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JONA WEINHOFEN: From IKTPQ to BMTH - Metalcore History & Touring · The Downbeat

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  Welcome back guys to the Downbeat Podcast.
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  My guest this week is Jonah Weinhoffen of I Killed the Prom
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  Queen. We hung out in Nashville, TN.
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  He is a fellow. What do they call it when the
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  whatever. We have the same king, right?
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  He's from Australia, I'm from the UK, he's moved here, I've
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  moved here. We first met in 2008.
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  We talk about that. We talk about his illustrious
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  career with Prom Queen. He was obviously you know him
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  from Bring Me the Horizon as well.
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  Without further ado, it's Jonah Weinhoffen on the Downbeat
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  Podcast. That's the start of the podcast.
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  What you saying about shaving your face?
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  I was saying I shaved my own face and I just kind of RIP at
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  it, which is real sketchy considering how vain I am.
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  But yeah, I'm pretty sure I did one side too low.
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  So we're just going to stay are. You, What do you do?
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  Like Clipper? It's a good beard.
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  Give me a little. It's pretty short right now.
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  I've grown, I've grown a big boy before, but I'll Clipper the
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  lines. But then I just go in with like
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  a normal razor and I just find the line sometimes without a
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  mirror. But then you Clipper this stuff
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  down because I literally can't shave my beard.
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  I could grow a beard at 34, yeah, but don't know what
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  happened the second PB, don't know what happened, No one knows
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  what happened. But like, I can't do it, so I
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  have to go to the Barber. So I'd end up for about 3 weeks
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  out of the month. I just look insane.
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  Well, I rode the like, beard wave in like 2013 fourteen.
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  And I got a modelling contract out of it because that's when
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  that was a beard. Yeah, tattoos and beards.
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  And. But yeah, I had some nightmares.
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  Like I had one I went to just not a good Barber one time and
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  they just grabbed a big chunk and like started ripping at it.
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  And then I had like an uneven beard for six months and.
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  That's been my life moving here. No offense to any of the barbers
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  I have found, but I've tried sick barbers, Yeah.
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  And like 2 of them I'm like, oh, that's sick.
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  But it's hard. Yeah, it's hard.
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  You got to find fam. I had a guy in Orange County for
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  years and he's still my guy. And when I go back for visits
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  there, I'll go see him. And then I have a new guy in
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  Phoenix, where I'm at now, and that's it.
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  I found my guys and I'm so. I need that Phoenix hook up and
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  I need. Yeah.
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  Orange County hookup I've got Australia, great barbers, UK
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  great barbers, great coffee in both those places.
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  America, no offence. Get your act together like.
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  Fellas, stuff looks good on the outside.
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  This is like a metaphor for America.
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  Don't get me wrong, I love America.
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  I love. I wouldn't move to if I didn't
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  love it. USA baby.
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  But like, you go to a Barber shop or you know, a coffee shop
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  and it looks like one of the ones back home, UK, Australia,
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  where you're like, this place is going to be bomb.
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  And you go in and it's made. Yeah, fake it to be.
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  Make it. You're you're speaking to an
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  American citizen. So yeah, I get.
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  How Anyway, Jonah, welcome to the zombie.
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  Hello. That's a good intro, Simon.
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  All of that is staying in all the beer chats.
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  Staying in You're a resident here I.
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  Am I'm a I'm a citizen of the United States.
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  What's, what's the workaround like?
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  What's the time frame on that? What's the workaround?
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  Yeah, sorry, leaked it. Get in there.
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  Well, I came here on a, what is it?
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  O1? Yep, which I got through
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  actually. I've started on O2 with Bring
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  me. Eventually moved to an O1 when I
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  started coming back with prom. I got granted that as a
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  three-year visa lets you live here.
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  That's what I'm on now, yeah. And then I started dating my
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  girlfriend, who is now my wife and we.
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  Classic. We got married a couple years
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  after and I got the green card and so the green card was pretty
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  quick process. And then I think marriage and
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  anything else is like the only difference is like if you're
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  married, you can apply for citizenship after I think three
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  years of living here and anything else, like if you get
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  sponsored or whatever, it's, you know, 7 or it's a lot longer.
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  Stay in America 'cause I hear horror stories of like, touring
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  art where you have to, if when you're waiting for the green
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  card, you're not allowed to leave the country.
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  Yeah, I had that and I was still touring, so there was some
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  other, you know, you got to fill out some other forms.
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  It's doable. There's an exception for it.
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  Yeah. Sick.
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  Yeah, Madison, you want to do it on the podcast right now imagine
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  that numbers would be huge drop. Drop the knee.
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  Might do it, could do it for the content.
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  Welcome to the Downbeat. Thank you, I love it.
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  I'm so happy you're here. I don't know if you know this,
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  but I'm a big fan. Are you?
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  Yeah. I love that.
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  I love to hear that. That means you know all of the
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  stuff I don't have to tell you about the two truths and the
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  lie. I know the format I know.
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  The truth. Yeah, that's absolutely perfect.
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  What I was thinking about today. Do you know when we met for the
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  first time? I checked it out today.
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  I mean, I know the vague timeline, I don't know if I
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  remember like the moment but. It was December.
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  Oh, you know the date. I'm pretty sure it's 2007.
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  I have a feeling we may have been connected prior to that,
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  but I don't know if we like shook hands, hung out kind of
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  thing. But I might be wrong.
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  I might be mixing everything up because I have a terrible
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  memory. I remember my first time in the
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  UK and we played some place called Stoke on Trent and I was
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  like, what kind of a name is that?
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  The Underground, we also played it on that.
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  But that was just because I was new and still learning.
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  Hold up, let me unleash the beast.
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  Me too. Let's go.
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  You've got an exciting beast there.
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  Cheers. Yeah, cheers.
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  Cheers for. You.
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  October 2008 which is what? So someone do the maths?
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  Madison Maths. 17 years. Yeah, 17 years.
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  Yeah, maybe we met before now I think you only knew G.
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  Maybe, yeah. So I I couldn't remember if
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  Biotrophy played with Prom Queen or not on Prom Queen's first.
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  I killed the Prom Queen, my band for anyone that doesn't.
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  Know they'll know I'll have done an intro.
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  Yeah, that's it. And I look silly.
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  We did our first UK tour in 2005 and it was actually right after
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  recording our second album, Music for the Recently Deceased
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  in Sweden. And we had no material out at
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  all in the UK, No first album wasn't out on any label or
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  anything. And we just had a guy that hit
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  us up who's now made of ours. Dom Shout out Dom.
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  Dom Talk, Inc Yep. Yep, yeah, Let's Go threw a tour
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  together for us and, you know, it was decent.
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  There was like 50 to 100 people at some of the biggest shows for
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  a band that had a like a song on Myspace.
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  Or crazy time. And I I maybe I remember playing
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  with Silosis on some of those shows so I might be mixing up.
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  Yeah, people confused the two of us.
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  It's funny you mentioned Dom Talk Inc as well and that sort
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  of year, because I actually also played with Parkway in 2006 and
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  it was just like Nottingham Rescue rooms, basement, 150
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  people. Yeah, Parkway Mental.
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  Some, yeah, some of those old, old shows, you know, their whole
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  first DVD is just bonkers like. It was cool story.
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  It was Parkway Dr. Caliban. Yeah, though I think it was
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  Caliban Parkway Drive. Someone else actually.
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  That's cool because Caliban was my first US tour ever and also
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  my first, maybe second. No First European to a mainland
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  Europe. I will, yeah.
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  Like Caliban? Well, I'm about to leak
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  something here. So Caliban, my other band play
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  with Caliban and the Crew was really mean.
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  I'm like a festival thing. I'm not going to say what band
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  it was. The Crew was really mean, really
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  like not helpful. And before they played, our
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  bassist went on stage and cut all of the cables on their amps
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  with like wire cars. So they were really mean.
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  They were really mean. I think we dip before we
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  finished playing. This was probably 2009 or
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  something. I can't remember that.
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  Anyway, yeah. So we met 18 years ago and you
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  were with Bleeding Through. Yeah.
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  What's what's the give me the the timeline transition?
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  Yeah. Of like the Jonah bands.
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  You want, like, the real elevator pitch version first?
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  We can expand. Yeah.
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  Go started. I killed the prom queen fresh
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  out of high school with two guys I went to high school with.
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  Actually, one guy I went to high school with, JJ Peters.
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  You went to high school with JJ? Yeah.
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  Oh my God. I need a documentary of that.
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  We've got a pretty cool story of how we became friends too.
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  OK, we're gonna dive into that. Yeah.
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  JJ Peters is JJ from Deez Nuts, his own solo stuff.
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  Correct. Psychotic legend.
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  Yeah. Continue.
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  So JJ got approached by a couple guys from like an old Down S
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  surf hardcore band who that band had disbanded and they wanted to
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  do something new. And they'd heard about JJ and
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  then he was like, well I got my friend Jonah who shreds on
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  guitar too. So like we should get him
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  involved. And then Prong Queen was born
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  out of that. It was like these kind of like
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  surf rats from down South. And then me and JJ and then
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  slowly we replaced members, not necessarily intentionally, but
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  like, you know, one guy had kids and didn't want to play shows
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  outside Adelaide. So slowly we replaced those with
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  other people from high school or friends.
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  And that's how Crafter came into the fold.
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  So both JJ and Crafter went to high school with myself.
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  God, in my head it's summer high.
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  It's high. I know if.
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  Anyone hasn't watched Summer High?
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  It's high. It's unbelievable Australian
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  comedy. But yeah, in my head it's it's
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  like a metal called Summer High. It's high.
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  So that was like late 2000 and then prom went strong through
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  till 2007. We actually the the first Euro
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  tour I just told you about was first we tour with Bring Me the
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  Horizon. They brought us out as direct
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  support in the UK in 07 and then right off the back of that we
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  opened for All Shell Parish Caliban Bleeding through and
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  bleeding through Caliban was a like flip flop Co headline.
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  Was that Europe? Yeah, I think I went to that.
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  I think it was mainland Europe and it was.
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  It definitely went to Ireland. I don't know if it was.
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  I think I went to that because I think it was Ultra Parish's
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  first time over and I was like, I was already a fan of the other
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  two bands, but that, yeah, first Ultra Parish.
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  And ironically, apparently Bleeding Through didn't want us
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  on the tour because they didn't kind of really know who we were.
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  But we had already toured the US with Caliban.
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  We were like homies. And then so they got to pick us
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  and Bleeding Through picked Ultra Parish because Brandon was
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  managing them at the time. And then at towards the end of
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  that tour, we were kind of, I think we were on our third
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  singer by then. We booted Crafter in 05.
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  We took on Ed in 06. Oh my God, I forgot Ed from
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  Swindon. Yeah.
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  What's his surname? Ed Butcher.
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  Ed Butcher, Yeah. So I know Ed Butcher from back
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  in the day as well. He lived down the road.
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  Yeah, so he was in the band for an album and 1/2 an album cycle
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  and then we took a third guy. It was sort of supposed to be
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  like a trial maybe feeling, but kind of maybe going to be the
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  singer. Yeah, guy called Colin Jeffs,
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  who a lot of people probably know now.
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  He does like a lot of cool video stuff in Australia.
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  Yeah. I don't know, does everyone's
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  every death core bands music videos apparently?
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  Maybe I do know him then, yeah. I'm really kept in contact but
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  shout out Colin. Hope you're still cool.
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  Yeah, Towards that end of that tour, Prom was just kind of
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  having a rough time with like the different dynamics and being
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  burnt out. And Bleeding Through was having
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  a time with their guy. Scott and I just kind of offered
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  to step in if they needed someone because I didn't really
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  know what was happening next for me.
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  And two weeks later I was on a Canadian tour with Bleeding
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  Through. How long do you stay in bleeding
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  through for? Two years, two years, one album.
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  Two years and it was Don't tell me begins with D.
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  Yep. Dedication close.
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  There's. Something like that.
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  What is it going? Declaration.
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  Declaration. Yeah.
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  Fucking great album. Yeah bro that album was so sick.
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  That was fun. A lot of people have told me
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  it's their favorite Bleeding Through album, which is weird
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  for me because I was a big fan before joining the band.
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  So like, that's just the album I did with them.
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  But like, I have all the other stuff that I was a fan of.
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  I feel like I remember that one having way more, like the
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  orchestral stuff was stepped up on.
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  Yeah, I think we did some real strings on there for the maybe
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  the first time. Mata like got way more involved
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  on like a lot of the composing, composing composure.
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  They had some app where she would like play it on the piano
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  and it would transpose ready for the strings kind of thing.
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  So. I bumped into Mata and Brandon
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  at New England Metal and Harlequest last year, and I
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  haven't seen them since 2008 either.
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  And I was like at the bar and Brandon's like, smashing shots
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  and like, he used to be the most straightest guy in the room.
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  And I was like, I'm pretty sure I know who you are and we've
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  taught together, but I don't think I know who you are.
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  Anyway. He didn't Remember Me until I
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  told him, actually, because I was just like a scrawniest
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  little kid. No Italians back then.
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  And then I think he put two and two together.
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  He was like, wait, the downbeat guy was in by atrophy.
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  And then we had a big chat. Answering him in ages Yeah, was
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  fucking mental. I I bump into them every now and
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  then and I'm stoked to see him still ripping doing new albums
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  and I think the last time I saw them was maybe Blue Ridge a
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  couple of years ago and they played was cool as fuck.
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  Nice, OK so bleeding through, did you quit or do you get
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  booted? I quit that one, yeah.
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  And that the timeline's a bit fuzzy because I decided I was
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  going to quit mainly due to kind of like, financial stuff.
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  You know, I was on a different visa, living in the States.
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  It was hard. We went touring, like, a ton
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  where I was, like, raking it in. So even just, yeah, living month
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  to month was tricky. And I was a little homesick.
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  It was my first time just, you know, I just made a snap
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  decision to move to Orange County, California, with, like,
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  no thought put into it whatsoever.
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  And this is, yeah, almost two years later.
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  And I was like kind of miss home.
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  So I had plans to leave the band and move home and then either
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  like do more stuff with Prom again maybe or start something
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  new or I didn't really have a plan.
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  And on the last tour I did with Bleeding Through, I bumped into
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  the Bring Me guys who I was already mates with from the UK
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  to a weak headline or supported as they headlined.
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  And it was like the same story all over again.
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  I was like, oh, we're having troubles with Curtis and we
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  don't know what we're going to do.
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  And I was like, dude, I'm like pretty much quitting bleeding
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  Through tomorrow. Like if you want someone to fill
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  in or whatever, like I'm down. And then I was same thing.
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  I was playing my first show with Bring Me.
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  Like less than a month later, I had told Bleeding Through, I was
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  quitting to go home. And then later they found out
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  that I had magically joined Horizon.
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  So they thought it was kind of like a.
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  Were they annoyed about that? At first I think a little bit.
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  That annoys me when people get annoyed about that sort of stuff
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  because like, it's happened to me a bunch.
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  But like, if someone is move going to leave your band to join
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  the biggest band of all time, well, I'm sorry, they're now one
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  of the biggest bands of all time, but don't they're not the
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  biggest band of all time. You know what I fucking mean?
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  They are. You've got yeah, but you've got
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  to be like, happy for them. I think it was more from the
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  perspective of like they had to go through the whole process and
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  find someone new and train them up and they had to learn the
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  songs like that. That shit's annoying.
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  And so I think once the original dust settled, like they were
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  stoked for me because we're all we're all still good, good
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  mates. And I, you know, I'll still text
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  Martyr and Brandon every now and then.
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  I was housemates with Wami bass player for a long while so.
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  Do you remember your first show with Ring Me?
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  I do. Well, yeah, I think I do.
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  I. Think you do?
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  I'm I'm 99% sure it was Rock am Ring Germany 2009 is.
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  That one of the ones you did a stupid I'm Jonah Klein thing as.
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  Well. Show 1.
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  I don't think I did because Rock am Ring was in like an in a tent
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  type of situation stage wise. But I had started doing that
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  with bleeding through. I think the first time I did it
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  was download an O8 bleeding through.
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  I don't know where it came from. I think I'm I'm not claiming to
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  be the first person that ever climbed a stage.
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  Kind of were though, like in our world from what I can remember.
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  Maybe in like the metal, metal core kind of world.
• 18:38
  I feel like I was inspired by the Prodigy who inspired me in a
• 18:42
  lot of ways. One of my favorite bands of all
• 18:43
  time. And I remember seeing them in
• 18:45
  Adelaide. And it was in this old theatre
• 18:47
  with like these, I don't know what they're called, but you
• 18:50
  know, like the booths of the top.
• 18:51
  And I remember one of the guy, I think Maxim kind of like figured
• 18:54
  out a way to climb on the speaker and jump up into the
• 18:56
  booth. And I just that stuck in my
• 18:58
  mind. And then I saw the stage rigging
• 19:00
  and it looked like a ladder. And I'm like, that's a ladder, I
• 19:03
  can climb that. And then I'm pretty sure the
• 19:05
  next day one of the guys from Airborne did it as well.
• 19:09
  I remember all of this happening.
• 19:12
  And he actually did it way cooler than I did he.
• 19:14
  What did he? He went real.
• 19:16
  But I'm pretty sure I was first. Did he go right to the top?
• 19:19
  He went up the side I'm pretty sure like monkey bar across and
• 19:23
  then like angled upside down put his legs all like into weaving
• 19:27
  in the in the Truss and was like playing guitar upside down I
• 19:30
  think. Psycho shit.
• 19:32
  I have a shit memory so. So, Rock, I remember your first
• 19:34
  show. You don't think that you went
• 19:36
  crazy style on your first show? Were you scared playing your
• 19:38
  first show would bring me in because they were still so big
• 19:41
  there? Yeah.
• 19:42
  I'm pretty, yeah. I didn't climb because I was
• 19:44
  fucking too busy thinking about trying to play, trying to play.
• 19:47
  And the reason I was trying to think about playing the riffs
• 19:49
  right is that I hadn't had a rehearsal with the band, so I
• 19:52
  flew straight in from California to Germany and gone on stage
• 19:57
  with him, basically. And that was my first jam with
• 19:59
  the band. That's just a lot to to your
• 20:02
  skill set though. And it must have just been like
• 20:04
  all their laziness. It must have just been like,
• 20:07
  yeah, he's gonna be good. It might have been a bit of
• 20:08
  both. I do remember like Sweating Lee
• 20:11
  a bit being like can you just like send me a video or
• 20:13
  something I can learn from? And I think he sent me two
• 20:15
  videos of like 2 of the songs. And then what made it worse was
• 20:19
  we sat down backstage before the set and he was like, let's just
• 20:22
  run through and make sure like you're, you're good.
• 20:24
  And we ran through everything. And I like skill wise, I played
• 20:29
  everything good, but there was like 2 or 3 minor parts where he
• 20:32
  was like, oh, it's actually like this.
• 20:33
  And so then my brains like, oh fuck, I have to like remember
• 20:36
  this change you just showed me 10 minutes before the set while
• 20:40
  getting up there nervous? I've done that before.
• 20:42
  The ship for the first time a. Million times and it is, you
• 20:45
  always get through it, but it is just like, I'm sure it takes
• 20:48
  years of your life like that stress, yeah.
• 20:50
  Beforehand, I want to, I want to tell the story later.
• 20:52
  But I have, I have two instances where I've lived my anxiety
• 20:58
  nightmare. You know the anxiety dreams.
• 21:01
  It's just part of your two truths and a lie.
• 21:03
  No, just hit me with it now then, because what's going to
• 21:05
  happen is we're going to forget. For anyone that doesn't know, I
• 21:07
  just did a solo Southeast Asia tour.
• 21:11
  I guess we called it like a guitar clinic tour.
• 21:13
  But I'm not like, I'm going to show you like all the legendary
• 21:17
  shredding shit. I'm not like guitarist.
• 21:19
  So it was basically me playing some songs from my catalog and
• 21:23
  then talking about some experiences from my touring days
• 21:26
  or recording or songwriting or whatever, you know.
• 21:28
  And at the first stop, which was in Singapore, I had, I had, I've
• 21:33
  played some of these songs. I haven't played them in like 10
• 21:35
  years easily, maybe more. So I had to fully like, sit down
• 21:39
  in my little office at home and rehearse the songs I was going
• 21:42
  to play. Did you play some?
• 21:43
  Bring me. I played Bring Me.
• 21:44
  I played Prom. I didn't play any Bleeding
• 21:46
  Through, but I really had to rehearse.
• 21:48
  And there was a couple songs that I played, I'm like, yeah,
• 21:49
  I'll RIP this one. This one's got like a cool solo.
• 21:52
  And then I played it and I was like, I can't play the solo now
• 21:55
  after 10 years of having not played the song.
• 21:58
  So my chops weren't up, unfortunately.
• 22:00
  But So what happened was I have rehearsed, I think 6 or 7 songs
• 22:04
  and like, that was it. Maybe I'll play four or five,
• 22:07
  but I'll have a couple in the bank.
• 22:08
  And then this one guy in Singapore was like, I really
• 22:12
  wish you would have played 31 and sevens.
• 22:14
  I killed, I killed the Prong Queen song from the latest
• 22:17
  album. And I was like, yeah, I wish.
• 22:20
  But like I didn't practice it. And I'm really not very good at
• 22:23
  guitar right now. And he was like, but I really
• 22:26
  wish you would play it. Classic Southeast Asia just just
• 22:30
  pushing you. And I was like, you know what?
• 22:32
  I'm gonna play it, but I guarantee you it won't be good.
• 22:36
  I'm gonna fuck it up, mess it up, whatever.
• 22:38
  I'm going to probably have to remember how to play the song
• 22:43
  while I'm playing the song. And as I was doing it all I was
• 22:45
  like, this is these are the anxiety dreams you have.
• 22:48
  Like you got to get on stage and suddenly you can't remember how
• 22:50
  to play the song. And then a string breaks and
• 22:53
  then the the amp keeps breaking and the cable keeps pulling out
• 22:56
  and like all that shit. So I played this song.
• 22:59
  That's my own song I wrote and I was like stopping in the middle
• 23:03
  of me. Like what's that bit again?
• 23:05
  Yeah, you know, they didn't care.
• 23:06
  Though they didn't and it was, it was a smaller group and they
• 23:09
  seemed still stoked. And I was just being real with
• 23:11
  them, you know, I was like, I'm not, I'm not the guy I once was,
• 23:14
  but I'll do my best. What was the other anxiety dream
• 23:17
  shit in the bed? The same sort of situation, but
• 23:21
  instead of the song it was the gear.
• 23:23
  So I have a camper and you know, USB stick and put it in someone
• 23:27
  else's camper and it loads all your shit up.
• 23:29
  And the second day in Bangkok, Thailand, it just wouldn't load
• 23:33
  my stuff. So I'm rebuilding all my patches
• 23:36
  and dialing someone else. Yeah.
• 23:39
  So like, I managed to get my amp sounds on there, but I still had
• 23:43
  to, like, rebuild the delay and the reverb and, you know, four
• 23:46
  different patches and solo patch and clean tone and all that
• 23:49
  stuff. And we got there 30 minutes
• 23:53
  before doors were meant to open. And.
• 23:55
  And I didn't realize that. And I'm like, just twiddling
• 23:57
  around and they're like, the fans have been waiting out there
• 24:00
  for like an hour now. Is it OK to get started soon?
• 24:02
  And I was like, oh, shit, yeah. Just a bit of pressure.
• 24:05
  And then did you do the classic Southeast Asia thing where it
• 24:08
  was play a show, fly immediately to the next one, or did you have
• 24:10
  a day off in between? 5:00 AM Lobby calls.
• 24:13
  Every day show finished. When did the show start and when
• 24:16
  did it finish? They were like moderate timings
• 24:20
  because it was just me. Well, one of them was an event
• 24:22
  that was happening and I was there as a guest of the event,
• 24:24
  but I think it was like 5-6 PM start times. 9.
• 24:28
  PM Finish. I'm thinking in my head like the
• 24:31
  amount of times we've done Southeast Asia and it's like
• 24:34
  Doors at nine, yeah, 7 band bill.
• 24:37
  Because like, they want to get their Singapore bands out there
• 24:40
  and whatever, and it's, and we want them on there and it's cool
• 24:43
  to see everyone's band. But then like you play at 2:00
• 24:45
  AM and then you finish and they're like right to the
• 24:47
  airport. I was like, oh, we have the show
• 24:49
  tomorrow. There's no sleep.
• 24:50
  Yeah. I remember there was like 1:00
• 24:51
  AM sets from the. I don't know if you ever played
• 24:53
  any of the like, punk hardcore nightclubs in Australia that
• 24:56
  were a thing for a while, but they would have.
• 24:59
  Did crowbar? I have one.
• 25:00
  It was predated crowbar predated crowbars like they were called
• 25:03
  like bang and next and hot damn and.
• 25:06
  That's about, I think, Yeah. Oh my God.
• 25:09
  I. Always had after parties. 2013
• 25:11
  was the first time I went to Australia and we definitely did
• 25:13
  a hot damn. I think, yeah, damn, what weird
• 25:17
  time to look back on and remember, like that sort of huge
• 25:22
  print, silly T-shirts, like, hot damn club night, Myspace photos.
• 25:29
  Yeah. Bright colours thrown up all
• 25:31
  over T-shirts. All over that stuff.
• 25:33
  Prom Queen had some some good ones of those.
• 25:35
  Yeah, we we sort of tried to play into some of the stuff that
• 25:40
  was trending, but also try and do our own thing.
• 25:42
  But it's a weird landscape. I feel like Ollie, like, was
• 25:48
  almost solely responsible for the ridiculousness of it.
• 25:51
  Ollie and The Devil Wears Prada, The drop dead cat.
• 25:54
  Yeah, which actually, Ben Normanton, who was in my first
• 25:57
  band ever, Lou Can. He designed that cat.
• 26:00
  Yeah, I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure it.
• 26:01
  Was him. We had another guy that designed
• 26:03
  for Drop dead did a bunch of the band designs for bit 2 shants.
• 26:07
  Yeah, and then Devil Wears Prada, their T-shirts were
• 26:10
  absolutely stupid. Architects had a little moment
• 26:13
  where they they had a T-shirt. I think a lot of bands did even
• 26:16
  like some of the like Bleeding Through played into it a little
• 26:19
  bit. And it was our best seller.
• 26:23
  Yeah, it was like some stupid wolf being sick or whatever.
• 26:26
  We had this insane prom, one that was do you remember that
• 26:30
  game? What was it called?
• 26:31
  Video game with like the the Kong and Godzilla, like climb
• 26:36
  the buildings. You have to smash the buildings
• 26:38
  down. It's like an old Sega Genesis
• 26:40
  game. No, fuck, what's it called?
• 26:46
  On the. Google.
• 26:48
  Like retro video game. There was a Godzilla, there was
• 26:52
  a Kong. You literally had to like smash
• 26:55
  a building until the building fell down.
• 26:57
  You would like eat people out of the windows and shit?
• 26:58
  Sounds. Sick.
• 27:00
  It was really cool. Grab a helicopter from the sky.
• 27:04
  And we're going to find out what it's called.
• 27:05
  Don't panic. Don't panic, Madison, you're
• 27:07
  doing. Rampage.
• 27:08
  Yes. Rampage.
• 27:09
  Rampage. Yeah, that.
• 27:11
  Is. Google like a bunch of words.
• 27:13
  That is a producer right there. You're getting a.
• 27:16
  Rate first, first pick. Yeah, Rampage.
• 27:19
  So we had a shirt like that and it was a Godzilla type.
• 27:22
  It was very cartoony and colourful and it said Promzilla.
• 27:26
  Promzia, I remember the shirt. Made no sense whatsoever.
• 27:30
  Architects had one that was Ali Dean, used to be called Ali Dino
• 27:34
  I remember and they had that dinosaur T-shirt just like
• 27:37
  Reptile from Rugrats. Yep.
• 27:39
  So insane to see like fully grown men with like hands based
• 27:44
  neck tattoos wearing the most silly T-shirts.
• 27:50
  I wonder if that stuff will make a like a hard.
• 27:51
  Comeback coming back. Oh, look at nodder over there.
• 27:54
  You're nodding. Is it already back?
• 27:56
  Not quite yet, but graphic Tees like, especially with prints on
• 28:01
  them, like words is really back right now.
• 28:03
  So I think that it's going to escalate.
• 28:05
  And 303 are back. Yeah, you know, if Myspace is
• 28:08
  coming back, how long till Myspace gets rebooted?
• 28:11
  What did our second drummer after JJ Shane he, I think he
• 28:16
  called him T-shirt lyrics. It's like you gotta have AT
• 28:18
  shirt lyric. Oh, the big.
• 28:19
  Bold the back, the breakdown, whatever.
• 28:21
  There was some classic T-shirt lyrics A mule and I want to
• 28:26
  watch you suck his Dick on the back of a T-shirt.
• 28:29
  That's one, I suppose. Absolutely insane lyric.
• 28:32
  It's like, is it a cuckold T-shirt?
• 28:35
  Is it what? What is it?
• 28:36
  I don't. I wonder if they'll have it on
• 28:38
  the tour that they're doing with I Killed the Prom Queen later
• 28:40
  this year. Oh.
• 28:41
  It's a nice segue. We can't go into that just yet
• 28:44
  because we're still on your trajectory.
• 28:46
  Yeah, yeah. Well, hadn't joined Ring me yet,
• 28:47
  had I? Oh yeah, I kind of hadn't just
• 28:49
  joined Ring. Told me Rock first show, Rock
• 28:51
  Ring. And how long you been bring me
• 28:53
  for? Three years. 3 1/2 years.
• 28:56
  I was it only that short? Yeah, it felt like a really long
• 28:59
  time, but looking back, like I've done a lot of other things
• 29:01
  that were twice as long as that. Because you did.
• 29:04
  A record and you there's something of yours on Semper
• 29:08
  Tunnel? Yes.
• 29:09
  Am I correct? What's?
• 29:10
  Yeah, kind of. What's on Semper tunnel?
• 29:12
  When I joined in 09, we almost immediately started writing.
• 29:16
  There is a hell yeah, a cool little like Scottish mini castle
• 29:20
  thing. Really.
• 29:22
  Yeah. And that was I think the last
• 29:26
  album writing session, whatever you want to call it, where the
• 29:28
  band was like still more analogue, kind of like jam room
• 29:32
  set up in the living room. And we would have the lamp, the
• 29:35
  amps turned up loud and all that stuff.
• 29:37
  And then sent paternal. They started moving more like
• 29:39
  straight to the the door. Yeah.
• 29:41
  So I wrote probably a good, if I'm being conservative, like a
• 29:45
  good 3035, maybe 40% of there as a hell.
• 29:50
  I was very involved in the writing process.
• 29:53
  I think my act, my strength coming into the band was we
• 29:57
  would get 3/4 the way through a song and then get stuck.
• 30:00
  And then it was often my idea, which was usually a bridge or a
• 30:03
  melodic riff or something that would kind of bring it full
• 30:06
  circle. With Semp Eternal, we we tried
• 30:09
  the the jam room thing and the vibe was weird.
• 30:12
  We tried going into a studio that Phil kind of had, least at
• 30:17
  the time. Phil lives here.
• 30:19
  Yeah, that's what I heard. I'm I'm bumped into me.
• 30:21
  I bumped into him one like bumped into Phil on day one,
• 30:25
  Yeah. And then I've haven't seen him
• 30:26
  since. Crazy everyone lives here they.
• 30:28
  Should move. Sorry I derailed you.
• 30:30
  Oh good. So yeah, so with SEMP Eternal,
• 30:33
  Jordan got involved and we had a a kind of a Jordan type guy on.
• 30:39
  There was a hell and he just sat off on his side and made little
• 30:43
  electronic parts and would float ideas and we'd go, yeah, it's
• 30:46
  cool, put it here and now that bit sucks, leave it out kind of
• 30:49
  thing. But the intention was always to
• 30:51
  write more with Jordan and just, you know, everyone loved worship
• 30:56
  and his sounds and the sound of that band.
• 30:59
  That was naturally where the band was headed while I was
• 31:02
  still a part of it. Jordan and you.
• 31:05
  Jordan's not in the band at this point.
• 31:07
  It's correct. He's producing.
• 31:09
  Yeah, doing some writing. We yeah, I don't.
• 31:12
  I guess he was producing, but at the time the intention was he's
• 31:16
  just going to do the the synth like the Electronic Arts and
• 31:19
  we'll write the songs. And then they started creating
• 31:23
  these ideas together, some with parts that Lee had already come
• 31:26
  up with and some that were like maybe born out of Ollie's idea
• 31:30
  but were easier realized through Jordan than through Lee.
• 31:34
  And we very quickly realized, oh man, this guy is like in
• 31:37
  integral to this album. Yeah, he's a genius.
• 31:41
  So somewhere, I think the whole process was maybe like, I don't
• 31:45
  know, 4-5 months or something before going into the studio.
• 31:50
  And I don't even remember when the combo happened, but there
• 31:53
  was a combo at some point either like in the studio or before or
• 31:57
  maybe right after the album was done where it's like Jordan has
• 31:59
  to be part of this band now. Like we can't just do this and
• 32:03
  then move forward and try it with a different guy.
• 32:04
  Like this was so cool. So anyway, that's that little
• 32:09
  part of the info. But songwriting wise, Lee Jordan
• 32:14
  Ollie started working really closely together and churning
• 32:17
  out awesome stuff. And so the rest of us kind of
• 32:20
  didn't want to fuck with that. And they were pretty happy with
• 32:24
  their like little kind of trio. And so myself, vegan, Matt Keane
• 32:30
  and Matt Nichols just kind of like sat on the sidelines, like
• 32:33
  waiting to be involved or waiting just to see kind of how
• 32:36
  it played out. In the meantime, I was staying
• 32:39
  active, so we had a little hotel that me and Vegan lived in in
• 32:43
  Sheffield. We didn't live there at the
• 32:44
  time. And so I'm riffing away and just
• 32:47
  trying to trying to be included. And I ended up writing a couple
• 32:51
  of riffs as a demo, not a full song, but just kind of smashed
• 32:54
  together. And I sent them to Ollie.
• 32:56
  And I was like, hey, I made this like, what do you think?
• 32:59
  And he liked it. He said let's use it.
• 33:02
  He let Jordan kind of have at it.
• 33:04
  And then I came in on, I think, at least one of the sort of
• 33:08
  writing sessions. And so essentially that song
• 33:10
  became sleepwalking and it was born out of the chorus riff was
• 33:14
  a riff that I wrote. It was also a really long.
• 33:16
  Big. That's a big banger.
• 33:18
  It was a banger, right? That's a banger, Yeah.
• 33:20
  Good for you. I mean, I definitely didn't, you
• 33:22
  know, It wasn't my song I started start to finish, but it
• 33:25
  was born from my idea. I did.
• 33:27
  Count that. Yeah, let's take it.
• 33:29
  I did get to come in and like elaborate a bit on it, so I sort
• 33:34
  of made some of the chorusy parts, which it's funny.
• 33:36
  That song is basically just one riff and then with two
• 33:39
  breakdowns added so. That's every stray song ever.
• 33:42
  Yeah, so the it's the chorus strummed slightly differently
• 33:45
  for one verse, played clean for another verse.
• 33:49
  Bridge. Breakdown.
• 33:50
  Yeah. Chorus again, maybe?
• 33:52
  And I, I can't guarantee this, but I'm fairly certain that the
• 33:58
  riff that I wrote that went with the chorus, it was kind of like
• 34:00
  a Ghost inside Y breakdown that could also be played fast.
• 34:05
  I think Jordan may have taken that and kind of like did a
• 34:08
  choppy thing on it and switched some bits around.
• 34:10
  I feel like that's how one of the breakdowns was created.
• 34:13
  And then Lee came in and polished it.
• 34:16
  Did it, yeah. But I might be full of shit so
• 34:18
  Don't Come After Me did. You, you got your, you got a
• 34:21
  gold disc out of that. I did.
• 34:24
  Why are you smirking? Because it took 10 years to get
• 34:28
  it. 10 years I did like legal battle or.
• 34:31
  Just turned up after 10 years. No, I just wasn't really
• 34:35
  considered when the album first came out.
• 34:38
  There was a little bit of like figuring out like my departure.
• 34:42
  I'm not trying to put you in the shit here.
• 34:43
  No, that's OK. I know everyone's cool.
• 34:44
  So it's just like I'm just interested because I it's on my
• 34:48
  bucket list, but I'm never going to do it.
• 34:49
  I'm 38. I'm now I'm not going to get
• 34:50
  gold disc. That's not that's not the right
• 34:52
  attitude. I'm not going to get gold disc.
• 34:53
  Nope. I'm in Nashville.
• 34:54
  I might get a gold disc of some country guy.
• 34:56
  You get it. You just got to.
• 34:58
  Have I want pure arrogance? It's a mindset.
• 35:01
  Pure vanity. Just want little gold disc?
• 35:04
  Yeah. Stick it up.
• 35:04
  It's wonderful. So yeah, I, I left, I let the
• 35:08
  dust settle and kind of like, didn't even really think about
• 35:10
  it. And then I think I had noticed
• 35:12
  that bubble. Good friend of mine who was at
• 35:15
  the time their tour manager on that album cycle.
• 35:18
  I don't know if anyone knows that.
• 35:19
  Tempaternal or or. Tempaternal.
• 35:21
  Which is funny because it was. Correct me if I'm wrong, suicide
• 35:26
  season is mostly based on bubble riffs.
• 35:29
  Slim. Slim riffs, but the same band.
• 35:33
  Yeah. Bury your dead.
• 35:34
  Yeah. Unreal Unreal record.
• 35:36
  There was an influence there, both Unreal Bands and Unreal
• 35:39
  Records. If so, sick.
• 35:40
  If anyone hasn't done the AB do you want to go suicide season
• 35:46
  and. What is beauty in the breakdown?
• 35:49
  No, it's not beauty in the breakdown.
• 35:50
  It's it's the one with all the Tom Cruise titles.
• 35:53
  Oh yeah. Madison, can you please just
• 35:56
  Google Bury your Dead albums? Cover your tracks.
• 35:58
  Cover your tracks. Boom, number one.
• 36:00
  Yeah, Thank you very much. Yeah.
• 36:01
  Cover your tracks. And every song title is a Tom
• 36:04
  Cruise movie. Yeah, which is speaks to me
• 36:07
  because I'm big cruise head and I can't remember what song it
• 36:11
  is. I think it's Eyes Wide shot,
• 36:13
  Eyes Wide Shot and whatever the first track.
• 36:16
  Don't quite me on this on Suicide season, it's like the
• 36:19
  same ramp. I I I haven't a bead but I feel
• 36:22
  like there's definitely other bands with worse like Carbon
• 36:25
  copy this is. I mean it's it's 0.
• 36:28
  Similar, there's influence. It's 0 on a guitar.
• 36:30
  There's only like maybe 128 different variations you could
• 36:34
  actually do for that. It's fine to be influenced by
• 36:36
  shits, yeah. I actually.
• 36:38
  Have a shit all the time anyway. Well, Bub Bubbles, tour manager
• 36:41
  at the time. Yeah, so bubble tea and him and
• 36:42
  he got a gold record because they they gave them to like the,
• 36:46
  you know, supporting crew and I guess crew member, some crew
• 36:52
  members got it. Did he get it 10 years later or
• 36:53
  he got it? No, he got it at the time, but I
• 36:55
  think I didn't learn that he got it until a long while later.
• 36:59
  And then I was like, wait, if the tour manager got one, why
• 37:02
  didn't the guy that wrote at least the riff from Sleepwalking
• 37:05
  get 1? So I, I, you know, brought it up
• 37:10
  with the band's still current manager and just kind of mention
• 37:14
  like, hey, you know, we all know I did a little bit of stuff on
• 37:17
  this. What's the, what's the
• 37:20
  feasibility of me getting one of these plaques and that we're all
• 37:22
  cool with it. Yeah, that's cool.
• 37:24
  And then I, I didn't get one plaque.
• 37:26
  I got like 3 because they had that album, went gold in
• 37:29
  Australia, UK and the States, and with silver in the UK as
• 37:34
  well. So there's a fourth pluck there.
• 37:35
  Where? Where are they all?
• 37:36
  Sitting in the boxes in my office and I.
• 37:40
  Know with a fucking gold disk has it in their box.
• 37:44
  Jeremy from Brada, it's in his garage.
• 37:46
  I. Think it's like such a big thing
• 37:48
  that we want it to be like perfect how it's displayed and I
• 37:50
  don't have the room set up yet so on.
• 37:52
  The walls like doctor. Dre, bro Yeah.
• 37:55
  And then just recently, like within the last month or two,
• 37:58
  there is a hell when gold in UK as well.
• 38:01
  Oh, you need an office? What's the Dre lyric?
• 38:04
  Gold plaques hanging up in the back of his office like
• 38:06
  trophies. Oh, please, you better bow down
• 38:09
  on both knees. You think talking to smoke trees
• 38:12
  I could do that? All that.
• 38:13
  Sorry. Yeah, you know the bit.
• 38:14
  Anyway, you need Doctor Dre Bungalow with all these things.
• 38:18
  I have the room, it's got my desk where I work, and it also
• 38:22
  has my studio gear and then it has a TV and a couch because
• 38:25
  sometimes when I'm working and doing stuff, my kids come and
• 38:27
  hang out and then it has $25,000 worth of Star Wars Lego on
• 38:31
  display. I've.
• 38:33
  Got a bit on Star Wars Lego? We can do it now if you want.
• 38:35
  Whatever. Let's carry on.
• 38:39
  Yeah. And then we'll go on to your
• 38:40
  Star Wars Lego, please. And then Star Wars in general.
• 38:42
  OK, I've got I've got to watch Star Wars, some Star Wars stuff.
• 38:46
  I don't know if any downbeat fans love all the things that I
• 38:48
  love, but let's see, of course. They do look at us.
• 38:51
  We're all just nerds, real Funko people.
• 38:54
  But good for them for giving you the plaque.
• 38:56
  Like, I mean, there's there's definitely been really good
• 38:59
  vibes lately around anything me and bring me related, you know,
• 39:05
  the the clinic tour that I did. Did you have to hit them up and
• 39:08
  ask, can I play these songs? Maybe I should have, but I
• 39:11
  didn't. I think.
• 39:13
  Yeah, I think there was sort of like a mutual like it's cool, I
• 39:17
  hope, but I knew. That like a publishing bill.
• 39:19
  I knew that the fans there would more interested in the bring me
• 39:23
  stuff than maybe the anything else.
• 39:25
  Does that annoy you? Nope, not at all.
• 39:27
  No, because they're a great band and they're ginormous and it
• 39:31
  just do the math. Fuck, it makes sense.
• 39:33
  It's good for you and I. I had AI had a weird mindset
• 39:36
  about my experience with them for a while, but man, that's
• 39:41
  everything or weird with that band was so long ago that like
• 39:45
  I'm I can just look back on everything and be stoked.
• 39:48
  You know, I was a little piece of that puzzle that got them
• 39:52
  where they're at and I had an amazing time and I am a little
• 39:56
  bit woo woo in like believing and manifesting and how things.
• 40:00
  You know, roll out and same. I'm in without.
• 40:03
  All of the steps I. Took to get to where I am now.
• 40:05
  Or maybe I wouldn't have my wife or my kids.
• 40:07
  Or that's how I think about things as well.
• 40:09
  Like, I don't really ever hold a grudge.
• 40:12
  Don't get me wrong. The first sort of year after
• 40:15
  someone wrongs me, oh, there's a big grudge.
• 40:17
  Huge grudge. Yeah.
• 40:18
  It depends what it is. I need some.
• 40:19
  Sort of revenge. So there's.
• 40:21
  A big there's a big thing, and then I'm Zen.
• 40:23
  Then it's just like, you know what war under the Ridge.
• 40:25
  But the reason I say that is that some people and I.
• 40:29
  Feel like. So I had an old band called The
• 40:32
  Heart Machine, which ended horrifically and I got
• 40:36
  absolutely fucked out of royalties, fucked out of
• 40:39
  credits, fucked out of everything.
• 40:41
  And but it's my most probably my most technical drum performance,
• 40:46
  just like technical death metal ever.
• 40:49
  And I'll still get people be like, oh, man, not really a big
• 40:54
  fan of any Australia stuff, which is German honesty at its
• 40:56
  finest. But like, and then they'll be
• 40:58
  like, but I love what you did with the hard machine.
• 41:00
  And I get so pissed off about it.
• 41:02
  And then one day cuts. Yeah.
• 41:04
  And then. But then one day I was just
• 41:06
  like, oh, cool. Like good for you.
• 41:07
  Like, I still did that. Yeah.
• 41:08
  But there are a lot of people. Tim Heidecker from Tim and Eric,
• 41:13
  you know that guy, We've seen an interview where he, like,
• 41:16
  someone asked him about Tim and Eric and he's doing a music
• 41:19
  career now. And he's like, he does good.
• 41:20
  And it's not funny. It's like it sounds like kind of
• 41:23
  like Neil Young, like it's really good.
• 41:25
  Yeah, but like someone asked him about Tim and Eric.
• 41:27
  He goes ape shit. That's car.
• 41:29
  Hate it. Yeah, Now, man, I.
• 41:32
  Had a good time. I have a great life now.
• 41:34
  Like what's to be mad about? Good for you.
• 41:37
  I have a. German honesty story.
• 41:38
  Actually, after watching the the Josh James hit me.
• 41:42
  I mean, this should be a segment, yeah.
• 41:44
  This it should. Oh, hello.
• 41:46
  I'm about to be. Very, very honest with you.
• 41:50
  That's the Jingle for German honesty on the damn the China.
• 41:54
  Yeah, started to hit me with some German honesty.
• 41:56
  That's not going to be the funniest one you've ever had.
• 41:57
  But I, you know, I think the typical ones are like, it starts
• 42:02
  with a compliment and then it's a diss, right?
• 42:05
  Always 100% of the time. And it could be anything it
• 42:08
  could be. Like you guys talked about, it
• 42:10
  could be the shoes that you wore or how you played a certain
• 42:13
  song. I got one.
• 42:14
  The actual German honesty itself wasn't the outstanding part.
• 42:18
  It was something like great show.
• 42:20
  Just one thing. You played the solo last time a
• 42:24
  little bit good, but this time a little bit shit.
• 42:26
  Why? Right.
• 42:28
  Fucking great accent by the way. Thank you.
• 42:30
  Surname. That's the surname.
• 42:32
  Did did they say why? I don't remember why, but the
• 42:35
  best part was I had decided to go out into the general public
• 42:39
  to take a piss instead of going. Maybe there wasn't a backstage
• 42:42
  toilet or something earlier in the show.
• 42:44
  Like not too many people around. This all happened at the urinal.
• 42:48
  I'm pissing. Guy pulls up next to me to piss.
• 42:50
  That's my looks at me. That's my anxiety dream right
• 42:53
  there. Yeah.
• 42:54
  Looks at me. Looks down.
• 42:56
  Looks down. I thought your Dick would be
• 42:58
  bigger. Great Dick, Just one thing.
• 43:00
  I wanted to call that. Segment because I wanted to do
• 43:04
  it as a segment before and I wanted to call it neuro or euro,
• 43:08
  Neuro or euro because like. Neuro divergent.
• 43:11
  People sometimes don't have a filter, that's just part of
• 43:15
  where they are on the spectrum and you gotta take which it is
• 43:18
  consulted. A few people on the.
• 43:20
  Spectrum and there was a resounding do not call it that.
• 43:23
  So yeah, I feel like that we had another nickname.
• 43:25
  For it 'cause I I hadn't really heard German honesty until maybe
• 43:28
  you guys did the part, but I feel like there was another.
• 43:31
  Nickname We, I think we called it.
• 43:33
  It was like the review or something.
• 43:35
  Like did you get the German review?
• 43:36
  The German review, I feel like. Australia is responsible for a
• 43:40
  lot of slang. Slang.
• 43:42
  In like especially. With touring like rare that
• 43:46
  reaches global. Rare, fucking rare is.
• 43:49
  Like is lexicon for straight from the path and it comes from
• 43:53
  Australia. If anyone doesn't know like
• 43:56
  it's, how would you explain saying something's rare?
• 43:59
  It's it's just like an. An irony, right?
• 44:02
  It's like the opposite. It's so not.
• 44:04
  Rare. It happens all the time.
• 44:06
  So like I Yeah. I I would say you wearing jiu
• 44:09
  jitsu T-shirt again. Rare.
• 44:10
  Rare. Fucking rare.
• 44:12
  Yeah. Or.
• 44:12
  Like, oh, German guy gave me a pretty good honest review.
• 44:15
  Oh, rare, rare. It just means not rare.
• 44:17
  Anyway, that comes from Australia.
• 44:18
  Yeah. And anyone that's like that
• 44:21
  fucks with me or the downbeat Australia is like, that's just
• 44:24
  Madison. How many times did I say rare?
• 44:25
  That's just in in the vocab. And now from Australia to UK to
• 44:31
  America, it's just all over. I wonder if I know who the.
• 44:34
  Originator of rare is I think it might might have been some guys
• 44:38
  from Adelaide actually, which would have went via JJ and how
• 44:41
  many guys yeah bring me had a Tua laminate that had a little
• 44:47
  German guy like Leda Hosen or whatever holding a beer and it
• 44:51
  had a speech bubble that said like great tour.
• 44:53
  Just one thing really. I probably.
• 44:56
  Haven't I'll. Fancy it up.
• 44:57
  I'm trying to think of of a slang.
• 45:00
  Specifically from Australia, So you said earlier, Sweater.
• 45:03
  Yeah, that's specifically Australian.
• 45:05
  Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's Parkway.
• 45:07
  And Byron speak, because sweater did come.
• 45:10
  So sweater is a punisher? Yeah, same thing.
• 45:13
  But like, it was never Punisher for me.
• 45:16
  It was always sweater, which I think came from Australia, then
• 45:20
  two architects and then obviously I talked with
• 45:22
  architects for years and then but Americans call them
• 45:25
  Punishers, but you're still rocking that sweater flag.
• 45:27
  I think Punisher was. Australian too, but pre but
• 45:31
  predated sweater. Yeah, sweater was the new.
• 45:34
  Punisher, I'm trying to think, yeah, there's.
• 45:37
  Been so many and I feel like Parkway and then this this group
• 45:40
  of guys from Adelaide with them like purveyors of a lot of it
• 45:43
  touring with Deez Nuts like. Warped my liver, number one, but
• 45:47
  like warped my vocab like crazy. Like even earlier today I said
• 45:53
  something to Tom and then I was like, I'll probably bring that
• 45:55
  up on the podcast because I'm talking to Joan and I wonder.
• 45:58
  So like instead of saying I don't care about something, I
• 46:03
  will. Say care.
• 46:04
  Story which does that ring any bells to you?
• 46:07
  Like it comes from JJ to me. So like I think we were talking
• 46:11
  about we were talking about the drum tech for slam dunk and it's
• 46:13
  like hey, we can't really get a slam.
• 46:15
  We can't really afford a drum tech for two days and then
• 46:18
  flying home and flying here or whatever, which is a annoying,
• 46:21
  but I was like, it's two shows care story and then I was like,
• 46:24
  it's just JJ. Yeah, I feel like.
• 46:27
  That might have been like a high school type of thing for us.
• 46:31
  Yeah. Still there?
• 46:32
  Yeah. Calling people horses you ever
• 46:36
  get? That one that.
• 46:37
  Yeah, that's JJ. And that same, there's this
• 46:39
  whole group from Adelaide that just made all these weird things
• 46:42
  and it some of it's. Widely used.
• 46:45
  Some of it is like it's that's too far out.
• 46:47
  It's not getting adopted. I think it was just.
• 46:51
  Calling your friends horses and then it would be like coming
• 46:54
  into a backstage and everyone's there.
• 46:56
  He'd be like, oh, full stable, like just silly.
• 46:59
  Is that like? Stallion like male like yeah.
• 47:02
  Attractive. Handsome.
• 47:03
  Yeah. Oh.
• 47:04
  Full stable. Yeah, yeah, I love.
• 47:06
  An in joke. I feel like in jokes are dying.
• 47:09
  What am I? What?
• 47:09
  Because we're old and we don't tour anymore.
• 47:11
  Well, you do. Well, I do, and we still.
• 47:13
  Have in We're still doing the same in jokes from fucking 2008.
• 47:16
  We need to start some new in jokes.
• 47:17
  Yeah, Madison, you've you've hung out at parties with like
• 47:21
  people. Do people still like quote
• 47:25
  movies at each other like I was thinking?
• 47:28
  Yesterday we. Were watching something
• 47:30
  yesterday, Tropic Thunder yesterday and now I remembered
• 47:33
  it was the DreamWorks logo at the beginning and I remembered
• 47:35
  like back in the day, I feel like all we did was sit around
• 47:39
  and quote Anchorman at each other.
• 47:40
  Yeah, that was common. I don't know about now, yeah.
• 47:43
  But now I'm thinking like have memes.
• 47:44
  Replaced like, just quote in a movie?
• 47:46
  Probably. Do people quote movies?
• 47:48
  Yeah. But like, is there like, a movie
• 47:50
  that makes ourselves sound really old?
• 47:52
  Yeah. I am fucking old.
• 47:53
  Do you? Guys still people like
• 47:55
  excessively quote movies or is it more I feel like you would.
• 48:00
  Hear going on a street more people quote like Vines or Tik
• 48:05
  Toks and you would hear someone quote movies, but you got to
• 48:08
  think like there's a lot of memes made out of movies.
• 48:12
  So in reality, everyone's quoting.
• 48:15
  They're quoting this movie that's a meme now, quoting the
• 48:17
  movie through the. Medium of meme.
• 48:19
  So yes, I've got a, I've got a. Wholesome movie quote story go I
• 48:23
  was a story for. Everything.
• 48:24
  It's a perfect guest. My wife makes jokes about all.
• 48:27
  The time 'cause I have a story for everything.
• 48:29
  Or the other thing is I'll have a song for something like I'll
• 48:33
  say something that's like a quote or like a thing.
• 48:36
  It won't even necessarily be a well known quote, but it'll just
• 48:39
  be something I say and then I'll have a song for it.
• 48:41
  And like the lyric of the chorus is the thing that I just said.
• 48:44
  And we are. Annoyed with it, but.
• 48:47
  Yeah, I have a story for everything, and a lot of our
• 48:50
  conversations start with, I don't know if I've told you this
• 48:52
  one, but blah, blah, blah, blah. I was in Target in Irvine with a
• 48:56
  guy called Pepe who used to be the like roadie guy for bleeding
• 48:59
  through just randomly hanging out and we were quoting dumb and
• 49:05
  Dumber back and forth just randomly look at her face.
• 49:07
  I quote dumb and Dumber. Every single day of my life.
• 49:10
  Look at her eye roll you mean. Yeah, 100%, yeah.
• 49:13
  And I don't even remember what. Quotes we were quoting, but
• 49:15
  we're just literally strolling down the the aisle and Target
• 49:18
  blah blah blah, quoting back and forth and a complete stranger
• 49:21
  maybe like 15 feet ahead of us turns around and looks at us
• 49:24
  like really seriously. And he goes.
• 49:27
  We got no food. We got no jobs, Harper's hands
• 49:30
  are falling off, and we just all lost it.
• 49:33
  That's amazing. Yeah, that was.
• 49:34
  Cute. Bring back quoting.
• 49:35
  Movies to. Strangers in Target, yeah, dumb
• 49:38
  and Dumber every day. Even just dumb shit like I'll
• 49:40
  just for no reason say, oh, big gulps, see you later.
• 49:47
  Yeah, like just any of the like, obscure dumb and dumb.
• 49:51
  Beer Fest was a big one for us. Back in the day, never seen it
• 49:54
  that. Was like what are they called?
• 49:56
  Something lizard. No, I'm not going to remember
• 49:58
  the guy's name, but they did Super Troopers.
• 50:01
  Oh yeah, I mean the Super Troopers.
• 50:02
  Euro trip, Is that the same people?
• 50:04
  I don't know. I can't remember what they were.
• 50:06
  Called but yeah, BFF was like a slightly, excuse me, more
• 50:09
  obscure one, but a lot of good quotes bring back.
• 50:13
  In jokes, bring bring back quoting.
• 50:17
  At the same time that I want the ridiculous T-shirts to come
• 50:22
  back, I want everyone wearing those ridiculous T-shirts to be
• 50:25
  quoting Anchorman at each other. Just bring.
• 50:29
  Me, bring me back to. 2006 Well, there was also a time where.
• 50:32
  You could quote shit like that on the T-shirt.
• 50:36
  You could use samples in before breakdowns or as an intro to the
• 50:40
  song Suicide Silent I. Honestly think the main reason
• 50:45
  for their success was that early stuff where they had the Family
• 50:49
  Guy everywhere and. In the UK, because family.
• 50:51
  Guy was so small, the CD, if anyone remembers CDs, compact
• 50:57
  discs, the compact disc for Suicide Silence.
• 51:01
  First record had all the Family Guy quotes on it, but it
• 51:05
  couldn't be done in America. Oh yeah, right.
• 51:07
  So. And I just remember.
• 51:09
  Because people would go to the shows if anyone doesn't know
• 51:11
  this Suicide Silence. This whole thing was like season
• 51:17
  1 Family Guy quote at the beginning of the song.
• 51:20
  Some Family Guy noise before the breakdown, like the fucking
• 51:24
  kool-aid guy or whatever. Yeah, and those shows were
• 51:27
  massive, and everyone's singing along to those quotes.
• 51:29
  Bring back movie quotes. Bring them back you'll.
• 51:32
  Have a good lawyer I. Guess yeah.
• 51:34
  Fuck yeah. Who had one?
• 51:36
  Parkway had a couple that were big on older stuff.
• 51:39
  What lyrics or. Merch in on the recordings.
• 51:43
  Like on the. Oh, like the actual samples?
• 51:45
  Yeah. They had they had Yipi Kaye.
• 51:48
  Got away with that. You can say.
• 51:50
  Motherfucker, motherfucker, you can't.
• 51:52
  Say the C word. There's one.
• 51:53
  There's one. Band that I was involved with
• 51:56
  who had a movie quote and the record label wouldn't allow it
• 52:00
  they said we're going to get you know, pinged on this sort of
• 52:02
  suit or whatever but we it was so it suited the song so much
• 52:07
  and we really wanted it so we re recorded it we created a new
• 52:11
  master of the movie quote so close to how it actually
• 52:14
  sounded. We got a guy actor, we got a
• 52:16
  girl actor. We What was the quote?
• 52:18
  I can't say you. Can't say we get in trouble, I
• 52:20
  just don't want to redid it. I don't know.
• 52:23
  It's probably. Fine, but.
• 52:25
  OK, can I ask you one? More time to tell me, you can
• 52:27
  probably Google it. What?
• 52:29
  What? What one it is?
• 52:31
  Yeah. It's, you're going to tell me
• 52:33
  now. Yeah.
• 52:34
  Sure, it was one of the songs on.
• 52:37
  There as a hell and it was the I can't remember what they said.
• 52:41
  I feel like my heart has been touched by Grace.
• 52:45
  It was like an intro. Yeah.
• 52:47
  You get what? What?
• 52:48
  Was the movie. I have no idea what the movie
• 52:50
  was just. Remade it.
• 52:50
  Ollie found it. Lights.
• 52:52
  Was the female voice because she did some other singing on the
• 52:57
  record and then I think the guy was like a random crew member on
• 53:01
  warp tour and we recorded it on an M box in the back of the bus
• 53:04
  with like the air conditioner going and everything.
• 53:06
  We've done this. Three times in recent memory
• 53:10
  with Stray, we had the song 3. We had Barney quote at the
• 53:15
  beginning, Barney the Dinosaur, and it's just like a little
• 53:18
  Jingle from Barney. And then the same thing.
• 53:20
  It got through to whoever and they were like, we can't, yeah,
• 53:25
  it's Barney, you can't. Disney owns it where we can't do
• 53:28
  it. So we had the guy from Nightlife
• 53:31
  Redo exactly. I don't know how we did it.
• 53:33
  Must have pitch shifted his voice or something because it's
• 53:35
  children's voices. Sounds like Barney or what?
• 53:38
  It wasn't. It was kids.
• 53:39
  But on Barney and it was like a little piano Jingle and he just
• 53:43
  remade the whole thing. So the version I still practice
• 53:45
  to is actually the Barney quote and then the version is on the
• 53:48
  record and it's played live is the remade 1.
• 53:51
  And so when I'm when I go and play live, I always think
• 53:55
  there's something wrong with like the sample rate on the
• 53:57
  samples because I'm used to practicing to the actual binding
• 54:00
  one. It's just so slightly different.
• 54:02
  And then anything else we haven't, we find a cool quote
• 54:05
  from something and then we get Marissa Putney, Will's wife.
• 54:07
  If it's a girl, she just does it.
• 54:09
  There's like 3 albums in a row now I think where she's just on
• 54:12
  the record. That's awesome to like.
• 54:14
  Circumvent. Some legal thing, yeah, Michelle
• 54:18
  was on. One of the songs, one of the
• 54:20
  drug songs on the record that I was involved with with them, it
• 54:24
  literally it's just like a little whispering, she says.
• 54:26
  Wake up, wake up, wake up. And I recorded that in my
• 54:29
  laundry. Field.
• 54:32
  Recording. Bring that field.
• 54:33
  Recording your spouse? Bring back stupid T-shirts,
• 54:37
  quotes, Just bring it all back. Back to the climbing things
• 54:42
  situation. Unless this is going to ruin
• 54:44
  your two truths and a lie. Any injuries because you've done
• 54:47
  crazy shit, Yeah, it won't ruin it.
• 54:50
  Oh, it's in there. No, no, no.
• 54:52
  That it's not in there. No injuries, but I did almost
• 54:55
  get really badly injured. And I told this story on the the
• 54:58
  Clinic tour as well. But the story was we played a
• 55:01
  show in Finland, a festival, and I tried to do more like what the
• 55:04
  airborne guy did. So I went up and then I went
• 55:07
  across and you could get on top of the beam where he had to like
• 55:10
  hang. So did you sit there?
• 55:13
  Yeah, I was. So I stood.
• 55:14
  And I, like, walked through each little square of the coast.
• 55:18
  Yeah. And I got to the middle and I'm
• 55:20
  like standing on the beam just like a God.
• 55:22
  And I'm like playing the thing. And we had a whole system where
• 55:25
  like we would just ring out continuously.
• 55:27
  Lee would kind of loop his ring out and that would say, you
• 55:30
  ready, Jonah? And then I would, I would kick
• 55:32
  into the lead. Dean would hit my, my FX change
• 55:36
  to like my lead channel. And then after that was like the
• 55:40
  little electronicy drum portion that I went for however many
• 55:45
  bars. And that was my time to get back
• 55:47
  down. And I didn't realize how tricky
• 55:49
  it was getting back. And it was taking me too long.
• 55:52
  And so I got to the top of the, you know, the latter.
• 55:56
  Part. And the song's about to kick in.
• 55:58
  This is an outdoor show. This might have.
• 56:00
  Been a tent. An indoor tent as a festival
• 56:03
  thing. And I could still get up the
• 56:04
  Truss I. Can't remember.
• 56:06
  So I get to the top of the thing.
• 56:08
  The song's about to kick in, and I try to do, like, a cool
• 56:10
  fireman slide, like, down the sides of the ladder, but from,
• 56:13
  like, you know, easily 30 feet. And these trusses have, like,
• 56:20
  horizontal bars and then diagonal bars as well.
• 56:23
  And so I kind of, like, had my feet clamped onto the sides and
• 56:27
  my hands clamped onto the sides. And as I was going down, my
• 56:29
  pinkies hit one of the bars and my hands just came off
• 56:32
  completely. And I free fell for maybe 10
• 56:36
  feet and quickly like grabbed back on.
• 56:40
  Like a cat and. Managed to kind of slide the
• 56:42
  rest of the way down and I wasn't hurt but I could have
• 56:44
  fallen from like 20-30 feet up. Hurt your ass falling out from.
• 56:47
  The fear. Yeah, me.
• 56:49
  But you know we. Did dumb stuff like that all the
• 56:51
  time, like stage diving. Stage diving with guitars could
• 56:54
  have hurt people with the guitar itself.
• 56:55
  I think about this all the time because.
• 56:57
  There's that band Trophy Eyes that got in trouble.
• 56:59
  Yeah, recently. I mean, fucking worse than
• 57:01
  trouble. That girl was like, paralyzed.
• 57:02
  Yeah. And there was a massive
• 57:04
  discourse online of people. Rare, rare there's of people
• 57:09
  being like the venue. Clearly said.
• 57:12
  No stage dives like I'm blaming him.
• 57:14
  And I was like in my head, I'm like, this going to happen to
• 57:17
  any one of us. Like even I've stage dove like
• 57:22
  in and the venue says don't do this and you have like a
• 57:26
  security briefing and everyone's security briefing is like, yeah,
• 57:30
  you don't incite this. You're not allowed to say the
• 57:32
  words but like it's going to happen.
• 57:34
  If it happens, it. Happens and like.
• 57:36
  And people were like dogging on trophy.
• 57:37
  I say he shouldn't have done it. And it's like, would you be?
• 57:41
  Saying the same thing if it was. Like your favorite bands like
• 57:44
  Because everyone's jumped in the crowd.
• 57:45
  Drew's been doing it for years, like everyone.
• 57:49
  Slipknot does it. Everyone, is it not?
• 57:51
  Yeah. Prom played a show.
• 57:53
  Once on the Say Goodbye tour, which was supposed to be our say
• 57:56
  goodbye to her, and that was the the other end of the handshake
• 57:59
  with Bring Me, where they brought us out to the UK and
• 58:01
  then we brought them out to Australia.
• 58:03
  Pure insanity that that lineup was a thing.
• 58:06
  It was I killed the prom queen headline Bring me the horizon
• 58:09
  direct support the red shore. Who is Jamie most recent prom
• 58:13
  queen singer. It was his old band, actually,
• 58:15
  the Red Shore together. Loved that band and then opening
• 58:19
  was The Ghost. Inside, who had only just become
• 58:22
  The Ghost Inside after being a dying dream and hadn't they were
• 58:25
  about to put out that first? I don't know if it's an album or
• 58:28
  an EP, but Fury and the Fallen ones.
• 58:31
  But yeah, they hadn't really done anything crazy other than
• 58:34
  like a few maybe US tours. But Vigil was like a a homie of
• 58:38
  a homie and I needed an opener and he was like, you should just
• 58:42
  put Ghost inside on. And I was like I should, I'd
• 58:45
  heard, I'd heard the release, it was cool.
• 58:46
  And that like kick started them really well.
• 58:49
  But yeah, we played hometown Adelaide and we we actually
• 58:51
  played a nightclub that sometimes would convert into a
• 58:55
  venue as about like 1000 or 1100 cap.
• 58:58
  But all the security were nightclub security, not music
• 59:02
  venue security. So they didn't know what stage.
• 59:06
  Diving was they didn't know the etiquette of like, there's going
• 59:08
  to be people floating. And we had the, the briefings,
• 59:11
  the, you know, the security meetings and everything, but
• 59:13
  they didn't know if people were going to float to the front of
• 59:15
  the thing and then they had to help them get down.
• 59:17
  And they had just never seen anything like that.
• 59:19
  And they used to like, breaking up fights in, you know, drunken
• 59:22
  fights and nightclubs. So they start trying to force
• 59:25
  the the crowd surfers back, like go back that way.
• 59:28
  And then you can't. And they keep coming.
• 59:30
  And then they started hitting the kids, like punching these
• 59:34
  kids that couldn't help but just go forward.
• 59:37
  So. And the security has no idea.
• 59:39
  Yeah. And we played like a strip club
• 59:41
  before and it was like earlier that day.
• 59:44
  Don't know there's no strippers there.
• 59:45
  In fact, earlier that day was drag brunch, which was fun.
• 59:48
  But like, we were like loading into this drag brunch.
• 59:51
  And then same thing as Curry, didn't know what was happening.
• 59:53
  Like Drew jumps in the crowd and you could just see them all just
• 59:57
  going like it was 911. It was in New York actually.
• 1:00:01
  So very much like 911. What's the best non venue venue?
• 1:00:04
  You've played what counts as non venue.
• 1:00:06
  Because like a bar, like a non traditional.
• 1:00:09
  Music venue Something that shouldn't be a music venue, but
• 1:00:12
  you played a show there best for actual.
• 1:00:15
  Show or best like for memory. So the story I guess.
• 1:00:20
  We. Played what was an Irish themed
• 1:00:24
  restaurant in Nairobi, Kenya. Yeah, right.
• 1:00:27
  And it. Was.
• 1:00:29
  Not set up to have shows or anything.
• 1:00:31
  It was called Murphy's Law. No, that was one of the bands
• 1:00:34
  that played. But I'm pretty sure the the bar
• 1:00:36
  was called like Murphy something.
• 1:00:39
  It's Nairobi, like real, real Africa.
• 1:00:44
  And it was just like the most insane same thing.
• 1:00:47
  Like we played at 3:00 AM and then we got a flight the next
• 1:00:49
  day or whatever, but it was like people were there eating dinner
• 1:00:53
  again in China. Done done a restaurant in China
• 1:00:55
  as well where guys last minute hasn't had a show because I've
• 1:00:58
  done a a bar that. Was like, you know, had topless
• 1:01:01
  waitresses during the day and then was a music venue at night
• 1:01:03
  or whatever. Did they remain?
• 1:01:05
  No. Why don't we?
• 1:01:06
  Just let them stay. Let them stay, but I feel like
• 1:01:10
  I've got a couple. And I feel like these are the
• 1:01:12
  cool stories that you look back on with your mates and, you
• 1:01:14
  know, do you remember that time we played that thing that was
• 1:01:15
  this thing when it shouldn't have been a venue?
• 1:01:17
  I have two not from the same tour but almost the same tour
• 1:01:21
  and this was very common in like early mid 2000s U.S. tour.
• 1:01:25
  Like local 16 year old promoter from Fredericksburg, whatever
• 1:01:31
  whichever states had that town. And my first US tour was
• 1:01:38
  Evergreen Terrace, Caliban from Queen and Scars of Tomorrow.
• 1:01:43
  Like an Orange County kind of metal Corps van at the time and
• 1:01:46
  with Josh James in Evergreen. As well, he was my first, the
• 1:01:50
  downward. To you.
• 1:01:51
  Yeah, yeah, amazing. And then there was another
• 1:01:54
  similar tour that were also was I think maybe loosely affiliated
• 1:01:58
  with Eulogy Records somehow happening at the same time.
• 1:02:01
  That was between The Buried and Me, Beloved and Glass Casket and
• 1:02:06
  there was 3 or 4 shows on each to where the the shows came
• 1:02:11
  together and they just combined them into like a mega show.
• 1:02:13
  Love that. And it was like some of the most
• 1:02:15
  memorable shows I've ever experienced.
• 1:02:17
  And one of them, one of them was in like the big hall in Detroit
• 1:02:21
  that was like the upstairs to the Eminem venue where he liked
• 1:02:24
  to be rap that all, whatever that.
• 1:02:26
  One's called. I'm going to remember it.
• 1:02:28
  The Majestic. Is that it?
• 1:02:29
  Probably. It's literally, yeah.
• 1:02:32
  I can't remember the name. Majestic Theatre, I think it's
• 1:02:34
  called. Two of them were real venues.
• 1:02:35
  The other one. Was the original.
• 1:02:39
  It's the one. In Atlanta.
• 1:02:41
  That was big. They had enough.
• 1:02:43
  They had a big upstairs room and a downstairs masquerade.
• 1:02:45
  Masquerade. The original masquerade.
• 1:02:48
  So like those were huge, like 9. 900 cap at the time for a
• 1:02:51
  hardcore show. It was crazy.
• 1:02:53
  But the third one was in. It wasn't a Chuck e cheese, but
• 1:02:56
  it was a Chuck e cheese type. Like kids.
• 1:02:59
  That's a dream, yeah. That's the opposite of an
• 1:03:00
  anxiety dream restaurant. Kids play area and then just a
• 1:03:05
  stage and bands off to the side and BT band shredding kids
• 1:03:08
  playing going down slides and stuff.
• 1:03:10
  That's so sick. What's?
• 1:03:12
  I don't know if you remember was Glass Casket like half of BT Bam
• 1:03:16
  or whether we just they always toured together when that tour
• 1:03:19
  happened. There, it wasn't any of BT Bam.
• 1:03:22
  I know the one guy the guitar player joined.
• 1:03:24
  I don't know if there was another member as well.
• 1:03:26
  Actually. I was sick, yeah.
• 1:03:28
  Glass Casket was awesome. We did.
• 1:03:29
  We did one of those like tours, you know, like you were just
• 1:03:32
  saying like I can't believe that was a tour And it was like Prom
• 1:03:36
  queen, bring me. We did one of those shows where
• 1:03:40
  they combine 2 tours together and the line up it was only, I
• 1:03:43
  think it was 2019, we were playing in town and this other
• 1:03:47
  tour package were playing in town and we were both doing like
• 1:03:50
  I think we're both doing like 900 tickets each and we were
• 1:03:52
  just like, should we just combine?
• 1:03:54
  The shows together. And it was wait for this, it was
• 1:03:59
  not loose straight from the path.
• 1:04:04
  Malevolence. The Devil Wears Prada.
• 1:04:07
  Loathe. I can't remember who else, but
• 1:04:10
  like every single one. Every single.
• 1:04:13
  One of those. Like 5 bands that I mentioned
• 1:04:15
  there now pulls like yeah, 1500 to 3000 people.
• 1:04:19
  Yeah. So like anyone that saw that
• 1:04:21
  show, like that was history. That's one of the ones you see
• 1:04:23
  on like 1. Of those metal core Reddit
• 1:04:25
  threads, it's like what it what's the one like the one
• 1:04:28
  memorable show you? Can never forget.
• 1:04:30
  Kind of thing yeah, that was so sick so yeah, the.
• 1:04:32
  Chuck E Cheese was one, and then we.
• 1:04:33
  Played a Sunday school room of a church.
• 1:04:37
  Wow. And it was prom.
• 1:04:38
  It dies today and Roses are red. Trust kill bands.
• 1:04:41
  Was that in the States or? Was that Australia in the
• 1:04:44
  states? Australia.
• 1:04:45
  Does those cool matinees. I say cool, very loosely cool.
• 1:04:49
  Like it's cool that the kids can go to the shows.
• 1:04:51
  But yeah, it's because some of those are weird.
• 1:04:53
  Some. Of the states have weird liquor
• 1:04:54
  licensing and instead of doing an all ages venue you have to do
• 1:04:58
  a night time over eighteens and a daytime under eighteens which
• 1:05:01
  is weird right because. We're in Tennessee and they have
• 1:05:05
  those sort of laws, but not for live music.
• 1:05:07
  There's a lot of all ages shows. Yeah, but like we went to the.
• 1:05:11
  Ren Fair the. Other day I saw that Renee and
• 1:05:14
  we saw we saw all the people with the.
• 1:05:15
  Ears and the my first Ren. Fair.
• 1:05:18
  It was so safe. You guys are golfed.
• 1:05:20
  Out I was like so. Madison's like a Renfair person.
• 1:05:25
  That's good. Did you say that you're a
• 1:05:26
  Renfair person? I'm a big fan.
• 1:05:28
  And then she was like, do you want to go?
• 1:05:30
  And I was like, fuck you, I want to go.
• 1:05:32
  And I don't think she really believed me that I wanted to go.
• 1:05:34
  So I was getting close and she was like, oh, the Renfair's next
• 1:05:36
  week. And I was like, I'm fucking in.
• 1:05:37
  That's good. I got my outfit.
• 1:05:39
  I got Amazon, my outfit. I was like, you're telling me I
• 1:05:42
  can dress like I'm in Behemoth and walk around the dream.
• 1:05:45
  It was so. Sick but.
• 1:05:47
  Tennessee No, you are you straight edge.
• 1:05:51
  Yes, you're straight edge. I'm not but Tennessee no
• 1:05:54
  drinking. Yeah, at a rent fair.
• 1:05:56
  I wanted need No made no meat. I was gonna.
• 1:05:58
  Say it wasn't even like fake meat.
• 1:06:00
  Homemade, you would. Think that they would be.
• 1:06:03
  Fake meat but there was nothing. Are you vegan?
• 1:06:07
  As well. Vegan traded.
• 1:06:08
  Vegan straight edge How long a. Long time, yeah.
• 1:06:13
  I went. Vegan, I think in like. 990. 9
• 1:06:17
  or 2000 so coming up 2526 years. Technically I've been straight
• 1:06:22
  edge around the same amount of time, but only because I didn't
• 1:06:27
  know what straight edge was until I think 98.
• 1:06:30
  But I was always drug and alcohol free my whole entire
• 1:06:34
  life. Never broke, Not once.
• 1:06:35
  Not in my. Accident.
• 1:06:38
  Which one? Vegan or straight edge?
• 1:06:40
  Either straight edge. I had a sip of champagne when I
• 1:06:43
  was probably like 11 and I was like, oh, this is gross.
• 1:06:46
  And then one time great age. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:50
  What the fuck? Were you just trying to 11?
• 1:06:51
  Fucking popping bottles in the cloud just like a bogan
• 1:06:54
  Christmas party. Nice.
• 1:06:55
  Yeah. And then one time in high
• 1:06:57
  school, everyone was trying to peer pressure super hard.
• 1:07:00
  And my whole thing was I'm very stubborn.
• 1:07:02
  And so once the peer pressure started, I doubled down on the
• 1:07:05
  other end. And just when I'm definitely not
• 1:07:07
  doing it now, but they were like, if you, if you sip a beer,
• 1:07:10
  we'll leave you alone. So I sipped a beer, I had like a
• 1:07:12
  sip and then they left me alone. It was just.
• 1:07:14
  Bullying. Yeah.
• 1:07:17
  Not acceptable. I thought I was happy a.
• 1:07:18
  Happy summer. Story it was It was friendly.
• 1:07:21
  I mean I Drake monster. I actually stopped doing all.
• 1:07:25
  All drugs and now like. I still drink but like.
• 1:07:30
  Not that much, but like how many pots have you smoking?
• 1:07:33
  I can't. I can't do it.
• 1:07:35
  Yeah, I wish I could. That's fucking Bob Marley over
• 1:07:37
  there. I said something to JJ once.
• 1:07:40
  And he was like, man, you're so straight edge.
• 1:07:42
  Like the the thing that I said was the giveaway, but it was
• 1:07:45
  something like, are you guys smoking?
• 1:07:47
  A bod of weed. Or like something like that, a
• 1:07:49
  bod of weed. Yeah, don't do drugs, kids
• 1:07:51
  vegan. Yeah, there's been there's
• 1:07:53
  mistakes. Like there was a European spread
• 1:07:55
  on a tour and they label like this is the vegan deli meats,
• 1:07:59
  this is the not vegan. And someone switched the signs
• 1:08:01
  or something happened and motherfucker and you were like,
• 1:08:03
  this is the best. Yeah, why is it so tasty?
• 1:08:07
  This is the best. V fake vegan meat that I've ever
• 1:08:09
  had you off camera. You said I need to talk about my
• 1:08:14
  guitar, my baby. Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  What's the what's the deal? I mean, it's important to me,
• 1:08:17
  but no one. Else probably cares.
• 1:08:19
  You're a guitarist. This is a music.
• 1:08:20
  Podcast that's true there's a neural.
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  Ad at the. Beginning of this selling people
• 1:08:24
  with wonderful plug insurance. Will they hook me up?
• 1:08:27
  Oh, 100%. I can get it hooked up today.
• 1:08:30
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• 1:08:32
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• 1:08:33
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• 1:08:35
  What a wonderful discount. That isn't 22 ads, isn't it?
• 1:08:38
  Well, it's the. Best discount they do as well,
• 1:08:40
  which is a much sick good for me because everyone will fucking
• 1:08:43
  use it anyway. Tell me about this guitar.
• 1:08:45
  Well, you had just asked me if I had a.
• 1:08:46
  Signature model and I don't and I never have, but I almost did
• 1:08:50
  and that's but that's not really my baby.
• 1:08:52
  So I have been a comparison guitar player since 2005.
• 1:08:57
  Is that the one with the like? Stylized.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah, it's kind of like a cursive and.
• 1:09:02
  They're best known for one of the headstocks is like a point I
• 1:09:05
  want to take an eye. Out with them, I'm there.
• 1:09:06
  It's. Got strings looks.
• 1:09:08
  A little bit like a swan at the top.
• 1:09:10
  It's called the Devil's Tale. Which I was like, yeah, it's
• 1:09:12
  kind of sick. And then Brian Lepke of Bleeding
• 1:09:15
  Through was like, it looks like an ELF shoe.
• 1:09:18
  And I was like, ruined, yeah. But yeah, I found out about
• 1:09:23
  those through the band Soil Work, who I was a massive fan
• 1:09:25
  of. Underneath or Riffers?
• 1:09:28
  Yeah, at best. Dirk from Soil Work is.
• 1:09:30
  Now in Megadeth, I'm pretty sure he was in soil work.
• 1:09:34
  I think he was, yes. So yeah, that's what that was.
• 1:09:36
  My intro to them and at the time they were like this mythical
• 1:09:39
  you, you couldn't find him, you couldn't see him in a store.
• 1:09:42
  He had to search the dark web to find a comparison guitar.
• 1:09:45
  Quite expensive, but I got lucky and I to get endorsed, you had
• 1:09:51
  to tick three boxes. You had to have an album out in
• 1:09:54
  Japan on a Japanese label. You had to play a show in Japan.
• 1:09:57
  Are they Japanese? Yeah, OK.
• 1:09:59
  So the story. Behind them is the the creator
• 1:10:02
  of comparison. The Luthia used to be the
• 1:10:05
  Jackson Custom shop guy back in the 80s for Japan, so there was
• 1:10:10
  good ones. Oh.
• 1:10:12
  And there was an 80s hair metal band.
• 1:10:14
  That played like Shreddy Jackson had to be neon green.
• 1:10:17
  Like, oh, I love those. Well, he created us.
• 1:10:19
  He created. His own finish, it was called
• 1:10:21
  like a sponge finish. And he uses a sponge.
• 1:10:23
  That's the one I'm thinking of, yeah.
• 1:10:25
  And that's it. Looks if it's.
• 1:10:27
  Done well, I mean, they're all done well, but some of them look
• 1:10:30
  a little different depending on the colour way.
• 1:10:31
  But if it's done well, it almost looks like marble.
• 1:10:34
  Yeah, a marble finish. Simon will probably pop one of
• 1:10:36
  these. Up here are we talking?
• 1:10:38
  So Yep, started playing. Comparison got endorsed, went to
• 1:10:41
  Japan, played the show and met the guys.
• 1:10:44
  It's a very small boutique company, but like, you know,
• 1:10:47
  nowadays, 3 to $5000 instruments that I climbed shit with and put
• 1:10:54
  dents in and trashed them. Unfortunately, I got some really
• 1:10:57
  cool customs created. And then Epiphone hit up Bring
• 1:11:01
  Me the Horizon and they were like, we want to do a signature
• 1:11:03
  model for you and Lee. And I was like, yeah, sweet, OK,
• 1:11:05
  but I play this other guitar, like, what about that?
• 1:11:09
  And I probably am one of the rare guitar players that I had
• 1:11:14
  kind of a deal where like I was allowed to keep playing
• 1:11:16
  comparison because I was with them for so long and 1st and
• 1:11:19
  they were my my love. But they were going to let me
• 1:11:22
  have an Epiphone signature. And shape wise, they looked
• 1:11:25
  fairly similar at the time I was playing.
• 1:11:27
  It kind of looks like if if a double cut Les Paul and APRS had
• 1:11:33
  a baby. I remember the guitar, yeah.
• 1:11:35
  It's called the comparison. Angelus.
• 1:11:38
  So I played those. They created me these two really
• 1:11:40
  cool customs. 1 was like a blue flame Maple, one was a red flame
• 1:11:43
  Maple. And then I had this prototype
• 1:11:47
  signature created that was a white, like a gloss white
• 1:11:51
  Epiphone Les Paul double cut. Really cool.
• 1:11:54
  And then the bring me thing happened and I wasn't in the
• 1:11:57
  band anymore and Lee's got made and I had like a prototype of
• 1:12:01
  mine, which I still have. That's cool that you still got
• 1:12:03
  it. Yeah.
• 1:12:04
  A little, a little piece. Of history didn't ask for that
• 1:12:06
  back, no. There was 2 and I got.
• 1:12:08
  To keep one I think the band's management kept one for some
• 1:12:11
  reason put it in their office. But anyway, I continued playing
• 1:12:14
  comparison and fell on hard times at, you know, various
• 1:12:19
  points through music career, as most of us musicians do.
• 1:12:22
  And these guitars like, fairly valuable and they have a very,
• 1:12:26
  like, niche fan base where, like, the fans really know,
• 1:12:29
  like, their value and they love them and they're obsessed.
• 1:12:31
  So I ended up trading my blue comparison that was like my #1
• 1:12:35
  guitar that I played whole career with, bring me with a
• 1:12:39
  buddy of mine for one of his. And then we solidified the
• 1:12:42
  trade. I sold the one that I traded him
• 1:12:46
  and then he sold his. And then my guitar was like, off
• 1:12:49
  in the ether. That's sad.
• 1:12:50
  Yeah. And then?
• 1:12:52
  Ten years later, just like within the last few weeks, I was
• 1:12:55
  thinking, man, I missed that guitar.
• 1:12:57
  Like it was such a piece of my career history and it was such a
• 1:13:00
  cool guitar. I should see if I can track down
• 1:13:02
  who has it. And so I hit up the guy I sold
• 1:13:05
  it to, to see if he remembered who he sold it to and yada.
• 1:13:08
  Ya and I, I found the guy that had it.
• 1:13:11
  He actually has both the red and the blue one.
• 1:13:13
  And as I messaged him on messenger, he was like, oh dude,
• 1:13:16
  I was just about to hit you up. Like I haven't played it in a
• 1:13:18
  year and it's just sitting there.
• 1:13:19
  I was going to see if you wanted to buy it back.
• 1:13:21
  So. So you bought it back?
• 1:13:22
  I bought it back and. I it came.
• 1:13:23
  In the mail, like just before I went to Asia, I didn't bring it
• 1:13:27
  with me because it was like kind of in rough shape and wasn't
• 1:13:30
  ready to play. And I also didn't want to lose
• 1:13:32
  it on an airline or have a break or something.
• 1:13:34
  So. But I'm excited to get it all
• 1:13:36
  kind of set up. And that will be my like #1 on
• 1:13:39
  the prom queen tour. See.
• 1:13:41
  Yeah, I I currently. Have like a bunch of my drums.
• 1:13:46
  Like that? Like a bunch.
• 1:13:47
  Of my snare drums that are like my babies and they've done all
• 1:13:49
  our records and they're like sat in storage in Glasgow and I'm
• 1:13:53
  like, how do I even get those back?
• 1:13:55
  There's a limit to the amount of stuff that I wanted to freight
• 1:13:57
  over and also stuff like that. So what I've been doing is when
• 1:14:03
  we go and. Play Europe.
• 1:14:04
  I pay a guy that lives in Glasgow to go and pick up a drum
• 1:14:08
  for me, take it to one of the venues and every time I've been
• 1:14:11
  flying home with a drum, getting back one by one.
• 1:14:13
  By the end of summer my whole collection will be here because
• 1:14:16
  I've run back and forth so many times.
• 1:14:18
  That's rad. But I checked a kick drum like
• 1:14:22
  as check load, yeah, and it was fine.
• 1:14:24
  It turned up fine. It was.
• 1:14:25
  That's OK. I've had one of mine break.
• 1:14:28
  On on the plane I feel like they fuck with.
• 1:14:30
  Guitars more like everyone I know has got problems.
• 1:14:33
  I had it, it was in a tank flight.
• 1:14:35
  Case like custom fitted foam everything and I opened it and
• 1:14:38
  the head start was just hanging by.
• 1:14:39
  I feel like they must fucking do it on.
• 1:14:41
  Purpose, The amount of things that I've seen that people have
• 1:14:43
  just smashed them up. Yeah, I had another comparison
• 1:14:47
  that. Was a prototype signature model
• 1:14:49
  for Adam Dee that I traded for a guitar amp with his old tech and
• 1:14:54
  I had it for about 5 years and it was awesome and I like it was
• 1:14:56
  all the paint was worn through because it was a full prototype
• 1:14:59
  like 1 paint finish. Really good character, sounded
• 1:15:03
  amazing, super lightweight because of his back problems or
• 1:15:05
  whatever. And then I played it on Beloved
• 1:15:08
  for all the guitar solos. And then I wanted to propose to
• 1:15:12
  my wife. So I found a guy that was like a
• 1:15:15
  comparison super fan, and I sold it to him and used the money to
• 1:15:17
  buy her engagement ring. Classic, Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  Investments. Did you get it for free?
• 1:15:22
  Or did you? Pay for it I I traded it for.
• 1:15:25
  An amp I got it artist price so it was like 1500 bucks yeah
• 1:15:28
  sweet the. Ring cost more than 15 OH.
• 1:15:31
  I know I did, but like. That's that's like essentially
• 1:15:33
  you got a discount on the ring, like if you trace it, that's the
• 1:15:36
  thing. Like we're going to Disney next
• 1:15:38
  week. Oh, I want to get into Star
• 1:15:39
  Wars, Star Wars, Lego man. We're going to Disney, actually
• 1:15:42
  Disneyland Universal. And I was like, I'm happy to pay
• 1:15:44
  for it all. Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  And I was just like, let me just put it on my story.
• 1:15:48
  Does anyone have the hookup? Fucking.
• 1:15:50
  Whole thing hooked up. That's random people that work
• 1:15:53
  at Disney, random people that work at Universal.
• 1:15:55
  And I did have the choice to not tell Madison and to be like, I
• 1:16:00
  got as everything bait. But I was like, you know, I had
• 1:16:04
  to be like, I got this for free, but that's still just the cool.
• 1:16:07
  I guess it maybe it is. Seems cheaper.
• 1:16:10
  You're a cool guy. Is it?
• 1:16:11
  Cool. Is it cool?
• 1:16:13
  To have got it for free or is it cooler if I'd have spent my own
• 1:16:16
  money on it? I think it's cool because you
• 1:16:18
  have connections. Yeah, hot power.
• 1:16:20
  Hot power. The hot, powerful podcast, man.
• 1:16:23
  Yeah. Star Wars.
• 1:16:24
  Star Wars, Lego. How much you got?
• 1:16:26
  Approximately 25,000. Dollars insured.
• 1:16:29
  Value insured, yeah. Insane.
• 1:16:32
  Yeah. What I want to know, I think you
• 1:16:34
  have to look at my notes because I stoked to talk about this.
• 1:16:36
  I want to know what's your favorite one?
• 1:16:38
  And then I want to know if it's different.
• 1:16:40
  What was the hardest one to build the build?
• 1:16:43
  Difficulty is kind of like not even really a consideration
• 1:16:47
  really or just a pro there's. Stuff that.
• 1:16:49
  No, I mean, there's stuff. That's annoying.
• 1:16:50
  Like a lot of the technique, like the big technic cars and
• 1:16:53
  stuff, I'm sure are kind of a punish to build, but the build.
• 1:16:57
  For me is. Like the meditation, it's like I
• 1:17:01
  just zone out and it's like there's something Zen about it.
• 1:17:03
  And is there music on it? Depends.
• 1:17:06
  Actually, my favorite thing to do is to there's another there's
• 1:17:09
  a YouTube that does speed builds.
• 1:17:11
  He'll time lapse the builds and it'll just feed 1 into the next
• 1:17:14
  into the next and he's this guy from.
• 1:17:18
  Austria or something he has. Really bad honesty, yeah.
• 1:17:24
  I didn't realise this at first with my.
• 1:17:25
  Wife and I watching with our kids and he has really bad
• 1:17:27
  plaque all in his teeth. Oh no, for a YouTuber.
• 1:17:31
  Yeah, that should be taxed. That's.
• 1:17:33
  Me that should be taxed deductible.
• 1:17:35
  He yeah, he looks. Unfortunate I guess in a way,
• 1:17:39
  but his video is a great production and so you just
• 1:17:42
  German honesty. The Austrian.
• 1:17:44
  Yeah, you just Austrian honesty. That's what you get.
• 1:17:47
  I love your. Videos you have very.
• 1:17:49
  Bad videos, your breath, your dentist that's fucking.
• 1:17:54
  Insane, yeah. So yeah, I'll put that on or.
• 1:17:56
  No music. It's just like, yeah, it's it's
• 1:18:00
  like a Zen thing for me. OK What's your favorite
• 1:18:02
  connection to childhood as well? You know, really.
• 1:18:04
  You got like the Star Wars soundtrack.
• 1:18:06
  Going on while you do it, that's what I'd do.
• 1:18:08
  Maybe some lo fi. Lo fi Star Wars.
• 1:18:11
  Yeah, that's a vibe. Sick.
• 1:18:13
  My favorite is probably what most people would consider their
• 1:18:17
  Star Wars Lego White Whale, which is 2003's 10123 set Cloud
• 1:18:24
  City. And it came out, I think, as a.
• 1:18:27
  Walmart exclusive at the time and it wasn't very popular.
• 1:18:30
  And it's kind of a big awkward build.
• 1:18:32
  And I wasn't a fan of like the really old clunky looking Star
• 1:18:36
  Wars stuff for a while. And now I kind of appreciate it
• 1:18:38
  more. But yeah, it was like one of the
• 1:18:41
  only sets to feature at the time, arm printing and leg
• 1:18:45
  printing and belt printing, which is like a huge deal in the
• 1:18:49
  a fall community. What's a fall?
• 1:18:52
  Adult fan of Lego. Wow, Yeah, you've got an
• 1:18:54
  Instagram. What's your Instagram for?
• 1:18:56
  Tattooed. A fall.
• 1:18:57
  Tattooed. A fall, Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  So, right, Cloud City. So you've got Lando there,
• 1:19:02
  obviously. I'm so glad I'm already married,
• 1:19:04
  by the way. Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Wow, you locked out. There's no.
• 1:19:06
  Points on this I. Mean you're pretty hot.
• 1:19:10
  Cloud City, what you got? Boba is the one.
• 1:19:12
  Boba is the. One you want boba is the one
• 1:19:14
  that has ARM printing. Like printing.
• 1:19:16
  The minifigure loan goes for anywhere from 1000 to $2000.
• 1:19:21
  Holy shit, what? Is there any vehicles there or
• 1:19:24
  is it just Cloud City? It's like a.
• 1:19:27
  Yeah, it's like a gape, like a scene it has like Vader.
• 1:19:32
  Is it that scene? It's.
• 1:19:33
  Got Vader, it's got Stormtrooper.
• 1:19:34
  Lando layer in her kind of like the dressy thing.
• 1:19:38
  Hot. Is she hot as Lego?
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, there's actually. There's a layer, a slave layer
• 1:19:44
  they did that's pretty hot, got some cleavage and stuff that
• 1:19:47
  Legos got cleavage. But then they changed.
• 1:19:49
  It the newest one they put her in like little booty shorts
• 1:19:52
  instead of like woke like a thong type.
• 1:19:55
  They woke up find my Lego. Oh.
• 1:19:57
  No, there's funny stuff like that with Lego.
• 1:20:00
  That people complain about because it's like, is that movie
• 1:20:02
  quality? But they're, you know, they're a
• 1:20:04
  family friendly brand and I just have fun.
• 1:20:07
  No one's jerking it to. Lego kits how?
• 1:20:12
  Do you know Oh. And.
• 1:20:14
  The a fog community you fucking. You can see how fucking dead.
• 1:20:19
  Simon No. Simon, that's in.
• 1:20:21
  That's in That's my podcast, My fucking rules.
• 1:20:25
  I'll jerk it to slave layer. In fact, the word slave is
• 1:20:30
  probably worse than me jerking it at this point.
• 1:20:33
  My wife, Michelle. Made my dreams come true about a
• 1:20:36
  year ago. She wore the slave layer outfit.
• 1:20:39
  Really. Yeah, it's allowed to be in the.
• 1:20:40
  Podcast and keep it in there. Yeah, it's good for you, bro.
• 1:20:43
  Was it your birthday? No, just random.
• 1:20:46
  Tuesday. Yeah, I get the old random
• 1:20:48
  Tuesday, but I had had. Probably been pestering her
• 1:20:51
  about it for maybe 8 years so and it was just like, you know,
• 1:20:54
  as an afterthought and then just finally happened.
• 1:20:56
  Good for her for not doing it for eight years.
• 1:20:59
  Locked in? Yeah.
• 1:21:00
  I'm on the marriage. I want the kids.
• 1:21:01
  Slave layer. Now you get the slave layer.
• 1:21:03
  Yeah. It sounds like we're saying
• 1:21:04
  slave labour. We're not, No.
• 1:21:07
  Anyway, I'm back on Cloud City because I love Star Wars.
• 1:21:10
  Yes. Does it have the little?
• 1:21:14
  Place where? C3PO and R2D2 are getting fucked
• 1:21:18
  up. That's in cloud city isn't it?
• 1:21:20
  They're like C3PO is like half the whatever.
• 1:21:23
  So I have two cloud cities, the original. 1 is pretty basic and
• 1:21:27
  it has it's like a long scene and then there's like the
• 1:21:30
  landing pad for slave one behind it.
• 1:21:34
  Why are we saying slaves so much?
• 1:21:36
  Carry on, you have to call it. Boba's ship now, but really?
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, Lego. Started calling it Boba's.
• 1:21:41
  Ship and Django's ship is there like a anti woke.
• 1:21:45
  Lego community probably. Probably, but there's there's a.
• 1:21:49
  There's a YouTube. That has a problem with
• 1:21:51
  everything that's always complaining about that little
• 1:21:53
  lesson the the clones have helmet holes in them, for the
• 1:21:57
  for the record. Guys, I'm just doing a bit when
• 1:22:00
  I say woke, it's it's funnier to me to say the word woke when
• 1:22:03
  things happen. I don't really care about
• 1:22:05
  anything. You could you could change it.
• 1:22:08
  You could not change it. I don't care.
• 1:22:10
  Anyway, I derailed. I'm talking about Cloud City.
• 1:22:13
  My my favorite Star Wars. The new one has it.
• 1:22:15
  It's big. It's like.
• 1:22:16
  This big circular playset, it has the little rooms and it has
• 1:22:19
  the little Droid dismantling, but it's not worth.
• 1:22:22
  As much as the 2003? Nope.
• 1:22:25
  Are they worth? The same.
• 1:22:26
  Built. Do you keep all the boxes the
• 1:22:28
  value if you really? Want like if you're a collector
• 1:22:31
  and you either want to retain the value, it's like sealed in
• 1:22:34
  the box. You never even open it in terms
• 1:22:36
  of fucking sneakers. Yeah, I'm a wearer.
• 1:22:39
  Yes, I'm a wearer. I wear our sneakers.
• 1:22:41
  You're a player. And I.
• 1:22:43
  Yeah, I love to. I love to play with Lego.
• 1:22:47
  Building, yeah, I don't. Know I do you ever play with it
• 1:22:51
  one thing I. Do say.
• 1:22:53
  Which is I frowned upon, but I just it's cuter is I call them
• 1:22:57
  Legos, which I never did as a kid.
• 1:23:00
  I was always Lego. Yeah, but I think what Americans
• 1:23:02
  called. It Legos America, do you call it
• 1:23:05
  Lego or Legos? Settle the debate.
• 1:23:07
  If you were talking about like I.
• 1:23:08
  Think and don't overthink it. Just tell me that you're going
• 1:23:11
  to a room to play with your not Legos.
• 1:23:16
  Legos. Yeah, America.
• 1:23:18
  Calls it Lego, but it's that's grammatically incorrect.
• 1:23:20
  It's not because yeah, the plural is Lego.
• 1:23:23
  Which means vinyl, Lego means. Play well in Danish.
• 1:23:28
  It's does it so you play with Lego.
• 1:23:30
  Fuck you. Both they're in shit you're
• 1:23:32
  playing yeah you playing with Lego.
• 1:23:34
  That's about it on the on the on the Lego side of things, it's
• 1:23:37
  fun. I mean, I how do you feel about
• 1:23:40
  IKEA furniture as a Lego man, I can see like the.
• 1:23:45
  Yeah, there's. A connection there.
• 1:23:47
  But do you like, enjoy making an?
• 1:23:48
  IKEA because I've not paid it. I hate it so much.
• 1:23:52
  There's no smiling faces, there's no Leah's Princess
• 1:23:55
  Leia's fucking boobs on there. There's just have some cool
• 1:23:57
  stuff. But yeah, it's not.
• 1:23:58
  The same I love the shit afterwards.
• 1:24:00
  Don't. Get me wrong, I didn't realize
• 1:24:02
  for the longest. Time that you could be an adult
• 1:24:04
  and like Lego, I only got, I got back into it in 2019, kind of
• 1:24:08
  like COVID era. Yeah.
• 1:24:10
  And I just, you know, everyone's locked inside and then Michelle,
• 1:24:14
  my wife had bought me this little set for Christmas or
• 1:24:17
  something and then I was like, ha, I enjoyed that it took Me 2
• 1:24:21
  seconds to build and I'd always wanted the Death Star.
• 1:24:23
  You know the big we always feel like I, I haven't.
• 1:24:26
  Done Lego since I was a kid but the Lego Death Star is so sick
• 1:24:30
  and for some reason I just didn't.
• 1:24:32
  Think you could be an adult and be into Lego and then it's
• 1:24:35
  illegal? I don't know it's.
• 1:24:36
  Just like not. Cool, you know, but then I
• 1:24:39
  bought myself the Death Star and I, my son, I think at the time
• 1:24:42
  was like 1. So he was like coming into Lego
• 1:24:44
  age in the next few years. And now we bond over it.
• 1:24:47
  We build together. He's got his little collection.
• 1:24:49
  I got mine. My daughter has her collection.
• 1:24:51
  That's so cute kids is such. A good excuse to do that stuff
• 1:24:54
  as well. Like just be like, I'm going to
• 1:24:56
  do this for the kids. It's like actually it's for me.
• 1:24:58
  There was a guy who put. One of the big sets, like the
• 1:25:01
  big Millennium Falcon or something on his wedding
• 1:25:03
  registry. And his wife okayed it but said
• 1:25:05
  you have to wait till we have kids to open it and build it.
• 1:25:08
  And it, like, catalogued the whole story.
• 1:25:10
  And he finally had the kids and they were finally old enough and
• 1:25:12
  they cracked it out and built it.
• 1:25:14
  That's cute. Yeah.
• 1:25:15
  Heaps cute. Oh, LEGO's cute.
• 1:25:17
  Maybe I'll get some Lego. You should.
• 1:25:19
  We've got a Lego Death Star. Where is the have you like you
• 1:25:24
  haven't. Wait, wait, wait.
• 1:25:25
  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is the Lego.
• 1:25:27
  Death Star on. Display Yes 5 gold records not
• 1:25:30
  on display Lego Death Star. Is it hanging off at a place?
• 1:25:35
  Yeah private place. I put a lighting kit on it.
• 1:25:37
  You. Turn it on, the lasers flash and
• 1:25:39
  stuff. Are you serious?
• 1:25:41
  I need AI need a photo of that. I need you to send me a photo of
• 1:25:43
  that so you can pop that up there, but like it's so funny
• 1:25:47
  you don't have those gold discs. I know I should.
• 1:25:49
  I just. Like I got to put the hole in
• 1:25:51
  the wall and figure out where they go.
• 1:25:52
  You had to build a Death Star I. Can move the Death Star around.
• 1:25:56
  If I put it in the wrong place and then I got to like, move it
• 1:25:58
  somewhere else, it's like a hole in the wall from Queen's back.
• 1:26:02
  What are you doing? Sort of, yeah.
• 1:26:04
  So we what do you? Mean sort.
• 1:26:06
  Well, we. Kind of.
• 1:26:07
  Didn't really ever go away. We did.
• 1:26:09
  We did call it quits at one point.
• 1:26:11
  That's going away, my friend. Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  And then we. But then we.
• 1:26:14
  Came back and then the second time we went away.
• 1:26:17
  We weren't like, well, we're breaking up again.
• 1:26:18
  We were just like, you know what, let's take a break and
• 1:26:22
  everyone's getting married and having kids and we're not going
• 1:26:24
  to a full time through all that. So we just sort of let it be a
• 1:26:28
  thing. And Fast forward to now, we've
• 1:26:32
  decided it's been 25 years since the ban was born.
• 1:26:37
  Seems like a good, nice round Number to get back together and
• 1:26:39
  do something. We tried to get some reunion
• 1:26:42
  stuff going a few years ago and for various reasons it just
• 1:26:44
  didn't really happen. But yeah, so we threw something
• 1:26:47
  together. It's the, we're calling it the
• 1:26:54
  classic line up or something because technically it's not the
• 1:26:57
  original line up because we had a million members before the
• 1:26:59
  band really like kicked off. But it's the technically the
• 1:27:03
  original line up on all the releases.
• 1:27:05
  So it's me on guitar, Kev, Kevin Cameron on guitar, JJ Peters on
• 1:27:11
  drums, which is exciting because I need to see this.
• 1:27:14
  I don't think he's. Touched a drum in a minute.
• 1:27:16
  I'm sure he'll kill it, but I. Need to see it and you know he's
• 1:27:19
  crushing it with. His other stuff.
• 1:27:21
  And then Crafter, original vocalist on vocals.
• 1:27:25
  And then Sean Kennedy, who is our original bass player, passed
• 1:27:29
  away sadly. And so Jamie Hope, who was our
• 1:27:32
  most recent vocalist, is stepping in on bass in Sean's
• 1:27:35
  place. RIPSK, Yeah.
• 1:27:38
  That's sad. He's a good boy.
• 1:27:40
  So yeah, we're doing. We started off with six dates in
• 1:27:43
  Australia's capital cities. Think like 14-15 hundred cap
• 1:27:48
  rooms on average. Probably should have held
• 1:27:50
  upgrades, but we didn't think it was really going to do that
• 1:27:52
  well. And then none of the upgrades
• 1:27:54
  were available. So now we're doing 12 shows,
• 1:27:57
  just double shows in all the venues.
• 1:27:59
  Nice. That's the most part.
• 1:28:00
  Back to. Back.
• 1:28:02
  No, that's the, that's. The that sucks you got showed
• 1:28:04
  out. The best thing ever is when you
• 1:28:07
  do double. There might be, I think.
• 1:28:08
  Melbourne's Melbourne's a double, yeah.
• 1:28:10
  Sydney and Brisbane are now the weekend before it was going to
• 1:28:12
  start. Are you going to do any?
• 1:28:14
  Europe any festivals to be determined to be.
• 1:28:18
  Determined because you're definitely get.
• 1:28:19
  Offers. Yeah, we we still have to gauge.
• 1:28:21
  That I think people didn't really take it seriously until
• 1:28:25
  the Aussie stuff was announced and now we're starting to get
• 1:28:28
  some interest. You're in the US, Southeast
• 1:28:30
  Asia, very interested. And then yeah, Europe.
• 1:28:33
  I mean some Europe festivals only would be really cool.
• 1:28:36
  I'm about to do them next week. I.
• 1:28:37
  Wanna bring to fam Rockham? Ring for the first time,
• 1:28:39
  actually. Damage Ever.
• 1:28:41
  Yeah, Never. Yeah, never even been.
• 1:28:43
  I think I've been with architects.
• 1:28:44
  Architects played about. I was drum tech in.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah, right. I think I did it twice.
• 1:28:48
  With bring me and maybe once with bleeding through but I
• 1:28:50
  don't you'll never get through who we.
• 1:28:52
  Clash with who's like the? Number one.
• 1:28:56
  Band in heavy music that you would not wanna clash with right
• 1:28:58
  now. Sleep token?
• 1:28:59
  Yep. Fucked.
• 1:29:01
  But their set is 90. Minutes and we're scheduled for
• 1:29:05
  an hour and it's like 30 minutes into our set that they start.
• 1:29:11
  So we're just going to play a 30 minutes out.
• 1:29:13
  Oh, smart. And we're just going to go now.
• 1:29:15
  We're done. My wife will be in the crowd at
• 1:29:17
  sleep. Token, sorry to say.
• 1:29:18
  Really. What?
• 1:29:19
  At Rockham Room? No.
• 1:29:20
  Not really much, she just loves them.
• 1:29:21
  Yes, every. Every fairly smart reader loves
• 1:29:24
  them. Every fairly smart fairly.
• 1:29:26
  Smart over there sleep token fan we didn't even get started on
• 1:29:29
  fairly smart. Listen, I'm so.
• 1:29:32
  On board with their success, like I saw yesterday, they're on
• 1:29:36
  track to get billboard #100% and like.
• 1:29:39
  Out. Selling the Last Lip Night
• 1:29:41
  album. Wow, which?
• 1:29:43
  Is crazy. I listened to the record over
• 1:29:46
  the. Last few days with Michelle and
• 1:29:49
  it's like. There's so many.
• 1:29:50
  Things about that band that just, it makes sense that
• 1:29:54
  they're killing it. Like we were talking about the
• 1:29:56
  Spotify algorithm and it's like, imagine you're a very smart
• 1:29:59
  reader and you've just discovered Sleep Token and you
• 1:30:02
  want more like that. And so you want the algorithm to
• 1:30:04
  serve you other stuff. There's nothing really like it.
• 1:30:07
  Like, not to a tee like you will be now.
• 1:30:10
  Sure. Yeah.
• 1:30:11
  But. Now you might get a a spirit.
• 1:30:15
  Box or like. Something that's going to be
• 1:30:17
  more on the heavy side or you might get like a the weekend or
• 1:30:20
  something that's more on like the sexy side.
• 1:30:22
  But there's no there's no sexy heavy crossover which I coined
• 1:30:26
  the phrase. Badly called for this genre,
• 1:30:28
  right? Yeah, and I don't know because I
• 1:30:30
  haven't I'm relatively tight with three and nearly says
• 1:30:34
  fucking actual name. I haven't got confirmation of
• 1:30:36
  this, but in on the new record fuck me, I nearly said Vessel's
• 1:30:40
  name as well on the new record. He literally refers to someone
• 1:30:45
  as a baddie in the song and I'm like like a nod or I.
• 1:30:49
  Don't. I don't know if it's a.
• 1:30:50
  Nod or it's just like, but in my head it's like Nostradamus like
• 1:30:53
  that is now it's baddie cool, it's law, it's law, it's.
• 1:30:57
  Now. Cannon, it's baddie.
• 1:30:59
  Cool. That's cool.
• 1:31:01
  Good for them, good for those guys.
• 1:31:02
  You've got to give me a 2 truths and a lie.
• 1:31:04
  OK? Unless you want to talk about
• 1:31:05
  fairy smart. I don't know anything about it.
• 1:31:07
  She reads it me. This just reads it.
• 1:31:08
  I started. Reading it just to be like in
• 1:31:11
  the loop. But yeah, yeah, the cool thing,
• 1:31:13
  the really cool thing, and I'm going to toot my own horn real
• 1:31:16
  hard right now, is Lego Fairy Smart.
• 1:31:18
  Guitar my wife and all their friends are reading.
• 1:31:20
  It and all the friends are like, oh man, I wish my husband was
• 1:31:23
  like, you know, so and so Reese and or whatever.
• 1:31:27
  And Michelle, do you know who that is?
• 1:31:29
  Who is that? Who is it?
• 1:31:30
  My favorite? Who is?
• 1:31:32
  I wish she was like Cassian. Who are these?
• 1:31:34
  Who are these people? A Court of Thorns and.
• 1:31:36
  Roses what? She's on Acatar.
• 1:31:39
  She's a beginner. She's at the first.
• 1:31:40
  What series? But what is that?
• 1:31:42
  Is that human? Beings is it very?
• 1:31:44
  They're very with bat wings. Right, some are bat wings.
• 1:31:46
  Rising does, right? Rising on is.
• 1:31:49
  And there, that is hot. No wonder that's your favorite.
• 1:31:52
  So like the fairies fuck and they just write about it or
• 1:31:55
  what? No, a lot of it's.
• 1:31:57
  Like fantasy story, which is why she said I would really enjoy
• 1:32:00
  it. It's not all like smarty horny
• 1:32:02
  stuff, but but yeah, she's like you kind of like already do a
• 1:32:05
  lot of the stuff that the fairies do.
• 1:32:07
  And I'm like, all right, they play Lego.
• 1:32:10
  All of the how horny? How horny is this?
• 1:32:12
  What are we talking? There's one of the books.
• 1:32:16
  The one of the books. Where the smart doesn't happen
• 1:32:17
  to like the last centimetre of the of the book, the first book
• 1:32:22
  there's like. None.
• 1:32:23
  Basically lot of the second book I heard has significantly more
• 1:32:28
  and then from there it goes like goes up and then there's less as
• 1:32:33
  the story continues, my understanding.
• 1:32:35
  Do they have like? Fairy cocks and shit talk about
• 1:32:39
  their fairy cocks in this one I don't think.
• 1:32:41
  There's anything too crazy, but there's other ones I've heard
• 1:32:44
  about where they have. They do this thing called
• 1:32:46
  knotting. Look at you.
• 1:32:48
  Come on, Madison I. Want you to explain nothing.
• 1:32:50
  You're so new to this. Yeah.
• 1:32:51
  You don't want it you. Don't want to explain knotting.
• 1:32:54
  Can you just pull it up then and just read it so it doesn't come
• 1:32:56
  from your brain? Read it from.
• 1:32:58
  Wikipedia Listen, if it doesn't involve kids, we're.
• 1:33:00
  Good. She's fucking freaking out.
• 1:33:01
  Come on, get me knotting. It's not that crazy, is it?
• 1:33:05
  Knotting sounds like they're. Tying.
• 1:33:07
  Let me guess what it is. Tie their little fairy bits
• 1:33:12
  together. Kind of.
• 1:33:13
  It has to do with connecting. With someone connecting.
• 1:33:16
  Read me that. What's the?
• 1:33:17
  Description of knotting. Just swarming.
• 1:33:20
  So uncomfortable. I.
• 1:33:21
  Really am OK so. It comes from the alpha verse
• 1:33:27
  where? They're.
• 1:33:29
  Like usually werewolf type creatures, I didn't even know
• 1:33:33
  that we're teetering into or so I didn't know it I didn't know
• 1:33:37
  that. Much about.
• 1:33:39
  It doesn't because it started off with when male dogs come
• 1:33:46
  their penis and and gorgeous Oh. Yeah, and it's called the Knot.
• 1:33:52
  And so it's when the alpha, when he the alpha, is the fairy.
• 1:33:57
  The fairy man it might be. A distance might be a werewolf.
• 1:34:01
  OK, it's not the fairies that have.
• 1:34:04
  It's usually the werewolves and the alphas, but it locks the
• 1:34:08
  female in place and your wife. Says that you do this.
• 1:34:14
  That's not my move. Specifically, no, it's not a
• 1:34:16
  different move. The knot, Yeah, the knot.
• 1:34:18
  I could probably pull off a. Knot, thanks for that, Madison.
• 1:34:21
  It's also not like at. All, come on, you've got more
• 1:34:24
  you've got. More.
• 1:34:25
  That's what gets you going, is it?
• 1:34:27
  That's where I'm going wrong. It's just I mean.
• 1:34:30
  You're some werewolf. It it.
• 1:34:32
  Was originally an animal. There's a Gentiles knotting OK.
• 1:34:38
  Knotting. Yeah, well, we've.
• 1:34:40
  All learned. Something new.
• 1:34:43
  Would you like to give me two truths?
• 1:34:44
  And I like, yeah, I'm bricked up over here thinking, thinking
• 1:34:47
  about knotting. Fuck yeah.
• 1:34:49
  Yeah, Here, let. Me check.
• 1:34:50
  My notes. You've got notes.
• 1:34:51
  I got notes. OK, we can do an edit while I'm
• 1:34:54
  not. OK.
• 1:34:59
  I'm a fucking. Not so hot it.
• 1:35:00
  Is pretty cool though. There's like.
• 1:35:01
  Stuff specifically in there that they'll do that's like, oh, it's
• 1:35:04
  so hot that he does this and Michelle's like you do that.
• 1:35:07
  You did that before I read the book.
• 1:35:08
  I really want that band guys, I guess.
• 1:35:10
  Are just. Perverse.
• 1:35:11
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:35:12
  Is it like? Is it basic band guy 101?
• 1:35:15
  Kinda, yeah. These people just got boring.
• 1:35:18
  People know tattoo isn't Lego you need to get.
• 1:35:21
  You need to get yourself. Throat tattooed, plays with
• 1:35:23
  Lego. That guy's going to knot you.
• 1:35:25
  That guy's going to knot you real good.
• 1:35:28
  All right. The voice of reason, all right.
• 1:35:31
  Let's get off that. So 2 truths and a lie with Jonah
• 1:35:37
  hit me #1. My band I Killed the Prom Queen
• 1:35:43
  played a show in Southeast Asia, more specifically Malaysia, and
• 1:35:49
  we finished our set and stepped off stage and 20 or so
• 1:35:54
  undercover agents came out of nowhere, some of them wearing
• 1:35:58
  Prom Queen merch, and arrested us and put us in an unmarked van
• 1:36:04
  and whisk whisked us off to some building and locked us in a jail
• 1:36:09
  cell for a weekend where we slept with cockroaches and hiss
• 1:36:14
  on the floor and very poor third world type conditions.
• 1:36:20
  For not having. The correct work visas nice #2.
• 1:36:24
  #2. When I was a child living in
• 1:36:28
  ulladulla, which is a place in Australia South of Sydney, I was
• 1:36:32
  scouted to be AI Don't. Want to say child actor but.
• 1:36:37
  I was featured in a couple TV commercials as a kid and the
• 1:36:41
  most famous one was for Vegemite, which everyone fucking
• 1:36:45
  Aussie knows. That one OK all.
• 1:36:47
  Right #3 #3. Playing a show with I Killed the
• 1:36:51
  Prong Queen, I really needed to poo while I was on stage and
• 1:36:57
  instead of holding it or pooing my pants, I told the band to
• 1:37:01
  give me a couple minutes. I would let them know when I was
• 1:37:04
  ready to start the song and having all wireless gear, I went
• 1:37:08
  and found a venue bathroom and started pooping and I made the
• 1:37:11
  signal and then we started playing the song and I played
• 1:37:14
  from the toilet while doing a poo.
• 1:37:16
  Wow. Yeah, now.
• 1:37:18
  There's some things here I think #3 is true, I know.
• 1:37:25
  Number one is. True.
• 1:37:26
  OK, Yeah, that was because I. Remember it happening.
• 1:37:29
  Newsworthy. Let's start then.
• 1:37:32
  Start with Vegemite. Yeah.
• 1:37:34
  How old were you at this time during the career portion?
• 1:37:38
  Of my child acting, I was between 5:00 and eight years
• 1:37:41
  old, five and eight years. Old How many ads did you do 3
• 1:37:47
  What were they? One was a like a.
• 1:37:49
  Mattel toy line thing, but for something I wasn't interested as
• 1:37:53
  a kid. 1 was Vegemite. I feel like work, yeah.
• 1:37:56
  One was. Vegemite and 1 was like a school
• 1:37:59
  lunch product thing. Like Dunkaroos wasn't Dunkaroos
• 1:38:03
  but it was something like that. What do they make you do?
• 1:38:05
  For which one? For all of them, let's.
• 1:38:06
  Go. Vegemite.
• 1:38:08
  What do they make you do? The song has it's like.
• 1:38:10
  There's a whole song with it. Happy little Vegemite.
• 1:38:13
  So paradise where I can be. We all and we do.
• 1:38:15
  Our veggie might have breakfast, lunch and tea.
• 1:38:17
  Mommy says we're going every single week.
• 1:38:19
  We all enjoy our veggie. Might we?
• 1:38:21
  Something like that. It puts a rose on every cheek.
• 1:38:25
  There's a rose. And I just had to sing the song.
• 1:38:26
  Nice. Yeah.
• 1:38:28
  It's like the Vegemite, you know, black.
• 1:38:30
  What did you do? What was the?
• 1:38:34
  You can't remember the. Mental toy at all it was like
• 1:38:37
  might have been like. Ring Raiders or something.
• 1:38:39
  Remember those? It was.
• 1:38:41
  Like a ring. With like a clear little plastic
• 1:38:43
  posable bar off it and then a little aeroplane and you could
• 1:38:47
  make them fly around in your hand.
• 1:38:48
  Oh yeah, I remember who. Got the money from you doing
• 1:38:52
  that? You have to have it put in.
• 1:38:55
  How to forget what it's called in Australia, but here in the
• 1:38:57
  States it's called a Coogan account.
• 1:38:59
  So when you're a kid, you have you can't get paid the money, so
• 1:39:02
  your parents have to set up a bank account.
• 1:39:03
  And then it gets like, really, your parents can't steal the.
• 1:39:06
  Money either yes, and I always would joke to Michelle.
• 1:39:09
  That the one he was a Steve Coogan account.
• 1:39:10
  True. And she's talking about Steve.
• 1:39:12
  She knows who. It is but.
• 1:39:13
  Yeah, watched Tropic Thunder yesterday.
• 1:39:15
  Steve Coogan. I only just remembered yesterday
• 1:39:18
  he dated Courtney Love for a minute.
• 1:39:20
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:39:21
  Crazy. Anyway, big up.
• 1:39:22
  Steve Coogan like my number one comedian on Yeah.
• 1:39:25
  Do you remember how much you got paid?
• 1:39:29
  I'm sure it wasn't apes, but probably like. 2500 at the time,
• 1:39:33
  and then by the time you with. Inflation.
• 1:39:35
  Yeah, inflation. By the time you actually.
• 1:39:36
  Got that money, Peanuts. OK, I'm going to move on this
• 1:39:41
  poo that you did Malaysia. You said.
• 1:39:44
  No, the Pooh one was Oh no. Malaysia.
• 1:39:46
  But where was the Pooh? Where did the Pooh happen?
• 1:39:48
  I think it was. Toowoomba in Australia, but it
• 1:39:52
  might have been another similar small town somewhere in
• 1:39:54
  Queensland. Can't remember headlining.
• 1:39:58
  Yep. What was the year?
• 1:39:59
  You know. Roughly. 2016 I think. 16 is the
• 1:40:05
  return. Yeah, solid.
• 1:40:10
  Liquid. I don't know if I remember the.
• 1:40:13
  Consistency of the faeci. But I do remember the distinct
• 1:40:19
  feeling of having to coordinate my hands and thoughts and play a
• 1:40:24
  song. And there's a level of
• 1:40:27
  coordination it takes to squeeze a poop out.
• 1:40:29
  There's the push, there's the cut.
• 1:40:30
  And both of them happening. Simultaneously was really weird.
• 1:40:33
  It was almost like. Almost like.
• 1:40:35
  A new pedal. Yeah, new.
• 1:40:37
  You got all the tap dance. You got your delay, you got your
• 1:40:40
  reverb, you got your toilet sharp machine, the toilet pedal.
• 1:40:44
  All right, I'm just going to solve this now.
• 1:40:46
  And what I think is solving it, I think #3 is the lie.
• 1:40:51
  Because in my opinion, no one's leaving the stage for like a
• 1:40:56
  normal solid poo unless you're a psycho like you, you would have
• 1:41:00
  remembered in my in if there was like life or death water toilet
• 1:41:06
  situation. In my opinion, I would say
• 1:41:08
  that's the lie because you do have the sort of face that I
• 1:41:10
  could imagine being one of those little child actors.
• 1:41:14
  And also, I kind of hope that's true so I can get the video of
• 1:41:18
  it, so I can find that video. And then number one, I know is
• 1:41:22
  true because I remember it happening.
• 1:41:24
  Yeah. And that happened in 20. 15 Am I
• 1:41:27
  correct number one? Is true.
• 1:41:29
  I got locked up in Malaysia along with the band #2.
• 1:41:33
  Vegemite actor is false Mother fucker you look.
• 1:41:36
  Exactly like the sort of kid that would do that.
• 1:41:38
  I know that would be so cool they did.
• 1:41:40
  Vegemite did tweet me once now like love being on tour with
• 1:41:43
  you. #3 doing. A poo while playing a full song
• 1:41:47
  off the stage in the public toilet of the venue is
• 1:41:51
  absolutely true. Absolutely true.
• 1:41:53
  How was this? Headstock do you have to like
• 1:41:55
  play it like field even corn so and this is the funny.
• 1:41:58
  Part I have so many poo stories from tour like all weird ones
• 1:42:01
  and my wife's like don't tell poo stories people love a poo
• 1:42:03
  story yeah I. Worry about it first.
• 1:42:05
  I went to the guy's toy. She's reading about knotting
• 1:42:08
  and. She's like don't do the poo
• 1:42:09
  story, do the one do the one about the.
• 1:42:11
  Wolf. And his knotted penis.
• 1:42:13
  Sorry, carry on, the guy's. Toilets first.
• 1:42:16
  It was absolutely blown up. I'm like, there's no way I'm
• 1:42:18
  even setting foot in there. And this is all like time
• 1:42:21
  sensitive because the band's like, what the fuck is he doing?
• 1:42:24
  And so I went to the women's toilet, made sure there was no
• 1:42:27
  one in there, went into the toilet, locked myself in there.
• 1:42:30
  I did a little. On the strings it's like
• 1:42:33
  because. I we had in ears.
• 1:42:35
  I could hear everything. I was like, is ready.
• 1:42:38
  Yeah. And so I did the little I'm
• 1:42:41
  ready and they someone hit start on the playback because we were
• 1:42:44
  playback by then had everything, wireless clicks, guitars,
• 1:42:47
  everything. And yeah, I just hooped because
• 1:42:51
  I like I would have straight shat my pants if I didn't go
• 1:42:55
  right then and there have tummy issues.
• 1:42:58
  So you lied to me? Yeah, it's an IBS situation.
• 1:43:02
  Yeah, well, I guess. You just didn't want to tell me
• 1:43:05
  it was an. IBS situation you wanted to seem
• 1:43:07
  cool. I do solid poos guys.
• 1:43:09
  I don't have an idea that's a solid poo like a.
• 1:43:12
  Solid like a no. Like a Yeah, you know, I don't.
• 1:43:15
  I mean, I don't. Have them Oh really often.
• 1:43:18
  So for you. It was.
• 1:43:18
  Normal for me it'd be fucking life or death, but that's where
• 1:43:21
  there was another. There was another cool detail.
• 1:43:23
  I'm like mid poo and making these weird string noises.
• 1:43:27
  Same tenants. Carry on.
• 1:43:28
  Yeah. And I hear a little.
• 1:43:31
  Are you OK in there? And it was another girl.
• 1:43:33
  I don't know if she thought I was a girl or if she knew it was
• 1:43:36
  me. I don't.
• 1:43:36
  Yeah. Do you need any paper she may
• 1:43:41
  imagine? If she knew it was you, she's
• 1:43:43
  just been an ass. I'm OK, I'm OK.
• 1:43:47
  Full song. Full song.
• 1:43:49
  Full song. How did you?
• 1:43:50
  Wipe. At the end of the song, just
• 1:43:51
  wait as the. Song was done, did the whole
• 1:43:53
  thing over. Wiped and then you.
• 1:43:56
  Climbed it like a. Stage out that way, climbed out
• 1:43:59
  of the bowl, anything. Memorable from.
• 1:44:01
  Probably the most harrowing one of those stories, although that
• 1:44:03
  sounded quite harrowing. How long were you in jail?
• 1:44:07
  A little under. Two full days.
• 1:44:09
  Fuck me. Yeah, I do.
• 1:44:10
  Remember it happening and everyone being like,
• 1:44:14
  considerably worried for you? Yeah, we were bummed I had my
• 1:44:17
  phone. On me in the van ride and I
• 1:44:19
  managed to fire off some like voicemails and texts to
• 1:44:22
  Michelle, my parents. I got them to tell me the
• 1:44:26
  address of where we're going just because I it was unmarked.
• 1:44:29
  They one of them had a shirt that said police like AT shirt
• 1:44:32
  had police on it and that was it.
• 1:44:34
  That was the only like, you didn't even know it was real
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  police, I thought. We could have been getting.
• 1:44:38
  Kidnapped, they have guns, organ harvesting, I don't remember,
• 1:44:41
  but people definitely were wearing the merch though.
• 1:44:42
  We were getting processed in the little detention centre and the
• 1:44:45
  guy was like I love you Ben, by the way, great.
• 1:44:47
  I love you Ben. Oh, and.
• 1:44:48
  There's a depressing for two years.
• 1:44:50
  There's a depressing point too. So we ended up getting It was
• 1:44:53
  all sweet. Monday morning rolled around,
• 1:44:55
  woman from the consulate turned up she's like get him out of
• 1:44:58
  cuffs. I need to talk to these guys.
• 1:44:59
  I need to like have one-on-one time with them.
• 1:45:01
  And we figured out very quickly it was like the promoter had
• 1:45:04
  done a sketch on us and they actually immigration.
• 1:45:08
  Realised he. Was trying to do a sketch and
• 1:45:11
  then they it was too late to get the permit, so they're trying to
• 1:45:14
  get a bribe out of him and he didn't want to pay the bribe.
• 1:45:17
  So he lied and said the show wasn't going to go ahead, he
• 1:45:19
  just wasn't going to have the Aussie ban.
• 1:45:21
  The show went ahead. They kicked everyone out, made
• 1:45:23
  it look like the show was done. And then we like, secretly set
• 1:45:26
  up, but which we were told that was normal, like, oh, this is
• 1:45:28
  how we do it here. Yeah, we've done this.
• 1:45:30
  Sketchy shit and so we played. Guys in shirts and arrested us,
• 1:45:34
  but the weird part was so we'd spent two days in the cell,
• 1:45:37
  really crappy conditions. A bunch of other people locked
• 1:45:40
  up too for like similar, not music, but like there's a
• 1:45:43
  security team that got brought in from Nepal or something and
• 1:45:46
  didn't have permits. And then we're kind of getting
• 1:45:49
  processed to get checked out and like sent back on the plane back
• 1:45:53
  home. No.
• 1:45:54
  What do you call it? No.
• 1:45:57
  Record or anything? They just kind of like wiped it,
• 1:46:00
  but then one of the guys comes in and goes, hey, guys, we've
• 1:46:02
  got a little rehearsal room back here.
• 1:46:03
  Like this is kind of where we jam out when we're on our lunch
• 1:46:05
  break and stuff. Do you guys want to play us a
• 1:46:07
  song? We were like, so sad and hungry
• 1:46:11
  and just wanted to go home. And we were like, no, that's OK.
• 1:46:14
  And they're like, Nah, come on, play us a song.
• 1:46:16
  Go on, it's so even. Earlier when you said about your
• 1:46:19
  Singapore tour, yeah, your Southeast Asian tour, and you
• 1:46:22
  were like the guy who just like, slightly pushing too much to get
• 1:46:25
  you to play the song. It's just what it's like there.
• 1:46:28
  Go on, play as a song. So we played a song.
• 1:46:31
  And it was like the saddest song with, my God, we didn't even
• 1:46:35
  have our shoes back yet. We're like bare feet.
• 1:46:37
  We're sending this drum kit there as well.
• 1:46:39
  Yeah. Full full rig.
• 1:46:40
  I mean like. Pretty crappy stuff, but like,
• 1:46:42
  yeah, fucking so Jam Room in the Kuala Lumpur Immigration Center.
• 1:46:47
  Oh my God, what was the? Was it Kuala Lumpur?
• 1:46:50
  Yeah. Where the show was?
• 1:46:51
  Yeah. Was it that that like shopping
• 1:46:54
  mall where the venue's on the top floor?
• 1:46:57
  Yeah, I played there probably without a visa.
• 1:46:59
  I will never be back, in fact. Definitely without a visa.
• 1:47:02
  Yeah, well, you got lucky. We had.
• 1:47:03
  Played a great show it didn't have.
• 1:47:05
  AC it was pretty mental. Yeah, we're done.
• 1:47:08
  Thanks. Hey.
• 1:47:09
  If you're in Australia. Go and see.
• 1:47:11
  I killed the Prom Queen's tour. Yeah, This October, check out.
• 1:47:15
  China. On all your socials is what's
• 1:47:19
  your Lego? Give me a real one and then your
• 1:47:20
  Lego one. My real one I just have.
• 1:47:23
  Facebook and Instagram at Jonah Weinhoffen and Lego one my Lego
• 1:47:28
  Instagram This is just a small thing but it's my passion.
• 1:47:33
  Tattooed a fall at Tattooed a fall AFOL and then this extra 1.
• 1:47:38
  Is AT Tattooed Notter and that is on DH.
• 1:47:44
  I'm not going to say the name of the website, but you can catch
• 1:47:46
  him nodding there. Thank you mate, that's obviously
• 1:47:49
  a joke. Love you.
• 1:47:50
  Thank you mate, love you. Let's get some dinner.