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Wired To Hunt Podcast #223: Next Level Deer Hunting Tactics w/ Dan Infalt · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two three,
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Speaker 1: and today in the show, we're joined again by Dan
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Speaker 1: in Fault to take a deeper than ever look into
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Speaker 1: his hunting Beast style strategies and philosophies for public land
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Speaker 1: and heavily pressured white tail bucks. All right, welcome to
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Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx.
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Speaker 1: And today on the show, we have Dan in Fault
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Speaker 1: back with us on the podcast for the first time
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Speaker 1: since two thousand fourteen. And if you're not familiar with Dan,
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Speaker 1: I hope this helps change that because Dan is one
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Speaker 1: of the I think it's fair to say he is
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Speaker 1: one of the most revered and respected serious d I
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Speaker 1: Y deer hunters out there, and he's become well known
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Speaker 1: because of this forum he started called The Hunting Beast,
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Speaker 1: and then many different DVDs, books, and other resources that
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Speaker 1: he's put out over over past years to help people
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Speaker 1: learn about his aggressive and mobile style of deer hunting
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Speaker 1: that seems to work particularly well for people that are
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Speaker 1: hunting public land or heavily pressure private lands. And you know,
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Speaker 1: Dan was actually one of our very first guests on
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Speaker 1: the show. I think he was on our very third episode,
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Speaker 1: definitely one of our most popular guests, So I knew
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Speaker 1: that we had to get him back on eventually. But
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Speaker 1: over the course of this four year period since then,
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Speaker 1: you know, Dan has been featured in a lot of
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Speaker 1: different outlets, websites, YouTube channels, podcasts, let alone his own
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Speaker 1: website and all the different things that he's doing there.
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Speaker 1: So my thing was that if if we're gonna have
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Speaker 1: Dan back on again, we just had to find a
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Speaker 1: way to make sure it wasn't, you know, just another
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Speaker 1: rehash of what's already been done on all these other
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Speaker 1: podcasts and shows out there that have popped up since
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Speaker 1: we first started doing this. So here's my idea. To
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Speaker 1: get the next level conversation with Dan. I decided to
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Speaker 1: bring on a couple of guest co hosts who could
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Speaker 1: dive deeper with Dan than even I could. These two
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Speaker 1: guys have studied under Dan for years and years. They've
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Speaker 1: been longtime members of his Hunting Beast forum. They understand
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Speaker 1: Dan's hunting philosophy, is probably better than most anyone else.
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Speaker 1: They've tested his ideas for themselves in the field, and
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Speaker 1: they're now some of the very most successful d I
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Speaker 1: Y deer hunters out there themselves too. I wanted these
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Speaker 1: guys to ask the questions to Dan that they've always
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Speaker 1: wanted answered. So here to do that with me are
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Speaker 1: two of my good buddies and past guests on the
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Speaker 1: podcast as well, Andy May and Joe Elsinger. And that's
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Speaker 1: the game plan. Joe, Andy and myself are going to
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Speaker 1: ask all sorts of questions of Dan in an attempt
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Speaker 1: to you know, anything, and tempt to explore ideas and
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Speaker 1: maybe lessons learns and tactics that Dan hasn't shared as
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Speaker 1: much about in the past. So the format does end
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Speaker 1: up being a little bit more like a Q and
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Speaker 1: A and not as much of a cohesive examination of
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Speaker 1: a single topic like we sometimes do. So kind of
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Speaker 1: all over the place, but I think you'll find we
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Speaker 1: cover some really interesting things that should help a lot
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Speaker 1: of you out. And I should note you know, if
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Speaker 1: you haven't heard our first two episodes with Dan, you
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Speaker 1: probably should go back and listen to those first, so
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Speaker 1: you kind of have the proper foundation to understand what
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Speaker 1: we cover today because we don't cover a lot of
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Speaker 1: the basic elements of Dan's hunting tactics or his his
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Speaker 1: kind of style of hunting. We don't cover much of that,
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Speaker 1: So you'll want to listen to those first episodes to
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Speaker 1: get that background necessary and then come back to this
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Speaker 1: one to kind of cover that that next level stuff.
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Speaker 1: I think even even if you did listen to those
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Speaker 1: first couple episodes way back in two thousand and fourteen,
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Speaker 1: you might even still want to review the now just
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Speaker 1: what's fresh in your mind. So with that being the case,
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Speaker 1: I do think you're all going to come away from
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Speaker 1: this one with a lot of great new ideas. I'm
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Speaker 1: exed I for you to listen to it. I'm excited
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Speaker 1: to listen to it again myself and try to think
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Speaker 1: through some of these things and how they might be
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Speaker 1: applied to my own hunting season. So that's what we
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Speaker 1: have in store for you today. But before we get
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Speaker 1: to the main event, we do need to pause briefly
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Speaker 1: to thank our partners at Onyx for the support of
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Speaker 1: this podcast. And you know, Onyx is the maker of
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Speaker 1: the Onyx Hunt app which is, at least from what
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Speaker 1: I've seen the most useful digital mapping app out there
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Speaker 1: for hunters, and it includes all of your typical GPS
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Speaker 1: app type features. It has all sorts of different types
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Speaker 1: of layers that are useful to a deer hunter, like
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Speaker 1: satellite imagery, topo lines, property borders, public land information. But
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Speaker 1: what I've found particularly useful with the app just recently
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Speaker 1: is that it also includes some information that can help
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Speaker 1: you out if you are hiking or camping. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've been out here in Montana for the last couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks and I've actually been using my onyx app
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Speaker 1: to show me where National forest borders are, which helps
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Speaker 1: me determine where I can pull off and camp for free.
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Speaker 1: And the app also shows many different hiking trails and
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Speaker 1: trail heads and even designated campgrounds. So this has been
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Speaker 1: really helpful for me as we've been driving out in
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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, Montana and trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: where we're gonna stay at night, where we're gonna head to,
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Speaker 1: what types of places you want to stay at. It's
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Speaker 1: been very handy for that, and of course I think
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Speaker 1: this would be very useful for anyone planning a back
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Speaker 1: country elk or mule deer hunt too. So as always,
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Speaker 1: I'm finding on x to be a great tool, and
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Speaker 1: that's O n X on your phone's app store. And
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Speaker 1: now let's get to the show with Joe, Andy and Dan.
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Speaker 1: All Right, I've now have with me three more folks
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Speaker 1: I've got as my co host join me today, Joel
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Speaker 1: Eli Singer and Andy May. And joining us as our
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Speaker 1: actual guest though, is Dan in Fall. So welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the show. Dan. It's been a little while. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Yeah, I think it was way
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Speaker 1: back in two thousand fourteen when we actually were able
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Speaker 1: to do this last that's kind of time flies. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe it's been that long, but we had you
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Speaker 1: on twice and those are great episodes. Um, But since then,
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Speaker 1: I think a lot has changed, most notably at least
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Speaker 1: from your end. I think, you know, I think more
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Speaker 1: and more people have found out about what you're doing
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Speaker 1: in your style of hunting, whether it be just from
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Speaker 1: engaging with your own website and your forum and your
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Speaker 1: podcasts and videos, or from the other appearances you've made
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Speaker 1: on gosh, the the two thousand other podcasts that have
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Speaker 1: popped up now across the world. So you've been you've
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Speaker 1: been kind of sharing your your methodology all over the place.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people are interested and excited about it.
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Speaker 1: So so when I got to thinking, I was like,
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Speaker 1: I want to have Dan back on the show, but
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Speaker 1: how do we do something that's different? How do we
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Speaker 1: do something that's kind of next level? And Um, the
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Speaker 1: idea I had was to bring Joe and Andy on
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Speaker 1: as co host because I think it's fair to say, um,
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Speaker 1: and you guys jump in if you if you want
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Speaker 1: to correct me here, but I think I would look
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Speaker 1: at them as kind of proteges of yours and that
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Speaker 1: they've they've been following what we've been doing on the
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Speaker 1: Hunting Beast. They've been longtime members your forum and some
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Speaker 1: of the very most successful guys on there, and now
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Speaker 1: they've kind of gone out and they've been able to
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Speaker 1: develop their own styles and they've they've been sharing that
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Speaker 1: with the world too. So I think they've got an
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Speaker 1: interesting perspective as they've learned a ton of from you
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Speaker 1: but then grown in their own way. UM. So my
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Speaker 1: hope here is that in addition to my own curiosities,
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Speaker 1: I think these two guys are gonna have a lot
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Speaker 1: of questions for you that are going to be maybe
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Speaker 1: even more in depth or more interesting than anything I have,
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Speaker 1: since they're head and shoulders above me, even when it
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Speaker 1: comes to understanding what you do and or how to
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Speaker 1: apply that kind of stuff out there um in the field.
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Speaker 1: So that's kind of my my idea for this this chat.
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Speaker 1: And I guess to start though, Dan, if you're if
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Speaker 1: you're up for this, most people know what you're up to.
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Speaker 1: But if there's someone new listening right now, if we
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Speaker 1: just want to establish like a little bit of of
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Speaker 1: a foundation, even if someone came up to you and
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Speaker 1: was just like, you know, Dan, what is beast style hunting?
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people call it this now, they
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Speaker 1: call it beast style hunting. If you had to give
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Speaker 1: them like a cliff notes answer to explain, like your
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Speaker 1: general style of hunting, how would you how would you
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Speaker 1: do that? Dan Um? Probably I would say it's, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a style of getting really close to the book
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Speaker 1: betting and really understanding book betting and uh getting the
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Speaker 1: worth of deer moving daylight and so so then if
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Speaker 1: that's the case of its betting focused. How is your
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Speaker 1: hunting style different now than it was when we talked
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Speaker 1: back then? Have have have you evolved at all or
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Speaker 1: has your style changed at all in the last three
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Speaker 1: or four years? Not much. Um, I've been involved in
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Speaker 1: my whole life, so I think that the last few
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Speaker 1: years have been pretty flatlined as far as development and
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Speaker 1: real quick I have a quick question on that. How
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Speaker 1: about your focus as a hunter, because I feel like
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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, no, you might know what you're where,
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Speaker 1: you're going there, but I feel like you're focused maybe
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Speaker 1: has changed and if you yeah, that that is correct. Um,
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Speaker 1: Joe makes a good point there. Um, I think my
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Speaker 1: focus is uh, it's really changed. And uh, I'm not
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Speaker 1: aggressive as a hunter and I don't care as much
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Speaker 1: anymore if I'm successful, and I'm worry more about others
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Speaker 1: than I do myself. I think when I was younger,
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Speaker 1: that drive and stuff is what put a lot of
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Speaker 1: those giant bucks on my wall. And you know what
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Speaker 1: they hate you lose a little bit of that drive. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I kill a lot more bucks now out of knowledge.
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Speaker 1: When I was younger, I think I kill a lot
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Speaker 1: of them out of just sheer determination, What will this
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Speaker 1: dan when it comes to those that's that sheer determination everything?
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Speaker 1: Have you seen the outside world change at all? Enforced
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Speaker 1: you change? And I guess something I feel like has
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Speaker 1: been happening is with the kind the word out about
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Speaker 1: how you hunt and other public land and kind of
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Speaker 1: heavily pressured area hunters out there. There's a lot of
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Speaker 1: people talking about this kind of stuff. Now, I feel
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Speaker 1: like more and more guys are getting the confidence to
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Speaker 1: go and hunt public places and go in these tough
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Speaker 1: hunt places and dive in there and do this kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff. Have you seen like increased pressure? Like are
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Speaker 1: there more people trying to do the same things that
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Speaker 1: you've been doing? Is that making things more difficult for you? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's it's really been a huge change the last couple
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Speaker 1: of years. It's really starting to grow rapidly. And uh
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Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know. Um, I'm seeing guys that you know,
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Speaker 1: you used to say you never go in your betting
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Speaker 1: changing your whole tune now and uh a lot of
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Speaker 1: mainstream guys adapting the same philosophies. Um, so I think
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Speaker 1: it is growing, um really big. Um. It gets kind
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Speaker 1: of hard for me because um, I like to talk
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Speaker 1: you know, like more like with the Joe's and Andy's
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Speaker 1: out there who are really hardcore and uh and uh
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Speaker 1: I can relate with and and but I got a
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Speaker 1: lot of new new people coming to me all the time,
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Speaker 1: asking the same questions over and over and over again.
10:55
Speaker 1: I find the bad dad. We all start there, you know.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing, and and one of the one of
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Speaker 1: many things I admire about you, Dan, and I for
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Speaker 1: the record, you've taught me, you know, on the East
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Speaker 1: in general has taught me more about hunting than any
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Speaker 1: other one entity in my entire lifetime. You know, you're
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Speaker 1: willing to answer those questions begin and again because we
11:21
Speaker 1: all start there. And you know, you know, it's like
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Speaker 1: a you know, answering a three year old when it
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Speaker 1: comes to how to you know, put on their codes
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Speaker 1: in the morning. But we all start there, and you
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Speaker 1: remember that it's really easy to become almost arrogant. Either's
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Speaker 1: examples out there, you know, people's ignoring others. Um and
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Speaker 1: you're always going to teach. So I don't know one
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Speaker 1: question I had for you regarding that, where do you
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Speaker 1: Where did that come from? I guess you know, I, um,
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Speaker 1: where does that desire to you? Know, to help others out,
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Speaker 1: even even to your detriment. You know, we've talked about
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Speaker 1: that where you know, you know you're getting more pressure
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Speaker 1: in areas that you hunt. I know I'm feeling it too, um,
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Speaker 1: but we still do it, you know, because it's in
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Speaker 1: the big picture that's a good thing. I guess. You know.
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Speaker 1: Even when I was younger, I think I worried more
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Speaker 1: about that stuff, and you know, it gives making an
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Speaker 1: impact on me. I had a, um two seasons ago,
12:22
Speaker 1: I had a really large non typical alis hunting and
12:24
Speaker 1: some people that follow me figured out my where I
12:28
Speaker 1: was hunting that deer and really moved in and took
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Speaker 1: over and they ended up killing it. And uh, that
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Speaker 1: stuff happens. But I don't really mind that much anymore. Um.
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Speaker 1: But what I really like to do is is I
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Speaker 1: hate the direction that the hunting industry is going. And
12:45
Speaker 1: it's almost going to like a you've gotta have certain
12:48
Speaker 1: products and you have to be uh like a deer
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Speaker 1: farmer type guy. And the people out there don't have
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Speaker 1: the money or the the ability to get on good
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Speaker 1: private land and hunt away. All these other people are
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Speaker 1: hunting and they've just kind of lost souls, And I
13:05
Speaker 1: think what I'd like to see is the woodsmanship. I
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Speaker 1: saw when I was young that the old hunters had
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Speaker 1: come back, and uh, it's almost a lost art. And
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Speaker 1: I think kind of, you know, you're talking about be style.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is the woodsmanship, learning
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Speaker 1: what dear do, how they behave and stuff, rather than
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Speaker 1: just um, you know, planting a food plot or putting
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Speaker 1: on a pile of food. Not that there's anything wrong
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Speaker 1: with that, just I'd like to see people, you know,
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Speaker 1: at least adapt and understand the skills of the woods
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Speaker 1: like they used to. Yeah, hey, Dan, this is the
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Speaker 1: indie that kind of sparks a question that I had. Uh,
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Speaker 1: kind of piggyback off that. But you think that kind
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Speaker 1: of that focus on big buck or the big buck
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Speaker 1: craze that kind of seems to be compounding itself and
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Speaker 1: getting you know, such an emphasis on that. Do you
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Speaker 1: do you feel like that's kind of ruining hunting in
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Speaker 1: a way in your opinion to some degree. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I think that's what drives a lot of people who
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Speaker 1: get out there, as long as they don't let it
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Speaker 1: consume them. I think it's good, you know, it could
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Speaker 1: kind of consume me when I was younger. Um, but
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't see it's bad in
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Speaker 1: a lot of this new generation. I think I think
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Speaker 1: people do have a team down a bit more than
14:17
Speaker 1: the older issue come come down a little a little
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Speaker 1: bit from you know, ten twenty years ago, it seemed
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Speaker 1: a peak and you know that's all everybody thought about, right,
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Speaker 1: I have seen like a little more especially it kind
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Speaker 1: of it seems like you know what, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: some of the public land issues and you know the
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Speaker 1: threats on public land there there has been a slight
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Speaker 1: switch to uh, you know, just more about the journey
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Speaker 1: and more about the hunt and more about the experience. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, I have I have seen that focus and
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Speaker 1: that emphasis so that I actually really like. So that's
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Speaker 1: kind of that's good. You know, some of the things
14:55
Speaker 1: Dan said kind of making me think about some of
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Speaker 1: these other questions that I've kind of always wanted to
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Speaker 1: ask him. And this is one that you actually answered
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Speaker 1: on a recent podcast, but maybe you could even take
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Speaker 1: it a little bit further. But um, you know, you've
15:10
Speaker 1: been pretty open about you know, when you were younger
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Speaker 1: and you've had young kids that you know, your your
15:16
Speaker 1: commitment to hunting was on such a high level that
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Speaker 1: you even miss some you know, important things that involved
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Speaker 1: your family. And you know, I can tell you know
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Speaker 1: by bringing that up you have some regret there. Um.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, you mentioned that
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't really change much. But what would you what
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Speaker 1: would you give for advice to like kind of aspiring
15:39
Speaker 1: young hunters that you have families like young families at
15:42
Speaker 1: home as far as like a time commitment. Um. And
15:45
Speaker 1: then in addition to that, um, you know, what would
15:50
Speaker 1: you if they kind of wanted to find that balance?
15:52
Speaker 1: How do you or what would you tell them if
15:54
Speaker 1: if they wanted to kind of maximize their success on
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Speaker 1: mature dear, I think what I'd see is a lot
16:01
Speaker 1: of the people that have a problem making that balance
16:03
Speaker 1: really uh put deer over everything, and uh what they
16:07
Speaker 1: got to realize is that, um, if you shoot, you know,
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Speaker 1: even you Andy, I don't remember what you shot last year,
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Speaker 1: but I really look up to you. Do you remember
16:15
Speaker 1: what I shot? You don't. I don't think anybody really
16:18
Speaker 1: cares what any of us shot. Really, So if you
16:20
Speaker 1: put another buck in the wall or you don't, I
16:22
Speaker 1: don't think it's a big deal and to sacrifice your
16:26
Speaker 1: family and your kids and birthdays and that kind of thing. Um,
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Speaker 1: Like you said, I took it to the extreme and
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Speaker 1: I regret a little bit of it. But yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: what made me who I am, you know. But I
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Speaker 1: think I would I would tell those kids that it
16:41
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter if they put a buck in the
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Speaker 1: wall or not, you know that, to put their ethics
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Speaker 1: and morals and stuff first, and uh be able to
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Speaker 1: look at the deer that they get that they earn,
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Speaker 1: you know, um, with respect and respect and pride. I'm
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Speaker 1: curious Andy, Andy and Joe to you guys over there
17:00
Speaker 1: about you, how how do you guys look at balancing
17:04
Speaker 1: hunting and family obligations and stuff like that. Andy, do
17:08
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on that? Because I know you've
17:10
Speaker 1: got you have a family yourself. How how's that been
17:12
Speaker 1: for you? And then Joe would be creous for you're
17:14
Speaker 1: jumping after that? Yeah, Um, I think I was um
17:20
Speaker 1: a lot like Dan before I had kids. I was
17:24
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd say lucky, but my situation.
17:27
Speaker 1: I ended up having kids a little bit later than
17:31
Speaker 1: say most of my friends. Um, you know, I was
17:34
Speaker 1: thirty two years old when I had my first, um
17:39
Speaker 1: thirty one, so you know, literally from I started. I
17:44
Speaker 1: started hunting late in my life too, so I was
17:46
Speaker 1: right around the seventeen. But from seventeen to thirty one, UM,
17:51
Speaker 1: that's all I did. You know, I literally scouted five
17:55
Speaker 1: or six days a week, um, completely obsessed with it
17:58
Speaker 1: and hunt it, you know, as often as possible, nearly
18:03
Speaker 1: every day of the season. Um. And then once the
18:07
Speaker 1: once the child came, UM, I toned it back um substantially.
18:12
Speaker 1: But you know, it was that it was those early
18:15
Speaker 1: years I've mentioned that before, that kind of time commitment, UM,
18:19
Speaker 1: that really kind of set the foundation of of my learning.
18:23
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that I'm still evolving, and I
18:25
Speaker 1: I feel like I am, but just probably at a
18:27
Speaker 1: slower pace than what I was at that time because
18:30
Speaker 1: I just I literally that's what I That's just what
18:33
Speaker 1: I did. I literally stopped every other hobby and passion
18:37
Speaker 1: of mine and it was just hyper focused on big
18:40
Speaker 1: deer and hunting. UM. But then you know, toned it
18:44
Speaker 1: back and now I just try to try to keep
18:46
Speaker 1: a balance. I don't want to miss anything with the
18:49
Speaker 1: the kids, and UM, you know, I just wouldn't really
18:52
Speaker 1: feel right about that, And I don't know, I looked
18:55
Speaker 1: at when Dan kind of opened up about that. I
18:58
Speaker 1: remember seeing a threat about it a few years years ago,
19:00
Speaker 1: and I just thought that those were really wise words,
19:03
Speaker 1: you know that you know, you don't let it consume you,
19:06
Speaker 1: and there's there's other things that are more important, and
19:08
Speaker 1: there's nobody's really going to care what you you killed
19:11
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. You know, at the
19:12
Speaker 1: end of your life, no one's gonna care what your
19:14
Speaker 1: wall looks like or how many big bucks you have
19:16
Speaker 1: on it. So I try to keep that in perspective
19:19
Speaker 1: now and just really focus on that that family time.
19:23
Speaker 1: But when it's time to scout and time to hunt,
19:25
Speaker 1: you know, it's a hundercent commitment during that time frame. Yeah,
19:30
Speaker 1: I had a similar journey, you know, other than I,
19:34
Speaker 1: you know, grew up hunting and uh, I spent a
19:39
Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent of my time, um, you know,
19:44
Speaker 1: uh hunting all through my teens and early twenties. And
19:50
Speaker 1: it just slowly how much time I've been able to
19:52
Speaker 1: spend and slowly with each days in my life and
19:55
Speaker 1: kids being kind of most recent days because I had
19:57
Speaker 1: kids like to Hucky and b I I've got three
19:59
Speaker 1: your in the five year old right now. It so
20:01
Speaker 1: not that long a thirties, so um yeah, you know,
20:07
Speaker 1: school and having a career and you know now I've
20:10
Speaker 1: got a managerial position at work and every everything just
20:14
Speaker 1: knocked a few more hours off it, um, which it's unfortunate.
20:18
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, yeah the fire still burns. That's
20:21
Speaker 1: for shared, for getting out there, but it's not you know,
20:25
Speaker 1: it's it's a matter of priorities and life's what you
20:28
Speaker 1: make of it. You only get one life, so that's
20:30
Speaker 1: that's all I look at it, and that I agree,
20:32
Speaker 1: like the only keep told that really care what they shoot.
20:36
Speaker 1: You know, it's the face in the mirror. And a
20:38
Speaker 1: lot of times I think other people, you know a
20:40
Speaker 1: lot of people build it up way too much. And
20:43
Speaker 1: there's you know, people out there in the industry that
20:47
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of unfortunate. You know, it's all
20:50
Speaker 1: or nothing, and it seems like, you know, there's no
20:53
Speaker 1: mention of family or they were married, you know, it
20:56
Speaker 1: fell apart because they put that ahead of everything else,
20:59
Speaker 1: and I think that really unfortunate. Yeah, my son right now,
21:03
Speaker 1: you know, you've asking to take him deer hunting. This
21:05
Speaker 1: fall and I'm going to you know that that that
21:08
Speaker 1: and I kind of shoot a big buck doing it. No,
21:11
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully with the good deer. Uh. And
21:14
Speaker 1: but that I wouldn't have it any other way. When
21:17
Speaker 1: you have somebody, you know, kid asking it that, that's
21:20
Speaker 1: just magical. Yeah, I know this this whole idea, like
21:26
Speaker 1: you know, taking better advantage of the of the time
21:28
Speaker 1: that you do have and being a little more efficient
21:31
Speaker 1: with it. I know that's something you've talked about, Andy,
21:32
Speaker 1: because not only do you have like the family obligations,
21:34
Speaker 1: but also your job doesn't like you get away for
21:37
Speaker 1: really big long stretches of time. Um so so to
21:40
Speaker 1: you Dan. Then for someone who's in a situation kind
21:44
Speaker 1: of like this where they're trying to balance family and
21:45
Speaker 1: work and hunting and they're just trying to become a
21:48
Speaker 1: more efficient hunter and use the time they do have
21:50
Speaker 1: more effectively, you know what what kind of things would
21:53
Speaker 1: you offer now is you've been able to kind of
21:55
Speaker 1: go through that transition yourself to becoming more efficient with
21:58
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, it's hard if you don't If you
22:01
Speaker 1: don't hunt a lot, you don't hear it from a
22:03
Speaker 1: lot of guys who hunt weekends, and so much changes
22:07
Speaker 1: in the woods and the patterns changed so much in
22:09
Speaker 1: a week that it's hard to keep up if you're
22:11
Speaker 1: not out there a lot. I still hunt, you know,
22:15
Speaker 1: four or five times a week, but to me, that's
22:17
Speaker 1: a lot less than I used to. Uh, you know,
22:22
Speaker 1: I think one of the big things is to not
22:24
Speaker 1: overlook the properties near your house. I kill a lot
22:28
Speaker 1: of big bucks on property that's really over pressured. That's
22:32
Speaker 1: convenient because I don't have two hours to go run
22:35
Speaker 1: to the great property, but I got, you know, thirty
22:39
Speaker 1: minutes after work to run down the street and hunt
22:41
Speaker 1: the public swamp where everybody else's h So, you know,
22:47
Speaker 1: just learning that property and getting out and getting chances
22:49
Speaker 1: because I have more time to hunt that. I kill
22:52
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks in hard situations just because I'm
22:56
Speaker 1: out there, you know, And and I push it. So
22:59
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, to find stuff near your home,
23:03
Speaker 1: near your work, like where you can get out of
23:05
Speaker 1: work and go straight out on a day that maybe
23:07
Speaker 1: your family's off doing something or whatever. You can get
23:10
Speaker 1: out more that way on page you normally wouldn't. I
23:15
Speaker 1: think that helps a lot. And Andy, would you add
23:19
Speaker 1: anything since I've mentioned that you're kind of in that
23:20
Speaker 1: spot a little bit too. Yeah. No, that's uh, that's
23:24
Speaker 1: exactly what I do. Dan. We've got some stuff close
23:27
Speaker 1: to home and work that it certainly isn't what I
23:31
Speaker 1: would consider good quality, but I know it intimately. And um,
23:36
Speaker 1: you know, when a big buck shows up, which isn't
23:39
Speaker 1: all that often, but you know, when they do, they're
23:42
Speaker 1: you know, you usually have a pretty good idea on
23:44
Speaker 1: how to hunt them and a good chance of getting him.
23:46
Speaker 1: But other than that, I would just say, you know,
23:50
Speaker 1: just really you know, when you when you kind of
23:53
Speaker 1: settle it in some areas, UM, if you can't put
23:56
Speaker 1: a lot of time in hunting, make sure you put
23:58
Speaker 1: in as much time at possible scouting. Um. And I
24:02
Speaker 1: know Dan believes in this too, but uh, you know
24:05
Speaker 1: I scout way more than the actual hunts that I get,
24:07
Speaker 1: So I try to intimately learn the areas, uh to
24:13
Speaker 1: the point where I just they're almost they almost feel
24:16
Speaker 1: like home to me. You know. If there's um, you know,
24:19
Speaker 1: there's I know every betting area, and I know every
24:23
Speaker 1: water source and um, every fruit bearing tree and you know,
24:27
Speaker 1: just kind of all that kind of stuff, and then
24:29
Speaker 1: you know, build on that with hunting experiences and keep notes.
24:33
Speaker 1: Um you know, uh, you know, tendencies and times of
24:37
Speaker 1: year when things seem to be better, and just kind
24:39
Speaker 1: of accumulate all that and that you can really kind
24:41
Speaker 1: of increase your efficiency with uh you know, with that knowledge.
24:48
Speaker 1: You bring up a really good point because knowing that
24:52
Speaker 1: knowing the area intimately is really important because if you
24:55
Speaker 1: don't scout in the onetime, if you don't take that time,
24:58
Speaker 1: you get to really learn that prob pretty and you're
25:00
Speaker 1: going out to trying to figure it out. I mean,
25:02
Speaker 1: good luck. When you're on ten days a year or
25:03
Speaker 1: twenty days a year, you're gonna you're gonna struggle. Um,
25:07
Speaker 1: Like Andy says, I mean, I go into a three
25:09
Speaker 1: thousand acre property behind my house here, I know where
25:12
Speaker 1: every bedtonary is. So if once there, I know where
25:14
Speaker 1: he's gonna be. So as I have to find sign
25:17
Speaker 1: up a buck and go okay, he's in one of
25:18
Speaker 1: these you know, three or four bettering areas and then
25:21
Speaker 1: hunt him down. Um. But if you can't, if you
25:25
Speaker 1: because you're time's limited, don't scout in spring and don't
25:28
Speaker 1: scout during the season, you're in for a long, hard hunt.
25:33
Speaker 1: That's a lot of guys think they find a vetinary
25:36
Speaker 1: or something too, and then they bank on it. You know.
25:38
Speaker 1: You see a lot of these new guys get really
25:39
Speaker 1: excited when they find a good bedtry. And I think
25:41
Speaker 1: Andy joking, I relate to this. You find some of
25:44
Speaker 1: these vetinaries and they look so tore up, you think, oh,
25:46
Speaker 1: this is golden Well. I can tell you from experience.
25:49
Speaker 1: I've hunted like twenty of those last year and I
25:50
Speaker 1: ended up coming out of it without a buck last year.
25:53
Speaker 1: You know, on the question, I wanted to, Uh, they
26:00
Speaker 1: somebody is really limited at your time. They get two
26:02
Speaker 1: weeks to vocation that's been hot. How would you split
26:07
Speaker 1: at the tweet and scouting and highing like you got? Um,
26:11
Speaker 1: you know, that's a good question. I mean I would
26:18
Speaker 1: definitely want to get some spring scouting and but you
26:20
Speaker 1: think you could get some of that done on the weekends. Um,
26:24
Speaker 1: But if that's all I had was two weeks period
26:27
Speaker 1: for the whole year, I think it would go into scouting. Yeah,
26:31
Speaker 1: but you know, I go I go on trips a
26:32
Speaker 1: lot and go to new areas and and I always
26:34
Speaker 1: like hunting spots I've never been, and I think it's
26:37
Speaker 1: kind of exciting to go in and learn something, to
26:39
Speaker 1: figure it out. And when I go to those new properties,
26:42
Speaker 1: I usually don't hunt mornings and I scout my whole
26:45
Speaker 1: day and then I'm hunting in a spot that I
26:47
Speaker 1: scouted that day whatever was best, And that way I'm
26:51
Speaker 1: not you know, I don't wait till deer walk through
26:54
Speaker 1: and smells I've been there. But I'm going to the
26:56
Speaker 1: outskirts of what looks like betting to me. That's been
26:58
Speaker 1: real good to me going in hunting in that manner
27:01
Speaker 1: scout hunting, you know, can can you elaborate on what
27:05
Speaker 1: that actually looks like? Then during that that new property process,
27:09
Speaker 1: what's the actual scouting process during that period when you're
27:12
Speaker 1: actually gonna go hunt that day, Well, I'm trying to
27:16
Speaker 1: figure out what I think is betting. I mean a little.
27:18
Speaker 1: It's gonna be looking at maps, um you know, aerials,
27:22
Speaker 1: um if it's swamp or flat ground and you know
27:25
Speaker 1: on the top as if it's hilly or both, and uh,
27:30
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go out and actually look and see
27:32
Speaker 1: what's got the cover that all old deer and such.
27:35
Speaker 1: And then I'm not going to go to where I
27:36
Speaker 1: think the betting is, but I'm gonna go to where
27:38
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna kind of circle it the seefter
27:40
Speaker 1: scoop sign coming in and out and then try to
27:43
Speaker 1: get as close fall and that sign as I can
27:46
Speaker 1: and uh set up on it. Yeah. I saw I
27:50
Speaker 1: saw a video that you and Mario did where you
27:52
Speaker 1: guys were reviewing your two thousand seventeen season, and you
27:56
Speaker 1: talked about this kind of grid style approach to hunting
27:59
Speaker 1: a new property where you wrote the property down in
28:01
Speaker 1: two sections and then worked your way through them. Can
28:03
Speaker 1: you can you talk about that a little bit? Uh,
28:06
Speaker 1: that that particular style of hunting originated uh way back
28:11
Speaker 1: when I sudden the property and there was a really
28:14
Speaker 1: nice buck on that property for that time frame, and
28:18
Speaker 1: I was on all the key spot that had always
28:20
Speaker 1: produced and never seen this book. But he's showing up
28:22
Speaker 1: on cameras and the you know, in the fielding areas
28:26
Speaker 1: or mass trees um right after dark. So I knew
28:30
Speaker 1: he was in there, but I couldn't figure out where
28:32
Speaker 1: he was. And I knew if it wasn't seen him,
28:33
Speaker 1: wasn't see him in daylight. And I took that property
28:36
Speaker 1: and and I broke it down into like ten acre squares,
28:42
Speaker 1: and I just I was gonna hunt every square until
28:44
Speaker 1: I got through the property. And I got towards the
28:47
Speaker 1: hand and I and one of the spots that was
28:50
Speaker 1: up to hunt. It was just an open wood lot,
28:53
Speaker 1: and that thought, where are the odds? But I'm gonna
28:55
Speaker 1: give a shot. And I went in there in that book,
28:58
Speaker 1: got up from behind some brush the transition and came
29:01
Speaker 1: to me and I shot it just out of the blue.
29:03
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was there or anything else, and
29:05
Speaker 1: went over there. There's just a beat bet there that
29:07
Speaker 1: I would never found because I would never thought he
29:10
Speaker 1: betted there. So then I started to figure out that
29:13
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you just can't see it. And if
29:16
Speaker 1: you break that property down and grid it like that
29:19
Speaker 1: and go in and force yourself to hunt a new
29:21
Speaker 1: section each time, um, you can find those bucks that
29:25
Speaker 1: are on that property pretty quick. Do you think I'm
29:29
Speaker 1: waiting for that that buck to come to you? You're
29:31
Speaker 1: going to him. And then by doing the tenant or
29:34
Speaker 1: um area and in the best spot, even if he's
29:37
Speaker 1: not in the best spot, you're probably gonna see your
29:40
Speaker 1: hearer sent them if you're in that area and he's
29:42
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, so so when is that kind of
29:46
Speaker 1: approach better than the approach that you mentioned before where
29:50
Speaker 1: you scout during the day for specific sign looking for
29:52
Speaker 1: a certain things. You saw a map and then hunted
29:54
Speaker 1: that or do those two things go hand in hand sometimes?
29:58
Speaker 1: Well they can, they kind of go hand and in
30:00
Speaker 1: but you know, I think my first approach is to
30:04
Speaker 1: go in there and scout those transitions, find the sign
30:06
Speaker 1: hummed on like like I said earlier. But sometimes I
30:10
Speaker 1: struggled with a certain book after a certain animal, and
30:13
Speaker 1: I can't get them through those traditional memes um traditional
30:17
Speaker 1: to me anyways, And that's when I and I decide
30:21
Speaker 1: where I'm going and I'm finding them, um, you know,
30:25
Speaker 1: I'm just hunting them down basically. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense,
30:29
Speaker 1: all right, Andy? What else is on your man? Uh?
30:33
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on some more some more bedding stuff. Um.
30:38
Speaker 1: You know you've talked a lot about, um, like any
30:42
Speaker 1: wind beds, you know, beds that are used in type
30:45
Speaker 1: of any type of wind direction and that wind based beds.
30:48
Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain um, like the differences um
30:52
Speaker 1: that you see in regards to like terrain or examples
30:56
Speaker 1: of where you might find each you know, where they
30:58
Speaker 1: where they might be the most common. And how you
31:01
Speaker 1: are what which one do you think are the most
31:03
Speaker 1: effective to target? Uh, I don't I don't know about
31:09
Speaker 1: one being more effective than the other to target. But UM,
31:13
Speaker 1: the eating wind beds are usually the easiest to hunt
31:16
Speaker 1: because you can get the closest because it's UM. They're
31:18
Speaker 1: usually not site based UM. But you can tell the
31:22
Speaker 1: difference between these beds. I think it's a good topic
31:24
Speaker 1: because we haven't really talked about this a lot in
31:26
Speaker 1: like podcasts or anything. But when you look at a
31:29
Speaker 1: buck bed, it's different than a dough bed because the
31:31
Speaker 1: dose like bed net circle that open area. A buck
31:35
Speaker 1: puts his puts himself, you know, in cover, and he's
31:38
Speaker 1: worried about himself. So when you look at that bed,
31:39
Speaker 1: you're thinking, you know, um, this animal is here so
31:45
Speaker 1: that you can't get near him instead of working as
31:47
Speaker 1: that group. And if you've got a buck who puts
31:50
Speaker 1: his back up against something and he's got an open
31:52
Speaker 1: view the other way, I guarantee that winds coming from
31:56
Speaker 1: the obstacle and he's looking down winding it open. So
32:00
Speaker 1: you can see those UM wind based betting by looking
32:05
Speaker 1: for the opening. You know, if you look in hill
32:08
Speaker 1: countries really, um the big one for for that wind
32:12
Speaker 1: based And if you look at those beds, you can
32:14
Speaker 1: you can see how they put themselves up against a
32:16
Speaker 1: tree or behind the tree, and they looked down the hill,
32:19
Speaker 1: you know, with the wind to the back. Um, you
32:22
Speaker 1: see the same thing. And you know, like a farm country,
32:24
Speaker 1: they'll get up on the edge of a field in
32:26
Speaker 1: bed you know, just ten twenty ft into the cover,
32:29
Speaker 1: but where they can kind of see out into the
32:30
Speaker 1: field or see down a lane into that field. Uh,
32:34
Speaker 1: they'll have that wind to their back. So they're on
32:37
Speaker 1: those um those tree lines looking at the field with
32:42
Speaker 1: the wind to the back. And you know, just a
32:44
Speaker 1: guy that hunts farm if he if he knows that much,
32:47
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to hunt the way the wind hunt.
32:50
Speaker 1: But if you know those box are going to bed
32:53
Speaker 1: on the side that's got the wind coming out of
32:55
Speaker 1: the woods, he does not have to walk into their
32:57
Speaker 1: to their eyesight, you know what I mean. Yeah, on
33:00
Speaker 1: the topic of terrain, do you see any wind beds
33:05
Speaker 1: uh that you know, beds with any wind you uh
33:10
Speaker 1: more common contest on this, but you seem more common
33:12
Speaker 1: in third terrain like swamps. Yeah, swamps and marshes have
33:18
Speaker 1: more the wind based and non won based beds are
33:21
Speaker 1: in every train, but the majority of non wind beds
33:25
Speaker 1: that are good for big bucks are in marshes and swamps,
33:28
Speaker 1: or the majority of wind based beds are in hill country,
33:32
Speaker 1: more foreign country and edges. How about when you find
33:36
Speaker 1: beds down low wind hill country? Do you find those
33:39
Speaker 1: to be more often? Win any wind? That? Where do
33:42
Speaker 1: you find them to be more commonly? I know, usually
33:46
Speaker 1: it depends on the cover. If they're in heavy grass
33:49
Speaker 1: heavy brush, UM, and they don't have a good view,
33:53
Speaker 1: then they're usually any wind. If they're betting on edge
33:57
Speaker 1: looking towards old with thick the back or something to
34:00
Speaker 1: the back, then there in the wind based and you
34:03
Speaker 1: have to go out there just look at it. I
34:04
Speaker 1: mean those low areas, you know, it's all hard to
34:07
Speaker 1: set up. Yeah, that's that's something I've just wondered. Uh,
34:12
Speaker 1: when occasionally I run into deer downlow in the hills,
34:16
Speaker 1: UM less likely to be associated when you're not. It's
34:19
Speaker 1: a big one in U In big woods too, you
34:22
Speaker 1: got where you have those old clear cuts that grow thick.
34:25
Speaker 1: Those big box are usually on the down wind edge
34:28
Speaker 1: to the open woods and they'll look into the open
34:30
Speaker 1: woods from the edge of that where guys think that
34:32
Speaker 1: they're in the middle of that thick area, they're usually not.
34:37
Speaker 1: So you're saying that there they've got the wind blowing
34:40
Speaker 1: from the thick behind their back and they're watching the
34:43
Speaker 1: open woods in front of them right right, and some
34:46
Speaker 1: steps into that open woods, they just slide into the thick.
34:49
Speaker 1: If they smell something or here's something in that thick
34:51
Speaker 1: coming at them, they go out. And then they also,
34:54
Speaker 1: like on that big woods, if there's a terrain feature
34:57
Speaker 1: along that edge is not just a straight long like
35:00
Speaker 1: just one spot where they got a little point of
35:02
Speaker 1: the thick stuff going out, they'll get on on that
35:03
Speaker 1: point so they can see all the way around the
35:06
Speaker 1: point and smell from behind, just like in Hill Country,
35:09
Speaker 1: only it's flat. Yeah. Yeah, So speaking of these different
35:13
Speaker 1: types of betting areas, right in past episodes we've done
35:16
Speaker 1: with you, and then on your past DVD s you've
35:18
Speaker 1: had the Hill Country DVD is talking a lot about
35:21
Speaker 1: the different types of betting situations. There. You've got the
35:23
Speaker 1: Martian Swamp betting areas that we've talked about a lot
35:25
Speaker 1: in the past. We've got a new DVD coming out
35:28
Speaker 1: about farmland hunting. Um, can you talk specifically about that?
35:32
Speaker 1: What types of things? And you alluded to a few
35:34
Speaker 1: things already, but is there anything else when it comes
35:36
Speaker 1: to hunting farmland as far as how you think about
35:39
Speaker 1: their betting, how you hunt to that related to that
35:42
Speaker 1: betting in this specific farm situations. Sure, and I'll give
35:47
Speaker 1: you my taking. I'd like to hear handies on it
35:49
Speaker 1: because I don't know any scott little experience there um
35:53
Speaker 1: and Joe Joe comes from farm farm area to um.
35:56
Speaker 1: But one of the big things I think people misunderstandable
36:01
Speaker 1: farm country is I've learned a lot of it, and
36:04
Speaker 1: it's pretty rare. I find a big buck in the
36:06
Speaker 1: big wood lot in the middle of the farm. The
36:09
Speaker 1: big box usually are on the tree lines. I'm a
36:12
Speaker 1: little brush off to the side. They're out in more
36:14
Speaker 1: of the open areas, in the thick spot that's being overlooked.
36:18
Speaker 1: It's not too often I see him in that big block.
36:20
Speaker 1: If I do seem in that big block, it's that
36:23
Speaker 1: downwind side on the downwind end of that block. So
36:27
Speaker 1: as you see, yeah, I do see that quite a bit. Um.
36:32
Speaker 1: It's like where I hunt uh in Michigan. I'd say
36:35
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good mix of timber and farm land.
36:38
Speaker 1: We do got quite a bit of cover and there's
36:41
Speaker 1: you know, you got your marshes and your slamp stuff.
36:43
Speaker 1: But when I where I'm in uh northern Ohio is
36:49
Speaker 1: like craft fields with little tiny woodlots, and they bed
36:54
Speaker 1: uh exactly how Dan says. Um. You know usually if
36:58
Speaker 1: they if they are in them, um a wood lot,
37:01
Speaker 1: they'll they'll bed right on the edge kind of facing
37:04
Speaker 1: the open ground. Um. And for a lot of years, UM,
37:10
Speaker 1: I would get busted because that's you kind of put
37:12
Speaker 1: the wind in your face and you kind of try
37:13
Speaker 1: to sneak into this little wood lot you know that
37:16
Speaker 1: you think are holding all this deer and there you know,
37:18
Speaker 1: the what I would find after scouting is there be
37:21
Speaker 1: beds right just inside the wood lot, you know before
37:24
Speaker 1: right on the edge of where it kind of you
37:26
Speaker 1: start to get some um some understory of facing the
37:31
Speaker 1: field that I was actually accessing from. And then I
37:33
Speaker 1: also find them in like the edges of hedgerows, like
37:37
Speaker 1: right right at the chip, or like the little drainage um,
37:40
Speaker 1: you know, the little drainage ditches. You know, a whole
37:42
Speaker 1: a little bit of water. They'll be like little curves
37:44
Speaker 1: or little angles and those, and there'll be beds there where,
37:47
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the the combine can't quite hit, you know,
37:51
Speaker 1: right on the edge, so you get these little pockets
37:53
Speaker 1: the cover and what's that doesn't need to be true.
37:57
Speaker 1: They don't need to be true either mentioned that. No, no,
38:01
Speaker 1: not right, not at all. Right, But you watch all
38:05
Speaker 1: the honors go straight with lives. You know. Another thing
38:08
Speaker 1: I've noticed on those farms too, is when they have
38:11
Speaker 1: one access and those hunter is always parking the same spot.
38:14
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest stuff I find is usually set
38:16
Speaker 1: up to watch that access. How long do you think
38:19
Speaker 1: that takes for local bucks to kind of figure that
38:22
Speaker 1: out and start adjusting their betting to watch that? Is
38:24
Speaker 1: that something that can happen like right now? I don't
38:28
Speaker 1: know now long it takes. Um so the time when
38:31
Speaker 1: I run into it, it's it's already been a prolonged thing,
38:35
Speaker 1: you know. Um. I can't think of any place where
38:38
Speaker 1: I'm the one who started hunting their first on the farm.
38:41
Speaker 1: Most of the farms I've been on her shared access.
38:44
Speaker 1: But I go scout properties a lot for people. And
38:47
Speaker 1: that's one thing I look for right away is those
38:50
Speaker 1: bucks that are in that little forgotten spot watching their
38:53
Speaker 1: access and that's usually where I find the biggest stuns. Joe,
38:57
Speaker 1: you didn't get to share your thoughts on on your
39:00
Speaker 1: farm country bedding observations. What would you say there? Yeah,
39:04
Speaker 1: I agree entirely. Sam hunt everything from like ten or
39:10
Speaker 1: cover up to Iowa. So, um, you know, in the
39:15
Speaker 1: areas where covered limited. For one, there's a huge change
39:19
Speaker 1: when the crops come out. I would point out that,
39:21
Speaker 1: and everybody kind of knows that. But you go from
39:24
Speaker 1: a hundred percent cover down to ten you know, um
39:27
Speaker 1: when the corn is picked. But still those small areas,
39:31
Speaker 1: you know, if the grahasses, you know, eight tall, you
39:37
Speaker 1: might find a deer bed in there, and might find
39:39
Speaker 1: a pick buck beded in there, you know, and especially
39:41
Speaker 1: the higher the pressure is, the less likely they are
39:43
Speaker 1: going to bed anywhere there's trees, you know, it's a
39:46
Speaker 1: little you'll find a beded on graph terraces and then
39:51
Speaker 1: you know, drainage sales if the graphs is a tall
39:54
Speaker 1: enough couple weeds or whatever. Um on the ends of
39:57
Speaker 1: Little Senior September far more like Pla. Then the larger
40:02
Speaker 1: degree and another question for dan Um, how do you
40:07
Speaker 1: see frequency of using beds change and farm country do
40:12
Speaker 1: you see for you know, my observation is there seems
40:16
Speaker 1: to be more satellite beds less you know, heavily used
40:20
Speaker 1: primary beds. Bucks might be a little more nomadic. I
40:24
Speaker 1: am not saying they don't have core its and core
40:26
Speaker 1: betting areas. They definitely do, but I'm just curious what
40:29
Speaker 1: your observation has been. I see a lot of core
40:32
Speaker 1: bed and areas, just like I doing other trains. Um,
40:35
Speaker 1: it's a little more nomadic, like you said, but what
40:38
Speaker 1: I see is they don't wear those beds in because
40:40
Speaker 1: they shift around a lot. I think they shift around
40:43
Speaker 1: a lot, and based on the exact wind um. For example,
40:47
Speaker 1: there's a little farmed on the street that I lunched
40:49
Speaker 1: over here my buddy Dave bones. It gets heavy pressure
40:52
Speaker 1: all the way around it, but there's one spot where
40:55
Speaker 1: the bucks that we've killed there come out of. It's
40:57
Speaker 1: obviously the primary betting and no matter what time of
41:00
Speaker 1: the year when we see bucks, that's generally where he
41:03
Speaker 1: come out at of the time. And you go in
41:06
Speaker 1: here and for some of it doesn't have an eye
41:09
Speaker 1: for it, you'd have a hard time seeing those beds
41:13
Speaker 1: and the area is probably in two acres in size,
41:15
Speaker 1: and it's a low density area, but you'd have a
41:18
Speaker 1: hard time notice in those beds. I mean you going
41:19
Speaker 1: there in the snow, you find them because you see
41:22
Speaker 1: exactly where they laid. But I think they're moving a
41:24
Speaker 1: lot based on you know, the thermal and the wind
41:27
Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't think you're in the same bed
41:29
Speaker 1: all day. You know where if you get into steep
41:32
Speaker 1: hill country, you find those warm beds and you think
41:34
Speaker 1: you've gotta made when it might not be used anymore
41:38
Speaker 1: than the ones in farm country. Is just that explaining
41:40
Speaker 1: in that exact same spot because of the wind and
41:42
Speaker 1: thermal need at that spot all day long, So he's
41:45
Speaker 1: not shifting around. Um So I think a lot of
41:49
Speaker 1: times it just looks like it's not being used as much.
41:52
Speaker 1: But I do see in farm country it's a lot
41:55
Speaker 1: harder to see the bedding areas, or in any black
41:57
Speaker 1: ground for that matter, unless it's like swamp or cattails,
42:01
Speaker 1: then you see it better. But any flagground, like like
42:04
Speaker 1: big woods or farm country, it's really hard to find
42:08
Speaker 1: those worn in bits. Yeah, that's that's that's interesting to
42:12
Speaker 1: say that because I hunted a farm once. I don't
42:14
Speaker 1: hunt anymore, but for a number of years it was
42:17
Speaker 1: like a two hundred acre farm and maybe eating fifteen
42:20
Speaker 1: acres a cover total. And of the box that I
42:25
Speaker 1: all the bucks that I saw at least three years
42:28
Speaker 1: of old age. They came out of the top of
42:32
Speaker 1: a skinny draw that was there was at an old
42:35
Speaker 1: farm pond there. Damn had washed out so they retained
42:39
Speaker 1: water anymore. And I grew up in brush, although deer
42:42
Speaker 1: betted on the peril, you know, on the whold banks
42:44
Speaker 1: of that pond, depending on the wind direction, and it
42:47
Speaker 1: was only you know, maybe an acre in size, and
42:51
Speaker 1: every stinking decent bucks that I saw on that two
42:53
Speaker 1: hundred acres came out of that location. It was always amazing,
42:59
Speaker 1: and you couldn't help find bet there. There was a
43:01
Speaker 1: bunch of real life to youth bed but you add
43:02
Speaker 1: up all the real life bets and there was a
43:05
Speaker 1: lot of youth. Is there is there anything specific, Dan
43:09
Speaker 1: that you were that that helps you or someone if
43:12
Speaker 1: someone's listening who doesn't have the eye for when they're
43:14
Speaker 1: looking for these beds in the farm country, that it's
43:17
Speaker 1: not quite as obvious as there might be in hill countries,
43:19
Speaker 1: anything they can be looking for to help find those
43:23
Speaker 1: hard to find spots, you know, the biggest thing in
43:25
Speaker 1: hill country, and it's hard to get the serve of
43:27
Speaker 1: guys that don't have a lot of hunting time. But
43:29
Speaker 1: it's observation. Um, I don't hunt as much as I
43:33
Speaker 1: observe and farm. I'll sit back and watch and the
43:36
Speaker 1: deer get more used to coming out earlier, and you
43:40
Speaker 1: see what's going on, and you're not damaging the property
43:42
Speaker 1: by jumping in here and spooking everything out. You see
43:45
Speaker 1: what's going on. So you know, you're watching area expecting
43:48
Speaker 1: the bok to come out, and all of a sudden
43:49
Speaker 1: you see him from out somewhere's else and now you're like, oh,
43:51
Speaker 1: if I would have went in her, how to spook them?
43:53
Speaker 1: But in foreign country, I think a lot of it's
43:55
Speaker 1: observing and it's uh, you know, watching from a distance
43:58
Speaker 1: and then moving in with us to right. And that's
44:00
Speaker 1: an too because I think, uh, you know, when I
44:03
Speaker 1: actually see a buck make a move and I make
44:05
Speaker 1: a move on him, I think it's a one in
44:06
Speaker 1: four chance I get an opportunity at him by moving
44:09
Speaker 1: in the next day, But it wasn't four odds ain't bad. Yeah,
44:13
Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing. That example that I talked
44:16
Speaker 1: about earlier, that is, you know that that far the
44:19
Speaker 1: oldly reason like that was good ten years ago, and
44:22
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a very good understanding of betting whatsoever.
44:25
Speaker 1: The only reason I knew was a betting area was
44:27
Speaker 1: watching the deer come out of it, because I was
44:28
Speaker 1: set up in other places, and I'll shoot the buck
44:31
Speaker 1: came out of that. I might not be real fast owner,
44:34
Speaker 1: but that's very It's all that a time or two,
44:36
Speaker 1: you know, it was clearly there bet in there nowhere else.
44:42
Speaker 1: I gotta follow up question for dan Um kind of
44:45
Speaker 1: in regards to the farm betting Um. One of the
44:48
Speaker 1: things I struggle with and like my more open areas,
44:51
Speaker 1: I guess is you know, for instance, there's this one piece,
44:55
Speaker 1: uh well, there's a couple of pieces I'm thinking about,
44:57
Speaker 1: but one in general is has very little has a
45:00
Speaker 1: real tiny wood lot, and you know, the big bucks
45:04
Speaker 1: don't really bed in there at all. But it's got
45:07
Speaker 1: some hedgerows coming off and a little drainage dish that
45:12
Speaker 1: comes off that's has real tall, kind of overgrown grass
45:15
Speaker 1: along it, and if you walk the whole piece, you
45:18
Speaker 1: walked every edge, you'll find I don't know, maybe six
45:22
Speaker 1: buck beds, and you know, I have my my thoughts
45:26
Speaker 1: on which ones are the best because they're the most
45:28
Speaker 1: worn and and just kind of make the most sense.
45:30
Speaker 1: But then there, you know, all these other ones that
45:32
Speaker 1: you might call satellite beds or they're less used. Do
45:36
Speaker 1: you what what do you do with those? Because I
45:40
Speaker 1: find like more times than not, like okay, I glass
45:42
Speaker 1: a buck, or I get a picture of a book
45:44
Speaker 1: on this property, I'm like, okay, you know, here's the wind,
45:48
Speaker 1: this is where I think he's gonna be, and you know,
45:51
Speaker 1: I'm speaking into that bed, and it seems like more
45:54
Speaker 1: times than not, I get busted by a deer that's
45:56
Speaker 1: in one of these satellite beds that I kind of help, um,
45:59
Speaker 1: you know, at a lower value, but they're still getting used.
46:03
Speaker 1: I mean, do you systematically kind of hunt those as well,
46:07
Speaker 1: or do you go right or the one that you know?
46:09
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want the satellite, but if I
46:11
Speaker 1: know it's satellite betting and there's smaller books being in
46:13
Speaker 1: those spots, I don't worry about them. I try not
46:18
Speaker 1: to spook them. If there's a way I can get
46:19
Speaker 1: into without spooking, I do it. But if I have
46:22
Speaker 1: to spook, my spook them. And one thing I do
46:24
Speaker 1: is I go in early. Um. I think if you
46:27
Speaker 1: spook younger deer early in today the book is less
46:31
Speaker 1: likely to get up and run off. If it's more
46:33
Speaker 1: towards the evening, when he's more alert and getting up anyways,
46:37
Speaker 1: I think he's more likely to get the bust out
46:39
Speaker 1: of there. And uh, there's some credits to that in
46:42
Speaker 1: my observations too, So I think that's working. Um. But
46:46
Speaker 1: I've kicked up plenty of deer where they've ran right
46:49
Speaker 1: through the bed arry and you think, damn it, you know,
46:52
Speaker 1: and I set up anyways, and I've had the big
46:54
Speaker 1: buck get up right where that bucket run through and
46:56
Speaker 1: come to me. But I've also had times when you
46:59
Speaker 1: I've seen them run through there in the in the
47:01
Speaker 1: big buck get up and run with them. So it's
47:04
Speaker 1: not what you want to do, um, but you might
47:08
Speaker 1: have to. You don't kick a deer or two to
47:10
Speaker 1: get in there. It's just part of it. Mm hmmm. Um.
47:15
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on this too. So
47:18
Speaker 1: I founded both and I've seen some pretty significant differences
47:23
Speaker 1: between the two, but really high deer density areas versus
47:28
Speaker 1: really low deer density areas. So my open area that
47:31
Speaker 1: I hunt is really low, low deer density, UM, not
47:35
Speaker 1: much cover for deer, very low numbers. You'll get skunks
47:38
Speaker 1: nine out of ten times. But when you do see
47:40
Speaker 1: a you know, a buckets typically a good one. But
47:43
Speaker 1: what I what I see is as much later movement.
47:46
Speaker 1: I'm talking about outside the rut here. So let's talk
47:49
Speaker 1: about like, you know, kind of early season through mid October,
47:53
Speaker 1: but I see much later movement, um, you know, with
47:57
Speaker 1: the lower deer density. UM. Kind of really okay, you're
48:03
Speaker 1: seeing the higher density, and I was like, I'm seeing
48:05
Speaker 1: the opposite. I'm seeing the same thing you're seeing. Okay, yeah,
48:08
Speaker 1: and the high deer density is what I'm seeing is
48:10
Speaker 1: much earlier movement, even by the mature deer. But what
48:14
Speaker 1: it makes it this cult is all the influx of
48:17
Speaker 1: other deer that are moving by you or past you,
48:20
Speaker 1: are all around you, and then it's like you spook
48:23
Speaker 1: one of them. It's like a domino effect, you know,
48:25
Speaker 1: and it just kind of sets and it just kind
48:29
Speaker 1: of sets them all off, and they all end up
48:30
Speaker 1: running back. So I find difficulty in both situations. But
48:34
Speaker 1: is that kind of like what you see too? Yeah,
48:36
Speaker 1: I see that a lot too. Uh, I do see
48:38
Speaker 1: that like Uh. I think it's maybe the younger deer
48:40
Speaker 1: getting moving around to get the bigger books up with
48:42
Speaker 1: the higher density. Even outside of the road, you seem
48:45
Speaker 1: to get the bigger buck movement earlier. Um. Yeah. And
48:50
Speaker 1: for me, I think if I think back my my
48:54
Speaker 1: younger days, I had a lot of problems with those
48:56
Speaker 1: deer coming and spooking um, the early arrivals and spooking
49:01
Speaker 1: the buck on me. It doesn't happen as much anymore.
49:04
Speaker 1: And I think it's because I'm setting up better and
49:06
Speaker 1: wiser and h taking into effect. You know, when I
49:10
Speaker 1: go in an area and I look to set up,
49:11
Speaker 1: I'm really easing in there. And most of the time
49:14
Speaker 1: I don't have a set tree. You know, there's a
49:18
Speaker 1: there's some occasions where there's one tree you gotta be
49:20
Speaker 1: and we all know that. WHI there's a lot of
49:22
Speaker 1: places where there's several trees you'd be in and I'm
49:25
Speaker 1: basing it on that the exact wind that day, or
49:28
Speaker 1: you know, or where I think the thermal is gonna
49:30
Speaker 1: pull or that kind of thing something without walking on
49:33
Speaker 1: the trails and stuff, and I get busted a lot
49:35
Speaker 1: less by those uh other deer coming through. It still happens,
49:38
Speaker 1: and uh sometimes it's just down right hard to get
49:41
Speaker 1: in without spooking the younger deer. But on the other hand,
49:46
Speaker 1: even the spots that are really difficult, I think if
49:50
Speaker 1: you're after a certain animal, I think you've gotta go
49:52
Speaker 1: and hunt those spots or that big buckle just smull
49:55
Speaker 1: up in there and you'll never go you know what
49:57
Speaker 1: I mean, You have to you have to throw all
49:59
Speaker 1: stand up. I heard you talk in in in some
50:02
Speaker 1: review video I think maybe was that same video I
50:04
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier you were talking about how, at least in
50:07
Speaker 1: this situation you were mentioning how you don't like to
50:10
Speaker 1: do the systematic you know, okay hunting here today and
50:14
Speaker 1: then get a little bit closer the next time, a
50:15
Speaker 1: little bit closer, the next time, a little bit closer
50:17
Speaker 1: the next time. You mentioned how you prefer to either
50:20
Speaker 1: observe from far back or just go right right for
50:22
Speaker 1: the kill. Um, is that is that right? And then
50:25
Speaker 1: can you can you elaborate on that a little bit?
50:27
Speaker 1: I think that's to relate to what we're talking about
50:28
Speaker 1: here a little bit. Yeah, I I totally agree with that. UM.
50:33
Speaker 1: I think if you kind of um uh as people say,
50:37
Speaker 1: hunt your way in. UM. If you if you do
50:40
Speaker 1: that on a buck bed and you you know, you
50:45
Speaker 1: spot and then you move up a hundred yards or something,
50:47
Speaker 1: it's like to me part of my friends was slapping
50:50
Speaker 1: him on the ass and saying, game on. You know,
50:52
Speaker 1: you tell them you're hunting them. UM. I used the
50:56
Speaker 1: term hunt my way in. I probably should refrain from
50:59
Speaker 1: saying in that, but I'm certain areas that are narrow
51:02
Speaker 1: sometimes I hunt my way in, but I'm hunt a
51:03
Speaker 1: different binary every day. You know what I mean? To
51:05
Speaker 1: hunt warm bedinry and to ease your way in. I
51:08
Speaker 1: think you're telling them you're hunting umber. And one thing
51:12
Speaker 1: about a mature buck. If you want to kill him,
51:14
Speaker 1: you want to catch him by sure, in utter surprise.
51:18
Speaker 1: You don't want him to know he's being hunted, or
51:20
Speaker 1: he'll become real nocturnal, real cagey, and real hard to kill.
51:25
Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense. Yeah, Dan, I got
51:30
Speaker 1: a question for you, UM related to difficulty of hunting. UM,
51:35
Speaker 1: do you find um, which of these two situations. Do
51:41
Speaker 1: you find harder to hunt small private parcels that might
51:46
Speaker 1: have a few more mature bucks running around, or large
51:51
Speaker 1: public parcels with you know, less good bucks, more hunting,
51:55
Speaker 1: fresh air, but a lot more room to maneuver. Well, well,
51:59
Speaker 1: obviously there's a lot of cash. Twenty two is to
52:01
Speaker 1: that question. But I guess generally, generally, I would say
52:06
Speaker 1: the bigger property, um, because I can hunt that animal
52:09
Speaker 1: down without the worry of kicking him off the property. Um.
52:14
Speaker 1: I've got information on like like those like those suburban
52:17
Speaker 1: areas where you got five acres or something. It's like, really,
52:20
Speaker 1: you got one spot you can hunt? You don't to me,
52:22
Speaker 1: that's one hunt, you know. Um, But those bigger properties, um,
52:26
Speaker 1: you know that the property by me, I mean it's uh,
52:28
Speaker 1: the one right behind my house is like I think
52:31
Speaker 1: it's close to three thousand acres of swamp and I
52:36
Speaker 1: can probably near a dunt of twelve spots that a
52:39
Speaker 1: giant bucklebean, if he's in the swamp, he'll be one
52:41
Speaker 1: of those twelve spots. Um. There's a lot more better
52:44
Speaker 1: areas than that. But the mature box seem to take
52:46
Speaker 1: these core, you know, primary areas over and uh, you know,
52:52
Speaker 1: you know, then you can can't hunt down here. If
52:54
Speaker 1: I got a spot, I can't hunt. I can't get
52:57
Speaker 1: in here and kill that deer. I mean it's just
52:59
Speaker 1: two and possibly can't get by a quiet you know
53:02
Speaker 1: you've got a bulletproof set up. I'll just go into
53:05
Speaker 1: walk in your and kick him out and then hold
53:06
Speaker 1: them in one of the other spots. Um, I'll walk
53:09
Speaker 1: through there to three days in rows so he doesn't
53:10
Speaker 1: want to bed there. Um. But you can't do that
53:13
Speaker 1: in the small properties. You really got to act, you know,
53:16
Speaker 1: light footed and go and you know at the right time.
53:19
Speaker 1: I think it's really about timing if you've got a
53:21
Speaker 1: small property. Yeah, okay, hey Dan, Um, So you've talked
53:26
Speaker 1: about you know, obviously you're focus and I guess all
53:30
Speaker 1: of our focus we all would you know, ideally want
53:32
Speaker 1: to kill that five and six year old bucks. But
53:36
Speaker 1: there's times, you know, in places maybe where we lower
53:40
Speaker 1: our standards a little bit, at least I know I do.
53:42
Speaker 1: And you've talked about it, Um, can you share some
53:45
Speaker 1: of those places or times where you know it might
53:49
Speaker 1: be a situation where you lower your standards a little bit? Um?
53:53
Speaker 1: And why you why you might do that. Well, I
53:56
Speaker 1: do them public land a little bit, especially if I
54:00
Speaker 1: if I don't have any leaves on something really big.
54:02
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm on something big, I'm not shooting
54:03
Speaker 1: nothing little. Um. But um, you know, um, I've killed
54:09
Speaker 1: two year old bucks out here that are and uh,
54:13
Speaker 1: that's a big buck to most people. You know. Um,
54:15
Speaker 1: And it's nice to me. But I see a lot
54:19
Speaker 1: of people. I'm changing your question a little here, but
54:22
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people. You know, they want
54:26
Speaker 1: to kill a deer. They want to be a big
54:29
Speaker 1: buck hunter, but they want to kill a deer so
54:31
Speaker 1: to get into these bad habits of hunting deer. And
54:34
Speaker 1: for me, no matter what your what your standard is,
54:38
Speaker 1: you've got to target mature bucks in order to kill
54:41
Speaker 1: mature bucks. I mean, you can target little bucks and
54:44
Speaker 1: you'll kill little bucks, but you're can killing big bucks.
54:46
Speaker 1: Targeting little bucks you have to get lucky. But you
54:49
Speaker 1: can hut big bucks and still get a little I
54:52
Speaker 1: don't mean little, but I mean you know, like a
54:54
Speaker 1: nice two year old or three year old. You can
54:57
Speaker 1: get those by you know, hunting dollars. But you're not
55:00
Speaker 1: gonna kill ma sture bucks unless you hunt the sure,
55:02
Speaker 1: bucks just a different animal. Yeah right, yeah, and that
55:09
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good question. The um, they
55:14
Speaker 1: you got this younger, newer hunter who wants to do that,
55:19
Speaker 1: but they don't have necessarily many year under their belt
55:24
Speaker 1: at all. At what point is there any advice you
55:27
Speaker 1: can give them? How do they know when they're ready to,
55:31
Speaker 1: you know, go after a big buck versus I mean, yeah,
55:34
Speaker 1: it's all well and good to hold out their big buck,
55:36
Speaker 1: but if they're easy tag soup every year and not
55:38
Speaker 1: getting any experience making the kill, which we all know
55:41
Speaker 1: is really important. You know, I would ever tell somebody
55:44
Speaker 1: how to hunt or what to do or how they
55:47
Speaker 1: should be. But I would recommend that young hunters that
55:50
Speaker 1: want to be good buck hunters don't pass your biggest
55:54
Speaker 1: book because you see that a little bit. You don't
55:57
Speaker 1: where guys a little buck goal because they think they
55:59
Speaker 1: got to do better because your friends are doing better
56:01
Speaker 1: or something. If your biggest buck, I'd never I'd never
56:04
Speaker 1: recommend somebody let that go. You gotta get some killing
56:06
Speaker 1: under your belt in order to be a good hunter.
56:09
Speaker 1: And I've noticed that a lot of the newer generations
56:11
Speaker 1: starting out nowadays. Uh, um, they're trying to hold out
56:14
Speaker 1: for big bucks, and they're talking like they're big buck
56:17
Speaker 1: hunters before they're killing anything, and I think they're missing
56:20
Speaker 1: out on a lot of the hunting. I mean, all
56:23
Speaker 1: the guys I know that are great hunters, and you
56:25
Speaker 1: can time to come wrong with you guys, Joe and Andy,
56:29
Speaker 1: but all the guys I know that are great hunters
56:31
Speaker 1: like us. And I don't know where you started, but
56:34
Speaker 1: you probably started like I did, telling a lot of deer.
56:37
Speaker 1: That's what made us who we are, and then we
56:41
Speaker 1: started slowly adapting into the big box. And I think
56:45
Speaker 1: these younger people want to start out right away killing
56:47
Speaker 1: big bucks. And you've gotta learn how to kill animals
56:49
Speaker 1: and what to do when the deer walks by, and
56:51
Speaker 1: how to act win to pull a ball, and all
56:54
Speaker 1: that stuff that you really can't learn reading about we're
56:57
Speaker 1: hearing about you have to go do and trying to
57:00
Speaker 1: learn how to kill a big buck is not only
57:02
Speaker 1: standing underneath your spand yeah, yeah, that's definitely. I mean
57:08
Speaker 1: my first buck with another and then I shot a
57:10
Speaker 1: four core, and you know, and then I shot a
57:12
Speaker 1: couple more little bucks, and then I shot four or
57:14
Speaker 1: five two year old and you know, it was a
57:16
Speaker 1: while before you know, and and the you know, i'nfortunate
57:20
Speaker 1: to live in a state you know, in Iowa that
57:22
Speaker 1: you know most how dream about and the most the
57:26
Speaker 1: bast I don't know. The first gunman, Big Bucks that
57:29
Speaker 1: I saw, I didn't have a chance in hell killing him.
57:33
Speaker 1: You know, I was a rap. All right. We need
57:37
Speaker 1: to take another quick break here, this time to think
57:40
Speaker 1: our partners at White Tailed Properties, and today I want
57:43
Speaker 1: to plug another one of their land Beat YouTube videos
57:46
Speaker 1: that I think many of you are going to find helpful.
57:48
Speaker 1: This one similar to the last video I mentioned a
57:51
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, which features again my friend Ben
57:54
Speaker 1: Harshein discussing habitat and terrain funnels. And again here he
57:58
Speaker 1: uses maps and drone footage and on the ground tour
58:02
Speaker 1: to help you see exactly what these pinch points look like.
58:05
Speaker 1: So he just describes a different couple examples in this
58:08
Speaker 1: video which help out in addition to what he shared
58:10
Speaker 1: in the last one. This episode is titled identifying Funnels
58:14
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58:17
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58:20
Speaker 1: great visualization to help you understand how to identify these
58:23
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58:27
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58:40
Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of speaking of newer hunters, um and some
58:45
Speaker 1: of the mistakes or some of the things we're seeing
58:46
Speaker 1: them do. What about this, Dan, I imagine you've seen
58:50
Speaker 1: a lot of people come through the Hunting Beast forum
58:53
Speaker 1: and read about what you guys are doing and start
58:55
Speaker 1: trying it themselves, and they're sharing their experiences on the
58:58
Speaker 1: forum talking about their and see after you year, when
59:01
Speaker 1: you read about all the other guys that are trying
59:04
Speaker 1: to hunt this kind of quote unquote beast style, what's
59:07
Speaker 1: the what's the biggest mistake or what do you still
59:09
Speaker 1: see these people doing wrong? Um? Time after time. I
59:14
Speaker 1: think they think it's too easy. I think they think
59:16
Speaker 1: they're gonna go out there, learn to sing in a
59:18
Speaker 1: season and start killing huge books instantly, like they're reading
59:22
Speaker 1: a manual on how to do it. UM. I think
59:26
Speaker 1: usually if I watched the readers are watched the guys
59:29
Speaker 1: that come onto the Beast, you see probably maybe more
59:34
Speaker 1: than maybe seventy five percent of them stick around for
59:37
Speaker 1: about a year and you don't hear from again. The
59:39
Speaker 1: ones that stick around, you don't really see that success
59:42
Speaker 1: until they've been doing it about three years. And you
59:45
Speaker 1: always see a cocky, arrogant attitude that they're gonna kill
59:49
Speaker 1: these books, that they they found these great bed in
59:51
Speaker 1: areas and they're gonna go out and do it that
59:53
Speaker 1: first year and they've gotta get slapped in the face
59:55
Speaker 1: and and learn that it takes a little more and
59:57
Speaker 1: find it one or two good bed in areas to
59:59
Speaker 1: do it, and they gotta get pumbled and then come
1:00:03
Speaker 1: back up, rise up, and try hard and not give up.
1:00:06
Speaker 1: And I see these guys, um just you can withstand
1:00:10
Speaker 1: that first to or three years. They get to be
1:00:12
Speaker 1: great hunters after that. Well, you guys think you guys
1:00:16
Speaker 1: are watching the guys in the Beast. Yeah, i'd have
1:00:19
Speaker 1: to I'd have to agree. It's a um you know,
1:00:22
Speaker 1: any time any time you're killing deer, like by focusing
1:00:28
Speaker 1: on their beds and zeering down on your on their
1:00:30
Speaker 1: bedding area. Yeah, like you mentioned in in some of
1:00:35
Speaker 1: your earlier DVDs, Like you gotta put in so much
1:00:39
Speaker 1: time scouting and find so many of the type of
1:00:45
Speaker 1: beds and the type of set ups and situations that
1:00:49
Speaker 1: you're looking for that you're trying to fill a whole
1:00:51
Speaker 1: season with um. So like you know, you can't. You
1:00:55
Speaker 1: can't go and and scout and find four beds and
1:00:58
Speaker 1: you know, think you're gonna knock down couple of big
1:01:00
Speaker 1: ones next year. I mean you literally, I think you
1:01:03
Speaker 1: you've you you mentioned that you have more beds that
1:01:07
Speaker 1: you've scouted. You know that you could probably hunt in
1:01:09
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. But you know, it's it
1:01:12
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work to kind of build up
1:01:13
Speaker 1: that that library of setups and places where you can
1:01:18
Speaker 1: kind of fall back on as you you know, like
1:01:21
Speaker 1: you said, you you hunt and you you don't see anything.
1:01:24
Speaker 1: You know, you hunt, you know, maybe a seven or
1:01:27
Speaker 1: eight days straight without seeing a single deer, but you
1:01:29
Speaker 1: all saw you always have that next spot to kind
1:01:32
Speaker 1: of fall back on due to your scouting and the
1:01:34
Speaker 1: amount of time and work you put in. So it's
1:01:37
Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart, and it's not for
1:01:40
Speaker 1: the type of person that uh you know is it
1:01:44
Speaker 1: is not ready to kind of commit um commit to it.
1:01:47
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think guys that maybe can't
1:01:50
Speaker 1: put in as much time can still find some value
1:01:54
Speaker 1: um in the in that type of hunting, because you
1:01:58
Speaker 1: know they might have some some you know, promising setups
1:02:02
Speaker 1: and betting areas in areas that they hunt that they
1:02:04
Speaker 1: could focus on. But if you're gonna be a consistent
1:02:07
Speaker 1: hunter focusing on buck betting, it really takes a lot
1:02:11
Speaker 1: of commitment and a lot of work in that off
1:02:14
Speaker 1: season really finding high volume, high numbers of these. At
1:02:18
Speaker 1: least for me it does, because you know, I tend
1:02:20
Speaker 1: to I screw up a lot with it, for sure,
1:02:23
Speaker 1: But you know, you keep you keep at it, You
1:02:25
Speaker 1: keep fine tuning your setup and your knowledge base. You
1:02:28
Speaker 1: just get a little bit better at it each time,
1:02:30
Speaker 1: and you kind of you kind of figure out what
1:02:33
Speaker 1: you can get away with, you know, a little, I
1:02:34
Speaker 1: get a little closer than this, right, you know that's
1:02:36
Speaker 1: a little too, you know, I need to back off
1:02:38
Speaker 1: a little. All those things come with experience, and it
1:02:42
Speaker 1: takes time. Yeah, I think, Dan, what you just what
1:02:45
Speaker 1: you described as far as an average timeline, and everybody's different,
1:02:50
Speaker 1: and ever how much time you spending on it and
1:02:52
Speaker 1: different too, but you know, three to five years. Yeah,
1:02:56
Speaker 1: it's the three to five year investment before you think,
1:02:59
Speaker 1: before you there's any chance you think you're you're kind
1:03:03
Speaker 1: of you know, you know what you're doing. I guess
1:03:05
Speaker 1: in turns of target and hunting, and but you know,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: I don't. There's lots of times all of us can't
1:03:10
Speaker 1: figure it out. You know that there's a lot to
1:03:14
Speaker 1: to where um, maybe you guys can relate with me,
1:03:17
Speaker 1: But I can go out there and look at something
1:03:19
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to put it in words,
1:03:22
Speaker 1: but I can look at them say this is gonna
1:03:24
Speaker 1: be good, or this you don't suck. But it's really
1:03:27
Speaker 1: hard to teach it to people how to look at
1:03:30
Speaker 1: something like that three or five years of investment. That's
1:03:33
Speaker 1: what it takes. You know, Like, like you get the question,
1:03:36
Speaker 1: how do you know where to set up that? You know,
1:03:39
Speaker 1: how do you answer that question? You know you can't,
1:03:42
Speaker 1: you can't. You know, you can give up some general
1:03:44
Speaker 1: rules that like you know, some place somewhere, you know
1:03:49
Speaker 1: you might not be able to get within a hundred
1:03:50
Speaker 1: yards of a bed. In another place, you might be
1:03:52
Speaker 1: able to get forty yards from it, you know, right, yeah,
1:03:56
Speaker 1: it all it all comes back to like you might
1:04:00
Speaker 1: in in you know, like Dan you said, you have
1:04:02
Speaker 1: trouble putting those situations into words. It's because like all
1:04:06
Speaker 1: of your experiences, you know, whether we even realize it
1:04:10
Speaker 1: or not, it's it's always like fine tuning our judgment. Right,
1:04:13
Speaker 1: So let me get into these situations where like, okay,
1:04:17
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're almost subconsciously you know, I've been
1:04:20
Speaker 1: through this before. I've been through this situation and this
1:04:23
Speaker 1: worked and this didn't, and this was too much and
1:04:25
Speaker 1: this was just enough. And you're you're always fine tuning
1:04:27
Speaker 1: your judgment, and over time, with a lot of experience,
1:04:31
Speaker 1: you just start making the right call more often, you know,
1:04:34
Speaker 1: just almost like um, you know, without even really a
1:04:39
Speaker 1: whole lot of thought, you just feel it. You know,
1:04:41
Speaker 1: you feel it because you've been there before and you've
1:04:43
Speaker 1: made the mistakes right. And I would say that time,
1:04:49
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, if someone doesn't have time, they don't
1:04:52
Speaker 1: have time, But don't I feel bad for the people
1:04:55
Speaker 1: that just kind of oh it takes that much time
1:04:58
Speaker 1: and they lose interest and they wander off. Is to me,
1:05:00
Speaker 1: that's the fun fire, you know, it's the journey you
1:05:04
Speaker 1: know it. Um, I don't know, maybe a large, a
1:05:08
Speaker 1: little different, but that's that's what I love is you know,
1:05:10
Speaker 1: figure and stuff out and yeah you're gonna screw up.
1:05:13
Speaker 1: You're gonna start screwing out, screwing up nine percent at
1:05:17
Speaker 1: the time, and then you're only gonna screw up percent
1:05:20
Speaker 1: at the time. You know. Yeah, it's fun, you know. Um.
1:05:26
Speaker 1: I think a big part of it too is uh,
1:05:30
Speaker 1: blending what they're doing with what we're doing and not
1:05:33
Speaker 1: jumping in a because I mean, if they're already killing
1:05:35
Speaker 1: some deer and then you jump in full boat and
1:05:38
Speaker 1: they see a decline, and I think that's what pushes
1:05:41
Speaker 1: a lot of people away from it. But if you
1:05:43
Speaker 1: just start learning how they bed and started putting that
1:05:46
Speaker 1: into the style you're hunting and slowly go into it,
1:05:48
Speaker 1: I think you'll have more success and it'll just take
1:05:50
Speaker 1: longer to get a full boat to where we're at.
1:05:53
Speaker 1: We talked about like, okay, beginners, most common mistakes, what's
1:05:58
Speaker 1: what's the d infalts most the mistakes, and like what
1:06:01
Speaker 1: in your opinion, I know you're you kind of said,
1:06:03
Speaker 1: you know, maybe your skill level is kind of tapered
1:06:06
Speaker 1: off the last few years because you know, maybe the
1:06:09
Speaker 1: drive isn't quite there. But what would take Dan Infult
1:06:11
Speaker 1: to the next level? What do you what? What could
1:06:13
Speaker 1: you improve on? I think, Um, you know, I'm always
1:06:18
Speaker 1: analyzing um my haunts and uh my seasons and stuff.
1:06:22
Speaker 1: Um that's just a natural part of me. And my
1:06:25
Speaker 1: analyzation of this last season was I didn't shoot enough,
1:06:28
Speaker 1: I didn't practice enough, and I blew a lot of opportunities.
1:06:32
Speaker 1: I think I gotta focus on my practice a little more.
1:06:34
Speaker 1: I think I need to focus on scouting a little
1:06:37
Speaker 1: more for myself instead others. If I want to be
1:06:39
Speaker 1: more successful. I think I don't put the time in
1:06:43
Speaker 1: that I used to, either shooting or scouting. I think
1:06:46
Speaker 1: last year I had four or five opportunities and I
1:06:49
Speaker 1: blew every one of them. Do you have like a
1:06:52
Speaker 1: specific game plan as far as how to address that.
1:06:54
Speaker 1: Is it just quantity of practice or do you need
1:06:57
Speaker 1: to Are you changing anything else? As far as I
1:07:00
Speaker 1: am changing something up this year, Um, I'm finding that
1:07:04
Speaker 1: my judgment is getting worse. Um where I'm not judging
1:07:07
Speaker 1: my shot distance. I used to just use one pin
1:07:10
Speaker 1: in a rangelind or anything. And I'm gonna go with
1:07:12
Speaker 1: adjustable pin. This you're in a rangefinder for the first time. Okay,
1:07:20
Speaker 1: and then we're about scouting. You mentioned maybe you need
1:07:22
Speaker 1: to scout some more, and we're alluding to this a
1:07:25
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, just about how much work it takes
1:07:27
Speaker 1: to find enough places two hunt in this kind of
1:07:30
Speaker 1: way because you're going from betting area to betting area
1:07:32
Speaker 1: and you might blow it up. Um. I think we
1:07:35
Speaker 1: hear that a lot, but sometimes newer people don't really
1:07:37
Speaker 1: know what that actual. You know exactly how much that is.
1:07:40
Speaker 1: So what's like the ballpark number that maybe you typically
1:07:43
Speaker 1: go into a season with Danny? Do you have like
1:07:45
Speaker 1: forty beds? Do you have two beds? I mean, what
1:07:47
Speaker 1: what should a new guy be thinking? I have no
1:07:50
Speaker 1: idea account wise. I mean, there's hundreds and thousands of
1:07:53
Speaker 1: much guess would blow the way out of the park.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: But um, it's not really about how many bed in areas.
1:08:00
Speaker 1: I know I already got that stuff down me personally.
1:08:04
Speaker 1: When I'm scouting right now, I'm looking for bucks I
1:08:07
Speaker 1: learned because I'm a low buck density area, so I
1:08:10
Speaker 1: want to know where those maketure bucks are so I
1:08:11
Speaker 1: know where to go after certain animals. So that's a
1:08:14
Speaker 1: scouting I need to personally, uh key and on. But
1:08:18
Speaker 1: for other people, I think you need to find as
1:08:20
Speaker 1: many buck betting areas as you can and have set
1:08:24
Speaker 1: ups on them, and then you know, you need to
1:08:27
Speaker 1: monitor those areas and see when there's a buccan area
1:08:29
Speaker 1: to go in to hunt. I mean we rubb lines
1:08:31
Speaker 1: open up when you when you see one out of
1:08:34
Speaker 1: a window that you know the area. Okay, if I'm
1:08:36
Speaker 1: seeing a buck here, you know, and it's a month
1:08:39
Speaker 1: season and I'm seeing him in a field just before dark,
1:08:42
Speaker 1: where is he coming from? And uh that kind of stuff,
1:08:45
Speaker 1: and you already know the area already, have it scouted?
1:08:48
Speaker 1: Um for got it just has you know, and buck
1:08:52
Speaker 1: betting areas scouted. It doesn't know a lot about them.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: That it gets pretty tough. And I think a younger
1:08:57
Speaker 1: guy or aknewer guy UM should probably concentrate on one
1:09:01
Speaker 1: property and learn all the bet in that one property first,
1:09:04
Speaker 1: because it's easier to hunt on a property then it
1:09:07
Speaker 1: is to hunt one spot on each property because there's
1:09:10
Speaker 1: a good odds to box in some other spot. But
1:09:13
Speaker 1: if there's a buck on that property and you hunt
1:09:14
Speaker 1: that property down, you're you're more likely to kill. Yeah,
1:09:19
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. Dan. That was I
1:09:21
Speaker 1: had needed to ask you was if you recommend how
1:09:24
Speaker 1: you recommend it, somebody start, you know, start and folks
1:09:27
Speaker 1: learn something really well or spread yourself out. You answer that, thanks, Say, Dan,
1:09:34
Speaker 1: you talked about monitoring these different betting years. Then once
1:09:36
Speaker 1: you find them. One of the ways that I think
1:09:39
Speaker 1: some people think about monitoring a betting area or a
1:09:42
Speaker 1: region of a property is with trail cameras. But I
1:09:44
Speaker 1: heard you talk about last year at least how trail
1:09:47
Speaker 1: cameras maybe misled you a little bit in that way. Um,
1:09:51
Speaker 1: is that something that you see happen more often the
1:09:53
Speaker 1: trail cameras out of hurting you more than they help
1:09:55
Speaker 1: you in some cases, or or is there a certain
1:09:57
Speaker 1: way we should be thinking about and make sure they
1:09:59
Speaker 1: don't well. Cameras can be your best friend or your
1:10:02
Speaker 1: worst enemy. Um. Do you find people that get addicted
1:10:05
Speaker 1: to them things in or to putting them in places
1:10:07
Speaker 1: they shouldn't, then you're checking them all the time, um,
1:10:11
Speaker 1: you know, or there, or they got them in a
1:10:13
Speaker 1: spot where they really couldn't kill something anyways, and then
1:10:16
Speaker 1: they're every time they see something under to change your
1:10:18
Speaker 1: whole game plan towards it. I think the best thing
1:10:21
Speaker 1: you can do with the trail cameras. Have you got
1:10:22
Speaker 1: a bed in area or a rub line that comes
1:10:24
Speaker 1: out of a bed area and it's a hundred yards
1:10:26
Speaker 1: back or somewhere a couple hundred yards back, and maybe
1:10:29
Speaker 1: to have a camera there, um, But I really wouldn't
1:10:33
Speaker 1: recommend having them where you hunt, unless it's the email
1:10:36
Speaker 1: type that email you the picture. And even then I
1:10:39
Speaker 1: put it their way in advance. Yeah, yeah, you gotta,
1:10:44
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta get the intel and and use
1:10:47
Speaker 1: that intael for something. I think a lot of the
1:10:49
Speaker 1: ways I like to use trail cameras is to put
1:10:51
Speaker 1: them on a food source, um, always away from betting
1:10:55
Speaker 1: where it has no impact in the bedding at all,
1:10:57
Speaker 1: and just know it's there's a big buck in that
1:10:59
Speaker 1: area and that woods, and then I know the betting
1:11:02
Speaker 1: I can go after him. But I think a lot
1:11:04
Speaker 1: of the younger people or newer people to this uh,
1:11:07
Speaker 1: to this way of hunting, I have to build their
1:11:10
Speaker 1: confidence up and they have to believe that there's a
1:11:12
Speaker 1: buck in that betting here, and that's why they put
1:11:14
Speaker 1: those cameras so close, but I think that's hurting number. Uh.
1:11:18
Speaker 1: Holy those deer get to be you know, four years
1:11:21
Speaker 1: old or older and pressured land without knowing that game.
1:11:25
Speaker 1: When somebody walks inplace, they know I don't go there
1:11:27
Speaker 1: tomorrow and daylight. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Andy, Andy,
1:11:33
Speaker 1: what we're gonna say there? Before I interrupted you, Oh,
1:11:36
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask Dan, what what type of terrain
1:11:40
Speaker 1: or habitat do you find the most difficult for you
1:11:43
Speaker 1: to hunt? Um? H hill country probably Um you get
1:11:52
Speaker 1: you have a hard time getting close enough. You know,
1:11:54
Speaker 1: you get below you into normal rise and you get
1:11:56
Speaker 1: a ball, you get the wind blowing at him. So
1:11:58
Speaker 1: you gotta find that little niche to get on them.
1:12:00
Speaker 1: And it's not that I find it really difficult to
1:12:03
Speaker 1: hunt it. It's just it's it's a struggle, you know,
1:12:05
Speaker 1: and kind of like it's a little more challenging to me.
1:12:10
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's funner, but it is a little more challenging
1:12:14
Speaker 1: to get within that window of killing gear. Um. All
1:12:17
Speaker 1: the rest of the drains, I think that I get closer.
1:12:21
Speaker 1: Is there a certain type of hills that we've we've
1:12:24
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this other places, certain type
1:12:27
Speaker 1: of hills that you find the most difficult. You know,
1:12:29
Speaker 1: they range from you know, you have big, great, big
1:12:32
Speaker 1: steep bluffs in that gentle rolling hill. Um, yeah, for sure,
1:12:36
Speaker 1: the rolling hills are much harder. The rolling hills are
1:12:39
Speaker 1: much harder, and especially for scouting, just finding the betting
1:12:45
Speaker 1: areas in those rolling hills is tough because, um, in
1:12:49
Speaker 1: the steep bluffs, they're right at the point where that
1:12:52
Speaker 1: thermal wind meat and a worn in you know, you
1:12:55
Speaker 1: can seem really well. But in those rolling hills, um,
1:12:59
Speaker 1: they're instantly shift in their beds, so it's hard to tell,
1:13:03
Speaker 1: you know, if you've been bedding or a lot. You know. Yeah,
1:13:08
Speaker 1: that's what I've seen too. And the deepest hills that's
1:13:10
Speaker 1: where I find the heaviest, most you know, um defined
1:13:14
Speaker 1: bet because it's flat out there's less options, I think,
1:13:18
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Another betting question that I that I've
1:13:23
Speaker 1: wanted to get a little bit more from you on
1:13:25
Speaker 1: Dan is just how betting might change throughout the year.
1:13:27
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk a little bit about how it
1:13:29
Speaker 1: transitions from early season to late season in different types
1:13:33
Speaker 1: of terrain, but can you can you talk about that
1:13:35
Speaker 1: a little bit, how that might change and like a
1:13:36
Speaker 1: hill country situation versus a swamp or farm country type situation. Uh,
1:13:45
Speaker 1: you know, hill country. I see him betting on those
1:13:47
Speaker 1: uh those leeward ridges all year. Um. Farms and swamps.
1:13:53
Speaker 1: I see see a little different though, UM Like right now,
1:13:56
Speaker 1: um going out water on farms and a scull and
1:14:00
Speaker 1: then glasses and stuff. I'm seeing a lot of them
1:14:02
Speaker 1: big box are bedding up on the open field, UM,
1:14:06
Speaker 1: in the in the grass cover, um, right out in
1:14:09
Speaker 1: the places where they normally don't. And I think it's
1:14:12
Speaker 1: to get away from the mosquitoes. I don't think they
1:14:13
Speaker 1: want to be done in that water area. But they
1:14:16
Speaker 1: seem to be a long ways away from the water
1:14:18
Speaker 1: right now on um, up in the higher stuff. But
1:14:21
Speaker 1: once the season comes, they just start moving right back
1:14:23
Speaker 1: into that stuff. And I'm hitting them right into the
1:14:25
Speaker 1: same place as I always do. But then early season
1:14:28
Speaker 1: and finding them around the acorns, you know, and vice verse.
1:14:31
Speaker 1: You starting to follow the routine of the food sources
1:14:35
Speaker 1: or whatever they're looking for for that time of the year.
1:14:37
Speaker 1: And one thing I noticed though, um that you can
1:14:42
Speaker 1: see distinct patterns. So if you hunt a wooden lot
1:14:45
Speaker 1: like like I think it was Joe was saying earlier,
1:14:47
Speaker 1: if you hunt one wood lot and learn it, well,
1:14:50
Speaker 1: you just start to see that when you've seen a
1:14:51
Speaker 1: big box in a certain area, that exact time date,
1:14:55
Speaker 1: time frame right down to the week, is when you
1:14:59
Speaker 1: should be hunting that area in the next year. It's
1:15:01
Speaker 1: not a coincidence. I don't think there's a big Bucks
1:15:03
Speaker 1: to do anything on coincidence. So there's like food patterns
1:15:05
Speaker 1: and timing patterns they moved through an area. Do you
1:15:09
Speaker 1: see that change as a buckets older at Although if
1:15:12
Speaker 1: you ever have a buck that you've seen maybe a
1:15:14
Speaker 1: couple of years in a row, do you see that? Um?
1:15:19
Speaker 1: You know, some people talk about how these home ranges
1:15:21
Speaker 1: tend to get tighter and tighter and tighter as these
1:15:23
Speaker 1: bucks get older and older. Anything anything else like that
1:15:25
Speaker 1: I can say about older box is this is that
1:15:30
Speaker 1: And this will probably strike a few people wrong, but
1:15:33
Speaker 1: it's really what I've I've observed, and I believe I
1:15:35
Speaker 1: think older bucks are easier to hunt, and the reason
1:15:38
Speaker 1: being is they get locked into those primary better areas,
1:15:42
Speaker 1: just hold up there and stay there, and they're hard
1:15:44
Speaker 1: to kick out. You kick them out to come right
1:15:45
Speaker 1: back in where those younger bucks seem to you kick
1:15:48
Speaker 1: them out, they moved to another spot. Um. But those
1:15:52
Speaker 1: older bocks seem to really find an area where hardly
1:15:55
Speaker 1: anybody goes, and they just stay there and they're harder
1:15:58
Speaker 1: to push out of that area. Um. And they'll move
1:16:02
Speaker 1: further for food, you know, they'll during the night, they'll
1:16:04
Speaker 1: go to a food source or whatever. And is that
1:16:07
Speaker 1: do you think that's just because they they found something
1:16:10
Speaker 1: that works for them and it's kept them alive for
1:16:11
Speaker 1: so long, and now they're they're setting that way like
1:16:14
Speaker 1: this has worked for me for five years? Why change
1:16:16
Speaker 1: it out? It's hard for It's hard for me to
1:16:18
Speaker 1: tell you what the books thinking. But uh, I don't
1:16:22
Speaker 1: know if it's through experiences. I don't you know, I
1:16:25
Speaker 1: don't know what causes it. But I see that in
1:16:28
Speaker 1: in not only on pressured private I see it on
1:16:33
Speaker 1: on the managed stuff I've hunted and help people with
1:16:36
Speaker 1: two let's see the same thing. Yeah, Well, what's I'm
1:16:39
Speaker 1: curious to you know, I look up to Joel and
1:16:42
Speaker 1: Andy a lot. I'm curious that they've seen that same
1:16:44
Speaker 1: type of behavior. Yeah, I I have definitely, and I like,
1:16:51
Speaker 1: you know, living where I do, I am very fortunate
1:16:55
Speaker 1: older deer and once that bockheads five six years old,
1:17:01
Speaker 1: they've become very very patternable. Now those patterns aren't easy
1:17:06
Speaker 1: by any means, but if you're you know, on your game,
1:17:09
Speaker 1: once you find them. I've I've come into run into
1:17:14
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks where they are they make their
1:17:16
Speaker 1: home and a woodlock or one small drainage and they're
1:17:21
Speaker 1: in forty eight acres. It seems like if you think
1:17:26
Speaker 1: about it now, most of your hunters are on a
1:17:29
Speaker 1: pattern of rotating through steams and they never move up
1:17:33
Speaker 1: the pattern. They'll get them. You know, they don't go mobile,
1:17:38
Speaker 1: and you've got to go mobile and go find it.
1:17:39
Speaker 1: There's pattern in order to kill. Yeah, and it's those
1:17:43
Speaker 1: areas that they find they are never hunted. You know,
1:17:47
Speaker 1: they're they're there there. You know, they speak out these
1:17:51
Speaker 1: areas because for whatever reason, people aren't you hunting it.
1:17:54
Speaker 1: You know, we've gotten the edges or whatever where they're
1:17:56
Speaker 1: actually button. Nobody ever goes. It's a really small area
1:17:59
Speaker 1: when you find that. You know, the proprobial overlook spot. Yeah,
1:18:04
Speaker 1: what about you, Andy? Yeah? Yeah, I have I have
1:18:08
Speaker 1: seen that too, Like the buck, uh that buck I
1:18:12
Speaker 1: killed last year. Um, that's a perfect explanation, um, of
1:18:18
Speaker 1: of how I killed that dear. You know, he just
1:18:20
Speaker 1: I it took me three years to get him, but um,
1:18:24
Speaker 1: it just really kept fine tuning UM and what he
1:18:29
Speaker 1: was seeing. Um, he was seen in some areas that
1:18:33
Speaker 1: were kind of quite a ways away from where I
1:18:36
Speaker 1: had killed him, and he had been shot at a
1:18:38
Speaker 1: few times. So I had some different guys around the area,
1:18:41
Speaker 1: and he really ended up just zeroing into this little
1:18:46
Speaker 1: tiny corner along this river corridor, and uh, you know,
1:18:50
Speaker 1: I mean he spent you know, as far as I
1:18:52
Speaker 1: could tell, UM. You know, he was spending the majority
1:18:54
Speaker 1: of his time there, and I was getting a couple
1:18:58
Speaker 1: of pictures UM of him, and he was always kind
1:19:01
Speaker 1: of coming and going, always coming that coming from that direction,
1:19:04
Speaker 1: going back. And uh it really because I because I
1:19:09
Speaker 1: come to know that buck really well. It became a
1:19:12
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward set up on how to get him. I
1:19:15
Speaker 1: just had the time it right, and you know, on
1:19:17
Speaker 1: a day where he was moving in daylight and that
1:19:19
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So and I would point out, even
1:19:22
Speaker 1: though they're in a small area, does not mean they're
1:19:24
Speaker 1: visible there there. They are often just about the individible,
1:19:28
Speaker 1: you know, they're not walking in front of where you
1:19:30
Speaker 1: normally put your tree. If you put a trail camera
1:19:32
Speaker 1: on a certain tree every single year and check it,
1:19:34
Speaker 1: you know regularly, they may be an area and they
1:19:37
Speaker 1: just know not to walk in front of your camera,
1:19:39
Speaker 1: you know, or you know they're not walking by your stand,
1:19:43
Speaker 1: but they might be. You know, you might be regularly
1:19:46
Speaker 1: hut in the stand and that buck might be bet
1:19:48
Speaker 1: in two hundred yards away and he knows you're there,
1:19:50
Speaker 1: He knows you're regularly there, and he just never will
1:19:52
Speaker 1: show himself just because you don't see every not there.
1:19:58
Speaker 1: You're like, you're you know, hunting nor always you know,
1:20:02
Speaker 1: the same old stand, all that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah,
1:20:06
Speaker 1: what else do you got, Joe? Any other questions top
1:20:09
Speaker 1: of mind for you? Um? One question I got for you, Dan,
1:20:14
Speaker 1: is you know, if you could give yourself a piece
1:20:17
Speaker 1: of advice, uh, you know from you know, if you
1:20:21
Speaker 1: could give yourself a piece of advice thirty years ago,
1:20:25
Speaker 1: what would it be in terms of just hunting in general,
1:20:29
Speaker 1: like maybe how to or how not to? You know what,
1:20:33
Speaker 1: what would have helped you the most? If you could
1:20:35
Speaker 1: tell yourself a thirty year younger version of yourself something. Jeez,
1:20:43
Speaker 1: I know there will be a lot. Yeah, I don't know.
1:20:48
Speaker 1: It's probably be something to do with family, uh, you know,
1:20:51
Speaker 1: and how I spend my time. I was, as we
1:20:55
Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, I was a pretty obsessed with hunting
1:20:59
Speaker 1: back then. So basically you know that now you're talking
1:21:04
Speaker 1: a little bit or yeah, I worry a little bit
1:21:08
Speaker 1: more about work, about family, about my kids. Unlike you guys,
1:21:12
Speaker 1: I had kids early. I think I think the biggest
1:21:15
Speaker 1: one for me was I put a lot of pressure
1:21:17
Speaker 1: on my middle son, who, um it was the only
1:21:20
Speaker 1: one that really liked hunting, and I think I pressured
1:21:23
Speaker 1: him right out of liking it, you know. Um. To me, Um,
1:21:29
Speaker 1: I liked the working hunting, you know, the the hyke
1:21:32
Speaker 1: back three miles in a swamp with us standing and
1:21:36
Speaker 1: set up. But I really never thought about him not
1:21:39
Speaker 1: liking that part of it. And I think I pushed
1:21:40
Speaker 1: him a little too hard. Um. You know, Uh, I
1:21:45
Speaker 1: think I would rather have made it more fun for him.
1:21:48
Speaker 1: You know. I think back to my younger days, or
1:21:52
Speaker 1: all my days for that matter. The hunts I remember
1:21:55
Speaker 1: the most aren't those giant bucks. I killed the ones
1:21:58
Speaker 1: that that that remember the most of my first book,
1:22:02
Speaker 1: the first year with the bulb, but times chasing those
1:22:06
Speaker 1: deer around just having fun where it was just trying
1:22:08
Speaker 1: to kill a deer. Um. And I think, you know,
1:22:12
Speaker 1: my son missed that a little bit. Uh. He shot
1:22:17
Speaker 1: three bucks in his life, and I think the smallest
1:22:19
Speaker 1: one scores about one ten or one point. He's never
1:22:22
Speaker 1: shot a dough um, So I think I kind of
1:22:26
Speaker 1: pushed him into missing some of that, you know. And yeah,
1:22:29
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting to hear. It's something I've been thinking
1:22:31
Speaker 1: about a lot about myself too, with um, with my
1:22:35
Speaker 1: first son being born. He's just six months old now,
1:22:37
Speaker 1: and so I'm I'm thinking a lot about how do
1:22:40
Speaker 1: you go about introducing a child to the outdoors and
1:22:43
Speaker 1: hunting and how do you you know, to your point, Dan,
1:22:45
Speaker 1: I could see myself doing the same thing. I'm so
1:22:47
Speaker 1: excited about. I'm so passionate about it, so hardcore about it,
1:22:50
Speaker 1: that how do I temper that down to to work,
1:22:53
Speaker 1: you know, to still have fun for him and to
1:22:55
Speaker 1: to not overwhelm him. Um, that seems like something could
1:22:58
Speaker 1: easily happen, right. You gotta remember he's not you, you know,
1:23:03
Speaker 1: I wanted Jamie to be me you know, I wanted
1:23:05
Speaker 1: to be like me and be who I was, and
1:23:08
Speaker 1: I don't think that's realistic. And you know, I think
1:23:11
Speaker 1: a lot of people will probably criticize me for talking
1:23:13
Speaker 1: about that, but it's you know, it's true, and I
1:23:15
Speaker 1: think it will probably help somebody else by saying yeah, no,
1:23:18
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up. And
1:23:22
Speaker 1: I thought about that as well with my kids. You know,
1:23:25
Speaker 1: how to how to bring him into nothing. But I'm
1:23:28
Speaker 1: so passionate about but I do worry about burning about Yeah,
1:23:33
Speaker 1: I kinda want to flip that a little bit. Dan. Now,
1:23:37
Speaker 1: so you being so hardcore about it, you being so
1:23:40
Speaker 1: obsessed with things maybe ended up being a detriment when
1:23:43
Speaker 1: it came to introducing hunting to your to your family
1:23:45
Speaker 1: with your son um. But now I want to talk
1:23:48
Speaker 1: about the the intangible things about you that have made
1:23:52
Speaker 1: you so successful. What if you could put your finger
1:23:55
Speaker 1: on any trait or habit or routine or some intangible
1:23:59
Speaker 1: thing but what you do or who you are, Is
1:24:01
Speaker 1: there anything you can point to on that level that
1:24:04
Speaker 1: do you think has led to your success? Has it
1:24:06
Speaker 1: just been that hard core nature or is there something else?
1:24:09
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that that this is gonna sound horrible,
1:24:12
Speaker 1: but it's true that the number one thing with me
1:24:15
Speaker 1: is is that cocky, arrogant belief that I'm gonna kill
1:24:19
Speaker 1: a bug. It's mental power. You have to believe in yourself.
1:24:23
Speaker 1: If you really believe you're gonna do it, Um, you'll
1:24:26
Speaker 1: go out and you'll do the job. You'll do the work,
1:24:28
Speaker 1: you'll do that you know, you'll push yourself that far.
1:24:31
Speaker 1: Um And I think a lot of people that fail
1:24:34
Speaker 1: it's it's because of their mind. I don't think it's
1:24:36
Speaker 1: because they necessarily know that much less. I think the
1:24:40
Speaker 1: difference between maybe um Me and Indian and Joe and
1:24:45
Speaker 1: some of the newer guys on the site isn't really
1:24:48
Speaker 1: the knowledge, because I think it's all pretty much out there.
1:24:50
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's the experience and the
1:24:53
Speaker 1: belief in ourselves. I think, uh, I go out there
1:24:57
Speaker 1: just believe in that I'm gonna do it. I think
1:24:58
Speaker 1: every time I go into wood, I believe I'm gonna
1:25:01
Speaker 1: kill that deerham after, you know, I believe that's the
1:25:04
Speaker 1: day I'm gonna kill him. And when I don't, I
1:25:06
Speaker 1: get up the next morning to go out there just
1:25:08
Speaker 1: as happy, still believe and I'm gonna kill that deer
1:25:10
Speaker 1: that day. Do you think that is just is that
1:25:14
Speaker 1: just a personality trait? Or is that actually because you've
1:25:18
Speaker 1: put in so much time and effort and work and scouting,
1:25:20
Speaker 1: you have so much experience that you realistically do have
1:25:24
Speaker 1: that confidence because of all that skills that you have already,
1:25:26
Speaker 1: or is both? Yeah, I don't think you can buy
1:25:29
Speaker 1: that experience and and I don't think you can teach
1:25:32
Speaker 1: that experience. I think it's I think it's about putting on,
1:25:35
Speaker 1: you know, pile of bucks on the wall that you
1:25:37
Speaker 1: you just start to believe that this works. You know,
1:25:41
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. And and I believe in my setups,
1:25:44
Speaker 1: I believe in my scouting, and I think it's gonna work.
1:25:47
Speaker 1: Every time I go out there, I really believe that
1:25:49
Speaker 1: this is the spot that book is going to be
1:25:50
Speaker 1: better than, and this is where he's gonna come out.
1:25:53
Speaker 1: And if I didn't have that belief, I probably wouldn't
1:25:54
Speaker 1: get up to you out there. And I think that's
1:25:56
Speaker 1: why a lot of other people fail. I think it's
1:25:58
Speaker 1: why they leave early, why they lacking confidence. And the
1:26:01
Speaker 1: only way you can get that is to go out
1:26:02
Speaker 1: there and kill some bucks and build that confidence up. Yeah. Yeah,
1:26:07
Speaker 1: a lot of times it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy too.
1:26:09
Speaker 1: You know, you kind of alluded to it. If you
1:26:11
Speaker 1: don't have confidence in your setup or your strategy when
1:26:14
Speaker 1: you're sitting out there, if you're not confident, you're maybe
1:26:16
Speaker 1: not paying as much attention, or you're not willing to
1:26:18
Speaker 1: stay till the very last minute, or you're not willing
1:26:21
Speaker 1: to get out there two hours before dark because you
1:26:23
Speaker 1: and well it's probably not gonna work out anyway. So
1:26:25
Speaker 1: lots of times just that confidence will push you or
1:26:29
Speaker 1: will allow you to do the things you know you
1:26:30
Speaker 1: need to do. Um, you know you need just that.
1:26:33
Speaker 1: I mean, you're on the stand, I'm listening, I'm watching,
1:26:37
Speaker 1: I'm hearing things in the distance. I'm looking for movement
1:26:40
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I think other people, you know, are
1:26:42
Speaker 1: sitting or daydream and things are are going on if
1:26:44
Speaker 1: they're not even noticing. And and I know that's little,
1:26:49
Speaker 1: but I think the differences between a great hunter and
1:26:51
Speaker 1: an okay hunter is little things. You know, It's you
1:26:55
Speaker 1: know a lot of those little things add up and
1:26:57
Speaker 1: that's what makes you successful. Yeah yeah, yeah, your mindset
1:27:01
Speaker 1: huge you know when you're when you're thinking about, you know,
1:27:04
Speaker 1: what might be going wrong. Um, if you just about guarantee,
1:27:08
Speaker 1: you're gonna screw it up. I've been in situations where
1:27:11
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, I have a coming in
1:27:15
Speaker 1: earlier in my career and I would there's no way
1:27:18
Speaker 1: I can screw this up. You know, I don't know
1:27:20
Speaker 1: that you have that mindset, then you're gonna screw it up.
1:27:23
Speaker 1: So got the stories to prove it once. But you
1:27:28
Speaker 1: know when it comes when you see a deer and
1:27:32
Speaker 1: you think I'm going to kill that dear, you're gonna
1:27:34
Speaker 1: kill it? Is there is there anything, Joe, that you
1:27:39
Speaker 1: could point to if I were to take that question.
1:27:41
Speaker 1: I just gave it to Dan and point that back
1:27:43
Speaker 1: to you. Do you have any any other intangible quality
1:27:46
Speaker 1: or routine or habit or mindset other than we just
1:27:49
Speaker 1: talked about that has that's helped you? Yeah? And I
1:27:53
Speaker 1: think you know, I'm kind of a student of observing
1:27:57
Speaker 1: people's personality, so I think this fits to Dan as well. Um,
1:28:02
Speaker 1: we're persistent, and that is I don't know if you
1:28:07
Speaker 1: want to say it's learned or it comes natural, that's statable,
1:28:11
Speaker 1: I guess, But you gotta be persistent, and you gotta
1:28:16
Speaker 1: you know that. That's how we can go out there
1:28:19
Speaker 1: again and again and fail and keep going and keep
1:28:22
Speaker 1: believing in it is your persistent and you don't get
1:28:25
Speaker 1: burned out in a way of you know, that negative
1:28:28
Speaker 1: self talk that really takes you down. You just you
1:28:31
Speaker 1: just you know, that's a really good point. You know,
1:28:34
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody that's been successful beast talking. That's lazy.
1:28:38
Speaker 1: You try to have a strong work ethic. I mean,
1:28:41
Speaker 1: you gotta like the work, wouldn't you when you drink? Yeah, exactly.
1:28:46
Speaker 1: You gotta love the work. That's that's that's how you
1:28:49
Speaker 1: sum it up. You gotta love the work. You gotta
1:28:51
Speaker 1: love sweating your butt off and out, you know, a
1:28:55
Speaker 1: mile and mile out, two miles and two miles out.
1:28:58
Speaker 1: You gotta want to you got to want to drag
1:29:01
Speaker 1: that buck out two miles. You know everybody, you know
1:29:04
Speaker 1: they went to somebody asked, so, I don't you know
1:29:06
Speaker 1: it isn't that too far? Well, yeah, that's probably just
1:29:08
Speaker 1: not for you. Then if you're worried about how far
1:29:11
Speaker 1: the drag is gonna be, you know, right, you know,
1:29:13
Speaker 1: you hear all those people say, well, I'd never shoot
1:29:17
Speaker 1: a buck in that spot because of how far but
1:29:19
Speaker 1: draggedd is. Or I wouldn't even hunt there because of
1:29:21
Speaker 1: that you actually for you guys, But I've never ever
1:29:25
Speaker 1: thought about how I'm gonna gear out until it's dead.
1:29:29
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly What about you, Andy, what's your
1:29:36
Speaker 1: intangible that you would add? Um? Yeah, I mean I'd
1:29:41
Speaker 1: go right along with what both Dan and Joe said.
1:29:44
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm just I'm extremely thorough like
1:29:47
Speaker 1: with my scouting. So I think I mentioned this before,
1:29:51
Speaker 1: but like you know, and I know Joe does this,
1:29:54
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm thorough enough in my scouting where it
1:30:00
Speaker 1: would almost have to be some you know, really really
1:30:04
Speaker 1: bad luck, extremely bad luck for me to not at
1:30:08
Speaker 1: least have some success. So I don't like leaving a
1:30:11
Speaker 1: lot of things to chance. Um So, and I love
1:30:15
Speaker 1: the preparation. I love the scouting even you know, even
1:30:18
Speaker 1: more than the hunt in a lot of times, a
1:30:19
Speaker 1: lot of ways. So I'm just extremely thorough with with
1:30:23
Speaker 1: all of that. Just to kind of put I think
1:30:26
Speaker 1: that just kind of puts all the odds in my favor,
1:30:28
Speaker 1: at least enough of the odds in my favor. Um.
1:30:31
Speaker 1: But then I have like this, I don't know, I
1:30:34
Speaker 1: have this like constant drive to improve, like not to
1:30:36
Speaker 1: be the best hunter. I don't care about that, but
1:30:39
Speaker 1: I have to be. I always have to be improving
1:30:43
Speaker 1: with the things that I'm passionate about. And I don't
1:30:45
Speaker 1: know why that is, but like being stagnant in anything
1:30:49
Speaker 1: that I'm really passionate about, it like it almost makes
1:30:51
Speaker 1: me ill. I get anxiety about it. It's weird, but
1:30:55
Speaker 1: I just I constantly have to be improving about the
1:30:58
Speaker 1: you know, with the things that I'm passionate about, only
1:31:00
Speaker 1: about you know, a couple of a couple of things.
1:31:03
Speaker 1: So that that's why those tend to get you know,
1:31:06
Speaker 1: the majority of my time. Yeah, yeah, that If I
1:31:11
Speaker 1: feel uncertain about something, it drives me not. I hate that.
1:31:15
Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, you know, you know,
1:31:19
Speaker 1: you guys sound like you guys know what I mean.
1:31:21
Speaker 1: You know, like if I how to hunt of property,
1:31:24
Speaker 1: it drives me not and I'm gonna keep going back,
1:31:27
Speaker 1: keep going back, being figured, trying to figure it out.
1:31:30
Speaker 1: It's funny how similar we are, the three of us.
1:31:34
Speaker 1: You hear with all the different people I talked to
1:31:37
Speaker 1: over the years through the podcast, there are definitely. These
1:31:40
Speaker 1: all these intangibles you just mentioned, they're the same things
1:31:43
Speaker 1: that come up for almost every single person. And these
1:31:45
Speaker 1: all these different people. They might hunt in totally different ways.
1:31:48
Speaker 1: Some guys don't hunt at all, like you Dan, or
1:31:50
Speaker 1: you and your Joe, but they still have these core
1:31:53
Speaker 1: kind of pieces parts of like who they are that
1:31:56
Speaker 1: seems to be consistent across all you guys and many
1:31:58
Speaker 1: of the other best hunters out there. So it's it's
1:32:00
Speaker 1: almost like if you have these core things, if you're persistent,
1:32:03
Speaker 1: if you're willing to care about the little things, if
1:32:05
Speaker 1: you're willing to to put in an unbelievable amount of
1:32:07
Speaker 1: time and effort and energy and keep that positive attitude,
1:32:11
Speaker 1: if you can do those things, you'll eventually find the
1:32:13
Speaker 1: style of hunting that works for you. Um, but those
1:32:17
Speaker 1: things are the keys that seems to be very consistent. Yeah,
1:32:21
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the reasons why I learned, and
1:32:24
Speaker 1: maybe I'll change as I gained maturity as a hunter.
1:32:27
Speaker 1: But I try to not go after one particular block
1:32:32
Speaker 1: because it just consumes me to the point I'll wake
1:32:36
Speaker 1: up at two am and stare at the ceiling for
1:32:38
Speaker 1: three hours thinking about that darned dear. You know, so
1:32:43
Speaker 1: I try not to, I really, you know, I try
1:32:46
Speaker 1: to keep that under control. So and everybody's different, you know,
1:32:50
Speaker 1: but it's just a quirk. Yeah, Joe or Andy, do
1:32:54
Speaker 1: either you guys have any other any other big ones
1:32:57
Speaker 1: we want to run by Dan? Uh No, I don't
1:33:01
Speaker 1: have any more questions for Dan, but I do want
1:33:03
Speaker 1: to say something to him. I don't know, are we
1:33:05
Speaker 1: are we ending this thing? Yeah? Yeah, I think maybe
1:33:07
Speaker 1: maybe kind of concluded here. I've got I've got kind
1:33:10
Speaker 1: of one more question, but but yeah, if you want
1:33:12
Speaker 1: to conclude with some thoughts, Andy, that'd be good. Well,
1:33:15
Speaker 1: it's more of a I guess I thank you. Um.
1:33:19
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you to Dan because
1:33:22
Speaker 1: you know, he's someone that I look up to. I
1:33:24
Speaker 1: never had I never had a mentor, you know, like
1:33:28
Speaker 1: nobody got me into hunting. I actually started archery and
1:33:33
Speaker 1: then uh I was you know, decent at archery, and
1:33:36
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, that's kind of how I started hunting. Um.
1:33:40
Speaker 1: So you know the people that were mentors, you know,
1:33:45
Speaker 1: I learned a lot with trial and there, but Dan
1:33:48
Speaker 1: was certainly like one of my mentors. Um for sure,
1:33:51
Speaker 1: I've learned a ton from him. You know, he's never
1:33:54
Speaker 1: I respect him a ton. He's never really sought out,
1:33:58
Speaker 1: notari pushed products and actually tries to steer you know,
1:34:02
Speaker 1: the guys that the Hunting Beast away from him, you know,
1:34:05
Speaker 1: and he's super generous with his time and his information
1:34:08
Speaker 1: for I mean, how many years, how many years has
1:34:11
Speaker 1: he been doing this? It's you know, it's amazing. So
1:34:14
Speaker 1: he just has like a natural, nonsense way of teaching
1:34:17
Speaker 1: and explaining things, something that I think doesn't come so
1:34:21
Speaker 1: natural to me. Like for him, he's just really easy
1:34:23
Speaker 1: to listen to and it just comes off real naturally.
1:34:27
Speaker 1: And I think he'll you know, I really think he's
1:34:30
Speaker 1: going to go down as one of the great real
1:34:32
Speaker 1: world hunters. And I know that's not a big deal
1:34:34
Speaker 1: to him, but you know, because of the the commitment
1:34:38
Speaker 1: um you know, the long longevity and the willingness to
1:34:41
Speaker 1: share and teach. So you know, I just I'm really
1:34:44
Speaker 1: thankful and like on behalf of everyone listening and the
1:34:47
Speaker 1: guys that Hunting Beasts, I just want to say thank you.
1:34:50
Speaker 1: I completely agree and your role Bottle, I will flat
1:34:54
Speaker 1: out says, you know, have taught me a lot and
1:34:57
Speaker 1: how to conduct myself. I feel like and I think
1:34:59
Speaker 1: that points on them. Well, absolutely, you know, I kind
1:35:04
Speaker 1: of look up to you guys too. I think you
1:35:05
Speaker 1: guys are some of the top guys on the site.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: I mean you to talk. I always listen, So so
1:35:13
Speaker 1: then I'll wrap it up. I'll wrap it up with
1:35:16
Speaker 1: this stand. Um, We've asked you a lot of questions.
1:35:20
Speaker 1: You get thousands of questions on the Beast, You get
1:35:22
Speaker 1: all sorts of questions from other people on all these
1:35:24
Speaker 1: different podcasts and people interviewing you for all these different things.
1:35:29
Speaker 1: Is there any question that you haven't been asked yet
1:35:31
Speaker 1: that you wish you had not that? I can think
1:35:38
Speaker 1: of people asking the craziest questions like what favorite ice
1:35:43
Speaker 1: cream is? With car I drive? And sometimes there's nothing
1:35:48
Speaker 1: that you've really wanted to talk about that no one
1:35:50
Speaker 1: ever and never ends up diving into huh No I do.
1:35:53
Speaker 1: I do feel like most podcasts, um, I mean, it's
1:35:59
Speaker 1: guys that don't Beast Hunt, so they don't ask the
1:36:01
Speaker 1: right questions and it's just the same stuff over and
1:36:03
Speaker 1: over again. I really like the format you had on
1:36:06
Speaker 1: this one, and this is really cool. It was it
1:36:08
Speaker 1: was a good idea you had Um. I think we've
1:36:11
Speaker 1: got some good stuff off there. People like this? Yeah, yeah,
1:36:14
Speaker 1: I definitely enjoyed it too. What's your favorite my favorite
1:36:18
Speaker 1: venison recipe? Um, A couple of sticks of butter and
1:36:22
Speaker 1: some chopped up uh venison in a lot of vegetables.
1:36:28
Speaker 1: It's fried. Yes, I think you got that on YouTube.
1:36:31
Speaker 1: I think I remember that. Yeah, that sounds it's not
1:36:35
Speaker 1: buttery enough. Just keep that in butter and salt. So
1:36:40
Speaker 1: dan um. I guess I'll just ask you then, what
1:36:43
Speaker 1: what do you want to send people to? What should
1:36:45
Speaker 1: people that are listening to this that, you know, if
1:36:47
Speaker 1: somehow they haven't heard heard about you or the Hunting Beast,
1:36:50
Speaker 1: What do you want them to go do next? Do
1:36:52
Speaker 1: you want them to just check out the forum? Do
1:36:53
Speaker 1: you want to send them to your DVDs? Um? Where
1:36:55
Speaker 1: can they find all that kind of stuff? You know? Um? Uh,
1:37:00
Speaker 1: my hunting forums by a great place to go. There's
1:37:03
Speaker 1: a lot of free uh tactical discussion on here. And
1:37:06
Speaker 1: that's the Hunting Beast dot com. I've got a great
1:37:10
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. I mean you got to filter through some
1:37:12
Speaker 1: stuff because I love to put clips up there of
1:37:14
Speaker 1: chasing down possums and catching them, but there's still some
1:37:17
Speaker 1: really good uh tactical deer videos in here that are
1:37:21
Speaker 1: really pretty cool to around for him. And then we
1:37:24
Speaker 1: got a Facebook page. UM, I've got some really good
1:37:27
Speaker 1: tactical DVDs. But you don't have to buy those. You
1:37:31
Speaker 1: can get that, you know, if you do the research.
1:37:33
Speaker 1: Everything's online free. UM, just come onto the site. We've
1:37:37
Speaker 1: got a site that's uh as so free. UM. We
1:37:40
Speaker 1: don't allow any bullying or anything. We get rid of
1:37:42
Speaker 1: people as soon as they start, so it's a real
1:37:44
Speaker 1: easy going where anybody can talk, anybody can ask any
1:37:48
Speaker 1: questions they want. Awesome, Well, I would just echo everything
1:37:52
Speaker 1: that Joe and Andy said. You know, over the years,
1:37:54
Speaker 1: I've I've followed your stuff for a long time now too,
1:37:56
Speaker 1: and it's been tremendously helpful and hearing from our list ers,
1:38:00
Speaker 1: they'd all agree to. I think a lot of people
1:38:02
Speaker 1: can point to you being tremendous resource. So thank you
1:38:05
Speaker 1: for all that worked in and thanks for joining us
1:38:07
Speaker 1: again here on the podcast. Appreciate it. Thanks for having
1:38:10
Speaker 1: me out and that will do it first today, So
1:38:14
Speaker 1: thank you all for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed this
1:38:16
Speaker 1: one as much as we enjoyed putting it together. To
1:38:19
Speaker 1: wrap it up, just want to remind you that if
1:38:21
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1:38:24
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1:38:26
Speaker 1: following along with what we've got going on with the
1:38:28
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1:38:32
Speaker 1: and the YouTube videos and putting out new videos every
1:38:34
Speaker 1: week right around now. Just recently we've started a series
1:38:38
Speaker 1: of videos including Andy again talking about target panic in
1:38:41
Speaker 1: some ways to to beat target panic, which is something
1:38:44
Speaker 1: we talked through on a podcast a handful of weeks
1:38:47
Speaker 1: to go with him when we were answering listener questions.
1:38:49
Speaker 1: So check that one out, and of course, most importantly,
1:38:53
Speaker 1: thank you all so much for listening. I appreciate you
1:38:56
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