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Meet Justin Cotler: The Underdog Leader With Two Podium-ready Athletes · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  what is going on everybody welcome
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  to the Clydesdale Media Podcast.
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  Today we have with us none
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  other than the incomparable,
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  amazing CrossFit coach
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  Justin Kotler and my
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  co-host Jamie Latimer.
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  And we're going to talk
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  about all things quarterfinals,
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  the Danielle documentary.
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  We're going to get to all that stuff.
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  But we're right in the
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  middle of team quarterfinals.
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  Workouts came out yesterday.
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  You are living right in the
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  middle of it right now.
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  I think your teams did some
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  workouts already today.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Actually.
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  We've, some of the teams have done,
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  actually,
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  I think all of them have done one,
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  the first one, with a muscle up one.
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  And then we had a couple of
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  them wanted to go a little
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  bit differently.
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  So they did two and then
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  another one did three, you know,
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  so you had the dumbbell
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  snatch workout and then the
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  wall ball workout.
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  So I've gotten to see those three.
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  So I have a pretty good feel.
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  We haven't done the fourth one yet,
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  the deadlift shoulder overhead.
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  But, yeah, I have opinions.
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  And, you know, it's been good to watch.
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  And it's weird with these long, you know,
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  periods that you have.
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  The scoring windows, oh, my God,
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  it's just like –
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  I wish it would have been
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  two days for the first
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  scoring period and two days
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  for the second.
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  It doesn't need to be more
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  than that with four workouts.
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  It's overkill.
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  These teams,
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  you don't need to be repeating workouts.
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  I mean, come on.
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  So that part of it is annoying.
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  But honestly, it's like –
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  you know, it's pretty stressless for the,
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  you know,
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  because they're doing a workout.
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  You can take a day off if
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  you want to do another workout,
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  take a day off doing a, I mean, it's just,
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  you know,
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  like for scheduling and stuff like that.
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  And for training where you
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  want people to continue to train,
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  you know, it's a,
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  it's a bit of a pain in the butt.
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  So I think this is,
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  this has been one of my pet
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  peeves for a while.
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  I don't think CrossFit
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  listens to the right people.
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  You know, a couple people complain,
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  I got to work.
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  You can't put the window
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  during the work week.
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  But we all go to a CrossFit
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  class in the middle of the
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  week all the time.
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  These workouts do not take
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  more than an hour.
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  There's no tape on the floor.
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  There's no, like,
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  you don't need six days to
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  do four events.
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  No, absolutely not.
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  Like,
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  you're overcorrecting something that
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  wasn't a problem.
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  Yeah, correct.
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  I felt like the scoring
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  windows were fine in the
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  past couple of years.
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  I think they overcorrected
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  because obviously they went
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  from 10% to 25%.
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  But at the same time,
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  what are we trying to do here?
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  The ultimate goal of the CrossFit Games,
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  and I understand the community and stuff,
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  but the ultimate goal is to
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  find the fittest
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  individuals in the world.
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  they're going to find a way
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  to get the workouts done no
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  matter what the scoring windows are,
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  you know?
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  So ultimately you're serious about it.
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  Well, for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  So, so I'm, you know,
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  I don't think that was necessary.
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  I'm not looking forward to
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  it for individuals at all.
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  I'm not looking forward to
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  age groups and individuals
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  at the same time, especially for us,
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  when you've got a camp,
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  you've got a lot of people in person.
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  It just, it,
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  it's hard to, it's hard to do time-wise.
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  Um, but even more so than that, it's just,
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  just, you know,
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  like you want to have
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  focused attention on athletes and people,
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  you know what I mean?
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  Like it is it so that, that I don't love,
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  um, but it is what it is, man, you know?
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  And, and so we're in it now and, you know,
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  we're, we're getting it done.
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  And, um,
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  The workouts were interesting.
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  A bit different than I feel
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  like they have been.
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  Obviously, without the floor plans,
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  I think they're trying to
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  be more inclusive.
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  I think they're trying to
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  take into account
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  you know, the, the ease of,
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  of doing it for whatever
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  affiliates you're in or, you know,
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  wherever you are, as far as not making,
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  you know, not doing handstand walks or,
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  or shuttle runs or things like that.
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  You know, my, my thing though,
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  is it's hard to judge
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  workouts when you haven't
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  seen the full test.
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  And when I say the full test,
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  I mean like what's coming
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  up in semifinals, because you
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  you would hope that the
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  qualifying events are
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  placing the right type of
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  people and athletes in the next stage,
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  right?
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  So I worry a little bit
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  about the fact that we're not seeing
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  Any really heavy barbells,
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  especially Olympic weightlifting,
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  we're not seeing other than
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  ring muscle-ups and not a
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  lot of high-skill gymnastics.
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  I'm curious to see what that
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  looks like at semis.
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  I think that obviously will
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  expose some people and some teams.
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  But at the end of the day, listen,
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  the top 10 teams in the
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  East and the West and
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  various other places,
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  they're going to get through.
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  So your best teams are going
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  to get through for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  I think you're safe to say
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  that on the team side,
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  I think on the individual side,
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  it might be a different story.
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  Worried about the individual side.
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  I don't know how you have a quarter.
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  Now, listen,
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  the individual workouts could
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  be completely different.
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  But from what we've seen here,
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  if it's similar,
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  where we're talking about
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  not a lot of skill, not very heavy,
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  more engine capacity, right?
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  More of that type of...
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  I worry a little bit because
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  take a look at semifinals last year.
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  The programming, even the last two years,
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  it's been very skilled and challenging,
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  heavy.
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  first of all,
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  I hope it's not four workouts.
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  I hope there's five or six
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  scored workouts for quarterfinals, um,
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  to get to semifinals,
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  especially with the cut
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  down fields in Europe and North America.
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  I mean, this is a big stage.
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  You know, there's a lot of,
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  if it's similar to what
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  we've seen now with the teams,
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  you're going to see some
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  big name athletes who don't get through.
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  Uh, and, and, um,
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  which happens, you know, year to year.
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  But, you know,
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  I think I'm hoping that
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  we're not looking at it like, oh,
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  we need to make it
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  inclusive because there's
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  25% where in my opinion, no,
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  like we did that in the open.
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  what we're doing now is we've got to,
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  we've got to, you know,
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  step it up and we've got to
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  create tests that,
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  so we're sending the right
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  athletes to semifinals,
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  you know what I mean?
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  So that, that to me,
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  but I'm curious to see what, you know,
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  what it's going to be.
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  And then obviously we won't
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  know per se until semis,
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  because we get to semis and,
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  Quarters, you know,
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  basically it has absolutely no link.
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  Like it's not an evolution.
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  Then, you know,
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  we'll all throw our hands up and be like,
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  what the hell is going on here, you know?
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  So, yeah, I'm interested,
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  interested to see.
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  But the workouts themselves are fine.
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  I don't have an issue with the workouts.
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  Excuse me.
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  Especially workout one, which was a bear.
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  I think a lot harder than people expected.
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  Very, very challenging.
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  And, you know.
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  So you're hitting all my pet peeves,
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  right?
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  What's that?
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  You're hitting all my pet peeves.
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  Because workout one is the
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  type of workout I want to see in person.
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  Yeah.
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  It's cool.
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  It was cool to watch.
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  And I also think that it's
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  one of those workouts going in,
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  you feel very differently
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  coming away from it than
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  you did going in.
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  I don't think people thought,
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  I don't think people
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  expected to break down.
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  I don't think they
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  necessarily looked at the
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  numbers and said, oh, you know,
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  like I also think there's
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  there's different ways to
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  strategize it now that I've seen it.
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  That that, you know, I would strategize.
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  I think we would strategize
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  a little bit differently
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  after watching one group do it, you know.
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  But that's cool.
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  I like that.
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  the issue now is though the
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  scoring window is so big that, you know,
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  you, you get the opportunity to do that.
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  I wish they didn't, you know,
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  I mean like that's,
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  I feel like that's fine for the open,
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  but I think beyond that, you know,
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  that it should be tight
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  enough that you're not able to repeat,
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  or if you do, you're really punished,
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  you know,
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  like you can't recover well
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  enough to be able to do as
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  well on the next ones.
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  So yeah,
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  know but that that's
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  probably my favorite one of
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  the four um the other ones
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  honestly are just kind of
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  like whatever um I i
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  watched the snatch one
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  today it's it's not
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  honestly for for athletes
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  that would be at
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  semi-finals it's not that
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  it's okay it's not that bad
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  which is fine it doesn't
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  have to be bad doesn't have
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  to brutalize you um but
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  again I just felt like it's
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  kind of a kind of an open
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  style you know it doesn't
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  I felt like we could step
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  that up for quarters and
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  make it a little bit more interesting.
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  Uh, and then the wall ball workout,
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  you know, everyone does, you know,
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  people do a lot of interval training.
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  There's a ton of rest in there.
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  Uh, you're able to attack it pretty well.
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  I, I think you're going to see, uh,
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  very similar times, uh,
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  from the top teams.
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  There's not a lot of
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  separation there for the,
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  for the top teams.
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  It's going to be, you know, minuscule, um,
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  uh,
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  And I like to see workouts that,
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  that create a little bit more separation,
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  you know, where you're like, Oh fuck,
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  they're good.
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  You know, like, you know,
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  that team is good.
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  I think we will see that on
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  the first one though,
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  because I think you're
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  going to see some teams,
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  especially the teams that
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  are like stud muscle ups and who,
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  you know, who can go and,
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  you know,
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  and get 20 around and hold that like, wow,
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  that's going to be fun to watch.
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  And you probably see a couple of teams and,
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  you know, one 90 plus or 200 plus,
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  which is,
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  freaking phenomenal, you know,
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  and I expect that we will see that,
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  you know,
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  probably from the usual suspects
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  that I'm sure we're all thinking about.
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  I mean,
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  Noah's popping into my head is
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  going to kill that.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, you know, it was Matilda and Lena.
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  I mean,
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  they're all great at ring muscle ups.
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  So, you know, as long as they,
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  as long as they strategize correctly,
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  which I'm sure they will,
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  they should be able to, you know,
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  murder that workout.
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  For that number three,
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  would you have preferred to
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  see either strict handstand
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  push-up or even wall walks?
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  I feel like the breakdown in
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  wall walks and the time
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  that it takes if you aren't
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  speedy could have been separated.
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  I think at this stage,
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  kipping handstand push-ups
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  are ridiculous.
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  I don't think they should be
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  in this stage unless you're
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  doing deficit.
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  I would have been fine with a deficit.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I'd have been fine with a two-inch deficit,
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  which we've seen in
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  quarterfinals before when
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  we had that lunge workout a
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  few years ago.
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  Walking lunges with kipping,
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  walking lunges, kipping deficit,
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  walking lunges strict.
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  I would have been fine with that.
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  But I feel like the fact
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  that you're alternating partners,
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  strict absolutely would have been fine.
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  I don't think that would
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  have been an issue at all.
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  Uh, and if it is fine, like I don't,
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  that's there,
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  there needs to be some separation.
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  Like you need to punish some
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  people for not, you know, like for,
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  for not having the skills
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  or the capacity to be able
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  to handle something like that.
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  Uh,
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  cause you can't tell me we're going to
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  have a workout at, I mean, I don't think,
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  I don't think we're going
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  to have a workout at semifinals.
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  It's got 50 kipping handstand pushups.
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  I mean, that's a joke.
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  You know, everyone will,
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  will go unbroken or they'll go, you know,
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  30 come down 20, you know, it's just,
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  it's not hard enough.
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  Um,
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  So but deficit, I think,
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  would have done the job for sure.
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  I also am just tired of the
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  nine foot target, you know, for women.
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  I just I mean, I'm like enough already.
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  And and I also think that, you know,
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  the row,
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  while it's nasty at the end and you go,
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  I'm always a fan of
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  calories instead of instead of meters,
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  just like that.
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  in the in these stages um
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  but uh but it was fine I
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  mean I you know I watched
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  it and and it was fine
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  there were very for good
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  teams there's just very few
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  places that hold you up I
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  mean you're basically
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  you're basically just
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  smashing the whole workout
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  and then it's just going to
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  come down to a few seconds
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  of who rose faster and and
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  and your transitions on
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  handstand push-ups because
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  you do have to transition a
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  little more on the second
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  set of handstand push-ups
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  after that fifth the 50 wall balls
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  It's coming off the wall ball,
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  so you'll have to
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  transition a little bit more.
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  But generally speaking,
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  it's going to be real tight at the top.
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  So when you say fine and you
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  go up an octave,
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  it leads me to believe
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  there's a little stank
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  behind whatever you're
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  thinking about these workouts,
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  but we'll let that go.
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  No, I don't.
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  I just think at this stage,
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  you have to make it –
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  You have to prepare people
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  for what they're going to
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  see in the next stage.
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  You have to get athletes who
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  will be able –
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  To do the movements, you know,
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  to perform the movements at
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  the next stage and not go
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  in and stare at a wall.
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  Nobody wants to see that, you know.
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  So ultimately speaking,
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  I just feel like that's, I mean,
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  last year,
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  think about what you had at semis.
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  Seated legless with a legless descent.
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  For teams, just you had that.
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  You had strict wall-facing
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  handstand push-ups.
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  You had a ton of ring muscle-ups.
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  You had handstand walks with pirouettes.
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  I mean,
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  you had very challenging high-skill
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  bodyweight movements.
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  We have none of that in this.
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  Like, zero.
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  Zero.
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  I mean,
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  are we still calling a ring
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  muscle-up a high-skill
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  gymnastics movement at this point?
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  I don't think so.
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  I think that's just – it's
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  like a bar – same thing.
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  I also think that we're at
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  the point now where –
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  you know, if I don't want to go backwards,
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  you know,
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  like you've seen these really
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  cool movements last year,
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  like we should be building
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  on those things.
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  You know,
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  it's kind of like where I used to
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  feel like you'd see it at
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  the games and then you'd
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  see it at semifinals the next year,
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  right?
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  You'd see it at the games,
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  you'd see it at semifinals.
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  And then maybe a year or two later,
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  you might even see it in the open,
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  something like that.
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  You know, we saw it in,
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  in what we saw in semis in
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  the games last year, we're not seeing in,
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  in quarters at all you know
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  um so we'll see we'll see
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  you know what that means um
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  the workouts themselves are
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  fine I don't have an issue
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  with them what I have an
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  issue with is is you know
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  if we're planning on doing
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  some of the same things we
• 15:52
  did in semis in the games
• 15:54
  next year then I have an
• 15:54
  issue because I just don't
• 15:55
  think it's hard enough yeah
• 15:58
  I feel like so many of the teams are
• 16:03
  they almost like are going
• 16:04
  to walk in at this point.
• 16:05
  It's 60% of the teams that
• 16:06
  sign up are going in.
• 16:08
  I mean,
• 16:08
  you could make it harder and there
• 16:10
  might be teams that get a
• 16:12
  few reps kind of like open
• 16:15
  for individuals that just
• 16:17
  kind of sneak in just
• 16:17
  because there wasn't a
• 16:18
  whole lot of competition.
• 16:20
  Absolutely.
• 16:21
  Yeah.
• 16:22
  I totally agree with that.
• 16:24
  But I think...
• 16:26
  So my thought process is like, I,
• 16:29
  I'm not looking at it in
• 16:30
  the matter of like how many teams or who,
• 16:32
  which teams I'm looking at it more from,
• 16:34
  from like the programming
• 16:37
  of an event or a programming of a,
• 16:39
  of a competition tells a story.
• 16:42
  And so the, the,
• 16:44
  the evolution and the
• 16:45
  progression starts in the open.
• 16:47
  Then it goes, builds to quarters,
• 16:49
  then it builds the semis,
• 16:50
  and then it builds to the games.
• 16:53
  Um, my concern is that, you know,
• 16:55
  and I'm not saying we
• 16:56
  should be doing seated legless in,
• 17:00
  in quarters,
• 17:01
  but should we not be touching a rope?
• 17:03
  What if there's a ton of
• 17:04
  stuff on the rope?
• 17:05
  Should we not be touching
• 17:07
  handstand walking?
• 17:08
  What if there's the ramp and high level,
• 17:11
  you know, uh,
• 17:13
  should we not be doing
• 17:13
  strict handstand pushups?
• 17:14
  What if there's strict deficit?
• 17:16
  You're going from kipping
• 17:18
  now to strict deficit.
• 17:19
  Do you understand what I'm saying?
• 17:21
  So I just feel like the progression,
• 17:23
  I don't see necessarily the
• 17:25
  progression that I would love to see.
• 17:27
  But that's just my opinion.
• 17:31
  I'm sure that if you speak to 10 other...
• 17:35
  you know, coaches or quote unquote experts,
• 17:38
  you know,
• 17:38
  they're going to give you 10
• 17:40
  different opinions.
• 17:42
  That just happens to be mine.
• 17:43
  And I generally look at
• 17:45
  programming an event as an evolution,
• 17:48
  as a progression, it should progress.
• 17:50
  And, you know,
• 17:52
  from qualifying stages to
• 17:53
  the competition stage.
• 17:56
  And I feel like we already had the open.
• 18:00
  which was super basic and it was fine.
• 18:03
  But now I just feel like we
• 18:05
  could have stepped it up a
• 18:06
  little bit with some of these movements.
• 18:08
  Yeah.
• 18:09
  I do feel like – I feel like
• 18:12
  for teams specifically,
• 18:14
  like I've heard a lot of people say,
• 18:15
  we've hinged a ton.
• 18:16
  Like we're doing more deadlifts.
• 18:17
  We're doing more dumbbell snatches.
• 18:20
  And in my mind, like for teams, yeah,
• 18:24
  maybe like –
• 18:26
  eight of your athletes in
• 18:27
  your affiliate did that and
• 18:28
  put the score up.
• 18:29
  But of the four that are
• 18:31
  going to be on your team, did they do it?
• 18:34
  We kind of do need to retest it.
• 18:36
  Right.
• 18:36
  And I also think,
• 18:37
  what if this is the year of the deadlift?
• 18:39
  What if at semis we see 405
• 18:41
  and 275 pound deadlifts?
• 18:43
  And at the games we see the 475,
• 18:43
  315 again.
• 18:44
  So that would make sense to me,
• 18:45
  where you're going from
• 18:53
  the, the open to quarters.
• 18:56
  You know what I mean?
• 18:57
  Like I'm just saying maybe it's the,
• 18:59
  you know,
• 18:59
  Dave loves deadlifts and I think
• 19:01
  Dave is probably more in
• 19:02
  control now of things.
• 19:04
  So the way that I look at it
• 19:05
  is maybe it's the year of the deadlift,
• 19:07
  you know?
• 19:07
  So you're going to see at each,
• 19:09
  at each stage, you know,
• 19:11
  an evolution of a deadlift workout,
• 19:15
  which I'm fine with.
• 19:16
  I'm totally fine.
• 19:17
  I have no issues with that whatsoever.
• 19:20
  I'm a bit surprised we're not seeing,
• 19:24
  a heavier barbell, you know,
• 19:27
  clean or snatch or overhead
• 19:29
  squad or something a little
• 19:31
  bit more skilled with a barbell.
• 19:33
  But maybe we're not going to
• 19:34
  see that at semis.
• 19:36
  Perhaps we're not.
• 19:36
  You know,
• 19:37
  we had that year that was all dumbbells,
• 19:39
  right?
• 19:39
  I mean, so maybe that's coming.
• 19:41
  I mean, you know, you never know.
• 19:43
  Um,
• 19:43
  so it's hard to really give
• 19:46
  constructive criticism
• 19:47
  without knowing the next stage.
• 19:50
  Um, but my, my inclination or my, you know,
• 19:53
  I have a sixth sense a
• 19:54
  little bit that we're
• 19:56
  probably going to look back
• 19:57
  on some of this and be like, Hmm,
• 19:59
  could have done that a
• 20:00
  little bit differently
• 20:01
  knowing what we know now.
• 20:02
  So that's kind of it.
• 20:05
  So to wrap up this team thing,
• 20:08
  one of the handful of
• 20:10
  things that makes teams
• 20:11
  hard to follow for the
• 20:13
  season is we don't know
• 20:14
  who's on the teams.
• 20:15
  Nobody has to declare – you
• 20:17
  don't have to declare until
• 20:18
  you go to semis or – it's
• 20:21
  something goofy like that.
• 20:22
  Well, you got six, so you can –
• 20:26
  you've got but it doesn't
• 20:27
  have to be the same group
• 20:28
  from quarters doesn't have
• 20:29
  to be the same group at
• 20:31
  semis doesn't have to be
• 20:32
  the same group at the games
• 20:34
  um it just has to be four
• 20:36
  of the six so as you know
• 20:38
  you can kind of mix and
• 20:39
  match in that so so you
• 20:41
  have two teams in vegas
• 20:43
  three three yeah we have
• 20:45
  three in-house teams so I
• 20:48
  have rhino service dogs yep
• 20:51
  And that I have a question about.
• 20:53
  Yeah.
• 20:53
  So big fans of CJ and Mitch.
• 20:56
  Yeah.
• 20:57
  Those are two of my favorite dudes ever.
• 20:58
  Yep.
• 21:00
  So I've been following them.
• 21:01
  They made a post with Ava
• 21:03
  George and Carson.
• 21:04
  Yes.
• 21:06
  yet on the open leaderboard,
• 21:08
  Carson doesn't appear, and it's Kyra.
• 21:12
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  Kyra's going individual.
• 21:14
  Kyra's going individual.
• 21:16
  Kyra's the alternate.
• 21:17
  So she was on – of the six,
• 21:20
  she had better scores,
• 21:22
  but Carson is doing quarters.
• 21:26
  Carson will do semis.
• 21:29
  And, you know, they're like –
• 21:33
  a team they, they, you know,
• 21:35
  Carson would do the games too.
• 21:36
  So yeah.
• 21:37
  Okay.
• 21:37
  That was just of the six that were,
• 21:41
  you know,
• 21:42
  the six that you have to declare, uh,
• 21:45
  on the team and I'm sure
• 21:47
  that's all over the place
• 21:48
  because I I think in a
• 21:49
  couple of scores that even
• 21:51
  down at peak did Monica
• 21:52
  have a couple of the scores
• 21:54
  that that uh I'm sure yeah
• 21:56
  I mean I think it's
• 21:57
  everywhere I think you'll
• 21:58
  probably see um you know I
• 22:00
  think Kristen Holt that had
• 22:01
  some scores for Oslo uh
• 22:03
  even though she's not I
• 22:04
  don't think she's gonna be
• 22:05
  on the team I may be wrong
• 22:06
  maybe she's on the team
• 22:07
  But I think she probably,
• 22:09
  if she's competing,
• 22:09
  she's probably competing in the Masters,
• 22:12
  I would think.
• 22:13
  If she's competing,
• 22:14
  I don't know if she is.
• 22:16
  But anyway,
• 22:17
  I think you're going to see
• 22:18
  that a lot of places.
• 22:19
  And then obviously the
• 22:21
  athletes that go individual
• 22:22
  go individual.
• 22:23
  And then, you know, you'll see the,
• 22:26
  you'll probably see like
• 22:27
  the real team this week and
• 22:30
  then at semis for sure.
• 22:32
  So you guys actually only
• 22:36
  put six on your roster for
• 22:38
  each of those teams, correct?
• 22:39
  Yeah.
• 22:40
  Yeah.
• 22:41
  So you guys did it the right way.
• 22:42
  I appreciate that.
• 22:44
  Were there people who put more?
• 22:47
  Oh, yeah.
• 22:47
  There's people who put like 30.
• 22:50
  And you honestly have no clue.
• 22:53
  There's no restriction.
• 22:55
  If your affiliate's only
• 22:56
  putting together one team,
• 22:57
  it's just the best scores
• 22:58
  from your affiliate.
• 23:00
  Wow.
• 23:02
  You have multiple teams,
• 23:03
  so you have to separate them out early.
• 23:05
  Yeah.
• 23:07
  But like Peak,
• 23:08
  I think they only have one team.
• 23:10
  So anybody who works out
• 23:11
  there can contribute to the score.
• 23:13
  Well, listen,
• 23:14
  if anybody beats Noah or Tola,
• 23:15
  I guess that got more power to them.
• 23:18
  I can't imagine that that's happening.
• 23:20
  But like Annika could beat.
• 23:22
  Yes.
• 23:23
  Right.
• 23:23
  For sure.
• 23:24
  I mean,
• 23:24
  she did on the majority of the workouts.
• 23:27
  So then I have Rhino CrossFit dogs.
• 23:30
  They,
• 23:31
  is it a form of the team that went
• 23:33
  last year?
• 23:34
  That's just Roth.
• 23:35
  Who's still on that team.
• 23:36
  So I have Roth and Nikita.
• 23:38
  Yep.
• 23:40
  Most of the scores were Allie.
• 23:42
  Is she going team or Indy?
• 23:43
  No, she's individual.
• 23:44
  So there's, uh, um, Alina, um, Alina Ward,
• 23:50
  who was at semis last year.
• 23:51
  She was a semis athlete in the Northwest.
• 23:53
  And then, uh, Emily,
• 23:55
  her name is Emily Torres, um,
• 23:57
  who didn't compete last
• 23:59
  year because of an injury.
• 24:00
  Um,
• 24:01
  So I did pretty well the
• 24:04
  year before in quarterfinals,
• 24:06
  didn't make semis,
• 24:06
  but she just started
• 24:10
  working with one of our coaches,
• 24:13
  Brendan and Brendan Snyder.
• 24:16
  And Emily's great.
• 24:17
  She she's great.
• 24:18
  She lives full-time in Colorado,
• 24:21
  but obviously commutes here
• 24:23
  and has been under the
• 24:25
  underdog's hat for a few months.
• 24:28
  So those are the four who
• 24:30
  are competing this week in quarterfinals.
• 24:35
  Well, Zombie, just to clarify,
• 24:37
  it is D-A-W-G, not D-O-G.
• 24:40
  Yeah, D-A-W-G.
• 24:42
  It's less funny when you get
• 24:44
  the right spelling.
• 24:45
  Yeah.
• 24:49
  So who's the third team?
• 24:51
  So the third team is another –
• 24:56
  can't remember that you know
• 24:57
  they made up those names I
• 24:58
  mean that's another dogs
• 24:59
  team out of camp rhino uh
• 25:03
  dakota cole uh sarah and
• 25:07
  skylar those are our our
• 25:09
  four um and there I i would
• 25:12
  say you know I mean listen
• 25:14
  if they get through to
• 25:14
  semis we'll be ecstatic you
• 25:16
  know um and they're busting
• 25:17
  their ass to do so but for
• 25:19
  sure you know like that
• 25:22
  this this week is is
• 25:24
  more more their season uh
• 25:26
  and then you know we'll see
• 25:28
  how it goes especially with
• 25:29
  them cutting down teams you
• 25:30
  know down to 30 and so
• 25:32
  we'll I'll be curious to
• 25:33
  see um you know how they do
• 25:35
  but yeah they they've been
• 25:36
  busting their ass the last
• 25:37
  two days and you know we're
• 25:39
  giving them as much support as we can
• 25:42
  All right,
• 25:42
  so now we're going to move to
• 25:44
  the Danielle documentary.
• 25:45
  Yes, sir.
• 25:49
  I've been pretty vocal on a
• 25:50
  couple shows since its
• 25:52
  airing that I didn't like.
• 25:55
  I loved the childhood background story.
• 25:58
  I knew it was bad.
• 26:00
  I didn't know details until
• 26:02
  this documentary.
• 26:03
  So it was very enlightening for me,
• 26:06
  and I really appreciated
• 26:07
  getting to know kind of the
• 26:09
  background behind Danielle.
• 26:11
  Yeah.
• 26:15
  I did not care for the
• 26:16
  CrossFit piece as much,
• 26:17
  especially when it comes to
• 26:19
  her relationship with you.
• 26:21
  Many people have asked me,
• 26:22
  is it because you're good
• 26:24
  friends with Justin that
• 26:25
  you feel that way?
• 26:26
  I said,
• 26:27
  probably that has something to do
• 26:28
  with it.
• 26:29
  So I will admit that I
• 26:32
  probably have a bias in that vein.
• 26:36
  But what I want to do is I
• 26:36
  want to show one piece of
• 26:38
  the documentary that
• 26:40
  It's you explaining what
• 26:41
  happened and Cooper's response.
• 26:43
  And that really got me upset.
• 26:46
  And that's why I just want
• 26:47
  to explain that.
• 26:48
  And then we can talk about this.
• 26:51
  However much you are willing
• 26:53
  to share after that.
• 26:53
  Yeah, for sure.
• 26:56
  So here we go.
• 26:59
  We were going as a company
• 27:00
  and where we were going as a brand,
• 27:02
  I don't think was
• 27:03
  necessarily the best fit for her.
• 27:07
  We talked about it, and I said, look, man,
• 27:09
  you guys should really try
• 27:09
  to talk through this and figure this out.
• 27:11
  I think you guys owe it to
• 27:12
  each other to communicate
• 27:13
  through this and make it work.
• 27:17
  So that got me upset, and I will say this.
• 27:22
  I hung out with you a lot at semis.
• 27:27
  There were ups and downs
• 27:28
  with Danielle during that time,
• 27:30
  and I know that you guys had had talks.
• 27:34
  When Cooper comes across
• 27:35
  that way as her agent,
• 27:37
  My feeling was,
• 27:39
  isn't it part of your
• 27:40
  responsibility as her agent
• 27:43
  to make sure that those
• 27:44
  conversations are had and
• 27:45
  that it's not solely on somebody else?
• 27:51
  Yeah.
• 27:52
  I mean, well, let me,
• 27:54
  let me first say this.
• 27:56
  I thought the documentary
• 27:58
  was incredibly done.
• 28:00
  I thought it was fantastic.
• 28:02
  I thought it was very well done.
• 28:03
  You know, I, I knew like you, I mean,
• 28:08
  obviously, you know,
• 28:09
  I knew a lot about her background,
• 28:11
  but specific events that
• 28:13
  happen and some of the stuff that you see,
• 28:15
  you know, obviously, you know,
• 28:18
  it was heartbreaking to see
• 28:19
  a lot of that stuff and, and,
• 28:21
  I thought it was a, you know,
• 28:25
  a beautiful story of
• 28:26
  someone who was able to
• 28:29
  utilize their God-given gifts, you know,
• 28:32
  to get them out of a situation that was,
• 28:34
  you know,
• 28:35
  highly dysfunctional and where
• 28:37
  most people would crumble.
• 28:38
  So, you know, I think it really was,
• 28:42
  you know, an incredible,
• 28:44
  it is an incredible story.
• 28:48
  I have a very different
• 28:49
  perspective I think of how
• 28:53
  things were portrayed a little bit,
• 28:56
  obviously, because I lived it.
• 29:00
  You know, I always, you know,
• 29:02
  you have to take into
• 29:03
  account that obviously this
• 29:05
  is Danielle's documentary, right?
• 29:08
  And they put it out and, you know,
• 29:10
  they want to, you know,
• 29:12
  I understand obviously that
• 29:14
  they want to be truthful,
• 29:16
  but it's always going to
• 29:17
  come a little bit from a
• 29:18
  biased perspective,
• 29:19
  which I totally understand.
• 29:21
  Every, you know,
• 29:22
  I would say everybody's documentary,
• 29:23
  especially if you agree to do it, right?
• 29:25
  Unless it's somebody who's
• 29:26
  doing it from the outside
• 29:27
  where you maybe didn't agree to do it.
• 29:30
  Um, you know, that, that,
• 29:32
  that might be a little bit different.
• 29:34
  Um, you know, I, I was down, I did that,
• 29:37
  that interview that you saw, uh,
• 29:39
  was done at Waterpalooza this year.
• 29:41
  So it's very fresh.
• 29:42
  I did that.
• 29:43
  I did that at Waterpalooza and I, I took,
• 29:46
  it was a long time, you know, um,
• 29:50
  it was about an hour.
• 29:51
  I would say about an hour's
• 29:53
  worth of footage.
• 29:53
  I was there for, for a very long time.
• 29:55
  It was very emotional.
• 29:57
  Um,
• 29:59
  there were parts of it where I had to stop,
• 30:01
  you know, they didn't show that,
• 30:02
  but there were parts of it
• 30:03
  where I had to take,
• 30:04
  take five minutes and compose myself.
• 30:07
  And, you know, I,
• 30:08
  I tried to be as truthful
• 30:10
  as possible with, you know, with,
• 30:13
  without really,
• 30:14
  I have to be a little bit delicate.
• 30:16
  It's a couple of years ago and, you know,
• 30:19
  I've always kind of, you know,
• 30:21
  I always felt like it
• 30:22
  wasn't necessarily people's
• 30:23
  business to know the, the,
• 30:27
  the ins and outs of the
• 30:27
  situation in some of the particulars.
• 30:34
  And I think for me,
• 30:36
  the toughest part of watching that,
• 30:39
  and I appreciated what
• 30:40
  Danielle said to Lauren
• 30:42
  Khalil in her interview.
• 30:47
  I thought she was very
• 30:48
  honest and without question,
• 30:53
  There are certain things
• 30:54
  that I take blame for.
• 30:55
  I think I could have been
• 30:59
  more transparent and honest
• 31:03
  throughout that season with
• 31:07
  some of the feedback that I
• 31:08
  was getting from athletes
• 31:09
  and coaches within the camp
• 31:12
  who felt that they weren't
• 31:13
  getting treated the right way.
• 31:16
  And I could have had some of
• 31:17
  those conversations instead of being like,
• 31:19
  you know what,
• 31:20
  I'll handle it at the end of the season.
• 31:21
  It'll be fine.
• 31:22
  You know, we'll get there.
• 31:24
  Because the truth was for
• 31:25
  the majority of that year,
• 31:26
  Danielle and I were fine.
• 31:27
  There was never an issue
• 31:29
  between Danielle and I.
• 31:31
  And she had mentioned in
• 31:34
  there that she wasn't
• 31:35
  necessarily extremely happy
• 31:36
  with more athletes coming
• 31:39
  in and the camp getting
• 31:40
  bigger and all those things.
• 31:41
  And I can understand that
• 31:44
  from her perspective.
• 31:45
  The one thing that I felt like...
• 31:50
  wasn't addressed that bothered me.
• 31:54
  And it still bothers me to this day.
• 31:56
  I would have loved to hear
• 31:59
  her or Cooper kind of talk
• 32:00
  about a little bit,
• 32:02
  taking responsibility for
• 32:04
  some of the behavior and
• 32:05
  some of the actions.
• 32:06
  They almost made it sound like, oh, well,
• 32:08
  she just got kicked out of the camp.
• 32:10
  No,
• 32:11
  like there were a lot of things that
• 32:13
  went into that.
• 32:14
  I mean,
• 32:15
  you think I wanted to kick her out
• 32:16
  of the camp?
• 32:17
  And at the end of the day, it also didn't,
• 32:19
  it didn't,
• 32:19
  that wasn't necessarily the case.
• 32:21
  There was a, you know,
• 32:26
  there was an opportunity
• 32:27
  there to change behavior
• 32:29
  and apologize to people.
• 32:31
  And that didn't take place.
• 32:33
  And when that didn't take place,
• 32:35
  it just felt like there
• 32:35
  wasn't anything else we
• 32:37
  could do at that time.
• 32:40
  There were some things that
• 32:41
  happened that I was very
• 32:44
  upset at the time.
• 32:45
  And I probably could have
• 32:46
  handled my anger better, to be honest.
• 32:48
  But I don't regret the
• 32:49
  decision because it had to be done,
• 32:52
  I felt like.
• 32:53
  And when I look back,
• 32:55
  I still feel like it had to be done.
• 32:58
  That all being said,
• 33:01
  when you hear me talk in
• 33:02
  the doc and it's still, I love Danielle.
• 33:07
  I'm angry at her still.
• 33:08
  There's no question about it
• 33:09
  because I feel like there's
• 33:11
  some apologies that still
• 33:13
  need to be made in certain respects.
• 33:15
  And I'm sure she's probably
• 33:16
  upset with me and I'm fine with that.
• 33:18
  That's okay.
• 33:19
  And I feel like we're far
• 33:21
  enough removed that I would
• 33:23
  love to sit down and have a
• 33:24
  conversation and
• 33:26
  I feel like we're both in a place,
• 33:29
  at least I know I am,
• 33:30
  where I could sit down and have a civil,
• 33:33
  cordial conversation and
• 33:35
  talk about some of those
• 33:36
  things and talk about some
• 33:37
  of the mistakes that were
• 33:38
  made and take
• 33:38
  responsibility for the
• 33:40
  mistakes that I made.
• 33:42
  But I would like to see that reciprocated.
• 33:44
  and I and I i guess that's
• 33:45
  what's frustrating to me is
• 33:46
  I just I felt like that
• 33:48
  could have been done in the
• 33:48
  documentary it could have
• 33:49
  been done without throwing
• 33:50
  her under the bus too you
• 33:52
  know we just could have
• 33:53
  been like listen there was
• 33:54
  there were some things that
• 33:55
  I did that I felt bad about
• 33:57
  and you know like I can
• 33:58
  understand some of the
• 33:59
  stuff you know I wish it
• 34:00
  had maybe been handled
• 34:01
  differently like that's all
• 34:03
  good I was just frustrated
• 34:04
  that that wasn't addressed in it um
• 34:09
  But I don't love rehashing
• 34:11
  it because I don't want people to be like,
• 34:15
  again, what happened and blah, blah,
• 34:17
  blah.
• 34:17
  You know what?
• 34:17
  It's not really your
• 34:19
  business to know what happened.
• 34:21
  And I'm not willing to talk
• 34:24
  about some of the specifics because,
• 34:26
  first of all,
• 34:27
  I think you should never be judged.
• 34:32
  you know by unless it's you
• 34:35
  know a catastrophic mistake
• 34:37
  right or or but you
• 34:38
  shouldn't be judged I think
• 34:41
  by most people for for some
• 34:42
  of the worst mistakes that
• 34:43
  you make because you have
• 34:46
  time to redeem yourself you
• 34:47
  have time to to change and
• 34:49
  learn from those mistakes
• 34:51
  um and I i think um
• 34:55
  I think them just asking me
• 34:57
  to be a part of it was a
• 35:00
  huge leap of faith that I
• 35:02
  wouldn't just fucking throw
• 35:03
  Danielle under the bus.
• 35:06
  I think it was brave.
• 35:07
  I also think that, like I said,
• 35:12
  some of the interviews that
• 35:13
  I've seen with her talking about, I mean,
• 35:15
  it was very touching to me
• 35:16
  to hear that stuff.
• 35:18
  It was very meaningful to me to hear that
• 35:22
  she, I, you know,
• 35:25
  even though things didn't end up as,
• 35:29
  you know,
• 35:30
  as we expected that she took a
• 35:32
  lot from the time that we spent together.
• 35:36
  Um,
• 35:36
  and I'd like to think that I had a
• 35:38
  mostly positive effect on her in,
• 35:41
  in her career.
• 35:43
  Uh, and, um,
• 35:45
  And I am fully in a place
• 35:49
  where I would like to get
• 35:51
  to that point where she and
• 35:53
  I can see each other and
• 35:55
  hug and feel some of those
• 35:58
  feelings that we have.
• 35:59
  Because again, I...
• 36:05
  I really,
• 36:06
  I want nothing but the best for
• 36:08
  her without question.
• 36:09
  You know, I,
• 36:10
  I think there's obviously some,
• 36:12
  some anger that's still
• 36:13
  there from some of the
• 36:14
  things and some of the
• 36:15
  conversations that I think
• 36:17
  we still need to have or some, you know,
• 36:18
  but, but at the end of the day, you know,
• 36:21
  I'm, um,
• 36:22
  I'm still very grateful to have met her,
• 36:25
  to have known her,
• 36:26
  to have been able to coach her.
• 36:27
  She's an incredible athlete.
• 36:28
  You know, she's just a unique person.
• 36:31
  Uh, and, uh,
• 36:34
  you know, I hope that at some point we can,
• 36:37
  we can have a conversation
• 36:38
  and I'd like to do it in person.
• 36:40
  And, and I, you know, I hope that, uh,
• 36:42
  hope she's willing to do that.
• 36:46
  So the last thing I'm going
• 36:46
  to say on this is I think
• 36:49
  probably what also
• 36:50
  contributed to my feelings
• 36:51
  watching the documentary is
• 36:53
  I watched the interview
• 36:53
  with Lauren first that came
• 36:55
  out before the documentary came out.
• 36:57
  And in that interview, she was,
• 36:59
  it was very touching and almost like,
• 37:05
  not almost like she missed
• 37:06
  you a lot as a coach.
• 37:08
  We miss her.
• 37:09
  And someone who cared about her so much.
• 37:13
  And she talked about no
• 37:14
  other coaches she had after
• 37:16
  that cared about her.
• 37:18
  Like you cared about her
• 37:19
  because the way you cared
• 37:20
  about her was real, you know?
• 37:23
  And when she said that, I was like,
• 37:25
  Oh my gosh, like she's, she's B it's,
• 37:28
  it's becoming aware to her that,
• 37:31
  that that relationship was pretty good.
• 37:35
  Yeah.
• 37:36
  And then when the
• 37:36
  documentary came out and
• 37:37
  that was just kind of glanced over,
• 37:39
  I think that's why it
• 37:42
  caught me off guard and shocked me a bit.
• 37:46
  Cause I was hopeful that like,
• 37:48
  maybe like we could get to
• 37:50
  a bygones be bygones and
• 37:53
  maybe not coach her again
• 37:54
  or anything like that,
• 37:55
  but at least be able to, like you say,
• 37:58
  be friendly when you see her,
• 37:59
  give her a hug.
• 38:00
  Um,
• 38:03
  Yeah, I was very touched by,
• 38:04
  by what she said in the,
• 38:06
  in the interview.
• 38:06
  Um, yeah, I'm not going to lie with,
• 38:09
  you know, I, I definitely,
• 38:11
  there were some, some waterworks,
• 38:12
  you know, hearing that stuff and,
• 38:16
  you know, I think it's hard, excuse me,
• 38:20
  in that, in that form, you know,
• 38:23
  maybe in that, in that documentary form,
• 38:27
  um,
• 38:30
  I don't know.
• 38:30
  I, I, I understand what you're saying.
• 38:32
  And I,
• 38:32
  I do think there was an opportunity there,
• 38:34
  you know, to,
• 38:35
  to take some more responsibility.
• 38:36
  I think that's the thing that,
• 38:38
  that I will continue to
• 38:39
  kind of talk about that, that where I,
• 38:42
  where I felt a little bit, you know,
• 38:44
  disappointed in that, in that sense.
• 38:48
  But the hearing her say the
• 38:50
  things she did to Lauren
• 38:51
  and knowing that I had that
• 38:53
  positive impact and that effect on her,
• 38:55
  cause I felt it too.
• 38:56
  Yeah.
• 38:59
  It wasn't make-believe.
• 39:00
  It's the way I felt.
• 39:02
  You guys acted the same
• 39:04
  behind closed doors with
• 39:06
  each other as you did as
• 39:07
  what people see out on the floor.
• 39:09
  Absolutely.
• 39:09
  I can remember specific
• 39:10
  workouts and specific things
• 39:18
  that I knew I just felt in
• 39:21
  tune with her emotionally, you know,
• 39:24
  to be able to say the
• 39:25
  things she needed to hear
• 39:26
  at the right times,
• 39:27
  especially during workouts
• 39:29
  when she was training,
• 39:29
  when she was practicing.
• 39:30
  And, you know,
• 39:31
  it's not stuff that I would
• 39:32
  repeat and it's not stuff
• 39:33
  that you would say to other
• 39:34
  athletes necessarily
• 39:35
  because they won't respond that way.
• 39:37
  You know, she's a different animal,
• 39:39
  you know,
• 39:39
  and there were things that you
• 39:40
  needed to say.
• 39:41
  And I mean, she even talks about it.
• 39:42
  I don't remember if it was
• 39:44
  in the documentary when she
• 39:45
  talks about it or if it's in,
• 39:48
  she's talked about it before where,
• 39:52
  you know, Danielle is not,
• 39:53
  she doesn't respond to like
• 39:57
  pie in the sky kind of, you know, that,
• 40:00
  that self-help book, you know,
• 40:03
  like the secret type
• 40:05
  thinking where it's like, you know,
• 40:07
  I'm the prettiest and I
• 40:08
  think I'm the best.
• 40:09
  And if I do this, it's no,
• 40:10
  she didn't respond to that.
• 40:12
  Like she responded more to
• 40:14
  tough love than anything else.
• 40:15
  And there were specific
• 40:17
  times where that needed to happen.
• 40:18
  And then there were specific
• 40:19
  times where like,
• 40:20
  I had to appeal that to
• 40:21
  that animal instinct, kind of like,
• 40:23
  that Michael Jordan type thing where like,
• 40:26
  she needed to have that
• 40:27
  chip on her shoulder to be able to like,
• 40:30
  feel like, Oh yeah,
• 40:31
  that's the way they feel about me.
• 40:32
  And I'm gonna fucking step on their neck.
• 40:34
  Like she just has that in her, you know,
• 40:37
  which I loved, like, I just loved it,
• 40:39
  you know?
• 40:40
  And so I felt like I could,
• 40:41
  I could trigger that at specific moments.
• 40:44
  And, and I felt like,
• 40:46
  You know,
• 40:46
  but I also was able to – she knew
• 40:49
  how much I cared about her.
• 40:51
  She knew that it was real and genuine.
• 40:52
  And she knew how much Ashley
• 40:54
  cared about her, my wife,
• 40:55
  and how much my kids cared about her.
• 40:57
  And Ivy dyed her damn hair blue, you know,
• 41:00
  like when – you know, my daughter,
• 41:02
  when she went to semis.
• 41:05
  And, you know, I just –
• 41:08
  so it was very painful and very emotional,
• 41:11
  the whole thing.
• 41:12
  And it has been, you know, ever since,
• 41:14
  to be honest, I mean,
• 41:15
  there's a part of me that, you know,
• 41:17
  we'll always think what if, you know,
• 41:19
  because I felt like we were
• 41:22
  on this trajectory and she
• 41:23
  was making this incredible growth.
• 41:25
  And I mean,
• 41:26
  obviously she's still one of
• 41:27
  the best in the sport.
• 41:28
  I mean, that's not to say that, you know,
• 41:29
  that I maybe, you know,
• 41:31
  could have gotten her on
• 41:32
  the podium or maybe more.
• 41:33
  I mean,
• 41:34
  I know she dealt with some health issues,
• 41:35
  et cetera.
• 41:36
  Um,
• 41:38
  But like I said,
• 41:42
  when I started working with her,
• 41:45
  my intention was I'll be
• 41:47
  with her for the rest of her career.
• 41:48
  And I felt like we had a great connection.
• 41:54
  or as good a connection as,
• 41:56
  as you can have with Danielle,
• 41:57
  because there's always going to be some,
• 42:00
  she just, you know,
• 42:00
  there's always going to be
• 42:01
  some volatility.
• 42:02
  There's always going to be
• 42:03
  some drama and that's okay.
• 42:04
  That's who she is.
• 42:05
  It's part of what makes her great.
• 42:06
  Part of,
• 42:07
  part of what makes her such a
• 42:08
  unique individual and, and,
• 42:10
  and why people, you know,
• 42:12
  either love her or hate her.
• 42:13
  You know, you,
• 42:14
  you generally don't have
• 42:15
  like blah feelings toward Danielle.
• 42:18
  It's, it's generally,
• 42:19
  she's very polarizing.
• 42:20
  It's one at one end of the
• 42:21
  spectrum or the other.
• 42:23
  Um,
• 42:23
  but that's what makes an interesting
• 42:24
  individuals.
• 42:25
  You know, we don't honestly,
• 42:27
  we don't have enough of that in,
• 42:28
  in CrossFit.
• 42:29
  Like, I feel like we need more of that.
• 42:31
  You know, it's, it's good for the sport.
• 42:32
  It grows the sport.
• 42:33
  It creates more visibility.
• 42:35
  Um, but yeah, but anyway, I mean, I could,
• 42:40
  we could go on and on and I
• 42:42
  could talk a lot about it.
• 42:43
  That's career view mirror.
• 42:45
  Yeah.
• 42:45
  But looking at your windshield,
• 42:47
  you've got a lot to look forward to.
• 42:50
  Yeah.
• 42:50
  You've got two athletes, one male,
• 42:52
  one female poised to podium.
• 42:55
  They are on the precipice of a great year,
• 42:59
  right?
• 43:01
  Yeah.
• 43:02
  I mean, you know, I, I think, uh,
• 43:04
  I don't want to get ahead of myself,
• 43:06
  but I mean, listen, uh,
• 43:08
  Um, you know, they're both really,
• 43:10
  really good, you know?
• 43:11
  Um, I mean,
• 43:12
  whenever you talk about
• 43:13
  athletes that are ranked in
• 43:16
  the top five in the world, you know,
• 43:17
  you're talking about
• 43:18
  obviously special athletes, uh, you know,
• 43:21
  and, uh, the, the biggest thing from here,
• 43:25
  and I think this is just the way most,
• 43:26
  you know, it's, it's,
• 43:28
  it's the way most coaches will feel.
• 43:32
  And I know the way I feel is
• 43:35
  that the key is now getting
• 43:39
  them to semifinals and the
• 43:42
  games as healthy as humanly possible.
• 43:44
  Like, you know, the work, you know,
• 43:49
  you're talking about like,
• 43:50
  Ricky's a little bit
• 43:51
  different because Ricky's a
• 43:53
  bit more seasoned.
• 43:55
  And with Alex, there are still some things,
• 43:58
  I think, trajectory-wise.
• 43:59
  She's still more on this
• 44:01
  type of trajectory.
• 44:03
  You know, like, I mean,
• 44:04
  it's wild to see what her
• 44:05
  strength numbers are doing.
• 44:06
  And, you know, I mean,
• 44:08
  she's just – I don't know
• 44:10
  in the next couple years.
• 44:11
  You know,
• 44:11
  and I – people get on me a little bit,
• 44:14
  I think,
• 44:14
  when I say this because they're
• 44:16
  always like,
• 44:16
  you're putting so much pressure on.
• 44:17
  It's not pressure.
• 44:18
  I mean –
• 44:20
  Pressure is a privilege, first of all,
• 44:21
  and expectations are a good thing.
• 44:24
  It just means that you're good.
• 44:27
  I think she has the
• 44:27
  opportunity to kind of
• 44:28
  redefine the sport for when
• 44:31
  you talk about someone
• 44:33
  who's as big and as strong as she is.
• 44:36
  And I think ultimately what
• 44:37
  she's going to be able to do and not yet,
• 44:39
  but in another year or two.
• 44:41
  That's not to say she can't
• 44:42
  podium this year.
• 44:43
  I'm just saying she's
• 44:43
  nowhere near where she's going to be.
• 44:46
  I think Ricky is, you know,
• 44:47
  he's in the peak of his career.
• 44:49
  So, you know,
• 44:50
  I think Ricky would have won
• 44:52
  the games last year,
• 44:52
  and that's with all respect
• 44:54
  to Jeff and Roman.
• 44:56
  But when you look at the programming,
• 44:58
  there wasn't a bad event at
• 44:59
  the games for Ricky.
• 45:00
  In fact,
• 45:01
  there were five or six events that
• 45:02
  Ricky would have won.
• 45:03
  Like,
• 45:04
  I don't even have a question about that.
• 45:06
  He wins the game,
• 45:07
  and I don't think it would
• 45:08
  have been close.
• 45:08
  Yeah.
• 45:10
  now you don't know if you're
• 45:11
  ever going to get that
• 45:12
  again you know that's just
• 45:13
  the way it is uh and also
• 45:15
  you know it just depends it
• 45:16
  depends on are you healthy
• 45:18
  at the time you're feeling
• 45:19
  really good at the time you
• 45:20
  know like he's been
• 45:21
  battling a few injuries
• 45:22
  this year since wadapalooza
• 45:24
  you know we're not going to
• 45:25
  talk the specifics but it's
• 45:26
  been a bit up and down
• 45:28
  honestly over the last
• 45:29
  several weeks and you know
• 45:31
  so we've got to get through
• 45:33
  quarters I think honestly
• 45:35
  for both of them
• 45:38
  I mean, they're both really good,
• 45:39
  so they'll be fine,
• 45:40
  but I'm not sure you're
• 45:40
  going to see the type of
• 45:41
  performance necessarily
• 45:43
  that you're used to seeing
• 45:43
  with them because they're
• 45:44
  both kind of dealing with
• 45:45
  some nagging things right now.
• 45:47
  But I think the nagging
• 45:49
  things are nowhere near
• 45:51
  serious enough that we're
• 45:52
  not going to get them to 100% by semis.
• 45:55
  And then my goal is to have
• 45:57
  them feeling as confident
• 45:59
  in their bodies as humanly
• 46:01
  possible to be able to
• 46:02
  handle whatever test comes at them
• 46:05
  In Dallas,
• 46:07
  and I think it's a fine line
• 46:08
  that you see with with some
• 46:10
  athletes going into the games,
• 46:12
  where you've got to be
• 46:13
  ready for the volume,
• 46:14
  but you have to be at your
• 46:15
  physical tip top shape,
• 46:17
  you can't be overtrained
• 46:19
  and you can't be crushed.
• 46:20
  And I think you see half the
• 46:22
  field come into the games are done.
• 46:24
  They're done before they even start.
• 46:26
  And you can see it on day one or day two.
• 46:28
  I think we saw it with some
• 46:29
  big names last year,
• 46:30
  and I'm not going to talk
• 46:31
  about who it was,
• 46:32
  but we saw some big names
• 46:34
  last year who you looked at
• 46:35
  and you were like,
• 46:35
  what the hell is going on?
• 46:37
  And it just,
• 46:38
  I think it just comes from you going,
• 46:39
  you're over-trained,
• 46:41
  you're not feeling great,
• 46:42
  you have a bad first day and you're done.
• 46:44
  And my key is going in,
• 46:46
  having them feeling as good
• 46:47
  as humanly possible.
• 46:48
  And that, you know, I've kind of,
• 46:52
  kind of tinkered a little bit with,
• 46:54
  with volume and with
• 46:56
  cutting down specific things this year,
• 46:58
  as far as Metcons doing a
• 46:59
  little bit more
• 47:00
  monostructural just to stay healthy.
• 47:02
  And, um, I feel like, you know,
• 47:05
  I feel like that's helping.
• 47:06
  I feel like taking more rest
• 47:07
  days is helping.
• 47:08
  I think, um,
• 47:10
  not being glued to the, not,
• 47:13
  not feeling like you have
• 47:15
  to do what's on the page.
• 47:16
  If your body that day
• 47:18
  doesn't feel like it's
• 47:19
  going to benefit you,
• 47:21
  which I think a lot of
• 47:21
  people are married to the program.
• 47:24
  And, and if they look at the program,
• 47:26
  they're like, fuck,
• 47:26
  if I don't do the program,
• 47:27
  I'm not going to get better.
• 47:29
  And that sometimes is a
• 47:30
  disservice to them.
• 47:31
  So there's a lot more stuff by fuel,
• 47:34
  especially with those two this year.
• 47:37
  And yeah,
• 47:39
  So yeah,
• 47:40
  I'm obviously extremely optimistic
• 47:43
  that if they are feeling
• 47:46
  great and if they are healthy,
• 47:48
  which I expect them to be
• 47:50
  and intend them to be,
• 47:52
  they both have the full capacity to
• 47:57
  So I'm going to, we're,
• 47:58
  we're coming up on the hour already,
• 47:59
  so we're going to try rapid
• 48:01
  fire with Justin.
• 48:02
  Okay.
• 48:02
  I'm going to hit you with
• 48:03
  some quick questions.
• 48:05
  I'm going to start with one
• 48:06
  in the chat and I'm going to build on it.
• 48:08
  And that is serious question.
• 48:10
  Does Justin ever get tired
• 48:11
  of coaching or bored of it?
• 48:14
  No.
• 48:17
  So then I'm going to follow
• 48:17
  up with that is you have
• 48:19
  Ricky who had to sit out last year,
• 48:22
  injured, couldn't participate,
• 48:24
  probably going nuts after
• 48:26
  all he's been through in his career.
• 48:28
  You have that on one side.
• 48:30
  You have this up-and-comer
• 48:31
  on the other side who
• 48:32
  everything is brand new,
• 48:34
  going into it all,
• 48:35
  doesn't even know what she's capable of.
• 48:40
  Is that what makes coaching great?
• 48:44
  I think the ability to be
• 48:46
  able to help someone reach
• 48:48
  their maximum potential,
• 48:50
  not just in sports, but also in life,
• 48:53
  you know,
• 48:53
  I just feel like that to me is
• 48:55
  how to get bored of that, you know?
• 48:58
  Now, listen, without question,
• 49:01
  I run a business too.
• 49:03
  So I get tired of doing a
• 49:06
  lot of the backend stuff,
• 49:08
  the stuff that's not the fun stuff,
• 49:11
  like doing payroll or handling,
• 49:15
  dealing with social media
• 49:16
  or doing that kind of stuff, which is not,
• 49:18
  I don't love.
• 49:19
  But the coaching side of
• 49:22
  things is the great joy that I have.
• 49:26
  I mean, listen, being in the gym, I mean,
• 49:33
  on a daily basis with Alex,
• 49:34
  and I wish I was – Ricky's different.
• 49:37
  He's in Australia.
• 49:39
  We talk all the time,
• 49:40
  but it's not quite the same.
• 49:42
  But being able to be in the
• 49:43
  gym and see the progress
• 49:45
  that Alex has made, I mean,
• 49:47
  I always say it's like the
• 49:49
  best part of my week is
• 49:52
  watching her progress and
• 49:53
  seeing the things that she does.
• 49:54
  And obviously that –
• 49:56
  That spans to all the
• 49:57
  athletes that I coach, you know,
• 49:58
  with her and Ricky and
• 49:59
  Sarah and Caitlin and Braun, et cetera,
• 50:02
  you know.
• 50:02
  And, you know, there's more, obviously.
• 50:04
  But I, you know,
• 50:08
  just see them being able to
• 50:09
  achieve the things that
• 50:11
  they set their minds to and
• 50:12
  the goals and that stuff.
• 50:14
  I know I don't ever get tired of that.
• 50:17
  So Jake Chapman asks,
• 50:19
  do you still coach any
• 50:20
  plebes getting their first pull up?
• 50:23
  I don't.
• 50:24
  I haven't in a long time.
• 50:26
  But when I owned an affiliate,
• 50:28
  I taught foundations for 11 years.
• 50:31
  So that was like every day.
• 50:33
  That was one of my favorite
• 50:34
  things was coaching.
• 50:36
  you know,
• 50:36
  being able to be on the ground
• 50:37
  floor with people who just
• 50:39
  get into CrossFit,
• 50:39
  like being able to be that
• 50:41
  influence when they first start, you know,
• 50:44
  I enjoyed that as much as I
• 50:45
  do coaching elite athletes,
• 50:46
  to be honest with you,
• 50:47
  like that was just so cool.
• 50:49
  So I haven't done that in a while.
• 50:52
  But, but I do love doing that, you know,
• 50:54
  for sure.
• 50:55
  So you say the backend
• 50:56
  business owner stuff is, is tedious,
• 50:58
  but when you got into this game, right,
• 51:02
  you were an affiliate owner, right?
• 51:04
  doing your thing.
• 51:04
  You guys had a lot of
• 51:05
  successful teams back then
• 51:07
  you hook up with Carrie Pierce.
• 51:09
  That is a match made in heaven.
• 51:12
  You evolve into owning this
• 51:13
  underdogs business.
• 51:16
  Could you have ever imagined where,
• 51:19
  when you started this whole
• 51:21
  journey in CrossFit,
• 51:23
  that this is where you'd end up?
• 51:27
  That's an interesting question.
• 51:29
  Um,
• 51:30
  I'm not sure that I expect, you know,
• 51:35
  it's hard to say, like,
• 51:35
  I don't know that I expected to evolve,
• 51:39
  you know, into being, I guess,
• 51:44
  one of the more visible
• 51:45
  coaches in the space.
• 51:48
  But my goal, when I, when I started,
• 51:53
  when I opened an affiliate,
• 51:54
  I started coaching elite
• 51:55
  athletes and we're talking 15 years ago.
• 51:58
  My goal was to help change
• 52:01
  people's lives through fitness first.
• 52:04
  But then my goal just from
• 52:06
  being in sports forever and
• 52:08
  being a competitive collegiate athlete,
• 52:10
  et cetera,
• 52:11
  I wanted to coach elite athletes.
• 52:14
  I felt like I had something to give.
• 52:15
  And as that started to evolve,
• 52:21
  I felt like I could affect
• 52:24
  people positively.
• 52:24
  I felt like I could help them.
• 52:28
  So I'm not sure, you know,
• 52:31
  that this necessarily was
• 52:34
  the iteration that I expected it to take.
• 52:37
  But, you know,
• 52:39
  did I feel like I could be successful,
• 52:41
  you know, doing it?
• 52:42
  Yes, I definitely did.
• 52:44
  And I don't know, you know,
• 52:48
  I don't think necessarily
• 52:49
  that that's arrogance.
• 52:50
  I just felt like, you know, this was...
• 52:54
  something that felt like a
• 52:55
  second calling for me after music,
• 52:57
  you know, where I felt like I had,
• 52:59
  I had a God given ability to be able to,
• 53:01
  to sing and affect people that way.
• 53:03
  And then, you know, I,
• 53:05
  I had a way to be able to
• 53:07
  get through to people and
• 53:08
  affect people in this way.
• 53:09
  So it's, it's ended up being, you know,
• 53:11
  obviously the, you know, my,
• 53:14
  my calling or second calling,
• 53:15
  I would say.
• 53:16
  So I have a music question for you.
• 53:18
  But before that,
• 53:20
  you were the first coach we
• 53:21
  ever had on this show.
• 53:23
  Wow.
• 53:23
  Many years ago.
• 53:24
  I did not know that.
• 53:25
  It's because Kat,
• 53:26
  my co-host on the roundtable,
• 53:29
  was a grid league.
• 53:30
  Yeah, sure.
• 53:32
  Can you imagine?
• 53:33
  That's 10 years ago now.
• 53:34
  And she knew you from that.
• 53:35
  And that's why we reached out to you.
• 53:37
  And then we learned that
• 53:39
  getting coaches on was a cool thing.
• 53:42
  Right?
• 53:42
  It was just a different perspective.
• 53:44
  Yeah.
• 53:44
  A lot of podcasts weren't doing that.
• 53:47
  Until we kind of started
• 53:48
  that ball rolling.
• 53:49
  And now it's like a staple, right?
• 53:51
  Coaches are on everything.
• 53:53
  Yeah, for sure.
• 53:54
  Even people that aren't
• 53:55
  coaches are coaching.
• 53:56
  More of an observation than a question,
• 53:59
  but it's really cool how it's evolved.
• 54:02
  My music question.
• 54:04
  Did you see the We Are The
• 54:06
  World documentary?
• 54:09
  I have not seen it yet.
• 54:10
  Is it a must see?
• 54:12
  Oh my gosh, Justin.
• 54:15
  justin all right well now
• 54:16
  it's on my list for the
• 54:18
  stevie part oh yeah stevie
• 54:21
  michael now I can't even
• 54:23
  ask you the follow-up so oh
• 54:25
  sorry alert yeah bob
• 54:28
  dylan's on the recording
• 54:30
  yeah he's afraid to sing in
• 54:32
  front of everybody all
• 54:32
  these stars right guy's
• 54:35
  been around for 40 years
• 54:37
  point right and he's afraid
• 54:39
  to sing in front of
• 54:39
  everybody and he doesn't
• 54:40
  know how they want him to sing
• 54:42
  So Stevie sits down at the piano.
• 54:45
  Yeah.
• 54:46
  And he's like, Bob,
• 54:47
  we just want you to like,
• 54:49
  we are the world.
• 54:50
  That's what it was.
• 54:52
  So Stevie had to sing it for him.
• 54:55
  Like Bob Dylan.
• 54:56
  That's amazing.
• 54:57
  Oh, I got to watch it.
• 54:58
  That's cool.
• 54:59
  Yeah.
• 55:00
  Very cool.
• 55:00
  No, I I'll,
• 55:01
  I'll put it on my list for sure.
• 55:03
  Yeah,
• 55:03
  it's like an hour and a half or
• 55:04
  something.
• 55:05
  Okay.
• 55:06
  But it's really good.
• 55:08
  The kids go to bed.
• 55:09
  If you're a music fan of the 70s and 80s,
• 55:13
  it was everywhere.
• 55:14
  Yeah.
• 55:15
  Everyone.
• 55:17
  Yon Clark says Bob Dylan was
• 55:19
  overrated in the chat.
• 55:21
  Wow.
• 55:22
  Not my favorite singer in the world,
• 55:24
  but maybe as a singer,
• 55:25
  we'd go back and look at
• 55:26
  some of those songs.
• 55:27
  Oh, my gosh.
• 55:28
  Yeah.
• 55:30
  His catalog's pretty impressive.
• 55:32
  Yeah.
• 55:32
  I don't know if...
• 55:34
  Like him and the Beatles
• 55:35
  probably together.
• 55:36
  Catalogs.
• 55:37
  Oh, my gosh.
• 55:39
  Yeah.
• 55:39
  I mean, ridiculous.
• 55:41
  Prince, obviously.
• 55:42
  Stevie.
• 55:44
  So there was a question here
• 55:46
  from Wadzombie.
• 55:47
  Okay.
• 55:48
  Not Wadzombie.
• 55:49
  Bruce Wayne.
• 55:50
  Bruce.
• 55:51
  Okay.
• 55:51
  Who would be the one athlete
• 55:53
  you'd love to coach?
• 55:54
  I know you answered this a
• 55:55
  couple years ago.
• 55:56
  Yeah.
• 55:56
  Ricky.
• 55:57
  Yeah.
• 55:57
  That came true.
• 55:58
  Okay.
• 56:00
  Or are you looking to kind
• 56:02
  of phase out of doing multiple athletes?
• 56:05
  Nope.
• 56:08
  It would have to be very
• 56:09
  special right now.
• 56:10
  Like it'd have to be
• 56:11
  somebody super special.
• 56:15
  Yeah, man.
• 56:16
  Shit.
• 56:16
  I don't know.
• 56:17
  That's a really hard question.
• 56:19
  And I, I always, it's always,
• 56:21
  I don't feel right.
• 56:24
  Most of the time.
• 56:28
  seeing an athlete who already has a coach.
• 56:31
  I just feel like it's disrespectful.
• 56:32
  It's like a poaching thing
• 56:33
  that you don't want to go down.
• 56:34
  No, and I feel like when I said Ricky,
• 56:38
  he didn't have a coach,
• 56:39
  and that was the truth at that time.
• 56:42
  I will say this,
• 56:45
  that one of the highlights
• 56:48
  of my career has been being
• 56:53
  able to coach Sarah, Signum's daughter.
• 56:55
  you know, who I still coach.
• 56:58
  And I say that just because, you know,
• 57:03
  I always knew Sarah and we were cordial,
• 57:09
  you know,
• 57:09
  and she was friendly with Carrie.
• 57:12
  And so I got to know her through that.
• 57:14
  And, but I didn't,
• 57:16
  you know,
• 57:17
  I didn't get to really understand
• 57:22
  what type of human being she was.
• 57:24
  I just knew, you know, listen, like she's,
• 57:26
  there's very few like icons of the sport,
• 57:28
  like people who are just, you know,
• 57:30
  they're like,
• 57:31
  you talk about the icons of
• 57:32
  music who walk down the street and,
• 57:35
  and people are crying, you know,
• 57:37
  and then getting them to
• 57:38
  sign their photos and things like that.
• 57:39
  I mean, I, I,
• 57:42
  there are a few of those in CrossFit.
• 57:45
  Sarah is one of them.
• 57:46
  What I saw at, you know,
• 57:48
  at the European semifinal
• 57:49
  last year with people lined
• 57:52
  up around the block to meet
• 57:54
  her and people like crying
• 57:56
  when they meet her and
• 57:56
  wanting them to sign their,
• 57:58
  their faces and things like,
• 57:59
  you know what I mean?
• 58:00
  I'd never seen that before.
• 58:02
  I mean, Carrie was popular, you know,
• 58:04
  like other people I coach are popular,
• 58:05
  but there's a whole nother
• 58:06
  level of popular, but, but,
• 58:10
  getting to know her and the
• 58:12
  fact that she is exactly
• 58:15
  the way she is on screen to
• 58:18
  her fans and behind the
• 58:19
  scenes was just one of the
• 58:21
  coolest things that I've
• 58:22
  ever experienced.
• 58:23
  And, you know,
• 58:24
  obviously she's dealt with a
• 58:25
  lot of health issues over
• 58:26
  the last few years and we're,
• 58:27
  we're trying to get her, you know,
• 58:30
  to a place where, you know, she's,
• 58:31
  she's backed and confident
• 58:33
  and competitive and, and those things.
• 58:35
  But regardless of what happens with that,
• 58:38
  um,
• 58:39
  I think just getting to know
• 58:41
  her and getting to
• 58:44
  experience just the light
• 58:46
  that shines from her as a human being,
• 58:50
  it's amazing because she is
• 58:52
  a special human.
• 58:53
  And so I know that did not
• 58:55
  answer Bruce's question at all,
• 58:58
  but it kind of tied into saying like,
• 59:02
  just feel lucky to you know
• 59:03
  have been able to know her
• 59:05
  and and to have been able
• 59:06
  to to work with her these
• 59:07
  these last it's it's been
• 59:09
  about a year now you know
• 59:11
  so it's uh I've been very
• 59:13
  lucky I feel like one of
• 59:14
  the coolest nicest most
• 59:16
  genuine people I've ever
• 59:17
  met in my life it's crazy
• 59:18
  honestly uh wad zombie says
• 59:21
  I'd want to coach susan
• 59:22
  clark that's only if you're ring chasing
• 59:26
  I mean, what, five times, six times,
• 59:28
  seven times champ in the men's division?
• 59:30
  Yeah, pretty special.
• 59:33
  There's two more good questions,
• 59:35
  and then we'll let you go for the day.
• 59:36
  Oh, I'm good.
• 59:37
  I don't have to pick up Ivy
• 59:38
  for another half hour.
• 59:39
  Donald Nortega,
• 59:42
  if you could build an athlete,
• 59:44
  what would you put more emphasis on,
• 59:46
  mental or physical strengths?
• 59:47
  That's an awesome question.
• 59:53
  Man, that's – here's the thing.
• 59:58
  I it's as kind of like
• 1:00:00
  sellout of an answer.
• 1:00:01
  This is,
• 1:00:02
  they have to go hand in hand does
• 1:00:04
  cause cause if you don't
• 1:00:05
  have the physical attributes,
• 1:00:08
  you could be mentally tough,
• 1:00:10
  but here's the deal.
• 1:00:10
  If you, if you can't do a handstand pushup,
• 1:00:14
  I don't care how mentally tough you are.
• 1:00:16
  If they come up in a workout,
• 1:00:17
  you can't do them.
• 1:00:18
  If you can't run a six minute mile,
• 1:00:20
  I don't care how mentally
• 1:00:21
  tough you are and what
• 1:00:22
  you've experienced in your life.
• 1:00:24
  Like you're not going to be able to do it.
• 1:00:26
  So, so ultimately they,
• 1:00:29
  they both lift each,
• 1:00:30
  they lift themselves up.
• 1:00:31
  You know what I mean?
• 1:00:32
  They're there,
• 1:00:33
  but I can tell you this
• 1:00:34
  right now that when you get
• 1:00:39
  to the level that,
• 1:00:41
  that these athletes are at, you know,
• 1:00:43
  and when I say these athletes,
• 1:00:44
  I'm talking about like high
• 1:00:47
  level semifinals and games athletes,
• 1:00:49
  right?
• 1:00:50
  You get to that level.
• 1:00:53
  The difference physically is
• 1:00:58
  generally pretty minuscule.
• 1:01:03
  There are the one percenters
• 1:01:04
  in specific movements, yes.
• 1:01:08
  But the athletes who are
• 1:01:14
  mentally and emotionally
• 1:01:15
  the toughest have a massive advantage.
• 1:01:19
  I mean,
• 1:01:20
  I felt like I coached an athlete
• 1:01:23
  who physically was not one
• 1:01:28
  of the top five or 10
• 1:01:29
  athletes in the world,
• 1:01:30
  but mentally she might've
• 1:01:31
  been the toughest athlete in the
• 1:01:34
  And she got the most out of
• 1:01:36
  everything because of her
• 1:01:40
  ability to handle the ups
• 1:01:42
  and downs in competition,
• 1:01:44
  to deal with emotional
• 1:01:45
  stress and to like the Ted Lasso quote,
• 1:01:50
  you know,
• 1:01:52
  where you've got a what's the
• 1:01:55
  animal again that has the
• 1:01:56
  10 second memory?
• 1:01:58
  he talks about no I can't of
• 1:01:59
  course I can't remember
• 1:02:01
  it's yeah goldfish gotta be
• 1:02:04
  a goldfish be a goldfish
• 1:02:05
  yes yeah um and that and
• 1:02:07
  that no one has ever done
• 1:02:09
  that better than she has um
• 1:02:12
  you know so and so the
• 1:02:14
  physical attributes are
• 1:02:15
  amazing but over the 15
• 1:02:16
  years that I've been in
• 1:02:17
  this sport I've seen people
• 1:02:19
  who you look at and you're
• 1:02:19
  like holy you know they're
• 1:02:22
  They're so physically gifted
• 1:02:24
  that you're just like, oh,
• 1:02:24
  they're going to win.
• 1:02:25
  They're going to do this.
• 1:02:26
  They're going to do that.
• 1:02:27
  And then they never do.
• 1:02:29
  And ultimately,
• 1:02:29
  and it's not because of injury.
• 1:02:30
  It's not.
• 1:02:31
  It's because they can't
• 1:02:32
  handle the emotional stress.
• 1:02:34
  They can't handle the daily
• 1:02:36
  ins and outs of that.
• 1:02:38
  You know, they get they get so emotional.
• 1:02:41
  obsessed about the highs and
• 1:02:44
  lows of workouts during
• 1:02:45
  training and all that kind of stuff,
• 1:02:47
  which is, if you do that, you're done.
• 1:02:49
  You're done before you start.
• 1:02:51
  Because every day is going
• 1:02:52
  to be different depending
• 1:02:53
  on how you feel and what's
• 1:02:54
  going on in your life and
• 1:02:55
  how much sleep you get and
• 1:02:56
  all this and all that.
• 1:02:57
  You have to be able to maintain
• 1:03:00
  this level of, of, you know,
• 1:03:02
  I hate to say it, but it's, it's,
• 1:03:03
  it's gotta,
• 1:03:04
  it's gotta almost just be boring in a way,
• 1:03:07
  you know, where you're, you're not,
• 1:03:09
  you're not dealing with
• 1:03:10
  that or you're not reacting to it.
• 1:03:13
  And so I would say that, that,
• 1:03:16
  Both of them are incredibly important,
• 1:03:19
  but then I think once you
• 1:03:20
  get to a certain level,
• 1:03:21
  the mental and emotional
• 1:03:23
  aspects are massive.
• 1:03:28
  It's hard to teach, very hard to teach.
• 1:03:31
  It's funny because when I
• 1:03:31
  look at your athletes,
• 1:03:33
  the common phrase now is,
• 1:03:35
  they got that dog in them.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Which goes right along with underdogs,
• 1:03:40
  your old dog mentality.
• 1:03:42
  Carrie had that dog in her.
• 1:03:44
  She has that dog in them.
• 1:03:45
  Yes.
• 1:03:47
  Last year at semis,
• 1:03:48
  I finally saw the dog in Alex.
• 1:03:50
  And I still think Alex is working on it.
• 1:03:52
  I still think Alex, you know,
• 1:03:56
  I would not yet.
• 1:03:58
  What's that?
• 1:03:59
  That burpee workout against
• 1:04:00
  100% without question.
• 1:04:01
  I think,
• 1:04:02
  I think she has the dog in her
• 1:04:04
  when it's something she's confident with.
• 1:04:06
  But you talk to the athletes that are,
• 1:04:10
  you know,
• 1:04:11
  the Laura's and the Tia's and the,
• 1:04:14
  you know, the mats and the, you know,
• 1:04:15
  even the pats and the,
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  and the Brent's and those
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  guys who are there every year, like you,
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  they just, it doesn't matter.
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  They just know like, okay, by the end,
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  I'm going to be where I need to be,
• 1:04:27
  you know?
• 1:04:27
  And like, they don't let them,
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  they don't get, you know,
• 1:04:29
  get worked out or worked up
• 1:04:31
  over a specific movement or
• 1:04:33
  a workout that's that, you know,
• 1:04:35
  that maybe doesn't go their way.
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  And I also think, you know, with Alex,
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  we're still working on like,
• 1:04:44
  it's hard sometimes to, you know,
• 1:04:49
  acknowledge and accept who
• 1:04:51
  you are as an athlete
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  compared to who you were as an athlete.
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  And when I say that,
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  I just mean there's a lot
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  of workouts that Alex still
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  sees herself as the athlete
• 1:05:02
  two and three years ago and
• 1:05:04
  not the athletes that's now
• 1:05:06
  ranked top five in the world.
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  She hasn't fully accepted it
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  or embraced it.
• 1:05:13
  And when you do that as an athlete,
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  you become fucking scary.
• 1:05:16
  Like, you know, because...
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  You know,
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  you have the confidence to be
• 1:05:21
  able to go after it and you
• 1:05:23
  have the expectation that, you know what,
• 1:05:26
  I'm going to crush this.
• 1:05:28
  Like I'm going to do well on this.
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  And, you know,
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  that's not an easy thing to develop.
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  It's a very challenging thing to develop.
• 1:05:35
  Uh, and, um,
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  we haven't seen a ton of athletes,
• 1:05:38
  you know, over the years able to do that.
• 1:05:40
  Um, you know, and it's exciting to, to, to,
• 1:05:44
  to be able to think that, you know,
• 1:05:46
  you have an athlete or,
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  or see that in somebody that,
• 1:05:49
  that that's possible.
• 1:05:50
  Um, you know, that's very exciting.
• 1:05:52
  So last question from the
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  chat from Kenneth's lab,
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  could Carrie Pierce make a
• 1:05:58
  comeback if she wanted to?
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  one she's told me
• 1:06:02
  definitively she does not
• 1:06:04
  want to no she doesn't want
• 1:06:05
  to um I mean listen I had
• 1:06:12
  never put it past carrie
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  you know um I think
• 1:06:18
  You know,
• 1:06:18
  I think her focus now is
• 1:06:20
  obviously on having a family.
• 1:06:24
  You know,
• 1:06:24
  is it something I could see
• 1:06:25
  eventually where she makes a comeback?
• 1:06:26
  And if she was going to make a comeback,
• 1:06:28
  I think it would be, you know,
• 1:06:29
  in the Masters and age group division.
• 1:06:33
  But, you know,
• 1:06:34
  the sport continues to evolve.
• 1:06:37
  And when I say that,
• 1:06:40
  I mean, you see the numbers,
• 1:06:43
  the strength numbers, you know,
• 1:06:44
  that are that are being put
• 1:06:46
  up now by the women.
• 1:06:50
  And it's I mean, it's it's freakish.
• 1:06:52
  I mean, it's downright scary, you know.
• 1:06:56
  And I think that there,
• 1:06:59
  I think Carrie obviously is
• 1:07:01
  mentally tough enough to,
• 1:07:03
  she probably could come
• 1:07:05
  back and even make the games, you know,
• 1:07:08
  if she devoted a year to it,
• 1:07:09
  she probably still could in
• 1:07:10
  the open division.
• 1:07:13
  But I look at some of the
• 1:07:15
  workouts and some of the
• 1:07:17
  movements when you talk
• 1:07:18
  about sandbags and yokes
• 1:07:21
  and heavy cleans and heavy
• 1:07:23
  squats and some of those things, machines,
• 1:07:26
  like some of the numbers,
• 1:07:29
  the power output numbers that you see.
• 1:07:31
  It's just getting like,
• 1:07:33
  you got to be built different.
• 1:07:35
  You know what I mean?
• 1:07:37
  It's just getting freakishly freakish.
• 1:07:40
  I know that's like...
• 1:07:42
  I don't know.
• 1:07:43
  I don't know.
• 1:07:43
  I mean, it's wild.
• 1:07:44
  So I think she's very happy.
• 1:07:47
  What's that?
• 1:07:48
  There's one thing for sure.
• 1:07:49
  There are home runs that she
• 1:07:51
  would still win.
• 1:07:52
  Oh, a hundred percent.
• 1:07:52
  Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  Yeah.
• 1:07:54
  without question, you know,
• 1:07:55
  I don't think there's any question,
• 1:07:57
  but I do think as far as
• 1:07:58
  the strength numbers every year, they,
• 1:08:03
  they get harder and harder
• 1:08:04
  to attain for the athletes
• 1:08:06
  that were used to the
• 1:08:07
  numbers in a specific era in a specific,
• 1:08:10
  you know,
• 1:08:11
  like you see those numbers and
• 1:08:13
  then all of a sudden a year or two later,
• 1:08:15
  it's like, what the hell?
• 1:08:17
  Like,
• 1:08:17
  Whereas, you know,
• 1:08:18
  the numbers have just gotten bananas now,
• 1:08:21
  you know, um, it's, it's, I,
• 1:08:23
  I'm glad you said this and this,
• 1:08:24
  I promise will be my last question.
• 1:08:26
  Um, so with that, like, you know, my,
• 1:08:29
  my coach and owner is Christie O'Connell,
• 1:08:32
  um, Kristen Holta,
• 1:08:34
  like era of that smaller athlete.
• 1:08:39
  seems to be going away like
• 1:08:41
  in just kind of what you're
• 1:08:42
  saying but then you have
• 1:08:43
  someone on the men's side
• 1:08:44
  like a colton mertens yeah
• 1:08:46
  defying the odds well
• 1:08:48
  colton's a unicorn colton's
• 1:08:50
  also unbelievably strong
• 1:08:52
  like ridiculously strong
• 1:08:54
  like so compact in the way
• 1:08:55
  he's built um but I also
• 1:08:59
  think there's not on the
• 1:08:59
  women's side uh well mal
• 1:09:02
  was not mal was built very
• 1:09:04
  similarly to carrie
• 1:09:06
  And I felt like we were
• 1:09:07
  seeing it with Mal.
• 1:09:07
  Now, you know,
• 1:09:08
  obviously what's happened there.
• 1:09:10
  But, you know, I mean,
• 1:09:11
  as far as physical
• 1:09:12
  attributes are concerned,
• 1:09:13
  I felt like she's probably the only one,
• 1:09:17
  you know,
• 1:09:17
  that's built like that right now.
• 1:09:19
  When you look at the top, even the top 10,
• 1:09:22
  I mean,
• 1:09:22
  is there anyone in the top 10
• 1:09:24
  who's shorter than 5'2"?
• 1:09:25
  I don't think so.
• 1:09:28
  Ariel's pretty short.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  She's about that.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  She's about that five, two, five, three.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah.
• 1:09:33
  So Ariel is still, still hanging in with,
• 1:09:36
  with that.
• 1:09:37
  But I mean,
• 1:09:38
  you're seeing more and more now that,
• 1:09:41
  that it is, you know, it's like that five,
• 1:09:45
  five to five,
• 1:09:46
  eight ish built like a brick shit house,
• 1:09:49
  like able to handle strong man.
• 1:09:52
  They're two different body types.
• 1:09:55
  Say that.
• 1:09:56
  Christy.
• 1:09:57
  Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  A hundred percent.
• 1:09:59
  Yes.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Ariel Stauder for sure.
• 1:10:04
  You know, and,
• 1:10:05
  and especially like lower body legs trunk,
• 1:10:08
  you know?
• 1:10:11
  Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  I think it's going to get
• 1:10:12
  harder and harder.
• 1:10:13
  I do.
• 1:10:14
  I just think that's the
• 1:10:15
  evolution of the sport.
• 1:10:17
  It's going to get harder and
• 1:10:18
  harder for athletes of that size,
• 1:10:21
  especially on the women's side.
• 1:10:23
  Yeah.
• 1:10:23
  I mean, you can get away with it in a way,
• 1:10:25
  you know, I guess this, this,
• 1:10:28
  young girl from, from, uh, Switzerland,
• 1:10:31
  Mirjam.
• 1:10:32
  Uh, we'll see.
• 1:10:35
  I mean,
• 1:10:36
  some of the numbers she's putting
• 1:10:37
  up are astounding.
• 1:10:38
  You know, you look at it, I mean,
• 1:10:39
  her engine numbers are incredible.
• 1:10:40
  She's high rock.
• 1:10:41
  She runs a sub five, uh, 21, 5k, 20,
• 1:10:44
  sub 21 minute 5k.
• 1:10:45
  Uh,
• 1:10:47
  apparently she has some things on her
• 1:10:49
  Instagram or her YouTube
• 1:10:51
  where she did like
• 1:10:51
  350 wall balls unbroken and 60,
• 1:10:56
  60 squats at a hundred kilos unbroken,
• 1:11:00
  like some like ridiculous numbers,
• 1:11:02
  power endurance numbers.
• 1:11:04
  Um, but we'll see, you know, um, what,
• 1:11:09
  what,
• 1:11:09
  what's that going to look like at semis?
• 1:11:11
  I, you gotta show me I'm like Missouri.
• 1:11:14
  I'm the show me state, right?
• 1:11:15
  Like, yeah, show me.
• 1:11:17
  I gotta see it to, to believe it,
• 1:11:19
  you know?
• 1:11:20
  We've seen a lot of people
• 1:11:21
  in the past finish
• 1:11:22
  incredibly well in the Open
• 1:11:24
  and then go to semis and get crushed.
• 1:11:27
  I'm not saying that's going
• 1:11:28
  to happen to her.
• 1:11:29
  I just got to see it.
• 1:11:30
  If she goes and she does it
• 1:11:31
  and she qualifies for the games,
• 1:11:33
  then we're all going to be like, okay,
• 1:11:34
  she's the real deal.
• 1:11:36
  If she goes to semifinals
• 1:11:37
  and finishes 37th,
• 1:11:38
  then we'll know that too.
• 1:11:40
  Yep.
• 1:11:43
  Well, my friend, as always,
• 1:11:45
  this has been a blast.
• 1:11:46
  I could chat with you all night.
• 1:11:47
  Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Thank you.
• 1:11:49
  Always a pleasure.
• 1:11:50
  Family obligations.
• 1:11:51
  My wife just came home,
• 1:11:53
  so go have dinner with her.
• 1:11:54
  I got it.
• 1:11:55
  Thank you for jumping on and
• 1:11:56
  being so transparent.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, it's my pleasure.
• 1:12:00
  Always a pleasure to be with you guys.
• 1:12:01
  Thank you.
• 1:12:02
  Can't wait to see you back out on the road,
• 1:12:04
  man.
• 1:12:04
  Thanks, man.
• 1:12:05
  Me too.
• 1:12:06
  All right, with that,
• 1:12:07
  thank you everybody in the
• 1:12:08
  chat for contributing to the questions,
• 1:12:11
  and we'll see everybody
• 1:12:11
  next time on Clydesdale Media Podcast.
• 1:12:15
  Bye, guys.