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• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Is the gold reward.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: Tonight a farewell to Adam Band, the poisonous Green leader
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: has lost his seat. There won't be a fond farewell,
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: plus a message to the Liberals who claim they lost
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: by being two right wing. You guys are having us on,
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: when will you right wing? Meanwhile, Peter Dutton returns to
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: Canberra while Labors left let their new power go to
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: their heads. Also tonight, the spy state There are now
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: moves to bring facial recognition to Melbourne to spoil citizens
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: in the street. But is your safety worth it? And
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: the battle to replace the pope gets nasty as the
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: Cardinals meet tonight in Rome to choose their new leader.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: One front runner is accused of being a gambler. But first,
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: the brutal reality of this election is becoming very clear.
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: Very fast.
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  Speaker 2: Labor one with lies about the Liberals and bribes for
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  Speaker 2: the voters. But the big threats for our future are
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: all still there, and the Albanizi government still has no
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: plan to tackle any of them. And boy, have India
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: and Pakistan just reminded us of one of Labour's big
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: blind spots. These two nuclear powers star yet another war
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: that could just very easily get right out of hand.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: And here is the big picture. Here, Today is yet
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: another war or skirmish for now in a world already
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: with so many wars, wars in Gaza, Israel, Lebanon, Yemen, Kashmir, Sudan, Mali,
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  Speaker 2: all like this one involving Islamic armies or terror groups.
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: Plus there's also, of course Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: China might meanwhile threatening war with Taiwan. That's so much
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: war in a world fast becoming so volatile, so unstable,
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: that all that. Yet we have just re elected the
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: Albanize government stripped our armed.
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  Speaker 3: Forces to the bone.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a government that cut plans for
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: new fighters, new supply ships, new howitzers, new naval anti mining,
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  Speaker 2: and left the army so short of even ammunition. The
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: former Chief of Army, Peter Lay complained, there's nothing left
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: for the bloody guns. It's also left the army, the
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  Speaker 2: navy so weak that it couldn't even send a ship
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: to shadow three Chinese warships who circled their continent in February,
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: firing guns to scare us and making commercial flights detour.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: All that, yet we still voted for labor and voted
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: against the coalition, which promised that the election to at
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  Speaker 2: least spend another twenty one billion dollars on our defense
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  Speaker 2: in five years. That's twenty one billion now that won't
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: be spent now. All that's, of course, sir, partly the
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  Speaker 2: coalition's fault, I mean, and not just because its campaign
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  Speaker 2: was so rubbish in so many ways.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of reasons to vote against them.
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  Speaker 2: But the coalition should also have run very hard on defense,
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: as I said so often during the campaign. Instead, it
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: turned defense into a non issue by leaving its half
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: baked policy to the end of the campaign and by
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  Speaker 2: muzzling its defense spokesman Andrew Hasty and labor. It cared
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  Speaker 2: so little that it didn't even bother to announce the
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  Speaker 2: defense policy in this campaign.
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  Speaker 3: How blind can we be? Now? Sure?
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  Speaker 2: This latest morning India Pakistan, it's not going to hurt us,
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  Speaker 2: almost certainly. I mean, it's the eighth between Muslim Pakistan
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  Speaker 2: and Hindu India in seventy eight years, and the other
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  Speaker 2: ones didn't cause us trouble, and this one may well
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  Speaker 2: turn out to be like the last few between these
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  Speaker 2: lifelong enemies. I mean, lots of bluster a few bombs,
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  Speaker 2: not many dead some of those wars that were a
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: lot of dead, but recently and claims the victory. Then
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  Speaker 2: on both sides, nationalists pride satisfied. But you never know,
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: do you, because both countries have nuclear weapons pointed at
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  Speaker 2: each other and eighty years of hatred between them and
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  Speaker 2: its latest war, skirmish for now, started two weeks ago
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  Speaker 2: where Muslim terrorists murdered twenty six people, mostly tourists, in
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  Speaker 2: India controlled Kashmir, which is also claimed by Pakistan. India
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  Speaker 2: blamed Pakistan for sheltering the killers, and then it's just
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  Speaker 2: fired missiles at nine targets inside Pakistan, including a mosque
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  Speaker 2: which it claims was used by Islamus terrorists. Pakistan then
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  Speaker 2: fired back with aircraft and missiles and has claimed to down.
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  Speaker 3: Five Indian jets and a drone.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that might be it or not, because of course
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  Speaker 2: India under Promisu Mahendra Modi is very chauvinistic and the
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  Speaker 2: media is just going war. Obviously, this war is not ours,
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  Speaker 2: and we would never intervene, not militarily. But what this
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  Speaker 2: shows is how fast wars now can break out and
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: how unpredictably, I mean, even US president Donald Trump, for one,
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  Speaker 2: was caught by surprise today.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's a shame.
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  Speaker 5: We just heard about it, just as we were walking
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  Speaker 5: in the doors of the Oval. I just heard about it.
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  Speaker 5: I guess people knew something was going to happen based
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  Speaker 5: on a little bit of the past. They've been fighting
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  Speaker 5: for a long time. You know, they've been fighting for many,
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  Speaker 5: many decades.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, the world is now more chaotic and more dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can even now get a backwater country
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: like Yemen this week bombing Israel's main airport. You've got
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  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump this week refusing to rule out sending
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  Speaker 2: the army to take Greenland from Denmark.
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  Speaker 4: But you are not ruling out military force to take Greenland.
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  Speaker 3: I don't rule it out. I don't say I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to do it, but I don't rule out anything. No,
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  Speaker 3: not there do need that.
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  Speaker 4: We need Grenlin very badly.
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  Speaker 2: We are seeing the language and practice of wart once
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  Speaker 2: more being normalized. And nothing now is sure, not even
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  Speaker 2: this fond belief we had that the US it'll always
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: come to save us.
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  Speaker 3: Not now.
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  Speaker 2: When Trump is warning he won't defend allies that don't
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: spend more on their own defense.
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  Speaker 5: I said, if you're not going to pay your bills,
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  Speaker 5: We're not going to defend you.
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  Speaker 2: All this strife and uncertainty. Yet here we are rewarding
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  Speaker 2: a government that's in said run down our military. That
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  Speaker 2: is some denial. Joining me is Michael Schubrich, a former
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  Speaker 2: senior defense official and now founder and director of Strategic
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  Speaker 2: Analysis Australia. Michael, great to see you again. Where is
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  Speaker 2: this war likely to go?
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  Speaker 6: Well, Andrew, the escalation hasn't finished. The line of control
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  Speaker 6: has got artillery exchanges happening. That's not the most dangerous thing.
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  Speaker 6: The most dangerous thing is what happens next after these
• 7:34
  Speaker 6: Indian air strikes. If Pakistan has actually shot down Indian aircraft,
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  Speaker 6: the Indians will want to escalate and respond to that.
• 7:43
  Speaker 6: If the Indians have shot down Pakistani aircraft, well, the
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  Speaker 6: Pakistanis won't want to leave it there. At the moment,
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  Speaker 6: it's not really a military on military conflict, but that
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  Speaker 6: could happen as a result of what we saw today.
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  Speaker 2: Is India actually right that Pakistan is hiding Islamus terrorsts
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  Speaker 2: who kill Indians? This was the charge in the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of wars as well.
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 6: There's a history of that being true where Pakistan has
• 8:14
  Speaker 6: had terrors operating out of its territory. But in this case,
• 8:18
  Speaker 6: the Indians have said they've got evidence, but they haven't
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  Speaker 6: actually provided it. So really, if the Indians want to
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  Speaker 6: bring international opinion with them, they need to be open
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  Speaker 6: about what evidence they've got.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: Well, let's not forget that older Azama bin Laden was
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: found hiding not far from military headquarters in Pakistan. Just
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: speaking Australia first, is this war at all the danger for.
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  Speaker 4: Us in military terms?
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  Speaker 6: No, the conflict is almost certain to be contained India
• 8:57
  Speaker 6: and Pakistan. But we saw, or we've seen the Israel
• 9:01
  Speaker 6: Gaza conflict play out in a very ugly way in
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  Speaker 6: the Australian community, and they're about eight hundred thousand Australian
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  Speaker 6: Indians and about two hundred thousand Australian Pakistanis.
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  Speaker 4: We need to manage.
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  Speaker 6: The community difference over this conflict far better than we've
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  Speaker 6: managed the Israel Hamas garzawe.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so let's not forget that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, community harmony is another huge failure of this government.
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  Speaker 2: And speaking of failures, I take your point and I
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  Speaker 2: agree with you completely. This is highly unlikely to militarily involvers,
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  Speaker 2: but with so many wars breaking out and threatening to
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  Speaker 2: break out in our region as well, and the consequences
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  Speaker 2: can be so unpredictable. We could be cut off, our
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: sea lanes cut off very easily. How pathetic was this
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  Speaker 2: past the election we've just had, when it had so
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  Speaker 2: little debate on defense, although at least the Coalition did
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  Speaker 2: offer twenty one billion dollars more.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Andrew, you are spot on.
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  Speaker 6: The election campaign we all just endured was a depressing
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  Speaker 6: race to the bottom in policy terms from both Labor
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  Speaker 6: and the Coalition.
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  Speaker 4: That's why the informal vote was so high this time.
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  Speaker 6: These were unpalatable candidates and parties. But you're right, the
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  Speaker 6: Coalition's defense policy was a lonely moment where some of
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  Speaker 6: the more ugly realities in our world intruded into a
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  Speaker 6: campaign characterized by sugar hits and lollybags for Australian voters.
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  Speaker 6: So we're not doing enough to secure Australia. It's going
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  Speaker 6: to take more money, but that's not a priority for
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  Speaker 6: the government.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, we just voted against the party, the
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  Speaker 2: one party that promised more, twenty one billion more. I
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: said it wasn't enough, It wasn't enough, but that was
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: as much as we were offered, and we voted against
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  Speaker 2: ephen that. Michael Schubridge, thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 2: It's just amazing to me. But listen, let's go to
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  Speaker 2: a more warfare bit of a different kind. Hopefully not
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: many people hurt politics in Australia. And the big news
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  Speaker 2: today Adam Bant is gone. The latest counting of votes
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  Speaker 2: show that the Greens leader has got exactly what he
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  Speaker 2: deserved and lost this seat of Melbourne to Labor. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: the Greens have now lost at least three and maybe
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  Speaker 2: all four of its Lower House seats. And good I
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  Speaker 2: mean the Greens started out as Kohala huggers and tree savers.
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  Speaker 2: Under Adam Bant, they became new Marxists, but worse, such
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  Speaker 2: reckless climate fear among us, spreading needless alarm, so anti
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  Speaker 2: Australia that Bant refused to stand before an Australian flag,
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  Speaker 2: and so anti Israel and so pro radical Islam that
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  Speaker 2: his deputy leader, Marrying Ferruki couldn't even condemn hamas the
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  Speaker 2: terrorist group that massacred twelve hundred Jews and started this
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  Speaker 2: war with Israel.
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  Speaker 4: Free, free Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, and now Adam Band. This poisonous leader of
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  Speaker 2: a poisonous party is gone. I don't like dancing of
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  Speaker 2: people's graves. I once worked for a politician who lost
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  Speaker 2: his seat and I saw how it shattered him. But
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  Speaker 2: to Adam Band, I say good riddance. Joining me is
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  Speaker 2: the political panel Cameron Milner, former chief of Staff, the
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  Speaker 2: Labor leader, Bill Shorten, now director of g XO Strategies,
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Costla, former New South Wales Labor treasurer. Adam
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  Speaker 2: Band gone, Cameron, what.
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  Speaker 3: Does this mean for the Greens. Well, it's the.
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  Speaker 7: Best news of the election campaign, I think. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it's so good to see such an extreme party that
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  Speaker 7: was so euty his and so progy hardy, pro Muslim
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  Speaker 7: extremists finally booted from the Parliament. And had Labour actually
• 13:06
  Speaker 7: preferenced the Liberals in Rye and we would have got
• 13:08
  Speaker 7: rid of them all together. I suspect they'll be the
• 13:11
  Speaker 7: one member of Parliament left in the House Reps. But
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  Speaker 7: so good to see that hypocrite Adam bad finally punted
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  Speaker 7: from the Parliament.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, but Michael, they still have eleven senators in the
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  Speaker 2: upper house. They are the go to party for Labor
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  Speaker 2: to get in through through the Senate or do you
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  Speaker 2: take some heart. Do you think there's a lesson for
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: the Greens saloon? Well, they what should they learn from.
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  Speaker 8: This, Andrew, They'll learn nothing. They're not capable of learning
• 13:38
  Speaker 8: anything because they're even ramiss, the political even the Ramases.
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  Speaker 8: But look, the Greens have always been the watermelon party.
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: That's how I used to describe them in the New
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  Speaker 8: South Wales Parliament, and they had some few tree huggers there,
• 13:51
  Speaker 8: but they were being taken over by the old SBA,
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  Speaker 8: the old Socialist Party, the Moscow line people.
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  Speaker 1: Look what you said is absolutely right here.
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  Speaker 8: You've got a part that supports the extermination of the
• 14:03
  Speaker 8: state of Israel. It supports that through that idiotic slogan
• 14:07
  Speaker 8: that they keep mouthing off, but at the same time
• 14:09
  Speaker 8: oppose as nuclear energy yet claims to support some sort
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  Speaker 8: of climate crisis solution.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: They're hypocrites. Adam band I don't care.
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  Speaker 8: He'll end up in minas teaching politics, you know, to
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  Speaker 8: indoctrinate the next bunch of young people to the nonsense
• 14:25
  Speaker 8: that comes out of our universities. The Greens have always
• 14:29
  Speaker 8: appealed to a small section of the young people and
• 14:31
  Speaker 8: also the credential fools that come out of our university.
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  Speaker 8: So good riddance. I hope it happens in the Senate way.
• 14:37
  Speaker 8: Labor should be able to negotiate with some of the
• 14:41
  Speaker 8: other Senators to try and get through their legislation. A
• 14:44
  Speaker 8: lot of it we don't want it to get through,
• 14:46
  Speaker 8: of course.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, Yeah, I'd like to think they were punished for
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: being too extreme to anti Israel. That would be right,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: that would be the moral thing to do. But fear
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: that a lot of the young vote simply went for
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  Speaker 2: the cam We've voted Labor to get the thousands of
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: dollars of handouts for a cut in their student fee,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: student loans. I mean, it's as simple as that. The
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  Speaker 2: most insanely stupid welfare policy put to this election sixteen
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: billion dollars flushed down the drain straight bribe to privileged people.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Another blow to climate catastrophus. Though, I have to say
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Cameron Liberal Tim Wilson has won back his Melbourne seed
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  Speaker 2: of gold Son he held her before, lost it to
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Teal MP Zoe Danielson and now taking it back offer.
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  Speaker 2: He's the first Liberal to win back a seat from
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  Speaker 2: an independent and the first the defeat is sitting MP here.
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  Speaker 9: Is to be given that privilege once again is something
• 15:45
  Speaker 9: that is almost unbelievable. I also want to thank, particularly
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  Speaker 9: the people who never gave up on me.
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: What does this teach the Liberals, Well, it teaches that
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: they shouldn't be fearful of the Teals. The teals are beatable,
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: and the teals are beatable on basic care liberal values.
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  Speaker 7: And I think a merely a Hamer is going to
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  Speaker 7: win against Meniku Ryan, which would be another fantastic win
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: to knock Manique Ryan off. I think we're going to hold.
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: The Liberals will hold on to Bradfield as well, and
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: Dan teen saw them out in one and so the
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  Speaker 7: Liberals actually finally worked out how to deal with these teals. Labor,
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  Speaker 7: on the other hand.
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  Speaker 3: Has got freemantle on the wire.
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: Being on the wire, Franklin looked terrible. So the Teals
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: and the climate two hundred people coming off to save
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: Labor seats as well Andrew and Labor doesn't have an
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  Speaker 7: answer on that. The Liberals, I think, have found an
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  Speaker 7: answer for how they deal with the teals in their
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: seats at least. And good luck to Tim Wilson. I
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: back him as an MP. I think he's had his
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: herd in it. He's worked really hard. He deserves the
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: win against Stowey Daniels especially.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: How do you read this, Michael. There we've got the
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Liberals seeing off some of the Teal challenge for this election.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Does that mean their election campaign was skewed to winning
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: back the Teal seats at the costs that the rest
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: of the country virtually or does it mean that people
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: are like Tim Wilson who actually fought for nuclear power
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  Speaker 2: and all that argued very much strongly for it, very passionate.
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  Speaker 2: Did he personally have the touch here? What is the lesson?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Well? I think he had the touch personally.
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  Speaker 8: I look the Liberals campaign and how many people are
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: saying this now, but we did say it on your
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  Speaker 8: program over many months. I think we were a verse
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  Speaker 8: of predicta how bad this Cameron and I have? This
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: campaign was. I mean, look, you had a camp rue
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: that is true in rugby league terms. This was like
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: reserve grade playing the under sixteens in terms of campaigning,
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: you know, and I say reserve grades because the Labor
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: Party wasn't very good anyhow. It's just up against the
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: terrible campaign and I think The Liberals have got to
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: realize that you've got to stick to your values. And
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: I worry about this leadership election that's coming up. If
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: they think the lesson of this is to move back
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: to the so called center and elect somebody from New
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: South well that's from the moderate faction for their kid themselves,
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: I'll have no chance of winning any of those seats back.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: You know, the problem was the prosecution was bad.
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: Unfortunately Angus Taylor didn't prosecute the economic case at all.
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: The backflips were appalling. Showed how incompetent they were. And
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: really that's the real lesson here.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: If you run a.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: Proper professional campaign, focus on principal policies.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And do the hard work.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: They didn't do the hard work andrew no policies, pull
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: them out of the bottom drawer. You know, the day
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: before the media conference, that was a disaster.
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  Speaker 3: I totally agree.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: But speaking of that, we're talking more about that with
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Rowan Dean. This ridiculous claim that the Liberals were too
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: much to the right and have to tap our tack
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: back to the center. I didn't see that much that
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: was right wing about them in the first place. They're
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: now brawling over who will lead them since Peter didun't
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: lost this scene. Now, This poor bloke, by the way,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: was snapped in at Camera Airport today out coming back
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: to town to clear out his office and get out
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: of politics and stop talking to pesk journalists.
• 19:05
  Speaker 10: Here is let's feel good knowing you're returning to Canberra,
• 19:10
  Speaker 10: but you don't have to endure another cold winter.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I've been very appreciative for the support and all
• 19:16
  Speaker 11: the good wishes, and I'm very grateful for that. So
• 19:19
  Speaker 11: thank you.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: Who would you like to be the next leader of
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: blas I've.
• 19:24
  Speaker 11: Spoken to my colleagues, and the Liberal Party rebuilds from
• 19:28
  Speaker 11: here and that's as it should Bease the best model
• 19:30
  Speaker 11: I've seen is where leader's former make a graceful exit
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: from politics and maintain their graceful silence.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: But Cameron, the dirt is now flying between the people
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: trying to be a successor Conservative Angus Taylor and Susan Lee,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the Liberals deputy leader back by the Liberal Left. Lee
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: supporters say Taylor's economic policies of this election were terrible.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Taylor supporters are putting out a list of Lee's failures,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: almost no policy of her own, not speaking against the
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: out against policies as Liberal deputy leader that she now
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: blamed for the defeat, and so on. Which of the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: above should be the next leader?
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: Well, none of the above. I mean Susan Lay's idea
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: of doing the numbers is consulting her numerologist. I mean
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: she's a nutter. Angus Taylor didn't do the work. I
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: mean he's a dilotant.
• 20:20
  Speaker 11: No.
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: Look, I think the Liberals have got to search beyond
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: the obvious. People who are culpable for this campaign, culpable
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: for letting Peter Dutton down. And there's Danteene who saw
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: off the Teals and is a solid centrist. There's also
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: Tim Wilson, who actually showed the Liberal Party had actually
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: win back seats. So I think the Liberals have got
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: to search further than the blindingly obvious, because they will
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: just be a gift to Albow to win a third term.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: If it's Taylor or Lay. What's your call there, Michael.
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: Well, I can guarantee you if they put Susan Lay
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: in that they will get a third term, because you
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: know she brings with that notion that somehow you've got
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: to tack to the center rather than tack to your values.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And that is a position.
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: Look, I don't think the next Liberal prime minister is
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: in the Parliament at the moment, is my view. They're
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: probably and I'm totally in agreement with Cameron on this.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: Taylor didn't do the work, he's lazy and a lot
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: of that is shown up in the result. I think
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: he's probably the best choices a holding leader until the
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: next election and hopefully they can get somebody in then
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: because I just think you know, they're in crisis mode
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: and they're seeking to analyze the problem in the way
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: they always do, which is to blame the other faction
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: for the policy failures rather than the fact that they
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: weren't consistent and they're all lazy.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: The word dilettante is the word that applies whole party.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm just wondering Cameron whether the Liberals should be contemplating.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you can do it, but what
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Canada did where they dumped the ruling party there dump
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the Liberals dumped their leader Trudeau, who was just hopeless,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and chose the former governor of the Bank of England
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was as a successor outside parliament, who
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: then went on to lead exactly to victory at the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: next election.
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: Is that a possibility And if you look, it is
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: and it worked for the LMP and Queensland with Campbell
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: Newman very successfully as well, and they wipe the floor. Yes,
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: the obvious choice, if that's the case, is the obvious
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: choice is Josh Friedenberg. If Josh can actually be drafted
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: to lead the Liberal Party, I think he would actually
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: be the obvious choice. He's not someone who's currently in Parliament,
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: but clearly got leadership ambition and talent, extreme talent.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, except, of course, those who did win their seats
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of this election did so with such hard graft that
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: good luck trying to prize their seat out of their hands.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Michael Costa, the Cameray Millner.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: Would have a different seat, that's right, Yeah, thank you.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: No exactly for which.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: After the break should we be spared on in the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: one of our city councils is now considering facial recognition
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to check for crooks. Is your safety worth this intrusion?
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: Now?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: A rising crime and terrorism? They are turning us more
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and more into a surveillance state, a Chinese style, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: where they even have a system of recognize you in
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the street and if they don't, like if you've got
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a bad social credit, they could stop you doing things
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: like catching a train. But it's a tough choice here,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you want to be safer or do
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you want to be spied on? Last night, no, you
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: probably to be safe. You do need to be spied on.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe you don't want to be spied on it all.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Last night Melbourne City Council voted to investigate how artificial
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: intelligence could be used to check our streets for troublemakers
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: who are on file, identify them by their face or
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: even the way they walk, believe.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: It or not.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Now London Police have been running a trial of exactly this.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: They've even got vans out.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Of the street with cameras scanning the faces of people
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: like this crime.
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: We're just yeah, what's happened?
• 24:13
  Speaker 13: So subject has just walked through one of our cameras,
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: who's got conditions that have been set by by us
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: or by the courts. We can see that they've walked
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: through the Santande camera, so officers should be stopping that
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: person now. So the only phone you've got on you,
• 24:29
  Speaker 13: he's a registered sex.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Offender, So they spot the face using this technology in
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the van and then they send the image to police
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: on the street and to their mobiles. And in this
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: particular trial, more than five hundred people were arrested, which
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is great, isn't it, Although another twenty seven or odd
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: were wrongly identified, but then that was checked out later.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Joining me is the Lord Mayor of Melbourne, Nicholas Reese. Nicholas,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: great to see you again.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: What is it that's.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Actually you know, there's never a solution without a problem
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: with What is it that is forcing you to consider
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: this kind of thing?
• 25:05
  Speaker 14: Look, Melbourne is a safe city, Andrew, but we have
• 25:09
  Speaker 14: parts of the city which are problematic, and we have
• 25:12
  Speaker 14: behaviors around the city which are problematic as well. And
• 25:16
  Speaker 14: so as Lord Mayor, I am very firmly committed to
• 25:20
  Speaker 14: doing everything I can to make sure that Melbourne, everyone
• 25:23
  Speaker 14: in Melbourne is safe, and not only and not only
• 25:25
  Speaker 14: that they feel safe as well. We have the City
• 25:29
  Speaker 14: of Melbourne one of the most extensive CCTV camera networks
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: in Australia. They're monitor over close to three hundred cameras.
• 25:38
  Speaker 14: They're monitored twenty four hours a day in our control
• 25:41
  Speaker 14: center at Town Hall. And last night the City of
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: Melbourne agreed that we would investigate new video analytic technologies
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: to see if they could work to help make Melbourne safer.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I want to stress in the outset.
• 25:57
  Speaker 14: Andrew, that that review will wiyh up the safety benefits
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: and the privacy implications of the new technologies so that
• 26:08
  Speaker 14: we can help make a judgment about what to do.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I perfectly understand why you want to be cautious about that,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: but I mean you quite looks honestly, Swansea Street at
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: night is basically frightening parts of it, and King Street
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: don't even talk about that, so we have got a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: real problem in that city. Now what you're talking about
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: is not exactly new, of course. I mean there's something
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: like that at a logan in Brisbane, the MCG and
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the Sydney Cricket Ground they do this sort of checking.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Some concert venues do the same for things like the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift concerts. Bunnings and Kmart did it as well
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to stop thieves especially, but the Privacy Commission told them
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that it was unlawful, an invasion of customers privacy, especially
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: keeping people's face prints when customers hadn't consented. Bunnings is
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: appealing to that, but how do you see that balance
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: privacy versus safety.
• 27:03
  Speaker 14: So you're absolutely right that more and more organizations are
• 27:08
  Speaker 14: using this technology, whether it's the mcg logan City Council
• 27:13
  Speaker 14: in Southeast Queensland or pretty much any shopping center in
• 27:17
  Speaker 14: Australia now as well. So all we're doing at the
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: City of Melbourne is saying could these technologies be used
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: on the streets of the central city.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: The truth is there's a range.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Of technologies here as well, Andrews.
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: So you know it can be simple as AI technology
• 27:36
  Speaker 14: being able to detect a dump trolley and then notifying
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: the supermarket owner of the dump trolley and please have
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: it removed.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It can move.
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: Through to recognizing motor vehicle registration plates or vehicles so
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: if needed, police can track equally, they can track people
• 27:53
  Speaker 14: based on clothes or distinctive clothing items like a backpack.
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: Then you sort of move further up the scale and
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: you've got bioinformatic data. So that can include facial recognition software,
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: but it can also include things like somebody's gate. So
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: for example, imagine if somebody was running through the middle
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: of Birch Street Mall. That would be an unusual thing.
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: Most people be walking in an area Okay, so if
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: somebody's running, the technology can pick up that, and you
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: know that maybe they're maybe they're running from someone, maybe
• 28:25
  Speaker 14: they've been.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Up to no good.
• 28:26
  Speaker 14: But the technology can pick that up, detect it and
• 28:29
  Speaker 14: then alert authorities to it. So there's lots of new
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: applications that are e merging with the technologies. And again
• 28:36
  Speaker 14: at the City of Melbourne, I agree. I think privacy concerns,
• 28:40
  Speaker 14: human rights dimensions really need to be weighed up here
• 28:44
  Speaker 14: against the benefits to solving crime. And I can tear
• 28:47
  Speaker 14: this In Melbourne. CCTV is very effective. Our Safe City
• 28:51
  Speaker 14: Camera network has been involved in forty three thousand incidents
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: and literally stops crime in its track, stopping crime it's occurring,
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: so it stopped deters crime. It also detects run It's
• 29:04
  Speaker 14: a very effective tool.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I totally get the argument. Nick.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Then again, you think, obviously these are powers that can
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: be used by dictatorial governments, and certainly are in China
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to really interfere with people's freedom. And I even think,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I reckon one hurle you might
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: have is the fact that we had a semi dictatorial
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: government in the Andrews government.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I know you're a labor Guard.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: But still that Daniel Andrews governed during the COVID lockdowns,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it would frighten me to consider what that man could
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: do with a facial recognition technology to get people to
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: obey his tyrannical lockdown. And I think that a lot
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of people might think, oh, golly, we've been through that
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: We don't want that. Is that a factor?
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 29:49
  Speaker 14: So I know you're not a big regulation guy, Andrew,
• 29:53
  Speaker 14: but it is interesting there is more regulation rolling out
• 29:58
  Speaker 14: in this area at the moment, both at a state
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: and federal level. You mentioned Bunnings before, so they had
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: the Strain Office of Information Commissioner look at that particular
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: case and Bunnings decided. Sorry, the commissioner decided that in
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: that particular case, the benefits of Bunnings using facial recognition
• 30:21
  Speaker 14: software on everyone entering a store did not outweigh the
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: privacy implications, so said Bondings couldn't keep doing it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: Bunnings, interestingly have appealed that case to the aat the
• 30:33
  Speaker 14: Administrative Appeals Tribune, So that'll be a lot of people
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: watching to see what happens here. But the point is
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: that this is an area where I think you do
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: want to have guardrails in place. You need to know
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: who's watching the watches and making sure that yeah, there's
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: not overreach, and it's certainly not been put to any
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: use that is not strictly agreed to in our democracy.
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: But look, I've got to put it to Andrew. I
• 30:58
  Speaker 14: think I've seen a CCTV have a powerful thing. I reckon,
• 31:01
  Speaker 14: once i've put a nine people will post that. As
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: long as you've got the right checks in place. I
• 31:07
  Speaker 14: think some of these technologies can be very helpful.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: But again, I'm not going.
• 31:10
  Speaker 14: To preempt the outcome of the review that runs taking
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: at the city moment. It's due to report in July.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Nicholas, we're mates, and I would I would
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: trust you with this technology.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Dan Andrews, I wouldn't.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't trust him the length of his golf stick, right, Really,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I just wouldn't trust them at all. And that is
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: really the issue we have seen government over each again
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and again.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: But I agree with you.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, why why not Bunnings was being robbed blind
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: by people and that cost costs for everyone to causes
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: costs for everyone to rise, and why they shouldn't be
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: able to monitor that sort of stuff when customers can
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: freely go to another shop if they don't like it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I don't get it, but Nicholas Frees, I'm really fascinated
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to see the results of what you're investigating here. Thank
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you so much for your time. After the break, the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: battle to replace the pope gets nasty as a front
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: runner is accused of being a gambler, will cross to
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Rome with the cardinals book tonight to start working out
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: who their next Catholic.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Leader will be.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Now talking about political warfare, are we seeing that now
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: in the lobbying for a new pope?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: It's got nasty.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: In a few hours, one hundred and thirty three cardinals
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: are going to go into the papal conclave. They will
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: be shutting to the magnificent Sistine Chapel, no newspapers or
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: radios or TVs, plenty of time to stare at Michelangelo's
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: magnificent frescoes as they decide who among them will be Pope.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: The youngest cardinal there will be the Australian based Mikola Bishcock. Bishock,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: who's just forty five, who was actually born and raised
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine. And it's with the Ukrainian Church here desperately
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: worried about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. His war is
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: like jenocide of our people. But the arguing over who
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: will replace Pope Francis is a war of a different kind.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: On the one side, there are the leftis people like Francis,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: falsely advertisers, progressives, no leftis, And on the other are conservatives,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: apparently outnumbered now until now, the front runners seem to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: be Cardinal Pietro perol In, the current Secretary of State,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: almost a deputy pope, kind of left wing, and the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: even more left wing Archbishop of Manila.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagal But now.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: It's whispered that this bloke is too close to rich
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: casino owners and gambles too much himself at Macau, the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: casino's there, and parol In it said, maybe his health,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: this is so good, and he let China's communist regime
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: walk all over the church picking its own bishops.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Is he really the new broom?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of brief things that are going on,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And the conservatives are saying, well, look, it should be
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a new broom. The church under Francis, a global warming
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: preacher that was too divided. Cardinal George Pelshaw agreed with that,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and one cardinal from Germany has now said the church
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: needs a break from the Francis style, saying that is
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: his style to divide. All dictators are dividing. So there
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you go. Francis was a dictator. So really with that
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: in all happening, the next pope could be anyone, particularly
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: if they seem a healer, faithful to church dealing, teaching,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: but open to the world. And that might mean someone
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: like I'm not saying it will be, but someone like
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Corsican Cardinal Dominique Mamberti, head of the Supreme Tribunal of
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the Church. This is a man who's not chosen himself.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: If he isn't, he will be the man who will
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: eventually announce to the crowd as a Peter Square who
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: is with the words habimos parpam. We have a pope
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: joining me from Rome, sconn News correspondent Stas Butler.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Great to see you.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: So what's happening today.
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: Well, we've just had the Mass in Saint Peter's Basilica,
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: the pro Eligenda Romano Pontifice, the mass special Mass for
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: the election of the Roman pontiff that has just come
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: to a close now, and the cardinals who will be
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: electing the next pope, all one hundred and thirty three
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: of them, and the other cardinals who aren't have withdrawn.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: They are going to return.
• 35:22
  Speaker 10: To the Sistine Chapel, as you said, at around four
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: thirty PM. They'll have a moment of prayer just before entering.
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: They will enter, they'll take another vow of secrecy before
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: everyone else is ordered out with the words extra omnis
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: anyone who's not needed. Then there'll be another prayer given
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: by a senior member of the church who will remind
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: cardinals of the gravity of what the task that lies
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: before them, and before voting itself will begin. We're only
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: expecting one vote this afternoon. After that they'll be up
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: to four a day before they looking to reach that
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: two thirds majority to elect new pope. We're not expecting.
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: I don't think it's I think it's fair to say
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: a pope to be announced on this from this first vote.
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: The first vote we read is often given to a
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: kind of wide variety of candidate, signaling kind of diversity
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: in the range of respects to various cards and alls.
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: But you know, the last two conclaves have lasted two days,
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: so if we get something along the lines of that,
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: then we might be expecting a pope by Thursday or Friday.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Here, Now, what are you hearing about the lobbying?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Obviously, it's very difficult to cover because so much of
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: it is sotace. I mean by the way Mark congratulate
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: you on your let and it's spoken like a scholar,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: but you know it's behind the scenes and who knows
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: what really they are saying. But what are you actually
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: hearing about it?
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: Well, we know that there's been a lot of meetings
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: between cardinals over the past few months, even while Francis
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: was alive. It's likely that there were some kind of
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: quiet meetings discussing that, you know, his health was ailing
• 37:01
  Speaker 10: for some point at that time it was clear the
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: trajectory where things were going. There had been quiet conversations
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: in pizzerias in cafes in Rome since that point. On
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: top of those twelve congregations of cardinals that we've had
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: in just the past few days where they've been discussing
• 37:16
  Speaker 10: the future of the church, essentially engaging in sort of
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: sounding out of potential candidates among them for who could
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: be the next pope. On top of that, you've also
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: had in terms of more overt kind of influence from
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: the outside, things like President Trump's somewhat endorsement of an
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: American cardinal, something that seems unlikely the Church never elected
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: us cardinal, but also a variety of stories coming out
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: about those leading front runners, including Paroline, as you mentioned
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: and tag Lay. Paroline, according to reports original reports, fainted
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: during a meeting one of those congregations. The Vatican then
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: came out a few days later and said category that
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: that did not happen. That was seen by some of
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: Parade I mean supporters as a kind of smear against him,
• 38:03
  Speaker 10: to suggest that he's not in a good state of health.
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: So I think there's been, you know, a wide range
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: of lobbying, some of it more over, you know, in
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: these days leading up to this crucial decision where these
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: cardinals will be cut off from the outside world and
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: that lobbying will cease to matter.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, it sounds as brutal as the film Conclave
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: actually presented that if you believe in the rumors, although
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I've got to say that was a face of a movie.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: You know, all the conservatives of terrible ugly people and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the lifters are goodies.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: But anyway, so with the conclaves, though, you get locked
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: up tonight.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Is it a secretive as people say, like, no, no
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: word from outside nothing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean we've heard a lot about all the
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: measures that the Vatican has put in place. Obviously this
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: is the centuries old tradition, but it's been brought into
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: the present day with you know, devices to prevent any
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: kind of electronic communication. Cardinals are obviously sworn to secrecy
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: and ask to hand over phones and you know, smart
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: watchers and whatnot, but they're also checked for them. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: think that we've also seen staff of the Vatican, not
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: just the cardinals themselves, but the staff will be providing
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: for them, you know, medics, be they priest, be they cleaners,
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: be they cooks, to have been sworn to secrecy as well,
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: to essentially keep these cardinals cut off. I think that
• 39:24
  Speaker 10: it's probably fair to say that does you know, stay
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: in place, that there is little communication with the outside world.
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: It's worth also pointing out the cardinals are sworn not
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: to talk about what happens in conclave after the conclave
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: itself unless they're give an express permission by the Pope
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: of that time. But you know, over the years we've
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: had some information kind of leak out about what has
• 39:44
  Speaker 10: gone on, who's been the front runners, how the voting
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: has gone. So clearly that hasn't been entirely you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: impermeable as a kind of barrier. So that's kind of
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: where it stands at the moment. I reckon, we're not
• 39:56
  Speaker 10: going to get much information while things are going on,
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: but over the years to come, who knows, who knows
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: what might come out?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Mate, What it wouldn't give to where spend a couple
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: of uninterrupted days looking at the Assistine Chapel instead of
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: through a forest of iPhones held up and people yabbering away.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I mean to be fantastic. That's Butler, thank you so
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: much for that. Really appreciate your time and good luck.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: By the way, we're behind you.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Will the smoke rise when they announce with the white
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: puff of smoke, the new Pope is there?
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: That's right, Well, actually it's going to be. If you're
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: looking at the Sister, the Bitter Pasilica, it's to the
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: right of it, so it's actually just out of you
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: where I'm standing right now. But if I shoffle over
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: to the right a little bit, I'll just see that
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: chimney poking out over the right side of the pacifica
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: as I'm looking at it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Now, terrific.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Look forward to your updates over the last day, two three,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: who knows how long it'll takes.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: That's butler, Thank you so much for your time. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: still the calm.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, the liberal left is claiming, oh, our party
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: lost by being too right wing. Seriously, I'll give them
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: a fact check before they do something really stupid. Now
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say it again. It's going to be
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: a theme this year. I am sure Labour won this
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: election on lies and handouts, absolutely true, yet promise nothing
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: that will fix the real problems that we're still stuck with.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: For instance, it's sticking with its disastrous screen policies. And
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: today there came another warning what's coming holds Our power
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: prices in Southern Australia are up and your bills will
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: probably go up as well again as a result, and
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: it could get even worse fast Spain type blackouts like engineers.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: A warning because the Labour's new MP's in this election
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: many are from the Labor left and already the Labor
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Environment Action Network is the money. Even bigger cuts in
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: emissions are seventy percent cut target in ten years, and
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: that will they want much more green power, which will
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: end the disaster. Engineers like I say already warning this
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: is nuts. But in the Liberal Party more nuttiness. There
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: are really some on the left of that party are saying, oh,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: we've got to move more to the left, more like us,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: and we've got to scrap our promise of nuclear power,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: which happens to be the one way to cut emissions.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: And still keep on the lights.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of Nationals are saying, well, that's going
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: to be crazy disastrous back canav And you saw on
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the show last night Nationals leader David Little Proud, former
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Nationals leader Michael McCormick saying today, but no one I
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: thought put it better than Liberal Tim Wilson, who actually
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: beat a teal MP in Goldstein by fighting hard for
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: nuclear power with reason and with passion and fat and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: as he said today, he is not going to stop
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: doing it. I tell you this is great. This is
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the picture that should have come from the liberal top
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: in this campaign.
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: Listen, I'm not really going to get into a lot
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: of the policy discussion right now, but the one I
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: will make some simple observations. When I was last in Parliament,
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: I talked. I spoke favorably because in my course and
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: to belief, believe in the role of nuclear power, not
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: as an end but as a beginning. We talked about
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: this in our campaign launch. Nuclear power is part of
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: building the future industrial base of our country. If we
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: don't do that, then we are saying either one we're
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: going back to coal or we as a nation are
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: going to end industrialize. That is not a future I
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: am prepared to accept. I am about building out the
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: future so that the next generation can lift their eyes
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: one set higher, one angle higher, and look further into
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: the horizon. And that's why it's so important to be
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: have honest conversations with the Australian people to be part
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: of building out that future and to make the case
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: not just simply put something out there and see whether
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: it's going to be tested. We must fight vehemently, passionately,
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: with energy, with courage, because it comes from who we
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: are and what we believe and the policy we want
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: to take forward to build out an alternative vision for
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: this nation.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: How could you not with an argument if you put
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: it like that. Joining me is Rondine as in Chiefstato
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Australia and presenter on Outsiders on Sky News every Sunday
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: at nine am and host of his own show on Fridays.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: They said, m Rowan, come on, you know here you
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: got liberals now saying, oh, we've got to move to
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the left, We've got to drop our nuclear promise.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Why don't you instead try arguing like that?
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I thought Tim Wilson sounded terrific there, and we
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: didn't hear any of that sort of passion or that
• 44:44
  Speaker 12: sort of facing what you're saying in your core beliefs
• 44:47
  Speaker 12: at any point throughout the election campaign. As you were
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: saying earlier with with your guests, that so many people
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: throughout this campaign, going back to before the campaign, were going,
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: where is the great sort of conservative thinking, Where is
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: the Liberal Party of old? Where are the big ideas,
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: the big policies that are there to be an alternative
• 45:10
  Speaker 12: and opposition to the Labor Party. And the reality is
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: we were duped, And I think many people are feeling
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: quite angry and sore at the moment because they were duped.
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: After the voice, after the voice, which was a brilliant victory,
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: and it was one purely on traditional conservative lines. We
• 45:30
  Speaker 12: don't divide by race, we don't believe in these extra
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: sort of bureaucratic entities. We believe in the individual rather
• 45:38
  Speaker 12: than the collective, and so on and so on. Those
• 45:40
  Speaker 12: are core conservative beliefs. And unless you speak from unless
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: every policy you put forward Andrew can be related directly
• 45:49
  Speaker 12: back to one of those core conservative beliefs freedom of speech, expressions,
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: smaller government, free markets and so on, you can never
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: win the argument and this idea the Liberals need to.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Go further to the left.
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: Well, if that's the case, I'm sorry, Split the Liberal
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: Party down the middle, push the bed wedders off to
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: the left and they can form their own bed wetting party.
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: But we need to have in this country a political
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: party that represents what I believe to be the two
• 46:17
  Speaker 12: thirds majority of this country who believe in traditional conservative
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: Australian values. Freedom of expression, fair go, faired, the income
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: go for everybody, smaller government, the individual over the collective.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's also a basic failure of analysis.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Leave us oute the fact that if you go to.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: An argument, go to an election, and you fail to
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: put your case properly. In fact, you've seen scared of
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: your own promises. If you're scared of your own promises,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: then why shouldn't the.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Voters be scared of them too?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Running away from not debating them leave us ode all
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: that explain to me exactly what was so right wing
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: about the Liberal's basic offering, which was higher taxes, more
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: depp and you know unliberal things like we will force
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the insurance companies to divest if we don't like them.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, really, what was so right wing about this?
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: Well, the reality is, Andrew, there was not a single
• 47:19
  Speaker 12: right wing policy. You could make one of those little books,
• 47:22
  Speaker 12: you know, the right wing policies of the Liberal Party
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: at the twenty twenty five election, on every page would
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: be blank. There was not a single one. Worse than that,
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: there were very very anti liberal policies there under sixteen
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: social media ban, which was brought in by Peter Darton
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: and then pushed by the Liberal Party. Push aside the
• 47:43
  Speaker 12: arguments about that the harm social media may or may.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Not be doing to kids.
• 47:46
  Speaker 12: But this policy can only work if you introduce the
• 47:50
  Speaker 12: type of surveillance technology you were just discussing with Nicholas Riese,
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: and that makes that sort of technology mandatory for every
• 47:59
  Speaker 12: single Australian and for a Liberal Party to be pushing
• 48:03
  Speaker 12: that idea that we're going to have the most draconian
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: Chinese style surveillance system on your phone, digital technology, facial recognition, fingerprints,
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: whatever it might be, that is the only way you
• 48:15
  Speaker 12: can actually bring in that ban. On top of which
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: they were also talking about other hate speech bans on us,
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: none of which ties in with the free speech values
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: of Mensies. But above all, above and beyond every single thing,
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: Robert Menzies stood against socialism. Net zero and climate change
• 48:34
  Speaker 12: is a socialist, collectivist agenda and unless the Liberal Party
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: people share net zero and ditch powers, they will never
• 48:41
  Speaker 12: be standing up for the values of row At Menzies.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I actually went with it, but actually proposing the
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: nuclear power stations to get to net zero, and still
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: they were smashed. Rondine, thank you so much for your time.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Coming up now, Sherry Marks, and good night