satisfied with the theory that these three died by
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Speaker 1: suicide murder. Robin Willinsky with me Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Robin, why do the cops? Why are they
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Speaker 1: rejecting the medical examiner's theory, which is very rare for
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Speaker 1: the cops to go up against what the emmy says.
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Speaker 1: It is extremely rare. And here's why. She had her
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Speaker 1: own business. She was a hairdresser. She was working, She
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Speaker 1: was upbeat. She always has a smile on her face.
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Speaker 1: She was engaged in her children's lives. The older girl
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Speaker 1: was in cheerleading, the younger girl was involved in all
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Speaker 1: sorts of activities at her school. There's no suicide note,
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Speaker 1: there's no why upsetting crying phone call, there's no threats
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Speaker 1: of suicide by all means she was a happy, go
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Speaker 1: lucky woman enjoying the live or two daughters. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, she also has a son who's in his
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Speaker 1: early twenties, and no one knew she was depressed. So
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Speaker 1: it's very at a step that this woman would commit suicide. Man,
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Speaker 1: this lady does not look like she has a twenty
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Speaker 1: something year old son. She looks like she's twenty herself.
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Speaker 1: You know, something's not right to Kenya Johnson, felony prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: When I was talking about the trajectory paths of the bullets,
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Speaker 1: I think that's very significant in this case, and I'd
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Speaker 1: like to find out what the emmy has to say
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Speaker 1: about that, because I believe someone shot all three of them,
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Speaker 1: that the target was the mother, and then the other
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Speaker 1: two the sixteen and ten year old, were killed because
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Speaker 1: they were witnesses. I want to find out where they
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Speaker 1: were lying. Were they all together? You know sometimes when
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Speaker 1: parents kill their children they all then like tuck them
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Speaker 1: into bed or some weird thing like that. I want
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Speaker 1: to find out where they in the midst of a struggle.
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Speaker 1: But that trajectory path on the mom, because of her wound,
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Speaker 1: is at an angle that shows me she could not
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Speaker 1: have done it herself, then the emmy is all wrong.
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Speaker 1: Kenyan Johnson, That's why that's so critical. I agree, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I commended the authorities for going beyond or what the
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Speaker 1: medical examiners say, as it's easy to close on a
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Speaker 1: case and just say suicide, but there's so much more
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Speaker 1: information that needs to be gathered. The medical examiner has
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Speaker 1: the limited information in front of him, what's on the
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Speaker 1: autopsy table, whereas the sheriffs, you know, all of the
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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence around it, or at least they're trying to
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Speaker 1: put that together. They have much more information. So for
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner or for the information about suicide be
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Speaker 1: released so prematurely, it really needs to come with an explanation.
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Speaker 1: How is the medical examiner saying this is suicide? What
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Speaker 1: makes something fat? And that is going to be challenged
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Speaker 1: in this investigation going forward. Listen, I want them to cry,
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Speaker 1: I want them to vent, I want them to hug.
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Speaker 1: I want everyone to love each other and just be
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Speaker 1: together in this time. It makes me happy to know
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Speaker 1: that they were so loved and that they're going to
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Speaker 1: be missed. She was obsessed with tacos. That girl could
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Speaker 1: put them down. I don't know where they went, but
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Speaker 1: she could put them down, and she spread so much
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Speaker 1: stoy and loft everywhere, and everybody wants to support Nicole
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Speaker 1: and step forward to defend her honor. All firmly believe
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Speaker 1: together as three families, that Nicole's a victim in this
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Speaker 1: I think the family and her friends are going to
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Speaker 1: do everything we can to make sure that the truth
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Speaker 1: comes to light. What may sound like an open and
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Speaker 1: shut case is far from over, according to Sheriff Javier Sala.
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Speaker 1: He says, given the public response, especially over social media,
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Speaker 1: he's hoping that people will share information with the Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: office that could be helpful. They may have a screenshot
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Speaker 1: in their possession of some of the social media use
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Speaker 1: by at least one of the decedents in this case.
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Speaker 1: We'd like to see that. Even if you feel like
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Speaker 1: it may or may not be something that we should
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Speaker 1: be interested in, Please please share that with us now,
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Speaker 1: the sheriff says. Even though the death's last Thursday of
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old Alexemonthis and a ten year old girl
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Speaker 1: believed to be her sister or ruled homicides, and Montis's
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Speaker 1: mother was ruled as a suicide, The sheriff says that
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Speaker 1: they are still actively investigating various aspects of the case,
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Speaker 1: in talking to everyone that who would possibly have any
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Speaker 1: knowledge about what may have led up to this day
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Speaker 1: tragic day last Thursday at the Annaqua Springs Ranch home
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Speaker 1: where they lived, and also certainly what may have occurred
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Speaker 1: inside that house. And so again they're trying to make
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Speaker 1: sure that what every information is revealed in their investigation
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Speaker 1: coincidence with what the medical examiner has already ruled. They
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Speaker 1: are asking the Sheriff's office is asking anyone with information
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Speaker 1: to call their homicide unit at two ten three three
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Speaker 1: five six Z seven zero, or certainly to email any
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Speaker 1: information to BCSO tips at their dot org. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends at KSATABC thirteen. That was Jesse da
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Speaker 1: Gilotto with an update. I'm not buying it either, and
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Speaker 1: when you have the share of going up against a
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Speaker 1: medical examiner, that is very very unusual. We were also
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Speaker 1: learning that the boyfriend wheel Are boyfriend of one year,
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Speaker 1: told Blasi Stade that not at a his home out
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Speaker 1: of town the night before the bodies were found. Says
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Speaker 1: he came home at nine a m. To find the
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Speaker 1: grizzly scene huh, why do we know Robert Lenitsky was
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Speaker 1: he that night of all nights, staying with a relative
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Speaker 1: out of town? And what time do they place the murders?
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Speaker 1: No idea, and no idea call it saying what time
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Speaker 1: they believe that the three died. And also we have
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Speaker 1: no idea why he is suddenly somewhere else. And here's
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Speaker 1: here's a huge nugget. The sheriff is waiting for the
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Speaker 1: cell phone records. You could say, he could say he
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Speaker 1: was in New York City or in Timbuktu or wherever
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Speaker 1: he was. But his phone is being checked and so
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Speaker 1: they are waiting. It's a very laborious process, but they
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Speaker 1: are waiting to see was he really, you know, with
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Speaker 1: his aunt Mary or whatever he claims where he was.
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Speaker 1: Nancy straight out to Dr William July, psychologist. You can
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Speaker 1: find a doctor William July dot com if you have
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Speaker 1: information two one zero, three, three, five six oh seven, oh,
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Speaker 1: doctors July. She's right about the cell phone records. The
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Speaker 1: sheriff is waiting right now for that. What do they
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Speaker 1: believe it will reveal? Doctor July. Well, you know, there's
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Speaker 1: all there's always a trail of behavior to a trail
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Speaker 1: of of I'm not a lawyer, but evidence to human behavior.
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Speaker 1: I'm speaking as a psychologist because I look at evidence
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Speaker 1: as well. Whenever there's behavior, I call it behavior of interest.
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Speaker 1: There's always something that's going to signal and flag you
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Speaker 1: to what a person is doing. And sometimes it's not obvious.
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Speaker 1: And that's where a psychologist comes in. Cell Phone records
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Speaker 1: can reveal patterns, they can reveal sometimes one little nugget
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Speaker 1: of information which points into a different direction. So even
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Speaker 1: to me as a psychologist, though I'm not doing a
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Speaker 1: criminal investigation, things like that, I look at all those
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Speaker 1: things to take those into account because I'm looking for
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Speaker 1: what I call a pattern of behavior of venturest This
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Speaker 1: mom living in her boyfriend's mansion at that Anaqua Springs
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Speaker 1: ranch home, now dead. And this is what Sheriff Salazar says.
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Speaker 1: He has not seen any documents yet stating any more
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Speaker 1: than a cause manner and causing manner of death. And
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Speaker 1: he says, quote the medical examiner says it's a suicide
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Speaker 1: based on what they saw. They have a more limited
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Speaker 1: evidence bank to pick from. I have forensics and the
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Speaker 1: crime scene and witness interviews and phone records and everything
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Speaker 1: in some cases when the Emmy rules suicide, there are
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Speaker 1: corroborating things I don't have that I don't have. A
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Speaker 1: suicide note, a depressed phone call, a witness. I don't
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Speaker 1: have any of those things. Most cases are so much
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Speaker 1: more clear cut than this one. He adds that while
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Speaker 1: he has no evidence to refute the suicide finding, the
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Speaker 1: case will not be closed until he's satisfied that this
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Speaker 1: was a suicide. Um. He goes on to say, if
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Speaker 1: I didn't think there was even a slight chance they
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Speaker 1: were murdered, we would have written this off a long
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Speaker 1: time ago. And I agree with him. Everyone that knows
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Speaker 1: her and her former husband has angrily dismissed the idea
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Speaker 1: she would ever have heard her own children. Also, the
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Speaker 1: daughter London was set to try out for America's Got
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Speaker 1: Talent the day after she died. I mean to me
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Speaker 1: out to private investigator and found her sencopec So Security
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Speaker 1: and Investigations right there near this home. JT. Tipton is
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Speaker 1: with us. JT. Why is the sheriff so concerned? This
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Speaker 1: is a homicide, a triple homicide? What about it? You
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Speaker 1: want to answer? That's a good question. There are so
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Speaker 1: many factors, so many unknowns to believe that there's some
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Speaker 1: political pressure. If you look at the demographics of this
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Speaker 1: family and of the victims, they're wealthy, they're very attractive,
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Speaker 1: they're living in a very nice home and one of
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Speaker 1: the most affluent neighborhoods in the Burning area. And I
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Speaker 1: just seem to think that there could be some political
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Speaker 1: pressure to make it look like they're trying to solve
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Speaker 1: this case when in reality, I don't have the resources
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Speaker 1: to do it. I've got a question now, Wheeler. The
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Speaker 1: boyfriend has not spoken out, says Nicole and the little
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Speaker 1: girls were found dead. To doctor Williams July psychologist, that's
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Speaker 1: very odd or is it the natural? You know, the
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Speaker 1: natural impulse for someone is to want to speak out
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Speaker 1: into you know. Again, the lawyers could address apart about
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Speaker 1: whether or not he can or should and what that
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Speaker 1: might mean. But if you haven't done this, the natural
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Speaker 1: thing for a person and want to do is you
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Speaker 1: want to get out. You want to tell everyone, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I didn't do this, what happened? Will you help me? Please?
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Speaker 1: There's all you know, a person's going to come out
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Speaker 1: almost desperate to fine information and help. But of course,
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Speaker 1: you know he may be restrained by legal counsel in
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Speaker 1: doing that in a situation like this, But certainly your
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Speaker 1: natural impulse is going to be to get out and
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Speaker 1: do anything and everything you can, and that's often what
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Speaker 1: the public is, the jury of your peers in the
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Speaker 1: public is often doing, is looking for a person to
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Speaker 1: show that kind of concern. Tell me about the area.
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Speaker 1: What do you think? JT. Tipton, you're there on the samee.
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Speaker 1: What do you know? It's quite a few people that
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Speaker 1: are very close to mister Wheeler, and the large majority
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Speaker 1: say that that Nicole never could have done this. We've
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Speaker 1: all heard that before. What you've also heard rumors that
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Speaker 1: this is not the first event for mister Wheeler, that
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Speaker 1: he's also had some sort of other physical altercations in
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Speaker 1: the pen. Now, okay, I understand you're talking about the boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: What do you what do you mean physical altercations in
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Speaker 1: the past. From what I'm being told and from what
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Speaker 1: I understand from several sources that are again first first
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Speaker 1: person connections to those victims and to mister Wheeler, that
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Speaker 1: mister Wheeler has had some physical altercations with previous girlfriends
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Speaker 1: or previous relationships in the m Guys take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. Thirty seven year old Nicole Leelo Olsen was
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Speaker 1: found dead in the home just outside of San Antonio, Texas,
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Speaker 1: along with two teenage girls who were members of the family.
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Speaker 1: Now we're hearing that Nicole has at least three children.
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Speaker 1: Police said that Olsen's boyfriend, who lives at the home
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Speaker 1: with the three ladies, called nine one one after he
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Speaker 1: found the bodies. He is the owner of that home,
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Speaker 1: which he purchased last year. Now, the county sheriff said
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Speaker 1: that the two girls looked to have been the victims
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Speaker 1: of foul play and that they appeared to have been murdered.
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Speaker 1: The sheriff also said of Nicole Olsen that it's just
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Speaker 1: too early to tell if it was a murder or
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Speaker 1: a suicide. And then a medical examiner I'll be taking
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Speaker 1: We've got several deceased individuals inside of a house. It
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Speaker 1: appears that there's there's four residents in this house that
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Speaker 1: we know of this morning. One of the residents, a
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Speaker 1: male that had that had stayed outside the house last night.
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Speaker 1: Is the information we have. He came home this morning
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Speaker 1: to find the other three residents deceased. It appears that
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Speaker 1: they're then all three year deceased due to gunshot wounds
21:41
Speaker 1: to the other parts of their body. That three decedents
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Speaker 1: are female, Two of them are pretty young, believed to
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Speaker 1: be in their teens. And then the third is a
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Speaker 1: woman believed to be in our thirties. Beyond that, we
21:54
Speaker 1: couldn't speculate as to cause of death at this point.
21:57
Speaker 1: It's just too early to tell is considered a murder,
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Speaker 1: murder suicide. We well, we do believe at this point
22:05
Speaker 1: that at least at least two of them appear to
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Speaker 1: be murders. Of course, the the medical examiner will make
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Speaker 1: that final determination. It's just too early to tell on
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Speaker 1: the third person. If that is a murder or suicide,
22:16
Speaker 1: we'll let the medical examiner take a look at it.
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Speaker 1: What I can tell you is that the BCSO CSI
22:22
Speaker 1: unit is here, we have our mobile crime lab out
22:24
Speaker 1: on scene, and we're being meticulous about how this scene
22:27
Speaker 1: is process for certain certainly homicide is also speaking to
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Speaker 1: the male occupant of the residence, and we're hoping that
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Speaker 1: that as this investigation unfolds, it'll be able to shed
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Speaker 1: more light on not only what was going on before
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Speaker 1: last night, but also what may have happened this morning.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing from the sheriff Sheriff Javier Salazar speaking
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Speaker 1: about the discovery of three dead bodies and an Anaqua
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Speaker 1: Springs Ranch mansion. At first, it's believed that it was
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Speaker 1: a suicide murder. But would a mother kill her two
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Speaker 1: teen girl one day before the one of them was
23:02
Speaker 1: set to audition for America's Got Talent. It's just not
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Speaker 1: all fitting together to so many people join me right now?
23:11
Speaker 1: Is JT. Timpton, private investigator of Syncopace of Security. They're
23:15
Speaker 1: in Texas. What about the cell phone records? JT? Well, Nancy,
23:19
Speaker 1: I would think, first of all, cell phone records. Both
23:22
Speaker 1: all three of the major carriers have emergency departments that
23:26
Speaker 1: are specifically set up to receive subpoenas awards from law enforcement,
23:29
Speaker 1: and they're responded to, generally within twenty four hours or sooner,
23:34
Speaker 1: depending on if there's life at danger. So it's hard
23:36
Speaker 1: for me to believe that law enforcement or Bear County
23:39
Speaker 1: doesn't already have those cell phone records in hand which
23:42
Speaker 1: will do what I hold on just a just a moment, JT. JT. Tipton,
23:47
Speaker 1: Private investigator JT. You can get the cell phone records,
23:51
Speaker 1: like which calls were made, which incoming calls were made,
23:56
Speaker 1: But as far as pings go, for instance, placing the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend to live in the owner of this mansion, placing
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Speaker 1: his whereabouts. That's another can of worms. How quickly can
24:08
Speaker 1: you get ping data? Data is retained for several years.
24:13
Speaker 1: They can get that instantly as well. I do it
24:15
Speaker 1: in my civil cases when I'm doing stalking and harassment typecases.
24:20
Speaker 1: It takes a little bit longer, not being law enforcement,
24:23
Speaker 1: but I do know that law enforcement can have access
24:26
Speaker 1: to that almost instantly if they want it. Well, I
24:28
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right about that, JT. Tipton. So we're
24:31
Speaker 1: you believe the police have the cell phone data right now,
24:35
Speaker 1: and JT. Wouldn't that include texts as well? Well? They'll
24:39
Speaker 1: have an occurrence that a text transmitted. What they should
24:42
Speaker 1: have done, what I would have done if I were
24:45
Speaker 1: law enforcement looking at this, I would have issued a
24:47
Speaker 1: preservation order on all cell phones that were thought to
24:52
Speaker 1: be in conjunction or associated with this case, to include
24:56
Speaker 1: doing a cell powered jump from the main towers around
24:59
Speaker 1: the knockwork springs to look for similarities or anomalies. You know.
25:03
Speaker 1: And now you're talking technical talk because you dummy down
25:06
Speaker 1: for him employees quickly. Yeah, Basically, what we want to
25:09
Speaker 1: do is we want to look at who was on
25:10
Speaker 1: the cell phone towers and it could be thousands. However,
25:14
Speaker 1: if we were to go in to, say mister Wheeler's
25:16
Speaker 1: cell phone or it's on a cool cell phone, and
25:18
Speaker 1: we now notice similarities between phone numbers that were called,
25:22
Speaker 1: we could start to make some assumptions and maybe generate
25:26
Speaker 1: a lead from that. So additionally, every cell phone is
25:30
Speaker 1: reaching out to a cell phone tower or vice versa
25:33
Speaker 1: every three seconds. So when we look at using technology
25:37
Speaker 1: to try to locate somebody, the first thing we should
25:40
Speaker 1: remember is it's only going to show us where the
25:42
Speaker 1: cell phone is, not necessarily the person who owns the
25:45
Speaker 1: cell phone. So there's a little bit more work involved
25:48
Speaker 1: than just ping the phone to verify whether or not
25:51
Speaker 1: mister Wheeler was at the residence or not. And do
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Speaker 1: doctor Williams July psychologist, doctor July, I say, the content
25:57
Speaker 1: of those texts would be very very important. Doctors you lie?
26:03
Speaker 1: Why absolutely? The content of texts. I mean, that's one
26:07
Speaker 1: thing that's amazing about technology now is a text you
26:10
Speaker 1: can look at a person's text history and essentially read
26:13
Speaker 1: that person and their activities and behaviors like a book.
26:18
Speaker 1: You can even glean little inflections of behavior from text message.
26:22
Speaker 1: Of course, it won't give you the full three D perspective,
26:25
Speaker 1: but it can certainly give you enough information for an investigator.
26:28
Speaker 1: I would say to raise some questions about angles and
26:32
Speaker 1: look at you know what doctores July. Can you please
26:36
Speaker 1: be specific when you say you can glean slivers of
26:40
Speaker 1: something you said from text? What do you mean by that?
26:44
Speaker 1: Give me an example of what you're talking about so
26:46
Speaker 1: I can understand. Well, that's a good, good point, Nancy.
26:49
Speaker 1: You can look at, for example, the types of emojis
26:53
Speaker 1: of persons using. People often break what their People often
26:58
Speaker 1: have a complete conversation by using emojis, So you look
27:02
Speaker 1: at the types of emojis they're using. You look for words,
27:06
Speaker 1: look for keywords of emotions that the person is. You know,
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Speaker 1: you know where they are, what they're saying, they're doing,
27:14
Speaker 1: I miss you are are you back yet? Little things
27:19
Speaker 1: like that you didn't tell I've seen text messages where
27:23
Speaker 1: people have entire conversations like that. And by looking at
27:28
Speaker 1: those things and connecting it with the it's harder for
27:31
Speaker 1: me as a psychologist because I only have that, I
27:33
Speaker 1: only have one piece. But when you connect that with
27:35
Speaker 1: a bigger picture of what an investigator is looking at,
27:38
Speaker 1: and then they have a psychologist look at this type
27:40
Speaker 1: of information. It can be very interesting. You know, to
27:43
Speaker 1: Atlanta prosecutor Kenyan Johnson, I hear what he's saying, and
27:46
Speaker 1: that's pretty deep that you're trying to interpret emoji and
27:50
Speaker 1: so forth. I'd be looking for, did they have an
27:53
Speaker 1: argument via text that I could look at right before
27:58
Speaker 1: the triple shooting. That's what I'd be looking at. This
28:00
Speaker 1: is all a new interesting body of science and the
28:04
Speaker 1: sense of interpretation of the language of text communications. And
28:08
Speaker 1: so this is something that when the case goes to trial,
28:12
Speaker 1: or if you're looking at evidence a trial, having these
28:15
Speaker 1: experts to talk about what this means and why a
28:19
Speaker 1: person would use this phrasing and these abbreviations in this way,
28:24
Speaker 1: it's going to glean a lot into her emotions, right,
28:27
Speaker 1: and so very interesting. And he already admitted the boyfriend
28:32
Speaker 1: said that they had an argument the night before, and
28:35
Speaker 1: so the extent of that argument, what were their arguments
28:38
Speaker 1: like before? I think that's very significant. Kenya Kenyan Johnson
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Speaker 1: The fact that Nicole Olsen's death for right now has
30:16
Speaker 1: been ruled a suicide, we can't just say, oh, well,
30:19
Speaker 1: then she must have been the one that did this
30:21
Speaker 1: to these two little girls. We still have to go
30:24
Speaker 1: out and find out who it was that killed these
30:26
Speaker 1: two young ladies. The evidence may lead us right back
30:29
Speaker 1: to somebody within the house, but it may not, and
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Speaker 1: it would be irresponsible of us to come to that
30:33
Speaker 1: conclusion at this point when there's so much investigation being
30:37
Speaker 1: left to do. Let me just say I was briefed
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Speaker 1: by my investigators in this case on Saturday. We've been
30:42
Speaker 1: on the phone quite a bit since then, and then
30:44
Speaker 1: today again they briefed me. I don't know that I've
30:47
Speaker 1: ever been more proud of a group of investigators as
30:50
Speaker 1: I am in this case. They're leaving literally no stone unturned.
30:53
Speaker 1: They're working through their days off, they're basically working around
30:56
Speaker 1: the clock on this case and making sure that they're
30:59
Speaker 1: covering basis. They took evidence from that residence that you know,
31:03
Speaker 1: maybe wasn't typical of cases in years past or in
31:07
Speaker 1: times past, but I think it's the way we're doing
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Speaker 1: things moving forward here. I mentioned it at at the
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Speaker 1: press conference that day that I gave my sound bites
31:14
Speaker 1: and made mention of the fact that they were wearing
31:18
Speaker 1: biological suits. And again I'll reiterate the fact that in
31:21
Speaker 1: this case, we knew from the onset that this case
31:24
Speaker 1: was going to rely heavily on trace evidence, and so
31:27
Speaker 1: we have to be as investigators. We have to be
31:29
Speaker 1: careful not to contaminate a crime scene because again you
31:32
Speaker 1: realize that a hair fiber could make the total the
31:34
Speaker 1: difference in a case, a fingerprint could make the difference
31:37
Speaker 1: in a case. And so we're taking this case completely
31:40
Speaker 1: by the numbers. And again, my investigators are being completely
31:43
Speaker 1: thorough up to and including not ruling out the fact
31:46
Speaker 1: that there may be somebody here that wasn't even on
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Speaker 1: our radar before, but something that we find may lead
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Speaker 1: us to them. Well, that's not a very comforting thought
31:53
Speaker 1: that there is a triple killer on the loose. That's
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Speaker 1: the Bear County Sheriff Javier Salazar. As we go to air,
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Speaker 1: are learning the FBI has joined the investigation into the
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Speaker 1: triple homicide, the triple deaths of a mother and her
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Speaker 1: two little girls and a luxury San Antonio ranch house,
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Speaker 1: and that's according to the Bear County Sheriff's Office. With me,
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Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, Kenya Johnson, doctor William July, and JT. Tipton,
32:19
Speaker 1: private eye, founder of Sinco Paco Security and Investigations, right
32:23
Speaker 1: there and the same neck of woods. JT. Tipton, what
32:26
Speaker 1: can you tell me about the FBI coming in? You know,
32:29
Speaker 1: I'm very confused about that. In my experience and based
32:32
Speaker 1: on some conversations that I've had with some colleagues that
32:36
Speaker 1: are retired federal law enforcement and a few that they're
32:39
Speaker 1: actually still active, the FBI doesn't really get involved in
32:43
Speaker 1: a case like this unless it's one involving children that
32:46
Speaker 1: have been adducted and taken across state lines, or if
32:49
Speaker 1: there might be a foreign national involved that may be
32:52
Speaker 1: trying to evade apprehension. I don't know the answer to that,
32:55
Speaker 1: you know to Robo Willinski Crime online dot com investigative
32:58
Speaker 1: reporter where this and every other breaking crime news story
33:02
Speaker 1: you can find it right there at Crime Online. Robert Willinski,
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Speaker 1: the FBI has now joined into this investigation. What do
33:10
Speaker 1: you make of it? I make of it that they're
33:12
Speaker 1: going to go through security cameras. This is a very
33:15
Speaker 1: well to do area, as these are people that can
33:18
Speaker 1: afford to have cameras inside and outside their homes. And
33:22
Speaker 1: I think they're going to meticulously go through that neighborhood, Nancy,
33:26
Speaker 1: and get video, whether it's ten twelve hours, and meticulously
33:31
Speaker 1: go through who went through that gate in that house,
33:34
Speaker 1: who was walking around. The FBI is going to go
33:37
Speaker 1: to the door and ask people what did you see
33:40
Speaker 1: that night, what did you see that morning? And that's
33:43
Speaker 1: why the FBI is joining this case. Well, the FBI
33:46
Speaker 1: has access to resources the sheriff's office does not, simply
33:49
Speaker 1: because it's federally funded. For instance, the sheriff said, in
33:53
Speaker 1: the event we need advice of some sort of a profiler,
33:57
Speaker 1: well we don't have a profiler here, but the FBI does,
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Speaker 1: so it just opens up a lot more possibilities. Now.
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Speaker 1: The spokesperson, Special Agent Michelle Lee for the FBI San
34:08
Speaker 1: Antonio office confirmed they are assisting even though there has
34:14
Speaker 1: been a government shutdown, They're assisting no matter what, whether
34:20
Speaker 1: the government shuts down again, they're still assisting. But what
34:25
Speaker 1: are they doing a significant number of personnel at the
34:28
Speaker 1: FBI's national headquarters who normally assist with these type of
34:31
Speaker 1: investigations have been furloaded. They're back on the job right now.
34:36
Speaker 1: Let's strike while the iron is hot now. The boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Charlie wheel Or thirty one, tell me what do we know? JT. Tipton?
34:45
Speaker 1: What does he do for a living? And how does
34:47
Speaker 1: he happen to own a huge ranch mansion in Annaquis Springs?
34:52
Speaker 1: How's that? What does he do? No, Charlie comes from
34:55
Speaker 1: a very well to do family, very respectable family involved
34:58
Speaker 1: in oil fields here in Texas. They also own locally
35:03
Speaker 1: a very large feed store that does quite well. I
35:08
Speaker 1: think he's Charlie's, you know, kind of been born with
35:10
Speaker 1: the silver spoon in his mouth and has been pretty
35:12
Speaker 1: much handed everything that he has. Interesting does he have
35:15
Speaker 1: a job? From what I understand, he does own and
35:18
Speaker 1: operate an old field services company, So he's working, and
35:23
Speaker 1: I'm very curious. They've been dating for about one year?
35:26
Speaker 1: Is that right? Robin Wilenski, Yeah, just a little over
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Speaker 1: a year. That is too. JT. Tipton, private investigator at
35:33
Speaker 1: Cinco Paco Security. JT. What more can you tell me
35:36
Speaker 1: about the boyfriend? Charlie wheel are thirty one years old, family,
35:41
Speaker 1: they're in the community, they're very well respected within the community.
35:44
Speaker 1: They're very well politically connected. What do you mean by
35:48
Speaker 1: that just with the local community, with the local leadership
35:52
Speaker 1: ranging from you know, the local sheriff's office too, They're
35:56
Speaker 1: just they're large contributors. I actually think it would be interesting,
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Speaker 1: and I haven't had time to do this. There's been
36:03
Speaker 1: some public comments on some Facebook posts from very well
36:09
Speaker 1: known individuals locally here in the San Antonio Bear County area,
36:13
Speaker 1: some political figures that are piping in, like Carlosures or
36:17
Speaker 1: Carlos Euresti, who some of you may know was. I
36:21
Speaker 1: believe he was just indicted on some criminal charges and
36:24
Speaker 1: he's commenting on these posts. It couldn't have nothing to
36:27
Speaker 1: do with it. And I'd like to see what kind
36:30
Speaker 1: of campaign contributions were made to mister Euresti's campaign account
36:34
Speaker 1: from the Wheelers. I know this. I know that Nicole
36:37
Speaker 1: Olson argue with her boyfriend the night before she and
36:41
Speaker 1: her two daughters were found shot dead and his luxury
36:47
Speaker 1: home in a gated neighborhood. I find it very difficult
36:52
Speaker 1: to believe, Kenyan Johnson, you're the felony prosecutor, that nobody
36:58
Speaker 1: and this posh gated community had security cameras. Oh, this
37:03
Speaker 1: is an ongoing investigation. I think as time goes on
37:06
Speaker 1: and people begin to review their footage, as they hear
37:09
Speaker 1: about this time, something is going to come out. This
37:13
Speaker 1: is the type of neighborhood that is well secured, and
37:18
Speaker 1: as time goes on, we'll find more and more information.
37:21
Speaker 1: In Kenya, Kenya plays. You know rich people, they have
37:25
Speaker 1: all sorts of alarms, they have cameras, the works. So
37:30
Speaker 1: if there was an intruder, you know he and you
37:33
Speaker 1: know it's a man. If there was an intruder, statistically,
37:38
Speaker 1: it's got to be caught on camera. What's happening or
37:41
Speaker 1: someone open walking their dog or taking out the trash.
37:45
Speaker 1: Someone saw something and sometimes it takes a couple of
37:48
Speaker 1: days to put their memory together and well who did
37:51
Speaker 1: was that night? But things are still gonna come out,
37:55
Speaker 1: and we will find someone some of this neighborhood that
37:57
Speaker 1: had to have seen something out of the ordinary. And
38:00
Speaker 1: if they don't see something out of the ordinary, then
38:03
Speaker 1: it leads towards it may have been the boyfriend because
38:07
Speaker 1: nothing was out of the ordinary. Well, hold on, we
38:09
Speaker 1: know that right now the boyfriend has not been named
38:14
Speaker 1: a suspect. He has been named a person of interest
38:17
Speaker 1: to my understanding and the lawyers he already has lawyers.
38:24
Speaker 1: One of his lawyers has expressed frustration with comments made
38:29
Speaker 1: by the sheriff and has reiterated there's no problem cause
38:33
Speaker 1: to indicate Wheeler committed any crime at all. So what
38:38
Speaker 1: happens next? Take a listen to the sheriff Sheriff Salazar speaking.
38:46
Speaker 1: I said it out there at the crime scene that
38:49
Speaker 1: crime knows no boundaries geographic or socioeconomic otherwise, and neither
38:55
Speaker 1: does our manner investigating a case. Just the only difference
38:59
Speaker 1: between this case and others is many times other cases
39:02
Speaker 1: are a lot more clear cut from the onset this one.
39:05
Speaker 1: There's just way too many unanswered questions. But I can
39:07
Speaker 1: tell you that what I've seen of my investigative staff
39:10
Speaker 1: and the efforts that they're putting forward and how painstaking
39:13
Speaker 1: their being, at some point we're going to have a
39:15
Speaker 1: clearer picture. We're just not there yet. We wait as
39:18
Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Tipline two one zero, three, three, five, six
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Speaker 1: zero seven zero Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,