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DDH- Operation Vengeance · Plausibly Live - The Dave Bowman Show Podcast

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I gave way to your own past if you wish.
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After two, pans crushing, defeat Midway and Guadalcanal.
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Admiral Yamamoto, the Strategic Mastermind behind the infamous
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attacked Pearl Harbor planet or Frontline base to restore
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flagging, American codebreakers intercept, the message which
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included explicit detail to Yamamoto schedule plan to
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intercept. History, strange is alien and it
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won't give us what we would like to have.
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Welcome to our three of Bill make live on this.
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Tuesday, the 18th day of April 20 23, nice to have you along
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And of course the iHeartRadio app, wherever you may be
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listening, appreciate you taking the time spent with us here on
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wmm. Be if it's Tuesday, it's Dave,
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does history on Bill make live, Dave Bowman joins us from
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Silverdale Washington in. There are links to Dave's Other
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podcasts and his history bibliography at.
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Bill mc.com on the show page today, which is entitled.
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Ai and life, you missed any of that conversation in our first
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two hours, you can always pick. Bill, make live up on demand on
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the bill make live, I heart radio channel and the podcast
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section of Bill mc.com. Dave Bowman, how are you?
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My friend, I'm concerned bill. I mean, all this AI stuff.
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Can you imagine what happens to history once, AI, gets ahold of
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it. Well did probably the same thing
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that happens once Hollywood gets all done.
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Right? Well, that's true.
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It's that is also true. It could be that.
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What's going on in Dave's World man, it's good to have you back
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two weeks in a row and that's good.
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Yeah it's good that we're getting stronger getting getting
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better as time goes by. So I thought I would start this
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morning. I got a question on the text
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machine from last week's show and for those of you that are
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wondering, usually the best way to get ahold of me as by text.
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2009. 5653 283. I do have an email address
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David, the Dave Bowman show, but I hardly use it.
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So it's I don't redeem and they've an email, he doesn't
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read an email, that's just how it works.
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Yeah, I'm I'm opposed to email generally speaking.
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So question from last week, she'll about the, the loss of
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the thresher. Hey Dave, listening to your
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latest ddh about the thresher. Are you saying the loss of the
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thresher was due to the poor condition of the ship having?
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Subjected to extreme tests and not properly repair, loss of The
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Thrasher is credited with the creation of the sub.
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Safe program seems like this is much more complicated than a.
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Yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying.
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The, the thresher was not ready for see.
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The shipyards were focused on the ballistic missile submarines
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at the time, which was the national priority.
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There are reams of documents complaining about the fact that
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she had not been properly maintained or repaired.
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But that's what Sailors do they go to see when they're told to?
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And this was a case where things went wrong really quickly.
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As far as the sub Safe program goes sub, Safe program did come
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out of the loss of the thresher and this was the idea that we do
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extra stuff for submarines to make sure that they're safe.
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But it's a program it's a paper paper trail.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that things have actually been done.
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In fact, five years later when Scorpion goes down, depending on
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which side of the argument, you're on.
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She was she was either sunk by the Russians or she was in such
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horrific shape that she was, you know, depth limited to like 150
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feet because she was not sub safe and she was not well
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maintained. So yeah, all that came out about
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a commander that's pencil whipping.
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The paperwork you're saying, it's ready.
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And when it's not, I mean, I've seen pencil whip commanders and
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that's done. Necessarily a good thing.
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I don't think any of these guys were I mean they made it clear
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what their complaints were. It's all right there in the
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reports but, you know, it was a different time.
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Bill, the Cold War was at its height and National Defense was
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seen in a priority that it's not seen today, although it should
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be and things were rushed. And we're seeing a lot of the
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same problems. Now, with our shipyards and
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maintenance of ships is starting to become very shoddy in my
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opinion. Training is not good.
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And, you know, we saw an incident last fall and in San
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Diego, we're two ships. Almost ran into each other in
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the San Diego Harbor. I mean, how the hell does that
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happen? But anyway, just because you say
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you have a program doesn't mean that it's actually doing
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anything, it just means that you say you have a program and
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there's an old Civil Service saying that goes like this, the
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less you intend to do about something, the more you have to
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talk about it. So yeah, there you go.
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And that's that's kind of the way of things.
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Very good. We get to Dave does history when
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we continue in just one minute here on Bill Mick live, Dave
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does history on Bill make live day Bowman.
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Where we going today? April, 18th is one of those
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dates that I call a Nexus date. It's one of those dates where
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things in history. Just seemed to happen, April
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18th and especially that that overnight period, April 18th.
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April 19th depending on which side of the International Date
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Line you're on. This is one of those days bill,
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that history happens and it has the benefit of being tax day
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today. So there you go.
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Well yeah, I don't know if that's a benefit or not.
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Already got my return, so many people that want to wait that
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why do we fall? $44 back so wow what can you do?
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Well I mean it's more than I've gotten back in the last 10 years
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that there you got on this date and 796.
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One of my favorite people in history, English king by the
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name of ethelred was killed and replaced by some other folks.
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It really isn't meaningful to anybody except that.
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I love the name ethelred if I was naming my son.
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Again I might reconsider there was there's a whole series and
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there's a whole series. Of ethelred's, including the
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best one, which is a guy by the name of ethelred the unready.
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Okay. She's, which is a
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misinterpretation of his name, which is actually ethelred the
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stupid. But if there's a Monty Python
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skit in that somewhere, there really is.
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In 1521. Martin Luther was on trial to be
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for heresy, you know, for nailing his Theses and 1689
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something. Most people don't know about the
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city of Boston rebelled against the British Governor.
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They they were ready to go to war in 1618 Nine because this
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guy was such a jerk and maybe someday in the future, we'll
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talk about that. Of course, it's this night that
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the British moves, begin that, Paul Revere rides to warn
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everyone that the British are coming, the British are coming
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in 1783 long before The Constitution.
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The Three-Fifths Compromise comes into play as part of the
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Articles of Confederation. So when somebody tells you that
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that that was, you know, the Constitution people were pro
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slavery. It was long before that. 18:47
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the Battle of Cerro Gordo which is not well known to most
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Americans, but it's this battle that actually leads to the
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direct American invasion of Mexico in the war the
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Mexican-American war, or she mentioned earlier the 1906 San
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Francisco earthquake, right? Probably the best one in 1930,
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the BBC, went on the air, and reported quote, there is no news
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today unquote and proceeded to play music for the next hour.
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Speaking of Monty Python, there you Have it. 1942 was the
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Doolittle. Raid on England on Japan, which
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set off a whole series of events 1954 NASA.
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Nasser seizes power and in age but today I want to focus on
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1953 which is I'm sorry 1943 it would have been really easy to
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go with you know the British in the Revolutionary War and Paul
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Revere and of course the Doolittle Raid but there's a
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little-known thing that On this day in 1943, that I think is
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important for us to understand because it is the epitome of
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what America really accomplished during the second world war,
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when the Doolittle Raid happened course, this set off Yamamoto
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your escucho Yamamoto. The Japanese Admiral decided at
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that point to capture the Midway Island.
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Because he wanted to protect Japan and of course that led to
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the Battle of Midway which was an American intelligence coup,
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we broke their codes. We were reading all this stuff.
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We knew what was coming and we were able to essentially Ambush
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the Japanese at the Battle of Midway sink for aircraft
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carriers lost one of our lost one of our own.
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But literally shattered, the, the offensive capability of the
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He's Navy at the Battle of Midway.
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This was followed by and we've talked about the Battle of
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Guadalcanal. The Guadalcanal Campaign, which
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took six to eight months, which was a an attrition fight with
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the Japanese kept trying to reinforce.
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We kept trying to reinforce, it was all kinds of heavy fighting.
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And it's really, it's the Marines, I mean, one of their
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greatest hours when that was over though, and the Japanese
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had a had, finally, Evacuated Guadalcanal, their morale was at
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a dead low. Now we don't think of the
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Japanese soldiers out way. We tend to think of them as
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very, you know, code of Bushido, Bonsai kind of thing.
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But the truth was they were beaten and they were really
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depressed, they were hungry. They had been evacuated.
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Some of them, you know, not survived and morale was at an
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all-time low for the Japanese Army and the Japanese Navy in in
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early 1943, your escucho Yamamoto who was the commander
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of the Japanese Navy was well, known to Americans.
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He had been The Mastermind of the Pearl, Harbor attack and
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educated in the United States. And was usually seen on such as
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soft on America, but he wasn't will tell you more about that
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coming up after the break. Good to have you along as Dave.
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Does history on Bill make live, will let you in with comments in
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our final segment of the hour, we've got all this to get
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through with our weekly, dive into history with a look at what
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it does for us today. And if we fail to learn it, hey,
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I may just teach us something completely different as we
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discussed in our first two hours, this morning, glad to
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have you with us on a Tuesday. On Bill make live course.
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Anything you missed in the podcast section and build mc.com
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and the bill make live, I heart radio channel, 5 grand, Up for
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What we do every Tuesday on Bill, Mick live, and we're in
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the middle of April, the 18th of 1943, Dave Bowman with us from
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Silverdale Washington, getting up bright and early for us.
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Every Tuesday here. All right, Dave, where we at
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man? Wait, do I have a brand now?
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You do? Yeah I didn't even know that.
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Yeah that's our that's always got Victor Lyle in the three
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marketing genius that didn't tell me what was going on.
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So uh you work some blood light. Someone we left you things are
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not going well for the Japanese empire during the second world
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war. But bye-bye early 1943
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strategically the the issue is still in doubt.
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Now in a real sense it's not because the United States is
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just starting to bring its industrial power into this but
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but tactically the issue is still really in doubt and the
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Japanese Army and the Japanese Navy are just their morale is
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just at rock-bottom they've been beaten at Midway They've been
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beaten on Guadalcanal. The United States is becoming
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more and more aggressive getting newer and newer weapons
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including the F4U Corsair airplane.
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You know, the Pappy Boyington and the Black Sheep Squadron and
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another plane called the P-38 Lightning, which they just hate
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that plane because that plane the devil's cross is what they
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call it. It, it's so good that it just
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scares the living crap out of there.
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Pilots. I mean, they don't, they're
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getting worried about things and morale is at an absolute bottom.
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So are escucho Yamamoto. The commander of the Japanese
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Navy. Who is Again, The Mastermind of
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the Pearl, Harbor attack, he's educated in the United States.
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He seen history tends to see him as soft on the United States
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because because of his one comment after Pearl Harbor.
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I fear. We've just awakened a sleeping
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giant. But reality is much different.
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He is very aggressive, very tough.
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And he at one point actually says that he personally will sit
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in the Oval Office and dictate terms to Roosevelt when we, when
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we lose the war memorial and most Americans of that era know
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that Yamamoto. I'm not sure why, we don't seem
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to know that one today. He is visible because we tended
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to vilify the Japanese in every bit of media.
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After the Or and during I mean, look at the cartoons from the
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air and everything else that's come out, right.
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But but its post-war that he becomes seen as more soft than
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he really is. And after the two disasters at
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Midway and Guadalcanal, there's a great scene in the movie,
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Midway at the end, where, you know, how will we explain this
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to his majesty? The emperor and he lowers his
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binoculars and says, I alone will will, you know, apologize
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the emperor for this after these two disasters, he hits on an
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idea. Dia, which is that he's going to
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go improve the morale of the troops.
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And so he's going to take a morale tour, specifically to a
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place called Bougainville, which is now the front line of the
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fight. He's going to fly there in a
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couple of Betty Bombers, with his Entourage and they are going
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to encourage the troops. And as they begin to make this
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tour, there's actually a picture of him standing in front of the
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troops saluting them and you know, giving them the Rob
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Banzai. Banzai.
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Cheers. And the whole tour seems to be
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going very, very well. But there's something that
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Yamamoto doesn't seem to grasp you'd think he would.
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But so far he hasn't figured out the real problem that he has,
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which isn't his morale. It's what the United States is
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Dave does history so Yamamoto Dave is on a on a publicity tour
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trying to cheer up the troops and he's got something that he's
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not realized he for some reason and you know I'm a history guy.
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I'm a Navy guy. I've never really grasped.
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Why he didn't figure this out. And that is that the United
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States has been reading his mail.
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They have broken his codes. They broke his codes years ago
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and they have been reading his mail for well, over two years.
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In fact, the whole Ambush at Midway is set up because we're
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reading their, their codes. We're reading their messages.
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Now, we're not reading 100% of it, but if you get enough of it,
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you know, what's coming and the codebreakers have read, all the
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plans. For this trip that Yamamoto is
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going to make. They know exactly when he's
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going to be at what Airfield, what the route they're taking
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is, But the problem is it's just a bit too far away.
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Bougainville is just a little too far away from Guadalcanal
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for the for the fighter planes to make it.
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So they start thinking can what can we do to maybe get Yamamoto
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and get some, what's the word for it?
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Oh yeah, Vengeance on the guy who masterminded the attack on
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Pearl Harbor. And they start putting together
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this plant. They decide to use those p-38s
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that I was talking about because they are the longest range
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plane. They're going to attach drop
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tanks to it so that they have extra Fuel and they're going to
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use the three 39th Army. Air corps Squadron of P-38
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because this is really the best option.
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There's 18 of these aircraft and the commander of this makes one
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request before he decides to accept the mission.
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And that is he wants a Compass in his airplane, because the are
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the Army compasses are. No, not to be as good as the
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Navy compasses are. And if he's going to fly over
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water, like we didn't share the technology or what guess, I
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don't know. But but he's got the FBI working
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with the DEA come on. If he's gonna take off and fly
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two hours over water, he wants a Regal accurate compass and he
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knows that the Navy compasses are better than is very easily.
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They agree to do this. Now, when they take off, At 7:25
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ish in the morning from Guadalcanal, two of the planes
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immediately turn back because they have mechanical issues,
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which leaves 16 of these P38 to fly to almost two and a half
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hours to bow down. Let me interrupt you for a
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second. You said, they had 18 of these,
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they're committing every one of these they have in the fleet to
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go do this. Everyone in that Squadron?
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Yes. Okay.
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Very good. There were two other squadrons
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that were also involved but they were doing distractions in other
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places. Okay, I got you.
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So, but the three 39th is the, is the Squadron that's actually
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making the attack if they can pull this off because first they
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got a navigate all the way there, you know, dead reckoning
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with this Compass, they have to time it so that they get there.
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Just as yamamoto's are creating airplanes are coming in and then
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they got to figure out which one he's on because there's four or
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five of these airplanes. So you know it's not an easy
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thing. at about 9:20 9:30 in the morning, / Bougainville the 339,
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actually manages to intercept, the Japanese airplanes, In a dog
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fight for the ages, two of the planes are shot down.
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And they land in one lands in the jungle.
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One lands in the ocean. The rest get away.
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Did we get him? Well, that's the question.
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What we got to ask when we get back after this break?
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And we will do that with Dave Bowman and Dave does history.
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Interesting? Look at a story.
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We may not have known and I'm glad they've digs into this and
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is able to share it with us tomorrow on the show.
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Washington this morning. As we're taking a look at taking
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out Yamamoto and the question is, can the Army Air?
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Or make it happen. Dave, where we at now, sir?
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So these 16 P38 Come across the, the flight.
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There's four. Maybe five of these Japanese
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Betty. Bombers.
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Nobody knows for sure who's in, which one.
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But of course, as soon as the bomber, see the fighters coming
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in they scatter, they go every which way which means you gotta
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split up. Now, you got to find them your
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low-level your against the, the, the jungle background.
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It's hard to see. And ultimately to of these
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planes get shot down one lands in the jungle.
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The other actually lands in the water.
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The plane lands in the water actually has Yama.
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Photos assistant on it and he's pretty ticked off.
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He actually survives the crash, he gets out walks ashore and he
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is not happy, he's screaming and yelling and blah, blah blah blah
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blah. It is until a day or so later
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that they find the other plant that crashed and of course as it
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turns out it is yamamoto's plane but he wasn't killed by the
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crash. 2 crash probably was survivable but as it turns out
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when the P-38 attacked the Plane.
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They managed to actually hit Yamamoto twice once in the head
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once in the chest with their 20. Mm cannons.
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And and almost killed him instantly.
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So he is dead and the Japanese Have to wait a bit because they
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got to confirm it. They got to get it back to to,
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you know, Tokyo and that kind of stuff.
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And it isn't until about two weeks later that they actually
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admit that Yamamoto has been killed which of course sets off
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a media firestorm in the United States.
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How did we do this? What do we do?
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How do we end the pilots themselves?
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It's really bizarre bill because there's one pilot that makes the
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claim I did this but nobody can confirm it.
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Nobody seems to be able to actually do it.
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He does newspaper interviews, magazine interviews, and gets an
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award and the whole nine yards. But then later on, it's like,
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did he really do it? We don't really know if he did
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or not. And the problem is with these
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interviews that it becomes obvious to anybody that's paying
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attention that the United States knew exactly where he was going
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to be. And when he was going to be
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there, well, how do you know that?
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You know it because you may ask the question.
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Nobody actually asks that question.
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Uh-huh. But it becomes, I mean, you took
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off with extra fuel tanks to go to a very specific place at a
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very specific time. How did you know to be there?
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Hmm. Well, nobody wants to say it but
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we cracked your codes but somehow or another and I'm not
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sure how Bill the Japanese still don't get that.
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And still continue to use the same code.
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Even after the loss of Admiral are escucho Yamamoto.
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The Mastermind of the Pearl Harbor attack, the United States
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still manages to Club to protect its classified War stuff.
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Now, we've watched leaks in the last couple of weeks
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technically, operation Vengeance was never technically leaked but
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all these claims and counterclaims and arguments and
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controversy and everything else. The Japanese still.
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Never seem to catch on to it, which is so weird to me, even,
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you know, almost 80 years later that they never seem to catch on
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that. Oh, our codes were broken and
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it's like, they just never seem to figure that out.
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April 18th, like I said, is a Nexus date and with everything
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else that happened. It was this date 1943, that saw
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the death of Admiral are escucho Yamamoto at the hands of the
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three 39th Army. Air corps, Squadron P38 the Is
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to accomplish one of the most remarkable intelligence Coos of
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all time. They knew where he was going to
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be they managed to get there with a navy.
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Compass, by the way, and doing so took out essentially, the
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heart and soul of the Japanese Imperial Navy once and for all
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and they never ever recovered from that.
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And we're back with your calls for Dave Bowman on Dave does
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Talking about a minute. We'll continue in 60 seconds on
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Dave does history on Bill make live three two one seven six
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eight twelve forty. Dave we seem to know back in
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those days and in days earlier that we coin phrases like loose
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lips. Sink ships, do we have that
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mindset in America today or as little red, the secret, and do
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what we can with it. Let's get famous.
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Let's be Julian Assange, let's do something like that.
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Right. Let's let's be you know impress
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our buddies. A Discord server.
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Hey, there is something that has changed.
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And you know, when you look at World War Two and the way that
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the media related to the military and what they I mean
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Eisenhower told the Press what was going to happen on June 6
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1944 and then said, please don't print this until after it
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happened and they didn't. Now what can you imagine that
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happening today? No.
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And what else? What changed?
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I think that what changed and this is You know, you're kind of
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at a broad, you're painting with a very broad brush.
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Sure, but the Pentagon papers during Vietnam when it became
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obvious that the, the government and particularly the military
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was lying about things. Whether you can justify those
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lies are not really, not the role of an issue, when it became
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clear that they were lying, you know, the trust goes down.
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Well, You got the same thing happening today.
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I mean, this Leak with the with the Airmen nobody's talking
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about what's in the lake all they're talking about is the
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leaker and you know, the 21 year old and this that neither
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nobody's talking about the fact that the leaks are showing that,
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you know, the most of what we're being told about the war in
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Ukraine, is a lie that your crane is losing that they are in
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Desperate shape. And how can we, it's, it's a
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media prop up of an event. That's not going as it is We
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could have had a, I create this story but of, for all we know
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they did but it's, you know how convenient that this leak is
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being welcomed by Ukraine? Because it shows that they
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desperately need help and many in American government are
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looking at this going. See, we need to, we need to
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spend more billions of your money on this war.
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So you get to this point where you just don't trust anything
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anymore because you don't know who you can trust anymore.
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You don't, there's no. No, I guess in a way there's no
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clear-cut, right? And wrong like there was during
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World War 2, the Japanese, and the Germans were the am the
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enemy period and you treated them as the enemy and nowadays,
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it's like, well, half this country thinks Ukraine is our
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Ally half. This country knows that.
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That's the most corrupt Nation on Earth.
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How do you unite a country around that?
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And I don't know the answer to that.
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Well, politician politicians asking that question every two
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or four or six years to get to the phones line.
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One you're on with Dave Bowman on Bill make live good morning.
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Good morning Bill. Good morning David Brody yeah
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Brody. What's on your mind here, buddy?
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babe, could you think that the Japanese Might have not known
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about was this the same time at the Navajo code talkers were
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going in. There were trying to figure out
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our codes and trying to break our code and our Cryptid
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messages systems. You know, maybe that's why they
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were too concerned about breaking our own clothes that
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they thought that they could. We couldn't break their codes.
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Interesting question. Brody, thank you.
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Dave, the code talkers, the Navajo code.
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Attackers actually come about this is about the time they
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start where they really become effective as later in 1944 1945.
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And while they're trying to break our codes, and it doesn't
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make any sense because, you know, nobody speaks Navajo
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except for the Navajo. What a brilliant idea that was
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the problem is you get this, this attitude of invincibility.
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And that's what the Japanese had with their guns.
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The Germans, by the way, did the same thing, when the Enigma
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machine got broke. They refuse to believe that the
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Enigma machine. Got got captured and broken.
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And so they never change the codes.
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This is, you know, basic code systems 101.
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You never not change your code. You change your codes up because
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on a regular basis, because otherwise and you don't use the
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same systems because of the chance that they could be
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broken. The Japanese, in my view, should
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have figured this out specially after Midway.
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They should have known after Midway that we were reading
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their codes. Otherwise, There's no way we, we
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pull that off, but they didn't, and then when Yamamoto is is
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killed in operation Vengeance on this date 1943, then they
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certainly should have figured it out because there's the odds on
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16 P38 with drop tanks being in exactly the right place at
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exactly the right time without being told about it is 0.
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This is this was out of their range.
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This had to be planned and yet they still don't figure that
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out. And I To this day.
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I think that's one of the biggest mysteries of World War
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Two is, why the Japanese? Don't figure that out.
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That's interesting. Well, going back to our
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recurring theme of the day with artificial intelligence.
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How does that change the coding World award?
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I can't even imagine. That's hard to even think about.
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Because now, even if you break the code, do you believe it or
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not? I mean, how much, how much false
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flag stuff? Do you put into a to an AI thing
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that? And you know, goes back to other
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stuff Bill. What if I let you break my code,
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so that I want you to read what I think you want to read even
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though that's not really the case.
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I mean, how much of that is going on and it's Boyd's that
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well that goes back to Schwartz coffin and desert storm, right
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where CNN broadcast. Here's what we're doing.
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Here's where people are said to be and it was all right, let's
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let him think this and we're going somewhere else which is
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right out of Tom Clancy, Tom clancys.
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Clancy, wrote a novel long before that where they did
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exactly that. They put on a fake news report
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that convince the enemy that things were the way they were.
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And, you know, it's weird. That fiction has come to life,
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truth has become Stranger Than Fiction.
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I guess in so many ways. So M5 is running the Enterprise.
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Is that what you're telling me horde now?
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I really feel like Captain done soul.
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Don't, I don't we all that interesting de Ville.
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Any idea what you're looking ahead to and Dave does history?
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No one will hit. What may be coming up, you know,
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you had to ask me that didn't you?
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You had in mind and then I brought the quest, right?
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It's gone. Sorry.
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That's quite all right. And down but you can catch up by
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the way. Dave is back with what the frock
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it It aired on Sunday and it's available on the podcast at the
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well. You'll hear more episodes from
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Thank you so much. I appreciate The hard work.
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I appreciate that. You can get me a Dave at the
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