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Andre Pallante and Matthew Liberatore join Cardinal Territory · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. The Cardinals dropped a heartbreaker
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Speaker 1: in ten innings to the Toronto Blue Jays last night.
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Speaker 2: But hey, guess what, it's a.
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Speaker 1: Brand new day and we have two super fun guests
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Speaker 1: on the show today. So excited to have Cardinals starting
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Speaker 1: pitchers Andre Polante and Matthew Libertore as our guest this week.
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Speaker 2: Guys, thank you for doing this.
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Speaker 3: How are you doing well? How are you? Yeah? Pretty good?
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Speaker 3: Excited to be here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I'm really happy you guys could do this.
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Speaker 1: I always think it's great to get any I'll take,
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Speaker 1: you know, any kind of interview, but to get two
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Speaker 1: players at once, I feel like it's just kind of fun.
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Speaker 1: We can switch it up a little bit. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: super thankful for you guys doing this. We'll start with
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Speaker 1: just a couple of baseball questions, because that's.
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Speaker 2: What we're here for. We'll start, you know, really, I
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Speaker 2: guess we can start at the top, right.
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Speaker 1: A lot was made of this rotation coming into the
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Speaker 1: season and how it had so much to prove, not
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Speaker 1: a lot of overpowering velocity or swing and miss, and
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Speaker 1: you guys as a unit have basically said, doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: don't care, still going to get it done, and you
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Speaker 1: have I think coming into play today, the rotation has
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Speaker 1: a collective era of three eight four and you guys
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Speaker 1: have recorded the most ground ball ground ball outs in all.
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Speaker 2: Of baseball at three hundred and eighty nine.
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Speaker 1: Audre will start with you, how are you finding ways
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Speaker 1: to modernize your game and evolve and get success but
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Speaker 1: still relying on the things that got you here and
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Speaker 1: have made you the picture that you are.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think part of it is just kind of like, uh,
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Speaker 4: I mean, if you I don't know how far back
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Speaker 4: you want me to go, but really like understanding that
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Speaker 4: I'm a ground ball picture. It didn't really happen until
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Speaker 4: I got to the big leagues. I didn't even know
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Speaker 4: that I got an obsertain amount of ground balls until
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Speaker 4: I got here, and then like they're like, hey, you're
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Speaker 4: kind of laying a league in it. And so I
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Speaker 4: always thought I was just, you know, like everyone else
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Speaker 4: just got, you know, whatever, the normal amount of outs.
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Speaker 4: But I've learned that that's part of my game, and
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Speaker 4: that's part of the reason why I don't strike a
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Speaker 4: ton of guys out. You know, it's hard to get
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Speaker 4: the hard to strike a guy out. If you get
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Speaker 4: people out before you know, you get three two counts,
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Speaker 4: one two counts, you know. So really just learning how
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Speaker 4: to limit damage and trying to keep the ball in
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Speaker 4: play and just say on the aggressive and keep it down.
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Speaker 1: Let me kind of the same question though obviously you're
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Speaker 1: a little different prototype than Andre. But we've talked a
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Speaker 1: lot about the process and your journey to get to
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Speaker 1: where you are right now. But what do you think
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Speaker 1: has really clicked for you this year in terms of
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Speaker 1: the execution?
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Speaker 5: I think just the trust in my process. I felt
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Speaker 5: like I always had a good idea of who I
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Speaker 5: was and what I wanted to do, and I also
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Speaker 5: felt like I had a good good amount of knowledge
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Speaker 5: and tools and resources at my disposal, and I think
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Speaker 5: over the last two years, really just figuring out how
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Speaker 5: to organize those into a consistent daily plan has really
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Speaker 5: helped me. And then just being able to carry that
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Speaker 5: out onto the mound and the presence and the calmness
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Speaker 5: and confidence that that gives me when I'm out there.
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Speaker 5: I think it allows me to be more present in
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Speaker 5: those at bads and be able to read swings and
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Speaker 5: read the game and notice what going on in front
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Speaker 5: of me instead of trying to fight myself on the mound.
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Speaker 2: The team has made a lot.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've heard these words all season long, like runway, opportunity.
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Speaker 2: I'm personally okay if we never hear the word runway again.
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Speaker 3: But it's fine.
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Speaker 1: But both of you have similar tracks where you were
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Speaker 1: kind of bouncing up between Majors, minors, rotation, bullpen over
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Speaker 1: the first few years of your career, and while it
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Speaker 1: wasn't totally similar, there are some overlying similarities there. But
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Speaker 1: this team has committed to doing to you, and I
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Speaker 1: think most importantly has made good on It's given you
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to work through your struggles at the major
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Speaker 1: league level instead of just either you know, optioning you
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Speaker 1: or diminishing your role that they would have been years
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Speaker 1: prior the fact that the organization came out and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: we're going to give both of you a steady opportunity
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Speaker 1: in the rotation. Regardless of results, You're going to have
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Speaker 1: chances to figure this out and perform.
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Speaker 2: What has that done for you, Andre, We'll start with you.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the most important thing is it
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Speaker 4: makes it a little bit less stressful, you know, like
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Speaker 4: I don't know I'm sure you know a lot of
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Speaker 4: people understand or luck of people have been in the
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Speaker 4: same lot of work where it's like, you know, hey,
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Speaker 4: if you don't perform in the first every outing, it
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Speaker 4: doesn't feel it doesn't feel like every outing you're fighting
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Speaker 4: for your job in a way, and you're able to
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Speaker 4: be like, hey, you know, I can trust my process,
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Speaker 4: I and trust the fact that you know, for me,
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Speaker 4: it's like throwing my fastball down on the glove side,
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Speaker 4: and like, you know, if I have a bad if
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Speaker 4: I do a good job of that and results don't
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Speaker 4: go on my way, I don't have to think about,
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Speaker 4: holy crap, am I going to get optioned the next day?
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Speaker 4: You know, And that's that's never the spot you want
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Speaker 4: to be in, especially because that takes you out of
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Speaker 4: the moment and takes you out of being on the
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Speaker 4: mountain focusing on executing your pitch, and it gives you
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Speaker 4: that time to be like, hey, I'm struggling with this.
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Speaker 4: What am I going to change to like see those results?
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Speaker 4: Because you know the game and trip play is not
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Speaker 4: the same, you know, it's the hitters aren't as good,
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Speaker 4: and you know you got the abs down there, you
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Speaker 4: got hitters that are more passive and all that, all
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Speaker 4: that sorde of things. So like being able to work
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Speaker 4: through that up here with the best coaching that you
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Speaker 4: get available to you and against the best hittors just
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Speaker 4: helps you become the best vision yourself.
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Speaker 2: Libby.
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Speaker 1: We talked about this as well, just in years prior
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Speaker 1: where you felt like you were out there pitching to
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Speaker 1: stay alive and you weren't necessarily reading the execution or
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Speaker 1: reading the swings or throwing the pitches that you felt comfortable.
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Speaker 1: Then you were just trying to execute to make sure
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Speaker 1: that you've stayed up, and that can be kind of
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Speaker 1: a detrimental thing in the long term scope of how
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Speaker 1: you perform as a pitcher. Clearly are not doing that
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Speaker 1: anymore because the Cardinals have committed to you and have
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Speaker 1: committed to Andre. What kind of difference has that made
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Speaker 1: for you?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think kind of to quote Andre sad like,
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Speaker 5: we have a lot more resources at the big league
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Speaker 5: level than you do in Triple A or any other
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Speaker 5: minor league affiliate, and the ability to like come out
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Speaker 5: of a start that maybe didn't go as well as
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Speaker 5: you would have hoped and sit down with the pitching
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Speaker 5: coach and the strength stuff and the training room staff
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Speaker 5: and put together a five day plan to get you
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Speaker 5: into a better spot for the next time around. Is
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Speaker 5: different than you pitch, you wake up the next morning,
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Speaker 5: you get sent down, You got to catch a flight,
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Speaker 5: you meet the team on the road or maybe back
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Speaker 5: in Memphis, try to move into an apartment or a hotel.
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Speaker 5: Like a lot of factors that have nothing to do
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Speaker 5: with baseball that take away from your ability to work
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Speaker 5: on the things that need to be worked on. And
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Speaker 5: so knowing that like every five days, I'm going to
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Speaker 5: get another opportunity to take the ball and execute on
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Speaker 5: the things that I needed to work on. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 5: definitely a stress reliever and it takes some of that
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Speaker 5: pressure off of you. But I think it really gives
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Speaker 5: you the best opportunity to grow from those things that
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Speaker 5: need to be learned from. And I think that's that's
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Speaker 5: an invaluable opportunity.
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Speaker 1: And look, no starting pitcher is going to go thirty
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Speaker 1: two and zher with a zero era. There are going
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Speaker 1: to be ups and downs no matter who you are,
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Speaker 1: no matter if you're an ACE, if you're a rookiees
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Speaker 1: you're coming up. And I think over the last two
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Speaker 1: weeks or so, both of you have kind of the like, Okay.
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Speaker 2: Let's figure out what's next.
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Speaker 1: We need to adjust because opposing hitters have adjusted to
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Speaker 1: you in years prior.
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Speaker 2: It felt like, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, for both of you in different ways, if there
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Speaker 1: was a rough outing or if there was a couple
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Speaker 1: of outings where things didn't go exactly the way you
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Speaker 1: wanted to, it was like, all right, get them out.
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Speaker 2: They're going to Memphis. They're going to go figure things out.
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Speaker 1: Well, obviously neither of you have anything to figure out
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Speaker 1: in Memphis anymore. It's about can you adjust to the
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Speaker 1: major leagues knowing that you're going to be here and
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Speaker 1: they're going to give you that chance to do so?
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Speaker 1: How does that change your mindset on how you attack
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Speaker 1: hitters and make those adjustments in real time?
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Speaker 2: Let me go first.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think you kind of hit the nail
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Speaker 5: on the head, like gone down to Memphis, maybe like
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Speaker 5: two or three of those guys are going to be
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Speaker 5: here every day, guys in the big league lineup, and
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Speaker 5: to make a start that doesn't go your way and
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Speaker 5: get sent down and go to Memphis. Even if you
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Speaker 5: do the things that you think you need to work on,
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Speaker 5: and you execute on those things better, you still have
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Speaker 5: a little bit of doubt or maybe not full confidence
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Speaker 5: in the ability to make that play at the big
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Speaker 5: league level because of the fact that not every guy
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Speaker 5: facing triple A is going to be in every day
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Speaker 5: big leaguer. So to be able to go out after
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Speaker 5: rough outing and work on the things that you need
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Speaker 5: to work on at the big league level, like that
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Speaker 5: is the truest test of if those things are going
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Speaker 5: to play or not. Being able to make that start
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Speaker 5: every five days and make those adjustments can really give
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Speaker 5: you some confidence knowing that the things that you worked
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Speaker 5: on leading up to that start are the things that
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Speaker 5: are going to play for you long term.
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Speaker 1: Andrew, I mean you've had You've just posted a bounce
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Speaker 1: back outing against a very talented Toronto Blue Jays club
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Speaker 1: through a quality start.
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you know, what can you add
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Speaker 2: to that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, like i'd say one thing that, like
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Speaker 4: you know, I go through, especially when it comes to this,
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Speaker 4: it's like sometimes you don't know what you need to
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Speaker 4: work on it, Like that's also part of it, and
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Speaker 4: you're not going to find that out. You know in
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Speaker 4: triple A, what what's going to be the thing like
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Speaker 4: I look back at last year for me right and
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Speaker 4: I you know again struggling with right handed hitters, and
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Speaker 4: it was like, what am I going to do? How
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Speaker 4: am I going to open up like a side of
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Speaker 4: the play? How am I going to get these guys
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Speaker 4: off balance? And it was like, you know, in the bullpen,
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Speaker 4: especially like last year, like you don't have the time
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Speaker 4: to work on a pitch to like improve something like
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Speaker 4: that if there's something missing, So like, you know, part
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Speaker 4: of that process was learning what I had to work
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Speaker 4: on at the big, big leage level because in Triple
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Speaker 4: A and double I didn't have those problems of getting
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Speaker 4: right handed hitters out. That didn't I didn't expose that.
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Speaker 4: So I was in the big leagues and then I
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Speaker 4: didn't expose like how I can surpass that until I
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Speaker 4: learned that in the big leagues and then I was
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Speaker 4: optioned in a situation where I could work on that,
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Speaker 4: and then I got better and I had a bunch
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Speaker 4: of success. You know this year again, same thing. It's like,
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Speaker 4: I don't you know, if you something's not going right,
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Speaker 4: you got to figure out what that is. You got
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Speaker 4: to have some success to kind of figure out, Okay,
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Speaker 4: this is what I need to do to have continued success,
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Speaker 4: and then you go and work on it, you know,
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Speaker 4: Like I think for I now, I was talking a
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Speaker 4: little b about it after the game. It was like,
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Speaker 4: you know, I had the intention of, Okay, when am
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Speaker 4: I going to try to throw in like to be
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Speaker 4: less predictable on my game plan, and it's like, I
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Speaker 4: want to throw my curveball more. I think it's a
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Speaker 4: good pitch for me, and it's something I want to
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Speaker 4: do more of. And you know, in my past, I
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Speaker 4: never had to do it, and I kind of been
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Speaker 4: pushing it off, pushing that off, and then you know,
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Speaker 4: just kind of the point where I'm like, let's just
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Speaker 4: do it, you know, like when you have that, have
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Speaker 4: that opportunity right now, like I can go out there
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Speaker 4: and just challenge it and try and do that. And
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Speaker 4: I felt like I had some pretty good success with
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Speaker 4: that yesterday and it gives me something to build off of.
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Speaker 4: So it just helps you analyze what you know you
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Speaker 4: need to work on, and then you can actually work
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Speaker 4: on it.
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Speaker 1: I think that's so important because as fans, it makes
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Speaker 1: sense you're locked it on every pitch and you care
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Speaker 1: about the outcome of that specific day and at one
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two game season, there are going to
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Speaker 1: be some losses and they're going to be some bad outings.
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Speaker 2: But what is really.
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Speaker 1: Interesting about this season is that it is a transition year,
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Speaker 1: and you do have I mean, you guys have done
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Speaker 1: a great job of making it not feel like a transition. Yeer,
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Speaker 1: it's the most exciting baseball team I think we've seen since.
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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 1: But it's a great point to say, you know, here's
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Speaker 1: what we're adjusting in real time too, because we talk
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Speaker 1: a lot about it with offensive players when young players slump, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're just adjusting to major league pitching. Well, major league
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Speaker 1: pitching also has to adjust to major league hitting, and
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Speaker 1: I think both of you guys have learned that and
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Speaker 1: we're seeing it in real time on how those.
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Speaker 2: Adjustments take place. And you know, both of you can
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Speaker 2: speak to the talent level Triple A and the major leagues.
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Speaker 2: It is vastly different.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely a more consistent breed of talent at
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Speaker 5: the big league level. You know, I've always said that
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Speaker 5: I think anybody who makes it to the big leagues
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Speaker 5: for a day could stay there if they can figure
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Speaker 5: out how to have their best day consistently enough, and
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Speaker 5: so at the big league level, like, it's not that
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Speaker 5: the hitters are far and away more talented naturally than
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Speaker 5: the guys at the level below them. They've just figured
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Speaker 5: out how to pull the best out of themselves the
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Speaker 5: most consistently, which usually means missing the mistakes less and less,
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Speaker 5: and that requires us to be more perfect. And I
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Speaker 5: feel like right now this game is evolving at a
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Speaker 5: rate that it never has before, and you're seeing more
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Speaker 5: and more raw talent at the big league level, and
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Speaker 5: I think that that makes it a lot harder. And
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Speaker 5: you know, you add in the pitch clock and how
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Speaker 5: fast the game is moving, I think the the ability
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Speaker 5: to make adjustments is as hard to and as important
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Speaker 5: as it ever has been before. You really don't have
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Speaker 5: a lot of time to make adjustments in game, so
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Speaker 5: your ability to figure out what's going on and be
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Speaker 5: able to point out those things and make the adjustment
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Speaker 5: on the flyes invaluable right now. And I'd say it's
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Speaker 5: as tough as it's ever been before. But I think
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Speaker 5: that that makes it a lot more fun too, because
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Speaker 5: you really get tested in your ability to accept what's happening,
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Speaker 5: flush it and move on to the next pitch.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff, guys.
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Speaker 1: I think that's really insightful, and I think something that
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Speaker 1: the casual fan doesn't get to see on an everyday basis.
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Speaker 2: So I appreciate you taking us through that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, let's break this down. In your rotation. Everyone
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Speaker 1: has a roll, right, everyone has a personality. You guys
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Speaker 1: have a very fun rotation. But I want to know
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Speaker 1: with your three veterans, Sonny Gray, Eric Frettie, Miles Michaelis.
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Speaker 2: Who is who?
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Speaker 1: Like, what's the role of each guy, what's the personality
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Speaker 1: and how they treat you.
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Speaker 5: I'd say Sonny's kind of like the mad Scientists in
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Speaker 5: the best way possible. I think he is a genius
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Speaker 5: when it comes to pitching and philosophy and thought process
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Speaker 5: on the mound. I think Miles is probably the most
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Speaker 5: laid back one. He's the guy you can talk to
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Speaker 5: on start day. He's choking around in the weight room
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Speaker 5: trying to touch the ceiling doing his vertical before a start,
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Speaker 5: and Fetti's kind of in between. I think he's very intelligent,
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Speaker 5: he has a very good understanding of himself. But he's
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Speaker 5: also like a never too high and never too low
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Speaker 5: kind of guy. He always stays pretty right in the middle.
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Speaker 5: And so I think we have a pretty balanced group
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Speaker 5: of veterans that we can go to and ask certain
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Speaker 5: questions and get really sounded by from, but also keep
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Speaker 5: it white and it's never too serious.
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Speaker 1: We actually have a lot of nicknames for Fetti upstairs.
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Speaker 1: I came up a Petti wop, which apparently is unoriginal.
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Speaker 1: Apparently people didn't climb that for a very long time.
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Speaker 1: But Daniel Guerrero started calling Fetti steady Fetti because no
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Speaker 1: matter what, like post game, he has a very consistent
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Speaker 1: demeanor for our interviews.
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Speaker 2: So that backs up. Let me, that backsup. We were saying, Audre,
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Speaker 2: what's your take on on the three I don't want
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Speaker 2: to call the three olds. I don't know why I
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Speaker 2: almost said that, but like the three older guys.
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Speaker 4: In the vocation, I mean, yeah, you got it right.
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Speaker 4: You know, that's kind of who they are, you know.
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Speaker 4: I think there's definitely a little bit more. Like I
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Speaker 4: think Sony's definitely trying to take on like the mentorship
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Speaker 4: role a little bit more. And like I know, he
15:44
Speaker 4: pulled me aside a couple of times and just talk
15:46
Speaker 4: to me a lot about it. Yeah, and then I know,
15:51
Speaker 4: like Miles, he likes to like he'll blow into like
15:53
Speaker 4: a PBC pipe like a horn and be like ready
15:56
Speaker 4: the troops on start day. It's just something that you
15:58
Speaker 4: don't normally see from most people, but you know that's
16:01
Speaker 4: how he goes about his business and that's why he's
16:03
Speaker 4: always so you know, collected, and it's very consistent. Yeah,
16:08
Speaker 4: I mean, Unfeti's just kind of a goofball for sure.
16:11
Speaker 4: Like I saw him just slamming balls on the ping
16:12
Speaker 4: pong table the other day, just doing whatever. So I
16:15
Speaker 4: mean I think, yeah, it's pretty much who they are.
16:18
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, they're all really smart and they're
16:20
Speaker 4: all really good pictures, and they each do things kind
16:23
Speaker 4: of similar will be but also in a different way.
16:25
Speaker 4: And you know they've especially Myles Andnfetti, like they you know,
16:28
Speaker 4: they got one event to Japan and one went to
16:30
Speaker 4: Korea to figure out how to pitch in the big leagues.
16:33
Speaker 2: Bless you thank you.
16:35
Speaker 4: That goes to show like, you know, like they've had
16:39
Speaker 4: to grind through it before. You know, they were in
16:40
Speaker 4: a similar situation where they were trying to through out
16:42
Speaker 4: how do I pitch in the big leagues, you know,
16:45
Speaker 4: and they had to learn in completely different environments with
16:48
Speaker 4: completely different coaches that probably even speak their language, and
16:51
Speaker 4: they had to go through a translator or whatever. And
16:54
Speaker 4: you know, they understand the struggle, so they understand what
16:57
Speaker 4: it tastes it out of it.
16:58
Speaker 2: It's a good point.
16:59
Speaker 1: And I can confirm Miles Michael's does blow into that
17:02
Speaker 1: PBC pipe because when right before I don't know our
17:04
Speaker 1: like eightieth rain out of the year, be like, I
17:07
Speaker 1: don't know what the sound was. It kind of scared me.
17:09
Speaker 1: Came to the house and did it, and I was like,
17:11
Speaker 1: what's going on? And I mean it just it was
17:12
Speaker 1: a start day for him too.
17:13
Speaker 2: He said the.
17:14
Speaker 1: Game has been banged and then bowed and left the
17:16
Speaker 1: clubhouse and I was like, tomorrow, I guess, so shout
17:20
Speaker 1: out Miles Michael was for the official announcement of days
17:24
Speaker 1: rain out. Okay, speaking speaking of Miles, he is one
17:28
Speaker 1: of the few that I have known the entire time
17:31
Speaker 1: I've been here, this is my fifth year.
17:33
Speaker 2: Just crazy. Maybe I'm the old now.
17:36
Speaker 1: So I feel like I have a pretty good read
17:37
Speaker 1: on who's the biggest prankster in the clubhouse, and I
17:41
Speaker 1: feel like it's Miles and Andre hated do this to you.
17:43
Speaker 1: But I've heard a couple of stories involving you, particularly
17:46
Speaker 1: where you've been pranked, and I won't say them, but
17:49
Speaker 1: I will ask you, is there one that's like, whether
17:52
Speaker 1: it was Miles, whether it was Raino, that's you remember
17:55
Speaker 1: as being like, Okay, they really got me good on
17:57
Speaker 1: this one.
17:58
Speaker 4: I mean, there's too many to count. I'm definitely I'm
18:02
Speaker 4: definitely the target. I'm definitely the punching bag, the target, dummy,
18:05
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call me for whatever these are, man,
18:11
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there there there's a lot. I think,
18:17
Speaker 4: you know they talk about. I guess, I mean, there's
18:19
Speaker 4: there's so many. I just don't know which ones I
18:21
Speaker 4: can talk about. So that's where I guess. Like one
18:25
Speaker 4: of them was like my first year up and it
18:27
Speaker 4: was like the month or so end and we end
18:31
Speaker 4: up getting in like the benches cleared and you know,
18:34
Speaker 4: to run out from the bullpen and everything and run
18:36
Speaker 4: on the field and I show up the next day
18:38
Speaker 4: and I've got this notice from like the MLB like, hey,
18:41
Speaker 4: you've been fined five thousand dollars for running.
18:43
Speaker 3: Out onto the field.
18:44
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, man, like holy crap, I haven't even
18:47
Speaker 4: received my first paycheck yet, Like I can't pay this
18:49
Speaker 4: right now. And then I go I check with our
18:51
Speaker 4: clubhouse manager and he's like, yeah, they delivered it. They
18:54
Speaker 4: send it to us today, like you know.
18:56
Speaker 3: What you got?
18:57
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, one of them, I think Miles
19:00
Speaker 4: or I think it was Miles that came up to me,
19:02
Speaker 4: or maybe it was Bader came up to me and
19:04
Speaker 4: was like, hey, like she'd ask Nado. That's not how
19:07
Speaker 4: to pay for it, because he's the one that was
19:09
Speaker 4: the one that started to brawl and you just got
19:11
Speaker 4: his back.
19:12
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm not gonna.
19:13
Speaker 4: Make him do that, like you know, I'm just gonna Yeah,
19:15
Speaker 4: I guess I'll just wear it. And then at the
19:17
Speaker 4: end of the game, he's like, now I just hit
19:19
Speaker 4: like a walk off, Like now the time to do it. Now,
19:21
Speaker 4: now you should ask him. So I go up to
19:23
Speaker 4: him like hey, he got this, and he's like, nah,
19:25
Speaker 4: that's on you. And they tell me that it was
19:27
Speaker 4: just a prank and that uh way know how to
19:29
Speaker 4: print it out and put on my chair Like before
19:31
Speaker 4: I showed up that day.
19:33
Speaker 2: I just want to know why it was just you.
19:34
Speaker 2: Everyone from the bullpen ran.
19:36
Speaker 3: Out well the.
19:38
Speaker 4: I mean I probably should. I like, I knew that
19:40
Speaker 4: it was fake. I kind of knew it was fake.
19:42
Speaker 4: I even asked, like I asked the clothes. I'm like,
19:43
Speaker 4: this has to be vague, But one of the bullpen guys, mcfarlande,
19:47
Speaker 4: gave me a pretty good reason and he was like, Oh,
19:49
Speaker 4: they just don't want guys who've been called up within
19:51
Speaker 4: like fifteen days starting a ruckus. And I'm like that
19:54
Speaker 4: makes sense. Actually, I'm like, yeah, you don't want guys
19:56
Speaker 4: coming up and doing that.
19:58
Speaker 2: So I house so you can got Ernie the clubhouse man.
20:02
Speaker 2: It's the entire clubhouse break too. That's pretty good.
20:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
20:05
Speaker 4: I mean they they'll go they'll go to No, they'll
20:09
Speaker 4: stop at no lengths to get me for sure.
20:11
Speaker 2: How How did you how did you find yourself in
20:13
Speaker 2: this role?
20:15
Speaker 4: I mean I think it's just my personality, you know,
20:18
Speaker 4: Like Sonny was talking about the other day, like just
20:21
Speaker 4: be like, you know, people love to make fun of me,
20:23
Speaker 4: and I think it's because they know I could. I
20:25
Speaker 4: take it pretty well and I don't take it too seriously.
20:27
Speaker 4: But I think I've let it go to a point
20:29
Speaker 4: now where it's almost like customary. Oh no, But I
20:34
Speaker 4: mean it's also a compliment. I mean, you know, Lance said, like,
20:37
Speaker 4: you know, they make fun of you because they think
20:39
Speaker 4: you're good and that you're gonna stick around. They don't
20:41
Speaker 4: make fun of guys that they think are just gonna
20:42
Speaker 4: be gone. So I'm like, in a way, it's kind
20:44
Speaker 4: of a compliment. So I guess I'll take it like that.
20:47
Speaker 1: That's true. That's a that's a good way to wear it.
20:50
Speaker 1: You're doing the best you can. I haven't heard that
20:52
Speaker 1: one yet, though. That's a pretty good one.
20:53
Speaker 2: Levy. Have you have they pranked you? Have you? You
20:56
Speaker 2: seem harder to prank in the most respectful way to
20:58
Speaker 2: both of you.
21:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't had any like actual pranks done on me.
21:03
Speaker 5: I guess the only thing that I've had to do
21:06
Speaker 5: is the rookie dress up. We did Willy Wonka and
21:11
Speaker 5: the Upba lumpas a couple of years ago in San Diego,
21:14
Speaker 5: and I was Willy Wonka walking around with all of
21:17
Speaker 5: the up ballumpas on the streets of downtown San Diego
21:21
Speaker 5: on Lloyd to our hotel and we were supposed to
21:23
Speaker 5: go out to a bar or something hang out there
21:26
Speaker 5: and in our costumes, and we ended up forget why,
21:30
Speaker 5: but we didn't go to the bar. We end up
21:32
Speaker 5: just in the hotel lobby, all hanging out together. And
21:36
Speaker 5: the amount of looks that we got walking down the
21:38
Speaker 5: street and into the hotel was pretty uncomfortable. But that
21:42
Speaker 5: was probably the only like prankish type of thing. But
21:44
Speaker 5: that's more of a tradition than a personal prank.
21:49
Speaker 1: That's I do Like, it's Miles who comes up with
21:51
Speaker 1: the costumes, right, Yeah, he's had some good ones he's had.
21:56
Speaker 2: I can't remember what you guys did, but there were
21:57
Speaker 2: suspenders involved last year.
21:59
Speaker 4: Maybe it was that there was Bavarian was Bavarian last year.
22:03
Speaker 4: We were all in like, like, I forgot because I
22:06
Speaker 4: had I had a leaden hose because I did that.
22:08
Speaker 5: For like the last Yeah, it was like october Fest
22:11
Speaker 5: or something like that.
22:12
Speaker 2: I do remember Octoberfest. I also remember Andrew having to
22:15
Speaker 2: do this multiple times.
22:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've done it.
22:17
Speaker 5: Three times now as part of the Andre prank is
22:20
Speaker 5: like eternal rookie dress up.
22:22
Speaker 4: The cutoffs, well, the cutoff is my amount of service
22:27
Speaker 4: time plus one, so it's anyone with less than that,
22:32
Speaker 4: which of course always included me. But my first year
22:35
Speaker 4: it was actually kind of cool because I don't know
22:37
Speaker 4: who bought all the costumes, probably Miles, but they just
22:39
Speaker 4: had like a bunch of them out there, and he
22:42
Speaker 4: had one veteran choose their costumes and I had pool
22:46
Speaker 4: shows my costume. So I'm like, that's pretty cool. He
22:49
Speaker 4: chose me to be the Crab. I'm like, yeah, it's
22:52
Speaker 4: kind of cool. All these have that.
22:55
Speaker 1: I think the Crab is one of the the less
22:58
Speaker 1: bad ones. There was one where Miles was like the
23:02
Speaker 1: Magician or something, because I think Miles actually secretly likes
23:05
Speaker 1: to dress up.
23:06
Speaker 2: He loves the theme, right, but I can't remember.
23:12
Speaker 4: I mean every plane flight, you know, will be in
23:14
Speaker 4: our travel suit, the other the Nike travel suits or whatever,
23:17
Speaker 4: the sweatsuits, and then Miles will be their full top hat,
23:21
Speaker 4: sometimes off briefcase, a little cane. You know, there's no
23:25
Speaker 4: secret he loves a dress.
23:26
Speaker 5: Up and he's always matched into the city too, like Texas.
23:29
Speaker 5: It's a big beat buckle with boots and a hat.
23:32
Speaker 3: Like we go to.
23:32
Speaker 5: Baltimore, he's wearing like a full black like mobster type suit.
23:37
Speaker 5: Like he's always just trying to match the city, and
23:40
Speaker 5: he pulls together some pretty incredible outfits.
23:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:44
Speaker 1: I remember, right before he went to Toronto last year,
23:46
Speaker 1: maybe like a week before, he was telling me all
23:49
Speaker 1: about all of his different outputs he was gonna wear
23:51
Speaker 1: in Toronto because I don't think he was pitching that series,
23:52
Speaker 1: so he had a lot of time to plan out
23:54
Speaker 1: the wardrobe and he was really excited about the Canadian tuxedo.
23:57
Speaker 1: So yeah, Meanwhile, I'm over here just scrambling to my
24:00
Speaker 1: Southwest flight hoping that like my legs are, I'm just
24:03
Speaker 1: trying to get the game on time.
24:05
Speaker 2: You guys know how, it is never kind of lifestyle.
24:08
Speaker 1: So think of me when you guys are on your
24:10
Speaker 1: charter and I'm like seaboarding on my third flight of
24:13
Speaker 1: the day and.
24:14
Speaker 2: They don't even give like good snacks anymore on Southwest.
24:16
Speaker 2: So that's another complaint that I have.
24:17
Speaker 1: You guys get like Chick fil A and I'm like,
24:19
Speaker 1: oh cool, here are these pretzels that I've had for
24:20
Speaker 1: the eighth time.
24:21
Speaker 3: This week.
24:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, but after we have those Sunday night baseball games,
24:25
Speaker 4: think we're not getting it back home till like four
24:27
Speaker 4: in the morning, So I think it averages out in
24:29
Speaker 4: the end.
24:29
Speaker 2: It does average out.
24:30
Speaker 1: One time I saw Stephen Matt's on a Southwest flight,
24:33
Speaker 1: which I don't know why he was on my flight,
24:35
Speaker 1: but I'm like struggling going through TSA, I have all
24:38
Speaker 1: my bags and he goes, do you do this every time?
24:41
Speaker 2: Like, yes, I do this.
24:44
Speaker 4: That's what everyone right now.
24:46
Speaker 1: My favorite is a couple of you guys will ask like, hey,
24:49
Speaker 1: why didn't we see you on the charter? And I'm like,
24:51
Speaker 1: have you ever seen us on the charter? And they're like, no,
24:54
Speaker 1: we just kind of figured that you got like on
24:57
Speaker 1: before us. I was like, I'm We're not on the charter,
24:59
Speaker 1: you guys. That's why we're always showing up at a
25:01
Speaker 1: different time because we're on different flights. I had to
25:03
Speaker 1: explain that to Jordan Hicks like six different times in
25:05
Speaker 1: three years that we are not on the churn. All right,
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27:01
Speaker 3: About his walk out to the, mountain.
27:04
Speaker 2: First of, all oh my.
27:05
Speaker 1: Gosh if we're trying to pick up the pace of,
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Speaker 1: play Tell dusty to get a move.
27:09
Speaker 2: ON i get on him all the. TIME i know it's.
27:10
Speaker 2: STRATEGIC i know he's trying to buy, time but come.
27:14
Speaker 1: On the best was when he had that broken, foot
27:16
Speaker 1: so it took double long and spring training just from
27:18
Speaker 1: me to get to the MOUNT i was, like can
27:20
Speaker 1: someone get this by like a?
27:21
Speaker 2: Wheelchair this is. Ridiculous he's so.
27:24
Speaker 1: Slow but is there anything? Else any other kind of
27:27
Speaker 1: what CAN i what CAN i get him?
27:29
Speaker 3: ON i don't.
27:30
Speaker 5: Know i'd say like the walkout to the mounta he's
27:33
Speaker 5: got a little hitch when he, walks AND i know
27:35
Speaker 5: that we've talked about it with him a little bit
27:38
Speaker 5: so that that bugs him. Sometimes but outside of, that
27:41
Speaker 5: like he's a really smart. Dude he's very thoughtful about
27:44
Speaker 5: what he, Says like he's very. Intentional he's not just
27:47
Speaker 5: making conversation and make. Conversations SO i feel like he's
27:51
Speaker 5: pretty self aware in a way that he doesn't slip
27:54
Speaker 5: up a. Lot there's not a lot of stuff that
27:57
Speaker 5: you catch him saying that he didn't mean to, say
27:59
Speaker 5: or that us off brand by any.
28:02
Speaker 4: Means, YEAH i pretty much just agree with. THAT i, mean,
28:07
Speaker 4: UH i. Know the only, thing the only thing you
28:09
Speaker 4: can probably harp him on is he kind of he's
28:11
Speaker 4: been asking me to try and like be more fun
28:14
Speaker 4: and be more entertaining and tell tell him he needed that.
28:19
Speaker 4: Himself he, does he.
28:21
Speaker 1: Does i'm always trying to like get a laugh out of,
28:23
Speaker 1: him and he just looks at me and he's, like
28:25
Speaker 1: what is wrong with? You and like there's a lot
28:27
Speaker 1: wrong with? Me but live a Little, yeah He's he's.
28:32
Speaker 1: Great i'm excited to see that how that. GOES i
28:34
Speaker 1: think he actually is so insightful And i'm glad that this,
28:36
Speaker 1: YEAR i think the fans are starting to see what
28:41
Speaker 1: his how his plan has has really gone for you,
28:43
Speaker 1: guys because this rotation has really kept this team afloat
28:46
Speaker 1: during this really fun, stretch which brings us to our last,
28:50
Speaker 1: question because we have to get to the ballpark. Soon,
28:52
Speaker 1: Uh for all of that was made of the season
28:55
Speaker 1: before we, started where it, was you, know transition. Year
28:58
Speaker 1: we're going to take a step. Back this might not
29:00
Speaker 1: be The cardinals team that we're used to. Having you
29:03
Speaker 1: guys have essentially, said, actually, no we're going to be just,
29:06
Speaker 1: fine and for you two in, particular knowing that the
29:09
Speaker 1: future of the club two are going to be a
29:11
Speaker 1: big part of how much fun are you having right
29:14
Speaker 1: now in this really surprising turn of events this?
29:16
Speaker 5: Summer, YEAH i think the last two, years especially for
29:23
Speaker 5: the young, guys we came into the season with a
29:25
Speaker 5: lot of, expectations AND i think that that's a great
29:27
Speaker 5: thing to. Have there should be, expectations there should be a.
29:31
Speaker 5: Standard BUT i think when we didn't live up to,
29:34
Speaker 5: that it made it really difficult for us to find
29:36
Speaker 5: our identity and figure out who we were as a
29:38
Speaker 5: ball club when we weren't winning. Games AND i think
29:42
Speaker 5: coming into this, year you, know hard for me to
29:45
Speaker 5: say historically Because i've only been here for a few,
29:47
Speaker 5: years BUT i think this is the first time in
29:49
Speaker 5: a long time that everybody came in with no.
29:51
Speaker 3: Expectations and SOMETIMES.
29:53
Speaker 5: I think that that can be a really really good
29:55
Speaker 5: place to build a foundation from and to grow. From
29:59
Speaker 5: AND i think think you noticed it in spring, training
30:01
Speaker 5: like guys who are just playing loose and. Free we're
30:04
Speaker 5: looking for ways to have fun and connect with our,
30:06
Speaker 5: teammates and obviously our goal is to always win a baseball,
30:10
Speaker 5: game like that's why we. Play we all want to
30:12
Speaker 5: win A World. Series we all want to go to the.
30:13
Speaker 5: Postseason but that can only be done if you take
30:17
Speaker 5: things one day at a, time and if you take
30:18
Speaker 5: it too, seriously SOMETIMES i think you do too. Much
30:23
Speaker 5: AND i think coming in with no expectations this, year
30:26
Speaker 5: like we just took the field and wanted to have.
30:28
Speaker 5: Fun you, know you Saw wilson spring training like nobody
30:32
Speaker 5: had more fun than he. Did and even now during the,
30:34
Speaker 5: season like you see him out on the, field joking,
30:36
Speaker 5: around having a good. Time mason's out there having a good.
30:39
Speaker 5: Time he's gotten out all laughing at third. Base like
30:42
Speaker 5: our outfield is. Aggressive everybody wants the, BALL i think
30:46
Speaker 5: just collectively as a, unit, like guys are going out
30:49
Speaker 5: with less expectations than we ever have, before which has
30:52
Speaker 5: led to us playing a very free brand of. Baseball
30:56
Speaker 5: AND i think that that's, fun, yeah.
31:00
Speaker 4: And a little bit to build. Off that is just
31:01
Speaker 4: kind of like when you have those, expectations when you
31:03
Speaker 4: have expectations that are so high and you feel that
31:06
Speaker 4: pressure and then you have the, Shortcoming like you, know
31:10
Speaker 4: what was it two weeks in the year we were
31:12
Speaker 4: like three or four games under five. Hundred you, know
31:14
Speaker 4: it wasn't. It we want one to nine on one
31:16
Speaker 4: or one, set whatever it was on our first road
31:18
Speaker 4: trip didn't go. Break it's Not and like that's one
31:23
Speaker 4: of those where that's when the spiral can. Begin when
31:25
Speaker 4: you start having that pressure on. Yourself then you start
31:27
Speaker 4: doubting yourself and you start saying guessing yourself and all those.
31:30
Speaker 4: Things but Like leby, saying when you're when you're free
31:33
Speaker 4: and you're, easy you, know you take the. Losses those
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Speaker 4: are going to, happen and but you don't never go
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Speaker 4: show up to the field, like oh, man this is
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Speaker 4: the beginning of the. End you, know you show up
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Speaker 4: to field every, field every day is a new, day
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Speaker 4: and how are we going to win? Today and, REALLY
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Speaker 4: i mean even last night's a great example of, it was, like, man,
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Speaker 4: oh like you know what's going to. Happen then all
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Speaker 4: of a sudden it's, like holy, crap we're running four
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Speaker 4: to three in the.
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Speaker 3: Ninth you, know.
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Speaker 4: Didn't come away with a, win but, like you, know
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Speaker 4: we we had a chance to win that game against
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Speaker 4: another good ball, club and you should ep putting yourself
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Speaker 4: in those opportunities and it will go your.
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Speaker 5: WAY i think one Thing i'll add, too is like
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Speaker 5: the runway that somebody like myself was, given Or Victor
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Speaker 5: scott was given the ability to go out and maybe
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Speaker 5: not have your best on a certain day and walk
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Speaker 5: back into the clubhouse feeling LIKE i have a whole
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Speaker 5: support staff behind me that the goal is to figure
32:24
Speaker 5: it out and not to get me out of here
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Speaker 5: Because i'm not performing at this. MOMENT i think that
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Speaker 5: really freezes guys up to focus On, okay let's move
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Speaker 5: on to the next day and not harp on this.
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Speaker 5: Day AND i think that that kind of parallels to
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Speaker 5: what you've seen the whole, Season like there hasn't been a.
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Speaker 5: Panic there hasn't been, oh some someone needs to get
32:46
Speaker 5: out of, here like he can't be at this. Level
32:48
Speaker 5: it's it's all been what do we need to do
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Speaker 5: to figure this? Out and we have an entire clubhouse
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Speaker 5: and entire support staff behind us trying to help us do.
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Speaker 5: That AND i think that that's a very confidence boosting
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Speaker 5: methodology of helping your.
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Speaker 1: Players, NOW i think you're spot on, There, Libby and
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Speaker 1: here's a hot. TAKE i actually think you guys are
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Speaker 1: winning more games because of that mindset and because of
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Speaker 1: that mentality from the organization than years, prior BECAUSE i
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Speaker 1: mean you have both of you have REALLY i think
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Speaker 1: added to the win. Total Victor scott defensively is doing.
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Speaker 1: That you see What Mason wynn can do on an everyday,
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Speaker 1: Basis Brendan donovan should be An All, Star and of
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Speaker 1: course you have your cornerstones And concraists And, arnatto but
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Speaker 1: by going out there and letting the young guys just.
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Speaker 1: Play look at What Kyle lady is doing right like
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Speaker 1: each person was granted some opportunity and the players that
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Speaker 1: were granted that opportunity have directly contributed to the win
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Speaker 1: lost record in a positive. Way SO i don't think
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Speaker 1: it's out of the question at all to suggests that
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Speaker 1: while maybe this wasn't what the organization had thought would,
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Speaker 1: happen the consequence of allowing, you both of you and
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Speaker 1: the majority of the team to go out there and
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Speaker 1: play every day and have the opportunity and have the
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Speaker 1: runway has ACTUALLY i think made you guys an all
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Speaker 1: around better team and it's been, really really fun to.
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Speaker 2: Watch so thank you both for doing.
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Speaker 1: THIS i appreciate, it and as a, REWARD i won't
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Speaker 1: ask you for any extra favors for at least the
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Speaker 1: next seven. Days so it also helps Because i'm skipping
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Speaker 1: a series coming up, soon so you get a full
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Speaker 1: break from, me AND i think that is a win.
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Speaker 1: Overall thank you guys again for doing. This That's Matthew,
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Speaker 1: libator That's Andre. Pilante I'm Katie Wu Cardinal. Territory we're
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Speaker 1: back with you On friday With Dusty, blake and uh,
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Speaker 1: yeah that's about.
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Speaker 2: It that's ALL i got from. You thanks as always
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Speaker 2: for watching.
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Speaker 4: It, guys thank you so, Much thank You, problem thank
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Speaker 4: you for having us