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1995's Glory Daze · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf presents it to the other for discussion.
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  This week coming off of Phil's shelf, 1995's glory days.
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  Written and directed by Rich. Wilkes the man, Yes, the Legends
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  one hit wonder. One might say, Philip, why is
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  this movie on your shelf where you sloshed, perhaps?
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  No, to be clear, those are your drinking days 95.
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  Come on. No, not at all.
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  I didn't start drinking. I was in my 20s ohe.
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  Pussy. Yeah, yeah.
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  I had a good solid run, you know.
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  Yeah, this is what my weed days. Actually, yeah, you're glory
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  days. You were in a.
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  Days, I was going to the theatre a lot. 95 yeah.
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  Yeah. Ironically, this wasn't in
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  theatres anyway. VHS Why is this?
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  Movie. This is a movie that I at the
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  time hadn't fully become aware of Ben Affleck, so the love
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  wasn't born of that. Not till 98.
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  That's right, it was a recommendation from my dear
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  friend Lawrence, whom we've commonly referred to as Larry.
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  He doesn't mind. He does not mind.
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  Maybe he does did back in the day for sure, but he was big
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  into the punk scene, OK? I think the soundtrack is what
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  drove him there and I saw it and it's right in my wheelhouse.
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  You know, we've talked about this over the years and
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  certainly movies like Beautiful Girls, but these pivot points in
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  someone's life, the questioning what the next move is, this
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  decision to stay or leave and certain things and comfort.
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  Those are all things that really resonated with me 25 years ago,
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  30 years ago. And so that was a real impetus
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  and it I got, you know, it was a DVD and I've never seen in any
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  other format that made no special features.
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  You know, there's, I remember the box art, like the top of
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  that is French Stewart. He's the man.
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  So like the idea that French Stewart is your big sell in a
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  movie was crazy to me. He's big in 95.
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  Buddy, yeah, he was certainly bigger than Sam Rockwell would
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  be and certainly bigger than Ben Affleck would be.
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  So it's born out of that. It's a real tribute to Larry
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  that I owned it because I was like, oh, I really like this.
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  We watched it together and I was like, I'm all for.
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  It thanks Larry, appreciate it. As I jokingly mentioned about
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  the going to the theatre every 95 and this was nowhere to be
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  seen, I looked up IMDb. It has no critic views so it
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  might have been straight to DVD and that's fine.
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  Yeah, it wasn't a made for TV movie.
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  Truth disqualified qualifies. But while I'm in here, I'll give
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  a description of what this movie is about.
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  According to Old Faithful. With college graduation pending,
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  the old gang tries to avoid the inevitability of breaking up and
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  going forward with their lives. Let's bang on 100%.
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  If there's one thing they got right about this movie, it's the
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  I MB DA joke. Now, Phillip, I want to preface
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  this with two things. OK, if that's OK, The double,
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  double preface. The DP, I like to call it.
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  It's your birthday weekend. Yeah.
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  I feel that you may be strongly connected to this movie.
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  Now we know why, Larry, and for other reasons.
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  So I am going to pretend to love it.
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  Don't be generous. Don't you dare do it.
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  I I did narrow down to two major gripes.
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  I have lots of comments, don't worry about that.
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  But the gripes I got 2 distinct ones and out of respect you and
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  being your birthday weekend, I watched it three times.
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  That impresses me, yes. The other thing I want to say is
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  when I negatively speak about these characters, which will
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  happen because they are losers. Between the ages of 16 and 35, I
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  was a loser. You gotcha.
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  I am. That are you suggesting your
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  post loser now? I am post loser if you can
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  believe it. Alright, so when I insult them
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  in the film, I am in turn insulting myself.
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  Gotcha. But chicks love self
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  degradation. What's that?
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  Word deprecation, yes, and degradation too.
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  I suppose. Been degraded one or two.
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  Yeah, twice in. Your life Happily so signed up
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  for it, but there we go. So, glory days.
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  With Zed I want to be. Clear, I said, And the TV's from
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  last week. I was certain this was dazed.
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  And. Confused.
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  I thought you might. With Matthew, yeah, Affleck, but
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  instead of Cole Hauser, we get like Matt Damon for two seconds.
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  So you definitely some distinct differences and that was more
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  weed heavy. This was more.
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  And dazing. Confused.
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  Yeah, sure. 70s pot. Sure.
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  Yeah. And this is drinking, too.
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  There's there. There is, but I remember the
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  weed. This one is we're focused in on
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  the booze, which we'll obviously talk about as a theme throughout
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  the movie though Phillip, but here we.
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  Are yes, absolutely. And if you could do me one
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  favor, if you allow this at the end, can we rank these by Who's
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  the Biggest Loser for fun? Yeah, OK.
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  When I'm prepared, so it won't be.
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  Yeah, that's fine. And you can slot yourself.
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  In where I fit on the scale. At the age of 22.
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  OK, OK, give or take. Sure.
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  OK. I think that's a great idea.
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  But before we get to the end, let's get to the beginning.
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  Makes sense. The movie begins with a voice
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  over, and we talked a lot about voiceovers lately, so we're not
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  going to bother spending time. But it is a way to introduce a
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  large swath of characters and giving them, I don't want to say
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  stereotypes. The movie isn't really
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  stereotypical because they're all kind of the same, just
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  variations on a theme, if you will.
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  Yeah, I direction. That's right.
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  What's next? But I do like that in order to
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  ground us, it's a very short movie, like, you know, a tight
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  90. I wasn't expecting a 2 hour film
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  that's not built for that. So exactly right.
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  And so because of that, in the case of brevity, I don't need to
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  spend a ton of time with these characters because they are just
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  sort of two-dimensional setups. So we introduced Jack, who's
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  played by Ben Affleck. Of course, his theme generally
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  unhappy with his girlfriend or he got dumped.
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  So he's just sort of generally unhappy.
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  Rob is with a girlfriend and he's not sure if he's happy and
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  wants to figure out what the next step is.
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  Sure. And that's played by Sam
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  Rockwell. Yes, in a very early
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  performance. Dennis, the lead actor in the
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  movie. French Stewart.
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  Rossey Stewart from 30 Rock. 30 Rock.
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  Yes, Phillip. No, There's a rock.
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  There's a planet. There's a lift cow too.
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  Yes, 30 planets from the sun. Yeah, something.
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  Like that? Yeah, not my world.
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  I didn't really watch it, but it certainly was.
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  Aware. Yeah.
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  Third Third rock from the third. Thing you wanna make sure
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  people. Know well that I'm not an idiot
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  exactly let's be clear about loser he's the headmaster of the
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  dorm or the frat house that they're living in and he's a
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  career student that he says he's just kind of always taking a
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  post doctorate and a postgraduate degree over and.
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  Over. I knew a guy like that and he's
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  in the attic too. That's important truth.
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  That's where you want. To be Yeah, he peaked.
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  He started in the basement. You get to the exactly.
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  Drake knows what's up. We got Slosh.
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  Your real name is. Josh.
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  That was it. Josh.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  Become slosh. OK, Makes sense.
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  He's a genius generally anyway. Questionable.
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  Became drunk. Yeah, he did.
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  Very relatable. Well, you're half there.
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  Yeah, yeah. So touché took me a second to
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  know what that meant. Yeah, there it is.
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  Ricky, who's kind of a laughable, affable, lovable guy,
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  that's he's a comic book creator, but he's the sad lonely
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  guy. So French Stewart, Dennis, the
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  guy that you would look and go, he's got his stuff together.
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  He's just a little weird in comparison to everybody.
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  And then everybody else has their arcs or their themes and
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  so forth. And I'm surprised to hear that
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  you dislike this movie so much, or at least the implication that
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  you dislike this movie so. Much.
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  Just the implied times, just the implication.
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  Don't worry about it, losers. Yeah, because I feel like
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  there's something at least potentially to glom onto with
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  each of these characters. A little bit stereotypical, I
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  hate to use the term, but two-dimensional characters, I
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  would assume that you were able to at least find some of
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  yourself or some of the questions or themes or things
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  like that at some point in your life.
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  Well, you see, I like my characters like I like my porn
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  3D. Gotcha.
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  Gotcha. OK, virtual.
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  I just, of course, you know, connection wise I was able to
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  have a little bit with each character.
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  Yeah, good. Like with Slosh, the alcoholism
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  I guess would be the obvious one there.
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  Rob, the pussy whipped stereotype nature of his
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  character. Yeah, been there Mickey.
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  Sad, lacking confidence. Certainly Dennis being an older
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  student is what I originally wrote down and then when I
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  watched it again I noticed he had golf clubs.
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  At the end. He's a golfer.
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  Yep. Connection made, locked it in.
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  Yeah. And then Jack just kind of a sad
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  dude, but pretending everything is OK.
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  So I didn't have like, a direct, of course, not connection to
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  this movie, but I was able to at least have that.
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  What it really did for me, the movie overall was highlights the
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  drinking culture we have in North America in general.
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  So that was something that popped to me this time in
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  hindsight of living my life now versus back then.
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  So it was kind of interesting to watch and sad at the same time.
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  Interesting pick that apart. So some judgment, major
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  judgments. But on myself too, like I as I
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  said at the beginning, I did variations of these things.
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  And maybe that's part of the reason I didn't like it, because
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  I don't have fond memories of that life, because there's a
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  fine line between living and learning and just being stupid.
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  He's this guy. He's wearing his Hate comic book
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  T-shirt and the guys doing schtick to hand out all the
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  tassels and the hats and the cloaks and such.
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  And there's something about Line U frustration.
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  OHS you talking with Sean Whalen scene?
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  Yeah, that's your boy. Oh, yeah.
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  He's a twister, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's my boy.
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  He's one of my favorite scenes. It's great.
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  He's hilarious. One liner, just like banging
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  them out per person. I think he has every right to
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  criticize his haircut. Oh yeah, it's talking about
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  here. That's 1990.
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  I had the goatee for awhile. I would never do it again.
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  No. I'm not allowed to, actually.
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  It's not that I don't want. Did it for one day and I was
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  done. Yeah, I got voted off.
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  The hair is questionable, but that's, you know, that's just
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  exactly. It's like saying perms in the
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  80s or shoulder pads, like yeah, it's just the way it is.
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  That line up frustration is something that I really both
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  connect with because I worked in retail for so long and worked at
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  the airport for so long that I just see people's eyes glaze
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  over. Oh yeah, rage and frustration.
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  And yes, I've been retail buddy. I know.
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  That's all. Right, like Sean Whalen, I would
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  stretch it out a little bit, you know, if I knew that the guy
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  behind was. Angry.
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  You're in control. I don't know that I'm playing.
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  Those absolutely fiddle. Yeah.
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  I used to sacrifice his sale periodically.
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  Yeah. And like, no, we don't have the
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  phone in stock. I'm sorry you've waited all that
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  time. I got nothing.
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  I ever tell you the Apple story. I'm going to tell the Apple
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  story. I would love I.
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  Think the statute is gone now but so I worked at the video
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  store and it was Apple release day one of the iPhones.
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  I don't remember the iteration mid 2.
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  Thousands Terrible sales person. And I was very anti cell phone,
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  as you know, particularly in the early days.
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  Yes, three or four people milling about the front of the
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  store. Now I get there around 7, door
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  opens around 9:00. I set up the wall.
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  It was, you know, doing all the things and things I love, and
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  then I wait and wait and wait and I know what they're there
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  for. What else would they be there
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  for? I get to the door at 5 minutes
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  to 9 and I said are you guys here for the phone?
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  And they go, yeah, I said. We don't have any.
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  So we made him wait the two. Hours.
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  I made him wait the two hours. Nice, I said.
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  There's a store up the road, they'll probably have some.
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  And they were so mad at me. They won't have any by the time
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  they get there. Exactly.
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  You know, it's the best part of that story.
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  Though. 4 phones sitting in the. Oh, you dirty Rascal.
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  I just didn't want to deal with the sales and I didn't like,
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  Speaking of management, I didn't like that they were doing this
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  like freaks, you know, lined up for a phone.
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  It's a poor reflection of our society.
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  People like that. Poor reflection on everybody
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  involved. Just waiting for a phone for
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  like, it's ridiculous, Yeah. But I'm also a pretty distinct
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  asshole for that. Of course, that's why we love
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  you. And I've waited out overnight
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  for the mini SNES for the PlayStation.
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  OK, wait a minute. That's.
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  But anyway, that's just a funny. Story for you.
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  I'm sure I heard it before but it's like I'm hearing for the
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  first time. I love it.
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  So anyway, that guy kind of manipulating Jack a little bit
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  made me smile. But I've also been in line
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  sometimes where I ended up paying for an old lady's grocery
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  bill. Good for you.
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  Because she was just taking too God damn long.
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  Like, you know, just put these three things with her and I'll
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  pay for let's go. She can bang it.
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  I've got to. Go good for.
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  You. So that's that and we get Rob
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  and Mickey. They've off to their own thing
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  and this scene doesn't really have any other purpose.
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  Yeah, I don't know if it needs to be in.
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  The but to give us Matthew McConaughey, he's great.
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  What are your thoughts on his performance here?
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  He's fine. We've talked about him a little
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  bit of Interstellar, you know, we've mentioned in the past,
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  but. He's doing his thing, I think.
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  It's just a crazy, bizarre series of choices that's
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  happening in this scene right now.
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  It's just. To amplify Robb's situation,
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  generally speaking, I appreciate the Mickey.
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  I appreciate the drinking on the job.
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  These are things I've done. He's looking a little.
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  Disheveled, to say the least, He.
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  Is his wife is leaving like he's.
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  Just he's yeah, I'm sure he. Had fun with it.
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  Oddly enough, when I watched it the second third time I'm like
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  what is this job? But to me it looked.
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  Like a U-Haul rental place, you don't sell that.
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  They just come in like I need one.
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  That's it. These guys aren't keeping the
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  truck. Maybe it's sales?
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  And rentals maybe covering both sides of it, just there's.
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  No reason for this to be a sales position.
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  What size of truck do you need? How much stuff do you have?
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  For how long do? You and bring.
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  It back on this day. Make sure it's gassed up.
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  Sign here please. So seem pretty unnecessary when
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  I realized that they were just all this U hauls essentially.
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  Considering where this guy's went, what a strange, bizarre
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  performance in a strange, bizarre movie.
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  There's a lot of that. Though when you like of actors,
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  you go back and we forget them or haven't seen them or just
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  have these small roles, Yeah, it's kind of fun.
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  It is kind of fun and like looking at Sala, who plays
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  Luther, John Reese Davis. Oh yes.
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  Yes, that establishes. Dennis's, well, Luther's
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  affection, that relationship led me before we get too deep into
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  it, but that relationship and how Dennis is seeking approval
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  right as an artist, as a student and so forth.
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  And Luther offers the opportunity to continue his
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  studies and beyond under study. Exactly.
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  You know what I mean? Yeah.
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  So we're presented them as two-dimensional characters in
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  the opening sort of montage and introduction through the
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  voiceover and these first wave of scenes.
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  I would suggest make them a little bit 3 dimensional, add
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  some depth to their character for sure.
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  Exactly. These are real.
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  People, I didn't feel anybody terribly stereotype.
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  No, the only people that really struck me is not real really,
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  was guys like Matthew McConaughey, who I'm sure, but
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  that performance is so heightened.
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  But that's for jokes, right? That's clearly just to be
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  actually and hilarious. And that's early on.
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  I forget about that scene like, yeah, 3 minutes after.
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  And if it weren't anyone but Matthew McConaughey, you
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  probably would never think of that scene again.
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  Right? Like, but because it's such a
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  huge star in our modern world, to watch him in this, you're
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  like, holy shit, there he is. You know, So it makes a little
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  bit more memorable. Handsome, good looking man.
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  Not so much in that movie, but I have to tell you, you know
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  Mickey is the comic book artist. Uh huh.
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  His. Caption to the cartoon.
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  Even Hitler had a girlfriend. I love it.
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  Yeah, it's true though in 1995 I was a really sad, pathetic,
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  lonely, sad, pathetic boy. I would suggest watching this
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  movie that Mickey was be the one that I'm most connected to that
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  is. Too bad to hear, yeah?
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  Because he's. The worst in this?
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  Tell me. He's sympathetic, We.
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  Talked about a couple weeks ago in Rounders.
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  I don't know if you remember our conversation.
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  I remember everything. Buddy.
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  Not only is he a bad character, he's a bad actor.
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  Yeah. I thought he was terrible in
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  this movie. He didn't act again.
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  He had a small yeah, like, yeah, like one small role.
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  I think I looked at his filmography and he's making
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  terrible, terrible choices. I did not like him at all, you
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  know, And his whole arc was the least spoiler.
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  Yeah, sure. At the end of our rankings,
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  Yeah. Least favorite.
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  Yeah. I like nothing about this guy.
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  OK, Good artist. And then like his dreads?
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  No. Well, I mean, I don't.
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  Care something, I don't care, but I mean, I don't like the
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  overalls with no shirt underneath.
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  Yeah. That I don't like, yeah, I don't
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  record. I.
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  Have now, if not before, but that There, I'll say that now
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  leave that little tease you've already spoiled.
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  Yeah, yeah, spoiled my number one least favorite character at
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  the end. You know I don't.
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  Think you're wrong. I think ultimately the character
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  that I connected with, then I look back and much like maybe
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  how you're looking at your drunken self from those 8 is
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  with a bit of shame and a bit of like, wow, yeah.
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  It was like, I was that guy, which I thought I was that guy.
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  Yeah. Of course, from a romantic point
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  of view, it's like, oh, he's such a sweet kid who just can't
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  find love and he's trying. But in hindsight, watching you
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  going like, yeah, I wouldn't want to hang out with this guy,
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  no. Absolutely not.
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  And so those. Are things that I can look at
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  myself and think, well that's maybe why I didn't have a
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  girlfriend was. You know some of those things,
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  right? Like that's what I'm projecting
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  out the problem. With this is he gets the.
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  Girl, in the end, yeah, but it's only Alyssa Milano, one of the
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  most beautiful women in the world, so she's the boss.
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  Right. As I'm concerned he's great my.
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  Brother had posters of her she's.
• 18:25
  Gorgeous fan in her. So like at.
• 18:26
  Least it's realistic in the end is what I'm saying.
• 18:29
  Yeah, sure. That's it.
• 18:30
  Yeah. And this is actually the point
• 18:32
  where we meet her character, Alyssa.
• 18:34
  I don't even know her name in the movie.
• 18:36
  Chelsea. Chelsea is her name.
• 18:38
  Chelsea, Chelsea. And it's good that she's there.
• 18:41
  So Joni? Yep.
• 18:44
  Isn't the only? Girl, yeah, I love this.
• 18:46
  Rob's girlfriend tags along. They say before don't bring.
• 18:50
  Her. Don't bring her, Don't bring
• 18:52
  her. It's a guys.
• 18:54
  Day guys, day boys, hang out now.
• 18:57
  I don't want to get. Into a big thing with you.
• 18:59
  OK, We're dealing with another Joe.
• 19:01
  Yes, yes. You know we lost.
• 19:03
  On me so I'm. Interested to see what.
• 19:04
  Side of the fence you land on on this.
• 19:07
  Should she be there? Is it OK that she's there?
• 19:10
  Can the world's collide, Phil? Because George Costanza would
• 19:13
  say they cannot. I am on the George side.
• 19:17
  Of things, yes, OK, I am not. I find it very challenging in
• 19:21
  the past in my life and still today to integrate not just boys
• 19:27
  and girls or what have you, but also video store friends versus
• 19:31
  airline friends. Different pockets.
• 19:33
  I feel it. They exist in their own world,
• 19:36
  compartmentalized in their own space.
• 19:38
  That's your game. That's how it is.
• 19:40
  I wish I. Could be more like that's why
• 19:42
  you've never met. Anybody I worked with at the
• 19:43
  airport? Store.
• 19:45
  Friend and that is it. Pretty much submit.
• 19:48
  That one guy I met, sure, but the other the other day, yeah.
• 19:51
  Don't know Larry. Larry love to I met some at the
• 19:56
  wedding, obviously, but I don't remember anything.
• 20:00
  I was one of these guys. That's right, I was sloshed.
• 20:02
  So that makes. Complete sense to me, it changes
• 20:05
  the dynamic and particularly when you're 1819 years old and
• 20:08
  much more maybe than now. But yeah, it's a thing.
• 20:11
  Now you're like 1. Person more.
• 20:13
  Yeah, maybe not, you say, but you're Phil.
• 20:15
  Yeah, I'm Dave and I can be the same person.
• 20:18
  That's right in every situation though, However, though I do
• 20:20
  still find myself a bit of a chameleon, of course, a little
• 20:23
  bit differently and go. And that's just my human nature.
• 20:25
  Yeah. I think it's because you're
• 20:26
  probably unhappy with yourself. I could.
• 20:28
  Sounds about right. Well, it's the thing that I.
• 20:30
  Do Right, Like, you're sort of like you're this person to these
• 20:32
  people because they know you as this person.
• 20:34
  Yeah. And it's not always so dark or,
• 20:36
  you know, whatever it's built in.
• 20:37
  It is human nature, I think, to find your personality can pivot,
• 20:41
  right? If someone's really sad and
• 20:43
  you're the funny guy, you can either use that to liven them up
• 20:47
  or you can modulate down South that you're more maybe sensitive
• 20:50
  guy today versus whatever I've been known to modulate.
• 20:53
  Now my additional thought to this scene was I would almost
• 20:57
  accept her being there if she enjoyed the event, but once I
• 21:02
  saw her more or less upset that she got wet, I'm like, you're
• 21:06
  not even having fun with what's here, the rides and stuff.
• 21:10
  Was she? Upset because she got wet?
• 21:12
  Or was she upset because Rob told her to shut the fuck up?
• 21:15
  Oh, at that point. Had he said that?
• 21:17
  I don't. I'm not sure the.
• 21:18
  Timeline OK but definitely when she gets told to shut the fuck
• 21:21
  up she's not happy. Fair.
• 21:23
  Enough. It's just not a good idea and to
• 21:25
  me that's the big crux of it. And her character, I will say
• 21:29
  that she's got Joe like qualities, which is to say, oh.
• 21:33
  Not. Supportive of yeah, whatever.
• 21:36
  She has friends. Exactly.
• 21:38
  Do your thing. You're seeing mom in the morning
• 21:41
  for breakfast. Yeah.
• 21:41
  One thing that irked me about watching this movie in hindsight
• 21:45
  because I didn't do this is you can balance these things is how
• 21:49
  Doesn't have to be 1 or nothing. One or the other.
• 21:52
  You can have a girlfriend and have guy friends too and manage
• 21:55
  that, it just takes a certain level of maturity and strength
• 21:59
  where you're not bothered by the constant ribbing that the guys
• 22:03
  might give you because they're either jealous or just
• 22:06
  frustrated with. That's their relationship to
• 22:07
  you, right? I bust your balls, you bust my
• 22:09
  balls. And one of my best friends,
• 22:11
  Graham's, another video store guy.
• 22:13
  Never met him, though. I don't.
• 22:14
  Know why I was a video store guy?
• 22:16
  Just saying he was at the wedding, OK?
• 22:19
  But I remember meeting his then girlfriend for the first time
• 22:24
  and I remember busting his balls and kind of busting her balls
• 22:29
  the same way I would bust his balls.
• 22:31
  Because to me, we're all part of the same.
• 22:34
  You're like family. You told me this.
• 22:35
  Thing, yes, I remember now and then later.
• 22:37
  I distinct memory of like. Why are you such an asshole?
• 22:41
  And I thought. Oh, I didn't modulate.
• 22:44
  I was like, no, I'm going to bust your balls because I like
• 22:47
  busting balls. She has no balls and she has no
• 22:49
  balls. That's on him for not giving
• 22:50
  her. The skinny on you.
• 22:54
  Came in a little like Hot Hot General, but anyway, so that was
• 22:57
  something where to think about the way that relationship goes.
• 23:00
  In this moment. I was again reminded that this
• 23:03
  is very telling. This is how it goes.
• 23:06
  And in later life, like you said, you can merge and
• 23:08
  integrate. But it still is a thing, I think
• 23:10
  even today, if you brought your wife to a cottage.
• 23:15
  Trip Cottage, there's a good example, right?
• 23:17
  You you would act completely different.
• 23:19
  Maybe not completely. But you would act differently.
• 23:21
  I sure. Yeah.
• 23:22
  And everyone around you would then act differently as well.
• 23:25
  But I could be like 80% of myself anywhere I take my wife.
• 23:29
  And I think that's a win if you can hit that.
• 23:31
  Oh, yeah, sure, Mark. Yeah.
• 23:32
  You're never going to be 100. Percent, I don't think it's
• 23:34
  wrong to not be 100% necessarily, but it does change
• 23:37
  the dynamics. It does change.
• 23:39
  Cannot be a below 50% if you're within your lines everybody.
• 23:44
  At that point, you're. Just then it's.
• 23:45
  That's a problem, yeah. So I really.
• 23:47
  Like the scene, I like the way that relationship is called out
• 23:49
  because Rob is at that point where he wants to be with the
• 23:52
  boys and you see him wrestle throughout the whole movie.
• 23:54
  It's really his movie. I think he's the strongest
• 23:57
  character. Ohm, how are?
• 23:59
  You now spoiling shit. Well, I mean like he's got the.
• 24:02
  Best arc, yeah, I would say. And everybody else is just
• 24:05
  fucking around. But he's the only one with any
• 24:07
  real, at that point, responsibility.
• 24:08
  Yeah, I really have. Given away the first and last
• 24:10
  because it's really the game a little, you know?
• 24:13
  Three of them are interchangeable.
• 24:15
  We do find out also that Mickey is good at piggyback rides.
• 24:20
  I've never. Done one.
• 24:21
  No, I don't of the upper strength or.
• 24:25
  Somebody. Yeah, I don't have that.
• 24:26
  What I liked about it as well, just to put a cap on that
• 24:29
  particular scene, is that Alyssa Milano shows up, Chelsea shows
• 24:32
  up, and everybody is like, hey, chills, come on in.
• 24:36
  Which is one of the. Guys, one of the.
• 24:37
  Guys, but not really because so it's like it's boys and it's
• 24:39
  boys night girl. It's a relationship.
• 24:41
  Status, yeah, it's a whole different.
• 24:42
  World, right? Yeah, It's not gender.
• 24:44
  Specific, yeah. You know what's funny is I
• 24:46
  certainly remember not being able to do things like that
• 24:50
  because I had to be with. The girlfriend?
• 24:53
  Yeah, sure. So I I can't say.
• 24:55
  I have a lot of memories of those days out with the guys
• 24:59
  now. I do have memories of being in a
• 25:02
  house or apartment that I lived in with a couple of guys a
• 25:05
  little bit later in my life. We had a bar as well, one of our
• 25:08
  roommates with school, he built it.
• 25:10
  So that was kind of cool. I did like that, but I'm not
• 25:15
  sure that I want to stay in that forever.
• 25:19
  I love living alone. But here we have Jack suggesting
• 25:24
  that let's stick around for at least another year, or forever,
• 25:29
  as he says, because that takes balls.
• 25:32
  And I don't know if you picked up on this, he's playing darts.
• 25:36
  At first I thought the clock was the dartboard, but.
• 25:39
  He just has bad. Aim.
• 25:40
  I saw the dartboard later to the left, but we had a few drinks
• 25:44
  and he stops the clock essentially.
• 25:47
  Now we found out from draft day. The good ones know how to slow
• 25:51
  it down, but clearly he's one of the great ones because Ben here,
• 25:56
  Jack has found a way to stop the clock.
• 25:58
  That's right. And live witness forever.
• 26:01
  Yep. There you go for a however on
• 26:03
  the nose that. Metaphor is obviously a little
• 26:06
  bit, but. That's OK, I love it Get.
• 26:07
  One freebie. I love it.
• 26:09
  Yeah, because I get that feeling, whether it be on
• 26:13
  vacation, whether that be in certain circumstances in my life
• 26:18
  along the way. I was going when I moved to
• 26:19
  Vancouver, I was going to be for one year.
• 26:22
  OHP called it. That was it and when I year
• 26:25
  ended it was like 8-9 years. Wasn't it I was there for.
• 26:27
  Just under 10. And what happened was I just
• 26:31
  wanted more. I did.
• 26:31
  Why would I give that up, right? And I wanted to do new things
• 26:34
  and different things. I met new people and all of a
• 26:36
  sudden it's one year, I'll do one more.
• 26:38
  Time flies at that. Age and then I'll do 1.
• 26:40
  More because I want to live alone and then I'm all alone and
• 26:43
  I want to live on the beach and why would I ever want to stop
• 26:45
  this from happening? So the idea that these guys feel
• 26:49
  like in that moment, and I moved out when I was 21, so they're
• 26:51
  like roughly in that same, yeah, same ballpark.
• 26:54
  Ballpark. And so it made complete sense to
• 26:56
  me in ways that I didn't understand in 95 because I was
• 26:59
  pretty miserable in that age, unhappy, lonely, sad, right?
• 27:03
  Like, so I don't want time to stop then.
• 27:05
  No, but seven years later in that same position, not
• 27:09
  graduating university, but in that same, I'm in a new place,
• 27:12
  new world. I want to keep time where it is.
• 27:14
  Time flies when you're. Having fun buddy, totally
• 27:16
  enjoying yourself and you don't want it.
• 27:18
  To fly though, right, you gotta slow it down like the greats.
• 27:22
  So this scene. Continues to resonate overtime.
• 27:24
  And also when I think back, and this is maybe more of this
• 27:27
  forlorn later in life thing, as you know, it's my birthday.
• 27:30
  As you mentioned the idea that time takes people away from you,
• 27:35
  right? I think back to some of my best
• 27:37
  friends in the world at the time and how many of them have stood
• 27:40
  around, right? You and I have been friends for
• 27:43
  almost, what is it, 26 years. We didn't meet in two. 1000
• 27:48
  Sorry 16. Years. 16 years.
• 27:50
  I carried A1 then I should have, right?
• 27:52
  Yeah, but like 16? Years and we're having I'm happy
• 27:54
  to be here and my friend Graham and Neville those and Randall,
• 27:57
  these are people I've known for 25 years can you rank us at the.
• 28:00
  End as well Try to do that. And Larry Lawrence is a guy that
• 28:03
  I knew in 1996 You. Make it sound like his name is
• 28:07
  Larry Lawrence Lawrence, but I don't.
• 28:09
  See these. People often when you do though,
• 28:12
  does it feel like I like it does always feels, yes.
• 28:15
  Yeah, that's the great thing about those.
• 28:17
  People, the problem is when I was living there, there were
• 28:20
  fifteen of those people that just didn't survive the day at
• 28:24
  the time and the distance or some of them died, right?
• 28:27
  Like that's just the world. So I just think that it's
• 28:30
  interesting that why wouldn't you want to capture?
• 28:32
  Because what time does is it takes people away, whether it be
• 28:35
  through death, something more morbid, or just time and space
• 28:38
  and move away and life goes on. And now we don't talk much
• 28:40
  anymore. I get that.
• 28:42
  I get the argument for Jack at that age for sure.
• 28:44
  Yeah. So we basically.
• 28:45
  Says like, no, we're going to try and crystallize this there.
• 28:48
  Something about that really, really crystallized with me.
• 28:50
  I would say it's poignant. Though, would you?
• 28:53
  Maybe. You don't really need an excuse
• 29:02
  to have a party at that age. And if you have the means, let's
• 29:06
  do it. Let's get the Flyers printed.
• 29:08
  Just don't give one to Matt Damon and not him.
• 29:12
  He's a PUD whacker. Yeah, he's pudd whacker.
• 29:14
  I don't know what that is. It's like multiple.
• 29:17
  Miggs in Silence of the Lambs, if you recall, no.
• 29:21
  He's the guy that. Just mercilessly jerks off all
• 29:24
  the time. OHT.
• 29:25
  Got you. Yeah.
• 29:26
  Now the real question to this, though, is have you ever been
• 29:29
  too drunk to fuck? I don't like to swear on the
• 29:31
  podcast, but I have to because that's just quoting you're.
• 29:34
  Just quit and that's the. Button he's wearing and I
• 29:37
  actually have the answer for that, Yes, Yeah.
• 29:39
  Oh yeah, I've been in many. Situations where I've had too
• 29:42
  much to drink and I can't operate whiskey Dick.
• 29:44
  That I did not understand until my mid 20s.
• 29:49
  I'm not going to share too. Much about this all to say is
• 29:51
  that is accurate now. I never used that as my in
• 29:55
  clearly no, but it's the fact it's like playing cool.
• 29:59
  You gotta find that sweet spot and sweet spot there.
• 30:02
  Yeah, but I only ever drink 2. Fuck really.
• 30:05
  So that was always like, this is my end.
• 30:07
  This is the only way I know Yeah, rarely went so far that I
• 30:10
  was like, ooh, that's smart is not working.
• 30:12
  I had no self-control right. So that one will be 20 and
• 30:16
  that's quick too right. So I remember passing out of my
• 30:19
  I think I told you this one. My girlfriend brought another
• 30:21
  girl over and things were up right through the wheels were in
• 30:24
  motion. I literally slept through it and
• 30:25
  like that that's. These are the memories I have
• 30:29
  from this, which is why I didn't maybe enjoy.
• 30:31
  Romanticism of those early days. Yeah, that's fair.
• 30:34
  Unfortunately, the closest analog I have was there was
• 30:38
  fireworks. Lived right on the beach.
• 30:39
  And there's a friend of mine lived above the this video
• 30:41
  store. So we had a that's cool.
• 30:43
  We called it Melrose Place because it was all like a bunch
• 30:45
  of courtyards. All the all the rooms came out
• 30:48
  into this courtyard. So we would hang out there and
• 30:51
  watch the fireworks. And I think I may have mentioned
• 30:53
  Rod Loray. Yeah, Yeah.
• 30:55
  From Jason. Michael Myers.
• 30:57
  Michael Myers close. OK, he was part of that group
• 31:00
  and I went to use his washroom and he had a urinal and oha
• 31:05
  toilet in his bathroom and I was like this is cool.
• 31:07
  That's the. Life right there and my buddy.
• 31:09
  Jay was like kind of my and he worked with us and he's an
• 31:11
  actor. He was in the first season of
• 31:13
  The Last of Us. He's popped up in there.
• 31:14
  Cool. Anyway, great guy.
• 31:16
  I worked until six party was starting at 6:00.
• 31:18
  So I was like, oh, went home quickly downed an entire bottle
• 31:22
  of Smirnoff ice in the shower. My God.
• 31:25
  And then did another one, then got to the bar, hit two shots,
• 31:29
  then went upstairs drive the shot of some moonshine.
• 31:32
  Oht my. God that stuff will kill you.
• 31:34
  Took a shot of moonshine. And so by 8:00 I was just
• 31:38
  comatose in the bathroom. Hmm.
• 31:41
  My paralyzed. What felt like from my waist
• 31:43
  down, I couldn't move. I'm sitting on the tub side.
• 31:46
  Yeah. Had vomited 3 times.
• 31:48
  People were coming in to use the washroom and I was like, I can't
• 31:52
  move. They lifted my legs to turn me
• 31:54
  over into the bathtub so that they could pee these women.
• 31:58
  Yeah. And then they would turn me
• 32:00
  back. I was in.
• 32:01
  Such dire. Straits and by 9:00 or 9:30 I'm
• 32:05
  totally sober. I basically gone through all of
• 32:07
  the cycles. Hmm.
• 32:09
  And by like maybe 10 I was like, OK.
• 32:12
  Let's go. Moonshine landed me in the
• 32:15
  bathtub. Fortunately, it was just me.
• 32:17
  Mike Pat. Like just the fellas.
• 32:18
  Sure, Mike got his hands on this moonshine.
• 32:21
  I think I was pissing in the sink or is going to at end of
• 32:25
  the bathtub and with mustard in my mouth.
• 32:27
  Like I was so weird. Questionable decisions, my man.
• 32:30
  No fond memories there. That's great.
• 32:32
  Yeah, too drunk to fuck that night.
• 32:34
  Yeah, I would say probably, Definitely so.
• 32:38
  I didn't even realize these guys had a band, and they kind of
• 32:42
  mentioned they did, but I meant like just a band of brothers,
• 32:46
  you know, just a posse. But no, we got Jack on drums.
• 32:49
  We got Rob, sexy lead singer. Guy.
• 32:52
  It is. Nice Jacket.
• 32:53
  It's him singing, too. Yeah, I can see that.
• 32:55
  Yeah. I don't love grunge music, OK.
• 32:58
  I listen to it a little bit in this era because I felt I was
• 33:03
  supposed to like that was the thing.
• 33:04
  But I liked a couple of Offspring songs.
• 33:06
  I had Green Day Dookie, so it's part of my repertoire a little
• 33:10
  bit. But now I have no sort of.
• 33:13
  Connection. I love all the music in this.
• 33:15
  It's upbeat. Yeah, give it that.
• 33:17
  Like Weezer? Yeah.
• 33:19
  Sure, Weezer like the muffs? Yeah, I love the soundtrack.
• 33:22
  I I figured you would. Yeah, fits the movie.
• 33:24
  I think generally speaking, it's that attitude, right?
• 33:26
  Southern California post teenage angst, you know, college years
• 33:29
  sort of thing. And Speaking of angst.
• 33:30
  Jack, in the midst of all of this, he shoots down Alyssa
• 33:34
  Milano. So right away, we're obviously
• 33:36
  watching a movie. Yeah.
• 33:37
  It's like Rounders. It's like Damon saying no to
• 33:40
  Famca. Yeah.
• 33:42
  Come on. I.
• 33:43
  Mean, I would have been busting your.
• 33:44
  Balls for months and you're saying no to Famca?
• 33:48
  I didn't like the. Whole how she works right
• 33:50
  shoulder thing. Really.
• 33:51
  Yeah, I didn't find her. Attractive, generally speaking,
• 33:53
  so that I was fine with this I respect because Mickey, sure,
• 33:58
  but. That's.
• 33:59
  Like, Sir, now I wouldn't have the courage or the backbone, the
• 34:03
  gumption to not do it. If she's after me, I'm in like I
• 34:06
  like. I'll worry about that later.
• 34:08
  Yeah, that's that's tomorrow's problem.
• 34:09
  Yeah. But his bigger problem is
• 34:12
  getting on that phone because once he says the FU to man
• 34:18
  hands, that's man hands. By the way, I don't know if you
• 34:21
  knew that Gillian from Seinfeld. Was it?
• 34:24
  Yeah, it was amazing when he was talking with his parents and
• 34:29
  she's topless. Yeah.
• 34:30
  I was just thinking about her hands.
• 34:32
  No, like, I want her hands actually.
• 34:33
  Not watching the movie, Right? No, we were hands.
• 34:37
  But that bridge is now burnt. Once you say that, there's no
• 34:42
  coming back to that. Now, I've.
• 34:44
  I haven't said that, but there's been conversations where things
• 34:48
  have been said and you can't come back from it.
• 34:51
  No, it doesn't matter. You can write a poem.
• 34:53
  You can do all these things. Flowers the.
• 34:56
  Whole thing that's like tattooed into their.
• 34:58
  Brain you can think you've. Gotten over cause that's what
• 35:00
  ends up happening with a lot of that stuff too, is that you say
• 35:02
  those things, you're like, no, no, here's the flowers, let's
• 35:04
  try it again. But it's there.
• 35:05
  It's there and it's tough to walk it back, OK.
• 35:08
  Can't be done, so yeah for him to.
• 35:09
  Dial the number and have all. The things.
• 35:12
  To say and and only come with fuck you because of how you're
• 35:17
  making me feel, There's something resonates with me on
• 35:19
  that too. Yeah, I've never really done
• 35:21
  that either. Like the fuck you think?
• 35:22
  But I did throw a can of coke at someone's head.
• 35:24
  So I mean, tempers can flare. Diet Coke.
• 35:28
  At least there's a Pepsi, actually.
• 35:29
  Ohk, that's important. Obviously didn't add her right,
• 35:32
  but it was like in the vicinity and it was pretty like my one of
• 35:36
  my lower moments could it deflected?
• 35:37
  Like the bullet in Armageddon at the beginning on the boat when
• 35:39
  Ben Affleck yes, no shot in the leg there.
• 35:41
  You don't know, you got to be careful buddy.
• 35:44
  It was outdoors so it was no deflection.
• 35:46
  But either way, I kind of appreciated that level of fuck
• 35:49
  you for making me feel that way. And another fuck you comes soon
• 35:52
  after this, which is Joni and her friends show up and they're
• 35:55
  a little drunk. This is a.
• 35:57
  Joe Mobile, this is Joe to me. Right, this is that kind of
• 35:59
  thing. Very close, and Rockwell has my
• 36:02
  favorite line in the movie. Second, maybe, probably my
• 36:06
  favorite line actually, where he just says don't do that.
• 36:10
  These are my friends. Yeah, I agree with you 100.
• 36:12
  Percent here. She wasn't very nice, no.
• 36:14
  And he kept it cool for a while and she was just pressing the
• 36:17
  buttons, Yeah. And I didn't appreciate it, no.
• 36:20
  Now I think that. Relationship can be salvaged.
• 36:23
  Nothing that couldn't be unsaid exactly for sure.
• 36:25
  But I was like, no, you don't. Just don't do that.
• 36:28
  Support. Yeah, Yeah.
• 36:29
  And that's where that line is like I'm being silly, goofy guy,
• 36:32
  as he says, she's just being mean and you're being mean.
• 36:34
  Yeah, it wasn't. Playful.
• 36:36
  That's it. There's a.
• 36:36
  Difference. Yeah.
• 36:37
  The principle of don't come to my house and make fun of me when
• 36:41
  it's not part of the vibe. What I did with Graham like that
• 36:46
  felt like we were all in it together and what happened was
• 36:49
  we weren't just a simple misunderstanding.
• 36:51
  That's it, right? I came a little too hot and it's
• 36:52
  fine. Obviously all of us are quick
• 36:54
  apology, fine, moving on. Now let's remember after this
• 36:57
  little outburst that Rob. Has to meet her mom.
• 37:02
  The crux, the whole thing in the morning.
• 37:04
  Yeah, but we get to the actual graduation, which I never
• 37:06
  experienced. I did graduate, but I didn't go
• 37:10
  to the no ceremonies for now. I just, I don't know.
• 37:13
  I don't know a lot of people. Don't like people?
• 37:16
  It's fair they don't like you. There we go, it's mutual.
• 37:20
  A couple important things here. Now I do want to touch on the
• 37:22
  gripes that I had because I have to get it in here.
• 37:25
  You're not getting off that easy. 2 ones that really
• 37:29
  irritated. This is one of them.
• 37:30
  OK? Rob is meeting Joni's mom 2
• 37:34
  seconds before he's about to introduce himself.
• 37:37
  Knowing he needs to speak, he fills his mouth up with food.
• 37:42
  Why would you do that if I'm about to shake your hand?
• 37:46
  A stranger, someone I've never met, let alone your girlfriend's
• 37:50
  mom, which to me is a big deal, chooses to not just take a bite,
• 37:54
  shoves the whole thing and chokes.
• 37:57
  Almost just do the high, easy explanation.
• 37:59
  What? Self-destruction.
• 38:01
  Self destruction? That's it.
• 38:03
  OK. Yeah, just you.
• 38:05
  Want. Yourself to subconscious in
• 38:06
  there subconscious I'm going to put it myself in a position to
• 38:08
  fail. I accept that.
• 38:10
  Still irritates me. Yeah.
• 38:13
  I don't think you can explain the other one I have, though.
• 38:16
  OK. At the party that we talked
• 38:18
  about French and I want to say, Rob, have a pee together.
• 38:22
  Yeah, and buddies in the bushes and they stop midstream.
• 38:29
  You can't cut it. Off.
• 38:30
  You can't cut it off. I've cut it off.
• 38:32
  You cannot cut it off. Cut it off.
• 38:33
  No. Walked around the block and I
• 38:35
  went back. There was no.
• 38:36
  Yeah, I don't think so, buddy. Maybe you did.
• 38:39
  I would. I ever since I would need
• 38:41
  footage. But they're acting like they
• 38:43
  don't have to pee. That's right.
• 38:44
  Even if you cut it off, you've got you have to go.
• 38:46
  So sell that to me. So didn't like that it was made
• 38:50
  clear out. I wouldn't go that far.
• 38:52
  I mean, I dream a lot of the work isn't where it needs to be.
• 38:55
  You know me, I dream a lot about peeing.
• 38:56
  Yeah. So I think if you thought.
• 38:59
  Back to your live 25 years ago, you might have been able to cut
• 39:02
  it off, I think. I think there's some.
• 39:04
  I can cut it off now because the prostate, you know, it's barely
• 39:07
  coming out. There we go.
• 39:09
  If you sleep on it wrong, I can stop no problem.
• 39:12
  But these guys at this age and those are drinking a lot of that
• 39:15
  hoppy beer, that dark beer, apparently bad for your
• 39:18
  prostate. That's trying to.
• 39:19
  That's what we've heard, according to Dennis, anyway.
• 39:22
  Dennis. Lays it out.
• 39:23
  I learned a lot. Learned a lot watching this
• 39:25
  movie, but more importantly, this chunk, this graduation
• 39:29
  section is really Jack focused. Yeah, We have a great performer,
• 39:35
  great actor that I felt like I should have known.
• 39:37
  Spalding Gray. Yeah, he's great, actually.
• 39:40
  Like this scene. We've seen him before.
• 39:41
  In a movie you will not remember unfortunately, but beaches.
• 39:45
  OK. He played one of her husbands in
• 39:47
  beaches. I see no.
• 39:48
  He is fantastic, but this is one of the few scenes where I can
• 39:52
  say I thoroughly enjoyed. Yeah, I can do that now.
• 39:56
  Just because the movie sucks doesn't mean I can't pick a
• 39:58
  scene and appreciate it. Perfect.
• 40:00
  I don't know why he had that huge meal in front of just him.
• 40:04
  Was that to be funny? I don't.
• 40:07
  Know he has this giant. A full hen.
• 40:10
  And it's not a shareable, it's in.
• 40:12
  Front of him and he's the only one like eating Lucky he didn't
• 40:15
  really. I didn't really.
• 40:16
  Yeah, of. Course you don't do that in.
• 40:17
  Movies observation I made, but I love this conversation and I
• 40:22
  think it's interesting to watch it being this age now and I
• 40:27
  found myself like no, I'm on Spaulding side I get Ben.
• 40:31
  I do so it's not like Ben you're stupid.
• 40:33
  What are you talking about? Yes, I.
• 40:35
  Think history has proven that we don't listen?
• 40:39
  We don't listen, and I don't think we're.
• 40:41
  Supposed to like, honestly like, you know, easier if we did.
• 40:44
  As I've of. Course if that's what time does
• 40:46
  right, like 50 year old me would say something different to 20
• 40:50
  year old me. I think we established a few.
• 40:53
  Months ago that the only person we would listen to looper yes is
• 40:56
  our future self, yeah. That's it.
• 40:58
  But. And that's not impossible right
• 41:00
  yet. And so give it a chance.
• 41:02
  So this scene I think crystallizes that ultimately
• 41:05
  because my father, when I got my first job at 15, he said one of
• 41:10
  the early things he said was, you know, you have to spend
• 41:12
  every dollar like of your paycheck, but you did, right.
• 41:15
  And I would. Say yeah, OK.
• 41:17
  And then I would go and spend my money.
• 41:19
  It's the first time I had any money.
• 41:21
  I'm 1516, right? I've got friends, I got movies,
• 41:23
  I got toys, I got whatever. That's fine.
• 41:26
  And don't make a. Habit of it?
• 41:28
  Why not? Well, we know why.
• 41:29
  Sure, but you live. Your life, right?
• 41:31
  And so I live for 10 years in Vancouver and went bankrupt in
• 41:35
  the midst of that. But in that time, you had fun.
• 41:38
  I lived the best years of my life.
• 41:41
  I saw things, I did things, I flew, I traveled, I did right.
• 41:44
  That's worth it for you in the long.
• 41:45
  So what's the consequence? But under someone else's
• 41:48
  guidance, I would have never done any of those things.
• 41:51
  Moving to Vancouver was going to cost you too much money.
• 41:53
  Don't do it. Buying that bed was going to
• 41:55
  cost you too much money, don't buy it.
• 41:57
  So none of those things would ever happened.
• 41:59
  I would happily trade all that money for the experiences that I
• 42:03
  had. Or working at a video store for
• 42:04
  11 years wasn't financially prudent.
• 42:07
  But the best friends in the world that I had, the best
• 42:09
  memories I had in the world, the most fun I had in the world was
• 42:13
  for maybe. But you don't know.
• 42:15
  So how did you not done those things?
• 42:17
  You could have had better experiences.
• 42:18
  Don't know that, that's the thing.
• 42:19
  So only in hindsight. When someone tell me it doesn't
• 42:22
  happen in the beginning right? So Jack saying I want to do
• 42:25
  these things for as long as I can, I think is the right
• 42:28
  attitude to have, even if 10 years later, say fuck my kid, 20
• 42:34
  years from now I'm gonna tell them don't make the same
• 42:36
  mistakes I did. But I don't look at them like
• 42:38
  mistakes. I don't think he would either.
• 42:39
  I think what? Is overlooked by us at that age.
• 42:42
  Is it's OK to, let's say, take a year off?
• 42:46
  What's missing from our thought process is you can still have a
• 42:50
  plan and share that plan with your parents.
• 42:55
  More like a better laid out way. Sure, Like this is what I'm
• 42:59
  going to do. I know I'm going to have to get
• 43:01
  a job at some point, but I'm going to take a year off.
• 43:03
  I'm going to work part time. I'm going to gather my thoughts.
• 43:06
  I'm going to have a little bit of fun.
• 43:08
  Sure, I'm going to save a little bit of money.
• 43:10
  And they really come up with something that they might be
• 43:13
  able to understand versus just graduated 17 minutes ago.
• 43:17
  I don't know what I'm going to do.
• 43:18
  Well, you know, you really should that you've had two year
• 43:21
  program. You should have an idea what you
• 43:23
  want to do when you graduate. It's like you don't have to wait
• 43:25
  till you graduate to take the next step.
• 43:27
  Of course, if that next step is taken you off or five.
• 43:30
  Or 10 my case. Right back to school at 44, but
• 43:35
  I regret that. I'm glad I did it, but I would
• 43:37
  have rather have done it, you know, 30 years ago.
• 43:40
  Sure, but only based on your ladder experiences.
• 43:42
  Right. And that's the whole trick of
• 43:43
  it, I think. Yeah.
• 43:44
  So it's challenging because of what you know versus what they
• 43:47
  know. So, and you know you're.
• 43:48
  Not me. You don't know anything, old
• 43:49
  man. Right?
• 43:50
  Like that relationship is. It's always there.
• 43:52
  Yeah. They just don't want you to.
• 43:53
  Make the same mistakes, but they made the.
• 43:54
  Same mistakes that their parents told them not to me right?
• 43:57
  Like, and that's what I mean. Like it's literally like every
• 43:59
  generation makes the same quote UN quote mistakes, which is
• 44:02
  something. Where I actually don't.
• 44:03
  Think they're mistakes anymore? See my.
• 44:05
  Issue I think primarily, not necessarily with the movie, but
• 44:09
  is making mistakes is going to happen.
• 44:11
  You learn from the mistakes. It's the extra layer of
• 44:15
  difficulty we put on ourselves with the drinking culture.
• 44:20
  We don't need to poison our bodies to that extent.
• 44:23
  We don't need to have all those hangovers.
• 44:25
  We don't need to base our whole lives around the drink.
• 44:30
  Now, I literally did that, yes. But when I see it, I'm like,
• 44:34
  it's too much of the focus in this culture.
• 44:37
  So you're making mistakes that you may not be able to come back
• 44:40
  on, that you've done permanent damage, as it were.
• 44:43
  It's not like I was in a relationship.
• 44:45
  It didn't work out. I learned from it.
• 44:47
  I grew from it, but that's not always the case.
• 44:50
  Sure, I was, I was jaded. I my relationships were terrible
• 44:53
  for the next 20 years because of that woman.
• 44:56
  Sure, I didn't learn I was destroyed from that because what
• 45:01
  I let her do to me, whatever. So it doesn't always work out,
• 45:04
  but the odds. Are more people can manage their
• 45:08
  drinking. If you want to use that example
• 45:11
  then can't possibly. And so the difference is one
• 45:14
  goes all in, like slosh is all in, right?
• 45:18
  Now, whether slosh stays all in or not will be determined in
• 45:22
  time. Right.
• 45:23
  Because sometimes there is a revelation.
• 45:25
  Sometimes you wake up and you're 40 years old, and you go, I'm
• 45:27
  done with this. Yeah.
• 45:28
  Or you drink it all the way to the grave.
• 45:31
  But there is a balance in between.
• 45:33
  That is, I did that. I'm done with that, and I'm
• 45:37
  going to do something else. Hmm.
• 45:39
  And whether it's somebody else's influence or it's your own
• 45:42
  reckoning or it's a doctor that tells you, hey, if you don't
• 45:44
  quit smoking, you're going to die.
• 45:46
  Oh, I should probably stop then. Yeah.
• 45:48
  And that changes your entire outcome to come back to my.
• 45:51
  Original point about liking Spalding Gray is I like the fact
• 45:56
  that they just leave and the other thing is you want to get
• 46:00
  back to or not you love her. They are supportive of that.
• 46:04
  But if you still love her, go after her.
• 46:06
  Like don't do nothing. Yes, make a decision.
• 46:09
  Sure, don't go corporate necessarily right?
• 46:11
  There's other options there. So not to these guys, right?
• 46:14
  That's the you listener you don't like.
• 46:16
  It's tricky thing, I know, but I do appreciate the parents
• 46:19
  support of his relationship. We'll back you with what?
• 46:22
  But you have to make a decision for us to back.
• 46:25
  It can't be like nothing, can't tread water.
• 46:27
  I think that's the big take away is they don't want him just
• 46:31
  treading water and they just parents just wanting the best
• 46:33
  for their kids. Absolutely.
• 46:35
  Absolutely, but you must have appreciated.
• 46:36
  Him in the mirror. I love it in the.
• 46:38
  Bathroom totally, like like 25th hour.
• 46:40
  Yeah, just speaking like I was dying.
• 46:44
  No, I understand. I understand.
• 46:46
  That Dad, I'll get you cleaned yeah right.
• 46:48
  Like all that, There's two or three like funny moments.
• 46:51
  Yeah, it's not as. Comedic as I remembered it when
• 46:53
  my mind was like, oh, this is a funny Yeah college movie.
• 46:57
  And I found it more earnest than that.
• 47:00
  Poignant, even. Yeah.
• 47:01
  Ernest Goes to Art College would be a good movie.
• 47:03
  Exactly. Yeah, that's.
• 47:04
  The next one speaking. Of funny, this is where I
• 47:07
  actually wrote down. I want more scenes like this.
• 47:10
  OK, more more scenes on the number.
• 47:12
  I thought this. Might be your favorite because
• 47:14
  all the the television connection.
• 47:16
  Yeah, fun. Times #3 Leah Remini, yeah.
• 47:21
  This is her. Character in King of Queens.
• 47:23
  Oh really? Oh yeah, she's a pretty much a
• 47:25
  OneNote, but she's drunk. She does it really well.
• 47:27
  Sure she insults Doug all the time.
• 47:30
  The funny thing is Brendan Fraser's characters name is
• 47:33
  Doug. Oh, that's.
• 47:34
  Right. You just mentioned the Doug,
• 47:36
  Doug. So that was a happy accident,
• 47:40
  but she just should keep that shit to herself.
• 47:42
  Yeah. What are your?
• 47:43
  Thoughts on the PDA you into it? No, no, a little bit.
• 47:47
  It's fine. But when it becomes like showy,
• 47:51
  like come on, what he doing here, not on the three.
• 47:54
  Like you remember you're. Smoothies.
• 47:57
  Nobody liked the smoothies. Those were irritating.
• 47:59
  I remember you and you're like, Oh my God, when you two were
• 48:02
  together, it was sickening. No offence.
• 48:05
  I could say that now. Yeah.
• 48:06
  Yeah, it certainly makes me sick.
• 48:08
  How's your hindsight on this? But I mean at the end day
• 48:11
  whatever, do your thing but. Keep me out of it, keep it off.
• 48:15
  The 3 is really the key but I love.
• 48:17
  The bus driver. Yeah, he's great.
• 48:19
  He felt like an extra, like just put the hat on and he's the bus
• 48:22
  driver. He's probably the director's
• 48:24
  buddy, you know, or something, right?
• 48:25
  He was great. He might be able to get away
• 48:27
  with this on the two or the five, but not on the three.
• 48:30
  I just going out the window and no shirt now.
• 48:33
  Do you remember the song? Sort of it was.
• 48:36
  Pretty unique beats. I don't remember the words of
• 48:38
  it, but like, yeah, seems to fit well.
• 48:40
  The chorus. Shit.
• 48:41
  Fuck. Son of a gun.
• 48:43
  OHP, there we go. Well written.
• 48:44
  Well written. Must be done by Rich Wilkes.
• 48:46
  Yeah. Let's pivot, if you will.
• 48:57
  Yeah, more pivoting. You had to Dennis.
• 48:58
  Dennis and Luther. Luther was kind enough to invite
• 49:02
  Dennis to hobnob with the big wigs, and though Dennis had
• 49:07
  another plan, he decided to change the plan like 22 year
• 49:14
  olds are prone to do. Yeah, I suppose you had a plan
• 49:16
  as long as you have one. And now he's changing.
• 49:18
  It sure to go to this party and he brings along some riff raff
• 49:23
  yeah OK if I like this because it it solidifies jacket Warren
• 49:27
  Dennis earlier that Luther's just in it for your butt and I
• 49:31
  thought he was just giving. Him a hard time.
• 49:32
  That's it. So did.
• 49:32
  I didn't pick up on that at all, no.
• 49:34
  And the way that Luther is talking, right.
• 49:36
  And this is the theme of the movie, obviously, the time
• 49:39
  stoppage in the clock. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:42
  Is a very distinct metaphor. This conversation is that too,
• 49:47
  where Luther is talking about time.
• 49:50
  He's 48, getting older. He wants immortality and wants
• 49:53
  relevance and wants to still maintain his space in the world
• 49:56
  as I get older and young people, right?
• 49:57
  But it's also, I think it could be interpreted from the artistic
• 50:00
  perspective, right? Art lives on forever, so we all
• 50:03
  die. This podcast will live on in in
• 50:07
  some form after If I Died Tomorrow, You Died Tomorrow.
• 50:10
  All the episodes, the six years exist, and that's the power of
• 50:14
  art to me. The movies we watch, we watch
• 50:16
  Sunset Blvd. Nobody in that movie is alive,
• 50:18
  but that movie is still incredible 70 years later.
• 50:22
  And I think there's something important.
• 50:23
  So because Luther is in this artistic world and Dennis is a
• 50:26
  photographer and he's not a painter, no.
• 50:29
  And that's the trick, right? So obviously Luther's up his own
• 50:32
  ass, but fundamentally I think what he nice choice of.
• 50:35
  Words. What he's thinking, what he's
• 50:39
  talking. About, I find actually really
• 50:40
  important in general, but the idea of why old men often will
• 50:45
  date younger women or vice versa, I suppose.
• 50:48
  Or facelifts, Right. Everyone's chasing the youth,
• 50:50
  chasing being young, staying young, stopping time.
• 50:53
  And this is Luther's version of it.
• 50:55
  Yeah, it's reasonable. Yeah.
• 50:57
  It's played for laughs and it's obviously a little silly, but I
• 50:59
  think contextually it's really an important message that I find
• 51:02
  really resonant when I worked at the GAS.
• 51:04
  Station. I remember these two youngish,
• 51:07
  well, young to me. They probably when they're maybe
• 51:09
  mid 30s. I would have been 18 and they
• 51:13
  were a gay couple, which is at that time, late 90s, in a small
• 51:18
  town, wasn't prevalent, and they invited me back to their house.
• 51:24
  I didn't go, but I wonder what my life would have been like.
• 51:27
  You had a plan not to do that, sure, but around me of this
• 51:31
  scene and I felt that Luther even had a thing for Indie Ohgi.
• 51:38
  Think there's a little. OK, yeah, I could feel a little
• 51:40
  bit of. Chemistry there.
• 51:42
  Alright, so John Reese Davis. As an actor can just bring that
• 51:45
  chemistry in and out. I don't want to typecast him.
• 51:49
  But yeah, it's again, he didn't come on strong, though.
• 51:51
  Again, you almost had to like, spell it out for me, like, oh, I
• 51:54
  see what you're saying here. Yeah.
• 51:56
  Yeah. But like you said, we want to
• 51:58
  stay young, but obviously Dennis ultimately doesn't.
• 52:02
  Yeah. Calls him out on the.
• 52:02
  Scam. Yeah.
• 52:03
  And Jack, I don't know if it's. A scam but I mean.
• 52:08
  It's a bit of a scam to offer him, that's true.
• 52:11
  The job to stay with him on the basis of nothing other than
• 52:15
  yeah, that's a scam. I want you right.
• 52:16
  It's a bit of a scam lie. To you about your art.
• 52:19
  You would say that feels like a scam?
• 52:20
  I guess if. You put it that way.
• 52:23
  Text Jax pissed he cuts down the totem pole, which I love.
• 52:26
  Where did they get that? Chainsaw.
• 52:27
  That's what I want to know. When you were talking about your
• 52:30
  yeah, your nitpicks, if you will, I left that one.
• 52:32
  If you one of them, I left it out, but it just came to me
• 52:34
  again. Yeah, that's OK.
• 52:36
  He's gonna. Shed somewhere shred, No shred.
• 52:40
  He probably has a shed somewhere, have a a chainsaw in
• 52:46
  it. Yeah, so.
• 52:46
  Probably Philip. He just brought it handy just
• 52:49
  in, just in case you don't know, when you go to these hobnob
• 52:51
  parties when you're gonna need a chainsaw.
• 52:54
  Now, so far we've had Rob Russell and seemed to come to
• 52:58
  terms a little bit with the life and the choices with the moms
• 53:01
  and stuff like that. Hmm.
• 53:03
  Jack is still. Wrestling, right?
• 53:04
  He had this fight with his father.
• 53:06
  He's shredded with Mikey, he's been on the fence with Dina.
• 53:10
  Like he's obviously going through some stuff and he tries
• 53:13
  to have this quiet moment with Slosh on the beach on the.
• 53:20
  Beach, yes, absolutely. Got the beach party here and I
• 53:22
  think back. On the movie, I was saying to
• 53:24
  you, I thought this was funnier than I remembered.
• 53:26
  What that undercuts is. I actually think this is more
• 53:29
  sobering than I remembered, a little more depth than I think I
• 53:33
  had given credit for. Or the things that resonate with
• 53:36
  me, I think are those moments more so than slapsticky stuff,
• 53:39
  because. I listen to this.
• 53:40
  That's true. Sometimes when you watch these
• 53:42
  later, you get it totally with the writers trying to portray or
• 53:46
  at that age, like, I don't know what you don't know.
• 53:48
  It's like. The jokes or like the chicks put
• 53:49
  the soundtrack and kind of roll with it doesn't sink in.
• 53:51
  But for me, this scene, certainly based on this
• 53:54
  conversation, I think has even more weight because it's a
• 53:57
  direct. Repudiation.
• 53:59
  On some level of the things you were talking about, which Slosh
• 54:04
  is saying, this is a choice and just a poor one, but.
• 54:08
  Yeah, but he doesn't. Look at it that way.
• 54:10
  No he does not, and who knows what his life is going to look
• 54:13
  like in 20 years? The point is that people grow
• 54:15
  and change in a lot of different ways, like religious
• 54:18
  upbringings, right? Oh no, this is wrong.
• 54:20
  You're wound up tight and then you get a moment to break out of
• 54:24
  it and you live a deviant lifestyle.
• 54:27
  Yes. And then somewhere in the
• 54:29
  middle, come out and figure out what the middle part is.
• 54:31
  If you're lucky, if you're lucky.
• 54:33
  But that's life, Jackson. Like, look, you're following me.
• 54:35
  You, you, you look up to me like, yeah, I'm a failure.
• 54:39
  And he's not wrong. But at 22, you're.
• 54:40
  Not a failure, is my whole point.
• 54:42
  At 22, you're not anything really.
• 54:43
  Exactly. So who gives a shit?
• 54:45
  I fucked up my 20s, who cares? I lived the best life of my 30s
• 54:49
  or my 40 or whatever, right? To have decided that you're a
• 54:53
  fuck up at 20 is offensive to me because I don't know anything at
• 54:57
  20. Yeah, I think it's part of the.
• 54:58
  Problem with, again, our North American culture is we're doing
• 55:01
  all these things too early. Going to school, getting the
• 55:05
  job. We, I think we've learned a
• 55:06
  little bit. I think everyone's doing it a
• 55:08
  little bit later now, but we're not ready for any of that.
• 55:11
  We need to have these experiences without the pressure
• 55:14
  of graduating, without the pressure of getting the job.
• 55:17
  I'm sure your parents don't want you living at home till you're
• 55:19
  30 necessarily, but I think we do things way too early,
• 55:24
  especially for dudes, because we were dumb.
• 55:27
  Honestly, I hate to admit it. We mature a little bit later.
• 55:29
  Of course that's. Studies have shown exactly.
• 55:32
  I think it's pretty clear it's out there.
• 55:33
  Yeah. So I think that's part of the
• 55:34
  problem where all these issues come from something that's
• 55:37
  really unnatural for us to be doing.
• 55:39
  And that's where all the angst and confusion comes from.
• 55:41
  Like, we shouldn't even be dealing with this stuff yet.
• 55:44
  I need to have these experiences and figure things out.
• 55:47
  And I did like the scene. I don't necessarily agree with
• 55:49
  the reasoning necessarily of Slosh, he says.
• 55:54
  I'm. Happy there's No Fear and I did
• 55:57
  all of that and the world didn't end at 22 is to me exactly what
• 56:01
  people should be feeling. I want to live like my dogs head
• 56:03
  out the window what I don't. Like is the fear thing because
• 56:07
  live with No Fear now, and maybe it's just me.
• 56:10
  I'm just looking at myself as a point of reference.
• 56:13
  Sure, as I was that guy, I had No Fear.
• 56:16
  I drank and drove. I did a lot of stupid things
• 56:19
  those. Are stupid.
• 56:19
  That's stupid, but. I did it because I didn't have
• 56:21
  any fear. Have any consequences?
• 56:23
  Sure. And then I went through a long
• 56:25
  period of having nothing but fear.
• 56:28
  Sure. So we're pushing machine, was
• 56:30
  going to check it out. Going to use it the other day
• 56:33
  because I was feeling a little lightheaded.
• 56:35
  So I think he needs maybe to again, find something in the
• 56:40
  middle where it's like you have to have a little bit of fear
• 56:43
  because you have to look at the long run, yeah.
• 56:46
  Like don't. Not to the point where you're.
• 56:47
  Not having fun, but the consequences are consequences
• 56:51
  and it could affect your life down the road.
• 56:53
  Yeah, I look at some. Of that stuff you just talked
• 56:55
  about like it's too early, it's too early, it's too early to me.
• 56:57
  The world kicks your ass so early and the pressures of life
• 57:01
  get so prominent and prevalent so quickly that I'm of the
• 57:05
  belief of Rage Against that for as long as humanly possible.
• 57:10
  Because eventually you're going to get the job.
• 57:13
  Just you're going to, whether it's the great job or your
• 57:15
  shitty job, you're going to get the job.
• 57:17
  Well, depends how much fear. You have now slash is going to
• 57:21
  be. Retailer going to say, but there
• 57:23
  are people that make good money in retail.
• 57:25
  They've worked their way up and they do the things right.
• 57:27
  So I used to look at retail as an example.
• 57:29
  When I get my real job, I'll take it more seriously.
• 57:33
  I worked at retail for 12 years. Yeah, I mean, I shouldn't.
• 57:36
  Be making fun of it because I right 20 years right there's a.
• 57:38
  Part that says, well, if you should have been more
• 57:40
  responsible and you could have taken more, whatever, but I
• 57:43
  never looked at it as a real job.
• 57:45
  That line of thinking is just as like flawed, flawed and capping
• 57:52
  of ability and whatever than anything else anyway, just lost
• 57:55
  his speech and Jack saying there's no fucking fun anymore.
• 57:58
  That's reality that happens to all of us that I like.
• 58:01
  We have responsibility. We get married, we have kids, we
• 58:04
  have jobs, we work five days. The world changes.
• 58:08
  That's. Right, the world changes.
• 58:10
  All of that. So I thought this speech really
• 58:12
  crystallized some of the stuff and I thought it leaves really
• 58:15
  well to the next phase, yes. Because I think.
• 58:18
  What it does is it allows for things will be OK.
• 58:21
  It feels like it won't. It always feels like it won't
• 58:24
  because of so many of the pressures that we're talking
• 58:26
  about. So I'm not going to do that
• 58:27
  because the next day I was with somebody for many years and
• 58:32
  everything we talked about was later, later.
• 58:35
  Later, we're going to do this. Later we're going to do the
• 58:37
  vacation I'm going to. Live in anxiety.
• 58:39
  Today because I'm thinking about tomorrow.
• 58:41
  I can't spend this money. We shouldn't do this.
• 58:43
  I can't do that because later it'll be good.
• 58:45
  Later will be fine. Later we'll do it.
• 58:46
  Yeah. You're leading.
• 58:47
  Too much on the other side. It's finding that nice middle
• 58:50
  ground where you're not throwing away your future to have a
• 58:53
  little extra fun. Now you have to have, hate to
• 58:56
  say it, a plan. Yeah, but I do appreciate the
• 59:00
  sentiment. I still wouldn't use Dennis and
• 59:03
  Jack as someone to look up pillars there.
• 59:06
  Maybe of what? Not to do, but yeah, Jack
• 59:10
  living, just living life, yeah, but he's not happy, so he says
• 59:13
  I'm. Miserable.
• 59:14
  And this is. Where he has a little convo with
• 59:17
  man hands. Yes, and this just proves the
• 59:20
  bridge is burned. And what I found interesting is
• 59:25
  to tell a woman that you love them.
• 59:27
  Hmm. When you.
• 59:29
  Have the inability to listen to them.
• 59:32
  She's called you deranged. She has no interest of getting
• 59:36
  back. She's made that clear.
• 59:38
  But somehow and I've done it sure is we can still say I love
• 59:43
  you because you're not getting it and I just think as a young
• 59:48
  adult it's the the whole love thing.
• 59:50
  It's just, it's, it's a complicated feeling to have, but
• 59:55
  we just sometimes just don't get the hint where this is it we're.
• 59:58
  Done we're moving on Well I mean there's no coming back there
• 1:00:01
  Yeah, but that's it's a one way St. often right so I can still
• 1:00:05
  love right. He can still love this person
• 1:00:07
  even if she thinks he's deranged because it's it's it's her
• 1:00:10
  perspective on him. But why would you?
• 1:00:13
  Well, sure, but logically speaking, that's the.
• 1:00:15
  Logic. Spot would be.
• 1:00:16
  Like come on, what are we doing here?
• 1:00:19
  The love of my first girlfriend. We fought all the time.
• 1:00:21
  Make up sex sometimes, sure, yeah, but we're like, this is
• 1:00:26
  not compatible. But I loved her throughout all
• 1:00:30
  of that, you know? And even though she's saying
• 1:00:31
  shitty things and doing shitty things to me, and I'm saying and
• 1:00:34
  doing shitty things to her, at the end of the day, we're still
• 1:00:37
  in this. Yeah, but I love you.
• 1:00:39
  It's also a thing. I wrote a whole play about this,
• 1:00:41
  ultimately, where it is a thing that people will say to fill a
• 1:00:45
  gap in conversation or to convince you you're mad at me.
• 1:00:49
  But I love you. Thanks buddy.
• 1:00:51
  And. That isn't the solve that it is.
• 1:00:55
  I hope it is right. I'm saying it over and over.
• 1:00:57
  It represents a bunch of words like just can't say and maybe
• 1:01:00
  this will do a do the truth. So summarize right.
• 1:01:02
  But if the other person on other side is like, but I don't love
• 1:01:04
  you, which is what she says ultimately that it doesn't
• 1:01:06
  matter. You can love me all you want,
• 1:01:07
  but I'm out is really the fear. Of being alone.
• 1:01:10
  I think it's really yeah, these things out women as savior is
• 1:01:13
  what this movie and some others that kind of this type character
• 1:01:16
  type like who wants to be someone safety blanket like who
• 1:01:18
  wants that responsibility? What would you want to be a
• 1:01:20
  blanket at all? You know what I mean?
• 1:01:22
  Yeah, kind of cozy. Sure, sure.
• 1:01:25
  But the blank is right. In there, right, you don't have
• 1:01:27
  your own personality just. Exactly, but didn't take
• 1:01:30
  ultimately. That's right, It's OK.
• 1:01:32
  What does? Take finally is Mickey and
• 1:01:36
  Chelsea having Oh my, the heart to heart God.
• 1:01:40
  Now, have you ever asked somebody or told somebody that
• 1:01:42
  you like them the way you get to see them naked?
• 1:01:46
  No, But I. Get it?
• 1:01:48
  I didn't use those words. That's a good line.
• 1:01:50
  I thought was a really good. Now, like I said, Vinny Deramus
• 1:01:54
  is an absolutely terrible actor. I don't mean any disrespect.
• 1:01:57
  You could be a incredibly good person, a little disrespectful.
• 1:02:00
  I'm not a good actor either. I was in a movie fill my scene
• 1:02:03
  got cut. Yeah, I know what it's like.
• 1:02:05
  I'm a bad actor too. Yeah, again, probably a great
• 1:02:08
  guy. But this scene, I hate it.
• 1:02:11
  The fact that Chelsea even wants to be with him makes absolutely
• 1:02:14
  no sense. And if you hear a noise outside,
• 1:02:20
  that's fine, ignore it. 5 minutes I just.
• 1:02:22
  Need 5 minutes? Don't pick the.
• 1:02:24
  Move, don't pick up the. Phone don't go outside once the
• 1:02:29
  woman says I. Like you too.
• 1:02:31
  It's over. You're in.
• 1:02:33
  Or it. Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  You should be in exactly you don't go out, do the kiss.
• 1:02:37
  Do some things you'll. Probably get to 2nd.
• 1:02:40
  Base if not further. And he's such a loser.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, I agree. I don't really like the scene
• 1:02:45
  either, except for that, but the idea that comes out of that, or
• 1:02:50
  at least I guess what they're alerted do, is a bunch of shit
• 1:02:52
  breaking. So we get Dennis has inability
• 1:02:55
  to talk about Nona. Ohhhhh.
• 1:02:57
  Yeah. And and this issue with this mug
• 1:02:59
  and this is my special thing and so forth.
• 1:03:01
  Raised them. Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah, yeah. And he smashes it.
• 1:03:04
  And in earlier, Jack talks about Kamu and the idea that the best
• 1:03:11
  thing that could have happened, you alluded to it earlier, is
• 1:03:13
  that, yeah, you're the peak of love and everything is
• 1:03:16
  wonderful. And she dies.
• 1:03:18
  Yeah. Cause then it never rots.
• 1:03:20
  It never goes bad, never breaks up with you.
• 1:03:21
  Never breaks your heart. That's right.
• 1:03:23
  It's a different sadness, sure, but yeah, but.
• 1:03:26
  It's manageable in time and whatever else, but it's
• 1:03:28
  crystallized. And he then takes that idea and
• 1:03:34
  commits it to Rancho itself, and he calls it preservation through
• 1:03:38
  destruction. Yeah, Dennis starts it off by
• 1:03:42
  smashing this mug, which was what we.
• 1:03:44
  Thought important to him. I do appreciate his analogy
• 1:03:47
  about every time you use this mug, it's like you're kissing my
• 1:03:51
  Nona. Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  I get it. Sure this just cause people
• 1:03:54
  known as. Sicko by issue with.
• 1:03:56
  This whole brand preservation through destruction, I'm not on
• 1:04:00
  board with it might work for some people.
• 1:04:02
  But if once you've explained this importance of the mug and
• 1:04:07
  the why, yeah, you can still keep the mug.
• 1:04:10
  Now they know now that we respect it and not use it or
• 1:04:14
  don't use it at all to drink. Keep it up in your room and you
• 1:04:18
  can still have it as a memory of Nona.
• 1:04:21
  You don't have to break it. I get the sediment.
• 1:04:24
  We're talking about a 47 year old watching movie about 22 year
• 1:04:27
  olds. You're going to bring some of
• 1:04:28
  that in? Had I watched this, maybe at 22.
• 1:04:31
  Yeah. Break that mug.
• 1:04:32
  Yeah. Maybe it'll be a little.
• 1:04:34
  Bit different, sure, but I don't like destruction.
• 1:04:37
  I don't. I'm a creator.
• 1:04:39
  I'm an architect, right? Yes, that's right.
• 1:04:42
  That's true. Yeah, I mean, that's totally
• 1:04:44
  fair. I think, you know, like we
• 1:04:46
  experience with these movies, right?
• 1:04:47
  This one lived with me for 30 years.
• 1:04:49
  So yeah, this is different actually.
• 1:04:51
  I love the idea behind this. Not only communicated well, the
• 1:04:56
  explanation that the sort of definition that this thing will
• 1:04:59
  never go bad, it'll never go sour.
• 1:05:01
  It'll be remembered as it is in our brains a little bit earlier.
• 1:05:04
  The dart falls out of the clock to symbolize again, in case you
• 1:05:07
  didn't get the metaphor at the beginning that the time does go
• 1:05:11
  on whether you want to let it or not.
• 1:05:13
  And this goes into self sabotage stuff we talked about earlier
• 1:05:15
  with Rob, right? Like if you break it up, if
• 1:05:18
  while it's still good, then it can just stay as a good memory.
• 1:05:22
  Whereas you meet the mom, she's a monster.
• 1:05:25
  You, you know, get married for 10 years and it turns out sour,
• 1:05:28
  right? It's like, well, fuck that
• 1:05:30
  bitch. I can't look at those photos
• 1:05:31
  anymore because they're tainted because she's ruined my life, or
• 1:05:35
  she took my kid, or she took my money.
• 1:05:38
  That, I thought, is an interesting thing.
• 1:05:42
  Rancho exists, but do you want to drive past your old apartment
• 1:05:45
  and see that it's been fully renovated and doesn't look
• 1:05:47
  anything like your old house? Or, you know, my old house was
• 1:05:50
  sold and I was like, well, that's not my house.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah, you'd rather have just. Burn it to the ground.
• 1:05:55
  No else can live. In it, but the principle is all
• 1:05:58
  the memories now are tainted a little bit with what this new
• 1:06:02
  version of what my house was or is.
• 1:06:04
  You're sharing it. With strangers exactly, and I
• 1:06:06
  didn't need to burn. It to the ground, but in
• 1:06:08
  principle, I like that this movie, at least the thematic
• 1:06:12
  element is. Maybe I could.
• 1:06:14
  And if not literally, at least figuratively.
• 1:06:18
  Yeah, Beta. Metaphorically destroy it.
• 1:06:21
  Yeah, that I can get. That never gets anywhere else.
• 1:06:23
  I get that. I just don't want to clean up
• 1:06:24
  the mess. You don't have to.
• 1:06:25
  They don't have to. They're out.
• 1:06:26
  Maybe you lose your damage deposit, but you know it
• 1:06:29
  already. I'm saying I.
• 1:06:31
  Love it. I think it's.
• 1:06:32
  Great. I think it's a good moment for
• 1:06:33
  everybody. Kind of let off the steam.
• 1:06:34
  Obviously the movie, it helps propel out of everybody out of
• 1:06:37
  there. You can't stay now even if you
• 1:06:38
  wanted to, which is another, another reason to destroy right
• 1:06:41
  now by not metaphorically bringing it down, but actually
• 1:06:45
  physically tearing it down. There is no more Rancho.
• 1:06:48
  There is nowhere else to go. You have to leave.
• 1:06:51
  Maybe. That's what I should have done
• 1:06:52
  and maybe that's why I have these lingering memories because
• 1:06:55
  I didn't burned down that duplex.
• 1:06:58
  There you go, and. Go to prison.
• 1:06:59
  For arson, yeah. Missed.
• 1:07:01
  Opportunity. Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah, I left. The wounds open, if you will.
• 1:07:05
  Sure. So that to me, I thought it's a
• 1:07:06
  great way to end the movie. I mean, we do get goodbyes
• 1:07:08
  afterwards. Oh, you got to test the big
• 1:07:10
  things up. Climaxes it were.
• 1:07:12
  Everyone has their moments to move on.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah, we see Rob hanging out with Joni in the car.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah, I think he makes the. Right.
• 1:07:19
  Call. Joni did come around.
• 1:07:21
  If you remember, she apologized for that thing.
• 1:07:23
  So yeah, I think there's, you know, give it a go.
• 1:07:27
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  Sort of a shit together seems to seem right.
• 1:07:30
  Probably divorced and miserable now.
• 1:07:32
  Oh yeah, 100. Percent took him for everything,
• 1:07:34
  yeah. Mickey and Chelsea together, we
• 1:07:37
  hear that. I hate that.
• 1:07:40
  Like, come on, what are we doing here?
• 1:07:42
  Just there? That's the worst.
• 1:07:44
  Slosh keeps the sign from Rancho.
• 1:07:46
  But moves in down the road he'd been propositioned earlier.
• 1:07:48
  That reminds me the end of old school.
• 1:07:50
  Oh yes, it's real. Ferrell becomes the DJ.
• 1:07:53
  Of. The school and he's like older
• 1:07:55
  and, you know, really shouldn't be there.
• 1:07:56
  But yeah, you know, I like it. I don't like Godfather.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:08:00
  So I don't. Mind that for Slosh figures
• 1:08:02
  things out. Yeah, he's got the game.
• 1:08:03
  He's going to be, he's going to be a if you can.
• 1:08:06
  Motivate himself enough to follow through with that.
• 1:08:08
  I think it's all about the follow through and he can make
• 1:08:10
  something of himself. Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:08:12
  And we got a last little bit of voice over.
• 1:08:15
  And he says the hardest part about getting older is you don't
• 1:08:18
  fling yourself into love and friendships as easily.
• 1:08:21
  But I think if we didn't necessarily.
• 1:08:23
  Put ourselves in certain predicaments in our 20s like
• 1:08:26
  this that maybe it would have been easier to make friends
• 1:08:31
  later. But we have these memories of
• 1:08:33
  like, oh, I was hurt, they had this bad friendship, this
• 1:08:37
  relationship went sour. And those memories, like, I
• 1:08:40
  don't want to go through that again.
• 1:08:42
  Therefore, you may have learned something, but it also has
• 1:08:46
  hindered maybe future friendships.
• 1:08:48
  Like I haven't been a friend with somebody because, oh, I
• 1:08:50
  don't want to get too close because this is what happened.
• 1:08:53
  Sure, this person years ago. So it can go either way is what
• 1:08:56
  I'm saying. That might be why it's a little
• 1:08:58
  more difficult because of the pain you put yourself through in
• 1:09:01
  your early 20s. Sure, with the.
• 1:09:03
  Alcohol. As the driving force, right,
• 1:09:08
  which could be for some people, even for myself anyways, the
• 1:09:12
  what elevated these bad experiences, right, is what made
• 1:09:15
  these things worse. Had I not done that, then maybe
• 1:09:17
  I would have been able to come out a little bit, you know,
• 1:09:20
  cleaner. That's fair, I mean.
• 1:09:21
  I lived a pretty chaste life in that respect.
• 1:09:23
  Again, I only drank for five years, and it wasn't that much
• 1:09:26
  in that time. He didn't have what it took.
• 1:09:28
  Couldn't keep it up. But it's just getting older.
• 1:09:32
  Your social circles just, you know, Yeah, I mean.
• 1:09:34
  I think there's natural attrition, natural aggression,
• 1:09:38
  right? Not, not.
• 1:09:39
  Quite so willing to jump into things which I think is
• 1:09:41
  interesting. And he gets the last.
• 1:09:44
  Moment as it. Were angst for the memories
• 1:09:46
  angst, I thought you. Misspelled.
• 1:09:47
  Thanks. Because he's writing backwards.
• 1:09:49
  That's not easy to do. It's impressive.
• 1:09:50
  I've tried it. Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Yeah. And man hands.
• 1:09:52
  Like, OK, man. It's sorry I'm.
• 1:09:55
  Glad he got over. It's kind of get a moment.
• 1:09:57
  Jack Theory has put it to bed now and he will be better for it
• 1:10:01
  later. Absolutely for sure.
• 1:10:02
  And acetone continues to play as he drives off.
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  Now, you obviously didn't like this movie, but have I maybe
• 1:10:10
  sufficiently explained why I do? Already knew why you did, Megan
• 1:10:16
  Ward, you have a hard time letting go.
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  So check the clocks here, buddy. They're all ticking.
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  OK, They're all ticking. Yeah.
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  No, I was curious to. See the fact that this movie
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  isn't generally well received. It's like from a production
• 1:10:32
  standpoint it's about 5 losers. There's no hero.
• 1:10:35
  There's a lot of elements that are missing for the average Joe,
• 1:10:39
  maybe to get into it. I'm thinking, well, you.
• 1:10:42
  Have a connection to this movie as a young Phil.
• 1:10:45
  So I was curious to see is it strong enough still to keep on
• 1:10:50
  your shelf? Like do you like do you 100%?
• 1:10:53
  There you go. 100% no doubt loved watching it.
• 1:10:57
  It's not funny as I thought it was or remembered it being, but
• 1:11:00
  all the points still hit for me. I loved it and that's what I.
• 1:11:02
  Pretty much expected of you, unfortunately.
• 1:11:05
  Just kidding, what are your thoughts?
• 1:11:08
  Well, for me like you know, I need an in and there wasn't that
• 1:11:13
  secure connection. There's more of a Wi-Fi.
• 1:11:18
  You're not hardwired. Exactly like I get a little bit
• 1:11:21
  of you. I get a little bit of you.
• 1:11:24
  I don't think not enjoying the movie is a reflection of the
• 1:11:27
  movie being bad. I don't think it's bad.
• 1:11:30
  I think it triggers certain memories for me.
• 1:11:34
  Like I don't really want to experience.
• 1:11:36
  I don't want. To be.
• 1:11:36
  Reminded of all these mistakes I made at that age and have so
• 1:11:40
  much alcohol being displayed. I'm like, man, I wish I hadn't
• 1:11:44
  gotten into that so. There was a lot of remorse in
• 1:11:47
  different ways than like days of wine and roses and the lost
• 1:11:49
  weekend. Because you like those.
• 1:11:51
  I like those in different ways. And this is more repellent to
• 1:11:54
  you? That's kind of interesting.
• 1:11:55
  Just curiosity maybe? It's the Jack Lemmon.
• 1:11:57
  I don't know, Modern maybe? Or the timeline because 95 you
• 1:12:00
  were. It could be that.
• 1:12:02
  Right. So maybe there's some of.
• 1:12:03
  That I think how would the. Drinking part how it's
• 1:12:04
  illustrated on it there were Dave day of wine and roses was
• 1:12:08
  more about the addiction sure it's about the.
• 1:12:10
  Consequences. This is not really about that
• 1:12:13
  had a different cord. And the fact I just didn't like
• 1:12:16
  Mickey, Yeah, we got it drove me nuts.
• 1:12:20
  However, I watched it three times.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah. And I disliked it less and less.
• 1:12:27
  I understood more why Phil likes this and why he's likely going
• 1:12:31
  to keep it on his shelf and why this movie exists.
• 1:12:34
  And I did appreciate the overall messaging of it.
• 1:12:38
  It just made me question why in certain cultures we do certain
• 1:12:41
  things to make our lives so much more difficult.
• 1:12:43
  And it just got to irritated me a little bit, but struck A
• 1:12:47
  chord. But again, now half, I mean, I
• 1:12:51
  can do that and it's your birthday weekend.
• 1:12:53
  That's right. So give me a little credit, but.
• 1:12:56
  That's great. Well, I'm sorry I didn't make
• 1:12:57
  your shelf, but it's happily stays on mine.
• 1:12:59
  Tell us what's coming off your shelf next week.
• 1:13:01
  Well, tease, I don't know. Well, next week, Phil, we are
• 1:13:05
  going to a place where it's most likely very hard to find alcohol
• 1:13:09
  actually and to find a lot of commodities that you might need.
• 1:13:13
  So it's going to be pretty dry. We'll say it's very dry.
• 1:13:17
  OK, I think you'll like it. I hope so, probably won't
• 1:13:21
  though. History has told us.
• 1:13:23
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• 1:13:39
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