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Chuck & Buck 6-17 Hour 2: One Series with Mike Sando, ABC's of the Mariners and Reckless at Breakfast. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Right up the cut. What a ball that is Messi
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Speaker 1: on the turn?
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Speaker 2: Options on his side, Lano Messi, there's your goal. There's
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Speaker 2: goal he might had the night as the World Cups
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Speaker 2: all talk, Tony cocainsall is Leno Messi, Lena Messi, first
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Speaker 2: career world come at trick.
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Speaker 1: I think Messi is Argentine. Did they speak Spanish or Portuguese?
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Speaker 1: And Argentina?
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Speaker 3: So I knew you were going to ask that, and
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Speaker 3: I was like, man, I really wish I.
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Speaker 1: Had the Spanish. I think you're right. I think Messi
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Speaker 1: is Spanish. Altove yeah, al two, it's probably Spanish for
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Speaker 1: something little turd. All right, good morning to you, seven
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Speaker 1: o'clock hour. It is Chuck and Ashley with you as
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Speaker 1: we roll into our number two on this great Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: this hump day. We got headlines coming up, and then
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Speaker 1: that will lead right into our Seahawks one series with
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Speaker 1: the great Mike Sando. Here in about sixty seconds, let's
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Speaker 1: rip through those headlines. Argentina one yesterday, their first match
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Speaker 1: of World Cup play over Algeria three to one, mess
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Speaker 1: he scored all three goals. England debuts today at one
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Speaker 1: o'clock versus Croatia. And of course we count down the
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Speaker 1: second still US Australia Friday at noon. And you can
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Speaker 1: hear that right here at Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 1: three KJR FM. College World Series. Texas and Troy eliminated yesterday,
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Speaker 1: and so then there were four West Virginia. We'll take
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Speaker 1: on North Carolina today Oklahoma versus Georgia. Oklahoma and North
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Speaker 1: Carolina in the driver's seat. West virgin and Georgia would
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Speaker 1: have to beat their opponents twice in a row in
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Speaker 1: order to advance to the finals. Seattle Mariners won last
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Speaker 1: night over the Baltimore Orioles three to one to improve
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Speaker 1: to thirty eight and thirty six on the year. By
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Speaker 1: the way, the Eighties and the Rangers both lost last night,
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Speaker 1: it was a return of cal Rally to the lineup.
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Speaker 1: He had the game winning two run single, and Logan
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Speaker 1: Gilbert pitched the best game he's pitched all season long
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Speaker 1: in a three to one win. Of course, the day
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Speaker 1: was dominated by injury news. The Mariners put Randia Rose
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Speaker 1: Arena on the il Josh Naylor was not available. Luke
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Speaker 1: Rayley was not available in the game. Kind of a
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Speaker 1: messed up situation, but the Mariners persevere last night and
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Speaker 1: they win by a final score of three to one.
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Speaker 1: Same two teams will play tonight at six forty. It'll
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Speaker 1: be George Kirby for us. It'll be Kyle Bradish for them.
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Speaker 1: The Mariners also announced yesterday Piggyback will be back for
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Speaker 1: the next three turns through the rotation. At least that
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Speaker 1: is the plan for now. US open is this week.
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Speaker 1: The NBA Draft is in six days, and the Storm
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Speaker 1: will be in Portland tonight to take on the Fire
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Speaker 1: at seven o'clock. Joining us now to talk some NFL football.
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Speaker 1: He lives it, he eats it, he drinks it, he
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Speaker 1: breathes it. It is our NFL insider from the athletic
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Speaker 1: and today he's going to go a little local on
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Speaker 1: our His his national ass is going to go local
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Speaker 1: on us, as we are going to have him most
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Speaker 1: part of our Seahawks one series. I'm Mike Sando.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, how are you.
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Speaker 1: I'm great, great to have you on. We appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mike Sando's talents are deep. They are long
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Speaker 1: and so yes, he can talk anything in the National
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Speaker 1: Football League, but I'm going to make it get specific.
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Speaker 1: In our Seahawks one series. It's one analyst breaking down
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Speaker 1: one key Seahawk player for one entire interview. Are you
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Speaker 1: ready to talk to some Cooper Cups, sir?
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Speaker 4: I am, yeah. What a what a pleasant surprise he was,
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Speaker 4: I think.
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Speaker 1: For the entire league in his career or for the
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Speaker 1: Seahawks last season.
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Speaker 4: Well though, I just thought when they signed up, I thought,
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Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, you know, is he gonna
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Speaker 4: fall off here? The injuries, all of that, and I
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Speaker 4: think he ended up being a good contributor.
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Speaker 1: Can he keep it going? He has He's not an
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Speaker 1: old man, but he has shown age. He's certainly not
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Speaker 1: the player that he was with the Rams, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of people kind of scoffed when the Seahawks signed
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Speaker 1: him to such a big contract. So can he keep
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Speaker 1: it going in your estimation or is he at or
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Speaker 1: near the wall?
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Speaker 4: Well, if dosage is the key, his usage went way
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Speaker 4: down last year, So I think that he can do
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Speaker 4: that type of a role. You know, his you know,
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Speaker 4: targets and if you were to project out his you know, yards,
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Speaker 4: over the course of a season. If you're on a
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Speaker 4: seventeen game basis, you know what was way down. But
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Speaker 4: he was I think he was important for them in
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Speaker 4: the playoffs. And when you look at their roster, it's
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Speaker 4: not like they've got a bunch of sure bets. They
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Speaker 4: have guys in the position, but they kind of need them,
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Speaker 4: don't you think, Well, they're waiting for Tory Horton to
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Speaker 4: come back, right, Yeah, Rashid Schahet has shown that he
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Speaker 4: you know, can have a role, a very different role,
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Speaker 4: and he's big on the special teams. But I don't
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Speaker 4: know that there's somebody besides you know, JSN is there,
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Speaker 4: but like they don't really have another number two.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean five hundred and ninety three yards
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Speaker 1: last year on forty seven catches doesn't feel very number two.
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Speaker 1: Wey to me, No, it's not yea for them, right.
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Speaker 4: Like he's if you look at their wide receiver catches
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Speaker 4: last season and especially in the playoffs. In the playoffs
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Speaker 4: last year, their wide receiver catches with js N seventeen
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Speaker 4: Coober fifteen, the next guy had three, okay, Rashid Shaheed
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Speaker 4: So and I'm gonna just filter it for the regular
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Speaker 4: season here, it's kind of similar. They go they go
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Speaker 4: seventeen n and ninety three yards for JSN, five ninety
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Speaker 4: three per Cup, one eighty eight for Shahed, one sixty
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Speaker 4: one for Horton. So you're hoping Horton comes back and has,
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Speaker 4: you know, shows himself to be what they want him
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Speaker 4: to be. But they don't really have anyone right who's
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Speaker 4: done it.
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Speaker 1: No, And I'm really curious because Mike Guy, I think
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Speaker 1: they're going to do more double tight ends this year
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Speaker 1: with Barner and Arroyo, and I think they're going to
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Speaker 1: use Oots if he's healthy, as a fallback, and all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're going from you're going to go
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Speaker 1: to a lot more to receiver sets than I think
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Speaker 1: that what is typical in the National Football League, and
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Speaker 1: probably three max going forward most of the time. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure there will be scenarios in which you go beyond that.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering when you have a when you
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Speaker 1: have a wide receiver one who catches one hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty passes in a year, and yet they've invested a
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Speaker 1: lot financially in both Shahed and still paying a lot
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Speaker 1: of money to Cooper Cup, So do you think they're
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Speaker 1: going to get their money's worth out of those two guys,
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Speaker 1: considering how much that they are being paid for not
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Speaker 1: being a typical number two wide Reviseich Yah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know they may not on paper get their
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Speaker 4: money's worth from it. I'm sure you're going to find
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Speaker 4: other people for that money with better production, But I
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Speaker 4: don't think it's all about that for them because of
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Speaker 4: how they're going to play. And they also shifted couple
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Speaker 4: a little bit. I think his role he was more
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Speaker 4: out of an outside receiver than he's been in the
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Speaker 4: past too in dosage. But I just don't think that
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Speaker 4: they've made a series of bets here. But I think
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Speaker 4: that those bets are almost like, you know, covering each
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Speaker 4: other as opposed to need betting on one of them
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Speaker 4: to be absolutely have the numbers as a receiver to
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Speaker 4: justify it. And I think Shahied obviously make There's a
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Speaker 4: difference on special teams, so that's a huge part of
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Speaker 4: where that investment lies.
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Speaker 1: Mike Sander was with us our NFL insider from the
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Speaker 1: athletic year. I'm all football season long with us. We'll
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Speaker 1: do it again this fall as long as Mike is
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Speaker 1: willing and today our Seahawks one Series one analyst breaking
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Speaker 1: down one key Seahawk player for one entire interview, and
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Speaker 1: our point of focus is the veteran Cooper Cup. You
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Speaker 1: mentioned Shaheed can justify his salary by being great in
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Speaker 1: the return game. How valuable can you put a value
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Speaker 1: on what Cooper Cup does as a teacher, as a presence,
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Speaker 1: as somebody that can enrich an entire roster through intangible means?
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Speaker 4: Oh? Well, it's certainly the receiver position. I think they
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Speaker 4: did that. They are putting a value on it. I
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Speaker 4: think the difference between what you think his production should
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Speaker 4: be and what they're paying for him is probably representative
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Speaker 4: of that value. And that's all you heard last season
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Speaker 4: was that, you know, the way that he works, the
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Speaker 4: way that he approaches the game was very valuable to them.
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Speaker 4: It's not that JSN and these guys don't do that too,
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Speaker 4: but I think I think having some guys like that
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Speaker 4: who've done it before at a high level and are
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Speaker 4: still good enough to play, which he was made, you know,
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Speaker 4: touchdown catch against his whole team in the playoffs, and
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Speaker 4: it showed up in some key spots. Yes, I think
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Speaker 4: that they obviously see value in that to have him
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Speaker 4: around that goes beyond his numbers, Well.
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Speaker 1: He or someone else have to step up. Do you
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Speaker 1: think defenses will adjust to jsn's success last year to
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Speaker 1: the degree that they'll force others to step up? Or
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face a mike. I mean, once you're
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver one, once you're on that top shelf,
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Speaker 1: when you're a Jerry Rice, A Jamar Chase, a Justin Jefferson,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you always catch a hundred balls in a season.
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Speaker 1: Is JSA just so special that they could repeat the
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Speaker 1: same sort of dispersement of the ball this past year
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Speaker 1: and have the same success.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, everyone knew, you know, how good he was
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Speaker 4: last year, and there wasn't a real great plan to
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Speaker 4: stop him. I think he's a very difficult matchup for
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Speaker 4: people because he's such a good all around player at
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Speaker 4: the position and he's not reliant on any one thing.
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Speaker 4: But I think he's a great technician. I think he
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Speaker 4: has better speed than, you know, than he's probably given
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Speaker 4: credit for. He's got the incredibly late hands, you know
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Speaker 4: where you kind of trick the defensive back into the
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Speaker 4: balls even arriving. As long as he has late hand
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Speaker 4: one hand goes out and you can still do that.
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Speaker 4: And then I think in today's game, you know, the
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Speaker 4: offenses do a very good job of moving people around
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Speaker 4: and getting matchups. You're not going to shut down JSM.
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Speaker 1: How valuable and have we slept on the value of
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Speaker 1: a good blocking receiver over the history of our analysis
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Speaker 1: of football, because Cooper Cup seems to excel at that
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Speaker 1: as well. And for somebody that was, you know, at
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Speaker 1: one time putting up historic numbers as a receiver, for
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Speaker 1: him to have developed that skill, I mean, I mean,
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Speaker 1: do you can you just off the top of your head, Mike,
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Speaker 1: I mean you you love the NFL more than anybody
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Speaker 1: that I know. Can you just rattle off who the
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Speaker 1: best blocking receivers are?
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean Himes Ward would be somebody who'd
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Speaker 4: kick your butt, you know, I mean, somebody who's just
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Speaker 4: a big physical presence. But I think Sean McVay there
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Speaker 4: in uh with the Rams, They've done it all the time.
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Speaker 4: Robert Woods would block, you know, Cooper Cup would block.
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Speaker 4: It's a part of the DNA of the position there
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Speaker 4: when they were running that you know, that offense he
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Speaker 4: brought there, you know, with the zone runs and stuff
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Speaker 4: which they've evolved the offense, but they I think they
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Speaker 4: still want those guys to block it. It's a mentality,
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Speaker 4: and I think the Seahawks are a mentality and play
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Speaker 4: style team. And what I mean by that is, I
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Speaker 4: tell you a conversation at the at the scout and combine,
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Speaker 4: I was in a hotel lounge, you know, having a
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Speaker 4: little breakfast, and the coaches mieling around, and I ended
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Speaker 4: up talking to a special teams coach I think, who
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Speaker 4: had come out of some league meetings about you know,
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Speaker 4: maybe it was concussions on kick returns or something, and
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Speaker 4: he goes he said something like, and it seemed like
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Speaker 4: all the plays were against the Seahawks. They're just kicking
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Speaker 4: everybody's butt, you know, on these returns. That's kind of
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Speaker 4: the mentality of the team, right. If you're gonna play
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Speaker 4: defensive line for these guys, you can't be the guy
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Speaker 4: who just shoots gaps for sacks. You play the run
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Speaker 4: in Seattle, right, Yeah, that's that's part of a DeMarcus
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Speaker 4: Lawrence all over the run when they signed him, not
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Speaker 4: just a pass thrusher. If you're gonna play special teams
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Speaker 4: for this team, you're gonna have to hit people, so
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Speaker 4: that at the combine when somebody bumps into the sandal,
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Speaker 4: they say, gow these guys are knocking people out. They
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Speaker 4: have they have a different play style. You're gonna play
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Speaker 4: wide receiver here for this team, You're gonna get after
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Speaker 4: it and block. So I think that's just very much
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Speaker 4: indicative of what got them the championship last year. And
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Speaker 4: I think the Rams are going crazy in this offseason
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Speaker 4: because they felt like they're the better team. But the
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Speaker 4: play style throughout your roster is the toughness of your team,
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Speaker 4: and somebody that Cooper Cup contributes to that in a
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Speaker 4: way that other people don't. A Prima Donna receiver doesn't too,
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Speaker 4: who has twice his numbers doesn't do that.
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Speaker 1: I love how salacious Mike Sando made all of that sound.
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Speaker 1: I was in a hotel lounge having an omelet and
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Speaker 1: talking strategy, strategy.
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Speaker 4: With coaches, you know, seeing what's going on, and they
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Speaker 4: bring up the Seahawks. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to
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Speaker 4: play the Seahawks.
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's put Cooper Cup in historic perspective because
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Speaker 1: you're one of the best at this. Cooper Cup Hall
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Speaker 1: of Famer.
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Speaker 4: Hate, I hate it when you say that type of thing,
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Speaker 4: because if I say I don't know, Sando says he's
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Speaker 4: not a Hall of Famer. I don't know that he
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Speaker 4: has a stacked seasons of the numbered. I think he'll
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Speaker 4: have more of a nuanced case where you have to
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Speaker 4: talk about the whole package, the big moments, the blocking
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Speaker 4: and all of that. And so far, I don't know
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Speaker 4: that we've seen that hines Ward's not in. It doesn't
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Speaker 4: have great momentum for it. So all of us who
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Speaker 4: you know, do this, And if I knew you're gonna
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Speaker 4: ask me that, I would just be compare his production
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Speaker 4: to the guys who've gotten in. And then also, look
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Speaker 4: at what have we been talking about the last couple
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Speaker 4: of years who didn't get in, right, it's harder to
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Speaker 4: get in. So he has had two seasons of a
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Speaker 4: thousand yards, one of them was historic nineteen hundred. But
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Speaker 4: you're gonna have a hard time in this current era
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Speaker 4: finding guys to go into Hall of Fame with, you know,
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Speaker 4: one pro BOWLT wide receiver and two one thousand yard seasons.
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Speaker 1: Well, I am gobsmacked by the way, because not only
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Speaker 1: did I think that you would love that question, turns
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Speaker 1: out you hated that.
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Speaker 4: Question, Well, I like it now that I looked at it,
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Speaker 4: but you know, I haven't even look at it, yeah,
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Speaker 4: to see.
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Speaker 1: Well, how much does it matter to have maybe the
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Speaker 1: greatest single receiving season of all time in twenty twenty one?
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Speaker 1: That is that a separator when you guys chop it
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Speaker 1: up for Hall of Fame credentials? Can one season be
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Speaker 1: so spectacular that it can color it in a more
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Speaker 1: vibrant way?
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Speaker 4: I think if it's with some other seasons that are
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Speaker 4: somewhat close, you know, but you know, so for in
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Speaker 4: Cooper Cup, he had nineteen hundred and forty seven yards
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, and then his next best year's
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Speaker 4: eleven sixty one, then nineteen seventy four. So I think
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Speaker 4: he's gonna go down as a really key contributor and
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Speaker 4: somebody who had a great career. But the consistency of
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Speaker 4: playing full seasons being the number one receiver and then
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Speaker 4: being I think it hurts you know too, if you're
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Speaker 4: not if you're not physically imposing like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 4: we got to how we're going to match up with
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Speaker 4: this guy this week, then the numbers for the get
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Speaker 4: be there, right, So just do this like Tory Holt
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Speaker 4: hasn't gotten in yet. Compare the production, right, Tory Holt's
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Speaker 4: like ten seasons of eleven hundred yards or something, right,
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Speaker 4: and Cooper cups at two. So I think it would
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Speaker 4: be a tough one, tough case to make for that level.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, still not bad for a kid from Yakama, Washington.
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Speaker 4: Not bad outstanding, and he's still going uh huh.
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Speaker 1: And I would think he's probably nearing the end though.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I know you're not in his head,
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Speaker 1: but if Cooper Cup could, you know, wrap this thing
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Speaker 1: up with back to back Super Bowl championships, do you
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Speaker 1: think that's about as good a way as you can
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Speaker 1: ride off into the sunset in the National All amazing?
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Speaker 4: I don't know, though, I mean, I think he'll try
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Speaker 4: to go as long as he can. He surprised me
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Speaker 4: so far, I thought, you know, and I think the
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Speaker 4: Rams gave the impression. But you know too, I think
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Speaker 4: Cooper would say that that he was near at the end.
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Speaker 4: That he was, but it was really important for him
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Speaker 4: last year to be used about they're not sending them
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Speaker 4: out there and wearing them out right. So in this
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Speaker 4: type of a role. I think he could do this longer.
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Speaker 1: And then a coach. Right, seems that he said he
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Speaker 1: wants to be a coach. It just seems like he's
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Speaker 1: already doing it. It seems like he already loves doing it.
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Speaker 1: So why wouldn't you make that?
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Speaker 4: Tell you about let me tell you about what how
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Speaker 4: the coaching thing works, so that he goes, you want
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Speaker 4: to pay me.
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Speaker 1: What to work? How many hours?
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Speaker 4: So right now the NFL players work about thirty nine
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Speaker 4: hours a week, you know, during the season. Yeah, and
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Speaker 4: then on top of that, whatever film you know we
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Speaker 4: put in on top. But I'm sure Cooper Cup is
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Speaker 4: important it, so you can just pretty much double that
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Speaker 4: and then instead of making whatever Cooper Cup's making this year,
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Speaker 4: what's his salary this year?
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Speaker 1: What sev.
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Speaker 4: Seventeen million? They say, hey, Cooper, we do have a
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Speaker 4: role here. We can start you out at you know,
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Speaker 4: one seventy five hundred and seventy five. Is that so
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Speaker 4: good to you? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 4: I can remember. This was funny. I want to be
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Speaker 4: actually first covered.
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Speaker 1: Can I get on that coaches if he doesn't want it?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just all relative, right, So I
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Speaker 4: remember when Howard Ballard was the right tackle of the Seahawks.
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Speaker 4: He played for Buffalo and then they signed him this
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Speaker 4: big free agent deal. He wanted to coach the offensive line,
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Speaker 4: and when do you find out how much it paid?
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Speaker 4: He didn't really want to coach the offensive line. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's just a hard thing. So maybe for the love
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Speaker 4: of the game, but would be pretty special.
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Speaker 1: You should try talking them into a radio career.
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Speaker 4: No doubt about it. Yeah, no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: But the sticker shock there is quite the.
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Speaker 4: Seventy five sounds great unless he's been making seventeen million, right,
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Speaker 4: but it doesn't sound as good.
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Speaker 1: That's true. All right, Well, are you going to take
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Speaker 1: any time away from football or on your vacation summer vacations?
18:52
Speaker 1: Do you still just think about full Yeah?
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Speaker 4: No, no, I'll definitely take some time, you know, in July,
18:59
Speaker 4: the first couple of two three weeks of July, pretty
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Speaker 4: much on vacation right now. I'm you know, battling a
19:05
Speaker 4: little bit of a cold here and get some projects done.
19:08
Speaker 4: We have quarterback tears going and plenty of stuff to
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Speaker 4: keep you busy. And made some trips you know, with
19:13
Speaker 4: good teams, so very good. Was out of Seahawks recently,
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Speaker 4: so it's all all good.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you for joining us. That was fun. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: do like that. So we left off of the letter
20:00
Speaker 1: D yesterday and D is for Dumper. He makes his
20:04
Speaker 1: return last night and triumphantly, not just a win, he
20:08
Speaker 1: was also the guy responsible for the game winning hit.
20:13
Speaker 1: I thought he looked much more comfortable and confident at
20:17
Speaker 1: the plate than last we saw him. I know, he
20:19
Speaker 1: only had one hit on the day, but he worked
20:21
Speaker 1: a walk, He put everything in play last night, and
20:25
Speaker 1: then he does come through with the big hit in
20:27
Speaker 1: the big moment, which is what we're used to seeing
20:30
Speaker 1: out of cal Raleigh. And then, of course, most importantly,
20:34
Speaker 1: you might argue as a catcher what he did for
20:39
Speaker 1: Logan Gilbert last night. Look, Logan has been ramping up
20:41
Speaker 1: to this point. He's been getting better with each outing
20:44
Speaker 1: and I think that he does like throwing to Johnny
20:46
Speaker 1: Pieda and Mitch Garver, but it's just a different ballgame.
20:49
Speaker 1: These two just know each other so well. And I
20:52
Speaker 1: think that we talked about what kind of lift cal
20:55
Speaker 1: Raleigh could give to this team just by his mere presence.
20:58
Speaker 1: Ryan Healy told us yesterday, it means everything to this team.
21:02
Speaker 1: That was his answer. Everything. That's what it means to
21:06
Speaker 1: this team to have cal Raley back. Well, I certainly
21:09
Speaker 1: think it means a lot for Logan Gilbert to have
21:11
Speaker 1: his buddy back.
21:12
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I mean you could even hear it
21:14
Speaker 3: in his postgame comments. I mean he was lighthearted and
21:18
Speaker 3: fun and laughing, and the two were able to give
21:21
Speaker 3: each other like the little ribbings even end game, which
21:24
Speaker 3: I think is important, especially in a you know, where
21:26
Speaker 3: every pitch is such a big deal, you know, and
21:30
Speaker 3: everything's going you need everything to go smoothly, and sometimes
21:34
Speaker 3: you get a little stressed out and to have that
21:36
Speaker 3: person that can lighten it for you real quick too
21:39
Speaker 3: is important.
21:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he almost plunked him as well on his
21:42
Speaker 1: first day back. Think he forgot that Logan likes to
21:45
Speaker 1: take little walks. Yeah, so it's like tick them off.
21:48
Speaker 1: It wasn't really paying attention. I mean, he didn't want
21:51
Speaker 1: to hit him in the face, but as long as
21:55
Speaker 1: it didn't hurt him, I think he would have got
21:57
Speaker 1: a laugh out of it. George did. Yeah, I got
22:00
Speaker 1: a big laugh out of it last night, and the
22:03
Speaker 1: two of them got a laugh out out of it afterwards.
22:06
Speaker 1: Logan said, well, that just shows you how inaccurate a
22:09
Speaker 1: thrower he is, to which Cal responded, I don't know
22:13
Speaker 1: how I missed your big head. So yeah, good to
22:16
Speaker 1: have those two back together. And so the dumper just
22:19
Speaker 1: he just brings so much and frankly, as Ryan and
22:23
Speaker 1: I talked about, he does look different as a hitter.
22:26
Speaker 1: The whole approach looks different. He does look more on time.
22:30
Speaker 1: I know he had the check swing, and believe me,
22:32
Speaker 1: he wants that back, but just the confidence at three
22:35
Speaker 1: and oh, I mean he tried to hit a ball
22:37
Speaker 1: one thousand feet last night. He took maybe the most
22:41
Speaker 1: aggressive swing that I've ever seen him take last night
22:45
Speaker 1: on three and oh, and I was glad he got
22:47
Speaker 1: the green light. Been foolish not to give him the
22:49
Speaker 1: green light in that situation. But he also swung at
22:51
Speaker 1: like two pitches outside of the strike zone before he said,
22:54
Speaker 1: you know what, a walk's fine here, and he eventually
22:57
Speaker 1: took the walk. So great to see him back despite
22:59
Speaker 1: all the the things that were going on last night.
23:03
Speaker 1: Great to see him back. He is for Everett, and yes,
23:07
Speaker 1: the short ride from Everett for Curtis Washington was all
23:11
Speaker 1: the Mariners could pull off yesterday. Tacamo's out of town,
23:15
Speaker 1: which is something I should have brought up in our
23:17
Speaker 1: first segment. The Rainiers were not in town so at
23:22
Speaker 1: the time that they had to make a decision on
23:25
Speaker 1: Randy A. Rose Arena, and we don't have a bench player.
23:29
Speaker 1: The best they could do was get someone in their
23:33
Speaker 1: organization from the nearest ball field and that was Everett Washington.
23:38
Speaker 1: So Curtis Washington Junior makes the trip with traffic, gets
23:42
Speaker 1: there in the fifth inning, and I'm gonna tell you something.
23:45
Speaker 1: I mean, it was great to see how excited he
23:48
Speaker 1: was and see him in his Mariner uniform, and he's
23:50
Speaker 1: got a great story to tell. But there's a sad
23:53
Speaker 1: component of this as well. That might have been his
23:56
Speaker 1: major league career. Well, we watched last night him sing
24:00
Speaker 1: to Everett to put on the uniform and sit on
24:02
Speaker 1: the bench and be welcomed by major leaguers in a
24:07
Speaker 1: big league ballpark. He's a twenty six year old hitting
24:11
Speaker 1: one ninety at high A. I mean, the future does
24:14
Speaker 1: not look real bright for Curtis Washington. So I don't
24:18
Speaker 1: know if he'll ever get another at bat. I mean,
24:20
Speaker 1: Connor Joe's going to be activated today. I don't know.
24:23
Speaker 1: Maybe they keep him on the roster for another day
24:25
Speaker 1: or two. We'll see, but that's probably it for him.
24:30
Speaker 1: That's probably the story he's going to tell his grand
24:33
Speaker 1: children about his major league experience. So I'm glad that
24:37
Speaker 1: he got that. But what a crazy side story sidebar
24:40
Speaker 1: to last night's game.
24:41
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and that just tells you too, how in
24:44
Speaker 3: a pinch they were because the fastest you could get
24:46
Speaker 3: someone there from thirty miles north was five innings into
24:50
Speaker 3: the game.
24:50
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
24:51
Speaker 3: So, I mean imagine if Everett had been gone, then
24:54
Speaker 3: what if everyone was out of town unless maybe they
24:57
Speaker 3: I wonder if they do that strategically, keep make sure
24:59
Speaker 3: one teams always in town.
25:01
Speaker 1: Well, it's one of those I mean, if you knew
25:05
Speaker 1: a guy playing like because really he was brought in
25:09
Speaker 1: if we have another injury in the game, we need
25:12
Speaker 1: somebody that can run bases and catch a baseball. Yep,
25:15
Speaker 1: you know. I think your buddy Alex pointed out it's
25:17
Speaker 1: kind of the equivalent of when the hockey goalie goes
25:20
Speaker 1: down on the road, the backup and then you just
25:22
Speaker 1: pick up somebody who on the local team to knows
25:26
Speaker 1: how the equipment goes on, right, you know that sort
25:29
Speaker 1: of thing. And so that's the version, the baseball version
25:33
Speaker 1: of that last night. Now you want to criticize them
25:36
Speaker 1: for they had a day and a half to kind
25:39
Speaker 1: of evaluate everybody. I know they wanted to give those
25:42
Speaker 1: players a day and a half to you know, recover
25:46
Speaker 1: from the weekend and the injuries. But to be that
25:50
Speaker 1: caught off guard yesterday afternoon when you knew how many
25:54
Speaker 1: guys were injured and then have to scramble that way.
25:58
Speaker 1: Probably probably little careless, right, I mean, I don't know
26:02
Speaker 1: if I can defend that. I can appreciate the position
26:05
Speaker 1: that they were in and what they had to do
26:07
Speaker 1: in order to get a team on the field last night,
26:11
Speaker 1: but pretty careless. You had a whole day off to
26:13
Speaker 1: kind of figure out whether or not Randy's injury was
26:16
Speaker 1: more serious than it actually more serious than we thought
26:20
Speaker 1: that it was.
26:21
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean we criticized them when they called
26:23
Speaker 3: up cold Emerson because it happened just last minute and
26:26
Speaker 3: he had to race from Tacoma in traffic to get
26:29
Speaker 3: there before the game started, because it was was it
26:32
Speaker 3: that when Donovan went out went onto the IL. Yeah,
26:35
Speaker 3: and and they'd known, I mean they didn't it was
26:38
Speaker 3: a Saturday afternoon game or something, and then the Sunday
26:41
Speaker 3: when night game was when he was playing, and it wasn't.
26:44
Speaker 3: They didn't give enough time then either. So this isn't
26:46
Speaker 3: the first time that it's been like, ooh, let's wait
26:48
Speaker 3: till the last minute to designate someone to the IL.
26:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I don't know the behind the scenes stuff
26:55
Speaker 1: might not be fair. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they
26:57
Speaker 1: did cover all of their basis and Randy's injury took
27:00
Speaker 1: a turn. I don't know. Maybe they thought Naylor was
27:02
Speaker 1: going to be I mean, the days reporting began with
27:06
Speaker 1: Ryan and this was just a few hours before we
27:10
Speaker 1: found out he was going on the IL, like an
27:12
Speaker 1: hour or two before saying that he might be available
27:15
Speaker 1: off the bench last night. That's how the reporting started.
27:19
Speaker 1: And then within a couple of hours he's going on
27:22
Speaker 1: the IL. And not only is Naylor not available, why
27:26
Speaker 1: is Naylor not in the lineup? Oh yeah, yeah, the
27:29
Speaker 1: shin and the wrist and whatever else has got going on.
27:31
Speaker 1: All right, I understand that, but why is Rayley not
27:34
Speaker 1: playing first base? And then we find out Rayley got
27:38
Speaker 1: banged up as well during the weekend. So, I mean,
27:41
Speaker 1: Hollander said it himself, I've never seen anything like it
27:44
Speaker 1: in all my time in baseball at the position player
27:46
Speaker 1: having to scramble like this to try to find healthy
27:48
Speaker 1: guys to put a team on the field. But that's
27:50
Speaker 1: what they went through last night. Yeah, it is crazy.
27:52
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Little League when everybody has something
27:56
Speaker 3: going like a school concert, and you can't put together
27:58
Speaker 3: a game.
27:59
Speaker 1: That's basically what I hope Randy wasn't put on the
28:02
Speaker 1: il because this kid had a school concert. All right. Finally,
28:06
Speaker 1: f is for the five man rotation. It is back,
28:10
Speaker 1: but a little unlike any kind of five man rotation
28:14
Speaker 1: we've ever heard about. We're going to talk about it
28:16
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29:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go watch the game and actually go
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Speaker 1: US open previews finally coming up at eight o'clock with
29:20
Speaker 1: Brady Cannon, who always joins us for every major here
29:23
Speaker 1: on Chuck and Buck. But let's talk about the Mariner's decisions,
29:27
Speaker 1: because there's just this element, let's just face it, when
29:31
Speaker 1: it comes to baseball. I don't know why. It's baseball
29:33
Speaker 1: more so than anything else. The moment the Mariners do
29:36
Speaker 1: something pretty much, you go to social media and everybody
29:39
Speaker 1: that hates it. It's just the dumbest idea that has
29:42
Speaker 1: ever come up with. So I'm going to just tick
29:44
Speaker 1: off a few things here quickly and reckless at breakfast.
29:47
Speaker 1: So Parada gets sent down, when Cal comes back and
29:52
Speaker 1: Mitch Garvers stays on the team. This is the right decision.
29:56
Speaker 1: Now I realize that they put themselves painting themselves in
29:59
Speaker 1: a box yesterday. I don't know how that happened again.
30:01
Speaker 1: I'll explain that again. I don't know how you ended
30:04
Speaker 1: up with only one bench player last night. I don't
30:07
Speaker 1: know how you misread the room that much on just
30:09
Speaker 1: how injured your players were. But you'd already committed to
30:13
Speaker 1: some guys like Wisdom and Parada and things like that,
30:16
Speaker 1: and so they were already gone, they had already been declared,
30:19
Speaker 1: and it ten. You can't just immediately bring them back
30:21
Speaker 1: once you've put them on the ten DAYIL or sent
30:24
Speaker 1: them down to the minors, or whatever the case might be.
30:27
Speaker 1: So it's the right decision, just fundamentally, it's the right decision.
30:31
Speaker 1: You have options on Parada, you keep Garber because you
30:35
Speaker 1: don't have options on Garver, and Garver actually has the
30:39
Speaker 1: better long term relationship with the rest of the pitchers.
30:42
Speaker 1: So this is your only way to keep all three
30:44
Speaker 1: of them now in the organization. Now, the reason you
30:47
Speaker 1: can't keep all three of them on the roster is
30:50
Speaker 1: because you have positional needs and you certainly need flexibility.
30:55
Speaker 1: Parade and Garver can't play another position. Johnny Parada certainly
30:58
Speaker 1: can't play another position, and so you were not going
31:02
Speaker 1: to keep three catchers on a roster when you're not
31:05
Speaker 1: using one of them as the DH at that point
31:09
Speaker 1: because you're going to need a rest nighter. Because he
31:11
Speaker 1: can actually play outfield. He can pinch hit, he can
31:13
Speaker 1: pinch run. There are things that he can do even
31:16
Speaker 1: though he hasn't hit the ball all that well. So
31:18
Speaker 1: it was the right decision to make by the organization.
31:22
Speaker 1: I know people are up in arms about Ryan Bliss
31:24
Speaker 1: because we watched him make two really big plays in
31:27
Speaker 1: the game before he was sent back down to the
31:30
Speaker 1: miners to make room for Master Bony. Well, last night
31:33
Speaker 1: you got to see how valuable Master Bony can be.
31:36
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Ryan Bliss could pick up first base
31:39
Speaker 1: right before the game begins and lock down that position.
31:43
Speaker 1: Master Boney was able to do it last night. He
31:45
Speaker 1: also laid down one of the most beautiful bunts you've
31:47
Speaker 1: ever seen. I like Ryan Bliss. He is a wonderful person,
31:51
Speaker 1: and he obviously brings something to a baseball field because
31:54
Speaker 1: of how quick he is and how good he plays
31:56
Speaker 1: second base defensively. That guy can't hit a fastball. We're
32:00
Speaker 1: not going to have a long career in Major League
32:02
Speaker 1: baseball until you figure out how to hit a fastball.
32:05
Speaker 1: He had not he wasn't even hitting in Tacoma when
32:07
Speaker 1: he got called up to us, and he certainly didn't
32:10
Speaker 1: hit while he was in a Mariner uniform. But he
32:12
Speaker 1: does do a lot of little things that help you
32:14
Speaker 1: win games, and he proved that in his last game
32:17
Speaker 1: in a Mariner uniform. But Master Bonie brings more to
32:21
Speaker 1: the table than what Ryan Bliss does right now, and
32:24
Speaker 1: that's why they made the right decision in going with
32:27
Speaker 1: Master Bony over Bliss. Yeah, and that does make sense.
32:30
Speaker 3: But it was disheartening to see two great games from
32:34
Speaker 3: Bliss and then have him sent down right after.
32:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:36
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I mean you feel bad for the guy, like, oh,
32:38
Speaker 3: what's the guy gotta do?
32:39
Speaker 1: Well, sure, but you've still got to make the best
32:41
Speaker 1: baseball decision. So that's their job, and Master Boney is
32:44
Speaker 1: the better baseball decision. So they're not going to make
32:47
Speaker 1: things out of emotion saying yeah, well kind of you were.
32:52
Speaker 3: No, Well, I was just saying it like I felt bad.
32:56
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying they should have made it.
32:57
Speaker 3: I'm saying it's disheartening to watch a guy do that
33:00
Speaker 3: and then get sent down, not that the Mariners should
33:02
Speaker 3: have made that move that way.
33:03
Speaker 1: Also, criticism of the trainers and the medical staff. Mariners, trainers,
33:07
Speaker 1: and medical staff are really well regarded, and they do
33:12
Speaker 1: it actually a really tremendous job. I don't know what
33:15
Speaker 1: you can do When Josh Naylor fouls a ball off
33:17
Speaker 1: his shin, I don't know what a training staff can
33:19
Speaker 1: do with that. A Rosarina and Donovan hit a ball,
33:22
Speaker 1: hit the bag really hard, that's going to happen. I
33:26
Speaker 1: wish the bags were softer. I'd like to see the
33:28
Speaker 1: extension like they use in college, so that we don't
33:31
Speaker 1: see this happen as regularly as we do. But that's
33:35
Speaker 1: where we're at. I mean, Bucky hates the idea of
33:37
Speaker 1: extending that, but then again, Bucky hated all ideas for
33:41
Speaker 1: change in baseball. So maybe that would help if they
33:46
Speaker 1: softened the bags and made them bigger at first base,
33:48
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't have that. But I don't know what
33:49
Speaker 1: a training staff can do. When a guy who's had
33:52
Speaker 1: a core injury lands that awkwardly and that hard on
33:56
Speaker 1: first base and suffers an injury from it, it's going
33:59
Speaker 1: to take some time to recover from it. So let's
34:01
Speaker 1: not beat up on the training and the medical staff.
34:03
Speaker 1: If you want an argument used, the argument against the
34:06
Speaker 1: Mariners why they didn't have better intel on an off
34:09
Speaker 1: day about just how injured their guys were. And maybe
34:12
Speaker 1: they don't even receive blame for that. I don't know,
34:16
Speaker 1: because I don't know all the inner workings to that.
34:18
Speaker 1: And then the Piggyback and people at a field day
34:21
Speaker 1: yesterday destroying the return of the Piggyback. I don't know
34:25
Speaker 1: what to tell you. The results were so much better
34:29
Speaker 1: than what I think. A lot of people just got
34:32
Speaker 1: in their heads that the piggyback stinks and it's dumb,
34:35
Speaker 1: and because it's different and everything else, and that because
34:38
Speaker 1: the first game Andres Munjos blew a lead in the ninth, Yeah,
34:42
Speaker 1: I guess that got in your head. But there were
34:46
Speaker 1: so many more positive things that came out of the
34:48
Speaker 1: Piggyback than negative things. And I don't trust Dan Wilson
34:54
Speaker 1: to manage a bullpen. He needs the fifth day to
35:00
Speaker 1: not have to make any decisions to help him on
35:03
Speaker 1: the other four days. What destroyed our bullpen was the
35:06
Speaker 1: six man rotation. By halfway through the first run of
35:11
Speaker 1: the six man rotation, we were out of relief pitchers.
35:14
Speaker 1: We had to go two days without relief pitchers and
35:18
Speaker 1: had close games that we didn't even try to come
35:21
Speaker 1: back in because we didn't have any bullpen because the
35:24
Speaker 1: six man rotation created that many problems for Dan Wilson
35:28
Speaker 1: and the bullpen. So we need to get back to
35:31
Speaker 1: a five man rotation. And the last time we did
35:34
Speaker 1: the pickyback, far more good came out of it than bad.
35:38
Speaker 1: I'm glad it's back and I'm looking forward to seeing
35:42
Speaker 1: its results going forward. All Right, I'd like to spend
35:45
Speaker 1: more time on that, but coming up next, Brady Cannon
35:47
Speaker 1: will join his sports radio ninety three point three KJRFM